CS>Fixed! Was: Re: Big WOOPS!

[M. G. Devour]

I wrote:
> I took apart the case and, lo and behold, the cheapo battery holder from
> radio shack is broken, with the end popped off and the batteries
> sticking out.

I just finished re-wiring my generator with new battery holders and a 
little LED lamp and pushbutton switch to confirm there's enough oomph! 
left in the batteries to at least push 15 milliamps through the lamp. 
If it lights at all, there's plenty of energy to make CS with.

If anybody has the Faraday equation handy, you might note that I chose 
the .27 milliamp current limiting diode so that 12 hours of 
electrolysis would yield something like 13 ppm of silver in a liter of 
water. Given that the initial conductivity is actually lower, something 
closer to 10 ppm is the actual result.

I like the easygoing operating procedure with this design. I fill up 
the canning jar container first thing in the morning or last thing at 
night, and cycle it again 12 hours later. I can make a half-gallon a 
day that way.

I pour it off into clear 20 ounce plastic bottles that used to contain 
spring water.

Simple. Easy. Requires little attention. If I forget and let it go an 
extra day, I get a slightly stronger than usual batch. 

I started a new batch. I wonder what kinda Herx I'm gonna get when I 
*start* taking CS for the first time in who knows how long!!!?

Be well,

Mike D.
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Re: CS>Distiller Idea? Was: Waterwise Non-Electric Distiller

[M. G. Devour]

Hi Chuck,

> Fill the inverted top with ice cubes to chill the "ondeser".

If I really wanted to, a very small DC cooling fan running off a wall 
wart would do that job very nicely. It'd take less attention (and 
energy) than using ice cubes, too. 

Be well,

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Re: CS>Distiller Idea? Was: Waterwise Non-Electric Distiller

[M. G. Devour]

Hi Kathryn,

> I like the way you are thinking.  Assuming you mean a 16 quart stock
> pot, sounds like an interesting plan.

 Yep, that was a typo! 

> Canners often have racks to set the jars on while they are sterilizing,
> that might be good enough, if it is high enough. Would you want a glass
> teapot? I see some with glass pouring handles, metal handles and lots
> with plastic. 

Yes, I was thinking of something made of glass or porcelain.

> Maybe a glass french press coffee carafe would work a little better.

What I need is to spend some time in the housewares and small appliance 
aisles at the store. 


> I am not convinced you need a vent hole, since the lid would naturally
> open slightly to vent some steam. And you could let it boil for a few
> minutes uncovered to get rid of any volatiles.

Well, the vent is there in the pot I was looking at. It's at most about 
a millimeter hole, just enough to release pressure or vacuum. Running 
at low heat, I don't expect to lose enough water through it to matter.

Bringing it to an initial boil uncovored is a *VERY* fine idea, ma'am. 
Thanks.

> I am not sure it would be any cheaper for me, though. Plus I would
> have to monitor it to some degree. If it were electric, I could just
> let it go. Hmmm, maybe a crock pot distiller. 

Yeah, I'd like to be able to ignore it as much as possible. The ideal 
would be to start it in the morning and empty/refill it at dinner or 
bedtime. It wouldn't matter if I left it for a while, as long as the 
flame was at minimum.

As for the cost, I also need to run up an estimate of the gas it would 
take. I'm trying to save part of only about $20 a month, so if it runs 
the gas bill up that much it's a wash, except for the fact that I'd no 
longer be buying and toting my water in plastic jugs from the store.

A big crock pot would have a lot of potential, yes!

Be well,

Mike D.
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CS>weak blood vessels to dee

[zeb caffe]

what about vitamin K and bioflavanoids?


  

CS>web page to johnathan

[zeb caffe]

I was not able to acess that web page you posted on hemp or cannibus


  

Re: CS>Distiller Idea? Was: Waterwise Non-Electric Distiller

[cking001]

Fill the inverted top with ice cubes to chill the "ondeser".

