Re: CS & Upper Respiratory Infection???
In a message dated 4/8/00 9:23:37 PM Central Daylight Time, n8...@juno.com writes: << Has anyone had an upper respiratory infection due to pneumonia? And used CS to get rid of the infection? If so, could you tell me how long it took to rid yourself of the infection? How much silver were you consuming daily in order to clear it up? >> I use CS for lung infections as I have a very serious lung disease. The only way I get relief and fast is through the use of it in a nebulizer. I believe you need direct contact with the infectious agent for it to really work well. I have had times when I was closing up so fast that I did not think I could avoid the hospital only to have relief in a couple of hours. I have always followed up with the correct antibiotic also but they take a day or so to really get to work. Gene Downey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS><hydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [aquicky]
Kathy: If you put the hydrogen peroxide up your nose just as it is from the bottle (drug store type)...then it is too strong for your nasal passages and tissues.For years we traveled in the mid-east and in remote areasI used a ratio of 1 hydrogen peroxide to 4 water.. this makes it where it does not damage your nasal tissues and is more comfortable...it helped prevent colds that we often got living in remote areas so far from a doctor Kathy Neff - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 1:24 PM Subject: CS>> In a message dated 4*8*00 3:00:04 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: > > << Subject: CS>hydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky] > > > > > >> ## An odd little experiment. >> > > Hello all, > I did a little experiment with hydrogen peroxide too recently...of a > completely different nature. > I breathed it up my nose. > I had been reading about it and became convinced that the 3% kind would > not be too strong to try this with. > What happened was that it totally cleared my nose out upon the first try. > I ran into my daughters room and said "I can hear better!" (I have tinnitus > and it is effecting my hearing). > W E L L ...I should have left well enough alone. I did it again two more > times!!! My nose wouldn't stop running and bleeding too. And I got sick too, > for 2 days. Does anyone have a guess about this? Did I open up some crap in > my nasal cavity and it perhaps was loosened by the hydrogen peroxide? > H...I keep wondering about this. > Comments appreciated! > Love, Kathy > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
CS>OT-distilled water makers
I never used one but some on the list have suggested the Sears unit as a good choice. We test water free and find a wider variation in home distilled water then in the store bought (0.2 to 18PPM). Most stills claim 99% reduction so my water, at 400PPM, would give 4PPM but near the end, a few drops of the residue (now 4,000PPM) can mess it up real fast! Thus, I suggest you do a double distillation with any old still. We always recommend and use deionized water and have never had worse then 1PPM - at 59 cents I do not want to play with my own still! f...@health2us.com Tami said: I'm so tired of trying to find good steam distilled water to make my silver. The stuff in stores seems inconsistent. So I want to make my own for drinking/silver making. Can anyone recommend one? I have no clue where to start. Having good water really does make a difference in the silver and I want to know I'm using good quality water every time. Thanks- Tami M -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS & Upper Respiratory Infection???
Has anyone had an upper respiratory infection due to pneumonia? And used CS to get rid of the infection? If so, could you tell me how long it took to rid yourself of the infection? How much silver were you consuming daily in order to clear it up? Thanks for your responses... Maurice YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Argyria
Ha, Ha, Gonna change your name to Giggle (You gotta right to sing the blues..) Chuck Never volunteer--they'll send you to earth On Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:38:14 -0700, "Steve geigle" wrote: >Marshall, I just read your great article that Dr. Horowitz has for FTP >download at www.tetrahedron.org, but Ya know, I just don't know what the big >deal is about argyria. I've been taking ag+ for two years, and I look fine! > > > >Cheers, > >Steven Geigle >Cedar Mill, Oregon, USA >sgei...@home.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #290
In fact, Steve, you look better than the last time I saw you !! :o) Nice picture. An Irish blessing: Get on your knees and thank the Lord you're on your feet. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>RE: Uggh. Grunt. Me HVAC Brute have questions [sound of knuckles dragging floor, followed by sound of electrons smashing helpless silver in the face centered crystial]
James,
In view of the observations I've noted it must be apparent that I don't
readily accept HVAC as an acceptable method of creating colloidal silver. I
was describing the size of DC created colloidal Ps, not AC. In some earlier
post, I beleieve, I mentioned the size of the AC Ps. Don't recall ever
seeing any sub-nm size. BTW you're correct, Angstrom is 1/10th of a nm.
We have no means of measuring the charge but I'm sure it can be established
mathematically.
We'll post the pic at natural-immunogenics.com later this week. I'll advise
when.
Concentration analysis (mg/l) is by Atomic Absorbtion Spectrophotometer; we
have a PE 2380.
I think the interraction you commented back on is the result of a natural
accomodation of like Ps. They resist each other but there is some elsticity
in the relationship, crowded they begin to accommodate each others' shapes.
anyway, gotta go. am expctd for dins.
Stephen
- Original Message -
From: James Osbourne, Holmes
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 6:12 PM
Subject: RE: CS>RE: Uggh. Grunt. Me HVAC Brute have questions [sound of
knuckles dragging floor, followed by sound of electrons smashing helpless
silver in the face centered crystial]
> Hi Stephen,
>
> Thanks for the additional information.
>
> What is the URL at which the pix will appear?
>
> You have a TEM? If so, are you considering doing pictures for others?
>
> How are you measuring the charge on the particles?
>
> How are you measuring total mg/L Ag?
>
> Additional exchanges are included in your reply...
>
> Thanks again,
>
> James Osbourne Holmes
> a...@trail.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stephen Quinto [SMTP:squi...@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 3:01 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>RE: Uggh. Grunt. Me HVAC Brute have questions [sound of
> knuckles dragging floor, followed by sound of electrons smashing helpless
> silver in the face centered crystial]
>
> First of all, James (and take note Marshall),
> I don't believe that 'stuff' about putting "a strong charge on the ion as
> it leaves the anode". The ion will have the maximum charge it will absorb
> in the act of being separated from the electrode whether it is separated
by
> high or low voltage. In fact it is current that does so. Excessive
> current seems to mechanically leverage the separation of particles, over
> and above the electro-chemical act involved.
> And the velocity of charged particles in [pure] water is logically
constant
> given the argument above. Just as it would be altered [upward] by an
> electrolytic solution (other than by the conductivity of charged ions
> increasingly present in the sol.
> And further, the presence of excess Oxygen and Hydrogen - result of the
> electro-chemical process - makes for the opportunistic formation of oxides
> and hydroxides, however fleeting, all of which are insoluble and
> undesirable.
> I've taken respectful note of the micro-amperages employed in some of the
> postings here - quantifications that are the result of intelligent
> experimentation and the success that results. Such efforts undoubtedly
> increase quality exponentially.
> As for aggregation, that phenomenon can only take place in the presence of
> neutral {or elemental) silver. Mind you such particles are still a
> colloid; thy just lack the magic that fascinates and tantalizes everyone
> here.
> It is true that there is not much oxidation or 'sludge' as Marshall puts
> it, but there are large amounts of clumpy material and large
> irregular-shaped particles.
> Now to answer your questions point by point:
> 1. By TEM, and, yes, I will put the images up on our web site when they're
> developed. As for the source of the material it would be unethical of me
> to name it and I won't.
> But it was sold as 10-12 ppm (and tested within that parameter) -- BTW
our
> production tolerances are 1.5
> JOH: That is exceptionally fine process control.
> 2. I didn't take complete notes since I made two exposures (photographs).
> So I cannot quantify here but will be able to do so once the micrographs
> are developed (during the coming week).
> 3. See 2. above and... It appears that the particle size of a
> near-perfect colloid probably ranges, in some presently unknown mathemat
> ical formula I hypothesized about last night, from a very small complex of
> ?atoms (size of which is 3 or 4 Angstroms) to a larger one (say 30 or 40
> Angstroms). They are NOT dissolved or vaporized-as is a solution or gas,
> in no way the colloid we have been discussing here.
> JOH: Is this the HVAC material? Am I correct in translating 30
Angstroms
> into 3 point zero [3.0] nM? If so, that is some of the smallest HVAC Ag
> sol I have heard of. It is frequently in the 0.5 to 10 nM range.
