Re: [Rosegarden-user] Volume/Mixer channel ID's?

[krsgrdn]

Tue, 2 Apr 2024 11:02:33 -0400
Ted Felix  :

>Looks like the text fields are too small for the text.  It's supposed 
> to say "Synth plugin #1", etc  I'll have a look.  Should be easy to fix.\

Thank you, if you can fix it it'll be much appreciated!

Maybe abbreviating can help, maybe a short user-handle based on the
assigned track ID. I use mostly ZASF-dssi and GM-soundfonts so from my
perspective a single letter z or g and the track # is all I need,
like z01 or g14.  It takes up a lot of room when you  have 24 of
them :-)

  


 
> Ted.
> 
> On 3/31/24 2:50 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > 
> > What can I do to have sliders identified as other than "In-1"?
> > This is what I see EVEN with full-screen spacing and it makes
> > work very difficult.  TIA
> > 
> > https://imgur.com/VGVpeMO.png
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Volume/Mixer channel ID's?

[krsgrdn]

Tue, 2 Apr 2024 11:17:15 -0400
Ted Felix  :

>...also if you hover over the text with the mouse, you'll get the 
> full name.  Click to rename to something that is more useful.

Missed this one, got it, thanks. In fact that's all I need. I don't
get it on mouse over but clicking I can rename it and since the mixer
shows only the rosegarden devices all I need is 2 digits for the track
#.



> 
> Ted.
> 
> On 4/2/24 11:02 AM, Ted Felix wrote:
> >    Looks like the text fields are too small for the text.  It's supposed 
> > to say "Synth plugin #1", etc  I'll have a look.  Should be easy to 
> > fix.
> > 
> > Ted.
> > 
> > On 3/31/24 2:50 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> >>
> >> What can I do to have sliders identified as other than "In-1"?
> >> This is what I see EVEN with full-screen spacing and it makes
> >> work very difficult.  TIA
> >>
> >> https://imgur.com/VGVpeMO.png
> >>
> >>
> >>
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[Rosegarden-user] Volume/Mixer channel ID's?

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What can I do to have sliders identified as other than "In-1"?
This is what I see EVEN with full-screen spacing and it makes 
work very difficult.  TIA

https://imgur.com/VGVpeMO.png




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[Rosegarden-user] pixelwise equal-length bars in notation?

[krsgrdn]

I need the entire notation as a long image with equal length bars. So 
far I have tried making a wide image and feeding it to kdenlive using
either equal bars at steady speed *OR* uneven speed and keyframing,
both of which require a LOT or work. What I would like to see is a
feature that takes the longest bar and makes all the others the same
length (don't think this exists).

examples
https://youtu.be/PeU1tfS2MbM
https://youtu.be/4BAtn2hVWgs



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] transport TIME seems to be inacurate

[krsgrdn]

Thu, 26 Oct 2023 08:47:47 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  :

> On 26/10/2023 00:31, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > 
> > The song is a steady 110bpm and is 109 bars in length. The
> > numbers would cruch as follows
> > 
> > https://toolstud.io/music/song-length.php?bpm=110_unit=4%2F4=109_unit=bars
> > 
> > for a total time of 3:58 BUT when the Rosegarden transport indicator
> > is slewed from zero to the end of bar 109 the counter shows 4:02. I
> > don't know what to make of this.
> 
> That seems weird. I did a quick test setting the tempo at 110 for the 
> entire song and placing the playhead at exactly the end of measure 109 
> (or the start of measure 110), and the transport indicates 3:57. See a 
> screenshot here:
> 
> https://storage.googleapis.com/openscreenshot/X%2Fd%2Fc/70W0YecdX.png
> 
> Hint: in Rosegarden you can move the playhead exactly 1 measure at a 
> time by using PAGE-UP and PAGE-DOWN keys
> Also, the transport windows is clickable and you can enter an exact 
> location in any of the supported formats (
> 
> Maybe I would check a couple of things:
> 
> - 4:02 would be around the end of measure 111 at 110 BPM, so are you 
> sure you are at the end of 109?
> - 4:02 would be the end of measure 109 at 108 BPM. Are you sure the 
> tempo is 110 BPM for the whole song? Sometimes when dragging the tempo 
> line in the tempo ruler I have set tempos of which were from .50 to even 
> 2-3 BPM off. In fact when I want to set a fixed tempo I prefer to right 
> click and actually input the numerical values...
> 
> Just my two cents, but then if the above two are correct let's hear what 
> others have to say :-)

Sorry! 

I couldn't figure out why you responded since I had very quickly found
the answer ...but then I justy as quickly sent it only to myself :-)

--
The song END was set as 111 bars, it is not the end of the last
segnment as I had presumed (I always set a couple of extra bars or I
canot grab the end of a segment with the resize tool). 
---

THANKS for tyrying to help all the same.




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[Rosegarden-user] transport TIME seems to be inacurate

[krsgrdn]

The song is a steady 110bpm and is 109 bars in length. The
numbers would cruch as follows

https://toolstud.io/music/song-length.php?bpm=110_unit=4%2F4=109_unit=bars

for a total time of 3:58 BUT when the Rosegarden transport indicator
is slewed from zero to the end of bar 109 the counter shows 4:02. I
don't know what to make of this.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to record audio of entire playback (all tracks)?

[krsgrdn]

Mon, 23 Oct 2023 15:35:36 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  :

> On 23/10/2023 03:39, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > 
> > I have qjackctl, qsynth and RG loaded. Some tracks are GM and
> > most are ZASF-dssi. Everything works but I cannot record with
> > jack_capture because it don't work. As an alternative the RG
> > recording feature comes to mind BUT it records only ONE (the
> > selected) track. How can I select ALL track to be recorded
> > just as if I were sueing jack_capture?
> 
> If I understand correctly your set-up:
> 
> 1. you are using jack (via qjackctl)
> 2. you are connecting via ALSA MIDI to qsynth
> 3. you are also using ZASF-dissi _inside_ rosegarden

Thanks for the detailed guide!

Yes, the above is the minimal roster. Sometimes I also include Hydrogen
and Yoshimi but I don't think that the use of THESE apps is a factor 


> What is not working with recording via jack_capture?

Essentially, sometiomes and for reasons unknown, jack_capture either
starts capturing but the file ends before the first note ends OR
jack_capture just records an empty .wav file

The other day I had an additional app running (could have been Audacity)
and all I had to do was kill it for the next invocation of jack_capture
to work just fine. 

 
> IIRC jack_capture without any options will connect (jack) to the system 
> out ports and start recording straight away...
> 
> If the scenario is the above what I would do is:
> 
> 0. Make sure 'Use JACK transport' is selected in Rosegarden Preferences 
>  > General > Behaviour - also make sure playback is stopped before the 
> next step...
> 1. start jack_capture with the following flags:
> 
> jack_capture -mc -jt
> 
> -mc is manual connections, so you need to set them up (see next points)
> -jt is: wait for jack transport to start rolling before start recording 
> and stop when jack transport stops (*)
> 
> 2. connect Rosegarden audio out to jack_capture input
> 3. connect qsynth output to jack_capture
> 4. Start playing in rosegarden
>  
> If all is good jack_capture should start recording both rosegarden 
> (therefore your DSSI) and qsynth and stop when playback stops.


> (*) you might want to pick -jtm instead of -jt if your piece stops and 
> you have audio 'tails' (e.g. reverb, delay..) continuing after the end 
> of the piece or these would be cut off in the recording. In this case 
> you'll need to stop jack_capture manually.
> Alternatively add a few end 'buffer' measures in rosegarden at the end 
> of the piece. See also all jack_capture options via:
> 
> jack_capture -help2

Using mostly Suse Leap or Tumbleweed I've been getting good results but
the cited failure has been a regular 'vistor' for unknown reasons.
At such times none of the above helps but most other times it works
with default settings without the above. Right now it works fine under
Tumbleweed but withg Tumbleweed I cannot get Audacity running: 
__
(process:3873): Gdk-CRITICAL **: 18:13:52.599:
gdk_screen_get_root_window: assertion 'GDK_IS_SCREEN (screen)' failed
--

It's been failing with Leap for several days. 

The thing is that for a productive session I need all of the
following to work

qjackctl (jack)
jack_capture
qsynth
hydrogen
yoshimi
rosegaden
audacity
sonicvisualiser
kdenlive
simplescreenrecorder

but even though I use 7 different distros there are times when not one
of them allows this much.

This time a file WAS produced nbuty it is truncated to the start:

strace is way over ny head but here it is
https://paste.opensuse.org/pastes/7dbad6223d33

the wav file image:
http://www.trixtar.org/temp-pub-buffer/failed-jack_capture-wave.png



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[Rosegarden-user] How to record audio of entire playback (all tracks)?

[krsgrdn]

I have qjackctl, qsynth and RG loaded. Some tracks are GM and
most are ZASF-dssi. Everything works but I cannot record with
jack_capture because it don't work. As an alternative the RG 
recording feature comes to mind BUT it records only ONE (the 
selected) track. How can I select ALL track to be recorded 
just as if I were sueing jack_capture?



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Done with Rosegarden

[krsgrdn]

Mon, 17 Jul 2023 05:21:10 -
r...@hydrophones.com :

> Hi guys,
> 
> What I was working on using primarily Rosegarden is now up for your
> downloading pleasure:
> 
> https://www.hydrophones.com/public/Symphonic_Etude_1__Heroic_Fools.ogg
> 
> Demonstrates Rosegarden is good for large scale symphonic works.


Amazing, the only remedy for my inferiority complex is a two-week RG bootcamp 
or a pile of tutorial videos by Oliver Stone.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] audio subsystem not available - can't record audio

[krsgrdn]

Sat, 15 Jul 2023 18:51:03 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  :

> On 15/07/2023 12:53, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:38:51 -
> > r...@hydrophones.com :
> > 
> [...]
> > 
> > Somewhat OT... I've been finding direct audio recording into RG 
> > 'irregularly successful' so I have drifted to using jack_capture, but that 
> > also requires track alignement in any subsequent remix. And how do you 
> > record into Audacity BTW, never tried THAT one yet?
> 
> Rosegarden can also use Jack Transport (only as 'Master' AFAIK) by 
> selecting Edit > Preferences > General > Use JACK Transport
> 
> Then you could use jack_capture with the option:
> 
> jack_capture --jack-transport -mc
> 
> Then when you start playback in rosegarden jack_capture will start and 
> stop when rosegarden is also stopped.

Thanks, I didn't know that, great stuff!


> Note that because of the -mc option you first need to do the (jack 
> audio) connections to jack_capture *before* you start recording - this 
> is probably good because otherwise jack_capture tries to autoconnect
> 
> Another approach still using jack transport would be to use another 
> software (e.g. Ardour) for the audio recording part (which I've done in 
> the past)
> 
> Lorenzo
> 
> 
> > 
> > Finally about that superuser thing, that icon-clicking rang a bell here, 
> > does the icon execution begin with 'sudo' or such?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] audio subsystem not available - can't record audio

[krsgrdn]

Sat, 15 Jul 2023 07:38:51 -
r...@hydrophones.com :


> Hi all,
> 
> In further bizarre behavior, if I type the command rosegarden in a
> terminal, rosegarden comes up but NOT in superuser mode, if I then import
> a rg file, it seems to come up normally which contrasts that if I mouse
> click on an rg file it brings up rosegarden in superuser mode!
> 
> In any event, in either mode I get the message "audio subsystem not
> available - can't record audio" from Rosegarden.
> 
> However, I can record into Audacity, but then how do I synchronize it if I
> do several tracks at different times, i.e. not everything in one go?
> 
> Thanks again for looking into this,

Somewhat OT... I've been finding direct audio recording into RG 'irregularly 
successful' so I have drifted to using jack_capture, but that also requires 
track alignement in any subsequent remix. And how do you record into Audacity 
BTW, never tried THAT one yet?

Finally about that superuser thing, that icon-clicking rang a bell here, does 
the icon execution begin with 'sudo' or such?



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Quantisation?

[krsgrdn]

Sun, 21 May 2023 08:49:08 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  :

> On 21/05/2023 03:38, Jozseph Hogan wrote:
> > This is a good point.
> > 
> > If we know that no  note is shorter than a sixteenth note then limiting
> > this woudl remove notes and rests with shorter counts.
> > 
> > No DAW has this?
> > 
> 
> IMHO the thing is that doing this 'a priori' might be slippery, because 
> in some cases you do want a recording to include (some) little 
> 'imperfections' which make it sound more 'live' / 'human'

I would try it, and then decide. I have never heard a musician start a whole 
note (for example) 1/32 before the end of a bar and then tie it the rest over 
into the next one. Being no more a 'musician' than a blacksmith would be a 
machinist, I still suspect that by forcing the use of let's say at least 1/8ths 
the digitizingware would push the note into the next bar. I'm convinced of 
this, the poor quality of digitizingware isn't the abundance of human feel 
(that you'd risk losing) but the exact opposite. Isn't it possible to nix 
cross-bar ties already in rosegarden? I vaguely remember something along such 
lines. I say experiment, I would... :-) 

Make some optional toggleable rules and try them in turn:

If less than 1/16 of a note would be tied across then begin the note in the 
next bar or end it in the current one as the case may be

Same for rests

Try larger/smaller values, listen for differences.








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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Quantisation?

[krsgrdn]

Fri, 19 May 2023 00:42:45 -0400
Ted Felix  :

>Quantizing can be used for two main purposes:
> 
> 1. To make sheet music that looks good.
> 2. To make your performance sound more "perfect".

I have used it a few times to clean up bars in red and rests and that worked 
fairly well.

But (my 2 cents) problems should be attacked at the root cause, and THAT is the 
digitizing-ware that writes midi tracks (tried many before giving up). I always 
figured that users turning to such apps should have the opportunity to direct 
the the software to use no shorter than 1/8 or 1/4 notes for example, it would 
always be easier to clean up form that end than from this other one as it were. 
Like I said 'my 2' :-))




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[Rosegarden-user] monkey see, monkey do

[krsgrdn]

I just wanna fire this off in the wake of my 
last two threads: methinks it would be a great
idea if a paste-up facility existed (maybe on 
s-forge for this list's users), something like 
susepaste but also allowing *.rg/mp3/mp4's of 
examples. A selectable time limit is used at
susepaste and as far as I know there's been no 
abuse. It would also help with fixing problems.