Chuck
Be sure to save your money--you never know when it might be worth
something

On 6/27/2008 4:52:15 PM, Clayton Family (clay...@skypoint.com) wrote:
> I like the way you are thinking.  Assuming you mean a 16 quart stock
> pot, sounds like an interesting plan.  Canners often have racks to set
> the jars on while they are sterilizing, that might be good enough, if
> it is high enough. Would you want a glass teapot? I see some with glass
> pouring handles, metal handles and lots with plastic. Maybe a glass
> french press coffee carafe would work a little better. I am not
> convinced you need a vent hole, since the lid would naturally open
> slightly to vent some steam. And you could let it boil for a few
> minutes uncovered to get rid of any volatiles.
> 
> I am not sure it would be any cheaper for me, though. Plus I would have
> to monitor it to some degree. If it were electric, I could just let it
> go. Hmmm, maybe a crock pot distiller.
> 
> Kathryn
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Re: CS>Cloudy, Particles, whatever.......... Silver is a Nutrient

[Faith Gagne]

Thank you for this information.  I like yellow crookneck squash too and I 
will check it out.  I'd love to have another squash plant..  Faith G.



- Original Message - 
From: "Tad Winiecki" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Cloudy, Particles, whatever.. Silver is a Nutrient




On Jun 27, 2008, at 3:52 AM, Faith Gagne wrote:

Nancy, I only have one plant.  Ididn't know I needed more.  I understand 
that zuchini grow like crazy and how many can I eat in one summer all by 
myself.  Thanks.  Faith


I don't personally find zucchini to be that prolific.  I've had better 
success with white patty pan squash but they are tricky to peel when they 
get too big as many of my squash do.  If you have a close neighbor with 
squash you may be all right but if not you need a second plant, any summer 
squash will do unless you want to save seed.  I personally like yellow 
crooknecks, they have a totally delectable buttery nutty taste you 
wouldn't believe if home-grown.  Squash keep producing if you keep them 
picked but if I let them get overgrown sometimes the bush just shuts down 
and stops producing.  I like to have a lot of plants for that reason, and 
because I just eat what I grow all summer breakfast, lunch and dinner.




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Re: CS>Cloudy, Particles, whatever.......... Silver is a Nutrient

[Tad Winiecki]

On Jun 27, 2008, at 3:52 AM, Faith Gagne wrote:

Nancy, I only have one plant.  Ididn't know I needed more.  I 
understand that zuchini grow like crazy and how many can I eat in one 
summer all by myself.  Thanks.  Faith


I don't personally find zucchini to be that prolific.  I've had better 
success with white patty pan squash but they are tricky to peel when 
they get too big as many of my squash do.  If you have a close neighbor 
with squash you may be all right but if not you need a second plant, 
any summer squash will do unless you want to save seed.  I personally 
like yellow crooknecks, they have a totally delectable buttery nutty 
taste you wouldn't believe if home-grown.  Squash keep producing if you 
keep them picked but if I let them get overgrown sometimes the bush 
just shuts down and stops producing.  I like to have a lot of plants 
for that reason, and because I just eat what I grow all summer 
breakfast, lunch and dinner.




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Re: CS>Distiller Idea? Was: Waterwise Non-Electric Distiller

[Clayton Family]

I like the way you are thinking.  Assuming you mean a 16 quart stock 
pot, sounds like an interesting plan.  Canners often have racks to set 
the jars on while they are sterilizing, that might be good enough, if 
it is high enough. Would you want a glass teapot? I see some with glass 
pouring handles, metal handles and lots with plastic. Maybe a glass 
french press coffee carafe would work a little better. I am not 
convinced you need a vent hole, since the lid would naturally open 
slightly to vent some steam. And you could let it boil for a few 
minutes uncovered to get rid of any volatiles.


I am not sure it would be any cheaper for me, though. Plus I would have 
to monitor it to some degree. If it were electric, I could just let it 
go. Hmmm, maybe a crock pot distiller.


Kathryn

On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:31 AM, M. G. Devour wrote:


Silvia writes:

Has anyone used this unit to make their distilled water?
http://www.canningpantry.com/waterwise-1600.html  If so what were the
pros and cons?


That's an interesting item, Silvia. Too bad we don't have anybody with
experience with it. I'd be interested, too.

I'd recently thought about building some kind of stove-top distiller,
since natural gas is still relatively cheap and I could keep it running
on the stove most days. We're spending a buck a gallon for distilled
and go through 20 gallons a month or more.

I wonder if the 16 gallon stock pot with glass lid I saw at the store
the other day would be useful as a distiller? I could invert the domed
glass lid, moving the knob to the "wrong" side and put a collection
vessel inside on top of a wire grate or metal stand. The steam should
condense on the lid and run down into the collector.

There's a small vent hole in the lid. I expect at least some of the
volatiles would escape through the vent. If the collection vessel
overflows, no big deal. I'd want the collector to have a wire handle on
it, like the kind on a paint bucket, so I could lift it out with a hot
mitt and pour off the contents... maybe a teapot?