>
>
> 4. There appears to be a subtly regular for to these clusters of similarly
> charged ions, and in concentrated visualizations of them they appear to
> accomodate the shapes of those
Re: CS><hydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [aquicky]
Hi Kathy, I do that too...once you get past the stinging, which travels through the whole sinus :-(, the sinus is left amazingly clear as you note :-) Certainly sounds like you over did it a bit, but it also sounds as if you have uncovered a deep-seated infection. Whether the illness relates to an immune response an infection clean up or invading H2O2 damage to the nasal tissue I couldn't say, but I have read where, after H2O2 therapy, tumours detached from a fellows throat and bled so much that the wound needed cauterising. I'm not saying you had a tumour!!! Just that it is possible to react with pathogenic masses with resultant bleeding. However I do urge you to be careful, I would hate to think that you are damaging your nasal tissue! Kind regards Ivan. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, 9 April 2000 06:24 Subject: CS>> In a message dated 4*8*00 3:00:04 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: > > << Subject: CS>hydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky] > > > > > >> ## An odd little experiment. >> > > Hello all, > I did a little experiment with hydrogen peroxide too recently...of a > completely different nature. > I breathed it up my nose. > I had been reading about it and became convinced that the 3% kind would > not be too strong to try this with. > What happened was that it totally cleared my nose out upon the first try. > I ran into my daughters room and said "I can hear better!" (I have tinnitus > and it is effecting my hearing). > W E L L ...I should have left well enough alone. I did it again two more > times!!! My nose wouldn't stop running and bleeding too. And I got sick too, > for 2 days. Does anyone have a guess about this? Did I open up some crap in > my nasal cavity and it perhaps was loosened by the hydrogen peroxide? > H...I keep wondering about this. > Comments appreciated! > Love, Kathy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>hydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky]
Hi KD'C, What strength H2O2 are you using, I would guess 3% as you put some in your mouth without burning it! I have posted experiments (along with others) in the past, using 50% H2O2. If you care to check the archives, you may find the answers to most of your questions there. H2O2 does react with pure metallic silver, in fact passing high concentration H2O2 through a silver mesh is a method used in DIY rocket engines! A small length (10mm) of new silver wire was left in 100mls of 50% H2O2 for a few days. A small stream of bubbles emanated from the silver and the concentration of silver ions in the solution increased from zero to well above 20ppm, as measured by Ion Selective Electrode (ISE). There was no silver oxide. A nasty brew of dirty grey (inclusion of large uncharged metallic colloids, emanating from the cathode) CS was created, there was much fallout on the bottom of the container. Some of this colloid was taken, to which a few ml of 50% H2O2 was added. A great cloud of minute bubbles formed immediately, which were so small that the solution looked milky, and the Tyndal beam showed a shower of sparklies. Within a few hours the solution was completely clear, showing very little Tyndal effect. The concentration of silver ions increased as the solution cleared. I concluded that the H2O2 oxidised the metallic silver particles as it reduced to O2 gas and water, forming free silver ions and not silver oxide. You talk of the 'oxide load', what do you mean? Is this the build up on the neg. cathode or pos. anode, fall out on the bottom of the container or floaters on the solution surface, or colour in the solution? Regards Ivan. - Original Message - From: "coyote" To: Sent: Sunday, 9 April 2000 00:46 Subject: Re: CS>hydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky] > ### Interestingly, it seems that the hydrogen peroxide does not react > with clean silver but only attacks the oxides wedged in the pits of an old > used electrode. Why? I have no clue. I will now take a piece of new silver > and place it in h2o2 for several days and see what happens. > > Another oddity: [current controlled to .8ma, starting voltage at 24.5v > winding down to 6v in approx 2 hrs] The oxides seem to form more vigerously > at the beginning of the process and in cool water. If the prods and > container are cleaned about half way through, the oxide load seems greatly > reduced. > If fresh ozonated water is used with cool water, oxide load is great. > If the water is warmed to about 100 deg F, bubbles form [dissolved ozygen?] > and dissipate [bubbles off] and the subsequent process shows a greatly > reduced oxide load. But, running with warm water increases hydrogen bubbles > sticking to the other prod [Perhaps something to do with increased vapor > pressure forming bigger more stable bubbles and surface tension of the > water.] and silver gets trapped on or under the surface of the hydrogen > bubbles making a gray fur that clings to one prod. When the prods are > removed, the bubbles break at the surface and some of this silver transfers > from the surface tension of the hydrogen bubbles to the surface tension of > the water and makes what I call a " gray floater". > > Back to h2o2 and new silver... so far, no reaction whatsoever. > > BTW, running the generator on straight h202 made a sour nasty tasting > somewhat milky liquid that foamed in the mouth. > Momentarily, a rabid looking coyote with a sour expression. I guess > even with all that violent bubbling at the electrodes going on, the o2 > content of the h202 was pretty much unchanged. > > > Getting small bubbles coming off the new silver now [20 minutes or so]and > some signs of gray/black tarnish and initial signs of slight pitting. > Looks like h2o2 reacts somewhat violently with silver resulting in oxides > being blasted out of the pits? The rougher [more pitted]the silver, the > more surface area available, the more violent the reaction? > KD'C > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>RE: Uggh. Grunt. Me HVAC Brute have questions [sound of knuckles dragging floor, followed by sound of electrons smashing helpless silver in the face centered crystial]
Hi Stephen,
Thanks for the additional information.
What is the URL at which the pix will appear?
You have a TEM? If so, are you considering doing pictures for others?
How are you measuring the charge on the particles?
How are you measuring total mg/L Ag?
Additional exchanges are included in your reply...
Thanks again,
James Osbourne Holmes
a...@trail.com
-Original Message-
From: Stephen Quinto [SMTP:squi...@mindspring.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 3:01 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: CS>RE: Uggh. Grunt. Me HVAC Brute have questions [sound
of
knuckles dragging floor, followed by sound of electrons smashing helpless
silver in the face centered crystial]
First of all, James (and take note Marshall),
I don't believe that 'stuff' about putting "a strong charge on the ion as
it leaves the anode". The ion will have the maximum charge it will absorb
in the act of being separated from the electrode whether it is separated by
high or low voltage. In fact it is current that does so. Excessive
current seems to mechanically leverage the separation of particles, over
and above the electro-chemical act involved.
And the velocity of charged particles in [pure] water is logically constant
given the argument above. Just as it would be altered [upward] by an
electrolytic solution (other than by the conductivity of charged ions
increasingly present in the sol.
And further, the presence of excess Oxygen and Hydrogen - result of the
electro-chemical process - makes for the opportunistic formation of oxides
and hydroxides, however fleeting, all of which are insoluble and
undesirable.
I've taken respectful note of the micro-amperages employed in some of the
postings here - quantifications that are the result of intelligent
experimentation and the success that results. Such efforts undoubtedly
increase quality exponentially.
As for aggregation, that phenomenon can only take place in the presence of
neutral {or elemental) silver. Mind you such particles are still a
colloid; thy just lack the magic that fascinates and tantalizes everyone
here.
It is true that there is not much oxidation or 'sludge' as Marshall puts
it, but there are large amounts of clumpy material and large
irregular-shaped particles.
Now to answer your questions point by point:
1. By TEM, and, yes, I will put the images up on our web site when they're
developed. As for the source of the material it would be unethical of me
to name it and I won't.
But it was sold as 10-12 ppm (and tested within that parameter) -- BTW our
production tolerances are 1.5
JOH: That is exceptionally fine process control.
2. I didn't take complete notes since I made two exposures (photographs).
So I cannot quantify here but will be able to do so once the micrographs
are developed (during the coming week).
3. See 2. above and... It appears that the particle size of a
near-perfect colloid probably ranges, in some presently unknown mathemat
ical formula I hypothesized about last night, from a very small complex of
?atoms (size of which is 3 or 4 Angstroms) to a larger one (say 30 or 40
Angstroms). They are NOT dissolved or vaporized-as is a solution or gas,
in no way the colloid we have been discussing here.
JOH: Is this the HVAC material? Am I correct in translating 30 Angstroms
into 3 point zero [3.0] nM? If so, that is some of the smallest HVAC Ag
sol I have heard of. It is frequently in the 0.5 to 10 nM range.
4. There appears to be a subtly regular for to these clusters of similarly
charged ions, and in concentrated visualizations of them they appear to
accomodate the shapes of those that are closest to them (the poetry I spoke
of, where all are connected even by the shape of space between them
[Seattle?]) When most dispersed they appear almost round.
JOH: This would indicate that the shape changes in relation to forces
interacting with adjacent particles.
The distorted shapes are like amoebas reproducing or mutants, unnaturally
distended and polyform, ie. lacking symmetry.
5. Our biological work is the result of an only recently installed
capability. In the first set of experiments, we undertook certain
inhibition experiments, comparing a number of products. We will decide
when an where we will try to publish the results. It has been an exciting
new dimension for us. And edifying!
Stephen
- Original Message -
From: James Osbourne, Holmes
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 3:04 PM
Subject:CS>RE: Uggh. Grunt. Me HVAC Brute have questions [sound of
knuckles
dragging floor, followed by sound of electrons smashing helpless silver
in
the face centered crystial]
> Hi Stephen, et at,
>
> Steven wrote:
>
> "Have looked at HVAC colloid and, yes, it does have alot of particulate
> silver that is dispersed. But it also has significant agglomeration and
> some of the agglomerates are crystalline in form. Aswell
CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #281
If you want to read for an hour about actual Cs successes and well documented Cs data with references go to: http://www.health2us.com - naturally all FREE! f...@health2us.com ... At 01:18 PM 4/7/2000, you wrote: Great idea, Roger. Say, why can't members of the silver list somehow produce a document explaining the benefits of CS and make it available at no cost (now there's a radical idea) to all members and others as they wish. Dumb idea or what? ;-) Cheers, Steven Geigle -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #279
Ted, You are a many months behind on the FDA rulings! No OTC drug may contain silver without FDA approval. I.E. Cs can only be sold and advertised as a supplement! Anyone doing otherwise is in violation and thus subject to their Gestapo style search and seizure! You are some tough guy to think you can fight the FDA in court - got enough millions to hang in there? f...@health2us.com --- At 10:56 AM 4/7/2000, you wrote: My understanding is that anything used pre- 1935, the FDA cannot rule against it, this does not mean that they won't try to use scare tactics and intimidation, I would not be afraid to go to court at any time to defend my rights against any government. Blessings Ted -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Argyria
Marshall, I just read your great article that Dr. Horowitz has for FTP download at www.tetrahedron.org, but Ya know, I just don't know what the big deal is about argyria. I've been taking ag+ for two years, and I look fine! Cheers, Steven Geigle Cedar Mill, Oregon, USA sgei...@home.com <><>
Re: CS>RE: Uggh. Grunt. Me HVAC Brute have questions [sound of knuckles dragging floor, followed by sound of electrons smashing helpless silver in the face centered crystial]
First of all, James (and take note Marshall),
I don't believe that 'stuff' about putting "a strong charge on the ion as it
leaves the anode". The ion will have the maximum charge it will absorb in
the act of being separated from the electrode whether it is separated by
high or low voltage. In fact it is current that does so. Excessive current
seems to mechanically leverage the separation of particles, over and above
the electro-chemical act involved.
