date:20100420

On 19 Apr 2010 at 11:33, Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA  wrote about :
Subject : CSNasal spray (UNCLASSIFIED)

 Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
 Caveats: NONE
 
 What can I put in CS to help it penetrate
 The nasal passage, using CS in nasal spray bottle.
 Looking for way to battle numerous sinus infections.
 Looking for some thing simple.
 How about a drop or 2 of DMSO or Peroxide.
 
 Bob
 Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
 Caveats: NONE

Hi Bob, 
I use ascorbic acid powder and bicarbonate of soda ( ratio 1:2 makes it 
tastes salty but a bit alkaline ) and then use CS to make it into a 
solution.  about 1/4 teapoon of the dry mix to a cupful of water (200 to 
250 ml). 
I warm the cup with boiling water, and throw that out;  ( you could nuke 
the solution I suppose) 
Fill cup with the CS and stir in the VitC and Bicarb and wait for the 
foaming to finish. 
I then use the warm CS, VitC and Bicarb solution to do sinus flushes. It 
should be quite comfortable ( If its too cold or too strong then it will 
be uncomfortable ).
I will stay and do the entire cup; flushing and one blowing,  after the 
other until the cupful is done. 
I think the many flushes is part of the secret.  

I try to do this once a week anyway. 
If there is dust or mould exposure I try to remember to do it before 
going to sleep. 

Simple and it works very well if I do it.

OK,
Tony


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Re: CSH202 - again

I don't go back 100 years ago but 60 years ago tomatoes were favourite 
food. Shop bought or home grown, us kids would eat them like fruit. 35 
years ago my kids were the same, eating tomatoes out of the frig as a 
snack. I now hate having to make my way past the skin like a condom and 
trying chew and swallow the pale, woody, tasteless flesh because it has 
lycopenes and is good for me. There is not much tomato left now. Its a 
sort of plastic facsimile. 

This past season I have grown them in a little patch and its a race every 
morning between me and whatever is out there that eats them. These have 
taste and they are satisfying. Next year they will be composted, 
watered and fed a compost tea. I like the idea of the H2o2 too.

OK,
Tony 


 On 19 Apr 2010 at 20:28, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote about : Subject : 
Re: CSH202 - again  

 I don't think I'd eat a 100 year old tomato...
 
 On the other hand,Chinese 100 year old eggs are supposed to be a
 delicacy...
 
   Chuck
 If you pull the wings off a fly, does it become a walk?
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Re: CSTreating distilled water

That's very interesting, Harold.  I'm not familiar with Dr. Amato -- but I've 
read a little bit about water, how it reacts to its environment -- and I 
believe that it can be a dead substance.  Or worse -- a killing substance.  I 
live on a farm, and have a well.  We've had Culligan Water Co. test our water, 
and they said they've never tested better -- couldn't find a reason to sell us 
anything!  But I still wonder if it's *live* water.  Is there any way to test, 
do you know?  
MA





From: Harold MacDonald har...@telus.net


I found straight DW very unpalatable until I read some of the works of Dr.Amato 
[sp?] of Tokyo University,a leading expert on water.He is, or was the head of 
water conservation for the Government of Japan...
He studied water in all its’ forms and concluded that our present system of 
handling it creates a dead substance.Being compressed for delivery through old 
pipes,treated with chemicals to try to control unsavory organisms,the water is 
essentially dead comprised of many spurious compounds and of a very limited 
ability to aid in good health.
When I distill water,it is flat ,no life to it and not too pleasant to 
drink.However when I do what is recommended by experts in water it comes to 
life and is very good.
I distill into a glass gallon [160 ozs] jug, then it is set on a pad with a 
strong magnet under it with the North pole side up.This is left for up to 24 
Hrs.
Until recently I put a tape of classical music on ,near it,Sadly tape deck is 
defunct now, need a new one.
On opposite sides of the jug I tape on flat ‘fridge magnets with Neg, sides in.
Then if there is sunlight,the jug is put out in it for one or two hours.
After all this I put in 45drops of concentrace minerals, approx 1 tspn.
This will bring the pH up to 7.3 to 7.4.
To have had the chance to take a drink out of a mountain stream running over 
rocks is something you won’t forget. This water is alive There is even an aroma 
to it that is pleasing, negative ions.,
My treated water comes very close to this .I use this H2O for drinking and 
cooking.
Dr Amato proved this to my satisfaction ,and I will not drink tap water unless 
there is no alternative;and I live in an area where all our water comes from 
snow melt into mountain reservoirs 
I also make So-le with Himalaya salt and when making coffee, I add ¼ tspn of 
this per cup of brew and it sure puts life into it..
For CS/EIS,I double distill to be sure of purity.
I gave up on market DW as it varied too much;so I bought a good distiller.
Harold

Re: CSTreating distilled water

Also -- I've Googled Dr. Amato, and Japanese Water Expert -- and cannot find 
anything about or from him.  Can you double-check on his name please?  Thanks.
MA

From: Harold MacDonald har...@telus.net
To: Silver list silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 9:15:07 PM
Subject: CSTreating distilled water

I found straight DW very unpalatable until I read some of the works of Dr.Amato 
[sp?] of Tokyo University,a leading expert on water.He is, or was the head of 
water conservation for the Government of Japan...
He studied water in all its’ forms and concluded that our present system of 
handling it creates a dead substance.Being compressed for delivery through old 
pipes,treated with chemicals to try to control unsavory organisms,the water is 
essentially dead comprised of many spurious compounds and of a very limited 
ability to aid in good health.
When I distill water,it is flat ,no life to it and not too pleasant to 
drink.However when I do what is recommended by experts in water it comes to 
life and is very good.
I distill into a glass gallon [160 ozs] jug, then it is set on a pad with a 
strong magnet under it with the North pole side up.This is left for up to 24 
Hrs.
Until recently I put a tape of classical music on ,near it,Sadly tape deck is 
defunct now, need a new one.
On opposite sides of the jug I tape on flat ‘fridge magnets with Neg, sides in.
Then if there is sunlight,the jug is put out in it for one or two hours.
After all this I put in 45drops of concentrace minerals, approx 1 tspn.
This will bring the pH up to 7.3 to 7.4.
To have had the chance to take a drink out of a mountain stream running over 
rocks is something you won’t forget. This water is alive There is even an aroma 
to it that is pleasing, negative ions.,
My treated water comes very close to this .I use this H2O for drinking and 
cooking.
Dr Amato proved this to my satisfaction ,and I will not drink tap water unless 
there is no alternative;and I live in an area where all our water comes from 
snow melt into mountain reservoirs 
I also make So-le with Himalaya salt and when making coffee, I add ¼ tspn of 
this per cup of brew and it sure puts life into it..
For CS/EIS,I double distill to be sure of purity.
I gave up on market DW as it varied too much;so I bought a good distiller.
Harold

Re: CSWas:H202, Now: Azomite

OK -- thanks.





From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com


Try  -    Amozon.com   for  AZOMITE       Bob is 1/2   right,   but they are 
putting it in animal feeds, as well as garden and crop fertilizers.  The 
animals always get tested first with the good stuff.





From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net


Bob -- did you say where one could buy/order the Azomite?  Is this a farm-store 
product?  Thanks.





From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net

If you have a garden or farm, a supplement like Azomite would be great to add 
to the soil as fertilizer. Your veggies would be brimming with minerals formed 
40 million years ago when these substances were in abundance.  Since factory 
farms don't use organic methods you will get only a few select minerals that 
might help grow the plants but do little for your varied needs.

Re: CSH202 - again - tomatos

For a good time ... if you know someone who has just planted tomatoes, and the 
plants are growing nicely, but have no fruit yet, or just the little green 
beginnings of fruit, go to the store and buy a nice fat beefsteak tomato with 
some stem on it, and superglue it to the end of a stem on the tomato plant.  Be 
there when the plant's owner discovers it...

Great fun



- Original Message 
From: Tony Moody a...@new.co.za
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 7:33:00 AM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again

I don't go back 100 years ago but 60 years ago tomatoes were favourite 
food. Shop bought or home grown, us kids would eat them like fruit. 35 
years ago my kids were the same, eating tomatoes out of the frig as a 
snack. I now hate having to make my way past the skin like a condom and 
trying chew and swallow the pale, woody, tasteless flesh because it has 
lycopenes and is good for me. There is not much tomato left now. Its a 
sort of plastic facsimile. 

This past season I have grown them in a little patch and its a race every 
morning between me and whatever is out there that eats them. These have 
taste and they are satisfying. Next year they will be composted, 
watered and fed a compost tea. I like the idea of the H2o2 too.

OK,
Tony 


On 19 Apr 2010 at 20:28, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote about : Subject : 
Re: CSH202 - again  

 I don't think I'd eat a 100 year old tomato...
 
 On the other hand,Chinese 100 year old eggs are supposed to be a
 delicacy...
 
 Chuck
 If you pull the wings off a fly, does it become a walk?
snip


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Re: CSTreating distilled water

2010-04-20 Thread needling around

Was it Dr. Emoto, perhaps, that was meant?
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 8:00 AM
  Subject: Re: CSTreating distilled water

  Also -- I've Googled Dr. Amato, and Japanese Water Expert -- and cannot find 
anything about or from him.  Can you double-check on his name please?  Thanks.
  MA

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  From: Harold MacDonald har...@telus.net
  To: Silver list silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 9:15:07 PM
  Subject: CSTreating distilled water

  I found straight DW very unpalatable until I read some of the works of 
Dr.Amato [sp?] of Tokyo University,a leading expert on water.He is, or was the 
head of water conservation for the Government of Japan...

  He studied water in all its’ forms and concluded that our present system of 
handling it creates a dead substance.Being compressed for delivery through old 
pipes,treated with chemicals to try to control unsavory organisms,the water is 
essentially dead comprised of many spurious compounds and of a very limited 
ability to aid in good health.

  When I distill water,it is flat ,no life to it and not too pleasant to 
drink.However when I do what is recommended by experts in water it comes to 
life and is very good.

  I distill into a glass gallon [160 ozs] jug, then it is set on a pad with a 
strong magnet under it with the North pole side up.This is left for up to 24 
Hrs.

