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http://listverse.com/2008/03/14/top-10-evil-human-experiments/Top 10 Evil
Human Experiments

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*[WARNING] This list contains descriptions and images of human
experimentation which may cause offense to some readers.]* Human
experimentation and research ethics evolved over time. On occasion, the
subjects of human experimentation have been prisoners, slaves, or even
family members.
In some notable cases, doctors have performed experiments on
themselves when they have been unwilling to risk the lives of others. This
is known as self-experimentation. This is a list of the 10 most evil and
unethical experiments carried out on humans.
10
Stanford Prison Experiment

[image: Stanford Prison]

The Stanford prison experiment was a
psychologicalstudy
of human responses to captivity and its behavioral effects on both
authorities and inmates in prison. The experiment was conducted in 1971 by a
team of researchers led by psychologist Philip Zimbardo at Stanford
University. Undergraduate volunteers played the roles of both guards and
prisoners living in a mock prison in the basement of the Stanford psychology
building.

Prisoners and guards rapidly adapted to their roles, stepping beyond the
boundaries of what had been predicted and leading to dangerous and
psychologically damaging situations. One-third of the guards were judged to
have exhibited “genuine” sadistic tendencies, while many prisoners were
emotionally traumatized and two had to be removed from the experiment early.
Finally, Zimbardo, alarmed at the increasingly abusive anti-social behavior
from his subjects, terminated the entire experiment early.
9
The Monster Study

[image: Stuttering]

The Monster Study was a stuttering experiment on 22 orphan
childrenin
Davenport, Iowa, in 1939 conducted by Wendell Johnson at the
University
of Iowa. Johnson chose one of his graduate students, Mary Tudor, to conduct
the experiment and he supervised her research. After placing the children in
control and experimental groups, Tudor gave positive speech therapy to half
of the children, praising the fluency of their speech, and negative speech
therapy to the other half, belittling the children for every speech
imperfection and telling them they were stutterers. Many of the normal
speaking orphan children who received negative therapy in the experiment
suffered negative psychological effects and some retained speech problems
during the course of their life. Dubbed “The Monster Study” by some of
Johnson’s peers who were horrified that he would experiment on orphan
children to prove a theory, the experiment was kept hidden for fear
Johnson’s reputation would be tarnished in the wake of human experiments
conducted by the Nazis during World War II. The University of Iowa publicly
apologized for the Monster Study in 2001.
8
Project 4.1

[image: 300Px-Project 4.1 Figures]

Project 4.1 was the designation for a medical study conducted by the United
States of those residents of the Marshall Islands exposed to radioactive
fallout from the March 1, 1954 Castle Bravo nuclear test at Bikini Atoll,
which had an unexpectedly large yield. For the first decade after the test,
the effects were ambiguous and statistically difficult to correlate to
radiation exposure: miscarriages and stillbirths among exposed Rongelap
women doubled in the first five years after the accident, but then returned
to normal; some developmental difficulties and impaired growth appeared in
children, but in no clear-cut pattern. In the decades that followed, though,
the effects were undeniable. Children began to suffer disproportionately
from thyroid 
cancer(due
to exposure to radioiodines), and almost a third of those exposed
developed neoplasms by 1974.

As a Department of
EnergyCommittee
writing on the human radiation experiments wrote, “It appears to
have been almost immediately apparent to the AEC and the Joint Task Force
running the Castle series that research on radiation effects could be done
in conjunction with the medical treatment of the exposed populations.” The
DOE report also concluded that “The dual purpose of what is now a DOE
medical program has led to a view by the Marshallese that they were being
used as ‘guinea pigs’ in a ‘radiation experiment.’”
7
Project MKULTRA

[image: Cia Lsd]

Project MKULTRA, or MK-ULTRA, was the code name for a CIA mind-control
research program, run by the Office of Scientific Intelligence, that began
in the early 1950s and continued at least through the late 1960s. There is
much published evidence that the project involved the s

[scifinoir2] 10 Extremely Weird Religions

 http://listverse.com/2009/09/10/10-extremely-weird-religions/Originally, I
wasn't going to post this, but I noticed that 2 of the groups were African
American.

10 Extremely Weird Religions

Share This - Published September 10, 2009 by *JFrater* -
318 
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We have previously published a variety of lists on strange religious
practices ,
religions
you never knew 
existed,
and weird cults , but not a
list of bizarre religions. This list is designed to fill the gap by
discussing ten religions that most of us have not heard of (for good reason
as you will see). Be sure to use the comments to tell us about any other
bizarre religions and, especially, your own experiences of them.

10
Scientology

[image: 
Scientology1-2]

Scientology has featured on a previous list, but if I didn’t include it here
the comments would be inundated with “where’s scientology?” questions. The
Church of Scientology is a cult created by L Ron Hubbard (Elron) in 1952 as
an outgrowth of his earlier self-help system called Dianetics. The Church of
Scientology holds that at the higher levels of initiation (OT levels)
mystical teachings are imparted that may be harmful to unprepared readers.
These teachings are kept secret from members who have not reached these
levels. In the OT levels, Hubbard explains how to reverse the effects of
past-life trauma patterns that supposedly extend millions of years into the
past. Among these advanced teachings is the story of Xenu (sometimes Xemu),
introduced as an alien ruler of the “Galactic Confederacy.” According to
this story, 75 million years ago Xenu brought billions of people to Earth in
spacecraft resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them around volcanoes
and detonated hydrogen bombs in the volcanoes. The thetans then clustered
together, stuck to the bodies of the living, and continue to do this today.
Scientologists at advanced levels place considerable emphasis on isolating
body thetans and neutralizing their ill effects.

9
Creativity Movement

[image: Splc Hale
350X4501]

The Creativity Movement (formerly known as World Church Of The Creator), is
a white separatist organization that advocates the whites-only religion,
Creativity. It was also a descriptive phrase used by Ben Klassen, that
included all adherents of the religion. The use of the term creator does not
refer to a deity, but rather to themselves (white people). Despite the
former use of the word Church in its name, the movement is atheistic.
Creativity is a White Separatist religion that was founded by Ben Klassen in
early 1973 under the name Church of the Creator. After Klassen’s death in
1993, Creativity almost died out as a religion until the New Church of the
Creator was established three years later by Matthew F. Hale as its Pontifex
Maximus (high priest), until his incarceration in January 2003 for plotting
with the movement’s head of security, Anthony Evola (an FBI informant), to
murder a federal judge.

8
Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth

[image: Picture
2-81]

Obviously spelling is not a fundamental part of this religion! Thee Temple
ov Psychick Youth (TOPY) was founded in 1981 by members of Psychic
TV,
Coil, Current 93, and a number of other individuals. The ever-evolving
network is a loosely federated group of people operating as a unique blend
of artistic collective, and practitioners of magic. TOPY is dedicated to the
manifestation of magical concepts lacking mysticism or the worship of gods.
The group focuses on the psychic and magical aspects of the human brain
linked with “guiltless sexuality”. Throughout its existence, TOPY has been
an influential group in the underground Chaos magic scene and in the wider
western occult tradition. TOPY’s research has covered both Left-hand path
and Right-hand path magick, various elements of psychology, art, music, and
a variety of other media. Some of the influences on the network have
been Aleister
Crowley ,
Austin Osman Spare, and Brion Gysin.

7
Nation of Yahweh

[image: 
1Heavensfamilyufosmall]

The Nation of Yahweh is a predominantly African-American religious group
that is the most controversial offshoot of the Black Hebrew Israelites line
of thought. They were founded in 1979 in Miami by Hulon Mitchell, Jr., who
went by the name Yahweh ben Yahweh. Their goal is to return African
Americans, whom they see as the original

[scifinoir2] 50 Spectacular Conceptual Artworks by Tariq Raheem

50 Spectacular Conceptual Artworks by Tariq
Raheem

May 18, 2010 Featured ,
Inspiration 

Tariq Raheem is a digital painter, illustrator and conceptual artist from
Australia.  His work combines a futuristic hybrid of humanity and machines,
echoing themes from science fiction classics such as the Matrix, Blade
Runner, Mass Effect and others, and a fantasy world of sorceresses, queens
and Spartan warriors.

In this post, we’ve featured 50 spectacular artworks from Tariq, selected
from his gallery on deviantART: http://tariq12.deviantart.com/ His artwork
is truly spectacular, so if the digital version isn’t enough for you, Tariq
has recently artbook titled Chaotic Evolution.  More information is
available on his personal website: http://www.tariqart.net/

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Re: [scifinoir2] 50 Spectacular Conceptual Artworks by Tariq Raheem

No complaints here, Mr Worf. Thanks!

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:08 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

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> Australia.  His work combines a futuristic hybrid of humanity and machines,
> echoing themes from science fiction classics such as the Matrix, Blade
> Runner, Mass Effect and others, and a fantasy world of sorceresses, queens
> and Spartan warriors.
>
> In this post, we’ve featured 50 spectacular artworks from Tariq, selected
> from his gallery on deviantART: http://tariq12.deviantart.com/ His artwork
> is truly spectacular, so if the digital version isn’t enough for you, Tariq
> has recently artbook titled Chaotic Evolution.  More information is
> available on his personal website: http://www.tariqart.net/
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Re: [scifinoir2] 10 Extremely Weird Religions

I laugh my narrow a$$ off at this, especially the Prince Philip Movement.
Wonder if those brothers know that their deity is a racist bastich...

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> http://listverse.com/2009/09/10/10-extremely-weird-religions/ Originally,
> I wasn't going to post this, but I noticed that 2 of the groups were African
> American.
>
> 10 Extremely Weird Religions
>
> Share This- Published September 10, 2009 by *JFrater* - 318 
> Comments
>
> We have previously published a variety of lists on strange religious
> practices ,
> religions you never knew 
> existed,
> and weird cults , but not a
> list of bizarre religions. This list is designed to fill the gap by
> discussing ten religions that most of us have not heard of (for good reason
> as you will see). Be sure to use the comments to tell us about any other
> bizarre religions and, especially, your own experiences of them.
>
> 10
> Scientology
>
> [image: 
> Scientology1-2]
>
> Scientology has featured on a previous list, but if I didn’t include it
> here the comments would be inundated with “where’s scientology?” questions.
> The Church of Scientology is a cult created by L Ron Hubbard (Elron) in 1952
> as an outgrowth of his earlier self-help system called Dianetics. The Church
> of Scientology holds that at the higher levels of initiation (OT levels)
> mystical teachings are imparted that may be harmful to unprepared readers.
> These teachings are kept secret from members who have not reached these
> levels. In the OT levels, Hubbard explains how to reverse the effects of
> past-life trauma patterns that supposedly extend millions of years into the
> past. Among these advanced teachings is the story of Xenu (sometimes Xemu),
> introduced as an alien ruler of the “Galactic Confederacy.” According to
> this story, 75 million years ago Xenu brought billions of people to Earth in
> spacecraft resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them around volcanoes
> and detonated hydrogen bombs in the volcanoes. The thetans then clustered
> together, stuck to the bodies of the living, and continue to do this today.
> Scientologists at advanced levels place considerable emphasis on isolating
> body thetans and neutralizing their ill effects.
>
> 9
> Creativity Movement
>
> [image: Splc Hale 
> 350X4501]
>
> The Creativity Movement (formerly known as World Church Of The Creator), is
> a white separatist organization that advocates the whites-only religion,
> Creativity. It was also a descriptive phrase used by Ben Klassen, that
> included all adherents of the religion. The use of the term creator does not
> refer to a deity, but rather to themselves (white people). Despite the
> former use of the word Church in its name, the movement is atheistic.
> Creativity is a White Separatist religion that was founded by Ben Klassen in
> early 1973 under the name Church of the Creator. After Klassen’s death in
> 1993, Creativity almost died out as a religion until the New Church of the
> Creator was established three years later by Matthew F. Hale as its Pontifex
> Maximus (high priest), until his incarceration in January 2003 for plotting
> with the movement’s head of security, Anthony Evola (an FBI informant), to
> murder a federal judge.
>
> 8
> Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth
>
> [image: Picture 
> 2-81]
>
> Obviously spelling is not a fundamental part of this religion! Thee Temple
> ov Psychick Youth (TOPY) was founded in 1981 by members of Psychic 
> TV,
> Coil, Current 93, and a number of other individuals. The ever-evolving
> network is a loosely federated group of people operating as a unique blend
> of artistic collective, and practitioners of magic. TOPY is dedicated to the
> manifestation of magical concepts lacking mysticism or the worship of gods.
> The group focuses on the psychic and magical aspects of the human brain
> linked with “guiltless sexuality”. Throughout its existence, TOPY has been
> an influential group in the underground Chaos magic scene and in the wider
> western occult tradition. TOPY’s research has covered both Left-hand path
> and Right-hand path magick, various elements of psychology, art, music, and
> a variety of other media. Some of the influences on the network have been 
> Aleister
> Crowley ,
> Austin Osman Spare, and Brion Gysin.
>
> 7
> Nation of Yahweh
>
> [image: 
> 1Heavensfamilyufosmall]

Re: [scifinoir2] Top 10 Evil Human Experiments

Ain't humanity WONDERFUL?

Martin (needs t get around to hacking the DoD to launch everything and end
this vale of tears)

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> http://listverse.com/2008/03/14/top-10-evil-human-experiments/
> Top 10 Evil Human Experiments
>
> Share This- Published March 14, 2008 - 343 
> Comments
>
> *[WARNING] This list contains descriptions and images of human
> experimentation which may cause offense to some readers.]* Human
> experimentation and research ethics evolved over time. On occasion, the
> subjects of human experimentation have been prisoners, slaves, or even
> family 
> members. In 
> some notable cases, doctors have performed experiments on
> themselves when they have been unwilling to risk the lives of others. This
> is known as self-experimentation. This is a list of the 10 most evil and
> unethical experiments carried out on humans.
> 10
> Stanford Prison Experiment
>
> [image: Stanford Prison]
>
> The Stanford prison experiment was a 
> psychologicalstudy
>  of human responses to captivity and its behavioral effects on both
> authorities and inmates in prison. The experiment was conducted in 1971 by a
> team of researchers led by psychologist Philip Zimbardo at Stanford
> University. Undergraduate volunteers played the roles of both guards and
> prisoners living in a mock prison in the basement of the Stanford psychology
> building.
>
> Prisoners and guards rapidly adapted to their roles, stepping beyond the
> boundaries of what had been predicted and leading to dangerous and
> psychologically damaging situations. One-third of the guards were judged to
> have exhibited “genuine” sadistic tendencies, while many prisoners were
> emotionally traumatized and two had to be removed from the experiment early.
> Finally, Zimbardo, alarmed at the increasingly abusive anti-social behavior
> from his subjects, terminated the entire experiment early.
> 9
> The Monster Study
>
> [image: Stuttering]
>
> The Monster Study was a stuttering experiment on 22 orphan 
> childrenin 
> Davenport, Iowa, in 1939 conducted by Wendell Johnson at the University
> of Iowa. Johnson chose one of his graduate students, Mary Tudor, to conduct
> the experiment and he supervised her research. After placing the children in
> control and experimental groups, Tudor gave positive speech therapy to half
> of the children, praising the fluency of their speech, and negative speech
> therapy to the other half, belittling the children for every speech
> imperfection and telling them they were stutterers. Many of the normal
> speaking orphan children who received negative therapy in the experiment
> suffered negative psychological effects and some retained speech problems
> during the course of their life. Dubbed “The Monster Study” by some of
> Johnson’s peers who were horrified that he would experiment on orphan
> children to prove a theory, the experiment was kept hidden for fear
> Johnson’s reputation would be tarnished in the wake of human experiments
> conducted by the Nazis during World War II. The University of Iowa publicly
> apologized for the Monster Study in 2001.
> 8
> Project 4.1
>
> [image: 300Px-Project 4.1 Figures]
>
> Project 4.1 was the designation for a medical study conducted by the United
> States of those residents of the Marshall Islands exposed to radioactive
> fallout from the March 1, 1954 Castle Bravo nuclear test at Bikini Atoll,
> which had an unexpectedly large yield. For the first decade after the test,
> the effects were ambiguous and statistically difficult to correlate to
> radiation exposure: miscarriages and stillbirths among exposed Rongelap
> women doubled in the first five years after the accident, but then returned
> to normal; some developmental difficulties and impaired growth appeared in
> children, but in no clear-cut pattern. In the decades that followed, though,
> the effects were undeniable. Children began to suffer disproportionately
> from thyroid 
> cancer(due 
> to exposure to radioiodines), and almost a third of those exposed
> developed neoplasms by 1974.
>
> As a Department of 
> EnergyCommittee
>  writing on the human radiation experiments wrote, “It appears to
> have been almost immediately apparent to the AEC and the Joint Task Force
> running the Castle series that research on radiation effects could be done
> in conjunction with the medical treatment of the exposed populations.” The
> DOE report also concluded that “The dual purpose of what is now a DOE
> medical program has led to a view by the Marshallese that they were being
> used as ‘gu

Re: [scifinoir2] [Far, Far Away Off Topic] Is 2010 New York City, America's "Summer of Ass"?

Brent, as a Leg Man for Life, I am bereft.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:29 PM, brent wodehouse <
brent_wodeho...@thefence.us> wrote:

>
>
> :-)
> 
>
> http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/07/is_2010_new_yor.php
>
> Badonkadonk
>
> Is 2010 New York City, America's "Summer of Ass"?
>
> By Foster Kamer
>
> Mon., Jul. 12 2010
>
> The times, they change. The ebb and flow of the universe is simply
> something to be gerneally understood as such, and nothing more. For every
> action, there's an equal reaction. And for every physics law, there's a
> metaphysical plane to apply it to that generally shows its face when you
> look at it from the right direction at a certain point. Like this one.
> From behind. In other words:
>
> In 2009, New York City, and the rest of America had the Summer of Death.
>
> In 2010, New York City, and the rest of America has the Summer of Ass.
>
> Because 2009 was the Summer, when, like, every celebrity died! And that's
> sad. So America must be rewarded with something. The revitalized
> popularity emerging for big derrieres -- an easily-achievable physical
> feat, one may argue -- is, of course, society's natural karmic award for
> bearing the pain of all those dead celebrities last year.
>
> The New York Daily News didn't note this in their piece of the Summer of
> Ass -- which, by the way, Runnin' Scared Dot Com would like to officially
> get behind (heh) in a big way (heh, that's another big ass joke, right
> there) -- but after much looking, and looking, and looking, and talking to
> impressively-assed celebrities like Kim Kardashian, they think they've
> unlocked the secret of the reemergence of the ample back-asset
> [
> http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/fashion/2010/07/12/2010-07-12_rearing_to_go_big_butts_are_summer_2010s_hottest_trend.html?page=1#ixzz0tTz6zgoG
> ]:
>
> 'Gone are the days of being ashamed of a wider bottom, with America
> becoming more diverse amid shifting standards, according to Stylesight
> trend analyst Sharon Graubard. "I think it's about the diversity of our
> population and more accepted beauty, and a wider range of accepted
> beauty," Graubard explains.'
>
> Realize what a win-win situation this is for everyone:
>
> * The Big-Bottomed: Pleased.
> * The "Ass Men": Pleased.
> * The Workout Industry: Pleased.
> * The Food Industry: Pleased.
> * The Ass-Accentuating Denim Industry: Pleased.
> * Pat Kiernan: Pleased
> [http://www.patspapers.com/story_stack/item/everybody_likes_big_butts/].
>
> Of all of society's ills, will the large-ass trend work to heal any of
> them? Only time will tell. In the mean time, there's certainly one
> marginalized group that may -- nay, must -- see something good yielded by
> all of this:
>
> * The "Booty Jam" Nostalgists.
> Lest you not understand what a "Booty Jam" is, all you need to know is: It
> is a song created for hyper-utilization by those with, um, big asses. And
> hopefully, these songs will come back, because they are amazing.
> Certainly, you can have your Sir Mix-A-Lot, you may have your "Apple
> Bottom Jeans" and your Nelly, but ah, you don't know anything about Luke,
> 69 Boyz, and 2 Live Crew's heyday, until you experience it. Like this.
>
>  
>



-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

Re: [scifinoir2] ATT may also lose AMC

Mr Worf, in all honesty, I wouldn't count AMC as a loss. I haven't put my TV
there in three years.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> I just caught a commercial on AMC stating that ATT may lose AMC as well.
> Looks like they are trying to pull all of the good channels from ATT.
>  
>

-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

Re: [scifinoir2] Upgraded to 21st Century TV and Now Wonder

No, Bosco, you aren't missing anything. IMO, this is just the "SF doesn't
really matter to us" syndrome at work. For those of you who doubt me, try
this experiment.

If there's a B Dalton's in your area, go to it. Walk in the door, go as
straight as you can to the rear of the store, and hang  aright.

You'll be in the SF/Fantasy section. Where no one has to see it unless they
*want* to see it. (I've tested this theory in six states, from California to
Virginia, and found only two exceptions.)

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Bosco Bosco  wrote:

>
>
> So last week after noticing I hadn't actually used my home phone in more
> than 7 months, I decided to ditch it. I upgraded my ATT Uverse package and
> now have actual pay programing which is costing me less than the previous
> package.
>
> I was unfamiliar with the encore and starz end of the cable spectrum as I
> have never had premium channels before. They have western, action, mystery
> and other genre channels that are none to shabby. I have to wonder why they
> don't have a sci-fi or speculative fiction channel. It seems a natural.
> Surely there is bandwidth and programming available? Or am I missing
> something?
>
> Bosco
>
>  
>

-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

Re: [scifinoir2] Wide-eyed Beauty Seyfried to star in 'I'm.mortal'

This moves me.

To stay away from it, that is.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:40 PM, brent wodehouse <
brent_wodeho...@thefence.us> wrote:

>
>
> http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118021636.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
>
> Posted: Mon., Jul. 12, 2010
>
> Seyfried to star in 'I'm.mortal'
>
> New Regency sci-fi pic to be distributed by Fox
>
> By PAMELA MCCLINTOCK
>
> Amanda Seyfried is seeking immortality, starring in New Regency's sci-fi
> action thriller, "I'm.mortal," from writer-director Andrew Niccol.
> Twentieth Century Fox will distribute the film, which also has romance
> elements.
>
> "I'm.mortal" centers on a society in which aging stops at 25 -- meaning
> that every role will be played by actors in their mid-20s.
>
> New Regency picked up the high-priority project this spring. Niccol is
> expected to begin lensing this year.
>
> Eric Newman and Marc Abraham are producing via their Strike Entertainment.
> Strike's Kristel Laiblin is exec producing.
>
> Time is the currency in the world of "I'm.mortal," where citizens must buy
> and bank time when their aging gene turns off at age 25. The rich can live
> forever, but those who run out of time are engineered to die automatically.
>
> When a rebel from the ghetto is falsely accused of murdering a wealthy man
> for his time, he is forced to go on the run with a beautiful, rich hostage
> (Seyfried).
>
> Seyfried stars in Warner Bros.' upcoming "Red Riding Hood," from director
> Catherine Hardwicke. She was last in theaters with "Letters to Juliet,"
> "Dear John" and "Mamma Mia!"The male lead hasn't yet been cast.
>
> "It's a strange casting process. Even for a small role like a priest or a
> pawnbroker, where you would normally cast a 75-year-old character actor, I
> have to find a 75-year-old character actor in a 25-year old body," Niccol
> told Daily Variety.
>
> Niccol's previous directing/writing credits include "Gattaca" and "Lord of
> War." He also wrote "The Truman Show."
>
> "I'm.mortal" isn't the only sci-fi film project broaching the subject of a
> future where people don't age.
>
> A remake of "Logan's Run" has been in the works for more than a decade at
> Warner Bros., with Joel Silver and Akiva Goldsman producing. That film
> focuses on a man trying to escape a mandatory death sentence on his 30th
> birthday.
>
> Seyfried is repped by Innovative Artists.
>
> Contact Pamela McClintock at 
> pamela.mcclint...@variety.com
> .
>
>  
>



-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

Re: [scifinoir2] Feature Version of Robert Heinlein's "Have Space Suit, Will Travel"

Please get it right... [?][?][?][?]

Thanks for the post, Brent! [?]

