Re: CSalittle gray
I am new, and I know very little. However I thought that a skin biopsy would be able to determine if there was reduced silver in your skin. I don't know where you live or what kind of medical insurance you have. If you havn't already done so, I would see a doctor. I would not mention colloidal silver as you would plant an idea in the doctors mind. But I would ask for a skin test. I would suggest the possibility of argyria and ask that that be tested for. Please find out what this is, if this is not caused by silver, then it could be some medical condition that could make you very ill. It is not normal for your skin to change and while if it is silver it is only cosmetic, if it is something else, please don't let it get to far. I don't mean to trivialize argyria, but it isn't life threatening. My father's complexion turned grey in the months before his heart attack. He survived, and is well, but it would have been better if someone had noticed the greyness and urged him to seek medical attention prior to the chest pains. If it is colloidal silver, please let us all know as soon as possible. I will say some prayers for you. If that bothers you let me know and I will just think good thoughts at you or something. From: donna2...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 1:21 PM Subject: Re: CSalittle gray Marshall, I have stopped all CS. Please does anyone know what I can do? Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Boiling water Special Glass
Katarina, If I remember correctly he said that boiling water will help produce the smallest particle size. This conflicts with what Marshall said. Russ, from Sota Instruments claims to have sent the CS which they made using method to a lab for testing. He said that photo of the CS (made using an electron microscope) showed that the particle size was very small. The small size that so many people refer to in fractions of a micron (.001 to .015? microns I believe). So who is right? Marshall seems to know more about chemistry, etc. so I will follow his advice for now. Bil - Original Message - From: Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com To: 2001 TV VCR x2...@qnet.com Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Boiling water Special Glass Hey Bil, do you know why he said it was so important? Thanks, Katarina Hi Katarina, I was told by the owner of Sota Instruments, maker of the Silver Pulser (and an associate of Bob Beck), that boiling the water is important to make good quality CS. Marshall has just informed me that hot water causes larger particle size. I am going to play it safe for now and use cold water. You can buy a glass pot made of Corning Ware at stores that carry a large variety of pot and pans. It is actually not glass but an alloy of glass and many metals. It looks and feels just like glass (transparent brown). Corning say that you can run it under cold water when it is extremely hot and it will not crack. I use a Pyrex pot (by Corning). Not near as heat resistant buy so far it has not cracked. Bil - Original Message - From: Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 8:36 AM Subject: CSRe: Bil, boiling water. Hi Bil, so , I have two questions. Doesn't heating the water increase particle size? As the particles bump into each other and agglomerate and make cs faster but bigger particles? And how do you boil water in a glass jar without it breaking? What kind of jar? I looked for glass kettles in the store but didn't find anything. Thanks, katarina I have been making CS for some time. I started out with a 16 oz. jar and was told to use boiling hot distilled water and no salt to have the smallest particle size. Now I use a gallon jar. The distilled water I buy here in California always tests below 2 ppm. I boil the water in a very clean glass pot. If I use cold water the CS process takes forever. Also no matter how much I limit the current (as low as 2 mA) the cathode always gets very thick with sludge. This is my setup: One gallon glass jar (clean) Plastic lid 99.99% silver, 1 x 3.5 (wetted) Food grade stainless steel, 1 x 8 (wetted) Stainless steel bolts and nuts (on lid) Electrodes spaced 1/2 apart 30 volts DC Some of you guys are using 120 volts AC rectified and filtered to produce ~170 volts DC. How much current are you running? What is the advantage? Is it possible to make 5 or 10 ppm CS by the gallon without the sludge using low voltage? Thank you very much for your replies. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSis this working?
Yes! Bil - Original Message - From: Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com To: Silver A silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 12:17 PM Subject: CSis this working? Is this working - all my mail to the list is getting returned. Katarina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: Cs Mucus
Wong, I believe you will find your 6 hour process is the problem! We had found in early testing that with extensive runs we would easily form complex streamers and when they touched the glass container, a shiny silver plating (mirror) occurred . If that same glass was used again the mirror spot would grow even without the streamers! That was part of our reason to design our unit to fit into a gallon jug, so no one had to clean and maintain containers. The glass we use to do the initial meter calibration also grows mirror spots, even though it is never used over 5 minutes and then emptied and stored upside down until the next use. Time definitely works against producing fine particle size. Use part of your last batch to reduce the required run time! Do you have any idea what the PPM is? Send an ounce of Cs and water and we will test them for you free, to: PII, 3516 Delilah Drive, Cape Coral, FL 33993 f...@health2us.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSJanis///Recovery
Janis wrote: I have taken the WaterOz Silver a cup a day for the first 3 weeks then I dropped it down to 1/2 cup a day for a couple of weeks. I started WaterOz May 30 of this year and have been taking it ever since. Since I am now in remission I only take 1/4 cup a day sometimes I still take 1/2 cup on occasion. snip I am getting ready to order another 4 gallons of it because I have been doing so well. I want to keep my Lyme in remission and I think WaterOz Silver is part of the reason for that now. ~~ Janis What an inspiring story. You must be so happy. I took WaterOz for some time,but in the Tablespoon range, not the cup range,and I am wondering if I should give it a shot again. You may have answered these questions before, but I hope you will again... my memory is a bit lacking. --Did you have initial die-off herx reaction? --How long before you saw improvement? --What other things were you doing? Congratulations on your recovery! ~^^V^^~ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS and Arteries
Would someone be willing to tell me whether CS can be used to help arterial health? How does it affect arteries, and the possiblity of heart attacks or strokes? ~^^V^^~ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Magnets/Help!!!!
Hi Katerina and listees! I'll go with the compass! When I recently bought some more magnets to make a magnetic pad I marked each side of each magnet according to the north-seeking end of the compass. I aimed the compass at each magnet and which ever side of the disk magnets attracted the north-seeking end of the needle I marked as north. I marked the other side as south. Now, Davis and Rawls say that the north pole of a magnet has a soothing effect and is what you should put on an injury. They say that north will reduce swelling and accordingly, pain and bruising. They say that the south pole is invigorating and will tend to increase the swelling of an injury. They took a bunch of earth worms and divided them into three groups-- a control group, a North group and a South group. The south box of worms rested on the south pole of a magnet and was kept distant from the other worms. The north box of worms was on the north pole of their magnet, while the control worms had no magnet. The control worms lived normal lives and deaths and *did not* chew their way out of the box. The north worms were not as healthy as the control worms and had a higher death count. The south worms were healthier than the control worms, ate all the food in the box and most chewed their way out of the box. I managed to ram my right knee onto the end of a board and that is when? I decided to try the magnet pad idea. (Hobbled right out to Home Depot). I put the *north* side of my home- made pad against the owie and wrapped it with an elastic bandage which I got when I was hobbling home. In less than 8 to 12 hours later the pain? minimized to the point that I some times had to stumble over the coffee table to remember that I was a cripple. There was hardly any bruising at all and three days later I stopped using the pad. S, I'll believe the compass! Although, to properly test this I should bang my other knee and use the south side this time and see if I am in agony for 6 weeks. oo I'm feeling achy already just at the thought. I put some Mexican jumping beans on the north pole of one magnet and some on the south side of another. The south beans jumped all over the place. The north beans didn't do as well. In 4 days we could have had Mexican coffee. Compass works for me. David ? ? Katarina Wittich wrote: Okay guys, lots of questions. I just got my large magnet for magnetizing water and it's north side is marked differently than the north side on my smaller magnets -- so one of them is wrong. I know this because when I put a compass near the large magnet the needle swings north when faced with the north marked side -- but when I put the compass near the north side of the small magnets the compass needle swings to the south. Help!!!Which one is right??? This could be kind of dangerous!! Next question is that I got a 3 by 6 by 1 inch because it ws the cheapest I could find. Does the magnet need to completely cover the bottom of the water container you put on it? Or will it work if it only covers part?? And, lastly -- I asked this before but nobody answered -- is there any reason I couldn't put the magnet on the metal tank of my reverse osmosis system? The water sits in there for a long time -- and I've heard of attatching magnets to pipes -- but don't know if they work that well. Would the fact that it is metal matter -- or that it is large -- 2 gallons -- instead of a litre. If the magnet was there permanently -- would it work? Help!! and thank you. Katarina Ps -- I know there was a lot of discussion about whether the north side of magnets is really the north or the south -- but it just confused me terribly -- so what I need is a simple and practical answer. Thanks. Hi, I have just found out that I have Gallstones , in my Gall bladder and one large one stuck in my bile duct, and I think I have to have an operation. I am seeing a specialist surgeon tomorrrow, I wonder if this could have anything to do with the chronic diarrhea I have had suffered with for over 30 years. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Carmen - -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com? -or-? silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- E-mail to:?? broompi...@juno.com (no attachments) Otherwise: broompi...@netzero.net Fax to:? 1-253-681-1133 ? __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
Re: CSalittle gray
Donna, Sorry to hear about your complexion. Stopping CS ingestion would seem to be a wise decision at this time, although a grey complexion can be caused by a number factors other than silver ingestion. Unless you have taken large amounts of CS in the past months it is likely that the change in skin colour is due to some other condition. However, it has been reported that those people who are deficient in Vit E or Selenium and those who take large doses of Selenium or have damaged livers are more at risk of Silver toxicity. Generalized argyria is indicated by slate-gray skin and hair colouring, silver finger nails, a blue halo around the cornea and in the conjunctiva of the eye, disturbance of dark adaptation and turbidity of the anterior lens capsule. The tissue content and distribution pattern of silver deposition is a function of the intake route, quantity and chemical form. Not a happy time for you, and I hope the professional advice you seek will resolve the matter, and I trust that the skin discolouration is the result of some readily reversed condition. Our hearts go out to you Donna, Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSRe: Carol/Olive leaf
