[scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[B Smith]

That was Sofie Fatale. Julie Dreyfus also has a small but meaty role in 
Inglorious Basterds.

*putting away my Japanese special edition boxed set of Kill Bill Vol. 1*

I guess you can say I'm fan. The cinematic references, cameos and injokes from 
the movie are heaven for fans of Asian, Italian and 70s grindhouse cinema.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Wow, you must be a fan! Who was the lady who was Lucy Lu's sidekick? The one 
> who was half Asian and described as "Dressed like a villain from Star Trek"? 
> I wish she'd been given more to do (i must admit because i couldn't stop 
> staring at her) 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:47:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
> who's left to kill? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It could definitely work and they could bring back Elle Driver, Sofie Fatale 
> and Johnny Mo as her bitter, crippled masters. 
> 
> If they really wanted to rock our worlds they could actually have Vernita's 
> daughter succeed and have the Bride's daughter taking up the sword and going 
> after her. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > that could work... 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Justin Mohareb"  
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:43:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' 
> > but who's left to kill? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Actually, I believe he mentioned using the actor who played her 
> > daughter in the first film, since she'll have actually grown into the 
> > role in the intervening decade and a half. 
> > 
> > I believe he mentioned filming scenes on an ongoing basis. 
> > 
> > Justin 
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Keith Johnson 
> > < KeithBJohnson@ > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's 
> > > daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was "Rosario Dawson 
> > > could pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business!" 
> > > Is she too old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? 
> > > Sure...but this is Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy 
> > > excuse, and the incongruity of age could add a built in humour to 
> > > heighten the camp factor. 
> > > 
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdlists@ > 
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , ggszig@ , "Cinque3000" < cinque3000@ >, 
> > > "Sincere" < sincere1906@ > 
> > > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
> > > who's left to kill? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator Quentin 
> > > Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment 
> > > that would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended. Six years 
> > > since Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has 
> > > made waves by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan. 
> > > 
> > > Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in Mexico 
> > > on Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill 3" in or 
> > > around 2014. According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a 
> > > different picture inbetween. He's currently contemplating a 
> > > "re-imagining" of a number of genres including a Western or a '30's type 
> > > gangster movie. 
> > > 
> > > "Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her 
> > > baby and all of her targets killed. Most speculate that "Copperhead's" 
> > > daughter, who is spared in "Vol. 1" would be the most likely protagonist 
> > > now that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her 
> > > mind. The "Bill" portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate 
> > > even in flashbacks after David Carradine's death this past summer. 
> > > 
> > > More curious is who exactly would produce the feature? It's unclear 
> > > whether this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights 
> > > too when they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the 
> > > recently gutted indie specialty label. Needless to say, parent company 
> > > Disney would hardly be adverse to making a sequel to a series that has 
> > > already grossed $332 million worldwide. Plus, the mammoth success of 
> > > "Basterds" this summer ensures, at least for the time being, that 
> > > Tarantino's reign in pop culture is hardly over. 
> > > 
> > > Thurman will be seen in theaters later this month in the romantic comedy 
> > > "Motherhood." 
> > > 
> > > More on this story as it develops on HitFix. 
> > > 
> > > Can you w

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

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On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 9:35 AM, B Smith  wrote:

> That was Sofie Fatale. Julie Dreyfus also has a small but meaty role in
> Inglorious Basterds.
>
> *putting away my Japanese special edition boxed set of Kill Bill Vol. 1*
>
> I guess you can say I'm fan. The cinematic references, cameos and injokes
> from the movie are heaven for fans of Asian, Italian and 70s grindhouse
> cinema.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Wow, you must be a fan! Who was the lady who was Lucy Lu's sidekick? The
> one who was half Asian and described as "Dressed like a villain from Star
> Trek"? I wish she'd been given more to do (i must admit because i couldn't
> stop staring at her)
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "B Smith" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:47:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,'
> but who's left to kill?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It could definitely work and they could bring back Elle Driver, Sofie
> Fatale and Johnny Mo as her bitter, crippled masters.
> >
> > If they really wanted to rock our worlds they could actually have
> Vernita's daughter succeed and have the Bride's daughter taking up the sword
> and going after her.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > that could work...
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Justin Mohareb" 
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:43:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol.
> 3,' but who's left to kill?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Actually, I believe he mentioned using the actor who played her
> > > daughter in the first film, since she'll have actually grown into the
> > > role in the intervening decade and a half.
> > >
> > > I believe he mentioned filming scenes on an ongoing basis.
> > >
> > > Justin
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Keith Johnson
> > > < KeithBJohnson@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of
> Copperhead's daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was "Rosario
> Dawson could pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's
> business!" Is she too old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from
> now? Sure...but this is Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy
> excuse, and the incongruity of age could add a built in humour to heighten
> the camp factor.
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdlists@ >
> > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , ggszig@ , "Cinque3000" <
> cinque3000@ >, "Sincere" < sincere1906@ >
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,'
> but who's left to kill?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator Quentin
> Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment that
> would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended. Six years since
> Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made waves
> by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan.
> > > >
> > > > Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in
> Mexico on Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill 3" in
> or around 2014. According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a
> different picture inbetween. He's currently contemplating a "re-imagining"
> of a number of genres including a Western or a '30's type gangster movie.
> > > >
> > > > "Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with
> her baby and all of her targets killed. Most speculate that "Copperhead's"
> daughter, who is spared in "Vol. 1" would be the most likely protagonist now
> that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her mind. The
> "Bill" portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate even in
> flashbacks after David Carradine's death this past summer.
> > > >
> > > > More curious is who exactly would produce the feature? It's unclear
> whether this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights
> too when they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the
> recently gutted indie specialty label. Needless to say, parent company
> Disney would hardly be adverse to making a se

[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Kelwyn]

I am going to say something paradoxical here (I've been thinking about this all 
night), stars like Rita Hayward, Bette Davis and Joan Crawford have to be taken 
off the board.

(Yes, I know Rita Hayward was hot and Bette Davis and Joan Crawford were not. 
But Ms. Davis and Ms. Crawford were sick with sexual power).

I say this because during Hollywood's Golden Age there were many strong women 
represented on the big screen (Miss Barbara Stanwyck, anyone?), which was in 
direct opposition to the strength of women in society at large.

I suggest male dominated box office (beginning with Clint Eastwood and Burt 
Reynolds in the late seventies) is in direct opposition to women's lib and the 
advancement of women in the workplace. 

To address Rita Hayward specifically, her most famous 
role was "Gilda," where she flaunted her sexual power like nobody's business.  
"Gilda" is a terrific fusion of "sexual heat, jealosy, fear and hatred," of the 
kind we haven't seen since "Basic Instinct" (1992).

Which reminds of great strong, sexual screen presences like Kathleen Turner and 
Sharon Stone and how they are largely considered menopausal jokes now.

~(no)rave!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> rave, what about Rita Hayworth?
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: ravena...@...
> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:18:57 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Ann Margaret was eye and arm candy.  Her most iconic role 
> was as a sexy, beautiful woman who is shamelessly punked by Jack Nicholson in 
> Mike Nichol's "Carnal Knowledge."  To my point, in one of the few movies she 
> headlined,"Kitten with a Whip," in which she played a juvenile delinquent who 
> escapes from reform school by stabbing a matron and attempting to burn down 
> the building, proved to be her personal "Catwoman." 
> 
> 
> 
> Ditto for Marilyn Monroe (victim, eye and arm candy).
> 
> 
> 
> Angelina Jolie fits the bill but she did not become a box office star until 
> her rogue sexuality was softened by adoption and motherhood.
> 
> 
> 
> Ava Gardner is an excellent example but her overt sexuality was acceptable 
> because she was always coupled with strong iconic men like big, robust Howard 
> Keel in "Showboat" and Clark Gable in "Magambo" - men who could literally put 
> her in her "place."
> 
> 
> 
> But you make my point best in your last paragraph: none of the previews 
> showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her 
> that looked like she might bite off a guys important part.  I knew someone 
> who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and stuff like was 
> considered a no-no when it came to targeting mainstream males.
> 
> 
> 
> Hall and Oates wrote a song about it.  Wanna hear it?  Here it go:
> 
> 
> 
> She's deadly man, she could really rip your world apart
> 
> Mind over matter
> 
> Ooh, the beauty is there but a beast is in the heart
> 
> (Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she'll chew you up
> 
> (Oh-oh, here she comes) She's a maneater
> 
> (Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she'll chew you up
> 
> (Oh-oh, here she comes) She's a maneater
> 
> 
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie (
> 
> > before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl,
> 
> > Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 
> 
> > 
> 
> > All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy
> 
> > 
> 
> > Are you saying women reject sexy women.  I think we seek to be them.  I do
> 
> > not think the jealousy factor is at work here.  I used to love movies with
> 
> > Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one.  I was taking notes, I was
> 
> > buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day,
> 
> > those things were in okay, so stop laughing. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was
> 
> > poorly marketed.  Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing
> 
> > but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which
> 
> > the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy.  Some decided to sell in the
> 
> > previews a pure slasher horror.  If I had not read the reviews, I would have
> 
> > thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body.
> 
> > Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing,
> 
> > but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might
> 
> > bite off a guys important part.  I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse
> 
> > lett

[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Kelwyn]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or even 
angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox.>>

Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule at 
the box office.  

(I suspect they are closet "Catwoman" fans);>

~rave!

[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Kelwyn]

I am fascinated by how you have (twice) interjected the notion that both the 
source article and I have suggested that Miss Fox was the first "actress in 
history who's superficially beautiful, possesses innate sexuality, and is 
confident and independent."  This is clearly not the case and cannot be divined 
from any of my posts.  And let me reiterate again that outside of "One Million 
Years BC," Raquel Welch was box office poison.  

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Man I had to read this thrice to get it! 
> I don't see how a woman can have "sexual power" without being "sexy". But 
> let's skip that for a moment. I agree beauty and sexual appeal don't always 
> go hand in hand. Like I said, Halle Berry is on the surface prettier than 
> Rosario Dawson (my opinion), but Dawson can be way more appealing and 
> sexually attractive. 
> 
> But I think we just disagree. Fox is pretty as hell, but Racquel Welch in her 
> prime puts the girl to shame. The article and you act as if Fox is the first 
> actress in history who's superficially beautiful, possesses innate sexuality, 
> and is confident and independent, and that turns off women. I think that's 
> giving Fox way too much credit, dismissing many actresses who have the whole 
> package in spades--and i can think of many besides whom Fox pales--and 
> lending some kind of weight to the failure of a film that by all accounts 
> simply isn't that good. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelwyn"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:02:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> I'm not getting how Fox has a sexuality that's beyond what Pam Grier or 
> Racquel Welch or Michele Pfeiffer or Liz Taylor had, so that said sexuality 
> is turning women off from her.> 
> > 
> Beauty and sexual power are not synonymous. Whoppi Goldberg has sexual power 
> (ask Ted Danson and Frank Langella) but she is not sexy or beautiful. Eartha 
> Kitt exuded sexual power but while sexy, she was not beautiful. The most 
> famous femme fatale of all time, Mata Hari, was known more for her sensuality 
> and eroticism rather than for striking classical beauty. Conversely, it is 
> possible to be both sexy and beautiful and to not have any sexual power. 
> 
> It sensuality and eroticism that boys and girls of all ages have difficulty 
> with - not beauty or sexiness. 
> 
> ~rave!
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Kelwyn]

Thank you for the Gena Davis.  Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then 
husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in 
back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and "The Long Kiss Goodnight").  "The 
Long Kiss Goodnight" is a great movie but both it and "Cutthroat" were box 
office bombs.

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> You misread my statement.  While I do not discount those stats, that was not 
> what I was talking about.  Women see famous beautiful women as people they 
> strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in 
> “the long kiss goodnight”  She was an assassin who had amnesia and became 
> a wife, mother and school teacher.  She hit her head and became a 
> mother/assassin protecting her own.
> 
>  
> 
> I thought she was s col!  But I’m not specifically 
> attracted to Gena Davis.
> 
>  
> 
> Another example of a kick ass broad character  I just Love  is the Bride in 
> Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual 
> appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and 
> make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore 
> when she took down the all those guys with swords.  
> 
>  
> 
> I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother 
> characters.  
> 
>  
> 
> Anyway,  I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just 
> not referring specifically to it.   That being said, I’m sure there are 
> tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have 
> been drawn to her in  those promos that made her ugly.  They needed to let 
> the audience in on the satire
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
> women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on 
> it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 
> 
> I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in 
> them a long time ago. 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
> attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty.
> 
> As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
> here are hoping for posted images.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   _  
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: tdli...@...
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
>   
> 
> What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie (
> before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl,
> Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 
> 
> All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy
> 
> Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do
> not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with
> Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was
> buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day,
> those things were in okay, so stop laughing. 
> 
> I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was
> poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing
> but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which
> the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the
> previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have
> thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body.
> Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing,
> but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might
> bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse
> letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came
> to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and
> the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it. If I
> were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a
> transformers DVD instead, based on those previews
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Kelwyn
> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:32 P

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Tracey de Morsella]

I took it as a compliment.  I'm not in the closet.  If I were younger, I
would probably be trying to wear knockoff of her outfits to the clubs

Thanks - you made my morning

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelwyn
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:51 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or
even angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox.>>

Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule
at the box office.  

(I suspect they are closet "Catwoman" fans);>

~rave!





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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Tracey de Morsella]

I agree. I Lve Stanwyck Crawford, Davis and add Ida Lupino to the list.
(although I mostly like her because of her being the first female director
in Hollywood with muscle. )   Those women are not raving beauties, but
growing up I thought they were t cool!  They were the original kick-ass
broads. 

I do not get what has happened to Stone and Turner.  I think it is obsession
with targeting youth.  During the Golden Age films targeted adults and kids
went along for the ride.  Now they target youth and adults either must go
along for the ride or seek out independent films

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelwyn
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:42 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

I am going to say something paradoxical here (I've been thinking about this
all night), stars like Rita Hayward, Bette Davis and Joan Crawford have to
be taken off the board.

(Yes, I know Rita Hayward was hot and Bette Davis and Joan Crawford were
not. But Ms. Davis and Ms. Crawford were sick with sexual power).

I say this because during Hollywood's Golden Age there were many strong
women represented on the big screen (Miss Barbara Stanwyck, anyone?), which
was in direct opposition to the strength of women in society at large.

I suggest male dominated box office (beginning with Clint Eastwood and Burt
Reynolds in the late seventies) is in direct opposition to women's lib and
the advancement of women in the workplace. 

To address Rita Hayward specifically, her most famous 
role was "Gilda," where she flaunted her sexual power like nobody's
business.  "Gilda" is a terrific fusion of "sexual heat, jealosy, fear and
hatred," of the kind we haven't seen since "Basic Instinct" (1992).

Which reminds of great strong, sexual screen presences like Kathleen Turner
and Sharon Stone and how they are largely considered menopausal jokes now.

~(no)rave!


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> rave, what about Rita Hayworth?
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: ravena...@...
> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:18:57 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Ann Margaret was eye and arm candy.  Her most iconic
role was as a sexy, beautiful woman who is shamelessly punked by Jack
Nicholson in Mike Nichol's "Carnal Knowledge."  To my point, in one of the
few movies she headlined,"Kitten with a Whip," in which she played a
juvenile delinquent who escapes from reform school by stabbing a matron and
attempting to burn down the building, proved to be her personal "Catwoman." 
> 
> 
> 
> Ditto for Marilyn Monroe (victim, eye and arm candy).
> 
> 
> 
> Angelina Jolie fits the bill but she did not become a box office star
until her rogue sexuality was softened by adoption and motherhood.
> 
> 
> 
> Ava Gardner is an excellent example but her overt sexuality was acceptable
because she was always coupled with strong iconic men like big, robust
Howard Keel in "Showboat" and Clark Gable in "Magambo" - men who could
literally put her in her "place."
> 
> 
> 
> But you make my point best in your last paragraph: none of the previews
showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her
that looked like she might bite off a guys important part.  I knew someone
who edited a forum/penthouse letters publication once, and stuff like was
considered a no-no when it came to targeting mainstream males.
> 
> 
> 
> Hall and Oates wrote a song about it.  Wanna hear it?  Here it go:
> 
> 
> 
> She's deadly man, she could really rip your world apart
> 
> Mind over matter
> 
> Ooh, the beauty is there but a beast is in the heart
> 
> (Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she'll chew you up
> 
> (Oh-oh, here she comes) She's a maneater
> 
> (Oh-oh, here she comes) Watch out boy she'll chew you up
> 
> (Oh-oh, here she comes) She's a maneater
> 
> 
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie (
> 
> > before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine
Heigl,
> 
> > Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 
> 
> > 
> 
> > All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy
> 
> > 
> 
> > Are you saying women reject sexy women.  I think we seek to be them.  I
do
> 
> > not think the jealousy factor is at work here.  I used to love movies
with
> 
> > Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one.  I was taking notes, I
was
> 
> > buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day,
> 
> > those th

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Tracey de Morsella]

I know.  It upset me to no end.  Like I said.  I do not disagree in general, 
just regarding Fox and the film.  She may end up having these problems, but her 
beauty was not part of the promos.  The promos were misleading and offputting

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kelwyn
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:06 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

Thank you for the Gena Davis.  Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then 
husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in 
back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and "The Long Kiss Goodnight").  "The 
Long Kiss Goodnight" is a great movie but both it and "Cutthroat" were box 
office bombs.