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:06 PM, brent wodehouse <
brent_wodeho...@thefence.us> wrote:

>
>
> http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118021311.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
>
> Jupiter 9 'Travels' to sci fi
>
> Indie to develop tome with Gotham Group
>
> By DAVE MCNARY
>
> Harry Kloor's Jupiter 9 Prods. is developing a feature version of Robert
> Heinlein's "Have Space Suit, Will Travel" with Gotham Group's Ellen
> Goldsmith-Vein and Peter McHugh attached as producers.
>
> Kloor, who founded Jupiter 9 to promote science literacy, obtained film
> rights after presenting a finished script to the Heinlein estate.
>
> "I was inspired to become a scientist and science fiction writer in part
> by reading the works of grand master Robert Heinlein," Kloor said.
>
> "Have Space Suit, Will Travel" was originally serialized in 1958 in
> Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction and published later that year in
> hardcover by Scribner's. Set in 2040, "Space Suit" tells the story of a
> teenager who loses a contest for a free trip to the Moon, but wins a
> broken-down space suit -- which contains properties that lead to
> humanity's first contact with aliens.
>
> Kloor's credits include writing for such TV series as "Star Trek:
> Voyager," the animated series "Godzilla" and the syndie drama "Earth:
> Final Conflict," and the upcoming animated feature "Quantum Quest: A
> Cassini Space Odyssey," which will be released in large-format theaters in
> the fall. "Quantum Quest" interweaves animated sequences rendered by
> Digimax with space imagery captured from seven ongoing space missions.
>
> Gotham Group was a producer on "The Spiderwick Chronicles" and is in
> preproduction on "Abduction," starring Taylor Lautner and directed by John
> Singleton.
>
> Contact Dave McNary at dave.mcn...@variety.com 
>
>  
>



-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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Re: [scifinoir2] Kevin Bacon Vs The X-Men?

I could see him playing Henry Gyrich.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:53 PM, brent wodehouse <
brent_wodeho...@thefence.us> wrote:

>
>
> http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=28329
>
> 12 July 2010
>
> Kevin Bacon Vs The X-Men?
>
> In talks for the First Class villain
>
> Source: Deadline
>
> The cast of Matthew Vaughn’s X-Men: First Class could all see their number
> in the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game go down by a few digits - the actor
> has been offered the role of the main villain in the movie.
>
> While the exact details of the bad guy is unknown, Deadline reports that
> Bacon is in talks to snatch the role, which would see him facing off
> against James McAvoy’s Professor Charles Xavier, Michael Fassbender’s Erik
> Lensherr and the young mutants they’re training to help the world.
>
> There has been a flurry of casting on the film in recent weeks, with the
> likes of Nicholas Hoult (Beast), Caleb Landry Jones (Banshee), Alice Eve
> (Emma Frost) and Lucas Till (Havoc) all signing on, with the likelihood of
> a few more to come.
>
> With a script re-written by Vaughn and regular collaborator Jane Goldman,
> X-Men: First Class will start shooting next month.
>
> James White
>
>  
>



-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

[scifinoir2] Top 10 Errors in Science Fiction Movies

Top 10 Errors in Science Fiction Movies

Share This - Published November 23, 2007 - 5500249
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Top+10+Errors+in+Science+Fiction+Movies2007-11-23+11%3A22%3A44jfrater

Science Fiction movies are great for expanding the mind and showing us
things we may never get to see in real life. Unfortunately though, they all
seem to make the same fundamental errors regarding true science. This is a
list of the top 10 errors in Science Fiction movies.

10. Simplicity

[image: 574Px-M87
Jet]

This is less a crime of commission than one of omission. Space is full of
wonders we cannot even begin to understand, yet most science fiction films
are based in a very simplistic environment and do not even begin to
investigate the wonderful possibilities that science fiction offers us. We
don’t see interplanetary tunnels, aliens on planets around pulsars,
creatures living on dead suns, alien life forms that inhabit the edges of
supermassive black holes, or so many of the other thought provoking
scenarios. Let’s spice up our science fiction movies!

9. Simplistic Planets

[image: 133946 Tatooine
L]

This is particularly evident in the Star Wars movies. Whenever a planet is
introduced in a science fiction film, it has one equal ecological system
across the entire planet – for example, it might be entirely covered in snow
– or entirely covered in sand. If people are living on these planets, they
must be providing water and other important things needed for survival.
This, in turn, would suggest that the planet ought to have a well developed
complex ecosystem which varies from region to region – for example ice at
the poles and arid land at the center (this is just an example of course).

8. Alien / Human Breeding

[image: Spock-1] 

This is often seen in Star Trek – for example Spock – he was half human and
half Vulcan. It is not even possible for human/ape crossbreeds to occur due
to genetic differences, it is inconceivable that a human and an alien might
be able to crossbreed. There are, of course, additional problems: how do you
perform the cross breeding if the alien does not have sexual organs or the
means to extract the necessary seeds of life?

7. Alien / Human communication

[image: Dish] 

If aliens did exist, it would be extremely unlikely that we could
communicate with them in a very short amount of time. In addition to the
regular problems in translating an entirely unknown language, we would also
have to consider a society that probably involves concepts we do not
understand at all. Imagine an alien race trying to understand God if they
have never had a notion of religion in their society. Of course, none of
this matters if the aliens communicate with their minds or non-audible means
– it would be impossible for us to communicate at all with a race that has
no concept of sight and sound.

6. Instant Communications

[image: Contact Large
15]

Even if we did use light particles/waves to transmit radio data, the vast
distances in space would make instant radio communication impossible. A rare
exception to this flaw is in the movie Contact; as the camera draws away
from the earth we hear the radio emanations getting progressively older
until you finally reach silence. This trick is very effectively used to show
just how massive space is.



5. Humanoid Aliens

[image: 
Aliennewstag7]

This is endemic on the various Star Trek series, where creatures from
entirely different sectors of the Universe look just like Humans except for
the occasional bulging ridge on their foreheads, etc. Humans evolved on
earth in order to meet a very specific criteria for survival – the
presumption that this is true of all other planets is ridiculous.

4. Explosions in Space

[image: 
Explosion2004]

Unfortunately virtually every science fiction movie makes this error – in
fact, in the vacuum of outer space, there can be no flames (as flames need
oxygen) and, of course, no boom. An exception to this is the film 2001, in
which Bowman re-enters the Discovery by blowing out an airlock.

3. Superluminal Travel

[image: 1062881070-Warp
Speed]

According to Einstein’s special theory of relativity, as an object
approaches the speed of light, the energy required to propel it is immense –
by the time you reach the speed of light, infinite energy is needed – this
renders faster-than-light travel i

Re: [scifinoir2] Nolan won't replace Ledger as Joker in 'Batman 3'

That's upright of him. But I still won't be surprised if Ledger's replaced
somewhere down the road.

After all, this IS H'Wood we speak of...

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:47 PM, brent wodehouse <
brent_wodeho...@thefence.us> wrote:

>
>
>
> http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/entertainment/2012336593_apusfilmbatmansequel.html?prmid=head_main
>
> Nolan won't replace Ledger as Joker in 'Batman 3'
>
> Batman is returning, but he won't have the Joker to contend with next time.
>
> The Associated Press
>
> LOS ANGELES - Batman is returning, but he won't have the Joker to contend
> with next time.
>
> Director Christopher Nolan says he will not bring back the Joker, the
> villain played so maniacally in "The Dark Knight" by the late Heath Ledger
> that the role earned him an Academy Award a year after his death.
>
> Nolan would not disclose what villain or villains might take on Batman in
> the next film, due out July 20, 2012, the same weekend that brought the
> record-breaking $158.4 million debut of "The Dark Knight" in 2008.
>
> "For me, Heath was the definitive Joker," Nolan said in an interview to
> promote "Inception," his sci-fi thriller opening Friday. "It wouldn't feel
> appropriate to readdress that character."
>
> Ledger died of an accidental prescription drug overdose in January 2008.
> His death stoked fan interest in "The Dark Knight," which topped $1
> billion at the box office worldwide.
>
> With his supporting-actor win, Ledger became only the second performer
> ever to earn an Oscar posthumously.
>
> The next "Batman" film will be the third in the current Warner Bros.
> incarnation of the franchise, which stars Christian Bale as the vigilante
> superhero.
>
>  
>



-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

Re: [scifinoir2] Top 10 Errors in Science Fiction Movies

Mr Worf, this goes back to the lack of science advisers in SF movies. Again,
blame H'Wood. I do.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> Top 10 Errors in Science Fiction Movies
>
> Share This- Published November 23, 2007 - 5500249 Comments
> http://listverse.com/2007/11/23/top-10-errors-in-science-fiction-movies/
> Top+10+Errors+in+Science+Fiction+Movies2007-11-23+11%3A22%3A44jfrater
>
> Science Fiction movies are great for expanding the mind and showing us
> things we may never get to see in real life. Unfortunately though, they all
> seem to make the same fundamental errors regarding true science. This is a
> list of the top 10 errors in Science Fiction movies.
>
> 10. Simplicity
>
> [image: 574Px-M87 
> Jet]
>
> This is less a crime of commission than one of omission. Space is full of
> wonders we cannot even begin to understand, yet most science fiction films
> are based in a very simplistic environment and do not even begin to
> investigate the wonderful possibilities that science fiction offers us. We
> don’t see interplanetary tunnels, aliens on planets around pulsars,
> creatures living on dead suns, alien life forms that inhabit the edges of
> supermassive black holes, or so many of the other thought provoking
> scenarios. Let’s spice up our science fiction movies!
>
> 9. Simplistic Planets
>
> [image: 133946 Tatooine 
> L]
>
> This is particularly evident in the Star Wars movies. Whenever a planet is
> introduced in a science fiction film, it has one equal ecological system
> across the entire planet – for example, it might be entirely covered in snow
> – or entirely covered in sand. If people are living on these planets, they
> must be providing water and other important things needed for survival.
> This, in turn, would suggest that the planet ought to have a well developed
> complex ecosystem which varies from region to region – for example ice at
> the poles and arid land at the center (this is just an example of course).
>
> 8. Alien / Human Breeding
>
> [image: Spock-1]
>
> This is often seen in Star Trek – for example Spock – he was half human and
> half Vulcan. It is not even possible for human/ape crossbreeds to occur due
> to genetic differences, it is inconceivable that a human and an alien might
> be able to crossbreed. There are, of course, additional problems: how do you
> perform the cross breeding if the alien does not have sexual organs or the
> means to extract the necessary seeds of life?
>
> 7. Alien / Human communication
>
> [image: Dish] 
>
> If aliens did exist, it would be extremely unlikely that we could
> communicate with them in a very short amount of time. In addition to the
> regular problems in translating an entirely unknown language, we would also
> have to consider a society that probably involves concepts we do not
> understand at all. Imagine an alien race trying to understand God if they
> have never had a notion of religion in their society. Of course, none of
> this matters if the aliens communicate with their minds or non-audible means
> – it would be impossible for us to communicate at all with a race that has
> no concept of sight and sound.
>
> 6. Instant Communications
>
> [image: Contact Large 
> 15]
>
> Even if we did use light particles/waves to transmit radio data, the vast
> distances in space would make instant radio communication impossible. A rare
> exception to this flaw is in the movie Contact; as the camera draws away
> from the earth we hear the radio emanations getting progressively older
> until you finally reach silence. This trick is very effectively used to show
> just how massive space is.
>
>
>
> 5. Humanoid Aliens
>
> [image: 
> Aliennewstag7]
>
> This is endemic on the various Star Trek series, where creatures from
> entirely different sectors of the Universe look just like Humans except for
> the occasional bulging ridge on their foreheads, etc. Humans evolved on
> earth in order to meet a very specific criteria for survival – the
> presumption that this is true of all other planets is ridiculous.
>
> 4. Explosions in Space
>
> [image: 
> Explosion2004]
>
> Unfortunately virtually every science fiction movie makes this error – in
> fact, in the vacuum of outer space, there can be no flames (as flames need
> oxygen) and, of course, no boom. An exception to this is the film 2001, in
> which Bowman re-enters the Discovery by blowing out an airlock.
>
> 3. Superluminal Travel
>
> [image: 1062881070-Warp 
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Tesla May Get Some Company: The Supercar Goes Electric

They've got it on the boards right now, I hear.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> Porchea and Ferrari are both working on one as well. Although I think
> Ferrari will probably do a hybrid first.
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I'm impressed.
>>
>> But the Veyron still owns the better part of me.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tesla May Get Some Company: The Supercar Goes Electric
>>>
>>> *CHARGE!* SLS AMG E-Cell has an electric motor powering each of the
>>> wheels. More Photos 
>>> »
>>>  By LAWRENCE ULRICH Published: July 8, 2010
>>>
>>>- 
>>> Facebook
>>>-  Twitter
>>>- Recommend
>>>- Sign In to 
>>> E-Mail
>>>- 
>>> Print
>>>-  
>>> Reprints
>>>- 
>>> Share
>>>
>>> Close
>>>   - 
>>> Linkedin
>>>   - 
>>> Digg
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>>> Mixx
>>>   - 
>>> MySpace
>>>   - Yahoo! 
>>> Buzz
>>>   - 
>>> Permalink
>>>   -
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> INTRODUCED in New York in 1954, the Mercedes-Benz 300SL was a stunningly
>>> advanced machine, the first production car to trade a carburetor for fuel
>>> injection.
>>>   Multimedia
>>>   Slide Show
>>> 
>>>  2011 Mercedes-Benz SLS 
>>> AMG
>>>   Related
>>>
>>>-  Behind the Wheel | 2011 Mercedes-Benz Sls Amg: Winging It One More
>>>
>>> Time(July
>>>  11, 2010)
>>>
>>>   Now, with the SLS AMG echoing the style of that original gullwing
>>> sports car, Mercedes may produce an electric version that could give the
>>> company environmental bragging rights. Mercedes is testing the prototype SLS
>>> AMG E-Cell, in which the standard model’s 563-horsepower gasoline V-8 has
>>> been replaced with four electric motors, one powering each wheel, that spool
>>> up 535 horsepower and 649 pound-feet of peak torque.
>>>
>>> Mercedes estimates a 0-to-60 time of four seconds flat for the electric
>>> SLS, just a few tenths slower than the gasoline version. Power is stored in
>>> a liquid-cooled 
>>> lithium-ion
>>> battery; brakes capture energy and return it to the battery.
>>>
>>> Ola Kallenius, chairman of Mercedes’s AMG high-performance division, said
>>> the company was considering a small production run for the SLS E-Cell.
>>>
>>> At a recent presentation for the car in Norway, a retired Formula 
>>> Oneracer,
>>>  David Coulthard, tested the E-Cell on an airstrip and public roads.
>>> His drive and commentary were documented on Web video. “My first experience
>>> of an electric 
>>> car,”
>>> Mr. Coulthard said, emerging from the E-Cell with a grin. “You will not
>>> believe the performance.”
>>>
>>> The E-Cell, along with cars like the new S400 hybrid sedan, shows
>>> Mercedes shifting more of its renowned technical resources toward increasing
>>> fuel economy and developing alternative propulsion systems. Mercedes, which
>>> has paid more than $300 million in federal fines since 1983 for falling
>>> short of fuel-economy standards — thanks largely to its fuel-sucking AMG
>>> models — has vowed to improve mileage and avoid the fines.
>>>
>>> Mercedes has no

[scifinoir2] Top 10 Filmable Batman Villains

Top 10 Filmable Batman Villains

Share This - Published January 2, 2010 by *
valentinedragon* - 143
Comments

It can’t be denied that Christopher
Nolanhas
reinvented the way we look at comic book movies today. This was
accomplished once he realized that he can take away the “Pow!” “Boom!” and
“Kablamo!” attached to the Batman legacy where he then found material for
some deeply moving, thrilling, and innovative stories. As shown in Batman
Begins and The Dark Knight, Nolan created a believable universe in which
Batman and his band of not-so-merry men could truly exist where they were
once thought too cartoon-ish or unrealistic for serious cinema. He
successfully brought the Scarecrow, Ra’s al Ghul, Two-Face and the Joker to
life but what lies ahead for the third (and future) installment in this new
Batman franchise? Which characters have the greatest potential to make the
cut in the Nolanverse?

10
Clayface

[image: Zclayface]

*Name/Alias:* Several – Clayface

*Story:* Clayface is the only person on this list with superpowers which is
an attribute we have yet to see in any Nolanverse villain but don’t cast him
aside just yet. Not only can he make weapons like saws,
hammers,
and blades with his own body, he can shapeshift into anyone. Think of him as
the clay baby of T-1000 from Terminator 2 and Mystique from X-Men. The
actions Clayface is capable of are endless. Does he want to infiltrate Wayne
Enterprises? Pose as Lucius Fox. Does he want to break someone out of
Arkham? Pose as a security guard. Or better yet: Does he want to ruin
Batman’s reputation? Pose as the Bat himself.

Clayface could very easily become a bad decision in the Nolanverse should
the production team make him into a Sandman-esque character from Spider-Man
3. I say that just because a villain has powers doesn’t mean he needs to go
overboard with said powers. Allow Clayface to absorb a batarang or fall off
a skyscraper without a scratch. He doesn’t need to turn into the Blob and
mud up the city for him to be impressive and/or worthwhile.

*Overall Challenge:* High. A character made of clay who can be anyone at any
time and who can get out of almost any situation? Yeah. I hope it rains a
lot in Gotham.

9
Talia al Ghul

[image: Ztalia] 

*Name/Alias:* Talia al Ghul

*Story:* Move aside Rachel What’s-Your-Name! You’re yesterday’s news. Enter
Talia al Ghul, the daughter of the League of Shadows leader Ra’s al Ghul.
Although, you don’t want to label her as some damsel in distress. Not only
can Talia’s exotic beauty stun a man, she can work a number of weapons
expertly and her handle of the sword is not easily matched (pun slightly
intended). In the comics, she (like her father) knows that Bruce Wayne is
Batman and she is convinced that he is the most suitable man to bear a child
with. The two share an on-again off-again relationship, making Talia not a
strict Batman villain, but rather an anti-hero who errs on the side of good
from time to time.

As we saw in Batman
Begins,
Ra’s al Ghul blended into the Nolanverse perfectly so the chances that his
daughter can do the same are equally good. Plus, we don’t hear anything from
Ra’s during the second film, so what better way to reintroduce him in the
third film then by sending his daughter to seduce Bruce back into his favor?
Ra’s gets a “son,” Talia gets her man, and Bats gets some booty. Everybody
wins!

*Overall Challenge:* Medium. What stops Talia from being a true villain is
her love and respect for Batman so if he’s smart, he’ll use that infamous
playboy charm of his when he needs it most, say, right before she beheads
him to please her father.

8
Calculator

[image: 
Zcalculator]

*Name/Alias:* Noah Kuttler – Calculator

*Story:* As a relatively unknown rogue, Calculator first began as a
third-rate criminal. It wasn’t until recent that he discovered how to
reinvent himself for the modern war between heroes and villains: start a
business! Serving as the “evil” counterpart to Oracle (Barbara Gordon, a.k.a
the former Batgirl), Calculator began a business where he serves as the
villain community’s information broker. In need of henchmen? Weapons?
Jobs?
Maps? Connections? The Calculator is the man to hook you up with your
criminal needs… for a price.

One of the good things about Noah is that doesn’t run around at night in a
costume. The threat he poses is a technological one. We’re beginning to see
more of Batman’s detective work (primarily in The Dark Knight) and a perfect
vill

Re: [scifinoir2] Flying Car approved by FAA

I've heard about it. Someone in Clayton County (where Hartsfield-Jackson is)
is protesting the installation of the tower it'll take, because of property
issues.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> That's very true. I live near the flight path and if you combine all of
> that plus careless drivers and we will have issues. I'm just hoping that
> they use the new satellite based system to help out with takeoffs and
> landings. (have you heard about that yet? They just installed it here.)
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> DEFINITELY not an urban setting. At any given moment, 50,000 people tying
>> to take to the skies=at least 100 crashes.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is that little town in Florida that is small plane friendly. I
>>> think John Travolta owns a house there. Taking off from the street wouldn't
>>> be illegal there. I could see that working in some areas or more rural areas
>>> but not in a urban setting.
>>>

 On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

>
>
> http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/09/ridiculous-looking-f.html
>
> Next year, those of you with a sport pilot license and $194,000 to burn
> will be able to buy an honest-to-Doc-Brown flying car. Take-off requires a
> mere 1/3 of a mile runway, which Popular Science says means you could use
> your street as an airstrip—but I suspect that may be illegal.
>
>


 --
 "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody
 hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik



>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
>>> Mahogany at:
>>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
>> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>
>  
>



-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

Re: [scifinoir2] Top 10 Filmable Batman Villains

Right off the bat, whoever wrote this is lagging behind, else he/she would
already know that Batman and Talia have a son, Damian, and that he's Robin.

I've been waiting for Zasaz, Hush and Black mask to be called up to the big
screen. Catwoman and Riddler, IMO, they can keep. Deadshot would be extra
fun because, in continuity, he trained Batman (Bruce Wayne) in sniping.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> Top 10 Filmable Batman Villains
>
> Share This- Published January 2, 2010 by *valentinedragon* - 143 
> Comments
>
> It can’t be denied that Christopher 
> Nolanhas 
> reinvented the way we look at comic book movies today. This was
> accomplished once he realized that he can take away the “Pow!” “Boom!” and
> “Kablamo!” attached to the Batman legacy where he then found material for
> some deeply moving, thrilling, and innovative stories. As shown in Batman
> Begins and The Dark Knight, Nolan created a believable universe in which
> Batman and his band of not-so-merry men could truly exist where they were
> once thought too cartoon-ish or unrealistic for serious cinema. He
> successfully brought the Scarecrow, Ra’s al Ghul, Two-Face and the Joker to
> life but what lies ahead for the third (and future) installment in this new
> Batman franchise? Which characters have the greatest potential to make the
> cut in the Nolanverse?
>
> 10
> Clayface
>
> [image: Zclayface]
>
> *Name/Alias:* Several – Clayface
>
> *Story:* Clayface is the only person on this list with superpowers which
> is an attribute we have yet to see in any Nolanverse villain but don’t cast
> him aside just yet. Not only can he make weapons like saws, 
> hammers,
> and blades with his own body, he can shapeshift into anyone. Think of him as
> the clay baby of T-1000 from Terminator 2 and Mystique from X-Men. The
> actions Clayface is capable of are endless. Does he want to infiltrate Wayne
> Enterprises? Pose as Lucius Fox. Does he want to break someone out of
> Arkham? Pose as a security guard. Or better yet: Does he want to ruin
> Batman’s reputation? Pose as the Bat himself.
>
> Clayface could very easily become a bad decision in the Nolanverse should
> the production team make him into a Sandman-esque character from Spider-Man
> 3. I say that just because a villain has powers doesn’t mean he needs to go
> overboard with said powers. Allow Clayface to absorb a batarang or fall off
> a skyscraper without a scratch. He doesn’t need to turn into the Blob and
> mud up the city for him to be impressive and/or worthwhile.
>
> *Overall Challenge:* High. A character made of clay who can be anyone at
> any time and who can get out of almost any situation? Yeah. I hope it rains
> a lot in Gotham.
>
> 9
> Talia al Ghul
>
> [image: Ztalia] 
>
> *Name/Alias:* Talia al Ghul
>
> *Story:* Move aside Rachel What’s-Your-Name! You’re yesterday’s news.
> Enter Talia al Ghul, the daughter of the League of Shadows leader Ra’s al
> Ghul. Although, you don’t want to label her as some damsel in distress. Not
> only can Talia’s exotic beauty stun a man, she can work a number of weapons
> expertly and her handle of the sword is not easily matched (pun slightly
> intended). In the comics, she (like her father) knows that Bruce Wayne is
> Batman and she is convinced that he is the most suitable man to bear a child
> with. The two share an on-again off-again relationship, making Talia not a
> strict Batman villain, but rather an anti-hero who errs on the side of good
> from time to time.
>
> As we saw in Batman 
> Begins,
> Ra’s al Ghul blended into the Nolanverse perfectly so the chances that his
> daughter can do the same are equally good. Plus, we don’t hear anything from
> Ra’s during the second film, so what better way to reintroduce him in the
> third film then by sending his daughter to seduce Bruce back into his favor?
> Ra’s gets a “son,” Talia gets her man, and Bats gets some booty. Everybody
> wins!
>
> *Overall Challenge:* Medium. What stops Talia from being a true villain is
> her love and respect for Batman so if he’s smart, he’ll use that infamous
> playboy charm of his when he needs it most, say, right before she beheads
> him to please her father.
>
> 8
> Calculator
>
> [image: 
> Zcalculator]
>
> *Name/Alias:* Noah Kuttler – Calculator
>
> *Story:* As a relatively unknown rogue, Calculator first began as a
> third-rate criminal. It wasn’t until recent that he discovered how to
> reinvent himself for the modern war between heroes and villains: start a
> business! Serving as the