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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

[krsgrdn]

Wed, 17 May 2023 08:15:25 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  :

> On 17/05/2023 01:31, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > Tue, 16 May 2023 09:38:18 +0100
> > chuck elliot  :
> > 
> >> I have experienced similar phenomena using external/physical synths while
> >>
> >> Qsynth was also running. Even though the Qsynth midi output port was not
> >> mapped to any
> >>
> >> midi playback device or instrument within MIDI Device Manager in RG,
> >> Qsynth was playing notes from tracks that were mapped
> >>
> >> to my external synths. That struck me as anomalous behaviour but at the
> >> time I just got round it by
> >>
> >> turning the Qsynth volume down. Is it possibly to do with Jack settings
> >> within RG/Qsynth where Jack is
> > 
> > I disable all automatic connections that I could find
> > and then connected all the synths I use to rosegarden.
> > This resulted in no sound at all, so next I also
> > connected them to system and that seems to have fixed
> > the problem (UFN).
> > 
> > Readable Hydrogen, qSynth & Yoshimi are all connected
> > to Writable rosegarden & system
> > 
> > Readable rosegarden is connected to Writable system
> > 
> > Readable system is not connected
> > 
> > I have no idea what other connections might have been
> > made automatically under the suspected prefs actions.
> 
> Ah, I obviously replied to the previous thread before reading this (it 
> _is_ early morning over here...), still it might help for future 
> reference in the mailing list archive :-)

It's early here NOW  {blinking around 66w}

> So, seems 'auto' connections might have been the culprit!

99% by the lookathings, I just hope this don't become 
another one of my famous last words :-)  It's been a 
real PITA and desperation, you can't imagine how pleased
I am at the prospect of beeing free of it.




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

[krsgrdn]

Wed, 17 May 2023 08:09:06 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  :

> Hi,
> 
> On 17/05/2023 00:51, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > Tue, 16 May 2023 08:27:17 +0200
> > Lorenzo Sutton  :

> > https://i.imgur.com/ST1XpY8.png
> 
> One thing I noticed from your screenshot is that in the QjackCtl 
> Connection window you are showing the 'Audio' tab, while what I was 
> showing is the 'ALSA' tab which are ALSA Midi connections...
> 
> > If my setup sucks I'd appreciate a step-by-step
> > alternative. 
> 
> Personally I'd say it's definitely a valid set-up. Now-a-days I tend not 
> to use DSSIs any more and use what I referred to as 'external' meaning 
> also software running outside of rosegarden (like Yoshimi or FluidSynth 
> or even Carla, etc.). There are pros and cons to both set-ups and this 
> is general to any sequencer / DAW IMHO.
> What I like about the more modular set-up is that I can e.g. do quick 
> musical 'sketches' by just firing the FluidSynth General Midi soundfont 
> or Yoshimi and connecting to those, then 'refine' the sound addding 
> other synths etc.
> But again it really depends on one's personal 'creative flow' :-)

All "I" do with rosegarden is make myself some backing tracks
which I want to sound just right so it's hours and hours of 
tweaking for the sounds AND the relative volumes. This last 
bit is where RG's internal mixer is a godsend with sliding
controls ready for a reference screenshot etc. 

...


> I will say I use Yoshimi (stand-alone) a _lot_ and always control 
> instrument parameters from Yoshimi directly. If this is interesting I 
> can go more into the set-up maybe in another thread.
> 
> As an aside, because both Rosegarden _and_ Yoshimi will have upcoming 
> releases quite soon I was thinking of maybe doing a quick 'how-to' video 
> on 'quick piece prototyping with Rosegarden and Yoshimi'... If it is 
> interesting for people :-)

Yess, yess, yess, PLEASE.

I am intending to get familiar with Yoshimi, if only 
because I've heard that a lot of work has gone into 
it and the sounds are great.


> >> Unfortunately the MIDI device manager (Studio > Manage MIDI Devices)
> >> doesn't seem to report if a 'Playback' Rosegarden MIDI device is
> >> connected to multiple ALSA inputs.
> >>
> >> However you could check this with something like QJackCtl via its
> >> connections tab (or graph in most recent versions is the default).
> >>
> >> Here is a screenshot of how the connections could look like in a
> >> situation which could be similar to what you describe, where Rosegarden
> >> would be sending MIDI to both Fluidsynth with a general midi soundfont
> >> and Hydrogen together, thus you hearing both sounds:
> >>
> >> https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/a9PBRwnxWq1L.png?o=1
> > 
> > I ususally leave qJackctl do the auto connections, as
> > shown in the snapshot.
> 
> I'm wondering if in your case there's some levels of 'auto' connections 
> / wizardry going on which essentially ends up connecting the output 
> meant for Hydrogen to QSynth as well?
> 
> I _think_ Rosegarden tries to re-connect stuff when you load a saved 
> file and that has messed up my connections a few times.
> 
> Typically I've found out that the best approach is to start Rosegarden 
> *first*, load the file and _then_ load external synths like QSynth, 
> Yoshimi etc.

I've been doing it the other way around: qjackctl, qsynth, 
hydrogen, maybe Zynn or Yoshimi, and last RG probably 
because of the auto connections! 


...
> > I reported it way back when. A segment might
> > just like hang on the last note played which
> > then continues as one of infinite duration.
> 
> I'm not sure what this could be. A shot in the dark: is that last note 
> at the very very end of the piece? In that case adding a 'blank' measure 
> might help?

NO, last time I ran into it it was mid way, the track just
hung on the last note played. Pretty sure it's related.
 


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

[krsgrdn]

Tue, 16 May 2023 09:38:18 +0100
chuck elliot  :

> I have experienced similar phenomena using external/physical synths while
> 
> Qsynth was also running. Even though the Qsynth midi output port was not 
> mapped to any
> 
> midi playback device or instrument within MIDI Device Manager in RG, 
> Qsynth was playing notes from tracks that were mapped
> 
> to my external synths. That struck me as anomalous behaviour but at the 
> time I just got round it by
> 
> turning the Qsynth volume down. Is it possibly to do with Jack settings 
> within RG/Qsynth where Jack is

I disable all automatic connections that I could find
and then connected all the synths I use to rosegarden.
This resulted in no sound at all, so next I also 
connected them to system and that seems to have fixed 
the problem (UFN).

Readable Hydrogen, qSynth & Yoshimi are all connected 
to Writable rosegarden & system

Readable rosegarden is connected to Writable system

Readable system is not connected 

I have no idea what other connections might have been 
made automatically under the suspected prefs actions.

Thanks!






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Re: [Rosegarden-user] 21.12 "Cloud Nine" segfaults on Sue-Leap-15.4

[krsgrdn]

Tue, 16 May 2023 10:34:49 -0400
Ted Felix  :

>There are three issues here.  Two are unrelated to the crash, but 
> I'll walk through them in case you want to fix them.
> 
>  > Cannot lock down 86611866 byte memory area (Cannot allocate memory)
>  > Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/5)(1: Operation not permitted)
>  > JackClient::AcquireSelfRealTime error
> 
>This indicates that you don't have permissions configured so that 
> JACK can run in real-time and lock down fixed memory areas to do its 
> job.  This isn't likely to be the cause of the crash you are 
> experiencing.  More likely it would cause audio glitches.  I have a 
> webpage that addresses this issue if you are interested in understanding 
> and fixing it:
> 
> http://tedfelix.com/linux/linux-midi.html

Thanks a gig for the detailed response.


# uname -a
Linux localhost.localdomain 6.2.10-1-default #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu Apr  6 
10:36:55 UTC 2023 (ba7816e) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

>  > [AlsaDriver] setCurrentTimer(): WARNING: using system timer with only 
>   > 250 Hz resolution!
> 
>This indicates that you are not running with a real-time kernel. 
> This can lead to latency and timing issues, but like the above, it's not 
> likely to cause a crash.  Again, my webpage above explains how to solve 
> this issue.

# grep ^CONFIG_HZ /boot/config-`uname -r`
CONFIG_HZ_250=y
CONFIG_HZ=250

So does this mean that I do have a low-latency but not real-time kernel?

The issue raised is encountered in Suse-Leap.
Rosegarden ran fine before so I presume all the 
configs WERE correct at one time, but usually 
after a number of upgrades the segfaults begin,
there is no crash, just no takeoff even.

Thanks for the ref, the second half is way over 
my head but I'll keep it for re-reading. Leap-15.5 
is out in a few weeks, a fresh install or upgrade 
might do the trick. It will be the last 'Leap' 
as it has been known.

  


 
>  > Segmentation fault (core dumped)
> 
>(Aside: It looks like you are running 22.12 which has a known crash. 
> However, it is a solid crash that would happen every time you launch 
> Rosegarden.  If yours is crashing only occasionally, you aren't 
> experiencing the known crash.)
> 
>This "Segmentation fault" is the real problem at hand and will 
> require some work to figure out.  Not sure how far you want to dig into 
> this.  Oftentimes it is the result of parts of your system that 
> Rosegarden depends on and there may be little you can do without 
> manually building and upgrading things.  It can definitely get ugly.
> 
>If you want to start digging into this one, you'll first need a debug 
> build of Rosegarden.  I think SUSE is one of the distros that (oddly) 
> ships Rosegarden built in debug mode.  That's good for figuring out 
> these sorts of issues.  (Bad for normal use, though.)
> 
>You'll need to find the core dump that was created when Rosegarden 
> crashed.  It's usually called core.#, where "#" is the process 
> ID.  If all is right with the world you can get a backtrace from gdb 
> using its "bt" command like this:
> 
> $ gdb rosegarden core.#
> (gdb) bt
> 
>You may need to track down the path for rosegarden and the core dump. 
>   You may also need to turn core dumps on (sometimes they are disabled 
> because they are huge and can fill your drive).
> 
>There's some old documentation on the wiki related to this:
> 
> https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/frequently_asked_questions?s[]=%2Agdb%2A#compilation_or_installation_problems
> 
>Let me know if you need more assistance.
> 
> Ted.
> 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

[krsgrdn]

Tue, 16 May 2023 08:27:17 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  :

> Hi,
> 
> On 16/05/2023 01:30, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I have two tracks with drum segments on each that I assign
> > to the Hydrogen drum synth. Problem is that the sound output
> > is not Hydrogen but Grand Piano form the GM synth, just
> > yesterday this changed to BOTH the grand AND the drum kit
> > sounds seemingly depending on the staff note.
> 
>  From what you describe it seems your two tracks are connected via ALSA 
> MIDI to both Hydrogen _and_ some General Midi Synth.

I can't put a finger on it, it seems LIKE after some 
playbacks qSynth is hogging partly or completely the 
midi output channel assigned to Hydrogen.

INITIALLY starting with just qjackctl, hydrogen 
and rosegarden.  no problem

Start with qjackctl, hydrogen, yoshimi and 
rosegarden. no problem

Start with just qjackctl, qSynth and rosegarden.
all drum tracks output General-Midi grand-piano 

Start with qjackctl, hydrogen, qSynth and rosegarden.
all drum tracks output grand-piano sound except if
qsynth is NOT given an output channel 

After another while it no longer matters if qSynth 
is or is not paired to an output channel, when this 
stage is reached closing qSyth is the only out.


> I'm assuming you are connecting to Hydrogen and the 'GM synth' 
> externally e.g. via QSynth? (i.e. not using DSSI within Rosegarden)

I use the ZynAddSubFX (ZASF) dssi. I 'think' that my use of
Hydrogen and qSynth and Yoshimi would be called 'external'.
I have hsit for brains when it comes to such jargon. 

I start qSynth because without it I get no GM sounds.  

Here's a typical setup, I tried to show as much as possible 
in one snapshot.

https://i.imgur.com/ST1XpY8.png

If my setup sucks I'd appreciate a step-by-step 
alternative. I usually use GM and ZASF-dssi sounds
after also having used 'external' ZynAddSubFX. I 
gave up the standalone Zyn because the dssi gives
the same sounds with ease of use since they are 
shown in the volume mixer. I'd love to see a 
Yoshimi-dssi but understand that one isn't coming.  


I'm not really 'using' Yoshimi yet, just getting warmed 
up to it with a view to having IT replace the Zyn dssi 
which is a total fubar (numbers are changing with every 
version change).






> Unfortunately the MIDI device manager (Studio > Manage MIDI Devices) 
> doesn't seem to report if a 'Playback' Rosegarden MIDI device is 
> connected to multiple ALSA inputs.
> 
> However you could check this with something like QJackCtl via its 
> connections tab (or graph in most recent versions is the default).
> 
> Here is a screenshot of how the connections could look like in a 
> situation which could be similar to what you describe, where Rosegarden 
> would be sending MIDI to both Fluidsynth with a general midi soundfont 
> and Hydrogen together, thus you hearing both sounds:
> 
> https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/a9PBRwnxWq1L.png?o=1

I ususally leave qJackctl do the auto connections, as
shown in the snapshot.



> > Is there a rosegarden 'upload' facility where I could
> > upload the *.rg file consisting of just these 2 tracks?
> 
> Not that I know of, but I think some file sharing and pasting the link 
> here would be OK.
> Still the RG file itself might not be helpful in understanding your 
> issue because it most probably depends on what Rosegarden's MIDI 
> 'output' is connecting to on your system (see above)

True, I'm starting to see that now, I was tryiong 
to erase the segment contents in vain until blue in 
the face!


 
> > I've had issues before with notes not ending/closing,
> > is there a way to start a new track but paste the entire
> > staff and NOTHING but the staff notes to it?
> 
> This seems unrelated to the 'synth problem' you describe? Could you 
> provide a bit more detail maybe?

I reported it way back when. A segment might 
just like hang on the last note played which 
then continues as one of infinite duration.
If you have many tracks going you might not 
even notice until you silence all tracks except
that one. It doesn't happen as much as it used 
to but I ran into it again a few weeks back. 
I think it could be related because if I remember
correctly it was usually the wrong instrument 
on top of it. Problem is that at 79 my memory,
still razor sharp, is no longer wider than the 
blade edge :-(

 


> Anyway from what I understand you have two options:
> 
> 1.
> To do what you describe I usually just copy / paste the segments 
> (possibly all of them) from a track to the new one. Or, even better, 
> clone them by doing CTRL + mouse-drag.
> 
> If you really want to make sure to get rid of anything but notes (and 
> maybe musical elements like clefs) you can open the segment in the list 
> editor. Select everything in the left-side filter except 'Notes' and 
> 'Other'. Do CTRL + A (i.e. select all), and then 'DEL' (delete everything).
> 
> 2.
> Actually when copy/pasting stuff this also works:
> - Select all notes in the notation or 

Re: [Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

[krsgrdn]

Tue, 16 May 2023 08:27:17 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  :

> Hi,
> 
> On 16/05/2023 01:30, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I have two tracks with drum segments on each that I assign
> > to the Hydrogen drum synth. Problem is that the sound output
> > is not Hydrogen but Grand Piano form the GM synth, just
> > yesterday this changed to BOTH the grand AND the drum kit
> > sounds seemingly depending on the staff note.
> 
>  From what you describe it seems your two tracks are connected via ALSA 
> MIDI to both Hydrogen _and_ some General Midi Synth.

Great response, much appreciated! Being no genius at
this a babylon of synths is a distinct possibility :-)
I'll look at it from this point of view tonight and 
provide more detail. 