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> You misread my statement.  While I do not discount those stats, that was not 
> what I was talking about.  Women see famous beautiful women as people they 
> strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in 
> “the long kiss goodnight”  She was an assassin who had amnesia and became 
> a wife, mother and school teacher.  She hit her head and became a 
> mother/assassin protecting her own.
> 
>  
> 
> I thought she was s col!  But I’m not specifically 
> attracted to Gena Davis.
> 
>  
> 
> Another example of a kick ass broad character  I just Love  is the Bride in 
> Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual 
> appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and 
> make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore 
> when she took down the all those guys with swords.  
> 
>  
> 
> I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother 
> characters.  
> 
>  
> 
> Anyway,  I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just 
> not referring specifically to it.   That being said, I’m sure there are 
> tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have 
> been drawn to her in  those promos that made her ugly.  They needed to let 
> the audience in on the satire
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
> women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on 
> it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 
> 
> I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in 
> them a long time ago. 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
> attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty.
> 
> As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
> here are hoping for posted images.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   _  
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: tdli...@...
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
>   
> 
> What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie (
> before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl,
> Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 
> 
> All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy
> 
> Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do
> not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with
> Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was
> buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day,
> those things were in okay, so stop laughing. 
> 
> I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was
> poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing
> but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which
> the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the
> previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have
> thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body.
> Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing,
> but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might
> bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse
> letters publication 

[scifinoir2] Sexiest Woman Alive: Kate Beckinsale(?)

[Kelwyn]

The November issue of Esquire Magazine has announced Kate Beckinsale as the 
Sexiest Woman Alive.

I don't know in what universe Kate Beckinsale is the Sexiest Woman Alive but I 
don't wanna live in it.  

Oh, wait, I guess I already do.

~(no)rave!

[scifinoir2] Re: Cussing at Work

[B Smith]

I could have used about 10 of these phrases yesterday. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus  wrote:
>
> Cussing at Work 
> 
> 
> Dear Employees: 
> 
> It has been brought to management's attention that some individuals 
> throughout the company have been using foul language during the course of 
> normal conversation with their co-workers. 
> 
> Due to complaints received from some employees who may be easily offended, 
> this type of language will no longer be tolerated. 
> 
> We do, however, realize the critical importance of being able to accurately 
> express your feelings when communicating with co-workers. 
> 
> Therefore,a list of 18 New and Innovative 'TRY SAYING' phrases have been 
> provided so that proper exchange of ideas and information can continue in an 
> effective manner. 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 1 
> TRY SAYING: I think you could use more training. 
> INSTEAD OF: You don't know what the f___ you're doing. 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 2 
> TRY SAYING: She's an aggressive go-getter. 
> INSTEAD OF: She's a f___ing bit__. 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 3 
> TRY SAYING: Perhaps I can work late. 
> INSTEAD OF: And when the f___ do you expect me to do this? 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 4 
> TRY SAYING: I'm certain that isn't feasible. 
> INSTEAD OF : No f___ing way. 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 5 
> TRY SAYING: Really? 
> INSTEAD OF: You've got to be sh___ing me! 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 6 
> TRY SAYING: Perhaps you should check with... 
> INSTEAD OF: Tell someone who gives a sh__. 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 7 
> TRY SAYING: I wasn't involved in the project. 
> INSTEAD OF: It's not my f___ing problem. 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 8 
> TRY SAYING: That's interesting. 
> INSTEAD OF: What the f___? 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 9 
> TRY SAYING: I'm not sure this can be implemented. 
> INSTEAD OF: This sh__ won't work. 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 10 
> TRY SAYING: I'll try to schedule that. 
> INSTEAD OF: Why the f___ didn't you tell me sooner? 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 11 
> TRY SAYING: He's not familiar with the issues... 
> INSTEAD OF: He's got his head up his a__. 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 12 
> TRY SAYING: Excuse me, sir? 
> INSTEAD OF : Eat sh__ and die. 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 13 
> TRY SAYING: So you weren't happy with it? 
> INSTEAD OF: Kiss my a__. 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 14 
> TRY SAYING: I'm a bit overloaded at the moment. 
> INSTEAD OF: F__ it, I'm on salary. 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 15 
> TRY SAYING: I don't think you understand. 
> INSTEAD OF: Shove it up your a__. 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 16 
> TRY SAYING: I love a challenge. 
> INSTEA D OF: This f___ing job sucks. 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 17 
> TRY SAYING: You want me to take care of that? 
> INSTEAD OF: Who the f___ died and made you boss? 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> Number 18 
> TRY SAYING: He's somewhat insensitive. 
> INSTEAD OF: He's a pr_ck.
>

[scifinoir2] John Lithgow on Dexter

[Kelwyn]

Anybody watching this season of "Dexter" on SHOWTIME? Is John Lithgow the 
creepiest serial killer - yes, I know its an oxymoron - you've ever seen?  They 
are calling him the Triad Killer but they shoulda called him "Mr. Clean."

~rave!

http://twitter.com/ravenadal
http://blackplush.blogspot.com

RE: [scifinoir2] John Lithgow on Dexter

[Tracey de Morsella]

I'm so jealous.  I have been getting Dexter on DVD.  But I might have to get
showtime.  I can't wait until August to see this.  I thought Jim Smits was
surprisingly intense too.  What did you think?

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelwyn
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:30 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] John Lithgow on Dexter

Anybody watching this season of "Dexter" on SHOWTIME? Is John Lithgow the
creepiest serial killer - yes, I know its an oxymoron - you've ever seen?
They are calling him the Triad Killer but they shoulda called him "Mr.
Clean."

~rave!

http://twitter.com/ravenadal
http://blackplush.blogspot.com





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RE: [scifinoir2] John Lithgow on Dexter

[Martin Baxter]

Just may have to invest myself as well, based on this.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:30:25 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] John Lithgow on Dexter















 





  Anybody watching this season of "Dexter" on SHOWTIME? Is John 
Lithgow the creepiest serial killer - yes, I know its an oxymoron - you've ever 
seen?  They are calling him the Triad Killer but they shoulda called him "Mr. 
Clean."



~rave!



http://twitter.com/ravenadal

http://blackplush.blogspot.com





 

  













  
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RE: [scifinoir2] Sexiest Woman Alive: Kate Beckinsale(?)

[Martin Baxter]

Sexy? Aw hay-ull yes!

Sexiest *alive*?

No. She's waay back in the line.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:32:31 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Sexiest Woman Alive: Kate Beckinsale(?)















 





  The November issue of Esquire Magazine has announced Kate 
Beckinsale as the Sexiest Woman Alive.



I don't know in what universe Kate Beckinsale is the Sexiest Woman Alive but I 
don't wanna live in it.  



Oh, wait, I guess I already do.



~(no)rave!





 

  













  
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Martin Baxter]

Tracey, I think that Stone burned out too soon, and just hasn't noticed it yet. 
Turner -- I don't think that she really ever wanted to be a sex symbol. Her 
turn in "Body heat" unfortunately (for her) jammed her face into the minds of 
men worldwide as a sex symbol.

And I'm seconding your words regarding mesdemoiselles Stanwyck, Davis, Lupino 
and Crawford to the wall. I happened to take in "Mildred Pierce" with several 
male friends a few weeks back on TCM, and they were almost terrified of her. 
"Maneater" was the most frequently used sobriquet regarding her. And one 
remarked that she must've been "an Amazon, about six feet tall", because of the 
presence she seemed to project. It took a long look at the iMDB site to 
convince him that she wasn't that tall. (They list her there as 5'5", though 
most in H'Wood, including Robert Osborne, put her at barely 5'.)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 09:15:55 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem















 





  I agree. I Lve Stanwyck Crawford, Davis and add Ida 
Lupino to the list.

(although I mostly like her because of her being the first female director

in Hollywood with muscle. )   Those women are not raving beauties, but

growing up I thought they were t cool!  They were the original kick-ass

broads. 



I do not get what has happened to Stone and Turner.  I think it is obsession

with targeting youth.  During the Golden Age films targeted adults and kids

went along for the ride.  Now they target youth and adults either must go

along for the ride or seek out independent films



-Original Message-

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of Kelwyn

Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:42 AM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem



I am going to say something paradoxical here (I've been thinking about this

all night), stars like Rita Hayward, Bette Davis and Joan Crawford have to

be taken off the board.



(Yes, I know Rita Hayward was hot and Bette Davis and Joan Crawford were

not. But Ms. Davis and Ms. Crawford were sick with sexual power).



I say this because during Hollywood's Golden Age there were many strong

women represented on the big screen (Miss Barbara Stanwyck, anyone?), which

was in direct opposition to the strength of women in society at large.



I suggest male dominated box office (beginning with Clint Eastwood and Burt

Reynolds in the late seventies) is in direct opposition to women's lib and

the advancement of women in the workplace. 



To address Rita Hayward specifically, her most famous 

role was "Gilda," where she flaunted her sexual power like nobody's

business.  "Gilda" is a terrific fusion of "sexual heat, jealosy, fear and

hatred," of the kind we haven't seen since "Basic Instinct" (1992).



Which reminds of great strong, sexual screen presences like Kathleen Turner

and Sharon Stone and how they are largely considered menopausal jokes now.



~(no)rave!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

> 

> rave, what about Rita Hayworth?

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in

bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 

> 

> 

> 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: ravena...@...

> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:18:57 +

> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>  

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>   Ann Margaret was eye and arm candy.  Her most iconic

role was as a sexy, beautiful woman who is shamelessly punked by Jack

Nicholson in Mike Nichol's "Carnal Knowledge."  To my point, in one of the

few movies she headlined,"Kitten with a Whip," in which she played a

juvenile delinquent who escapes from reform school by stabbing a matron and

attempting to burn down the building, proved to be her personal "Catwoman." 

> 

> 

> 

> Ditto for Marilyn Monroe (victim, eye and arm candy).

> 

> 

> 

> Angelina Jolie fits the bill but she did not become a box office star

until her rogue sexuality was softened by adoption and motherhood.

> 

> 

> 

> Ava Gardner is an excellent example but her overt sexuality was acceptable

because she was always coupled with strong iconic men like big, robust

Howard Keel in "Showboat" and Clark Gable in "Magambo" - men who could

literally put her in her "place."

> 

> 

> 

> But you make my point best in your last paragraph: none of the previews

showed her looking appealing, but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her

that looked like she might bite off a

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Martin Baxter]

rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series 
"Commander in Chief".

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem















 





  Thank you for the Gena Davis.  Ms. Davis is strong and 
beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a 
kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and "The Long Kiss 
Goodnight").  "The Long Kiss Goodnight" is a great movie but both it and 
"Cutthroat" were box office bombs.



~(no)rave!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:

>

> You misread my statement.  While I do not discount those stats, that was not 
> what I was talking about.  Women see famous beautiful women as people they 
> strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. 
>  

> 

>  

> 

> For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in 
> “the long kiss goodnight�  She was an assassin who had amnesia and became 
> a wife, mother and school teacher.  She hit her head and became a 
> mother/assassin protecting her own.

> 

>  

> 

> I thought she was s col!  But I’m not specifically 
> attracted to Gena Davis.

> 

>  

> 

> Another example of a kick ass broad character  I just Love  is the Bride in 
> Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual 
> appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and 
> make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore 
> when she took down the all those guys with swords.  

> 

>  

> 

> I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother 
> characters.  

> 

>  

> 

> Anyway,  I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just 
> not referring specifically to it.   That being said, I’m sure there are 
> tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have 
> been drawn to her in  those promos that made her ugly.  They needed to let 
> the audience in on the satire

> 

>  

> 

> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf

> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

> 

>  

> 

> 

> 

> This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
> women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on 
> it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 

> 

> I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in 
> them a long time ago. 

> 

> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter  wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
> attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty.

> 

> As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
> here are hoping for posted images.

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>   _  

> 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: tdli...@...

> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

> 

>   

> 

> What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie (

> before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl,

> Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 

> 

> All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy

> 

> Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do

> not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with

> Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was

> buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day,

> those things were in okay, so stop laughing. 

> 

> I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was

> poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing

> but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which

> the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the

> previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have

> thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body.

> Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing,

> but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might

> bite off a guys important par

RE: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem(girl can't act)

[Martin Baxter]

Methinks George may be onto something...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 22:29:30 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem(girl can't act)















 





  Noir,
 
You guys are thinking too much into this issue.She released a bomb /dud movie. 
Once the fanboys texted their friends from the matinee that there was no nudity 
 of Ms. Fox their buddies stayed away in droves. 
 
Also MLB playoff,college football is heating up,MMA,NFL .Too many distractions 
for her fanbase which are young males.
 
 
 
Maybe next time.



  

 

  













  
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Martin Baxter]

Mr Worf, IMO, pick up "Dog Soldiers". It's not brilliant, incisive movie-making 
by any stretch. Just fun. Didn't scare me a lick, but I did get a kick out of 
it that horror movies haven't given me for -- well, forever, since "Psycho". 
No, I take that back. "The Incubus" did make me jump, when I first saw it 
(because the evil only attacked women -- even young, it still rankled).

And something made me IMDb the movie, to learn that (surprise surprise!) H'Wood 
is sorta remaking it. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:17:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem















 





  I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn 
of the dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog 
Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. 

I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of "Torture porn." There 
isn't a better name for it at this point. 



On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:





















Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like "Shawn of 
the Dead", "Twenty-Eight Days Later", and "Dog Soldiers" (the later is a movie 
about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically 
,and is pretty good).


- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem







 





  This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. 
:) About 45% of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 
25% act on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 


I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them 
a long time ago. 



On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:



























Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty.

As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
here are hoping for posted images.



"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com


Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem















 





  What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, 
Angelina Jolie (

before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl,

Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 



All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy



Are you saying women reject sexy women.  I think we seek to be them.  I do

not think the jealousy factor is at work here.  I used to love movies with

Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one.  I was taking notes, I was

buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day,

those things were in okay, so stop laughing. 



I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was

poorly marketed.  Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing

but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which

the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy.  Some decided to sell in the

previews a pure slasher horror.  If I had not read the reviews, I would have

thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body.

Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing,

but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might

bite off a guys important part.  I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse

letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came

to targeting mainstream males.  She did not look sexy in the previews, and

the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it.  If I

were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a

transformers DVD instead, based on those previews



-Original Message-

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf Of Kelwyn

Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:32 PM

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem



I defy you to name a Racquel Welch helmed hit (excluding her first, "One

Million Years B.C.").  Pam Grier was used and abused (raped and beaten up)in

all her movies before she was allowed to kick triumphant butt.  Liz Taylor

RE: [scifinoir2] This week on House

[Martin Baxter]

Such issues are sadly absent from TV these days, Mr Worf. And, to answer, I 
don't think I could. I'm racking my brain right now, to find a scenario that 
would allow me to say yes, and nothing comes up. If anything, I get a few that 
let me finish the job that the ailment started.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:58:33 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] This week on House















 





  James Earl Jones was the guest star this week as an evil 
African dictator with a mystery ailment. The show brought up an interesting 
moral dilemma. Would you save a man that has killed and brutalized thousands, 
and could possibly go on and kill thousands of people in the future? Moral 
questions seem to be missing greatly from tv as of late. They are always topic 
for a show. What do you think?

-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/



 

  













  
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Tracey de Morsella]

I loved her in that.   I guess I was the only one

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:34 PM
To: SciFiNoir2
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

 



rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series 
"Commander in Chief".

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





  _  

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then 
husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in 
back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and "The Long Kiss Goodnight"). "The 
Long Kiss Goodnight" is a great movie but both it and "Cutthroat" were box 
office bombs.

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not 
> what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they 
> strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. 
> 
> 
> 
> For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in 
> “the long kiss goodnight� She was an assassin who had amnesia and became 
> a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a 
> mother/assassin protecting her own.
> 
> 
> 
> I thought she was s col! But I’m not specifically 
> attracted to Gena Davis.
> 
> 
> 
> Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in 
> Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual 
> appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and 
> make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore 
> when she took down the all those guys with swords. 
> 
> 
> 
> I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother 
> characters. 
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just 
> not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are tons 
> of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been 
> drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the 
> audience in on the satire
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
> women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on 
> it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 
> 
> I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in 
> them a long time ago. 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
> attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty.
> 
> As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
> here are hoping for posted images.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _ 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: tdli...@...
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
> 
> 
> What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie (
> before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl,
> Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 
> 
> All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy
> 
> Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do
> not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with
> Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was
> buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day,
> those things were in okay, so stop laughing. 
> 
> I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was
> poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing
> but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which
> the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the
> previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have
> thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body.
> Regarding young guys.. none of the previews sh

RE: [scifinoir2] Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop

[Martin Baxter]

I know how you feel, Keith.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:33:36 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop















 





  
i couldn't even finish this article.  I'm so sick of Comcast and all their 
policies and behavior, this just sickens me.
That's okay: something else will pop up in time.

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 12:54:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop







 





  


Oh, yeah.

The day this deal is finalized is the day that Hulu vanishes from the Internet 
-- no, I take that back. It stays, but as a PPV forum. And with Comcrap's 
supreme management skills, it becomes slower that Snail Love.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 14:44:28 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop















 





  http://ohthuco.notlong.com



A Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop



By Dawn C. Chmielewski and Meg James



Tribune Newspapers



1:59 PM CDT, October 5, 2009



hulu HOLLYWOOD -- Since Hulu launched early in 2008, its popularity has 
quadrupled as millions of people turn to the free online video site to watch 
episodes of such television shows as "Family Guy," "The Office" and "Modern 
Family."



Some wonder how long the free flow of online video would last if Comcast Corp. 
ends up a part owner of Hulu.



The nation's leading cable company has made no secret of its disdain for Hulu's 
approach of giving away the shows that Comcast and other pay-TV distributors 
spend billions for -- and rely on to retain subscribers. Comcast is in talks 
with NBC Universal about pooling their entertainment assets into a new company 
that would own 30 percent of Hulu in addition to such networks as NBC, Bravo, 
E! and Syfy. Comcast would control the new entity and possibly have the clout 
to push Hulu to begin charging for access to some of its most popular shows, 
including "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia," "The Daily Show with Jon 
Stewart" and "Psych."



"Would Comcast put an end to the Hulu model of using the Web to distribute free 
TV content?" said Michael Nathanson, senior media analyst at Sanford C. 
Bernstein & Co. "Will Comcast continue to support Hulu?"



