[Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
I have selected hardware, controller, duplexer, antenna, and location. SERA has provided me with available frequency pairs and a blank application. What I CAN'T locate any information on is how to obtain a legal callsign for a individually owned repeater. Thanks, Dean KJ4LII
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
Dean, you have one: KJ4LII/R. Discreet repeater callsigns have been gone for decades. The repeater's callsign these days is typically the owner, another individual designated by the owner as the licensee, or in some cases a club callsign. Controllers are often programmed to appends /R to the end of the callsign, but even that is not required any more. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: redleg_8 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:16 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project I have selected hardware, controller, duplexer, antenna, and location. SERA has provided me with available frequency pairs and a blank application. What I CAN'T locate any information on is how to obtain a legal callsign for a individually owned repeater. Thanks, Dean KJ4LII
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
How about KJ4LII? Should work OK. --- On Sun, 5/3/09, redleg_8 redle...@yahoo.com wrote: From: redleg_8 redle...@yahoo.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 3, 2009, 6:16 PM I have selected hardware, controller, duplexer, antenna, and location. SERA has provided me with available frequency pairs and a blank application. What I CAN'T locate any information on is how to obtain a legal callsign for a individually owned repeater. Thanks, Dean KJ4LII
RE: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
Actually, the /R is not ALLOWED by FCC rules any longer. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Plack Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:20 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project Dean, you have one: KJ4LII/R. Discreet repeater callsigns have been gone for decades. The repeater's callsign these days is typically the owner, another individual designated by the owner as the licensee, or in some cases a club callsign. Controllers are often programmed to appends /R to the end of the callsign, but even that is not required any more. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: redleg_8 mailto:redle...@yahoo.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:16 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project I have selected hardware, controller, duplexer, antenna, and location. SERA has provided me with available frequency pairs and a blank application. What I CAN'T locate any information on is how to obtain a legal callsign for a individually owned repeater. Thanks, Dean KJ4LII image001.jpgimage002.jpg
RE: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
USC 47 part 97 (FCC amateur service) rule 97.119(c) quoted below: (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned to another country. Seems to me that /R is allowed, unless the R is not an FCC-specified indicator. I couldn't find a list of acceptable indicators in Part 97, which was surprising. Bob M. == --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Mike Besemer (WM4B) mwbese...@cox.net wrote: From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) mwbese...@cox.net Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:55 AM Actually, the /R is not ALLOWED by FCC rules any longer. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Plack Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:20 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project Dean, you have one: KJ4LII/R. Discreet repeater callsigns have been gone for decades. The repeater's callsign these days is typically the owner, another individual designated by the owner as the licensee, or in some cases a club callsign. Controllers are often programmed to appends /R to the end of the callsign, but even that is not required any more. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: redleg_8 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:16 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project I have selected hardware, controller, duplexer, antenna, and location. SERA has provided me with available frequency pairs and a blank application. What I CAN'T locate any information on is how to obtain a legal callsign for a individually owned repeater. Thanks, Dean KJ4LII
RE: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
'R' is assigned by ITU to European and Asiatic Russia. Mike WM4B On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:28 AM , Bob M. wrote: USC 47 part 97 (FCC amateur service) rule 97.119(c) quoted below: (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned to another country. Seems to me that /R is allowed, unless the R is not an FCC-specified indicator. I couldn't find a list of acceptable indicators in Part 97, which was surprising. Bob M. == --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Mike Besemer (WM4B) mwbese...@cox.net wrote: From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) mwbese...@cox.net Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:55 AM Actually, the /R is not ALLOWED by FCC rules any longer. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Plack Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:20 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project Dean, you have one: KJ4LII/R. Discreet repeater callsigns have been gone for decades. The repeater's callsign these days is typically the owner, another individual designated by the owner as the licensee, or in some cases a club callsign. Controllers are often programmed to appends /R to the end of the callsign, but even that is not required any more. 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: redleg_8 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:16 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project I have selected hardware, controller, duplexer, antenna, and location. SERA has provided me with available frequency pairs and a blank application. What I CAN'T locate any information on is how to obtain a legal callsign for a individually owned repeater. Thanks, Dean KJ4LII
[Repeater-Builder] Re: W1GAN and square duplexers aka homebrew duplexer
I built a paint can 6 meter helical coil duplexer, and also built an 8 stub heliax 6 meter duplexer. The mechanics don't seem all that complicated, but getting the rejection and insertion loss you want can take a lot of messing with it. The heliax was difficult to find. Traded a large tray of donuts to a local electrical contractor for 6 pieces of 8 foot long scrap heliax. I found a partial tray of 3-30 pf trimmer caps at a hamfest. The paint cans didn't hold up to temp changes at all.- Drift all over the place like others said. I cut the heliax cable, drilled and installed BNC connectors, selected stubs resonant at the higher frequency then used ceramic piston trimmers to couple the coax to the stub, then a duplicate trimmer to tune stub down to desired freq. I have built a 1/4 wave heliax stub filter using same technique with a 1/4 wave phase line to a T connector to make a band pass filter for 2 meter APRS. I suspect heliax will make a more stable and smaller duplexer then oil cans. Happy tinkering! Ed N3SDO
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: Actually, the /R is not ALLOWED by FCC rules any longer. This is interesting, can you show us where in the rules this is?
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
§97.119 Station identification. (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned to another country. /R is a self-assigned indicator and 'R' is assigned by ITU to Russia. Mike WM4B P.S. There are a LOT of repeaters out there still signing /R. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:52 AM , Mike Pugh wrote: Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: Actually, the /R is not ALLOWED by FCC rules any longer. This is interesting, can you show us where in the rules this is? http://groups.yahoo.com/start;_ylc=X3oDMTJub25qY3N2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzMEZ3JwSWQDMTA0MTY4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARzZWMDbmNtb2QEc2xrA2dyb3VwczIEc3RpbWUDMTI0MTQ0MTE4Mw--
[Repeater-Builder] Re: desense question
The amp is a UHF PA off a mobile rig, and I needed about 50 feet of RG58U to attenuate the signal from the repeater into the amp module. Not good, probably better to bypass (not use) the 15 watt amplifier and drive the external amp direct from the exciter. Not a thing wrong with using a length of coax as an attenuator if it's done right. Have used this technique often when a little attenuation is needed. Al, K9SI
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: desense question
I think the issue was that it's RG-58. Mike WM4B On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:15 AM , Al Wolfe wrote: The amp is a UHF PA off a mobile rig, and I needed about 50 feet of RG58U to attenuate the signal from the repeater into the amp module. Not good, probably better to bypass (not use) the 15 watt amplifier and drive the external amp direct from the exciter. Not a thing wrong with using a length of coax as an attenuator if it's done right. Have used this technique often when a little attenuation is needed. Al, K9SI http://groups.yahoo.com/start;_ylc=X3oDMTJuYW12NWlxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzMEZ3JwSWQDMTA0MTY4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARzZWMDbmNtb2QEc2xrA2dyb3VwczIEc3RpbWUDMTI0MTQ0NTUxNQ--