  Until recently I put a tape of classical music on ,near it,Sadly tape deck is 
defunct now, need a new one.

  On opposite sides of the jug I tape on flat ‘fridge magnets with Neg, sides 
in.

  Then if there is sunlight,the jug is put out in it for one or two hours.

  After all this I put in 45drops of concentrace minerals, approx 1 tspn.

  This will bring the pH up to 7.3 to 7.4.

  To have had the chance to take a drink out of a mountain stream running over 
rocks is something you won’t forget. This water is alive There is even an aroma 
to it that is pleasing, negative ions.,

  My treated water comes very close to this .I use this H2O for drinking and 
cooking.

  Dr Amato proved this to my satisfaction ,and I will not drink tap water 
unless there is no alternative;and I live in an area where all our water comes 
from snow melt into mountain reservoirs 

  I also make So-le with Himalaya salt and when making coffee, I add ¼ tspn of 
this per cup of brew and it sure puts life into it..

  For CS/EIS,I double distill to be sure of purity.

  I gave up on market DW as it varied too much;so I bought a good distiller.

  Harold

Re: CSTreating distilled water

Ah -- I'll check -- thanks.





From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net

 
Was it Dr. Emoto, perhaps, that was meant?
- Original Message - 
From: MaryAnn Helland 
 


Also -- I've Googled Dr. Amato, and Japanese Water Expert -- and cannot find 
anything about or from him.  Can you double-check on his name please?  Thanks.
MA

Re: CSH202 - again - tomatos

2010-04-20 Thread Donna


lol
Donna ACS

For a good time ... if you know someone who has just planted tomatoes, and the 
plants are growing nicely, but have no fruit yet, or just the little green 
beginnings of fruit, go to the store and buy a nice fat beefsteak tomato with 
some stem on it, and superglue it to the end of a stem on the tomato plant.  Be 
there when the plant's owner discovers it...

Great fun



- Original Message 
From: Tony Moodya...@new.co.za
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 7:33:00 AM
Subject: Re: CSH202 - again

I don't go back 100 years ago but 60 years ago tomatoes were favourite
food. Shop bought or home grown, us kids would eat them like fruit. 35
years ago my kids were the same, eating tomatoes out of the frig as a
snack. I now hate having to make my way past the skin like a condom and
trying chew and swallow the pale, woody, tasteless flesh because it has
lycopenes and is good for me. There is not much tomato left now. Its a
sort of plastic facsimile.

This past season I have grown them in a little patch and its a race every
morning between me and whatever is out there that eats them. These have
taste and they are satisfying. Next year they will be composted,
watered and fed a compost tea. I like the idea of the H2o2 too.

OK,
Tony


On 19 Apr 2010 at 20:28, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote about : Subject :
Re: CSH202 - again

   

I don't think I'd eat a 100 year old tomato...

On the other hand,Chinese 100 year old eggs are supposed to be a
delicacy...

 Chuck
If you pull the wings off a fly, does it become a walk?
 

snip


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Re: CSH202 - again

2010-04-20 Thread Ode Coyote




 The question is. Is any tomato more nutritious than no tomato?
100 years ago, you couldn't buy ANY tomato unless it was in season 
locally...then, was it grown in a burned out field or a carefully tended 
garden, in either case, sprayed or not sprayed with Arsenic?

Plus
Organic of yesteryear by default is not the same as a organic of today by 
design.


Ode

At 11:47 AM 4/19/2010 -0500, you wrote:
I guess to backup a step, what exactly does this stmt mean?  Is a 
store-bought, non-organic tomato more nutritious than a store-bought 
tomato from 100 years ago?  I could hardly believe that.


Alan

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Alan Jones 
mailto:alanmjo...@gmail.comalanmjo...@gmail.com wrote:

Ode, can you support this statement?


On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Ode Coyote 
mailto:odecoy...@windstream.netodecoy...@windstream.net wrote:


Nutrition today is vastly better than it was 100 years ago.


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CSthe good ole days?

2010-04-20 Thread Ode Coyote

It's a generalized conclusion based on reading historical accounts over 
several years that include diet details and evidence of generalized 
malnutrition due to a lack of variety and availability, particularly during 
winters.


  Research the charts on average tallness and life spans over the 
years...life spans have almost doubled since the early 1800s.
Research farming practices over time and migrations due to crop failures 
and burned out farmland.
Note that scurvy, rickets and Vit A depletion blindness is almost unheard 
of in the modern world, where it was quite common as recently as the 40s.


Support?
Not counting medical intervention advances that mostly count past the age 
of 50, an age that at one time people didn't count on reaching at all...

Too much to even note details...day and night comparisons.
Pick a category and start reading about how things used to be, take a walk 
in the woods and wonder why the landscaping amongst tall  trees and 
multitudes of old foundations of homes, the evidence is evident all around 
you. Why did they abandon those hard won homes with the hand dug 
basement/root cellar? Where did they go?
The Good Ole Days were VERY hard times compared to now on a every 
imaginable score.


Consider that an 60-80 hour week in a nasty dangerous factory was enough of 
an improvement that people flocked to the cities in droves to take 
advantage of the opportunity.
 Heat the parlor on Sunday, 2 pair of shoes, 2 pair of pants, three shirts 
and thrice darned socks, cabbage, turnips and potatoes on the table on 
weekdays and a chicken on Sunday was Well to do in the early 1900s.


Ode


At 08:24 AM 4/19/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Ode, can you support this statement?

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Ode Coyote 
mailto:odecoy...@windstream.netodecoy...@windstream.net wrote:


Nutrition today is vastly better than it was 100 years ago.


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CSAzomite. Buy at: www.Amoson.com

2010-04-20 Thread Tel Tofflemire

 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.

I said it several times , www.Amoson.com

From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 5:14:08 AM
Subject: Re: CSWas:H202, Now: Azomite

OK -- thanks.

 From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com

Try  -Amozon.com   for  AZOMITE   Bob is 1/2   right,   but they are 
putting it in animal feeds, as well as garden and crop fertilizers.  The 
animals always get tested first with the good stuff.

 From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net

Bob -- did you say where one could buy/order the Azomite?  Is this a farm-store 
product?  Thanks.

 From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net

If you have a garden or farm, a supplement like Azomite would be great to add 
to the soil as fertilizer. Your veggies would be brimming with minerals formed 
40 million years ago when these substances were in abundance.  Since factory 
farms don't use organic methods you will get only a few select minerals that 
might help grow the plants but do little for your varied needs.

CSThe plow turns the field over...who is the field?

2010-04-20 Thread Ode Coyote


##  Subjective MEANS the eyes and buds lie, the question is how much.
Any study can be selective. Those doing any given study are out to prove 
some point of view.
 Sure, no comparison between a home grown tomato and one bred for 
transport, but I detect no difference between a home grown potato, onion, 
carrot or head of lettuce and one in the grocery store.

Is there a difference beyond opinion?  That depends on who you ask.
Then there's that wavy definition of organic.
I have many friends that make a living growing produce that use no 
pesticides, but don't qualify as organic growers and won't because the 
difference isn't worth achieving or is simply below their standards of 
quality that command twice the price when intelligent and studied use of 
technology makes a lot of difference and an organic compound is the same 
compound regardless of origin.


But the issue was comparisons between todays foods [in general] and those 
of 100 years ago [in general]... organic by default [leaving out the 
little known fact of poisonous metals pesticides] and grown with ignorance 
with no conscious mineral supplementation of soils.
Did THEY have any nutritional advantage over modern commercial foods...in 
that specific context?
Point being, is Agribiz an improvement over the old old way, despite any 
further recent improvements over that, that go beyond Agribiz?


Let's not be tossing pears into the apples and oranges basket.
 Changing the subject doesn't prove, or even illustrate, any points even 
if the data and studies are unbiased.


Even harder would be the difference between GMO of today and GMO of 
10-20,000 years ago.
We have no records of people selected out [culled] by sensitivities, 
allergies and such to compare, only that the Gift of the Gods was an 
over all BOON to civilization in general. [Not that Monsanto has any idea 
of what it's doing..or even that the Gods did...but nobody took the 
Gods to court or counted the losers as most people eventually won over 
the 100s of centuries. ]
And we can probably show how saving people that would otherwise perish 
with a change generally regarded as an improvement [or not], genetically 
weakens the entire human race setting it up for a disaster that wouldn't 
have happened had natural selection within existing context [natural or 
not ] been allowed.


Point:  Nature is much more unforgiving than a studied meddling with it, 
but there are always those unintended consequences that the cruelty of 
nature may have avoided... WITH or WITHOUT the meddling.  Too much success 
can be just as bad as not enough and some will always fail to adjust while 
others vastly benefit.


Nature can be defined as what is, regardless of what was just as 
*normal* isn't a constant.
Nature doesn't have any opinions, only results...no matter who screwed with 
it or how, it is what it is...now.

 Are we better off now than 100 years ago?  Absolutely !
 Can we do better?...for sure we can.
BUT, what happens next, because of that?

If the world goes organic and green [improves ], a heck of a lot of 
people won't be around any more that depend on the LAST Green Revolution 
[Agribiz] to stay alive.
 We go to Ethanol and other people go hungry.  Why were we feeding them to 
the growth point where they can't feed themselves to start with?
Long term cruelty in the name of short term compassion?   Saved for the 
massacre ?


..all this help is gonna kill a bunch of folx that otherwise wouldn't be 
here to die. Go figger.


Ode  [ Shot by a looter that will starve later. ]

At 07:16 AM 4/19/2010 -0700, you wrote:

Ode,

Here is a study showing that organically grown foods do indeed 
contain more nutrients, including trace minerals, than non organic 
foods.  Most studies done have been flawed and carried out by huge 
agribusiness concerns.


http://www.grinningplanet.com/2005/12-27/health-benefits-of-organic-food-article.htm

   I  know personally that when I grow my own veggies they taste better 
and look better than non organic varieties from the grocery.  Although 
this is subjective my taste buds and my eyes don't lie.




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Re: CSAzomite. Buy at: www.Amoson.com

2010-04-20 Thread needling around

I believe it is www.amazon.com 
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: Tel Tofflemire 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:17 AM
  Subject: CSAzomite. Buy at: www.Amoson.com

  Tel Tofflemire
  Dewey, AZ.