Hulu, a partnership among NBC, Fox and Walt Disney Co., has been a nagging 
concern among Wall Street investors, who see the site not as a hedge against 
Internet piracy or viral video phenomenon YouTube but as a threat to the 
economic underpinnings of the television business. The $22 billion a year in 
cable and satellite TV subscriptions paid to programmers underwrites the cost 
of producing all forms of television programming.



Hulu already has limited users' access to certain cable programs, including 
FX's "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia," in response to an outcry from the 
television producers and cable companies that object to paying TV programmers 
hundreds of millions of dollars each year for shows that are offered free 
online.



Comcast Chief Executive Brian L. Roberts is among the cable executives who have 
made their concerns known to TV programmers, both privately and publicly. He 
and other cable executives fear that Hulu could become the free alternative to 
cable TV subscriptions.



"If I am any one of these programmers, not just ESPN but the Food Network ... 
and I have a business in that 50 percent, 60 percent, 70 percent of my business 
comes from subscriptions, I want to think long and hard before I just put that 
content out there for free and not think through what it is going to mean to my 
business," Roberts said at an investor conference in May.



Owning content would give Comcast some control over the matter.



"Arguably, their ability to shape online content distribution, and to recast 
windows for video on demand, would be an important attribute of any deal," 
wrote Craig Moffett, a cable industry analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein.



Comcast's interest in NBC Universal would dramatically expand its entertainment 
portfolio with such attractive cable channels as USA Network, MSNBC and CNBC as 
well as the Universal Pictures movie studio. The proposed Comcast-NBC Universal 
venture also would give the cable operator a greater role in deciding how and 
when TV shows and movies are distributed online and at what price to consumers.



The deal hinges on whether a French comp

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[Martin Baxter]

Oh, yeah, Keith! I admit to pausing the DVD the first time I saw the movie, for 
her.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 01:35:47 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' 
but  who's left to kill?















 





  
Wow, you must be a fan! Who was the lady who was Lucy Lu's sidekick? The one 
who was half Asian and described as "Dressed like a villain from Star Trek"?  I 
wish she'd been given more to do (i must admit because i couldn't stop staring 
at her)

- Original Message -
From: "B Smith" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:47:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but  
who's left to kill?







 





  It could definitely work and they could bring back Elle 
Driver, Sofie Fatale and Johnny Mo as her bitter, crippled masters.



If they really wanted to rock our worlds they could actually have Vernita's 
daughter succeed and have the Bride's daughter taking up the sword and going 
after her.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:

>

> that could work... 

> 

> - Original Message - 

> From: "Justin Mohareb"  

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:43:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
> who's left to kill? 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> Actually, I believe he mentioned using the actor who played her 

> daughter in the first film, since she'll have actually grown into the 

> role in the intervening decade and a half. 

> 

> I believe he mentioned filming scenes on an ongoing basis. 

> 

> Justin 

> 

> On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Keith Johnson 

> < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's 
> > daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was "Rosario Dawson could 
> > pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business!" Is she 
> > too old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? Sure...but 
> > this is Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy excuse, and 
> > the incongruity of age could add a built in humour to heighten the camp 
> > factor. 

> > 

> > - Original Message - 

> > From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdli...@... > 

> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , ggs...@... , "Cinque3000" < cinque3...@... 
> > >, "Sincere" < sincere1...@... > 

> > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 

> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
> > who's left to kill? 

> > 

> > 

> > 

> > During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator Quentin 
> > Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment 
> > that would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended. Six years 
> > since Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has made 
> > waves by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan. 

> > 

> > Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in Mexico on 
> > Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill 3" in or around 
> > 2014. According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a different 
> > picture inbetween. He's currently contemplating a "re-imagining" of a 
> > number of genres including a Western or a '30's type gangster movie. 

> > 

> > "Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her 
> > baby and all of her targets killed. Most speculate that "Copperhead's" 
> > daughter, who is spared in "Vol. 1" would be the most likely protagonist 
> > now that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her 
> > mind. The "Bill" portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate even 
> > in flashbacks after David Carradine's death this past summer. 

> > 

> > More curious is who exactly would produce the feature? It's unclear whether 
> > this is a project the Weinstein's were allowed to keep the rights too when 
> > they left Miramax in 2005 or whether it would kick back to the recently 
> > gutted indie specialty label. Needless to say, parent company Disney would 
> > hardly be adverse to making a sequel to a series that has already grossed 
> > $332 million worldwide. Plus, the mammoth success of "Basterds" this summer 
> > ensures, at least for the time being, that Tarantino's reign in pop culture 
> > is hardly over. 

> > 

> > Thurman will be seen in theaters later this month in the romantic comedy 
> > "Motherhood." 

> > 

> > More on this story as it develops on HitFix. 

> > 

> > Can you wait

RE: [scifinoir2] Cussing at Work

[Martin Baxter]

LMNAO!

Though that wouldn't work for me. After my last job, my response would be, 
roughly, "Take this job and shove it so far up your g*ds-d*mned a$$ that, 
whenever you cough for the next six f*cking weeks, you're tasting my f*cking 
resume, b*tch."

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
CC: blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:38:58 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] Cussing at Work















 





  Cussing at Work 


Dear Employees: 

It has been brought to management's attention that some individuals throughout 
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We do, however, realize the critical importance of being able to accurately 
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 feelings when communicating with co-workers. 

Therefore,a list of 18 New and Innovative 'TRY SAYING' phrases have been 
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INSTEAD OF: You've got to be sh___ing me! 


  


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TRY SAYING: Perhaps you should check with... 
INSTEAD OF: Tell someone who gives a sh__. 


  


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INSTEAD OF: It's not my f___ing problem. 


  


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INSTEAD OF: This sh__ won't work. 


  


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INSTEAD OF : Eat sh__ and die. 


  


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INSTEAD OF: Kiss my a__. 


  


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INSTEAD OF: F__ it, I'm on salary. 


  


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TRY SAYING: I love a challenge. 
INSTEA D OF: This f___ing job sucks. 


  


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INSTEAD OF: Who the f___ died and made you boss? 


  


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RE: [scifinoir2] Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop

[Martin Baxter]

"They are well on their way to becoming the mega-corp that we must destroy."

If that eventuality falls, consider me available for war. I don't do suicide 
bombing, but I -- best not to post specifics here. HomeInsec has many eyes...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:49:41 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop















 





  I think that this will position them into where they will be 
able to offer the tv top downloading system. There was talk about it about a 
year and a half ago at one of the tech conferences but no word on when it was 
going to be available. This maneuver would allow them to control the revenue 
stream of everything that NBC and Hulu has to offer. They are well on their way 
to becoming the mega-corp that we must destroy. 



On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

http://ohthuco.notlong.com



A Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop



By Dawn C. Chmielewski and Meg James



Tribune Newspapers



1:59 PM CDT, October 5, 2009



hulu HOLLYWOOD -- Since Hulu launched early in 2008, its popularity has 
quadrupled as millions of people turn to the free online video site to watch 
episodes of such television shows as "Family Guy," "The Office" and "Modern 
Family."




Some wonder how long the free flow of online video would last if Comcast Corp. 
ends up a part owner of Hulu.



The nation's leading cable company has made no secret of its disdain for Hulu's 
approach of giving away the shows that Comcast and other pay-TV distributors 
spend billions for -- and rely on to retain subscribers. Comcast is in talks 
with NBC Universal about pooling their entertainment assets into a new company 
that would own 30 percent of Hulu in addition to such networks as NBC, Bravo, 
E! and Syfy. Comcast would control the new entity and possibly have the clout 
to push Hulu to begin charging for access to some of its most popular shows, 
including "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia," "The Daily Show with Jon 
Stewart" and "Psych."




"Would Comcast put an end to the Hulu model of using the Web to distribute free 
TV content?" said Michael Nathanson, senior media analyst at Sanford C. 
Bernstein & Co. "Will Comcast continue to support Hulu?"




Hulu, a partnership among NBC, Fox and Walt Disney Co., has been a nagging 
concern among Wall Street investors, who see the site not as a hedge against 
Internet piracy or viral video phenomenon YouTube but as a threat to the 
economic underpinnings of the television business. The $22 billion a year in 
cable and satellite TV subscriptions paid to programmers underwrites the cost 
of producing all forms of television programming.




Hulu already has limited users' access to certain cable programs, including 
FX's "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia," in response to an outcry from the 
television producers and cable companies that object to paying TV programmers 
hundreds of millions of dollars each year for shows that are offered free 
online.




Comcast Chief Executive Brian L. Roberts is among the cable executives who have 
made their concerns known to TV programmers, both privately and publicly. He 
and other cable executives fear that Hulu could become the free alternative to 
cable TV subscriptions.




"If I am any one of these programmers, not just ESPN but the Food Network ... 
and I have a business in that 50 percent, 60 percent, 70 percent of my business 
comes from subscriptions, I want to think long and hard before I just put that 
content out there for free and not think through what it is going to mean to my 
business," Roberts said at an investor conference in May.




Owning content would give Comcast some control over the matter.



"Arguably, their ability to shape online content distribution, and to recast 
windows for video on demand, would be an important attribute of any deal," 
wrote Craig Moffett, a cable industry analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein.




Comcast's interest in NBC Universal would dramatically expand its entertainment 
portfolio with such attractive cable channels as USA Network, MSNBC and CNBC as 
well as the Universal Pictures movie studio. The proposed Comcast-NBC Universal 
venture also would give the cable operator a greater role in deciding how and 
when TV shows and movies are distributed online and at what price to consumers.




The deal hinges on whether a French company, Vivendi, decides to unload its 20 
percent stake in NBC Universal. Vivendi must decide in the next two months, and 
then federal regulators -- already concerned about media consolidation -- would 
have to sign off on the union of Comcast and NBC Universal.




Should the deal be completed, Comcast would be the majority owner with 51 
percen

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[Martin Baxter]

Thank you for that, B. I really didn't catch that in any of my viewings of the 
movie, because I was too busy LMNAO @ the circumstances.

Martin (please remember -- sick and needing help)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: daikaij...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 20:44:47 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but  
who's left to kill?















 





  She was blinded but alive when we last saw her. They even 
leave it open by putting the ? in regards to her final fate. I heard it hinted 
at by QT himself that she survives her ordeal.



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:

>

> 

> Didn't Elle over-cuddle with a snake or fourteen?

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 

> 

> 

> 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: daikaij...@...

> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:47:55 +

> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
>  who's left to kill?

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>  

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>   It could definitely work and they could bring back Elle 
> Driver, Sofie Fatale and Johnny Mo as her bitter, crippled masters.

> 

> 

> 

> If they really wanted to rock our worlds they could actually have Vernita's 
> daughter succeed and have the Bride's daughter taking up the sword and going 
> after her.

> 

> 

> 

> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:

> 

> >

> 

> > that could work... 

> 

> > 

> 

> > - Original Message - 

> 

> > From: "Justin Mohareb"  

> 

> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

> 

> > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:43:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 

> 

> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' 
> > but who's left to kill? 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > Actually, I believe he mentioned using the actor who played her 

> 

> > daughter in the first film, since she'll have actually grown into the 

> 

> > role in the intervening decade and a half. 

> 

> > 

> 

> > I believe he mentioned filming scenes on an ongoing basis. 

> 

> > 

> 

> > Justin 

> 

> > 

> 

> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Keith Johnson 

> 

> > < KeithBJohnson@ > wrote: 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's 
> > > daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was "Rosario Dawson 
> > > could pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business!" 
> > > Is she too old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? 
> > > Sure...but this is Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy 
> > > excuse, and the incongruity of age could add a built in humour to 
> > > heighten the camp factor. 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > - Original Message - 

> 

> > > From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdlists@ > 

> 

> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , ggszig@ , "Cinque3000" < cinque3000@ >, 
> > > "Sincere" < sincere1906@ > 

> 

> > > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 

> 

> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
> > > who's left to kill? 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator Quentin 
> > > Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment 
> > > that would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended. Six years 
> > > since Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has 
> > > made waves by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan. 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in Mexico 
> > > on Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill 3" in or 
> > > around 2014. According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a 
> > > different picture inbetween. He's currently contemplating a 
> > > "re-imagining" of a number of genres including a Western or a '30's type 
> > > gangster movie. 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > "Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her 
> > > baby and all of her targets killed. Most speculate that "Copperhead's" 
> > > daughter, who is spared in "Vol. 1" would be the most likely protagonist 
> > > now that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her 
> > > mind. The "Bill" portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate 
> > > even in flashbacks after David Carradine's death this past summer. 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > > More curious is who exactly would produce the feature

RE: [scifinoir2] Cussing at Work

[Martin Baxter]

One more thing, for sake of clarification -- the VP I would've said that to was 
a man. (Judging by the external genitalia, mind you. In all other regards, he 
was as much a man as the last bug you stepped on.)

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 17:13:27 -0400
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Cussing at Work















 





  


LMNAO!

Though that wouldn't work for me. After my last job, my response would be, 
roughly, "Take this job and shove it so far up your g*ds-d*mned a$$ that, 
whenever you cough for the next six f*cking weeks, you're tasting my f*cking 
resume, b*tch."

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
CC: blackscifihorrorfantasyc...@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 17:38:58 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] Cussing at Work















 





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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Martin Baxter]

No, you're not, Tracey. I cussed up a streak when they canceled it.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:57:04 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem















 





  








I loved her in that.   I guess I was the only one

 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter

Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:34 PM

To: SciFiNoir2

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem





 





rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series
"Commander in Chief".



"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik















To:
scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: ravena...@yahoo.com

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 +

Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem



  







Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is
strong and beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her
as a kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and
"The Long Kiss Goodnight"). "The Long Kiss Goodnight" is a
great movie but both it and "Cutthroat" were box office bombs.



~(no)rave!



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com,
"Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:

>

> You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was
not what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they
strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. 

> 

> 

> 

> For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in
“the long kiss goodnight� She was an assassin who had amnesia and
became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a
mother/assassin protecting her own.

> 

> 

> 

> I thought she was s col! But I’m not
specifically attracted to Gena Davis.

> 

> 

> 

> Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in
Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual appeal,
I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and make-up job on
her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore when she took
down the all those guys with swords. 

> 

> 

> 

> I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother 
> characters.


> 

> 

> 

> Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I
just not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are
tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have
been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the
audience in on the satire

> 

> 

> 

> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Mr. Worf

> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45%
of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on
it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 

> 

> I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in
them a long time ago. 

> 

> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter 
wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious
attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty.

> 

> As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the
gents here are hoping for posted images.

> 

> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

> 

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> _ 

> 

> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

> From: tdli...@...

> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700

> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

> 

> 

> 

> What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie (

> before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl,

> Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 

> 

> All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy

> 

> Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do

> not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with

> Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was

> buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day,

> those things were in okay, so stop laughing.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Keith Johnson]

I don't do "torture porn" either. Just not my thing. I still believe that real 
horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that Hostel 
and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for me. 
I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one of 
his buddies. I forget the name--"The Cave"?--but it was about the usual group 
of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they contract some 
kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all but decay. It was 
actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what helped is that this 
was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was cut, but the gist of it 
was still there. It was a really good time waster for a cold, rainy Saturday 
afternoon. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. 
Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I 
didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. 

I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of "Torture porn." There 
isn't a better name for it at this point. 


On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like "Shawn of 
the Dead", "Twenty-Eight Days Later", and "Dog Soldiers" (the later is a movie 
about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically 
,and is pretty good). 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 









This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. 
I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 

I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them 
a long time ago. 


On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
wrote: 





Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. 

As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
here are hoping for posted images. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 




What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( 
before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, 
Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 

All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy 

Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do 
not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with 
Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was 
buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, 
those things were in okay, so stop laughing. 

I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was 
poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing 
but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which 
the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the 
previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have 
thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. 
Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, 
but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might 
bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse 
letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came 
to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and 
the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it. If I 
were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a 
transformers DVD instead, based on those previews 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Kelwyn 
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:32 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 

I defy you to name a Racquel Welch helmed hit (excluding her first, "One 
Million Years B.C."). Pam Gri

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[Keith Johnson]

It's really good, but let me ask you: does Tarantino ever go too far in his 
homages/copying of other genres for your taste? For example, I loved Kill Bill, 
but by the time the Bride and Lu's character were fighting in the garden, 
complete with the water thing going, I felt as if I were being hit over the 
head with homages. I guess it's one thing to have touches from other films in 
your movie, but Tarantino literally stuffs his films with those, and it's not 
very subtle. 
Not complaining, mind you. I've only seen two of his films, so don't know if 
his originality outshines his homages, or if he simply repackages the homages 
in a skillful enough way so that one doesn't mind. After all, there are very 
few original ideas in Hollywood, so recycling old themes isn't by itself a 
crime. 


- Original Message - 
From: "B Smith"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:35:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
who's left to kill? 






That was Sofie Fatale. Julie Dreyfus also has a small but meaty role in 
Inglorious Basterds. 