[Repeater-Builder] /R was: 440 Repeater Project
The Russian Federation is a member of CEPT (European Conference of Postal and Telecommunications Administrations) which has reciprocal operating authority with the US. The CEPT document outlining operating (http://www.erodocdb.dk/docs/doc98/official/pdf/TR6101.PDF) shows that the call sign prefixes to be used when visiting Russia are: Russian Federation: R Moscow Other Regions: R3A St. Petersburg: R1A The document also states: “When transmitting in the visited country the licence holder must use his national call sign preceded by the call sign prefix of the visited country as indicated in Appendices II and IV. The call sign prefix and the national call sign must be separated by the character “/” (telegraphy) or the word “stroke” (telephony).” This manner of identification (location/home call sign)is also specified in the FCC’s rules: 97.119(g) When the station is transmitting under the authority of §97.107 of this part, an indicator consisting of the appropriate letter-numeral designating the station location must be included before the call sign that was issued to the station by the country granting the license. For an amateur service license granted by the Government of Canada, however, the indicator must be included after the call sign. At least once during each intercommunication, the identification announcement must include the geographical location as nearly as possible by city and state, commonwealth or possession (Note: 97.107 = Reciprocal operating authority.) So the net result of this is that if I went to Russia, I would ID as R/K4AC, R3A/K4AC, OR R1A/K4AC- NOT as K4AC/R. Likewise, the only possible suffixes that would conflict with the FCC rules are: KT For a control operator who has requested a license modification from Novice to Technician Class AG For a control operator who has requested a license modification from Novice, Technician or Technician Plus Class to General Class AE For a control operator who has requested a license modification from Novice, Technician, Technician Plus, General, or Advanced Class operator to Amateur Extra Class KP or KH and a number For a Canadian amateur in the US W and a number For a Canadian amateur in the US Since there are no conflicts with an “R” in the suffix, it would be perfectly legal to identify a repeater in the US as K4AC/R. On a side note, it is interesting how many Canadians don’t realize that they should be identifying with the W# after their call instead of before it. Doug K4AC
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
Ask yourself these questions: Is the indicator Self-Assigned? (Well, if the FCC didn't give it to you, it MUST be Self-Assigned.) Is the prefix assigned to another country? If you answer yes to both these questions, the it IS specifically stated in the rules. We wouldn't be having this discussion if R were assigned to a country which neighbors the US. The use of /R is being rationalized as okay because Russia is so distant that the use of /R couldn't be confused. And, while that may be a semi-valid argument (anybody ever work Russia on 10 meters?), it's still not right. The horse is dead. Long live the horse. 73, Mike WM4B On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 10:17 AM , Bob M. wrote: I would agree that R as a suffix could be used if an amateur was operating in that country, much the same way a Russian ham would append something like /W1 if he/she was operating in the United States 1st callsign district. Do Russian callsigns also have a numerical district, like they do in the US? If so, wouldn't you need /R1 if you were operating there? If yes, that would make plain old /R legitimate for repeaters. However, it's probably not going to cause any confusion if a US amateur repeater puts /R on the station ID. I'm sure there are plenty of repeaters that have had issues with the FCC and if they had a problem with all of us using /R they would have put it specifically in the rules or given us a suffix they WANT us to use, if anything. Maybe we should all change to /RPT, or is that some other country's prefix too? Bob M. == --- On Mon, 5/4/09, mwbese...@cox. net mailto:mwbese...@cox.net mwbese...@cox. net mailto:mwbese...@cox.net wrote: From: mwbese...@cox. net mailto:mwbese...@cox.net mwbese...@cox. net mailto:mwbese...@cox.net Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 8:54 AM §97.119 Station identification. (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned to another country. /R is a self-assigned indicator and 'R' is assigned by ITU to Russia. Mike WM4B P.S. There are a LOT of repeaters out there still signing /R. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:52 AM , Mike Pugh wrote: Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: Actually, the /R is not ALLOWED by FCC rules any longer. This is interesting, can you show us where in the rules this is? mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14h11l2fg/M=493064.12662709.13497510.8674578/D=groups/S=1705063108:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1241452928/L=/B=_q3MGkPDhEQ-/J=1241445728664909/K=XtNUuAgEZewezUo63Y5gPg/A=5689702/R=0/SIG=11eaa5dke/*http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mompowergroup/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
At 5/4/2009 05:54, you wrote: §97.119 Station identification. (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned to another country. /R is a self-assigned indicator and 'R' is assigned by ITU to Russia. Not sure if a simple R would be a sufficient prefix. When I operate in Canada I sign NO6B/VE3 (in Ontario), not NO6B/VE even though Canada has all of the VE prefixes IIRC. Americans in Baja ID /XE2, not /XE. At any rate, I doubt anyone thinks that my repeater that IDs with /R is located in Russia. Personally I wish the FCC never did away with that rule, as IMO it helps to ID the type of service that transmitter is in: repeater, auxiliary (/A), or other (no indicator). So I continue to encourage its use on all repeaters auxiliary stations except in cases when a special club callsign has been obtained specifically for the repeater/aux. station, i.e. KE6TZF: Sunset Ridge Repeater Group, WR6JPL: JPL ARC. Bob NO6B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
Seems pretty black-and-white to me (unlike a lot of things in Part 97). Personally, I'm happy to do away with it. It shortens the ID a bit and eliminates stating the obvious. ID'ing with /R is kinda like like saying 'This is WM4B for ID' (as opposed to... ?). I was not aware that some controllers hard-programmed the /R onto the ID. I'd be curious to know specific examples of these controllers, just for my own edification. 73, Mike WM4B On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 9:11 AM , Mike Pugh wrote: mwbese...@cox. net mailto:mwbese...@cox.net wrote: 'R' is assigned by ITU to European and Asiatic Russia. Mike WM4B On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:28 AM , Bob M. wrote: USC 47 part 97 (FCC amateur service) rule 97.119(c) quoted below: (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned to another country. Seems to me that /R is allowed, unless the R is not an FCC-specified indicator. I couldn't find a list of acceptable indicators in Part 97, which was surprising. Bob M. == --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Mike Besemer (WM4B) mwbese...@cox. net mailto:mwbese...@cox.net wrote: From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) mwbese...@cox. net mailto:mwbese...@cox.net Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:55 AM Actually, the /R is not ALLOWED by FCC rules any longer. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Paul Plack Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:20 AM To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project Dean, you have one: KJ4LII/R. Discreet repeater callsigns have been gone for decades. The repeater's callsign these days is typically the owner, another individual designated by the owner as the licensee, or in some cases a club callsign. Controllers are often programmed to appends /R to the end of the callsign, but even that is not required any more. I can see both sides of this, however, I think that I'll just keep on using the /R till I get a ticket for it. I can't imagine that any FCC official that hears my repeaters in Ky could imagine that the signal was coming from Russia.. Mike mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14irhupe9/M=493064.12016300.12445692.11323196/D=groups/S=1705063108:NC/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1241449663/L=/B=ShJmGkPDhFI-/J=1241442463263644/K=HAUJYuqKilw3TIBwUx9ptA/A=5597441/R=0/SIG=11kad247r/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/specialkgroup/
RE: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
But /R is a suffix, not a prefix. So isnt allowed? John -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mwbese...@cox.net Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 8:54 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project §97.119 Station identification. (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned to another country. /R is a self-assigned indicator and 'R' is assigned by ITU to Russia. Mike WM4B P.S. There are a LOT of repeaters out there still signing /R. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:52 AM , Mike Pugh wrote: Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: Actually, the /R is not ALLOWED by FCC rules any longer. This is interesting, can you show us where in the rules this is? http://groups.yahoo.com/start;_ylc=X3oDMTJub25qY3N2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9w AzMEZ3JwSWQDMTA0MTY4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARzZWMDbmNtb2QEc2xrA2dyb3Vw czIEc3RpbWUDMTI0MTQ0MTE4Mw-- __ NOD32 4051 (20090504) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