  I said it several times , www.Amoson.com

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  From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 5:14:08 AM
  Subject: Re: CSWas:H202, Now: Azomite

  OK -- thanks.

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  From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com

  Try  - Amozon.com   for  AZOMITEBob is 1/2   right,   but they 
are putting it in animal feeds, as well as garden and crop fertilizers.  The 
animals always get tested first with the good stuff.

--
  From: MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net

  Bob -- did you say where one could buy/order the Azomite?  Is this a 
farm-store product?  Thanks.

--
  From: Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net

  If you have a garden or farm, a supplement like Azomite would be great to add 
to the soil as fertilizer. Your veggies would be brimming with minerals formed 
40 million years ago when these substances were in abundance.  Since factory 
farms don't use organic methods you will get only a few select minerals that 
might help grow the plants but do little for your varied needs.

CStomatos

That's mean.





From: Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com


For a good time ... if you know someone who has just planted tomatoes, and the 
plants are growing nicely, but have no fruit yet, or just the little green 
beginnings of fruit, go to the store and buy a nice fat beefsteak tomato with 
some stem on it, and superglue it to the end of a stem on the tomato plant.  Be 
there when the plant's owner discovers it...

Great fun 



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Re: CStomatos

2010-04-20 Thread Frank

You make the call and then conference me?

From: MaryAnn Helland 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 6:33 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: CStomatos

That's mean.

From: Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com

For a good time ... if you know someone who has just planted tomatoes, and the 
plants are growing nicely, but have no fruit yet, or just the little green 
beginnings of fruit, go to the store and buy a nice fat beefsteak tomato with 
some stem on it, and superglue it to the end of a stem on the tomato plant.  Be 
there when the plant's owner discovers it...

Great fun 

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Re: CStomatos

Done deal!!





From: Frank frankcuns-r...@comcast.net



You make the call and then conference me?


From: MaryAnn Helland 
 

That's mean.





From: Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com


For a good time ... if you know someone who has just planted tomatoes, and the 
plants are growing nicely, but have no fruit yet, or just the little green 
beginnings of fruit, go to the store and buy a nice fat beefsteak tomato with 
some stem on it, and superglue it to the end of a stem on the tomato plant.  Be 
there when the plant's owner discovers it...

Great fun 



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Re: CSThe plow turns the field over...who is the field?

Ode,

I don't think it would be hard to prove the difference between foods 
naturally selected by nature over modern GMO foods of today.  I doubt we'd 
find pig genes in corn or wasp genes in soybeans etc.
- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:46 AM
Subject: CSThe plow turns the field over...who is the field?

##  Subjective MEANS the eyes and buds lie, the question is how much.
Any study can be selective. Those doing any given study are out to prove 
some point of view.
 Sure, no comparison between a home grown tomato and one bred for 
transport, but I detect no difference between a home grown potato, onion, 
carrot or head of lettuce and one in the grocery store.

Is there a difference beyond opinion?  That depends on who you ask.
Then there's that wavy definition of organic.
I have many friends that make a living growing produce that use no 
pesticides, but don't qualify as organic growers and won't because the 
difference isn't worth achieving or is simply below their standards of 
quality that command twice the price when intelligent and studied use of 
technology makes a lot of difference and an organic compound is the same 
compound regardless of origin.

But the issue was comparisons between todays foods [in general] and 
those of 100 years ago [in general]... organic by default [leaving out 
the little known fact of poisonous metals pesticides] and grown with 
ignorance with no conscious mineral supplementation of soils.
Did THEY have any nutritional advantage over modern commercial foods...in 
that specific context?
Point being, is Agribiz an improvement over the old old way, despite any 
further recent improvements over that, that go beyond Agribiz?

Let's not be tossing pears into the apples and oranges basket.
 Changing the subject doesn't prove, or even illustrate, any points even 
if the data and studies are unbiased.

Even harder would be the difference between GMO of today and GMO of 
10-20,000 years ago.
We have no records of people selected out [culled] by sensitivities, 
allergies and such to compare, only that the Gift of the Gods was an 
over all BOON to civilization in general. [Not that Monsanto has any 
idea of what it's doing..or even that the Gods did...but nobody took the 
Gods to court or counted the losers as most people eventually won over 
the 100s of centuries. ]
And we can probably show how saving people that would otherwise perish 
with a change generally regarded as an improvement [or not], genetically 
weakens the entire human race setting it up for a disaster that wouldn't 
have happened had natural selection within existing context [natural or 
not ] been allowed.

Point:  Nature is much more unforgiving than a studied meddling with it, 
but there are always those unintended consequences that the cruelty of 
nature may have avoided... WITH or WITHOUT the meddling.  Too much success 
can be just as bad as not enough and some will always fail to adjust while 
others vastly benefit.

Nature can be defined as what is, regardless of what was just as 
*normal* isn't a constant.
Nature doesn't have any opinions, only results...no matter who screwed 
with it or how, it is what it is...now.

 Are we better off now than 100 years ago?  Absolutely !
 Can we do better?...for sure we can.
BUT, what happens next, because of that?

If the world goes organic and green [improves ], a heck of a lot of 
people won't be around any more that depend on the LAST Green Revolution 
[Agribiz] to stay alive.
 We go to Ethanol and other people go hungry.  Why were we feeding them to 
the growth point where they can't feed themselves to start with?
Long term cruelty in the name of short term compassion?   Saved for the 
massacre ?

..all this help is gonna kill a bunch of folx that otherwise wouldn't be 
here to die. Go figger.

Ode  [ Shot by a looter that will starve later. ]

At 07:16 AM 4/19/2010 -0700, you wrote:

Ode,

Here is a study showing that organically grown foods do indeed 
contain more nutrients, including trace minerals, than non organic foods. 
Most studies done have been flawed and carried out by huge agribusiness 
concerns.

http://www.grinningplanet.com/2005/12-27/health-benefits-of-organic-food-article.htm

   I  know personally that when I grow my own veggies they taste better 
and look better than non organic varieties from the grocery.  Although 
this is subjective my taste buds and my eyes don't lie.

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Re: CSH202 - again

2010-04-20 Thread Marshall Dudley

Go to home depot or lowes and buy some tomato cages.  They will protect 
the tomatoes against almost everything, even deer and rabbits.  However 
if the problem only occurs during daylight, it might be birds, in which 
case throwing some cheesecloth over it will keep them out.


Marshall

Tony Moody wrote:
I don't go back 100 years ago but 60 years ago tomatoes were favourite 
food. Shop bought or home grown, us kids would eat them like fruit. 35 
years ago my kids were the same, eating tomatoes out of the frig as a 
snack. I now hate having to make my way past the skin like a condom and 
trying chew and swallow the pale, woody, tasteless flesh because it has 
lycopenes and is good for me. There is not much tomato left now. Its a 
sort of plastic facsimile. 

This past season I have grown them in a little patch and its a race every 
morning between me and whatever is out there that eats them. These have 
taste and they are satisfying. Next year they will be composted, 
watered and fed a compost tea. I like the idea of the H2o2 too.


OK,
Tony 



 On 19 Apr 2010 at 20:28, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote about : Subject : 
Re: CSH202 - again  

  

I don't think I'd eat a 100 year old tomato...

On the other hand,Chinese 100 year old eggs are supposed to be a
delicacy...

Chuck
If you pull the wings off a fly, does it become a walk?


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Re: CSthe good ole days?

Health is measured by looking at healthy people and generally people in 
western industrialized societies aren't considered models of health... even 
from 100 years ago.  To find health, look at people who are... like the 
Hunzas or others living in the Himalayas and then study their dietary 
habits.  It is those folks and their dietary habits who we try and emulate 
as best we can.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:36 AM
Subject: CSthe good ole days?


It's a generalized conclusion based on reading historical accounts over 
several years that include diet details and evidence of generalized 
malnutrition due to a lack of variety and availability, particularly 
during winters.


  Research the charts on average tallness and life spans over the 
years...life spans have almost doubled since the early 1800s.
Research farming practices over time and migrations due to crop failures 
and burned out farmland.
Note that scurvy, rickets and Vit A depletion blindness is almost unheard 
of in the modern world, where it was quite common as recently as the 40s.


Support?
Not counting medical intervention advances that mostly count past the age 
of 50, an age that at one time people didn't count on reaching at all...

Too much to even note details...day and night comparisons.
Pick a category and start reading about how things used to be, take a walk 
in the woods and wonder why the landscaping amongst tall  trees and 
multitudes of old foundations of homes, the evidence is evident all around 
you. Why did they abandon those hard won homes with the hand dug 
basement/root cellar? Where did they go?
The Good Ole Days were VERY hard times compared to now on a every 
imaginable score.


Consider that an 60-80 hour week in a nasty dangerous factory was enough 
of an improvement that people flocked to the cities in droves to take 
advantage of the opportunity.
 Heat the parlor on Sunday, 2 pair of shoes, 2 pair of pants, three shirts 
and thrice darned socks, cabbage, turnips and potatoes on the table on 
weekdays and a chicken on Sunday was Well to do in the early 1900s.


Ode


At 08:24 AM 4/19/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Ode, can you support this statement?

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Ode Coyote 
mailto:odecoy...@windstream.netodecoy...@windstream.net wrote:


Nutrition today is vastly better than it was 100 years ago.


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CSWater treatment

2010-04-20 Thread Harold MacDonald

Dr.Emoto is the one  I mean.
Google it and you'll get some great info.

Harold

Re: CStomatos

2010-04-20 Thread Steve G

Interesting idea.   How about supergluing a big ol' green bell pepper?

Steve
From: Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com

For a good time ... if you know someone who has just planted tomatoes, and the 
plants are growing nicely, but have no fruit yet, or just the little green 
beginnings of fruit, go to the store and buy a nice fat beefsteak tomato with 
some stem on it, and superglue it to the end of a stem on the tomato plant.  Be 
there when the plant's owner discovers it...