Re: [scifinoir2] Fwd: Consumer Group Sniffs Congresswoman's Open Wi-Fi

True, Mr Worf, on both counts. I'm thinking that Google's intent in this was
two-fold, to deflect attention from their own hacking and actual altruism,
wanting to solve the problem before it leaps out of hand.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:34 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> Some of these politicians are just stupid, but she probably didn't have
> anything to do with setting up the network.
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:44 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Martin Baxter 
>> Date: Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 3:52 PM
>> Subject: Consumer Group Sniffs Congresswoman's Open Wi-Fi
>> To: martinbaxt...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Holy hacking, Batman!
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Consumer Group Sniffs Congresswoman’s Open Wi-Fi
>>
>>- By David Kravets 
>> [image:
>>Email Author] 
>>- July 9, 2010  |
>>- 1:37 pm  |
>>- Categories: 
>> Surveillance,
>>privacy 
>>-
>>
>>  We’re
>> not sure what’s more humorous: That California Rep. Jane Harman, the ranking
>> member of the House Intelligence Committee, maintains two unencrypted Wi-Fi
>> networks at her residence, or that a consumer group sniffed her unsecured
>> traffic in a bid to convince lawmakers to hold hearings about Google.
>>
>> A representative for Consumer 
>> Watchdog—
>>  a group largely funded by legal fees, the Rose Foundation, Streisand
>> Foundation, Tides Foundation and others — parked outside Harman’s and other
>> lawmakers’ Washington-area residences to determine whether they had
>> unsecured Wi-Fi networks that might have been sniffed by Google as part of
>> the internet giant’s Street View and Google Maps program.
>>
>> The group wants the House Energy and Commerce Committee, of which Harman
>> is also a member, to haul Google executives before it, so they can publicly
>> explain why, for three years, Google was downloading data packets from
>> unencrypted Wi-Fi networks in neighborhoods in dozens of countries. Google
>> has repeatedly said it didn’t realize it was storing snippets of payload
>> data on unsecured Wi-Fi networks, until German privacy authorities began
>> questioning what data Google was collecting.
>>
>>
>> More at:
>> http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/congresswoman-wifi-sniffed/
>>
>>
>> --
>> "Between getsumei no michi and the Zero...no better place to live."
>>
>> (About little moments of happiness) "If this isn't nice, I don't know what
>> is." -- Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A Country"
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
>> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>
>  
>



-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

Re: [scifinoir2] Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick

Keith, if they want "flavor-of-the-week", Michael Cera would be a great fit
for Banner as well. And the character would have to be written, IMO, the way
he's been done post-World War Hulk, after Banner and the Hulk were
separated, and Banner became a truly scary bastich who played mind games
with everyone around him.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> They need to quit worrying about "name" actors and just get an actor who
> looks and can play the part. Eric Bana was way too buff and handsome for
> Banner. Norton was probably closer, but his almost Shakespearean intensity
> was a bit too much for the skinny, unsure, milksop that is Bruce Banner. I
> think Phoenix would come off too much like a crazed mad scientist than the
> "puny Banner" we need.  Cast the net far and wide to find the right man, and
> notoriety be hanged! That's the damn problem with H'Wood all the time.
>
> Someone who looks the part, for example, would be Jon Cryer, the whiny
> brother on "Two and A Half Men". Not saying he *should* do it, but that's
> the *look* you need for Banner-someone who looks soft and weak, as if he's
> never seen the sun or the inside of a gym.
>
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Daryle Lockhart" 
>
> So  now I'm hearing they're talking  seriously  to  Joaquin Phoenix. Which
>  is both  awesome and frightening at the same time to me.
>
> *
>
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Cinque B wrote:
>
> Marvel: Norton Won't Return As Hulk For 'Avengers'; Norton's Rep Responds
>  Source: Access 
> Hollywood Sun
> Jul 11, 2010, 8:15 pm EDT
>
>
> Edward Norton  won't
> be reprising his role as the Incredible 
> Hulkin 2012's "The Avengers," 
> a Marvel rep confirmed to
> * Access Hollywood * on Sunday.
>
> Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige explained the decision
> in a statement to 
> *HitFix*
> .
>
> VIEW THE PHOTOS: Edward 
> Norton
>
> "We have made the decision to not bring Ed 
> Nortonback to portray 
> the title role of Bruce Banner in 'The Avengers,'" Feige
> told the site. "Our decision is definitely not one based on monetary
> factors, but instead rooted in the need for an actor who embodies the
> creativity and collaborative spirit of our other talented cast members. 'The
> Avengers' demands players who thrive working as part of an ensemble, as
> evidenced by Robert, Chris H, Chris E, Sam, Scarlett, and all of our
> talented casts. We are looking to announce a name actor who fulfills these
> requirements, and is passionate about the iconic role in the coming weeks."
>
> The actors referred to in the statement include current Marvel stars Robert
> Downey Jr.  (" Iron
> Man  "), Chris Hemsworth
> ("Thor), Chris 
> Evans("Captain America: 
> The First Avenger"), Samuel
> L. Jackson  (Nick
> Fury), Scarlett 
> Johansson(" Iron
> Man  2's" Black Widow),
> who are expected to reprise their superhero roles in team-up film "The
> Avengers."
>
> VIEW THE PHOTOS: Scenes From ‘
> The
> Incredible Hulk  ’
>
> A rep for Norton responded to the statement to Hitfix on Sunday, calling it
> "purposefully misleading" and claiming that his client had been in
> discussions to return to the role.
>
> "This offensive statement from Kevin Feige at Marvel is a purposefully
> misleading, inappropriate attempt to paint our client in a negative light,"
> the rep told the site. "Here are the facts: two months ago, Kevin called me
> and said he wanted Edward to reprise the role of Bruce Banner in 'The
> Avengers.' He told me it would be his fantasy to bring Edward on stage with
> the rest of the cast at [Comic-Con] and make it the event of the convention.
> When I said that Edward was definitely open to this idea, Kevin was very
> excited and we agreed that Edward should meet with [director] Joss Whedon to
> discuss the project. Edward and Joss had a very good meeting (confirmed by
> Feige to me) at which Edward said he was enthusiastic at the prospect of
> being a part of the ensemble cast."
>
> However, the rep further claimed, the talks fell apart last week.
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Census discovers 157-year-old woman

None that I know of, Keith. I'll reach out to one of my doctor exes to ask.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Are there any dating methods such as the famous Carbon-14 dating that would
> pinpoint age that's so relatively young? Typically archaelogists and
> scientists are dating things that are hundreds, thousands, even millions of
> years old, so an accuracy of a few decades isn't needed. I was wondering if
> something like C-14 dating would work on her. Of course, they'd have to
> remove a bit of bone and let it "die" to do that test, which ain't cool!
> Just wondered if there are any other dating methods that could be done if a
> small amount of her body tissue was removed and analyzed?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 4:22:21 PM
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Census discovers 157-year-old woman
>
>
>
> Census discovers 157-year-old woman
>  June 08, 2010 09:28:55 AM
>  [image: Bookmark and Share] 
>  Estimates of the size and composition of Indonesia's booming population
> may remain just that despite an ongoing census, if the "discovery" of a
> 157-year-old woman is anything to go by.
>
> Census officials have said they believe the woman's claims to have been
> born in 1853, when Giuseppe Verdi's La Traviata debuted in Venice, the
> Crimean War erupted and San Francisco got its first street signs at
> intersections.
>
> "There's no authentic data to prove her age but judging from her statements
> and the age of her adopted daughter, who's now 108 years old, it's difficult
> to doubt it," statistics bureau official Jhonny Sardjono said.
>
> The only person verified to have lived past 120 years of age was
> Frenchwoman Jeanne Calment, who died in 1997 at the age of 122.
>
> South Sumatran villager Turinah would be fully 25 years older than Calment
> when she died, according to officials.
>
> Even more incredible, she still works around the house and has smoked clove
> cigarettes all her life, Mr Sardjono said.
>
> "Despite her age she still has an incredible memory, clear sight and has no
> hearing problems. She speaks Dutch quite fluently," he added. Indonesia was
> a Dutch colony for hundreds of years until 1945.
>
> He said Turinah burnt all her identification documents to avoid being
> linked to an alleged communist coup in 1965.
>
> Indonesia is the world's fourth most populous country with a population of
> about 240 million people.
>
> President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono has said the census results will be
> important for future governance.
>
> http://www.fijilive.com/news/2010/06/08/26184.Fijilive
>
>
>
>
> --
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>
>   
>



-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

[scifinoir2] Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 Photos)

Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7
Photos)

Author: John 

   - links 

 [image: iron man new Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7
Photos)]

Edit: Apparently that’s War Machine, not Iron Man, however I’m not changing
the title ’cause I’m drinking Jack Daniels at the moment. Continue with your
nerdgasms…
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Photos)]
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Photos)]
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Photos)]
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Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 Photos)

Guy deserves that brewski at the end. He done good...

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
> Photos)
>
> Author: John 
>
>- links 
>
>  [image: iron man new Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
> Photos)]
>
> Edit: Apparently that’s War Machine, not Iron Man, however I’m not changing
> the title ’cause I’m drinking Jack Daniels at the moment. Continue with your
> nerdgasms…
>  [image: iron man pics 41 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
> Photos)]
> [image: iron man pics 01 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
> Photos)]
> [image: iron man pics 11 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
> Photos)]
> [image: iron man pics 21 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
> Photos)]
> [image: iron man suit1 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
> Photos)]
> [image: iron man pics 51 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
> Photos)]
>
>
>
> --
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>
>  
>



-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik

[scifinoir2] Re: Where Are They Now - Project Greenlight Winners

I was fascinated by Project Greenlight and watched Season Two religiously.  It 
was both cringe-inducing and hilarious to watch the attached at the hip "twin" 
directors fumble over each shot - at one point the two of them were directing 
Shia LaBeouf from both the driver and passenger side windows of a prop car at 
the same time.  

I was also fascinated that the producers of the show chose "The Battle of 
Shaker Heights," which plays like an earnest after school special, as a feature 
film project. Failure was eminent and predicable.  

I learned two things from "Project Greenlight": nobody knows anything and the 
best way to make it in Hollywood is to  know or be related to somebody - their 
most successful film came from John Gulager who is the son of character actor 
Clu Gulager.

Oh, yeah, I learned one more thing: when all else fails, make some schlock.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
>  Where Are They Now - Project Greenlight
> Winners
> Posted by Jellio 
>  2 
> Comments
> 
> [image: PGFinal.jpg]
> 
> I'm not sure what made me think of Project
> Greenlight,
> recently. Was it last week's opening of the Tribeca Film
> Festivalthat made me think of
> the HBO competition from a few years back? Or maybe it
> was the sudden reemergence of Ben Affleck, in films like State of Play, and
> Extract  (which looks pretty
> funny). Or maybe it was the Matt Damon
> cameoduring Finding
> Forrester (he does alot of those).
> 
> Oh well, whatever it was, now that I've got it in my head, I'll have to look
> all over the Internet, or at least
> Wikipedia,
> to find out if the winners ever went on to bigger and better things.
> 
> *Season One - Stolen Summer*
> [image: StolenSummerFinal.jpg]
> *Description:* In its premiere season, Project Greenlight producers received
> 7,000 screenplays, with the top prize going to filmmaker *Pete Jones
> *for Stolen
> Summer , the story of a Catholic
> boy who tries to convert his terminally ill Jewish friend (Wow...can you
> believe it only made $134,000) The HBO behind-the-scenes series focused on
> the day-to-day struggles of a director who was clearly over his head, and
> the hilarious confrontations that followed.
> *Cast:* Aidan Quinn, Bonnie Hunt, Kevin Pollak, Brian Dennehy
> *Where Is He Now?* After Stolen Summer, Jones wrote, directed and starred in
> Outing Riley , the story of a
> regular Joe who comes out to his drinking buddies. The film was praised by
> the Gay and Lesbian Alliance, but didn't get much traction beyond that. But
> in 2005, Jones wrote Hall Pass , the
> story of man whose wife gives him permission to sleep around (sounds
> believable), and it was actually
> purchasedby
> the Farrelly Brothers. He also had a role in My
> Big Fat Independent Movie , but
> I'm sure he wants to forget that. He's probably hoping the Farrellys finally
> decide to make Hall Pass their next Something About Mary.
> 
> 
> *Season Two - The Battle of Shaker Heights*
> [image: ShakerHeightsFinal.jpg]
> *Description:* In season two, the competition was split into writing and
> directing categories, presumably to foster some good fight scenes between
> the directors, and writer whose work they were butchering. *Erica Beeney *won
> the writing competition with The Battle of Shaker
> Heights,
> and *Kyle Rankin *and *Efram Potelle *were chosen to direct. As I think
> back, the one thing I remember most about this season was continually
> asking, "Shia who?" I don't say that anymore.
> *Cast:* Shia LaBeouf, Amy Smart, Kathleen Quinlan, William Sadler
> *Where Are They Now?* Kyle Rankin and Efram Potelle's production
> company, Newborn
> Pictures  went on to produce classics like InSex
> and a web series called 
> HellHoles,
> the story of a hapless drifter who buys a new home for a dollar, only to
> discover he's purchased a portal to Hell (I don't know about you, but I
> think I have to see this flick). And the only thing I can find on writer Erica
> Beeneyis
> that she worked on some television pilots, including Ice Road
> Truckers.
> (Please insert "long cold rode to stardom" joke here)
> 
> 
> *Season Three - Feast

[scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick

Going with a comic actor is not a bad idea.  Bixby was known primarily as a 
comic actor when he became David Bruce Banner.  Ditto for Michael Keaton when 
he became the Batman.  When you mentioned Jon Cryer my brain went even further 
out on a limb and thought David Spade.

(So sue me).

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> I've never seen Cryer do drama, just offered up his physical characteristics. 
> Then again, Bill Bixby was a handsome man who wasn't physically frail, but he 
> was an effective David Banner because of his acting ability. He wasn't the 
> weakling of Banner in the comics, but he was a very soft-spoken, gentle soul 
> who worked very well as Banner in the series. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mr. Worf"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:15:17 PM 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I agree, They need an Ed Begley Jr. type actor. Basically someone that does 
> not have that strong physical look and more like a doctor. I don't think John 
> Cryer would be able to pull off the transformation scenes. 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> They need to quit worrying about "name" actors and just get an actor who 
> looks and can play the part. Eric Bana was way too buff and handsome for 
> Banner. Norton was probably closer, but his almost Shakespearean intensity 
> was a bit too much for the skinny, unsure, milksop that is Bruce Banner. I 
> think Phoenix would come off too much like a crazed mad scientist than the 
> "puny Banner" we need. Cast the net far and wide to find the right man, and 
> notoriety be hanged! That's the damn problem with H'Wood all the time. 
> 
> Someone who looks the part, for example, would be Jon Cryer, the whiny 
> brother on "Two and A Half Men". Not saying he *should* do it, but that's the 
> *look* you need for Banner-someone who looks soft and weak, as if he's never 
> seen the sun or the inside of a gym. 
> 
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Daryle Lockhart" < dar...@... > 
> 
> So now I'm hearing they're talking seriously to Joaquin Phoenix. Which is 
> both awesome and frightening at the same time to me. 
> 
> * 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Cinque B wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Marvel: Norton Won't Return As Hulk For 'Avengers'; Norton's Rep Responds 
> 
> 
> Source: Access Hollywood Sun Jul 11, 2010, 8:15 pm EDT 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Edward Norton won't be reprising his role as the Incredible Hulk in 2012's 
> "The Avengers," a Marvel rep confirmed to Access Hollywood on Sunday. 
> 
> Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige explained the decision in 
> a statement to HitFix . 
> 
> VIEW THE PHOTOS: Edward Norton 
> 
> "We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the title 
> role of Bruce Banner in 'The Avengers,'" Feige told the site. "Our decision 
> is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the 
> need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our 
> other talented cast members. 'The Avengers' demands players who thrive 
> working as part of an ensemble, as evidenced by Robert, Chris H, Chris E, 
> Sam, Scarlett, and all of our talented casts. We are looking to announce a 
> name actor who fulfills these requirements, and is passionate about the 
> iconic role in the coming weeks." 
> 
> The actors referred to in the statement include current Marvel stars Robert 
> Downey Jr. (" Iron Man "), Chris Hemsworth ("Thor), Chris Evans ("Captain 
> America: The First Avenger"), Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury), Scarlett 
> Johansson (" Iron Man 2's" Black Widow), who are expected to reprise their 
> superhero roles in team-up film "The Avengers." 
> 
> VIEW THE PHOTOS: Scenes From â The Incredible Hulk â 
> 
> A rep for Norton responded to the statement to Hitfix on Sunday, calling it 
> "purposefully misleading" and claiming that his client had been in 
> discussions to return to the role. 
> 
> "This offensive statement from Kevin Feige at Marvel is a purposefully 
> misleading, inappropriate attempt to paint our client in a negative light," 
> the rep told the site. "Here are the facts: two months ago, Kevin called me 
> and said he wanted Edward to reprise the role of Bruce Banner in 'The 
> Avengers.' He told me it would be his fantasy to bring Edward on stage with 
> the rest of the cast at [Comic-Con] and make it the event of the convention. 
> When I said that Edward was definitely open to this idea, Kevin was very 
> excited and we agreed that Edward should meet with [director] Joss Whedon to 
> discuss the project. Edward and Joss had a very good meeting (confirmed by 
> Feige to me) at which Edward said he was enthusiastic at the prospect of

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[scifinoir2] Re: ATT may also lose AMC

As I stated earlier, this may come to past as there will be nowhere near the 
clamor there was when the House of the Mouse threatened to pull, at different 
junctures, ESPN and the Disney Channels.

~(no)rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I just caught a commercial on AMC stating that ATT may lose AMC as well.
> Looks like they are trying to pull all of the good channels from ATT.
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Upgraded to 21st Century TV and Now Wonder

I am holding on to my land line simply because I had a handset on every level 
of my house and I never have to look for a phone.  

Regarding a sci-fi channel, there is nowhere near enough programing, at least 
not on the level of the treasure trove of western programing Encore's Western 
Channel has at its disposal.  

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
>
> So last week after noticing I hadn't actually used my home phone in more than 
> 7 months, I decided to ditch it. I upgraded my ATT Uverse package and now 
> have actual pay programing which is costing me less than the previous package.
> 
> I was unfamiliar with the encore and starz end of the cable spectrum as I 
> have never had premium channels before. They have western, action, mystery 
> and other genre channels that are none to shabby. I have to wonder why they 
> don't have a sci-fi or speculative fiction channel. It seems a natural. 
> Surely there is bandwidth and programming available? Or am I missing 
> something?
> 
> Bosco
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Top 10 Evil Human Experiments

Wow.  I opened this up thinking it was Top 10 FICTIONAL Evil Human Experiments. 
 Ain't no party like a REAL Top 10 Fictional Evil Human Experiment list.

~rave?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> http://listverse.com/2008/03/14/top-10-evil-human-experiments/Top 10 Evil
> Human Experiments
> 
> Share This - Published March 14, 2008 - 343
> Comments
> 
> *[WARNING] This list contains descriptions and images of human
> experimentation which may cause offense to some readers.]* Human
> experimentation and research ethics evolved over time. On occasion, the
> subjects of human experimentation have been prisoners, slaves, or even
> family 
> members.
> In some notable cases, doctors have performed experiments on
> themselves when they have been unwilling to risk the lives of others. This
> is known as self-experimentation. This is a list of the 10 most evil and
> unethical experiments carried out on humans.
> 10
> Stanford Prison Experiment
> 
> [image: Stanford Prison]
> 
> The Stanford prison experiment was a
> psychologicalstudy
> of human responses to captivity and its behavioral effects on both
> authorities and inmates in prison. The experiment was conducted in 1971 by a
> team of researchers led by psychologist Philip Zimbardo at Stanford
> University. Undergraduate volunteers played the roles of both guards and
> prisoners living in a mock prison in the basement of the Stanford psychology
> building.
> 
> Prisoners and guards rapidly adapted to their roles, stepping beyond the
> boundaries of what had been predicted and leading to dangerous and
> psychologically damaging situations. One-third of the guards were judged to
> have exhibited âgenuineâ sadistic tendencies, while many prisoners were
> emotionally traumatized and two had to be removed from the experiment early.
> Finally, Zimbardo, alarmed at the increasingly abusive anti-social behavior
> from his subjects, terminated the entire experiment early.
> 9
> The Monster Study
> 
> [image: Stuttering]
> 
> The Monster Study was a stuttering experiment on 22 orphan
> childrenin
> Davenport, Iowa, in 1939 conducted by Wendell Johnson at the
> University
> of Iowa. Johnson chose one of his graduate students, Mary Tudor, to conduct
> the experiment and he supervised her research. After placing the children in
> control and experimental groups, Tudor gave positive speech therapy to half
> of the children, praising the fluency of their speech, and negative speech
> therapy to the other half, belittling the children for every speech
> imperfection and telling them they were stutterers. Many of the normal
> speaking orphan children who received negative therapy in the experiment
> suffered negative psychological effects and some retained speech problems
> during the course of their life. Dubbed âThe Monster Studyâ by some of
> Johnsonâs peers who were horrified that he would experiment on orphan
> children to prove a theory, the experiment was kept hidden for fear
> Johnsonâs reputation would be tarnished in the wake of human experiments
> conducted by the Nazis during World War II. The University of Iowa publicly
> apologized for the Monster Study in 2001.
> 8
> Project 4.1
> 
> [image: 300Px-Project 4.1 Figures]
> 
> Project 4.1 was the designation for a medical study conducted by the United
> States of those residents of the Marshall Islands exposed to radioactive
> fallout from the March 1, 1954 Castle Bravo nuclear test at Bikini Atoll,
> which had an unexpectedly large yield. For the first decade after the test,
> the effects were ambiguous and statistically difficult to correlate to
> radiation exposure: miscarriages and stillbirths among exposed Rongelap
> women doubled in the first five years after the accident, but then returned
> to normal; some developmental difficulties and impaired growth appeared in
> children, but in no clear-cut pattern. In the decades that followed, though,
> the effects were undeniable. Children began to suffer disproportionately
> from thyroid 
> cancer(due
> to exposure to radioiodines), and almost a third of those exposed
> developed neoplasms by 1974.
> 
> As a Department of
> EnergyCommittee
> writing on the human radiation experiments wrote, âIt appears to
> have been almost immediately apparent to the AEC and the Joint Task Force
> running the Castle series that research on radiation effects could be done
> in conjunction with the medical treatment of the exposed populations.â The
> DOE report also concluded that âThe dual purpose of what is now a DOE
> medical program has led t

Re: [scifinoir2] Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 Photos)

I hope that he doesn't get drunk and gets into a bar fight. Someone could
hurt their hand. ;)

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:57 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Guy deserves that brewski at the end. He done good...
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
>> Photos)
>>
>> Author: John 
>>
>>- links 
>>
>>  [image: iron man new Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
>> Photos)]
>>
>> Edit: Apparently that’s War Machine, not Iron Man, however I’m not
>> changing the title ’cause I’m drinking Jack Daniels at the moment. Continue
>> with your nerdgasms…
>>  [image: iron man pics 41 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
>> Photos)]
>> [image: iron man pics 01 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
>> Photos)]
>> [image: iron man pics 11 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
>> Photos)]
>> [image: iron man pics 21 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
>> Photos)]
>> [image: iron man suit1 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
>> Photos)]
>> [image: iron man pics 51 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 
>> Photos)]
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
>> Mahogany at:
>> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] Top 10 Evil Human Experiments

I strongly believe that this is a prolonged stage of human development. We
will eventually evolve out of this stage into a more enlightened one. (I
hope.)

