Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
All I ever heard about Rosemary is that she took silver-bearing nose drops for several years for sinus trouble. Probably not life- threatening, and nothing so complicated as you're speculation below. They were obviously some form of silver salts, with high enough concentration to exceed her body's eliminative mechanism over time and cause generalized argyria. The patchiness on her face was caused by a ham-fisted attempt at dermabrasion by another highly qualified (NOT!) physician. Be well, Mike D. OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare scam. the first one : DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information ... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... Melioidosis, also called Whitmores disease, is an infectious disease caused by the ... www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k snip Why has melioidosis become a current issue? Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered as a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. snip Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
Hi, I would like to ask: Suppose, we have two CS batches with the particles of the same size, they differ in concentration only. The first has 10 ppm and the second has (to simplify the example) has 20 ppm of concentration. Everywhere you can hear, that the CS with higher concentration has much more efficacy. BUT WHY Realize: If you take two teaspoons of the 10 ppm CS, your silver intake shall be the same as if you take 1 teaspoon of the 20 ppm CS. Or am I wrong? Where is the mistake? Many thanks Pavel Hochmut -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMy Second Batch
Hello again, MA! My first batch was 32 oz brewed for one hour. I made a batch today- 32 oz brewed for 2 hours with no heat. During that period I had to clean the rods three times because of the *fuzz*. Is this a normal thing? My end result is quite clear. I hope to find a laser pen tomorrow, so I will have some idea of the TE. Thanks again for your very helpful suggestions! -Raine marmar...@aol.com wrote: *The spacing that works well for me is the width of the neck of a Mason jar -- about 2. I just always do well using a one-quart Mason jar. And I think I gave you a bad steer in my previous post -- I was thinking that a quart was 16 ozs. and it's 32 ozs. That's what you started with, right? There's nothing at all wrong with your set-up -- you just need to give it more time than your original try at 1 hour. If you skip the heating, you'll have an easier time of controlling the situation. What you want at the end of brewing is a clear colloid, slightly metallic in taste and if you can afford an inexpensive laser penlight and you shine it into the colloid, you should see the light *beam*, not an entire lighted up jar of water. There's no telling how many ppms you will have produced -- anywhere from 5 to 15 will be my guess -- and it's all good. That's about it. I don't know why I've got this large font all of a sudden -- sorry. MA*
CSRe[2]: CSMy Second Batch
Hi Raine, Yes that is normal. I clean my rods more often than that. they bulid up fuzz faster as the concentration goes up. Agter several hours you cant clean them fast enough nad then I stop the precess, it makse me very strang CS that is totally clear. and lasts a long time in the cupboard, it never turns grey or golden. I jsut use two 99.999 siver rods of 12 gauge and have it connected to a 30 volt DC wall wart, and I bubble air through the water while it going. I have made it as high as 53 ppm measured with a Hanna TDS meter, mostly though it comes out between 25 and 30 ppm. I make it in a 32 Oz jar also. using Kmart distilled water that measures 1 PPM when I start. the bubbling provides stirring so that the concentration aronud the electrodes remains even with the surronuding water all the time. I imagine tha has a simialar effect on the process, as a constant current device, by not letting too much conduction happen in the immediate area of the electrodes. thats my theory about it anyway. Take care, V Hello again, MA! My first batch was 32 oz brewed for one hour. I made a batch today- 32 oz brewed for 2 hours with no heat. During that period I had to clean the rods three times because of the *fuzz*. Is this a normal thing? My end result is quite clear. I hope to find a laser pen tomorrow, so I will have some idea of the TE. Thanks again for your very helpful suggestions! -Raine marmar...@aol.com wrote: *The spacing that works well for me is the width of the neck of a Mason jar -- about 2. I just always do well using a one-quart Mason jar. And I think I gave you a bad steer in my previous post -- I was thinking that a quart was 16 ozs. and it's 32 ozs. That's what you started with, right? There's nothing at all wrong with your set-up -- you just need to give it more time than your original try at 1 hour. If you skip the heating, you'll have an easier time of controlling the situation. What you want at the end of brewing is a clear colloid, slightly metallic in taste and if you can afford an inexpensive laser penlight and you shine it into the colloid, you should see the light *beam*, not an entire lighted up jar of water. There's no telling how many ppms you will have produced -- anywhere from 5 to 15 will be my guess -- and it's all good. That's about it. I don't know why I've got this large font all of a sudden -- sorry. MA* -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe[2]: CSMy Second Batch
Thank so much, V. It's good to know that others have this fuzz issue. How long do you brew? -Raine V wrote: Hi Raine, Yes that is normal. I clean my rods more often than that. they bulid up fuzz faster as the concentration goes up. Agter several hours you cant clean them fast enough nad then I stop the precess, it makse me very strang CS that is totally clear. and lasts a long time in the cupboard, it never turns grey or golden. I jsut use two 99.999 siver rods of 12 gauge and have it connected to a 30 volt DC wall wart, and I bubble air through the water while it going. I have made it as high as 53 ppm measured with a Hanna TDS meter, mostly though it comes out between 25 and 30 ppm. I make it in a 32 Oz jar also. using Kmart distilled water that measures 1 PPM when I start. the bubbling provides stirring so that the concentration aronud the electrodes remains even with the surronuding water all the time. I imagine tha has a simialar effect on the process, as a constant current device, by not letting too much conduction happen in the immediate area of the electrodes. thats my theory about it anyway. Take care, V
CSRe[2]: CSRe[2]: CSMy Second Batch
Hi Raine, Well I havent timed it much, but I image somewhere between 2 to 4 hours sometimes longer. I just go by how often I have to clean and occasionally I check it with the TDS meter. Each batch varies with time and strength Take care, V Thank so much, V. It's good to know that others have this fuzz issue. How long do you brew? -Raine V wrote: Hi Raine, Yes that is normal. I clean my rods more often than that. they bulid up fuzz faster as the concentration goes up. Agter several hours you cant clean them fast enough nad then I stop the precess, it makse me very strang CS that is totally clear. and lasts a long time in the cupboard, it never turns grey or golden. I jsut use two 99.999 siver rods of 12 gauge and have it connected to a 30 volt DC wall wart, and I bubble air through the water while it going. I have made it as high as 53 ppm measured with a Hanna TDS meter, mostly though it comes out between 25 and 30 ppm. I make it in a 32 Oz jar also. using Kmart distilled water that measures 1 PPM when I start. the bubbling provides stirring so that the concentration aronud the electrodes remains even with the surronuding water all the time. I imagine tha has a simialar effect on the process, as a constant current device, by not letting too much conduction happen in the immediate area of the electrodes. thats my theory about it anyway. Take care, V -- -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSilver saved Rosemary?
OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare scam. the first one : DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information ... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... Melioidosis, also called Whitmores disease, is an infectious disease caused by the ... www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k snip Why has melioidosis become a current issue? Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered as a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. snip Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
Thats what i thought too..im very interested to know why! Pavel Hochmut ho...@cbox.cz wrote:Hi, I would like to ask: Suppose, we have two CS batches with the particles of the same size, they differ in concentration only. The first has 10 ppm and the second has (to simplify the example) has 20 ppm of concentration. Everywhere you can hear, that the CS with higher concentration has much more efficacy. BUT WHY Realize: If you take two teaspoons of the 10 ppm CS, your silver intake shall be the same as if you take 1 teaspoon of the 20 ppm CS. Or am I wrong? Where is the mistake? Many thanks Pavel Hochmut -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: CSCS pneumonia protocol with air brush
Wallmart has an ultrasonic humidifier for about $35 Brand: Relion It puts out a really fine [adjustable] dense mist suitable for inhalation. [remove the filter] Not even counting that...It's the most awesomely best 'humidifier' I've ever seen. ode At 12:23 PM 4/22/2005 -0700, you wrote: I would be interested as well depending on final price. It beats giving money to a big company. I recently had a bad head cold that I cannot shake. Even with my use of colloidal silver. I believe a nebulizer would have helped immensely. Kent -Original Message- From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:42 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSCS pneumonia protocol with air brush I second the motion. I would be wiling to purchase a low-cost but well-made assembly. JBB On Friday, Apr 22, 2005, at 01:52 Asia/Tokyo, Vince Richter wrote: I'm sure that an enterprising individual could help several people by assembling and selling for a reasonable fee a complete apparatus for airbrush nebulizing minus the oxygen bottle. I for one would rather pay for this and save the time it would take to find, procure, and assemble the hoses and regulators etc... I'm sure I'm not alone. I'm perfectly capable of doing all this myself, but have not taken the time and probably won't until an alternative minded loved one is faced with a serious condition. I would like to have the apparatus before that happens. I realize this list is not for the commercial ventures of this nature, but an announcement of this availability and request for private email inquiries would seem to be appropriate. Maybe Mike would have a more preferred way of providing this service, but however it's done I would be interested in paying someone to provide this. Thanks, Vince -Original Message- From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:28 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS pneumonia protocol with air brush Tackling drug-resistant pneumonia with colloidal silver The procedure outlined here will work on any lung pathogen including anthrax; In fact, an M.D. in the USA has been using this type of procedure for 10 years and is proposing it for anthrax. Here it is, straight from the lab: The original problem manifested as a result of our fruitless search for some effective procedure for attacking the bilateral form of those bacterial pneumonias which have proved non-responsive to all of the antibiotic protocols. We have evaluated colloidal silver and many methods of its employment. Only one method was ever rapidly effective in an essentially terminal evaluation. The methodology employed in these experiments included the following protocol: Using a very fine particle nebulizer, a 25 psi to 35 psi, regulated O2 supply as the gas drive and a colloidal silver mixture compounded as follows: Starting with 8 ounces of 10 ppm colloidal silver (warmed to approx. 105 degrees F.) dissolve MSM in this solution to the point of saturation (until no more will go into solution); next add 20 per cent by volume of DMSO to the parent mixture. The complete report: http://philaero-wellness.com/content/view/160/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005
CSCS effectiveness
Everywhere you can hear, that the CS with higher concentration has much more efficacy. No, actually, I have seen no evidence that higher ppm equals more effectiveness. In 1989, when the UCLA School of Medicine tested CS against a range of viruses, they used 2-1/2 ppm and 5 ppm. They reported that 2-1/2 ppm CS kept the bacteria from reproducing and 5 ppm killed them outright (in 5 minutes). In 1999, when Brigham Young University tested CS against 16 different bacteria, they used the same strengths, with the same results. All the studies done in the last century that demonstrate the effectiveness of CS were done with 2-10 ppm CS. 10 ppm appears to be slightly more effective than 5 ppm, but greater strengths than that have not been demonstrated to be more effective. Last year, American Biotech reported success using 20 ppm CS against malaria, tuberculosis and anthrax, but I bet they would have had the same success with 10 ppm, or even 5 ppm. That is why folks ingesting CS made with three 9-volt batteries (which usually makes 5-10 ppm) have as good results as those with 10,000 volt, high ppm CS. Dead is dead. You cannot kill an ant better with a sledge hammer than with a tiny hammer. 10 ppm or 20 ppm or 500 ppm, the results appear to be similar. I am not referring to the sales pitch of those who sell super CS, but scientific studies such as those I have just mentioned. With the addition of H2O2, according to the reports from those folks who are experiencing success against MS, we seem to have a way to increase the effectiveness of CS. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSColloidal silver
Uhh, Mike said what you said. Key phrase: To an 'extent', they are correct You just took that to mean a 'great' extent. Extent was left purposefully undefined in degree and that degree does vary widely even in our own little CS niche. Heck, everything is a chaotic zoo...to some extent. Ode At 08:36 PM 4/23/2005 -0700, you wrote: Mike stated, . . . To an extent they are correct, in that alternative medicine, as it's practiced on the internet, is a chaotic zoo of conflicting claims, belligerant hucksterism, fanatical debunking, and utter lunacy. If you are looking for an excuse to dismiss the whole thing, you *will* be able to find all the justification that you need. I'm sorry, I had to read the specific paragraph of your post several times to allow the shock that YOU actually wrote that sink in, and take time to let the sting of your opinion wear off. I found your one particular paragraph astonishing, embarrasing, and ill-stated. I am wondering what an intelligent person such as yourself is thinking. If you are going to slam an industry with hundreds of thousands of dedicated and competent people devoting their lives to it, it would be most appreciated that you state TO WHAT EXTENT you actually do mean. I come from 30 years of education, training, and experience working in this field of alternative and holistic health, and my experience is that like anything else, there are those who are quacks, hucksters, and people simply out to make a buck anyway they can. These people can be found in all industries, in all walks of life, and yes, on the internet, of course. But to say, that alternative medicine as it is practiced on the internet is . . . . ; I find very shallow, opinionated, and simply creating much more harm than good. It does a dis-service to those who are not in the above category, which by the way, are most; and provides an even greater loss to those who might have just tried alternative means to save their lives and the health themselves and their loved ones. But, because you are held in high regard, some people, not all, will take your word for it. CS is not the only possibility for health and wellness. Sasha Stein, Ph.D. Energy Psychology and Meridian Therapy http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=54475>Add FUN to your email - CLICK HERE! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005