Great fun

CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

2010-04-20 Thread Del

Written in 2007, this is still totally relevant (warning: if you use a cell 
phone, you may not want to read this):

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=vaaid=7025

And a related site:
http://www.alikelydeath.com/

Del 





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Re: CSKilling poison ivy/oak

For a less toxic approach, try spraying them with d-limonene made from orange 
peels.  This will probably do the trick.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Christina Mattson 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 6:13 PM
  Subject: Re: CSKilling poison ivy/oak

  Leslie, i don't know right off hand, we don't have that problem where 
i live, but you may want to find out if there is anything it doesn't like. 
  for example i don't like dandelions on my lawn so i pour straight 
horse manure tea on them, it is pure nitrogen and they disapear within a week. 
In the past i have seen natural Herbicides somewhere on the web. Poison Oak and 
Ivy are pretty hardy and Round up will definately kill them.
  I don't use it because i have a child and pets that roam around.
  Good Luck
  Tina 

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  From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net

  Do ya'll know anything that will kill Poison Ivy or Poison Oak? I 
have a lot of it just taking over. 
  thanks,

Re: CStomatos

On the tomato plant?  Now that's funny!!!
MA





From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com



Interesting idea.   How about supergluing a big ol' green bell pepper?

Steve

From: Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com


For a good time ... if you know someone who has just planted tomatoes, and the 
plants are growing nicely, but have no fruit yet, or just the little green 
beginnings of fruit, go to the store and buy a nice fat beefsteak tomato with 
some stem on it, and superglue it to the end of a stem on the tomato plant.  
Be there when the plant's owner discovers it...

Great fun

Re: CSWater treatment

Great -- thanks.





From: Harold MacDonald har...@telus.net
To: Silver list silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 9:33:37 AM
Subject: CSWater treatment


Dr.Emoto is the one  I mean.
Google it and you'll get some great info.
 
Harold

Re: CSKilling poison ivy/oak

2010-04-20 Thread Leslie

Can I grind up orange peels or do I have to buy this with other ingredients in 
it? Leslie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Bob Banever 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 9:57 AM
  Subject: Re: CSKilling poison ivy/oak

  For a less toxic approach, try spraying them with d-limonene made from orange 
peels.  This will probably do the trick.
- Original Message - 
From: Christina Mattson 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: CSKilling poison ivy/oak

Leslie, i don't know right off hand, we don't have that problem 
where i live, but you may want to find out if there is anything it doesn't 
like. 
for example i don't like dandelions on my lawn so i pour straight 
horse manure tea on them, it is pure nitrogen and they disapear within a week. 
In the past i have seen natural Herbicides somewhere on the web. Poison Oak and 
Ivy are pretty hardy and Round up will definately kill them.
I don't use it because i have a child and pets that roam around.
Good Luck
Tina 

From: Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net

Do ya'll know anything that will kill Poison Ivy or Poison Oak? I 
have a lot of it just taking over. 
thanks,

Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

After my kids got very sick from WiFi in our home (absolutely confirmed 
via blood testing before and after WiFi exposure), I began a long, 
intinsive study of this stuff. I do not own a cell phone, and I do not 
welcome them in my home. I purchased $2,000.00+ in sophisticated 
instruments to verify my theories. One of them you put on your head, and 
it isn't a happy day when you can scientifically prove they are 
resonating with the human cranium.  Other instruments I've used show in 
some areas, the concentration of radiation is as high as if you stuffed 
your head in a microwave oven.  It is impossible for all of this to be 
an accident, Ok?  Without going into huge detail, and some of it is very 
ugly, I will just say the following.


It is my universal recommendation to people to remove /*all*/ wireless 
technology from your home. Do not use a cell phone, if you do, keep your 
usage very low and keep the phone in your car or leave it at work, do 
not carry it on your body. Don't bring them into the home, and certainly 
not where you sleep.  The phone I recommend at this time is Tracfone 
brand, you can pay cash for it, then turn it on without identifying 
anything. Make sure to activate it in an area other than your home 
because the second a phone is first activated it GPS-Tags the location. 
Dispose of this phone every year, and get another one.


There is quite a push to get a whole lot of these frequencies in our 
homes and on our bodies. Look for hidden sources of wireless 
frequencies. Your gas/electric meters, shavers, printers, paper 
shredders, even some appliances have them now. Some newer cameras are 
GPS/Cell enabled without you knowing it(and thus, giving off freqs), 
they also tag EXIF/MetaData information on the picture to identify the 
coordinates it was snapped at.  Your intuition will guide you if you do 
not have the time, money, or desire to invest in instruments to track 
them down. New printers print secret codes on every page you print 
now(and some GPS), by secret order of the US Govt.. You have to go quite 
a ways down the rabbit hole to find most of this stuff out, and the 
first thing that goes when you do, is your innocent view of the world.  
Fear is your enemy in this case.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7E36zGHxRwfeature=player_embedded
*Live Blood  Electrosmog *

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/18/AR2005101801663.html
*Sleuths Crack Tracking Code Discovered in Color Printers*

http://www.mmisoftware.co.uk/pages/photogpseditor.html
*Map coordinates hidden in photograph meta-data*. (Many modern cameras, 
ALL cell phone cameras do this)


Also your license plate now has hidden codes in it. Examine your plate 
under varying light conditions, and you will see it, pay very close 
attention, it's only visible under specific conditions.  If you want to 
go any further than this down the rabbit hole, just let me know. This is 
usually more than enough for most people to understand what is happening.


Oh sorry, I went way off topic.  It sort of all ties in together once 
you start down the investigation path of wireless techs, which is where 
you will go after the cell phone thing gets exhausted.


Del wrote:
Written in 2007, this is still totally relevant (warning: if you use a 
cell phone, you may not want to read this):

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=vaaid=7025

And a related site:
http://www.alikelydeath.com/

Del

Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold

I can help you with this.  Did you know mold/pathogens/fungus grow 
better in higher EMF and Positive Ion fields?  It's true, and they've 
known about this for decades.  Now think about all of those positive ion 
generators (cell towers) dotting the landscape to know the gravity of 
this situation!  That means WiFi in your home, and other wireless techs, 
you are inadvertently increasing the amount of serious pathogens in your 
environment. I always recommend people toss out their wireless techs, if 
nothing else, because of the damage they can do to your blood. These 
days in my tests, I find a lot of people have something I call 
EMF-Asthma, it's electronically induced!  Anyway...


What I would do?  Introduce negative ions into your basement using one 
of the actual working ionizers out there.  I have a very expensive 
instrument to test ions, and I can tell you 99% of every single negative 
ionizer sold in major retailers simple doesn't work - at all. (and I 
only found 2 on the internet what worked as advertised) Negative ions 
also keep the mold spores from staying airborne and entering your 
bloodstream.


I have 8 of these in my home: 
http://www.mysticmarvels.com/ionprojector1.html   (Including the 
basement to keep harmful mold from growing)


Second thing, I have my own cleaning/disinfectant/fungal/mold killing 
solution I created, it works amazingly well. I use it everywhere. I will 
give you the ingredients, and you can make it yourself. Depending on 
container size I vary the amount of ingredients.  You can spray this on 
walls to keep mold from growing.


Ingredients are:
Colloidal Silver (home made)
Eucalyptus Oil (2-3 droppers)
Camhor Oil (2-3 droppers)
Grapefruit Seed Extract (1 full dropper)
Holy Water (I'm spiritual, I use it everywhere)

I use 100% essential oils from Ebay, quite cheap.  Put it all on a spray 
bottle, shake it up real good, then use it anywhere you want. In my 
opinion it also kills weaponized pathogens, nematodes, H1N1, Morgellans, 
and most likely MRSA and other things. I use it everywhere, and 
sometimes I vary the recipe a good bit to keep the pathogens off 
balance. Such as adding Tea Tree once in awhile, or whatever.  You can 
place this into a bucket, then use a mop on your walls to kill off or 
prevent mold growth.


Vinegar is a powerful ally as well, keep a couple gallons in the home, 
you can clean and spray with this to keep mold down as well!


Some additional links...

http://www.nutritionreview.org/library/negative.ions.html
Consumer devices that utilize negative ion-generating technology have 
been shown to eliminate airborne pollutants, dust, cigarette smoke, pet 
dander, pollen, mold spores, viruses, and bacteria from the air. 
Negative ions have long been attributed to improvements in mood and 
physical health. Research supports the view that negative ions have a 
net positive effect on health, including improved mood, stabilized 
catecholamine regulation and circadian rhythm, enhanced recovery from 
physical exertion and protection from positive ion-related stress and 
exhaustion disorders.


http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/
Refreshing Negative Ions *Help Eliminate* pollen, *mold spore*s, dust, 
pet dander, and many other allergy causing particulates from the air you 
breathe.


(just another type of ionizer)
http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/living/pcig/en/prod01/iga100w/f_iga100w.html
*decomposes and eliminates airborne mold fungus and viruses.*

Lisa wrote:


Hi All,

 

Our boiler died on Friday leaving us with several inches of water in 
the basement which traveled to carpeted areas. We have vacuumed and 
also have a dehumidifier running...and it's lots better but definitely 
still damp. It wasn't caught right away so there was steam everywhere 
and condensation on the walls (almost like a sauna etc.). The boiler 
will be fixed this week (hopefully...funds are low blah blah blah) but 
my major concern is mold and mildew. Does anybody have any ideas on 
how to PREVENT mold from starting? Anything would be helpful as I'm 
just about clueless...we can't afford Serve Pro or any other 
professional to come in and help. I do have a pretty good sized fan 
(it sounds like an airplane) that I can use...but it's been raining 
all weekend (yea...NOT!) and didn't think it made any sense opening up 
the windows to potentially allow any more moisture IN.


 


Anybody? Please?

 

And I thank you for even the silliest idea as aside from running the 
dehumidifier (which by no means is commercial) -- I honestly don't 
have a clue.


 


Thanks SO much.

 


Lisa

CSThe list addy

I have been trying to access the website in order to give someone instructions 
to join -- and I keep getting a message that there is no 
silver-l...@eskimo.com.  Anyone know what's going on?
MA

Re: CSThe list addy

2010-04-20 Thread Marshall Dudley


MaryAnn Helland wrote:
I have been trying to access the website in order to give someone 
instructions to join -- and I keep getting a message that there is no 
silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com.  Anyone know 
what's going on?