And the velocity of charged particles in [pure] water is logically constant
given the argument above. Just as it would be altered [upward] by an
electrolytic solution (other than by the conductivity of charged ions
increasingly present in the sol.
And further, the presence of excess Oxygen and Hydrogen - result of the
electro-chemical process - makes for the opportunistic formation of oxides
and hydroxides, however fleeting, all of which are insoluble and
undesirable.
I've taken respectful note of the micro-amperages employed in some of the
postings here - quantifications that are the result of intelligent
experimentation and the success that results. Such efforts undoubtedly
increase quality exponentially.
As for aggregation, that phenomenon can only take place in the presence of
neutral {or elemental) silver. Mind you such particles are still a colloid;
thy just lack the magic that fascinates and tantalizes everyone here.
It is true that there is not much oxidation or 'sludge' as Marshall puts it,
but there are large amounts of clumpy material and large irregular-shaped
particles.
Now to answer your questions point by point:
1. By TEM, and, yes, I will put the images up on our web site when they're
developed. As for the source of the material it would be unethical of me to
name it and I won't.
But it was sold as 10-12 ppm (and tested within that parameter) -- BTW our
production tolerances are 1.5%
2. I didn't take complete notes since I made two exposures (photographs).
So I cannot quantify here but will be able to do so once the micrographs are
developed (during the coming week).
3. See 2. above and... It appears that the particle size of a
near-perfect colloid probably ranges, in some presently unknown mathematical
formula I hypothesized about last night, from a very small complex of ?atoms
(size of which is 3 or 4 Angstroms) to a larger one (say 30 or 40
Angstroms). They are NOT dissolved or vaporized -- as is a solution or gas,
in no way the colloid we have been discussing here.
4. There appears to be a subtly regular for to these clusters of similarly
charged ions, and in concentrated visualizations of them they appear to
accomodate the shapes of those that are closest to them (the poetry I spoke
of, where all are connected even by the shape of space between them
[Seattle?]) When most dispersed they appear almost round.
The distorted shapes are like amoebas reproducing or mutants, unnaturally
distended and polyform, ie. lacking symmetry.
5. Our biological work is the result of an only recently installed
capability. In the first set of experiments, we undertook certain
inhibition experiments, comparing a number of products. We will decide when
an where we will try to publish the results. It has been an exciting new
dimension for us. And edifying!
Stephen
- Original Message -
From: James Osbourne, Holmes
To:
Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 3:04 PM
Subject: CS>RE: Uggh. Grunt. Me HVAC Brute have questions [sound of knuckles
dragging floor, followed by sound of electrons smashing helpless silver in
the face centered crystial]
> Hi Stephen, et at,
>
> Steven wrote:
>
> "Have looked at HVAC colloid and, yes, it does have alot of particulate
> silver that is dispersed. But it also has significant agglomeration and
> some of the agglomerates are crystalline in form. Aswell, the distortion
> in form reflects the brutality of using such high votage. The particles
> are distended and obtuse, rather like the delirium that accompanies fever,
> and quite large."
>
> 1. What method(s) did you use to examine the sol? Do you have any images
> that you can share with us? What was the source of the HVAC sol?
>
> 2. Can you quantify "...it does have alot of particulate silver that is
> dispersed." a bit more? Like maybe particle sizes and overall mg/L of
> silver?
>
> 3. And can you do the same for, "But it also has significant
agglomeration
> and some of the agglomerates are crystalline in form."
>
> If not dissolved or vaporized, I was under the impression that all silver
> is in crystalline form. Do you know of other phase(s) existing in a
liquid
> which are not?
>
> 4. With what "undistorted form" of silver are you comparing the HVAC
> particles? Does this mean that the center faced cubic crystal of the
> silver brutalized by the HV is now forming different angles?
>
> 5. Can you share your data on the studies of HVAC v LVDC in various
> diseases?
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> James Osbourne Holmes
CS>OT-distilled water makers
I'm so tired of trying to find good steam distilled water to make my silver. The stuff in stores seems inconsistent. So I want to make my own for drinking/silver making. Can anyone recommend one? I have no clue where to start. Having good water really does make a difference in the silver and I want to know I'm using good quality water every time. Thanks- Tami M -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V100 #287
What you are seeing is the catalytic action of silver causing H2O2 breakdown! On a silver bar the reaction is very slow as the surface area/mass is small while the silver atoms/crystals in the pitted surface have large surface areas and thus react quickly! This is the basis of my prior posts of QC test #1, to test Cs for the presence of metallic silver. I.E. ionic Cs will not form a single bubble in 24 hours while poor product will in minutes. Your "oxide" load is reduced silver (to metallic atoms/crystals) and the loading is less when you get bubbles on the "prod", as they are being dispersed into solution as free metallic particles! Test that Cs with H2O2 and you will see the above effect. f...@health2us.com At 10:57 AM 4/8/2000, you wrote: ### Interestingly, it seems that the hydrogen peroxide does not react with clean silver but only attacks the oxides wedged in the pits of an old used electrode. Why? I have no clue. I will now take a piece of new silver and place it in h2o2 for several days and see what happens. Another oddity: [current controlled to .8ma, starting voltage at 24.5v winding down to 6v in approx 2 hrs] The oxides seem to form more vigerously at the beginning of the process and in cool water. If the prods and container are cleaned about half way through, the oxide load seems greatly reduced. If fresh ozonated water is used with cool water, oxide load is great. If the water is warmed to about 100 deg F, bubbles form [dissolved ozygen?] and dissipate [bubbles off] and the subsequent process shows a greatly reduced oxide load. But, running with warm water increases hydrogen bubbles sticking to the other prod [Perhaps something to do with increased vapor pressure forming bigger more stable bubbles and surface tension of the water.] and silver gets trapped on or under the surface of the hydrogen bubbles making a gray fur that clings to one prod. When the prods are removed, the bubbles break at the surface and some of this silver transfers from the surface tension of the hydrogen bubbles to the surface tension of the water and makes what I call a " gray floater". Back to h2o2 and new silver... so far, no reaction whatsoever. BTW, running the generator on straight h202 made a sour nasty tasting somewhat milky liquid that foamed in the mouth. Momentarily, a rabid looking coyote with a sour expression. I guess even with all that violent bubbling at the electrodes going on, the o2 content of the h202 was pretty much unchanged. Getting small bubbles coming off the new silver now [20 minutes or so]and some signs of gray/black tarnish and initial signs of slight pitting. Looks like h2o2 reacts somewhat violently with silver resulting in oxides being blasted out of the pits? The rougher [more pitted]the silver, the more surface area available, the more violent the reaction? KD'C -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>RE: Uggh. Grunt. Me HVAC Brute have questions [sound of knuckles dragging floor, followed by sound of electrons smashing helpless silver in the face centered crystial]
Hi Stephen, et at, Steven wrote: "Have looked at HVAC colloid and, yes, it does have alot of particulate silver that is dispersed. But it also has significant agglomeration and some of the agglomerates are crystalline in form. Aswell, the distortion in form reflects the brutality of using such high votage. The particles are distended and obtuse, rather like the delirium that accompanies fever, and quite large." 1. What method(s) did you use to examine the sol? Do you have any images that you can share with us? What was the source of the HVAC sol? 2. Can you quantify "...it does have alot of particulate silver that is dispersed." a bit more? Like maybe particle sizes and overall mg/L of silver? 3. And can you do the same for, "But it also has significant agglomeration and some of the agglomerates are crystalline in form." If not dissolved or vaporized, I was under the impression that all silver is in crystalline form. Do you know of other phase(s) existing in a liquid which are not? 4. With what "undistorted form" of silver are you comparing the HVAC particles? Does this mean that the center faced cubic crystal of the silver brutalized by the HV is now forming different angles? 5. Can you share your data on the studies of HVAC v LVDC in various diseases? Thanks for your comments. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: Stephen Quinto [SMTP:squi...@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 10:58 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>Colour and silver oxide (long) was CS Makers. Marshall, Have looked at HVAC colloid and, yes, it does have alot of particulate silver that is dispersed. But it also has significant agglomeration and some of the agglomerates are crystalline in form. Aswell, the distortion in form reflects the brutality of using such high votage. The particles are distended and obtuse, rather like the delirium that accompanies fever, and quite large. I have become a believer in the symphony of nature, and force (voltage in this case) must be applied with discretion and gentleness (to the extent that it is possible) if you want a result that is optimally beneficial. The HVAC product we looked at was ordered over the net and was as expected, clear with a significant TE, so the agglomerates were clearly available in the laser. >From an efficacy point of view, to date the LVDC product does better therapeutically that HVAC. But more on that when we have new data to apply to the argument. Stephen -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 5:14 PM Subject: Re: CS>Colour and silver oxide (long) was CS Makers. >Stephen Quinto wrote: > >> I think it was Marshall who pointed out that AC reverses polarity at the >> rate of 60 cycles per second, at least here in the States. And that >> consequently there is no anode and cathode since each electrode alternates >> in that role. >> The implication being that the colloidal particles that might otherwise (in >> a DC process for example) possess the charge that gives them the catalytic >> quality of a true colloid as opposed to the flatter or neutral qualities of >> elemental silver may be lacking. >> Stephen > >I do not believe this