> I'm assuming you are connecting to Hydrogen and the 'GM synth' 
> externally e.g. via QSynth? (i.e. not using DSSI within Rosegarden)
> 
> Unfortunately the MIDI device manager (Studio > Manage MIDI Devices) 
> doesn't seem to report if a 'Playback' Rosegarden MIDI device is 
> connected to multiple ALSA inputs.
> 
> However you could check this with something like QJackCtl via its 
> connections tab (or graph in most recent versions is the default).
> 
> Here is a screenshot of how the connections could look like in a 
> situation which could be similar to what you describe, where Rosegarden 
> would be sending MIDI to both Fluidsynth with a general midi soundfont 
> and Hydrogen together, thus you hearing both sounds:
> 
> https://gcdnb.pbrd.co/images/a9PBRwnxWq1L.png?o=1
> 
> [...]
> 
> > 
> > Is there a rosegarden 'upload' facility where I could
> > upload the *.rg file consisting of just these 2 tracks?
> 
> Not that I know of, but I think some file sharing and pasting the link 
> here would be OK.
> Still the RG file itself might not be helpful in understanding your 
> issue because it most probably depends on what Rosegarden's MIDI 
> 'output' is connecting to on your system (see above)
> 
> > 
> > I've had issues before with notes not ending/closing,
> > is there a way to start a new track but paste the entire
> > staff and NOTHING but the staff notes to it?
> 
> This seems unrelated to the 'synth problem' you describe? Could you 
> provide a bit more detail maybe?
> Anyway from what I understand you have two options:
> 
> 1.
> To do what you describe I usually just copy / paste the segments 
> (possibly all of them) from a track to the new one. Or, even better, 
> clone them by doing CTRL + mouse-drag.
> 
> If you really want to make sure to get rid of anything but notes (and 
> maybe musical elements like clefs) you can open the segment in the list 
> editor. Select everything in the left-side filter except 'Notes' and 
> 'Other'. Do CTRL + A (i.e. select all), and then 'DEL' (delete everything).
> 
> 2.
> Actually when copy/pasting stuff this also works:
> - Select all notes in the notation or matrix editor. Copy (e.g. CTRL + C)
> - Now go to the main window (segment / track view).
> - Select the desired target track
> - Paste
> 
> In this case AFAIK only notes are pasted (e.g. I'm quite sure Control 
> changes are not...)
> 
> If you do it like this, do be careful of where the playhead is because 
> this is where the first note will be pasted and if that not is _not_ at 
> the start of the segment you will most probably have a mis-aligned 
> segment ;-) - YMMV
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Lorenzo
> 
> 
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> > 
> > 
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[Rosegarden-user] wrong synth on segment

[krsgrdn]

Hello,

I have two tracks with drum segments on each that I assign 
to the Hydrogen drum synth. Problem is that the sound output 
is not Hydrogen but Grand Piano form the GM synth, just 
yesterday this changed to BOTH the grand AND the drum kit
sounds seemingly depending on the staff note.

{Suse-Tumbleweed & Rosegarden-22.12.1-2.1}

Is there a rosegarden 'upload' facility where I could 
upload the *.rg file consisting of just these 2 tracks?

I've had issues before with notes not ending/closing,
is there a way to start a new track but paste the entire 
staff and NOTHING but the staff notes to it?

TIA

   

  


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[Rosegarden-user] 21.12 "Cloud Nine" segfaults on Sue-Leap-15.4

[krsgrdn]

I've raised this issue on the Suse mailing list but have been unable to resolve 
it. It has been happening on and off over the years with Suse and with vaguely 
similar error messages, the last two (one right after the other) being:


~ # rosegarden
Cannot lock down 86611866 byte memory area (Cannot allocate memory)
Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/5)(1: Operation not permitted)
JackClient::AcquireSelfRealTime error
[AlsaDriver] setCurrentTimer(): WARNING: using system timer with only  250 Hz 
resolution!
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
~ # rosegarden
Cannot connect to server socket err = Connection refused
Cannot connect to server request channel
jackdmp 1.9.12
Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others.
Copyright 2004-2016 Grame.
Copyright 2016-2017 Filipe Coelho.
jackdmp comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it
under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details
Cannot create RT messagebuffer thread: Operation not permitted (1)
Retrying messagebuffer thread without RT scheduling
Messagebuffer not realtime; consider enabling RT scheduling for user
no message buffer overruns
Cannot create RT messagebuffer thread: Operation not permitted (1)
Retrying messagebuffer thread without RT scheduling
Messagebuffer not realtime; consider enabling RT scheduling for user
no message buffer overruns
Cannot create RT messagebuffer thread: Operation not permitted (1)
Retrying messagebuffer thread without RT scheduling
Messagebuffer not realtime; consider enabling RT scheduling for user
no message buffer overruns
JACK server starting in realtime mode with priority 10
self-connect-mode is "Don't restrict self connect requests"
Cannot lock down 86611866 byte memory area (Cannot allocate memory)
audio_reservation_init
Acquire audio card Audio0
creating alsa driver ... hw:II|hw:II|1024|2|48000|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
configuring for 48000Hz, period = 1024 frames (21.3 ms), buffer = 2 periods
ALSA: final selected sample format for capture: 32bit integer little-endian
ALSA: use 2 periods for capture
ALSA: final selected sample format for playback: 32bit integer little-endian
ALSA: use 2 periods for playback
Cannot use real-time scheduling (RR/10)(1: Operation not permitted)
AcquireSelfRealTime error
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
~ # 








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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Posting etiquette (Was Re: SysEx banks? - Errata)

[krsgrdn]

On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 12:49:28 -0700
mark_at_yahoo via Rosegarden-user  wrote:

> On 9/7/22 9:28 AM, Andrew S wrote:
> 
> > I used to religiously quote and post at the bottom (avoid top posting).  
> > But then landed in a corporate environment where all of the (hundreds) of 
> > my coworkers had **absolutely no clue** about bottom posting, and had no 
> > notion of "top posting" and why that's a bad thing.
> 
> I've "tilted at the windmill" of top-posting for 30 years. It's 
> hopeless. Even repeated lectures to my extremely intelligent and 
> educated (but non-technical) friends has little effect because they've 
> been so brainwashed by the horror that is Microsoft Outlook. They nod 
> their heads in understanding, interleave for one or two emails, and then 
> slip back into old habits.
> 
> Back in the Usenet newsgroup era, when bandwidth at the kilobyte level 
> was actually significant, insufficiently trimmed replies would bring 
> scathing castigation raining down upon the offending poster. At least 
> until the combined blows of "Eternal September" and Canter/Siegel began 
> the decades-long agonizing death of the newsgroup system. Before that 
> the only thing to worry about was self referential computer nerd 
> meta-humor like the alt.quote-me (the "self-archiving" newsgroup where 
> all posts were encouraged to bottom-post all previous ones) and 
> alt.me-too (the only allowed reply was, "Me too!") (the canonical 
> response to the canonical Usenet question, "Where can I find some good 
> porn FTP servers?") newsgroups. Ah, the good old days.
> 
> Maybe Rosegarden-user and -devel can be bastions of hope in this 
> otherwise bleak netiquette landscape.

How true, how true. Would YOU happen to remember if at one time it was 
acceptable to attach small images to usenet posts or am I confusing it with 
compuserve where it all began for me? I do remember attachements and also that 
users-at-large (beleive it or not) were exercising restraint and the system 
worked well enough thank you. I've already suggested to usenet providers like 
giganews to gang up and take back usenet, maybe with equally limited very small 
ads to finance things and very small attachments to balanve the ads, but to no 
avail. Thinking of the top posting and "of spelling incapable" texto crowd, it 
might be just as well.

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[Rosegarden-user] irritating bug/mistake/misuse

[krsgrdn]

I have a long standing issue that isn't going away and I'd like to know if I'm 
the one screwing something up or if it's a bug.

A track is assigned to the Zynaddsubfx dssi (ZASF) plugin as instrument 811 
(Dark Strings). When I start playback (a real PITA if recording) instead of 
Dark Strings I hear this horrible distortion noise. If I leave the track muted 
and unmute it a good few bars later then usually the problem has gone away, but 
if I try to click playback back to the beginning (with jack_capture running and 
recording) then it's there again! I haven't been able to isolate if only Zyn or 
only Dark-Strings do this.

I have uploaded a single track RG file (bad-strings.rg) in hopes that someone 
more familiar might spot the cause, I've been running into this on and off and 
living with it for years.

https://tinyurl.com/2s3jumy7

TIA



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] to Zyn or to Yoshi?

[krsgrdn]

On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 13:17:06 -0400
krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

> Seen the video and read some pro comments about Yoshimi which I have never 
> used before. For the sake of experience I want to load both of them to use 
> with rosegarden. Is there anything that says one cannot be used concurrently 
> with the other as well as with hydrogen, and qsynth/fluidsynth to name just 
> two?  I've started working on an ab-initio doc surrounding but not limited to 
> RG (did another a long time ago that's gone obsolete, it was about some usb 
> interface). What are the practically significant differences between them? 
> This project could take the rest of the year seeing that I have a million 
> other things to do  :-(
> 
> ciao

https://tinyurl.com/4xtzhsm9

PLEASE, any CONSTRUCTIVE suggestion is welcome, one per exercise # so that I 
don't get even more confused than I already is

 

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[Rosegarden-user] to Zyn or to Yoshi?

[krsgrdn]

Seen the video and read some pro comments about Yoshimi which I have never used 
before. For the sake of experience I want to load both of them to use with 
rosegarden. Is there anything that says one cannot be used concurrently with 
the other as well as with hydrogen, and qsynth/fluidsynth to name just two?  
I've started working on an ab-initio doc surrounding but not limited to RG (did 
another a long time ago that's gone obsolete, it was about some usb interface). 
What are the practically significant differences between them? This project 
could take the rest of the year seeing that I have a million other things to do 
 :-(

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] OT: My (new) sig (was: Re: Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?)

[krsgrdn]

On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 11:45:34 -0400
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Sunday, June 12, 2022 04:37:03 PM krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 08:07:01 -0400 
> > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> > > Thinking about it -- I don't have a sig, I might make that my sig.
> > > 
> > > I'm thinking about how to incorporate into it that very short videos (15
> > > to 60 seconds, with a minimum of "chatter" by the narrator / "host") can
> > > be useful in some cases.  (Just tell me (either in written text or in
> > > the first 5 seconds what I should be seeing, then show me, maybe
> > > summarize or repeat in slow(er) motion.
> 
> Just wanted to try this out, an early attempt at a sig -- I will probably 
> continue to "wordsmith" it (I've made several variations already).
> 
> Oh, I'm waiting for someone to ask about the Oxford comma -- when they do, 
> I'll point out that one company lost $10M due to a missing Oxford comma (I 
> can 
> provide a link to that -- I don't know if the case has been appealed to the 
> Supreme Court), and missing Oxford commas may lead to cannabalism (didn't 
> look 
> for a link to that one -- judicious googling may lead to the humorous 
> examples 
> (I assume none are true ;-) that involve someone getting eaten or such.
> 
> -- 
> A picture (or sketch, diagram, or chart) is worth a thousand words -- divide 
> by 10 for each minute of (or audio) -- or, where feasible, create a 
> transcript 
> and edit it to 10% of the original!  (Oxford comma included in this sig at no 
> charge.)

Good luck, the concept is not easy to signaturize :-)

You can have as many sigs as you like BTW and keep rotating them, or even QUOTE 
others'.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?

[krsgrdn]

On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 08:07:01 -0400
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Saturday, June 11, 2022 07:53:13 PM krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 14:31:36 -0400
> > 
> > rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > A picture or sketch is worth a thousand words, but divide that by 10 for
> > > each minute of video ;-)
> > 
> > I love this one! Can I plagiarize it?
> 
> Sure.  (I'm flattered :-)
> 
> Someday I might try to claim credit for originating it (I'm a legend in my 
> own 
> mind ;-), , but for now, don't worry about attribution.
> 
> If it spreads as a meme, and somehow contributes to better documentation 
> (everywhere), that would be wonderful.
> 
> Thinking about it -- I don't have a sig, I might make that my sig.
> 
> I'm thinking about how to incorporate into it that very short videos (15 to 
> 60 
> seconds, with a minimum of "chatter" by the narrator / "host") can be useful 
> in some cases.  (Just tell me (either in written text or in the first 5 
> seconds 
> what I should be seeing, then show me, maybe summarize or repeat in slow(er) 
> motion.

I was very lucky in my youth to have two aunts who were teachers, then later I 
did some technical training myself. Learned a long time ago that you have to 
open stating WHAT you are going to teach, HOW you are going to teach it, and at 
every step the student has to know without any doubt exactly where s/he is in 
that process with a short review that gets longer. That said, I also had some 
other teachers that I NEVER forgot (I'm 78 so there were many): one of them 
(Communicaton Arts) began by saying "Today ladies and gentlemen you are going 
to learn the importance of brevity", he thereupon took of his specs, closed his 
binder, and walked out of the auditorium :-







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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Documentation, tutorials, videos? [WAS]: Re: Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?

[krsgrdn]

On Sat, 11 Jun 2022 14:31:36 -0400
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:


> A picture or sketch is worth a thousand words, but divide that by 10 for each 
> minute of video ;-)

I love this one! Can I plagiarize it?

90% of the videos are poor resolution, often done by people who think that the 
eyes of the world are on youtube and that sucking your teeth makes good 
diction. Plus, frankly, the ground to cover is way beyond the texto/video croud 
bandwidth. I'm all for good printable docs but things are changing so fast that 
it has to be dynamic, somehow. 

If I might add another generalization, it's that we are often confronted with 
skillfully erected tutorials that explain how to land on mars whereas we first 
need to know how to reach escape velocity in earth orbit. For a long time I 
kept getting thrown by the idea that rosegarden never could make a sound on its 
own. Now I know that it needs fluidsynth and that to use fluidsynh "I" need 
qsynth. What I get stuck on these days is more likely to be qjackctl 
'connections' which presume that users know how to connect equivalent midi 
hardware. Well, wrong again, I don't have much hardware either except my 
computer and a soundcard and have never seen how a midi RealDevice gets 
connected to anything.

'nuff rant, cheers!  



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to set up standalone Zyn or Yoshimi

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On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 21:50:43 -0700
prad  wrote:

> krsg...@trixtar.org writes:
> 
> > Thanks, I looked at it and I sometimes lurk on that forum too but my
> > problems are before that stage so to speak. Found the Yoshimi.rgd but
> > I have no ~/.local/share/rosegarden/library folder to put it into.
> >
> were you working from the terminal or a file manager (eg nautilus,
> thunar).
> if a file manager, you may need to have it show hidden files or ~/.local
> won't be visible.
> if it is a terminal, then
> ls -a
> will show all the hidden directories and hopefully there is a ~/.local there.
> 
> that failing there should be at least a
> ~/.config/

They're both there alright, my file-managers are always set to show everything, 
what ticks ME off is _dialogs_ that don't default to show-all. 

The thing is that there's rosegardenmusic folder under .config and it has a 
rosegarden.conf in it but nothing else. The .local/share/rosegarden folder is 
there too and all it has is an autosave folder in it. So I created a 
.local/share/rosegarden/library folder and copied the yoshimi.rgd into it. 
There is however a /usr/share/rosegarden/library/yoshimi.rgd of the same size 
(presumably the same file). Alas all this is not where the bug lives. Unlike 
Dave's case, my bug doesn't clear itself :-( 

On Leap-15.3 I can't start Yoshimi AT ALL, but that's another thread to be.