Dear Carol This is fantastic - looking forward to hearing of your usccessful ministrations - well done on overcoming some amazing odds. This is heartening for Donna too (the chelation therapy per separate posting sounds very positive). Thinking of you Donna - perhaps you've been selected to be the catalyst for some amazing breakthrough - I know you'll come through this. Love, Yvonne :o) -Original Message- From: Katarina Wittich [mailto:kato...@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 12:09 AM To: Silver A Subject: CSRe: Carol/Olive leaf Wow Carol, how wonderful that you have had the courage to help so many other people turn their lives around. There should be more of you! Especially because then you'd have more time to share with us!! So don't feel pressured to get us the info -- but I appreciate it hugely and look forward to hearing what you have to say. Take care, Katarina Olive LeafOlive Leaf Respsone: Hi everyone, I am sorry I did not realize that there was such a response = to Olive Leaf. I have been very busy taking care of my husband who has = myasthenia Gravis, a muscle paralysis disease and my 87 year old father = who opted to go nutritional rather than surgery on his eye that has a = cataract, glaucoma, a blocked retina, a mini stroke in it, and a blocked = carotid artery. For both of them what I have done would be called a = miracle because they have both improved so much. I know its not a = miracle its just simply the knowledge that if your give your body what = it needs it will heal itself. My husband spent most his home time in = bed for the last year. Colloidal Silver got him out and mowing the = lawn. A friend of mine designs extremely potent, organic supplements = that have promted my husband to say he almost feels normal again. = Doctors told my family they would probably have to take my fathers eye = out if he did not have their surgery. So much for the EXPERTS Well, as for Olive Leaf Extract I will have the Master Herbalist on line = to answer all questions because he is so informed and he owns the = company that makes the Olive Leaf I buy. Right now it 10 PM so I will = call him in the AM. I use to buy East Park Research Olive Leaf also, = but switched to Ameridan. He does not spray the Olive Leaf leaves. His = product is high potency. He is not a business man he is into healing. = I have the utmost respect for Richard Hall. I dont mean to hold off = for another day but your health and questions are to important and there = is no obligation to buy from just to learn. I know I told some of you I = would tell you what formulas I have come up with to help my father and = husband buy I was so busy researching and learning what to do for them = that I never got around to sharing what I have learned. I will now take = the time to put it on the silver list. My sister who is stage four = cancer is doing pretty good too, I have her on some specially designed = formulas that after chemo and radiation treatments the nurse took some = tests and was amazed that she did not need to have some injections that = other chemo patients.do. Now that she is not taking the rest of chemo = she is just taking nutrition she is perking up. Stay tuned. I threw the nutritional book at her and she is doing it, with the help = of my friend the nutritional formulator. Carol Ryan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSRe: Carol/Olive leaf
Dear Carol -Original Message- From: Katarina Wittich [mailto:kato...@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 12:09 AM To: Silver A Subject: CSRe: Carol/Olive leaf Wow Carol, how wonderful that you have had the courage to help so many other people turn their lives around. There should be more of you! Especially because then you'd have more time to share with us!! So don't feel pressured to get us the info -- but I appreciate it hugely and look forward to hearing what you have to say. Take care, Katarina Olive LeafOlive Leaf Respsone: Hi everyone, I am sorry I did not realize that there was such a response = to Olive Leaf. I have been very busy taking care of my husband who has = myasthenia Gravis, a muscle paralysis disease and my 87 year old father = who opted to go nutritional rather than surgery on his eye that has a = cataract, glaucoma, a blocked retina, a mini stroke in it, and a blocked = carotid artery. For both of them what I have done would be called a = miracle because they have both improved so much. I know its not a = miracle its just simply the knowledge that if your give your body what = it needs it will heal itself. My husband spent most his home time in = bed for the last year. Colloidal Silver got him out and mowing the = lawn. A friend of mine designs extremely potent, organic supplements = that have promted my husband to say he almost feels normal again. = Doctors told my family they would probably have to take my fathers eye = out if he did not have their surgery. So much for the EXPERTS Well, as for Olive Leaf Extract I will have the Master Herbalist on line = to answer all questions because he is so informed and he owns the = company that makes the Olive Leaf I buy. Right now it 10 PM so I will = call him in the AM. I use to buy East Park Research Olive Leaf also, = but switched to Ameridan. He does not spray the Olive Leaf leaves. His = product is high potency. He is not a business man he is into healing. = I have the utmost respect for Richard Hall. I dont mean to hold off = for another day but your health and questions are to important and there = is no obligation to buy from just to learn. I know I told some of you I = would tell you what formulas I have come up with to help my father and = husband buy I was so busy researching and learning what to do for them = that I never got around to sharing what I have learned. I will now take = the time to put it on the silver list. My sister who is stage four = cancer is doing pretty good too, I have her on some specially designed = formulas that after chemo and radiation treatments the nurse took some = tests and was amazed that she did not need to have some injections that = other chemo patients.do. Now that she is not taking the rest of chemo = she is just taking nutrition she is perking up. Stay tuned. I threw the nutritional book at her and she is doing it, with the help = of my friend the nutritional formulator. Carol Ryan -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSalittle gray
The mechanism for the darkening of tissue by silver is as follows: Silver chloride is photo-reduced by UV light to metallic silver and is then reoxidised to black silver sulphide and bound to the tissue. If a high concentration of selenium is present the silver sulphide will be converted to silver selenide, which may result in higher deposition than with silver sulphide. (1) ATSDR (1990) reports that the deposition of silver in tissues is the result of the precipitation of insoluble silver salts, such as silver chloride and silver phosphate. These insoluble silver salts are then transformed into soluble silver sulfide albuminates, to bind or to form complexes with amino or carboxyl groups in RNA, DNA, and proteins, or to be reduced by ascorbic acid or catechol-amines. The skin discoloration of humans with argyria may be caused by a photo-reduc-tion of silver chloride to metallic silver. The metallic silver is then oxidized by tissue, sub-sequently forming black silver sulfide. (2) Colloidal silver is in fact oxidised and therefore an oxidising agent which partly explains its biological action. I am coming to the opinion that as silver must be ionic in form to be biologically active, the only value in CS over soluble silver salts is that one does not need to ingest the anion part (negative part of a silver salt, eg NO3-) which may be toxic. As it is likely that the silver ion will form a bond with the first available anion (Cl- ?), and does so in the stomach or blood, it is just as well that the Chloride anion is readily exchanged for Sulphide etc. and so the silver is able to perform its actions in bonding to and disrupting cell walls, and so on. Metallic silver, which is not readily dissolved by HCl, but will release some ions over time, is unlikely to be absorbed by the stomach but may be absorbed in the small intestine. It is mildly antiseptic and will find its way to the liver just as any reduced silver not bound in the tissue will. It is the ionic silver which will find itself attached to body tissue and it may be wise to take small doses through out the day rather than large single doses to limit this occurrence. Thoughts any one? Ivan. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 2 December 1999 05:18 Subject: Re: CSalittle gray Normally graying is caused by silver compounds. The process is exactly the same as photo developing. When light strikes a silver compound it disassociates, producing a small particle of silver metal. This particle will be produced where light can reach the compound, ie. the skin. Then if additional silver compounds are present, and the ph of the blood is correct and there is a developer present, additional silver will dissociate at the sites where a silver atom is present, causing the atom to grow into a clump. Many compounds are developers, such as caffine and tannin, both of which are in tea. http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/text-coffee.html Since colloidal silver is already reduced, this should never happen with pure colloidal silver. If indeed this is what is happening then it sounds like you are getting some silver compounds in your colloid. Are you using pure distilled water without adding any salt or anything? If you have a TDS meter, check the distilled water for purity, they may be putting in filtered municipal water. If you don't have a TDS meter, boil down 8 oz of supposedly distilled water in a clean pyrex container, and see if you get any residue left. Marshall donna2...@aol.com wrote: James, Could this gray be a build of of silver in my blood maybe? I am really reaching for straws here. If it is from the CS then everytime I go into the sun it will get darker..is this what you are saying? Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSalittle gray
CsPro should be ok, it is colloidal silver. But I have read that the wateroz is ionic silver, which to me means that it is silver compounds... Not necessarily. I believe wateroz mean by this, single charged atoms, ie single ions not clusters. I believe their process is laser ablation, if the silver vapour or plasma can be caught in time, it is possible to make extremely small particles which can be considered to be dissolved rather than colloidal. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe:Donna/ CS questions for everyone
Katarina, It is not blue it is a gray color. It is near my nose, my hubby and son do not see it. I have also had loose bowels for about two weeks and I am in high anxiety mode right now. My skin looks darker also. Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Miror effect
Fred wrote: The glass we use to do the initial meter calibration also grows mirror spots, even though it is never used over 5 minutes and then emptied and stored upside down until the next use. Time definitely works against producing fine particle size. Use part of your last batch to reduce the required run time! Do you have any idea what the PPM is? Send an ounce of Cs and water and we will test them for you free, to: PII, 3516 Delilah Drive, Cape Coral, FL 33993 Hi Fred, I've let batches cook for 24hrs plus at very low current, (0.5ma) without any plating effect on the glass. I've also run batches without current limit, for an hour and ended up with major plating. I don't stir and my electrodes are large and about 5 apart. The runs I've made with 20KVAC, however, stay clear and show no signs of plating. If I really over do it (electrode very close to the water) and run long, I still get no plating, but the solution starts to look grey. I've observed the following: 1. All of the above products kill the bacteria on contact, according to my canine fecal matter test (patent pending!). Although, some of the above products themselves, do appear more feculent than others. VBG 2. All of the products seem to affect my Lyme Disease, according the herx observed. 3. The HVAC seems to cause the strongest herx. Can you or anyone comment on my observations as I search for which method and parameters are best. Thanks for any thoughts, critisizm, etc. Jeff-in-a-petri-dish (feeling like a laboratory rat, but a white rat still!) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Magnets/Help!!!!