analysis is correct. > >I believe the situation must be analysed as a dynamic situation, as opposed to >a static, or near static situation as can the LVDC method. > >Two things happen differently with HVAC. First, since the polarity is >continually alternating, both oxygen and hydrogen are generated at each >electrode. Since both of these elements are much more active chemically than >silver, they react with each other, instead of reacting with the silver. This >is why HVAC can produce clear CS with no tarnishing of the electrodes and no >production of sludge or other compounds of silver. > >The second important thing that happens is that we put a strong electric charge >on the silver ion as it leaves the anode. The strong field of several thousand >volts per inch causes the ion to quickly leave the area next to the electrode >where the silver ion density is so high as to cause rapid aggregation into >unduly large particles. However some aggregation does take place. > >So we end up with positively charged particles that leave the anode as ions but >quickly become particles of some number of atoms each. This is true also of >the LVDC method, although the rate at which the ions move away from the anode >is about 1,000 times faster for the HVAC method due to the higher voltage. In >the HVAC method at some point the polarity switches and the particles are >attracted back toward the electrode. However there are 3 effects that prevent >the vast majority of particles from reaching the electrode, which now is the >cathode. > >1. Particle size. Ions can travel faster than the larger colloidal >particles. Since they left the electrode as ions, then aggregated somewh
CS>Marginally On Topic: Vac. and Autism & Lyme
Both of these strike me as probably spin control efforts based on what Silver Listers have previously posted about these two subjects. That being: 1. Evidence mounts, nailing a definite connection between vaccines and autism, and 2. This list has been filled with writers who say that their Lyme symptoms continue after the sawbones give them a clean bill of health. They are trotting out their paid dog and pony shows... There is no need to be alarmed; drink your diet cola and trust in science and your leaders. Everything is under control. Everything is under control. This is not a real emergency. If this was a real emergency your ass would already be vaporized. EVERY THING is under control CONGRESS URGED TO DISCOUNT PURPORTED LINK BETWEEN AUTISM AND IMMUNIZATION The National Network for Immunization Information (NNii) will testify at an April 6th hearing of the House Government Reform Committee that there is no scientific evidence to suggest that autism is associated with childhood vaccination. http://id.medscape.com/19752.rhtml http://id.medscape.com/19752.rhtml";>Read it Here LINGERING EFFECTS OF TREATED LYME DISEASE Patients previously treated for Lyme disease are unlikely to exhibit long-term physical or neurocognitive abnormalities in clinical evaluations. http://id.medscape.com/19846.rhtml http://id.medscape.com/19846.rhtml";>Read it Here James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com <>
Re: CS>Rennet
Junket tablets are also known as Junket Rennet Tablets. The Junket Rennet Tablet contains a coagulating enzyme usually obtained from a calf's stomach. This is used to curdle milk in various foods (i.e. cheese). Dr. Ian Billinghurst, writer of "Give your Dog a Bone' uses this tablet for his fortified milk mixture for puppies and the addition of the junket tablet does contribute enzymes as well as thicken the consistency of this mixture for the puppies. Hope this helps, Ignit Bekken. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS><hydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky]
In a message dated 4*8*00 3:00:04 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: << Subject: CS>hydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky] > > >> ## An odd little experiment. >> Hello all, I did a little experiment with hydrogen peroxide too recently...of a completely different nature. I breathed it up my nose. I had been reading about it and became convinced that the 3% kind would not be too strong to try this with. What happened was that it totally cleared my nose out upon the first try. I ran into my daughters room and said "I can hear better!" (I have tinnitus and it is effecting my hearing). W E L L ...I should have left well enough alone. I did it again two more times!!! My nose wouldn't stop running and bleeding too. And I got sick too, for 2 days. Does anyone have a guess about this? Did I open up some crap in my nasal cavity and it perhaps was loosened by the hydrogen peroxide? H...I keep wondering about this. Comments appreciated! Love, Kathy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>kitty eye spots? :0(
Monsanto James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com -Original Message- From: cking...@nycap.rr.com [SMTP:cking...@nycap.rr.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 6:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>kitty eye spots? :0( Oh,Man! I'd like to be a fly on the wall when you feed your kitty this... Chuck If olive oil comes from olives, and peanut oil comes from peanuts, where does baby oil come from? On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:22:03 -0100, "Ignit Bekken" wrote: >1. Use horseradish. Grate the root and eat it raw or make a broth. > -- from "New Book on Healing" -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>What product is best? etc.
In a message dated 4*8*00 3:00:04 PM, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: << Anyway, Kathy, I'd be happy to send you some of mine for reimbursement for the bottle and postage; but I can't tell you how many parts per million (PPM) my solution is. You'd do better getting your silver from someone who's more knowledgeable than I so you'd know exactly what you're getting. Hello Nina, I would love to make my own! Is it easy to do? I wouldn't know the first thing about it. I make rugs (hehehe)... hooked and braided, so what you say about being "satisfying," is certainly understood!!! THANKS anyway FOR YOUR KIND OFFER. Much appreciated! There are so many nice people on this list! I am though using a homemade zapper. I begged, whined, bargained and cried for weeks till finally my husband gave in and made me one. Now I want a Don Croft one...oh dear. For now I have decided to purchase some CS from one of the listers here who wrote, off list, about his. I am sure it'll beat the commerical brand in effectiveness. Thanks to everyone who wrote (I received about 4 emails off list) in response to my question about the best brand. While I'm at it...the discussion of using it to clear up acne, came across a few issues back. My 17 year old daughter has had very good luck. She sprays it on nightly and it did heal her face (and we used a commmerical brand!). We ran out and the acne came back. Now I'll have her drink some too, in hopes to heal it from the inside. For myself, I am hoping it'll diminsh the constant ringing in my ears, but if it doesn't, oh well, I KNOW it'll benefit in other ways! LOVE, Kathy <> -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>ozone
OXYGEN LIST E-mail Address(es): l...@oxytherapy.com Dave Perkins - Original Message - From: Stephen Hessler To: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 10:30 AM Subject: CS>ozone > Dear List, 2 Requests... > Does anyone know of an oxygen/ozone list where one might find out the > efficacy of ozonating a herbal formula after formulating to remove any > inorganic > accumulations that may be inherent in the herbs from a toxified (imported) > herb > or chemicals in the soil? > > Has anyone had experience with such a problem? > > TIA h...@mcmo.net > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: cs strength
In a message dated 00-04-08 10:56:06 EDT, you write: << ## Well, the schools are still teaching people that we live in a universe of solid objects when it's pretty much proven that they are only 'virtually solid in appearance' If this were taught from an early age, it might result in more people using their minds as hammers to shape the world, or at least positiveley empowered personal experential realities, rather than the anvils making up our present society of helpless victims. KD'C >> KDC: Physical chemistry is but a subset of meta-physics. BUT as a subset it still follows natural laws just as Newtonian Physics follows its natural laws which are a subset of Relativity. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>hydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky]
- Original Message - From: coyote Subject: Re: CS>hydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky] > > BTW, running the generator on straight h202 made a sour nasty tasting > somewhat milky liquid that foamed in the mouth. > Momentarily, a rabid looking coyote with a sour expression. I guess > even with all that violent bubbling at the electrodes going on, the o2 > content of the h202 was pretty much unchanged. > > > Getting small bubbles coming off the new silver now [20 minutes or so]and > some signs of gray/black tarnish and initial signs of slight pitting. > Looks like h2o2 reacts somewhat violently with silver resulting in oxides > being blasted out of the pits? The rougher [more pitted]the silver, the > more surface area available, the more violent the reaction? > KD'C If I remember a previous post correctly, it has been stated that the reaction between high concentrations of H2O2 and silver is not just tumultuous, but explosive! So be careful with that rocket fuel setup you've got going. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>hydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky]
