RE: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem(girl can't act)
LOL From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Arterberry Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 10:30 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem(girl can't act) Noir, You guys are thinking too much into this issue.She released a bomb /dud movie. Once the fanboys texted their friends from the matinee that there was no nudity of Ms. Fox their buddies stayed away in droves. Also MLB playoff,college football is heating up,MMA,NFL .Too many distractions for her fanbase which are young males. Maybe next time.
[scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?
That was Sofie Fatale. Julie Dreyfus also has a small but meaty role in Inglorious Basterds. *putting away my Japanese special edition boxed set of Kill Bill Vol. 1* I guess you can say I'm fan. The cinematic references, cameos and injokes from the movie are heaven for fans of Asian, Italian and 70s grindhouse cinema. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Wow, you must be a fan! Who was the lady who was Lucy Lu's sidekick? The one who was half Asian and described as Dressed like a villain from Star Trek? I wish she'd been given more to do (i must admit because i couldn't stop staring at her) - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:47:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? It could definitely work and they could bring back Elle Driver, Sofie Fatale and Johnny Mo as her bitter, crippled masters. If they really wanted to rock our worlds they could actually have Vernita's daughter succeed and have the Bride's daughter taking up the sword and going after her. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: that could work... - Original Message - From: Justin Mohareb justinmohareb@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:43:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Actually, I believe he mentioned using the actor who played her daughter in the first film, since she'll have actually grown into the role in the intervening decade and a half. I believe he mentioned filming scenes on an ongoing basis. Justin On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was Rosario Dawson could pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business! Is she too old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? Sure...but this is Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy excuse, and the incongruity of age could add a built in humour to heighten the camp factor. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , ggszig@ , Cinque3000 cinque3000@ , Sincere sincere1906@ Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? During promotion for the first two Kill Bill films, creator Quentin Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment that would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended. Six years since Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made waves by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan. Speaking during a press conference for Inglourious Basterds in Mexico on Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot Kill Bill 3 in or around 2014. According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a different picture inbetween. He's currently contemplating a re-imagining of a number of genres including a Western or a '30's type gangster movie. Kill Bill, Vol. 2 ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her baby and all of her targets killed. Most speculate that Copperhead's daughter, who is spared in Vol. 1 would be the most likely protagonist now that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her mind. The Bill portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate even in flashbacks after David Carradine's death this past summer. More curious is who exactly would produce the feature? It's unclear whether this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights too when they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the recently gutted indie specialty label. Needless to say, parent company Disney would hardly be adverse to making a sequel to a series that has already grossed $332 million worldwide. Plus, the mammoth success of Basterds this summer ensures, at least for the time being, that Tarantino's reign in pop culture is hardly over. Thurman will be seen in theaters later this month in the romantic comedy Motherhood. More on this story as it develops on HitFix. Can you wait another 5 years for a third Kill Bill? Do you think it's still a good idea? http://www.hitfix.com/articles/2009-10-5-quentin-tarantino-confirms-kill-bill-vol-3-but-who-s-left-to-kill Tracey
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?
Oh yes. The obvious anime influence is obvious. 3 :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: That was Sofie Fatale. Julie Dreyfus also has a small but meaty role in Inglorious Basterds. *putting away my Japanese special edition boxed set of Kill Bill Vol. 1* I guess you can say I'm fan. The cinematic references, cameos and injokes from the movie are heaven for fans of Asian, Italian and 70s grindhouse cinema. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Wow, you must be a fan! Who was the lady who was Lucy Lu's sidekick? The one who was half Asian and described as Dressed like a villain from Star Trek? I wish she'd been given more to do (i must admit because i couldn't stop staring at her) - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:47:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? It could definitely work and they could bring back Elle Driver, Sofie Fatale and Johnny Mo as her bitter, crippled masters. If they really wanted to rock our worlds they could actually have Vernita's daughter succeed and have the Bride's daughter taking up the sword and going after her. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: that could work... - Original Message - From: Justin Mohareb justinmohareb@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:43:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Actually, I believe he mentioned using the actor who played her daughter in the first film, since she'll have actually grown into the role in the intervening decade and a half. I believe he mentioned filming scenes on an ongoing basis. Justin On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was Rosario Dawson could pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business! Is she too old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? Sure...but this is Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy excuse, and the incongruity of age could add a built in humour to heighten the camp factor. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , ggszig@ , Cinque3000 cinque3000@ , Sincere sincere1906@ Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? During promotion for the first two Kill Bill films, creator Quentin Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment that would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended. Six years since Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made waves by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan. Speaking during a press conference for Inglourious Basterds in Mexico on Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot Kill Bill 3 in or around 2014. According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a different picture inbetween. He's currently contemplating a re-imagining of a number of genres including a Western or a '30's type gangster movie. Kill Bill, Vol. 2 ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her baby and all of her targets killed. Most speculate that Copperhead's daughter, who is spared in Vol. 1 would be the most likely protagonist now that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her mind. The Bill portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate even in flashbacks after David Carradine's death this past summer. More curious is who exactly would produce the feature? It's unclear whether this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights too when they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the recently gutted indie specialty label. Needless to say, parent company Disney would hardly be adverse to making a sequel to a series that has already grossed $332 million worldwide. Plus, the mammoth success of Basterds this summer ensures, at least for the time being, that Tarantino's reign in pop culture
[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
I am going to say something paradoxical here (I've been thinking about this all night), stars like Rita Hayward, Bette Davis and Joan Crawford have to be taken off the board. (Yes, I know Rita Hayward was hot and Bette Davis and Joan Crawford were not. But Ms. Davis and Ms. Crawford were sick with sexual power). I say this because during Hollywood's Golden Age there were many strong women represented on the big screen (Miss Barbara Stanwyck, anyone?), which was in direct opposition to the strength of women in society at large. I suggest male dominated box office (beginning with Clint Eastwood and Burt Reynolds in the late seventies) is in direct opposition to women's lib and the advancement of women in the workplace. To address Rita Hayward specifically, her most famous role was Gilda, where she flaunted her sexual power like nobody's business. Gilda is a terrific fusion of sexual heat, jealosy, fear and hatred, of the kind we haven't seen since Basic Instinct (1992). Which reminds of great strong, sexual screen presences like Kathleen Turner and Sharon Stone and how they are largely considered menopausal jokes now. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: rave, what about Rita Hayworth? If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@... Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:18:57 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Ann Margaret was eye and arm candy. Her most iconic role was as a sexy, beautiful woman who is shamelessly punked by Jack Nicholson in Mike Nichol's Carnal Knowledge. To my point, in one of the few movies she headlined,Kitten with a Whip, in which she played a juvenile delinquent who escapes from reform school by stabbing a matron and attempting to burn down the building, proved to be her personal Catwoman. Ditto for Marilyn Monroe (victim, eye and arm candy). Angelina Jolie fits the bill but she did not become a box office star until her rogue sexuality was softened by adoption and motherhood. Ava Gardner is an excellent example but her overt sexuality was acceptable because she was always coupled with strong iconic men like big, robust Howard Keel in Showboat and Clark Gable in Magambo - men who could literally put her in her place. But you make my point best in your last paragraph: none of the previews showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came to targeting mainstream males. Hall and Oates wrote a song about it. Wanna hear it? Here it go: She's deadly man, she could really rip your world apart Mind over matter Ooh, the beauty is there but a beast is in the heart (Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she'll chew you up (Oh-oh, here she comes) She's a maneater (Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she'll chew you up (Oh-oh, here she comes) She's a maneater ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and the
[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or even angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox. Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule at the box office. (I suspect they are closet Catwoman fans); ~rave!
[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
I am fascinated by how you have (twice) interjected the notion that both the source article and I have suggested that Miss Fox was the first actress in history who's superficially beautiful, possesses innate sexuality, and is confident and independent. This is clearly not the case and cannot be divined from any of my posts. And let me reiterate again that outside of One Million Years BC, Raquel Welch was box office poison. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Man I had to read this thrice to get it! I don't see how a woman can have sexual power without being sexy. But let's skip that for a moment. I agree beauty and sexual appeal don't always go hand in hand. Like I said, Halle Berry is on the surface prettier than Rosario Dawson (my opinion), but Dawson can be way more appealing and sexually attractive. But I think we just disagree. Fox is pretty as hell, but Racquel Welch in her prime puts the girl to shame. The article and you act as if Fox is the first actress in history who's superficially beautiful, possesses innate sexuality, and is confident and independent, and that turns off women. I think that's giving Fox way too much credit, dismissing many actresses who have the whole package in spades--and i can think of many besides whom Fox pales--and lending some kind of weight to the failure of a film that by all accounts simply isn't that good. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:02:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I'm not getting how Fox has a sexuality that's beyond what Pam Grier or Racquel Welch or Michele Pfeiffer or Liz Taylor had, so that said sexuality is turning women off from her. Beauty and sexual power are not synonymous. Whoppi Goldberg has sexual power (ask Ted Danson and Frank Langella) but she is not sexy or beautiful. Eartha Kitt exuded sexual power but while sexy, she was not beautiful. The most famous femme fatale of all time, Mata Hari, was known more for her sensuality and eroticism rather than for striking classical beauty. Conversely, it is possible to be both sexy and beautiful and to not have any sexual power. It sensuality and eroticism that boys and girls of all ages have difficulty with - not beauty or sexiness. ~rave!
[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight). The Long Kiss Goodnight is a great movie but both it and Cutthroat were box office bombs. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in âthe long kiss goodnightâ She was an assassin who had amnesia and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a mother/assassin protecting her own. I thought she was s col! But Iâm not specifically attracted to Gena Davis. Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurmanâs sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords. I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasinâs/ turned mother characters. Anyway, Iâm not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just not referring specifically to it. That being said, Iâm sure there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the audience in on the satire From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it. If I were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a transformers DVD instead, based on those previews -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:32 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
I took it as a compliment. I'm not in the closet. If I were younger, I would probably be trying to wear knockoff of her outfits to the clubs Thanks - you made my morning -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:51 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or even angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox. Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule at the box office. (I suspect they are closet Catwoman fans); ~rave! Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
I agree. I Lve Stanwyck Crawford, Davis and add Ida Lupino to the list. (although I mostly like her because of her being the first female director in Hollywood with muscle. ) Those women are not raving beauties, but growing up I thought they were t cool! They were the original kick-ass broads. I do not get what has happened to Stone and Turner. I think it is obsession with targeting youth. During the Golden Age films targeted adults and kids went along for the ride. Now they target youth and adults either must go along for the ride or seek out independent films -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:42 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I am going to say something paradoxical here (I've been thinking about this all night), stars like Rita Hayward, Bette Davis and Joan Crawford have to be taken off the board. (Yes, I know Rita Hayward was hot and Bette Davis and Joan Crawford were not. But Ms. Davis and Ms. Crawford were sick with sexual power). I say this because during Hollywood's Golden Age there were many strong women represented on the big screen (Miss Barbara Stanwyck, anyone?), which was in direct opposition to the strength of women in society at large. I suggest male dominated box office (beginning with Clint Eastwood and Burt Reynolds in the late seventies) is in direct opposition to women's lib and the advancement of women in the workplace. To address Rita Hayward specifically, her most famous role was Gilda, where she flaunted her sexual power like nobody's business. Gilda is a terrific fusion of sexual heat, jealosy, fear and hatred, of the kind we haven't seen since Basic Instinct (1992). Which reminds of great strong, sexual screen presences like Kathleen Turner and Sharon Stone and how they are largely considered menopausal jokes now. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: rave, what about Rita Hayworth? If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@... Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:18:57 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Ann Margaret was eye and arm candy. Her most iconic role was as a sexy, beautiful woman who is shamelessly punked by Jack Nicholson in Mike Nichol's Carnal Knowledge. To my point, in one of the few movies she headlined,Kitten with a Whip, in which she played a juvenile delinquent who escapes from reform school by stabbing a matron and attempting to burn down the building, proved to be her personal Catwoman. Ditto for Marilyn Monroe (victim, eye and arm candy). Angelina Jolie fits the bill but she did not become a box office star until her rogue sexuality was softened by adoption and motherhood. Ava Gardner is an excellent example but her overt sexuality was acceptable because she was always coupled with strong iconic men like big, robust Howard Keel in Showboat and Clark Gable in Magambo - men who could literally put her in her place. But you make my point best in your last paragraph: none of the previews showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came to targeting mainstream males. Hall and Oates wrote a song about it. Wanna hear it? Here it go: She's deadly man, she could really rip your world apart Mind over matter Ooh, the beauty is there but a beast is in the heart (Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she'll chew you up (Oh-oh, here she comes) She's a maneater (Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she'll chew you up (Oh-oh, here she comes) She's a maneater ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
I know. It upset me to no end. Like I said. I do not disagree in general, just regarding Fox and the film. She may end up having these problems, but her beauty was not part of the promos. The promos were misleading and offputting -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:06 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight). The Long Kiss Goodnight is a great movie but both it and Cutthroat were box office bombs. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in “the long kiss goodnight†She was an assassin who had amnesia and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a mother/assassin protecting her own. I thought she was s col! But I’m not specifically attracted to Gena Davis. Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords. I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother characters. Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the audience in on the satire From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came to targeting mainstream males.