This is really very interesting! I tried sleeping with a magnet under my pillow. I woke up with a headache most every time. Maybe I had the wrong pole up! I assume the compass needle end that says north, is magnitized as a south pole? If not, it would not be attracted to north. I have floated a magnet in water (on a piece of styrafoam) and it alligns with the earth's poles. Using this method, one would call the end pointing south, the north pole. Does this make sence? Jeff POTTED PLANT wrote: I'll go with the compass! When I recently bought some more magnets to make a magnetic pad I marked each side of each magnet according to the north-seeking end of the compass. I aimed the compass at each magnet and which ever side of the disk magnets attracted the north-seeking end of the needle I marked as north. I marked the other side as south. Now, Davis and Rawls say that the north pole of a magnet has a soothing effect and is what you should put on an injury. They say that north will reduce swelling and accordingly, pain and bruising. They say that the south pole is invigorating and will tend to increase the swelling of an injury. They took a bunch of earth worms and divided them into three groups-- a control group, a North group and a South group. The south box of worms rested on the south pole of a magnet and was kept distant from the other worms. The north box of worms was on the north pole of their magnet, while the control worms had no magnet. The control worms lived normal lives and deaths and *did not* chew their way out of the box. The north worms were not as healthy as the control worms and had a higher death count. The south worms were healthier than the control worms, ate all the food in the box and most chewed their way out of the box. I managed to ram my right knee onto the end of a board and that is when I decided to try the magnet pad idea. (Hobbled right out to Home Depot). I put the *north* side of my home- made pad against the owie and wrapped it with an elastic bandage which I got when I was hobbling home. In less than 8 to 12 hours later the pain minimized to the point that I some times had to stumble over the coffee table to remember that I was a cripple. There was hardly any bruising at all and three days later I stopped using the pad. S, I'll believe the compass! Although, to properly test this I should bang my other knee and use the south side this time and see if I am in agony for 6 weeks. oo I'm feeling achy already just at the thought. I put some Mexican jumping beans on the north pole of one magnet and some on the south side of another. The south beans jumped all over the place. The north beans didn't do as well. In 4 days we could have had Mexican coffee. Compass works for me. David -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSJanis///Recovery
In a message dated 12/02/1999 2:23:56 AM Central Standard Time, vi...@peak.org writes: --Did you have initial die-off herx reaction? Valik for some unknown reason some Lyme patients don't have herxes. I got slowly better on Doxycycline and had reached the 95% better mark before I started WaterOz I now consider myself 98% better as I still have some numbness in my left hand due to the Lyme. It may be permanent damage and I may never get all the feeling back but it doesn't bother me and I have learned to live with it. I take the WaterOz now in hopes of being able to stay off abx and keeping control of the Lyme which so far so good. Here is my story on the Lyme Quilt page if you are interested in reading it from beginning to end. A HREF=http://www.angelfire.com/cgi-bin/admem?category=;http://www.angelfire.c om/ny2/James/page99.html/A --How long before you saw improvement? My problems when I started silver I think was yeast as I had some mild joint pain and stiffness and after stopping the abx and starting WaterOz I noticed that went away and it was in the first few weeks of taking silver. I feel I was one of the lucky ones as in the abx did help me but I didn't want to stay on the abx forever. I felt like silver was a good alternative to the caustic abx I was taking. 6 months off abx and no symptoms at this point and I think its the silver keeping it all under control. My joints are in better than shape than they have been in years. My shoulders were weak and sore when I started working out and now they are painfree and stronger than ever before. I wonder if the silver and exercise didn't help the joints to sort of regenerate themselves. --What other things were you doing? Read the story and it will explain all the rest I have done. :) The one thing that concerns me is Donna has told me its just her face effected by the color change. Would this be normal for silver to do? Wouldn't it effect the rest of her body not just her face? Take care, Janis »§«:*´`³Y³´`*:»§«Sinaj101»§«:*´`³Y³´`*:»§« §Lyme Survivor§ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: IONIC SILVER
That is not how it works. What happens is the same as when you develop film, silver compounds plate out onto any particles of silver that are there, making them grow until they are trapped. Particles large enough to get caught with colloidal silver are too large to make it through the stomach lining. Marshall Katarina Wittich wrote: It was my understanding from the Water Oz literature that ionic silver was even smaller than colloidal and therefore there would be even less chance of it getting trapped under the skin and turning you blue. Several other people, (myself included) are taking WaterOZ as well. They advertise it as a ionic silver, not a collodial silver. Could this be different enough from the collodial (Bob says it measures out at about 60ppms) to cause this greying?Or could it be that with the higher ppm, and drinking the same amounts as the weaker home made stuff, that Donna has indeed drunk enough to have arygria? And in the meantime, is there anyone out there who has any ideas, comfort, whatever for Donna? I'd be freaking out if I were her, and I'd like to see this list help her out! A confused, Sparrow -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Boiling water Special Glass
2001 TV VCR wrote: Katarina, If I remember correctly he said that boiling water will help produce the smallest particle size. This conflicts with what Marshall said. Russ, from Sota Instruments claims to have sent the CS which they made using method to a lab for testing. He said that photo of the CS (made using an electron microscope) showed that the particle size was very small. The small size that so many people refer to in fractions of a micron (.001 to .015? microns I believe). So who is right? Marshall seems to know more about chemistry, etc. so I will follow his advice for now. If the water has dissolved gases in it then the conductivity goes up, and most likely the particle size goes up as well. Boiling will degass the water and should produce smaller particle size. Hot water increases the conductivity also, and produces larger particle size, likely due to aggregation. Smallest particle size should be produce with pure water that is degassed, that is, boiled, and cooled to room temperature before using. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSalittle gray
Interesting. I noticed you footnoted several paragraphs, but did not give the references. Could you give me the refs? Thanks, Marshall Ivan Anderson wrote: The mechanism for the darkening of tissue by silver is as follows: Silver chloride is photo-reduced by UV light to metallic silver and is then reoxidised to black silver sulphide and bound to the tissue. If a high concentration of selenium is present the silver sulphide will be converted to silver selenide, which may result in higher deposition than with silver sulphide. (1) ATSDR (1990) reports that the deposition of silver in tissues is the result of the precipitation of insoluble silver salts, such as silver chloride and silver phosphate. These insoluble silver salts are then transformed into soluble silver sulfide albuminates, to bind or to form complexes with amino or carboxyl groups in RNA, DNA, and proteins, or to be reduced by ascorbic acid or catechol-amines. The skin discoloration of humans with argyria may be caused by a photo-reduc-tion of silver chloride to metallic silver. The metallic silver is then oxidized by tissue, sub-sequently forming black silver sulfide. (2) Colloidal silver is in fact oxidised and therefore an oxidising agent which partly explains its biological action. I am coming to the opinion that as silver must be ionic in form to be biologically active, the only value in CS over soluble silver salts is that one does not need to ingest the anion part (negative part of a silver salt, eg NO3-) which may be toxic. As it is likely that the silver ion will form a bond with the first available anion (Cl- ?), and does so in the stomach or blood, it is just as well that the Chloride anion is readily exchanged for Sulphide etc. and so the silver is able to perform its actions in bonding to and disrupting cell walls, and so on. Metallic silver, which is not readily dissolved by HCl, but will release some ions over time, is unlikely to be absorbed by the stomach but may be absorbed in the small intestine. It is mildly antiseptic and will find its way to the liver just as any reduced silver not bound in the tissue will. It is the ionic silver which will find itself attached to body tissue and it may be wise to take small doses through out the day rather than large single doses to limit this occurrence. Thoughts any one? Ivan. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 2 December 1999 05:18 Subject: Re: CSalittle gray Normally graying is caused by silver compounds. The process is exactly the same as photo developing. When light strikes a silver compound it disassociates, producing a small particle of silver metal. This particle will be produced where light can reach the compound, ie. the skin. Then if additional silver compounds are present, and the ph of the blood is correct and there is a developer present, additional silver will dissociate at the sites where a silver atom is present, causing the atom to grow into a clump. Many compounds are developers, such as caffine and tannin, both of which are in tea. http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/text-coffee.html Since colloidal silver is already reduced, this should never happen with pure colloidal silver. If indeed this is what is happening then it sounds like you are getting some silver compounds in your colloid. Are you using pure distilled water without adding any salt or anything? If you have a TDS meter, check the distilled water for purity, they may be putting in filtered municipal water. If you don't have a TDS meter, boil down 8 oz of supposedly distilled water in a clean pyrex container, and see if you get any residue left. Marshall donna2...@aol.com wrote: James, Could this gray be a build of of silver in my blood maybe? I am really reaching for straws here. If it is from the CS then everytime I go into the sun it will get darker..is this what you are saying? Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Magnets/Help!!!!