Hmmm... sounds like a $50 project versus a $350 product.

Comments or suggestions anyone?

Mike D.
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RE: CS>Glandular fever

[Dan Nave]

So, what happened with the glandular fever?
 
Dan




From: Dee [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:19 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Glandular fever


Thanks Dan.  Dee 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Dan Nave  
Date: 06/19/08 14:30:05
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Glandular fever
 
I would take 1 to 2 teaspoons every half hour, or 1 Tablespoon (1/2
ounce) every hour, at least for the first day or two.  Then taper off.
If doing the smaller amount, do it at the more frequent rate.

 

RE: CS>CS colour

[M. G. Devour]

> There are several different answers as to yes or no the the using the
> yellow sivler.  Anybody really know for sure Mary Ellen

Yes, Mary Ellen, if it turns a bit yellow it's still okay to use. All 
it means is that *some* of the silver has formed big enough particles 
to become barely visible. There will still be a broad array of particle 
sizes and an abundance of ionic silver, too. It will still be 
effective.

The main reason we recommend clear these days is we've discovered good 
ways to make it and presume that it's better.

This is a classic case of "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the 
good!"

Be well!

Mike D.
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Re: CS>Big WOOPS!

[Dee]

Don't we have fun on this list ?  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: M. G. Devour
Date: 27/06/2008 19:34:30
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Big WOOPS!
 
I don't know if most of you remember the episode a few years back when
Marshalee discovered the batteries in her generator were dead? It
explained why her CS had stopped working for her and was a cautionary
tale for all of us!
 
Well, I'm not sure what made me think of it today, but I decided to
measure the voltage across my electrodes just to see if the batteries
were still okay. They should be, given that the load we put on them
making CS is so low they should be good for their shelf-life of several
**years.**
 
No voltage. Huh?!
 

Re: CS>CS colour

[Dee]

Thanks Ruth, yes I did this today (I think Norm also suggested it) and I
left a little of the old batch in the bottom of the jar.  I also did it on a
direct current instead of reverse polarity and it was done in five and a
half hours, so that was good.  I think maybe the water is really really pure
and am getting a TDS meter to see if this is the case.  I will wait and see
if it stays clear now.  This seems to take a couple of days if it is going
to go yellow and so if it does, I'll have to go back to basics to see what I
am doing wrong.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Ruth Bertella
Date: 27/06/2008 16:14:51
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS colour
 
Dee - you can put your DW in your pint or quart jar (or whatever you are
making your CS in) and set that in the sink of warm water, or into a pan/pot
of warm water.  I rarely clean my electrodes or brew jar, and I don't see a
reason to rinse them after each batch either.  Hope this helps!
 
Ruth

CS>Big WOOPS!

[M. G. Devour]

I don't know if most of you remember the episode a few years back when 
Marshalee discovered the batteries in her generator were dead? It 
explained why her CS had stopped working for her and was a cautionary 
tale for all of us!

Well, I'm not sure what made me think of it today, but I decided to 
measure the voltage across my electrodes just to see if the batteries 
were still okay. They should be, given that the load we put on them 
making CS is so low they should be good for their shelf-life of several 
**years.**

No voltage. Huh?!

I took apart the case and, lo and behold, the cheapo battery holder 
from radio shack is broken, with the end popped off and the batteries 
sticking out.

G! 

So just how long has MY colloidal silver been plain water? God only 
knows. It's been at least 5 years since I built this thing in its 
current incarnation and I'm still on the original set of batteries. The 
last time I checked the voltage? I don't remember.

Time to re-build it with a small LED and a pushbutton battery test 
switch. And a better quality battery holder, of course.

FYI, my generator consists of two AA batteries for 3 volts, a current 
limiting diode (part# 1N5285, 0.27 ma), a silver eagle coin for the 
anode, and a couple of copper wires for cathodes, one on either side of 
the coin. The cathodes have insulation on them except for the bottom 
1/4" or so.

It will also have a battery-check light, real soon. 

Be well!

Mike D.
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CS>Distiller Idea? Was: Waterwise Non-Electric Distiller

[M. G. Devour]

Silvia writes:
> Has anyone used this unit to make their distilled water?
> http://www.canningpantry.com/waterwise-1600.html  If so what were the
> pros and cons?

That's an interesting item, Silvia. Too bad we don't have anybody with 
experience with it. I'd be interested, too.