*putting away my Japanese special edition boxed set of Kill Bill Vol. 1* 

I guess you can say I'm fan. The cinematic references, cameos and injokes from 
the movie are heaven for fans of Asian, Italian and 70s grindhouse cinema. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> Wow, you must be a fan! Who was the lady who was Lucy Lu's sidekick? The one 
> who was half Asian and described as "Dressed like a villain from Star Trek"? 
> I wish she'd been given more to do (i must admit because i couldn't stop 
> staring at her) 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:47:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
> who's left to kill? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It could definitely work and they could bring back Elle Driver, Sofie Fatale 
> and Johnny Mo as her bitter, crippled masters. 
> 
> If they really wanted to rock our worlds they could actually have Vernita's 
> daughter succeed and have the Bride's daughter taking up the sword and going 
> after her. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > that could work... 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Justin Mohareb"  
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:43:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' 
> > but who's left to kill? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Actually, I believe he mentioned using the actor who played her 
> > daughter in the first film, since she'll have actually grown into the 
> > role in the intervening decade and a half. 
> > 
> > I believe he mentioned filming scenes on an ongoing basis. 
> > 
> > Justin 
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Keith Johnson 
> > < KeithBJohnson@ > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's 
> > > daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was "Rosario Dawson 
> > > could pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business!" 
> > > Is she too old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? 
> > > Sure...but this is Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy 
> > > excuse, and the incongruity of age could add a built in humour to 
> > > heighten the camp factor. 
> > > 
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdlists@ > 
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , ggszig@ , "Cinque3000" < cinque3000@ >, 
> > > "Sincere" < sincere1906@ > 
> > > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
> > > who's left to kill? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator Quentin 
> > > Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment 
> > > that would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended. Six years 
> > > since Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has 
> > > made waves by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan. 
> > > 
> > > Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in Mexico 
> > > on Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill 3" in or 
> > > around 2014. According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a 
> > > different picture inbetween. He's currently contemplating a 
> > > "re-imagining" of a number of genres including a Western or a '30's type 
> > > gangster movie. 
> > > 
> > > "Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her 
> > > baby and all of her targets killed. Most speculate that "Copperhead's" 
> > > daughter, who is spared in 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but who's left to kill?

[Keith Johnson]

I'd never seen Dreyfus before this movie. Very pretty woman. Too bad American 
cinema hasn't fully gotten back to thinking a look like hers is a good standard 
of beauty. It's changing back, but slowly. Getting quite tired of magazines and 
celebrity watching TV shows proclaiming blonde and/or anorexic women like 
Aniston, Paltrow, and Jolie as "beautiful" and the standards of beauty. 


- Original Message - 
From: "B Smith"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:35:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
who's left to kill? 






That was Sofie Fatale. Julie Dreyfus also has a small but meaty role in 
Inglorious Basterds. 

*putting away my Japanese special edition boxed set of Kill Bill Vol. 1* 

I guess you can say I'm fan. The cinematic references, cameos and injokes from 
the movie are heaven for fans of Asian, Italian and 70s grindhouse cinema. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> Wow, you must be a fan! Who was the lady who was Lucy Lu's sidekick? The one 
> who was half Asian and described as "Dressed like a villain from Star Trek"? 
> I wish she'd been given more to do (i must admit because i couldn't stop 
> staring at her) 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 1:47:55 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
> who's left to kill? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It could definitely work and they could bring back Elle Driver, Sofie Fatale 
> and Johnny Mo as her bitter, crippled masters. 
> 
> If they really wanted to rock our worlds they could actually have Vernita's 
> daughter succeed and have the Bride's daughter taking up the sword and going 
> after her. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > that could work... 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Justin Mohareb"  
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 11:43:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' 
> > but who's left to kill? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Actually, I believe he mentioned using the actor who played her 
> > daughter in the first film, since she'll have actually grown into the 
> > role in the intervening decade and a half. 
> > 
> > I believe he mentioned filming scenes on an ongoing basis. 
> > 
> > Justin 
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 11:34 PM, Keith Johnson 
> > < KeithBJohnson@ > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Damn! Now the guys have *me* doing it, but when I thought of Copperhead's 
> > > daughter going after The Bride, my first thought was "Rosario Dawson 
> > > could pull off a kickass woman bent on revenge like nobody's business!" 
> > > Is she too old to play Copperhead's daughter only ten years from now? 
> > > Sure...but this is Tarentino. I'm sure he could come up with some crazy 
> > > excuse, and the incongruity of age could add a built in humour to 
> > > heighten the camp factor. 
> > > 
> > > - Original Message - 
> > > From: "Tracey de Morsella" < tdlists@ > 
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , ggszig@ , "Cinque3000" < cinque3000@ >, 
> > > "Sincere" < sincere1906@ > 
> > > Sent: Monday, October 5, 2009 2:00:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Quentin Tarantino confirms 'Kill Bill, Vol. 3,' but 
> > > who's left to kill? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > During promotion for the first two "Kill Bill" films, creator Quentin 
> > > Tarantino hypothisized that he'd like to return for a third installment 
> > > that would take place 10 years afterward the second film ended. Six years 
> > > since Vol. 1 and a little over five years since Vol. 2, Tarantino has 
> > > made waves by letting everyone know he hasn't abandoned his plan. 
> > > 
> > > Speaking during a press conference for "Inglourious Basterds" in Mexico 
> > > on Saturday, Tarantino says he still plays to shoot "Kill Bill 3" in or 
> > > around 2014. According to Variety, the filmmaker said he'd shoot a 
> > > different picture inbetween. He's currently contemplating a 
> > > "re-imagining" of a number of genres including a Western or a '30's type 
> > > gangster movie. 
> > > 
> > > "Kill Bill, Vol. 2" ended with The Bride (Uma Thurman) reunited with her 
> > > baby and all of her targets killed. Most speculate that "Copperhead's" 
> > > daughter, who is spared in "Vol. 1" would be the most likely protagonist 
> > > now that she's all grown up and no doubt has revenge of her own on her 
> > > mind. The "Bill" portion of the film would be difficult to incorporate 
> > > even in flashbacks after David Carradine's death this past summer. 
> > > 
> > > More curious is who exactly would produce the feature? It's unclear 
> > > whether this is a project the Weinstein's were 

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Tracey de Morsella]

I liked the first saw, but I cannot do that kind of thing on a regular basis

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:55 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

 






I don't do "torture porn" either. Just not my thing. I still believe that real 
horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that Hostel 
and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for me.
I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one of 
his buddies. I forget the name--"The Cave"?--but it was about the usual group 
of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they contract some 
kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all but decay. It was 
actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what helped is that this 
was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was cut, but the gist of it 
was still there. It was a really good time waster for a cold, rainy Saturday 
afternoon.

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent : Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. 
Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I 
didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. 

I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of "Torture porn." There 
isn't a better name for it at this point. 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:

 

Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like "Shawn of 
the Dead", "Twenty-Eight Days Later", and "Dog Soldiers" (the later is a movie 
about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically 
,and is pretty good).



- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. 
I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 

I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them 
a long time ago. 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:



Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty.

As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
here are hoping for posted images.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





  _  

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie (
before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl,
Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 

All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy

Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do
not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with
Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was
buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day,
those things were in okay, so stop laughing. 

I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was
poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing
but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which
the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the
previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have
thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body.
Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing,
but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might
bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse
letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came
to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and
the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it. If I
were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a
transformers DVD instead, based on those previews

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelwyn
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:32 PM
To: scifi

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Mr. Worf]

I'll try to catch it when they show it again on syfy. I think I burned
myself out on horror/slasher movies when I was a teen. My friend lived down
the street from a video store that carried a lot of b movies (including
faces of death) and we would often watch 4 movies or more a night on the
weekends.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Mr Worf, IMO, pick up "Dog Soldiers". It's not brilliant, incisive
> movie-making by any stretch. Just fun. Didn't scare me a lick, but I did get
> a kick out of it that horror movies haven't given me for -- well, forever,
> since "Psycho". No, I take that back. "The Incubus" did make me jump, when I
> first saw it (because the evil only attacked women -- even young, it still
> rankled).
>
> And something made me IMDb the movie, to learn that (surprise surprise!)
> H'Wood is sorta remaking it.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:17:20 -0700
>
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
>
>
>  I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead.
> Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I
> didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel.
>
> I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of "Torture porn."
> There isn't a better name for it at this point.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like "Shawn
> of the Dead", "Twenty-Eight Days Later", and "Dog Soldiers" (the later is a
> movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy
> periodically ,and is pretty good).
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
>
>
>  This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45%
> of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act
> on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too.
>
> I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in
> them a long time ago.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious
> attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty.
>
> As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the
> gents here are hoping for posted images.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
>
>What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie (
> before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl,
> Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel
>
> All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy
>
> Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do
> not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with
> Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was
> buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day,
> those things were in okay, so stop laughing.
>
> I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was
> poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing
> but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which
> the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the
> previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have
> thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body.
> Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing,
> but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might
> bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse
> letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it
> came
> to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and
> the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it. If I
> were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a
> transformers DVD instead, based on those previews
>
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Kelwyn

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Keith Johnson]

i don't think they're exceptions, at least, in terms of what your premise has 
been, especially if younger women are taken into account. 
And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of "Catwoman". When i told her of this 
discussion, she laughed her head off. "That movie was horrible!" she said. like 
me, she doesn't think Berry is really that good of an actress, only seeming to 
convey any realism when she's on drugs or down-and-out. And to your point, I 
think that's the probem with her in themovie: she doesn't come close to 
conveying any of this subversive "girl power" you see in the flick. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:51:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or even 
angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox.>> 

Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule at 
the box office. 

(I suspect they are closet "Catwoman" fans);> 

~rave! 

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Tracey de Morsella]

The movie, is horrible, but I love Catwoman.  It’s not something I watch over 
and over.  I have seen long kiss goodnight, strange days, kill bill 2 and 
Batman II with Michele Pfieffer numerous times over the years.  

 

I still liked her tacky costume though

 

Regarding Berry, I liked her in those comedies she did when she was young.  I 
don’t hate her, I think she is pretty, I admire her accomplishments, but it 
does not translate to any of the films I see her in.  She was okay in swordfish 
fish, but the best part of her character did not come out until the last 10 
minutes of the movie. Gothika was okay, but I could take it or leave it.   
Catwoman was so poorly produced that I cannot blame her.  Everybody looked bad 
in that.   But to me she is almost like an affirmative action hire.  If they 
want a black woman with box office pull  (?), they go to her.  I do not think 
she is without talent, but there is a lack of charisma.  I cannot put my 
fingers on it, because I liked her back in the day

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:01 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

 






i don't think they're exceptions, at least, in terms of what your premise has 
been, especially if younger women are taken into account.
And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of "Catwoman". When i told her of this 
discussion, she laughed her head off. "That movie was horrible!" she said. like 
me, she doesn't think Berry is really that good of an actress, only seeming to 
convey any realism when she's on drugs or down-and-out. And to your point, I 
think that's the probem with her in themovie: she doesn't come close to 
conveying any of this subversive "girl power" you see in the flick.

- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:51:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  , Keith 
Johnson  wrote:
>
Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or even 
angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox.>>

Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule at 
the box office. 

(I suspect they are closet "Catwoman" fans);>

~rave!

[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Kelwyn]

I loved "Commander in Chief."  I also think it is criminal how ABC mishandled 
it - firing the creator and original producer - and let it die.  Harry Lennix 
was excellent as her chief of staff.

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series 
> "Commander in Chief".
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: ravena...@...
> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Thank you for the Gena Davis.  Ms. Davis is strong and 
> beautiful and her then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a 
> kick-ass heroine in back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and "The Long 
> Kiss Goodnight").  "The Long Kiss Goodnight" is a great movie but both it and 
> "Cutthroat" were box office bombs.
> 
> 
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > You misread my statement.  While I do not discount those stats, that was 
> > not what I was talking about.  Women see famous beautiful women as people 
> > they strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters 
> > they play.  
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in 
> > â€Å"the long kiss goodnight�  She was an assassin who had amnesia 
> > and became a wife, mother and school teacher.  She hit her head and became 
> > a mother/assassin protecting her own.
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > I thought she was s col!  But I’m not 
> > specifically attracted to Gena Davis.
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > Another example of a kick ass broad character  I just Love  is the Bride in 
> > Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s 
> > sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair 
> > and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit 
> > she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords.  
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned 
> > mother characters.  
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > Anyway,  I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, 
> > I just not referring specifically to it.   That being said, I’m sure 
> > there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they 
> > would have been drawn to her in  those promos that made her ugly.  They 
> > needed to let the audience in on the satire
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Mr. Worf
> 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM
> 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
> > 
> 
> >  
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% 
> > of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act 
> > on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in 
> > them a long time ago. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter  wrote:
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
> > attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty.
> 
> > 
> 
> > As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the 
> > gents here are hoping for posted images.
> 
> > 
> 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> > 
> 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> >   _  
> 
> > 
> 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> > From: tdlists@
> 
> > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700
> 
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
> > 
> 
> >   
> 
> > 
> 
> > What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie (
> 
> > before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl,
> 
> > Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 
> 
> > 
> 
> > All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy
> 
> > 
> 
> > Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do
> 
> > not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with
> 
> > Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was
> 
> > buying bustiers, leathers skirts and t

[scifinoir2] article: OPINION: When Rich Black People Should Know Better

[Mr. Worf]

Black Planet's article featuring Ms. Johnson from BET.

http://newsone.com/nation/opinion-when-rich-black-people-should-know-better/

Re: [scifinoir2] This week on House

[Mr. Worf]

Let's make it a little easier to make the decision. What if it was Pol Pot,
Hitler, Idi Amin or Bin Ladin?

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Such issues are sadly absent from TV these days, Mr Worf. And, to answer, I
> don't think I could. I'm racking my brain right now, to find a scenario that
> would allow me to say yes, and nothing comes up. If anything, I get a few
> that let me finish the job that the ailment started.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:58:33 -0700
> Subject: [scifinoir2] This week on House
>
>James Earl Jones was the guest star this week as an evil African
> dictator with a mystery ailment. The show brought up an interesting moral
> dilemma. Would you save a man that has killed and brutalized thousands, and
> could possibly go on and kill thousands of people in the future? Moral
> questions seem to be missing greatly from tv as of late. They are always
> topic for a show. What do you think?
>
> --
> Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>
>
> --
> Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it 
> now.
>
> 
>



-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

[scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem)

[Kelwyn]

Halle Berry (Halle Berr) Halle Berry (Halle Berry)
she walk it like a model (yea) hands on ya knees (aye)
scrrrub da ground, she ain't nuttin but a tease
Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry
Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry

~Hurricane Chris - "She's Fine (Halle Berry)"

I direct all Halle Berry haters to "Strictly Business" and "Bullworth."  Her 
first film work as a crack ho in "Jungle Fever" is still among her best work.  
Her work in "Things we lost in the Fire" with David Duchovny and Benicio Del 
Toro (who should have been nominated) is highly underrated.

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> The movie, is horrible, but I love Catwoman.  It's not something I watch over 
> and over.  I have seen long kiss goodnight, strange days, kill bill 2 and 
> Batman II with Michele Pfieffer numerous times over the years.  
> 
>  
> 
> I still liked her tacky costume though
> 
>  
> 
> Regarding Berry, I liked her in those comedies she did when she was young.  I 
> don’t hate her, I think she is pretty, I admire her accomplishments, but it 
> does not translate to any of the films I see her in.  She was okay in 
> swordfish fish, but the best part of her character did not come out until the 
> last 10 minutes of the movie. Gothika was okay, but I could take it or leave 
> it.   Catwoman was so poorly produced that I cannot blame her.  Everybody 
> looked bad in that.   But to me she is almost like an affirmative action 
> hire.  If they want a black woman with box office pull  (?), they go to her.  
> I do not think she is without talent, but there is a lack of charisma.  I 
> cannot put my fingers on it, because I liked her back in the day
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Keith Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:01 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> i don't think they're exceptions, at least, in terms of what your premise has 
> been, especially if younger women are taken into account.
> And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of "Catwoman". When i told her of this 
> discussion, she laughed her head off. "That movie was horrible!" she said. 
> like me, she doesn't think Berry is really that good of an actress, only 
> seeming to convey any realism when she's on drugs or down-and-out. And to 
> your point, I think that's the probem with her in themovie: she doesn't come 
> close to conveying any of this subversive "girl power" you see in the flick.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelwyn" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:51:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
>   
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  , 
> Keith Johnson  wrote:
> >
> Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or 
> even angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox.>>
> 
> Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule 
> at the box office. 
> 
> (I suspect they are closet "Catwoman" fans);>
> 
> ~rave!
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop

[Mr. Worf]

I totally agree. I would even say that they are worse than Microsoft.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> "They are well on their way to becoming the mega-corp that we must
> destroy."
>
> If that eventuality falls, consider me available for war. I don't do
> suicide bombing, but I -- best not to post specifics here. HomeInsec has
> many eyes...
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:49:41 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop
>
>
>  I think that this will position them into where they will be able to
> offer the tv top downloading system. There was talk about it about a year
> and a half ago at one of the tech conferences but no word on when it was
> going to be available. This maneuver would allow them to control the revenue
> stream of everything that NBC and Hulu has to offer. They are well on their
> way to becoming the mega-corp that we must destroy.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
>
> http://ohthuco.notlong.com
>
> A Comcast deal for NBC could throw Hulu for a loop
>
> By Dawn C. Chmielewski and Meg James
>
> Tribune Newspapers
>
> 1:59 PM CDT, October 5, 2009
>
> hulu HOLLYWOOD -- Since Hulu launched early in 2008, its popularity has
> quadrupled as millions of people turn to the free online video site to watch
> episodes of such television shows as "Family Guy," "The Office" and "Modern
> Family."
>
> Some wonder how long the free flow of online video would last if Comcast
> Corp. ends up a part owner of Hulu.
>
> The nation's leading cable company has made no secret of its disdain for
> Hulu's approach of giving away the shows that Comcast and other pay-TV
> distributors spend billions for -- and rely on to retain subscribers.
> Comcast is in talks with NBC Universal about pooling their entertainment
> assets into a new company that would own 30 percent of Hulu in addition to
> such networks as NBC, Bravo, E! and Syfy. Comcast would control the new
> entity and possibly have the clout to push Hulu to begin charging for access
> to some of its most popular shows, including "It's Always Sunny in
> Philadelphia," "The Daily Show with Jon Stewart" and "Psych."
>
> "Would Comcast put an end to the Hulu model of using the Web to distribute
> free TV content?" said Michael Nathanson, senior media analyst at Sanford C.
> Bernstein & Co. "Will Comcast continue to support Hulu?"
>
> Hulu, a partnership among NBC, Fox and Walt Disney Co., has been a nagging
> concern among Wall Street investors, who see the site not as a hedge against
> Internet piracy or viral video phenomenon YouTube but as a threat to the
> economic underpinnings of the television business. The $22 billion a year in
> cable and satellite TV subscriptions paid to programmers underwrites the
> cost of producing all forms of television programming.
>
> Hulu already has limited users' access to certain cable programs, including
> FX's "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia," in response to an outcry from the
> television producers and cable companies that object to paying TV
> programmers hundreds of millions of dollars each year for shows that are
> offered free online.
>
> Comcast Chief Executive Brian L. Roberts is among the cable executives who
> have made their concerns known to TV programmers, both privately and
> publicly. He and other cable executives fear that Hulu could become the free
> alternative to cable TV subscriptions.
>
> "If I am any one of these programmers, not just ESPN but the Food Network
> ... and I have a business in that 50 percent, 60 percent, 70 percent of my
> business comes from subscriptions, I want to think long and hard before I
> just put that content out there for free and not think through what it is
> going to mean to my business," Roberts said at an investor conference in
> May.
>
> Owning content would give Comcast some control over the matter.
>
> "Arguably, their ability to shape online content distribution, and to
> recast windows for video on demand, would be an important attribute of any
> deal," wrote Craig Moffett, a cable industry analyst at Sanford C.
> Bernstein.
>
> Comcast's interest in NBC Universal would dramatically expand its
> entertainment portfolio with such attractive cable channels as USA Network,
> MSNBC and CNBC as well as the Universal Pictures movie studio. The proposed
> Comcast-NBC Universal venture also would give the cable operator a greater
> role in deciding how and when TV shows and movies are distributed online and
> at what price to consumers.
>
> The deal hinges on whether a French company, Vivendi, decides to unload its
> 20 percent stake in NBC Universal. Vivendi must decide in the next two
> months, and then federal

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Keith Johnson]

You're right on about "Dog Soldiers". I first saw it late night one Saturday, 
and was pleased. It didn't 
scare me even though I was watching alone in the dark, yet it did hold my 
interest. Never saw "The Incubus". Aside from the obvious, what's it about? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 4:47:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






Mr Worf, IMO, pick up "Dog Soldiers". It's not brilliant, incisive movie-making 
by any stretch. Just fun. Didn't scare me a lick, but I did get a kick out of 
it that horror movies haven't given me for -- well, forever, since "Psycho". 
No, I take that back. "The Incubus" did make me jump, when I first saw it 
(because the evil only attacked women -- even young, it still rankled). 