At 09:37 AM 5/4/2009, you wrote: Ask yourself these questions: Ask yourself this *ONE* question. Is /R the way Russian stations identify themselves? No? Then it is NOT an ASSIGNED identifier, nor is it an attempt to confuse or hide identity. It is, therefore, PERFECTLY LEGAL and APROPRIATE. PERIOD. Larry Wagoner - N5WLW VP - PRCARC PIC - MS SECT ARRL
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
mwbese...@cox.net wrote: 'R' is assigned by ITU to European and Asiatic Russia. Mike WM4B On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:28 AM , Bob M. wrote: USC 47 part 97 (FCC amateur service) rule 97.119(c) quoted below: (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned to another country. Seems to me that /R is allowed, unless the R is not an FCC-specified indicator. I couldn't find a list of acceptable indicators in Part 97, which was surprising. Bob M. == --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Mike Besemer (WM4B) mwbese...@cox.net wrote: From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) mwbese...@cox.net Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 5:55 AM Actually, the /R is not ALLOWED by FCC rules any longer. Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Plack Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:20 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project Dean, you have one: KJ4LII/R. Discreet repeater callsigns have been gone for decades. The repeater's callsign these days is typically the owner, another individual designated by the owner as the licensee, or in some cases a club callsign. Controllers are often programmed to appends /R to the end of the callsign, but even that is not required any more. I can see both sides of this, however, I think that I'll just keep on using the /R till I get a ticket for it. I can't imagine that any FCC official that hears my repeaters in Ky could imagine that the signal was coming from Russia.. Mike
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Piston Cap Source (a good deal)
I've got a few myself and they ARE really that good. Easy to adjust, very stable, solid as a rock. I'm using one as the gimmick capacitor in a Heliax duplexer. Other than putting my hand near it, nothing seems to make it change capacitance. The only odd thing about them is their mounting style. They just solder into holes in the circuit board. There's no mechanical (threaded-hole) mounting, but you could solder one end to a metal plate if required. Bob M. == --- On Mon, 5/4/09, skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com wrote: From: skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Piston Cap Source (a good deal) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 11:18 AM Piston Cap Source (a good deal) Now that I've got mine... I'll happily share a source of low cost Piston Capacitors with the group. Hamtronics has a clearance page at: http://www.hamtronics.com/sale.htm A49 Piston Trimmer Capacitor. 1-11 pF trimmer suitable for adjusting oscillator freq or general vhf/uhf tuned circuits. Very stable ceramic material. .5/$2 (or 50$10) These are great caps for the price, should you want to repair or build something new. The price is right... cheers, skipp
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Converting a TKR-750/850 for Amateur Usage
Thanks all for your inputs! Quick question: the programming software will go down to the amateur band no problem? It won't lock you out? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Ken Arck ah...@... wrote: At 01:40 PM 4/16/2009, ptt_pupil wrote: Can anyone tell me how you can convert a TKR-750/850 U.S. model to be used for amateur radio frequency? I see that people have. There is a European model that includes amatuer bands, but can't get it here in the U.S. Thanks! ---No conversion necessary. They tune down no problems at all. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Converting a TKR-750/850 for Amateur Usage
I have never had a problem getting either into the ham bands. - Original Message - From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon May 04 12:16:27 2009 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Converting a TKR-750/850 for Amateur Usage Thanks all for your inputs! Quick question: the programming software will go down to the amateur band no problem? It won't lock you out? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com , Ken Arck ah...@... wrote: At 01:40 PM 4/16/2009, ptt_pupil wrote: Can anyone tell me how you can convert a TKR-750/850 U.S. model to be used for amateur radio frequency? I see that people have. There is a European model that includes amatuer bands, but can't get it here in the U.S. Thanks! ---No conversion necessary. They tune down no problems at all. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net http://www.irlp.net We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!
[Repeater-Builder] Repeater related items for sale
I have a few repeater related items FS: ARR (Advanced Receiver Research) SP220VDG 220MHz GaAs Fet switchable preamp. In like new condition with paperwork. One minor scratch on the rear, otherwise appears new. Mounting screw holes and pwr connections look like they were never used. Tested on my tracking generator, and working to specs. $85 shipped USPS. Computer Automation Technology (CAT) CAT-200B repeater controller. In as-new condition. Includes manual and connectors. I bought this new for a repeater project, and wound up using another controller instead. $160 shipped USPS, $165 shipped ground. Arcom RC-210 repeater controllers, in rack mount case, and newer style audio delay board. Brand new, never used. Not a scratch on them. Includes RCP programming software. I bought a bunch of these for a major project, and have a few left. There are actually better than as-new, as I added the 4-40 threaded hardware to the DB9s (which Arcom doesn't supply), and the DTMF LEDs were replaced with 3 amber LEDS instead of the red, green, and yellow ones like those used for the COS, PL, and PTT inicators. The amber LEDs are the exact same manufacturer and series as the green, red, and yellow ones, sourced from Arcom's supplier. $415 shipped ground. MSR2000 VHF 100w repeater. C73GSB station, currently on 150Mhz range. Will tune to ham band with no trouble. $300 as is, or $450 turn key on your frequency and PL, wired for a repeater controller of your choice. Or I and work a package deal with one of the above controllers. These stations make excellent repeaters, better than anything you can buy new. I have sold a number of these turn-key to hams, and can provide references. Shipping extra. Motorola Micor 375W repeater. Currently on 147.3xx. Has Spectra-Tac receiver chassis, and non-unified exciter chassis (12w intermediate PA driving the big 8560 tube PA). Tubes are making full power. $500, pick-up only in central NJ. Will also include a complete spare station, minus tubes, for free if you can fit it in your truck. Scom 5K repeater controller. Version 2.0, and Scom DADM audio delay board, in factory LED rack mount case. In excellent condition, with original manual (looks untouched). No mods, as original. $200 shipped with DADM. $150 shipped without DADM module. NHRC DAD digital audio delay module. As new condition. $70 shipped. Bird CC-1 meter leather carrying cases for model 43 or 4304A. These are the original Bird cases which are no longer manufactured. In good condition. A few overall scuffs from use, but otherwise in fine shape. $60 each shipped. Bird 43 wattmeters. Older style with leather strap handle and metal name/sn plate on top. Cases have normal dings or scratches from years of use, but not abused. Meter movements in perfect shape. N female QC connectors. $160 each shipped. Bird 43 wattmeter. Newer stle plastic strap handle and sticker-type model and sn lable. In excellent conditon (one or two small marks on case. N female QC connectors. $235 shipped. All items fully tested and guaranteed as stated. Eric KE2D 609-713-3742
[Repeater-Builder] Wanted: GE 19B226748G1 BANDPASS BOARD
Hi all, I am in need of a 19D423249G1 board. I found out this is needed to make the PLL exciter work on the lower end of the two meter band in the 145 range. This is the Band-Pass board that plugs in the the GE Master II exciter. I do NOT want the G2 board. My mistake. 73s Steve W4SEF
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
I have a resolution to this issue. I am applying for a club callsign to use on the repeater. There are several of us that will use it and we just have to go thru the gyrations of setting up a formal club structure. Actually, the callsign will be used on one fixed and one portable linked repeater. I'll use an identifier on the mobile unit when it's in use. Thanks for the assistance. 73, Dean KJ4LII From: mwbese...@cox.net mwbese...@cox.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 8:54:15 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project §97.119 Station identification. (c) One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules or with any prefix assigned to another country. /R is a self-assigned indicator and 'R' is assigned by ITU to Russia. Mike WM4B P.S. There are a LOT of repeaters out there still signing /R. On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:52 AM , Mike Pugh wrote: Mike Besemer (WM4B) wrote: Actually, the /R is not ALLOWED by FCC rules any longer. This is interesting, can you show us where in the rules this is?
[Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
Nightmare f-ing Hams! story from this weekend: I went to a site this weekend, and the new Amateur repeater in the new building the hams are moving into had 200' of 1/2 Andrews hardline on it that I don't even know how it was operating... it looked like someone had taken a ballpeen hammer to it at 5' lengths all the way across the ice bridge and up the tower. The hardline run was done INSIDE a tower leg instead of properly up the outside cable tray/unistrut with no hangers, and no grounding kits on the run of 1/2 anywhere. There was a ham grade Comet triplexer bolted to the back of an open rack, with two ports terminated, and one open, and three mobiles and a mobile duplexer for the repeater sitting on a shelf, everything connected with RG-58, plugged into the triplexer so the link radio could be connected to the same feedline/antenna, and then 9913 for the jumper from the diplexer to the polyphaser panel (amazingly, they used a polyphaser!)... then a dual-band ham-grade antenna (also looked like a Comet - we didn't send the tower climbers up there) at the very tippy top of the tower that was already looking like it was loose in the sites regular 50+ MPH winds. The power supply looked like maybe it was a Micor supply, but more likely was homebrew to run someone's gear at home, years ago. The whole repeater cabinet was plugged into the tool power outlet on the wall, and not to the overhead 15A twist locks at the site that are supposed to be equipment power. No grounding cable was attached to the cabinet or to the overhead halo system. Meanwhile the two groups that went up were installing brand new 7/8 hardline and connectors on the new tower, putting that hardline into the cable trays, new polyphasers, RG-400 or better jumpers from the panel to their enclosed cabinets, new Sinclair antennas, grounding kits on all hardline, etc. We also ripped down all the abandoned 7/8 and chunks in the hangars, took all the clipped and abandoned wire ties on the tower and ice bridge off and threw them away, removed extra hangars and stored them in the building, removed three runs of #8 bare copper wire strung down the ice bridge as a ground from the tower to the building, which would just be an intermod/noise-maker, reattached the tower ground the both the ice-bridge and the ground rod temporarily, (were going to do a cadweld, but it was raining and no one had a grinder to clean the surfaces properly), picked up all site trash, etc. There are GOOD ham radio tenants, and bad ones... that's for sure. If it were up to me, I'd have made ONE phone call to this guy saying his repeater was no longer welcome at the site, disconnected it, changed the door code, and set that mobiles in a cabinet hunk of junk out in rain under a tarp for later pickup, along with stripping his virtually destroyed 1/2 hardline and noisemaker antenna from the tower while we had the crew up there. RG-58 for duplexer connections?! WTF??? Politically, I have to be a little careful here... I actually know the ham that put this junk up, and if he reads this, I hope he's not too offended -- but it's a nightmare waiting to happen for the rest of us on the site. It's so far from commercial grade it just shouldn't be up there. A backyard is a nice place for a repeater like that. The above CRAP jobs are often why hams aren't welcome at commercial sites. I hate it when hams do this. Had to vent. There were some newbies along on the trip, and I think they got the point when I stated, If you ever install anything that looks this HamSexy at a commercial radio site, and don't keep the kiddie-show to your back-yard repeater, I'm personally coming to your house to kick your ass. Nate WY0X -- Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
This is one of those willful fabrications of gray areas that clutter rule discussions. This is why nobody discusses remote bases in polite company anymore. With all due respect, Larry, your ONE QUESTION is a test unrelated to what the rule says. The rule itself says it applies to the additional self-assigned identifier separated by the /, so the question is the conflict posed by R, not /R. If the / was included in the conflict test, there would be no reason for the rule, since no country is allocated / or other non-alphanumerics as part of its national call letter pool. Nothing in the rule limits conflict to the amateur service. If another country has the authorization under international treaty to give broadcasters, ships at sea, or long-range baby monitors a callsign beginning with (or consisting of) R, we can't legally use it following a /. Sure, it's a one-size-fits-all rule, but what's new? Mike, thanks for pointing this out. Good amateur practice would suggest the shortest legal repeater ID regardless, to reduce the time you're occupying the spectrum. If the /R is not required, why would anyone use it? To distinguish the repeater from all the other Morse chatter you hear on 2m FM? Do you hold the contract to supply the 1N34 diodes used in Hamtronics matrix boards? Then, why? (BTW, that's a rhetorical question. My last repeater's polite ID signed /R, even though I knew it wasn't required. If I'm being honest, after all the hassle of getting a pair, negotiating a site and building the thing, it brought me great pleasure to hear my callsign followed by Morse for repeater. If there's any other reason for hanging onto /R I'd love to hear it.) If you're really willing to fight to give up the R, what about other separators? If you leave a between-word space before the R, or even before a /R, have you made it part of your callsign? Lots of repeater IDs include a city, PL frequency, or other information in their IDs, separated by a space from the callsign itself. We may have something here! All that said, Larry, I don't think you're in danger of an imminent enforcement action. The FCC doesn't have time to chase violations that draw no complaints. In fact, in the current political environment, if the Russians made a fuss, the feds would probably enjoy it. If the FCC starts cracking down on 10-codes used on 2m, maybe worry then. Maybe, since they're all unassigned, we could use one of the non-alphanumeric Morse characters to mean repeater. . - . . . might be appropriate on machines inhabited by users who make you wait forever to join the morning commute roundtable. . . - - . . might be appropriate for repeaters which are never used, but sit there taking up a pair. - - - . . . if the repeater licensee is a real butt-head, etc. RIP, Horse. If anyone finds an example of when this rule has been enforced, that would be interesting! Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm running late for my spark-gap sked with a guy from Guam. We agreed to meet on 20, 30 and 40 meters at the same time. Yeah, I know what the rule says, but I think I've concocted a plausible loophole, and I really hate change... 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Larry Wagoner To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project Ask yourself this *ONE* question. Is /R the way Russian stations identify themselves? No? Then it is NOT an ASSIGNED identifier, nor is it an attempt to confuse or hide identity. .
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
I know a radio shop that does installs like that. It's been in business for over 30 years. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality Nightmare f-ing Hams! story from this weekend: I went to a site this weekend, and the new Amateur repeater in the new building the hams are moving into had 200' of 1/2 Andrews hardline on it that I don't even know how it was operating... it looked like someone had taken a ballpeen hammer to it at 5' lengths all the way across the ice bridge and up the tower. The hardline run was done INSIDE a tower leg instead of properly up the outside cable tray/unistrut with no hangers, and no grounding kits on the run of 1/2 anywhere. SNIP
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
I'm in conversation with my O-O Coordinator now. He's digging his archives for the 'official read' from the FCC, but seems to recall it being described as being too gray to enforce, as written. I stand by my initial assessment as the the legality of using /R, but also understand that it's virtually unenforceable. It's a shame when U.S. Code is written in terms that are subject to interpretation. Mike WM4B On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:16 PM , Paul Plack wrote: This is one of those willful fabrications of gray areas that clutter rule discussions. This is why nobody discusses remote bases in polite company anymore. With all due respect, Larry, your ONE QUESTION is a test unrelated to what the rule says. The rule itself says it applies to the additional self-assigned identifier separated by the /, so the question is the conflict posed by R, not /R. If the / was included in the conflict test, there would be no reason for the rule, since no country is allocated / or other non-alphanumerics as part of its national call letter pool. Nothing in the rule limits conflict to the amateur service. If another country has the authorization under international treaty to give broadcasters, ships at sea, or long-range baby monitors a callsign beginning with (or consisting of) R, we can't legally use it following a /. Sure, it's a one-size-fits-all rule, but what's new? Mike, thanks for pointing this out. Good amateur practice would suggest the shortest legal repeater ID regardless, to reduce the time you're occupying the spectrum. If the /R is not required, why would anyone use it? To distinguish the repeater from all the other Morse chatter you hear on 2m FM? Do you hold the contract to supply the 1N34 diodes used in Hamtronics matrix boards? Then, why? (BTW, that's a rhetorical question. My last repeater's polite ID signed /R, even though I knew it wasn't required. If I'm being honest, after all the hassle of getting a pair, negotiating a site and building the thing, it brought me great pleasure to hear my callsign followed by Morse for repeater. If there's any other reason for hanging onto /R I'd love to hear it.) If you're really willing to fight to give up the R, what about other separators? If you leave a between-word space before the R, or even before a /R, have you made it part of your callsign? Lots of repeater IDs include a city, PL frequency, or other information in their IDs, separated by a space from the callsign itself. We may have something here! All that said, Larry, I don't think you're in danger of an imminent enforcement action. The FCC doesn't have time to chase violations that draw no complaints. In fact, in the current political environment, if the Russians made a fuss, the feds would probably enjoy it. If the FCC starts cracking down on 10-codes used on 2m, maybe worry then. Maybe, since they're all unassigned, we could use one of the non-alphanumeric Morse characters to mean repeater. . - . . . might be appropriate on machines inhabited by users who make you wait forever to join the morning commute roundtable. . . - - . . might be appropriate for repeaters which are never used, but sit there taking up a pair. - - - . . . if the repeater licensee is a real butt-head, etc. RIP, Horse. If anyone finds an example of when this rule has been enforced, that would be interesting! Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm running late for my spark-gap sked with a guy from Guam. We agreed to meet on 20, 30 and 40 meters at the same time. Yeah, I know what the rule says, but I think I've concocted a plausible loophole, and I really hate change... 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Larry Wagoner To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project Ask yourself this *ONE* question. Is /R the way Russian stations identify themselves? No? Then it is NOT an ASSIGNED identifier, nor is it an attempt to confuse or hide identity. .
