[scifinoir2] Re: Why the hatred for Jaden Smith?
We (that would be the American we) hate Jaden Smith because of the implication that his career is being handed to him. We generally hate that in all professions from politics to business, and especially in Hollywood because of it's reputation for advancement going along lines of who you know, not what you know/can do. Only in sports, which has a rep for earned merit, do we not begrudge successful scions of famous fathers/mothers. Yes, if his films/projects fail it wont have anything to do with his parents but that really isn't the point. He isn't helping matters with his constant B-boy stance-ing and mean mugging for cameras and having hair that is ridiculed regularly on Bossip, etc. He really made himself that much more annoying before setting out to prove himself as a talent. I was dead set against seeing the remake for all the usual reasons + Jaden however the previews turned me. I think Chan's serious acting is underrated so I get a chance to see that w/out having to resort to region 3 DVD. Resultingly I'll be forced to give young Smith a shot. What has amazed me is the amount of BLACK hatred towards Jaden. We keep hating on young people who are doing good work, and we wonder why the majority of young people wanna stay under-achievers. See above, esp. the part abt his hair.
[scifinoir2] Re: Why the hatred for Jaden Smith?
Also, Gleiberman totally overreacts to the situation. Maybe he feels compelled to defend his review of the movie?
[scifinoir2] Re: Movie review: Lady Vengeance
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockwork...@... wrote: How is no martial arts, no sex and no gunpay a con. btw you kinda have to see Old Boy first to appreciate this movie.. c w m Not really. All the works stand on their own. I like this one (Lady Vengeance) less over time but when I first saw it I thought it was perhaps a better film than Mr Vengeance, certainly better executed technically. On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:02 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: Looking at the trailer, and some of the promotional pictures for this film many people (including myself) may have mistaken this film for an action film. Upon view Lady Vengeance, we would have quickly discovered that we were COMPLETELY wrong. The complete title is 'Sympathy for Lady Vengeance' is part 3 of a trilogy of revenge films directed by Chan-wook Park. Each film has its own storyline and can be watched separately on its own. I suggest not viewing this film and trying to go to bed afterward. You may want to spend some time talking about it afterward. Lady Vengeance is the story of a woman that takes the rap for the kidnapping and murder of a 5yr old boy for reasons I cannot divulge. She does so willingly slowly suffering on a slow boil slowly plotting revenge on the person that put her there. This is a woman on a mission. She serves 13 years in a prison for the criminally insane and as soon as she is released, she is off to work. Park is a master story teller that can lull you into a false sense of direction making you forget just how twisted he is. He also has a good cinematic eye and a knack for latching onto strong sensitive topics that pull at your heart and mind while wallowing in it like a pig in an Olympic size swimming pool. The only weak spot in the film was a period near the middle where we spend time getting to know some of the favors that Lady Vengeance earns while she is in prison. Overall it is an interesting film with an even more interesting / psychologically challenging ending that will challenge your thinking about the justice system, the media, and the public's views on criminality. 4 out of 5 stars 99% Korean and 1% English. English subtitles. Available on Netflix. Cons: No martial art action. Very little gun play. Very little sex. No nudity. Pros: Twisted revenge flick. Great ending that will make you think. -- clockworkman blog http://centralheatingblog.blogspot.com STRING THEORY http://stringtheory.podbean.com Netflix Friends http://www.netflix.com/BeMyFriend/P5Vr384ukvNnY78xUJOT
[scifinoir2] Re: Disney to buy Marvel Entertainment for $4 billion
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: This is Christmas early for the stock holders at Marvel Entertainment. It is the death knell for a lot of great characters. ~(no)rave! Meh, I don't think we have to worry THAT much about the Disneyfication of our beloved Excelsiors. Disney is more interested in the licensing opportunities than the movies or books. August 31, 2009, 9:27 am Disney to Buy Marvel Entertainment for $4 Billion
[scifinoir2] Re: Ryan Reynolds casts as Green Lanthern
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart dar...@... wrote: I LOVE that idea. I think Marvel is trying to do that, which is why they're doing multi-picture deals with actors like Sam Jackson, etc. Robert Downey Jr is in Hulk. Tobey Macguire doing a cameo in Avengers or even a future Fantastic Four movie would be great fun, and I think appearances like that I think that's where it's headed. That being said, in the case of X-Men, I wouldn't mind a little recasting for a couple of roles. I dunno if Toby would be the kind of dude who'd want to do that, but you throw enough money at him and he'd be okay perhaps. On Jul 12, 2009, at 5:08 AM, George Arterberry wrote: May the X-Men can have a cameo in the Avengers movie unless its by different film companies. --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Daryle Lockhart dar...@... wrote: From: Daryle Lockhart dar...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Ryan Reynolds casts as Green Lanthern To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 10:33 AM Well, it definitely ain't happenin' NOW lol. But I agree, 2 hours of Wolverine was hard enough to watch. 2 hours of Deadpool? Come on. I think one of two things will happen as a result of this: 1. X-Men movies are done. 2. they go with X-Men Origins: Storm. If they do Storm, they will call back Brett or Bryan to direct, and they'll be back in a big way. Otherwise... On Jul 11, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Mike Street wrote: I just don't see Deadpool as a full on movie. It sounds like something that will truly never see the light of day. THere are a ton of other Marvel characters they should focus the companies money on and trying to make Deadpool happen is a total waste. Go with the core characters and not cause his 10 minutes of screen time tested well. Hollywood is a total joke these days. On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Justin Mohareb justinmohareb@ gmail.com wrote: If you watch any of his films you'll realize you are incorrect. He's done great in comedy and action roles and has a great dollop of movie star charisma. There's a reason people were excited about his casting as Deadpool and now as GL. Justin On 2009-07-11, at 9:02 AM, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ yahoo.com wrote: Reyonds is the Hollywood beefcake flavor of the month.His casting is a sign that character development be damned.This has Daredevil written all over it. --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Ryan Reynolds casts as Green Lanthern To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 6:52 AM yes you will probably be alone in that one. the reason I like Steward is because his character is more human than hal jordan or kyle. Stewart is a more complex person with flaws that makes him likeable. i never like the original origin of hal becoming GL. ring searches out the man without fear. truth be, they did make hal better later, but i just like Jon Stewart (also because both of us serve in the Marine Corps...but that's just me). Fate. --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Omari Confer clockworkman@ gmail.com wrote: From: Omari Confer clockworkman@ gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Ryan Reynolds casts as Green Lanthern To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Saturday, July 11, 2009, 6:34 AM I missed Martin's point of view but I am not sure about how I would feel about a Jon Stewart GL in the movie. I know I will be alone on this but I find it more insulting to put in the 3rd favorite Lantern in the first live action GL movie just for Affirmative Action sake. Reynolds is a great choice c w m On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 3:16 AM, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com wrote: so i guess there will be no Blacks in the JL moive, especially since they are either going with the GL secret identity will be Hal or Kyle. so long Jon Stewart! guess i will adopt Martin's point of view and not watch this one either. Fate. LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - After an intense months-long search, Warner Bros. has chosen Ryan Reynolds to play the title character in Green Lantern, the studio's live-action movie based on the DC Comics hero. Reynolds and his representatives entered negotiations for the part Friday, after the studio held two rounds of screen tests for the actor, Bradley Cooper and Jared Leto. Justin Timberlake also did a screen test. The film is being directed by Martin Campbell and produced by Donald De Line and Greg Berlanti. One reason for the lengthy search process was that De Line, Campbell and the studio each had a different favorite among the finalists, making it difficult to come to a consensus. If the
[scifinoir2] Re: Moon puts fiction back in science fiction
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal ravena...@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhIB0mqbPiE http://www.jsonline.com/entertainment/movies/50384927.html very slight spoiler for MOON, if you catch it. That review is a shite misreading IMO. If the movie calls back to any older films it's ROBOCOP. The movie is less about man misusing technology than it is humanity misusing humanity. Like ROBOCOP was about the dehumanization of Detroit factory workers, the corporation in this film treats people like chattel slaves. Lonely man in the 'Moon' By Duane Dudek of the Journal Sentinel Posted: July 9, 2009 Moon is one small step for mankind. It puts the fiction back into science fiction, not because it's unbelievable but because it's a life-size and plausible portrait of our daily gravity. Too many genre films are virtual, superheroic variations on arbitrary themes and are slaves to the digital technologies that allow them to portray anything. The less-is-more aesthetic of Moon, by comparison, is a reminder that true creativity is a function of ideas and imagination. In much the same way we take for granted the fact that science drives our lives in countless and invisible ways, Moon takes a satisfyingly pragmatic approach to the extraordinary. And in the process, it puts a human face and heart at the center of its universe - a man in the moon, if you will. Sam Rockwell portrays the only human employee at a lunar factory where his companion is a HAL-like computer named Gerty, voiced by Kevin Spacey. For technical reasons, Rockwell cannot communicate directly with home; he sees his daughter grow up in tape-delayed messages from his wife and watches old sitcom reruns. Rockwell is just two weeks away from completing a three-year service contract and returning to Earth. If he is going a bit buggy, talking to his plants and seeing things, these seem a reasonable response to his isolation. Unless, of course, they represent something else. Perhaps things are not as they seem. Perhaps he is not really alone. Or perhaps he is more alone than he knows. Lunacy runs in the family of director Duncan Jones: His singer-songwriter father, David Bowie, imagined all manner of star men, space oddities and spiders from Mars. But if there is an apple-doesn't-fall-far-from-the-tree quality to the material, the approach has its roots in the golden age of science fiction. The miniatures, matte paintings and digital effects do not dazzle; like Rockwell's space suit worn with use, they add a scruffy realism. The way Jones' camera looms over cramped spaces like a surveillance video adds a Big Brother feel to the piece. And the edgy, slightly crazed Rockwell, practically the only actor in the film, is a sympathetic, cautionary figure howling at the moon. Moon is not about the dangers of technology, but mankind's misuse of it. Even before President John Kennedy vowed to make landing on the moon a national priority, the exploitation of it for war or profit seemed inevitable. Moon portrays such possibilities, in service of some greater good, as the banal oppression of the very qualities that make us human. E-mail: ddu...@...