> 
> may be you can find
> ~/.config/rosegarden/library
> 
> or you can run from your terminal:
> locate rosegarden/library
> and that should give you any rosegarden/library if it exists.
> (it certainly did for me)
> 
> there must be a rosegarden/library, unless suse sets up rg in some sort
> of strange way.


Yeh, they do a lot of things in strange ways but Leap is still my go2 system, 
that might change though.  Sometimes I wonder why distro devs can't just leave 
everything exactly as the application dev intended and set up, but no-one ever 
asks me what "I" think :-))


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How to set up standalone Zyn or Yoshimi

[krsgrdn]

On Wed, 08 Jun 2022 18:09:40 -0700
prad  wrote:

> krsg...@trixtar.org writes:
> 
> 
> > Once I solve this I want to try the standalone Yoshimi
> >
> don't know if this is of any help to you, krsgrdn, but i have just had
> some success with rg and yoshimi after considerable fiddling (due to my
> own ignorance about all this). i posted how i did it on linuxmusicians:
> https://linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=64=24573=145728#p145728

Thanks, I looked at it and I sometimes lurk on that forum too but my problems 
are before that stage so to speak. Found the Yoshimi.rgd but I have no 
~/.local/share/rosegarden/library folder to put it into. I'm working with Suse 
Tumbleweed right now using Yoshimi-2.2.0 and rosegarden-22.06 which are both 
bleeding-edge. So, following my usual procedure 

1 start qjackctl
2 start qsynth
3 start yoshimi standalone

I can fiddle with yoshimi and even load a patch and play its virtual keyboard. 
I could do exactly the same with Zybaddsubfx standalone but will now just keep 
things simple, so

4 start rosegarden

In the qjackctl 'connect' window Yoshimi is connected to system, I also connect 
it to rosegarden (probably not needed). 

As a result there is no trace of yoshimi anything in rosegarden. The rosegarden 
"Manage MIDI Devices" window shows only a single General MIDI entry in the left 
Playback window and in MIDI-Outputs only two input ports as being available: 
129:0 Synth-Input and 14:0 Midi-Through. There SHOULD be another port there for 
each standalone synth started, such as yoshimi OR zynadsubfx, as soon as I 
start Yoshimi but there isn't. THIS is my problem at this point (as far as I 
can tell).



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?

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On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:31:26 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

> I'm wondering if, maybe after the next release, it would make sense to 
> have some addendums to the current documentation which in some cases 
> might be a bit dated, e.g. advising to use plugins, with especially DSSI 
> not being the most maintained in distributions. Even the more 'current' 
> formats like videos? I think this should be a user community effort and 
> I always wondered if they'd be useful or not...

I second that, but I also understand the devs' dilema i.e. to code or to 
explain?

What I do notice often is that a really valiant effort is made to teach landing 
on Mars without first showing how to hit escape-velocity back here in Earth 
orbit before leaving, if you know what I mean :-)))

Case in point, qjackctl: the assumption seems to be made that users are already 
familiar with hardware connections. "I" have NEVER connected any hardware other 
than my guitar fx_board into the sound-card 1/4" Line-In jack, so when "I" look 
at that fancy connections graph I wear the remaining hear of my head scratching 
it. TOTALLY lost, guesswork from beginning to end! 

My 2 cents, LOVE rosegarden btw.

 



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[Rosegarden-user] Yoshimi-dssi, does it exist?

[krsgrdn]

Making some progress w. Yoshimi, still gotta get eyes on the manual though. I 
got the standalone syth installed and making sound with the keyboard, want to 
try the dssi too... IF exists.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?

[krsgrdn]

On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 15:45:58 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

> Hi all,
> ...
> The key question, though, is: would it make sense to support LV2 if then 
> user's aren't able to 'generate' (i.e. save as, say, a WAV file), the 
> final result of their musical masterpiece made in Rosegarden?

1
I've been using jack_capture (just # jack_capture is the command) to save RG 
replay as .wav file
 
2
If carla really is a dssi plugin-manager supporting just about everything then 
I'm all for it (but I don't know how to load it into RG as a plugin itself, 
can't find much user guidance for carla, and carla seems unavailable on Devuan 
for example).

3
prad asked at one point if standalone/plugin. I found this:
https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/studio-plugins.html
"Using a synth plugin gives you somewhat better control and repeatability than 
using an external MIDI device, because Rosegarden will be able to load the 
correct plugins for you and use the correct settings the next time you load 
your same file. Plugins may also offer better timing resolution than external 
MIDI devices, and synth plugin instruments have the advantage of being routable 
like audio instruments, which also means you can add effects plugins on top of 
them."

I presume that *external MIDI devices* refers to standalone hardware OR soft 
synths? If plying a project through many consecutive sessions to get it done 
then the plugin settings being saved and reloaded each time is a distinct and 
huge benefit from my point of view.




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?

[krsgrdn]

On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 22:25:40 +0100
chuck elliot  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> Pipewire claims to be a replacement for both jack and pulseaudio

Seems that it only PLANS to be a replacement. On Suse-Leap the package manager 
very nicely installs everything you want with 'pipewire' in it but that also 
means that Pulse audio has to be deleted but with that the PAVU control panel 
is NOT replaced by any equal or superior Pipewire version. That is, the Pulse 
panel is still there but it's all ghosted and doesn't do anything. 

> and provides drop-in replacements for programs that expect either to
> be present. It also claims to be low-latency. My distro (Fedora)
> moved to Pipewire a few updates ago and I hardly noticed. I usually
> route fluidsynth through alsa so I haven't tried rg via Pipewire but
> I'll give the pulseaudio drop-in a tryout. If, as it claims, pw is to
> be the standard Linux sound/media server (it does video too), then I
> guess rg should have a good look at it...



Seconded

 
> I have no view on LV2.

I also tried carla but could't get anywhere with it. Where does one set it up 
in RG "as a plugin" (per carla docs)?



> Regards,
> 
> Chuck Elliot.
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[Rosegarden-user] How to set up standalone Zyn or Yoshimi

[krsgrdn]

I have no problem with the Zyn-dssi plugin (at least not on Suse Leap which I'm 
working with at this point). But because using a standalone synth APP 
apparently is more efficient and CPU friendly I want to do that again, as I had 
done in the past. But I can't.

Starting qjackctl, qSynth, Zyn and Rosegarden all work in that order. The 
standalone Zyn synth puts out sound on its own, qSynth is using  a soundfonts 
list and a midi score edit in RG sounds ok also.  Problem is that in Manage 
MIDI Devices available midi-output channels list there is only 129:0 Synth 
Input and it is already used by the General MIDI Device sending to it. In the 
past there used to be an additional channel for every standalone synth in that 
same list but in RG-19.06 they're NOT there. 

What has changed or what am I doing wrong?

Once I solve this I want to try the standalone Yoshimi also but it's not usable 
with Leap-15.3 because it cannot find libreadline.so.8 (libreadline7 is 
installed). With Yoshimi I'd have no choice because there's no Yoshimi-dssi 
package in Suse, only a zynaddsubfx-dssi and some others but no Yoshimi-dssi.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Do we want LV2 and jack-midi?

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On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 15:45:58 +0200
Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> As a new release approaches, I think one of the latest threads about 
> synths, jack (midi) etc. re-prompts the longstanding questions:
> 
> 1. do we want LV2 in Rosegarden?
> 2. do we want Jack-MIDI?
> 
> IMHO (and with an updated perspective compared to my opinions in the past):
> 
> 1. I think on the one hand this would be great because LV2 is the 
> current de-facto standard on Linux and would open up many possibilities 
> if integrated natively.
> The key question, though, is: would it make sense to support LV2 if then 
> user's aren't able to 'generate' (i.e. save as, say, a WAV file), the 
> final result of their musical masterpiece made in Rosegarden?
> I'm thinking of software like Ardour, Qtractor and LMMS (the latter 
> notably also not supporting LV2 yet), which are potentially 
> self-contained in that you add/use plugins, and when done export to a 
> final audio file.
> If Rosegarden were to support LV2 it should also support audio export of 
> the final result, otherwise it would mostly generate user frustration.
> Self-contained in audio is a double-edged sword which easy becomes 
> obsolete when relying on plugins which will eventually be un-maintained 
> or become incompatible (this applies also outside the Linux ecosystem - 
> think RTAS or DirectX).
> 
> 2. jack-midi feels like a higher priority. Why? Because it would allow 
> to e.g. connect to jack-midi applications like Carla (multi-format 
> plugin host) or Ardour (to name a couple) and better support modularity 
> within the current Linux ecosystem where it seems that ALSA Midi is 
> considered to be deprecated. True there is a2j but that's really a bit 
> of a work-around.
> 
> My two (user-oriented) cents and would be interesting to hear other 
> opinions.
> 
> 
> Lorenzo.

As a somewhat south of average user (at 78 I have given up on learning too many 
new tricks) I hear that Pipewire is
poised to deplace pulse AND jack, for whatever that might mean to devs/users 
(means nothing to me unless it, unlike a fly on the monitor, makes a sound when 
I stab it with mouse arrow and click on it).








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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi plugins vs soft synths vs synth plugins

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On Sun, 05 Jun 2022 12:04:18 -0700
prad  wrote:
> krsg...@trixtar.org writes:

> > Yes, using the Zyn plugin (I see NO Yoshimi), if I select #155 Lite Guitar 
> > then I can tinker with the following in RG (don't know if all instruments 
> > have these or not)
> >
> interesting!
> i can't seem to find a zyn plugin, though i did install zynaddsub.
> it looks like it should work the same way as yoshimi.
> i like zyn's interface, but read that the documentation is i bit
> scattered.

There are also some copyright changes, haven't looked lately. But regardless 
there are so many inconsistencies that I'm beginning to think that 
'flatpacking' is the future :-)

The ZynAddSubFX plugins (sometimes called ZASF in RG) don't automatically 
install with the installation of the standalone ZynAddSubFX as I had assumed 
for a long time. In some cases you need a literal ZybAddSubFX-dssi package, in 
others just their global dssi, it's a whorehouse. I don't use Pipewire YET so 
to get a session going I launch qJackctl 1st, THEN qSynth (which gives vocal 
chords to RG), then some other stuff like maybe Hydrogen2, and __finally__ RG. 
I also rotatate using 5 different distros and they do NOT behave the same way!

It's with Suse Leap & Tumbleweed that "I" have had the fewest 'studio' problems 
at this point in time, sans prejudice. So taking that as a basis 

- Right click on the 1st track header in RG and select Synth Plugin #1

- In the left Instrument-Params/Synth-Plugin-#1 window observe the "No Synth" 
(selected) button

- Click it and with the dropdown button labelled (none) select ZynAddSubFX

- The above Synth-Plugin-#1 plugin button is now labelled ZASF

- Clicking it brings up the Zyn instrument selector dialog 

Under ALL my systems (below) in RG the standalone ZynAddSubFX does NOT get a 
port in the RG/Midi-Devices Manager window. 129:0 & 14:0 are the only ports 
shown and I use them for Gen-Midi Synth input and Midi-Through respectively.

Under Suse Leap: https://i.imgur.com/DCRogWF.png
No (other) issues The Zyn plugin is usable in RG. 

Under Suse-Tumbleweed: https://i.imgur.com/yjvbX3X.png
Everything (else) comes together perfect. 

Under Artix: https://i.imgur.com/zcanGBh.png
I'me happy with Arttix BUT.. qSynth hang-locks on launch. Standalone Zyn starts 
but qjackctl refuses to connect it. Upon trying to open the RG file created in 
the Leap exercise with RG, it starts with an alert "Plugins not found" for ZASF 
(from libzynaddsubfx_dssi.iso). Nor is the plugin there as in the Leap 
exercise. So this exercise goes no further at this time (dssi-1.1.1-11 is 
installed, nothing else with dssi in it avails).

Under Devuan: https://i.imgur.com/jUWYyyy.png
Everything (else) comes together as it's supposed to, similar to Suse 

Under Slackware: https://i.imgur.com/NNdZuFC.png
qjackctl start fine, BUT qsynth fails to create audio driver jack, the 
temporary RG file opens with RG and the ZASF plugin is there as it should be.


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] midi plugins vs soft synths vs synth plugins

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On Fri, 03 Jun 2022 18:03:44 -0700
prad  wrote:

> krsg...@trixtar.org writes:
> 
> >> what is the recommended|prefered way to get sound in rg?
> >
> > I had used the ZynnAddSubFX standalone software synth as well as the
> > equivalent ZAFS plugin and found that I had fewer issues when using
> > the plugin. But I don't know how a Yoshimi plugin would work out or if
> > such actually exists. For example all the plugins used from inside RG
> > will show up in one volume control window with the settings saved with
> > the RG file, unfortunately excluding general midi.  I haven't tinkered
> > with RG for about a year so this could well be outdated. HTH.
> >
> i just got yoshimi working as a standalone.
> it is an LV2 plugin, but i don't think rg supports that.
> 
> linuxsampler shows up a plugin, but i haven't been able to do anything
> with it yet.
> 
> haven't looked at the manual for either, so ... there is hope.
> 
> the problem with yoshimi is that i have to set everything outside rg.
> i presume that with a plugin, from what you say, the instruments and
> controls will all be accessible from rg.

I put the message back on list we. copy to you, sorry about that mess


I never used the params in the plugin before so I had tyo load RG to see.

Yes, using the Zyn plugin (I see NO Yoshimi), if I select #155 Lite Guitar 
then I can tinker with the following in RG (don't know if all instruments have 
these or not)

Modwheel
Volume
Panning
Expression
Sustain
Portamento
Filter
Filter Cutoff
Bandwidth
FM Amplification
Renonance Center
Resonance Bandwith

HTH

All of which is chinese to me, I might try sustain next time.
All of my meager music efforts were made with Rosegarden
https://www.youtube.com/user/clipmagician/videos
 
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> In friendship,
> prad
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Audio File Location Issue

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On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 21:09:04 -0500
Ted Felix  wrote:

>To solve the audio file location issue (i.e. why is everything always 
> just dumped in ~/rosegarden), I was thinking we could have a dialog pop 
> up when saving with audio files for the first time.  It would ask where 
> you would like the audio files saved and provide the following options:
> 
> - To an "audio" directory where the document is saved.  (./audio)
>(Recommended.)  (default)
> 
> - To a directory named after the document in the directory where the
>document is saved.  (./document name)
> 
> - To the same directory where the document is saved.  (.)
> 
> - To a central audio file repository. (~/rosegarden-audio)
> 
>It might also have a "go with this from now on" option to avoid 
> showing the dialog ever again.
> 
>I think this (along with switching to 
> "~/.local/share/rosegarden/audio" for audio files before saving) would 
> satisfy all the issues described in the bugs and feature requests 
> related to audio paths:
> 
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/bugs/1283/
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/494/
> https://sourceforge.net/p/rosegarden/feature-requests/495/
> 
>Any objections before I dig into this?  The pop-up at save time is 
> the most annoying thing, but you really only need to configure it for 
> your preferred way of working once and that will be the default from 
> then on.
> 
> Ted.