I'd recently thought about building some kind of stove-top distiller, 
since natural gas is still relatively cheap and I could keep it running 
on the stove most days. We're spending a buck a gallon for distilled 
and go through 20 gallons a month or more.

I wonder if the 16 gallon stock pot with glass lid I saw at the store 
the other day would be useful as a distiller? I could invert the domed 
glass lid, moving the knob to the "wrong" side and put a collection 
vessel inside on top of a wire grate or metal stand. The steam should 
condense on the lid and run down into the collector.

There's a small vent hole in the lid. I expect at least some of the 
volatiles would escape through the vent. If the collection vessel 
overflows, no big deal. I'd want the collector to have a wire handle on 
it, like the kind on a paint bucket, so I could lift it out with a hot 
mitt and pour off the contents... maybe a teapot?

Hmmm... sounds like a $50 project versus a $350 product.

Comments or suggestions anyone?

Mike D.
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Re: CS>by pass surgery & recovery

[M. G. Devour]

Dear Diane,

You write:
> They have him on
> to many meds but maybe that is necessary with the surgery.

and...
> Getting his stomach settled back down will be a challenge.  He doesn't
> even tolerate fruits right now but I'm sure that is short term. 

You may have a clue here, ma'am. Could be the way things taste and the 
upset stomach are specific side effects of one or more of the meds...

If you research each of the scrips he's on and what reactions they 
cause in people, it may suggest how to prioritize your efforts to wean 
him from them. COORDINATE WITH HIS DOCTORS, of course!

I wish you both well,

Mike D.
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Re: CS>CS colour Ode

[N Cameron]

I have never made a brew with water over 120 degrees ...you and I shared 
emails over this 3 years ago

Norm
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS colour Ode



At 02:54 PM 6/26/2008 -0400, you wrote:

Ode
does that include tepid water?
Norm



  What works, works.
 I find a reaction threshold of around 120 degrees F,  your experience may 
see things differently.
 "Thermal stirring" typically tops out in equilibrium at around 90 degrees 
F with very few problems.
 Start where you finish, pretty much the same thing, only a bit faster at 
the start due to increased conductivity without adding impurities where it 
matters the least.


ode


- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS colour





  Heat makes contaminants more reactive.
 A fresh batch has both, more free tasteless silver Ag[+] Ions and 
bitter OH [-] Anions.


ode


At 07:10 AM 6/25/2008 -0400, you wrote:

morning Dee
My distilled water comes in a plastic bottle ...I put hot tap water in 
the stopped up sink and set the bottle in it while I have a cuppa tea 
:O)

Norm
- Original Message -
From: Dee
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS colour

Maybe this is what I am doing wrong.  Because I have it set on reverse 
polarity, it does take quite a long time.  Maybe I should set it on 
direct current and warm the water perhaps.  How do you warm the water? 
I wouldn't have thought microwaving would be a good idea, but then 
neither would a saucepan would it?  It is a little bitter as you say 
too, but then I thought that was because it was fresher than I am used 
to.  I do rinse and wipe everything with distilled water though. Many 
thanks.  Dee


---Original Message---

From: N Cameron
Date: 24/06/2008 23:07:46
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS colour

I have found that my batch has a yellow tint if the time is to slow and 
the taste is usually bitter...in my case it was because the water was 
not that warm ...I find that 12 ppm with out a starter should take 
around 3 hrs with pre warmed distilled water  ...also I use the same 
batch jar always ...for 3 years now ...and tap water  to rinse will 
guaratee me a yellow batch ...even if it is wiped ..I always use alcohol 
to clean if I feel it necessary ...this may help someone ...

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Re: CS>CS colour

[Ruth Bertella]

Dee - you can put your DW in your pint or quart jar (or whatever you are making 
your CS in) and set that in the sink of warm water, or into a pan/pot of warm 
water.  I rarely clean my electrodes or brew jar, and I don't see a reason to 
rinse them after each batch either.  Hope this helps!

Ruth
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dee 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:24 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>CS colour


Thanks Norm.  Unfortunately, my DW comes in 5ltr bottles so I couldn't 
put the whole thing in as it would probably compromise it if done repeatedly.  
Then it means I would have to put it in another container to warm it.  This is 
getting somewhat complicated methinks!  I'll have to have another think about 
it.  Many thanks.  Dee 

---Original Message---

From: N Cameron
Date: 25/06/2008 12:10:46
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS colour

morning Dee
My distilled water comes in a plastic bottle ...I put hot tap water in 
the stopped up sink and set the bottle in it while I have a cuppa tea :O)
Norm
   
  
   

Re: CS>The Growers Klan

[Clayton Family]

On Jun 27, 2008, at 4:44 AM, Tad Winiecki wrote:



On Jun 27, 2008, at 2:24 AM, Wayne Fugitt wrote:

I have been picking 5 gallons of squash, 5 gallons of string beans, 
and soon will pick 5 gallons of okra per picking.  Not a lot, I could 
grow much more, but that will make several people happy.