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:40 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Ain't humanity WONDERFUL?
>
> Martin (needs t get around to hacking the DoD to launch everything and end
> this vale of tears)
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> http://listverse.com/2008/03/14/top-10-evil-human-experiments/
>> Top 10 Evil Human Experiments
>>
>> Share This- Published March 14, 2008 - 343 
>> Comments
>>
>> *[WARNING] This list contains descriptions and images of human
>> experimentation which may cause offense to some readers.]* Human
>> experimentation and research ethics evolved over time. On occasion, the
>> subjects of human experimentation have been prisoners, slaves, or even
>> family 
>> members. In 
>> some notable cases, doctors have performed experiments on
>> themselves when they have been unwilling to risk the lives of others. This
>> is known as self-experimentation. This is a list of the 10 most evil and
>> unethical experiments carried out on humans.
>> 10
>> Stanford Prison Experiment
>>
>> [image: Stanford Prison]
>>
>> The Stanford prison experiment was a 
>> psychologicalstudy
>>  of human responses to captivity and its behavioral effects on both
>> authorities and inmates in prison. The experiment was conducted in 1971 by a
>> team of researchers led by psychologist Philip Zimbardo at Stanford
>> University. Undergraduate volunteers played the roles of both guards and
>> prisoners living in a mock prison in the basement of the Stanford psychology
>> building.
>>
>> Prisoners and guards rapidly adapted to their roles, stepping beyond the
>> boundaries of what had been predicted and leading to dangerous and
>> psychologically damaging situations. One-third of the guards were judged to
>> have exhibited “genuine” sadistic tendencies, while many prisoners were
>> emotionally traumatized and two had to be removed from the experiment early.
>> Finally, Zimbardo, alarmed at the increasingly abusive anti-social behavior
>> from his subjects, terminated the entire experiment early.
>> 9
>> The Monster Study
>>
>> [image: Stuttering]
>>
>> The Monster Study was a stuttering experiment on 22 orphan 
>> childrenin 
>> Davenport, Iowa, in 1939 conducted by Wendell Johnson at the University
>> of Iowa. Johnson chose one of his graduate students, Mary Tudor, to conduct
>> the experiment and he supervised her research. After placing the children in
>> control and experimental groups, Tudor gave positive speech therapy to half
>> of the children, praising the fluency of their speech, and negative speech
>> therapy to the other half, belittling the children for every speech
>> imperfection and telling them they were stutterers. Many of the normal
>> speaking orphan children who received negative therapy in the experiment
>> suffered negative psychological effects and some retained speech problems
>> during the course of their life. Dubbed “The Monster Study” by some of
>> Johnson’s peers who were horrified that he would experiment on orphan
>> children to prove a theory, the experiment was kept hidden for fear
>> Johnson’s reputation would be tarnished in the wake of human experiments
>> conducted by the Nazis during World War II. The University of Iowa publicly
>> apologized for the Monster Study in 2001.
>> 8
>> Project 4.1
>>
>> [image: 300Px-Project 4.1 Figures]
>>
>> Project 4.1 was the designation for a medical study conducted by the
>> United States of those residents of the Marshall Islands exposed to
>> radioactive fallout from the March 1, 1954 Castle Bravo nuclear test at
>> Bikini Atoll, which had an unexpectedly large yield. For the first decade
>> after the test, the effects were ambiguous and statistically difficult to
>> correlate to radiation exposure: miscarriages and stillbirths among exposed
>> Rongelap women doubled in the first five years after the accident, but then
>> returned to normal; some developmental difficulties and impaired growth
>> appeared in children, but in no clear-cut pattern. In the decades that
>> followed, though, the effects were undeniable. Children began to suffer
>> disproportionately from thyroid 
>> cancer(due 
>> to exposure to radioiodines), and almost a third of those exposed
>> developed neoplasms by 1974.
>>
>> As a Department of 
>> EnergyCommittee
>>  writing on the human radiation experiments wrote, “It appears to
>> have been almost immediately apparent to the AEC and the Joint Task Force
>>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Upgraded to 21st Century TV and Now Wonder

Folks should remember that in case of an emergency the land phone lines will
probably be up faster than anything else.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> I am holding on to my land line simply because I had a handset on every
> level of my house and I never have to look for a phone.
>
> Regarding a sci-fi channel, there is nowhere near enough programing, at
> least not on the level of the treasure trove of western programing Encore's
> Western Channel has at its disposal.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Bosco Bosco  wrote:
> >
> > So last week after noticing I hadn't actually used my home phone in more
> than 7 months, I decided to ditch it. I upgraded my ATT Uverse package and
> now have actual pay programing which is costing me less than the previous
> package.
> >
> > I was unfamiliar with the encore and starz end of the cable spectrum as I
> have never had premium channels before. They have western, action, mystery
> and other genre channels that are none to shabby. I have to wonder why they
> don't have a sci-fi or speculative fiction channel. It seems a natural.
> Surely there is bandwidth and programming available? Or am I missing
> something?
> >
> > Bosco
> >
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
> Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Re: [scifinoir2] ATT may also lose AMC

That's too bad. You missed out on a couple of good shows such as Mad Men.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:42 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Mr Worf, in all honesty, I wouldn't count AMC as a loss. I haven't put my
> TV there in three years.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 12:37 AM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I just caught a commercial on AMC stating that ATT may lose AMC as well.
>> Looks like they are trying to pull all of the good channels from ATT.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
> 




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[scifinoir2] Re: 10 Extremely Weird Religions

The 70's were a very fertile decade for crack-pot religions - as were the end 
of the first millennium and the middle-ages.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
>  http://listverse.com/2009/09/10/10-extremely-weird-religions/Originally, I
> wasn't going to post this, but I noticed that 2 of the groups were African
> American.
> 
> 10 Extremely Weird Religions
> 
> Share This - Published September 10, 2009 by *JFrater* -
> 318 
> Comments
> 
> We have previously published a variety of lists on strange religious
> practices ,
> religions
> you never knew 
> existed,
> and weird cults , but not a
> list of bizarre religions. This list is designed to fill the gap by
> discussing ten religions that most of us have not heard of (for good reason
> as you will see). Be sure to use the comments to tell us about any other
> bizarre religions and, especially, your own experiences of them.
> 
> 10
> Scientology
> 
> [image: 
> Scientology1-2]
> 
> Scientology has featured on a previous list, but if I didnât include it here
> the comments would be inundated with âwhereâs scientology?â questions. 
> The
> Church of Scientology is a cult created by L Ron Hubbard (Elron) in 1952 as
> an outgrowth of his earlier self-help system called Dianetics. The Church of
> Scientology holds that at the higher levels of initiation (OT levels)
> mystical teachings are imparted that may be harmful to unprepared readers.
> These teachings are kept secret from members who have not reached these
> levels. In the OT levels, Hubbard explains how to reverse the effects of
> past-life trauma patterns that supposedly extend millions of years into the
> past. Among these advanced teachings is the story of Xenu (sometimes Xemu),
> introduced as an alien ruler of the âGalactic Confederacy.â According to
> this story, 75 million years ago Xenu brought billions of people to Earth in
> spacecraft resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them around volcanoes
> and detonated hydrogen bombs in the volcanoes. The thetans then clustered
> together, stuck to the bodies of the living, and continue to do this today.
> Scientologists at advanced levels place considerable emphasis on isolating
> body thetans and neutralizing their ill effects.
> 
> 9
> Creativity Movement
> 
> [image: Splc Hale
> 350X4501]
> 
> The Creativity Movement (formerly known as World Church Of The Creator), is
> a white separatist organization that advocates the whites-only religion,
> Creativity. It was also a descriptive phrase used by Ben Klassen, that
> included all adherents of the religion. The use of the term creator does not
> refer to a deity, but rather to themselves (white people). Despite the
> former use of the word Church in its name, the movement is atheistic.
> Creativity is a White Separatist religion that was founded by Ben Klassen in
> early 1973 under the name Church of the Creator. After Klassenâs death in
> 1993, Creativity almost died out as a religion until the New Church of the
> Creator was established three years later by Matthew F. Hale as its Pontifex
> Maximus (high priest), until his incarceration in January 2003 for plotting
> with the movementâs head of security, Anthony Evola (an FBI informant), to
> murder a federal judge.
> 
> 8
> Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth
> 
> [image: Picture
> 2-81]
> 
> Obviously spelling is not a fundamental part of this religion! Thee Temple
> ov Psychick Youth (TOPY) was founded in 1981 by members of Psychic
> TV,
> Coil, Current 93, and a number of other individuals. The ever-evolving
> network is a loosely federated group of people operating as a unique blend
> of artistic collective, and practitioners of magic. TOPY is dedicated to the
> manifestation of magical concepts lacking mysticism or the worship of gods.
> The group focuses on the psychic and magical aspects of the human brain
> linked with âguiltless sexualityâ. Throughout its existence, TOPY has been
> an influential group in the underground Chaos magic scene and in the wider
> western occult tradition. TOPYâs research has covered both Left-hand path
> and Right-hand path magick, various elements of psychology, art, music, and
> a variety of other media. Some of the influences on the network have
> been Aleister
> Crowley ,
> Austin Osman Spare, and Brion Gysin.
> 
> 7
> Nation of Yahweh
> 
> [image: 
> 1Heavensfamilyufosmall]

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Where Are They Now - Project Greenlight Winners

I got the same impression that you did rave. It all kind of comes down to
meeting the right person at the right time and throwing your pitch or
meeting someone who connects you with someone that is looking to do a
project.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> I was fascinated by Project Greenlight and watched Season Two religiously.
>  It was both cringe-inducing and hilarious to watch the attached at the hip
> "twin" directors fumble over each shot - at one point the two of them were
> directing Shia LaBeouf from both the driver and passenger side windows of a
> prop car at the same time.
>
> I was also fascinated that the producers of the show chose "The Battle of
> Shaker Heights," which plays like an earnest after school special, as a
> feature film project. Failure was eminent and predicable.
>
> I learned two things from "Project Greenlight": nobody knows anything and
> the best way to make it in Hollywood is to  know or be related to somebody -
> their most successful film came from John Gulager who is the son of
> character actor Clu Gulager.
>
> Oh, yeah, I learned one more thing: when all else fails, make some schlock.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> >  Where Are They Now - Project Greenlight
> > Winners<
> http://www.yesbutnobutyes.com/archives/2009/05/where_are_they_41.html>
> > Posted by Jellio 
> >  2 Comments<
> http://www.yesbutnobutyes.com/archives/2009/05/where_are_they_41.html#comments
> >
> >
> > [image: PGFinal.jpg]
> >
> > I'm not sure what made me think of Project
> > Greenlight,
> > recently. Was it last week's opening of the Tribeca Film
> > Festivalthat made me think of
> > the HBO competition from a few years back? Or maybe it
> > was the sudden reemergence of Ben Affleck, in films like State of Play,
> and
> > Extract  (which looks pretty
> > funny). Or maybe it was the Matt Damon
> > cameoduring Finding
> > Forrester (he does alot of those).
> >
> > Oh well, whatever it was, now that I've got it in my head, I'll have to
> look
> > all over the Internet, or at least
> > Wikipedia,
> > to find out if the winners ever went on to bigger and better things.
> >
> > *Season One - Stolen Summer*
> > [image: StolenSummerFinal.jpg]
> > *Description:* In its premiere season, Project Greenlight producers
> received
> > 7,000 screenplays, with the top prize going to filmmaker *Pete Jones
> > *for Stolen
> > Summer , the story of a
> Catholic
> > boy who tries to convert his terminally ill Jewish friend (Wow...can you
> > believe it only made $134,000) The HBO behind-the-scenes series focused
> on
> > the day-to-day struggles of a director who was clearly over his head, and
> > the hilarious confrontations that followed.
> > *Cast:* Aidan Quinn, Bonnie Hunt, Kevin Pollak, Brian Dennehy
> > *Where Is He Now?* After Stolen Summer, Jones wrote, directed and starred
> in
> > Outing Riley , the story of
> a
> > regular Joe who comes out to his drinking buddies. The film was praised
> by
> > the Gay and Lesbian Alliance, but didn't get much traction beyond that.
> But
> > in 2005, Jones wrote Hall Pass ,
> the
> > story of man whose wife gives him permission to sleep around (sounds
> > believable), and it was actually
> > purchased<
> http://movies.about.com/od/moviesinproduction/a/hallpass091905.htm>by
> > the Farrelly Brothers. He also had a role in My
> > Big Fat Independent Movie ,
> but
> > I'm sure he wants to forget that. He's probably hoping the Farrellys
> finally
> > decide to make Hall Pass their next Something About Mary.
> >
> >
> > *Season Two - The Battle of Shaker Heights*
> > [image: ShakerHeightsFinal.jpg]
> > *Description:* In season two, the competition was split into writing and
> > directing categories, presumably to foster some good fight scenes between
> > the directors, and writer whose work they were butchering. *Erica Beeney
> *won
> > the writing competition with The Battle of Shaker
> > Heights,
> > and *Kyle Rankin *and *Efram Potelle *were chosen to direct. As I think
> > back, the one thing I remember most about this season was continually
> > asking, "Shia who?" I don't say that anymore.
> > *Cast:* Shia LaBeouf, Amy Smart, Kathleen Quinlan, William Sadler
> > *Where Are They Now?* Kyle Rankin and Efram Potelle's production
> > company, Newborn
> > Pictures  went on to produce classics like
> InSex
> > and a web series called HellHoles<
> http://www.atom.com/funny_videos/hellholes/>,
> > the story of a hapless dri

Re: [scifinoir2] Tesla May Get Some Company: The Supercar Goes Electric

BMW is also working on a super hybrid as well. They were all pretty much won
over a couple of years ago when an electric was entered into one of the road
races in Europe. It did extremely well but wasn't allowed to finish.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> They've got it on the boards right now, I hear.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Porchea and Ferrari are both working on one as well. Although I think
>> Ferrari will probably do a hybrid first.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Martin Baxter 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm impressed.
>>>
>>> But the Veyron still owns the better part of me.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Mr. Worf wrote:
>>>

 Tesla May Get Some Company: The Supercar Goes Electric

 *CHARGE!* SLS AMG E-Cell has an electric motor powering each of the
 wheels. More Photos 
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  By LAWRENCE ULRICH Published: July 8, 2010

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 INTRODUCED in New York in 1954, the Mercedes-Benz 300SL was a stunningly
 advanced machine, the first production car to trade a carburetor for fuel
 injection.
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More 
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  11, 2010)

   Now, with the SLS AMG echoing the style of that original gullwing
 sports car, Mercedes may produce an electric version that could give the
 company environmental bragging rights. Mercedes is testing the prototype 
 SLS
 AMG E-Cell, in which the standard model’s 563-horsepower gasoline V-8 has
 been replaced with four electric motors, one powering each wheel, that 
 spool
 up 535 horsepower and 649 pound-feet of peak torque.

 Mercedes estimates a 0-to-60 time of four seconds flat for the electric
 SLS, just a few tenths slower than the gasoline version. Power is stored in
 a liquid-cooled 
 lithium-ion
 battery; brakes capture energy and return it to the battery.

 Ola Kallenius, chairman of Mercedes’s AMG high-performance division,
 said the company was considering a small production run for the SLS E-Cell.

 At a recent presentation for the car in Norway, a retired Formula 
 Oneracer,
  David Coulthard, tested the E-Cell on an airstrip and public roads.
 His drive and commentary were documented on Web video. “My first experience
 of an electric 
 car,”
 Mr. Coulthard said, emerging from the E-Cell with a grin. “You will not
 believe the performance.”

 The E-Cell, along with cars like the new S400 hybrid sedan, sh

Re: [scifinoir2] Top 10 Errors in Science Fiction Movies

They kind of left out the incredible problems with diseases that could be
transmitted by human / alien contact. Just breathing on an alien (or a human
with no immune system) is a death sentence.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:55 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Mr Worf, this goes back to the lack of science advisers in SF movies.
> Again, blame H'Wood. I do.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Top 10 Errors in Science Fiction Movies
>>
>> Share This- Published November 23, 2007 - 5500249 Comments
>> http://listverse.com/2007/11/23/top-10-errors-in-science-fiction-movies/
>> Top+10+Errors+in+Science+Fiction+Movies2007-11-23+11%3A22%3A44jfrater
>>
>> Science Fiction movies are great for expanding the mind and showing us
>> things we may never get to see in real life. Unfortunately though, they all
>> seem to make the same fundamental errors regarding true science. This is a
>> list of the top 10 errors in Science Fiction movies.
>>
>> 10. Simplicity
>>
>> [image: 574Px-M87 
>> Jet]
>>
>> This is less a crime of commission than one of omission. Space is full of
>> wonders we cannot even begin to understand, yet most science fiction films
>> are based in a very simplistic environment and do not even begin to
>> investigate the wonderful possibilities that science fiction offers us. We
>> don’t see interplanetary tunnels, aliens on planets around pulsars,
>> creatures living on dead suns, alien life forms that inhabit the edges of
>> supermassive black holes, or so many of the other thought provoking
>> scenarios. Let’s spice up our science fiction movies!
>>
>> 9. Simplistic Planets
>>
>> [image: 133946 Tatooine 
>> L]
>>
>> This is particularly evident in the Star Wars movies. Whenever a planet is
>> introduced in a science fiction film, it has one equal ecological system
>> across the entire planet – for example, it might be entirely covered in snow
>> – or entirely covered in sand. If people are living on these planets, they
>> must be providing water and other important things needed for survival.
>> This, in turn, would suggest that the planet ought to have a well developed
>> complex ecosystem which varies from region to region – for example ice at
>> the poles and arid land at the center (this is just an example of course).
>>
>> 8. Alien / Human Breeding
>>
>> [image: Spock-1]
>>
>> This is often seen in Star Trek – for example Spock – he was half human
>> and half Vulcan. It is not even possible for human/ape crossbreeds to occur
>> due to genetic differences, it is inconceivable that a human and an alien
>> might be able to crossbreed. There are, of course, additional problems: how
>> do you perform the cross breeding if the alien does not have sexual organs
>> or the means to extract the necessary seeds of life?
>>
>> 7. Alien / Human communication
>>
>> [image: Dish] 
>>
>> If aliens did exist, it would be extremely unlikely that we could
>> communicate with them in a very short amount of time. In addition to the
>> regular problems in translating an entirely unknown language, we would also
>> have to consider a society that probably involves concepts we do not
>> understand at all. Imagine an alien race trying to understand God if they
>> have never had a notion of religion in their society. Of course, none of
>> this matters if the aliens communicate with their minds or non-audible means
>> – it would be impossible for us to communicate at all with a race that has
>> no concept of sight and sound.
>>
>> 6. Instant Communications
>>
>> [image: Contact Large 
>> 15]
>>
>> Even if we did use light particles/waves to transmit radio data, the vast
>> distances in space would make instant radio communication impossible. A rare
>> exception to this flaw is in the movie Contact; as the camera draws away
>> from the earth we hear the radio emanations getting progressively older
>> until you finally reach silence. This trick is very effectively used to show
>> just how massive space is.
>>
>>
>>
>> 5. Humanoid Aliens
>>
>> [image: 
>> Aliennewstag7]
>>
>> This is endemic on the various Star Trek series, where creatures from
>> entirely different sectors of the Universe look just like Humans except for
>> the occasional bulging ridge on their foreheads, etc. Humans evolved on
>> earth in order to meet a very specific criteria for survival – the
>> presumption that this is true of all other planets is ridiculous.
>>
>> 4. Explosions in Space
>>
>> [image: 
>> Explosion2004]

[scifinoir2] Re: Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7 Photos)

Looks like the kinda dude you can sit down and have a beer with.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7
> Photos)
> 
> Author: John 
> 
>- links 
> 
>  [image: iron man new Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7
> Photos)]
> 
> Edit: Apparently thatâs War Machine, not Iron Man, however Iâm not 
> changing
> the title âcause Iâm drinking Jack Daniels at the moment. Continue with 
> your
> nerdgasmsâ¦
>  [image: iron man pics 41 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7
> Photos)]
> [image: iron man pics 01 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7
> Photos)]
> [image: iron man pics 11 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7
> Photos)]
> [image: iron man pics 21 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7
> Photos)]
> [image: iron man suit1 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7
> Photos)]
> [image: iron man pics 51 Dude builds entire Iron Man suit (7
> Photos)]
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Where Are They Now - Project Greenlight Winners

2010-07-13 Thread B Smith

Feast was one of the most fun, low budget horror movies I've seen in a long 
time. I had a Halloween double feature of Feast and Slither the year they came 
out and we had a ball. The sequels are in my Netflix queue.

I liked the show quite a bit and I'm glad the third season winner was something 
beyond the typical indie fare.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> I got the same impression that you did rave. It all kind of comes down to
> meeting the right person at the right time and throwing your pitch or
> meeting someone who connects you with someone that is looking to do a
> project.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 5:02 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:
> 
> > I was fascinated by Project Greenlight and watched Season Two religiously.
> >  It was both cringe-inducing and hilarious to watch the attached at the hip
> > "twin" directors fumble over each shot - at one point the two of them were
> > directing Shia LaBeouf from both the driver and passenger side windows of a
> > prop car at the same time.
> >
> > I was also fascinated that the producers of the show chose "The Battle of
> > Shaker Heights," which plays like an earnest after school special, as a
> > feature film project. Failure was eminent and predicable.
> >
> > I learned two things from "Project Greenlight": nobody knows anything and
> > the best way to make it in Hollywood is to  know or be related to somebody -
> > their most successful film came from John Gulager who is the son of
> > character actor Clu Gulager.
> >
> > Oh, yeah, I learned one more thing: when all else fails, make some schlock.
> >
> > ~rave!
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> > >
> > >  Where Are They Now - Project Greenlight
> > > Winners<
> > http://www.yesbutnobutyes.com/archives/2009/05/where_are_they_41.html>
> > > Posted by Jellio 
> > >  2 Comments<
> > http://www.yesbutnobutyes.com/archives/2009/05/where_are_they_41.html#comments
> > >
> > >
> > > [image: PGFinal.jpg]
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what made me think of Project
> > > Greenlight,
> > > recently. Was it last week's opening of the Tribeca Film
> > > Festivalthat made me think of
> > > the HBO competition from a few years back? Or maybe it
> > > was the sudden reemergence of Ben Affleck, in films like State of Play,
> > and
> > > Extract  (which looks pretty
> > > funny). Or maybe it was the Matt Damon
> > > cameoduring Finding
> > > Forrester (he does alot of those).
> > >
> > > Oh well, whatever it was, now that I've got it in my head, I'll have to
> > look
> > > all over the Internet, or at least
> > > Wikipedia,
> > > to find out if the winners ever went on to bigger and better things.
> > >
> > > *Season One - Stolen Summer*
> > > [image: StolenSummerFinal.jpg]
> > > *Description:* In its premiere season, Project Greenlight producers
> > received
> > > 7,000 screenplays, with the top prize going to filmmaker *Pete Jones
> > > *for Stolen
> > > Summer , the story of a
> > Catholic
> > > boy who tries to convert his terminally ill Jewish friend (Wow...can you
> > > believe it only made $134,000) The HBO behind-the-scenes series focused
> > on
> > > the day-to-day struggles of a director who was clearly over his head, and
> > > the hilarious confrontations that followed.
> > > *Cast:* Aidan Quinn, Bonnie Hunt, Kevin Pollak, Brian Dennehy
> > > *Where Is He Now?* After Stolen Summer, Jones wrote, directed and starred
> > in
> > > Outing Riley , the story of
> > a
> > > regular Joe who comes out to his drinking buddies. The film was praised
> > by
> > > the Gay and Lesbian Alliance, but didn't get much traction beyond that.
> > But
> > > in 2005, Jones wrote Hall Pass ,
> > the
> > > story of man whose wife gives him permission to sleep around (sounds
> > > believable), and it was actually
> > > purchased<
> > http://movies.about.com/od/moviesinproduction/a/hallpass091905.htm>by
> > > the Farrelly Brothers. He also had a role in My
> > > Big Fat Independent Movie ,
> > but
> > > I'm sure he wants to forget that. He's probably hoping the Farrellys
> > finally
> > > decide to make Hall Pass their next Something About Mary.
> > >
> > >
> > > *Season Two - The Battle of Shaker Heights*
> > > [image: ShakerHeightsFinal.jpg]
> > > *Description:* In season two, the competition was split into writing and
> > > directing categories, presumably to foster some good fight scenes between
> > > the directors, and writer whose work they were butchering. *Erica Beeney
> > *won
> > > the writing competition with The Battle of Shaker
> > > Heights

Re: [scifinoir2] Man builds War Machine suit

2010-07-13 Thread Amy Harlib

ahar...@earthlink.net
WOW!   'Nuff said!
Amy

From: Mr. Worf 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:16 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Man builds War Machine suit

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Re: [scifinoir2] Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick

2010-07-13 Thread George Arterberry

The cash is going toward effects. I'm sure Robert Downey Jr. will take % points 
instead of a salary if his agent had half a brain.

I doubt Banner would get much "face-time" in the Avengers movie anyway. More 
like "Hulk come down this semi so we can attack Galactus.





From: Martin Baxter 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 2:18:00 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick

  
Keith, if they want "flavor-of-the- week", Michael Cera would be a great fit 
for 
Banner as well. And the character would have to be written, IMO, the way he's 
been done post-World War Hulk, after Banner and the Hulk were separated, and 
Banner became a truly scary bastich who played mind games with everyone around 
him.