I wouldn't object to anything you do for us users but it so 
happens that the topic touches on some of my favs, so
I use kdenlive a lot together wit RG and havre seen many 
improvements by way of 'relativised' local file repo paths. 
So first and foremost please never use absolute paths when 
that can be avoided.

Another irritant I too often run into which forces me into 
clickathons to get where I wanna be is the one of opening
every path dialogue to user /home/~. I and many people use
totally remoted directories for projects of every sort, like 
on another drive sitting on the neignbours piano, so that I 
hardly EVER set foot in my user home folder. This also protects
me and the system from ever stepping on each other. Overall
the best way to handle THIS issue is to allow prefs to point 
to a desired 'base' parent folder, options here including
dynamic ones like 'the last one used', etc. And as far as 
prefs, all settings should really be in that one place IMHO.
Kdenlive still misses out on this but othrwise they have 
improved a lot, if you have time take a look at how they allow 
placeholding and recursive searches to find what was there 
before but cannot be found anymore in the fog of war :-)  
They still open some dialogs in ~ unfortunately.

Otherwise, as for the location of audio files I try to 
keep all files, and not just RG, in a project folder
wich may be something like somepath/songs/john-e-b-goode
so when stuff gets parked elsewhere I have to go and
copy/paste it into the project tree. Firefox offers a dialog 
for every save (if you want), here again the last path used 
can be close enough a shorten any looming clickathon.

'nuff rant, have a happy new 2022!







 



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Challenge: make a christmas song using Rosegarden

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On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 16:50:42 +
Patrick May  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I was thinking it'd be fun if we on the rosegarden-user mailing list all 
> challenged ourselves to write a christmas song in Rosegarden, and post 
> it on the mailing list by the 20th of December.
> 
> What do you think?

Today's the 11th, pretty much the 11th hour, just too tight IMHO. The idea is 
good because such a song can always snowball and take RG to unprecedented 
heights (remember auld lang syne). I'm not up to the musical end of it but if 
anyone wants I can offer up existing lyrics (Creative-Commons). I made my own 
Christmas card with it. It all began in 1970 or 71 when just out for a walk 
around vernal equinox I saw a small evergreen and took it's picture letting it 
frame an out of focus wintry scene on the snow. Thought it would make a nice 
card, a few years later completed with the words. I'm not going to spam the 
list but will attach it on request to anyone :-)

Merry Christmas to all who celebrate it btw, certainly to the devs whose work 
has brought me so much enjoyment over the years!





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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Some Crashes Identified

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Thank you Dave, I created a Suse Live-USB which fails to  
boot either of my machines. Also tried that jack_capture
switch without success (nothing happens, maybe more needs
to be set?). The AvLinux download is a snail's pace, 
defered for now...

But I ain't giving up yet :-)

 


On Wed, 06 Oct 2021 18:02:41 -1000
"David W. Jones"  wrote:

> 
> 
> Well, I suggested trying a live distro like AV-Linux just to see if the same 
> problem happened there. I've used AV-Linux to get working audio configs for 
> problem systems because it seems to handle audio better than standard distros 
> like Debian or Ubuntu.
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Some Crashes Identified

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I'm in the middle of a huge guitar chord chart project and am too busy for 
TS-ing but took a quick lap just now. I used AV-Linux for a long time but when 
Devuan came out it monopolized my Debian-fork allotment and I had given up on 
the 'buntuStudio when I first tried it around the 12 mark. It was full of bugs 
and the 'buntu way with the desktop or things isn't really my cup of tea. But 
Devuan is working just fine BTW, at least for my non-developer modest needs :-)

Jack may be involved in these RG crashes, the desktop isn't, I tried Plasma as 
well as XFCE, same crashes. If RG is already running then starting either 
jack_capture OR Audacity crashes it regardless of whether qjackctl uses the 
pajackconnect.bsh scripts or not. Starting RG after these works out OK but 
unlike Audacity jack_capture creates a file from the moment it's started so 
that's not very practical, nonetheless it's exactly what I do when I need it. 
Both Suse installations and Devuan behave identical so it isn't systemd either. 
My Slackware-14.2 fails to boot as it will not recognize my new usb gaming 
keyboard, while Artix is too new and over my head, I don't even know how to 
update it. So there is what I can offer today.

 



 

On Tue, 5 Oct 2021 18:45:09 -1000
david  wrote:

> Well, ages ago, I tried Devuan on a machine. Installed but wouldn't run. 
> So I've never looked at it again.
> 
> Have you tried booting your system using a live USB of one of the 
> audio/media type distros like Ubuntu Studio or AV Linux and seeing if 
> the same problem happens in those? They should already come equipped 
> with the applications you use.
> 
> On 9/29/21 3:47 AM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > Suse is my go2 but I'm getting my feet wet
> > with Devuan partly because of this. I use
> > RG, qjckctl, qsynth, jack_capture, Audacity
> > and sometimes Zynn standalone as well as Hydrogen.
> > Having amongst others a Suse-Leap and a Tumbleweed
> > installation I used to just boot the other one
> > whenever any problem arose with running all of
> > the above. This has been happening with increasing
> > frequency and the other day neither one allowed
> > me a half decent session. So just maybe the problem
> > is not with RG, I really have noo idea..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 17:38:32 -1000
> > david  wrote:
> >
> >> Hmm, RG 21.12 here on Debian (Buster). No crashes from RG when using
> >> jack_capture or Audacity to record. Note: I don't use RG for audio, so
> >> I'm not opening an audio track from within RG.
> >> Not helpful, but maybe fuel some ideas?
> >>
> >> On 9/28/21 10:32 AM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> >>> RG crashes on me every time I start jack_capture or Audacity
> >>> (Suse Leap-15.3/Tumbleweed), don't know why, so what I do
> >>> when I need these others is I first save the RG project
> >>> then start them before restarting RG
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 21:02:18 +0100
> >>> Will Godfrey  wrote:
> >>>
>  Firt off, I work entirely in the matrix editor, and recently I've been 
>  spending
>  a lot of time working on, and heavily editing, multi-track projects.
> 
>  I will frequently open segment windows on several different tracks at 
>  the same
>  time, and also different segments on the *same* track. I'll often hold 
>  these
>  open, and just push them to the back of the stack when not actually 
>  managing.
>  On my system Rosegarden always seems to open these at exactly the same 
>  position
>  so it's very easy to forget what you've got open.
> 
>  If you now delete one of the segments from the matrix window or move it 
>  to
>  another track. There is a high chance you'll either get a crash 
>  immediately, or
>  (more confusingly) the next time you hit 'Play'. The same applies if you 
>  join
>  two segments on the same track when both have a window open.
> 
>  My suggestion is to check for any open windows on the relevant segments 
>  and
>  close them before such delete/move/join operations.
> 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Some Crashes Identified

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Suse is my go2 but I'm getting my feet wet
with Devuan partly because of this. I use
RG, qjckctl, qsynth, jack_capture, Audacity 
and sometimes Zynn standalone as well as Hydrogen. 
Having amongst others a Suse-Leap and a Tumbleweed 
installation I used to just boot the other one 
whenever any problem arose with running all of 
the above. This has been happening with increasing 
frequency and the other day neither one allowed 
me a half decent session. So just maybe the problem
is not with RG, I really have noo idea..






On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 17:38:32 -1000
david  wrote:

> Hmm, RG 21.12 here on Debian (Buster). No crashes from RG when using 
> jack_capture or Audacity to record. Note: I don't use RG for audio, so 
> I'm not opening an audio track from within RG.
> Not helpful, but maybe fuel some ideas?
> 
> On 9/28/21 10:32 AM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > RG crashes on me every time I start jack_capture or Audacity
> > (Suse Leap-15.3/Tumbleweed), don't know why, so what I do
> > when I need these others is I first save the RG project
> > then start them before restarting RG
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 21:02:18 +0100
> > Will Godfrey  wrote:
> >
> >> Firt off, I work entirely in the matrix editor, and recently I've been 
> >> spending
> >> a lot of time working on, and heavily editing, multi-track projects.
> >>
> >> I will frequently open segment windows on several different tracks at the 
> >> same
> >> time, and also different segments on the *same* track. I'll often hold 
> >> these
> >> open, and just push them to the back of the stack when not actually 
> >> managing.
> >> On my system Rosegarden always seems to open these at exactly the same 
> >> position
> >> so it's very easy to forget what you've got open.
> >>
> >> If you now delete one of the segments from the matrix window or move it to
> >> another track. There is a high chance you'll either get a crash 
> >> immediately, or
> >> (more confusingly) the next time you hit 'Play'. The same applies if you 
> >> join
> >> two segments on the same track when both have a window open.
> >>
> >> My suggestion is to check for any open windows on the relevant segments and
> >> close them before such delete/move/join operations.
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Will J Godfrey
> >> https://willgodfrey.bandcamp.com/
> >> http://yoshimi.github.io
> >> Say you have a poem and I have a tune.
> >> Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song.
> >>
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Some Crashes Identified

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RG crashes on me every time I start jack_capture or Audacity
(Suse Leap-15.3/Tumbleweed), don't know why, so what I do
when I need these others is I first save the RG project 
then start them before restarting RG 







On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 21:02:18 +0100
Will Godfrey  wrote:

> Firt off, I work entirely in the matrix editor, and recently I've been 
> spending
> a lot of time working on, and heavily editing, multi-track projects.
> 
> I will frequently open segment windows on several different tracks at the same
> time, and also different segments on the *same* track. I'll often hold these
> open, and just push them to the back of the stack when not actually managing.
> On my system Rosegarden always seems to open these at exactly the same 
> position
> so it's very easy to forget what you've got open.
> 
> If you now delete one of the segments from the matrix window or move it to
> another track. There is a high chance you'll either get a crash immediately, 
> or
> (more confusingly) the next time you hit 'Play'. The same applies if you join
> two segments on the same track when both have a window open.
> 
> My suggestion is to check for any open windows on the relevant segments and
> close them before such delete/move/join operations.
> 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] "For Notation" -> "For Printing"?

[krsgrdn]

I never print directly but I would say yes

Since I think the "x" shows up automatically
for copied segments maybe "include in print"
would be even better. Don't mind me of course
as I don't print directly, others likely do :-)



On Mon, 20 Sep 2021 12:31:12 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:

>krsgrdn pointed out recently that the "For Notation" checkbox on the 
> Segment Parameters box is confusing.  What does it really mean?  It 
> means to include in printing.
> 
>Would everyone who uses this checkbox be ok with a change from "For 
> Notation" to "For Printing"?  Does this make sense for the majority of 
> use cases and is it better than "For Notation"?
> 
> Ted.
> 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Segment-Params "For Notation"?

[krsgrdn]

Thanks very much!
 
The balloon says "use this segment when generating notation". 
I noticed it when trying to get rid of (xn) notes in the
names of segment 'pasted copies'. Doesn't really apply to 
how I use notation because I select the segments I want to 
see notated and in this case they show in notation regardless 
(if I understand its purpose at all).




On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 10:14:31 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:

>Removes the Segment from lilypond notation rendering.  You have to 
> hover over the checkbox to get the tooltip.  Probably need to put the 
> tooltip on the label as well.
> 
> Ted.
> 
> On 9/12/21 11:10 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > 
> > I can't for the life of me find what this is/does
> > 
> > If I x in the x-box it kills the "(xn)" annunciation
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[Rosegarden-user] Segment-Params "For Notation"?

[krsgrdn]

I can't for the life of me find what this is/does

If I x in the x-box it kills the "(xn)" annunciation

TIA





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[Rosegarden-user] RESOLVED ..Re: NOT qjackctl BUT qSynth & audio recording

[krsgrdn]

On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 21:30:56 -0400
krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

> 
> There's a bit of qJackctl footwork required 
> each time in order to get an armed RG audio 
> track to record a segment playback. 
> 
> Qsynth  RG
> left   >Rec IN L
> right  >Rec IN R
> 
> RG   Sys
> mast out L>  PlyBck 1
> mast out R>  PlyBck 2
> rec mon out L >  PlyBck 1
> rec mon out R >  PlyBck 2
> 
> https://tinyurl.com/dmawy493
> 
> 
> But I still can't get in going (it used
> to work before). All I get is an empty
> *.wav file in the "Manage Audio Files" 
> dialog.
> 
> What am I missing?

The issue rose when starting jack_capture crashed 
Rosegarden in Suse-Leap-15.3 for like the Nth time! 
This pissed me right off so I restarted everything 
and set up the cited prerequisite qJackCtl connections 
for the alternative (native) recording method. 

No joy, alas, so I started another TS line-by-line
ritual.

The RTFM says:
https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/recordingamiditracktoanaudiotrack
4. In RG, in the device manager create a new device, name it QSYNTH and connect 
it to QSynth (the entry is called somehow like "131:0 snyth input port 
(qsynth:0) (write)")

1
I have no idea how the situation could have developed 
where this wasn't done. RG gets started either off a
panel icon and then the *.rg file gest loaded, OR by
clicking the *.rg file icon. The subject manual entry 
is satisfied in EITHER case so I'm at a loss for any
explanation. 

2
I had not suspected anything because I was using two
parallel tracks to get guitar tone: a Zyn-dssi-155 
clean guitar and a GM-34 picked bass. With the GM-midi
device being defaulted to No-Port I wasn't hearing 
the Picked Bass part of the tone combo but I "was"
hearing the Zyn-155 and thus suspecting nothing. 

As soon as as I rectified the issue in 1, all fell
into place.





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Re: [Rosegarden-user] qjackctl & audio recording

[krsgrdn]

On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 18:50:25 -1000
david  wrote:

> On 8/28/21 12:58 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 18:57:25 -1000
> > "David W. Jones"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On August 27, 2021 3:30:56 PM HST, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> >>> There's a bit of qJackctl footwork required
> >>> each time in order to get an armed RG audio
> >>> track to record a segment playback.
> >>>
> >>> Qsynth  RG
> >>> left   >Rec IN L
> >>> right  >Rec IN R
> >>>
> >>> RG   Sys
> >>> mast out L>  PlyBck 1
> >>> mast out R>  PlyBck 2
> >>> rec mon out L >  PlyBck 1
> >>> rec mon out R >  PlyBck 2
> >>>
> >>> https://tinyurl.com/dmawy493
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> But I still can't get in going (it used
> >>> to work before). All I get is an empty
> >>> *.wav file in the "Manage Audio Files"
> >>> dialog.
> >>>
> >>> What am I missing?
> >> Hmm, can't all that be set up in your RG studio?
> > Not in RG-20.12 that I can see, but if RG
> > starts jack than maybe it could make these
> > indispensable connections automatically.
> > So far I've been starting things up in
> > this order:
> >
> > qjackctl
> > qsynth
> > rosegarden
> 
> Sounds like a job for a session manager.
> 
> https://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/session_management 
> 
> 
> I use Cadence to manage JACKD and that includes the Claudia session 
> management tool. There's also the new standalone Ubuntu Studio Tools (I 
> think that's the name) that was announced here on the list a couple of 
> weeks ago.
> 
> Sorry, I don't know how well session management tools work with RG. 
> Maybe others on the list can answer that.