I'm happy for you but it's too cold here for okra so I have given up 
on it, though I love it having grown up in the south and eaten it from 
very early childhood.  My first female squash flowers just bloomed, 
and not a bean flower in sight yet.  Sigh.  This has been the coldest 
June on record since 1917 and all the bush fruits are behind schedule.


Well, enjoy those okra.  Sniff.  At least I can buy them frozen now in 
the grocery store.


Nancy



I second that! Eat some for me too.  The frozen ones are a poor second, 
but are ok for okra withdrawl.  We have grown some up here, but only in 
the warm years have we gotten any. They were worth it, of course. There 
used to be an old couple from the South that had some at the Farmer's 
Market in August. It was a real treat when my husband would come home 
from work toting a bag of fresh okra on market day.


My favorite recipe is to mix some spices, cut a little slice in the 
side and stuff it in, then fry them up. Aaaah.


Glad your garden is going well.

Kathryn


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Re: CS>ON MICROWAVES - WAS CS colour..now fear.

[Faith Gagne]

I know full well that death is unavoidable.  My concern is being as healthy 
as I can manage while I have to be here.  That's all.  I don't expect to be 
here forever.  Faith G.



- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: CS>ON MICROWAVES - WAS CS colour..now fear.





  It's just not a safe world.
It's a sea of relative threats with no absolutes and everyone in it reacts 
differently at different times.


..and then you die..of "something"
 Prevent *this* and *that'll* getchasometimes caused by preventing 
*this*
And if something doesn't getcha sooner, something else does later, and 
that could be long after living ain't any fun anymore.


 Do this and it'll take 5 years off your life?
 OK, Maybe, but it comes off the crappy end.

As a rule, there are no rules...only conflicting odds and wild card 
possibilities.


Everybody is trying to sell eternal life, either to you or to themselves, 
and/or to you to validate having bought it  FOR themselves paying a lot 
for little or nothing that only provides some reason to keep on worrying 
about the inevitable.

No such product exists.
 You just aren't going to find "the answer" to an impossible question.

 People want you to worry with them so they can feel like they aren't just 
wasting their time on the futile.
 Some just want to see if they can jerk your chain into misery so they can 
compare theirs to it and feel batter in comparison...or just to feel 
powerful because they can do such things.


You have NO control over when and very little over how, so why not do what 
you can and go for quality...which is, of course, a personal opinion that 
needs no validation from anyone.


 Beyond all self deceit:
 Fear not, there is one certain thing in your life and ONLY one.
YOU ARE GONNA DIEso do whatever the heck pleases you.

...even if that's futile worrying. [wink]
 But those who don't are a lot more fun to be around, so if joy is what 
you want, be THAT 'fantasy' and joyfully self deceived  people will be 
attracted to you like a magnet to validate THAT.


 Might not live longer [compared to what?  a complete unknowable? ]but 
at least you'll die laughing.


 Everything is just something to play with...even strategy.
  What is YOUR game?
 Pick one, none are any more valid than any other.
No one ever knows how any game is going to turn out.
 It's ALL guess work and gamble.

 New old saying:  "Gee, that looks like crap, but at least it took a long 
time, was very hard to do and despite it all, I'm still me wondering who 
that is."


NOW what?  Do it again, harder?
 Sure.
 Boiled down with all accounted for, not only CAN you do what you want to, 
but you always ARE..and you almost NEVER know what that "really is".

 And if you *believe* you know, that's exactly what's going on.

  You cannot know what you truly are and still be the you that you believe 
you are.


 BTW  You cannot die, but you can misdefine life and play fear games for 
"fun".
 Can the absolutely perfect even think of the imperfect?  I don't think 
so.

Gotta do that with belief...a perfect tool of perfect delusions.

 Scared?

WELL DONE
 EXCELLENT JOB!

If you believe itit was done perfectly.
 But why this fear thing?