And something made me IMDb the movie, to learn that (surprise surprise!) H'Wood 
is sorta remaking it. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:17:20 -0700 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 




I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. 
Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I 
didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. 

I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of "Torture porn." There 
isn't a better name for it at this point. 



On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like "Shawn of 
the Dead", "Twenty-Eight Days Later", and "Dog Soldiers" (the later is a movie 
about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically 
,and is pretty good). 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 







This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. 
I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 

I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them 
a long time ago. 



On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
wrote: 





Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. 

As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
here are hoping for posted images. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 




What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( 
before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, 
Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 

All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy 

Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do 
not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with 
Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was 
buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, 
those things were in okay, so stop laughing. 

I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was 
poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing 
but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which 
the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the 
previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have 
thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body. 
Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing, 
but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might 
bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse 
letters publication once, and stuff like was considered a no-no when it came 
to targeting mainstream males. She did not look sexy in the previews, and 
the previews is what people use to determine whether to go see it. If I 
were a young guy who thought she was hot, I would have popped in a 
transformers DVD instead, based on those previews 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifin

RE: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem)

[Tracey de Morsella]

Actually, I mentioned that I liked her in her early comedies.  I mean I was a 
fan.  I liked her in executive decision.  I'm probably the only one here who 
liked her as Jinx in Bond. I was hoping she would get the spin off. When I was 
modeling she was in a horrible sitcom called Living Dolls, it was about 
modeling and I loved her.   For me, her strength is in comedies and action and 
adventure, but she wants to be a serious actress, so I guess she avoids them.   

I still like her, but now it is not really based on any work she has done.  I 
said that I thought that she is not without talent, she has proven that, over 
and over,  but I do not walk away moved.  

I wanted her as Catwoman, but the movie sucked.  That is not her fault, but it 
does not do her any favors.  I thought she was okay in Perfect Stranger, 
Gothika, and Swordfish, but nothing stands out.  In her defense, none of those 
movies are stand out movies.  I have not critiqued her talent, but as an early 
fan I have been underwhelmed lately.  I need to see her in Things we lost in 
the Fire".  I did not watch it when it came out because at the time, I really 
thought there was still a good chance I would die from my illness, so I only 
watched escapist movies.  She is getting past the age, but I wish she had 
pursued more comedies and action flicks during her 20's and 30's.  On the other 
hand had she done so, she might not be the most famous Black actress in 
Hollywood.

By the way, there is another famous actress, I used to have a similar response 
to who did some great serious work, but is white.  Meryl Streep.  Her early 
work was good.  Her performances were flawless.  She won Oscars, but for some 
reason she did not really evoke much emotion from me. Now,I love her.  I loved 
her in Doubt and The Devil Wears Prada

Go figure

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kelwyn
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:33 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box 
Office Problem)

Halle Berry (Halle Berr) Halle Berry (Halle Berry)
she walk it like a model (yea) hands on ya knees (aye)
scrrrub da ground, she ain't nuttin but a tease
Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry
Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry

~Hurricane Chris - "She's Fine (Halle Berry)"

I direct all Halle Berry haters to "Strictly Business" and "Bullworth."  Her 
first film work as a crack ho in "Jungle Fever" is still among her best work.  
Her work in "Things we lost in the Fire" with David Duchovny and Benicio Del 
Toro (who should have been nominated) is highly underrated.

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> The movie, is horrible, but I love Catwoman.  It's not something I watch over 
> and over.  I have seen long kiss goodnight, strange days, kill bill 2 and 
> Batman II with Michele Pfieffer numerous times over the years.  
> 
>  
> 
> I still liked her tacky costume though
> 
>  
> 
> Regarding Berry, I liked her in those comedies she did when she was young.  I 
> don’t hate her, I think she is pretty, I admire her accomplishments, but it 
> does not translate to any of the films I see her in.  She was okay in 
> swordfish fish, but the best part of her character did not come out until the 
> last 10 minutes of the movie. Gothika was okay, but I could take it or leave 
> it.   Catwoman was so poorly produced that I cannot blame her.  Everybody 
> looked bad in that.   But to me she is almost like an affirmative action 
> hire.  If they want a black woman with box office pull  (?), they go to her.  
> I do not think she is without talent, but there is a lack of charisma.  I 
> cannot put my fingers on it, because I liked her back in the day
> 
>  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Keith Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:01 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> i don't think they're exceptions, at least, in terms of what your premise has 
> been, especially if younger women are taken into account.
> And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of "Catwoman". When i told her of this 
> discussion, she laughed her head off. "That movie was horrible!" she said. 
> like me, she doesn't think Berry is really that good of an actress, only 
> seeming to convey any realism when she's on drugs or down-and-out. And to 
> your point, I think that's the probem with her in themovie: she doesn't come 
> close to conveying any of this subversive "girl power" you see in the flick.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelwyn" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:51:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
>   
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.c

RE: [scifinoir2] article: OPINION: When Rich Black People Should Know Better

[Tracey de Morsella]

Contempt and disgust.

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:00 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] article: OPINION: When Rich Black People Should Know 
Better

 



Black Planet's article featuring Ms. Johnson from BET.

http://newsone.com/nation/opinion-when-rich-black-people-should-know-better/

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Keith Johnson]

I like that show, but the one I really miss is "Jack and Bobby" the series 
about the two brothers in our time, one of whom will become President in the 
future. Starring Christine Lahti as their mother, it was a smart, interesting 
show, especially in how we'd get "flashbacks" from the President's staffers and 
friends in the future, and then be brought back to our time to see how he was 
being shaped. really good show with a really good premise that, alas, didn't 
catch on. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:28:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






No, you're not, Tracey. I cussed up a streak when they canceled it. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:57:04 -0700 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 








I loved her in that. I guess I was the only one 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Martin Baxter 
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:34 PM 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 





rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series 
"Commander in Chief". 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: ravena...@yahoo.com 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then 
husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in 
back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and "The Long Kiss Goodnight"). "The 
Long Kiss Goodnight" is a great movie but both it and "Cutthroat" were box 
office bombs. 

~(no)rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote: 
> 
> You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not 
> what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they 
> strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. 
> 
> 
> 
> For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in 
> “the long kiss goodnight†� She was an assassin who had amnesia and became 
> a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a 
> mother/assassin protecting her own. 
> 
> 
> 
> I thought she was s col! But I’m not specifically 
> attracted to Gena Davis. 
> 
> 
> 
> Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in 
> Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual 
> appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and 
> make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore 
> when she took down the all those guys with swords. 
> 
> 
> 
> I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother 
> characters. 
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just 
> not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are tons 
> of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been 
> drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the 
> audience in on the satire 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
> women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on 
> it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 
> 
> I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in 
> them a long time ago. 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
> attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. 
> 
> As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
> here are hoping for posted images. 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _ 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: tdli...@... 
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Keith Johnson]

I can't do that kind of thing once. I can watch any manner of alien or 
supernatural movie, but anything that's based in reality--in terms of regular 
humans--I tend not to watch. I'm not too worried about Frankenstein's Monster 
or Dracula showing up on my doorstep. But a crazed, cannibalistic serial 
killer? Unlikey (one hopes) but not impossible. I like the fantasy line 
separating the impossible from the possible. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:12:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 









I liked the first saw, but I cannot do that kind of thing on a regular basis 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:55 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 









I don't do "torture porn" either. Just not my thing. I still believe that real 
horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that Hostel 
and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for me. 
I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one of 
his buddies. I forget the name--"The Cave"?--but it was about the usual group 
of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they contract some 
kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all but decay. It was 
actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what helped is that this 
was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was cut, but the gist of it 
was still there. It was a really good time waster for a cold, rainy Saturday 
afternoon. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent : Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. 
Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I 
didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. 

I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of "Torture porn." There 
isn't a better name for it at this point. 


On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 





Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like "Shawn of 
the Dead", "Twenty-Eight Days Later", and "Dog Soldiers" (the later is a movie 
about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically 
,and is pretty good). 




- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 








This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. 
I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 

I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them 
a long time ago. 


On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
wrote: 




Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. 

As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
here are hoping for posted images. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( 
before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, 
Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 

All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy 

Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do 
not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with 
Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was 
buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, 
those things were in okay, so stop laughing. 

I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was 
poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing 
but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which 
the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the 
previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Keith Johnson]

It's not a standard horror/slasher flick. The problem in American cinema has 
been that for the last few decades, "horror" has indeed degenerated mostly into 
slasher flicks where nubile copulating teens get killed, and the only real 
suspense is how the next death will outdo the last. "Dog Soldiers" is more of a 
well written movie with above average acting (you'll recognize some of the 
actors from other stuff if you watch much British fare) and professional 
direction. 
Americans have OD'd so much on gore, sex, and cheap thrills, we've lost the 
ability to watch a plot that actually builds toward something. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:54:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






I'll try to catch it when they show it again on syfy. I think I burned myself 
out on horror/slasher movies when I was a teen. My friend lived down the street 
from a video store that carried a lot of b movies (including faces of death) 
and we would often watch 4 movies or more a night on the weekends. 


On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
wrote: 





Mr Worf, IMO, pick up "Dog Soldiers". It's not brilliant, incisive movie-making 
by any stretch. Just fun. Didn't scare me a lick, but I did get a kick out of 
it that horror movies haven't given me for -- well, forever, since "Psycho". 
No, I take that back. "The Incubus" did make me jump, when I first saw it 
(because the evil only attacked women -- even young, it still rankled). 

And something made me IMDb the movie, to learn that (surprise surprise!) H'Wood 
is sorta remaking it. 


"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com 
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:17:20 -0700 



Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 







I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. 
Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I 
didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. 

I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of "Torture porn." There 
isn't a better name for it at this point. 



On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like "Shawn of 
the Dead", "Twenty-Eight Days Later", and "Dog Soldiers" (the later is a movie 
about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically 
,and is pretty good). 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 







This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. 
I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 

I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them 
a long time ago. 



On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
wrote: 





Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. 

As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
here are hoping for posted images. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 




What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( 
before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, 
Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 

All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy 

Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do 
not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with 
Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was 
buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day, 
those things were in okay, so stop laughing. 

I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was 
poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing 
but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which 
the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the 
previews a pure sla

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Keith Johnson]

I think Berry isn't a good actress, but an average one. She only seems able to 
be convincing when she plays extremes: a drug addict, a down-and-out woman who 
ends up having sex with a bigot, a BAP. But when she's called upon to do nuance 
or subtlety, she just seems to be trying. You can all but see her lips moving 
as she recites her lines before speaking them. I think she's too aware of being 
on screen. Phyllis and I saw her in that supposed sexy thriller last year (the 
name escapes me but Giovanni Ribisi and Bruce Willis were her co-stars). We 
just never bought her in the role. It wasn't just that it was a silly movie, 
Berry just didn't hold our attention, and when she was called upon to act angry 
or something, we actually laughed. Only when her character displayed 
some...weird traits...did she stop appearing to be acting. Ted Danson once said 
"Acting is the art of pretending to be someone else while pretending you're not 
pretending". 

I don't think Berry's too good at that pretending. She seems to be too nervous, 
too self-conscious. It's as if she's always on stage, always trying to convey 
an image, trying to gauge what people think about her, instead of just being 
natural. It's hard for me to describe too, but there's a lack of a sense of 
self, a lack of self-composure. I've felt that every time I've seen her in 
interviews, and it translates to her acting. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:33:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 









The movie, is horrible, but I love Catwoman. It’s not something I watch over 
and over. I have seen long kiss goodnight, strange days, kill bill 2 and Batman 
II with Michele Pfieffer numerous times over the years. 



I still liked her tacky costume though 



Regarding Berry, I liked her in those comedies she did when she was young. I 
don’t hate her, I think she is pretty, I admire her accomplishments, but it 
does not translate to any of the films I see her in. She was okay in swordfish 
fish, but the best part of her character did not come out until the last 10 
minutes of the movie. Gothika was okay, but I could take it or leave it. 
Catwoman was so poorly produced that I cannot blame her. Everybody looked bad 
in that. But to me she is almost like an affirmative action hire. If they want 
a black woman with box office pull (?), they go to her. I do not think she is 
without talent, but there is a lack of charisma. I cannot put my fingers on it, 
because I liked her back in the day 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:01 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 









i don't think they're exceptions, at least, in terms of what your premise has 
been, especially if younger women are taken into account. 
And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of "Catwoman". When i told her of this 
discussion, she laughed her head off. "That movie was horrible!" she said. like 
me, she doesn't think Berry is really that good of an actress, only seeming to 
convey any realism when she's on drugs or down-and-out. And to your point, I 
think that's the probem with her in themovie: she doesn't come close to 
conveying any of this subversive "girl power" you see in the flick. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:51:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or even 
angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox.>> 

Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule at 
the box office. 

(I suspect they are closet "Catwoman" fans);> 

~rave! 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Keith Johnson]

I was delighted to see Kyle Secor--Bayliss from the fantastic series 
"Homicide"--in the role as Davis' husband. 
Another underrated, underused actor... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:44:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






I loved "Commander in Chief." I also think it is criminal how ABC mishandled it 
- firing the creator and original producer - and let it die. Harry Lennix was 
excellent as her chief of staff. 

~(no)rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> 
> 
> rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series 
> "Commander in Chief". 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: ravena...@... 
> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then 
> husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in 
> back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and "The Long Kiss Goodnight"). "The 
> Long Kiss Goodnight" is a great movie but both it and "Cutthroat" were box 
> office bombs. 
> 
> 
> 
> ~(no)rave! 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote: 
> 
> > 
> 
> > You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not 
> > what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they 
> > strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they 
> > play. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in 
> > â€Å"the long kiss goodnight� She was an assassin who had amnesia 
> > and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a 
> > mother/assassin protecting her own. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I thought she was s col! But I’m not 
> > specifically attracted to Gena Davis. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in 
> > Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s 
> > sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair 
> > and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit 
> > she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned 
> > mother characters. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I 
> > just not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure 
> > there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they 
> > would have been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They 
> > needed to let the audience in on the satire 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
> > Behalf Of Mr. Worf 
> 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM 
> 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% 
> > of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act 
> > on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in 
> > them a long time ago. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
> > attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the 
> > gents here are hoping for posted images. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> > 
> 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > _ 
> 
> > 
> 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> 
> > From: tdlists@ 
> 
> > Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700 
> 
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie ( 
> 
> > before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl, 
> 
> > Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 
> 
> > 
> 
> 

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Tracey de Morsella]

They show that on Comcast on demand here.  I always meant to check it out

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:37 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

 






I like that show, but the one I really miss is "Jack and Bobby" the series 
about the two brothers in our time, one of whom will become President in the 
future. Starring Christine Lahti as their mother, it was a smart, interesting 
show, especially in how we'd get "flashbacks" from the President's staffers and 
friends in the future, and then be brought back to our time to see how he was 
being shaped. really good show with a really good premise that, alas, didn't 
catch on.

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:28:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

No, you're not, Tracey. I cussed up a streak when they canceled it.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





  _  

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:57:04 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

 

I loved her in that.   I guess I was the only one

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:34 PM
To: SciFiNoir2
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

 



rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series 
"Commander in Chief".

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




  _  

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then 
husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in 
back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and "The Long Kiss Goodnight"). "The 
Long Kiss Goodnight" is a great movie but both it and "Cutthroat" were box 
office bombs.