MA
silver-list@eskimo.com is an email address, not a web site. The web site 
is http://eskimo.com


Marshall


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Re: CSThe list addy

Ahh -- thank you Marshall -- at the bottom of your post was the information I 
was looking for.  It's silverlist.ORG -- not silverlist.com (I always get the 
two confused).  I looked for that footer on a bunch of messages this morning, 
and it was missing.  I guess everybody is doing a good job of trimming their 
posts!!  :-D
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Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold

2010-04-20 Thread Michael Zangari

I have a similar history with negative ionizers. I'd say that ion density is 
really the key factor in preventing mold and other bacteria from getting out of 
hand.
 
What exactly is produced by contemporary negative ion generators/
i thought this was an interesting tidbit.
  best.
   =z=





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From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com
Subject: Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 11:43 AM


I can help you with this.  Did you know mold/pathogens/fungus grow better in 
higher EMF and Positive Ion fields?  It's true, and they've known about this 
for decades.  Now think about all of those positive ion generators (cell 
towers) dotting the landscape to know the gravity of this situation!  That 
means WiFi in your home, and other wireless techs, you are inadvertently 
increasing the amount of serious pathogens in your environment. I always 
recommend people toss out their wireless techs, if nothing else, because of the 
damage they can do to your blood. These days in my tests, I find a lot of 
people have something I call EMF-Asthma, it's electronically induced!  
Anyway...

What I would do?  Introduce negative ions into your basement using one of the 
actual working ionizers out there.  I have a very expensive instrument to test 
ions, and I can tell you 99% of every single negative ionizer sold in major 
retailers simple doesn't work - at all. (and I only found 2 on the internet 
what worked as advertised) Negative ions also keep the mold spores from staying 
airborne and entering your bloodstream.

I have 8 of these in my home: http://www.mysticmarvels.com/ionprojector1.html   
(Including the basement to keep harmful mold from growing)

Second thing, I have my own cleaning/disinfectant/fungal/mold killing solution 
I created, it works amazingly well. I use it everywhere. I will give you the 
ingredients, and you can make it yourself. Depending on container size I vary 
the amount of ingredients.  You can spray this on walls to keep mold from 
growing.

Ingredients are:
Colloidal Silver (home made)
Eucalyptus Oil (2-3 droppers)
Camhor Oil (2-3 droppers)
Grapefruit Seed Extract (1 full dropper)
Holy Water (I'm spiritual, I use it everywhere)

I use 100% essential oils from Ebay, quite cheap.  Put it all on a spray 
bottle, shake it up real good, then use it anywhere you want. In my opinion it 
also kills weaponized pathogens, nematodes, H1N1, Morgellans, and most likely 
MRSA and other things. I use it everywhere, and sometimes I vary the recipe a 
good bit to keep the pathogens off balance. Such as adding Tea Tree once in 
awhile, or whatever.  You can place this into a bucket, then use a mop on your 
walls to kill off or prevent mold growth.

Vinegar is a powerful ally as well, keep a couple gallons in the home, you can 
clean and spray with this to keep mold down as well!

Some additional links...

http://www.nutritionreview.org/library/negative.ions.html
Consumer devices that utilize negative ion-generating technology have been 
shown to eliminate airborne pollutants, dust, cigarette smoke, pet dander, 
pollen, mold spores, viruses, and bacteria from the air. Negative ions have 
long been attributed to improvements in mood and physical health. Research 
supports the view that negative ions have a net positive effect on health, 
including improved mood, stabilized catecholamine regulation and circadian 
rhythm, enhanced recovery from physical exertion and protection from positive 
ion-related stress and exhaustion disorders. 

http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/
Refreshing Negative Ions Help Eliminate pollen, mold spores, dust, pet dander, 
and many other allergy causing particulates from the air you breathe.

(just another type of ionizer)
http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/living/pcig/en/prod01/iga100w/f_iga100w.html
decomposes and eliminates airborne mold fungus and viruses.

Lisa wrote: 






Hi All,
 
Our boiler died on Friday leaving us with several inches of water in the 
basement which traveled to carpeted areas. We have vacuumed and also have a 
dehumidifier running…and it’s lots better but definitely still damp. It wasn’t 
caught right away so there was steam everywhere and condensation on the walls 
(almost like a sauna etc.). The boiler will be fixed this week (hopefully…funds 
are low blah blah blah) but my major concern is mold and mildew. Does anybody 
have any ideas on how to PREVENT mold from starting? Anything would be helpful 
as I’m just about clueless…we can’t afford Serve Pro or any other professional 
to come in and help. I do have a pretty good sized fan (it sounds like an 
airplane) that I can use…but it’s been raining all weekend (yea…NOT!) and 
didn’t think it made any sense

Re: CStomatos

hahahahaha -- love it!  Next time...  :-)

It's kinda like that trick where your neighbor gets a new car and you sneak 
over there every night and pour in a gallon of his favorite gasoline, then put 
up with his bragging about what great mileage he gets ... then you stop doing 
it, and enjoy his attempts to get the dealership to fix his sudden drop in 
mileage... :-)

Dick







From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 10:51:06 AM
Subject: Re: CStomatos


Interesting idea.   How about supergluing a big ol' green bell pepper?

Steve

From: Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com


For a good time ... if you know someone who has just planted tomatoes, and the 
plants are growing nicely, but have no fruit yet, or just the little green 
beginnings of fruit, go to the store
 and buy a nice fat beefsteak tomato with some stem on it, and superglue it to 
 the end of a stem on the tomato plant.  Be there when the plant's owner 
 discovers it...

Great fun

Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

Well, yeah, if you are going to work every day in front of a high power 
microwave antenna, a situation akin to living inside a low power microwave oven 
for hours every day, with enough power to heat your jewelry so that it burns 
you you, the I suppose you could expect some other effects on your body.

Would You go back to work there after you caught on to what was happening???  I 
sure wouldn't.

Do I think using my cellphone is going to have the same effect on me?  Nope, 
not by a factor of the square of my distance from any such antenna.

Dick





- Original Message 
From: Del d...@altsystem.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 10:50:47 AM
Subject: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

Written in 2007, this is still totally relevant (warning: if you use a cell 
phone, you may not want to read this):
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=vaaid=7025

And a related site:
http://www.alikelydeath.com/

Del 



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Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold

How does a radio transmitter produce positive ions?

Dick

From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 11:43:07 AM
Subject: Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold

I can help you with this.  Did you know mold/pathogens/fungus grow
better in higher EMF and Positive Ion fields?  It's true, and they've
known about this for decades.  Now think about all of those positive
ion generators (cell towers) dotting the landscape to know the gravity
of this situation!  That means WiFi in your home, and other wireless
techs, you are inadvertently increasing the amount of serious pathogens
in your environment. I always recommend people toss out their wireless
techs, if nothing else, because of the damage they can do to your
blood. These days in my tests, I find a lot of people have something I
call EMF-Asthma, it's electronically induced!  Anyway...

What I would do?  Introduce negative ions into your basement using one
of the actual working ionizers out there.  I have a very expensive
instrument to test ions, and I can tell you 99% of every single
negative ionizer sold in major retailers simple doesn't work - at all.
(and I only found 2 on the internet what worked as advertised) Negative
ions also keep the mold spores from staying airborne and entering your
bloodstream.

I have 8 of these in my home: http://www.mysticmarvels.com/ionprojector1.html  
(Including the
basement to keep harmful mold from growing)

Second thing, I have my own cleaning/disinfectant/fungal/mold killing
solution I created, it works amazingly well. I use it everywhere. I
will give you the ingredients, and you can make it yourself. Depending
on container size I vary the amount of ingredients.  You can spray this
on walls to keep mold from growing.

Ingredients are:
Colloidal Silver (home made)
Eucalyptus Oil (2-3 droppers)
Camhor Oil (2-3 droppers)
Grapefruit Seed Extract (1 full dropper)
Holy Water (I'm spiritual, I use it everywhere)

I use 100% essential oils from Ebay, quite cheap.  Put it all on a
spray bottle, shake it up real good, then use it anywhere you want. In
my opinion it also kills weaponized pathogens, nematodes, H1N1,
Morgellans, and most likely MRSA and other things. I use it everywhere,
and sometimes I vary the recipe a good bit to keep the pathogens off
balance. Such as adding Tea Tree once in awhile, or whatever.  You can
place this into a bucket, then use a mop on your walls to kill off or
prevent mold growth.

Vinegar is a powerful ally as well, keep a couple gallons in the home,
you can clean and spray with this to keep mold down as well!

Some additional links...

http://www.nutritionreview.org/library/negative.ions.html
Consumer devices that utilize negative ion-generating technology have
been shown to eliminate airborne pollutants, dust, cigarette smoke, pet
dander, pollen, mold spores, viruses, and bacteria from the air.
Negative ions have long been attributed to improvements in mood and
physical health. Research supports the view that negative ions have a
net positive effect on health, including improved mood, stabilized
catecholamine regulation and circadian rhythm, enhanced recovery from
physical exertion and protection from positive ion-related stress and
exhaustion disorders. 

http://www.negativeiongenerators.com/
Refreshing Negative Ions Help Eliminate pollen, mold spores,
dust, pet dander, and many other allergy causing particulates from the
air you breathe.

(just another type of ionizer)
http://www.sharp.co.jp/products/living/pcig/en/prod01/iga100w/f_iga100w.html
decomposes and eliminates airborne mold fungus and viruses.

Lisa wrote: 

Hi All,

Our boiler died on Friday
leaving us with several inches of
water in the basement which traveled to carpeted areas. We have
vacuumed and
also have a dehumidifier running…and it’s lots better but
definitely still damp. It wasn’t caught right away so there was steam
everywhere and condensation on the walls (almost like a sauna etc.).
The boiler
will be fixed this week (hopefully…funds are low blah blah blah) but my
major concern is mold and mildew. Does anybody have any ideas on how to
PREVENT
mold from starting? Anything would be helpful as I’m just about
clueless…we
can’t afford Serve Pro or any other professional to come in and help. I
do have a pretty good sized fan (it sounds like an airplane) that I can
use…but
it’s been raining all weekend (yea…NOT!) and didn’t think it
made any sense opening up the windows to potentially allow any more
moisture
IN.

Anybody? Please?