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
Got one like that here too. It ain't just the hams that are amateurs! Mike WM4B On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:22 PM , Chuck Kelsey wrote: I know a radio shop that does installs like that. It's been in business for over 30 years. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality Nightmare f-ing Hams! story from this weekend: I went to a site this weekend, and the new Amateur repeater in the new building the hams are moving into had 200' of 1/2 Andrews hardline on it that I don't even know how it was operating... it looked like someone had taken a ballpeen hammer to it at 5' lengths all the way across the ice bridge and up the tower. The hardline run was done INSIDE a tower leg instead of properly up the outside cable tray/unistrut with no hangers, and no grounding kits on the run of 1/2 anywhere. SNIP
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
Got one here too! Honestly you should see some of the professionally installed repeaters with mobile radios screwed to plywood, wires dangling everywhere, exposed electrical connections, repeater buildings with rusty metal sheets for siding flapping in the wind, bent leaning towers (installed that way), RG-58 jumpers, etc. etc. And then they complain about having intermod and can't figure out why!? It really annoys me to think they get paid to put up such crap. Paul N1BUG mwbese...@cox.net wrote: Got one like that here too. It ain't just the hams that are amateurs! Mike WM4B On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 3:22 PM , Chuck Kelsey wrote: I know a radio shop that does installs like that. It's been in business for over 30 years. Chuck WB2EDV
[Repeater-Builder] Kendecom repeater....
I am trying to hook up a remote base and a temp sensor to a Kendecom Mark 4, anyone that can be of help will be greatly appreceated. I need all the info and help I can get. Thanks, Grady W4GLE..
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kendecom repeater....
At 12:17 PM 05/04/09, you wrote: I am trying to hook up a remote base and a temp sensor to a Kendecom Mark 4, anyone that can be of help will be greatly appreceated. I need all the info and help I can get. Thanks, Grady W4GLE.. What controller is in the Kendecomm now? The stock one didn't do much, and every one I've seen has used an outside external controller. Remote base and analog inputs (and you'd use one of those to read temperature) are controller features. Mike WA6ILQ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
On Mon, 4 May 2009, Nate Duehr wrote: There are GOOD ham radio tenants, and bad ones... that's for sure. If it were up to me, I'd have made ONE phone call to this guy saying his repeater was no longer welcome at the site, disconnected it, changed the door code, and set that mobiles in a cabinet hunk of Point of order: http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=1t=69658hilit That's a cutting-edge Motorola TRBO. And yes, it's a pair of mobiles in a 4U rack box. http://www.radioexpressinc.com/repeaters.htm Motorola GR500, GR1225, CDR500, CDR700 -- all of them are: a pair of mobiles in a box. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
As long as the presentation is good (i.e. good/proper cabling, neatly organized, etc) it really shouldn't matter whether the lessee is using mobiles (like I do in my CDR500 [two CDM750s and duplexers in a steel box] or a full-out purpose-built repeater system (like an MTR2000, Quantar or whatnot). Mobiles when properly ventilated and designed can be used for 100% transmit duty cycle. This is well demonstrated with the previously mentioned MotoTRBO system. I'd be more aghast at the shoddy cabling (again, presentation, RF leakage, etc) and antenna mountings. *That* can directly affect other tenants at the site more so than having 'mobiles in a cabinet'. My 2 cents, for what it's worth... -Brian / KF4ZWZ On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Kris Kirby k...@catonic.us wrote: On Mon, 4 May 2009, Nate Duehr wrote: There are GOOD ham radio tenants, and bad ones... that's for sure. If it were up to me, I'd have made ONE phone call to this guy saying his repeater was no longer welcome at the site, disconnected it, changed the door code, and set that mobiles in a cabinet hunk of Point of order: http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=1t=69658hilit That's a cutting-edge Motorola TRBO. And yes, it's a pair of mobiles in a 4U rack box. http://www.radioexpressinc.com/repeaters.htm Motorola GR500, GR1225, CDR500, CDR700 -- all of them are: a pair of mobiles in a box. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
Interesting read , In this part of the world the regulation regarding cable installs is very stringent and as one licensed to do such things is a constant source of amusement for me , just because you have an amateur license does not mean you have to install like one :) I know of commercial installers getting fined these days who complain we have been doing it this way for years To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: wb2...@roadrunner.com Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:16:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality I know a radio shop that does installs like that. It's been in business for over 30 years. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr To: Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality Nightmare f-ing Hams! story from this weekend: I went to a site this weekend, and the new Amateur repeater in the new building the hams are moving into had 200' of 1/2 Andrews hardline on it that I don't even know how it was operating... it looked like someone had taken a ballpeen hammer to it at 5' lengths all the way across the ice bridge and up the tower. The hardline run was done INSIDE a tower leg instead of properly up the outside cable tray/unistrut with no hangers, and no grounding kits on the run of 1/2 anywhere. SNIP _ Looking to move somewhere new this winter? Let ninemsn property help http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline_t=774152450_r=Domain_tagline_m=EXT
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: desense question
At 06:07 AM 05/04/09, you wrote: The amp is a UHF PA off a mobile rig, and I needed about 50 feet of RG58U to attenuate the signal from the repeater into the amp module. Not good, probably better to bypass (not use) the 15 watt amplifier and drive the external amp direct from the exciter. Not a thing wrong with using a length of coax as an attenuator if it's done right. Have used this technique often when a little attenuation is needed. Al, K9SI Somewhere I've got a couple of photos of attenuators made from a paint can with coil of coax inside it. A pair of hooded SO239s on the lid and you're done. One is of a 5 gallon paint can, the other of a 1 gallon. Mike
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: desense question
Mike, I assume the purpose of the paint can is to act as a Faraday cage? Is it attached to the common-point ground system or left freestanding? 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:19 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: desense question At 06:07 AM 05/04/09, you wrote: The amp is a UHF PA off a mobile rig, and I needed about 50 feet of RG58U to attenuate the signal from the repeater into the amp module. Not good, probably better to bypass (not use) the 15 watt amplifier and drive the external amp direct from the exciter. Not a thing wrong with using a length of coax as an attenuator if it's done right. Have used this technique often when a little attenuation is needed. Al, K9SI Somewhere I've got a couple of photos of attenuators made from a paint can with coil of coax inside it. A pair of hooded SO239s on the lid and you're done. One is of a 5 gallon paint can, the other of a 1 gallon. Mike image001.jpgimage002.jpg
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
On Mon, 4 May 2009 14:57:34 -0500 (CDT), Kris Kirby k...@catonic.us said: On Mon, 4 May 2009, Nate Duehr wrote: There are GOOD ham radio tenants, and bad ones... that's for sure. If it were up to me, I'd have made ONE phone call to this guy saying his repeater was no longer welcome at the site, disconnected it, changed the door code, and set that mobiles in a cabinet hunk of Point of order: http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=1t=69658hilit That's a cutting-edge Motorola TRBO. And yes, it's a pair of mobiles in a 4U rack box. http://www.radioexpressinc.com/repeaters.htm Motorola GR500, GR1225, CDR500, CDR700 -- all of them are: a pair of mobiles in a box. So you're saying if Motorola engineers jumped off a bridge, you'd jump too? Not sure what your point is, unless you're trying to prove Moto's quality on the low-end has deteriorated? They're not exactly a shining star of engineering skill these days. They're just copying the crowd. And the crowd wants cheap crap. Nate WY0X -- Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com
[Repeater-Builder] WANTED: db403X cans
Does anyone have some cans from a db4030 or db4032 duplxer ? Just need a couple cans and harness Thanks! Chris Kb0wlf
[Repeater-Builder] MVP Power Supply help
I have a MVP Power Supply on a small repeater and the voltage is 17 V on receive. VR1 is bad and not turning on the transistor to regulate it in receive. The manual does not tell me a usable part number except from GE. Can anyone give me the zener's voltage value or a suitable replacement? Charles Lowery, NM4V clow...@va.net
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MVP Power Supply help
What is the GE part number? Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Charles Lowery clow...@va.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MVP Power Supply help I have a MVP Power Supply on a small repeater and the voltage is 17 V on receive. VR1 is bad and not turning on the transistor to regulate it in receive. The manual does not tell me a usable part number except from GE. Can anyone give me the zener's voltage value or a suitable replacement? Charles Lowery, NM4V clow...@va.net Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