On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:

  
>They need to quit worrying about "name" actors and just get an actor who looks 
>and can play the part. Eric Bana was way too buff and handsome for Banner. 
>Norton was probably closer, but his almost Shakespearean intensity was a bit 
>too 
>much for the skinny, unsure, milksop that is Bruce Banner. I think Phoenix 
>would 
>come off too much like a crazed mad scientist than the "puny Banner" we need.  
>Cast the net far and wide to find the right man, and notoriety be hanged! 
>That's 
>the damn problem with H'Wood all the time.
>
>Someone who looks the part, for example, would be Jon Cryer, the whiny brother 
>on "Two and A Half Men". Not saying he *should* do it, but that's the *look* 
>you 
>need for Banner-someone who looks soft and weak, as if he's never seen the sun 
>or the inside of a gym.
>
> * * * *
>- Original Message -
>From: "Daryle Lockhart" 
>
>So  now I'm hearing they're talking  seriously  to  Joaquin Phoenix. Which  is 
>both  awesome and frightening at the same time to me. 
>
>
> * * * * *
>
>
>
>On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Cinque B wrote:
>
>Marvel: Norton Won't Return As Hulk For 'Avengers'; Norton's Rep Responds
>>Source: Access Hollywood Sun Jul 11, 2010, 8:15 pm EDT 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>Edward Norton won't be reprising his role as the Incredible Hulk in 2012's 
>>"The 
>>Avengers," a Marvel rep confirmed to Access Hollywood on Sunday.
>>Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige explained the decision in 
>>a 
>>statement to HitFix.
>>VIEW THE PHOTOS: Edward Norton 
>>"We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the title 
>>role 
>>of Bruce Banner in 'The Avengers,'" Feige told the site. "Our decision is 
>>definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the need 
>>for 
>>an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other 
>>talented cast members. 'The Avengers' demands players who thrive working as 
>>part 
>>of an ensemble, as evidenced by Robert, Chris H, Chris E, Sam, Scarlett, and 
>>all 
>>of our talented casts. We are looking to announce a name actor who fulfills 
>>these requirements, and is passionate about the iconic role in the coming 
>>weeks."
>>The actors referred to in the statement include current Marvel stars Robert 
>>Downey Jr. (" Iron Man "), Chris Hemsworth ("Thor), Chris Evans ("Captain 
>>America: The First Avenger"), Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury), Scarlett 
>>Johansson 
>>(" Iron Man 2's" Black Widow), who are expected to reprise their superhero 
>>roles 
>>in team-up film "The Avengers."
>>VIEW THE PHOTOS: Scenes From ‘ The Incredible Hulk ’ 
>>A rep for Norton responded to the statement to Hitfix on Sunday, calling it 
>>"purposefully misleading" and claiming that his client had been in 
>>discussions 
>>to return to the role.
>>"This offensive statement from Kevin Feige at Marvel is a purposefully 
>>misleading, inappropriate attempt to paint our client in a negative light," 
>>the 
>>rep told the site. "Here are the facts: two months ago, Kevin called me and 
>>said 
>>he wanted Edward to reprise the role of Bruce Banner in 'The Avengers.' He 
>>told 
>>me it would be his fantasy to bring Edward on stage with the rest of the cast 
>>at 
>>[Comic-Con] and make it the event of the convention. When I said that Edward 
>>was 
>>definitely open to this idea, Kevin was very excited and we agreed that 
>>Edward 
>>should meet with [director] Joss Whedon to discuss the project. Edward and 
>>Joss 
>>had a very good meeting (confirmed by Feige to me) at which Edward said he 
>>was 
>>enthusiastic at the prospect of being a part of the ensemble cast."
>>However, the rep further claimed, the talks fell apart last week.
>>VIEW THE PHOTOS: Fan Candy : Superheroes, Sci-Fi & Beyond ! 
>>"Marvel subsequently made him a financial offer to be in the film and both 
>>sides 
>>started negotiating in good faith," he told Hitfix. "This past Wednesday, 
>>after 
>>several weeks of civil, uncontentious discussions, but before we had come to 
>>terms on a deal, a r

Re: [scifinoir2] Kevin Bacon Vs The X-Men?

2010-07-13 Thread George Arterberry

This has camp ala "Punisher-War-Zone' written all over it.



 




From: Martin Baxter 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 13, 2010 1:50:40 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Kevin Bacon Vs The X-Men?

  
I could see him playing Henry Gyrich.


On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:53 PM, brent wodehouse  wrote:

  
>http://www.empireon line.com/ news/story. asp?NID=28329
>
>12 July 2010
>
>Kevin Bacon Vs The X-Men?
>
>In talks for the First Class villain
>
>Source: Deadline
>
>The cast of Matthew Vaughn’s X-Men: First Class could all see their number
>in the Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon game go down by a few digits - the actor
>has been offered the role of the main villain in the movie.
>
>While the exact details of the bad guy is unknown, Deadline reports that
>Bacon is in talks to snatch the role, which would see him facing off
>against James McAvoy’s Professor Charles Xavier, Michael Fassbender’s Erik
>Lensherr and the young mutants they’re training to help the world.
>
>There has been a flurry of casting on the film in recent weeks, with the
>likes of Nicholas Hoult (Beast), Caleb Landry Jones (Banshee), Alice Eve
>(Emma Frost) and Lucas Till (Havoc) all signing on, with the likelihood of
>a few more to come.
>
>With a script re-written by Vaughn and regular collaborator Jane Goldman,
>X-Men: First Class will start shooting next month.
>
>James White
>
>


-- 
"If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell 
wrote 
the script?" -- Charles E Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

Re: [scifinoir2] Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick

I wonder if Cera might not be a bit too young? I don't follow Hulk. What's up 
with Banner's behaviour? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:18:00 AM 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick 

Keith, if they want "flavor-of-the-week", Michael Cera would be a great fit for 
Banner as well. And the character would have to be written, IMO, the way he's 
been done post-World War Hulk, after Banner and the Hulk were separated, and 
Banner became a truly scary bastich who played mind games with everyone around 
him. 

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 

They need to quit worrying about "name" actors and just get an actor who looks 
and can play the part. Eric Bana was way too buff and handsome for Banner. 
Norton was probably closer, but his almost Shakespearean intensity was a bit 
too much for the skinny, unsure, milksop that is Bruce Banner. I think Phoenix 
would come off too much like a crazed mad scientist than the "puny Banner" we 
need. Cast the net far and wide to find the right man, and notoriety be hanged! 
That's the damn problem with H'Wood all the time. 

Someone who looks the part, for example, would be Jon Cryer, the whiny brother 
on "Two and A Half Men". Not saying he *should* do it, but that's the *look* 
you need for Banner-someone who looks soft and weak, as if he's never seen the 
sun or the inside of a gym. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Daryle Lockhart" < dar...@darylelockhart.com > 

So now I'm hearing they're talking seriously to Joaquin Phoenix. Which is both 
awesome and frightening at the same time to me. 

* 

On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Cinque B wrote: 

Marvel: Norton Won't Return As Hulk For 'Avengers'; Norton's Rep Responds 

Source: Access Hollywood Sun Jul 11, 2010, 8:15 pm EDT 

Edward Norton won't be reprising his role as the Incredible Hulk in 2012's "The 
Avengers," a Marvel rep confirmed to Access Hollywood on Sunday. 

Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige explained the decision in a 
statement to HitFix . 

VIEW THE PHOTOS: Edward Norton 

"We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the title 
role of Bruce Banner in 'The Avengers,'" Feige told the site. "Our decision is 
definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the need 
for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our other 
talented cast members. 'The Avengers' demands players who thrive working as 
part of an ensemble, as evidenced by Robert, Chris H, Chris E, Sam, Scarlett, 
and all of our talented casts. We are looking to announce a name actor who 
fulfills these requirements, and is passionate about the iconic role in the 
coming weeks." 

The actors referred to in the statement include current Marvel stars Robert 
Downey Jr. (" Iron Man "), Chris Hemsworth ("Thor), Chris Evans ("Captain 
America: The First Avenger"), Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury), Scarlett Johansson 
(" Iron Man 2's" Black Widow), who are expected to reprise their superhero 
roles in team-up film "The Avengers." 

VIEW THE PHOTOS: Scenes From ‘ The Incredible Hulk ’ 

A rep for Norton responded to the statement to Hitfix on Sunday, calling it 
"purposefully misleading" and claiming that his client had been in discussions 
to return to the role. 

"This offensive statement from Kevin Feige at Marvel is a purposefully 
misleading, inappropriate attempt to paint our client in a negative light," the 
rep told the site. "Here are the facts: two months ago, Kevin called me and 
said he wanted Edward to reprise the role of Bruce Banner in 'The Avengers.' He 
told me it would be his fantasy to bring Edward on stage with the rest of the 
cast at [Comic-Con] and make it the event of the convention. When I said that 
Edward was definitely open to this idea, Kevin was very excited and we agreed 
that Edward should meet with [director] Joss Whedon to discuss the project. 
Edward and Joss had a very good meeting (confirmed by Feige to me) at which 
Edward said he was enthusiastic at the prospect of being a part of the ensemble 
cast." 

However, the rep further claimed, the talks fell apart last week. 

VIEW THE PHOTOS: Fan Candy : Superheroes, Sci-Fi & Beyond ! 

"Marvel subsequently made him a financial offer to be in the film and both 
sides started negotiating in good faith," he told Hitfix. "This past Wednesday, 
after several weeks of civil, uncontentious discussions, but before we had come 
to terms on a deal, a representative from Marvel called to say they had decided 
to go in another direction with the part. This seemed to us to be a financial 
decision but, whatever the case, it is completely their prerogative, and we 
accepted their decision with no hard feelings...

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick

I *really* don't see Spade! Next you'll be recommending Rob Schneider or 
(shudder!) Paulie Shore! :( 

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:10:58 AM 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick 






Going with a comic actor is not a bad idea. Bixby was known primarily as a 
comic actor when he became David Bruce Banner. Ditto for Michael Keaton when he 
became the Batman. When you mentioned Jon Cryer my brain went even further out 
on a limb and thought David Spade. 

(So sue me). 

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> I've never seen Cryer do drama, just offered up his physical characteristics. 
> Then again, Bill Bixby was a handsome man who wasn't physically frail, but he 
> was an effective David Banner because of his acting ability. He wasn't the 
> weakling of Banner in the comics, but he was a very soft-spoken, gentle soul 
> who worked very well as Banner in the series. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mr. Worf"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:15:17 PM 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I agree, They need an Ed Begley Jr. type actor. Basically someone that does 
> not have that strong physical look and more like a doctor. I don't think John 
> Cryer would be able to pull off the transformation scenes. 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> They need to quit worrying about "name" actors and just get an actor who 
> looks and can play the part. Eric Bana was way too buff and handsome for 
> Banner. Norton was probably closer, but his almost Shakespearean intensity 
> was a bit too much for the skinny, unsure, milksop that is Bruce Banner. I 
> think Phoenix would come off too much like a crazed mad scientist than the 
> "puny Banner" we need. Cast the net far and wide to find the right man, and 
> notoriety be hanged! That's the damn problem with H'Wood all the time. 
> 
> Someone who looks the part, for example, would be Jon Cryer, the whiny 
> brother on "Two and A Half Men". Not saying he *should* do it, but that's the 
> *look* you need for Banner-someone who looks soft and weak, as if he's never 
> seen the sun or the inside of a gym. 
> 
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Daryle Lockhart" < dar...@... > 
> 
> So now I'm hearing they're talking seriously to Joaquin Phoenix. Which is 
> both awesome and frightening at the same time to me. 
> 
> * 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Cinque B wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Marvel: Norton Won't Return As Hulk For 'Avengers'; Norton's Rep Responds 
> 
> 
> Source: Access Hollywood Sun Jul 11, 2010, 8:15 pm EDT 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Edward Norton won't be reprising his role as the Incredible Hulk in 2012's 
> "The Avengers," a Marvel rep confirmed to Access Hollywood on Sunday. 
> 
> Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige explained the decision in 
> a statement to HitFix . 
> 
> VIEW THE PHOTOS: Edward Norton 
> 
> "We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the title 
> role of Bruce Banner in 'The Avengers,'" Feige told the site. "Our decision 
> is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the 
> need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our 
> other talented cast members. 'The Avengers' demands players who thrive 
> working as part of an ensemble, as evidenced by Robert, Chris H, Chris E, 
> Sam, Scarlett, and all of our talented casts. We are looking to announce a 
> name actor who fulfills these requirements, and is passionate about the 
> iconic role in the coming weeks." 
> 
> The actors referred to in the statement include current Marvel stars Robert 
> Downey Jr. (" Iron Man "), Chris Hemsworth ("Thor), Chris Evans ("Captain 
> America: The First Avenger"), Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury), Scarlett 
> Johansson (" Iron Man 2's" Black Widow), who are expected to reprise their 
> superhero roles in team-up film "The Avengers." 
> 
> VIEW THE PHOTOS: Scenes From â€˜ The Incredible Hulk â€™ 
> 
> A rep for Norton responded to the statement to Hitfix on Sunday, calling it 
> "purposefully misleading" and claiming that his client had been in 
> discussions to return to the role. 
> 
> "This offensive statement from Kevin Feige at Marvel is a purposefully 
> misleading, inappropriate attempt to paint our client in a negative light," 
> the rep told the site. "Here are the facts: two months ago, Kevin called me 
> and said he wanted Edward to reprise the role of Bruce Banner in 'The 
> Avengers.' He told me it would be his fantasy to bring Edward on stage with 
> the rest of the cast at [Comic-Con] and make it the event of the convention.

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick

I have no issue with comedic actors though, since H'Wood is replete with 
comedians who turned out to be amazing dramatic actors: Whoopi Goldberg, Robin 
Williams, Richard Pryor (who never got a vehicle to showcase how could he could 
have been dramatically), etc. 
Many people probably don't know that Eric Bana is really an accomplished 
comedian with a background that's more reminiscent of old vaudeville than what 
we see in America nowadays. Movies like the first Hulk, Syrianna, Troy, etc., 
coupled with his physique and looks, have him labeled as a serious/romantic 
actor, but comedy is his first gig. Hugh Jackman is the same way. A tall, buff, 
handsome guy who quickly gets considered for action/dramatic/romantic roles, 
he's an accomplished song-and-dance man like those of old. 

I guess I can see why so many Aussie and Brit actors get work in America: it 
seems more of them still come from the old school systems where they're 
expected to do plays and learn a bunch of skills for stage as well as just 
screen. It's why the likes of Patrick Stewart or others can fluidly move from 
drama to comedy, futuristic scifi to period pieces, TV to movies to one man 
shows on stage. In America, so many of the up-and-comers want to be famous 
instantly, they try to jump immediately to movies. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Keith Johnson"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:24:28 PM 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" 
Flick 

I *really* don't see Spade! Next you'll be recommending Rob Schneider or 
(shudder!) Paulie Shore! :( 

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 8:10:58 AM 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick 

Going with a comic actor is not a bad idea. Bixby was known primarily as a 
comic actor when he became David Bruce Banner. Ditto for Michael Keaton when he 
became the Batman. When you mentioned Jon Cryer my brain went even further out 
on a limb and thought David Spade. 

(So sue me). 

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> I've never seen Cryer do drama, just offered up his physical characteristics. 
> Then again, Bill Bixby was a handsome man who wasn't physically frail, but he 
> was an effective David Banner because of his acting ability. He wasn't the 
> weakling of Banner in the comics, but he was a very soft-spoken, gentle soul 
> who worked very well as Banner in the series. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Mr. Worf"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 6:15:17 PM 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I agree, They need an Ed Begley Jr. type actor. Basically someone that does 
> not have that strong physical look and more like a doctor. I don't think John 
> Cryer would be able to pull off the transformation scenes. 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> They need to quit worrying about "name" actors and just get an actor who 
> looks and can play the part. Eric Bana was way too buff and handsome for 
> Banner. Norton was probably closer, but his almost Shakespearean intensity 
> was a bit too much for the skinny, unsure, milksop that is Bruce Banner. I 
> think Phoenix would come off too much like a crazed mad scientist than the 
> "puny Banner" we need. Cast the net far and wide to find the right man, and 
> notoriety be hanged! That's the damn problem with H'Wood all the time. 
> 
> Someone who looks the part, for example, would be Jon Cryer, the whiny 
> brother on "Two and A Half Men". Not saying he *should* do it, but that's the 
> *look* you need for Banner-someone who looks soft and weak, as if he's never 
> seen the sun or the inside of a gym. 
> 
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Daryle Lockhart" < dar...@... > 
> 
> So now I'm hearing they're talking seriously to Joaquin Phoenix. Which is 
> both awesome and frightening at the same time to me. 
> 
> * 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Cinque B wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Marvel: Norton Won't Return As Hulk For 'Avengers'; Norton's Rep Responds 
> 
> 
> Source: Access Hollywood Sun Jul 11, 2010, 8:15 pm EDT 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Edward Norton won't be reprising his role as the Incredible Hulk in 2012's 
> "The Avengers," a Marvel rep confirmed to Access Hollywood on Sunday. 
> 
> Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige explained the decision in 
> a statement to HitFix . 
> 
> VIEW THE PHOTOS: Edward Norton 
> 
> "We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the title 
> role of Bruce Banner in 'The Avengers,'" Feige told the site. "Our decision 
> is definitely not one based on monetary factors, bu

[scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick

2010-07-13 Thread B Smith

Bruce Banner hasn't been the puny Banner stereotype for a long time. Banner is 
a bit of a snarky so and so and that could lead to some nice exchanges with 
Downey and Jackson. Norton played him just right but unfortunately he was such 
a pain to work with he was dropped.

Michael Cera is way too young. Jason Bateman on the other hand could be awesome.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> I wonder if Cera might not be a bit too young? I don't follow Hulk. What's up 
> with Banner's behaviour? 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:18:00 AM 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Keith, if they want "flavor-of-the-week", Michael Cera would be a great fit 
> for Banner as well. And the character would have to be written, IMO, the way 
> he's been done post-World War Hulk, after Banner and the Hulk were separated, 
> and Banner became a truly scary bastich who played mind games with everyone 
> around him. 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> They need to quit worrying about "name" actors and just get an actor who 
> looks and can play the part. Eric Bana was way too buff and handsome for 
> Banner. Norton was probably closer, but his almost Shakespearean intensity 
> was a bit too much for the skinny, unsure, milksop that is Bruce Banner. I 
> think Phoenix would come off too much like a crazed mad scientist than the 
> "puny Banner" we need. Cast the net far and wide to find the right man, and 
> notoriety be hanged! That's the damn problem with H'Wood all the time. 
> 
> Someone who looks the part, for example, would be Jon Cryer, the whiny 
> brother on "Two and A Half Men". Not saying he *should* do it, but that's the 
> *look* you need for Banner-someone who looks soft and weak, as if he's never 
> seen the sun or the inside of a gym. 
> 
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Daryle Lockhart" < dar...@... > 
> 
> So now I'm hearing they're talking seriously to Joaquin Phoenix. Which is 
> both awesome and frightening at the same time to me. 
> 
> * 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Cinque B wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Marvel: Norton Won't Return As Hulk For 'Avengers'; Norton's Rep Responds 
> 
> 
> Source: Access Hollywood Sun Jul 11, 2010, 8:15 pm EDT 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Edward Norton won't be reprising his role as the Incredible Hulk in 2012's 
> "The Avengers," a Marvel rep confirmed to Access Hollywood on Sunday. 
> 
> Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige explained the decision in 
> a statement to HitFix . 
> 
> VIEW THE PHOTOS: Edward Norton 
> 
> "We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the title 
> role of Bruce Banner in 'The Avengers,'" Feige told the site. "Our decision 
> is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the 
> need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our 
> other talented cast members. 'The Avengers' demands players who thrive 
> working as part of an ensemble, as evidenced by Robert, Chris H, Chris E, 
> Sam, Scarlett, and all of our talented casts. We are looking to announce a 
> name actor who fulfills these requirements, and is passionate about the 
> iconic role in the coming weeks." 
> 
> The actors referred to in the statement include current Marvel stars Robert 
> Downey Jr. (" Iron Man "), Chris Hemsworth ("Thor), Chris Evans ("Captain 
> America: The First Avenger"), Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury), Scarlett 
> Johansson (" Iron Man 2's" Black Widow), who are expected to reprise their 
> superhero roles in team-up film "The Avengers." 
> 
> VIEW THE PHOTOS: Scenes From â The Incredible Hulk â 
> 
> A rep for Norton responded to the statement to Hitfix on Sunday, calling it 
> "purposefully misleading" and claiming that his client had been in 
> discussions to return to the role. 
> 
> "This offensive statement from Kevin Feige at Marvel is a purposefully 
> misleading, inappropriate attempt to paint our client in a negative light," 
> the rep told the site. "Here are the facts: two months ago, Kevin called me 
> and said he wanted Edward to reprise the role of Bruce Banner in 'The 
> Avengers.' He told me it would be his fantasy to bring Edward on stage with 
> the rest of the cast at [Comic-Con] and make it the event of the convention. 
> When I said that Edward was definitely open to this idea, Kevin was very 
> excited and we agreed that Edward should meet with [director] Joss Whedon to 
> discuss the project. Edward and Joss had a very good meeting (confirmed by 
> Feige to me) at which Edward said he was enthusiastic at the prospect of 
> being a part of the ensemble cast." 
> 
> However, the rep further claim

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick

Thanks for the update. Though "snarky", isn't Banner still frail and weak 
looking? 

- Original Message - 
From: "B Smith"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:41:55 PM 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick 






Bruce Banner hasn't been the puny Banner stereotype for a long time. Banner is 
a bit of a snarky so and so and that could lead to some nice exchanges with 
Downey and Jackson. Norton played him just right but unfortunately he was such 
a pain to work with he was dropped. 

Michael Cera is way too young. Jason Bateman on the other hand could be 
awesome. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> I wonder if Cera might not be a bit too young? I don't follow Hulk. What's up 
> with Banner's behaviour? 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Martin Baxter"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:18:00 AM 
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Keith, if they want "flavor-of-the-week", Michael Cera would be a great fit 
> for Banner as well. And the character would have to be written, IMO, the way 
> he's been done post-World War Hulk, after Banner and the Hulk were separated, 
> and Banner became a truly scary bastich who played mind games with everyone 
> around him. 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@... > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> They need to quit worrying about "name" actors and just get an actor who 
> looks and can play the part. Eric Bana was way too buff and handsome for 
> Banner. Norton was probably closer, but his almost Shakespearean intensity 
> was a bit too much for the skinny, unsure, milksop that is Bruce Banner. I 
> think Phoenix would come off too much like a crazed mad scientist than the 
> "puny Banner" we need. Cast the net far and wide to find the right man, and 
> notoriety be hanged! That's the damn problem with H'Wood all the time. 
> 
> Someone who looks the part, for example, would be Jon Cryer, the whiny 
> brother on "Two and A Half Men". Not saying he *should* do it, but that's the 
> *look* you need for Banner-someone who looks soft and weak, as if he's never 
> seen the sun or the inside of a gym. 
> 
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Daryle Lockhart" < dar...@... > 
> 
> So now I'm hearing they're talking seriously to Joaquin Phoenix. Which is 
> both awesome and frightening at the same time to me. 
> 
> * 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Cinque B wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> Marvel: Norton Won't Return As Hulk For 'Avengers'; Norton's Rep Responds 
> 
> 
> Source: Access Hollywood Sun Jul 11, 2010, 8:15 pm EDT 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Edward Norton won't be reprising his role as the Incredible Hulk in 2012's 
> "The Avengers," a Marvel rep confirmed to Access Hollywood on Sunday. 
> 
> Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige explained the decision in 
> a statement to HitFix . 
> 
> VIEW THE PHOTOS: Edward Norton 
> 
> "We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the title 
> role of Bruce Banner in 'The Avengers,'" Feige told the site. "Our decision 
> is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the 
> need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of our 
> other talented cast members. 'The Avengers' demands players who thrive 
> working as part of an ensemble, as evidenced by Robert, Chris H, Chris E, 
> Sam, Scarlett, and all of our talented casts. We are looking to announce a 
> name actor who fulfills these requirements, and is passionate about the 
> iconic role in the coming weeks." 
> 
> The actors referred to in the statement include current Marvel stars Robert 
> Downey Jr. (" Iron Man "), Chris Hemsworth ("Thor), Chris Evans ("Captain 
> America: The First Avenger"), Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury), Scarlett 
> Johansson (" Iron Man 2's" Black Widow), who are expected to reprise their 
> superhero roles in team-up film "The Avengers." 
> 
> VIEW THE PHOTOS: Scenes From â€˜ The Incredible Hulk â€™ 
> 
> A rep for Norton responded to the statement to Hitfix on Sunday, calling it 
> "purposefully misleading" and claiming that his client had been in 
> discussions to return to the role. 
> 
> "This offensive statement from Kevin Feige at Marvel is a purposefully 
> misleading, inappropriate attempt to paint our client in a negative light," 
> the rep told the site. "Here are the facts: two months ago, Kevin called me 
> and said he wanted Edward to reprise the role of Bruce Banner in 'The 
> Avengers.' He told me it would be his fantasy to bring Edward on stage with 
> the rest of the cast at [Comic-Con] and make it the event of the convention. 
> When I said that Edward was definitely open to this idea, Kevin was very 
> excited

Re: [scifinoir2] Top 10 Evil Human Experiments

2010-07-13 Thread brent wodehouse

Gruesome. :-\


Brent
  

Mr. Worf  wrote:

>http://listverse.com/2008/03/14/top-10-evil-human-experiments/
>
>Top 10 Evil Human Experiments
>
>Share This- Published March 14, 2008 - 343 Comments
>
>[WARNING] This list contains descriptions and images of human
>experimentation which may cause offense to some readers.] Human
>experimentation and research ethics evolved over time. On occasion, the
>subjects of human experimentation have been prisoners, slaves, or even
>family members. In some notable cases, doctors have performed experiments
>on themselves when they have been unwilling to risk the lives of others.
>This is known as self-experimentation. This is a list of the 10 most evil
>and unethical experiments carried out on humans.

[scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: "Mel Gibson is Not a Racist"

Brent,

I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to
people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still
feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I
don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online instead
of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed recently of
media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where everyone wants
to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of reasons. But, for all that
I wish and think this stuff should never have been released this way, I must
admit I've listened to it, and it sickens me. The only question I have is, why
is *anyone* still surprised at Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was
arrested were enough evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of "The
Passion of the Christ" were troublesome as well.