### Interestingly, it seems that the hydrogen peroxide does not react with clean silver but only attacks the oxides wedged in the pits of an old used electrode. Why? I have no clue. I will now take a piece of new silver and place it in h2o2 for several days and see what happens. Another oddity: [current controlled to .8ma, starting voltage at 24.5v winding down to 6v in approx 2 hrs] The oxides seem to form more vigerously at the beginning of the process and in cool water. If the prods and container are cleaned about half way through, the oxide load seems greatly reduced. If fresh ozonated water is used with cool water, oxide load is great. If the water is warmed to about 100 deg F, bubbles form [dissolved ozygen?] and dissipate [bubbles off] and the subsequent process shows a greatly reduced oxide load. But, running with warm water increases hydrogen bubbles sticking to the other prod [Perhaps something to do with increased vapor pressure forming bigger more stable bubbles and surface tension of the water.] and silver gets trapped on or under the surface of the hydrogen bubbles making a gray fur that clings to one prod. When the prods are removed, the bubbles break at the surface and some of this silver transfers from the surface tension of the hydrogen bubbles to the surface tension of the water and makes what I call a " gray floater". Back to h2o2 and new silver... so far, no reaction whatsoever. BTW, running the generator on straight h202 made a sour nasty tasting somewhat milky liquid that foamed in the mouth. Momentarily, a rabid looking coyote with a sour expression. I guess even with all that violent bubbling at the electrodes going on, the o2 content of the h202 was pretty much unchanged. Getting small bubbles coming off the new silver now [20 minutes or so]and some signs of gray/black tarnish and initial signs of slight pitting. Looks like h2o2 reacts somewhat violently with silver resulting in oxides being blasted out of the pits? The rougher [more pitted]the silver, the more surface area available, the more violent the reaction? KD'C At 12:58 PM 4/7/00 -0700, you wrote: >I was told that I could clean my electrodes with H2O2 hydrogen peroxide but >not to leave them in too long because the peroxide would eat the electrodes >up. I have cleaned them occasionally this way but never left them in to >test out whether it was true or not that the peroxide would eat the silver >away. --BA >- Original Message - >From: coyote >Subject: CS>hydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [a quicky] > > >> ## An odd little experiment. >> >> I got to wondering what would happen if i ran a generator on pure h2o2 >> hydrogen peroxide. When i submerged used rods into the h2o2 they >instantly >> started releasing bubbles even before applying power. I dipped a new >> silver rod into h2o2 and it didn't bubble...another old one did. >> The h2o2 ate up all the black stuff that was trapped in the pitted >surface >> of the old silver rod and cleaned it quite >effectively..KD'C/ k...@czen > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > Paying $5 to $20 an ounce for colloidal silver? Make your own, often higher quality, colloidal silver at home for 5 cents a gallon with the Coyote Zenterprizes Current controlled Colloidal Silver Generator. Specs based on Bob Becks research. http://www.silverpuppy.com
CS>pesticides, fungicides
Hi list.FYI... A new interactive website http://www.foodnews.org allows users to discover what pesticides they consume on a daily basis, and what the potential health effects are. Regards, h...@mcmo.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Rennet
Hi List, Does anyone have an idea how they make vegetable rennet? And out of what specifically? TIA h...@mcmo.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>ozone
Dear List, 2 Requests... Does anyone know of an oxygen/ozone list where one might find out the efficacy of ozonating a herbal formula after formulating to remove any inorganic accumulations that may be inherent in the herbs from a toxified (imported) herb or chemicals in the soil? Has anyone had experience with such a problem? TIA h...@mcmo.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: cs strength
## Well, the schools are still teaching people that we live in a universe of solid objects when it's pretty much proven that they are only 'virtually solid in appearance' If this were taught from an early age, it might result in more people using their minds as hammers to shape the world, or at least positiveley empowered personal experential realities, rather than the anvils making up our present society of helpless victims. KD'C At 04:51 PM 4/7/00 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 00-04-07 16:47:23 EDT, you write: > ><< I don't believe it is possible to have a ph of other than 7 without an >ionic > attribute is it? > >> >When I went to school electrical neutrality was definitely the in thing. >Maybe it has now been dropped from the curriculum along with so many other >things. > >Roger > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
RE: cs strength>qualities of precipitated Ag sol
## That's my guess too. Due to the defensive/secretive attitude I encountered, asking would be a waste of time. They hedged most of the simple questions and ignored all the others. Observing the general conditions and equipment available, I doubt seriously that they have any idea and couldn't answer even if they weren't so defensive. ..and they didn't seem the type to honestly say "I don't know". No whys and hows on the yellow cash cow. ..and we ain't sellin it to you anyhow. so you have no right to know, now go. I went. KD'C At 03:09 PM 4/7/00 -0600, you wrote: >Wild ass guess, but the particle size is probably huge in the multi-micron >range, and the Zeta is probably Zero. > >Also, I venture that there are a lot of contaminants left over as unreacted >reagents and undesirable products of the reaction which produced the >silver. > >Write them and ask: > >1. What is the range and distribution of your particle size? >2. Can you provide me with an analysis of the sol showing all elements >present over 1 PPM. >3. What is the shelf life of the sol? > >James Osbourne Holmes >a...@trail.com > > >-Original Message- >From: coyote [SMTP:coy...@alltel.net] >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 6:52 AM >To:silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: cs strength > > ##Slightly off subject but may be enlightening > > > There is a company near me that manufactures CS by the 55 gallon drum, >sold bulk to repackagers. I visited and asked questions. They do not use >and electrical process but something called a "Precipitate method". The >person i spoke to was very closed mouth about it. The CS was a very deep >bright yellow, almost iridescent [ viewed through a half inch clear >plastic tube] and was stored in what looked like a blue plastic pickle >barrel like the local Mount Olive pickle company uses. > > I recently sold a generator to a woman who attempted to use [deep bright >yellow] commercial CS in her eyes. She said it irritated them badly whereas >the CS from the generator did not. She washed her shower curtains with the >commercial stuff. > Does anyone know anything about the 'precipitate method' of making CS? >This local company sends out drum after drum of this. I wonder how much of >what's available in stores is this very same product repackaged. > KD'C > >At 06:56 AM 4/6/00 -0700, you wrote: >>Hello, >> >>I am new to CS and this list. I got a prett serious >>burn, and a book I have suggested applying CS >>topically. I bought some at the local health food >>store (not knowing anything about it), and what I got >>is 1100 ppm (manufactured by Innovative Natural >>Products). I tried applying this to the area, and it >>seemed to worsen, so I stopped. I have continued to >>take a small amount internally. >> >>since beginning my research into CS on the web, I see >>that most of you use a much weaker solution. Is 1100 >>way too strong? (it is a dark yellow color). Is this >>safe to apply topically to my burn? >>any advice would be much appreciated! >> >>__ >>Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >>http://im.yahoo.com >> >> >>-- >>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >>To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >>silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >>with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >>Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >>List maintainer: Mike Devour >> >> >> > > >
Re: CS>hydrogen peroxide and CS production experiment [results]
#...@#@ In a word...YUK! Sure shines up those rods though. ## Started a batch with 25 drops of hydrogen peroxide in DS. Run for 2 hrs at .8ma. Bubbles bubbles everywhere and stuck on all glass surfaces, nice T.E.,slightly cloudy white, sour/bitter flavor with nasty aftertaste..not just a clean metallic "bite", little darkening of either prod, no deposits, bubbles stuck all over the bottom even after sitting all night. What the heck did I make? KD'C At 11:41 AM 4/7/00 -0400, you wrote: >## An odd little experiment. > > I got to wondering what would happen if i ran a generator on pure h2o2 >hydrogen peroxide. When i submerged used rods into the h2o2 they instantly >started releasing bubbles even before applying power. I dipped a new >silver rod into h2o2 and it didn't bubble...another old one did. > The h2o2 ate up all the black stuff that was trapped in the pitted surface >of the old silver rod and cleaned it quite effectively. > > Going back to the generator. > I had to disable the voltage referencing circuit because the h2o2 was too >conductive telling my generator to turn off. Running at a regulated current >of .8 ma. > It violently bubbled on both rods for a few minutes [oxygen release??]then >one rod started producing twice as many bubbles as the other [normal >hydrolysis??]...no black stuff yet...no color at all...got a fine strong >T.E. very quickly. [not present in the h2o2] > After 40 minutes: > One rod darkening a little and still bubbling half as much as the other, >the other emmitting violent bubbles appearing white. Still no color...fine >T.E., no sparkles, no deposits. > > Note: When hydrogen peroxide is depleted, distilled water is all that's left. > > Could be a great way to start a batch of CS? [Add a little hydrogen >peroxide to the distilled water] > > > That's next. >It certainly cleans the rods! [even with no power] Gotta try it on a REALLY >black rod and see what happens to the h202. > > KD'C/ k...@czen > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
CS>hvac electrodes [was long and winding oxides]
##Is there a reason for the vents? It would seem that limiting access to the atmosphere would reduce the likelyhood of nitric acid formation in the arc. If pressure builds up in the container, perhaps a check valve? Could a similar device be constructed out of an automotive coil, automotive electronic signal amplifier and a signal generator such as a multivibrator or cystal oscillator that runs on 12 volts? Humm, vision of an HVDC CS maker in the car merrily making CS on the way to work using the tachometer lead for a signal fed to a duplicate ignition system rigged to a water bottle with a silver "spark plug". KD'C KD'C At 03:35 PM 4/7/00 -0400, you wrote: >Only what air is in the top three inches of the one gallon bottle and what >might come in through the two 1/4 inch vent holes in the cap. > >Bill > >At 11:57 4/7/00 -0400, you wrote: >>### Is the electrode exposed to open air or is it isolated? >> KD'C >>> >>>The "Motherlode" uses HVAC and the cathode is immersed but the anode is >>>suspended approx 3/16ths of an inch above the water and arcs to the water. >>>It makes 1 gal of approx 8ppm in 2 hrs. It uses 15,000v. >>> >>>Bill >>>Sincerely, >>>Bill >>>__ >>> >>>The wave of the Future >>>http://www.alphacomopportunity.com/cgi-bin/d.cgi/6032 >>>__ >>> >>> >>>-- >>>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >>> >>>To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >>>silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >>>with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >>> >>>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >>>Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >>>List maintainer: Mike Devour >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >Sincerely, >Bill >__ > >The wave of the Future >http://www.alphacomopportunity.com/cgi-bin/d.cgi/6032 >__ > > >
Re: CS>Colour and silver oxide (long) was CS Makers.