And I thank you for even
the silliest idea as aside from
running the dehumidifier (which by no means is commercial) – I honestly
don’t have a clue.

Thanks SO much.

Lisa

Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold

2010-04-20 Thread Christina Mattson

Yes and your very welcome
Tina

--- On Mon, 4/19/10, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:

From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
Subject: Re: CSHELP! Could use some advice on PREVENTING mold
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 11:46 PM

Thanks for the reply Tina.  I am assuming here that the H202 you are using is 
already diluted to 3%.  Is that right?  Many thanks.  dee

On 19 Apr 2010, at 23:55, Christina Mattson wrote:

 Hi Dee, This is what works best for me. 1 ounce of H2O2, 1 ounce of EIS, and 
 31 ounces of regular water unless it has chlorine in it because thats not 
 really good for the plants and with the H2O2.  If you didn't use the either 
 the EIS or the H2O2 than use 32 ounces
 (1 quart of water) Spray in on and water with it too because that will 
 strengthen the plants imune system as well. During times of high humidity 
 this may be a regular maintenance thing but if the imune system is strong it 
 may not happen as often.
 Also i just want to share this, Trace mineral spray does wonders for plants, 
 it has cured various viruses on my tomatoes. i also read that CS is great for 
 plant virus so ill be using that with H2O2 on half my plants and EIS with 
 H2O2 on the other to see which does best.
 a bottle of Spray n Grow- (Trace Minerals) is expensive but it lasts for 3 
 months used every two weeks or less. Another bonus to trace minerals is that 
 the plants were resistant to infestation when they were directly next to 
 several plants that had aphids.
 Tina

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Re: CSH202 - again - tomatos

2010-04-20 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick

you have a cheeky side Dick!  dee

On 20 Apr 2010, at 13:49, Richard Goodwin wrote:

 For a good time ... if you know someone who has just planted tomatoes, and 
 the plants are growing nicely, but have no fruit yet, or just the little 
 green beginnings of fruit, go to the store and buy a nice fat beefsteak 
 tomato with some stem on it, and superglue it to the end of a stem on the 
 tomato plant.  Be there when the plant's owner discovers it...
 
 Great fun
 
 
 


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Re: CSNasal spray

2010-04-20 Thread Rowena






Old Posts - not sure of year - Properties says April 2009 but I'm not 
sure I believe it.  Certainly Daddybob's experience is way older than 
that - probably closer to the time I joined the list, some 7 years ago 
perhaps.  - Ah, six years - I see DB says 2004.

Rowena

NASAL SPRAY  (CS Posts)



Add  one teaspoon xylitol to 8 ounces of  Cs and stir till dissolved. 
You may add a  few drops or 1/5 teaspoon DMSO or MSM if available-makes 
it a little more effective.  Put the solution in an old nasal spray 
bottle or in a Neti cup for usage-or just lie on your back and use a dropper




I have been using this formula plus 4 drops Grapefruit Seed Extract, 
plus a t of H2O2 since November of 2003 in the eyedropper plus personal 
humidifier.  It helped but did not clear up my sinus infection.  After 
reading JOH message of increasing DMSO to 15%, I increased DMSO to 20%.  
It burned but some blockage let go with 3 eyedroppers full of formula in 
each nostril and the formula went down my throat.  It was not doing that 
before.  Now I use only one dropper full for each 3 minute head over bed 
and then face down over edge of the bed.  I added more CS to get the 
DMSO back down to 15%.  I also have Asthma and a Hiatal Hernia which I 
am hoping will get better if I can clear up my sinus infection.


Brickey

Dick said,
 Regarding the 35% H2O2, did you work up to 5 drops or just start out 
there, and did you increase the amount to 20 or 25 drops as some 
suggest, or always stay at 5? Also, did you always take it on an empty 
stomach? Sometimes it will make you nauseous if taken with food in your 
stomach, I understand.


  My response: 5 drops in a glass of water rarely causes a feeling of 
nausea for me whether taken on an empty stomach or not. More than that 
can. One woman reported working up  to 25 drops 3Xday (shudder), which 
erased her severe Candida symptoms. She said that 10 drops per day keeps 
the symptoms away.  I could never do more than 10 drops in one glass of 
water without feeling nauseated. But I can drink 5 drops in water 
several times per day without any  nausea. I would expect 10 drops or 
more to be more  effective, but I am not willing to feel nauseated.


Someone said:  I mixed a fresh batch of 2 oz. CS and 1/4 teaspoon of 
Xylitol


  Does Xylitol only come in one form? Liquid? Powder? Only one strength 
or potency? That would be an important consideration if using 1/4 
teaspoon. Stevia comes in a variety of forms (powder, liquid, herbal), 
so 1/4 tsp would only apply to a particular form. Is the same true of 
Xylitol?


From: daddybob52954 Subject: CS  Xylitol vs. Sinus Infection  I've got 
a story to tell about CS  Xylitol nasal spray. It's one of the most 
interesting things I have seen happen in such a short time. I'm posting 
this to several groups and forums to which I subscribe. Somebody will 
need this. I've not had a full blown cold or flu for about 3 years. In 
that time I have successfully avoided them usually with CS, Bragg's 
Vinegar, and Four Thieves Vinegar made with Bragg's, and other things as 
well. Those that I haven't avoided altogether by those methods, I have 
successfully killed off quickly with Beck Blood Electrification (BE). 
This winter I have headed off the flu for a week, then finally killed it 
with BE, and had a herx the next day. About 3 weeks ago I killed off a 
little cold a couple of days after I caught it with only a few sniffles. 
It has been a cold, wet 10 weeks here since the first of the year, with 
lots of colds and flu passing through. The weather has worked hard on my 
livelihood and my attitude, and I have gotten slack about all my 
precautions. Several days ago I knew I was exposed to a nasty cold. I 
knew to get started with all my precautions but I just plain didn't do 
it. By Friday 3-5-04 I was getting a nasty scratchy throat. Whatever 
this crud is, it starts that way instead of in the roof of my mouth like 
usual. I used my Walgreen's Personal Ultrasonic Humidifier with CS to 
fix the closing-in-feeling in my throat. The next day, Saturday, it 
migrated to my sinuses. It put me on the couch by Sat. night and all day 
Sunday 3-7. I did all my usual stuff religiously. By Monday I was 
ambulatory but not well. Tuesday 3-9 I had most of my strength back. It 
was over late that day. BUT! I couldn't stay out of the weather because 
of the demands of work, and a sinus infection began to form. I haven't 
had one in over 4 years. I fought it first with a nasal spray of 
CS/MSM/H2O2/Xylitol but it wasn't doing too much. I then fought it with 
nasal spray of 2 oz. CS  1/3 dropper of DMSO. That helped ! a lot and 
nearly knocked it out, until the weather got colder and work demanded 
that I stay outside. After being out in cold winds Fri.  Sat., my left 
sinus was impacted and I sounded like a foghorn. My left upper teeth 
were all starting to ache around my root canals. It was getting bad. I 
knew by Sat. afternoon that I had to try something

RE: CSAzomite. Buy at: www.Amoson.com

2010-04-20 Thread Nenah Sylver

From: Tel Tofflemire telt...@yahoo.com

Try  - Amozon.com http://amozon.com/for  AZOMITEBob is 1/2
right,   but they are putting it in animal feeds, as well as garden and crop
fertilizers.  The animals always get tested first with the good stuff.

  _  

From: Tel Tofflemire [mailto:telt...@yahoo.com] 

Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.

I said it several times , www.Amoson.com

===
Tel,

Please check the spelling. When I typed www http://www.amoson.com/
.Amoson.com

Into my browser, Amazon.com (the bookseller) came up.

The same thing happened with www.amozon.com http://www.amozon.com/   (with
the z instead of the s). I didn't have time to search more than a few pages
for the site I actually wanted. Guess when you're a large company like
Amazon, it pays to buy up many other site names to accommodate people's
misspellings. G

I have seen this stuff advertised in the radical farming newsmagazine, Acres
USA. So people who want it might have better luck going there. Acres also
has a website, http://www.acresusa.com/magazines/magazine.htm 

By the way, Tel, I meant to mention how much I enjoyed your recent account
of your family history.

Best,

Nenah

Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

2010-04-20 Thread Del

If you sit next to a Wi-Fi base unit, you are absorbing more radiation than 
my electrosmog detector could measure (pegged it at max).

Likewise if you sit in front of a cordless phone base unit.
Likewise if you stay in the same room with an operating microwave oven.
Likewise when you key your cell phone or cordless laptop (some are worse 
than others, iphone probably worst of all).
If you are within 900 feet or so of an operating tower, you burn slowly 
rather than quickly.
Over many years the damage mounts up, because the radiation is unrelenting, 
24/7, and the damage is cumulative.
There are many reports of various illnesses (mostly cancer) in the vicinity 
of these towers after years of exposure.
There are also plenty of in vitro studies that have demonstrated cellular 
damage from tower exposure.

Do the research.  You might reevaluate.

Del
- Original Message - 
From: Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation


Well, yeah, if you are going to work every day in front of a high power 
microwave antenna, a situation akin to living inside a low power microwave 
oven for hours every day, with enough power to heat your jewelry so that 
it burns you you, the I suppose you could expect some other effects on 
your body.


Would You go back to work there after you caught on to what was 
happening???  I sure wouldn't.


Do I think using my cellphone is going to have the same effect on me? 
Nope, not by a factor of the square of my distance from any such antenna.


Dick





- Original Message 
From: Del d...@altsystem.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 10:50:47 AM
Subject: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

Written in 2007, this is still totally relevant (warning: if you use a 
cell phone, you may not want to read this):

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=vaaid=7025

And a related site:
http://www.alikelydeath.com/

Del







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Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

 Do the research

Unfortunately, it is hard or impossible to prove a negative, and for every 
theory out there, whether crackpot or legitimate, there seems to be some 
research that proves the theory true.  If I believed all the research out 
there, I would drive myself crazy trying to avoid all the dangerous things in 
this world.  Or I would live a short miserable life and die early of hunger, 
thirst and utter boredom.

