date:20020823

Re: CSbrewing

2002-08-23 Thread Ode Coyote

At 10:33 AM 8/21/02 -0400, you wrote:

Thank you Ken for your input on my post.  I guess the hot plate is too
much, considering I'm also using a bubbler and spiking the solution.  You
suggest running the procedure longer to get more of a TE.  Is this
dissolving more silver into the solution or adding more particles?
### More ions, which convert to particles.
Ions are in solution, carry a full positive charge.  Particles are in
suspension and carry either a partial positive charge or no charge..partial
in that not all the atoms in a cluster making up a particle have a charge.
Ions are too small to reflect [refract?] visible light, so, are invisible
and don't contribute to a TE...but do conduct electricity, unlike particles
in suspension.
 Particles are what you see in a TE and are formed from ions. All electro
colloidla silver comes off the electrodes as ions at first, then form
particles. Were the so called ion cloud actually ions, the cloud would be
invisible. The trick is to get them to form small particles.

 Stirring by bubbling, using a stir stick or inducing thermal water
currents tends to isolate the ions into small groups so they will not clump
into larger particles by orienting them with the water in a uniform
fashion. The water molecules isolate the ion clusters from each other till
they form stable particles which go into suspension. [hydration]
 If the water is too energetic [hot] excessive motion can overcome the
isolating effect causing collisions between particles and larger particle
colloids can form [yellow]
There is a boundary layer around the electrode where certain things happen
as well. Stirring..or using a rotating electrode.. disrupts this boundary
layer.
 Everything happens at inter dependent rates. If the hydration rates are
increased, ion production rates can be incresed as well and still get the
same result, but, everything has it's limits. Stir too fast and particles
collide with the hydrogen producing electrode and silver particles get
stuck onto the surface tension of those bubbles as they form resulting in
the dreaded grey fuzzies.  I've never done a bubbler setup, so I don't know
if bubbling can make grey fuzzies.

I noticed that when I spike the solution using one of my clear
(bubbler-made) solutions AND don't turn on the bubbler, it takes much
longer to get to the point of the 'wisps' than if I use one of my
non-bubbler (yellow) solutions to start the new batch.When I use a
yellow solution, it only takes a fraction of the time for the 'wisps' to
appear.
##  This is because the yellow stuff is stronger and more conductive.  It
probably has a similar ion to colloid ratio but is stronger all around.
 It's stronger in the same amount of run time because ions form pathways in
a non stirred setup where only the water between the electrodes is being
ionized.  Runaway occurs very fast within the ion pathway and you see
golden whisps.  [If the current/ ion production rate is reduced , you'll
see white whisps.] The rate of ion production is overcoming the rate of
hydration within the ion path, ions and larger particles are forming at
runaway speed.
 When using some sort of stirring, the ion path is disrupted as it forms
and the entire container of water is being ionized at the same time..so, it
will take much longer to reach a runaway rate of production and the higher
concentration.
 Timing a batch from the start is by no means an accurate way to determine
PPM of either ions OR particles.

I've read that the dissolved silver doesn't carry the positive charge like
the silver particles do.
##  Dissolved silver is ionic and carrys a full charge. But ions are highly
reactive, tending to form silver compounds more easily.  Particles can have
a partial charge but are not as chemically reactive in body fluids such as
hydrochloric acid. No one is entirely certain how either one does what it
does..or exactly what that might be. My best guess is that both particles
and ions are good for different circumstances encountered and neither are
harmful. Like, who cares what's in the shot gun if it knocks out the
intruder and doesn't make a bunch of holes in the hallway.

  And that something like 80% of the CS are silver
ions, and the particle silver is only 20%.  Would longer brewing using the
bubbler raise this percentage to over 80% of dissolved silver?  Is this
good or bad?
## I believe that would be so.  The weaker CS batches will be more like 90%
ionic because the saturation point in the water is far from being reached,
whereas, the stronger the batch, the more ions go particulate.
But there will always be some percentage of ionic content.
 I have been unable to nail down just what the saturation point in water
is...just that it varys with temperature, is affected by degrees of
hydration of ions and who knows what else... and collisions can throw all
observations off track.  There's just too many different things happening
and too many different things that can happen to draw any precise

Re: CSmgda

2002-08-23 Thread Ode Coyote

The connecting thread is that your friend agreed to the outrageous charges. No one forced that. Both parties voluntarily participated for their own reasons.

There is a common belief that you get what you pay for, so, some folks don't believe that anything that is inexpensive can have any great value. With that thought in mind...it doesn't.

People who buy Volvos and Mercedes, which the average Toyota will match or outlast, have that mind set.
A Mercedes water pump at $260 is exactly the same as a $60 Toyota water pump. Why does the Mercedes owner think he/she is getting a good deal?
I don't care.

Mind set and belief system.
Misperceptions held dearly, looking for validation. Certainty by denial looking for something to hide the ommission behind.

WE all do what works for us, no matter how crazy it may seem to someone else.
I could call you anything I want and you will still think what you think.
I could say look here and your eyes will still do what YOU want them to.
I think I have better things to do than engage in frustration plays.
I have enough trouble changing my own mind without wasting my energies trying to change yours.

So, in the vain attempt to change someone else into believing a whole genre of people are evil with no exceptions, what evil are you avoiding in you?
It's all too obvious that there's something hidden from self. Words said about another are a mirror of the speakers internal state of affairs.

Carry on! {Oh , how we pointlessly carry on}
Ken

At 01:42 PM 8/21/02 EDT, you wrote:

In a message dated 8/21/2002 1:28:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ccr...@maine.rr.com writes:

This is really outrageous. You have based your assessment of
where people live, and their life experiences on a person's lack of
confirmation on your assumption that she or he was charged by a
physician for a service rendered. Are you beginning to see the
insanity of this yet?

The entire medical community is corrupted because man is corrupted. When profits are so high, the evil is there.

My friend had chelation done for 5 grand. The needle costs 4 cents. The chelate costs 10 bucks. Where is the 5 grand? You can say this is OK but it's not OK.

I think you are part of the corruption. That's why you defend it and try to make me the bad guy. Mark my words if you do not learn the hard way on this.

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