[scifinoir2] Sexiest Woman Alive: Kate Beckinsale(?)
The November issue of Esquire Magazine has announced Kate Beckinsale as the Sexiest Woman Alive. I don't know in what universe Kate Beckinsale is the Sexiest Woman Alive but I don't wanna live in it. Oh, wait, I guess I already do. ~(no)rave!
[scifinoir2] Re: Cussing at Work
I could have used about 10 of these phrases yesterday. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: Cussing at Work Dear Employees: It has been brought to management's attention that some individuals throughout the company have been using foul language during the course of normal conversation with their co-workers. Due to complaints received from some employees who may be easily offended, this type of language will no longer be tolerated. We do, however, realize the critical importance of being able to accurately express your feelings when communicating with co-workers. Therefore,a list of 18 New and Innovative 'TRY SAYING' phrases have been provided so that proper exchange of ideas and information can continue in an effective manner. Number 1 TRY SAYING: I think you could use more training. INSTEAD OF: You don't know what the f___ you're doing. Number 2 TRY SAYING: She's an aggressive go-getter. INSTEAD OF: She's a f___ing bit__. Number 3 TRY SAYING: Perhaps I can work late. INSTEAD OF: And when the f___ do you expect me to do this? Number 4 TRY SAYING: I'm certain that isn't feasible. INSTEAD OF : No f___ing way. Number 5 TRY SAYING: Really? INSTEAD OF: You've got to be sh___ing me! Number 6 TRY SAYING: Perhaps you should check with... INSTEAD OF: Tell someone who gives a sh__. Number 7 TRY SAYING: I wasn't involved in the project. INSTEAD OF: It's not my f___ing problem. Number 8 TRY SAYING: That's interesting. INSTEAD OF: What the f___? Number 9 TRY SAYING: I'm not sure this can be implemented. INSTEAD OF: This sh__ won't work. Number 10 TRY SAYING: I'll try to schedule that. INSTEAD OF: Why the f___ didn't you tell me sooner? Number 11 TRY SAYING: He's not familiar with the issues... INSTEAD OF: He's got his head up his a__. Number 12 TRY SAYING: Excuse me, sir? INSTEAD OF : Eat sh__ and die. Number 13 TRY SAYING: So you weren't happy with it? INSTEAD OF: Kiss my a__. Number 14 TRY SAYING: I'm a bit overloaded at the moment. INSTEAD OF: F__ it, I'm on salary. Number 15 TRY SAYING: I don't think you understand. INSTEAD OF: Shove it up your a__. Number 16 TRY SAYING: I love a challenge. INSTEA D OF: This f___ing job sucks. Number 17 TRY SAYING: You want me to take care of that? INSTEAD OF: Who the f___ died and made you boss? Number 18 TRY SAYING: He's somewhat insensitive. INSTEAD OF: He's a pr_ck.
[scifinoir2] John Lithgow on Dexter
Anybody watching this season of Dexter on SHOWTIME? Is John Lithgow the creepiest serial killer - yes, I know its an oxymoron - you've ever seen? They are calling him the Triad Killer but they shoulda called him Mr. Clean. ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://blackplush.blogspot.com
RE: [scifinoir2] John Lithgow on Dexter
I'm so jealous. I have been getting Dexter on DVD. But I might have to get showtime. I can't wait until August to see this. I thought Jim Smits was surprisingly intense too. What did you think? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:30 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] John Lithgow on Dexter Anybody watching this season of Dexter on SHOWTIME? Is John Lithgow the creepiest serial killer - yes, I know its an oxymoron - you've ever seen? They are calling him the Triad Killer but they shoulda called him Mr. Clean. ~rave! http://twitter.com/ravenadal http://blackplush.blogspot.com Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links
RE: [scifinoir2] Sexiest Woman Alive: Kate Beckinsale(?)
Sexy? Aw hay-ull yes! Sexiest *alive*? No. She's waay back in the line. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:32:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Sexiest Woman Alive: Kate Beckinsale(?) The November issue of Esquire Magazine has announced Kate Beckinsale as the Sexiest Woman Alive. I don't know in what universe Kate Beckinsale is the Sexiest Woman Alive but I don't wanna live in it. Oh, wait, I guess I already do. ~(no)rave! _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series Commander in Chief. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight). The Long Kiss Goodnight is a great movie but both it and Cutthroat were box office bombs. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in “the long kiss goodnight� She was an assassin who had amnesia and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a mother/assassin protecting her own. I thought she was s col! But I’m not specifically attracted to Gena Davis. Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords. I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother characters. Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the audience in on the satire From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and stuff like was
RE: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem(girl can't act)
Methinks George may be onto something... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:29:30 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem(girl can't act) Noir, You guys are thinking too much into this issue.She released a bomb /dud movie. Once the fanboys texted their friends from the matinee that there was no nudity of Ms. Fox their buddies stayed away in droves. Also MLB playoff,college football is heating up,MMA,NFL .Too many distractions for her fanbase which are young males. Maybe next time. _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
Mr Worf, IMO, pick up Dog Soldiers. It's not brilliant, incisive movie-making by any stretch. Just fun. Didn't scare me a lick, but I did get a kick out of it that horror movies haven't given me for -- well, forever, since Psycho. No, I take that back. The Incubus did make me jump, when I first saw it (because the evil only attacked women -- even young, it still rankled). And something made me IMDb the movie, to learn that (surprise surprise!) H'Wood is sorta remaking it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:17:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of Torture porn. There isn't a better name for it at this point. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like Shawn of the Dead, Twenty-Eight Days Later, and Dog Soldiers (the later is a movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically ,and is pretty good). - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it. If I were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a transformers DVD instead, based on those previews -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:32 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I defy you to name a Racquel Welch helmed hit (excluding her first, One Million Years B.C.). Pam Grier was used and abused (raped and beaten up)in all her movies before
RE: [scifinoir2] This week on House
Such issues are sadly absent from TV these days, Mr Worf. And, to answer, I don't think I could. I'm racking my brain right now, to find a scenario that would allow me to say yes, and nothing comes up. If anything, I get a few that let me finish the job that the ailment started. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:58:33 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] This week on House James Earl Jones was the guest star this week as an evil African dictator with a mystery ailment. The show brought up an interesting moral dilemma. Would you save a man that has killed and brutalized thousands, and could possibly go on and kill thousands of people in the future? Moral questions seem to be missing greatly from tv as of late. They are always topic for a show. What do you think? -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
I loved her in that. I guess I was the only one From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:34 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series Commander in Chief. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight). The Long Kiss Goodnight is a great movie but both it and Cutthroat were box office bombs. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in “the long kiss goodnight� She was an assassin who had amnesia and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a mother/assassin protecting her own. I thought she was s col! But I’m not specifically attracted to Gena Davis. Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords. I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother characters. Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the audience in on the satire From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?
Oh, yeah, Keith! I admit to pausing the DVD the first time I saw the movie, for her. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:35:47 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Wow, you must be a fan! Who was the lady who was Lucy Lu's sidekick? The one who was half Asian and described as Dressed like a villain from Star Trek? I wish she'd been given more to do (i must admit because i couldn't stop staring at her) - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:47:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? It could definitely work and they could bring back Elle Driver, Sofie Fatale and Johnny Mo as her bitter, crippled masters. If they really wanted to rock our worlds they could actually have Vernita's daughter succeed and have the Bride's daughter taking up the sword and going after her. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: that could work... - Original Message - From: Justin Mohareb justinmoha...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:43:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Actually, I believe he mentioned using the actor who played her daughter in the first film, since she'll have actually grown into the role in the intervening decade and a half. I believe he mentioned filming scenes on an ongoing basis. Justin On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was Rosario Dawson could pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business! Is she too old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? Sure...but this is Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy excuse, and the incongruity of age could add a built in humour to heighten the camp factor. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , ggs...@... , Cinque3000 cinque3...@... , Sincere sincere1...@... Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? During promotion for the first two Kill Bill films, creator Quentin Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment that would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended. Six years since Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made waves by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan. Speaking during a press conference for Inglourious Basterds in Mexico on Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot Kill Bill 3 in or around 2014. According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a different picture inbetween. He's currently contemplating a re-imagining of a number of genres including a Western or a '30's type gangster movie. Kill Bill, Vol. 2 ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her baby and all of her targets killed. Most speculate that Copperhead's daughter, who is spared in Vol. 1 would be the most likely protagonist now that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her mind. The Bill portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate even in flashbacks after David Carradine's death this past summer. More curious is who exactly would produce the feature? It's unclear whether this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights too when they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the recently gutted indie specialty label. Needless to say, parent company Disney would hardly be adverse to making a sequel to a series that has already grossed $332 million worldwide. Plus, the mammoth success of Basterds this summer ensures, at least for the time being, that Tarantino's reign in pop culture is hardly over. Thurman will be seen in theaters later this month in the romantic comedy Motherhood. More on this story as it develops on HitFix. Can you wait another 5 years for a third Kill Bill? Do you think it's still a good idea?