## I've been wondering if the silver ion is only produced on the positive cycle. And why is one electrode submerged and the other not? [Or does this question apply to a different HVAC device?] I forget, do you use current limitation? In addition, BRAVO! Marshall. Sounds darned good. So now I wander why my Silver Genie produces sludge so effectively. I guess HVDC with sumerged electrodes does not react the hydrogen and oxygen. [gotta take that thing and put it on the oscilliscope..it just says high voltage, not AC or DC] Appologies for being such an enthusiastic verbose newbie on the list..I'll wear down eventually. If questions go unanswered, no problem. I'll go elsewhere for them. KD'C At 05:14 PM 4/7/00 -0400, you wrote: >Stephen Quinto wrote: > >> I think it was Marshall who pointed out that AC reverses polarity at the >> rate of 60 cycles per second, at least here in the States. And that >> consequently there is no anode and cathode since each electrode alternates >> in that role. >> The implication being that the colloidal particles that might otherwise (in >> a DC process for example) possess the charge that gives them the catalytic >> quality of a true colloid as opposed to the flatter or neutral qualities of >> elemental silver may be lacking. >> Stephen > >I do not believe this analysis is correct. > >I believe the situation must be analysed as a dynamic situation, as opposed to >a static, or near static situation as can the LVDC method. > >Two things happen differently with HVAC. First, since the polarity is >continually alternating, both oxygen and hydrogen are generated at each >electrode. Since both of these elements are much more active chemically than >silver, they react with each other, instead of reacting with the silver. This >is why HVAC can produce clear CS with no tarnishing of the electrodes and no >production of sludge or other compounds of silver. > >The second important thing that happens is that we put a strong electric charge >on the silver ion as it leaves the anode. The strong field of several thousand >volts per inch causes the ion to quickly leave the area next to the electrode >where the silver ion density is so high as to cause rapid aggregation into >unduly large particles. However some aggregation does take place. > >So we end up with positively charged particles that leave the anode as ions but >quickly become particles of some number of atoms each. This is true also of >the LVDC method, although the rate at which the ions move away from the anode >is about 1,000 times faster for the HVAC method due to the higher voltage. In >the HVAC method at some point the polarity switches and the particles are >attracted back toward the electrode. However there are 3 effects that prevent >the vast majority of particles from reaching the electrode, which now is the >cathode. > >1. Particle size. Ions can travel faster than the larger colloidal >particles. Since they left the electrode as ions, then aggregated somewhat a >distance from the electrode, the rate at which they moved away from the >electrode is faster than the rate at which they return. > >2. Charge. Each particle has a positive charge on it. Thus each particle >reacts to a sum of the electric field provided by the voltage on the electrodes >PLUS an additional force of dispersion from an area of higher concentration to >that of a lower concentration. This also results in a higher velocity of the >particles away from the electrode, than toward it. > >3. Convection. HVAC put significant amounts of energy in the water near the >electrodes. This results in heating of this area, and strong convection >currents which carry the particles away from the electrode toward cooler areas. > >The result is that a colloid can be produced that has no sludge, and has highly >charged particles. > >Bless you, > >Marshall > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: cs strength
## Hooo Boy! I'll be driving by the place and get the full company name [something like "Specialty Materials Handling Inc"] , search down thier website [they said they have one] and post it for all to see. It's not a 'big' company...just a steel building out in the sticks on Pea Ridge Road near Moncure NC. But they do make an awful lot [pun intended] of the stuff and I just bet it goes into a great number of those expensive little bottles sold in stores, rebranded without any indication as to who really made it or how. I'd also bet that's what the person mentioned put in her eyes that irritated themeffectivly, draino. [Should have done a great job on her shower curtains though] I will also be posting a warning on my website. Is it OK to reprint your synapsis on the precipitate method? Sometimes being an inquisitive pain in the rump pays off for everyone. K'DC/ k...@czen At 11:52 AM 4/7/00 -0400, you wrote: >coyote wrote: > >> ##Slightly off subject but may be enlightening >> >> There is a company near me that manufactures CS by the 55 gallon drum, >> sold bulk to repackagers. I visited and asked questions. They do not use >> and electrical process but something called a "Precipitate method". The >> person i spoke to was very closed mouth about it. The CS was a very deep >> bright yellow, almost iridescent [ viewed through a half inch clear >> plastic tube] and was stored in what looked like a blue plastic pickle >> barrel like the local Mount Olive pickle company uses. >> > >The precipitate method is what was used in the 30's. It is the least expensive >method, and produces an inferior, possibly toxic, product. > >Here is how it works. You start with a salt of silver, most likely silver >nitrate, then add a base to it, such as sodium hydroxide (aka lye, draino). >The two react producing silver particles and sodium nitrate. > >There are several problems with this. First you now have sodium nitrate in the >sol, which ends up in the final material, or other processes must be used to >remove it. Total remove is highly unlikely. Also silver nitrate can still >remain, and this can cause argyria and is considered a poison. If too much lye >is added, then there will be traces of what is basically drano in there as >well. > >Added to this is that the particles are not charged up positively like in the >electrolytic process, then they will quickly aggregate and produce larger >particles, plus without the charge, they lose a lot of effectiveness. > >Thus you end up with a product which has reduced effectiveness, reduced >stability, increased toxicity, and the possibility of it causing argyria. But >it is very cheap to make this way. > >Typical of big companies, damn the product, make it as cheap as possible. No >wonder they are closed mouthed about it. > >Marshall > > > >> >> I recently sold a generator to a woman who attempted to use [deep bright >> yellow] commercial CS in her eyes. She said it irritated them badly whereas >> the CS from the generator did not. She washed her shower curtains with the >> commercial stuff. >> Does anyone know anything about the 'precipitate method' of making CS? >> This local company sends out drum after drum of this. I wonder how much of >> what's available in stores is this very same product repackaged. >> KD'C >> >> At 06:56 AM 4/6/00 -0700, you wrote: >> >Hello, >> > >> >I am new to CS and this list. I got a prett serious >> >burn, and a book I have suggested applying CS >> >topically. I bought some at the local health food >> >store (not knowing anything about it), and what I got >> >is 1100 ppm (manufactured by Innovative Natural >> >Products). I tried applying this to the area, and it >> >seemed to worsen, so I stopped. I have continued to >> >take a small amount internally. >> > >> >since beginning my research into CS on the web, I see >> >that most of you use a much weaker solution. Is 1100 >> >way too strong? (it is a dark yellow color). Is this >> >safe to apply topically to my burn? >> >any advice would be much appreciated! >> > >> >__ >> >Do You Yahoo!? >> >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >> >http://im.yahoo.com >> > >> > >> >-- >> >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> > >> >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> > >> >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >List maintainer: Mike Devour >> > >> > >> > > > >
Re: CS>Re: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions
## The best way for change is to make the change quietly and spread the change quietly. If it is a good change..a good idea...it will spread. When the majority is quietly doing thier will, any law that opposes it becomes an unenforceable joke. To pass a law against possessing CS would be akin to outlawing the silverware that graces the lawmakers dinner table. Likewise, outlawing sand below a certain particle size would be like outlawing dust and demanding that everyone wear a dust mask. I can only say what I do and why, not tell you what you should do. If you do as I do, so be it. Leading by example makes no demands of the followers so every follower is a leader. Force is not involved, so no force can stop it. Vilify not the enemy. There is no need. He is already vile. Instead, quietly attract his resources away from him and he will become a small helpless voice. If he demands lip service, he will only hear the lies he demands. I don't need my lips to speak to myself. KD'Cs manual of quiet subversion and the silent revolution. At 10:20 AM 4/6/00 -, you wrote: >Many people do not have the luxury to engage the government in such pursuits >as breaking an established law, then spending years of time and resources >fighting. It would jeopardize their work in the world, and most likely lead >to the discrediting of even non-related works, many of which have quite >profound implications for humanity. It would be blatantly self-destructive >to do so. I would highly suggest anyone considering such an act contact >those who have personal experience to guide by. I would also strongly >suggest consulting a good lawyer, who would inform you that while your >efforts are noble, righteous, and most princely, they would not even be >subject to appeal. It is like building your defense in a murder trial upon >the basis that murder should not be against the law. Even if you proved >your case, it would be irrelevant. A law, if passed legally, is beyond >philosophical, scientific, or otherwise logical judgement. > >In our case, however, I do not forsee anyone going to jail over colloidal >silver. At worst, I expect the FDA will just fine "offending" companies out >of business. The FDA has a history of going after truly dangerous people, >and is not likely to be concerned with laymen who do not have the >credentials or a demonstrated history in an important field necessary to >make a large impact on public awareness. The FDA also is very reluctant to >go after well organized, law abiding organizations who include a standard >sample of the public. 