Re: CSCS effectiveness
...so Terry, what do you think about the use of cs as the preservative in vaccinations, particularly those for children [shots] where there is the great concern for the mercury preservative maybe causing autisim?? davido On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 05:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca writes: Everywhere you can hear, that the CS with higher concentration has much more efficacy. No, actually, I have seen no evidence that higher ppm equals more effectiveness. In 1989, when the UCLA School of Medicine tested CS against a range of viruses, they used 2-1/2 ppm and 5 ppm. They reported that 2-1/2 ppm CS kept the bacteria from reproducing and 5 ppm killed them outright (in 5 minutes). In 1999, when Brigham Young University tested CS against 16 different bacteria, they used the same strengths, with the same results. All the studies done in the last century that demonstrate the effectiveness of CS were done with 2-10 ppm CS. 10 ppm appears to be slightly more effective than 5 ppm, but greater strengths than that have not been demonstrated to be more effective. Last year, American Biotech reported success using 20 ppm CS against malaria, tuberculosis and anthrax, but I bet they would have had the same success with 10 ppm, or even 5 ppm. That is why folks ingesting CS made with three 9-volt batteries (which usually makes 5-10 ppm) have as good results as those with 10,000 volt, high ppm CS. Dead is dead. You cannot kill an ant better with a sledge hammer than with a tiny hammer. 10 ppm or 20 ppm or 500 ppm, the results appear to be similar. I am not referring to the sales pitch of those who sell super CS, but scientific studies such as those I have just mentioned. With the addition of H2O2, according to the reports from those folks who are experiencing success against MS, we seem to have a way to increase the effectiveness of CS. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSoff topic - humour regarding drug companies
Top 10 reasons why we need drug companies 1. Cures: We need drug companies to keep finding cures for major diseases. Look at all the cures they've found so far like... well... okay, they haven't actually found any cures yet. But maybe they can at least cure all the bogus diseases they made up like social anxiety disorder and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. 2. National Security: U.S. drug companies are crucial for protecting our national security by banning prescription drugs from untrusty drug countries like Canada. 3. The Economy: never mind that most pharmaceutical companies sell useless products at ridiculous prices. All that money changing hands is great for the economy. You may be diseased, but think on the bright side: your Big Pharma stocks are soaring! (With all that money, you might even be able to afford health insurance...) 4. Doctors: Without the pharmaceutical companies, what would all the doctors do for work? After all, most so-called medicine involves little more than scribbling out a prescription for the latest mass-advertised drug. Without drugs, doctors might actually have to TALK to patients. Horrors! 5. Ethics: With Enron gone, we need a new, national example of strong ethics that properly communicate the essence of American corporate greed. Pharmaceutical companies could make Enron look like the Girl Scouts. 6. Political Fundraising: We need drug companies to support the re-election efforts of national leaders. 7. Publishers: Without drug company advertising, who would support all the newspaper and magazine publishers in this country? After all, many print publications are now little more than pro-drug infomercial rags dressed up to look like credible news magazines. 8. Patient Responsibility: Without drug companies shifting health responsibility away from patients, the people would actually have to think for themselves and take control of their own health. That's simply too much to ask from a dumbed-down population. 9. The Environment: Drug companies set an excellent example of fair and balanced environmental policy, which is why antidepressant drugs are now showing up in the water supply. Their new environmental slogan? You take it, you flush it, we fuggedaboutit! 10. The Elderly: Everybody agrees we need honest U.S. businesses to look out for the interests of our elders. Pharmaceutical companies handle this with finesse by taking over the full monthly incomes of most retired folks. It's a genuine public service. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Reflexology for diabetes
My apologies as I know it's off topic but when i asked about CS for diabetes, someone said they had information about reflexology curing diabetes. I forgot who said it, but could you write me privately please. thank you Callie
Re: CSoff topic - humour regarding drug companies
In a message dated 4/25/2005 9:03:29 AM Central Daylight Time, smjli...@cox.net writes: But maybe they can at least cure all the bogus diseases they made up like social anxiety disorder and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. ADHD is not real? Not being sarcastic. Callie
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
It has to do with absorption area. 20 PPM will be absorbed better over a smaller area in less time than 10 PPM. This is mostly important if sublingual absorption is the goal. Otherwise, there's plenty of area and exposure time to go around even for 5 PPM. Ode At 08:35 AM 4/25/2005 +0200, you wrote: Hi, I would like to ask: Suppose, we have two CS batches with the particles of the same size, they differ in concentration only. The first has 10 ppm and the second has (to simplify the example) has 20 ppm of concentration. Everywhere you can hear, that the CS with higher concentration has much more efficacy. BUT WHY Realize: If you take two teaspoons of the 10 ppm CS, your silver intake shall be the same as if you take 1 teaspoon of the 20 ppm CS. Or am I wrong? Where is the mistake? Many thanks Pavel Hochmut -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005
Re: CSCS pneumonia protocol with air brush
In a message dated 4/25/05 4:14:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, odecoy...@alltel.net writes: Wallmart has an ultrasonic humidifier for about $35 Brand: Relion It puts out a really fine [adjustable] dense mist suitable for inhalation. [remove the filter] Not even counting that...It's the most awesomely best 'humidifier' I've ever seen. ode Ode, I have both the Walgreen ($20.00) and the Omron humidifier($50.00w dsc). They both are excellent. You say remove the filter on the Walgreen one--I tried, and the machine will not run. Tell me how you achieved success?! Pete
Re: CSoff topic - humour regarding drug companies