 Fear is the most powerfully felt of all emotions that makes things seem 
fantastically "REAL"

 Fear is exciting.
 The only emotion equal to fear is relief when you finally discover 
it's not real.

Win win.

 The rest is safety valve perks that keeps you playing the struggle and 
duck game rather than committing suicide.
..which is completely futile.  This game over, start another anyhow. 
"When" is irrelevant to the inevitable, again.

..cannot not do it.
It takes zero effort and zero effort can't be applied.
 The ONLY thing that can't be done is, nothing.

 Observe and Ponder:
 Even when you KNOW it's just a roller coaster, you still scream your 
silly head off, get off when it stops, wipe your brow and say "Whew!  That 
was SCARY"
..then go look for a bigger roller coaster...and bigger... till you scare 
yourself shitless and discover you aren't an ass that CAN shit on 
itself...are, in fact "perfect" perfectly deceiving yourself into 
believing you can't be.


 Sweet screams me hearties, carry on as ye will.
 Be afraid, be very afraid...go for that thrill AND it's equal, re-life.
 Ain't it an absolute wonder !!!

an Amazement Park.
Never know what's gonna happen next, de-spite any be-life... "perfect".

PS  Observe:
It's more interesting to be afraid when you aren't cowering in a corner 
somewhere.
Fear can pick you up just as well as keep you down. Fear is a tool.  Tools 
are neutral... they don't care what you build.

 What you ARE, is a builder that cannot not build.
..and there's no way to do it wrong when there are no limits to what can 
be "con-structed" and validated as being real in your own mind.


 Be aware. Fear is not the ONLY tool.
 Buildings in Amazement Parks can h

Re: CS>CS colour Ode

[Ode Coyote]

At 02:54 PM 6/26/2008 -0400, you wrote:

Ode
does that include tepid water?
Norm



  What works, works.
 I find a reaction threshold of around 120 degrees F,  your experience may 
see things differently.
 "Thermal stirring" typically tops out in equilibrium at around 90 degrees 
F with very few problems.
 Start where you finish, pretty much the same thing, only a bit faster at 
the start due to increased conductivity without adding impurities where it 
matters the least.


ode


- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS colour





  Heat makes contaminants more reactive.
 A fresh batch has both, more free tasteless silver Ag[+] Ions and 
bitter OH [-] Anions.


ode


At 07:10 AM 6/25/2008 -0400, you wrote:

morning Dee
My distilled water comes in a plastic bottle ...I put hot tap water in 
the stopped up sink and set the bottle in it while I have a cuppa tea :O)

Norm
- Original Message -
From: Dee
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: CS>CS colour

Maybe this is what I am doing wrong.  Because I have it set on reverse 
polarity, it does take quite a long time.  Maybe I should set it on 
direct current and warm the water perhaps.  How do you warm the 
water?  I wouldn't have thought microwaving would be a good idea, but 
then neither would a saucepan would it?  It is a little bitter as you 
say too, but then I thought that was because it was fresher than I am 
used to.  I do rinse and wipe everything with distilled water though. 
Many thanks.  Dee


---Original Message---

From: N Cameron
Date: 24/06/2008 23:07:46
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>CS colour

I have found that my batch has a yellow tint if the time is to slow and 
the taste is usually bitter...in my case it was because the water was 
not that warm ...I find that 12 ppm with out a starter should take 
around 3 hrs with pre warmed distilled water  ...also I use the same 
batch jar always ...for 3 years now ...and tap water  to rinse will 
guaratee me a yellow batch ...even if it is wiped ..I always use alcohol 
to clean if I feel it necessary ...this may help someone ...

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11:20 AM

Re: CS>ON MICROWAVES - WAS CS colour..now fear.

[Ode Coyote]

  It's just not a safe world.
It's a sea of relative threats with no absolutes and everyone in it reacts 
differently at different times.


..and then you die..of "something"
 Prevent *this* and *that'll* getchasometimes caused by preventing *this*
And if something doesn't getcha sooner, something else does later, and that 
could be long after living ain't any fun anymore.


 Do this and it'll take 5 years off your life?
 OK, Maybe, but it comes off the crappy end.

As a rule, there are no rules...only conflicting odds and wild card 
possibilities.


Everybody is trying to sell eternal life, either to you or to themselves, 
and/or to you to validate having bought it  FOR themselves paying a lot for 
little or nothing that only provides some reason to keep on worrying about 
the inevitable.

No such product exists.
 You just aren't going to find "the answer" to an impossible question.