My parents went for years drinking decaf coffee because caffeine was bad for 
you, then they found out decaf was worse.  They went for years avoiding eggs 
because they were bad for you, now eggs aren't bad any more.  After seeing so 
many bad things become ok years later, and so many government-sanctioned good 
things be found to be bad, I'm not prepared to take anything at face value, 
especially if it comes from government, and second if it comes from research 
studies, which can be twisted, bent, or just plain broken, by anybody with the 
money to commission them and a preconceived idea of what the studies will 
prove.

Even the most obvious facts of modern life, accepted almost universally by 
everyone without question, can be based on blatantly bad science or statistics. 
 Take for example the claim that smoking kills 500,000 people a year because it 
causes heart disease, which is the nation's biggest killer.  Is that true?  I 
have no doubt that smoking is bad for people, but ... is it That bad?

To answer that question I looked in some of those Information Please almanac 
books that give tons of statistics, including causes of death in the US by 
category:  heart disease, cancer, accidents, etc. -- 50 some categories, and 
sure enough, cardio-vascular disease was right up there at the top of the list 
by a mile.  But ... something is missing from all those lists.  Look long 
enough and you might see it too, but it is easy to miss, because it IS NOT 
THERE:  According to our illustrious government, nobody dies of old age!  What 
a miracle that is!  The government has cured OLD AGE!  Must be, since they 
claim that nobody dies from it.

My guess is simply that old age is not something doctors are allowed to enter 
on a death certificate as a cause of death, so they have to write something 
else, and when in doubt, they put down heart stopped' or some such thing.  But 
does that make for another death from heart disease?  obviously not.  

So how many of those are there? 

To answer that question i sent for a publication by the National Safety 
Council, which resides in Chicago, and which is the source, along with National 
Department of Health and Human Services (a few years ago) of almost all the 
information in the statistical almanac books.  NSC sent me a little booklet 
that contained, among many other things, a graph of cardio-vascular death rates 
vs age.  Sure enough, the numbers were very low right up to the late 60s or 
early 70s, when they started to ramp up, reaching a sharp peak around 80, then 
dropping down again.

Where are all the heart disease deaths at other stages of life?  Not to be 
found in that graph, that's for sure.  But then again, the only way to find 
that tidbit of information was to buy a little pamphlet for $25 (in 1990), from 
the National Safety Council, which by the way is an independent corporation in 
Chicago, chartered by and overseen by -- US Congress.  Ok, so now we know where 
the numbers, and the lies, are coming from for this issue.

Don't even get me started on drinking and driving

Dick





- Original Message 
From: Del d...@altsystem.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 2:41:00 PM
Subject: Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

If you sit next to a Wi-Fi base unit, you are absorbing more radiation than my 
electrosmog detector could measure (pegged it at max).
Likewise if you sit in front of a cordless phone base unit.
Likewise if you stay in the same room with an operating microwave oven.
Likewise when you key your cell phone or cordless laptop (some are worse than 
others, iphone probably worst of all).
If you are within 900 feet or so of an operating tower, you burn slowly rather 
than quickly.
Over many years the damage mounts up, because the radiation is unrelenting, 
24/7, and the damage is cumulative.
There are many reports of various illnesses (mostly cancer) in the vicinity of 
these towers after years of exposure.
There are also plenty of in vitro studies that have demonstrated cellular 
damage from tower exposure.
Do the research.  You might reevaluate.

Del


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Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

2010-04-20 Thread sol


Richard Goodwin wrote:
My guess is simply that old age is not something doctors are allowed to enter on a death certificate as a cause of death, so they have to write something else, and when in doubt, they put down heart stopped' or some such thing.  But does that make for another death from heart disease?  obviously not.  
  
My mother's death certificate says she died of pneumonia..in 
fact she had had COPD for a couple decades, had an enlarged heart, rigid 
damaged lungs (COPD I guess is the cause of that), etc, etc, 
etc.and Binswanger's disease, no thyroid gland (but they took 
her completely off thyroid medication anyway! talk about cause of 
death)but when her organs were failing at the last, her 
lungs filled with fluid, so they wrote pneumonia on the death 
certificate.but to my mind, the pneumonia is just what happens 
when everything shuts down...geez. She was 89, and her heart had 
been failing for years, she had severe dropsy..anybody remember 
dropsy?

sol



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Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

2010-04-20 Thread Craig Chamberlin


Richard,

Thanks for taking the effort to write that.  Living in fear isn't any 
way to live.  And, the underlying truth is we are all going to DIE.


Another factor: infant mortality may be skewing the average age of 
death to a large degree.  We save infants that in no way would have 
survived 20 years ago let alone 40 years ago or more.


Regards,

Craig

Richard Goodwin wrote:

Do the research



Unfortunately, it is hard or impossible to prove a negative, and for every theory out 
there, whether crackpot or legitimate, there seems to be some research that 
proves the theory true.  If I believed all the research out there, I would drive myself 
crazy trying to avoid all the dangerous things in this world.  Or I would live a short 
miserable life and die early of hunger, thirst and utter boredom.

Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

Yeh -- I remember hearing about dropsy.  

My mother died supposedly of heart failure.  Yet another tick on the heart 
statistics.  She was 97.  Give me a break.

Dick





- Original Message 
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 20, 2010 4:03:45 PM
Subject: Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

Richard Goodwin wrote:
 My guess is simply that old age is not something doctors are allowed to 
 enter on a death certificate as a cause of death, so they have to write 
 something else, and when in doubt, they put down heart stopped' or some such 
 thing.  But does that make for another death from heart disease?  obviously 
 not.
My mother's death certificate says she died of pneumonia..in fact she 
had had COPD for a couple decades, had an enlarged heart, rigid damaged lungs 
(COPD I guess is the cause of that), etc, etc, etc.and Binswanger's 
disease, no thyroid gland (but they took her completely off thyroid medication 
anyway! talk about cause of death)but when her organs were failing 
at the last, her lungs filled with fluid, so they wrote pneumonia on the 
death certificate.but to my mind, the pneumonia is just what happens 
when everything shuts down...geez. She was 89, and her heart had been 
failing for years, she had severe dropsy..anybody remember dropsy?
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Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

Sadly, much of what you will find out there mainstream, is
disinformation. Seek the truth within, and you will be guided to
external events that give you the truth you sought. That's been my
experience.

I knew the entire anti-butter/egg movement was garbage, those are super
foods. In fact Dr. Weston Price found K2 before it was known as K2 (He
called it X-Factor) and a major source of this was butter and eggs, but
sourced from things fed greens, not grains. Did you hear that? A cow
fed grains doesn't have the ingredients essential for good life, either
for it, or us. So if you eat meat, only eat organic grass fed meat, Ok?
But this doesn't take science to tell us, it's really common sense. If
you start to get a holistic view of nature, and life, then the truth
will become self evident to you, and violations of natural law will be
revealed to be one of the trademarks of our nasty situation we're in.
Planet wide, and personally.

Smoking probably isn't too bad for you, the tobacco sold by major firms,
which has had radioactive particles sprayed on it is what kills you.
Did you know that? Most people do not know this, and it has been a
closely guarded secret for decades. That's right, major tobacco firms
that sell more than 100k of tobacco a year are required to purchase
radioactive spray from the govt. and spray it on their crops. What
kills you, slowly, is very tiny dosages of radioactive particles, over a
fairly extended period of time, lodged in your lungs, then spreading
into your bloodstream and it is those tiny particles that makes second
hand smoke deadly.. I'd bet nobody ever died from smoking organic,
home raised natural tobacco!

I'll give you one more carrot... Vitamin-D.. Have you wondered why
they're promoting Vitamin-D so much everywhere you look? Do they really
want you to live to 120-150 or is there something else behind this?
Let's examine the Material Handling Data Sheet for D3, what does it say?
It's listed as a class 3 poison, right up there with arsenic. Long term
ingestion can cause mental retardation, and cognitive disorder (free
will). Anything over 5 pounds of D transported has to have toxic
certification labels. (Placard). No other vitamin has this warning,
nada, none of them, perhaps this is why Vitamin-D makes the most
effective rat poison on the planet. Which rodent do they use in clinical
trials again? That's right, Rats. How many people know Vitamin-D is a
major ingredient in most rodent poisons? You need sunshine, not rat
poison, Ok?

People brag about a 70 or 80 year lifespan, nonsense, humans should be
living into their 120's.

Richard Goodwin wrote:

Do the research

Unfortunately, it is hard or impossible to prove a negative, and for every theory out
there, whether crackpot or legitimate, there seems to be some research that
proves the theory true. If I believed all the research out there, I would drive myself
crazy trying to avoid all the dangerous things in this world. Or I would live a short
miserable life and die early of hunger, thirst and utter boredom.

My parents went for years drinking decaf coffee because caffeine was bad for you, then they found out decaf
was worse. They went for years avoiding eggs because they were bad for you, now eggs aren't bad any more.
After seeing so many bad things become ok years later, and so many government-sanctioned good
things be found to be bad, I'm not prepared to take anything at face value, especially if it comes from
government, and second if it comes from research studies, which can be twisted, bent, or just
plain broken, by anybody with the money to commission them and a preconceived idea of what the
studies will prove.

Even the most obvious facts of modern life, accepted almost universally by
everyone without question, can be based on blatantly bad science or statistics. Take for
example the claim that smoking kills 500,000 people a year because it causes heart
disease, which is the nation's biggest killer. Is that true? I have no doubt that
smoking is bad for people, but ... is it That bad?

To answer that question I looked in some of those Information Please almanac
books that give tons of statistics, including causes of death in the US by
category: heart disease, cancer, accidents, etc. -- 50 some categories, and
sure enough, cardio-vascular disease was right up there at the top of the list
by a mile. But ... something is missing from all those lists. Look long
enough and you might see it too, but it is easy to miss, because it IS NOT
THERE: According to our illustrious government, nobody dies of old age! What
a miracle that is! The government has cured OLD AGE! Must be, since they
claim that nobody dies from it.

My guess is simply that old age is not something doctors are allowed to enter on a death certificate as a cause of death, so they have to write something else, and when in doubt, they put down heart stopped'

Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation



Virtually everyone is basking in the radiation from these towers now 
because they're on every street corner, but it isn't just the radiation 
that is harmful, its an amalgam of the frequencies and pulse rates, all 
of which are either an astounding coincidence, or were engineered this 
way on purpose. Also, non-ionizing raditation is cumulative, you may not 
notice much today, but you may start to notice after a some time passes. 
You likely will never correlate the cause with the effect, and will just 
swallow some pills to cover up the slow degeneration of your body at the 
hands of these techs. It's called collective dissonance, and much of our 
population has been entranced by these toys to the point they don't 
realize they are slowly being rotted by them.