I found this one with a very ambitious 
mission statement:

https://github.com/jackaudio/new-session-manager

But before getting into whether I can or
cannot install yet another app on my desktop 
I wanna get it working as was, before 
whatever it was that I screwed up, manually 
in the qjackctl connections dialog :-)

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Re: [Rosegarden-user] qjackctl & audio recording

[krsgrdn]

On Fri, 27 Aug 2021 18:57:25 -1000
"David W. Jones"  wrote:

> 
> 
> On August 27, 2021 3:30:56 PM HST, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > 
> > There's a bit of qJackctl footwork required 
> > each time in order to get an armed RG audio 
> > track to record a segment playback. 
> > 
> > Qsynth  RG
> > left   >Rec IN L
> > right  >Rec IN R
> > 
> > RG   Sys
> > mast out L>  PlyBck 1
> > mast out R>  PlyBck 2
> > rec mon out L >  PlyBck 1
> > rec mon out R >  PlyBck 2
> > 
> > https://tinyurl.com/dmawy493
> > 
> > 
> > But I still can't get in going (it used
> > to work before). All I get is an empty
> > *.wav file in the "Manage Audio Files" 
> > dialog.
> > 
> > What am I missing?
> 
> Hmm, can't all that be set up in your RG studio?

Not in RG-20.12 that I can see, but if RG 
starts jack than maybe it could make these 
indispensable connections automatically.
So far I've been starting things up in 
this order:

qjackctl
qsynth
rosegarden




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[Rosegarden-user] qjackctl & audio recording

[krsgrdn]

There's a bit of qJackctl footwork required 
each time in order to get an armed RG audio 
track to record a segment playback. 

Qsynth  RG
left   >Rec IN L
right  >Rec IN R

RG   Sys
mast out L>  PlyBck 1
mast out R>  PlyBck 2
rec mon out L >  PlyBck 1
rec mon out R >  PlyBck 2

https://tinyurl.com/dmawy493


But I still can't get in going (it used
to work before). All I get is an empty
*.wav file in the "Manage Audio Files" 
dialog.

What am I missing?




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[Rosegarden-user] how to slow strum a string instrument !!!

[krsgrdn]

try this

this is a guitar E chord, I used the GM
Picked-Bass soundfont and the ZynAffSubFX
Clean-Guitar soundfont on parallel tracks,
sounds not bad (change values with bpm).

https://tinyurl.com/r43ntkhc






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[Rosegarden-user] Recording project playback to audio file

[krsgrdn]

RG-20.12/Qsynth/Qjackctl/Suse Leap-15.3

I'm forced to use jack_capture again
(which in turn sometimes works sometimes
doesn't). With qjackctl the last time I 
ran into this it was necessary to include
the following jack connections which were 
not automatically established:

Readable   Writable
Qsynth   RG
L-00   rec in 1L  
R-00   rec in 1R   

RG  System
master out L    PlyBck 1
master out R    PlyBck 2
Rec moni out L  PlyBck 1
Rec moni out R  PlyBck 2

Now with this same setup going through
the hoops just records an empty file. 
Probably not a factor but the last used
path for recording is stored BUT causes
an alert 'inaccessible or not writable'.
Just clickick the fix-now button and
OK-ing the path kills the alert. The audio
file does get saved ..but it's empty.

  


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] 1st bar blues

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Thanks for the offer, it won't be necessary. The only time
this would be critical is when recording but for finished
work I almost always used lead-in bars anyway. Right now I'm 
tinkering with a learning-aid the final version of which will
likewise handle the problem ..so I can wait for an upgrade :-)
Much obliged!


On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 13:37:26 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:

> On 4/18/21 12:12 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > Using 20.12 Altissimo BTW & Qsynth, and I don't
> > see such options.
> 
>Yeah, you'll need to build a recent version to get this feature.
> 
>We have a new page walking through the build process:
> 
> https://www.rosegardenmusic.com/wiki/dev:building_rosegarden_from_source
> 
>And I can help you through it if you have trouble.
> 
>Otherwise you'll probably have to wait for the changes to make it 
> into your favorite distro.  Could take a year or so depending on the distro.
> 
>In the meantime, you might be able to turn off CCs and PCs using the 
> instrument panel and the device editor.  Let me know if you want to try 
> that and I'll walk you through it.
> 
> Ted.
> 
>   As I said I can't pin it. Just
> > now it did it when playing a segment for the
> > first time and without any repeat. I also notice
> > that in the 1st 4/4 bar consisting of a single
> > whole chord and two half-note bass notes in
> > the bass track, the entire whole chord missed
> > out but only the first 1/2 bass note so that
> > 'missing a whole bar' would be inacurate.
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 10:41:56 -0400
> > Ted Felix  wrote:
> > 
> >> Sounds like your synth might not be able to handle the program
> >> changes and control changes that we send at the beginning of a loop.
> >> You can turn this off in the preferences:
> >>
> >> Edit > Preferences > MIDI > Send program changes when looping
> >>
> >> And "Send control changes when looping" below it.
> >>
> >> Another option is to use a different synth.  E.g. fluidsynth handles
> >> this.
> >>
> >> Ted.
> >>
> >> On 4/18/21 9:17 AM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 09:05:10 -0400
> >>> krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> >>>
>  I've noticed that playing back some segments sometimes results in missed 
>  notes in the (or the entire) first bar. Prepending an extra empty bar 
>  may help, I haven't been able to put my finger on it
> >>>
> >>> I have a 7-bar chord prog test which normally plays back OK, but if I set 
> >>> it up for repeating in the Show-Transport dialog then after the first run 
> >>>  it cuts out the first chord in the chord track only while the first bass 
> >>> notes in the bass track play back OK.
> 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] 1st bar blues

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sorry, this may pop up twice, I first sent it out 
with wrong handle:
 
Using 20.12 Altissimo BTW & Qsynth, and I don't 
see such options. As I said I can't pin it. Just 
now it did it when playing a segment for the 
first time and without any repeat. I also notice
that in the 1st 4/4 bar consisting of a single
whole chord and two half-note bass notes in
the bass track, the entire whole chord missed
out but only the first 1/2 bass note so that 
'missing a whole bar' would be inacurate. 


On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 10:41:56 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:

>Sounds like your synth might not be able to handle the program 
> changes and control changes that we send at the beginning of a loop. 
> You can turn this off in the preferences:
> 
> Edit > Preferences > MIDI > Send program changes when looping
> 
> And "Send control changes when looping" below it.
> 
>Another option is to use a different synth.  E.g. fluidsynth handles 
> this.
> 
> Ted.
> 
> On 4/18/21 9:17 AM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 09:05:10 -0400
> > krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > 
> >> I've noticed that playing back some segments sometimes results in missed 
> >> notes in the (or the entire) first bar. Prepending an extra empty bar may 
> >> help, I haven't been able to put my finger on it
> > 
> > I have a 7-bar chord prog test which normally plays back OK, but if I set 
> > it up for repeating in the Show-Transport dialog then after the first run  
> > it cuts out the first chord in the chord track only while the first bass 
> > notes in the bass track play back OK.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] 1st bar blues

[krsgrdn]

On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 09:05:10 -0400
krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

> I've noticed that playing back some segments sometimes results in missed 
> notes in the (or the entire) first bar. Prepending an extra empty bar may 
> help, I haven't been able to put my finger on it

I have a 7-bar chord prog test which normally plays back OK, but if I set it up 
for repeating in the Show-Transport dialog then after the first run  it cuts 
out the first chord in the chord track only while the first bass notes in the 
bass track play back OK. 




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[Rosegarden-user] 1st bar blues

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I've noticed that playing back some segments sometimes results in missed notes 
in the (or the entire) first bar. Prepending an extra empty bar may help, I 
haven't been able to put my finger on it






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Re: [Rosegarden-user] double lyrics line how2

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On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 14:16:40 +0200
Yves Guillemot  wrote:

> Le 18 avril 2021 à 06H19 (-0400)
> krsg...@trixtar.org a écrit :
> 
> > I've managed to do it before, ONCE.
> > 
> > Working on a practice jam track, I want the
> > lyrics line to show the roman chord numerals
> > with the chord names below them. Foor a try 
> > I filled Verse-1 with chord names and Verse-2
> > with thue nujerals but I cannot get the verse-2 
> > content to show AT ALL :-(
> > 
> 
> Edit -> Preferences -> Notation -> Segments
> 
> Uncheck "Distribute verses among repeated segments".
> 
> BTW its looks like a bug as this should have no effect when segment
> is not repeated.

thanks!  I've ben told this before but forgot.
Just loaded RG on my laptop where the box WAS 
in fact unchecked and the result is as expected.
I don't know if it's bug or just an intuitivity 
issue.

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[Rosegarden-user] double lyrics line how2

[krsgrdn]

I've managed to do it before, ONCE.

Working on a practice jam track, I want the
lyrics line to show the roman chord numerals
with the chord names below them. Foor a try 
I filled Verse-1 with chord names and Verse-2
with thue nujerals but I cannot get the verse-2 
content to show AT ALL :-(

TIA



  


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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Noiseless setup for rosegarden

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On Thu, 25 Mar 2021 15:43:49 +0100
Claire Darbaud  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I'm a rusty dev who hasn't coded in years, caring for the kids... etc I
> used to work for Oracle as a custom dev consultant, some dba work, some
> web, a touch of sysadmin...
> I coded boring business stuff for many years... a long time ago.
> 
> I've been researching music, the fundamentals of harmony, composition for
> decades...
> 
> Now the kids have grown and I want to record my music, do some more
> research and also get back into coding and develop apps and games about
> music composition.
> 
> I've come across Rosegarden in my search for a DAW with a simple interface
> that helps me keep on task. More signal, less noise...
> 
> Rosegarden looks VERY promising... and I can't wait to get it opens a new
> can of worms... which linux distro should I install?
> 
> I've read your FAQ, but it barely says anything about choosing a distro.
> Can someone help me gather the bits and pieces I need to get started?
> 
> As in my search for a DAW, I'm looking for a distro with as little
> distraction as possible. I'm happy with having to install stuff in a
> terminal, use bash... yet I'd like to spend as little time as possible
> struggling with drivers.
> 
> My PC is an ASUS laptop with a Core i7 10th gen with 16gb RAM
> I have a focusrite Scarlett solo sound card
> I want to use my dualo du-touch as a midi keyboard
> 
> It is my understanding I need to decide on a linux distro, and then install
> ALSA and JACK before installing Rosegarden and Lillipond?
> 
> Can you recommend a lightweight distro that's got what it takes to code and
> make music, yet has minimal sources of distraction?
> 
> Thanks,
> Claire

i have a similar laptop (asus g73) no major probs
hardware wise on it or on my AMD desktop deathstar. 
Have used Debian-based AvLinux in the past (devved 
by a canadian musician) but am mostly on Suse Leap 
or Tumbleweed. No major problems with KDE or XFCE 
DE's ...being anything but a knowlegable user, more 
like a permanent beginner :-)

love rosegarden, needless to say, they should do
away with all the fluff and just roll their own 
distro!  :

NB midi hardware can be a 'drivers' issue took me a 
long time before I could create a midi track with a
yamahaha keyboard, you want some positive 'specific' 
references there before deciding

good luck















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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Even length staff bars?

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On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 15:32:54 +0100
Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

> On 10/02/21 14:08, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:02:07 +0100
> > Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:
> > 
> >> On 10/02/21 01:54, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Using linear layout the notation editor
> >>> allows me to capture screens and to then
> >>> reassemble a VERY wide image to scroll in
> >>> an animated training/jamming video:
> >>>
> >>>https://tinyurl.com/y2saqhb6
> >>>
> >>> This requires a lot of work to get the
> >>> bars at even length, otherwise the timing
> >>> gets screwed up except at the front and
> >>> rear.
> >>
> >> If I understand correctly what you're after (all bars with the same
> >> horizontal length), I don't think that's possible in Rosegarden.
> >>
> >> Musescore definitely has a 'minimum bar length' setting, so maybe it's
> >> better for that kind of job?
> > 
> > that's exactly what I mean. The example was
> > easy on account of a very repetitive typical
> > jam-track makeup but I'd actually want to
> > do the same with real songs and running several
> > staves in step.
> > 
> > but I'm (a little) used to rosegarden and as
> > I'll be 77 in a week I ain't prepared for yet
> > another learning-curve
> > 
> I get it. Maybe you could do all of the note input/editing in 
> Rosegarden, export just the final song to MusicXML and then just do the 
> video with that measure length using MuseScore. Up to now MusicXML 
> exported from Rosegarden and imported into musescore has worked pretty 
> well for me (mostly simple lead-sheets or bass parts, your mileage may 
> vary).

thanks

tried that but the musescore 'stretch' function 
doesn't apply uniformly. I select 'whole-staff' 
but bars with only rests or tied notes remain as 
short as graphically possible ..it doesn't seem 
to be the solution

conceptually speaking what I would like to find
is the equivalent of "export as a single linear
PNG file with equal length bars"

I could also attempt to keyframe each bar in kdenlive 
but that would require a precise timing pip for each 
bar line and would STILL be an enourmous task



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Even length staff bars?

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On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:02:07 +0100
Lorenzo Sutton  wrote:

> On 10/02/21 01:54, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > 
> > Using linear layout the notation editor
> > allows me to capture screens and to then
> > reassemble a VERY wide image to scroll in
> > an animated training/jamming video:
> > 
> >   https://tinyurl.com/y2saqhb6
> > 
> > This requires a lot of work to get the
> > bars at even length, otherwise the timing
> > gets screwed up except at the front and
> > rear.
> 
> If I understand correctly what you're after (all bars with the same 
> horizontal length), I don't think that's possible in Rosegarden.
> 
> Musescore definitely has a 'minimum bar length' setting, so maybe it's 
> better for that kind of job?

that's exactly what I mean. The example was 
easy on account of a very repetitive typical 
jam-track makeup but I'd actually want to
do the same with real songs and running several
staves in step.

but I'm (a little) used to rosegarden and as 
I'll be 77 in a week I ain't prepared for yet 
another learning-curve

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[Rosegarden-user] Even length staff bars?

[krsgrdn]

Using linear layout the notation editor 
allows me to capture screens and to then
reassemble a VERY wide image to scroll in 
an animated training/jamming video:

 https://tinyurl.com/y2saqhb6

This requires a lot of work to get the 
bars at even length, otherwise the timing 
gets screwed up except at the front and 
rear.

Is there any way to force the editor to 
output exactly even length bars in linear 
mode?

Another approach could be to insert chord
diagrams anchored to note letter for instance
in the lyrics editor if that were possible. 
I think the shown experiment looks better 
though and it would be my preference.
  