RE: [scifinoir2] Cussing at Work
LMNAO! Though that wouldn't work for me. After my last job, my response would be, roughly, Take this job and shove it so far up your g*ds-d*mned a$$ that, whenever you cough for the next six f*cking weeks, you're tasting my f*cking resume, b*tch. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com CC: blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:38:58 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] Cussing at Work Cussing at Work Dear Employees: It has been brought to management's attention that some individuals throughout the company have been using foul language during the course of normal conversation with their co-workers. Due to complaints received from some employees who may be easily offended, this type of language will no longer be tolerated. We do, however, realize the critical importance of being able to accurately express your feelings when communicating with co-workers. Therefore,a list of 18 New and Innovative 'TRY SAYING' phrases have been provided so that proper exchange of ideas and information can continue in an effective manner. Number 1 TRY SAYING: I think you could use more training. INSTEAD OF: You don't know what the f___ you're doing. Number 2 TRY SAYING: She's an aggressive go-getter. INSTEAD OF: She's a f___ing bit__. Number 3 TRY SAYING: Perhaps I can work late. INSTEAD OF: And when the f___ do you expect me to do this? Number 4 TRY SAYING: I'm certain that isn't feasible. INSTEAD OF : No f___ing way. Number 5 TRY SAYING: Really? INSTEAD OF: You've got to be sh___ing me! Number 6 TRY SAYING: Perhaps you should check with... INSTEAD OF: Tell someone who gives a sh__. Number 7 TRY SAYING: I wasn't involved in the project. INSTEAD OF: It's not my f___ing problem. Number 8 TRY SAYING: That's interesting. INSTEAD OF: What the f___? Number 9 TRY SAYING: I'm not sure this can be implemented. INSTEAD OF: This sh__ won't work. Number 10 TRY SAYING: I'll try to schedule that. INSTEAD OF: Why the f___ didn't you tell me sooner? Number 11 TRY SAYING: He's not familiar with the issues... INSTEAD OF: He's got his head up his a__. Number 12 TRY SAYING: Excuse me, sir? INSTEAD OF : Eat sh__ and die. Number 13 TRY SAYING: So you weren't happy with it? INSTEAD OF: Kiss my a__. Number 14 TRY SAYING: I'm a bit overloaded at the moment. INSTEAD OF: F__ it, I'm on salary. Number 15 TRY SAYING: I don't think you understand. INSTEAD OF: Shove it up your a__. Number 16 TRY SAYING: I love a challenge. INSTEA D OF: This f___ing job sucks. Number 17 TRY SAYING: You want me to take care of that? INSTEAD OF: Who the f___ died and made you boss? Number 18 TRY SAYING: He's somewhat insensitive. INSTEAD OF: He's a pr_ck. _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop
They are well on their way to becoming the mega-corp that we must destroy. If that eventuality falls, consider me available for war. I don't do suicide bombing, but I -- best not to post specifics here. HomeInsec has many eyes... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:49:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop I think that this will position them into where they will be able to offer the tv top downloading system. There was talk about it about a year and a half ago at one of the tech conferences but no word on when it was going to be available. This maneuver would allow them to control the revenue stream of everything that NBC and Hulu has to offer. They are well on their way to becoming the mega-corp that we must destroy. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: http://ohthuco.notlong.com A Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop By Dawn C. Chmielewski and Meg James Tribune Newspapers 1:59 PM CDT, October 5, 2009 hulu HOLLYWOOD -- Since Hulu launched early in 2008, its popularity has quadrupled as millions of people turn to the free online video site to watch episodes of such television shows as Family Guy, The Office and Modern Family. Some wonder how long the free flow of online video would last if Comcast Corp. ends up a part owner of Hulu. The nation's leading cable company has made no secret of its disdain for Hulu's approach of giving away the shows that Comcast and other pay-TV distributors spend billions for -- and rely on to retain subscribers. Comcast is in talks with NBC Universal about pooling their entertainment assets into a new company that would own 30 percent of Hulu in addition to such networks as NBC, Bravo, E! and Syfy. Comcast would control the new entity and possibly have the clout to push Hulu to begin charging for access to some of its most popular shows, including It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and Psych. Would Comcast put an end to the Hulu model of using the Web to distribute free TV content? said Michael Nathanson, senior media analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein Co. Will Comcast continue to support Hulu? Hulu, a partnership among NBC, Fox and Walt Disney Co., has been a nagging concern among Wall Street investors, who see the site not as a hedge against Internet piracy or viral video phenomenon YouTube but as a threat to the economic underpinnings of the television business. The $22 billion a year in cable and satellite TV subscriptions paid to programmers underwrites the cost of producing all forms of television programming. Hulu already has limited users' access to certain cable programs, including FX's It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, in response to an outcry from the television producers and cable companies that object to paying TV programmers hundreds of millions of dollars each year for shows that are offered free online. Comcast Chief Executive Brian L. Roberts is among the cable executives who have made their concerns known to TV programmers, both privately and publicly. He and other cable executives fear that Hulu could become the free alternative to cable TV subscriptions. If I am any one of these programmers, not just ESPN but the Food Network ... and I have a business in that 50 percent, 60 percent, 70 percent of my business comes from subscriptions, I want to think long and hard before I just put that content out there for free and not think through what it is going to mean to my business, Roberts said at an investor conference in May. Owning content would give Comcast some control over the matter. Arguably, their ability to shape online content distribution, and to recast windows for video on demand, would be an important attribute of any deal, wrote Craig Moffett, a cable industry analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein. Comcast's interest in NBC Universal would dramatically expand its entertainment portfolio with such attractive cable channels as USA Network, MSNBC and CNBC as well as the Universal Pictures movie studio. The proposed Comcast-NBC Universal venture also would give the cable operator a greater role in deciding how and when TV shows and movies are distributed online and at what price to consumers. The deal hinges on whether a French company, Vivendi, decides to unload its 20 percent stake in NBC Universal. Vivendi must decide in the next two months, and then federal regulators -- already concerned about media consolidation -- would have to sign off on the union of Comcast and NBC Universal. Should the deal be completed, Comcast would be the majority owner with 51 percent and
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?
Thank you for that, B. I really didn't catch that in any of my viewings of the movie, because I was too busy LMNAO @ the circumstances. Martin (please remember -- sick and needing help) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: daikaij...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:44:47 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? She was blinded but alive when we last saw her. They even leave it open by putting the ? in regards to her final fate. I heard it hinted at by QT himself that she survives her ordeal. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Didn't Elle over-cuddle with a snake or fourteen? If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: daikaij...@... Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:47:55 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? It could definitely work and they could bring back Elle Driver, Sofie Fatale and Johnny Mo as her bitter, crippled masters. If they really wanted to rock our worlds they could actually have Vernita's daughter succeed and have the Bride's daughter taking up the sword and going after her. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: that could work... - Original Message - From: Justin Mohareb justinmohareb@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:43:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Actually, I believe he mentioned using the actor who played her daughter in the first film, since she'll have actually grown into the role in the intervening decade and a half. I believe he mentioned filming scenes on an ongoing basis. Justin On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was Rosario Dawson could pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business! Is she too old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? Sure...but this is Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy excuse, and the incongruity of age could add a built in humour to heighten the camp factor. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , ggszig@ , Cinque3000 cinque3000@ , Sincere sincere1906@ Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? During promotion for the first two Kill Bill films, creator Quentin Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment that would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended. Six years since Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made waves by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan. Speaking during a press conference for Inglourious Basterds in Mexico on Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot Kill Bill 3 in or around 2014. According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a different picture inbetween. He's currently contemplating a re-imagining of a number of genres including a Western or a '30's type gangster movie. Kill Bill, Vol. 2 ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her baby and all of her targets killed. Most speculate that Copperhead's daughter, who is spared in Vol. 1 would be the most likely protagonist now that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her mind. The Bill portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate even in flashbacks after David Carradine's death this past summer. More curious is who exactly would produce the feature? It's unclear whether this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights too when they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the recently gutted indie specialty label. Needless to say, parent company Disney would
RE: [scifinoir2] Cussing at Work
One more thing, for sake of clarification -- the VP I would've said that to was a man. (Judging by the external genitalia, mind you. In all other regards, he was as much a man as the last bug you stepped on.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: truthseeker...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:13:27 -0400 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Cussing at Work LMNAO! Though that wouldn't work for me. After my last job, my response would be, roughly, Take this job and shove it so far up your g*ds-d*mned a$$ that, whenever you cough for the next six f*cking weeks, you're tasting my f*cking resume, b*tch. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com CC: blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:38:58 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] Cussing at Work Cussing at Work Dear Employees: It has been brought to management's attention that some individuals throughout the company have been using foul language during the course of normal conversation with their co-workers. Due to complaints received from some employees who may be easily offended, this type of language will no longer be tolerated. We do, however, realize the critical importance of being able to accurately express your feelings when communicating with co-workers. Therefore,a list of 18 New and Innovative 'TRY SAYING' phrases have been provided so that proper exchange of ideas and information can continue in an effective manner. Number 1 TRY SAYING: I think you could use more training. INSTEAD OF: You don't know what the f___ you're doing. Number 2 TRY SAYING: She's an aggressive go-getter. INSTEAD OF: She's a f___ing bit__. Number 3 TRY SAYING: Perhaps I can work late. INSTEAD OF: And when the f___ do you expect me to do this? Number 4 TRY SAYING: I'm certain that isn't feasible. INSTEAD OF : No f___ing way. Number 5 TRY SAYING: Really? INSTEAD OF: You've got to be sh___ing me! Number 6 TRY SAYING: Perhaps you should check with... INSTEAD OF: Tell someone who gives a sh__. Number 7 TRY SAYING: I wasn't involved in the project. INSTEAD OF: It's not my f___ing problem. Number 8 TRY SAYING: That's interesting. INSTEAD OF: What the f___? Number 9 TRY SAYING: I'm not sure this can be implemented. INSTEAD OF: This sh__ won't work. Number 10 TRY SAYING: I'll try to schedule that. INSTEAD OF: Why the f___ didn't you tell me sooner? Number 11 TRY SAYING: He's not familiar with the issues... INSTEAD OF: He's got his head up his a__. Number 12 TRY SAYING: Excuse me, sir? INSTEAD OF : Eat sh__ and die. Number 13 TRY SAYING: So you weren't happy with it? INSTEAD OF: Kiss my a__. Number 14 TRY SAYING: I'm a bit overloaded at the moment. INSTEAD OF: F__ it, I'm on salary. Number 15 TRY SAYING: I don't think you understand. INSTEAD OF: Shove it up your a__. Number 16 TRY SAYING: I love a challenge. INSTEA D OF: This f___ing job sucks. Number 17 TRY SAYING: You want me to take care of that? INSTEAD OF: Who the f___ died and made you boss? Number 18 TRY SAYING: He's somewhat insensitive. INSTEAD OF: He's a pr_ck. Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
No, you're not, Tracey. I cussed up a streak when they canceled it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:57:04 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I loved her in that. I guess I was the only one From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:34 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series Commander in Chief. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight). The Long Kiss Goodnight is a great movie but both it and Cutthroat were box office bombs. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in “the long kiss goodnight� She was an assassin who had amnesia and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a mother/assassin protecting her own. I thought she was s col! But I’m not specifically attracted to Gena Davis. Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords. I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother characters. Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the audience in on the satire From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my
[scifinoir2] Fw: World Science: Could birth control pills alter mate choices?
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
I don't do torture porn either. Just not my thing. I still believe that real horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that Hostel and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for me. I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one of his buddies. I forget the name--The Cave?--but it was about the usual group of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they contract some kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all but decay. It was actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what helped is that this was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was cut, but the gist of it was still there. It was a really good time waster for a cold, rainy Saturday afternoon. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of Torture porn. There isn't a better name for it at this point. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like Shawn of the Dead, Twenty-Eight Days Later, and Dog Soldiers (the later is a movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically ,and is pretty good). - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it. If I were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a transformers DVD instead, based on those previews -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:32 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I defy you to name a Racquel Welch helmed hit (excluding her first, One Million Years B.C.). Pam Grier
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?
It's really good, but let me ask you: does Tarantino ever go too far in his homages/copying of other genres for your taste? For example, I loved Kill Bill, but by the time the Bride and Lu's character were fighting in the garden, complete with the water thing going, I felt as if I were being hit over the head with homages. I guess it's one thing to have touches from other films in your movie, but Tarantino literally stuffs his films with those, and it's not very subtle. Not complaining, mind you. I've only seen two of his films, so don't know if his originality outshines his homages, or if he simply repackages the homages in a skillful enough way so that one doesn't mind. After all, there are very few original ideas in Hollywood, so recycling old themes isn't by itself a crime. - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:35:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? That was Sofie Fatale. Julie Dreyfus also has a small but meaty role in Inglorious Basterds. *putting away my Japanese special edition boxed set of Kill Bill Vol. 1* I guess you can say I'm fan. The cinematic references, cameos and injokes from the movie are heaven for fans of Asian, Italian and 70s grindhouse cinema. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Wow, you must be a fan! Who was the lady who was Lucy Lu's sidekick? The one who was half Asian and described as Dressed like a villain from Star Trek? I wish she'd been given more to do (i must admit because i couldn't stop staring at her) - Original Message - From: B Smith daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:47:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? It could definitely work and they could bring back Elle Driver, Sofie Fatale and Johnny Mo as her bitter, crippled masters. If they really wanted to rock our worlds they could actually have Vernita's daughter succeed and have the Bride's daughter taking up the sword and going after her. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: that could work... - Original Message - From: Justin Mohareb justinmohareb@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:43:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? Actually, I believe he mentioned using the actor who played her daughter in the first film, since she'll have actually grown into the role in the intervening decade and a half. I believe he mentioned filming scenes on an ongoing basis. Justin On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was Rosario Dawson could pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business! Is she too old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? Sure...but this is Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy excuse, and the incongruity of age could add a built in humour to heighten the camp factor. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , ggszig@ , Cinque3000 cinque3000@ , Sincere sincere1906@ Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill? During promotion for the first two Kill Bill films, creator Quentin Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment that would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended. Six years since Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made waves by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan. Speaking during a press conference for Inglourious Basterds in Mexico on Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot Kill Bill 3 in or around 2014. According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a different picture inbetween. He's currently contemplating a re-imagining of a number of genres including a Western or a '30's type gangster movie. Kill Bill, Vol. 2 ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her baby and all of her targets killed. Most speculate that Copperhead's daughter, who is spared in Vol. 1 would be the most likely protagonist now that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her mind. The Bill
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
I liked the first saw, but I cannot do that kind of thing on a regular basis From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:55 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I don't do torture porn either. Just not my thing. I still believe that real horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that Hostel and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for me. I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one of his buddies. I forget the name--The Cave?--but it was about the usual group of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they contract some kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all but decay. It was actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what helped is that this was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was cut, but the gist of it was still there. It was a really good time waster for a cold, rainy Saturday afternoon. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent : Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of Torture porn. There isn't a better name for it at this point. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like Shawn of the Dead, Twenty-Eight Days Later, and Dog Soldiers (the later is a movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically ,and is pretty good). - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it. If I were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a transformers DVD instead, based on those previews -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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I'll try to catch it when they show it again on syfy. I think I burned myself out on horror/slasher movies when I was a teen. My friend lived down the street from a video store that carried a lot of b movies (including faces of death) and we would often watch 4 movies or more a night on the weekends. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Mr Worf, IMO, pick up Dog Soldiers. It's not brilliant, incisive movie-making by any stretch. Just fun. Didn't scare me a lick, but I did get a kick out of it that horror movies haven't given me for -- well, forever, since Psycho. No, I take that back. The Incubus did make me jump, when I first saw it (because the evil only attacked women -- even young, it still rankled). And something made me IMDb the movie, to learn that (surprise surprise!) H'Wood is sorta remaking it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:17:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of Torture porn. There isn't a better name for it at this point. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like Shawn of the Dead, Twenty-Eight Days Later, and Dog Soldiers (the later is a movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically ,and is pretty good). - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it. If I were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a transformers DVD instead, based on those previews -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009
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i don't think they're exceptions, at least, in terms of what your premise has been, especially if younger women are taken into account. And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of Catwoman. When i told her of this discussion, she laughed her head off. That movie was horrible! she said. like me, she doesn't think Berry is really that good of an actress, only seeming to convey any realism when she's on drugs or down-and-out. And to your point, I think that's the probem with her in themovie: she doesn't come close to conveying any of this subversive girl power you see in the flick. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:51:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or even angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox. Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule at the box office. (I suspect they are closet Catwoman fans); ~rave!