[scifinoir2] Re: 5 Lessons We Hope Obama Learned from Spider-Man
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both Conan and Spidey are Marvel books! A Marvel man in the white house! now we KNOW something's gonna get done. I need someone to ask his position on the registration act in an interview... Did anyone read the long NEWSWEEK piece on the election? Obama was overheard teasing his wife making reference to Dilithium Crystals. The point is moot. On Nov 13, 2008, at 9:33 PM, sincere1906 wrote: That's what I'm mfkn' talkin bout... Obama's a hip N.E.R.D. like Pharrell or Rza. Cool intellect n creativity...and no pocket protectors. Sin - 5 Lessons We Hope Obama Learned from Spider-Man Matt Brady Newsarama.com Matt Brady newsarama.com Thu Nov 13, 4:52 pm ET Not only has America elected its first African-American President, it's looking more and more like we've elected our first Geek-in- Chief. He's read Harry Potter, he's addicted to his BlackBerry, and his Mac laptop has a Pac Man sticker on it. Do we need any more evidence he's one of the nerd generation? Most recently, the President Elect has acknowledged that he collected both Conan the Barbarian and Spider-Man comic books growing up (although he identifies with Batman as well as Spidey). But let's look closely at Spider-Man for a minute. Over the Marvel Comics icon's 45-plus year crime-fighting career, the Amazing Spider-Man learned many hard lessons about what it takes to be a true hero, something the United States sorely needs right now. Here are the Top 5 Lessons we hope the President-Elect has learned from the Wall-Crawler. 5. In Order to Get Things Done, Sometimes You Have to Reach Across the (Super Hero) Aisle. Where Spider-Man Learned It: Virtually every issue of Marvel Team- Up and Marvel crossover events. The Lesson: Marvel's recent Civil War miniseries brought the point to a head -superheroes don't always get along. Just like politicians they often bring very different approaches and ideologies to the table. In Marvel comic books Iron Man has recently become something of a big government fascist, and the Sorcerer Supreme Dr. Strange has extreme libertarian leanings, but Spidey's managed to serve as teammates on the Avengers with both. Spider-Man also works closely with minority groups (the X-Men), and isn't threatened by gender differences (Spider-Woman). Sometimes in order to do good, you have to look past your differences. 4.The Press Isn't Your Friend Where Spider-Man Learned It: From the first time J. Jonah Jameson wrote his first anti-Spider-Man editorial, shortly after he debuted. No matter what he does, Spider-Man can never catch a break with JJJ. The Lesson: Jameson is convinced Spider-Man is a menace to society, rather than a hero trying to save it. But Spidey doesn't let it get him down or make his second guess what he knows is right. Sure, seeing anti-Spidey screed blasting down from billboards and on newsstands can grate, but he keeps rolling on. And yes, even Jameson has jumped on the Spider-Man bandwagon once or twice, but has jumped right off it again and gotten back to his normal ways. 3. Bad Things Are Going to Happen. The Important Thing Is How You Respond Where Spider-Man Learned It: Practically every issue, including being trapped under tons of machinery in Amazing Spider-Man #33, 1966 and the death of his first love Gwen Stacy in Amazing Spider-Man #121, 1973. The Lesson: As Joe's Biden and Lieberman both predicted, new presidents are usually tested early, and no one can predict exactly how. As Spider-Man has showed time and again, it's how you react to adversity that defines you. Spider-Man's probably had to deal with more tough hands over the years than any superhero alive, and while he's always flirted with throwing in the towel during the dark times, he always comes back with renewed purpose and shows himself to be the hero we know him to be. 2. Never Lose Your Sense of Humor Where Spider-Man Learned It: From the early days of his career, up through the latest issues on the stands. The Lesson: Putting Spider-Man's mask on freed the once nerdy and shy Peter Parker to let his constant - and sardonic - inner monologue out, and be the superhero who reacts to adversity with quick wit and even a little charm. Over the years, Spider-Man's snappy one-liners have helped him keep his spirits up in difficult times, as well as the heroes around him. American isn't looking for a Comedian-in-Chief, but as all our 401k's shrink in size like Spidey's buddy the Astonishing Ant-Man, we could use a little levity from our leaders. Obama ought to allow himself to occasionally relax that famous disciplined approach of his let the country see that even our leader
[scifinoir2] Re: Recasting Lost in Space (Was: Stargate: Universe)
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These programs may be garbage but they have had better opening weekends than projects we all thought were brilliant. Tyler Perry attaching his name to a project means 25 million right now. Spike Lee attaching his name to a project ALMOST means that people will NOT go see it. I am a bigger fan of Spike Lee films after and including 25th Hour than I am his more popular work personally, and I don't particularly like Tyler Perry pictures...but then, my favorite picture list include Blade Runner and Brazil. I'm not exactly his target audience. I don't want to turn this into a Tyler Perry discussion. The point is that he can get pictures made. He can get a TV series green- lighted and renewed. A lot of Black people cannot say the sameso the point is not what is he doing WRONG. The question is: what is he doing right? Yes, I agree he's doing great business however I don't know that his success results can be replicated under control conditions. He wore out shoe leather building a reputation within a very specific genre of work. The key was that he managed to translate from one medium to another with great success AND got his audience, a rabidly loyal one - underserved at that, to follow. He made plays that played like sitcoms. that translated not so well to movies. However, they were an EASY sell on home video since that was essentially returning his work to its roots. Aside from Soulja Boy, who else can copy that? On Sep 3, 2008, at 3:10 PM, Omari Confer wrote: Those programs are trully garbagebut Perry has a lock on cinema that the studios cant deny... so i say... Black hollywood.. Stop your whining c w m On 9/3/08, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am speaking out of my dislike of classic cinema like DIARY OF A MAD BLACK WOMAN and classic television like The House of Payne. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart daryle@ wrote: ...are you speaking out of your dislike for Tyler's work, or his business? On Sep 3, 2008, at 2:35 PM, ravenadal wrote: Tyler Perry is the exception that proves the rule. He will remain an exception until there are two (and, frankly, I think ONE Tyler Perry is too much). ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockworkman@ wrote: Sorry it took me so long to respond... Tyler Perry proved that there is no excuse. People dont green light Spike Lee because he is Spike Lee it comes with baggage...including Black baggage.. c w m On 8/31/08, ravenadal ravenadal@ wrote: the missing ingredient...money. If the studios would green light these movies they would get made. In his interviews for his new movie Spike Lee bemoans the fact that even after producing the most financially successful movie of his career (THE INSIDE MAN)he STILL could not get studio financing for his next project. You might suggest these black actors, writers, directors put up their own money but that is a fool's errand. In the rigged game of film financing and film distribution an idealistic fool and his money would be quickly separated. ~(no)rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com, Omari Confer clockworkman@ wrote: I think that Black Hollywood is too busy pouting to put out great work...with great actors We have writers... We have directors.. We have actors.. wtf? On 8/31/08, KeithBJohnson@ KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Yeah i loved Brooks' turn as a criminal boss in The Big Hit. So sad he doesn't do more movies -- Original message -- From: Omari Confer clockworkman@ That I agree with.Though he might be better as a villian of some kind.. On 8/30/08, KeithBJohnson@ KeithBJohnson@ wrote: There's an interesting idea! Actually, Brooks was one of my first choices for Professor Robinson! He and Angela Bassett would be quite a pair. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal ravenadal@ Excellent casting in the Age of Obama. May I suggest Avery Brooks as the voice of the Robot? ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.comscifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: My picks: Professor John
[scifinoir2] Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles on Tonight
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Furlong was basically playing himself in T2 so that Connor had all of Furlong's teen actor angst. I don't know what's up with the new guy. The alterations in the time stream are apparently taking away John Connor's swagger. actually, doesn't he seem to have gotten *more* timid by T3 than he was in T2? At least in T2 he was cool with the bike riding and all the hacking and stuff -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nah, remember in T3, he¹s still a wuss. This series is right in step between the two movies. On 1/16/08 12:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, and isn't this a year or two after T2? Thought he'd gained some skills in that whole affair -- Original message -- From: tetsuwanatom1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tetsuwan% 40comcast.net --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com , Daryle yokozuna@ wrote: If this current incarnation of John Connor is to lead a revolution he needs to man up. He's a wee whiny. So I watched the second episode last night and...and so I like Summer Glau (I already liked her in Firefly) -- but I think this is totally a one season show. On 1/15/08 9:16 AM, B. Smith daikaiju66@ wrote: I thought K-Ville wrapped up production due to the writers strike. it wasn't my favorite show but I watched it because it was filmed in my hometown and pumped some cash into the local economy. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com , KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Not sure if everyone was aware the show was airing tonight, after Prison Break. I think this might be its regular time slot, now that K*ville has been cancelled [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Smith co-stars in sci-fi movie
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More importantly, why the need to SPECIFY it's a stepson? NFN, I saw the original again a few nights ago. Rennie's constant, Oh you silly humans mugging is quaint. I wonder what Reeves can do with the role. Also, I hope Gort is bad ass. true, but why add a black child nd then give us anothe absent father? it's time to make a statement! :) -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, have you seen the original? There IS no sign of the father. His mom is dating some dude. They live in a boarding house, where Klaatu also has a room. On 1/15/08 12:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: okay, so the Black kid has a white stepmom. Dare i hope her Black husband is going to be *alive* in the film and survive to the end of the movie? -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:yokozuna%40globalsoulmedia.com source: Hollywood Reporter Smith down to 'Earth' for sci-fi re-do By Leslie Simmons Jan 15, 2008 Jaden Smith has landed a part in Fox's sci-fi thriller The Day the Earth Stood Still. Smith will play the rebellious Jacob, the 8-year-old stepson of scientist Helen Benson (Jennifer Connelly) who first makes contact with the humanoid alien Klaatu (Keanu Reeves). Kathy Bates and Golden Globe winner Jon Hamm also star. Scott Derrickson is directing the contemporary reinvention of the 1951 Fox classic being produced by Erwin Stoff, Gregory Goodman and Paul Boardman. It is filming in Vancouver. David Scarpa penned the screenplay about Klaatu's arrival on Earth that triggers a global upheaval as governments and scientists race to unravel the mystery behind his appearance. Smith's Jacob and stepmother Helen get caught up in Klaatu's mission, coming to understand the ramifications of his being a self- described friend to the Earth. The 9-year-old is the son of Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith. He co-starred in 2006 with his father in The Pursuit of Happyness, for which he won a Teen Choice Award and an MTV Movie Award. Smith is repped by WMA's Nicole David and Overbrook Management's James Lassiter and Miguel Melendez. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Entertainers in Steroid Report
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clef took roids in a vain attempt to move his hairline forward. Hold on...why do we care that Mary J Blige has taken steroids again? She can¹t stay in key with or withOUT em. Is this satire? On 1/15/08 6:36 PM, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RB music star Mary J. Blige, rap musicians 50 Cent, Timbaland and Wyclef Jean, and award-winning author and producer Tyler Perry (say it ain't so!) ~rave! http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8U5PVS00show_article=1 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php? id=D8U5PVS00amp;show_article=1 ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - A number of entertainers were named in connection with an Albany-based steroid investigation, but they are not part of an ongoing criminal probe, according to a published report. The Times Union of Albany cited unidentified law enforcement officials in reporting Sunday that RB music star Mary J. Blige, rap musicians 50 Cent, Timbaland and Wyclef Jean, and award-winning author and producer Tyler Perry may have received or used performance- enhancing drugs. Law enforcement officials have said evidence does not indicate that the celebrities broke the law, but that investigators are focusing on doctors, pharmacists and clinics that provide the drugs. Albany District Attorney P. David Soares launched the investigation into steroid trafficking last year. Soares is not confirming, denying or discussing any of the names involved in the investigation, said spokeswoman Heather Streeter Orth. A spokeswoman for Blige denied the singer had taken illegal steroids. Ken Sunshine, a spokesman for Perry, declined to comment. There was no response to calls Sunday and Monday seeking comment from representatives of other entertainers. While athletes use steroids and human growth hormone to get bigger, faster and stronger, the drugs can also lure other people with their supposed anti-aging qualities. Soares' multistate investigation has focused on Signature Pharmacy of Orlando, Fla. So far, 10 defendants have pleaded guilty and news reports have linked some professional athletes to Soares' probe. Soares has said Signature was at the center of a web of businesses and doctors that illegally wrote prescriptions for steroids. Authorities raided the company almost a year ago and its owners and operators are awaiting trial in Albany on related charges. Records shared with the Times Union and information from several cooperating witnesses on Long Island allege the celebrities received prescribed human growth hormone or steroids, the newspaper said. The newspaper said that Blige received the human growth hormone Jentropin and Oxandrolone, an anabolic steroid, in orders sent to her at the Beverly Hills Hotel. Her spokeswoman denounced the report. Mary J. Blige has never taken any performance enhancing illegal steroids, Karynne Tencer told the Daily News. Former Sen. George Mitchell released a report last month on performance-enhancing drugs in baseball. That report said former Mets clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski provided steroids and human growth hormone linked to several prominent players. Radomski pleaded guilty last year to charges that he dealt steroids to players for a decade. Congressional hearings are to begin this month on the Mitchell report. Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles on Tonight
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If this current incarnation of John Connor is to lead a revolution he needs to man up. He's a wee whiny. So I watched the second episode last night and...and so I like Summer Glau (I already liked her in Firefly) -- but I think this is totally a one season show. On 1/15/08 9:16 AM, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought K-Ville wrapped up production due to the writers strike. it wasn't my favorite show but I watched it because it was filmed in my hometown and pumped some cash into the local economy. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com , KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Not sure if everyone was aware the show was airing tonight, after Prison Break. I think this might be its regular time slot, now that K*ville has been cancelled [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: How the iPhone Blew Up the Wireless Industry