TIA



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] beginners question : getting sound

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On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:19:58 -1000
david  wrote:

> On 2/8/21 1:00 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:05:04 +0100
> > Tom Peters  wrote:
> >
> >> Chuck, Michael, Lorenzo:
> >> thank you very much for your input.
> >> Michael, Lorenzo, I share your sentiment. I think it is fair now in the
> >> 22nd year of the 21st century to expect from a computer application:
> >> 1) that the package management system like apt is configured that an
> >> application will get all its dependencies so that it will actually work;
> >> 2) that an application is configured with sensible defaults so that it
> >> actually works out of the box.
> > agreed
> >
> > I sympathize with the devs who want to
> > just improve the product that is but its
> > extremely frustrating to have to hunt for
> > basics. Let's not forget that a user may
> > well be a novice to both musicware AND Linux.
> > Again, I wanna stress that I'm trying to
> > throw pebbles but leaving earth orbit should
> > kinda come before nuclear sails or mars
> > landings. Is it THAT difficult to hardwire
> > SOME minimal sound ability if only to show
> > that the right software is being tried?
> > Other apps can do it, at least at some
> > rudimentary level at first.
> 
> So far, PulseAudio seems to have basic sound sorted out upon 
> installation - if you only have one audio device and want to use it for 
> everything.
> 
> Package management systems depend on humans to specify what to include 
> in or require for a package. The package maintainers decide how heavy or 
> light they want their package to be. Say your package wants MIDI output. 
> Does it require a particular MIDI output application like Timidity, 
> Fluidsynth, Qsynth, etc? Do you make that application a requirement for 
> someone that already has another MIDI output set up on their system? Do 
> you make it optional so someone that installs just the application has 
> no MIDI output after installation and has to install/configure yet 
> another application?
> 
> Also, what's a "sensible default" vs something that someone else might 
> consider a headache or bloatware? On all my systems, PulseAudio my 
> systems defaulted to one form or another of on-board audio - either the 
> built-in hardware connected to laptop speakers/headphone jack, or HDMI.  
> The PA default was useless on one system, a headache to deal with on my 
> main laptop, and suitable only on the netbook. None of my HDMI monitors 
> include speakers, so no sound output.
> 
> Doing pro audio/MIDI is not in the same league as just playing MP3s or 
> Youtube videos. I read about some of the MIDI setups people on the list 
> have - multiple hardware synths, external keyboards, multichannel sound 
> cards, softsynths running on multiple machines, etc. Seems to me like 
> there's *no* "sensible default" that would apply to every situation.
> 
> I remember discussion years back in the RG world: should RG require 
> Lilypond for printing scores.
> 
> I have a friend, singer/songwriter, that's exclusively used Windows 
> audio systems setup by professional techs. It seems to me that not even 
> Windows has it sorted out if you need a professional to set up your 
> Windows audio system!


Ok, I guess I wrote something that asks for it, 
should have written 

"I wanna stress that I'm _NOT_ trying to throw pebbles" :)
 
If it were MY watch I'd make it make a sound, 
however unsophisticated, until the user can 
sort things out. 





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Re: [Rosegarden-user] beginners question : getting sound

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On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:05:04 +0100
Tom Peters  wrote:

> Chuck, Michael, Lorenzo:
> thank you very much for your input.
> Michael, Lorenzo, I share your sentiment. I think it is fair now in the 
> 22nd year of the 21st century to expect from a computer application:
> 1) that the package management system like apt is configured that an 
> application will get all its dependencies so that it will actually work;
> 2) that an application is configured with sensible defaults so that it 
> actually works out of the box.

agreed

I sympathize with the devs who want to 
just improve the product that is but its 
extremely frustrating to have to hunt for 
basics. Let's not forget that a user may
well be a novice to both musicware AND Linux.
Again, I wanna stress that I'm trying to 
throw pebbles but leaving earth orbit should 
kinda come before nuclear sails or mars 
landings. Is it THAT difficult to hardwire 
SOME minimal sound ability if only to show 
that the right software is being tried?
Other apps can do it, at least at some 
rudimentary level at first.




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Re: [Rosegarden-user] ROSEGARDEN 20.12 (Altissimo) RELEASED

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from just a mortal user who nonetheless 
knows how warm it feels when someone 
values the work you share, here's from 
both barrels :)


 


On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 12:54:21 -0500
Ted Felix  wrote:

> The Rosegarden team is proud to announce the release of version 20.12
> of Rosegarden, a MIDI sequencer that features a rich understanding of
> music notation along with basic support for digital audio.
> 
>http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/
> 
> Included in this release...
> 
> = Bug Fixes =
> 
>* Fix QPainterPath compilation error (r15845)
>* Fixed several SysEx-related bugs in the Event editor (r15853)
>  * SysEx load now remembers the last used path.
>  * SysEx load now strips the F0/F7 bytes from the file when reading.
>  * SysEx save now remembers the last used path.
>  * SysEx save now fills in the FileDialog fields correctly.
>  * SysEx save now adds the F0/F7 bytes to the data before saving.
>* Event Editor: Fix garbage on SysEx load error (r15855)
>* Event Parameter Dialog: Fix incorrect window title (r15857)
>* Fix length of notes added in percussion matrix (r15870)
>* Fix compilation error with Qt < 5.8 (r15872, r15896, others)
>* Fix issues with ALSA port name matching at file load (r15875,
>  r15879, r15893-r15895, r15906, r15909)
>* Fix "&" in device name renders file unreadable.  Bug #1586. (r15886)
>* Matrix editor: Fix control rulers not appearing.  Bug #1543.
>  (r15887)
>* Event editor: Fix crashes when editing (r15899, r15902, r15903)
>* Reduce connection check interval to 1 second (r15912)
>* Fix external controller port not working (r15915, r15916, r15919,
>  r15927, r15929)
>* Fix ALSA timer selection persistence (r15936)
>* Fix disabled button text color (r15938)
>* Fix plugins not found (r15947)
>* Send proper CCs out the external controller port for motorized
>  control surfaces.  Bug #1587. (r15952, r15954)
>* Fix unwanted CCs going out with old files.  Feature #482.  (r15961)
>* Fix slow load time with many segments.  Bug #1589.  (r16026)
> 
> = New Features =
> 
>* Enable/Disable external controller port in the preferences (r15932,
>  r15946, others)
>* Transport buttons (play, stop, etc...) on MIDI controllers are now
>  supported so long as they use Pro Tools standard CCs (110-118).
>  Feature #423.  (r15962-r15964)
>* Korg nanoKONTROL2 support (r15994-r16013, r16015, r16016, r16021)
> 
> = Significant Code Cleanups =
> 
>* Icon Loader (r15862-r15865, r15868)
>* New ExternalController class (r15922)
>* Preferences dialog (r15939-r15944)
>* ALSA MIDI interface (r15975-r15993)
> 
> = Additional Contributors =
> 
>* Michael Stockinger (www.stockinger.org) - German Translation
>* Hugo van Galen - Help with bug #1586 and #1543.
>* Piotr Golonka - Roland-Fantom-678.rgd
>* Arthur Baran - Casio-PX-5S.rgd
> 
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Re: [Rosegarden-user] How long have you been using Rosegarden?

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On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 14:13:04 +
Patrick May  wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> How long have you all been using Rosegarden?

Maybe 7 years, I took up music as a way to
forestall brain-rot inevitable with advancing 
age, guitar more specifically, and I get midi
files into RG and then work over completely to 
make my own backing tracks. Enjoy it immensely!


 
> Myself, I've been using Rosegarden 15 years. Oh god yeahh. I've got 1594 
> project files in my ~/rosegarden directory that I created in that time.
> 
> I use Rosegarden only as a MIDI sequencer for controlling synths. I've 
> never used the audio features.


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[Rosegarden-user] Canon like midis?

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hello gang,

I'm setting out to make some training videos
and need midi files of 'otherwise survivable'
songs of a particular nature: ones that use
all of but only the standard chords for the
key in question. I would then transpose a few
of these into every key offering a visual 
tracking scroll of the chords and arpeggios 
as the video rolls along. People learning 
either rhythm or jamming lead would find this
useful (begining with myself!). Drums, a good
bass, clear chords and some lead or arpeggiated
chord tracks would be useful.

Slow rock/ballad is probably best because it 
can be tempoed up or down. So far I have found 
Pachelbel's Canon in D ...

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QTCdA9Waj0
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38J8eQB0Pzw

... it uses all but two of the chords which I could 
probably sneak into it here and there for the 
learning exprerience.

If you know of any other similar songs, especially
with midi links, I'd appreciate very much.

TIA



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Eating chickenshit rests

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On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:33:54 -0400
"D. Michael McIntyre"  wrote:

> On 8/20/20 1:40 AM, david wrote:
> 
> > Also, RG experts correct where I'm wrong - but aren't rests calculated 
> > rather than being actual events?
> 
> Under most circumstances, rests are just calculated to fill empty space 
> on the fly.
> 
> I've been way too overworked to do more than glance at this thread, but 
> I'll mention in passing that I'm a terrible keyboard player, and making 
> usable notation out of an imperfect live performance is something I've 
> spent many hours doing over the years. There is no magic wand. You just 
> have to attack the problem section by section. Sometimes you can get 
> Rosegarden to make the tweaks automatically with some combination of 
> quantizers, and sometimes you just have to manually rewrite those 
> sections, and then try to computationally re-humanize them a little to 
> blend those sections in. I'm quite sure I would have talked about this 
> kind of thing in the tutorials I wrote years ago, which would still be 
> more or less valid today, but I don't even remember where they are now 
> off the top of my head.
> 
> Sorry I can't take more time.

I wasn't tossing rocks at RG, not at all, just wondering if the mess created 
(maybe) by a midi keyboard could easily be fixed in RG. Actually as far as I 
know the guy who laid the midi track for me may well have set the 'precision 
knob' to 1/64 if such exists. This image shows what I received at the top, in 
the middle it shows how I edited it in RG and which it so happens sounds even 
more the way it should, and finally the doctored human copy which as per my 
policy leaves rests of 1/16 and less right out. 
  
https://tinyurl.com/y2enjucc

So without a midi 'precision-knob' on the keyboard it'd be the hardware that 
makes the mess, something the manufacturers might wanna add some control 
features. A midi track is created to get a sound and a timing and for that I 
see nothing wrong with even four tied notes and rests that look like grapes. 
It's mission is not to create sheet music, that however could be provided for 
with a precision-knob.  





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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Eating chickenshit rests

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On Tue, 18 Aug 2020 19:19:00 -1000
david  wrote:

> On 8/18/20 3:26 AM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > Whenever a midi instrument is used to lay down a midi track (next imported 
> > into RG) there are the inevitable inconsistancies like an 8th note repeated 
> > in the next bar becomes a 16th plus a 16th rest. Is there a way to clean 
> > this up by asking RG to feed rests of a certain duration or less to 
> > adjoining notes to be absorbed?  Or, if that's impossible then simply not 
> > show them although this would lead to quantization issues? (I'm trying top 
> > produce sensible sheet music)
> 
> I hit that all the time. I'm not as precise a player as the timing 
> resolution MIDI offers and don't keep tempo very well. ("You've got a 
> natural swing," my classical piano instructor told me, and it took a lot 
> of work to overcome it!)
> 
> Same about the 16th note + 16th rest. MIDI timing says we released the 
> 16th note before it should have ended (for a 16th note at that tempo). 
> My main MIDI keyboard is pretty dusty, so I wouldn't be surprised if 
> that's sometimes  being caused by accumulated dust in the switches.

I get mine already digitized into a midi, then I work it over in RG. The guy 
who does the midi track is a pro but still, I think it's near  impossible to 
consistently hit poerfect 16th except with a slow tempo. This shouild maybe be 
a job for the midi instrument, to use only durations X-Y for notes/rests. I 
mean sheet music is usually rudimentary and doesn't have to be microsecond 
precise, that's left to execution and interpretation (i think).
 
> RG people - isn't there a setting that tells RG NOT to tie notes across 
> bar lines?

I think there is, somewhere in the prefs labyrinth, ran into it the other day



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[Rosegarden-user] White space padding

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The only way I have found so far to get equal paper bar lengths is to create an 
additional track full of dummy 16ths. I'm no guru so I would not benefit from 
doing the same thing with 32nds :-

If I then select this track as well as any other I want to see on the staff 
then all the bars will be almost equal in length which is a HUGE help is 
arranging a sheet 'for editing and learning'. Although that's not its purpose, 
the white spaces also help suggesting the note durations and any rests that 
might not be written. Is there a simpler way to accomplish this? In essence it 
would mean faking such a track of 16ths but not showing that track, only it's 
spacing effect on the others.




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[Rosegarden-user] Eating chickenshit rests

[krsgrdn]

Whenever a midi instrument is used to lay down a midi track (next imported into 
RG) there are the inevitable inconsistancies like an 8th note repeated in the 
next bar becomes a 16th plus a 16th rest. Is there a way to clean this up by 
asking RG to feed rests of a certain duration or less to adjoining notes to be 
absorbed?  Or, if that's impossible then simply not show them although this 
would lead to quantization issues? (I'm trying top produce sensible sheet music)





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Re: [Rosegarden-user] a duo of ethicall questions

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Thanks for the advice. I'm in reasonably good condition except for a short list 
of life-threatening issues :-)

Brain-rot however is a real challenge, even though I had spent much of my life 
continuously learning things I simply cannot soak it up like I used to but 
learning music & Rosegarden have helped a lot, I see the results! They say we 
must learn something NEW trodding along westbound, another language for example 
is useless for someone who already speaks four, not because of the numbers but 
because of the already familiar field of knowlege. So music, midi, and general 
sound-crafting hit the spot for me. Physically I used to be able to toss a bag 
of cement a good few yards, if I tried that today my fingers would go with it, 
I don't want to get that low intellectually as well and Rosegarden has been 
like preventive vitamins and medication :-)

I never moneytize the stuff I put up on the tube, not even my own or my partly 
my own. Properly crediting usually ends up with whatever loose-change ad 
revenue going where it should (there are laughable exceptions). It's digital 
covers that I'm not sure about so I thought I'd field a question to the 
probably thousands of Rosegarden users who are much more knowlegable about this 
than I am.

That testimony is on my gotta-see list..