We have been though all this before. The magnet may be labeled the north pole, or the north seeking pole, either of which may be labeled north, but are opposite. To make matters worse some literature considers the true north pole of the earth as a south magnetic pole, so in that case both north seeking and north pole of the magnetic would point north. So basically there is no consensis. Even worse, no one was able to say conclusively if the north pole that is suppose to be good for you is really the north pole, or the north seeking pole. Marshall Jeffrey A. Madore wrote: This is really very interesting! I tried sleeping with a magnet under my pillow. I woke up with a headache most every time. Maybe I had the wrong pole up! I assume the compass needle end that says north, is magnitized as a south pole? If not, it would not be attracted to north. I have floated a magnet in water (on a piece of styrafoam) and it alligns with the earth's poles. Using this method, one would call the end pointing south, the north pole. Does this make sence? Jeff POTTED PLANT wrote: I'll go with the compass! When I recently bought some more magnets to make a magnetic pad I marked each side of each magnet according to the north-seeking end of the compass. I aimed the compass at each magnet and which ever side of the disk magnets attracted the north-seeking end of the needle I marked as north. I marked the other side as south. Now, Davis and Rawls say that the north pole of a magnet has a soothing effect and is what you should put on an injury. They say that north will reduce swelling and accordingly, pain and bruising. They say that the south pole is invigorating and will tend to increase the swelling of an injury. They took a bunch of earth worms and divided them into three groups-- a control group, a North group and a South group. The south box of worms rested on the south pole of a magnet and was kept distant from the other worms. The north box of worms was on the north pole of their magnet, while the control worms had no magnet. The control worms lived normal lives and deaths and *did not* chew their way out of the box. The north worms were not as healthy as the control worms and had a higher death count. The south worms were healthier than the control worms, ate all the food in the box and most chewed their way out of the box. I managed to ram my right knee onto the end of a board and that is when I decided to try the magnet pad idea. (Hobbled right out to Home Depot). I put the *north* side of my home- made pad against the owie and wrapped it with an elastic bandage which I got when I was hobbling home. In less than 8 to 12 hours later the pain minimized to the point that I some times had to stumble over the coffee table to remember that I was a cripple. There was hardly any bruising at all and three days later I stopped using the pad. S, I'll believe the compass! Although, to properly test this I should bang my other knee and use the south side this time and see if I am in agony for 6 weeks. oo I'm feeling achy already just at the thought. I put some Mexican jumping beans on the north pole of one magnet and some on the south side of another. The south beans jumped all over the place. The north beans didn't do as well. In 4 days we could have had Mexican coffee. Compass works for me. David -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSArgyria
Donna, I typed Argyria under alta-vista search and got several sites with information:A HREF=http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?sc=onq=Argyriakl=XXpg=qsearch .x=28search.y=9AltaVista - Web Results/A Karen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS[Fwd: THE SILVER UPDATE NEWSLETTER� -� Fall 1999, Issue #6]
---BeginMessage--- __ SILVER UPDATE NEWSLETTER Fall 1999 Issue #6 Now serving over 4,000+ subscribers world-wide! By www.colloidal-silver.com __ IN THIS MONTH'S ISSUE: 1. Colloidal Silver - Discovery Center 2. Colloidal Silver - Experiences 3. Colloidal Silver - Research Discoveries 4. Colloidal Silver - Chat Message Board at Yahoo! 5. How to Buy or Make your own Colloidal Silver Note: This monthly newsletter is sent only to subscribers who request it. Forward this to your friends who would like it. To subscribe to this newsletter go to: http://www.colloidal-silver.com/csdcnewsletter.html To unsubscribe follow the directions at the end of this newsletter. 1. Colloidal Silver - Discovery Center http://www.colloidal-silver.com Welcome to The Silver Update Newsletter. This is a compilation of experiences and research on colloidal silver. This newsletter is a community effort from people around the world who have had personal experiences with colloidal silver. Your input is very valuable to us! We will soon allow you to input your colloidal silver experiences directly into our web site! We will notify you when that feature is functional. Until then, you can email your testimonials to us at testimoni...@colloidal-silver.com 2. Colloidal Silver - Experiences Many excellent experiences are emailed to us daily, below are a few powerful and thought provoking testimonials of the effectiveness of colloidal silver. For a complete list of all the colloidal silver experiences on the Discovery Center go to http://www.colloidal-silver.com/csdcuses.html --- I wouldn't have believed it but it happened - I had an abscessed tooth. It had been getting progressively worse for days until the weekend when on Saturday morning I could no longer take enough aspirin (nuprin) to kill the pain and keep the swelling down. I'd heard about colloidal silver and sent my boyfriend out for it. He came home with 2 bottles telling me I needed to call the doc(preaching) but I told him, Let me try this first. At $60 for 2 bottles, it costs 1/2 of what I'd spend seeing our dentist taking antibiotics for 6 weeks. I tipped my head back and soaked the tooth area with the colloidal silver and let it absorb into my gums. I saw results in hours! The swelling went down and to this day the abscessed tooth has not bothered me again! (I still need dental work on it.) Keep spreading the word! To view more experiences on Colloidal Silver used in oral applications go to http://www.colloidal-silver.com/csdcthroat.html --- Recently our male cat had an eye infection which was so bad the eye wouldn't open and when I pried it open a bit it's third eye-lid was closed. Thinking, Here comes another Vet bill it suddenly occurred to me that this might be a job for CS. So I squirted about 1cc into his eye from a little syringe (needle removed!) opening his eye the best I could and the next morning (about 12 hours later) when I went to give him a second dose, the eye was so cleared up that I was uncertain about which eye had had the infection...I couldn't believe it!!! I'm still amazed and tell the story to others frequently. The eye looked COMPLETELY normal! Go figure! To view more experiences on Colloidal Silver used with Animals and Pets go to http://www.colloidal-silver.com/csdcanimals.html --- I am a retired chemist and I have been making CS for nearly 3 years now. I have had some great cases clear up very quickly. One case of a young man, 35, had lymphoma and the MD's gave him 2 weeks!!! I got him started on CS last Dec 1, which was about 10 to 15 PPM along with MSM. The CS he took 4 times daily and the MSM once. Within 20 days he returned to his MD and they did a blood exam and pronounced him free of malignancy!! To view more experiences on colloidal silver used as an alternative healing agent go to http://www.colloidal-silver.com/csdcalt-ab.html --- I purchased a Robey Deluxe Colloidal Silver Generator about a year ago and I am happy to report some very good results. After 15 years suffering nail fungus and trying everything on it, the 80 PPM silver has it almost cleared up. I use a sprayer attached to a peroxide bottle two or three times a day. Nails take about a year to fully grow out, so it takes patience and determination. I was afraid to use the Lamisil the doctor prescribed for fungus, as a possible side affect is kidney damage. I have also used it topically on cuts bruises and infections. I swallow about a teaspoon of 20 PPM a day and never have a sic day. I use a couple of drops of 10 PPM in my eyes with an eyedropper when they are burning, and a saturated swab inside my ear canals when they are itching. As an aftershave treatment I pat on 40 PPM, this also works for me on itchy scalp. I was a little reluctant at first until I saw it work for myself under a microscope. I placed a culture of algae on the glass
CSRe: James/gallstones/Carmen
Hi James, I don't know why my friends doctor thought the flush was necessary in addition to the apple juice. And I'm not certain that dissolving the stones was the point of the apple juice. It was just a guess -- which is why I think it is important that Carmen do it under supervision of someone who would know the best way not to end up with a stuck stone. Take care, Katarina That protocol is designed to build up a large store of bile in the bladder, by not eating fats, which trigger bile secretion into the small intestine. When the olive oil hits the fasting system system the gall bladder contracts powerfully, and forces the stones out. And yes, one can get a stuck stone. If the Apple juice reduced the stones, then why not just take it until they gone? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Sam/olive leaf/Carol
Oooh, Sam, that's scary about East Park. I'm definitely curious to hear what Carol has to say. I wonder what her healer who makes the stuff thinks about right and left spin. Thanks for the warning. Katarina Olive LeafFolks, Carol and I caught East Park in a bit of a fraud, so I'd not recommend = their credibility. They claimed the book about olive leaf was written = about their product, and we discovered it most decidedly wasn't. Wait to = hear what Carol has to say. She's got the goods on olive leaf, among = other things. Sam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: OT Diane/miscarriage
Diane, I'm so sorry about your miscarriage. I think our society often underestimates what a loss it is to lose a baby, no matter how young, so people seldom get enough support to mourn a miscarriage. And even if it means that that little one probably wasn't strong enough to come out into the world, it's still hard to say goodbye. so I hope you are okay and wish you great luck with the next one! Take care, Katarina I have not been current on all the posts in the last few daysI've been busy having a miscarriage. and no.I was not taking any cs. I'm sure it was a fluke. But...we'll try again =-) AnywayI've used the delete button a lot lately, as I know I'll never catch up. SoI dont' know what I've missed here, but I am interested to know more about this ionic silver. Is that what this WaterOz is Where does one obtain four gallons of it??? Whatever other info you can send me on it to bring me up to speed, I'd appreciate it. Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: OT miscarriage
On Thursday, December 02, 1999 4:48 PM, Marsha Hallett wrote:
it's still hard to say goodbye.
Yup.
Diane
Date: 02-Dec-1999 14:48:40 -0800
From: Marsha Hallett
To: m...@jazz {silver-l...@eskimo.com}
Subject: Re: CSRe: OT Diane/miscarriage
I know, too...lost my second one at 3 months. It hurt both ways.
Fortunately my four others are now healthy adults.
Marsha
My wife and I lost a child at five months. This is what caused the
doctors to run the test for Lupus. At the same time, some friends
suggested CS. Since then, my wife's health has been great after changing
eating habits, lots of exercise, water CS. After the last miscarriage,
we were told she would be in harm's way if she were to get pregnant
again. Well, our daughter is two years old, my wife and daughter are
both well, and CS is used as a daily health maintenance plan for the
whole family. Sorry, but just had to share. :)
Gigat,
Mike M.
Michael Marr
Financial Analyst
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Re: CSRe: Magnets/Help!!!!