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My aunt and uncle gave me an Ipod for Xmas last year and I returned it. I already have a Sony w810i phone and I'm fine with it though you can't fast foward through songs. The niece of one of my co-workers has a zune and I got to play with it a bit. I like the software better than the ipod. Funny you should put it that way. The new Zune is actually a superior mp3/media device than the iPod ever was. Microsoft has actually created a superior product but nobody talks about it. On 1/11/08 4:15 PM, Bosco Bosco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have not used an I-Phone. I absolutely HAAAEEE I-Pods. They are most restrictive counterintuitive device in that market. I will give Apple Props for providing people with less and getting them to pay way way more for it. If, in deed Apple has redrawn the wireless playing field, I'll give them props for that but I won't support the device until the iron out it's flaws. It's amazing to me at least how much more Apple becomes like Microsoft every year. B --- Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: The demo was not going well. Again. It was a late morning in the fall of 2006. Almost a year earlier, Steve Jobs had tasked about 200 of Apple's top engineers with creating the iPhone. Yet here, in Apple's boardroom, it was clear that the prototype was still a disaster. It wasn't just buggy, it flat-out didn't work. The phone dropped calls constantly, the battery stopped charging before it was full, data and applications routinely became corrupted and unusable. The list of problems seemed endless. At the end of the demo, Jobs fixed the dozen or so people in the room with a level stare and said, We don't have a product yet. The effect was even more terrifying than one of Jobs' trademark tantrums. When the Apple chief screamed at his staff, it was scary but familiar. This time, his relative calm was unnerving. It was one of the few times at Apple when I got a chill, says someone who was in the meeting. The ramifications were serious. The iPhone was to be the centerpiece of Apple's annual Macworld convention, set to take place in just a few months. Since his return to Apple in 1997, Jobs had used the event as a showcase to launch his biggest products, and Apple-watchers were expecting another dramatic announcement. Jobs had already admitted that Leopard ââ¬âEthe new version of Apple's operating system à ¢â¬âEwould be delayed. If the iPhone wasn't ready in time, Macworld would be a dud, Jobs' critics would pounce, and Apple's stock price could suffer. This 4.8-ounce sliver of glass and aluminum is an explosive device that has forever changed the mobile-phone business, wresting power from carriers and giving it to manufacturers, developers, and consumers. And what would ATT think? After a year and a half of secret meetings, Jobs had finally negotiated terms with the wireless division of the telecom giant (Cingular at the time) to be the iPhone's carrier. In return for five years of exclusivity, roughly 10 percent of iPhone sales in ATT stores, and a thin slice of Apple's iTunes revenue, ATT had granted Jobs unprecedented power. He had cajoled ATT into spending millions of dollars and thousands of man-hours to create a new feature, so-called visual voicemail, and to reinvent the time-consuming in-store sign-up process. He'd also wrangled a unique revenue-sharing arrangement, garnering roughly $10 a month from every iPhone customer's ATT bill. On top of all that, Apple retained complete control over the design, manufacturing, and marketing of the iPhone. Jobs had done the unthinkable: squeezed a good deal out of one of the largest players in the entrenched wireless industry. Now, the least he could do was meet his deadlines. For those working on the iPhone, the next three months would be the most stressful of their careers. Screaming matches broke out routinely in the hallways. Engineers, frazzled from all-night coding sessions, quit, only to rejoin days later after catching up on their sleep. A product manager slammed the door to her office so hard that the handle bent and locked her in; it took colleagues more than an hour and some well- placed whacks with an aluminum bat to free her. But by the end of the push, just weeks before Macworld, Jobs had a prototype to show to the suits at ATT. In mid-December 2006, he met wireless boss Stan Sigman at a suite in the Four Seasons hotel in Las
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Obama, Huckabee Win Big in Iowa
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/4/2008 2:56:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was not aware that conservatives liked him as you suggested. In Iowa, at least, conservatives do. More Republicans caucused with the democrats and voted for Obama than voted for Huck. WHITE REPUBLICANS jumped ship to vote for the Black candidate. This could be part of their misguided strategy to subvert the electable candidate, still, numbers mean something. Barack Obama on his name alone would be considered an unsafe Black man. He's presented himself as the intelligent but not intellectual, affable and approachable, Black but not too Black candidate. His image is fine toned, make no mistake. White people are for the most part totally confused about the issue of his Blackness and I doubt it factors in either way unless they are associating (or confusing) Blackness with how much is he like me? Many have tried to portray him as someone with Muslim extremists roots and drug taking. That is an odd way of showing that you like someone in my opinion. While I have seen the talking heads say last night that him being third world can help us become of the world, I've never heard anyone say they like him because he is biracial. Even if someone thought that, I do not think they would say it, because it might be perceived as racist. Tracy What is said in newspaper articles and internet discussions is difference what is heard on tv. From some of the more conservative points of view,an Obama win would be an end to the Jesse Jackson type of black american. An end to affirmative action and to blacks complaing about racism aka the Jena 6 kind of marches. In some cases Black men have it easier than White women. I don't believe that black men are always downtrodden when they step outside the door until they get home. Alot of thlem do have it easier than white women because they are men. Despite the idea that affirmative action has benefitted white females. Black males have benefitted from being men. Someties race is not an issue. You are right that some people don't like Clinto because she is Clinton. However I don't like the liberal hype that Obama will be any different than any other person. If the liberal Demoract Congress is any indication that it will be SSDD. If you listen to Juan Willams and other talk about him, they feel that is is the kind of black that should be leading america. **Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise? NCID=aolcmp0030002489 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] toys toys toys was Re: National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tetsu-chan has much love for Thomas. I stumble over Thomas and Friends every night and every morning. Wooden (wifey's preference), die cast, plastic, no matter, he wants them . . . ALL. However, I pulled a JACK move and introduced him to the adventures of Superman and Batman on Jetix. He may well be too young but I'm starting him early. To that end, I bought him a set of JUSTICE LEAGUE figures (based on the CN animation). Thing is, the figures kind of suck. Too hard to stand up for a 3 year old. Anyone collecting these sets have any recommendations? What a great way to head of the mania...and a smarter investment! I have taken a cursory scan of eBay to see what the value of all the metal sets and trains he has (the Thomas recall affected a very specific model that we didn¹t have) -- and it¹s not that great a return. On 12/26/07 3:14 PM, James Landrith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fortunately, my son skipped out on Thomas. He did get into wooden trains though. We (me, wife and my father) bought him one of those expensive Brio sets for his 4th birthday. For various birthdays and Christmases following, he received add-on tunnels, new cars, etc. Charles spent many hours assembling, disassembling and experimenting with track configurations. At 10, he doesn't play with it much anymore, but being of solid wood and in excellent condition - he'll be able to pass it on (hundreds of pieces, cars, add-ons, etc.) to his children. I think this expensive Brio set was our way of heading off the Thomas mania before it started... -Original Message- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com ] Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 3:07 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :( Thomas is still big, she is just not that into him and there was a major recall recently, so we embraced her inner Car to make up for not having the train. Besides, have you watched Thomas the Train? What are they teaching kids? how to be petty, tease friends and be cruel while respecting the corporate bosses !?!?! I'm left scratching my head at the end of some of those episodes. She has not seen Static yet, but she loves Superman and Batman, so I introduced her to Power Puffs last week and she was hooked. There was a Green Lantern Show? When? Fortunately, Lazytown and Barney were not obsessive, however, Dora is to some degree. Most of the shows, she needs to see alot of I like or can tolerate. However, once she is done with seeing them over and over and over, I need a break from them all. Daryle wrote: Be glad you missed the ³Thomas² phase. My son¹s the same age. ³Thomas² type kids are obsessive collectors, and my son is one. We missed Barney completely. We did ³Thomas², ³Cars², and ³Static Shock². Well, we¹re still doing ³Static Shock², actually. (Because dad is not having a ³Superman² phase without at least a Green Lantern or SOME brother in the mix) I¹m so mad they canceled that show I don¹t know what to do. I only have it on VHS. As for ³Lazy Town²...God bless you. That show is entirely too damn loud. We bought those Nick Jr DVDs (they run like 6 hours!) so that he isn¹t exposed to the commercials between the shows and Lazy Town is on it. As much as I wanna support the show because of Pixel...that show is just no go. ³Dora² also yells throughout her whole show, but at least I can tolerate the music. On 12/26/07 2:43 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I know it is inevitable. I just survived Barney and Lazy Town. Don't you remember just a few short days ago, I told you we had to watch the Grinch five times a day and then listen to the soundtrack a few dozen times or how we have to watch Cars, draw Cars, color Cars, build cars, be Cars (by poor husband is often Mater) and play with Cars around the clock. but you can't blame me for doing whatever it took to avert the alvin and the chipmunks tragedy! [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Give it up, Tracey. Every parent is curse by one phenom of the times that he/she finds execrable, but which the kids love with a non- stop mania. It could be that purple dinosaur singing, non-stop, or those strange Teletubbies with their chirping noises and curious drug-induced- seeming plots. Or it might even be a halfway decent show that, after the thousandth viewing, simply makes you want
[scifinoir2] McDuffie's BBS?
Anyone here participate? Some interesting discussion going down, like how much Torchwood sucks (truly does) or the anti John Stewart, pro Hal Jordan battle among fandom being about race.
[scifinoir2] Re: Writer Reveals Trek Details
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, yinka oyekunle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps it's just me, but this SCREAMS preemptory strike on bad publicity from TREK fans, all the obsequeousness about how the fans are the stewards of continuity. Like they give a damn. Nice try, but fans are going to gripe anyway. They should start with the fact that the TRANSFORMERS scribe is doing the script for a franchise that's prided itself on a higher level of thinking (even if it hasn't always been on that level) When I watched Star Trek, I was always under the impression that Kirk was the main protagonist (I guess that it helped him doing all the star logs getting the girl... albeit being a green woman or something). It just seems like an odd I'd say purposefull move to not include Shatner. To me, it's like doing a remake of the old Batman tv show featuring Burt Ward (is that the actors name who played Robin) not featuring Adam West @ all. Anyone else have an idea as to why Shatner was snubbed? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: love Spock, but i'm curious how Kirk will fit in, and why Shatner wasn't needed for much? Is it because they killed' Kirk in Generations, so he's technically dead during the time when Nimoy's Spock is to be featured? (I've always assumed that Kirk isn't really, permanently dead, given the possibilities of the Nexus) -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Writer Reveals Trek Details http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=46451 Roberto Orci, co-writer of director J.J. Abram's highly anticipated Star Trek movie, told SCI FI Wire that the tightly guarded story for the upcoming franchise reboot depends heavily on the appearance of original series star Leonard Nimoy. Orci (Transformers) added that the movie will explore Trek history that hasn't been mined before and confirmed that the story will take place before the events of the original series. There were many, many elements of the story that we had talked about just theoretically if ever Star Trek were to come back, Orci said in an interview in November. There was lots of stuff we wanted to do, and that was a blessing. Normally you don't have that much investment and research for a project you get hired to do. If you are a fan of [classic] Star Trek, there is a lot of unexplored history. With the original series, there was so much that could have come before it. It felt like it has been The Next Generation and The Next, Next Generation for so long, it seemed like a fresh thing to go back to the source and to go back to what happened before it. The crux of the screenplay involves the appearance of Nimoy in his iconic role as Spock. I think a lot of people were speculating that we must have had multiple ideas [for the script], Orci said. The truth is that we took a gigantic gamble in terms of the movie we wanted to do, and it was essential that we had Nimoy. Frankly, I didn't understand any other way to do it. We didn't have a Plan B. I think that would have shown that we didn't have a true, singular vision of what we wanted to do, so it was essential for us to get Nimoy. It was a gigantic gamble, and I can't even believe that J.J. supported that kind of a gamble, but I think he understood it was the way to do it and a way to get the blessing for Star Trek, to show there is continuity for the spirit of what it was before. So when Nimoy said yes, not only as a fan was it was a relief, if that didn't work, I don't know where we would be! Orci, who previously tackled a beloved franchise with Transformers (which he co-wrote with partner Alex Kurtzman), said that adapting Trek was even harder because of the dedicated fan base watching every move. The dangers are that now you are opening up yourself to the fact that the fans know what you know about the characters, Orci said. They have their own ideas about what should be done and what is right for the franchise. So the goal with this movie is twofold. One is to make sure that the fans--who have been the stewards of the continuity and who are some of the most savvy and intelligent fans of any franchise ever- -that they be satisfied with anything that has the name Star Trek on it. But, more importantly, the goal is really to introduce casual fans and people who don't know Star Trek at all to this universe and to connect it to today. ... The goal of Star Trek ... is that if you don't like sci-fi or know Star Trek, this will bring you into the world. Star Trek opens on Christmas Day 2008. --Tara DiLullo Bennett Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - Be a
[scifinoir2] Re: Morgan Freeman's Rama Close To Reality?