As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the hell
her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred and
hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how she
attacks people who use the term "African-American", saying she's "just an
American", as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a ribbon
against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it, but
curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to women's
rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson a pass is
very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an Essence award I
believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award, Goldberg proceeded
to thank the audience, then tell them "Y'all have made it hard on me--very
hard". She berated the audience for all the years that blacks had laughed at
her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. Odd that she was so quick
to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at "black" labels, yet can be so
forgiving and understanding of racism like this.

Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, "What the fu**, Mel?!"

http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist

We've been following the goings-on over at the "Mel Gibson Meltdownapalooza"
for the past few weeks. By now, you've probably heard one or more of the audio
tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we don't need to reiterate
the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face it-- flat-out threats that
Gibson spits out during these tapes. This is the sorta situation that any
reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person could look at and say, "You
know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a racist, and probably a few other
things". With that said, Whoopi Goldberg has sprung into action to defend Mel
Gibson as decidedly un-racist. Read all about it below, my gentle Examiner
readers...

This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand. The current news on the
situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana (that'd be
his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons. On one side of the fence,
you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor Gibson by releasing
the tapes to the media. This side claims that Gibson was set-up and provoked
into making the several audio tapes that have now leaked to the press. On the
other side of the debate, you've got Gibson's ex's people, who claim that
Gibson beat her up, threatened to "plant her in (his) rose garden", and that
Gibson's a flaming racist. Now, just because there aren't enough cooks in this
particular kitchen, Whoopi Goldberg's got a few things to say:

I have had a long friendship with Mel. You can say he's being a bonehead, but I
can't sit and say that he's a racist having spent time with him in my house
with my kids," added Goldberg, 54."I don't like what he's done, make no
mistake," she went on. "I'm not defending Mel. I'm simply saying I don't see
him as [a racist] because that's not been my experience with him."

That's Whoopi Goldberg speaking to MSN.com. She's apparently taken the stance
that, while Gibson's behavior is certainly "boneheaded", it's not necessarily
racist. Goldberg's careful to add that she doesn't support Gibson's behavior or
the things that he's said that might be construed as threatening to Gibson's ex
or children, but that whole "pack of n---gers" thing definitely wasn't racist.
With that in mind, let's take a trip down memory lane for the other non-racist
and tolerant things that Gibson's been caught saying on camera, on tape, or by
police officers with glorious breasts:

You look like a f-cking pig in heat, and if you get raped by a pack of n---ers,
it will be your fault."

F-cking Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world… Are you
a Jew?"

With this look, who's going to thi

Re: [scifinoir2] Top 10 Evil Human Experiments

I saw the play "Miss Evers' Boys" here in Atlanta years ago, dealing with 
Tuskegee. It was mind-boggling that black people could have been involved in 
such a thing, but they were told that it was a way to show that we were human 
too, just like whites. The old " show them you're as good as them by showing 
you can die like them" thing that's been used for everything from hazardous 
jobs to being cannon fodder in war. By the end of the play, when one guy dies 
onstage from his untreated syphillis, there wasn't a dry eye in the house, 
white or black, man or woman. 

- Original Message - 
From: "brent wodehouse"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:07:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Top 10 Evil Human Experiments 

Gruesome. :-\ 

Brent 

Mr. Worf < hellomahog...@gmail.com > wrote: 

> http://listverse.com/2008/03/14/top-10-evil-human-experiments/ 
> 
>Top 10 Evil Human Experiments 
> 
>Share This- Published March 14, 2008 - 343 Comments 
> 
>[WARNING] This list contains descriptions and images of human 
>experimentation which may cause offense to some readers.] Human 
>experimentation and research ethics evolved over time. On occasion, the 
>subjects of human experimentation have been prisoners, slaves, or even 
>family members. In some notable cases, doctors have performed experiments 
>on themselves when they have been unwilling to risk the lives of others. 
>This is known as self-experimentation. This is a list of the 10 most evil 
>and unethical experiments carried out on humans.

[scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick

2010-07-13 Thread B Smith

Still thin but not frail. He's learned a few tricks and picked up some fighting 
skills. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson  wrote:
>
> Thanks for the update. Though "snarky", isn't Banner still frail and weak 
> looking? 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:41:55 PM 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce Banner hasn't been the puny Banner stereotype for a long time. Banner 
> is a bit of a snarky so and so and that could lead to some nice exchanges 
> with Downey and Jackson. Norton played him just right but unfortunately he 
> was such a pain to work with he was dropped. 
> 
> Michael Cera is way too young. Jason Bateman on the other hand could be 
> awesome. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > I wonder if Cera might not be a bit too young? I don't follow Hulk. What's 
> > up with Banner's behaviour? 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Martin Baxter"  
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:18:00 AM 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" 
> > Flick 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Keith, if they want "flavor-of-the-week", Michael Cera would be a great fit 
> > for Banner as well. And the character would have to be written, IMO, the 
> > way he's been done post-World War Hulk, after Banner and the Hulk were 
> > separated, and Banner became a truly scary bastich who played mind games 
> > with everyone around him. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ > wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > They need to quit worrying about "name" actors and just get an actor who 
> > looks and can play the part. Eric Bana was way too buff and handsome for 
> > Banner. Norton was probably closer, but his almost Shakespearean intensity 
> > was a bit too much for the skinny, unsure, milksop that is Bruce Banner. I 
> > think Phoenix would come off too much like a crazed mad scientist than the 
> > "puny Banner" we need. Cast the net far and wide to find the right man, and 
> > notoriety be hanged! That's the damn problem with H'Wood all the time. 
> > 
> > Someone who looks the part, for example, would be Jon Cryer, the whiny 
> > brother on "Two and A Half Men". Not saying he *should* do it, but that's 
> > the *look* you need for Banner-someone who looks soft and weak, as if he's 
> > never seen the sun or the inside of a gym. 
> > 
> >  
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Daryle Lockhart" < daryle@ > 
> > 
> > So now I'm hearing they're talking seriously to Joaquin Phoenix. Which is 
> > both awesome and frightening at the same time to me. 
> > 
> > * 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Cinque B wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Marvel: Norton Won't Return As Hulk For 'Avengers'; Norton's Rep Responds 
> > 
> > 
> > Source: Access Hollywood Sun Jul 11, 2010, 8:15 pm EDT 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Edward Norton won't be reprising his role as the Incredible Hulk in 2012's 
> > "The Avengers," a Marvel rep confirmed to Access Hollywood on Sunday. 
> > 
> > Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige explained the decision 
> > in a statement to HitFix . 
> > 
> > VIEW THE PHOTOS: Edward Norton 
> > 
> > "We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the title 
> > role of Bruce Banner in 'The Avengers,'" Feige told the site. "Our decision 
> > is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the 
> > need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of 
> > our other talented cast members. 'The Avengers' demands players who thrive 
> > working as part of an ensemble, as evidenced by Robert, Chris H, Chris E, 
> > Sam, Scarlett, and all of our talented casts. We are looking to announce a 
> > name actor who fulfills these requirements, and is passionate about the 
> > iconic role in the coming weeks." 
> > 
> > The actors referred to in the statement include current Marvel stars Robert 
> > Downey Jr. (" Iron Man "), Chris Hemsworth ("Thor), Chris Evans ("Captain 
> > America: The First Avenger"), Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury), Scarlett 
> > Johansson (" Iron Man 2's" Black Widow), who are expected to reprise their 
> > superhero roles in team-up film "The Avengers." 
> > 
> > VIEW THE PHOTOS: Scenes From Ã¢â¬Ë The Incredible Hulk Ã¢â¬â¢ 
> > 
> > A rep for Norton responded to the statement to Hitfix on Sunday, calling it 
> > "purposefully misleading" and claiming that his client had been in 
> > discussions to return to the role. 
> > 
> > "This offensive statement from Kevin Feige at Marvel is a purposefully 
> > misleading, inappropriate attempt to paint our client in a neg

[scifinoir2] 6 Coolest Inventions you Probably Didn’t Know Exis t

6 Coolest Inventions you Probably Didn’t Know Exist December 2, 2009 by
uphaa.blog 
 Progress Bar on a Traffic Light


A 
designaward
has been given for a concept that would allow existing traffic lights
to be retrofitted with progress bars that offer a visual representation of
when the light will change.
Damjan Stanković -the designer- promotes this stoplight as an eco solution
in the following ways: If you’ve got the amount of time you’ve got to stop
in front of you, you can shut your engine off, wait, be calm, and turn it
back on again when the time is almost up. This not only lessens the amount
of 
gasyou
use sitting still, but it lessens the amount of crazy madness you have
wondering if the stoplight is stuck, or just really, really long.Source


  Waterproof Gadget Coating


Golden Shellback Coating is here and it is specifically created to protect
gizmosagainst
damage and loss of function due to harsh weather conditions and
moisture. This protective shield produces a vacuum-deposited film that is
non-flammable and insoluble in solvents. It is an ideal protection for
plastic, copper, aluminum, metal, ceramic, steel, tin, or glass.
The price of this excellent anti-corrosion coating depends on the equipment
you want to use it for. For the BlackBerry
Pearl,
$120; the iPod Shuffle, $60; the iPod
Touch$120.Source.

Airport Sleep Pods



Have you ever slept at the airport? For those of us who want the convenience
of 
sleepingat
the airport, without so much of the crazy, there’s these amazing
things
right here! 
“SleepBox”
they go by the name of, designed by Arch Group for those who need
private time in strange, unfriendly places!
There’s a thousand instances where the ideal personal cubical could come in
handy. Here’s one of them: the airport. In between flights, what do you do?
Sit in some marginally comfortable seats. Lots of time in between flights,
what do you do? Sleep box.
The box itself is 2mx1.4mx2.3m. The main bed is 2×0.6m, equipped with an
automatic system which changes the
linens(think
Fifth Element.) The bed is a soft, flexible strip of polymer and pulp
tissue.
Ventilation system, sound alerts, built-in LCD television, wireless internet
access,
power sockets, extra luggage space under lounges. Payment is made in time,
anywhere from 15 minutes to several
hours.Source

  Live Checking Card



Do you know who the Green Monster is? It’s that skunk-of-a-bill that you get
at the end of the month; it devours all your Dollars because you overspent!
Only if you could use something like the Live Checking Card! A Credit Card
won’t let you go beyond your limits. It’s a digital thang with an E-ink
display that allows you to check your payment history on it. It even
tracks your
bankaccount’s
transaction through
RFID.
A cumulative amount shows up on the screen every time you swipe the card;
giving you your account balance on your finger tips.
Designers: Jin-young Yoon, Wook-sun Oh, Young-ho Lee & Jun-kyo Lee.
Source
Hydropak – World’s First Portable Fuel Cell


The HydroPak is the world’s first commercially available fuel
cell.
The system consists of a fuel cell and water-activated
power-cartridge.
Insert a hydrogen cartridge and add water, and the fuel cell would be
sufficient to recharge your laptop
computerbetween
8 and 10 times. In addition, the HydroPak is designed with a common
AC outlet as well as x2 USB connectors, allowing you to connect/charge a
variety of appliances such as lights, t

[scifinoir2] 10 Bizarre Theories And The Facts Surrounding Them

10 Bizarre Theories And The Facts Surrounding Them

Share This - Published July 24, 2008 - 550
Comments

Previously we posted a list on conspiracy
theories,
but the items on this list are not really suited to that genre. This is a
list of bizarre theories or beliefs that many people subscribe to – with a
list of the facts as far as modern science is concerned. This is not meant
as a criticism of believers, but as a discussion of the theories and facts.
10
Magic

[image: Picture
1-36]

The Theory: The theory is by using certain objects such as a
candle,
a dagger and a wide variety of things you can bend the universe to your will
completely ignoring the laws of physics and the practical laws of the
universe.

The facts: Many people claim that they can use such powers as summoning
demons, angels or other things and the OOBE or out of body experience under
laboratory conditions but no one has been able to prove it so far. There are
incidents that do defy logical explanations, such as some people’s claims of
using the Ouija board, though since none of these events can be proven it is
very weak evidence.

9
Reptoids

[image: Picture
2-17]

The Theory: This has to be one of the most outlandish theories ever brought
forth, it is claimed most famously by David Icke but as well by several
others. It states that the royal
familyof
Britain, President Bush’s family as well as many other higher ups are
actually aliens that are here to secretly take over earth, feeding off of
humans to maintain their “human form”.

The facts: Most of the theorists proof consists of enhanced photos of people
such as Mr. Bush with reptile looking eyes, though they have come forth with
many other forms of proof such as videos and other reptile aspects of the
reptoids here on earth. The videos all brought forth have been proven fake
or are so obviously fake no one has wasted time and resources to look into
it.
8
2008 is actually 1711

[image: Herman] 

The Theory: The theory here is that the early Middle Ages never existed and
we have been counting the earth almost 200 years older than it actually is.

The facts: Well, there is no solid way to prove or disprove it, since the
very theory says the carbon dating of this age is flawed. They also claim
the written test from that era is a forgery from people of that era. Though
they have not put forth a reason why and there is no solid evidence from
them to prove this theory since the basis of their theory stops us from
being able to scientifically prove they are wrong. It is a matter of who
believes what, though the evidence does seem to be stronger for the side
against the Middle Ages not existing. Since all this theory says is that the
carbon dating is incorrect and the writings are forgeries though we have an
almost perfect time line with the carbon dating we use, we can almost cast
this one aside without proof.
7
Nazi Advances

[image: Warbonds
Poster]

The Theory: The theory is the Nazis were much farther ahead than technology
would
allow them to be at the time. It ranges wildly but one of the most
popular versions is that the Nazis landed on the moon as early as 1942 and
established a moon base on the dark side of the moon. They also had
establishments with at least half a dozen alien civilizations, and that the
remaining Nazis remain on the moon to this day.

The facts: There are so many holes in this Theory, for example most skeptics
believe that we haven’t had any contact at all with aliens as of yet, as
well the dark side of the moon is freezing, they would need amazing
machineryto
accomplish living there. They would need a way to renew all their
resources; this could be explained by growing plants for food and air. But
they would also need an energy source of some kind, which there would have
to be one not yet discovered by us back here on earth.
6
Hollow Earth

[image: Hollow Earth Complete Shell
Model]

The Theory: The theory is the earth is actually hollow and is not filled
with magma. It ranges from there being several layered
shellson
the inside (usually four) to the i

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick

How about Jackie Earle Haley?

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:17 PM, B Smith  wrote:

> Still thin but not frail. He's learned a few tricks and picked up some
> fighting skills.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the update. Though "snarky", isn't Banner still frail and weak
> looking?
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "B Smith" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:41:55 PM
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers"
> Flick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bruce Banner hasn't been the puny Banner stereotype for a long time.
> Banner is a bit of a snarky so and so and that could lead to some nice
> exchanges with Downey and Jackson. Norton played him just right but
> unfortunately he was such a pain to work with he was dropped.
> >
> > Michael Cera is way too young. Jason Bateman on the other hand could be
> awesome.
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I wonder if Cera might not be a bit too young? I don't follow Hulk.
> What's up with Banner's behaviour?
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Martin Baxter" 
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:18:00 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers"
> Flick
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Keith, if they want "flavor-of-the-week", Michael Cera would be a great
> fit for Banner as well. And the character would have to be written, IMO, the
> way he's been done post-World War Hulk, after Banner and the Hulk were
> separated, and Banner became a truly scary bastich who played mind games
> with everyone around him.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ >
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > They need to quit worrying about "name" actors and just get an actor
> who looks and can play the part. Eric Bana was way too buff and handsome for
> Banner. Norton was probably closer, but his almost Shakespearean intensity
> was a bit too much for the skinny, unsure, milksop that is Bruce Banner. I
> think Phoenix would come off too much like a crazed mad scientist than the
> "puny Banner" we need. Cast the net far and wide to find the right man, and
> notoriety be hanged! That's the damn problem with H'Wood all the time.
> > >
> > > Someone who looks the part, for example, would be Jon Cryer, the whiny
> brother on "Two and A Half Men". Not saying he *should* do it, but that's
> the *look* you need for Banner-someone who looks soft and weak, as if he's
> never seen the sun or the inside of a gym.
> > >
> > > 
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Daryle Lockhart" < daryle@ >
> > >
> > > So now I'm hearing they're talking seriously to Joaquin Phoenix. Which
> is both awesome and frightening at the same time to me.
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Cinque B wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Marvel: Norton Won't Return As Hulk For 'Avengers'; Norton's Rep
> Responds
> > >
> > >
> > > Source: Access Hollywood Sun Jul 11, 2010, 8:15 pm EDT
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Edward Norton won't be reprising his role as the Incredible Hulk in
> 2012's "The Avengers," a Marvel rep confirmed to Access Hollywood on Sunday.
> > >
> > > Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige explained the
> decision in a statement to HitFix .
> > >
> > > VIEW THE PHOTOS: Edward Norton
> > >
> > > "We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the
> title role of Bruce Banner in 'The Avengers,'" Feige told the site. "Our
> decision is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted
> in the need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative
> spirit of our other talented cast members. 'The Avengers' demands players
> who thrive working as part of an ensemble, as evidenced by Robert, Chris H,
> Chris E, Sam, Scarlett, and all of our talented casts. We are looking to
> announce a name actor who fulfills these requirements, and is passionate
> about the iconic role in the coming weeks."
> > >
> > > The actors referred to in the statement include current Marvel stars
> Robert Downey Jr. (" Iron Man "), Chris Hemsworth ("Thor), Chris Evans
> ("Captain America: The First Avenger"), Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury),
> Scarlett Johansson (" Iron Man 2's" Black Widow), who are expected to
> reprise their superhero roles in team-up film "The Avengers."
> > >
> > > VIEW THE PHOTOS: Scenes From Ã¢â‚¬Ëœ The Incredible Hulk Ã¢â‚¬â„¢
> > >
> > > A rep for Norton responded to the statement to Hitfix on Sunday,
> calling it "purposefully misleading" and claiming that his client had been
> in discussions to return to the role.
> > >
> > > "This offensive statement from Kevin Feige at Marv

Re: [scifinoir2] Top 10 Evil Human Experiments

The Tuskegee experiment, as well as the things that were done in the
eugenics program (and other programs) is America's dark secret.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> I saw the play "Miss Evers' Boys" here in Atlanta years ago, dealing with
> Tuskegee. It was mind-boggling that black people could have been involved in
> such a thing, but they were told that it was a way to show that we were
> human too, just like whites. The old " show them you're as good as them by
> showing you can die like them" thing that's been used for everything from
> hazardous jobs to being cannon fodder in war.  By the end of the play, when
> one guy dies onstage from his untreated syphillis, there wasn't a dry eye in
> the house, white or black, man or woman.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "brent wodehouse" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:07:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Top 10 Evil Human Experiments
>
>
>
> Gruesome. :-\
>
> Brent
>
>
> Mr. Worf > wrote:
>
> >http://listverse.com/2008/03/14/top-10-evil-human-experiments/
> >
> >Top 10 Evil Human Experiments
> >
> >Share This- Published March 14, 2008 - 343 Comments
> >
> >[WARNING] This list contains descriptions and images of human
> >experimentation which may cause offense to some readers.] Human
> >experimentation and research ethics evolved over time. On occasion, the
> >subjects of human experimentation have been prisoners, slaves, or even
> >family members. In some notable cases, doctors have performed experiments
> >on themselves when they have been unwilling to risk the lives of others.
> >This is known as self-experimentation. This is a list of the 10 most evil
> >and unethical experiments carried out on humans.
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>



-- 
Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] [Far, Far Away Off Topic] Is 2010 New York City, America's "Summ

2010-07-13 Thread brent wodehouse

Ah, sadly, we are somewhat at odds then, Martin. You see, it's fiendishly
difficult to describe, but... Words fail me. The sight when one
encounters... when the vision of... ineffable. I guess the feeling...
beyond the ken of mere mortals (certainly this mortal :-). It pushes one
out of acceptable comportment into a sort of glassy-eyed delirium. You
see, there; it makes one confused and exhilarated at the same time.

Bother.

I've ceased making sense. All I can be certain of is that the effect is
total. :-)

Brent

Martin Baxter wrote:

Brent, as a Leg Man for Life, I am bereft.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:29 PM, brent wodehouse
wrote:

:-)

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/07/is_2010_new_yor.php

Badonkadonk

Is 2010 New York City, America's "Summer of Ass"?

By Foster Kamer

Mon., Jul. 12 2010

The times, they change. The ebb and flow of the universe is simply
something to be gerneally understood as such, and nothing more. For
every
action, there's an equal reaction. And for every physics law, there's a
metaphysical plane to apply it to that generally shows its face when
you
look at it from the right direction at a certain point. Like this one.
From behind. In other words:

In 2009, New York City, and the rest of America had the Summer of
Death.

In 2010, New York City, and the rest of America has the Summer of Ass.

Because 2009 was the Summer, when, like, every celebrity died! And
that's
sad. So America must be rewarded with something. The revitalized
popularity emerging for big derrieres -- an easily-achievable physical
feat, one may argue -- is, of course, society's natural karmic award
for
bearing the pain of all those dead celebrities last year.

The New York Daily News didn't note this in their piece of the Summer
of
Ass -- which, by the way, Runnin' Scared Dot Com would like to
officially
get behind (heh) in a big way (heh, that's another big ass joke, right
there) -- but after much looking, and looking, and looking, and
talking to
impressively-assed celebrities like Kim Kardashian, they think they've
unlocked the secret of the reemergence of the ample back-asset

[http://www.nydailynews.com/lifestyle/fashion/2010/07/12/2010-07-12_rearing_to_go_big_butts_are_summer_2010s_hottest_trend.html?page=1#ixzz0tTz6zgoG]:

'Gone are the days of being ashamed of a wider bottom, with America
becoming more diverse amid shifting standards, according to Stylesight
trend analyst Sharon Graubard. "I think it's about the diversity of our
population and more accepted beauty, and a wider range of accepted
beauty," Graubard explains.'

Realize what a win-win situation this is for everyone:

* The Big-Bottomed: Pleased.
* The "Ass Men": Pleased.
* The Workout Industry: Pleased.
* The Food Industry: Pleased.
* The Ass-Accentuating Denim Industry: Pleased.
* Pat Kiernan: Pleased

[http://www.patspapers.com/story_stack/item/everybody_likes_big_butts/].

Of all of society's ills, will the large-ass trend work to heal any of
them? Only time will tell. In the mean time, there's certainly one
marginalized group that may -- nay, must -- see something good yielded
by
all of this:

* The "Booty Jam" Nostalgists.
Lest you not understand what a "Booty Jam" is, all you need to know
is: It
is a song created for hyper-utilization by those with, um, big asses.
And
hopefully, these songs will come back, because they are amazing.
Certainly, you can have your Sir Mix-A-Lot, you may have your "Apple
Bottom Jeans" and your Nelly, but ah, you don't know anything about
Luke,
69 Boyz, and 2 Live Crew's heyday, until you experience it. Like this.

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: "Mel Gibson is Not a Racist"

2010-07-13 Thread brent wodehouse

No harm, no foul. I post, you comment. Fair play. :-)


Brent


Keith Johnson  writes:

>
>Brent,
>
>I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to
>people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I
>still feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this
>level. I don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar
>Online instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've
>discussed recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a
>nation where everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a
>variety of reasons.Ê But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should
>never have been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and
>it sickens me.Ê The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still
>surprised at Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were
>enough evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of "The Passion of the
>Christ" were troublesome as well. 
>
>As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the
>hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with
>self-hatred and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over
>the years how she attacks people who use the term "African-American",
>saying she's "just an American", as if the term were insulting. I note
>how refused to wear a ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and
>even did a riff on it, but curiously, she wore things supporting
>everything from gay rights to women's rights. And I note that, the same
>lady who gives people like Gibson a pass is very quick to attack other
>blacks. years ago she was given an Essence award I believe. (Might have
>been NAACP...) When she got the award, Goldberg proceeded to thank the
>audience, then tell them "Y'all have made it hard on me--very hard". She
>berated the audience for all the years that blacks had laughed at her
>looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. Odd that she was so
>quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at "black" labels,Ê yet
>can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like this. 
>
>Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, "What the fu**, Mel?!"
>
>
>http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist
>
>
>
>We've been following the goings-on over at the "Mel Gibson
>Meltdownapalooza" for the past few weeks.Ê By now, you've probably heard
>one or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press,
>so we don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and--
>let's face it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these
>tapes.Ê This is the sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent,
>rational thinking-person could look at and say, "You know, I think that
>Mel Gibson's a bit of a racist, and probably a few other things".Ê With
>that said, Whoopi Goldberg has sprung into action to defend Mel Gibson as
>decidedly un-racist.Ê Read all about it below, my gentle Examiner
>readers...
>
>This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand.Ê The current news on
>the situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana
>(that'd be his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons.Ê On one side
>of the fence, you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor
>Gibson by releasing the tapes to the media.Ê This side claims that Gibson
>was set-up and provoked into making the several audio tapes that have now
>leaked to the press.Ê On the other side of the debate, you've got
>Gibson's ex's people, who claim that Gibson beat her up, threatened to
>"plant her in (his) rose garden", and that Gibson's a flaming racist.Ê
>Now, just because there aren't enough cooks in this particular kitchen,
>Whoopi [
>http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/whoopi-goldberg-mel-gibson-is-not-a-racist-1560886.story?GT1=28135
>]Goldberg's got a few things to say:
>
>
>
>I have had a long friendship with Mel. You can say he's being a bonehead,
>but I can't sit and say that he's a racist having spent time with him in
>my house with my kids," added Goldberg, 54."I don't like what he's done,
>make no mistake," she went on. "I'm not defending Mel. I'm simply saying
>I don't see him as [a racist] because that's not been my experience with
>him."
>
>
>
>
>That's Whoopi Goldberg speaking to MSN.com.Ê She's apparently taken the
>stance that, while Gibson's behavior is certainly "boneheaded", it's not
>necessarily racist.Ê Goldberg's careful to add that she doesn't support
>Gibson's behavior or the things that he's said that might be construed as
>threatening to Gibson's ex or children, but that whole "pack of n---gers"
>thing definitely wasn't racist.Ê With that in mind, let's take a trip
>down memory lane for the other non-racist and tolerant things that
>Gibson's been caught saying on camera, on tape, or by police officers
>with glorious breasts:
>
>
>
>Y

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: "Mel Gibson is Not a Racist"

I think Mel gets his racism from his father who is a well documented
anti-semite and conspiracy theorist.