Many many alternative folks believe this is so. Believe that the disease is simply what happens to a young body and brain chemically polluted by its environment. Many folks cure themselves of this condition by simply removing the toxins, as much as possible, from their homes, and by changing their diets to natural whole organic foods, no preservatives or processed foods of any kind. My guess is that it is an oversimplification to say ADHD doesn't exist or isn't real. The presentatin of symptoms does exist. But at the very least drugs are far far far overprescribed for this condition. It has become a catch all excuse for medicating kids. Joy ADHD is not real? Not being sarcastic. Callie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy From: Pavel Hochmut Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 23:40:55 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79764.html Hi, I would like to ask: Suppose, we have two CS batches with the particles of the same size, they differ in concentration only. The first has 10 ppm and the second has (to simplify the example) has 20 ppm of concentration. Everywhere you can hear, that the CS with higher concentration has much more efficacy. BUT WHY Realize: If you take two teaspoons of the 10 ppm CS, your silver intake shall be the same as if you take 1 teaspoon of the 20 ppm CS. Or am I wrong? Where is the mistake? Many thanks Pavel Hochmut Hi Pavel, I can attest to the fact that higher ionic cs is much more effective. Some time ago, I got Shingles. I wrote a report and posted it to the web (caution, graphic photos) http://www.geocities.com/mrmonett/shingles/0shin.htm As described in the article, I used to make and drink 8 oz each day. However, it was fairly weak, perhaps 8uS or so, and contained lots of silver hydroxide that coated the electrodes, left deposits on the bottom of the glass, and plated out on the sides of the glass. The silver hydroxide is formed in the Nernst diffusion layer next to the electrodes, and occurs when silver ions combine with the hydroxyl ions: Ag(+) + OH(-) -- AgOH Silver hydroxide is inert and insoluble as shown here: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79117.html and http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78851.html The cs managed to kill the Shingles, but it came back. It left painful, bleeding sores that made taking a shower a difficult decision. One weekend, I experimented with different electrode configurations, going from straight rods to a J form, then to a U form. Each time, I was able to show the ionic concentration increased by using the salt test. On Monday, the cs was about twice as strong, but I didn't know what it would do if I drank it, so I only held it in my mouth for a while and spit it out. Three days later, the Shingles sores dried up and fell off. A cute Russian girl and her son were living with me. He brought home very strong viruses from contact with the girls. These caused cold sores that the original cs barely handled, but the stronger cs killed them immediately. I experimented further, and developed the Godzilla cs generator that produces 2 Litres of 21.5uS cs: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62053.html Instead of drinking 8 oz each day, only 1 oz held in the mouth was needed. This proved effective against all manner of cold and flu viruses, but it had no effect on the terrible headaches and other symptoms I get from exposure to mold toxins. I then developed a dual-chamber cs generator that produces 54uS cs: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78983.html It is the only thing I have found that has any effect on the symptoms caused by the toxins. I take 50 mL, or about 1.7 US fluid ounces and hold it in my mouth for 10 minutes, then swallow it. Very soon afterwards, the headaches disappear. But it only lasts for 6 to 12 hours, then I need to take another dose. So my personal experience tells me that ionic cs works better than cs with lots of silver oxide, and the higher uS readings are much more effective. Others who add H2O2 to their cs also mention it works better. The H2O2 clears the yellow tint by dissolving the silver hydroxide particles back to ions, which increases the effectiveness since more ions are available: 2AgOH + H2O2 -- 2Ag(+) + O2 + 2H2O As to why a stronger cs works better than a larger quantity of a weak cs, it may have something to do with how the body accepts the ions. If you add salt to a small amount of cs, it turns white as the silver and chloride combine. If you let it sit in strong light, it turns black as the chlorine gives up an electron which converts the silver ion back to an atom. If you put some cs in a glass and add saliva, it turns white. But if you let it sit in strong light, it turns purple. If you keep it in a dark place, it stays white. Somehow the proteins in the saliva combine with the silver to make a different substance than ordinary silver chloride. So the silver ions do not work the same in the body as they do in a petri dish, and we have no idea how the body actually works with the silver ions. But it is clear a stronger ionic solution is much more effective than a weaker one. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive:
Re: CSColloidal silver home treatments versus know-it-all-docs
My wife had type II and we did not find that EIS/CS helped her at all. She was only able to get rid of it with the Adkins diet. Marshall mycjwo...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/22/2005 10:22:52 AM Central Standard Time, yr...@cfl.rr.com writes: Please read my Site Blogspot which contains 3 Free pages of CS Uses and 1 page of my Favorites to which I refer often. Good CS, properly made, really does work--I have seen God use CS to do much of His Healing including Bladder Cancer. Learn from these Hi, I'm new looking for any stories on colloidal silver helping diabetes. Thank you. Callie
Re: CSMike Devour's Media Blackout comment. . .
Jonathan B. Britten wrote: This comment will quickly to Off Topic if it goes anywhere, but here goes. It pertains to blackout as mentioned by our moderator. For some time now, i have routinely been asking friends whom I know to be intelligent, well-informed, and highly literate whether or not they are aware that a third large NYC building pancaked to a neat pile of rubble on 9/11/2001. Yes, it was building 7 I think. A couple of days after the towers it went down, obviously by explosive. The thinking from those I have spoken with is that it was suppose to go down at the same time as the towers, the explosives worked on them, but that building's explosives did not blow for some reason. They found the problem and decided it would be easier to explain that the building was damaged by the vibrations of the towers falling (a very mild earthaquake indeed) and eventually fell, than to explain why there were explosives in the building if they left it standing when it got inspected later. That is only one of many glaring holes in their story that I have found or seen. Almost without exception, thus far, the answer has been no. I myself, despite watching a lot of news coverage and reading countless articles, found out about the WTC7 collapse while surfing the Internet, several years after the event. I saw it on CNN, they covered it quite well at the time it was blown. Since that time, I have very much been hoping for some compelling explanation for this event; thus far, nothing. The mainstream media does not mention WTC7. I find this troubling. A recent Washington Post article covering the latest (unconvincing) story about the reason for the Twin Towers collapses had not a single word about the WTC7. This is an egregious oversight, at best. They have no explaination that fits in the Storey they are pushing. I assume that NY newspapers, at least, have spilled a lot of ink about WTC7, but nothing much comes up on my Google searches. See for yourself and see what you think. If anyone can educate me and make me feel better about what I perceive to be very troubling allegations on the web site below, I would love to hear from you. See: http://wtc7.net/ If there are Off-Topic replies, please give me a heads-up. I will take a look at it when I get a chance. Marshall JBB On Sunday, Apr 24, 2005, at 10:37 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote: And where does that resistance come from? More than anything else, I'd say it comes from the near-total blackout on coverage of alternative medicine in the corporate dominated media. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMike Devour's Media Blackout comment. . .