Hi Jeff and magnetees, When Davis and Rawls check out a magnet, they don't even bother with a compass. They say they hang the magnet on a string and which ever end, side,or face orients itself towards the northern hemisphere is the *south* pole of the magnet. I guess they never played with boats when they were children. Maybe they were never children. The compass needle is just a magnetized needle and the end that points to north is the south end or otherwise known as the *north-seeking* end. Yeah, Jeff, you must have had the south side up, under the pillow. I'll try that tonight. Hey, Jeff, something just occurred to me. Maybe the magnet you used is one of those new imported Israeli Mother-in-law magnets. After it gives you the headache, it gives you a craving for chicken soup. The S and N markings don't mean South and North. They mean Son-in-law and Not-son-in-law. Okay, I'll stop. David Jeffrey A. Madore wrote: This is really very interesting! I tried sleeping with a magnet under my pillow.? I woke up with a headache most every time. Maybe I had the wrong pole up! I assume the compass needle end that says north, is magnitized as a south pole? If not, it would not be attracted to north. I have floated a magnet in water (on a piece of styrafoam) and it alligns with the earth's poles. Using this method, one would call the end pointing south, the north pole. Does this make sence? Jeff ? -- E-mail to:?? broompi...@juno.com (no attachments) Otherwise: broompi...@netzero.net Fax to:? 1-253-681-1133 ? __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: David/Magnets
Hey David, Great! that's the answer I needed. The side the North needle points at is the north magnet -- I guess it's simple! Now for the other questions. Most important -- do you think it would work to put a magnet under or on the 5 gallon metal holding tank of my reverse osmosis water system and magnetize the water that way?? And would it be a bad idea to make all of my drinking water north magnetized -- so far I've been doing a lot of mixing north and south as per Lew. What do you think? And for placing a woter container on a magnet -- does the entire bottom of the container have to be on the magnet? Will it also work if the magnet is thick- one inch -- and 3900 gauss, but only covers 1/3 of the bottom of container. Thanks for the info!! Take care, Katarina Hi Katerina and listees! I'll go with the compass! When I recently bought some more magnets to make a magnetic pad I marked each side of each magnet according to the north-seeking end of the compass. I aimed the compass at each magnet and which ever side of the disk magnets attracted the north-seeking end of the needle I marked as north. I marked the other side as south. Now, Davis and Rawls say that the north pole of a magnet has a soothing effect and is what you should put on an injury. They say that north will reduce swelling and accordingly, pain and bruising. They say that the south pole is invigorating and will tend to increase the swelling of an injury. They took a bunch of earth worms and divided them into three groups-- a control group, a North group and a South group. The south box of worms rested on the south pole of a magnet and was kept distant from the other worms. The north box of worms was on the north pole of their magnet, while the control worms had no magnet. The control worms lived normal lives and deaths and *did not* chew their way out of the box. The north worms were not as healthy as the control worms and had a higher death count. The south worms were healthier than the control worms, ate all the food in the box and most chewed their way out of the box. I managed to ram my right knee onto the end of a board and that is when I decided to try the magnet pad idea. (Hobbled right out to Home Depot). I put the *north* side of my home- made pad against the owie and wrapped it with an elastic bandage which I got when I was hobbling home. In less than 8 to 12 hours later the pain minimized to the point that I some times had to stumble over the coffee table to remember that I was a cripple. There was hardly any bruising at all and three days later I stopped using the pad. S, I'll believe the compass! Although, to properly test this I should bang my other knee and use the south side this time and see if I am in agony for 6 weeks. oo I'm feeling achy already just at the thought. I put some Mexican jumping beans on the north pole of one magnet and some on the south side of another. The south beans jumped all over the place. The north beans didn't do as well. In 4 days we could have had Mexican coffee. Compass works for me. David Katarina Wittich wrote: Okay guys, lots of questions. I just got my large magnet for magnetizing water and it's north side is marked differently than the north side on my smaller magnets -- so one of them is wrong. I know this because when I put a compass near the large magnet the needle swings north when faced with the north marked side -- but when I put the compass near the north side of the small magnets the compass needle swings to the south. Help!!!Which one is right??? This could be kind of dangerous!! Next question is that I got a 3 by 6 by 1 inch because it ws the cheapest I could find. Does the magnet need to completely cover the bottom of the water container you put on it? Or will it work if it only covers part?? And, lastly -- I asked this before but nobody answered -- is there any reason I couldn't put the magnet on the metal tank of my reverse osmosis system? The water sits in there for a long time -- and I've heard of attatching magnets to pipes -- but don't know if they work that well. Would the fact that it is metal matter -- or that it is large -- 2 gallons -- instead of a litre. If the magnet was there permanently -- would it work? Help!! and thank you. Katarina Ps -- I know there was a lot of discussion about whether the north side of magnets is really the north or the south -- but it just confused me terribly -- so what I need is a simple and practical answer. Thanks. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html
CSIONIC AGAIN
Could someone please tell me in plain english, suitable for a blond, whether colloidal particles are smaller than ionic or the opposite is true and whether one is better to take than the other? I know this may be debatable but I gotta' know. :o) So far the ionics are winning with me. Jo That is not how it works. What happens is the same as when you develop film, silver compounds plate out onto any particles of silver that are there, making them grow until they are trapped. Particles large enough to get caught with colloidal silver are too large to make it through the stomach lining. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Marshall/magnets
Oh Marshall, that's depressing that even you can't answer this question. I was hoping it was just me being dense. Makes me think that the only safe way of magnetizing water until someone figures this out is Lew's way of mixing both pole waters!! When you magnetize water -- what do you do? Use the pole that the north seeking magnet points to? Or south seeking? Take care, Katarina We have been though all this before. The magnet may be labeled the north pole, or the north seeking pole, either of which may be labeled north, but are opposite. To make matters worse some literature considers the true north pole of the earth as a south magnetic pole, so in that case both north seeking and north pole of the magnetic would point north. So basically there is no consensis. Even worse, no one was able to say conclusively if the north pole that is suppose to be good for you is really the north pole, or the north seeking pole. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: David/Magnets
Hey David -- I think my magnet weighs five pounds so the string thing won't work. K Hi Jeff and magnetees, When Davis and Rawls check out a magnet, they don't even bother with a compass. They say they hang the magnet on a string and which ever end, side,or face orients itself towards the northern hemisphere is the *south* pole of the magnet. I guess they never played with boats when they were children. Maybe they were never children. The compass needle is just a magnetized needle and the end that points to north is the south end or otherwise known as the *north-seeking* end. Yeah, Jeff, you must have had the south side up, under the pillow. I'll try that tonight. Hey, Jeff, something just occurred to me. Maybe the magnet you used is one of those new imported Israeli Mother-in-law magnets. After it gives you the headache, it gives you a craving for chicken soup. The S and N markings don't mean South and North. They mean Son-in-law and Not-son-in-law. Okay, I'll stop. David -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSIONIC AGAIN
Normally ionic is what you have when you dissolve an ionic compound, such as silver nitrate in water. Each atom of silver is an ion, coupled loosely with the cation, which in this case is the nitrate. Normally ionicsilver is poisonous due to the cation, and can cause bluing of the skin. If there is no cation, then I am not quite certain what is going on. One of the apparent mechanisms by which silver kills pathogens is by maintaining a positive charge on the particle, which attracts oxygen, which then sticks to the surface. This cancels the positive charge of one atom of silver in the particle. The particle remains positively charged, and if a negatively charged pathogen happens by, attracts it like an electrostatic dust cloth. Now the pathogen and the oxygen are both adhering to the surface of the particle of silver, and both have lost their negative charge by gaining a positive charge from the silver atoms. They no longer repeal each other and quickly react, oxidizing the pathogen, and killing it. The enzyme that keeps the pathogen negatively charged breaks down, and the dead uncharged pathogen floats away, and the silver particle is left to do it all over again. This is a catalytic reaction where the silver catalyzes the oxydation of the pathogen. Now, if you have ionic silver, you have only one atom. Once it has attracted the oxygen, it is now neutral and no longer attracts any pathogens. If a pathogen happens to bump into the ionic atom then it can still be oxidized, but the likelyhood of this happening is thousands of times less than if the silver still had a positive charge and actively pulled it in. The bottom line is that this catalytic efficiency of silver clusters is very low at the ionic level, increases as the particles contain more atoms, then finally begins dropping again once too many atoms are hidden in the center. The peak efficiency has been reported to be in the range of 35 to 1,000 atoms or so. Big clumps of silver, and atoms of silver are almost nil in their catalytic effect. It seems quite likely that silver kills pathogens by other means as well, since this would not kill aerobic bacteria, yet silver does kill them. Hope this helps. Marshall Mercer wrote: Could someone please tell me in plain english, suitable for a blond, whether colloidal particles are smaller than ionic or the opposite is true and whether one is better to take than the other? I know this may be debatable but I gotta' know. :o) So far the ionics are winning with me. Jo That is not how it works. What happens is the same as when you develop film, silver compounds plate out onto any particles of silver that are there, making them grow until they are trapped. Particles large enough to get caught with colloidal silver are too large to make it through the stomach lining. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: Donna/skin coloration
Donna, I wish so much that we could do something to help alleviate your anxiety because that has to be doing you so much harm right now. I know that when I am scared about something -- like a cancer scare that I had a while ago -- I keep reminding myself that things usually turn out for the better -- and that if they turn out for the worse than I will have to deal with it then -- and that I will manage, but that meanwhile it does me no good and a lot of harm to let myself worry about something that might not be wrong. I think it would really help us help you if you could sit down and type out all the details. Like : Where is it near your nose? How much area does it cover? Anywhere else? (there are a lot of blood vessels in that area and it could be that they are showing more for some reason) Is your skin darker all over? Did you notice greying before or after your bowels were loose? I assume you were taking the cs for lyme? Is that true? What other medications are you on and have you been on? Have you taken any homemade cs or just the WaterOz and CsPro? And what are you doing to take care of yourself and check out what might be causing this? It seems really important to find out what this is - not just wait for it to go away -- if only because it is causing you such anxiety. And the loose bowels might be a symptom of something - although they could just come from the anxiety. Are you going to see a doctor and get checked out? Even if your hubby and son don't see it (which is good news because it means it is probably not as bad as you think) it is important to honor your own perceptions and make sure this is not a warning signal. And none of us can tell you what it is - we will only be guessing -- you need to see a health professional for that. But please, do whatever you can do to help yourself get calm about this -- find some way to hold your own hand and let yourself know that whatever it is - you will be allright -- and a most likely a month from now you will look back with relief that there was nothing very wrong at all. Cyberhugs, Katarina Katarina, It is not blue it is a gray color. It is near my nose, my hubby and son do not see it. I have also had loose bowels for about two weeks and I am in high anxiety mode right now. My skin looks darker also. Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSIONIC AGAIN
Jo, This is not the WaterOz I order from. Mine is coming from Grangeville, Idaho and this company seems to be more expensive. If you want the toll free phone number of the one I order from let me know. They will send you a couple of booklets and a cassette tape that explains their theory. I heard at one time there was some battle over the two companies having the same name but hadn't heard anything lately on it. I didn't see a price for 4 gallons at a time and that is what I order to get a price break. But some of their information sounds a lot the same on ionic silver. That is the reason I am sending you this link. Let me know if you can access it or not. I am sure there is some techier folks than I that may not agree with some of this. A HREF=http://www.waterozm.com/index.html;waterozm.com, alternative health .999 pure + or - ionic minerals, stabilized oxygen, ozone purifier/A Take care, Janis In a message dated 12/02/1999 12:04:42 PM Central Standard Time, birds...@bendcable.com writes: Could someone please tell me in plain english, suitable for a blond, whether colloidal particles are smaller than ionic or the opposite is true and whether one is better to take than the other? I know this may be debatable but I gotta' know. :o) So far the ionics are winning with me. »§«:*´`³Y³´`*:»§«Sinaj101»§«:*´`³Y³´`*:»§« §Lyme Survivor§ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Magnets/Help!!!!