knew a radio shop in Sarasota Fl that did that kind of work on a repeater system on an 640 foot tower 800Mhz. good job. - Original Message - From: Barry To: repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:23 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality Interesting read , In this part of the world the regulation regarding cable installs is very stringent and as one licensed to do such things is a constant source of amusement for me , just because you have an amateur license does not mean you have to install like one :) I know of commercial installers getting fined these days who complain we have been doing it this way for years To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: wb2...@roadrunner.com Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 15:16:47 -0400 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality I know a radio shop that does installs like that. It's been in business for over 30 years. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr To: Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 2:50 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality Nightmare f-ing Hams! story from this weekend: I went to a site this weekend, and the new Amateur repeater in the new building the hams are moving into had 200' of 1/2 Andrews hardline on it that I don't even know how it was operating... it looked like someone had taken a ballpeen hammer to it at 5' lengths all the way across the ice bridge and up the tower. The hardline run was done INSIDE a tower leg instead of properly up the outside cable tray/unistrut with no hangers, and no grounding kits on the run of 1/2 anywhere. SNIP __ Looking to move somewhere new this winter? Let ninemsn property help http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Edomain%2Ecom%2Eau%2F%3Fs%5Fcid%3DFDMedia%3ANineMSN%5FHotmail%5FTagline_t=774152450_r=Domain_tagline_m=EXT
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MVP Power Supply help
Sorry I should have included it. 19A115528P6 Thanks Charles, NM4V Quoting Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com: What is the GE part number? Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Charles Lowery clow...@va.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MVP Power Supply help I have a MVP Power Supply on a small repeater and the voltage is 17 V on receive. VR1 is bad and not turning on the transistor to regulate it in receive. The manual does not tell me a usable part number except from GE. Can anyone give me the zener's voltage value or a suitable replacement? Charles Lowery, NM4V clow...@va.net Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MVP Power Supply help
New London has the GE part available for $1 ea. Still looking for a cross. Chuck - Original Message - From: clow...@va.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MVP Power Supply help Sorry I should have included it. 19A115528P6 Thanks Charles, NM4V Quoting Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com: What is the GE part number? Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Charles Lowery clow...@va.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MVP Power Supply help I have a MVP Power Supply on a small repeater and the voltage is 17 V on receive. VR1 is bad and not turning on the transistor to regulate it in receive. The manual does not tell me a usable part number except from GE. Can anyone give me the zener's voltage value or a suitable replacement? Charles Lowery, NM4V clow...@va.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MVP Power Supply help
No luck on a cross. Sorry. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MVP Power Supply help New London has the GE part available for $1 ea. Still looking for a cross. Chuck - Original Message - From: clow...@va.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] MVP Power Supply help Sorry I should have included it. 19A115528P6 Thanks Charles, NM4V Quoting Chuck Kelsey wb2...@roadrunner.com: What is the GE part number? Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Charles Lowery clow...@va.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:53 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MVP Power Supply help I have a MVP Power Supply on a small repeater and the voltage is 17 V on receive. VR1 is bad and not turning on the transistor to regulate it in receive. The manual does not tell me a usable part number except from GE. Can anyone give me the zener's voltage value or a suitable replacement? Charles Lowery, NM4V clow...@va.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] Re: MVP Power Supply help
If my memory serves me correctly. The cross reference number is a 1N4736A ZENER DIODE. 73, Geoff, G8DZJ.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality
The funny/sad thing is I've seen professional installs that are on the same par as that also. It's hard to believe people get away charging for these type installs and stay in business. In fact I was at one of my work sites today installing a PDR3500 as a temporary repeater and saw a similar setup by a commercial company that I know sells time on their community UHF repeater. GE mobile as a receiver, Motorola radius as a transmitter hooked to a Selectone community tone panel with RG58 strung across the room to the multicoupler/combiner. What sad is my backyard repeater is setup much better than that and pry works much better too. Glenayre pager transmitter and Motorola Spectra-Tac receiver with a Link Comm Club Deluexe controller hooked to my Kenwood TS-2000. Hardline on everything but the HF off the Kenwood. What even sorrier is when people (hams at one of my work sites) spend thousands of dollars on a complete D-Star system and computer with internet line to the site and run RG-8 and Ham sticks on the tower for their antennas. What a waste, that's the best thing you can do to kill a brand new would have been good system. Least they could have done is buy some good commercial mono band antennas for the repeaters. Would have only cost a couple hundred extra, and the system would have worked ten times better. Oh well can't make everyone understand common sense and logic. T.J. Ham installation quality/non-quality Posted by: Nate Duehr n...@natetech.com wy0x Date: Mon May 4, 2009 11:53 am ((PDT)) Nightmare f-ing Hams! story from this weekend: I went to a site this weekend, and the new Amateur repeater in the new building the hams are moving into had 200' of 1/2 Andrews hardline on it that I don't even know how it was operating... it looked like someone had taken a ballpeen hammer to it at 5' lengths all the way across the ice bridge and up the tower. The hardline run was done INSIDE a tower leg instead of properly up the outside cable tray/unistrut with no hangers, and no grounding kits on the run of 1/2 anywhere. There was a ham grade Comet triplexer bolted to the back of an open rack, with two ports terminated, and one open, and three mobiles and a mobile duplexer for the repeater sitting on a shelf, everything connected with RG-58, plugged into the triplexer so the link radio could be connected to the same feedline/antenna, and then 9913 for the jumper from the diplexer to the polyphaser panel (amazingly, they used a polyphaser!)... then a dual-band ham-grade antenna (also looked like a Comet - we didn't send the tower climbers up there) at the very tippy top of the tower that was already looking like it was loose in the sites regular 50+ MPH winds. The power supply looked like maybe it was a Micor supply, but more likely was homebrew to run someone's gear at home, years ago. The whole repeater cabinet was plugged into the tool power outlet on the wall, and not to the overhead 15A twist locks at the site that are supposed to be equipment power. No grounding cable was attached to the cabinet or to the overhead halo system. Meanwhile the two groups that went up were installing brand new 7/8 hardline and connectors on the new tower, putting that hardline into the cable trays, new polyphasers, RG-400 or better jumpers from the panel to their enclosed cabinets, new Sinclair antennas, grounding kits on all hardline, etc. We also ripped down all the abandoned 7/8 and chunks in the hangars, took all the clipped and abandoned wire ties on the tower and ice bridge off and threw them away, removed extra hangars and stored them in the building, removed three runs of #8 bare copper wire strung down the ice bridge as a ground from the tower to the building, which would just be an intermod/noise-maker, reattached the tower ground the both the ice-bridge and the ground rod temporarily, (were going to do a cadweld, but it was raining and no one had a grinder to clean the surfaces properly), picked up all site trash, etc. There are GOOD ham radio tenants, and bad ones... that's for sure. If it were up to me, I'd have made ONE phone call to this guy saying his repeater was no longer welcome at the site, disconnected it, changed the door code, and set that mobiles in a cabinet hunk of junk out in rain under a tarp for later pickup, along with stripping his virtually destroyed 1/2 hardline and noisemaker antenna from the tower while we had the crew up there. RG-58 for duplexer connections?! WTF??? Politically, I have to be a little careful here... I actually know the ham that put this junk up, and if he reads this, I hope he's not too offended -- but it's a nightmare waiting to happen for the rest of us on the site. It's so far from commercial grade it just shouldn't be up there. A backyard is a nice place for a repeater like that. The above CRAP jobs are often why hams aren't welcome at commercial sites. I
[Repeater-Builder] RE: TASMA makes a move to take over coordinating responsibilities for the 440 band
This could get real interesting, real fast, since the big difference between SCRRBA and TASMA band plans is whether the 70cm repeater inputs should be above or below the outputs. They are opposite polarities! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Jeff [mailto:jeff.92...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:30 PM To: repeaterownersassociat...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: TASMA makes a move to take over coordinating responsibilities for the 440 band Larry, In my personal opinion, I would not want a repeater trustee, or repeater owner to be heading up a coordinating committee. NO6B, as I recall, has been both while on various decision making positions at TASMA. Also, anyone on TASMA or SCRBBA should NOT be considered for any coordination of any kind while also engaged in coordination, and even after leaving a coordination group, should give up their rights to a new coordination for some period, say 5 years. There is probably a desire on the part of some 2-meter repeater owners to take over some of the 440 coordinations to further their global expansion plans, or linking plans, or whatever they have in mind for 440. Good luck. Jeff, W6FCC Formerly WA4EGT --- On Mon, 5/4/09, larryw6lar larryw6...@verizon.net wrote: From: larryw6lar larryw6...@verizon.net Subject: Re: TASMA makes a move to take over coordinating responsibilities for the 440 band To: repeaterownersassociat...