I can find no errors in that site, in fact it supports everything I had already figured out myself years ago. What do you find in that site that is nor factual? Marshall d227 wrote: Trash for the gullible such as you. I have a bridge you should buy. Dan - Original Message - From: Barbara barba...@tampabay.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: Re: CSMike Devour's Media Blackout comment. . . You may know this site already but maybe others want to read it too. Barbara http://www.worldnewsstand.net/03/John_Kaminski/52.htm -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFaith laser
Walgreens use to carry them, they are available many place on the net, and at office supply companies such as Staples, Office Max and Office Depot. Marshall Sarah wrote: Marshall, Where can we purchase the pointers? Thank you, Sarah in Tennessee - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 10:50 AM Subject: Re: CSFaith laser If you are testing for Tyndall, then you should not shake the bottle, that will stir up large flakes and specks. What you are looking for is Tyndall, not specks. See http://silver-lightning.com/tyndall/ for pictures. Marshall Deborah Gerard wrote: Hi Faith,I bought a laser light too...turned off the room light and shook the jar a little and could see the tiny silver specks, hope that helps.Debbie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
I must have missed seeing where anyone knows for certain Rosemary actually had this disease? Wasn't this just speculation in the original post? Just want to be clear, speculating can be extremely interesting, but treating a speculation as fact isn't very productive of much but myths, so it would be a good idea to keep being clear that this is a speculative idea, not a fact. In case someone comes in the middle of the thread. sol Tony Moody wrote: OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare scam. the first one : DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information ... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... Melioidosis, also called Whitmore’s disease, is an infectious disease caused by the ... www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k snip Why has melioidosis become a current issue? Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered as a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. snip -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
This is a really interesting question. Some members here report just as effective results with 10 ppm or even lower, as with higher ppm. Some report increased effectiveness with gatorade, or H202 added to their EIS, but many report equally good effectiveness with straight EIS. There is enough variability in EIS apart from the ppm that such variables may account for the differences. Or perhaps it is just individual responses to EIS that account for it. I do personally feed I get much better effectiveness from EIS that is around 20 uS (ppm) than EIS of 10 ppm. And for topical uses, for me, EIS of much higher than 20 uS (ppm) works much more effectively. It is also possible that I am just a confirmed believer in the more is better mindset. sol debbie cozens wrote: Thats what i thought too..im very interested to know why! Pavel Hochmut ho...@cbox.cz wrote: Everywhere you can hear, that the CS with higher concentration has much more efficacy. BUT WHY Realize: If you take two teaspoons of the 10 ppm CS, your silver intake shall be the same as if you take 1 teaspoon of the 20 ppm CS. Or am I wrong? Where is the mistake? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
Pavel Hochmut wrote: Hi, I would like to ask: Suppose, we have two CS batches with the particles of the same size, they differ in concentration only. The first has 10 ppm and the second has (to simplify the example) has 20 ppm of concentration. Everywhere you can hear, that the CS with higher concentration has much more efficacy. BUT WHY It would have twice as many particles, so it should be twice as effective. Realize: If you take two teaspoons of the 10 ppm CS, your silver intake shall be the same as if you take 1 teaspoon of the 20 ppm CS. Actually the particle content goes up by more than the amount of the ppm, as concentration increases, a larger percentage of the ionic silver becomes particulate silver. I would expect the 20 to have more than twice as many particles at 10 ppm Marshall Or am I wrong? Where is the mistake? Many thanks Pavel Hochmut -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
All I can say is she must be getting paid well. She is first messed up by a doctor giving her silver nitrate, then messed up more by one trying to do dermabration on her. So what does she do, she sides with the doctors against a natural way of curing thing that does not cause argyria and tries to say that it is what caused hers. The only reason I can think of that she would side those that did this to her and direct her accusations against a cure the doctors don't want people to know about is if they are paying her very very well. I hope the money is worth it for her, I am sure she will pay for this deception sometime. Marshall M. G. Devour wrote: All I ever heard about Rosemary is that she took silver-bearing nose drops for several years for sinus trouble. Probably not life- threatening, and nothing so complicated as you're speculation below. They were obviously some form of silver salts, with high enough concentration to exceed her body's eliminative mechanism over time and cause generalized argyria. The patchiness on her face was caused by a ham-fisted attempt at dermabrasion by another highly qualified (NOT!) physician. Be well, Mike D. OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare scam. the first one : DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information ... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... Melioidosis, also called Whitmores disease, is an infectious disease caused by the ... www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k snip Why has melioidosis become a current issue? Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered as a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. snip Tony -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
CSMaking the Silver List work for you...
Ruth wrote: Dear Joy, I am responding to your amusing post on the silver-list site, so am using that e-mail address. I am totally lost re how to use this site. Where do I find a basic explanation of what this CS stuff is? As it is, I am getting a multitude of messages daily, none of which make any sense to me. Would you , when you have time, clue me in to how to manage this better? Dear Ruth, You sent that message to the list address rather than Joy's. No harm, though, as it means I can give you some pointers! (I'm the list owner, so there's reasons why I should want to do it, besides the obvious one that I'm a nice person! grin) I'm sending a copy of this to you directly, *and* another to the list, so you'll probably see two copies of it. Don't worry about that. I just want to make sure you see it, and also want to share it with the group in case there are other new people who could benefit. The silver list is an e-mail based conversation amongst a bunch of people. Everybody who wants to say anything gets up, says it so the whole group hears it, then the next person, and so on. Each time a member posts to the list, copies of their message go out to all the subscribers. Being just a conversation, you either have to listen along until somebody says something you're interested in, or else *ask* about what's important to you to spur some comments in that direction. There are usually several different topics under discussion at any one time. So posts coming in one after another may be talking about any of several things, or something altogether new, or a topic that was talked about a few days ago that they're resurrecting now. Also, some of the posts will be chit chat, humor, or off-topic but interesting stuff that somebody brings up. I do not keep the topic extremely strictly on colloidal silver for a several reasons: One is that the group has thoroughly covered the main topic many times and it's only if a new person asks for help that there's much reason to cover it all again. Another reason is that some measure of chit-chat helps keep the place alive, friendly, and welcoming. (Too much, of course, wastes time and energy for people who may not have enough of either! It's my job to try to keep that balance.) A third reason is that people *always* bring up health related questions and some of the answers they deserve to hear are unrelated to Colloidal Silver. I encourage such questions and all relevant answers since that's really our mission, to help people. I only ask that the non-CS related stuff be ended or taken to our Off Topic list or private e-mail after basic information is given and initial curiosity is satisfied. Being that you're using Hotmail, I know that it is possible to set up a filter so that the many messages from the list will show up in a separate folder, rather than mixed together with the rest of your mail. It's under the Options link and Filtering or Sorting, I think. Learn to do that and you'll have a lot easier time keeping things straight. Also, look at the bottom of every message from the list. You'll see a footer there that includes several addresses of interest... Visit the Silver List web site to read the list rules and instructions for managing your subscription. Unfortunately, there's no CS information there, but the address of our web archives is there in the footer as well. You can do simple searches on various subjects and read more or less relevant messages going back as far as 1997! We have some very well informed and experienced people on this list, plus many helpful folks with their own stories to tell. It's a valuable resource, so it's worth some effort learning to use it, even as it's worth my effort to guide it. Any procedural questions or other needs you may have, please don't hesitate to contact me at mdev...@eskimo.com so I can help. Others on the list are likely to offer as well. Welcome to our little community. Be well! Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