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
>
> You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not 
> what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they 
> strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. 
> 
> 
> 
> For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in 
> “the long kiss goodnight� She was an assassin who had amnesia and became 
> a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a 
> mother/assassin protecting her own.
> 
> 
> 
> I thought she was s col! But I’m not specifically 
> attracted to Gena Davis.
> 
> 
> 
> Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in 
> Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual 
> appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and 
> make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore 
> when she took down the all those guys with swords. 
> 
> 
> 
> I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother 
> characters. 
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just 
> not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are tons 
> of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been 
> drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the 
> audience in on the satire
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
> women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on 
> it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 
> 
> I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in 
> them a long time ago. 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
> attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty.
> 
> As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
> here are hoping for posted images.
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely pla

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Tracey de Morsella]

The first Saw got rave reviews and Danny Glover.  I was curious, good and 
disturbing.  But over and over to me is just sadistic. Also more than once and 
many variations is not original.

 

It been a long time, but I do not remember the first saw being about a crazed 
cannibalistic serial killer

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:39 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

 






I can't do that kind of thing once. I can watch any manner of alien or 
supernatural movie, but anything that's based in reality--in terms of regular 
humans--I tend not to watch. I'm not too worried about Frankenstein's Monster 
or Dracula showing up on my doorstep. But a crazed, cannibalistic serial 
killer? Unlikey (one hopes) but not impossible. I like the fantasy line 
separating the impossible from the possible.

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:12:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

I liked the first saw, but I cannot do that kind of thing on a regular basis

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:55 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

 





I don't do "torture porn" either. Just not my thing. I still believe that real 
horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that Hostel 
and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for me.
I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one of 
his buddies. I forget the name--"The Cave"?--but it was about the usual group 
of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they contract some 
kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all but decay. It was 
actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what helped is that this 
was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was cut, but the gist of it 
was still there. It was a really good time waster for a cold, rainy Saturday 
afternoon.

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent : Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. 
Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I 
didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. 

I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of "Torture porn." There 
isn't a better name for it at this point. 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:

 

Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like "Shawn of 
the Dead", "Twenty-Eight Days Later", and "Dog Soldiers" (the later is a movie 
about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically 
,and is pretty good).



- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. 
I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 

I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them 
a long time ago. 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:



Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty.

As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
here are hoping for posted images.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




  _  

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie (
before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl,
Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel 

All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy

Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do
not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with
Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was
buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day,
those thing

Re: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem)

[Keith Johnson]

I told Phyllis recently that Meryl Streep is a delight, and what a discovery 
for a black man to say that! I first was moved by her in the movie with Renee 
Zellweger and Wiliam Hurt where she played a seemingly clueless housewife to 
her serious, wannabe writer husband. Streep was the polar opposite of my 
opinion of her, which was as the near ice princess of all the period pieces and 
heavy dramas. I later saw her in "The Bridges of Madison County" and was 
impressed. What sealed it for me, though, was seeing her live. Streep won an 
awardfor acting in a miniseries--I think it was "Angels in America". When she 
took the stage, there was no sign of the controlled, posed woman of stuff like 
"Out of Africa". Instead, she was laughing raucously, and accepted the award by 
joking, "Sometimes I think I'm over rated--but not tonight!" 

I've seen her in other interviews and she is an incredibly fun, lively person 
she just draws me in. And along with that, as she's aged, gained a bit of 
weight, and fallen away from those Merchant Ivory type films, she's expanded 
her roles, from "Prada" to that movie with Angela Bassett about teaching inner 
city kids the violin, to "Jules and Julia". 
Her range is astounding, her ability to move from comedy to camp to drama a 
rare thing that few actresses possesss. 

Count this black man a fan of Meryl Streep. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:24:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box 
Office Problem) 






Actually, I mentioned that I liked her in her early comedies. I mean I was a 
fan. I liked her in executive decision. I'm probably the only one here who 
liked her as Jinx in Bond. I was hoping she would get the spin off. When I was 
modeling she was in a horrible sitcom called Living Dolls, it was about 
modeling and I loved her. For me, her strength is in comedies and action and 
adventure, but she wants to be a serious actress, so I guess she avoids them. 

I still like her, but now it is not really based on any work she has done. I 
said that I thought that she is not without talent, she has proven that, over 
and over, but I do not walk away moved. 

I wanted her as Catwoman, but the movie sucked. That is not her fault, but it 
does not do her any favors. I thought she was okay in Perfect Stranger, 
Gothika, and Swordfish, but nothing stands out. In her defense, none of those 
movies are stand out movies. I have not critiqued her talent, but as an early 
fan I have been underwhelmed lately. I need to see her in Things we lost in the 
Fire". I did not watch it when it came out because at the time, I really 
thought there was still a good chance I would die from my illness, so I only 
watched escapist movies. She is getting past the age, but I wish she had 
pursued more comedies and action flicks during her 20's and 30's. On the other 
hand had she done so, she might not be the most famous Black actress in 
Hollywood. 

By the way, there is another famous actress, I used to have a similar response 
to who did some great serious work, but is white. Meryl Streep. Her early work 
was good. Her performances were flawless. She won Oscars, but for some reason 
she did not really evoke much emotion from me. Now,I love her. I loved her in 
Doubt and The Devil Wears Prada 

Go figure 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Kelwyn 
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:33 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box 
Office Problem) 

Halle Berry (Halle Berr) Halle Berry (Halle Berry) 
she walk it like a model (yea) hands on ya knees (aye) 
scrrrub da ground, she ain't nuttin but a tease 
Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry 
Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry 

~Hurricane Chris - "She's Fine (Halle Berry)" 

I direct all Halle Berry haters to "Strictly Business" and "Bullworth." Her 
first film work as a crack ho in "Jungle Fever" is still among her best work. 
Her work in "Things we lost in the Fire" with David Duchovny and Benicio Del 
Toro (who should have been nominated) is highly underrated. 

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote: 
> 
> The movie, is horrible, but I love Catwoman. It's not something I watch over 
> and over. I have seen long kiss goodnight, strange days, kill bill 2 and 
> Batman II with Michele Pfieffer numerous times over the years. 
> 
> 
> 
> I still liked her tacky costume though 
> 
> 
> 
> Regarding Berry, I liked her in those comedies she did when she was young. I 
> don’t hate her, I think she is pretty, I admire her accomplishments, but it 
> does not translate to any of the films I see her in. She was okay in 
> swordfish fish, but the best part of her character did not come out unt

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Tracey de Morsella]

Maybe that is the problem.  I do not know.  I still liked her in the comedies

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:49 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

 






I think Berry isn't a good actress, but an average one. She only seems able to 
be convincing when she plays extremes: a drug addict, a down-and-out woman who 
ends up having sex with a bigot, a BAP. But when she's called upon to do nuance 
or subtlety, she just seems to be trying. You can all but see her lips moving 
as she recites her lines before speaking them. I think she's too aware of being 
on screen. Phyllis and I saw her in that supposed sexy thriller last year (the 
name escapes me but Giovanni Ribisi and Bruce Willis were her co-stars).  We 
just never bought her in the role. It wasn't just that it was a silly movie, 
Berry just didn't hold our attention, and when she was called upon to act angry 
or something, we actually laughed. Only when her character displayed 
some...weird traits...did she stop appearing to be acting. Ted Danson once said 
"Acting is the art of pretending to be someone else while pretending you're not 
pretending". 

I don't think Berry's too good at that pretending. She seems to be too nervous, 
too self-conscious. It's as if she's always on stage, always trying to convey 
an image, trying to gauge what people think about her, instead of just being 
natural. It's hard for me to describe too, but there's a lack of a sense of 
self, a lack of self-composure. I've felt that every time I've seen her in 
interviews, and it translates to her acting.

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:33:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

The movie, is horrible, but I love Catwoman.  It’s not something I watch over 
and over.  I have seen long kiss goodnight, strange days, kill bill 2 and 
Batman II with Michele Pfieffer numerous times over the years.  

 

I still liked her tacky costume though

 

Regarding Berry, I liked her in those comedies she did when she was young.  I 
don’t hate her, I think she is pretty, I admire her accomplishments, but it 
does not translate to any of the films I see her in.  She was okay in swordfish 
fish, but the best part of her character did not come out until the last 10 
minutes of the movie. Gothika was okay, but I could take it or leave it.   
Catwoman was so poorly produced that I cannot blame her.  Everybody looked bad 
in that.   But to me she is almost like an affirmative action hire.  If they 
want a black woman with box office pull  (?), they go to her.  I do not think 
she is without talent, but there is a lack of charisma.  I cannot put my 
fingers on it, because I liked her back in the day

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:01 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

 





i don't think they're exceptions, at least, in terms of what your premise has 
been, especially if younger women are taken into account.
And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of "Catwoman". When i told her of this 
discussion, she laughed her head off. "That movie was horrible!" she said. like 
me, she doesn't think Berry is really that good of an actress, only seeming to 
convey any realism when she's on drugs or down-and-out. And to your point, I 
think that's the probem with her in themovie: she doesn't come close to 
conveying any of this subversive "girl power" you see in the flick.

- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:51:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  , Keith 
Johnson  wrote:
>
Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or even 
angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox.>>

Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule at 
the box office. 

(I suspect they are closet "Catwoman" fans);>

~rave!

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Keith Johnson]

Very, very good series. All three principals are talented actors. Lahti is 
great as always, and the actors who play her two sons are very impressive. They 
each have a presence, a serious about them that makes you believe they could be 
destined for greatness. The whole future flashback angle is good. I never 
watched "West Wing" (just never got on my schedule) but I imagine this has some 
of its quality, even though the takes are vastly different. 
You have to stick with the first few eps, and especially let those flashes of 
the future seep in, as they tell the story. So much lost potential. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:53:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 









They show that on Comcast on demand here. I always meant to check it out 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:37 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 









I like that show, but the one I really miss is "Jack and Bobby" the series 
about the two brothers in our time, one of whom will become President in the 
future. Starring Christine Lahti as their mother, it was a smart, interesting 
show, especially in how we'd get "flashbacks" from the President's staffers and 
friends in the future, and then be brought back to our time to see how he was 
being shaped. really good show with a really good premise that, alas, didn't 
catch on. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 5:28:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






No, you're not, Tracey. I cussed up a streak when they canceled it. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 13:57:04 -0700 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 









I loved her in that. I guess I was the only one 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Martin Baxter 
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 1:34 PM 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 





rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series 
"Commander in Chief". 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: ravena...@yahoo.com 
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then 
husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in 
back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and "The Long Kiss Goodnight"). "The 
Long Kiss Goodnight" is a great movie but both it and "Cutthroat" were box 
office bombs. 

~(no)rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote: 
> 
> You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not 
> what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they 
> strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they play. 
> 
> 
> 
> For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in 
> “the long kiss goodnight†� She was an assassin who had amnesia and became 
> a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a 
> mother/assassin protecting her own. 
> 
> 
> 
> I thought she was s col! But I’m not specifically 
> attracted to Gena Davis. 
> 
> 
> 
> Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in 
> Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s sexual 
> appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair and 
> make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit she wore 
> when she took down the all those guys with swords. 
> 
> 
> 
> I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned mother 
> characters. 
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I just 
> not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure there are tons 
> of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they would have been 
> drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They needed to let the 
> audience in on the satire 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Mr. Worf 
> S

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Keith Johnson]

No, but it's not a supernatural film, right? So it may be implausible, but not 
impossible. I just never like to watch films like that where the killer could 
exist in the real world. Like I said, not worried about the Wolfma living next 
door, but Henry Lee Lucas or Dahmer? It could happen... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:57:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 









The first Saw got rave reviews and Danny Glover. I was curious, good and 
disturbing. But over and over to me is just sadistic. Also more than once and 
many variations is not original. 



It been a long time, but I do not remember the first saw being about a crazed 
cannibalistic serial killer 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:39 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 









I can't do that kind of thing once. I can watch any manner of alien or 
supernatural movie, but anything that's based in reality--in terms of regular 
humans--I tend not to watch. I'm not too worried about Frankenstein's Monster 
or Dracula showing up on my doorstep. But a crazed, cannibalistic serial 
killer? Unlikey (one hopes) but not impossible. I like the fantasy line 
separating the impossible from the possible. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:12:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 







I liked the first saw, but I cannot do that kind of thing on a regular basis 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:55 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 








I don't do "torture porn" either. Just not my thing. I still believe that real 
horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that Hostel 
and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for me. 
I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one of 
his buddies. I forget the name--"The Cave"?--but it was about the usual group 
of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they contract some 
kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all but decay. It was 
actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what helped is that this 
was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was cut, but the gist of it 
was still there. It was a really good time waster for a cold, rainy Saturday 
afternoon. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent : Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. 
Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I 
didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. 

I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of "Torture porn." There 
isn't a better name for it at this point. 


On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 





Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like "Shawn of 
the Dead", "Twenty-Eight Days Later", and "Dog Soldiers" (the later is a movie 
about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically 
,and is pretty good). 




- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 








This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. 
I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 

I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them 
a long time ago. 


On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
wrote: 




Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty. 

As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
here are hoping for posted images. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22

RE: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem)

[Tracey de Morsella]

 I think Bridges of Madison County is when I started liking out.  Out of 
Africa, did nothing.  Her movies in the 80s and 90’s were all like that, 
controlled, Not any more.  What is the movie with William Hurt?  Did you see 
her in Doubt?

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:59 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box 
Office Problem)

 






I told Phyllis recently that Meryl Streep is a delight, and what a discovery 
for a black man to say that! I first was moved by her in the movie with Renee 
Zellweger and Wiliam Hurt where she played a seemingly clueless housewife to 
her serious, wannabe writer husband. Streep was the polar opposite of my 
opinion of her, which was as the near ice princess of all the period pieces and 
heavy dramas. I later saw her in "The Bridges of Madison County" and was 
impressed. What sealed it for me, though, was seeing her live. Streep won an 
awardfor acting in a miniseries--I think it was "Angels in America". When she 
took the stage, there was no sign of the controlled, posed woman of stuff like 
"Out of Africa". Instead, she was laughing raucously, and accepted the award by 
joking, "Sometimes I think I'm over rated--but not tonight!"

I've seen her in other interviews and she is an incredibly fun, lively person 
she just draws me in. And along with that, as she's aged, gained a bit of 
weight, and fallen away from those Merchant Ivory type films, she's expanded 
her roles, from "Prada" to that movie with Angela Bassett about teaching inner 
city kids the violin, to "Jules and Julia". 
Her range is astounding, her ability to move from comedy to camp to drama a 
rare thing that few actresses possesss.

Count this black man a fan of Meryl Streep.

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:24:41 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box 
Office Problem)

  

Actually, I mentioned that I liked her in her early comedies. I mean I was a 
fan. I liked her in executive decision. I'm probably the only one here who 
liked her as Jinx in Bond. I was hoping she would get the spin off. When I was 
modeling she was in a horrible sitcom called Living Dolls, it was about 
modeling and I loved her. For me, her strength is in comedies and action and 
adventure, but she wants to be a serious actress, so I guess she avoids them. 

I still like her, but now it is not really based on any work she has done. I 
said that I thought that she is not without talent, she has proven that, over 
and over, but I do not walk away moved. 

I wanted her as Catwoman, but the movie sucked. That is not her fault, but it 
does not do her any favors. I thought she was okay in Perfect Stranger, 
Gothika, and Swordfish, but nothing stands out. In her defense, none of those 
movies are stand out movies. I have not critiqued her talent, but as an early 
fan I have been underwhelmed lately. I need to see her in Things we lost in the 
Fire". I did not watch it when it came out because at the time, I really 
thought there was still a good chance I would die from my illness, so I only 
watched escapist movies. She is getting past the age, but I wish she had 
pursued more comedies and action flicks during her 20's and 30's. On the other 
hand had she done so, she might not be the most famous Black actress in 
Hollywood.

By the way, there is another famous actress, I used to have a similar response 
to who did some great serious work, but is white. Meryl Streep. Her early work 
was good. Her performances were flawless. She won Oscars, but for some reason 
she did not really evoke much emotion from me. Now,I love her. I loved her in 
Doubt and The Devil Wears Prada

Go figure

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com   
[mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  ] On 
Behalf Of Kelwyn
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 7:33 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  
Subject: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box 
Office Problem)

Halle Berry (Halle Berr) Halle Berry (Halle Berry)
she walk it like a model (yea) hands on ya knees (aye)
scrrrub da ground, she ain't nuttin but a tease
Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry
Halle Berr (Halle Berry) Halle Berry

~Hurricane Chris - "She's Fine (Halle Berry)"

I direct all Halle Berry haters to "Strictly Business" and "Bullworth." Her 
first film work as a crack ho in "Jungle Fever" is still among her best work. 
Her work in "Things we lost in the Fire" with David Duchovny and Benicio Del 
Toro (who should have been nominated) is highly underrated.

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Tracey de Morsella]

I understand.  

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 9:03 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

 






No, but it's not a supernatural film, right? So it may be implausible, but not 
impossible. I just never like to watch films like that where the killer could 
exist in the real world. Like I said, not worried about the Wolfma living next 
door, but Henry Lee Lucas or Dahmer? It could happen...

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 11:57:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

The first Saw got rave reviews and Danny Glover.  I was curious, good and 
disturbing.  But over and over to me is just sadistic. Also more than once and 
many variations is not original.

 

It been a long time, but I do not remember the first saw being about a crazed 
cannibalistic serial killer

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:39 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

 





I can't do that kind of thing once. I can watch any manner of alien or 
supernatural movie, but anything that's based in reality--in terms of regular 
humans--I tend not to watch. I'm not too worried about Frankenstein's Monster 
or Dracula showing up on my doorstep. But a crazed, cannibalistic serial 
killer? Unlikey (one hopes) but not impossible. I like the fantasy line 
separating the impossible from the possible.