@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 11:14 AM WA6ARC wrote: A storm is brewing in Southern California as TASMA makes a move to take over coordinating responsibilities for the 440 band. In what one repeater owner referred to as a turf war, others believe the move will streamline the process, eliminate duplication and cut costs of services by eliminating SCRRBA. Multiple complaints have been heard over the years about the lack of cooperation with repeater owners and SCRRBA leadership. A group of repeater owners recently approached TASMA and requested that TASMA assume the role of coordinator of the 440 band and the new board at TASMA agreed in principle to move ahead with the idea. TASMA established a working group at the December meeting and the group has issued a recommendation to the members to change the bylaws of TASMA to become the 440 band coordinator. Below are the proposed changes that will be voted on by TASMA membership at the next general meeting. 1. Meeting began with a discussion of the proposed bylaw changes necessary to enable 440 coordination. The bylaw changes had been revised based on the discussions in the April 25 meeting. Two set of changes were presented. The first marked Vote 1 consisted of three bylaw changes that needed to be made to enable 440 coordination. The second marked Vote 2 was a bylaw change to change the organizations name. The bylaws were reviewed and were accepted without any changes. 2. The draft motion to be presented to the membership to enable 440 coordination was reviewed and discussed. There was a discussion about wording changes Bob NO6B wanted to see in the second paragraph. All attendees agreed to change the motion to incorporate the changes Bob proposed to the committee. The discussion also touched on how 70 centimeter functional standards might differ from 2 Meter standards. All attendees agreed to start the process using the 2 meter standards and to have the Technical Committee decide the functional standard changes necessary for 70 centimeters using standard TASMA procedures. 3. The section of the motion to provide grandfathered coordination was discussed. The discussion centered around the length of time of the transition period in which grandfathered coordinations would be allowed. The discussion was about how much time was reasonable to submit a RFC for grandfathered coordination and how fast the Technical Committee could respond to grandfather RFCs. There was concern that the Technical Committee may be overwhelmed by the volume of grandfathered coordination requests. There was also concern that lack of a deadline would create problems for the Technical Committee in the long run. After considerable discussion, the attendees decided to set the grandfather RFC time limit to expire 12/31/11. The time period was set for six months to inform the amateur community about the changes and for eighteen months to submit the grandfather RFC. The attendees also decided that the deadline applied to the submission of the grandfather RFC to
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
I have to agree that the first version Mototrbo XPR series repeater looks to be a set of mobile radios just like the crap ICOM puts out called D-Star. However, they have the board that upgrades the MTR2000 repeater to make it TDMA and that is a real repeater. It would be hard to find anything that performs better for the price. Mike K7PFJ _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Nate Duehr Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:48 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality On Mon, 4 May 2009 14:57:34 -0500 (CDT), Kris Kirby k...@catonic. mailto:kris%40catonic.us us said: On Mon, 4 May 2009, Nate Duehr wrote: There are GOOD ham radio tenants, and bad ones... that's for sure. If it were up to me, I'd have made ONE phone call to this guy saying his repeater was no longer welcome at the site, disconnected it, changed the door code, and set that mobiles in a cabinet hunk of Point of order: http://batboard. http://batboard.batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=1t=69658hilit batlabs.com/viewtopic.php?f=1t=69658hilit That's a cutting-edge Motorola TRBO. And yes, it's a pair of mobiles in a 4U rack box. http://www.radioexp http://www.radioexpressinc.com/repeaters.htm ressinc.com/repeaters.htm Motorola GR500, GR1225, CDR500, CDR700 -- all of them are: a pair of mobiles in a box. So you're saying if Motorola engineers jumped off a bridge, you'd jump too? Not sure what your point is, unless you're trying to prove Moto's quality on the low-end has deteriorated? They're not exactly a shining star of engineering skill these days. They're just copying the crowd. And the crowd wants cheap crap. Nate WY0X -- Nate Duehr n...@natetech. mailto:nate%40natetech.com com
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality
Kris, There's a bit of disinformation in your message. The GR1225 contains a full-duplex R1225 transceiver, which includes a controller inside the single chassis. The others are pairs of mobile radios. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kris Kirby Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 12:58 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ham installation quality/non-quality snip http://www.radioexpressinc.com/repeaters.htm http://www.radioexpressinc.com/repeaters.htm Motorola GR500, GR1225, CDR500, CDR700 -- all of them are: a pair of mobiles in a box. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
At 01:52 PM 5/4/2009, you wrote: With all due respect, Larry, your ONE QUESTION is a test unrelated to what the rule says. The rule itself says it applies to the additional self-assigned identifier separated by the /, so the question is the conflict posed by R, not /R. If the / was included in the conflict test, there would be no reason for the rule, since no country is allocated / or other non-alphanumerics as part of its national call letter pool. Au contrare, my friend. The question is posed by the addition of anything that could reasonably be seen to obscure, hide or somehow bring one to the belief that the identifying sign was something other than what it is. The /R addition to a callsign does not and indeed - CANNOT do that, as R alone is NOT an identifier that is associated with another country. You might as well argue that the use of ANY of the 26 letters of the alphabet are inadmissible because SOMEONE might ue them in their own callsign. For that matter - the 10 digits are also out - same reasoning. Sorry - but I stand by my comments. The /R addendum to a callsign is NOT a violation of the self-assigned identifier rule. Nothing in the rule limits conflict to the amateur service. If another country has the authorization under international treaty to give broadcasters, ships at sea, or long-range baby monitors a callsign beginning with (or consisting of) R, we can't legally use it following a /. Sure, it's a one-size-fits-all rule, but what's new? Again - WRONG. The question is whether or not /R ALONE is an identifier for another country - which it is NOT. Good amateur practice would suggest the shortest legal repeater ID regardless, to reduce the time you're occupying the spectrum. If the /R is not required, why would anyone use it? To distinguish the repeater from all the other Morse chatter you hear on 2m FM? More accurately, to distinguish the repeater ID'er from ANY other traffic - including that of the individual whose license the releater uses. All that said, Larry, I don't think you're in danger of an imminent enforcement action. The FCC doesn't have time to chase violations that draw no complaints. In fact, in the current political environment, if the Russians made a fuss, the feds would probably enjoy it. I am assuredly not in danger of ANY enforcement - as I do not have my callsign on any repeater at the moment, nor am I the trustee for any repeater. I simply understand what the words in the English language MEAN. If the FCC starts cracking down on 10-codes used on 2m, maybe worry then. 10-codes? I don't use those either. Indeed - I TEACH prospective technicians - and the non-use of ciphers is part of my course. Larry Wagoner - N5WLW VP - PRCARC PIC - MS SECT ARRL
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: desense question
Thanks Mike. I'll file that trick away for future use! Mike WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 7:10 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: desense question At 02:22 PM 05/04/09, you wrote: Mike, I assume the purpose of the paint can is to act as a Faraday cage? Yep. Cheap coax is lossy and leaky. Is it attached to the common-point ground system or left freestanding? If I remember the situation (it's been over 15 years since I shot the photo) it was freestanding (but the DC continuity went from the shield of coax #1 through the connector to the paint can lid to the connector #2). Of course it also went through the coax braid. The can was just in the coax line from the exciter to the PA deck. Nothing fancy, just two superflex jumpers and the attenuator can. 73, Mike WM4B From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:19 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: desense question At 06:07 AM 05/04/09, you wrote: The amp is a UHF PA off a mobile rig, and I needed about 50 feet of RG58U to attenuate the signal from the repeater into the amp module. Not good, probably better to bypass (not use) the 15 watt amplifier and drive the external amp direct from the exciter. Not a thing wrong with using a length of coax as an attenuator if it's done right. Have used this technique often when a little attenuation is needed. Al, K9SI Somewhere I've got a couple of photos of attenuators made from a paint can with coil of coax inside it. A pair of hooded SO239s on the lid and you're done. One is of a 5 gallon paint can, the other of a 1 gallon. Mike
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
Larry, I hear ya, and this is probably what the folks who consider this vague and unenforceable refer to. I'm sure we'll be hearing /R for years to come. In fact, before it goes out of use, I expect to start hearing new Technician-class licensees start asking on-air, Hey...what's that wierd beeping noise I keep hearing about every ten minutes? My comment on 10-codes was only to suggest the FCC would have many layers of other priorities to wade through before getting to /R on repeaters, not to suggest that you condone ciphers. And...thanks for taking this in the spirit of friendly debate in which it was intended. ;^) 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Larry Wagoner To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project At 01:52 PM 5/4/2009, you wrote: ...The question is posed by the addition of anything that could reasonably be seen to obscure, hide or somehow bring one to the belief that the identifying sign was something other than what it is... ...10-codes? I don't use those either. Indeed - I TEACH prospective technicians - and the non-use of ciphers is part of my course... .