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The movie, is horrible, but I love Catwoman. It’s not something I watch over and over. I have seen long kiss goodnight, strange days, kill bill 2 and Batman II with Michele Pfieffer numerous times over the years. I still liked her tacky costume though Regarding Berry, I liked her in those comedies she did when she was young. I don’t hate her, I think she is pretty, I admire her accomplishments, but it does not translate to any of the films I see her in. She was okay in swordfish fish, but the best part of her character did not come out until the last 10 minutes of the movie. Gothika was okay, but I could take it or leave it. Catwoman was so poorly produced that I cannot blame her. Everybody looked bad in that. But to me she is almost like an affirmative action hire. If they want a black woman with box office pull (?), they go to her. I do not think she is without talent, but there is a lack of charisma. I cannot put my fingers on it, because I liked her back in the day From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:01 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem i don't think they're exceptions, at least, in terms of what your premise has been, especially if younger women are taken into account. And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of Catwoman. When i told her of this discussion, she laughed her head off. That movie was horrible! she said. like me, she doesn't think Berry is really that good of an actress, only seeming to convey any realism when she's on drugs or down-and-out. And to your point, I think that's the probem with her in themovie: she doesn't come close to conveying any of this subversive girl power you see in the flick. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:51:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or even angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox. Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule at the box office. (I suspect they are closet Catwoman fans); ~rave!
[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
I loved Commander in Chief. I also think it is criminal how ABC mishandled it - firing the creator and original producer - and let it die. Harry Lennix was excellent as her chief of staff. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series Commander in Chief. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@... Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight). The Long Kiss Goodnight is a great movie but both it and Cutthroat were box office bombs. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in ââ¬Åthe long kiss goodnightââ¬ï¿½ She was an assassin who had amnesia and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a mother/assassin protecting her own. I thought she was s col! But Iââ¬â¢m not specifically attracted to Gena Davis. Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurmanââ¬â¢s sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords. I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasinââ¬â¢s/ turned mother characters. Anyway, Iââ¬â¢m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just not referring specifically to it. That being said, Iââ¬â¢m sure there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the audience in on the satire From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdlists@ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie
[scifinoir2] article: OPINION: When Rich Black People Should Know Better
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Re: [scifinoir2] This week on House
Let's make it a little easier to make the decision. What if it was Pol Pot, Hitler, Idi Amin or Bin Ladin? On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Such issues are sadly absent from TV these days, Mr Worf. And, to answer, I don't think I could. I'm racking my brain right now, to find a scenario that would allow me to say yes, and nothing comes up. If anything, I get a few that let me finish the job that the ailment started. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:58:33 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] This week on House James Earl Jones was the guest star this week as an evil African dictator with a mystery ailment. The show brought up an interesting moral dilemma. Would you save a man that has killed and brutalized thousands, and could possibly go on and kill thousands of people in the future? Moral questions seem to be missing greatly from tv as of late. They are always topic for a show. What do you think? -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem)
Halle Berry (Halle Berr) Halle Berry (Halle Berry) she walk it like a model (yea) hands on ya knees (aye) scrrrub da ground, she ain't nuttin but a tease Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry ~Hurricane Chris - She's Fine (Halle Berry) I direct all Halle Berry haters to Strictly Business and Bullworth. Her first film work as a crack ho in Jungle Fever is still among her best work. Her work in Things we lost in the Fire with David Duchovny and Benicio Del Toro (who should have been nominated) is highly underrated. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: The movie, is horrible, but I love Catwoman. It's not something I watch over and over. I have seen long kiss goodnight, strange days, kill bill 2 and Batman II with Michele Pfieffer numerous times over the years. I still liked her tacky costume though Regarding Berry, I liked her in those comedies she did when she was young. I donât hate her, I think she is pretty, I admire her accomplishments, but it does not translate to any of the films I see her in. She was okay in swordfish fish, but the best part of her character did not come out until the last 10 minutes of the movie. Gothika was okay, but I could take it or leave it. Catwoman was so poorly produced that I cannot blame her. Everybody looked bad in that. But to me she is almost like an affirmative action hire. If they want a black woman with box office pull (?), they go to her. I do not think she is without talent, but there is a lack of charisma. I cannot put my fingers on it, because I liked her back in the day From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:01 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem i don't think they're exceptions, at least, in terms of what your premise has been, especially if younger women are taken into account. And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of Catwoman. When i told her of this discussion, she laughed her head off. That movie was horrible! she said. like me, she doesn't think Berry is really that good of an actress, only seeming to convey any realism when she's on drugs or down-and-out. And to your point, I think that's the probem with her in themovie: she doesn't come close to conveying any of this subversive girl power you see in the flick. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:51:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or even angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox. Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule at the box office. (I suspect they are closet Catwoman fans); ~rave!
Re: [scifinoir2] Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop
I totally agree. I would even say that they are worse than Microsoft. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: They are well on their way to becoming the mega-corp that we must destroy. If that eventuality falls, consider me available for war. I don't do suicide bombing, but I -- best not to post specifics here. HomeInsec has many eyes... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:49:41 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop I think that this will position them into where they will be able to offer the tv top downloading system. There was talk about it about a year and a half ago at one of the tech conferences but no word on when it was going to be available. This maneuver would allow them to control the revenue stream of everything that NBC and Hulu has to offer. They are well on their way to becoming the mega-corp that we must destroy. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: http://ohthuco.notlong.com A Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop By Dawn C. Chmielewski and Meg James Tribune Newspapers 1:59 PM CDT, October 5, 2009 hulu HOLLYWOOD -- Since Hulu launched early in 2008, its popularity has quadrupled as millions of people turn to the free online video site to watch episodes of such television shows as Family Guy, The Office and Modern Family. Some wonder how long the free flow of online video would last if Comcast Corp. ends up a part owner of Hulu. The nation's leading cable company has made no secret of its disdain for Hulu's approach of giving away the shows that Comcast and other pay-TV distributors spend billions for -- and rely on to retain subscribers. Comcast is in talks with NBC Universal about pooling their entertainment assets into a new company that would own 30 percent of Hulu in addition to such networks as NBC, Bravo, E! and Syfy. Comcast would control the new entity and possibly have the clout to push Hulu to begin charging for access to some of its most popular shows, including It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart and Psych. Would Comcast put an end to the Hulu model of using the Web to distribute free TV content? said Michael Nathanson, senior media analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein Co. Will Comcast continue to support Hulu? Hulu, a partnership among NBC, Fox and Walt Disney Co., has been a nagging concern among Wall Street investors, who see the site not as a hedge against Internet piracy or viral video phenomenon YouTube but as a threat to the economic underpinnings of the television business. The $22 billion a year in cable and satellite TV subscriptions paid to programmers underwrites the cost of producing all forms of television programming. Hulu already has limited users' access to certain cable programs, including FX's It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, in response to an outcry from the television producers and cable companies that object to paying TV programmers hundreds of millions of dollars each year for shows that are offered free online. Comcast Chief Executive Brian L. Roberts is among the cable executives who have made their concerns known to TV programmers, both privately and publicly. He and other cable executives fear that Hulu could become the free alternative to cable TV subscriptions. If I am any one of these programmers, not just ESPN but the Food Network ... and I have a business in that 50 percent, 60 percent, 70 percent of my business comes from subscriptions, I want to think long and hard before I just put that content out there for free and not think through what it is going to mean to my business, Roberts said at an investor conference in May. Owning content would give Comcast some control over the matter. Arguably, their ability to shape online content distribution, and to recast windows for video on demand, would be an important attribute of any deal, wrote Craig Moffett, a cable industry analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein. Comcast's interest in NBC Universal would dramatically expand its entertainment portfolio with such attractive cable channels as USA Network, MSNBC and CNBC as well as the Universal Pictures movie studio. The proposed Comcast-NBC Universal venture also would give the cable operator a greater role in deciding how and when TV shows and movies are distributed online and at what price to consumers. The deal hinges on whether a French company, Vivendi, decides to unload its 20 percent stake in NBC Universal. Vivendi must decide in the next two months, and then federal regulators -- already concerned about media consolidation -- would have to sign off on
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
You're right on about Dog Soldiers. I first saw it late night one Saturday, and was pleased. It didn't scare me even though I was watching alone in the dark, yet it did hold my interest. Never saw The Incubus. Aside from the obvious, what's it about? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 4:47:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Mr Worf, IMO, pick up Dog Soldiers. It's not brilliant, incisive movie-making by any stretch. Just fun. Didn't scare me a lick, but I did get a kick out of it that horror movies haven't given me for -- well, forever, since Psycho. No, I take that back. The Incubus did make me jump, when I first saw it (because the evil only attacked women -- even young, it still rankled). And something made me IMDb the movie, to learn that (surprise surprise!) H'Wood is sorta remaking it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:17:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of Torture porn. There isn't a better name for it at this point. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like Shawn of the Dead, Twenty-Eight Days Later, and Dog Soldiers (the later is a movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically ,and is pretty good). - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it. If I were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a transformers DVD instead, based on those previews -Original Message- From:
RE: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem)
Actually, I mentioned that I liked her in her early comedies. I mean I was a fan. I liked her in executive decision. I'm probably the only one here who liked her as Jinx in Bond. I was hoping she would get the spin off. When I was modeling she was in a horrible sitcom called Living Dolls, it was about modeling and I loved her. For me, her strength is in comedies and action and adventure, but she wants to be a serious actress, so I guess she avoids them. I still like her, but now it is not really based on any work she has done. I said that I thought that she is not without talent, she has proven that, over and over, but I do not walk away moved. I wanted her as Catwoman, but the movie sucked. That is not her fault, but it does not do her any favors. I thought she was okay in Perfect Stranger, Gothika, and Swordfish, but nothing stands out. In her defense, none of those movies are stand out movies. I have not critiqued her talent, but as an early fan I have been underwhelmed lately. I need to see her in Things we lost in the Fire. I did not watch it when it came out because at the time, I really thought there was still a good chance I would die from my illness, so I only watched escapist movies. She is getting past the age, but I wish she had pursued more comedies and action flicks during her 20's and 30's. On the other hand had she done so, she might not be the most famous Black actress in Hollywood. By the way, there is another famous actress, I used to have a similar response to who did some great serious work, but is white. Meryl Streep. Her early work was good. Her performances were flawless. She won Oscars, but for some reason she did not really evoke much emotion from me. Now,I love her. I loved her in Doubt and The Devil Wears Prada Go figure -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem) Halle Berry (Halle Berr) Halle Berry (Halle Berry) she walk it like a model (yea) hands on ya knees (aye) scrrrub da ground, she ain't nuttin but a tease Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry ~Hurricane Chris - She's Fine (Halle Berry) I direct all Halle Berry haters to Strictly Business and Bullworth. Her first film work as a crack ho in Jungle Fever is still among her best work. Her work in Things we lost in the Fire with David Duchovny and Benicio Del Toro (who should have been nominated) is highly underrated. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: The movie, is horrible, but I love Catwoman. It's not something I watch over and over. I have seen long kiss goodnight, strange days, kill bill 2 and Batman II with Michele Pfieffer numerous times over the years. I still liked her tacky costume though Regarding Berry, I liked her in those comedies she did when she was young. I don’t hate her, I think she is pretty, I admire her accomplishments, but it does not translate to any of the films I see her in. She was okay in swordfish fish, but the best part of her character did not come out until the last 10 minutes of the movie. Gothika was okay, but I could take it or leave it. Catwoman was so poorly produced that I cannot blame her. Everybody looked bad in that. But to me she is almost like an affirmative action hire. If they want a black woman with box office pull (?), they go to her. I do not think she is without talent, but there is a lack of charisma. I cannot put my fingers on it, because I liked her back in the day From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:01 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem i don't think they're exceptions, at least, in terms of what your premise has been, especially if younger women are taken into account. And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of Catwoman. When i told her of this discussion, she laughed her head off. That movie was horrible! she said. like me, she doesn't think Berry is really that good of an actress, only seeming to convey any realism when she's on drugs or down-and-out. And to your point, I think that's the probem with her in themovie: she doesn't come close to conveying any of this subversive girl power you see in the flick. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:51:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , Keith
RE: [scifinoir2] article: OPINION: When Rich Black People Should Know Better
Contempt and disgust. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] article: OPINION: When Rich Black People Should Know Better Black Planet's article featuring Ms. Johnson from BET. http://newsone.com/nation/opinion-when-rich-black-people-should-know-better/