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 7:12:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

I liked the first saw, but I cannot do that kind of thing on a regular basis

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 3:55 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

 

 

I don't do "torture porn" either. Just not my thing. I still believe that real 
horror is based on genuine suspense, not the payoff. Though I hear that Hostel 
and the first Saw are actually pretty suspenseful, it's too much for me.
I did watch a flick a few months ago that I think was from Eli Roth, or one of 
his buddies. I forget the name--"The Cave"?--but it was about the usual group 
of idiot young people who stumble into the backwoods. There, they contract some 
kind of flesh eating disease that starts causing them to all but decay. It was 
actually silly fun ,and I laughed quite a bit. I think what helped is that this 
was shown on SyFy, so much of the gratuitous gore was cut, but the gist of it 
was still there. It was a really good time waster for a cold, rainy Saturday 
afternoon.

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent : Wednesday, October 7, 2009 12:17:20 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the dead. 
Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog Soldiers. I 
didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel. 

I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of "Torture porn." There 
isn't a better name for it at this point. 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson  wrote:

 

Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like "Shawn of 
the Dead", "Twenty-Eight Days Later", and "Dog Soldiers" (the later is a movie 
about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy periodically 
,and is pretty good).



- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% of 
women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act on it. 
I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 

I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in them 
a long time ago. 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:



Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty.

As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the gents 
here are hoping for posted images.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem - Last thought from me

[Keith Johnson]

First off, let me say I've enjoyed this discussion. you always make good 
points, express interesting views, even when I disagree with them. Your 
observations, reviews, and essays have made me consciously try to step up my 
game as a writer, reviewer, and critic. So, apologies if I'm off, but the way 
you've dismissed every actress several of us have offered up makes it seem as 
if Fox is doing something revolutionary, and she ain't. 

I note this is the second or third discussion recently in which you've said 
that I'm "ignoring something" that I don't agree with you on, as if I'm trying 
to put my head in the sand and hide from some fact of life. That's not the 
case. I'm not trying to hide from some great universal truth you're expounding, 
I just don't agree with your examples. 
i concede there is a whole discussion to be had about how h'Wood presents 
women, and how society at large want to view their actresses. No one is harder 
on a woman than another woman threatened by/jealous of her. And I agree that 
raw, open sexuality isn't something Americans know how to handle, Thus, we have 
movies full of amazingly graphic violence that get "R" ratings and to which 
parents take their kids, while we freak out and give "NC-17" to films dealing 
frankly with sexuality, fearing they'll turn our kids into degenerates. 

So yeah, there's a discussion to be had about a dominatrix-looking heroine, and 
whether America can handle it. There's a discussion to be had about whether 
women don't want to see a actress oozing "raw sex". I just don't think your two 
examples meet those standards. "Catwoman" is a horrible flick, and Berry wasn't 
a good choice for it at any rate. She just doesn't have that raw sexuality in 
my opinion, and isn't that deep an actress--at least, not enough to pull off 
Pitof's failure. Fox looks like a doll to me who never moves. Her range of 
expressions has been limited, and every review I read of "Jennifer's Body" said 
it was a movie with good intentions but bad execution. I think that in both 
cases--Fox and Berry--you're using bad proofs to support your theory. Neither 
woman to my mind is all that primal and sexual, neither has really blown me 
away with their acting. I think the lack of support for those movies of theirs 
is simply based on teh fact that--they're bad movies with actresses who may not 
be that skilled. 

okay, enough! i'm done with this one. Thanks for introducing the topic! 


- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:58:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






I am fascinated by how you have (twice) interjected the notion that both the 
source article and I have suggested that Miss Fox was the first "actress in 
history who's superficially beautiful, possesses innate sexuality, and is 
confident and independent." This is clearly not the case and cannot be divined 
from any of my posts. And let me reiterate again that outside of "One Million 
Years BC," Raquel Welch was box office poison. 

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> Man I had to read this thrice to get it! 
> I don't see how a woman can have "sexual power" without being "sexy". But 
> let's skip that for a moment. I agree beauty and sexual appeal don't always 
> go hand in hand. Like I said, Halle Berry is on the surface prettier than 
> Rosario Dawson (my opinion), but Dawson can be way more appealing and 
> sexually attractive. 
> 
> But I think we just disagree. Fox is pretty as hell, but Racquel Welch in her 
> prime puts the girl to shame. The article and you act as if Fox is the first 
> actress in history who's superficially beautiful, possesses innate sexuality, 
> and is confident and independent, and that turns off women. I think that's 
> giving Fox way too much credit, dismissing many actresses who have the whole 
> package in spades--and i can think of many besides whom Fox pales--and 
> lending some kind of weight to the failure of a film that by all accounts 
> simply isn't that good. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelwyn"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 11:02:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> I'm not getting how Fox has a sexuality that's beyond what Pam Grier or 
> Racquel Welch or Michele Pfeiffer or Liz Taylor had, so that said sexuality 
> is turning women off from her.> 
> > 
> Beauty and sexual power are not synonymous. Whoppi Goldberg has sexual power 
> (ask Ted Danson and Frank Langella) but she is not sexy or beautiful. Eartha 
> Kitt exuded sexual power but while sexy, she was not beautiful. The most 
> famous femme fatale of all time, Mata Hari, was known more for her sensuality 
> and eroticism rather tha

[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Kelwyn]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
> 
> And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of "Catwoman". When i told her of this 
> discussion, she laughed her head off. "That movie was horrible!" she said.>> 

Well, Keith, if she admitted it she wouldn't be a "closet" fan.  She'd be out 
here in the open with the rest of us "Cat" lovers.

~rave!

Re: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem)

[Keith Johnson]

The movie is "One True Thing". Hurt plays a college writing professor who tries 
very hard to be an intellectual. Zellwegger is his daughter, who's trying to be 
a writer, and always looks to her father for approval that he never fully 
gives. He continually critiques her work with an air of superiourity--an odd 
fact given that, despite his tenure, he never became a famous writer himself. 
Connecting these two would-be intellectuals is Streep, who's the polar 
opposite. She's the wife who makes scrapbooks, who insists on dressing up for 
Halloween even if she's staying home. She's the one who wears country-looking 
aprons and bakes brownies while her husband tries to look and act like Plato. 
Her Edith Bunker like behaviour seems to be a complete mismatch to her 
husband's erudition. Her daughter is irritated and at times repulsed by her 
mother's behaviour, which she sees as silly, vacuous, and a bit demeaning in 
how she caters to her father. She sees her dead as an icon to be sought after, 
but her mom as a silly person who needs to get a clue. All that changes when 
Streep's character becomes deathly ill, and the tragedy makes everyone 
reevaluate the meaning of "strength". 

It's a movie built on a sad story, but with good performances that make you 
think. It's not a feel good movie, but also not a tear jerker; at least, not 
totally. At the end, I was sad, but really liked the lesson learned. 

I can understand not wanting to deal with that subject matter in any way 
though. For years as a younger man, I was befuddled by older relatives who 
couldn't watch sad movies in which people died, had terminal illnesses, spent 
all their time in the hospital, etc. I remember once thinking my mom was being 
a bit weak when she asked me to turn the TV away from "ER". I didn't get my 
older brother refusing to watch "Deep Impact" because I told him it was good 
movie with some really sad moments. Then, starting in 2001 and continuing for 
about six years, I lost my father, my mother, two aunts, and two uncles. Four 
of the deaths--including my father's--took place in a three month span of time 
following 9-11. During that same time, we lost Phyllis' mother, two of Phyllis' 
brothers, both her aunts, three of her favorite cousins. My sister's young son 
(age 8) got throat cancer and needed his larynx removed, then, last year, that 
sister was diagnosed with cancer, which was successfully treated, though it now 
seems to be back. During that same time, i developed a bunch of issues which 
necessitated scans and such. 

After all that, i'm a bit more sensitive. I tear up more quickly at hospital 
shows, and am more hesitant to watch really sad movies at certain times. i was 
freely crying at the opening of "Up", as the story unfolding brought memories 
and stirred up fears. I find myself planning more when watching a sad movie, 
whereas in the past I'd just plop down and watch it.Even goofy soap opera 
hosptial scenes are harder for me to watch now. 



- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:04:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box 
Office Problem) 









I think Bridges of Madison County is when I started liking out. Out of Africa, 
did nothing. Her movies in the 80s and 90’s were all like that, controlled, Not 
any more. What is the movie with William Hurt? Did you see her in Doubt? 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:59 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Halle Berry (Halle Berry) (was: Megan Fox's Scary Box 
Office Problem) 









I told Phyllis recently that Meryl Streep is a delight, and what a discovery 
for a black man to say that! I first was moved by her in the movie with Renee 
Zellweger and Wiliam Hurt where she played a seemingly clueless housewife to 
her serious, wannabe writer husband. Streep was the polar opposite of my 
opinion of her, which was as the near ice princess of all the period pieces and 
heavy dramas. I later saw her in "The Bridges of Madison County" and was 
impressed. What sealed it for me, though, was seeing her live. Streep won an 
awardfor acting in a miniseries--I think it was "Angels in America". When she 
took the stage, there was no sign of the controlled, posed woman of stuff like 
"Out of Africa". Instead, she was laughing raucously, and accepted the award by 
joking, "Sometimes I think I'm over rated--but not tonight!" 

I've seen her in other interviews and she is an incredibly fun, lively person 
she just draws me in. And along with that, as she's aged, gained a bit of 
weight, and fallen away from those Merchant Ivory type films, she's expanded 
her roles, from "Prada" to that movie with Angela Bassett about teaching inner 
city kids the violin, to "Jules and Julia". 
Her 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Keith Johnson]

Ha, trust me, my wife doesn't hide her opinions. In fact she was the one who 
asked me to rent "Catwoman" because of the things I've said. She *wanted* to 
like the film. She wanted to support Berry having fun with the role. She 
thought it'd be a fun romp in which we could laugh at the goofy/sexualized 
portrayal. My wife loves to cheer for actresses who "do their thing", 
especially Black ones. But it was so bad she just shook her head... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:15:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of "Catwoman". When i told her of this 
> discussion, she laughed her head off. "That movie was horrible!" she said.>> 

Well, Keith, if she admitted it she wouldn't be a "closet" fan. She'd be out 
here in the open with the rest of us "Cat" lovers. 

~rave! 

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Tracey de Morsella]

You are bringing back memories and making me cry.  I lived in Mexico at the 
time, but had visited for two weeks during the premier.  I thought it was a hit 
when I left.  What did ABC do to take it down?

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:50 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

 






I was delighted to see Kyle Secor--Bayliss from the fantastic series 
"Homicide"--in the role as Davis' husband. 
Another underrated, underused actor...

- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:44:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

  

I loved "Commander in Chief." I also think it is criminal how ABC mishandled it 
- firing the creator and original producer - and let it die. Harry Lennix was 
excellent as her chief of staff.

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  , 
Martin Baxter  wrote:
>
> 
> rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series 
> "Commander in Chief".
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  
> From: ravena...@...
> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 +
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
> 
> 
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> 
> Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then 
> husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in 
> back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and "The Long Kiss Goodnight"). "The 
> Long Kiss Goodnight" is a great movie but both it and "Cutthroat" were box 
> office bombs.
> 
> 
> 
> ~(no)rave!
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  , 
> "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not 
> > what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they 
> > strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they 
> > play. 
> 
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> 
> > For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in 
> > â€Å"the long kiss goodnight� She was an assassin who had amnesia 
> > and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a 
> > mother/assassin protecting her own.
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> > 
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> > I thought she was s col! But I’m not 
> > specifically attracted to Gena Davis.
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> 
> > Another example of a kick ass broad character I just Love is the Bride in 
> > Kill Bill, but again, its not specifically about Uma Thurman’s 
> > sexual appeal, I do not think she is aging that well or that do a bad hair 
> > and make-up job on her, but I would love to have that crazy eight outfit 
> > she wore when she took down the all those guys with swords. 
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> > 
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> > I see a trend, I think I love kiss Ass Broad Assasin’s/ turned 
> > mother characters. 
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> > 
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> > Anyway, I’m not discounting the sexual interest theory you raised, I 
> > just not referring specifically to it. That being said, I’m sure 
> > there are tons of women attracted to Megan Fox, but I seriously doubt they 
> > would have been drawn to her in those promos that made her ugly. They 
> > needed to let the audience in on the satire
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com   
> > [mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  ] 
> > On Behalf Of Mr. Worf
> 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:33 PM
> 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  
> 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
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> > 
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> > This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45% 
> > of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act 
> > on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in 
> > them a long time ago. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter  wrote:
> 
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
> 
> > Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious 
> > attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty.
> 
> > 
> 
> > As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the 
> > gents here are hoping for posted images.
> 
> > 
> 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the p

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Keith Johnson]

If I remember correctly, the ratings came out really high, then they fell off. 
I think this was one of those shows where only a few shows were ordered up 
front, which didn't help. I believe it was pre-empted and moved a couple of 
times, which didn't help. And, i believe the new trend of micro-analyzing 
viewer numbers hurt it. 
Remember the days when new series got a whole *season* to succeed or fail? When 
a show got 26 or 28 eps in a season, instead of maybe 4 - 6 as a trial run? 
When ratings where averaged for an entire season, not broken down into this new 
method where a show's rating's from the first to second half of one airing are 
measured?! 
That's what killed this show. Yeah, the ratings dipped, but with some 
committment it could have found its legs. About 19 total eps were aired, but 
once the ratings dipped, the network was obviously skittish about it. We've 
discussed this time and time again, but think of all the great shows that we'd 
never have had if networks had cancelled them after bad ratings in the first 
few weeks. 

As an aside, I wonder if the show would do better now, just a few years later? 
I note that Davis' character only became President because she was the Veep and 
rose to office after the (male) President died. I seem to remember some of the 
politicians--men--expecting her to step down. As late as 2005, it was seen as a 
long shot that a woman could ascend to the White House just by being elected, 
or garner respect if she did. Then came Hillary, Obama, and Palin. Now, the 
thought of a woman or a person of color in the White House isn't a fantasy (I 
contend, despite the way some women lost their minds in rage at Obama defeating 
Clinton, that his success opens the doors for women as well as men of color, 
and I don't know if the reverse would have been true). 
Now we're in a new world, a world where not only can we seriously consider a 
female President, but some actually consider giving it to a dangerous, idiotic 
waste like Palin. That's progress, I guess, but I think now the show would do a 
bit better. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:42:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 









You are bringing back memories and making me cry. I lived in Mexico at the 
time, but had visited for two weeks during the premier. I thought it was a hit 
when I left. What did ABC do to take it down? 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:50 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 









I was delighted to see Kyle Secor--Bayliss from the fantastic series 
"Homicide"--in the role as Davis' husband. 
Another underrated, underused actor... 

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:44:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 






I loved "Commander in Chief." I also think it is criminal how ABC mishandled it 
- firing the creator and original producer - and let it die. Harry Lennix was 
excellent as her chief of staff. 

~(no)rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> 
> 
> rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series 
> "Commander in Chief". 
> 
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
> hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> From: ravena...@... 
> Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her then 
> husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in 
> back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and "The Long Kiss Goodnight"). "The 
> Long Kiss Goodnight" is a great movie but both it and "Cutthroat" were box 
> office bombs. 
> 
> 
> 
> ~(no)rave! 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Tracey de Morsella"  wrote: 
> 
> > 
> 
> > You misread my statement. While I do not discount those stats, that was not 
> > what I was talking about. Women see famous beautiful women as people they 
> > strive to look like and often they seek to act like the characters they 
> > play. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > For example, when I was younger, I saw Gena Davis with Samuel Jackson in 
> > â€Å"the long kiss goodnight� She was an assassin who had amnesia 
> > and became a wife, mother and school teacher. She hit her head and became a 
> > mother/assassin protecting her own. 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I thought she 

[scifinoir2] OT: From the "WTF?!" News

[Keith Johnson]

And those idiotic, bigoted rubes had the nerve to cast aspersion on the 
Obamas??!!! Lord, can you imagine the things that'd have been said if one of 
Obama's daughters had been old enough to get pregnant by a ne'er do well like 
this? You know damn well that, had said daugher's boyfriend gone and done 
something like this, the Limbaughs and Becks would have somehow blamed it on 
Obama's failings as a leader and moral example. 
I'm not knocking simple, trailer folk: I went to school with a lot of them. But 
at least they weren't trying to run the country and calling anyone not like 
them "un-American". The whole gang is common. Hell, compared to the Palin 
circle of family and friends, the Real Housewives of Atlanta are "elite"! 

* 


Father of Palin's grandson to pose for Playgirl 


By RACHEL D'ORO 


The Associated Press 


• 


ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Levi Johnston is going for the ultimate exposure — his bare 
body. 


Enlarge photo 
FILE - In this July 9, 2009 file photo, Levi Johnston, 19, is seen during a 
news conference in Anchorage, Alaska. Johnston, the former fiance of former 
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's 18-year-old daughter, Bristol Palin will pose for 
Playgirl. Johnston's attorney, Rex Butler, says a formal agreement has not been 
reached with the online magazine but adds it's a "foregone conclusion"it will 
happen. (AP Photo/Mark Thiessen, file)FILE - In this July 9, 2009 file photo, 
Levi Johnston, 19, is seen during a news conference in Anchorage, Alaska. 
Johnston, the former fiance of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's 18-year-old 
daughter, Bristol Palin will pose for Playgirl. Johnston's attorney, Rex 
Butler, says a formal agreement has not been reached with the online magazine 
but adds it's a "foregone conclusion"it will happen. (AP Photo/Mark Thiessen, 
file) 



Posing nude for Playgirl is next for the 19-year-old father of Sarah Palin's 
grandchild. Johnston's attorney, Rex Butler, said Wednesday that a formal 
agreement has not been reached with the online magazine but adds it's a 
"foregone conclusion" it will happen. 



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Palin, the former Republican vice presidential candidate and former Alaska 
governor. 

To get ready for his close-up, Johnston is training three hours a day, six 
nights a week at an Anchorage gym with a local body builder, Marvin Jones, a 
former Mr. Alaska competitor. 

Playgirl spokesman Vincent Stevens could not immediately be reached for 
comment. 

[scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Kelwyn]

Add to what Keith said the fact that the show's creator, Rob Lurie, was 
dethroned as Executive Producer (allegedly because he was overwhelmed as a 
"rookie" show runner and having trouble delivering shows on time - even though 
Lurie had run shows before) and replaced by Steven Bochco - who proceeded to 
Bochco up the show - which is exactly what ABC wanted but the last thing fans 
of the show wanted.

~(no)rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> If I remember correctly, the ratings came out really high, then they fell 
> off. I think this was one of those shows where only a few shows were ordered 
> up front, which didn't help. I believe it was pre-empted and moved a couple 
> of times, which didn't help. And, i believe the new trend of micro-analyzing 
> viewer numbers hurt it. 
> Remember the days when new series got a whole *season* to succeed or fail? 
> When a show got 26 or 28 eps in a season, instead of maybe 4 - 6 as a trial 
> run? When ratings where averaged for an entire season, not broken down into 
> this new method where a show's rating's from the first to second half of one 
> airing are measured?! 
> That's what killed this show. Yeah, the ratings dipped, but with some 
> committment it could have found its legs. About 19 total eps were aired, but 
> once the ratings dipped, the network was obviously skittish about it. We've 
> discussed this time and time again, but think of all the great shows that 
> we'd never have had if networks had cancelled them after bad ratings in the 
> first few weeks. 
> 
> As an aside, I wonder if the show would do better now, just a few years 
> later? I note that Davis' character only became President because she was the 
> Veep and rose to office after the (male) President died. I seem to remember 
> some of the politicians--men--expecting her to step down. As late as 2005, it 
> was seen as a long shot that a woman could ascend to the White House just by 
> being elected, or garner respect if she did. Then came Hillary, Obama, and 
> Palin. Now, the thought of a woman or a person of color in the White House 
> isn't a fantasy (I contend, despite the way some women lost their minds in 
> rage at Obama defeating Clinton, that his success opens the doors for women 
> as well as men of color, and I don't know if the reverse would have been 
> true). 
> Now we're in a new world, a world where not only can we seriously consider a 
> female President, but some actually consider giving it to a dangerous, 
> idiotic waste like Palin. That's progress, I guess, but I think now the show 
> would do a bit better. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:42:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You are bringing back memories and making me cry. I lived in Mexico at the 
> time, but had visited for two weeks during the premier. I thought it was a 
> hit when I left. What did ABC do to take it down? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:50 PM 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I was delighted to see Kyle Secor--Bayliss from the fantastic series 
> "Homicide"--in the role as Davis' husband. 
> Another underrated, underused actor... 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelwyn"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:44:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I loved "Commander in Chief." I also think it is criminal how ABC mishandled 
> it - firing the creator and original producer - and let it die. Harry Lennix 
> was excellent as her chief of staff. 
> 
> ~(no)rave! 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series 
> > "Commander in Chief". 
> > 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > From: ravenadal@ 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:05:33 + 
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thank you for the Gena Davis. Ms. Davis is strong and beautiful and her 
> > then husband, Renny Harlin, sought to showcase her as a kick-ass heroine in 
> > back-to-back movies: "Cutthroat Island" and "The Long Kiss Goodnight"). 
> > "The Long Kiss Goodnight" is a great movie but both it and "Cutthr

Re: [scifinoir2] This week on House

[L Freeman]

I could not think of a circumstance where I would say yes. I would want to, but 
rather than ending life, I would try to limit damage by warning people, getting 
as many out of the way as possible, or trying to change the dictator if 
possible. 

It's not nobility of character that makes me not want to kill the person. I am 
simply afraid of making things worse. We always assume that the world would 
have been a better place if not for... (you fill in the evil dictator). What if 
that is not the case?  What if their level of evil prevented something even 
more catastrophic/devastating from taking place in the future. 

I simply don't believe I have the wisdom to mettle in the affairs meant to be 
decided only by the Divine. 

--- On Wed, 10/7/09, Mr. Worf  wrote:

From: Mr. Worf 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] This week on House
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 7:31 PM






 





  Let's make it a little easier to make the decision. What if 
it was Pol Pot, Hitler, Idi Amin or Bin Ladin? 

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Such issues are sadly absent from TV these days, Mr Worf. And, to answer, I 
don't think I could. I'm racking my brain right now, to find a scenario that 
would allow me to say yes, and nothing comes up. If anything, I get a few that 
let me finish the job that the ailment started.


"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:58:33 -0700

Subject: [scifinoir2] This week on House















 





  James Earl Jones was the guest star this week as an evil 
African dictator with a mystery ailment. The show brought up an interesting 
moral dilemma. Would you save a man that has killed and brutalized thousands, 
and could possibly go on and kill thousands of people in the future? Moral 
questions seem to be missing greatly from tv as of late. They are always topic 
for a show. What do you think?



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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Mr. Worf]

One version I saw of Incubus is about a woman who is haunted by her abusive
ex-husband's ghost. He cuts her body repeatedly, throws her across the room,
and rapes her. It is loosely based on a true story.

There are 9 different movies with that title.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> You're right on about "Dog Soldiers". I first saw it late night one
> Saturday, and was pleased. It didn't
> scare me even though I was watching alone in the dark, yet it did hold my
> interest. Never saw "The Incubus". Aside from the obvious, what's it about?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Martin Baxter" 
> To: "SciFiNoir2" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 4:47:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
>
>
>
> Mr Worf, IMO, pick up "Dog Soldiers". It's not brilliant, incisive
> movie-making by any stretch. Just fun. Didn't scare me a lick, but I did get
> a kick out of it that horror movies haven't given me for -- well, forever,
> since "Psycho". No, I take that back. "The Incubus" did make me jump, when I
> first saw it (because the evil only attacked women -- even young, it still
> rankled).
>
> And something made me IMDb the movie, to learn that (surprise surprise!)
> H'Wood is sorta remaking it.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 21:17:20 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
>
>I get frustrated with the character's actions. I liked Shawn of the
> dead. Twenty eight days later was just ok to me. I haven't seen Dog
> Soldiers. I didn't make it all the way through Saw 1 or Hostel.
>
> I think Saw and Hostel falls into that new category of "Torture porn."
> There isn't a better name for it at this point.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Why don't you like horror movies? Does that include newer stuff like "Shawn
> of the Dead", "Twenty-Eight Days Later", and "Dog Soldiers" (the later is a
> movie about British soldiers besieged by werewolves. Shows up on SyFy
> periodically ,and is pretty good).
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 7:33:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
>
>
>  This is starting to sound like a post on the Kinsey surveys. :) About 45%
> of women say that they are attracted to other women but only about 25% act
> on it. I would suspect that it is the same for men too.
>
> I have several female friends that love horror movies. I lost interest in
> them a long time ago.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Martin Baxter 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Tracey, I agree with you. Many of the women I know have expressed serious
> attractions toward women they consider to be the epitome of beauty.
>
> As for your wordrobe, no one's laughing. I'll wager that several of the
> gents here are hoping for posted images.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 22:38:38 -0700
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
>
>What about Ann Margaret, Ava Gardner, Marilyn Monroe, Angelina Jolie (
> before the Anorexia), J-Lo, the blond from Grey's Anatomy, Katherine Heigl,
> Sophia Loren, Scarlett Johansson, Natalie Portman, Jessica Biel
>
> All of them have been in hits I believe and are considered sexy
>
> Are you saying women reject sexy women. I think we seek to be them. I do
> not think the jealousy factor is at work here. I used to love movies with
> Hot Kick Ass Broads because I wanted to be one. I was taking notes, I was
> buying bustiers, leathers skirts and thigh high boots. (back in the day,
> those things were in okay, so stop laughing.
>
> I will probably check out Jennifer's Body on DVD, but my sense is it was
> poorly marketed. Fox has some image problems than include she is nothing
> but a body and then she star's in a movie called Jennifer's body in which
> the previews do not reveal that it is a comedy. Some decided to sell in the
> previews a pure slasher horror. If I had not read the reviews, I would have
> thought that she decided to play up that she is nothing but a body.
> Regarding young guys.. none of the previews showed her looking appealing,
> but instead as an exaggerated terrifying her that looked like she might
> bite off a guys important part. I knew someone who edited a forum/penthouse
> letters publication once, and stuf

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Mr. Worf]

I agree. I think that she never created a sense of play with her acting to
branch out and try different types of characters or people. Just sort of the
same types of people over and over again. Its like listening to the same
song over and over again being sung by different people.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> I think Berry isn't a good actress, but an average one. She only seems able
> to be convincing when she plays extremes: a drug addict, a down-and-out
> woman who ends up having sex with a bigot, a BAP. But when she's called upon
> to do nuance or subtlety, she just seems to be trying. You can all but see
> her lips moving as she recites her lines before speaking them. I think she's
> too aware of being on screen. Phyllis and I saw her in that supposed sexy
> thriller last year (the name escapes me but Giovanni Ribisi and Bruce Willis
> were her co-stars).  We just never bought her in the role. It wasn't just
> that it was a silly movie, Berry just didn't hold our attention, and when
> she was called upon to act angry or something, we actually laughed. Only
> when her character displayed some...weird traits...did she stop appearing to
> be acting. Ted Danson once said "Acting is the art of pretending to be
> someone else while pretending you're not pretending".
>
> I don't think Berry's too good at that pretending. She seems to be too
> nervous, too self-conscious. It's as if she's always on stage, always trying
> to convey an image, trying to gauge what people think about her, instead of
> just being natural. It's hard for me to describe too, but there's a lack of
> a sense of self, a lack of self-composure. I've felt that every time I've
> seen her in interviews, and it translates to her acting.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 8:33:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
>
>
>
>  The movie, is horrible, but I love Catwoman.  It’s not something I watch
> over and over.  I have seen long kiss goodnight, strange days, kill bill 2
> and Batman II with Michele Pfieffer numerous times over the years.
>
>
>
> I still liked her tacky costume though
>
>
>
> Regarding Berry, I liked her in those comedies she did when she was young.
> I don’t hate her, I think she is pretty, I admire her accomplishments, but
> it does not translate to any of the films I see her in.  She was okay in
> swordfish fish, but the best part of her character did not come out until
> the last 10 minutes of the movie. Gothika was okay, but I could take it or
> leave it.   Catwoman was so poorly produced that I cannot blame her.
> Everybody looked bad in that.   But to me she is almost like an affirmative
> action hire.  If they want a black woman with box office pull  (?), they go
> to her.  I do not think she is without talent, but there is a lack of
> charisma.  I cannot put my fingers on it, because I liked her back in the
> day
>
>
>
> *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Keith Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 07, 2009 5:01 PM
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  i don't think they're exceptions, at least, in terms of what your premise
> has been, especially if younger women are taken into account.
> And no, my wife isn't a closet fan of "Catwoman". When i told her of this
> discussion, she laughed her head off. "That movie was horrible!" she said.
> like me, she doesn't think Berry is really that good of an actress, only
> seeming to convey any realism when she's on drugs or down-and-out. And to
> your point, I think that's the probem with her in themovie: she doesn't come
> close to conveying any of this subversive "girl power" you see in the flick.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelwyn" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 10:51:09 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
>
>
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith
> Johnson  wrote:
> >
> Women like Tracey and my wife, rather than being jealous, intimidated, or
> even angered by her, are simply not moved to see Fox.>>
>
> Tracey and your wife are exceptions (that is a compliment) and not the rule
> at the box office.
>
> (I suspect they are closet "Catwoman" fans);>
>
> ~rave!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] This week on House

[Mr. Worf]

Yea, I understand. There was a moment like that during the show. I won't say
who for the folks that haven't watched it yet. Mr.Jones grabbed the doctor's
arm and begged to have an air bubble put into his IV. That could have ended
it right there. Most people wouldn't be able to "pull the trigger" so to
speak, because I think that they are not emotionally vested enough to take
that step. (that's not counting people with psychological issues)

I wonder how many people would be pro-death penalty if the victim's family
had to press the button that did the killing?

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:27 PM, L Freeman  wrote:

>
>
> I could not think of a circumstance where I would say yes. I would want to,
> but rather than ending life, I would try to limit damage by warning people,
> getting as many out of the way as possible, or trying to change the dictator
> if possible.
>
> It's not nobility of character that makes me not want to kill the person. I
> am simply afraid of making things worse. We always assume that the world
> would have been a better place if not for... (you fill in the evil
> dictator). What if that is not the case?  What if their level of evil
> prevented something even more catastrophic/devastating from taking place in
> the future.
>
> I simply don't believe I have the wisdom to mettle in the affairs meant to
> be decided only by the Divine.
>
> --- On *Wed, 10/7/09, Mr. Worf * wrote:
>
>
> From: Mr. Worf 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] This week on House
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 7, 2009, 7:31 PM
>
>
>
> Let's make it a little easier to make the decision. What if it was Pol Pot,
> Hitler, Idi Amin or Bin Ladin?
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Martin Baxter  hotmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Such issues are sadly absent from TV these days, Mr Worf. And, to answer,
>> I don't think I could. I'm racking my brain right now, to find a scenario
>> that would allow me to say yes, and nothing comes up. If anything, I get a
>> few that let me finish the job that the ailment started.
>>
>> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
>> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>>
>> http://www.youtube. com/watch? 
>> v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> To: scifino...@yahoogro 
>> ups.com
>> From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
>> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 19:58:33 -0700
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] This week on House
>>
>>James Earl Jones was the guest star this week as an evil African
>> dictator with a mystery ailment. The show brought up an interesting moral
>> dilemma. Would you save a man that has killed and brutalized thousands, and
>> could possibly go on and kill thousands of people in the future? Moral
>> questions seem to be missing greatly from tv as of late. They are always
>> topic for a show. What do you think?
>>
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>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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>
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>
> 
>



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[scifinoir2] White Dog

[George Arterberry]

Has anyone seen this recently?



  

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Tracey de Morsella]

You are right.  I have had enough of Bochco.  It's not that he is bad, but it 
is the same thing over and over with a new setting and characters. I cannot 
even bring myself to watch his TNT legal show even though it has a great cast.

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Kelwyn
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:10 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

Add to what Keith said the fact that the show's creator, Rob Lurie, was 
dethroned as Executive Producer (allegedly because he was overwhelmed as a 
"rookie" show runner and having trouble delivering shows on time - even though 
Lurie had run shows before) and replaced by Steven Bochco - who proceeded to 
Bochco up the show - which is exactly what ABC wanted but the last thing fans 
of the show wanted.

~(no)rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> If I remember correctly, the ratings came out really high, then they fell 
> off. I think this was one of those shows where only a few shows were ordered 
> up front, which didn't help. I believe it was pre-empted and moved a couple 
> of times, which didn't help. And, i believe the new trend of micro-analyzing 
> viewer numbers hurt it. 
> Remember the days when new series got a whole *season* to succeed or fail? 
> When a show got 26 or 28 eps in a season, instead of maybe 4 - 6 as a trial 
> run? When ratings where averaged for an entire season, not broken down into 
> this new method where a show's rating's from the first to second half of one 
> airing are measured?! 
> That's what killed this show. Yeah, the ratings dipped, but with some 
> committment it could have found its legs. About 19 total eps were aired, but 
> once the ratings dipped, the network was obviously skittish about it. We've 
> discussed this time and time again, but think of all the great shows that 
> we'd never have had if networks had cancelled them after bad ratings in the 
> first few weeks. 
> 
> As an aside, I wonder if the show would do better now, just a few years 
> later? I note that Davis' character only became President because she was the 
> Veep and rose to office after the (male) President died. I seem to remember 
> some of the politicians--men--expecting her to step down. As late as 2005, it 
> was seen as a long shot that a woman could ascend to the White House just by 
> being elected, or garner respect if she did. Then came Hillary, Obama, and 
> Palin. Now, the thought of a woman or a person of color in the White House 
> isn't a fantasy (I contend, despite the way some women lost their minds in 
> rage at Obama defeating Clinton, that his success opens the doors for women 
> as well as men of color, and I don't know if the reverse would have been 
> true). 
> Now we're in a new world, a world where not only can we seriously consider a 
> female President, but some actually consider giving it to a dangerous, 
> idiotic waste like Palin. That's progress, I guess, but I think now the show 
> would do a bit better. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2009 12:42:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> You are bringing back memories and making me cry. I lived in Mexico at the 
> time, but had visited for two weeks during the premier. I thought it was a 
> hit when I left. What did ABC do to take it down? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 8:50 PM 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I was delighted to see Kyle Secor--Bayliss from the fantastic series 
> "Homicide"--in the role as Davis' husband. 
> Another underrated, underused actor... 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelwyn"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2009 9:44:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I loved "Commander in Chief." I also think it is criminal how ABC mishandled 
> it - firing the creator and original producer - and let it die. Harry Lennix 
> was excellent as her chief of staff. 
> 
> ~(no)rave! 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter  wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > rave, don't forget that Geena played a female President in the brief series 
> > "Commander in Chief". 
> > 
> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
> > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > From: ravenadal@ 
> > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 15:

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem

[Mr. Worf]

I guess that you can say that we suffer from the success of others. He
created the whole modern cop show feel. So we see his style no matter what
show we look at.

Did anyone see the scifi cop show he did? It was called NYPD 2069.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0341174/

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Tracey de Morsella <
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> wrote:

> You are right.  I have had enough of Bochco.  It's not that he is bad, but
> it is the same thing over and over with a new setting and characters. I
> cannot even bring myself to watch his TNT legal show even though it has a
> great cast.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Kelwyn
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:10 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Megan Fox's Scary Box Office Problem
>
> Add to what Keith said the fact that the show's creator, Rob Lurie, was
> dethroned as Executive Producer (allegedly because he was overwhelmed as a
> "rookie" show runner and having trouble delivering shows on time - even
> though Lurie had run shows before) and replaced by Steven Bochco - who
> proceeded to Bochco up the show - which is exactly what ABC wanted but the
> last thing fans of the show wanted.
>
> ~(no)rave!
>
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Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/