Cheers
   


 






On Sun, 09 Aug 2020 00:53:24 -0400
liebre...@grossmann-venter.com wrote:

> You should watch Rick Beato's senate testimony on Youtube users and 
> musical content.
> Youtube is not at fault pulling videos down and censoring it is the 
> Record Companies and such that makes up their own laws and they mostly 
> violate "Fair Use" just out of greed. That behavior have to stop.
> 
> i am not a fan of Beato, but I am glad he had the guts to go testify.
> Maybe something good comes from that, and there will be legislation to 
> stop these record companies from making money illegally out of fair use 
> such as parody and teaching.
> 
> On the other hand, dont worry about "advanced age" eat right my friend 
> that is the best advice you can ever get and stay away from franken 
> foods, restaurants, fast foods and such. If you eat organic and cast out 
> foods that disagree with you, health changes considerably and so does 
> life expectancy.
> 
> Doctors couldnt help me with my ailments, for years. It was only after 
> my daughter became a Naturopath that about all my problems disappeared. 
> I eat right now and still sift through what doesnt agree with me etc. 
> After following her advice, i have no tinitus anymore amazing!, 
> rheumatic effects in my hands that stopped me from playing disappeared, 
> strange recurrent tumors I battled with for decades disappeared etc etc.
> I have my life back and is completely healthy again.
> 
> Dont let anyone tell you food is not important. The hydrogenated oils 
> that you WILL get from restaurants or any prepared food will hurt you. 
> Eat what agrees with you and make sure it is always organic. Big 
> Agriculture aned their pesticides/chemicals is slowing killing us.
> I am living testament of that. All my decades long trouble was 
> pesticide/hydrogenated/sucrose & refined food related. I dont use any 
> sugar anymore, only organic honey...makes a huge difference.
> 
> Anyway, enough of my advice.
> All our musical contributions are necessqary on youtube etc.
> Everything helps to keep the music alive, including yours.
> Keep going.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2020-08-08 19:25, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > greetings
> > 
> > First and foremost as I have just read (this time the full) 'authors'
> > and story page and can only say THANK-YOU, THANK-YOU to the Rosegarden
> > team; I mean the strife, the endless hours through lonely nights
> > mostly between day jobs, the thanklessness, you name it. My attitude
> > has always been humble and grateful but it just got upgraded quite a
> > bit. I've only done very rudimentary Perl programming a long long time
> > ago but I can imagine. So that's the first ethical issue, my 2 cents
> > says that that page should be the "I have read it all" checkbox-page
> > leading to a download.
> > 
> > I have used Rosegarden to produce (read hack and cannibalize) about 4
> > songs on guitar which I took up as a way to head off brain-rot with my
> > advancing age. I have about 500 lifetime fav songs of which maybe 40
> > are guitar candidates. With the help of Rosegarden I have already done
> > most of the 40 backing tracks with temporary stand-in digital leads of
> > one sort or another. But given the past completion-rate I will likely
> > run out of time to do all the remaining 36, I figure if I get to a
> > total of 10 I should be lucky. The guitar 'covers' I think pose no
> > ethical issues, here's the last one that took me a year just like the
> > one before it:
> > 
> >  https://tinyurl.com/y4cyeb6x
> > 
> > But what about the rest of them which are provisionally entirely
> > digital 'covers'? Does that concept exist at all? Can I load 

[Rosegarden-user] a duo of ethicall questions

[krsgrdn]

greetings

First and foremost as I have just read (this time the full) 'authors' and story 
page and can only say THANK-YOU, THANK-YOU to the Rosegarden team; I mean the 
strife, the endless hours through lonely nights mostly between day jobs, the 
thanklessness, you name it. My attitude has always been humble and grateful but 
it just got upgraded quite a bit. I've only done very rudimentary Perl 
programming a long long time ago but I can imagine. So that's the first ethical 
issue, my 2 cents says that that page should be the "I have read it all" 
checkbox-page leading to a download.

I have used Rosegarden to produce (read hack and cannibalize) about 4 songs on 
guitar which I took up as a way to head off brain-rot with my advancing age. I 
have about 500 lifetime fav songs of which maybe 40 are guitar candidates. With 
the help of Rosegarden I have already done most of the 40 backing tracks with 
temporary stand-in digital leads of one sort or another. But given the past 
completion-rate I will likely run out of time to do all the remaining 36, I 
figure if I get to a total of 10 I should be lucky. The guitar 'covers' I think 
pose no ethical issues, here's the last one that took me a year just like the 
one before it:

 https://tinyurl.com/y4cyeb6x

But what about the rest of them which are provisionally entirely digital 
'covers'? Does that concept exist at all? Can I load them up on the tube as 
digital covers pending some future guitar overlay? Doing music is as much work 
as coding and I wouldn't wanna screw any copyright musician out of deserved 
dues. I have learned *a LOT* just from tinkering around with Rosegarden, this 
digital jobbie for instance has some twists in the bass handling (don't know if 
anyone will catch it) and I think it's a splashy sounding nice rework of the 
french original so I'd like to share it but without stepping on toes:

 https://tinyurl.com/yxocsu4e
 https://preview.tinyurl.com/yxocsu4e

Tnaks in advance for all pro/con ideas








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[Rosegarden-user] Recording a track generated by iternal dssi (ZASF)

[krsgrdn]

I recorded some fluidsynth and Hydrogen tracks because those appear the 
qjackctl "Connect" dialog (as per RG manual) but I cannot record dssi output 
ones. Any hints please?



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] no midi out channel for zynaddsubfx

[krsgrdn]

Thanks, that's quite a response, too high even for my qualifications amounting 
to mouse-clickingh and little else but I managed.

I looked at the command that the icon on my desktop sends and this was

"zynaddsubfx -I jack -O jack" 
which I edited to just 
"zynaddsubfx -a"

This did the job, wonder why it got changed as it used to work fine before?

Then I looked at the defalult buffer sizes and qsynth has only 64 while Zyn has 
256. This I'm not sure what to make of. I do have some cutout now and then 
(working with typically 12-28 track rosegarden files), so I'm increasing the 
qsynth to 256 also and I'll see what comes loose :-)

Thanks again for your help



 
 

On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:38:58 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:

> On 8/14/19 5:23 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > Regardless of whether the standalone Zynaddsubfx (not the dssi) gets 
> > connected in qjackctl manually or automatically. a usable channel for it no 
> > longer shows up in the Rosegarden 'Manage Midi Devices' window 
> > midi-channels list. Others like say qsynth or hydrogen still show up no 
> > problem just like before.
> 
>After playing with this for a bit, I'm guessing that zyn is coming up 
> in JACK MIDI mode.  Since rg doesn't support JACK MIDI, rg cannot see it.
> 
>I have JACK audio set up and I started zyn from the command line like 
> this and it worked:
> 
> zynaddsubfx -I ALSA -O JACK -a
> 
>Actually, it appears as if zyn's defaults are exactly what I needed 
> and all I need to do is this:
> 
> zynaddsubfx -a
> 
>And finally, specifying the sample rate and buffer size to sync it up 
> with how I run fluidsynth:
> 
> zynaddsubfx -I ALSA -O JACK -a -r 44100 -b 128
> 
>The built-in help is actually pretty helpful:
> 
> zynaddsubfx --help
> 
>If you would prefer to use the desktop icons to launch zyn, it 
> appears that in Ubuntu, at least, the three desktop icons that are 
> offered are not helpful.  The JACK one assumes JACK MIDI and Audio while 
> the ALSA one assumes ALSA MIDI and Audio.  Not what I need anyway.  You 
> can see the .desktop files here:
> 
> ls -l /usr/share/applications/zyn*
> 
>You can make your own from one of these and modify the options to 
> match your needs.
> 
> Ted.
> 
> 
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[Rosegarden-user] no midi out channel for zynaddsubfx

[krsgrdn]

Regardless of whether the standalone Zynaddsubfx (not the dssi) gets connected 
in qjackctl manually or automatically. a usable channel for it no longer shows 
up in the Rosegarden 'Manage Midi Devices' window midi-channels list. Others 
like say qsynth or hydrogen still show up no problem just like before.



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer

[krsgrdn]

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 08:25:45 -0400
krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:10:20 -0400
> Ted Felix  wrote:
> 
> > On 8/1/19 7:28 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > > When I launch the mixer with no file loaded into RG the channels or 
> > > tracks are numbered but these number are very tiny (almost unreadable),
> > 
> > The size is set in the code in AudioStrip.cpp, line 72.  Right now 
> > it's 6 point, and that's pretty tiny alright.

i don't think i should muck with code

> > What's being displayed is the name of the Instrument which you can 
> > set by selecting the track in the main window and then pressing the 
> > microscopic button to the left of the name in the "Instrument 
> > Parameters" box.  If you just want the numbers, 1-16, you can put those 
> > in there.  Though that might look strange in other parts of the UI. 
> > Maybe A1, A2, etc

great, thanks, done  ..both the button AND the numbers ARE tiny :-))


Finally I just noticed that the tracks displayed are in fact only those in use, 
sorry about the confusion

Would be nice to have a single mixer, different synths/source different 
colors...











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Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer

[krsgrdn]

On Fri, 9 Aug 2019 08:25:45 -0400
krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:


> The mixer itself is OK! Realestate goes by like nothing when you have 28 
> tracks. One thing that might help is to show only the tracks actually used in 
> the piece. This would also reduce the midi mixer footprint and might even 
> solve the subject problem. But I'm no programmer so don't hold it against me 
> if I destroy the case for artificial stupidity :-)

About this, IF only the used tracks were to be displayed it WOULD help to keep 
some thin placeholder spacers to interlace the unused ones, helps out with 
orientation at my age :-)



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer

[krsgrdn]

On Thu, 8 Aug 2019 22:10:20 -0400
Ted Felix  wrote:

> On 8/1/19 7:28 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > When I launch the mixer with no file loaded into RG the channels or tracks 
> > are numbered but these number are very tiny (almost unreadable),
> 
> The size is set in the code in AudioStrip.cpp, line 72.  Right now 
> it's 6 point, and that's pretty tiny alright.
> 
> > and they vanish altogether as soon as a file gets loaded
> 
> The .rg file?  That sounds like something is odd in the file.

I have about 400 .rg files covering 40 songs and I could be mistaken but all of 
them behave this way. Another thing that applies to all of them is that they've 
evolved with versions of RG going back a good decade! (i keep working on them 
when i have time, finaklizing about 1 song per year :-(



> What's being displayed is the name of the Instrument which you can 
> set by selecting the track in the main window and then pressing the 
> microscopic button to the left of the name in the "Instrument 
> Parameters" box.  If you just want the numbers, 1-16, you can put those 
> in there.  Though that might look strange in other parts of the UI. 
> Maybe A1, A2, etc

I'll try this tonite, not on my musicbox right now, could be a workaround as 
all I really need are the numbers to know which is who sotospeak

> > Is this a bug, is it known, any fixes?
> 
> This is working as designed for the most part.
> 
> I suspect that we should probably go ahead and make the audio mixer a 
> bit bigger to fill some sort of standard minimum monitor size.  Then we 
> should be able to go with a slightly large point size for all the controls.
> 
> Ted.

The mixer itself is OK! Realestate goes by like nothing when you have 28 
tracks. One thing that might help is to show only the tracks actually used in 
the piece. This would also reduce the midi mixer footprint and might even solve 
the subject problem. But I'm no programmer so don't hold it against me if I 
destroy the case for artificial stupidity :-)

With a little sidebar on the questuion of font sizes, RG is not by any stretch 
of the imagination the only app in this situation. I always figured that font 
size in 'prefeences' shuld be handled on the user end as a % of monitor size, 
the points themselves being totally transparent, which would need a discrete 
interfcae (my 2 cents). 











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Re: [Rosegarden-user] Rosegarden-17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer

[krsgrdn]

As far as Suse-Tumbleweed using Rosegarden 19.06 is concerned:

KDE system settings>Fonts is where it's at. This font spec includes 6 settings, 
if I set all them to Helvetica-15 then on the next launch of KDE this spec is 
automatically copied to the tail end of ~/.config/Trolltech.conf which seems to 
handle Rosegarden as well as other QT apps. Probably only one of the above 6 
settings controlls, I haven't gone into it that deep.

So all the above explains how Suse-TW-KDE fonts get to Rosegarden, OR WOULD GET 
THERE because the topic *audio-mixer* isn't affected by any of this. I have no 
idea where those fonts come from, maybe they're generated graphics.

One way to ease the reale-state congestion would be to truncate those mixer 
headers a little, and BEGINNING with the the channel-number, like 01-to-16?



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Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer

[krsgrdn]

> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 19:28:11 -0400
> From: krsg...@trixtar.org
> To: rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06   Studio>Audio-Mixer
> Message-ID: <20190801192811.7c831c8d5ac500cf8aecf...@trixtar.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> When I launch the mixer with no file loaded into RG the channels or tracks 
> are numbered but these number are very tiny (almost unreadable), and they 
> vanish altogether as soon as a file gets loaded
> 
> Suse Tumbleweed/Leap-15.1, 1920x1200 resolution
> 
> Is this a bug, is it known, any fixes?
> --
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 12:15:15 +0200
> From: Lorenzo Sutton 
> To: rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer
> Message-ID: <7e6deeb1-c5e8-0909-fb34-3af634ece...@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Hi krsgrdn,
> 
> On 02/08/19 01:28, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, I'm new to this list (again)
> > 
> > When I launch the mixer with no file loaded into RG the channels or tracks 
> > are numbered but these number are very tiny (almost unreadable), and they 
> > vanish altogether as soon as a file gets loaded
> > 
> > Suse Tumbleweed/Leap-15.1, 1920x1200 resolution
> 
> For a higher resolution screen you might look into higher DPI settings 
> for QT which Rosegarden is using. I'm not sure what Desktop Environment 
> your distribution is using. In my case (I am using XFCE) changing DPI 
> for X as described in the Arch Wiki [1][2] : essentially QT applications 
> pick-up the settings and you should get everything bigger and more 
> combfortable for the eyes.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Lorenzo.
> 
> [1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI#X_Server
> [2] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Display_size_and_DPI



I use a laptop (daytime 1920x1080, Suse-Leap-15.1) and a desktop (evening 
1920x1200, Suse Tumbleweed), both must use the proprietary nvidia driver or 
google-earth won't work. I should have included that I use kde5 or splashma5 
(don't know what the difference is).

On the laptop I just did 

xdpyinfo | grep -B 2 resolution
screen #0:
  dimensions:1920x1080 pixels (381x211 millimeters)
  resolution:128x130 dots per inch

There is a GTK (gnome) font-setting in KDE (Appearance>App-Style>Gnome) but 
this has no effect on Rosegarden, it does on Sylpheed, my mailer. Nor does it 
have any effect on Nedit menubar fonts, the other problematic app. 

editing into the end of /etc/X11/Xresources:
  nedit*fontList: -adobe-helvetica-bold-r-normal--20-*-*-*-*-*-*

USED to fix Nedit but no longer does. All the other fonts in Rosegarden are OK 
as per the KDE font settings, like window title fontsize, etc. I can also boot 
XFCE on my Suse intalls so I did.  There I can adjust fonts size and/or DPI, no 
changes observed.

Finally  at the bottom of ~/.config/Trolltech.conf
there is:

[qt]
...
font="Adobe Helvetica,14,-1,5,75,0,0,0,0,0,Bold"

changing this to 

font="Adobe Helvetica,34,-1,5,75,0,0,0,0,0,Bold"

has no effect but it gets overwritten to 14 again on reboot or on relaunch of 
KDE

I'm no guru and am at wit's end (after like 3 hours)






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[Rosegarden-user] 17.12 & 19.06 Studio>Audio-Mixer

[krsgrdn]

Hi, I'm new to this list (again)

When I launch the mixer with no file loaded into RG the channels or tracks are 
numbered but these number are very tiny (almost unreadable), and they vanish 
altogether as soon as a file gets loaded

Suse Tumbleweed/Leap-15.1, 1920x1200 resolution

Is this a bug, is it known, any fixes?


Thanks



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