 People want you to worry with them so they can feel like they aren't just 
wasting their time on the futile.
 Some just want to see if they can jerk your chain into misery so they can 
compare theirs to it and feel batter in comparison...or just to feel 
powerful because they can do such things.


You have NO control over when and very little over how, so why not do what 
you can and go for quality...which is, of course, a personal opinion that 
needs no validation from anyone.


 Beyond all self deceit:
 Fear not, there is one certain thing in your life and ONLY one.
YOU ARE GONNA DIEso do whatever the heck pleases you.

...even if that's futile worrying. [wink]
 But those who don't are a lot more fun to be around, so if joy is what 
you want, be THAT 'fantasy' and joyfully self deceived  people will be 
attracted to you like a magnet to validate THAT.


 Might not live longer [compared to what?  a complete unknowable? ]but 
at least you'll die laughing.


 Everything is just something to play with...even strategy.
  What is YOUR game?
 Pick one, none are any more valid than any other.
No one ever knows how any game is going to turn out.
 It's ALL guess work and gamble.

 New old saying:  "Gee, that looks like crap, but at least it took a long 
time, was very hard to do and despite it all, I'm still me wondering who 
that is."


NOW what?  Do it again, harder?
 Sure.
 Boiled down with all accounted for, not only CAN you do what you want to, 
but you always ARE..and you almost NEVER know what that "really is".

 And if you *believe* you know, that's exactly what's going on.

  You cannot know what you truly are and still be the you that you believe 
you are.


 BTW  You cannot die, but you can misdefine life and play fear games for 
"fun".

 Can the absolutely perfect even think of the imperfect?  I don't think so.
Gotta do that with belief...a perfect tool of perfect delusions.

 Scared?

WELL DONE
 EXCELLENT JOB!

If you believe itit was done perfectly.
 But why this fear thing?

 Fear is the most powerfully felt of all emotions that makes things seem 
fantastically "REAL"

 Fear is exciting.
 The only emotion equal to fear is relief when you finally discover 
it's not real.

Win win.

 The rest is safety valve perks that keeps you playing the struggle and 
duck game rather than committing suicide.
..which is completely futile.  This game over, start another 
anyhow.  "When" is irrelevant to the inevitable, again.

..cannot not do it.
It takes zero effort and zero effort can't be applied.
 The ONLY thing that can't be done is, nothing.

 Observe and Ponder:
 Even when you KNOW it's just a roller coaster, you still scream your 
silly head off, get off when it stops, wipe your brow and say "Whew!  That 
was SCARY"
..then go look for a bigger roller coaster...and bigger... till you scare 
yourself shitless and discover you aren't an ass that CAN shit on 
itself...are, in fact "perfect" perfectly deceiving yourself into believing 
you can't be.


 Sweet screams me hearties, carry on as ye will.
 Be afraid, be very afraid...go for that thrill AND it's equal, re-life.
 Ain't it an absolute wonder !!!

an Amazement Park.
Never know what's gonna happen next, de-spite any be-life... "perfect".

PS  Observe:
It's more interesting to be afraid when you aren't cowering in a corner 
somewhere.
Fear can pick you up just as well as keep you down. Fear is a tool.  Tools 
are neutral... they don't care what you build.

 What you ARE, is a builder that cannot not build.
..and there's no way to do it wrong when there are no limits to what can be 
"con-structed" and validated as being real in your own mind.


 Be aware. Fear is not the ONLY tool.
 Buildings in Amazement Parks can have doors and windows, you know.
..and halls of mirrors with each image denying it's a reflection of the other.

God said,  " I already know all that CAN be, so now, where is surprise? "
 "Ahh yes, it's everywhere I don't look."  [Denial...a tool of relativity 
that warps absolutes into the appearance of finites.]


 DUH!

 BTW  Ta

CS>CS MO

[Dee]

I just thought I'd do a little experiment so I set my generator on DC mode and 
used slightly warmed water (thanks Norm) plus a little bit of the old batch.  
This was three hours ago and I have just got back from Sainsburys to find all 
little sparkly things on the mag stirrer and one of the electrodes!  It looks 
really pretty  so I will let you know how long it takes this way.  I'm 
wondering if the yellowness previously was caused by the fact that I tipped the 
CS into the bottles using a Pyrex jug which had previously been washed with 
detergent, although I did rinse it with DW.  I now have new plastic funnels 
which I will keep just for this purpose.  Dee  


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CS>C Difficile

[ian_ontario]

Hello:

Has anyone found a support protocol for using CS with clients or patients 
that have C Difficile?