Marshall Dudley wrote: We have been though all this before. Yep, we've been there', done that. The magnet may be labeled the north pole, or the north seeking pole, either of which may be labeled north, but are opposite. Not sure what you mean here, but if you mean the north pole of a magnet is the opposite of the north seeking pole, I agree. To make matters worse some literature considers the true north pole of the earth as a south magnetic pole, so in that case both north seeking and north pole of the magnetic would point north. I guess my magnets and I? are physically handicapped. I have a front side and a back side and I don't know how to get both sides facing the same direction. My magnets have a north pole (south pole seeking side) and a south pole (north pole seeking side) and they don't know how to get their north pole side and their north pole seeking side to face the same direction at the same time. ? ? Even worse, no one was able to say conclusively if the north pole that is suppose to be good for you is really the north pole, or the north seeking pole. Not true. On page 22 of their book, Magnetism and it's effects on the living System? Davis and Rawls have a drawing that shows the Earth magnet as a bar magnet on the central axis of the Earth and the bar magnet's north pole is very clearly next to the Geographic north pole. On page 6, they say: It is of the upmost importance that you understand how we arrived at identifying the poles of a magnet, as many present-day magnet manufacturers do not code or identify the poles correctly. The two poles of any magnet are the N pole and the S pole. As does the Earth, a magnet also has its two poles.The simple means of Identification of the two poles is to take a long straight bar or cylinder magnet and tie a string or thread at its center. Then tie the thread to a support that will allow the magnet freedom to swing freely, keeping it away from all metal objects. The magnet will turn and slow,then stop turning. The end of the magnet that is pointing to the N pole of the Earth is the S pole of the magnet. ? This is the information I used to make my magnet pads. The magnets seem to have the effect Davis and Rawls say they should have. That's pretty much all I need to know relative to poles of a magnet. ? Best Regards Everyone, David ? -- E-mail to:?? broompi...@juno.com (no attachments) Otherwise: broompi...@netzero.net Fax to:? 1-253-681-1133 ? __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSMore interesting information on Sun Weirdness
It is looking more and more like we have some really big ships or something near the sun: http://www.millenngroup.com/repository/solar/anomaly.html http://www.millenngroup.com/repository/solar/anomaly2.html Very interesting reading. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: Magnets/Help!!!!
POTTED PLANT wrote: Marshall Dudley wrote: We have been though all this before. Yep, we've been there', done that. The magnet may be labeled the north pole, or the north seeking pole, either of which may be labeled north, but are opposite. Not sure what you mean here, but if you mean the north pole of a magnet is the opposite of the north seeking pole, I agree. To make matters worse some literature considers the true north pole of the earth as a south magnetic pole, so in that case both north seeking and north pole of the magnetic would point north. I guess my magnets and I are physically handicapped. I have a front side and a back side and I don't know how to get both sides facing the same direction. My magnets have a north pole (south pole seeking side) and a south pole (north pole seeking side) and they don't know how to get their north pole side and their north pole seeking side to face the same direction at the same time. If the true north pole of the earth is actually the south pole of a magnet, then the north pole of the magnet would be the same side as the north seeking pole. For instance: http://www.einstein-newton.com/sci_phy_Magnets.htm where it says: We know the North Pole of a magnet is attracted to the South Pole of another magnet. If the North Pole of a magnet points towards the earths North, the earths North must be a South Pole. The earth is a giant magnet with its a South Pole in its North, which makes a compass' (i.e. magnets) North Pole points North. Not true. On page 22 of their book, Magnetism and it's effects on the living System Davis and Rawls have a drawing that shows the Earth magnet as a bar magnet on the central axis of the Earth and the bar magnet's north pole is very clearly next to the Geographic north pole. Like I said before, there is disagreement, we could both produce documents that contradict each other on this all day. On page 6, they say: It is of the upmost importance that you understand how we arrived at identifying the poles of a magnet, as many present-day magnet manufacturers do not code or identify the poles correctly. The two poles of any magnet are the N pole and the S pole. As does the Earth, a magnet also has its two poles.The simple means of Identification of the two poles is to take a long straight bar or cylinder magnet and tie a string or thread at its center. Then tie the thread to a support that will allow the magnet freedom to swing freely, keeping it away from all metal objects. The magnet will turn and slow,then stop turning. The end of the magnet that is pointing to the N pole of the Earth is the S pole of the magnet. So this is the opposite of the above reference (which is only one of many I have found that say this, and just as many say what you are saying). This is the information I used to make my magnet pads. The magnets seem to have the effect Davis and Rawls say they should have. That's pretty much all I need to know relative to poles of a magnet. So from this information we need to use the end of the magnet that points south when you hang it from a thread. That is the bottom line. It is good that they are bringing together the healing end of the magnet in the same text as how the poles are determined. Finally we can maybe know for sure how to determine the healing end. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSOT, here`s a good one!!
Dear Listers, Here`s another goodie for you all to enjoy! Donna, read, laugh, and RELAX!!! :o) Love to you all, Marsha THE NIGHT BEFORE Y2K 'Twas the night before Y2K, And all through the nation We awaited The Bug, The Millennium sensation. The chips were replaced In computers with care, In hopes that ol' Bugsy Wouldn't stop there. While some folks could think They were snug in their beds Others had visions Of dread in their heads. And Ma with her PC, And I with my Mac Had just logged on the Net And kicked back with a snack. When over the server, There arose such a clatter I called Mister Gates To see what was the matter. But he was away, So I flew like a flash Off to my bank To withdraw all my cash. When what with my wandering eyes Should I see? My good old Mac Looked sick to me. The hack of all hackers Was looking so smug, I knew that it must be The Y2K Bug! His image downloaded In no time at all, He whistled and shouted, Let all systems fall! Go Intel! Go Gateway! Now HP! Big Blue! Everything Compaq, And Pentium too! All processors big, All processors small, Crash away! Crash away! Crash away all! As I drew in my breath And was turning around, Out through the modem, He came with a bound. He was covered with fur, And slung on his back Was a sack full of virus's, Set for attack. His eyes-how they twinkled! His dimples-how merry! As midnight approached, though Things soon became scary. He was chubby and plump, Perpetually grinning, And I laughed when I saw him Though my hard drive stopped spinning. A wink of his eye, And a twist of his head, Soon gave me to know A new feeling of dread. He spoke not a word, But went straight to his work, He changed all the clocks, Then turned with a jerk. With a twitch of his nose, And a quick little wink, All things electronic Soon went on the blink. He zoomed from my system, To the next folks on line, He caused such a disruption, Could this be a sign? Then I heard him exclaim, With a loud, hearty cry, Happy Y2K to all, Kiss your PC's goodbye! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSalittle gray
Dear Donna, Get a mirror, go outside into the sunshine, whenever you have some, and check the color then. It is really hard to check color in indoor lighting. If hubby says it is OK, believe him! Love, Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe:Donna/ CS questions for everyone
In a message dated 12/2/99 10:07:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, myf...@mwt.net writes: WaterOZcalls their silver an ionic silver rather than a colloid. Supposedly they have a way to break the silver particles up even smaler than a colloid. Somebody on this list surely has the phone number, you can order 4 gallons, it's around $125.00 or so including shipping. Sparrow Yes, I got the info privately via email. Thanks for thinking of me! Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: OT Diane/miscarriage
In a message dated 12/2/99 12:29:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, kato...@mindspring.com writes: it's still hard to say goodbye. Yup. Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSalittle gray
On Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:00:05 -0500, Corvus Corax cor...@cheerful.com wrote: Please find out what this is, if this is not caused by silver, then it could be some medical condition that could make you very ill. It is not normal for your skin to change and while if it is silver it is only cosmetic, if it is something else, please don't let it get to far. Are you eating something in large quantity? For example, carrots to excess will turn your skin orange due to beta carotine. Some bodybuilders used to use a red carotine supplement to simulate tanning. It goes away when discontinued. Chuck Try to be the kind of person your dog thinks you are - Anonymous -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSLiver
Hi Sam Can you tell me what the liver cleanse you did was, I am thinking of doing one. Carol - Original Message - From: silver...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 10:26 PM Subject: Re: CSLiver I read Clark's book and have done the liver cleanse a couple of times. It works extremely well. Dhyana According to Hulda Clark, gallstones are parasitic cysts. Go read her book, The Cure for All Diseases, and give her remedies a try before you have body parts removed by barbarians. Sam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSalittle gray
Marsha Hallett wrote: If hubby says it is OK, believe him! This indeed, is the eleventh commandment!!! Jeff -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSHumor,Things I've Learned
RX humor, Things I've Learned... I've learned that I like my teacher because she cries when we sing Silent Night Age 6 I've learned that our dog doesn't want to eat my broccoli either. Age 7 I've learned that when I wave to people in the country, they stop what they are doing and wave back. Age 9 I've learned that just when I get my room the way I like it, Mom makes me clean it up again. Age 12 I've learned that if you want to cheer yourself up, you should try cheering someone else up. Age 14 I've learned that although it's hard to admit it, I'm secretly glad my parents are strict with me. Age 15 I've learned that silent company is often more healing than words of advice. Age 24 I've learned that brushing my child's hair is one of life's great pleasures. Age 26 I've learned that life is too short to be unhappy. Age 28 I've learned that wherever I go, the world's worst drivers have followed me there. Age 29 I've learned that if someone says something unkind about me, I must live so that no one will believe it. Age 39 I've learned that there are people who love you dearly but just don't know how to show it. Age 42 I've learned that you can make some one's day by simply sending them a little note. Age 44 I've learned that the greater a person's sense of guilt, the greater his or her need to cast blame on others. Age 46 I've learned that children and grandparents are natural allies. Age 47 I've learned that no matter what happens, or how bad it seems today, life does go on, and it will be better tomorrow. Age 48 'I've learned that singing Amazing Grace can lift my spirits for hours. Age 49 I've learned that motel mattresses are better on the side away from the phone. Age 50 I've learned that you can tell a lot about a man by the way he handles these three things: a rainy day, lost luggage, and tangled Christmas tree lights. Age 52 I've learned that keeping a vegetable garden is worth a medicine cabinet full of pills. Age 52 I've learned that regardless of your relationship with your parents, you miss them terribly after they die. Age 53 I've learned that making a living is not the same thing as making a life. Age 58 I've learned that if you want to do something positive for your children, work to improve your marriage. Age 61 I've learned that life sometimes gives you a second chance. Age 62 I've learned that you shouldn't go through life with a catchers mitt on both hands. You need to be able to throw something back. Age 64 I've learned that if you pursue happiness, it will elude you. But if you focus on your family, the needs of others, your work, meeting new people, and doing the very best you can, happiness will find you. Age 65 I've learned that whenever I decide something with kindness, I usually make the right decision. Age 66 I've learned that when I have a tough decision to make, all I have to do is remember what my Mom always said do your best and the reward will justify Age 67 I've learned that everyone can use a prayer. Age 72 I've learned that it pays to believe in miracles. And to tell the truth, I've seen several. Age 75 I've learned that even when I have pains, I don't have to be one. Age 82 I've learned that every day you should reach out and touch someone. People love that human touch - holding hands, a warm hug, or just a friendly pat on the back. Age 85 I've learned that I still have a lot to learn. Age 92 Bless you Bob Lee --- oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast l...@fbtc.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSalittle gray
Hello John, Good to hear from you, especially when there is a need. I had been planning to dig up your references and post them when I got a breather from dealing with other problems. I hope someone will quickly calculate the maximum consumption possible for the distressed lady, and set her mind at ease. I have widely recommended your book. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: John Hill [SMTP:p...@clspress.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 1999 7:29 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CSalittle gray The minimum cumulative amount of silver consumed and known to produce argyria is estimated to be approximately 900 mg. over a period of one year. Some references state that as much as 6 to 10 grams are required. It probably varies a lot from one individual to another. It is important to estimate the total amount of silver consumed in milligrams. It probably doesn't matter much whether it was colloidal or ionic, just the total amount that the body absorbed. A toxicology summary for silver can be found at http://www.clspress.com/tox.html Regards, John Hill At 07:59 PM 12/1/1999 -0500, you wrote: Seems Donna is talking about her face, while James is talking about CS. Donna, if your skin is grey, you've consumed some huge quantities (and I mean many, many grams) of extremely large-particle silver which was NOT made electrolytically. What, exactly, have you consumed; how much; how long? Sam In a message dated 11/30/1999 7:41:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, a...@trail.com writes: The grey is probably Silver Chloride and is in those quantities, for sure, not harmful, physiologically or cosmetically. I drank grey LV silver for years. Relax. The cosmetic effect is usually blue, turning to black with exposure to sunlight, with similar chemistry as a photo negative. There could be other crap in the water though. If it is tap water it has a high possibility of being toxic in itself, or could react with the silver. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com James, Relax you say, that is a good one. So now it is a chance of getting even darker, that is what you are telling me. In some lights it looks silver and at night it looks dark gray. I am at the point where I would try to bleach my face if I knew that it helped. Any suggestions? Donna Earnest -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSis this working?
On Wed, 01 Dec 1999 13:17:44 -0700, Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com wrote: Is this working - all my mail to the list is getting returned. Katarina No it's not! Get rid of the Mac!!! Chuck Being in politics is like being a football coach-- you have to be smart enough to understand the game and stupid enough to think it's important -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSalittle gray
In a message dated 12/02/1999 3:09:21 AM Pacific Standard Time, i...@win.co.nz writes: I trust that the skin discolouration is the result of some readily reversed condition. Several months back, I noticed that my skin looked gray and my fingernails were bluish. I had not heard of CS at the time, so that was not a factor. I was getting very upset, thinking that perhaps I had suddenly gotten some condition that wasn't letting my blood have enough oxygen. I went to look in the mirror, but my face looked OK. Then I looked more closely at my hands, which is where I had first noticed it. I scratched at one of the fingernails and discovered the color came off. When I washed my hands thoroughly (about 20 times) finally all the color returned to normal. I was very puzzled until I remembered I had been canning peaches and tomatoes and perhaps the color came from a natural dye in them. I doubt that this is the problem here, but it would be an idea to get checked by a doctor to see if maybe it is her heart or lung function or something else. Nellie Christ, my all -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: OT Diane/miscarriage
it's still hard to say goodbye. Yup. Diane I know, too...lost my second one at 3 months. It hurt both ways. Fortunately my four others are now healthy adults. Marsha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSParticle size
Mark Metcalf of Silver Solutions says that its impossible to change the particle size. That the laws of electrochemistry prove that the particle size remains constant regardless of the voltage, temp of the water, etc. I would like to get this issue settled once and for all. Can anybody point me to any references which will prove or disprove this? Thanks, Jeff -Original Message- From: Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 12:44 PM Subject: CSRe: Bil, boiling water. Hi Bil, so , I have two questions. Doesn't heating the water increase particle size? As the particles bump into each other and agglomerate and make cs faster but bigger particles? And how do you boil water in a glass jar without it breaking? What kind of jar? I looked for glass kettles in the store but didn't find anything. Thanks, katarina I have been making CS for some time. I started out with a 16 oz. jar and was told to use boiling hot distilled water and no salt to have the smallest particle size. Now I use a gallon jar. The distilled water I buy here in California always tests below 2 ppm. I boil the water in a very clean glass pot. If I use cold water the CS process takes forever. Also no matter how much I limit the current (as low as 2 mA) the cathode always gets very thick with sludge. This is my setup: One gallon glass jar (clean) Plastic lid 99.99% silver, 1 x 3.5 (wetted) Food grade stainless steel, 1 x 8 (wetted) Stainless steel bolts and nuts (on lid) Electrodes spaced 1/2 apart 30 volts DC Some of you guys are using 120 volts AC rectified and filtered to produce ~170 volts DC. How much current are you running? What is the advantage? Is it possible to make 5 or 10 ppm CS by the gallon without the sludge using low voltage? Thank you very much for your replies. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSalittle gray
I can't help but chuckle. So now if you get gray skin from too much silver your going to get developed if you go out in the sun...just great! Jeff -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes a...@trail.com To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 8:27 PM Subject: RE: CSalittle gray The grey is probably Silver Chloride and is in those quantities, for sure, not harmful, physiologically or cosmetically. I drank grey LV silver for years. Relax. The cosmetic effect is usually blue, turning to black with exposure to sunlight, with similar chemistry as a photo negative. There could be other crap in the water though. If it is tap water it has a high possibility of being toxic in itself, or could react with the silver. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: donna2...@aol.com [SMTP:donna2...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 3:55 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSalittle gray Hey everyone, Well I don't know but the past couple of weeks I have had people tell me that my skin is not looking right. Some have said it may even be alittle gray. Scares the hell out of me now. I keep looking in the mirror, there are some spots that are darker than normal. My anxiety levels right now are higher than usual. I have stopped taking any CS in hopes that this will fade and it is not what I am dreading. Don't know what I will do without my CS. For now I am just keeping my fingers crossed in hoping for some fading. Just wanted to let you know. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: OT Diane/miscarriage
In a message dated 12/2/99 5:54:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, liah...@pacbell.net writes: Fortunately my four others are now healthy adults. Yesthat is what I am choosing to keep my focus on. I have healthy children and this was a fluke in my life. Even at that, it could have been worse. It happened very early on and for that I am very grateful. Try, try again =-) D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: OT miscarriage-kidney stones
In a message dated 12/2/99 6:12:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, m...@clarkandclark.com writes: After the last miscarriage, we were told she would be in harm's way if she were to get pregnant again. Well, our daughter is two years old, my wife and daughter are both well, and CS is used as a daily health maintenance plan for the whole family. Sorry, but just had to share. :) Ha!! Don't be sorry, that's great news! It's also more proof that we cannot always listen to the medicos. They were going to stop me from having kids when I was barely 20 years old. (long story) Good thing they did not have their way. I was devastated as I wanted a large family since I was 9 years old. It was my dream. I now have 6. What do they know? Sometimes nothing. ..anyway I wish I had known about cs many years ago...but...at least I do know now! Just since this last July, I had a lithotripsy done to blast a kidney stone. There are pros/cons to the procedure, but I chose it and had success. The stone was totally shattered and passed. I did have a few other tiny fragments (relatively speaking) pass, too. When I saw some blood in the urine, my Dr tested it and said that he saw white blood cells and three times.since July, wanted to put me on abx. I said NO and told him I'd take the cs and also some herbs. I did, passed a few more stones and then I cleared up on my own. WBC's can be from inflammation, not only infection. I had no infection. I swear the cs stopped it. I can't prove it, though. Sure enough, when he actually had the urine cultured, it was free of infection. YetI could have been on abx that I did not need. Uh uh. Not me. Been there, done that. Diane -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSremove