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want to see Smith in this should it ever get to the screen. I could see Will in that. But it wouldn't get Keith his love story. ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Childhood's End is the Arthur C. Clarke book I would like to see made into a movie. Best yet: it could star Will Smith as Jan Rodricks, a brilliant young black man with a strong interest in astronomy and space exploration (brother of Maia Rodricks, the most beautiful woman in the world). Jan represents humanity's inability to ever be satisfied, to ever be truly content, or have its curiosity sated. It is admirable that Jan rejects the blandness and boredom of utopia in favor of taking risks (i.e., sneaking onto the Overlords' ship). It seems likely that there would be many more men and women like Jan in a world such as the Overlords'. Satisfaction in life, no matter how good, has never been one of humanity's strong suits. Jan is a symbol of that truth, and it is fitting that he is the last witness to the destruction and transfiguration of mankind. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: We were just talking about this last week... http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0id=46413 Freeman's Rama Close To Reality? Morgan Freeman told SCI FI Wire that his long-held dream of producing and starring in a big-screen adaptation of Arthur C. Clarke's SF novel Rendezvous With Rama is closer than ever to becoming a reality. That is going to happen, Freeman said in an interview while promoting his latest film, The Bucket List. Thank heaven, that is going to happen. We're looking for that to start in the next year. Rendezvous with Rama, which was published in 1972, follows a group of human explorers who intercept and try to unlock the secrets of an alien spaceship that has approached Earth. Freeman would play the commander of the Endeavor, the deep-space maintenance ship used to rendezvous with the alien craft. The story itself is the idea that we can be visited from outer space, Freeman said. The idea that we're the only living intelligent creatures is ... you can't really believe that. Well, you can, but if you think about it for a while, what if there are other intelligent creatures- -and I firmly believe there are--what does that tell us? We're going to imagine that they're going to have to look something like us, and if they don't look like us what does that tell us about God? Freeman has had Rendezvous With Rama on his radar for nearly a decade, but this is the closest it's been to happening. It's listed not only as announced on the Internet Movie Database, but it's also on the Web site of Freeman's production company, Revelations Entertainment, which classifies it as in development. We have been in close contact with Arthur C. Clarke, Freeman said. As a matter of fact, I went to Sri Lanka just to have a sit-down with him. I'm very excited about this. When the people at [NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory] learned that we had this project we got calls from them. 'Any help you need, any help at all. ... ' Freeman added: So we've been trying to develop a script. It's a very large project. You have got to develop the script, and you have got to design spaceships. And because Arthur C. Clarke wrote it, and because it's so much real science involved, we can't take too many liberties. --Ian Spelling There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Speaking of Will Smith
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This may have been discussed here, can't quite recall, however I do recall some discussion on the film. The first script resembled SHANE a lot and the relationship with the married woman was supposed to be an emotional affair, which suggested a lot of longing glances and no sealing of the deal. This may have changed . . . Has anyone heard anything about Hancock? His first Superhero flick. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0448157/ http://gamera-spinning.livejournal.com/1455030.html Looks cute. He DOES have a relationship w ith a white woman, so I dunno how well that'll go over. JJ Mohareb -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
[scifinoir2] Re: Not Feeling Bionic Woman
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And add to all this: * Katie Sackhoff has evidently left the show, meaning the most interesting person is gone. * Isaiah Washington has (apparently) left the show, meaning the second most interesting person is gone. * A least two or three times, Jamie's high-speed run has been rendered in slo-mo at least part of the time, something the producers said they'd never do. Losing the old slo-mo is one of the few things I *liked* about the new version. Oh--and they changed the opening sequence to be more exciting, a move of desperation, I'll warrant. Really not feeling this show. Anyone still watching? I watched two of the first three and one thereafter. I saw a screener of the pilot which made me want to watch the series, that and anticipation of Washington's appearance on the show. The failures of the show lie at the feet of the writers and producers soley. Part of the problem is that they've limited themselves by patterning themselves after ALIAS and aiming at a young female audience (thus the intolerable subplot with the little sister, bland boyfriend, etc). Also, they simply cannot write dialogue AT ALL. This is the problem of only wanting young writers on TV shows. They learned how to write dialogue from watching TV. (the dialogue is no better on HEROES I might ad, I've only watched once this season) Ryan is fine, her supporting cast is fine (some, the elder actors are of course quite good. Ferrer could prolly do this thing with ad libs alone). Sackhoff overdoes her eye rolling psycho to distraction at times. Still, you can't make a good football from bad leather, as this show proves. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith Johnson) I'm on the cusp of making a big decision for me: voluntarily giving up watching a sci-fi themed show. The show? Bionic Woman. Even if it's not torpedoed by the writers' strike, i'm just not feeling this show. I've watched every ep (a couple twice) and it just simply leaves me cold. I keep thinking about it over and over, and the reasons keep coming back to the same ones: * Jamie is the least interesting character - watching this week's ep (Jamie and her CIA lover go to Paris to get a bad guy) my wife comments on how sinister Jamie's boss and his number one (the hatchet- faced lady) are. They're kind of scary--like real spies, she said. And of course, when Katie Sackhoff comes onscreen, she's got the tortured psychotic part down just right. Even Jamie's Asian fight instructor has a basic presence (though underused). Isaiah Washington as the nice-seeming-but-deadly agent has loads of untapped depth that has yet to be explored. But Michelle Ryan as Jamie? A really nice girl, but she seems a bit too bland for me. Even when Jamie gets mad, she still isn't all that powerful a presence. I keep thinking that if they'd wanted an edgy show, Sackhoff should have been made the heroine. Even as a good girl, Sackhoff could have brought a toughness and sometimes danger that would have been attention getting. Lindsay Wagner was a nice person too, but she is light years ahead of Ryan. Nothing agains the actress, but I just ain't feeling her as a spy--even a novice one. * Jamie's too young - I know i've said this over and over and over, but i tire of this new trend of getting young ladies barely out of high school for lead roles. Buffy was cool, so was Jen Garner in Alias. I get it: young, girlish stars are more vulnerable- seeming, they pull you in emotionally. But once Whedon populated the great Firefly with mostly young man, once Singer brought in the woefully miscast Kate Bosworth in Superman Returns, I was tired of the trend. Jamie's supposed to be a secret agent, yet she runs around acting like a high schooler at times: whining over her one- night-stand CIA lover not calling her back, hanging out in bars like a college girl. In tonight's show, she actually posed as a tenured professor from Stanford! I couldn't buy it for a sec. Can someone give me a woman with a little more maturity and presence, not all these fragile young girls who are supposed to pull at my heartstrings? I keep missing of Karen Sisko and Threshold. Now *there's* a tough, cool lady for you! * The domestic and young angst stuff doesn't work - Bionic Woman is two shows, one about a cyborg secret agent, the other about a young lady trying to keep her sister in check, and have a life for herself. The two don't mesh very well. Whenever Jamie and her sis do the cutesy stuff--Jamie burning breakfast, Jamie rushing to a high school play, little sis having a house part--the show comes to a crashing halt, and my interest drops precipitously. I don't really care about her sister's teenage crushes, don't want to see her act in school plays. Whenever she and Jamie have a heart-to-heart about their absent dad, or Jamie's at a bar with
[scifinoir2] Re: Battlestar's Sackhoff Off Bionic Woman?
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, no further sign of bad Internet journalism. He quoted a blog without doing any kind of fact checking? Well it is IGN, so that's excusable, however I heard USA Today has picked this up as well. I just found the Live Journal and checked the comments, simple enough. Sheesh. Battlestar's Sackhoff Off Bionic Woman? Katee Sackhoff says her bionic days are over. by Eric Goldman November 26, 2007 - Katee Sackhoff recently appeared at a Battlestar Galactica convention and made comments that seem to say her time on Bionic Woman is over. The report, also picked up by TV Guide, comes from a LiveJournal blog run by user RoadRunnerDM, who states that during her QA Sackhoff said she was done with the series. According to the report, Sackhoff did have a meeting scheduled with one of the producers after Thanksgiving but does not expect to return to the show even if it does resume production following the current Writers Guild strike. The blog report says that Sackhoff didn't give a specific reason for leaving the series, on which she had a recurring role as the villainous Sarah Corvus. However, the writer of the blog says that he felt Sackhoff's thinly veiled sassy comments made it pretty apparent that there isn't a lot of love going on between her and [Bionic star] Michelle Ryan. The report notes that the last Bionic episode filmed before the strike was the eleventh and that Sackhoff said it could serve as a series finale if the show doesn't return. [Update: We contacted NBC and were told that this week's episode, the eighth one, is actually the last one that will be completed while the strike is underway]. Bionic Woman's ratings have fallen dramatically since the series debuted, making its return highly questionable. The deal Sackhoff signed with Bionic Woman this summer was for six episodes total, including the pilot. She's appeared on four episodes so far, but it's unclear if she fulfilled her initial contract and filmed two more appearances for upcoming episodes or not. http://tv.ign.com/articles/837/837555p1.html
[scifinoir2] Re: Beowulf Leads Weekend Box Office
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Beowulf did 28 mil at the box office (45 mil if you count foreign, and EYE do!) Regarding American Gangster, the bootleg copy of that movie is so crispy (clear) you would think it was released on purpose as a marketing tool. I have long been of the opinion that bootlegs help creative artists. Tyler Perry gained most of his penetration in the black community via illegal bootlegs of his plays. Bootlegs are a viral form of advertising as most bootleggers are aggressive is selling their wares and often push product their customers may not have been aware of heretofore. I saw my first Tyler Perry play on a bootleg disk: Diary of a Mad Black Woman. I don't know what bootleg you've seen however there is a dvd floating around on the net and it appears to be from a DVD screener that they send out academy voters and/or critics. I bet it was posted by a disgruntled , striking writer. heh On the Tyler Perry tip, someone remarked that if Gangster had gone head-to-head with Tyler Perry's Why Did I Get Married, it would not have fared so well. Well, Gangster took in more in its first weekend than Married took in in its entire run. Perry's Achilles' heel is that his core audience, middle-aged, church-going, black women, are only going to put down their money ONCE. So Perry opens big, then quickly peters out. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Well Beowulf did pretty well. Anyone see it? and check American Gangster: over one hundred mill to date--and that's not counting the money lost to the incredible number of bootlegs! ** 3-D 'Beowulf' pops with movie audiences By Thomas K. Arnold, Special for USA TODAY Paramount Pictures' 3-D gambit paid off this weekend. Beowulf easily captured No. 1 at the box office over the weekend, but the nature of its power remains murky. CHART: The weekend's top 10 films Director Robert Zemeckis' computer-animated feature based on the Old English epic poem grossed $28.1 million, according to estimates from box-office trackers Nielsen EDI. About 40% of that was from 3- D showings, though just 20% of prints offered the extra dimension. Some analysts wonder whether audiences were more drawn to 3-D than the film itself. There were folks watching the trailers in 2-D on television who weren't that impressed, says Gregg Kilday, film editor for The Hollywood Reporter. And a lot of the reviews said the movie was worth seeing in 3-D. So the question becomes, how many folks were able to get to 3-D theaters, and did that come at the expense of 2-D engagements? FIND MORE STORIES IN: Entertainment | Paramount Pictures | IMAX | Ray Winstone With a budget at a reported $150 million, Beowulf has been seen as a pricey experiment in film technology, a hybrid of live-action, digital animation and 3-D projection, including an updated Real D technology. Those behind the film and the technique saw a clear win. It's great for the future of 3-D, says Rob Moore, marketing and distribution chief for Paramount Pictures. 3-D is clearly becoming an important part of the moviemaking future, says Greg Foster of IMAX Filmed Entertainment. The point has been made that moviegoing audiences are looking for unique ways to view and experience classic films as well as new titles, says Real D's Michael Lewis. The computer-animated 3-D/IMAX formula has worked in the past for children's movies such as Polar Express (also a Zemeckis effort). The transition to older audiences appears to be working; Paramount reports that half of audiences were over age 25. Beyond No. 1: Repeats still sweet.Bee Movie was a solid No. 2 its third weekend with $14.3 million. And American Gangster secured third with $13.2 million and crossed the $100 million mark to $101 million. Family films positioned for holiday.Fred Claus, which opened last week at a disappointing No. 3, slipped to No. 4, but its $12 million gross is down just 35%, which should bode well as the comedy moves into Thanksgiving week. Mr. Magorium's Wonder Emporium, with Dustin Hoffman and Natalie Portman, opened fifth with $10 million. In limited release.Margot at the Wedding opened on two screens in Manhattan and grossed $82,929 for a per-screen average of $41,464, the highest average of any film of the weekend Eand a career high for writer/director Noah Baumbach. Margot expands into the top 12 markets this weekend. Final numbers are due Monday. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Womens Murder Club/2