RE: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
Paul, I've actually HEARD comments about CW ID's (not on any of my systems thankfully. but up in the ATL area) from several repeater users. Something about not being able to tell what repeater they're on. (I guess the frequency isn't a good enough clue.) Kinda makes me want to take the voice ID's off my systems! 73, Mike WM4B _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Plack Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 9:40 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project Larry, I hear ya, and this is probably what the folks who consider this vague and unenforceable refer to. I'm sure we'll be hearing /R for years to come. In fact, before it goes out of use, I expect to start hearing new Technician-class licensees start asking on-air, Hey...what's that wierd beeping noise I keep hearing about every ten minutes? My comment on 10-codes was only to suggest the FCC would have many layers of other priorities to wade through before getting to /R on repeaters, not to suggest that you condone ciphers. And...thanks for taking this in the spirit of friendly debate in which it was intended. ;^) 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Larry mailto:larrywago...@bellsouth.net Wagoner To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project At 01:52 PM 5/4/2009, you wrote: ...The question is posed by the addition of anything that could reasonably be seen to obscure, hide or somehow bring one to the belief that the identifying sign was something other than what it is... ...10-codes? I don't use those either. Indeed - I TEACH prospective technicians - and the non-use of ciphers is part of my course... . http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=104168/grpspId=1705063108/msgId= 91167/stime=1241484965/nc1=4025338/nc2=5689698/nc3=5658254
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: TASMA makes a move to take over coordinating responsibilities for the 440 band
Eric, I think you are referring to the differences between northern and southern California 440 coordination administered by SCRRBA and NARCC. The northern coordinator is NARCC (Northern Amateur Relay Council of California - http://www.narcc.org/). Northern CA is low output and southern CA is high output. Not only does this issue exist, there is the southern 20 kHz channel steps versus the northern 25 kHz channel steps to contend with. Someday there may be a uniform 440 band plan for this region of the U.S. Jim _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:47 PM To: repeaterownersassociat...@googlegroups.com Cc: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RE: TASMA makes a move to take over coordinating responsibilities for the 440 band This could get real interesting, real fast, since the big difference between SCRRBA and TASMA band plans is whether the 70cm repeater inputs should be above or below the outputs. They are opposite polarities! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project
LOL...this is the real point of APRS. We need to display callsigns on the front of the user's radio! You know, like D-Star, only analog... - Original Message - From: Mike Besemer (WM4B) To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 7:47 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] 440 Repeater Project Paul, I've actually HEARD comments about CW ID's (not on any of my systems thankfully. but up in the ATL area) from several repeater users. Something about not being able to tell what repeater they're on. (I guess the frequency isn't a good enough clue.) .
Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: TASMA makes a move to take over coordinating responsibilities for the 440 band
There was one nationwide (minus the polarity) until NARCC changed... Joe M. wa6vpl wrote: Eric, I think you are referring to the differences between northern and southern California 440 coordination administered by SCRRBA and NARCC. The northern coordinator is NARCC (Northern Amateur Relay Council of California - http://www.narcc.org/). Northern CA is low output and southern CA is high output. Not only does this issue exist, there is the southern 20 kHz channel steps versus the northern 25 kHz channel steps to contend with. Someday there may be a uniform 440 band plan for this region of the U.S. Jim *From:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Lemmon *Sent:* Monday, May 04, 2009 5:47 PM *To:* repeaterownersassociat...@googlegroups.com *Cc:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* [Repeater-Builder] RE: TASMA makes a move to take over coordinating responsibilities for the 440 band This could get real interesting, real fast, since the big difference between SCRRBA and TASMA band plans is whether the 70cm repeater inputs should be above or below the outputs. They are opposite polarities! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Ham installation quality/non-quality
Totally agree with Nate, Hams can talk great distances using the least expensive means. and have seen my fair share of ham and commercial installsm usally revolves making the sale at any cost. this is the 2-way radio industry everyone is cutting everyones prices. Personally hams should be the best clients insted of shotty installs and listen to the hams bad mouth the tower owners or tower mangers. Hams need to remember its a privlage not a right to be at a tower site and take all steps to be with in compliance with mechanical and electrical codes. Yes owning a repeater is not cheap but the upfront expences pay off down the road. Ryan n3ssl
RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: TASMA makes a move to take over coordinating responsibilities for the 440 band
Oops! You're absolutely correct. Must be that continuous loss of brain cells that teetotalers keep warning me about... 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of wa6vpl Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 7:10 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] RE: TASMA makes a move to take over coordinating responsibilities for the 440 band Eric, I think you are referring to the differences between northern and southern California 440 coordination administered by SCRRBA and NARCC. The northern coordinator is NARCC (Northern Amateur Relay Council of California - http://www.narcc.org/ http://www.narcc.org/ ). Northern CA is low output and southern CA is high output. Not only does this issue exist, there is the southern 20 kHz channel steps versus the northern 25 kHz channel steps to contend with. Someday there may be a uniform 440 band plan for this region of the U.S. Jim From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:47 PM To: repeaterownersassociat...@googlegroups.com Cc: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RE: TASMA makes a move to take over coordinating responsibilities for the 440 band This could get real interesting, real fast, since the big difference between SCRRBA and TASMA band plans is whether the 70cm repeater inputs should be above or below the outputs. They are opposite polarities! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY
[Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 440 UHF
Hi all I am having a problem with my repeater. It is a MSF5000 440 UHF 110W. I was told that it might have crystal hairs in the TX duplexer. People are telling me that I need to disassemble the duplexer and clean it with a toothbrush to get the crystals out and use a nolock on the adjustment screws. Is that right? If not can someone fill me in on the correct way to do it and the right things to use? I don't have a service manual for the unit but I don't think I will have a problem. Thanks Bob kd7ikz
Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: TASMA 70 cm band coordination
At 5/4/2009 17:46, you wrote: This could get real interesting, real fast, since the big difference between SCRRBA and TASMA band plans is whether the 70cm repeater inputs should be above or below the outputs. They are opposite polarities! 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY TASMA has a 70 cm bandplan? That's news to me! Bob NO6B Chairman, TASMA