1000 average "Americans" united in the pursuit of an >altruistic aim also pose a dangerous threat. > >Your danger to the system does not lie in breaking the law. It lies in >following it. The power lies not in assertion of Will, but in application >of Wisdom. Freedom is obtained by the strictess observance of natural law. > >- Original Message - >From: Ted Windsor >To: >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 4:29 PM >Subject: Re: CS>Re: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions > > >> The FDA can reclassify any thing, but this does not mean it cannot be >challanged >> in a court of law. You have the God given right to defend yourself from >those >> who try to take your rights away. You are also given the right of choice. >> Blessings >> Ted >> >> "Jason R. Eaton" wrote: >> >> > Greetings! >> > >> > Sadly, Terry, that understanding is not correct. Anything used and >accepted >> > before 1935 is protected under the grandfather clause, provided ONLY >that >> > the FDA does not choose to reclassify it. The FDA ruled that CS is an >> > unclassified drug in September of 1999. However, colloidal silver is >still >> > protected under the Vitamin and Mineral Suppliment Act. And so, the >bottom >> > line: CS can be sold as such without any medical claims. >> > >> > - Original Message - >> > From: Ted Windsor >> > To: >> > Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 2:45 PM >> > Subject: Re: CS>Re: Documented CS Successes under Controlled Conditions >> > >> > > My understanding is that anything used pre- 1935, the FDA cannot rule >> > against it, >> > > this does not mean that they won't try to use scare tactics and >> > intimidation, I >> > > would not be afraid to go to court at any time to defend my rights >against >> > any >> > > government. >> > > Blessings >> > > Ted >> > > >> > > rogalt...@aol.com wrote: >> > > >> > > > Ted: >> > > > >> > > > I wonder how your "read" of FDA action (or inaction) with regard to >CS >> > vendor >> > > > claims (or even "non-claims") stacks up against their most recent >> > ruling? >> > > > >> > > > Roger >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal >silver. >> > > > >> > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message >to: >> > > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- >silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> > > > with the word subscribe or unsubscri
Re: cs strength
## Still not so hot, ey? As much as I dislike regulation, it seems that a proper element in accurate labeling should include the process type. For instance: electro-colloidal and precipitate colloidal. KD'C At 04:33 PM 4/7/00 -0400, you wrote: >Marshall, and "coyote", >there is a product on the market - also produced chemically - one of the >finest colloids we've seen. But it has a pH of 3.1, effectively a mild >acid. However it is free of any ionic attribute, a pure colloid! I >suggested that we bring it up to pH normal and have a look it then >formed crystal structures up to several hundred nm. Cannot even begin to >fathom the reaction in vivo, but certainly are not going to find out >Stephen >- Original Message - >From: Marshall Dudley >To: >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 11:52 AM >Subject: Re: cs strength > > >> coyote wrote: >> >> > ##Slightly off subject but may be enlightening >> > >> > There is a company near me that manufactures CS by the 55 gallon drum, >> > sold bulk to repackagers. I visited and asked questions. They do not >use >> > and electrical process but something called a "Precipitate method". The >> > person i spoke to was very closed mouth about it. The CS was a very >deep >> > bright yellow, almost iridescent [ viewed through a half inch clear >> > plastic tube] and was stored in what looked like a blue plastic pickle >> > barrel like the local Mount Olive pickle company uses. >> > >> >> The precipitate method is what was used in the 30's. It is the least >expensive >> method, and produces an inferior, possibly toxic, product. >> >> Here is how it works. You start with a salt of silver, most likely silver >> nitrate, then add a base to it, such as sodium hydroxide (aka lye, >draino). >> The two react producing silver particles and sodium nitrate. >> >> There are several problems with this. First you now have sodium nitrate >in the >> sol, which ends up in the final material, or other processes must be used >to >> remove it. Total remove is highly unlikely. Also silver nitrate can >still >> remain, and this can cause argyria and is considered a poison. If too >much lye >> is added, then there will be traces of what is basically drano in there as >> well. >> >> Added to this is that the particles are not charged up positively like in >the >> electrolytic process, then they will quickly aggregate and produce larger >> particles, plus without the charge, they lose a lot of effectiveness. >> >> Thus you end up with a product which has reduced effectiveness, reduced >> stability, increased toxicity, and the possibility of it causing argyria. >But >> it is very cheap to make this way. >> >> Typical of big companies, damn the product, make it as cheap as possible. >No >> wonder they are closed mouthed about it. >> >> Marshall >> >> >> >> > >> > I recently sold a generator to a woman who attempted to use [deep >bright >> > yellow] commercial CS in her eyes. She said it irritated them badly >whereas >> > the CS from the generator did not. She washed her shower curtains with >the >> > commercial stuff. >> > Does anyone know anything about the 'precipitate method' of making CS? >> > This local company sends out drum after drum of this. I wonder how much >of >> > what's available in stores is this very same product repackaged. >> > KD'C >> > >> > At 06:56 AM 4/6/00 -0700, you wrote: >> > >Hello, >> > > >> > >I am new to CS and this list. I got a prett serious >> > >burn, and a book I have suggested applying CS >> > >topically. I bought some at the local health food >> > >store (not knowing anything about it), and what I got >> > >is 1100 ppm (manufactured by Innovative Natural >> > >Products). I tried applying this to the area, and it >> > >seemed to worsen, so I stopped. I have continued to >> > >take a small amount internally. >> > > >> > >since beginning my research into CS on the web, I see >> > >that most of you use a much weaker solution. Is 1100 >> > >way too strong? (it is a dark yellow color). Is this >> > >safe to apply topically to my burn? >> > >any advice would be much appreciated! >> > > >> > >__ >> > >Do You Yahoo!? >> > >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. >> > >http://im.yahoo.com >> > > >> > > >> > >-- >> > >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal >silver. >> > > >> > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> > >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> > >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> > > >> > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> > >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> > >List maintainer: Mike Devour >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >
RE: CS>***** MSM *****
http://www.msm-msm.com Last time I checked $12.50 per lbs. and nice message board where owner answers any questions. Sue -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>What product is best?
- Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 11:29 PM Subject: CS>What product is best? > Is there a better or best colloidal silver product out there for those of > us who do not make our own? Or maybe a book "Colloidal Silver Making for > Dummies" LOL. > I have used two brands. One called "Futurebiotics" in a blue bottle bought in > a health food store. And the other is "SilverAide" which is in a brown bottle > that I purchased via the mail. > And... is their anyone out there that would like to sell their product? > Granted a lot of trust would have to go along with this request, but judging > from the people I have read here everyone seems ethical and worthy of that > trust. > Love, Kathy Dear Kathy, I am not versed on brands of CS. I bought two different kinds years ago, and I don't even think the companies are even in business any more. After you try it, I STRONGLY urge you to invest in a CS maker and make your own. After two failed attempts on my part -- during which time I had no silver at all to use -- I made my own again, thanks to some VERY supportive folks on this list. My third attempt was a complete success; I have lots of it and it WORKS. So this is my opportunity to say "Thanks folks." Anyway, Kathy, I'd be happy to send you some of mine for reimbursement for the bottle and postage; but I can't tell you how many parts per million (PPM) my solution is. You'd do better getting your silver from someone who's more knowledgeable than I so you'd know exactly what you're getting. Again, I strongly urge you to get a CS maker. You can't believe how gratifying it is to make your own -- and how easy it can be, once you've ironed out the kinks. Nina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: cs strength
James, I am sure the charged Ps are responsible for the catalytic effect in the therapeutic process. And it is clear that we are dealing not with single atoms but clusters that form visible Ps. I doubt that atoms are even visible matter! But I challenge anyone to disprove the hypothesis. There must be some mathematical proof, somewhere, someone must understand it. Meanwhile we have achieved reduction that I didn't know was possible. One can actually see the interaction of the Ps and it is apparent that there is an affinity relationship that correlates to size at these diminished levels (I mean Ps from sveral Angstroms to several nm). Stephen -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 8:28 PM Subject: RE: cs strength >Hi Stephen, > >All charged particles are by definition ions. At issue, is whether we are >discussing single dissolved atom with its valence available to react with >other ions, or a small clump of atoms which is charged, but is not readily >available to react with other ions. The antimicrobal and healing >properties of CS as well as its long-range stability are believed to be at >least partly due to the presence of a positive charge on a clump of Ag >atoms, which are suspended by Brownian movement in the water. They have >less tendency to strike one another in ways which will stick because each >has a positive charge of at least Plus One. As concentration increases, > the particles are of necessity closer together, increasing the chance of a >sticky collision. > >Single "dissolved" atoms are much more available to react with other >elements and compounds, and may be more prone to producing cosmetic >conditions or toxic products. > >The foregoing is totally without available documentation, and represents >only my present attempt to understand and widely open to correction or >elaboration. > >James Osbourne Holmes >a...@trail.com > > >-Original Message- >From: Stephen Quinto [SMTP:squi...