remove from list, have learned a lot will be back later, thanks -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: magnet therapy - HOLD ON
Okay Gang: in case this has never been discussed here - if you have reverse polarity (about 5% of the population does) using magnet therapy will increase your pain level !! - I found out the hard way. I ended up in a hospital bleeding internally in 1998 from magnet therapy. as we have said here many times - what works for one - may not for other people. jeannine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: OT Diane/miscarriage
In a message dated 12/02/1999 9:29:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, kato...@mindspring.com writes: I think our society often underestimates what a loss it is to lose a baby, no matter how young, so people seldom get enough support to mourn a miscarriage. Yes, it is a great loss. Many people do not realize that it is something that can haunt a person for years. I am so sorry to hear that you (Diane, I mean) had a miscarriage. Some people think I have a lot of children -- 6, most of whom are grown now. What they do not realize is that I have lost about 10 children to miscarriage. I feel blessed with the ones I did have and cherish them greatly. Nellie Christ, my all -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSParticle size
To all interested list members. I have been reluctant to enter this discussion, but since we have some actual, objective data on this issue, I will break my covenant of silence. I do this knowing that many on the list do not possess the discretionary funds required to have multiple electron microscope runs performed (@ $120.00 each). In 1997 we had a number of specimens examined under electron microscopy, at an independent laboratory. Among these were 27 vdc (using batteries), 36 vdc (regulated ), 28 vdc (regulated power supply), 18 vdc (reg. pwr supply), 12 vdc (reg.pwr. supply), 10,000 vac, 1000 vac; generated using COLD (35 DEGREES F..), ROOM TEMP (80 DEGREES F.), and HOT (180 DEGREES F.). ALL RESULTS were so similar, that NO visible differention was possible.using the unaided human eye. since the magnification was in excess of 100K, most of the discussion is---at least to us---moot. I do not mean to be confrontational/adversarial in this matter. These are just our findings. Others may have data which contravenes ours. If so, I would be most appreciative of receiving their commentary. Sincerely. Brooks. Jeff Gilman wrote: Mark Metcalf of Silver Solutions says that its impossible to change the particle size. That the laws of electrochemistry prove that the particle size remains constant regardless of the voltage, temp of the water, etc. I would like to get this issue settled once and for all. Can anybody point me to any references which will prove or disprove this? Thanks, Jeff -Original Message- From: Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 12:44 PM Subject: CSRe: Bil, boiling water. Hi Bil, so , I have two questions. Doesn't heating the water increase particle size? As the particles bump into each other and agglomerate and make cs faster but bigger particles? And how do you boil water in a glass jar without it breaking? What kind of jar? I looked for glass kettles in the store but didn't find anything. Thanks, katarina I have been making CS for some time. I started out with a 16 oz. jar and was told to use boiling hot distilled water and no salt to have the smallest particle size. Now I use a gallon jar. The distilled water I buy here in California always tests below 2 ppm. I boil the water in a very clean glass pot. If I use cold water the CS process takes forever. Also no matter how much I limit the current (as low as 2 mA) the cathode always gets very thick with sludge. This is my setup: One gallon glass jar (clean) Plastic lid 99.99% silver, 1 x 3.5 (wetted) Food grade stainless steel, 1 x 8 (wetted) Stainless steel bolts and nuts (on lid) Electrodes spaced 1/2 apart 30 volts DC Some of you guys are using 120 volts AC rectified and filtered to produce ~170 volts DC. How much current are you running? What is the advantage? Is it possible to make 5 or 10 ppm CS by the gallon without the sludge using low voltage? Thank you very much for your replies. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
RE: CSRe: James/gallstones/Carmen
Hi Katrina, I am fairly confidant of the way it works. A very brilliant man who is trained in both western alleopathy and homeopathy as well told me about that one. He told me to eat nothing but drink apple juice for about 4 days, and then drink about 4 oz of olive oil. Bile is important in digesting fats. When fat shows up in the bloodstream, the gall bladder contracts, in proportion to the amount of fat present. 4 oz of olive oil into an empty system is a lot of fat. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Katarina Wittich [SMTP:kato...@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 1999 9:18 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CSRe: James/gallstones/Carmen Hi James, I don't know why my friends doctor thought the flush was necessary in addition to the apple juice. And I'm not certain that dissolving the stones was the point of the apple juice. It was just a guess -- which is why I think it is important that Carmen do it under supervision of someone who would know the best way not to end up with a stuck stone. Take care, Katarina That protocol is designed to build up a large store of bile in the bladder, by not eating fats, which trigger bile secretion into the small intestine. When the olive oil hits the fasting system system the gall bladder contracts powerfully, and forces the stones out. And yes, one can get a stuck stone. If the Apple juice reduced the stones, then why not just take it until they gone? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CS***?Parkinson's
Can anyone share any ideas for treating Parkinson's? Thanks much, Deb -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSParticle size
Brooks, Am I correct in interpreting this as saying that the various CS generating methods that you list, produced similar sized particles? Would this then mean that current limiting is really unnecessary? Obviously, the higher voltages will produce higher initial currents and quicker runs if the current is not limited. Would this produce the same size particle as carefully controlled current? Another question that you might shine some light on: My HVAC (20kv) CS is clear and stays clear. It also seems more potent. My LVDC CS is golden and darkens with time. I keep hearing that color indicates larger particles. I have a hard time with this explination. I see very fine particles as I observe the light beam, and an occasional larger sparkle. Whatever creates the color must be smaller than the particles I see in my light beam. And the fact that this color darkens in time, leads me to believe it is something other than silver particles. Maybe some type of oxidation. I'll admit, when it comes to chemestry, I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed. I'd appreciate your thoughts. Jeff BROOKS BRADLEY wrote: To all interested list members. I have been reluctant to enter this discussion, but since we have some actual, objective data on this issue, I will break my covenant of silence. I do this knowing that many on the list do not possess the discretionary funds required to have multiple electron microscope runs performed (@ $120.00 each). In 1997 we had a number of specimens examined under electron microscopy, at an independent laboratory. Among these were 27 vdc (using batteries), 36 vdc (regulated ), 28 vdc (regulated power supply), 18 vdc (reg. pwr supply), 12 vdc (reg.pwr. supply), 10,000 vac, 1000 vac; generated using COLD (35 DEGREES F..), ROOM TEMP (80 DEGREES F.), and HOT (180 DEGREES F.). ALL RESULTS were so similar, that NO visible differention was possible.using the unaided human eye. since the magnification was in excess of 100K, most of the discussion is---at least to us---moot. I do not mean to be confrontational/adversarial in this matter. These are just our findings. Others may have data which contravenes ours. If so, I would be most appreciative of receiving their commentary. Sincerely. Brooks. Jeff Gilman wrote: Mark Metcalf of Silver Solutions says that its impossible to change the particle size. That the laws of electrochemistry prove that the particle size remains constant regardless of the voltage, temp of the water, etc. I would like to get this issue settled once and for all. Can anybody point me to any references which will prove or disprove this? Thanks, Jeff -Original Message- From: Katarina Wittich kato...@mindspring.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, November 30, 1999 12:44 PM Subject: CSRe: Bil, boiling water. Hi Bil, so , I have two questions. Doesn't heating the water increase particle size? As the particles bump into each other and agglomerate and make cs faster but bigger particles? And how do you boil water in a glass jar without it breaking? What kind of jar? I looked for glass kettles in the store but didn't find anything. Thanks, katarina I have been making CS for some time. I started out with a 16 oz. jar and was told to use boiling hot distilled water and no salt to have the smallest particle size. Now I use a gallon jar. The distilled water I buy here in California always tests below 2 ppm. I boil the water in a very clean glass pot. If I use cold water the CS process takes forever. Also no matter how much I limit the current (as low as 2 mA) the cathode always gets very thick with sludge. This is my setup: One gallon glass jar (clean) Plastic lid 99.99% silver, 1 x 3.5 (wetted) Food grade stainless steel, 1 x 8 (wetted) Stainless steel bolts and nuts (on lid) Electrodes spaced 1/2 apart 30 volts DC Some of you guys are using 120 volts AC rectified and filtered to produce ~170 volts DC. How much current are you running? What is the advantage? Is it possible to make 5 or 10 ppm CS by the gallon without the sludge using low voltage? Thank you very much for your replies. Bil -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: magnet therapy - HOLD ON
Hey Jeannine, I am sad to hear that you had a painful experience with anything, let alone something seemingly benign as magnets. It would be most helpful to hear more specifics about your experiences: North, South, magnetic water, magnet suppositories, what? David deat...@aol.com wrote: Okay Gang: in case this has never been discussed here - if you have reverse polarity (about 5% of the population does) using magnet therapy will increase your pain level !! - I found out the hard way.? I ended up in a hospital bleeding internally in 1998 from magnet therapy. as we have said here many times - what works for one - may not for other people. jeannine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com? -or-? silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- E-mail to:?? broompi...@juno.com (no attachments) Otherwise: broompi...@netzero.net Fax to:? 1-253-681-1133 ? __ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html