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I like that show, but the one I really miss is Jack and Bobby the series about the two brothers in our time, one of whom will become President in the future. Starring Christine Lahti as their mother, it was a smart, interesting show, especially in how we'd get flashbacks from the President's staffers and friends in the future, and then be brought back to our time to see how he was being shaped. really good show with a really good premise that, alas, didn't catch on. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:28:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem No, you're not, Tracey. I cussed up a streak when they canceled it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:57:04 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I loved her in that. I guess I was the only one From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:34 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series Commander in Chief. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight). The Long Kiss Goodnight is a great movie but both it and Cutthroat were box office bombs. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in “the long kiss goodnight†� She was an assassin who had amnesia and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a mother/assassin protecting her own. I thought she was s col! But I’m not specifically attracted to Gena Davis. Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords. I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother characters. Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the audience in on the satire From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What
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I can't do that kind of thing once. I can watch any manner of alien or supernatural movie, but anything that's based in reality--in terms of regular humans--I tend not to watch. I'm not too worried about Frankenstein's Monster or Dracula showing up on my doorstep. But a crazed, cannibalistic serial killer? Unlikey (one hopes) but not impossible. I like the fantasy line separating the impossible from the possible. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:12:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I liked the first saw, but I cannot do that kind of thing on a regular basis From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:55 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I don't do torture porn either. Just not my thing. I still believe that real horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that Hostel and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for me. I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one of his buddies. I forget the name--The Cave?--but it was about the usual group of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they contract some kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all but decay. It was actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what helped is that this was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was cut, but the gist of it was still there. It was a really good time waster for a cold, rainy Saturday afternoon. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent : Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of Torture porn. There isn't a better name for it at this point. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like Shawn of the Dead, Twenty-Eight Days Later, and Dog Soldiers (the later is a movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically ,and is pretty good). - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher horror. If I had
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It's not a standard horror/slasher flick. The problem in American cinema has been that for the last few decades, horror has indeed degenerated mostly into slasher flicks where nubile copulating teens get killed, and the only real suspense is how the next death will outdo the last. Dog Soldiers is more of a well written movie with above average acting (you'll recognize some of the actors from other stuff if you watch much British fare) and professional direction. Americans have OD'd so much on gore, sex, and cheap thrills, we've lost the ability to watch a plot that actually builds toward something. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:54:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I'll try to catch it when they show it again on syfy. I think I burned myself out on horror/slasher movies when I was a teen. My friend lived down the street from a video store that carried a lot of b movies (including faces of death) and we would often watch 4 movies or more a night on the weekends. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Mr Worf, IMO, pick up Dog Soldiers. It's not brilliant, incisive movie-making by any stretch. Just fun. Didn't scare me a lick, but I did get a kick out of it that horror movies haven't given me for -- well, forever, since Psycho. No, I take that back. The Incubus did make me jump, when I first saw it (because the evil only attacked women -- even young, it still rankled). And something made me IMDb the movie, to learn that (surprise surprise!) H'Wood is sorta remaking it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:17:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of Torture porn. There isn't a better name for it at this point. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like Shawn of the Dead, Twenty-Eight Days Later, and Dog Soldiers (the later is a movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically ,and is pretty good). - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher
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I think Berry isn't a good actress, but an average one. She only seems able to be convincing when she plays extremes: a drug addict, a down-and-out woman who ends up having sex with a bigot, a BAP. But when she's called upon to do nuance or subtlety, she just seems to be trying. You can all but see her lips moving as she recites her lines before speaking them. I think she's too aware of being on screen. Phyllis and I saw her in that supposed sexy thriller last year (the name escapes me but Giovanni Ribisi and Bruce Willis were her co-stars). We just never bought her in the role. It wasn't just that it was a silly movie, Berry just didn't hold our attention, and when she was called upon to act angry or something, we actually laughed. Only when her character displayed some...weird traits...did she stop appearing to be acting. Ted Danson once said Acting is the art of pretending to be someone else while pretending you're not pretending. I don't think Berry's too good at that pretending. She seems to be too nervous, too self-conscious. It's as if she's always on stage, always trying to convey an image, trying to gauge what people think about her, instead of just being natural. It's hard for me to describe too, but there's a lack of a sense of self, a lack of self-composure. I've felt that every time I've seen her in interviews, and it translates to her acting. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:33:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem The movie, is horrible, but I love Catwoman. It’s not something I watch over and over. I have seen long kiss goodnight, strange days, kill bill 2 and Batman II with Michele Pfieffer numerous times over the years. I still liked her tacky costume though Regarding Berry, I liked her in those comedies she did when she was young. I don’t hate her, I think she is pretty, I admire her accomplishments, but it does not translate to any of the films I see her in. She was okay in swordfish fish, but the best part of her character did not come out until the last 10 minutes of the movie. Gothika was okay, but I could take it or leave it. Catwoman was so poorly produced that I cannot blame her. Everybody looked bad in that. But to me she is almost like an affirmative action hire. If they want a black woman with box office pull (?), they go to her. I do not think she is without talent, but there is a lack of charisma. I cannot put my fingers on it, because I liked her back in the day From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:01 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem i don't think they're exceptions, at least, in terms of what your premise has been, especially if younger women are taken into account. And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of Catwoman. When i told her of this discussion, she laughed her head off. That movie was horrible! she said. like me, she doesn't think Berry is really that good of an actress, only seeming to convey any realism when she's on drugs or down-and-out. And to your point, I think that's the probem with her in themovie: she doesn't come close to conveying any of this subversive girl power you see in the flick. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:51:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or even angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox. Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule at the box office. (I suspect they are closet Catwoman fans); ~rave!
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I was delighted to see Kyle Secor--Bayliss from the fantastic series Homicide--in the role as Davis' husband. Another underrated, underused actor... - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:44:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I loved Commander in Chief. I also think it is criminal how ABC mishandled it - firing the creator and original producer - and let it die. Harry Lennix was excellent as her chief of staff. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series Commander in Chief. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@... Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight). The Long Kiss Goodnight is a great movie but both it and Cutthroat were box office bombs. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in â€Åthe long kiss goodnight� She was an assassin who had amnesia and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a mother/assassin protecting her own. I thought she was s col! But I’m not specifically attracted to Gena Davis. Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords. I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother characters. Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the audience in on the satire From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdlists@ Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I
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They show that on Comcast on demand here. I always meant to check it out From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:37 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I like that show, but the one I really miss is Jack and Bobby the series about the two brothers in our time, one of whom will become President in the future. Starring Christine Lahti as their mother, it was a smart, interesting show, especially in how we'd get flashbacks from the President's staffers and friends in the future, and then be brought back to our time to see how he was being shaped. really good show with a really good premise that, alas, didn't catch on. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:28:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem No, you're not, Tracey. I cussed up a streak when they canceled it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:57:04 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I loved her in that. I guess I was the only one From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:34 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series Commander in Chief. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight). The Long Kiss Goodnight is a great movie but both it and Cutthroat were box office bombs. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in “the long kiss goodnight� She was an assassin who had amnesia and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a mother/assassin protecting her own. I thought she was s col! But I’m not specifically attracted to Gena Davis. Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords. I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother characters. Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the audience in on the satire From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who
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The first Saw got rave reviews and Danny Glover. I was curious, good and disturbing. But over and over to me is just sadistic. Also more than once and many variations is not original. It been a long time, but I do not remember the first saw being about a crazed cannibalistic serial killer From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:39 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I can't do that kind of thing once. I can watch any manner of alien or supernatural movie, but anything that's based in reality--in terms of regular humans--I tend not to watch. I'm not too worried about Frankenstein's Monster or Dracula showing up on my doorstep. But a crazed, cannibalistic serial killer? Unlikey (one hopes) but not impossible. I like the fantasy line separating the impossible from the possible. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:12:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I liked the first saw, but I cannot do that kind of thing on a regular basis From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:55 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I don't do torture porn either. Just not my thing. I still believe that real horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that Hostel and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for me. I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one of his buddies. I forget the name--The Cave?--but it was about the usual group of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they contract some kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all but decay. It was actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what helped is that this was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was cut, but the gist of it was still there. It was a really good time waster for a cold, rainy Saturday afternoon. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent : Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of Torture porn. There isn't a better name for it at this point. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like Shawn of the Dead, Twenty-Eight Days Later, and Dog Soldiers (the later is a movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically ,and is pretty good). - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be
Re: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem)
I told Phyllis recently that Meryl Streep is a delight, and what a discovery for a black man to say that! I first was moved by her in the movie with Renee Zellweger and Wiliam Hurt where she played a seemingly clueless housewife to her serious, wannabe writer husband. Streep was the polar opposite of my opinion of her, which was as the near ice princess of all the period pieces and heavy dramas. I later saw her in The Bridges of Madison County and was impressed. What sealed it for me, though, was seeing her live. Streep won an awardfor acting in a miniseries--I think it was Angels in America. When she took the stage, there was no sign of the controlled, posed woman of stuff like Out of Africa. Instead, she was laughing raucously, and accepted the award by joking, Sometimes I think I'm over rated--but not tonight! I've seen her in other interviews and she is an incredibly fun, lively person she just draws me in. And along with that, as she's aged, gained a bit of weight, and fallen away from those Merchant Ivory type films, she's expanded her roles, from Prada to that movie with Angela Bassett about teaching inner city kids the violin, to Jules and Julia. Her range is astounding, her ability to move from comedy to camp to drama a rare thing that few actresses possesss. Count this black man a fan of Meryl Streep. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:24:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem) Actually, I mentioned that I liked her in her early comedies. I mean I was a fan. I liked her in executive decision. I'm probably the only one here who liked her as Jinx in Bond. I was hoping she would get the spin off. When I was modeling she was in a horrible sitcom called Living Dolls, it was about modeling and I loved her. For me, her strength is in comedies and action and adventure, but she wants to be a serious actress, so I guess she avoids them. I still like her, but now it is not really based on any work she has done. I said that I thought that she is not without talent, she has proven that, over and over, but I do not walk away moved. I wanted her as Catwoman, but the movie sucked. That is not her fault, but it does not do her any favors. I thought she was okay in Perfect Stranger, Gothika, and Swordfish, but nothing stands out. In her defense, none of those movies are stand out movies. I have not critiqued her talent, but as an early fan I have been underwhelmed lately. I need to see her in Things we lost in the Fire. I did not watch it when it came out because at the time, I really thought there was still a good chance I would die from my illness, so I only watched escapist movies. She is getting past the age, but I wish she had pursued more comedies and action flicks during her 20's and 30's. On the other hand had she done so, she might not be the most famous Black actress in Hollywood. By the way, there is another famous actress, I used to have a similar response to who did some great serious work, but is white. Meryl Streep. Her early work was good. Her performances were flawless. She won Oscars, but for some reason she did not really evoke much emotion from me. Now,I love her. I loved her in Doubt and The Devil Wears Prada Go figure -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem) Halle Berry (Halle Berr) Halle Berry (Halle Berry) she walk it like a model (yea) hands on ya knees (aye) scrrrub da ground, she ain't nuttin but a tease Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry ~Hurricane Chris - She's Fine (Halle Berry) I direct all Halle Berry haters to Strictly Business and Bullworth. Her first film work as a crack ho in Jungle Fever is still among her best work. Her work in Things we lost in the Fire with David Duchovny and Benicio Del Toro (who should have been nominated) is highly underrated. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: The movie, is horrible, but I love Catwoman. It's not something I watch over and over. I have seen long kiss goodnight, strange days, kill bill 2 and Batman II with Michele Pfieffer numerous times over the years. I still liked her tacky costume though Regarding Berry, I liked her in those comedies she did when she was young. I don’t hate her, I think she is pretty, I admire her accomplishments, but it does not translate to any of the films I see her in. She was okay in swordfish fish, but the best part of her character did not come out