I think Whoopi has bought into the Hollywood hype. She has been in the
Hollywood system so long that she has lost her bearings on reality. This
happens to a lot of people of color that gain "acceptance" through tokenism
and may have genuine white friends, but that does not mean that all is right
with the world.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Brent,
>
> I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to
> people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still
> feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I
> don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online
> instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed
> recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where
> everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of
> reasons.  But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have
> been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens
> me.  The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at
> Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough
> evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of "The Passion of the Christ"
> were troublesome as well.
>
> As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the
> hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred
> and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how
> she attacks people who use the term "African-American", saying she's "just
> an American", as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a
> ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it,
> but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to
> women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson
> a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an
> Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award,
> Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them "Y'all have made it
> hard on me--very hard". She berated the audience for all the years that
> blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly.
> Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at
> "black" labels,  yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like
> this.
>
> Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, "What the fu**, Mel?!"
>
> 
>
> http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist
>
> *We've been following the goings-on over at the "Mel Gibson
> Meltdownapalooza" for the past few weeks.  By now, you've probably heard one
> or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we
> don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face
> it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these tapes.  This is the
> sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person
> could look at and say, "You know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a
> racist, and probably a few other things".  With that said, Whoopi Goldberg
> has sprung into action to defend Mel Gibson as decidedly un-racist.  Read
> all about it below, my gentle Examiner readers...*
>
> This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand.  The current news on
> the situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana
> (that'd be his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons.  On one side of
> the fence, you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor
> Gibson by releasing the tapes to the media.  This side claims that Gibson
> was set-up and provoked into making the several audio tapes that have now
> leaked to the press.  On the other side of the debate, you've got Gibson's
> ex's people, who claim that Gibson beat her up, threatened to "plant her in
> (his) rose garden", and that Gibson's a flaming racist.  Now, just because
> there aren't enough cooks in this particular kitchen, Whoopi Goldberg's
> got a few things to 
> say:
>
> *I have had a long friendship with Mel. You can say he's being a bonehead,
> but I can't sit and say that he's a racist having spent time with him in my
> house with my kids," added Goldberg, 54."I don't like what he's done, make
> no mistake," she went on. "I'm not defending Mel. I'm simply saying I don't
> see him as [a racist] because that's not been my experience with him."*
>
> That's Whoopi Goldberg speaking to MSN.com.  She's

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: "Mel Gibson is Not a Racist"

2010-07-13 Thread Tracy Curtis

The whole Whoppi Goldberg thing is bizarre.  I can't imagine hearing these
words from anyone I know and then trying to defend that person.

Does anyone else feel as though this recording is getting so much play just
because news outlets want to play slurs, even when they're bleeped?

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> I think Mel gets his racism from his father who is a well documented
> anti-semite and conspiracy theorist.
>
> I think Whoopi has bought into the Hollywood hype. She has been in the
> Hollywood system so long that she has lost her bearings on reality. This
> happens to a lot of people of color that gain "acceptance" through tokenism
> and may have genuine white friends, but that does not mean that all is right
> with the world.
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Brent,
>>
>> I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to
>> people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still
>> feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I
>> don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online
>> instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed
>> recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where
>> everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of
>> reasons.  But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have
>> been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens
>> me.  The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at
>> Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough
>> evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of "The Passion of the Christ"
>> were troublesome as well.
>>
>> As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the
>> hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred
>> and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how
>> she attacks people who use the term "African-American", saying she's "just
>> an American", as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a
>> ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it,
>> but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to
>> women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson
>> a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an
>> Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award,
>> Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them "Y'all have made it
>> hard on me--very hard". She berated the audience for all the years that
>> blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly.
>> Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at
>> "black" labels,  yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like
>> this.
>>
>> Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, "What the fu**, Mel?!"
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist
>>
>> *We've been following the goings-on over at the "Mel Gibson
>> Meltdownapalooza" for the past few weeks.  By now, you've probably heard one
>> or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we
>> don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face
>> it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these tapes.  This is the
>> sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person
>> could look at and say, "You know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a
>> racist, and probably a few other things".  With that said, Whoopi Goldberg
>> has sprung into action to defend Mel Gibson as decidedly un-racist.  Read
>> all about it below, my gentle Examiner readers...*
>>
>> This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand.  The current news on
>> the situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana
>> (that'd be his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons.  On one side of
>> the fence, you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor
>> Gibson by releasing the tapes to the media.  This side claims that Gibson
>> was set-up and provoked into making the several audio tapes that have now
>> leaked to the press.  On the other side of the debate, you've got Gibson's
>> ex's people, who claim that Gibson beat her up, threatened to "plant her in
>> (his) rose garden", and that Gibson's a flaming racist.  Now, just because
>> there aren't enough cooks in this particular kitchen, Whoopi Goldberg's
>> got a few things to 
>> say:
>>
>> *I have

Re: [scifinoir2] 6 Coolest Inventions you Probably D idn’t Know Exist

2010-07-13 Thread Tracy Curtis

These are great.  Although I once saw a traffic light that did some kind of
crazy blinking when the caution light came on.  It was late.  It seemed
brighter than normal.  For a second, I thought it might mean something other
than what normal traffic lights mean.  I think I'm getting to the point
where I need some warning when the everyday changes.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

>
>
> 6 Coolest Inventions you Probably Didn’t Know Exist December 2, 2009 by
> uphaa.blog 
> Progress Bar on a Traffic Light
>
>
> A 
> designaward
>  has been given for a concept that would allow existing traffic lights
> to be retrofitted with progress bars that offer a visual representation of
> when the light will change.
> Damjan Stanković -the designer- promotes this stoplight as an eco solution
> in the following ways: If you’ve got the amount of time you’ve got to stop
> in front of you, you can shut your engine off, wait, be calm, and turn it
> back on again when the time is almost up. This not only lessens the amount
> of 
> gasyou
>  use sitting still, but it lessens the amount of crazy madness you have
> wondering if the stoplight is stuck, or just really, really long.Source
> 
>
>  Waterproof Gadget Coating
>
>
> Golden Shellback Coating is here and it is specifically created to protect
> gizmosagainst
>  damage and loss of function due to harsh weather conditions and
> moisture. This protective shield produces a vacuum-deposited film that is
> non-flammable and insoluble in solvents. It is an ideal protection for
> plastic, copper, aluminum, metal, ceramic, steel, tin, or glass.
> The price of this excellent anti-corrosion coating depends on the equipment
> you want to use it for. For the BlackBerry 
> Pearl,
> $120; the iPod Shuffle, $60; the iPod 
> Touch$120.Source.
> 
> Airport Sleep Pods
>
>
>
> Have you ever slept at the airport? For those of us who want the
> convenience of 
> sleepingat
>  the airport, without so much of the crazy, there’s these amazing things
> right here! 
> “SleepBox”
>  they go by the name of, designed by Arch Group for those who need
> private time in strange, unfriendly places!
> There’s a thousand instances where the ideal personal cubical could come in
> handy. Here’s one of them: the airport. In between flights, what do you do?
> Sit in some marginally comfortable seats. Lots of time in between flights,
> what do you do? Sleep box.
> The box itself is 2mx1.4mx2.3m. The main bed is 2×0.6m, equipped with an
> automatic system which changes the 
> linens(think
>  Fifth Element.) The bed is a soft, flexible strip of polymer and pulp
> tissue.
> Ventilation system, sound alerts, built-in LCD television, wireless internet
> access,
> power sockets, extra luggage space under lounges. Payment is made in time,
> anywhere from 15 minutes to several 
> hours.Source
>
>  Live Checking Card
>
>
>
> Do you know who the Green Monster is? It’s that skunk-of-a-bill that you
> get at the end of the month; it devours all your Dollars because you
> overspent! Only if you could use something like the Live Checking Card! A
> Credit Card won’t let you go beyond your limits. It’s a digital thang with
> an E-ink display that allows you to check your payment history on it. It
> even tracks your 
> bankaccount’s
>  transaction through
> RFID.
> A cumulative amount shows up on the screen every time you swipe the card;
> giving you your account balance on your finger tips.
> Designers: Jin-young Yoon, Wook-sun Oh, Young-ho Lee & Jun-kyo Lee. 
> Source
> Hydropak – World’s First Portable Fuel Cell
>
>
> The HydroPak is the world’s first commercially available fuel 
> cell

Re: [scifinoir2] 6 Coolest Inventions you Probably D idn’t Know Exist

There really hasn't been any changes to the current redlight system for a
great while. Some areas have the "smart intersection" systems that will
sense a car. If there isn't a car in traveling across the intersection, the
system will speed up the light. It also allows emergency vehicles to control
the lights into their favor. (also the redlight cams which turned into an
expensive joke here. After several years and cities all over the state
installing them, they are starting to take them down because they don't
always work properly by capturing people making a right turn etc.)

I enjoy looking at new inventions that will change our lives a bit. For a
long time things felt stagnant.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Tracy Curtis  wrote:

>
>
> These are great.  Although I once saw a traffic light that did some kind of
> crazy blinking when the caution light came on.  It was late.  It seemed
> brighter than normal.  For a second, I thought it might mean something other
> than what normal traffic lights mean.  I think I'm getting to the point
> where I need some warning when the everyday changes.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 6 Coolest Inventions you Probably Didn’t Know Exist December 2, 2009 by
>> uphaa.blog 
>> Progress Bar on a Traffic Light
>>
>>
>> A 
>> designaward
>>  has been given for a concept that would allow existing traffic lights
>> to be retrofitted with progress bars that offer a visual representation of
>> when the light will change.
>> Damjan Stanković -the designer- promotes this stoplight as an eco solution
>> in the following ways: If you’ve got the amount of time you’ve got to stop
>> in front of you, you can shut your engine off, wait, be calm, and turn it
>> back on again when the time is almost up. This not only lessens the amount
>> of 
>> gasyou
>>  use sitting still, but it lessens the amount of crazy madness you have
>> wondering if the stoplight is stuck, or just really, really long.Source
>> 
>>
>>  Waterproof Gadget Coating
>>
>>
>> Golden Shellback Coating is here and it is specifically created to protect
>> gizmosagainst
>>  damage and loss of function due to harsh weather conditions and
>> moisture. This protective shield produces a vacuum-deposited film that is
>> non-flammable and insoluble in solvents. It is an ideal protection for
>> plastic, copper, aluminum, metal, ceramic, steel, tin, or glass.
>> The price of this excellent anti-corrosion coating depends on the
>> equipment you want to use it for. For the BlackBerry 
>> Pearl,
>> $120; the iPod Shuffle, $60; the iPod 
>> Touch$120.Source.
>> 
>> Airport Sleep Pods
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you ever slept at the airport? For those of us who want the
>> convenience of 
>> sleepingat
>>  the airport, without so much of the crazy, there’s these amazing things
>> right here! 
>> “SleepBox”
>>  they go by the name of, designed by Arch Group for those who need
>> private time in strange, unfriendly places!
>> There’s a thousand instances where the ideal personal cubical could come
>> in handy. Here’s one of them: the airport. In between flights, what do you
>> do? Sit in some marginally comfortable seats. Lots of time in between
>> flights, what do you do? Sleep box.
>> The box itself is 2mx1.4mx2.3m. The main bed is 2×0.6m, equipped with an
>> automatic system which changes the 
>> linens(think
>>  Fifth Element.) The bed is a soft, flexible strip of polymer and pulp
>> tissue.
>> Ventilation system, sound alerts, built-in LCD television, wireless internet
>> access,
>> power sockets, extra luggage space under lounges. Payment is made in time,
>> anywhere from 15 minutes to several 
>> hours.Source
>>
>>  Live Checking Card
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you know who the Green Monster is? It’s that skunk-of-a-bill that you
>> get at the end of the month; it devours all your Dollars because you
>> overspent! Only if you could use something like the Live Checking Card! A
>> Credit Card won’t let you go

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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: "Mel Gibson is Not a Racist"

There could be a couple of things going on here. One could be that there are
some producers milking it for what its worth. (that's always a certainty)
The other is that someone is getting pleasure out of it because it is so
"un-PC" which is a conservative hot button. It fits right in with the
teabagger crap.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Tracy Curtis  wrote:

>
>
> The whole Whoppi Goldberg thing is bizarre.  I can't imagine hearing these
> words from anyone I know and then trying to defend that person.
>
> Does anyone else feel as though this recording is getting so much play just
> because news outlets want to play slurs, even when they're bleeped?
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I think Mel gets his racism from his father who is a well documented
>> anti-semite and conspiracy theorist.
>>
>> I think Whoopi has bought into the Hollywood hype. She has been in the
>> Hollywood system so long that she has lost her bearings on reality. This
>> happens to a lot of people of color that gain "acceptance" through tokenism
>> and may have genuine white friends, but that does not mean that all is right
>> with the world.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Keith Johnson > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brent,
>>>
>>> I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to
>>> people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still
>>> feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I
>>> don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online
>>> instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed
>>> recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where
>>> everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of
>>> reasons.  But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have
>>> been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens
>>> me.  The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at
>>> Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough
>>> evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of "The Passion of the Christ"
>>> were troublesome as well.
>>>
>>> As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the
>>> hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred
>>> and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how
>>> she attacks people who use the term "African-American", saying she's "just
>>> an American", as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a
>>> ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it,
>>> but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to
>>> women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson
>>> a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an
>>> Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award,
>>> Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them "Y'all have made it
>>> hard on me--very hard". She berated the audience for all the years that
>>> blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly.
>>> Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at
>>> "black" labels,  yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, "What the fu**, Mel?!"
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist
>>>
>>> *We've been following the goings-on over at the "Mel Gibson
>>> Meltdownapalooza" for the past few weeks.  By now, you've probably heard one
>>> or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we
>>> don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face
>>> it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these tapes.  This is the
>>> sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person
>>> could look at and say, "You know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a
>>> racist, and probably a few other things".  With that said, Whoopi Goldberg
>>> has sprung into action to defend Mel Gibson as decidedly un-racist.  Read
>>> all about it below, my gentle Examiner readers...*
>>>
>>> This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand.  The current news on
>>> the situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana
>>> (that'd be his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons.  On one side of
>>> the fence, you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor
>>> Gibson by releasing the tapes to the media.  This side claims that Gibson
>>> was set-up and provoked into making the several audio tapes that have no

Re: [scifinoir2] 10 Extremely Weird Religions

They hold on to stuff for a long time. Have you seen that Travel Channel
show about the tribe from New Guinea that comes to America? The chief's
father met a couple of white guys during WW2 and sent a group to the US to
find him.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:37 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> I laugh my narrow a$$ off at this, especially the Prince Philip Movement.
> Wonder if those brothers know that their deity is a racist bastich...
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Mr. Worf  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> http://listverse.com/2009/09/10/10-extremely-weird-religions/ Originally,
>> I wasn't going to post this, but I noticed that 2 of the groups were African
>> American.
>>
>> 10 Extremely Weird Religions
>>
>> Share This- Published September 10, 2009 by *JFrater* - 318 
>> Comments
>>
>> We have previously published a variety of lists on strange religious
>> practices ,
>> religions you never knew 
>> existed,
>> and weird cults , but not
>> a list of bizarre religions. This list is designed to fill the gap by
>> discussing ten religions that most of us have not heard of (for good reason
>> as you will see). Be sure to use the comments to tell us about any other
>> bizarre religions and, especially, your own experiences of them.
>>
>> 10
>> Scientology
>>
>> [image: 
>> Scientology1-2]
>>
>> Scientology has featured on a previous list, but if I didn’t include it
>> here the comments would be inundated with “where’s scientology?” questions.
>> The Church of Scientology is a cult created by L Ron Hubbard (Elron) in 1952
>> as an outgrowth of his earlier self-help system called Dianetics. The Church
>> of Scientology holds that at the higher levels of initiation (OT levels)
>> mystical teachings are imparted that may be harmful to unprepared readers.
>> These teachings are kept secret from members who have not reached these
>> levels. In the OT levels, Hubbard explains how to reverse the effects of
>> past-life trauma patterns that supposedly extend millions of years into the
>> past. Among these advanced teachings is the story of Xenu (sometimes Xemu),
>> introduced as an alien ruler of the “Galactic Confederacy.” According to
>> this story, 75 million years ago Xenu brought billions of people to Earth in
>> spacecraft resembling Douglas DC-8 airliners, stacked them around volcanoes
>> and detonated hydrogen bombs in the volcanoes. The thetans then clustered
>> together, stuck to the bodies of the living, and continue to do this today.
>> Scientologists at advanced levels place considerable emphasis on isolating
>> body thetans and neutralizing their ill effects.
>>
>> 9
>> Creativity Movement
>>
>> [image: Splc Hale 
>> 350X4501]
>>
>> The Creativity Movement (formerly known as World Church Of The Creator),
>> is a white separatist organization that advocates the whites-only religion,
>> Creativity. It was also a descriptive phrase used by Ben Klassen, that
>> included all adherents of the religion. The use of the term creator does not
>> refer to a deity, but rather to themselves (white people). Despite the
>> former use of the word Church in its name, the movement is atheistic.
>> Creativity is a White Separatist religion that was founded by Ben Klassen in
>> early 1973 under the name Church of the Creator. After Klassen’s death in
>> 1993, Creativity almost died out as a religion until the New Church of the
>> Creator was established three years later by Matthew F. Hale as its Pontifex
>> Maximus (high priest), until his incarceration in January 2003 for plotting
>> with the movement’s head of security, Anthony Evola (an FBI informant), to
>> murder a federal judge.
>>
>> 8
>> Thee Temple ov Psychick Youth
>>
>> [image: Picture 
>> 2-81]
>>
>> Obviously spelling is not a fundamental part of this religion! Thee Temple
>> ov Psychick Youth (TOPY) was founded in 1981 by members of Psychic 
>> TV,
>> Coil, Current 93, and a number of other individuals. The ever-evolving
>> network is a loosely federated group of people operating as a unique blend
>> of artistic collective, and practitioners of magic. TOPY is dedicated to the
>> manifestation of magical concepts lacking mysticism or the worship of gods.
>> The group focuses on the psychic and magical aspects of the human brain
>> linked with “guiltless sexuality”. Throughout its existence, TOPY has been
>> an influential group in the underground Chaos magic scene and in the wider
>> western occult tradition. TOPY’s research has covered both Left-hand pat

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[scifinoir2] Re: Consumer Reports will not recommend Apple iPhone 4

G4 reported today that Apple has been deleting posts on the Consumer Reports
article from their group websites. Hmmm that was a m$ move there.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Mr. Worf  wrote:

> Consumer Reports will not recommend Apple iPhone 4
>
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> strength
>Fri, Jul 2 2010
>- Consumers sue Apple over iPhone antenna 
> problems
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>
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>
>  [image: A customer looks at an iPhone 4 at the Apple Store 5th Avenue
> in New York, in this June 24, 2010 file photo. REUTERS/Eric Thayer/Files]
>
> A customer looks at an iPhone 4 at the Apple Store 5th Avenue in New York,
> in this June 24, 2010 file photo.
>
> Credit: Reuters/Eric Thayer/Files
>
> SAN FRANCISCO | Mon Jul 12, 2010 4:01pm EDT
>
> SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Consumer Reports said it cannot recommend
> Apple's iPhone 4 to buyers after tests confirmed the device's
> well-publicized reception glitches.
>
> It added that that AT&T Inc, the exclusive mobile phone carrier for the
> iPhone 4, was not necessarily the main culprit.
>
> The influential nonprofit organization, which publishes guides on
> everything from cars to TVs, said in a report released on Monday that it
> also tested other phones -- including the iPhone 3GS and Palm Pre -- and
> found none had the signal-loss problems of Apple's latest iPhone.
>
> The report was the latest blow to the iPhone 4, which sold 1.7 million
> units in its first three days on the market but has been plagued by
> complaints of poor reception. Many of the complaints involve a wraparound
> antenna whose signal strength is said to be affected if touched in a certain
> way.
>
> Kaufman Bros analyst Shaw Wu said he was surprised by the stance that
> Consumer Reports took on the new iPhone. Wu noted that the group's
> recommendations are used as a guide by many consumers.
>
> "Consumer reports is a respected publication. This could have an impact on
> iPhone sales," Wu said.
>
> Apple shares were down 1 percent at $257.06 on Monday afternoon on the
> Nasdaq.
>
> The company has been sued by iPhone customers in at least three complaints
> related to antenna problems.
>
> "When your finger or hand touches a spot on the phone's lower left side --
> an easy thing, especially for lefties -- the signal can significantly
> degrade enough to cause you to lose your connection altogether if you're in
> an area with a weak signal," contributor Mike Gikas said in a report on the
> Consumer Reports website.
>
> "Our findings call into question the recent claim by Apple that the iPhone
> 4's signal-strength issues were largely an optical illusion caused by faulty
> software that 'mistakenly displays 2 more bars than it should for a given
> signal strength,'" Gikas said.
>
> Apple did not respond to a request for comment.
>
> Gikas recommended covering the gap in the wraparound antenna with duct tape
> or some other non-conductive material.
>
> Apple has said almost any cellphone will suffer a loss of signal if held in
> certain ways. It said later it had discovered a software glitch that
> overstates signal strength, though it did not directly address concerns
> about the antenna with that admission.
>
> On the flip side, Consumer Reports said the iPhone scored high on other
> testing grounds such as battery life, sharp display and high-quality video
> camera.
>
> However, Gikas said the signal problem was the reason the iPhone 4 would
> not be classified as a "recommended" device in its smartphone ratings.
>
> "Apple needs to come out with a permanent -- and free -- fix to the antenna
> problem before we can recommend the iPhone4," said Gikas in his blog post on
> ConsumerReports.org.
>
> (Reporting by Carolina Madrid and Gabriel 
> Madway;
> Editing by Edwin Chan, Matthew 
> Lewis

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick

Wow, thanks for the correction! Is the book any better? Like I said, I've never 
been a fan, and the whole Red Hulk and Son of Hulk storylines haven't drawn me 
in at all. 