Enemas etc. for instance.

If it is a detailed response, could you also send a copy of your reply to 
ianro...@rogers.com


Sincerely Yours,

Ian Roe 



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Re: CS>Cloudy, Particles, whatever.......... Silver is a Nutrient

[Faith Gagne]

Nancy, I only have one plant.  Ididn't know I needed more.  I understand 
that zuchini grow like crazy and how many can I eat in one summer all by 
myself.  Thanks.  Faith G.


- Original Message - 
From: "Tad Winiecki" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 3:00 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Cloudy, Particles, whatever.. Silver is a Nutrient


Faith-  I pick the zucchinis more like when they are 15" long- now
THAT'S a zucchini!
I hope you don't just have one plant as they need to be
cross-pollinated.  Except some of the newest ones are parthenocarpic-
don't need fertilizing at all.  Or maybe that's just cucumbers.

Nancy
On Jun 26, 2008, at 4:41 PM, Faith Gagne wrote:

You are welcome Wayne. I have a zucchini plant in my garden this year and 
I am advised to pick the squash when they are about 6 inches long, not 
much bigger because they get tough. I like my garden but it is small. I 
have a few tomatoes, and some herbs and that's about it. Oh, and some 
arugula which I love.


Faith G.



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Re: CS>The Growers Klan

[Tad Winiecki]

On Jun 27, 2008, at 2:24 AM, Wayne Fugitt wrote:

I have been picking 5 gallons of squash, 5 gallons of string beans, 
and soon will pick 5 gallons of okra per picking.  Not a lot, I could 
grow much more, but that will make several people happy.




I'm happy for you but it's too cold here for okra so I have given up on 
it, though I love it having grown up in the south and eaten it from 
very early childhood.  My first female squash flowers just bloomed, and 
not a bean flower in sight yet.  Sigh.  This has been the coldest June 
on record since 1917 and all the bush fruits are behind schedule.


Well, enjoy those okra.  Sniff.  At least I can buy them frozen now in 
the grocery store.


Nancy


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Re: CS>Cannabis and Cancer

[Dee]

Oops, it says 'web page cannot be found' Jonathan.  Dee 

---Original Message---
 
From: Jonathan B. Britten
Date: 27/06/2008 10:15:47
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Cannabis and Cancer
 
The following link is interesting, and something I'd not heard, despite
various claims on this list about hemp oil.  It's worth a read:
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-armentano/what-your-government-
know_b_108712.html?view=print
 
 
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CS>The Growers Klan

[Wayne Fugitt]

Morning Nancy and Faith,

>> At 02:00 AM 6/27/2008, you wrote:

Glad to know we have a few that are members of the "Growers Klan".
( Unlike the KKK,

Ku Klux Klan )  No, I am not one, never have been.

I have a friend that is a writer and a scholar in history. He told me more 
about it that I had ever known )



Faith-  I pick the zucchinis more like when they are 15" long- now THAT'S 
a zucchini!
I hope you don't just have one plant as they need to be 
cross-pollinated.  Except some of the newest ones are parthenocarpic- 
don't need fertilizing at all.  Or maybe that's just cucumbers.


  What a variation in size ?

  Believe me, if there ever was a time to grow some food, the time is NOW.

  Fortunately, I have plenty of land, good soil, and unlimited water from 
creeks, wells, and city water also.  ( and a tiny bit of know how )


  Soon my problem will be finding disserving friends to give the excess.

   I used to sell a lot of produce, muscadines, blackberries and blueberries.

   When my wife became too sick to collect the money, I was too busy, so I 
started giving it away.


   Most did not appreciate the cost, effort, and sweat required to grow 
the food, so today I only give it to old friends, that have proven to be 
friends over many years.


This week I discovered something interesting.  Honey bees do not pollinate 
the string beans, instead the bumble bees were doing it.   I knew this was 
the case with the Blueberries.


And there are 27 hives of honey bees, 200 feet away.  I guess they have 
something better to do.


I have been picking 5 gallons of squash, 5 gallons of string beans, and 
soon will pick 5 gallons of okra per picking.  Not a lot, I could grow much 
more, but that will make several people happy.


Wayne

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CS>Cannabis and Cancer

[Jonathan B. Britten]

The following link is interesting, and something I'd not heard, despite  
various claims on this list about hemp oil.  It's worth a read:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-armentano/what-your-government- 
know_b_108712.html?view=print



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