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RE: race and Patterson, I dunno. Seems he has a better track record in print. Cross is written as a Black man. The books had an Asian female lead (a Yuki Costellano or something) who was written out of the show after the pilot (though now the IMDB has Linda Park in the cast in a supporting role). How does one have a show set in San Fransisco with no Asians? It's like setting a sitcom in NYC with no Latinos. . . . oh wait, yeah, nevermind. I think the original poster might be confusing the two stories; there's a new Cross movie being planned and it is thought that Freeman is too old now to play Cross (as if he wasn't too old in 92) and Boris' name is in the mix. Might Boris be too young? What about Ejiofor? Henry Simmons? I¹ve been hearing a little bit of talk about this show, most of it negative, all of it based on race of the characters. The show is based on a series of James Patterson novels. So are the Alex Cross books. Alex Cross is portrayed by Morgan Freeman in the movies. Boris Kodjoe is not listed or attached to this project at all. However, Tyrees Allen and Paula Newsome are on the show. Is it that James Patterson is supposed to be racist, or is it ABC, or what? What is the deal with this show? Has anybody even seen it? On 10/28/07 2:36 PM, jagrslc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SOrry about that -- the email just WENT! So... What are the odds of Boris O. Kodjoe [ http://img18.photobucket.com/albums/v55/rosietulips/Men/110302002- boris_kodjoe .jpg ] becoming the love interest to Angie Harmon? Methinks a snow hath a better chance in hell! RS=D [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Blade May be Remade without Snipes
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holy Highlander! Why is it necessary to reboot this series? It¹s an ongoing story. We¹ve all seen the first one. If ³Superman² has taught us nothing else...there¹s no need to retell a story we already know. Just pick up where you left off and keep it movin¹. It's the lesson of the revolving Bruce Waynes. Every year that there was discussion of a Batman movie, the buzz generated by the question of who would play the role was worth about 10M PR dollars, and those crap movies needed all the PR they could get. A Blade reboot is newsier than continuing with a new actor (which is basically what they're doing, isn't it?). Then again, I thought Trinity was supposed to be a reboot. People mention MJ White on the Internets a lot (for a lot of movies) however he isn't all that charismatic. I like him fine, I just can't see him as a leading man. Blade as ass-kicking Wu-Shu expert comes from the movies, not the source, so we don't have to have a martial artist in the role. On 10/31/07 12:22 PM, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blade 2 is cheesy? More cheese please. I know Snipes legal troubles and onset behavior are the main reasons he won't get to play the role again but I hate the Hollywood trend of casting for young and hot. If it was a perfect world I'd cast Michael Jai White. I imagine he's too old for Hollywood and not bankable enough but he has the perfect skillset to play Blade. I don't know if I would do a complete reboot but they may have painted themselves in a corner after the last movie. Maybe they need to have him face a non-vampiric big bad to shake things up. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2% 40yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote: Blade Remade? Franchise reboot may be in the works. by IGN Staff http://movies.ign.com/articles/830/830575p1.html October 26, 2007 - Could there be a new, reworked version of Marvel's Blade headed to the big screen? Initially, the thought of a Blade franchise reboot sounds kind of crazy, but when you think about it, the first film in the series is already almost 10 years old. And with the later films in the franchise becoming increasingly cheesy, maybe it's not a bad idea. The Bloody-Digusting.com website reports that just such a move is being plotted right now in Hollywood. A source for the website contends that the comic property (we assume this means Marvel and/or the creative team currently working on the comic) is pushing for the redo rather than New Line, who may or may not be involved. Marvel is currently attempting to relaunch the Hulk franchise in a similar fashion, which could have them feeling their oats and looking for other stale properties to freshen up. The Blade do-over chatter could also be fueled by the hot-as-fire vampire movie trend that just won't let up (see Underworld 3). - New Line Blade: Trinity was likely Snipes' swan song. Were there a new school version of Blade launched, Wesley Snipes would undoubtedly be replaced in the lead role. Who would you like to see fill his shoes? And what do you think of the Blade reboot whole idea in general? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Transformers movie
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Y'all should check out Nathan Lee's review in the Voice this week (I know nobody reads the Voice anymore, but). It's possibly better than seeing it . . . yeah, the more I think about Spider-Man 3, the less I like it. I actually like Transformers better... -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] hahaha! that's what I thought the answer was. I don't know if I'd call it a train wreck, though, you can look away. Spider Man 3? THAT's a train wreck. On Jul 5, 2007, at 4:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can answer that: must have seen the train wreck that was the first FF movie -- Original message -- From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wow. refuse? That's pretty strong. Why the absolute NO on FF2? On Jul 5, 2007, at 2:58 PM, Said Kakese Dibinga wrote: Oh yeah, thats right. I remember seeing that in the commercial since I refuse to pay to see Fantastic Four 2 in a movie theater. I guess we'll have to make do with the cloud from The Fifth Element making a guest appearance as Galactus in Fantastic Four 2. www.onceuponatimeinthecongo.com - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Transformers movie
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Regal cinemas here have started limiting matinees to only the first screening of the day. Carmike still has the discounted showings ending at 6PM, yet with fewer afternoon shows. These people are really out to get us. We've recently started a smuggling scheme (sodas and karinto). Then again, I don't eat in press screenings why I gotta eat when I'm already paying? Matinee, my friend. Matinee. I haven't gone to see a movie at 8pm in a long time. I'm out of here in like 20 minutes to see it in Charlotte. 7 bucks. 8pm? $9.25. And I won't go into what's in the backpack when I roll to the multiplex... Daryle On Jul 3, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Reece Jennings wrote: I would, too...but the COST!!! How much are movies where you guys are? They're $10.00 here! I IMMEDIATELY played my Senior Citizen card...legally, of course. The age here is 60, and I'm 60 and a week today! By Cracky! Maurice Jennings Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure? You have a choice to Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks! Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation = http:// www.legacyhomesavers.com http://www.legacyhomesavers.com/ _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daryle Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:44 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Transformers movie This was the most effective review of this movie I've read yet. I'll be going this afternoon. On Jul 3, 2007, at 2:46 AM, Said Kakese Dibinga wrote: Just came out rom a Transformers screening. The human storyline is the usual Michael Bay soft-stuff. But when its time for the Transformers to get it on, they get it on. The battles are no joke. Said. www.onceuponatimeinthecongo.com - Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with theYahoo! Search weather shortcut. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Jolie Playing Pearl angers some Blacks
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, this is no race issue...No matter how hard you look at it...I have to say that what is happening is an overreaction to a non-issue...I fail to see any malice implied by by Joilie's portrayal of the role... I don't know that anyone is implying malice. No one is calling AJ a racist. I haven't seen that. You haven't even articulated a reason why you think this isn't a race issue. Well, I guess you'll be fine with Shatner starring in The Astromancer Story. Cool? -fin tetsuwanatom1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer cwbadie@ wrote: Thanks for your opinion...When you can give me a LOGICAL comeback, I'll change my position... Is someone trying to change your opinion? I didn't realize. No one has to make this a race issue, it already is by virtue of what's happening. You're free not to care, you asked why someone should, and I answered. You asked why can't someone enjoy the movie, I can't because it's terrible. For someone who seems to value logic, tell me how the old why don't you make your own movie is always an answer to questioning Hollywood's movtives regarding race? Ah, you don't like what's happening in Iraq? Why don't you take over the government!! See . . . tetsuwanatom1 tetsuwan@ wrote: --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin truthseeker_013@ wrote: (standing ovation) Astromancer cwbadie@ wrote: I can't keep quiet any longer...Why should anyone care??? Because of this. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/foster/sfeature/sf_minstrelsy.html Why can't someone just enjoy the damned moved and not make it a race issue??? Because the movie sucks. I understand about our exclusion for the media...but sometimes enough is enough...I have always felt that if someone has a complaint about such things, make the movies yourself... Oh brother. Okay. Give me 300 million and I'll make that sci- fantasy epic featuring one all Black nation. Saying that there are other things that one could better spend their time worrying about isn't really an answer. We can have more than one issue on our plate. Moreover, if AJ's playing Mrs Pearl is okay, what's to stop someone from deciding it's okay to slap make-up on Hopkins and let him play MLK? Think they wont? Martin truthseeker_013@ wrote: If she's going for the *soul*, the *why darken her skin*? Please remember- non-sensical ravings... KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Big conversations on an e-mail chain I'm on, and I suspect, around the country, about Jolie playing Mrs. Pearl. I'd never seen Mrs. Pearl before I saw her on Charlie Rose the other night, and was surprised to see obvious African heritage in her. Then I finally saw a picture of Jolie as Mrs. Pearl, and was surprised to see she had on makeup to darken her skin. Lots of Sisters are upset, others say that Mrs. Pearl is *not* majority Black, and has a right to choose whomever she wants to portray her. Pearl was going for the soul of the actress, not her skin, is the idea. What do you think? Is this an issue at all, or a non-issue? *** http://www.playahata.com/hatablog/index.php Angelina Jolie is a fair skinned white woman with blue/gray eyes but in a Mighty Heart she is playing an Afro Cuban/Dutch woman, a transformation eased with a wig, dark brown contact lenses and her make-up artist. The cross-racial casting left some upset, with criticisms ranging from, It rubs me wrong to it being a new generation of Hollywood in blackface. Most don't know that Mariane wanted Angelina to play her, asked her personally, and the two have become good friends. The HuffingtonPost was 1 of 6 outlets at a 20-minute round table with the actress, and asked, Were you nervous playing someone multiracial? Angelina fixed her eyes, fiddled with the $15,000 Cartier watch on her wrist, and answered: The idea is, if you ask Mariane, because she did address that, and if you did actually want to find somebody that was her exact makeup, she's actually majority Dutch, and she's as black as she is Chinese, and she's Cuban, and she's French. So, it could have gone to many different racial backgrounds, probably, if you went technical on it. And that, you know, is a reality. At the same time, to her, the importance was the essence of her spiritually, and I think that was what mattered and I think that is a question to ask her. But no, if you break down the DNA, it's very complex. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Jolie Playing Pearl angers some Blacks
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what you're saying is because she is white playing a woman who is racially mixed with black, it give the movie racial undertones? No. More accurately, it would be because she is a White woman playing a real life character who is multi-racial so an issue of race arises in regards to the portrayal. The movie itself doesn't have racial undertones (I'm a critic and I get to see some movies for free, to answer your bet below, you lose, not that it would matter re: this issue) One that comes to mind is Mercury Rising...The Main Character in the book was a black man, but in the movie, the character was played by Bruce Willis... Which is an entirely different issue, when a novel is changed as it is made into a film. White characters in novels end up being played by POC and vice versa. In those cases it would only become an issue if the change was made so as to side-step some question of race as a convenience. The matter with Mighty Heart is somewhat similar to Hopkins being cast in the adaptation of Amis' novel Human Stain. In that novel/film, the protagonist is a multi-racial man who was passing. They were able to find Wentworth Miller , a multi-racial man (who could pass), to play the protagonist as a young man, however, they chose Hopkins for reasons of his skill, box office draw, and likely because they couldn't find some multiracial man of that age. Also, they wanted to play a little game so we would discover the surprise of the character's background. The movie got a pass for those reasons. With Heart, Thandie Newton would have been spot on perfect for the part. And Hallie Berry, who would have probably been awful in the role, still fits. Why, in the 21st century, get a White actress when there are plenty of capable, known actresses out there available? Because of the ego trips of the people involved? Because we're beyond race? Did you not take into consideration that the Jolie does bare a striking resemblance to the woman? Uh, no, I don't think she looks like her one bit. And if the filmmakers thought she does bear such a striking resemblance, then why the Cleopatra make-up? Shouldn't be necessary, right? It's getting easier and easier to by-pass the does he/she look like me bit of your response regarding Shatner. Is that really enough? Okay, then when it comes to all icons, it's all fair game then. When Hellen Mirren plays Coretta Scott King, I don't want to hear any complaints. Do you know if the woman (Pearl) objects to being portrayed as a white woman? If not, I don't understand what the problem is.. Of course, who doesn't? It's been part of the PR for the film for the last several months. For the record, she doesn't, and claims that she *wanted* AJ to play the role since she made friends with her. It's just a matter of adultry that AJ is playing the part since Brad Pitt originally thought of the role for Jennifer Aniston. The role was the gift that kept on giving. Just because I think something is a good idea for me doesn't mean that it is. I might want Pitt to play me in my life story, and if I did suffer that madness I would hope someone would step in and say, Dude, doesn't this reek of minstrelsy? For Mrs Pearl's part, she seems to confuse nationality and race I'm Cuban and I'm Dutch. Can a Dutch person play me?