- Original Message - 
From: "B Smith"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:17:25 PM 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick 






Still thin but not frail. He's learned a few tricks and picked up some fighting 
skills. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> Thanks for the update. Though "snarky", isn't Banner still frail and weak 
> looking? 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "B Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:41:55 PM 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce Banner hasn't been the puny Banner stereotype for a long time. Banner 
> is a bit of a snarky so and so and that could lead to some nice exchanges 
> with Downey and Jackson. Norton played him just right but unfortunately he 
> was such a pain to work with he was dropped. 
> 
> Michael Cera is way too young. Jason Bateman on the other hand could be 
> awesome. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > I wonder if Cera might not be a bit too young? I don't follow Hulk. What's 
> > up with Banner's behaviour? 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Martin Baxter"  
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:18:00 AM 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" 
> > Flick 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Keith, if they want "flavor-of-the-week", Michael Cera would be a great fit 
> > for Banner as well. And the character would have to be written, IMO, the 
> > way he's been done post-World War Hulk, after Banner and the Hulk were 
> > separated, and Banner became a truly scary bastich who played mind games 
> > with everyone around him. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ > wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > They need to quit worrying about "name" actors and just get an actor who 
> > looks and can play the part. Eric Bana was way too buff and handsome for 
> > Banner. Norton was probably closer, but his almost Shakespearean intensity 
> > was a bit too much for the skinny, unsure, milksop that is Bruce Banner. I 
> > think Phoenix would come off too much like a crazed mad scientist than the 
> > "puny Banner" we need. Cast the net far and wide to find the right man, and 
> > notoriety be hanged! That's the damn problem with H'Wood all the time. 
> > 
> > Someone who looks the part, for example, would be Jon Cryer, the whiny 
> > brother on "Two and A Half Men". Not saying he *should* do it, but that's 
> > the *look* you need for Banner-someone who looks soft and weak, as if he's 
> > never seen the sun or the inside of a gym. 
> > 
> >  
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Daryle Lockhart" < daryle@ > 
> > 
> > So now I'm hearing they're talking seriously to Joaquin Phoenix. Which is 
> > both awesome and frightening at the same time to me. 
> > 
> > * 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Cinque B wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Marvel: Norton Won't Return As Hulk For 'Avengers'; Norton's Rep Responds 
> > 
> > 
> > Source: Access Hollywood Sun Jul 11, 2010, 8:15 pm EDT 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Edward Norton won't be reprising his role as the Incredible Hulk in 2012's 
> > "The Avengers," a Marvel rep confirmed to Access Hollywood on Sunday. 
> > 
> > Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige explained the decision 
> > in a statement to HitFix . 
> > 
> > VIEW THE PHOTOS: Edward Norton 
> > 
> > "We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the title 
> > role of Bruce Banner in 'The Avengers,'" Feige told the site. "Our decision 
> > is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the 
> > need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of 
> > our other talented cast members. 'The Avengers' demands players who thrive 
> > working as part of an ensemble, as evidenced by Robert, Chris H, Chris E, 
> > Sam, Scarlett, and all of our talented casts. We are looking to announce a 
> > name actor who fulfills these requirements, and is passionate about the 
> > iconic role in the coming weeks." 
> > 
> > The actors referred to in the statement include current Marvel stars Robert 
> > Downey Jr. (" Iron Man "), Chris Hemsworth ("Thor), Chris Evans ("Captain 
> > America: The First Avenger"), Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury), Scarlett 
> > Johansson (" Iron Man 2's" Black Widow), who are expected to reprise their 
> > superhero roles in team-up film "The Avengers." 
> > 
> > VIEW THE PHOTOS: Scenes From Ã

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick

Dude, he would be freaking awesome as Banner! I wonder if the suits would think 
he looks too creepy, like Phoenix? He'd meet the criteria for this new edgy 
Banner Brent mentioned. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:41:43 PM 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" 
Flick 






How about Jackie Earle Haley? 


On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:17 PM, B Smith < daikaij...@yahoo.com > wrote: 


Still thin but not frail. He's learned a few tricks and picked up some fighting 
skills. 


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 

> Thanks for the update. Though "snarky", isn't Banner still frail and weak 
> looking? 
> 
> - Original Message - 



> From: "B Smith"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 12:41:55 PM 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce Banner hasn't been the puny Banner stereotype for a long time. Banner 
> is a bit of a snarky so and so and that could lead to some nice exchanges 
> with Downey and Jackson. Norton played him just right but unfortunately he 
> was such a pain to work with he was dropped. 
> 
> Michael Cera is way too young. Jason Bateman on the other hand could be 
> awesome. 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> > 
> > I wonder if Cera might not be a bit too young? I don't follow Hulk. What's 
> > up with Banner's behaviour? 
> > 
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Martin Baxter"  
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:18:00 AM 
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" 
> > Flick 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Keith, if they want "flavor-of-the-week", Michael Cera would be a great fit 
> > for Banner as well. And the character would have to be written, IMO, the 
> > way he's been done post-World War Hulk, after Banner and the Hulk were 
> > separated, and Banner became a truly scary bastich who played mind games 
> > with everyone around him. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Keith Johnson < KeithBJohnson@ > wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > They need to quit worrying about "name" actors and just get an actor who 
> > looks and can play the part. Eric Bana was way too buff and handsome for 
> > Banner. Norton was probably closer, but his almost Shakespearean intensity 
> > was a bit too much for the skinny, unsure, milksop that is Bruce Banner. I 
> > think Phoenix would come off too much like a crazed mad scientist than the 
> > "puny Banner" we need. Cast the net far and wide to find the right man, and 
> > notoriety be hanged! That's the damn problem with H'Wood all the time. 
> > 
> > Someone who looks the part, for example, would be Jon Cryer, the whiny 
> > brother on "Two and A Half Men". Not saying he *should* do it, but that's 
> > the *look* you need for Banner-someone who looks soft and weak, as if he's 
> > never seen the sun or the inside of a gym. 
> > 
> >  
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Daryle Lockhart" < daryle@ > 
> > 
> > So now I'm hearing they're talking seriously to Joaquin Phoenix. Which is 
> > both awesome and frightening at the same time to me. 
> > 
> > * 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Jul 12, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Cinque B wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Marvel: Norton Won't Return As Hulk For 'Avengers'; Norton's Rep Responds 
> > 
> > 
> > Source: Access Hollywood Sun Jul 11, 2010, 8:15 pm EDT 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Edward Norton won't be reprising his role as the Incredible Hulk in 2012's 
> > "The Avengers," a Marvel rep confirmed to Access Hollywood on Sunday. 
> > 
> > Marvel Studios president of production Kevin Feige explained the decision 
> > in a statement to HitFix . 
> > 
> > VIEW THE PHOTOS: Edward Norton 
> > 
> > "We have made the decision to not bring Ed Norton back to portray the title 
> > role of Bruce Banner in 'The Avengers,'" Feige told the site. "Our decision 
> > is definitely not one based on monetary factors, but instead rooted in the 
> > need for an actor who embodies the creativity and collaborative spirit of 
> > our other talented cast members. 'The Avengers' demands players who thrive 
> > working as part of an ensemble, as evidenced by Robert, Chris H, Chris E, 
> > Sam, Scarlett, and all of our talented casts. We are looking to announce a 
> > name actor who fulfills these requirements, and is passionate about the 
> > iconic role in the coming weeks." 
> > 
> > The actors referred to in the statement include current Marvel stars Robert 
> > Downey Jr. (" Iron Man "), Chris Hemsworth ("Thor), Chris Evans ("Captain 
> > America: The First Avenger"), Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury), Scarlett 
> > Johansson (" Iron Man 2's" Black Widow

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: "Mel Gibson is Not a Racist"

You're right on both counts. Gibson's dad spends his time as a traveling 
Holocaust denier. Gibson subscribes to some older tenets of the Catholic 
Church--officially abandoned by the church a few decades back--that lean more 
toward things such as condemning the Jews for the Crucifixtion. I have 
certainly known closet bigots on this level in my life, but it's been a 
while... 
As for Goldberg, unfortunately I have friends and relatives just like that. 
They condemn blacks for all the wrongs they suffered at their hands, but don't 
hold the same grudges against whites. I have black friends who are really quick 
to call blacks "ghetto", or label all black women golddiggers or whatever, but 
who never speak in general terms about the bad characteristics of other ethnic 
groups. Dennis Rodman is an example. He loves to say he dates white women 
because black women were so cruel to him before he gained fame and money. 
somehow he's never forgiven those knucklehead sisters who were shallow in his 
youth, but doesn't seem to realize few white women would be dating him if he 
weren't rich? Don't get it. A big concern of mine recently has been the 
explosion in black men who are quick to call Sisters gold diggers, but don't 
seem to label other races--often more deserving--as quickly with that title. 

I get that it hurts more coming from your own, but shouldn't forgiveness start 
there too? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:17:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: "Mel Gibson is Not a Racist" 






I think Mel gets his racism from his father who is a well documented 
anti-semite and conspiracy theorist. 

I think Whoopi has bought into the Hollywood hype. She has been in the 
Hollywood system so long that she has lost her bearings on reality. This 
happens to a lot of people of color that gain "acceptance" through tokenism and 
may have genuine white friends, but that does not mean that all is right with 
the world. 


On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Brent, 

I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to 
people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still 
feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I 
don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online instead 
of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed recently of 
media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where everyone wants 
to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of reasons. But, for all that 
I wish and think this stuff should never have been released this way, I must 
admit I've listened to it, and it sickens me. The only question I have is, why 
is *anyone* still surprised at Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was 
arrested were enough evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of "The 
Passion of the Christ" were troublesome as well. 

As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the hell 
her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred and 
hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how she 
attacks people who use the term "African-American", saying she's "just an 
American", as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a ribbon 
against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it, but 
curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to women's 
rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson a pass is 
very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an Essence award I 
believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award, Goldberg proceeded 
to thank the audience, then tell them "Y'all have made it hard on me--very 
hard". She berated the audience for all the years that blacks had laughed at 
her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. Odd that she was so quick 
to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at "black" labels, yet can be so 
forgiving and understanding of racism like this. 

Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, "What the fu**, Mel?!" 

 
http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist
 



We've been following the goings-on over at the "Mel Gibson Meltdownapalooza" 
for the past few weeks. By now, you've probably heard one or more of the audio 
tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, so we don't need to reiterate 
the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- let's face it-- flat-out threats that 
Gibson spits out during these tapes. This is the sorta situation that any 
reasonable, intelligent, rational thinking-person could look at and say, "You 
know, I think that Mel Gibson's a bit of a racist, and probably a few other 
things". With that said, Who

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: "Mel Gibson is Not a Racist"

I hear you! I'd still like to hear what Danny Glover said when he turned on the 
telly! 

- Original Message - 
From: "brent wodehouse"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:10:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: "Mel Gibson is Not a Racist" 






No harm, no foul. I post, you comment. Fair play. :-) 

Brent 

Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > writes: 

> 
>Brent, 
> 
>I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to 
>people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I 
>still feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this 
>level. I don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar 
>Online instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've 
>discussed recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a 
>nation where everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a 
>variety of reasons.Ê But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should 
>never have been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and 
>it sickens me.Ê The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still 
>surprised at Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were 
>enough evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of "The Passion of the 
>Christ" were troublesome as well. 
> 
>As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the 
>hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with 
>self-hatred and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over 
>the years how she attacks people who use the term "African-American", 
>saying she's "just an American", as if the term were insulting. I note 
>how refused to wear a ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and 
>even did a riff on it, but curiously, she wore things supporting 
>everything from gay rights to women's rights. And I note that, the same 
>lady who gives people like Gibson a pass is very quick to attack other 
>blacks. years ago she was given an Essence award I believe. (Might have 
>been NAACP...) When she got the award, Goldberg proceeded to thank the 
>audience, then tell them "Y'all have made it hard on me--very hard". She 
>berated the audience for all the years that blacks had laughed at her 
>looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly. Odd that she was so 
>quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at "black" labels,Ê yet 
>can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like this. 
> 
>Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, "What the fu**, Mel?!" 
> 
> 
> http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist
>  
> 
> 
> 
>We've been following the goings-on over at the "Mel Gibson 
>Meltdownapalooza" for the past few weeks.Ê By now, you've probably heard 
>one or more of the audio tapes that Gibson's ex has leaked to the press, 
>so we don't need to reiterate the blatant hate-speech, misogyny, and-- 
>let's face it-- flat-out threats that Gibson spits out during these 
>tapes.Ê This is the sorta situation that any reasonable, intelligent, 
>rational thinking-person could look at and say, "You know, I think that 
>Mel Gibson's a bit of a racist, and probably a few other things".Ê With 
>that said, Whoopi Goldberg has sprung into action to defend Mel Gibson as 
>decidedly un-racist.Ê Read all about it below, my gentle Examiner 
>readers... 
> 
>This Mel Gibson thing's really getting out of hand.Ê The current news on 
>the situation is that authorities are now looking into the Gibson/Oksana 
>(that'd be his ex-wife) debacle for a multitude of reasons.Ê On one side 
>of the fence, you've got Gibson's camp accusing Oksana of trying to extor 
>Gibson by releasing the tapes to the media.Ê This side claims that Gibson 
>was set-up and provoked into making the several audio tapes that have now 
>leaked to the press.Ê On the other side of the debate, you've got 
>Gibson's ex's people, who claim that Gibson beat her up, threatened to 
>"plant her in (his) rose garden", and that Gibson's a flaming racist.Ê 
>Now, just because there aren't enough cooks in this particular kitchen, 
>Whoopi [ 
> http://wonderwall.msn.com/tv/whoopi-goldberg-mel-gibson-is-not-a-racist-1560886.story?GT1=28135
>  
>]Goldberg's got a few things to say: 
> 
> 
> 
>I have had a long friendship with Mel. You can say he's being a bonehead, 
>but I can't sit and say that he's a racist having spent time with him in 
>my house with my kids," added Goldberg, 54."I don't like what he's done, 
>make no mistake," she went on. "I'm not defending Mel. I'm simply saying 
>I don't see him as [a racist] because that's not been my experience with 
>him." 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>That's Whoopi Goldberg speaking to MSN.com.Ê She's apparently taken the 
>stance that, while Gibson's behavior is certainly "boneheaded", it's not 
>necessarily racist.Ê Goldberg's careful to add that

Re: [scifinoir2] Pawn Stars

I'm always singing that show's praises. I watch it religiously. I also like 
"American Pickers". 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:19:14 PM 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Pawn Stars 

This week's episode of Pawn Stars features a brotha in Vegas selling his 
Transformers collection of over 1000 pieces! He has one of the largest 
collections outside of Hasbro ever seen. 

-- 
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Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

[scifinoir2] Washington Post Reviews "Rizzoli and Isles", "Covert Affairs".

I watched "Rizzoli and Isles" last night. Knowing nothing about the source 
material, and given what I saw on the trailers, I didn't expect it to be quite 
as grim as it was. Not bad, just grim. I'm also having to get used to Sasha 
Gray playing gentler and more cerebral here than she did as the tough agent in 
"NCIS". That, and the change from the raven locks on NCIS to the blonde look. 
I'm not a supper fan of Angie Harmon. Her fairly hard and unforgiving character 
on Law and Order never appealed to me, and I have to be honest that her 
conservative politics biased me a bit too. But overall the show has potential, 
so I'll give it a chance. 
I also watched the new show "The Glades". It was okay too. Didn't draw me in 
quite as much as the premieres of "Justified", "Memphis Beat", or "The Good 
Guys", but hey--worth a look. I'm just amazed at all the new fare we're getting 
on cable channels. With Closer, Burn Notice, Rescue Me, White Collar, In Plain 
Sight, Mad Men, Leverage, Royal Pains, Army Wives and others, there's a whole 
hell of a lot of good, original programming to be had. I can't remember the 
last time I've seen this many original series on TV covering the gamut of 
genres, and *lasting*! 

Looking forward to "Covert Affairs" tonight. Hope it's a fun action series. I 
see the actor who played "Jake 2.0" is back in the espionage biz in this 
series, although here he's not a field agent, but a blind guy who I guess is 
support. 

* 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/11/AR2010071103084.html
 


By Hank Stuever Washington Post Staff Writer 
Monday, July 12, 2010 



While Boston homicide detective Jane Rizzoli (Angie Harmon) and medical 
examiner Maura Isles (Sasha Alexander) check over a naked woman's corpse in the 
woods to make sure she's been murdered to the exact, telltale preferences of a 
notorious serial killer, let us occupy ourselves by making a list of all the 
stylized cop procedurals we've been subjected to lately. 


It's like browsing that shelf of faded paperbacks that collect on the living 
room shelves of a beach rental. One of these new shows ("new" never seems like 
the right word) was about a smart-talkin' Chicago detective in Florida, called 
"The Glades." (Is it about air freshener? No, air deadener.) Jason Lee's doing 
another one -- "Memphis"-something-or-other; "Blue"? "Heat"? Whichever, Lee's 
character sings in blues clubs after he solves the crime. And there was one 
about a lady FBI agent sent to a small town (the titular "Haven") to 
investigate a murder and realizes the town is not what it seems. You don't say. 

"Rizzoli & Isles," premiering Monday night on TNT, is just the thing for you 
silent lambs: easy-on-the-brain depictions of rape and murder, solved in one 
hour through the power of roguish cop sass and the discovery of semen spots on 
the ottoman. If you like to come home from work, wait for the microwave to 
beep, and together with your Brownie Husband watch splatter-patterned murder 
stories solved by women (and men) with impeccable hair and tiny waists -- well, 
this is the summer for you. Let the mutual rigor mortis work its magic, as 
Rizzoli, insulted by a colleague, retorts with lines you've heard a thousand 
times before, such as: "How is it that you're still single?" 

How is it that actual FBI statistics show a drop in violent crime for years 
now, and yet the TV crime wave continues? Perhaps watching these shows is what 
keeps real serial killers occupied and vicariously sated? 

Thus ends my genre griping. As for "Rizzoli & Isles," it isn't brilliant 
television, but everyone in it seems to be giving it their all -- even the 
corpses. It's drawn from a series of crime novels by Tess Gerritsen, where the 
hard-crusted, soft-centered Rizzoli (that sounds like a dessert!) forms a 
symbiotic friendship with the calm, encyclopedia-brained Isles. While Rizzoli 
fumes and fumbles out in the field, Isles meticulously Quincies back at the 
morgue. While Rizzoli wears hoodies and a ponytail, Isles is always decked out 
in stilettos. As Rizzoli, Harmon, a long-ago " Law and Order " player, attacks 
her part with intense crabbiness, which all but obliterates any acting that 
Alexander, who was on " NCIS ," might have had in mind. 

After a wealthy couple is murdered, Rizzoli's off to the state pen to play 
Hannibal-and-Clarice interrogatory games with a serial killer, on the hunch 
that he's trained an apprentice. There's a hunky FBI agent who shows up to 
investigate the case, and he distracts Rizzoli and Isles not only from their 
jobs but from the faintly lesbian undertones that the show keeps trying to 
establish. Will it be Rizzoli or Isles who captures Agent Hunky's attention? 
"Somebody should, don't you think?" Rizzoli asks. 




"Should we draw straws?" Isles counters. 

"Can't we just show him our [breasts] and let him decide?" Rizzoli says. 

"Can't someone put a sheet

Re: [scifinoir2] Apple's Clean Hands May Have Dirtied iPhone 4 Signal

I think that it is just a design flaw. If you touch the corner of the phone
it is probably making you ground.  Consumer Reports said that the signal
drops about -20db! Which can take about 1/2 of a signal.

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Martin Baxter wrote:

>
>
> Still not quite buying this...
>
>
> http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/07/apples-clean-hands-may-have-dirtied-iphone-4-signal/
>
> --
> "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
> 

-- 
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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: "Mel Gibson is Not a Racist"

I believe that there needs to be more of a dialog on this but until someone
in the media takes on the topic it will not exist.

I guess Whoopi and others are the equivalent of self hating black ala Uncle
Ruckus. Or denial on overdrive.



On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> You're right on both counts. Gibson's dad spends his time as a traveling
> Holocaust denier. Gibson subscribes to some older tenets of the Catholic
> Church--officially abandoned by the church a few decades back--that lean
> more toward things such as condemning the Jews for the Crucifixtion.  I have
> certainly known closet bigots on this level in my life, but it's been a
> while...
> As for Goldberg, unfortunately I have friends and relatives just like that.
> They condemn blacks for all the wrongs they suffered at their hands, but
> don't hold the same grudges against whites.  I have black friends who are
> really quick to call blacks "ghetto", or label all black women golddiggers
> or whatever, but who never speak in general terms about the bad
> characteristics of other ethnic groups. Dennis Rodman is an example. He
> loves to say he dates white women because black women were so cruel to him
> before he gained fame and money. somehow he's never forgiven those
> knucklehead sisters who were shallow in his youth, but doesn't seem to
> realize few white women would be dating him if he weren't rich? Don't get
> it. A big concern of mine recently has been the explosion in black men who
> are quick to call Sisters gold diggers, but don't seem to label other
> races--often more deserving--as quickly with that title.
>
>  I get that it hurts more coming from your own, but shouldn't forgiveness
> start there too?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 5:17:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Goldberg: "Mel Gibson is Not a Racist"
>
>
>
> I think Mel gets his racism from his father who is a well documented
> anti-semite and conspiracy theorist.
>
> I think Whoopi has bought into the Hollywood hype. She has been in the
> Hollywood system so long that she has lost her bearings on reality. This
> happens to a lot of people of color that gain "acceptance" through tokenism
> and may have genuine white friends, but that does not mean that all is right
> with the world.
>
> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Brent,
>>
>> I owe you an apology for high-mindedly saying I don't like being privy to
>> people's private thoughts and utterances, odious though they may be. I still
>> feel that way. I hate knowing that Gibson is such a racist on this level. I
>> don't get why his girlfriend chose to release this crap to Radar Online
>> instead of just the cops. I think, like the other topics we've discussed
>> recently of media coverage, we are becoming way too much of a nation where
>> everyone wants to get their stuff out in the media for a variety of
>> reasons.  But, for all that I wish and think this stuff should never have
>> been released this way, I must admit I've listened to it, and it sickens
>> me.  The only question I have is, why is *anyone* still surprised at
>> Gibson's racism? The drunken rants when he was arrested were enough
>> evidence, the disturbing anti-Semitic tones of "The Passion of the Christ"
>> were troublesome as well.
>>
>> As for Whoopi Goldberg saying he's not a racist, I have no idea what the
>> hell her definition is, but I'm not surprised. She's dealt with self-hatred
>> and hatred of black people for a long time. I've noticed over the years how
>> she attacks people who use the term "African-American", saying she's "just
>> an American", as if the term were insulting. I note how refused to wear a
>> ribbon against racism for the Oscars one year, and even did a riff on it,
>> but curiously, she wore things supporting everything from gay rights to
>> women's rights. And I note that, the same lady who gives people like Gibson
>> a pass is very quick to attack other blacks. years ago she was given an
>> Essence award I believe. (Might have been NAACP...) When she got the award,
>> Goldberg proceeded to thank the audience, then tell them "Y'all have made it
>> hard on me--very hard". She berated the audience for all the years that
>> blacks had laughed at her looks, not supported her, and made her feel ugly.
>> Odd that she was so quick to attack blacks publicly, takes offense at
>> "black" labels,  yet can be so forgiving and understanding of racism like
>> this.
>>
>> Oh yeah: I bet Danny Glover is saying, "What the fu**, Mel?!"
>>
>> 
>>
>> http://www.examiner.com/x-15166-Comedy-Examiner~y2010m7d13-Whoopi-Goldberg-defends-Mel-Gibson-Mel-Gibson-is-not-a-racist
>>
>> *We've been following the goings-on over at the "Mel

Re: [scifinoir2] Pawn Stars

Me too! Love American Pickers. Its one of the few shows that I can discuss
with my mom. We watch it together for some bonding time.

On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> I'm always singing that show's praises. I watch it religiously. I also like
> "American Pickers".
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 7:19:14 PM
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Pawn Stars
>
>
>
> This week's episode of Pawn Stars features a brotha in Vegas selling his
> Transformers collection of over 1000 pieces! He has one of the largest
> collections outside of Hasbro ever seen.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>
>
> 
>



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[scifinoir2] Re: Spoiler--Anyone notice the inaccuracy in the Predators trailer?

2010-07-13 Thread angelababycat

That was a cool scene in P2, and it's what I thought about when I saw the 
trailer.   Which, again, is why I felt cheated when it didn't turn out that 
way.  Oh well, that was last week.  Now I'm trying to figure out how to see 
Inception this Friday afternoon...I really need to find a baby sitter one of 
these days.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "B Smith"  wrote:
>
> I wonder if that scene in the trailer was a call back to Predator 2? After 
> Danny Glover manages to beat his Predator something similar happened to him.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter  wrote:
> >
> > Reboot, Angela. All of the previous rules are probably out the window.
> > 
> > On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 9:07 PM, angelababycat wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > Per usual, I saw Predators early Friday afternoon (in a theater with 100
> > > guys and maybe 6 other chics--I should have dressed nicer, LOL!).
> > >
> > > Anyway,there's really not much to discuss about this installment--if 
> > > you're
> > > a Predators follower, you'll just go see it and then move on with your 
> > > life.
> > > But one thing that really, really irritated me: the movie trailer 
> > > includes a
> > > clip in which the Brody character has the 3-red-dot lights from a dozen
> > > Predator gus on him, suggesting that at some point he and the crew will be
> > > up against 12+ Predators at once. But in the actual movie, that same sence
> > > shows only ONE such site light on the center of his chest. And accordingly
> > > the ensuing fight is with one Predator. Plus, it's revealed earlier in the
> > > movie that Predators only hunt in groups of 3 anyway. So I feel mislead
> > > about the scale of the confrontation we were going to see in the movie.
> > > Maybe that's one reason the 2nd half of the movie was so flat. We were all
> > > led to expect a huge battle--even if we don't remember exactly why--that
> > > never happens.
> > >
> > > Never underestimate people with photographic memories.
> > >
> > > Angela
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell
> > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
> >
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Marvel Dumps Norton as Banner for "Avengers" Flick