@mindspring.com] >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 2:34 PM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: cs strength > >Marshall, and "coyote", >there is a product on the market - also produced chemically - one of the >finest colloids we've seen. But it has a pH of 3.1, effectively a mild >acid. However it is free of any ionic attribute, a pure colloid! I >suggested that we bring it up to pH normal and have a look it then >formed crystal structures up to several hundred nm. Cannot even begin to >fathom the reaction in vivo, but certainly are not going to find out >Stephen >- Original Message - >From: Marshall Dudley >To: >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 11:52 AM >Subject: Re: cs strength > > >> coyote wrote: >> >> > ##Slightly off subject but may be enlightening >> > >> > There is a company near me that manufactures CS by the 55 gallon >drum, >> > sold bulk to repackagers. I visited and asked questions. They do not >use >> > and electrical process but something called a "Precipitate method". > The >> > person i spoke to was very closed mouth about it. The CS was a very >deep >> > bright yellow, almost iridescent [ viewed through a half inch clear >> > plastic tube] and was stored in what looked like a blue plastic pickle >> > barrel like the local Mount Olive pickle company uses. >> > >> >> The precipitate method is what was used in the 30's. It is the least >expensive >> method, and produces an inferior, possibly toxic, product. >> >> Here is how it works. You start with a salt of silver, most likely >silver >> nitrate, then add a base to it, such as sodium hydroxide (aka lye, >draino). >> The two react producing silver particles and sodium nitrate. >> >> There are several problems with this. First you now have sodium nitrate >in the >> sol, which ends up in the final material, or other processes must be used >to >> remove it. Total remove is highly unlikely. Also silver nitrate can >still >> remain, and this can cause argyria and is considered a poison. If too >much lye >> is added, then there will be traces of what is basically drano in there >as >> well. >> >> Added to this is that the particles are not charged up positively like in >the >> electrolytic process, then they will quickly aggregate and produce larger >> particles, plus without the charge, they lose a lot of effectiveness. >> >> Thus you end up with a product which has reduced effectiveness, reduced >> stability, increased toxicity, and the possibility of it causing argyria. >But >> it is very cheap to make this way. >> >> Typical of big companies, damn the product, make it as cheap as possible. >No >> wonder they are closed mouthed about it. >> >> Marshall >> >> >> >> > >> > I recently sold a generator to a woman who attempted to use [deep >bright >> > yellow] commercial CS in her eyes. She said it irritated them badly >whereas >> > the CS from the generator did not. She washed her shower curtains with >the >> > commerc
Re: CS Makers> measurment of Ag colloid mg/L
As far I know, yes, colloidal particles won't easily dissolve even in a strong HNO3. The HACH sodium thiosulfate protocol is a detection protocol for dissolved silver. -Original Message- From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 7:05 PM Subject: RE: CS Makers> measurment of Ag colloid mg/L >Thank you Stephen. > >Do you know if the digestion is required with wet spectroscopy? > >James Osbourne Holmes >a...@trail.com > > >-Original Message- >From: Stephen Quinto [SMTP:squi...@mindspring.com] >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 8:20 AM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: CS Makers> measurment of Ag colloid mg/L > >James, >I have spoken with the Hach people way back, and we do have the sodium >thiosulfate pillows at silver reagents here. But we do all our >concentration analysis on an AA. Even so, I recall a conversation to the >effect that "you must first digest" every sample for accuracy. But that has >been disproven. If it is silver, the flame at 2300 degrees will burn it and >the spectral fingerprint will not deceive you. >Stephen >- Original Message - >From: James Osbourne, Holmes >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 11:27 PM >Subject: RE: CS Makers> measurment of Ag colloid mg/L > > >> Hi Stephen, >> >> Yes, that is the issue; will the reagents either pull the atoms >> one-at-a-time off the clump, or will it dissolve the clump. >> >> Hach tech tried digestion with Ag sol, and the results were not reliable; >> without digesting, the process worked accurately and consistently. But I >> still wonder. >> >> James Osbourne Holmes >> a...@trail.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Stephen Quinto [SMTP:squi...@mindspring.com] >> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 2:06 PM >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: CS Makers> measurment of Ag colloid mg/L >> >> James, >> If you rely upon ionizing the particles so they react with the reagents in >> order to get a spectrophotometer reading, then you have to completely >> "digest" the sample; otherwise your reading is transient, hence >> inconclusive. >> Stephen >> >> - Original Message - >> From: James Osbourne, Holmes >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 2:51 PM >> Subject: RE: CS Makers> measurment of Ag colloid mg/L >> >> >> > Re: Measuring the color and absorbency of sols. >> > "If the particle size is so small as to not transmit a color, how would >a >> > colorimeter possibly be used to accurately determine concentration? >> There >> > is a direct contradiction here." >> > You react the Ag with substance(s) which create another compound in >> direct >> > proportion to the available silver, and then measure with a >photodetector >> > how much light gets through. It is usually expressed in "absorbance", >or >> > how much light did not get through the sample. >> > One is the inverse of the other, but there is a math consideration which >> > makes absorbance easier to work with. >> > The color solution---in my case, a clear magenta/purple---can be >> eyeballed >> > after some experience within a few PPM-mg/l after the color forms as >the >> > silver is added to the prepared reagents. >> > In the pre-electronic age it was done by visually comparing the strength >> of >> > the color sample of the unknown with a stable prepared set of solutions >> in >> > sealed tubes representing various concentrations. >> > The instrument is zeroed to 100% transmission using a bleached [sodium >> > thiosulfate, same a photo bleach] sample of the reacted silver which is >a >> > clear medium yellow, and the readout is set to Zero. Then a test tube >or >> > cuvette of the colored sample replaces the "blank" and the amount of >> light >> > absorbed is read. >> > The measurement is made with light of a specific frequency [expressed in >> nM >> > of wavelength; i.e. color] so that you are only measuring that light >> > absorbed by the reaction product. >> > I know that I am calibrated correctly for Silver Nitrate [strongly >> ionized >> > monatomic Ag] because I can take a sample of ACS grade silver nitrate >> > which has been diluted precisely with class A volumetric flasks and >> > precision pipettes to 4.0 mg/l and the Spec reads 4.0. That is how I >> > created the slope on the graph with Absorbance up the X and >concentration >> > on the Y axis, by measuring the absorbance of 6 different precise >> > dilutions . This forms a "curve" which is really a straight line [the >> > process I am using is basically linear]. I used Excell [any >spreadsheet, >> > graphing program will probably have the same function available] to do a >> > linear regression on the string of points to make a best-fit straight >> line >> > for the graph. >> > Bob Berger gave me a great tip. Lacking a program to construct the >line, >> > view the dots representing the individual measurements at a very low >> > angle, [as in placing your head very near the surface on which the paper >> is >> >
Re: CS>Colour and silver oxide (long) was CS Makers.
Marshall, Have looked at HVAC colloid and, yes, it does have alot of particulate silver that is dispersed. But it also has significant agglomeration and some of the agglomerates are crystalline in form. Aswell, the distortion in form reflects the brutality of using such high votage. The particles are distended and obtuse, rather like the delirium that accompanies fever, and quite large. I have become a believer in the symphony of nature, and force (voltage in this case) must be applied with discretion and gentleness (to the extent that it is possible) if you want a result that is optimally beneficial. The HVAC product we looked at was ordered over the net and was as expected, clear with a significant TE, so the agglomerates were clearly available in the laser. >From an efficacy point of view, to date the LVDC product does better therapeutically that HVAC. But more on that when we have new data to apply to the argument. Stephen -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 5:14 PM Subject: Re: CS>Colour and silver oxide (long) was CS Makers. >Stephen Quinto wrote: > >> I think it was Marshall who pointed out that AC reverses polarity at the >> rate of 60 cycles per second, at least here in the States. And that >> consequently there is no anode and cathode since each electrode alternates >> in that role. >> The implication being that the colloidal particles that might otherwise (in >> a DC process for example) possess the charge that gives them the catalytic >> quality of a true colloid as opposed to the flatter or neutral qualities of >> elemental silver may be lacking. >> Stephen > >I do not believe this analysis is correct. > >I believe the situation must be analysed as a dynamic situation, as opposed to >a static, or near static situation as can the LVDC method. > >Two things happen differently with HVAC. First, since the polarity is >continually alternating, both oxygen and hydrogen are generated at each >electrode. Since both of these elements are much more active chemically than >silver, they react with each other, instead of reacting with the silver. This >is why HVAC can produce clear CS with no tarnishing of the electrodes and no >production of sludge or other compounds of silver. > >The second important thing that happens is that we put a strong electric charge >on the silver ion as it leaves the anode. The strong field of several thousand >volts per inch causes the ion to quickly leave the area next to the electrode >where the silver ion density is so high as to cause rapid aggregation into >unduly large particles. However some aggregation does take place. > >So we end up with positively charged particles that leave the anode as ions but >quickly become particles of some number of atoms each. This is true also of >the LVDC method, although the rate at which the ions move away from the anode >is about 1,000 times faster for the HVAC method due to the higher voltage. In >the HVAC method at some point the polarity switches and the particles are >attracted back toward the electrode. However there are 3 effects that prevent >the vast majority of particles from reaching the electrode, which now is the >cathode. > >1. Particle size. Ions can travel faster than the larger colloidal >particles. Since they left the electrode as ions, then aggregated somewhat a >distance from the electrode, the rate at which they moved away from the >electrode is faster than the rate at which they return. > >2. Charge. Each particle has a positive charge on it. Thus each particle >reacts to a sum of the electric field provided by the voltage on the electrodes >PLUS an additional force of dispersion from an area of higher concentration to >that of a lower concentration. This also results in a higher velocity of the >particles away from the electrode, than toward it. > >3. Convection. HVAC put significant amounts of energy in the water near the >electrodes. This results in heating of this area, and strong convection >currents which carry the particles away from the electrode toward cooler areas. > >The result is that a colloid can be produced that has no sludge, and has highly >charged particles. > >Bless you, > >Marshall > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour >