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
Maybe that is the problem. I do not know. I still liked her in the comedies From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:49 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I think Berry isn't a good actress, but an average one. She only seems able to be convincing when she plays extremes: a drug addict, a down-and-out woman who ends up having sex with a bigot, a BAP. But when she's called upon to do nuance or subtlety, she just seems to be trying. You can all but see her lips moving as she recites her lines before speaking them. I think she's too aware of being on screen. Phyllis and I saw her in that supposed sexy thriller last year (the name escapes me but Giovanni Ribisi and Bruce Willis were her co-stars). We just never bought her in the role. It wasn't just that it was a silly movie, Berry just didn't hold our attention, and when she was called upon to act angry or something, we actually laughed. Only when her character displayed some...weird traits...did she stop appearing to be acting. Ted Danson once said Acting is the art of pretending to be someone else while pretending you're not pretending. I don't think Berry's too good at that pretending. She seems to be too nervous, too self-conscious. It's as if she's always on stage, always trying to convey an image, trying to gauge what people think about her, instead of just being natural. It's hard for me to describe too, but there's a lack of a sense of self, a lack of self-composure. I've felt that every time I've seen her in interviews, and it translates to her acting. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:33:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem The movie, is horrible, but I love Catwoman. It’s not something I watch over and over. I have seen long kiss goodnight, strange days, kill bill 2 and Batman II with Michele Pfieffer numerous times over the years. I still liked her tacky costume though Regarding Berry, I liked her in those comedies she did when she was young. I don’t hate her, I think she is pretty, I admire her accomplishments, but it does not translate to any of the films I see her in. She was okay in swordfish fish, but the best part of her character did not come out until the last 10 minutes of the movie. Gothika was okay, but I could take it or leave it. Catwoman was so poorly produced that I cannot blame her. Everybody looked bad in that. But to me she is almost like an affirmative action hire. If they want a black woman with box office pull (?), they go to her. I do not think she is without talent, but there is a lack of charisma. I cannot put my fingers on it, because I liked her back in the day From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:01 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem i don't think they're exceptions, at least, in terms of what your premise has been, especially if younger women are taken into account. And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of Catwoman. When i told her of this discussion, she laughed her head off. That movie was horrible! she said. like me, she doesn't think Berry is really that good of an actress, only seeming to convey any realism when she's on drugs or down-and-out. And to your point, I think that's the probem with her in themovie: she doesn't come close to conveying any of this subversive girl power you see in the flick. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:51:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or even angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox. Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule at the box office. (I suspect they are closet Catwoman fans); ~rave!
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Very, very good series. All three principals are talented actors. Lahti is great as always, and the actors who play her two sons are very impressive. They each have a presence, a serious about them that makes you believe they could be destined for greatness. The whole future flashback angle is good. I never watched West Wing (just never got on my schedule) but I imagine this has some of its quality, even though the takes are vastly different. You have to stick with the first few eps, and especially let those flashes of the future seep in, as they tell the story. So much lost potential. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:53:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem They show that on Comcast on demand here. I always meant to check it out From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:37 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I like that show, but the one I really miss is Jack and Bobby the series about the two brothers in our time, one of whom will become President in the future. Starring Christine Lahti as their mother, it was a smart, interesting show, especially in how we'd get flashbacks from the President's staffers and friends in the future, and then be brought back to our time to see how he was being shaped. really good show with a really good premise that, alas, didn't catch on. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:28:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem No, you're not, Tracey. I cussed up a streak when they canceled it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:57:04 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I loved her in that. I guess I was the only one From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:34 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series Commander in Chief. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight). The Long Kiss Goodnight is a great movie but both it and Cutthroat were box office bombs. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in “the long kiss goodnight†� She was an assassin who had amnesia and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a mother/assassin protecting her own. I thought she was s col! But I’m not specifically attracted to Gena Davis. Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords. I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother characters. Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the audience in on the satire From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ]
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No, but it's not a supernatural film, right? So it may be implausible, but not impossible. I just never like to watch films like that where the killer could exist in the real world. Like I said, not worried about the Wolfma living next door, but Henry Lee Lucas or Dahmer? It could happen... - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:57:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem The first Saw got rave reviews and Danny Glover. I was curious, good and disturbing. But over and over to me is just sadistic. Also more than once and many variations is not original. It been a long time, but I do not remember the first saw being about a crazed cannibalistic serial killer From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:39 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I can't do that kind of thing once. I can watch any manner of alien or supernatural movie, but anything that's based in reality--in terms of regular humans--I tend not to watch. I'm not too worried about Frankenstein's Monster or Dracula showing up on my doorstep. But a crazed, cannibalistic serial killer? Unlikey (one hopes) but not impossible. I like the fantasy line separating the impossible from the possible. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:12:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I liked the first saw, but I cannot do that kind of thing on a regular basis From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:55 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I don't do torture porn either. Just not my thing. I still believe that real horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that Hostel and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for me. I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one of his buddies. I forget the name--The Cave?--but it was about the usual group of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they contract some kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all but decay. It was actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what helped is that this was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was cut, but the gist of it was still there. It was a really good time waster for a cold, rainy Saturday afternoon. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent : Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of Torture porn. There isn't a better name for it at this point. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like Shawn of the Dead, Twenty-Eight Days Later, and Dog Soldiers (the later is a movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically ,and is pretty good). - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
RE: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem)
I think Bridges of Madison County is when I started liking out. Out of Africa, did nothing. Her movies in the 80s and 90’s were all like that, controlled, Not any more. What is the movie with William Hurt? Did you see her in Doubt? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem) I told Phyllis recently that Meryl Streep is a delight, and what a discovery for a black man to say that! I first was moved by her in the movie with Renee Zellweger and Wiliam Hurt where she played a seemingly clueless housewife to her serious, wannabe writer husband. Streep was the polar opposite of my opinion of her, which was as the near ice princess of all the period pieces and heavy dramas. I later saw her in The Bridges of Madison County and was impressed. What sealed it for me, though, was seeing her live. Streep won an awardfor acting in a miniseries--I think it was Angels in America. When she took the stage, there was no sign of the controlled, posed woman of stuff like Out of Africa. Instead, she was laughing raucously, and accepted the award by joking, Sometimes I think I'm over rated--but not tonight! I've seen her in other interviews and she is an incredibly fun, lively person she just draws me in. And along with that, as she's aged, gained a bit of weight, and fallen away from those Merchant Ivory type films, she's expanded her roles, from Prada to that movie with Angela Bassett about teaching inner city kids the violin, to Jules and Julia. Her range is astounding, her ability to move from comedy to camp to drama a rare thing that few actresses possesss. Count this black man a fan of Meryl Streep. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:24:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem) Actually, I mentioned that I liked her in her early comedies. I mean I was a fan. I liked her in executive decision. I'm probably the only one here who liked her as Jinx in Bond. I was hoping she would get the spin off. When I was modeling she was in a horrible sitcom called Living Dolls, it was about modeling and I loved her. For me, her strength is in comedies and action and adventure, but she wants to be a serious actress, so I guess she avoids them. I still like her, but now it is not really based on any work she has done. I said that I thought that she is not without talent, she has proven that, over and over, but I do not walk away moved. I wanted her as Catwoman, but the movie sucked. That is not her fault, but it does not do her any favors. I thought she was okay in Perfect Stranger, Gothika, and Swordfish, but nothing stands out. In her defense, none of those movies are stand out movies. I have not critiqued her talent, but as an early fan I have been underwhelmed lately. I need to see her in Things we lost in the Fire. I did not watch it when it came out because at the time, I really thought there was still a good chance I would die from my illness, so I only watched escapist movies. She is getting past the age, but I wish she had pursued more comedies and action flicks during her 20's and 30's. On the other hand had she done so, she might not be the most famous Black actress in Hollywood. By the way, there is another famous actress, I used to have a similar response to who did some great serious work, but is white. Meryl Streep. Her early work was good. Her performances were flawless. She won Oscars, but for some reason she did not really evoke much emotion from me. Now,I love her. I loved her in Doubt and The Devil Wears Prada Go figure -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem) Halle Berry (Halle Berr) Halle Berry (Halle Berry) she walk it like a model (yea) hands on ya knees (aye) scrrrub da ground, she ain't nuttin but a tease Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry ~Hurricane Chris - She's Fine (Halle Berry) I direct all Halle Berry haters to Strictly Business and Bullworth. Her first film work as a crack ho in Jungle Fever is still among her best work. Her work in Things we lost in the Fire with David Duchovny and Benicio Del Toro (who should have been nominated) is highly underrated. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem - Last thought from me
First off, let me say I've enjoyed this discussion. you always make good points, express interesting views, even when I disagree with them. Your observations, reviews, and essays have made me consciously try to step up my game as a writer, reviewer, and critic. So, apologies if I'm off, but the way you've dismissed every actress several of us have offered up makes it seem as if Fox is doing something revolutionary, and she ain't. I note this is the second or third discussion recently in which you've said that I'm ignoring something that I don't agree with you on, as if I'm trying to put my head in the sand and hide from some fact of life. That's not the case. I'm not trying to hide from some great universal truth you're expounding, I just don't agree with your examples. i concede there is a whole discussion to be had about how h'Wood presents women, and how society at large want to view their actresses. No one is harder on a woman than another woman threatened by/jealous of her. And I agree that raw, open sexuality isn't something Americans know how to handle, Thus, we have movies full of amazingly graphic violence that get R ratings and to which parents take their kids, while we freak out and give NC-17 to films dealing frankly with sexuality, fearing they'll turn our kids into degenerates. So yeah, there's a discussion to be had about a dominatrix-looking heroine, and whether America can handle it. There's a discussion to be had about whether women don't want to see a actress oozing raw sex. I just don't think your two examples meet those standards. Catwoman is a horrible flick, and Berry wasn't a good choice for it at any rate. She just doesn't have that raw sexuality in my opinion, and isn't that deep an actress--at least, not enough to pull off Pitof's failure. Fox looks like a doll to me who never moves. Her range of expressions has been limited, and every review I read of Jennifer's Body said it was a movie with good intentions but bad execution. I think that in both cases--Fox and Berry--you're using bad proofs to support your theory. Neither woman to my mind is all that primal and sexual, neither has really blown me away with their acting. I think the lack of support for those movies of theirs is simply based on teh fact that--they're bad movies with actresses who may not be that skilled. okay, enough! i'm done with this one. Thanks for introducing the topic! - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:58:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I am fascinated by how you have (twice) interjected the notion that both the source article and I have suggested that Miss Fox was the first actress in history who's superficially beautiful, possesses innate sexuality, and is confident and independent. This is clearly not the case and cannot be divined from any of my posts. And let me reiterate again that outside of One Million Years BC, Raquel Welch was box office poison. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Man I had to read this thrice to get it! I don't see how a woman can have sexual power without being sexy. But let's skip that for a moment. I agree beauty and sexual appeal don't always go hand in hand. Like I said, Halle Berry is on the surface prettier than Rosario Dawson (my opinion), but Dawson can be way more appealing and sexually attractive. But I think we just disagree. Fox is pretty as hell, but Racquel Welch in her prime puts the girl to shame. The article and you act as if Fox is the first actress in history who's superficially beautiful, possesses innate sexuality, and is confident and independent, and that turns off women. I think that's giving Fox way too much credit, dismissing many actresses who have the whole package in spades--and i can think of many besides whom Fox pales--and lending some kind of weight to the failure of a film that by all accounts simply isn't that good. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:02:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote: I'm not getting how Fox has a sexuality that's beyond what Pam Grier or Racquel Welch or Michele Pfeiffer or Liz Taylor had, so that said sexuality is turning women off from her. Beauty and sexual power are not synonymous. Whoppi Goldberg has sexual power (ask Ted Danson and Frank Langella) but she is not sexy or beautiful. Eartha Kitt exuded sexual power but while sexy, she was not beautiful. The most famous femme fatale of all time, Mata Hari, was known more for her sensuality and eroticism rather than
[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of Catwoman. When i told her of this discussion, she laughed her head off. That movie was horrible! she said. Well, Keith, if she admitted it she wouldn't be a closet fan. She'd be out here in the open with the rest of us Cat lovers. ~rave!
Re: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem)
The movie is One True Thing. Hurt plays a college writing professor who tries very hard to be an intellectual. Zellwegger is his daughter, who's trying to be a writer, and always looks to her father for approval that he never fully gives. He continually critiques her work with an air of superiourity--an odd fact given that, despite his tenure, he never became a famous writer himself. Connecting these two would-be intellectuals is Streep, who's the polar opposite. She's the wife who makes scrapbooks, who insists on dressing up for Halloween even if she's staying home. She's the one who wears country-looking aprons and bakes brownies while her husband tries to look and act like Plato. Her Edith Bunker like behaviour seems to be a complete mismatch to her husband's erudition. Her daughter is irritated and at times repulsed by her mother's behaviour, which she sees as silly, vacuous, and a bit demeaning in how she caters to her father. She sees her dead as an icon to be sought after, but her mom as a silly person who needs to get a clue. All that changes when Streep's character becomes deathly ill, and the tragedy makes everyone reevaluate the meaning of strength. It's a movie built on a sad story, but with good performances that make you think. It's not a feel good movie, but also not a tear jerker; at least, not totally. At the end, I was sad, but really liked the lesson learned. I can understand not wanting to deal with that subject matter in any way though. For years as a younger man, I was befuddled by older relatives who couldn't watch sad movies in which people died, had terminal illnesses, spent all their time in the hospital, etc. I remember once thinking my mom was being a bit weak when she asked me to turn the TV away from ER. I didn't get my older brother refusing to watch Deep Impact because I told him it was good movie with some really sad moments. Then, starting in 2001 and continuing for about six years, I lost my father, my mother, two aunts, and two uncles. Four of the deaths--including my father's--took place in a three month span of time following 9-11. During that same time, we lost Phyllis' mother, two of Phyllis' brothers, both her aunts, three of her favorite cousins. My sister's young son (age 8) got throat cancer and needed his larynx removed, then, last year, that sister was diagnosed with cancer, which was successfully treated, though it now seems to be back. During that same time, i developed a bunch of issues which necessitated scans and such. After all that, i'm a bit more sensitive. I tear up more quickly at hospital shows, and am more hesitant to watch really sad movies at certain times. i was freely crying at the opening of Up, as the story unfolding brought memories and stirred up fears. I find myself planning more when watching a sad movie, whereas in the past I'd just plop down and watch it.Even goofy soap opera hosptial scenes are harder for me to watch now. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:04:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem) I think Bridges of Madison County is when I started liking out. Out of Africa, did nothing. Her movies in the 80s and 90’s were all like that, controlled, Not any more. What is the movie with William Hurt? Did you see her in Doubt? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem) I told Phyllis recently that Meryl Streep is a delight, and what a discovery for a black man to say that! I first was moved by her in the movie with Renee Zellweger and Wiliam Hurt where she played a seemingly clueless housewife to her serious, wannabe writer husband. Streep was the polar opposite of my opinion of her, which was as the near ice princess of all the period pieces and heavy dramas. I later saw her in The Bridges of Madison County and was impressed. What sealed it for me, though, was seeing her live. Streep won an awardfor acting in a miniseries--I think it was Angels in America. When she took the stage, there was no sign of the controlled, posed woman of stuff like Out of Africa. Instead, she was laughing raucously, and accepted the award by joking, Sometimes I think I'm over rated--but not tonight! I've seen her in other interviews and she is an incredibly fun, lively person she just draws me in. And along with that, as she's aged, gained a bit of weight, and fallen away from those Merchant Ivory type films, she's expanded her roles, from Prada to that movie with Angela Bassett about teaching inner city kids the violin, to Jules and
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
Ha, trust me, my wife doesn't hide her opinions. In fact she was the one who asked me to rent Catwoman because of the things I've said. She *wanted* to like the film. She wanted to support Berry having fun with the role. She thought it'd be a fun romp in which we could laugh at the goofy/sexualized portrayal. My wife loves to cheer for actresses who do their thing, especially Black ones. But it was so bad she just shook her head... - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:15:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of Catwoman. When i told her of this discussion, she laughed her head off. That movie was horrible! she said. Well, Keith, if she admitted it she wouldn't be a closet fan. She'd be out here in the open with the rest of us Cat lovers. ~rave!
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
You are bringing back memories and making me cry. I lived in Mexico at the time, but had visited for two weeks during the premier. I thought it was a hit when I left. What did ABC do to take it down? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:50 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I was delighted to see Kyle Secor--Bayliss from the fantastic series Homicide--in the role as Davis' husband. Another underrated, underused actor... - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:44:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I loved Commander in Chief. I also think it is criminal how ABC mishandled it - firing the creator and original producer - and let it die. Harry Lennix was excellent as her chief of staff. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series Commander in Chief. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@... Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight). The Long Kiss Goodnight is a great movie but both it and Cutthroat were box office bombs. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in â€Åthe long kiss goodnight� She was an assassin who had amnesia and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a mother/assassin protecting her own. I thought she was s col! But I’m not specifically attracted to Gena Davis. Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords. I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother characters. Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the audience in on the satire From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
If I remember correctly, the ratings came out really high, then they fell off. I think this was one of those shows where only a few shows were ordered up front, which didn't help. I believe it was pre-empted and moved a couple of times, which didn't help. And, i believe the new trend of micro-analyzing viewer numbers hurt it. Remember the days when new series got a whole *season* to succeed or fail? When a show got 26 or 28 eps in a season, instead of maybe 4 - 6 as a trial run? When ratings where averaged for an entire season, not broken down into this new method where a show's rating's from the first to second half of one airing are measured?! That's what killed this show. Yeah, the ratings dipped, but with some committment it could have found its legs. About 19 total eps were aired, but once the ratings dipped, the network was obviously skittish about it. We've discussed this time and time again, but think of all the great shows that we'd never have had if networks had cancelled them after bad ratings in the first few weeks. As an aside, I wonder if the show would do better now, just a few years later? I note that Davis' character only became President because she was the Veep and rose to office after the (male) President died. I seem to remember some of the politicians--men--expecting her to step down. As late as 2005, it was seen as a long shot that a woman could ascend to the White House just by being elected, or garner respect if she did. Then came Hillary, Obama, and Palin. Now, the thought of a woman or a person of color in the White House isn't a fantasy (I contend, despite the way some women lost their minds in rage at Obama defeating Clinton, that his success opens the doors for women as well as men of color, and I don't know if the reverse would have been true). Now we're in a new world, a world where not only can we seriously consider a female President, but some actually consider giving it to a dangerous, idiotic waste like Palin. That's progress, I guess, but I think now the show would do a bit better. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:42:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem You are bringing back memories and making me cry. I lived in Mexico at the time, but had visited for two weeks during the premier. I thought it was a hit when I left. What did ABC do to take it down? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:50 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I was delighted to see Kyle Secor--Bayliss from the fantastic series Homicide--in the role as Davis' husband. Another underrated, underused actor... - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:44:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I loved Commander in Chief. I also think it is criminal how ABC mishandled it - firing the creator and original producer - and let it die. Harry Lennix was excellent as her chief of staff. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series Commander in Chief. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravena...@... Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight). The Long Kiss Goodnight is a great movie but both it and Cutthroat were box office bombs. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in â€Åthe long kiss goodnight� She was an assassin who had amnesia and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a mother/assassin protecting her own. I thought she was s col! But
[scifinoir2] OT: From the WTF?! News
And those idiotic, bigoted rubes had the nerve to cast aspersion on the Obamas??!!! Lord, can you imagine the things that'd have been said if one of Obama's daughters had been old enough to get pregnant by a ne'er do well like this? You know damn well that, had said daugher's boyfriend gone and done something like this, the Limbaughs and Becks would have somehow blamed it on Obama's failings as a leader and moral example. I'm not knocking simple, trailer folk: I went to school with a lot of them. But at least they weren't trying to run the country and calling anyone not like them un-American. The whole gang is common. Hell, compared to the Palin circle of family and friends, the Real Housewives of Atlanta are elite! * Father of Palin's grandson to pose for Playgirl By RACHEL D'ORO The Associated Press • ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Levi Johnston is going for the ultimate exposure — his bare body. Enlarge photo FILE - In this July 9, 2009 file photo, Levi Johnston, 19, is seen during a news conference in Anchorage, Alaska. Johnston, the former fiance of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's 18-year-old daughter, Bristol Palin will pose for Playgirl. Johnston's attorney, Rex Butler, says a formal agreement has not been reached with the online magazine but adds it's a foregone conclusionit will happen. (AP Photo/Mark Thiessen, file)FILE - In this July 9, 2009 file photo, Levi Johnston, 19, is seen during a news conference in Anchorage, Alaska. Johnston, the former fiance of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's 18-year-old daughter, Bristol Palin will pose for Playgirl. Johnston's attorney, Rex Butler, says a formal agreement has not been reached with the online magazine but adds it's a foregone conclusionit will happen. (AP Photo/Mark Thiessen, file) Posing nude for Playgirl is next for the 19-year-old father of Sarah Palin's grandchild. Johnston's attorney, Rex Butler, said Wednesday that a formal agreement has not been reached with the online magazine but adds it's a foregone conclusion it will happen. a target=_blank href=http://ad.doubleclick.net/click%3Bh=v8/38c0/7/107/%2a/g%3B215059246%3B0-0%3B0%3B32060273%3B4307-300/250%3B32577262/32595139/1%3B%3B%7Esscs%3D%3fhttp://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=162cean5q/M=600020782.600024553.400168063.403469634/D=ncnws/S=2022775850:LREC/Y=PARTNER_US/L=02bff844-b3c7-11de-a24f-ef7e9352e622/B=zxz7AmKIDWo-/J=1254977819380486/K=ygoPuDxLallY0P2cWmoMmQ/EXP=1254985019/A=171870874375383/R=1/X=2/*http://www.airtran.com/sale/default.aspx;img src=http://m1.2mdn.net/1646434/Cubicle_300x250_air_90992_7.14-7.28_sale.jpg; width=300 height=250 border=0 alt= galleryimg=no/a A HREF=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=162cean5q/M=600020782.600024553.400168063.403469634/D=ncnws/S=2022775850:LREC/Y=PARTNER_US/L=02bff844-b3c7-11de-a24f-ef7e9352e622/B=zxz7AmKIDWo-/J=1254977819380486/K=ygoPuDxLallY0P2cWmoMmQ/EXP=1254985019/A=171870874375383/R=0/X=2/SIG=12np0huob/*http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/N4674.AJC/B3318926.14;sz=300x250;ord=1254977819380486?; IMG SRC=http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/N4674.AJC/B3318926.14;sz=300x250;ord=1254977819380486?; BORDER=0 WIDTH=300 HEIGHT=250 ALT=Click Here/A Johnston fathered a child with Bristol, the 18-year-old daughter of Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice presidential candidate and former Alaska governor. To get ready for his close-up, Johnston is training three hours a day, six nights a week at an Anchorage gym with a local body builder, Marvin Jones, a former Mr. Alaska competitor. Playgirl spokesman Vincent Stevens could not immediately be reached for comment.