Early on, about the same time I joined this list as an inquiring journalist, I interviewed Rosemary for my planned magazine piece (never produced because no one would buy it). I put the question to her in several different ways as to whether she was benefitting in any way from her opposition to CS, and she swore up and down to several different questions, that she was not and had not been paid by anyone to prompt her crusade. She said the only funds she ever took from anyone was one time she had her expenses to a new age fair paid for, so she could go and show everybody what happens when you consume CS. (She would not address the issue of validating her attack on CS when she doesn't even know what form of silver she consumed). Unless she was flat out lying to me, she isn't a paid shill for the pharmacartels, just one very misguided, bitter victim of argyria, who blindly blames CS for her problem. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 11:45 AM Subject: Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary? | All I can say is she must be getting paid well. She is first messed up by a | doctor giving her silver nitrate, then messed up more by one trying to do | dermabration on her. So what does she do, she sides with the doctors against | a natural way of curing thing that does not cause argyria and tries to say | that it is what caused hers. The only reason I can think of that she would | side those that did this to her and direct her accusations against a cure the | doctors don't want people to know about is if they are paying her very very | well. | | I hope the money is worth it for her, I am sure she will pay for this | deception sometime. | | Marshall | | M. G. Devour wrote: | | All I ever heard about Rosemary is that she took silver-bearing nose | drops for several years for sinus trouble. Probably not life- | threatening, and nothing so complicated as you're speculation below. | | They were obviously some form of silver salts, with high enough | concentration to exceed her body's eliminative mechanism over time and | cause generalized argyria. | | The patchiness on her face was caused by a ham-fisted attempt at | dermabrasion by another highly qualified (NOT!) physician. | | Be well, | | Mike D. | | OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch | put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on | melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! | | If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the | public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare | scam. | | the first one : | DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information | ... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... | Melioidosis, also | called Whitmore's disease, is an infectious disease caused by the ... | www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k | | snip | Why has melioidosis become a current issue? | | Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered | as a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. | snip | | Tony | | | -- | The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. | | Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org | | To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com | Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html | | Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com | OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html | | List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com | | | [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] | [mdev...@eskimo.com] | [Speaking only for myself... ] | |
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
So if she doesn't know what form of silver she used, why is it so often said she took/used silver nitrate? Is this a best guess someone made or is there some actual information somewhere? Seems like if this info was available, she would know what she took. IIRR I thought I read somewhere that it is thought by someone that she used a ground silver metal product, but my memory isn't great and that could be a mis-reading or confusion on my part. sol William Missett wrote: Early on, about the same time I joined this list as an inquiring journalist, I interviewed Rosemary for my planned magazine piece (never produced because no one would buy it). (She would not address the issue of validating her attack on CS when she doesn't even know what form of silver she consumed). -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSvaccinations CS
Davido said, ...so Terry, what do you think about the use of cs as the preservative in vaccinations, particularly those for children [shots] where there is the great concern for the mercury preservative maybe causing autisim?? Davido, I don't believe in the whole concept of vaccinations. Introducing some of the disease into the body to try to get it to prevent that disease in the future is a flawed medical concept. Many, many respectable scientists and medical authorities have soundly disputed this fallacy. If you must vaccinate, use homeopathic vaccinations, which are statisticly much more effective, and have no side affects. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsilver supplement and CS
A friend of mine wants to use CS (10ppm) but is worried as she is taking a supplement with silver in alreadyshould this be a problem?would and can she OD with CS??? Debbie Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
sol wrote: So if she doesn't know what form of silver she used, why is it so often said she took/used silver nitrate? I believe that information came from an FDA paper on it. Does anyone remember. I know that I read it WAS silver nitrate one or more places, but don't have the urls handy. Marshall Is this a best guess someone made or is there some actual information somewhere? Seems like if this info was available, she would know what she took. IIRR I thought I read somewhere that it is thought by someone that she used a ground silver metal product, but my memory isn't great and that could be a mis-reading or confusion on my part. sol William Missett wrote: Early on, about the same time I joined this list as an inquiring journalist, I interviewed Rosemary for my planned magazine piece (never produced because no one would buy it). (She would not address the issue of validating her attack on CS when she doesn't even know what form of silver she consumed). -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver supplement and CS
debbie cozens wrote: A friend of mine wants to use CS (10ppm) but is worried as she is taking a supplement with silver in alreadyshould this be a problem?would and can she OD with CS??? The LD 50% is about 3 to 5 gallons a day I believe. Look up the LD for water and that will tell you the maximum she can take. Marshall
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy From: Marshall Dudley Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:41:43 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79789.html Marshall, the archives were down and many posts do not appear. So if you have already answered these questions, please try again. Pavel Hochmut wrote: Hi, I would like to ask: Suppose, we have two CS batches with the particles of the same size, they differ in concentration only. The first has 10 ppm and the second has (to simplify the example) has 20 ppm of concentration. Everywhere you can hear, that the CS with higher concentration has much more efficacy. BUT WHY It would have twice as many particles, so it should be twice as effective. 1. What is your definition of a particle? 2. How are they formed? (I need balanced equations here) 3. How big are they? 4. Why should they all be the same size? 5. How do they kill bacteria? 6. How do they kill viruses? Realize: If you take two teaspoons of the 10 ppm CS, your silver intake shall be the same as if you take 1 teaspoon of the 20 ppm CS. Actually the particle content goes up by more than the amount of the ppm, as concentration increases, a larger percentage of the ionic silver becomes particulate silver. I would expect the 20 to have more than twice as many particles at 10 ppm I think there is a big question about this idea. What proof do you have? Marshall Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver supplement and CS
1 gallon = 4.5 lt..are you saying she will more so drown before the consumption of CS will kill her hmmm heard that before..or am i being totally stupid? what is LD of water? Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:debbie cozens wrote: A friend of mine wants to use CS (10ppm) but is worried as she is taking a supplement with silver in alreadyshould this be a problem?would and can she OD with CS??? The LD 50% is about 3 to 5 gallons a day I believe. Look up the LD for water and that will tell you the maximum she can take. Marshall Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