FW: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Jolie Playing Pearl angers some Blacks
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, The Village Idiot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correction... this is in response to tetsuwanatom1's post and not Astromancer. _ From: The Village Idiot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 1:23 PM To: 'scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com' Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Jolie Playing Pearl angers some Blacks tetsuwanatom1's said: Saying that there are other things that one could better spend their time worrying about isn't really an answer. We can have more than one issue on our plate. True we can have more than one issue on our plate, but I would hope that we'd pick our battles more intelligently. In this instance, whining and acting like spoiled victims isn't going to change anything; the movie's already been made. If those complaining had wanted to have an impact, they would have spoken up BEFORE the movie was made - it's not like the movie was shot in secrecy, was it? If you take a look (google = friend) there was discussion on the issue, even before shooting began. It's only that the film is out now so naturally it's going to become a topic again. Anyway, you're arguing against arguing, not against what is at issue. One could ask, what does whining about other people whining accomplish? If you're fine with it, that's really okay with me. We're trying to have a discussion about the issue, why some think it's important and why others don't. It's supposed to be something on which reasonable people may disagree. Moreover, if AJ's playing Mrs Pearl is okay, what's to stop someone from deciding it's okay to slap make-up on Hopkins and let him play MLK? Think they wont? So what if they do? Would that invalidate who MLK was? Would a film about MLK starring Martin Lawrence invalidate who he was? Could the legacy of a man who already has a bloody national holiday be invalidated by anyone portraying him in a movie? It's a separate question. To have someone portray King in blackface would just be a plain slap. I have no problem with Darrell Hammond's wicked impersonation of Jesse Jackson on SNL. He's in brownface, yet it's comedy. It's a diss, yet a respectful one. He isn't trying to capture the real essence of a leader, it's a caricature. I get that. When someone does the JFK story with Fishburn in pancake make-up, then I might think differently. I'm not holding my breath, though.
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Jolie Playing Pearl angers some Blacks
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, you want to play it this way... ??? Oh brother. Listen to you! The woman is multiracial...That being the case, couldn't it go either way? Jennifer Beals, who is multiracial, has been doing roles written for white women for years, yet I have not heard ANYONE protest in anger over that! This is not a role written for a White woman. Last I checked, Mrs Pearl is an actual person. But it is the SAME type of argument...no one protested Type of argument? Split hairs much? The capable actor got the role...other factor may have been involved, but no complaints on the level that you seem to think exist here... HA! The capable actor is married to the producer! lol Did you not take into consideration that the Jolie does bare a striking resemblance to the woman? Uh, no, I don't think she looks like her one bit. That is your opinion...and I don't see any other black actress who could do better...and, as usual, you discount the approval of the author, to my knowledge, has no objections... As usual? You don't know me well enough to make that statement. Also, I mentioned Thandie Newton who is a much better actress than AJ. I guess you missed the part where I spelled out Mrs. Pearl's position. No...I have not heard one complaint about the many white actors who have played Othello either... You haven't really been listening. Or watching Othello. Generally, people give the bard a pass because they just weren't hiring Black actors PERIOD. Now though, I've seen the play a couple of times with a Black male in the role, and Fish in the movie, etc. People have complained, though. And, appropriate to the group, does anyone remember that Patrick Stewart played Othello in DC? Does anyone remember that he simply played the role as a White man instead of the Moor? Just because I think something is a good idea for me doesn't mean that it is. I might want Pitt to play me in my life story, and if I did suffer that madness I would hope someone would step in and say, Dude, doesn't this reek of minstrelsy? Uh, no?? For Mrs Pearl's part, she seems to confuse nationality and race I'm Cuban and I'm Dutch. Can a Dutch person play me? (lol) Yes they could...with the proper makeup... Huh? You do know that there are a great many people of color in the Netherlands, they aren't all White you know, like their great many soccer stars who have ancestry in Suriname? This was my point, that there are people of color who are Dutch but aren't White. Sorry I assumed that you would know this.
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Jolie Playing Pearl angers some Blacks
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please...don't get her started again...On my part, I submit to your sense of reasoning... Her? Oh please.
FW: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Jolie Playing Pearl angers some Blacks
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (etc. snipped) Man, no one was trying to insult you, no one is accusing you of being some kind of sellout. I seriously hope you're not going to try pin some kind of hate Whitey rap on me either. We're supposed to be having a discussion on a topic. If anyone was berating opinions, it's the whole line of insinuating that it's stupid to feel that AJ shouldn't have been cast in the role.
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Jolie Playing Pearl angers some Blacks
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, I wouldn't call it a non-issue. The issue is white supremacy, and that's always the issue. Sophie Okonedo could have played this role with ease, she even LOOKS more like the woman everyone's talking about than Angelina does. How in the world did I forget about Sophie . . . the shame of myself.
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Jolie Playing Pearl angers some Blacks
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, The Village Idiot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tetsuwanatom1 said: Anyway, you're arguing against arguing, not against what is at issue. One could ask, what does whining about other people whining accomplish? If you're fine with it, that's really okay with me. Nice try... but, my point wasn't about other people whining. I have no doubt you'll figure that out, eventually. Your point is about nothing else but other people whining when it's observed correctly. One hears it often enough in other contexts. Why are *you people* always whining and complaining about _? It isnt' going to change anything. The rest, the stuff asking why hadn't people already spoken up is moot since people had. Correct me if I misunderstood you... but are you saying you think it's important for Black people to be upset with AJ playing a biracial woman because it could segue into white guys portraying King in Blackface someday? No, you didn't misunderstand, just misrepresented. However, to answer you, of course not, Village Straw Man. Not even a nice try.
[scifinoir2] Re: Dwayne McDuffie writing JLA comic now
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got the July Previews and I turned to a page that said JLA Wedding Special #1 and JLA# 13. I won't ruin the who's getting married part for those of y'all who haven't been keeping up, because these books dome come out until September, but both books are written by Dwayne McDuffie! This could very well be awesome, folks. I know I will be ordering quite a few (guess this would be as good a time as any to reveal that I have just opened a comic book store, huh) yeah, it would! I've been considering selling off part of my collection, I don't know if my Kousei-kun is going to be interested...
[scifinoir2] Re: OT: Jolie Playing Pearl angers some Blacks
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for your opinion...When you can give me a LOGICAL comeback, I'll change my position... Is someone trying to change your opinion? I didn't realize. No one has to make this a race issue, it already is by virtue of what's happening. You're free not to care, you asked why someone should, and I answered. You asked why can't someone enjoy the movie, I can't because it's terrible. For someone who seems to value logic, tell me how the old why don't you make your own movie is always an answer to questioning Hollywood's movtives regarding race? Ah, you don't like what's happening in Iraq? Why don't you take over the government!! See . . . tetsuwanatom1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin truthseeker_013@ wrote: (standing ovation) Astromancer cwbadie@ wrote: I can't keep quiet any longer...Why should anyone care??? Because of this. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/foster/sfeature/sf_minstrelsy.html Why can't someone just enjoy the damned moved and not make it a race issue??? Because the movie sucks. I understand about our exclusion for the media...but sometimes enough is enough...I have always felt that if someone has a complaint about such things, make the movies yourself... Oh brother. Okay. Give me 300 million and I'll make that sci- fantasy epic featuring one all Black nation. Saying that there are other things that one could better spend their time worrying about isn't really an answer. We can have more than one issue on our plate. Moreover, if AJ's playing Mrs Pearl is okay, what's to stop someone from deciding it's okay to slap make-up on Hopkins and let him play MLK? Think they wont? Martin truthseeker_013@ wrote: If she's going for the *soul*, the *why darken her skin*? Please remember- non-sensical ravings... KeithBJohnson@ wrote: Big conversations on an e-mail chain I'm on, and I suspect, around the country, about Jolie playing Mrs. Pearl. I'd never seen Mrs. Pearl before I saw her on Charlie Rose the other night, and was surprised to see obvious African heritage in her. Then I finally saw a picture of Jolie as Mrs. Pearl, and was surprised to see she had on makeup to darken her skin. Lots of Sisters are upset, others say that Mrs. Pearl is *not* majority Black, and has a right to choose whomever she wants to portray her. Pearl was going for the soul of the actress, not her skin, is the idea. What do you think? Is this an issue at all, or a non-issue? *** http://www.playahata.com/hatablog/index.php Angelina Jolie is a fair skinned white woman with blue/gray eyes but in a Mighty Heart she is playing an Afro Cuban/Dutch woman, a transformation eased with a wig, dark brown contact lenses and her make-up artist. The cross-racial casting left some upset, with criticisms ranging from, It rubs me wrong to it being a new generation of Hollywood in blackface. Most don't know that Mariane wanted Angelina to play her, asked her personally, and the two have become good friends. The HuffingtonPost was 1 of 6 outlets at a 20-minute round table with the actress, and asked, Were you nervous playing someone multiracial? Angelina fixed her eyes, fiddled with the $15,000 Cartier watch on her wrist, and answered: The idea is, if you ask Mariane, because she did address that, and if you did actually want to find somebody that was her exact makeup, she's actually majority Dutch, and she's as black as she is Chinese, and she's Cuban, and she's French. So, it could have gone to many different racial backgrounds, probably, if you went technical on it. And that, you know, is a reality. At the same time, to her, the importance was the essence of her spiritually, and I think that was what mattered and I think that is a question to ask her. But no, if you break down the DNA, it's very complex. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Let's just saying you know more than you think, but we're not going to help you figure it out. - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without
[scifinoir2] Re: Speed Racer Site Taking Shape
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: h. Look at those WHEEELS! And the windshield! Aw man, they've already sold one ticket. Maybe even a DVD. As you'll recall, I thought the casting on this was horrible. I mean, Matthew Fox as Racer X? But, as I look at the Mach 5 now, I'm starting to get it. It doesn't really matter who's in this film. It's Speed Racer, and Roger Corman could be directing it for all anybody cares. Folks who grew up in my generation have taken over Hollywood's creative departments, and are making their childhood fantasies come true on the studio's dime. Which is awesome. I could be a hater until this movie comes out, but why? It's not Wuthering Heights, it's Speed Racer. Staying true to the original work only requires watching two episodes, and, when you're done laughing, turning those episodes into a storyboard. As for the voices, what would be dope is if the whole movie was dubbed. For no reason. Everyone is speaking english, but the dialogue is dubbed. GM has a site where they highlight the vehicles they've allowed to be transformed and you can see that the designers (re- engineers?) are NOT doing this for the suits. They're doing this for the fans. I'm staring to feel like there's a big inside joke going on with these remakes that, when history looks back, will be seen as generation x's revenge. Take art out of the school system, huh? Take 15 years of comic book movies. Can't wait until someone decides it's time to make a live action Akira. Huh, didn't the Bros do that already? JUST KIDDING you Matrix fans. Anyway, I can wait. You could get your wish, though, seeing as the Neon Genesis Evangelion movie continues to plod through pre- production and Cameron is still mulling over Battle Angel, all while the Casshern director (the former Mr. Utada Hikaru) is talking with Hollywood. Sony, IIRC, still has the American rights and there was buzz on such a project some years ago. There could be a confluence of circumstance. I would prefer that Hollywood only proferred money and not casting, however that's an empty wish. On Jun 20, 2007, at 10:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://speedracerthemovie.warnerbros.com/cmp/main.html The Speed Racer site is being built. You can see a shot of the Mach 5 there (looks awesome), and cast bios and pics. Good choices, especially Ricci as Trixie. The kid playing Spritle is spot-on, too. So, burning questions: is Chim Chim going to be a CGI character? Will Racer X have that cool car from the 'toon? Are they going to have Inspector Detector in the cast? (You *gots* to have Inspector Detector!) And the most important question of all: will everyone speak in the great goofy rushed double-quick speech that made the Americanized version of the cartoon so hilarious? I used to *love* listening to the actors literally running out of breath as they read their lines. You could often hear them inhaling quickly in the middle of a sentence, especally Pops Racer! The guy who did Pops, by the way, seems to have voiced many additional characters, so it was often funny to listen to, say, the mad scientist who created the Car with a Brain (the one that looked like a giant snail) cackling with Pops' voice! Now that I think of it, I think Pops was also the voice of Inspector Detector, the main announcer at all of Speed's races, and perhaps even guest villains like Ali Ben Schemer! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Shows that Jumped the Shark Early (was Re: Battlestar Galactica to End )