[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
Add to what Keith said the fact that the show's creator, Rob Lurie, was dethroned as Executive Producer (allegedly because he was overwhelmed as a rookie show runner and having trouble delivering shows on time - even though Lurie had run shows before) and replaced by Steven Bochco - who proceeded to Bochco up the show - which is exactly what ABC wanted but the last thing fans of the show wanted. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: If I remember correctly, the ratings came out really high, then they fell off. I think this was one of those shows where only a few shows were ordered up front, which didn't help. I believe it was pre-empted and moved a couple of times, which didn't help. And, i believe the new trend of micro-analyzing viewer numbers hurt it. Remember the days when new series got a whole *season* to succeed or fail? When a show got 26 or 28 eps in a season, instead of maybe 4 - 6 as a trial run? When ratings where averaged for an entire season, not broken down into this new method where a show's rating's from the first to second half of one airing are measured?! That's what killed this show. Yeah, the ratings dipped, but with some committment it could have found its legs. About 19 total eps were aired, but once the ratings dipped, the network was obviously skittish about it. We've discussed this time and time again, but think of all the great shows that we'd never have had if networks had cancelled them after bad ratings in the first few weeks. As an aside, I wonder if the show would do better now, just a few years later? I note that Davis' character only became President because she was the Veep and rose to office after the (male) President died. I seem to remember some of the politicians--men--expecting her to step down. As late as 2005, it was seen as a long shot that a woman could ascend to the White House just by being elected, or garner respect if she did. Then came Hillary, Obama, and Palin. Now, the thought of a woman or a person of color in the White House isn't a fantasy (I contend, despite the way some women lost their minds in rage at Obama defeating Clinton, that his success opens the doors for women as well as men of color, and I don't know if the reverse would have been true). Now we're in a new world, a world where not only can we seriously consider a female President, but some actually consider giving it to a dangerous, idiotic waste like Palin. That's progress, I guess, but I think now the show would do a bit better. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:42:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem You are bringing back memories and making me cry. I lived in Mexico at the time, but had visited for two weeks during the premier. I thought it was a hit when I left. What did ABC do to take it down? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:50 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I was delighted to see Kyle Secor--Bayliss from the fantastic series Homicide--in the role as Davis' husband. Another underrated, underused actor... - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:44:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I loved Commander in Chief. I also think it is criminal how ABC mishandled it - firing the creator and original producer - and let it die. Harry Lennix was excellent as her chief of staff. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series Commander in Chief. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravenadal@ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: Cutthroat Island and The Long Kiss Goodnight). The Long Kiss Goodnight is a great movie but both it and Cutthroat were box office bombs. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote:
Re: [scifinoir2] This week on House
I could not think of a circumstance where I would say yes. I would want to, but rather than ending life, I would try to limit damage by warning people, getting as many out of the way as possible, or trying to change the dictator if possible. It's not nobility of character that makes me not want to kill the person. I am simply afraid of making things worse. We always assume that the world would have been a better place if not for... (you fill in the evil dictator). What if that is not the case? What if their level of evil prevented something even more catastrophic/devastating from taking place in the future. I simply don't believe I have the wisdom to mettle in the affairs meant to be decided only by the Divine. --- On Wed, 10/7/09, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] This week on House To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 7:31 PM Let's make it a little easier to make the decision. What if it was Pol Pot, Hitler, Idi Amin or Bin Ladin? On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com wrote: Such issues are sadly absent from TV these days, Mr Worf. And, to answer, I don't think I could. I'm racking my brain right now, to find a scenario that would allow me to say yes, and nothing comes up. If anything, I get a few that let me finish the job that the ailment started. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:58:33 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] This week on House James Earl Jones was the guest star this week as an evil African dictator with a mystery ailment. The show brought up an interesting moral dilemma. Would you save a man that has killed and brutalized thousands, and could possibly go on and kill thousands of people in the future? Moral questions seem to be missing greatly from tv as of late. They are always topic for a show. What do you think? -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
One version I saw of Incubus is about a woman who is haunted by her abusive ex-husband's ghost. He cuts her body repeatedly, throws her across the room, and rapes her. It is loosely based on a true story. There are 9 different movies with that title. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: You're right on about Dog Soldiers. I first saw it late night one Saturday, and was pleased. It didn't scare me even though I was watching alone in the dark, yet it did hold my interest. Never saw The Incubus. Aside from the obvious, what's it about? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 4:47:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Mr Worf, IMO, pick up Dog Soldiers. It's not brilliant, incisive movie-making by any stretch. Just fun. Didn't scare me a lick, but I did get a kick out of it that horror movies haven't given me for -- well, forever, since Psycho. No, I take that back. The Incubus did make me jump, when I first saw it (because the evil only attacked women -- even young, it still rankled). And something made me IMDb the movie, to learn that (surprise surprise!) H'Wood is sorta remaking it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:17:20 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of Torture porn. There isn't a better name for it at this point. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like Shawn of the Dead, Twenty-Eight Days Later, and Dog Soldiers (the later is a movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically ,and is pretty good). - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them a long time ago. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents here are hoping for posted images. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, those things were in okay, so stop laughing. I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
I agree. I think that she never created a sense of play with her acting to branch out and try different types of characters or people. Just sort of the same types of people over and over again. Its like listening to the same song over and over again being sung by different people. On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: I think Berry isn't a good actress, but an average one. She only seems able to be convincing when she plays extremes: a drug addict, a down-and-out woman who ends up having sex with a bigot, a BAP. But when she's called upon to do nuance or subtlety, she just seems to be trying. You can all but see her lips moving as she recites her lines before speaking them. I think she's too aware of being on screen. Phyllis and I saw her in that supposed sexy thriller last year (the name escapes me but Giovanni Ribisi and Bruce Willis were her co-stars). We just never bought her in the role. It wasn't just that it was a silly movie, Berry just didn't hold our attention, and when she was called upon to act angry or something, we actually laughed. Only when her character displayed some...weird traits...did she stop appearing to be acting. Ted Danson once said Acting is the art of pretending to be someone else while pretending you're not pretending. I don't think Berry's too good at that pretending. She seems to be too nervous, too self-conscious. It's as if she's always on stage, always trying to convey an image, trying to gauge what people think about her, instead of just being natural. It's hard for me to describe too, but there's a lack of a sense of self, a lack of self-composure. I've felt that every time I've seen her in interviews, and it translates to her acting. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:33:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem The movie, is horrible, but I love Catwoman. It’s not something I watch over and over. I have seen long kiss goodnight, strange days, kill bill 2 and Batman II with Michele Pfieffer numerous times over the years. I still liked her tacky costume though Regarding Berry, I liked her in those comedies she did when she was young. I don’t hate her, I think she is pretty, I admire her accomplishments, but it does not translate to any of the films I see her in. She was okay in swordfish fish, but the best part of her character did not come out until the last 10 minutes of the movie. Gothika was okay, but I could take it or leave it. Catwoman was so poorly produced that I cannot blame her. Everybody looked bad in that. But to me she is almost like an affirmative action hire. If they want a black woman with box office pull (?), they go to her. I do not think she is without talent, but there is a lack of charisma. I cannot put my fingers on it, because I liked her back in the day *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Keith Johnson *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:01 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem i don't think they're exceptions, at least, in terms of what your premise has been, especially if younger women are taken into account. And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of Catwoman. When i told her of this discussion, she laughed her head off. That movie was horrible! she said. like me, she doesn't think Berry is really that good of an actress, only seeming to convey any realism when she's on drugs or down-and-out. And to your point, I think that's the probem with her in themovie: she doesn't come close to conveying any of this subversive girl power you see in the flick. - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:51:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or even angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox. Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule at the box office. (I suspect they are closet Catwoman fans); ~rave! -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
Re: [scifinoir2] This week on House
Yea, I understand. There was a moment like that during the show. I won't say who for the folks that haven't watched it yet. Mr.Jones grabbed the doctor's arm and begged to have an air bubble put into his IV. That could have ended it right there. Most people wouldn't be able to pull the trigger so to speak, because I think that they are not emotionally vested enough to take that step. (that's not counting people with psychological issues) I wonder how many people would be pro-death penalty if the victim's family had to press the button that did the killing? On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:27 PM, L Freeman msles59...@yahoo.com wrote: I could not think of a circumstance where I would say yes. I would want to, but rather than ending life, I would try to limit damage by warning people, getting as many out of the way as possible, or trying to change the dictator if possible. It's not nobility of character that makes me not want to kill the person. I am simply afraid of making things worse. We always assume that the world would have been a better place if not for... (you fill in the evil dictator). What if that is not the case? What if their level of evil prevented something even more catastrophic/devastating from taking place in the future. I simply don't believe I have the wisdom to mettle in the affairs meant to be decided only by the Divine. --- On *Wed, 10/7/09, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] This week on House To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 7:31 PM Let's make it a little easier to make the decision. What if it was Pol Pot, Hitler, Idi Amin or Bin Ladin? On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Such issues are sadly absent from TV these days, Mr Worf. And, to answer, I don't think I could. I'm racking my brain right now, to find a scenario that would allow me to say yes, and nothing comes up. If anything, I get a few that let me finish the job that the ailment started. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.comhttp://mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:58:33 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] This week on House James Earl Jones was the guest star this week as an evil African dictator with a mystery ailment. The show brought up an interesting moral dilemma. Would you save a man that has killed and brutalized thousands, and could possibly go on and kill thousands of people in the future? Moral questions seem to be missing greatly from tv as of late. They are always topic for a show. What do you think? -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222984/direct/01/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] White Dog
Has anyone seen this recently?
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
You are right. I have had enough of Bochco. It's not that he is bad, but it is the same thing over and over with a new setting and characters. I cannot even bring myself to watch his TNT legal show even though it has a great cast. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:10 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem Add to what Keith said the fact that the show's creator, Rob Lurie, was dethroned as Executive Producer (allegedly because he was overwhelmed as a rookie show runner and having trouble delivering shows on time - even though Lurie had run shows before) and replaced by Steven Bochco - who proceeded to Bochco up the show - which is exactly what ABC wanted but the last thing fans of the show wanted. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: If I remember correctly, the ratings came out really high, then they fell off. I think this was one of those shows where only a few shows were ordered up front, which didn't help. I believe it was pre-empted and moved a couple of times, which didn't help. And, i believe the new trend of micro-analyzing viewer numbers hurt it. Remember the days when new series got a whole *season* to succeed or fail? When a show got 26 or 28 eps in a season, instead of maybe 4 - 6 as a trial run? When ratings where averaged for an entire season, not broken down into this new method where a show's rating's from the first to second half of one airing are measured?! That's what killed this show. Yeah, the ratings dipped, but with some committment it could have found its legs. About 19 total eps were aired, but once the ratings dipped, the network was obviously skittish about it. We've discussed this time and time again, but think of all the great shows that we'd never have had if networks had cancelled them after bad ratings in the first few weeks. As an aside, I wonder if the show would do better now, just a few years later? I note that Davis' character only became President because she was the Veep and rose to office after the (male) President died. I seem to remember some of the politicians--men--expecting her to step down. As late as 2005, it was seen as a long shot that a woman could ascend to the White House just by being elected, or garner respect if she did. Then came Hillary, Obama, and Palin. Now, the thought of a woman or a person of color in the White House isn't a fantasy (I contend, despite the way some women lost their minds in rage at Obama defeating Clinton, that his success opens the doors for women as well as men of color, and I don't know if the reverse would have been true). Now we're in a new world, a world where not only can we seriously consider a female President, but some actually consider giving it to a dangerous, idiotic waste like Palin. That's progress, I guess, but I think now the show would do a bit better. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:42:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem You are bringing back memories and making me cry. I lived in Mexico at the time, but had visited for two weeks during the premier. I thought it was a hit when I left. What did ABC do to take it down? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:50 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I was delighted to see Kyle Secor--Bayliss from the fantastic series Homicide--in the role as Davis' husband. Another underrated, underused actor... - Original Message - From: Kelwyn ravena...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:44:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem I loved Commander in Chief. I also think it is criminal how ABC mishandled it - firing the creator and original producer - and let it die. Harry Lennix was excellent as her chief of staff. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series Commander in Chief. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: ravenadal@ Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