Sorry to be so 'new' at this..what is EIS??? sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote:This is a really interesting question. Some members here report just as effective results with 10 ppm or even lower, as with higher ppm. Some report increased effectiveness with gatorade, or H202 added to their EIS, but many report equally good effectiveness with straight EIS. There is enough variability in EIS apart from the ppm that such variables may account for the differences. Or perhaps it is just individual responses to EIS that account for it. I do personally feed I get much better effectiveness from EIS that is around 20 uS (ppm) than EIS of 10 ppm. And for topical uses, for me, EIS of much higher than 20 uS (ppm) works much more effectively. It is also possible that I am just a confirmed believer in the more is better mindset. sol debbie cozens wrote: Thats what i thought too..im very interested to know why! Pavel Hochmut wrote: Everywhere you can hear, that the CS with higher concentration has much more efficacy. BUT WHY Realize: If you take two teaspoons of the 10 ppm CS, your silver intake shall be the same as if you take 1 teaspoon of the 20 ppm CS. Or am I wrong? Where is the mistake? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: CSoff topic - humour regarding drug companies
Dear Joy, I am responding to your amusing post on the silver-list site, so am using that e-mail address. I am totally lost re how to use this site. Where do I find a basic explanation of what this CS stuff is? As it is, I am getting a multitude of messages daily, none of which make any sense to me. Would you , when you have time, clue me in to how to manage this better? I don't have time to access each and every one of the posts. Did enjoy yours. Add IBS to the "umbrella" terms used by health professionals these days. I heartily agree with the idea that the medical profession routinelyprescribes all sorts of medications without any real idea of what they may do in an individual person's body. Even Mayos seems to do this. It upsets me that a gastroenterologist at Mayos didn't seem to be aware that a biopsy taken when the patient has been on a celiac diet for 8 months is not likely to show villi damage. Of course, on the other hand, I do know from this that the under the ribcage pain doesn't seem to be helped by my present regime. However, I do not intend to stop the SCD diet at present. Love, Mom. From Ruth StrackbeinFrom: Joy smjli...@cox.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSoff topic - humour regarding drug companies Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:02:37 -0500 Top 10 reasons why we need drug companies 1. Cures: We need drug companies to keep finding cures for major diseases. Look at all the cures they've found so far like... well... okay, they haven't actually found any cures yet. But maybe they can at least cure all the bogus diseases they made up like "social anxiety disorder" and "attention deficit hyperactivity disorder." 2. National Security: U.S. drug companies are crucial for protecting our national security by banning prescription drugs from untrusty drug countries like Canada. 3. The Economy: never mind that most pharmaceutical companies sell useless products at ridiculous prices. All that money changing hands is great for the economy. You may be diseased, but think on the bright side: your Big Pharma stocks are soaring! (With all that money, you might even be able to afford health insurance...) 4. Doctors: Without the pharmaceutical companies, what would all the doctors do for work? After all, most so-called "medicine" involves little more than scribbling out a prescription for the latest mass-advertised drug. Without drugs, doctors might actually have to TALK to patients. Horrors! 5. Ethics: With Enron gone, we need a new, national example of strong ethics that properly communicate the essence of American corporate greed. Pharmaceutical companies could make Enron look like the Girl Scouts. 6. Political Fundraising: We need drug companies to support the re-election efforts of national leaders. 7. Publishers: Without drug company advertising, who would support all the newspaper and magazine publishers in this country? After all, many print publications are now little more than pro-drug infomercial rags dressed up to look like credible news magazines. 8. Patient Responsibility: Without drug companies shifting health responsibility away from patients, the people would actually have to think for themselves and take control of their own health. That's simply too much to ask from a dumbed-down population. 9. The Environment: Drug companies set an excellent example of fair and balanced environmental policy, which is why antidepressant drugs are now showing up in the water supply. Their new environmental slogan? "You take it, you flush it, we fuggedaboutit!" 10. The Elderly: Everybody agrees we need honest U.S. businesses to look out for the interests of our elders. Pharmaceutical companies handle this with finesse by taking over the full monthly incomes of most retired folks. It's a genuine public service. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
I am pretty sure I answered those questions at length. I really don't have time to do it again. Marshall Mike Monett wrote: Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy From: Marshall Dudley Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 09:41:43 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m79789.html Marshall, the archives were down and many posts do not appear. So if you have already answered these questions, please try again. Pavel Hochmut wrote: Hi, I would like to ask: Suppose, we have two CS batches with the particles of the same size, they differ in concentration only. The first has 10 ppm and the second has (to simplify the example) has 20 ppm of concentration. Everywhere you can hear, that the CS with higher concentration has much more efficacy. BUT WHY It would have twice as many particles, so it should be twice as effective. 1. What is your definition of a particle? 2. How are they formed? (I need balanced equations here) 3. How big are they? 4. Why should they all be the same size? 5. How do they kill bacteria? 6. How do they kill viruses? Realize: If you take two teaspoons of the 10 ppm CS, your silver intake shall be the same as if you take 1 teaspoon of the 20 ppm CS. Actually the particle content goes up by more than the amount of the ppm, as concentration increases, a larger percentage of the ionic silver becomes particulate silver. I would expect the 20 to have more than twice as many particles at 10 ppm I think there is a big question about this idea. What proof do you have? Marshall Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver supplement and CS
The LD 50% is where you have a 50% mortality rate. Not drown exactly, but the excess water will mess up your electrolyte balance so much it makes survival difficult. Marshall debbie cozens wrote: 1 gallon = 4.5 lt..are you saying she will more so drown before the consumption of CS will kill her hmmm heard that before..or am i being totally stupid? what is LD of water? Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: debbie cozens wrote: A friend of mine wants to use CS (10ppm) but is worried as she is taking a supplement with silver in alreadyshould this be a problem?would and can she OD with CS??? The LD 50% is about 3 to 5 gallons a day I believe. Look up the LD for water and that will tell you the maximum she can take. Marshall Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: CS10 and 20 ppm CS efficacy
EIS is electrolytically isolated silver, it is what most people in this group make with silver wires and electric current. It is composed of colloidal silver and ionic silver. Marshall debbie cozens wrote: Sorry to be so 'new' at this..what is EIS??? sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: This is a really interesting question. Some members here report just as effective results with 10 ppm or even lower, as with higher ppm. Some report increased effectiveness with gatorade, or H202 added to their EIS, but many report equally good effectiveness with straight EIS. There is enough variability in EIS apart from the ppm that such variables may account for the differences. Or perhaps it is just individual responses to EIS that account for it. I do personally feed I get much better effectiveness from EIS that is around 20 uS (ppm) than EIS of 10 ppm. And for topical uses, for me, EIS of much higher than 20 uS (ppm) works much more effectively. It is also possible that I am just a confirmed believer in the more is better mindset. sol debbie cozens wrote: Thats what i thought too..im very interested to! know why! Pavel Hochmut wrote: Everywhere you can hear, that the CS with higher concentration has much more efficacy. BUT WHY Realize: If you take two teaspoons of the 10 ppm CS, your silver intake shall be the same as if you take 1 teaspoon of the 20 ppm CS. Or am I wrong? Where is the mistake? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.3 - Release Date: 4/25/2005 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
CSppm
It would have twice as many particles, so it should be twice as effective. 20 ppm doesn't automatically mean twice as many particles (as 10 ppm), only twice as much silver. You could have one pebble of silver at the bottom of the container and still have 20 ppm. ppm is a measurement of the total quantity (of silver in this case), and is not relevant to the number of particles. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS Generator