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember the ratings history with EFC. The problem was this was a one season show that they stretched to 5. the whole center of the show was Boone vs. The Taelons. Boone was vaporised at the end of season one, and we went through 4 seasons of what is this show ABOUT before it ended, literally, with a bang. The thing is, Boone was RIGHT all along about the Taelons, and so there was really no reason to WATCH any of seasons 2-5, and so nobody DID. My understanding is that Gene's concept for the show was based around Boone and the stuff in Season 1. The show's ratings were low, but steady, and so they kept it going. While we're on about shows that overstayed their welcome, can we discuss First Wave? Has there been any show besides Sliders that strayed beyond its original point? I agree with the point made earlier about a show not having to go 5-7 years. Sometimes the story can be completely told in one. Ah, my man Cade Foster. One of the joys of being a single, no kid having dude was Friday night Sci-Fi, even after G vs E went off the air. I liked the first season, however at the end there was a sense that the show was about to go off it's nut. Traci Lords kept the show on the air after whatever season it was, second I guess (the Jeri Ryan Manuver). They're all just hoping to stretch things out until they can strike a syndication deal. Yet, guess what? Most of those shows never strike a deal. To this day I have never seen the series finale of Sliders. That I watched after Sabrina Lloyd left was a function of not having much else sci-fi on the air. Speaking of Ryan, what about Dark Skies? I caught up with it on Sci Fi after writing it off in it's initial run. I grew to like it until it lost it's way. The creator has a blog http://www.brycezabel.com/newsviews/ (seems to be in the Obama camp, FWIF) On Jun 2, 2007, at 7:02 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I remember reading that they kept wrestling control out of the roddenberry family hands and then recasting and twisting the storyline. I'm pretty sure Andramda's ratings were pretty terrific in season two when they changed it to Hercules in space. If it was doing poorly, I do not think SciFi Channel would have purchased the rights to show the remaining seasons. Ironically, ratings did drop significantly after the producer and station switch. The original producer (Dresden Files) had a five year plan. But it was designed to ultimately spotlight all of the characters, not just sorbo. Sorbo decided that he did not like the ensemble approach so he had changes made. I'm telling you the five year plan I read was all that. I do not know the ratings history as much with Earth Final Conflict. I do remember it was more serialized and harder to pick up and follow if you were not a regular viewer. I do remember ratings tumbling when they made their improvements. It became unbearable to watch. Tracey Martin wrote: (applause) Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:cwbadie%40yahoo.com wrote: Not meaning to be too blunt, but I feel that Roddenberry was very much like Frank Herbert; he had one series albeit Herbert was a writer...Herbert's greatest claim to fame Was the Dune series while his other books received less than warm praise...That has been the case with Roddenberry and Star Trek...In both Andromeda and Earth Final Conflict, the story lines, like Star Trek, were hammered out forever for money's sake and the audiences could tell...Even after they lost interest in the shows, the producers beat it into the dirt with dumber, formulaic dribble until we were glad to see it leave...No one forgets the last how of a good series...If you have to ask how it ended, it probably was not worth going back to see...I think the concept of good 'telenovels' would keep people interested and you you will end up with a good enough and affordable product to sell in DVD format...Of course, it'll keep a lot of writers employed! Okay, I'm done ranting... Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:truthseeker_013%40yahoo.com wrote: Keith, I'm still working on that. The single event that lost me on that show was the Emasculation of Tyr. Brother became an emo toward the end. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net wrote: Amen. It has to go into the record books as one of the worst slides of a show's quality in scifi history. Remember back when i was asking you, Tracey, to explain the plot? After they went through that stupid glowing tesseract (Route of Ages?) I didn't get that damn show at all! I remember Hunt walking/running through a corridor where he met himself... then all the
[scifinoir2] Re: I saw 28 days later.
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're asking me? I haven't seen it yet. drcsaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel cheated. SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! P O I L E R SPOILERS! The ending was beyond pathetic. Ragers kill non-Ragers but they don't kill ragers, so why did the husband kill the wife since she had the virus also? Unless he was pissed that she turned him... She's just a carrier. She's infected, but not a rager. Now that leads me to the wifes death. Last we saw here was being dragged from the window with some kid. She was finished. Or so it seemed. But when they exam her in the hospital she has a bite mark. Does it have to be explained? Also, the virus is in Frace? Is that where the helicopter was going? Did little Tintin bite somebody in Cannes? Well, that's the suggestion. The goal was to take them across the Channel that channel being the English Channel. Also, the night vision scenes was confusing. I couldn't tell if the rager was getting beat down or if the lady soldier was getting beat down. When buffy and jody fell down the escalator, how did buffy and jody end up on differant parts of the platform so far apart? Much cool how the pilot mowed down the ragers. Uncool how they killed off the soldier (Doyle) pushing the van. MESSAGE! Didn't you see Kenan Ivory Wayans in his postman suit in the background? The firebombing was cool, the vx gas was cool, the sniping of the ragers was good but was the rager father mentaly linked to his son like Jaws and Michale Myers? Why was he following him? It was the hardest pill to swallow in the entire thing. I suppose that neither Boyle nor the new guy wanted to get into what goes on inside the head of the infected, however there isn't anything that suggests they're brain dead. They aren't zombies, so cognitive functions are probably intact. He could well have been watching them the entire time, wasn't that the last thing on his mind before he found his wife, to find his kids? It would have helped had the film makers made it clearer what he was doing rather than just suggesting it visually. Otherwise, it just seems like a contrivance. Those few quibbles I had didn't kill the movie for me, and it had a visceral effect on me, that was the part hardest to shake. Guess it's the new dad in me . . . I felt cheated. Said There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] 28 Weeks Later
After watching this I had to go home and have a drink. Seriously. There are a couple of serious flaws in the movie, still it's an enthralling experience, the kind that makes you glad they still show movies in a darkened theater.
[scifinoir2] Re: Sci Fi to Offer Anime Programming
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I may look into having the curse I laid on Skiffy removed, if this comes through... Subsequent programming will be provided by Manga Entertainment, a part of Starz Media - the provider of the Sci Fi series Painkiller Jane. You may not want to if you realize what animation Starz shows. Surely I'm not the only one who remembers that SciFi used to show some old school movies late at night on the weekend. Galaxy Express 999, wha? Then again, they also gave Armitage . . .
[scifinoir2] Re: 28 Weeks Later
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Non spoiler response: I appreciate Boyle's of casting Idris and Harold, however seems like there were other less known brothers out there who could have played these relatively small, though pivotal, parts. Two huge talents wasted. now spoilers: S P O I L E R S The defense and eradication strategy for the Isle of Dogs. Hello you're on an island and the Infected don't swim. Blow the brigdes or block them and half the battle is won. Once they are contained finish them off. However, apparently no matter what strategy they'd used there was a carrier who could have come out undetected. It's likely there are more carriers, too, say someone infected early on and made it out before precautions were in place. Where were the NIH, WHO and other medical organizations? This was a health crisis with a new and deadly virus. Why weren't they on site surpervising the disposal, handling practices and other aspects of the recovery? Hey, it's an Iraq War allegory. The military HAS to be the villain. ;) 28 Weeks was way too soon to come back. You had a viral disease outbreak that was 99.99% contagious and at least 95% of Great Britain's population died during the outbreak. There's no way in hell anyone should have been allowed to resettle the area in that short a period of time. = US government's rush to return Iraq to a democracy. They didn't give us much backstory on the politics involved in the situation, though you could read into it and think that there was enormous pressure to get these possibly infected people out of our area. That being said it was a very fun ride and there were some great setpieces: The scene where the infected get into the refugee shelter is intense. The kill order to take everyone down The firebombing of the Isle of Dogs was epic Heliocopter vs. a horde of Infected The Apache attack and the escape into the subway and what happens there This was one of my problems with the execution of the movie. I didn't get a sense of the fear or claustrophobia they were experiencing. The technique they chose to get it across to us was novel, however I wasn't moved. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tetsuwanatom1 tetsuwan@ wrote: After watching this I had to go home and have a drink. Seriously. There are a couple of serious flaws in the movie, still it's an enthralling experience, the kind that makes you glad they still show movies in a darkened theater.
[scifinoir2] Re: My Take: Spider-Man 3
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, High Priest of Hi-Fi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Keith. I saw this in IMAX last night. TOTALLY worth it. I needed the raise in spirits after the Chelsea/Arsenal match yesterday morning, ::wink::
[scifinoir2] Re: Julianne Moore to Replace Gillian Anderson as Scully
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. The need to keep the mystery going made the first movie a letdown that offered no insights or solutions, and I can't fathom what the second movie will bring to solve any mysteries. Was the X-Files ongoing saga ever as much of a draw as Mulder and Scully were? The one shot episodes were generally better than the conspiracy through lines. Who says they have to do a aliens/conspiracy story? I like Moore, yet not as Scully. Pass. Perhaps Anderson is doing us all a favor by essentially killing the damn thing. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I used to love that show and I love Julianne Moore, but I can not even muster up any excitement over the prospect of the movie. I mean, the first one was a big let down and the series went out with a whimper. Tracey Brent Wodehouse wrote: http://www.moviehole.net/news/20070401_moore_to_play_scully_in_xfiles. html http://www.moviehole.net/news/20070401_moore_to_play_scully_in_xfiles .html Moore to play Scully in X-Files sequel Date : April 1, 2007 Posted By : Clint Morris Another month ⦠another makeover for a popular film franchise. Hot on the heels of David Duchovny's comments that the next X- Files movie is being brokered as we speak comes news from CarterEsque.com that co-star Gillian Anderson - who has played his sciency subordinate since the series' commencement in 1993 - has opted out of the new film. Reports say Twentieth Century Fox is now in talks with Julianne Moore to replace Anderson as Agent Dana Scully. A deal is expected to be made before the end of the month. Anderson, whose star has risen considerably in the past couple of years (she recently appeared in the Oscar Winning King of Scotland), says via her reps that [X-Files] has been a wonderful experience, and I will always cherish my time on the series [and] the film, but the time has come to move on - I just don't believe I can bring anything more to the character at this point. I wish the filmmakers my heartfelt best. Ironically, Julianne Moore also took over from Jodie Foster when she decided not to reprise her role as Agent Clarice Starling in Hannibal, the Silence of the Lambs follow-up, a couple of years back. The X-Files 2 will be the third film for Duchovny and Moore. They previously co-starred together in Evolution and the recent Trust the Man. Thanks to âLoof Lirpa' [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[scifinoir2] Re: Michelle gets in shape for 'Bionic' role Tinseltown style
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Brent Wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.hellomagazine.com/film/2007/03/29/michelle-ryan/ Michelle gets in shape for 'Bionic' role Tinseltown style 29 MARCH 2007 I knew nothing abt the actress until her capturing the part was announced here. I'd hate to see her succumb to the Hollywood beauty Nazis.
[scifinoir2] Re: 300 Doing Huge Box Office Worldwide
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to see The Host, which is getting good reviews as a monster flick that's way more than that. I caught it last year, it was the most enjoyable and engaging (nay I say best?) movie I saw last year.
[scifinoir2] Synch (was Re: Hiro Worship: Viewers embrace TV's Lovable Hiro)
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snips I hate it when writers give us the Noble Black Man: a bunch of white bigots attacked the school, and a bomb they planted threatened to kill them. Synch grabbed M's power of invulnerability and tried to extend it around the bigots, but since she was too far away, the Synch was incomplete, and he died trying to save them. Great: another Black man who gives his life Martin Luther King style for the enemy. I figured they bumped him off so they could give Jubilee a different love interest/pump her storyline. I'd thought they were going to portray the pair as being Bishop's parents at some point considering the Days of Future Past through line. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Hiro, Jo Jo and that kid (Was Re: Three Episode 'Heroes' Marathon Sunday on NBC)
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I finally taped and watched an episode of Heroes, Monday. Loved it! I mean you got to love a show that opens with one of leads laying on an autopsy table with her her innards hanging out. The indestructable cheerleader is a fascinating construct. The series is suffused with a Reanimator (lite): no, they didn't! audacious cheekiness. Imagine being able to level every awful, indescribable act of misanthropic misogyny on nubile blond chicklet and having her snap back good as new. Yes, it is sick and perverse, but I like it, too! And, hey, what is up with the trend (begun on Lost) of Asian characters who no speakee the English? ~rave! He's a Japanese national so it makes sense. Interesting bit about that character and the show. My wife sat down to watch a bit of the marathon with me (she was bored) and immediately noticed the similarities between the show and an old manga she read as a kid called Jo Jo's Bizarre Adventures. I looked around a bit and low and behold Hiro is portrayed as being a big fan of the same book. Hmmm. I gave the show a second chance and it just didn't draw me in. Looks like I was wrong about the father of the kid being the painter though. In the previews it seems his pops will be that guy from Angel?? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Heroes Premieres Tonight on NBC
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SPOILER INCLUDED As far as the lady in Vegas. Her power is veerrry interesting. Does it control her and what is it? I won't spoil things either, but y'all know me, always looking for something to rant about! :) I was annoyed that this gorgeous white woman has a half-Black son, yet the father of the child is evidently long gone, and a deadbeat to boot, we assume. I hate that she has to do demeaning things to support them, another indictment back at the missing Brother. It just irks me that even when *absent* a Black man gets a bad rap. Why can't they just put the pretty white girl with a Brother who's worth a damn--or better yet, just have her baby daddy be a white guy? As I said in my earlier, short review of the pilot, they suggest the father of the boy is the Latino painter who chopped his hand. Father is in no shape to help us. Boy got a ticket to go somewhere pretty far from Vegas. etc. Nevertheless, it's a slight tweaking of what has become the new sci-fi trope, the mixed race child as HUMAN OF THE FUTURE!! (echo, echo) MM http://dorknation.wordpress.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Heroes Premieres Tonight on NBC
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody else? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/5658 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] NBC's Heroes . . .
. . . is corny, if the pilot makes for a fair judge of the series. Several humans begin to develop superhuman abilities, and besides being unified by the odd circumstance, they are all being drawn to NYC to fulfill their purpose; TO SERVE MAN (and no, this is not a cookbook). The show appears to be a mix of elements from X-MEN, The Fugitive, and The 4400. Apparently the mutants will be pursued by a mysterious middle aged White male, possibly belonging to the SGA (Shadowy Government Agency). As you've all probably gleaned from the previews, the show is full of POC. You have the firey Latin artist/junkie, the constricted Japanese salaryman who just wants to be different (or a dentist, not sure yet), and the mixed race appearing Black female love interest of a hipster White guy AND the firey Latino. Also making an appearance as the Child With Incredible Powers is the child of the White stripper (horror and sci-fi vet Ali Larter) and the firey Latino. As of yet there have been no sightings of Black males on the show, though I'm sure once the SGA figure gets closer to his quarry, we will see some muscle and/or Red Shirt-ers. As the prior paragraph suggests, there will be improbable coincidence on top of improbable coincidence on the show, in an attempt to borrow from Lost. Not only does Lost run rings around Heroes in handling a potentially convoluted plot line, the acting is far better and the portrayals of POC appear to be more complex. Now that I've seen the pilot my interest is peaked enough to see where this leads for the next few episodes, though with a new season of The Wire, BG, and Lost I don't know how much time I'll want to devote to it. mm http://dorknation.wordpress.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: The 4400 Premieres tonight
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I'm not enamored of Comcast. They're just about the only real game in town for me. Not into satellite yet. They've been fairly stable over the four or five years I've had them: my broadband has been very reliable, and now I'm up to 3 - 5 ambits download speed as well. Last major problem was this past Sunday, when the stations kept going in and out. I've been having trouble with CHS since I moved into a new place, getting disconnected about 8 times a day, and I've heard rumblings of that in other areas. Anyone else? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/co.u8A/gOaOAA/Zx0JAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Wachowski Bros. Developing Speed Racer?
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ggghhh to vaughn. uggghhh blaaah to Cruise. These people are definitely on crack Tracey well i agree with all assessments on either in such a film. It must have been five years ago that I heard about Cruise wanting to do a Speed Racer movie, maybe more. I don't think the anime boom had really hit the US at the time, however there was a low level kitch factor attached to the toon. There was a lot of wearing of Speed Racer t-shirts by grunger rockers and rave kids. All that to say, Cruise did have a moment of inspiration. Still hate his guts, though. You know, Vaughn might not be such a bad choice. You know Hollywoof would go campy with a Speed movie; too many people know the story, Racer X's identity will come of no surprise to anyone. Making him the Vaughn jackass type character could add some different dimension to the character, however predictable (he'll play him as a drunk, a womanizer, salty to his younger brother whom he really loves but can't show it etc). Then again, sounds like a role that Yakusho Koji could play in his sleep. Get one of those dorks from Johnnys Jr to play Speed. The car was always the star of the show anyway. Of all the Japanese animated shows they can make a movie from, Go Go Mach 5 is the one I'm least worried about. Let them have at it, just don't f*** wit Evangelion. peace TA http://dorknation.wordpress.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: [OT] 6.6.6: Tuesday is June 6, 2006
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, brent wodehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/religion/story/0271 2C8B225FA89286257182005EA213?OpenDocument 6.6.6: Tuesday is June 6, 2006. By Tim Townsend ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH 06/03/2006 Somewhere, Revelation's author is having a big laugh. Sure, his book of the Bible is filled with dragons, locusts, plagues, oceans of blood and rivers of fire. Oh, yeah, and the beast. The beast that branded the godless with the number 666 - a sign of their devotion to him. And I was born 40 years ago today. 6-06-1966. BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHA! MY REIGN IS UPON US! KNEEL, PUNY HUMANS! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: First Wave and Invisible Man
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you're right, and GvsE was on USA. I get them crossed a lot, because they're all under the same ownership umbrella now. Shouldn't, since USA seems to get the better sci-fi. Go figure... The show actually aired on both channels. It started on USA, then over to Sci-Fi. I don't think either network was the best fit. I mean, yeah, we were part of the target audience, but with all the Tarantino like flourishes, it might have done better on pay cable. Then again, the show lost some of that when it moved to Sci-Fi permanently. I'd kill for DVDs of that one. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: Moveover Mansquito, Here Comes the SS Doomtrooper
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You'll be sorrr! :) Wait 'til you get a load of that CGI stormtrooper. Talk about cheesy! Wasn't this camp? I only saw the scene with Nemic introducing his crew, yet when I heard the right-out-of-the-40's movie dialogue and the Parker Lewis reference, I knew it was made with tongue in cheek. They were just takin' the piss. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people?
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, Enterprise was a huge one. I posted a review of every single episode here, and I can think of maybe one show--two at best--where Mayweather had a significant role. I often stated only half-jokingly that he had less screen time than Archer's dog Porthos! Hoshi--the Asian Comm officer--fared only slighter better. It was very confusing for a modern Star Trek show to take steps backwards in usage of people of color. Before we had Geordi, Worf, Tuvok, Torres. Some used better than others, but all used more than Mayweather. Well, you know, we hold up Trek as the beacon, but it was really just the first. I don't think they really got it until TNG was deep into its run. Uhura was a hot swingin babe in a miniskirt. TOS did have black cast members playing doctors (!) and scientists (!!!) though. But really, a black dude with space shades? Burton really worked that character into something. And what abt other minorities in TNG? Had the Japanese nurse . . .. Worf, he's Klingon, just the actor is black. Casting Dorn as Worf though did lead to primarily casting black (men) as Klingons most often. Same could be said for Tuvok, though Vulcans are a little more human looking so his color is more in your face. Funny that the lack of black males on BSG bothers me more now than it did at first. That's because I HATED the show at first. Now it's at least tolerable. I like Olmos, Sackhoff has grown on me, and I'm a bit curious to see where their going, even if on occasion they do telegraph their punches. To that end, I'm also kinda hanging around to see if Moore will EVER come right out and say that there is racism in the colonies, as his constant presentation of black males as jailbirds and muscle seems to suggest. Or perhaps one day he'll admit he just has no idea what to do with issues of race or ethnic actors (who are not asian women). That misstep was more of the same bad written that helped doom the series, as the whole thing was a confused mess until the last season. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Carole McDonnell Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 09:56 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people? Ah, so true!! That's also one of the reasons I couldn't watch Enterprise. They didn't seem to know what to do with the black guy. I mean...they had a black guy on the deck and all. But it was so obvious, they didn't think enough to give him a personality. So he was just this good- natured token. Quota filled but essentials still not understood. -C --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is as simple as this: 'We' didn't write it...'We' have very little to do with it...'We' are not part of his world... Keith Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:And to repost yet again, I'm still wondering. On the season-ending show where the Battlestar Pegasus is found, Admiral Caine travels to Galactica. As her Raptor doors open, we see that she's accompanied by an impressive group of officers and security. The first to disembark are two snarling, armed guards, who scan the crowd with suspicion. I was struck that both of these bookends were Black--and bald... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/LRMolB/TM ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[scifinoir2] Re: What does Sci-Fi have against Black people?
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, DJ VIBE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Battlestar Galactica: (New Series) Well, there's a COMMUNICATIONS officer. . . . Apparently all of the other Black people, with the exception of the religious leader, were killed in the bombing of Caprica. Same with Buck Rogers - I don't recall ever seeing a dark face on there, with the exception of the singers with three mouths - guess all the Black folks were killed off in the cataclysm while Buck was traveling through time. It seems that all the Black people live on Gemina (not Jemima, but too damn close) and are zealatous worshipers of the Kobol lords. Besides the communications officer, we've got the security guard who slips the president her meds, a priestess, and the leader from Gemina who was the first to bow before the Pres last episode. Wow, a race of magical negroes. You know Ron means well, but come on. Perhaps we'll have some strong characters when the Pegasus shows up. I think its that sci-fi in general doesn't have very many Black folks in it at all levels - writers, producers, directors, etc. I think that when none of the people who create something look like Wesley Snipes, chances are they will have issues, or at least some difficulty, seeing a Black face in that role - especially when that role has real power and possibilities for sexual attraction. In the new BSG, there's NO real reason why Adama couldn't have been Black, for example, unless the racial politics on Caprica also echo our civilization. In fact, the very concept of the series should lead to more color-blind casting as the Roman Empire, which this civilization is based on (or which perhaps was influenced by *this* civilization?) didn't do ethnic-based slavery. A good example of what the lack of Black folks behind the scenes does is the movie Pleasantville. This was an entire movie about people who lived in a Black and White world. The movie makes the point that the people there weren't alive until COLOR was introduced - yet there were NO Black people in the movie and only a few people of color in the beginning high school sequence in our world. To me, being Black and all, it seems obvious that the most shocking and obvious thing in this movie would have been the introduction of a Black person, or a whole *bunch* of Black people. Imagine finding out about the concept of color and then finding out that not only things can be different colors but PEOPLE as well! But I digress. . . . One of the things the original show *did* do well, IMHO, was show diversity - not just in the casting (having Asian and Black major characters) but the extras as well. Unlike Friends and other TV shows which seem to exist in some mythically White world (no Black or Hispanics in friggin NEW YORK!?!), there were people of color there - yes they were in the background, but there were THERE. Anyway, I've always said we'd be much better off if, instead of begging Whitey for inclusion, we would form companies and produce our own media. If we really want to see Sci-Fi and other media outlets change their views, or lack therof, of Black folk, we need to get up off our collective duff and make them or, if lacking the knowledge and ability to make them, make it a point to support those who are. If films like Sankofa and Rosewood got the support we give films like Scarface and Willie Wonka (I *think* I saw 1 Black person in the film not counting the Oompa Loompa guy), I don't think this would be an issue. Thoughts? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hau5g37/M=362335.6886444.7839734.2575449/D=groups/S=1705034827:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123186127/A=2894362/R=0/SIG=138c78jl6/*http://www.networkforgood.org/topics/arts_culture/?source=YAHOOcmpgn=GRPRTP=http://groups.yahoo.com/;What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater?Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good/a./font ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