http://www.elixsilver.com/freebie.htm Has anyone used this? Is it worth spending my beans on? Lori in NW Georgia -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSppm
Terry Chamberlin wrote: It would have twice as many particles, so it should be twice as effective. 20 ppm doesn't automatically mean twice as many particles (as 10 ppm), only twice as much silver. You could have one pebble of silver at the bottom of the container and still have 20 ppm. ppm is a measurement of the total quantity (of silver in this case), and is not relevant to the number of particles. Actually it does, as an answer to that question. The question was: - Suppose, we have two CS batches with the particles of the same size, they differ in concentration only. It says that the colloidal portion of both has the same size particles, and the concentration is twice as much, so the only way that can happen is if you double the number of particles. That was an answer to that specific question, which as you point out does not necessarily reflect reality. Marshall __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSThe Mighty Highway of Libertarianism
Essentially Sasha wrote: I find very shallow, opinionated, and simply creating much more harm than good. It does a dis-service to those who are not in the above category, which by the way, are most; More harm than good? It is not so! I am one of those come from a long history of frustration at the established world of medicine. And, believe me, there are indeed many more. So I, like the army that they are, am sick and tired of know-it-all docs and I loathe un-emancipated pats who leave the doc to decide over the vehicle, that their body is. I call myself a free-thinker, and I bring up all my students, clients and patients in this freeway of libertarianism. Have you heard of Dr. Semmelweisz? He started to wash his hands before treating his patients, women about to give birth. His patients lived, while other doctors of his time saw the poor women die .. due to their doctors ignorance, and their filthy hands. And what did they do to Dr. Semmelweisz? They nailed him to the cross. Have you heard of the Dutch Dr. Moerman? He treated AND CURED cancer, even in the last state, some 30 years ago, by his fresh, un-heard of approach. And what did they do to Dr. Moerman, when he had proved his case over and over again? They nailed him to the cross. Not because they wanted to neglect his right. No, it was obvious, and now it is even pronounced out loud that Dr. Moerman was a threat to the interests of those who sold kobalt apparatus (for mainstream treatments of cancer) at millions, nay billions of dollars. Poor Dr. Moerman died before he could prove his next test: That cancer may also be caused by bad thought (This was in the sixties. What did mainstream do, among other things, to rid themselves of Dr. Moerman? They called his approach unscientific, as is often done to new thoughts) Have you heard of Luis Pasteur? Guess you have. Well, he said adieu (goodbye) to his near friends, whom all had called him crazy. For Pasteur was sure, after his long research to have found a new way to prevent disease. So he took leave of everyone living, when he was about to inject himself with what is now known as the cow-pox injection. He survived, but his finding was not believed in until he put his on life a t stake at stake. Now, whom of you have not gotten the anti-cow-pox vaccination? Pasteur was laughed at for it There is this doctor in Mexico. He saw a patient of his, a young kid to whom was given an ill fated prescription, die. The licensed doctor, already frustrated, then decided to leave mainstream medicine for good, and now works only with the alternative of Reflexology. Finally which by the way, are most Even if this were so, then what? Do majorities still count in our modern-day beliefs? Do we have to incline to immense groups of patients who were never thought to think for themselves? Who without thinking take any drugs which are prescribed to them, or, worse, who sheepishly agree with operations that really are not necessary? And what about the so-called minority, íf indeed the others are most? Do we have to discard thousands (indeed) of people who have the guts to take to the, too many, slippery freeway of alternatives (or libertarianism)? For it does take guts my friends. Wed better accept the truth: It is time to build a bridge of mutual understanding, and be constructive in our thoughts. For if we keep on polarizing, we as human family may even lag behind more than we already have, in comparison with that great Universe so full of life out-there. It that has been waiting far too long for us to grow up. Love Faith _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSoff topic - humour regarding drug companies
My guess is that it is an oversimplification to say ADHD doesn't exist or isn't real. The presentatin of symptoms does exist. But at the very least drugs are far far far overprescribed for this condition. It has become a catch all excuse for medicating kids. Joy Be careful. It's easy to say some of these problems aren't real if you're not the one dealing with it. As much as I like the natural world because that is where true healing is, some of us get to the point where we chose drugs because nothing else has worked. And I speak from experience of ADD since my oldest boy has it. Call it what you will but something is amiss neurologically. Yes, far too many boys are asked to get tested for ADD simply because they are active little boys. Cindy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver saved Rosemary?
Quackwatch loves Rosemary because she is a 'hit magnet'. Thats why they'll never change the site. David Tony Moody wrote: OK this makes a bit more sense now. I wondered why Quackwatch put so much energy into Rosemary's case. did a google on melioidosis and got 33500 hits !! If silver cures this disease then the powers that be do not want the public to know about it. So they have erected this elaborate scare scam. the first one : DBMD - Melioidosis - General Information ... Melioidosis (Burkholderia pseudomallei). Navigation bar ... Melioidosis, also called Whitmores disease, is an infectious disease caused by the ... www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/diseaseinfo/melioidosis_g.htm - 17k snip Why has melioidosis become a current issue? Burkholderia pseudomallei is an organism that has been considered as a potential agent for biological warfare and biological terrorism. snip
Re: CSvaccinations CS
If you must vaccinate, use homeopathic vaccinations, which are statisticly much more effective, and have no side affects. Both my boys received vaccinations although I was against them, as I caved in to family pressure. My daugter was not vaccinated, and in due course received homeopathic vaccination. My sons had problems falling asleep as babies, colic, learning difficulties, occasional fits, the first one more than the boy who only had one course of jabs. As adults, depression. Daughter good at school. Perfect baby. Second boy's dyslexia (discovered when I gave him home schooling) treated initially with Irlen lenses, then some months later cured with a) Belladonna and next b) Nat Mur. Would see blue spots in front of music, writing, etc, and floating blue spots. Could only see a little bit in the front of him, the rest was a mess. Neither he nor we knew this until he was cured. He thought everyone was like that - couldn't understand why the other kids could read the blackboard so well. If he looked away, he had to scan the whole board again for his place. To watch tv had to scan screen, so missed things first time. On bike, would hit pavement kerb as he couldn't see everywhere at once. In car, couldn't see view except for little bit directly where he was looking. Imagine someone like this in charge of vehicle if nobody knew he had a problem. He would have been able to see one letter at a time in an eye test. Irlen lady found he could only see one letter at a time, read by remembering the letters to make the words, but was not understanding what he read as the brain was so busy doing other things! She said it was a wonder he had learned to read at all. I first discovered the problem when I tried to get him to read some small print and he complained (in tears) that it seemed to be waving about. Had one sllight recurrence of the blue floaters, immediately fixed with one or two doses belladonna. Fine ever since. By the way, after he started on the Belladonna, he was uncomfortable with the blue Irlen lenses after a few days. Tried to get him to keep them on at first, as per Irlen practitioner, then realised it could be the Belladonna working fast. I had expected a six month result. At follow up two weeks later he didn't need the Belladonna (Interro computer diagnosis) and was given the Nat Mur which, with Gelsemium, appears to be his constitutional remedy. One of the boys in primary school tried on the blue glasses, and exclaimed that he could see now! That poor kid was unlikely ever to get what my boy got. Rowena When I checked the homeopathic Mat Med later, all the symptoms were there, but I would never have picked them, or even thought of mentioning half the symptoms, and didn't even know about the main ones as the boy thought that was normal.