Also let me give you another couple secrets from the rabbit hole.  They 
can remotely vary the radiation from your personal phone, sometimes by a 
magnitude of 1000.  Ever notice some peoples phones lose charges much 
more quickly, even the same model someone else has that doesn't have 
this problem. Another handy tip, phones now can be used as sort of a 
Torrent, where your phone becomes an antenna that magnifies all of the 
other signals around you, and helps spread the bandwidth. This of course 
has a profound effect on the levels of radiation coming off them. 
Anything on the ATT network are the worst, I've measures excessive 
(over legal limit) radiation from them at distances of 20-30 feet!


Another little tidbit, they can track, monitor, and tabulate virtually 
everything you do if you carry a phone. It's pretty trivial to login to 
someones phone, extract all of their private, and often financial data 
from them. It's also easy to listen in to phone calls, activate the 
microphone and listen into their bedroom, even when the phone is off.  I 
guess you will probably ask for proof next, so here's a carrot.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8G5Q4ZmxXwfeature=related

Sorry to tell you all of this, I know some people will never face the 
facts these little things are slowly hurting them, some of the 
frequencies in some studies were shown to trigger addictive qualities in 
people.  I will leave you with one last tidbit, WiFi is worse, make sure 
all networks are wired in your home. Any health or environmental issues? 
Kill the wireless, and see how it improves over a few days/weeks.  
Worthy experiment I have done dozens of times for various people.


Del wrote:
Written in 2007, this is still totally relevant (warning: if you use a 
cell phone, you may not want to read this):

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=vaaid=7025

And a related site:
http://www.alikelydeath.com/

Del




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Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

More about how this effects biology, and perhaps even more relevant. 
Candida+EMF and increased membrane leakage is an important, and huge 
piece to the puzzle of what is really going on.  It's a good place to 
start piecing together the puzzle.


http://www.mastsanity.org/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=213Itemid=136
The recent increases in allergies and allergy-related conditions may 
also be due to membrane leakage. Our bodies are normally protected from 
the ingress of foreign materials by tight junction barriers where the 
gaps between the cells are sealed.  They occur in the brain, skin, nose, 
lungs and gut.  Mobile phone radiation or the chemical removal of 
calcium makes them more permeable to large molecules and can let in 
allergens, toxins and carcinogens. Increased permeability of the gut 
barrier has also been linked to autoimmune conditions such as multiple 
sclerosis, IBS and type-1 diabetes.  


Richard Goodwin wrote:

Well, yeah, if you are going to work every day in front of a high power 
microwave antenna, a situation akin to living inside a low power microwave oven 
for hours every day, with enough power to heat your jewelry so that it burns 
you you, the I suppose you could expect some other effects on your body.

Would You go back to work there after you caught on to what was happening???  I 
sure wouldn't.

Do I think using my cellphone is going to have the same effect on me?  Nope, 
not by a factor of the square of my distance from any such antenna.

Dick



  



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Re: CSNasal spray (UNCLASSIFIED)

1 drop of 100% pure eucalyptus oil, worked very well for me. Basically, 
Neti-Pot with some real salt (Himalayan), then a drop of Eucalyptus 
Essential Oil, and you are good to go.  Give it a try.


Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC wrote:

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


What can I put in CS to help it penetrate The nasal passage, using CS in
nasal spray bottle.
Looking for way to battle numerous sinus infections.
Looking for some thing simple.
How about a drop or 2 of DMSO or Peroxide.

Bob


Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


  



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Re: CSThe plow turns the field over...who is the field?

Not to mention the toxins, incorrect farming methods, and seed 
modifications pretty much ruining everything. I've read studies where 
heirloom, organically grown veggies can have as much as 300-400%+ more 
nutrients in them.  That in fact, Harvard confirmed, you need to eat 2-3 
conventionally grown, pesticide rich apples to equal one organically 
sustained and grown apple.


The fact is, people are starving, not in the literal sense, but in the 
sense they aren't getting the nutrients, trace minerals, and everything 
else they need. This is serving the pharma-cartel quite well.. 
Ironically, we would not need to add iodine into salt if we just used 
natural salt as it was meant to be consumed!  (Himalayan)  We've really 
messed up, in more ways than I care to mention here.


If you aren't healthy, start detoxing, then change your diet.  Food is 
your medicine cabinet, and it isn't found in a box with the Kraft 
label on it. Ok?


Bob Banever wrote:

Ode,

I don't think it would be hard to prove the difference between 
foods naturally selected by nature over modern GMO foods of today.  I 
doubt we'd find pig genes in corn or wasp genes in soybeans etc.
- Original Message - From: Ode Coyote 
odecoy...@windstream.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 3:46 AM
Subject: CSThe plow turns the field over...who is the field?



##  Subjective MEANS the eyes and buds lie, the question is how much.
Any study can be selective. Those doing any given study are out to 
prove some point of view.
 Sure, no comparison between a home grown tomato and one bred for 
transport, but I detect no difference between a home grown potato, 
onion, carrot or head of lettuce and one in the grocery store.

Is there a difference beyond opinion?  That depends on who you ask.
Then there's that wavy definition of organic.
I have many friends that make a living growing produce that use no 
pesticides, but don't qualify as organic growers and won't because 
the difference isn't worth achieving or is simply below their 
standards of quality that command twice the price when intelligent 
and studied use of technology makes a lot of difference and an 
organic compound is the same compound regardless of origin.


But the issue was comparisons between todays foods [in general] and 
those of 100 years ago [in general]... organic by default [leaving 
out the little known fact of poisonous metals pesticides] and grown 
with ignorance with no conscious mineral supplementation of soils.
Did THEY have any nutritional advantage over modern commercial 
foods...in that specific context?
Point being, is Agribiz an improvement over the old old way, despite 
any further recent improvements over that, that go beyond Agribiz?


Let's not be tossing pears into the apples and oranges basket.
 Changing the subject doesn't prove, or even illustrate, any points 
even if the data and studies are unbiased.


Even harder would be the difference between GMO of today and GMO of 
10-20,000 years ago.
We have no records of people selected out [culled] by sensitivities, 
allergies and such to compare, only that the Gift of the Gods was 
an over all BOON to civilization in general. [Not that Monsanto has 
any idea of what it's doing..or even that the Gods did...but nobody 
took the Gods to court or counted the losers as most people 
eventually won over the 100s of centuries. ]
And we can probably show how saving people that would otherwise 
perish with a change generally regarded as an improvement [or not], 
genetically weakens the entire human race setting it up for a 
disaster that wouldn't have happened had natural selection within 
existing context [natural or not ] been allowed.


Point:  Nature is much more unforgiving than a studied meddling with 
it, but there are always those unintended consequences that the 
cruelty of nature may have avoided... WITH or WITHOUT the meddling.  
Too much success can be just as bad as not enough and some will 
always fail to adjust while others vastly benefit.


Nature can be defined as what is, regardless of what was just 
as *normal* isn't a constant.
Nature doesn't have any opinions, only results...no matter who 
screwed with it or how, it is what it is...now.

 Are we better off now than 100 years ago?  Absolutely !
 Can we do better?...for sure we can.
BUT, what happens next, because of that?

If the world goes organic and green [improves ], a heck of a lot of 
people won't be around any more that depend on the LAST Green 
Revolution [Agribiz] to stay alive.
 We go to Ethanol and other people go hungry.  Why were we feeding 
them to the growth point where they can't feed themselves to start with?
Long term cruelty in the name of short term compassion?   Saved for 
the massacre ?


..all this help is gonna kill a bunch of folx that otherwise 
wouldn't be here to die. Go figger.


Ode  [ Shot by a looter that will starve later. ]

At 07:16 AM 4/19/2010 -0700, you wrote:

Ode,

Here is a

CSSinus Infections

I recommend you purchase a Nebulizer off Ebay, then inhale through your
nose, and pulling it up deeply into your sinuses.

I used to suffer severe recurrent sinus issues. /*No longer*/. I got
better and I fired my doctor, and started to do things myself! Some
things I feel that benefited me greatly other than the above.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Large-Stainless-Steel-Neti-Pot-w-DVD-and-Salt-Packets_W0QQitemZ110491051835QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item19b9c7a73b
Neti Pots are AMAZING! Salt is best, but you can do salt and add 1 drop
of Eucalyptus Essential Oil to clear sinus issues FAST.

http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/terminator_zapper.html
This placed over your sinus areas cures then quite rapidly. I have had
so much good luck with this device, I purchased a second one! You can
find them on Ebay and elsewhere as well. (No financial interest in
recommending it)

http://www.mysticmarvels.com/ionprojector1.html
Negative ions. Most ionizers on the market do absolutely nothing, and I
have expensive instruments that proved this. Very difficult to get a
sinus infect in a strong negative ion field. This guys stuff works.
(no, I have no financial interest in recommending it)

Finally, Traditional Chinese Remedies are extremely effective for Sinus
issues.. These are cures, not symptom relievers

Good for more chronic
conditions:http://www.heavenearthchineseherbs.com/clear-mountain-air-teapill-ding-chuan-wan-p-115.html

Good for acute onset:
http://www.heavenearthchineseherbs.com/clear-wind-heat-teapills-sang-ju-yin-wan-p-87.html

CSO/T Navarro test results.

2010-04-20 Thread Roger Barker


Can anyone explain my Navarro HCG test results?

Last October my test came back with a reading of Index + 4 (54.0  
units). Test done last month came back with a reading of Index + 4  
(52.2) which I gather is still in the slightly positive range - would  
this be right?


I'm also wondering just how reliable the Navarro test is? Any  
information would me much appreciated.


Thanks, Roger B
NZ

Re: CSThe plow turns the field over...who is the field?

2010-04-20 Thread Gayla Roberts


Sure, no comparison between a home grown tomato and one bred for
transport, but I detect no difference between a home grown potato, onion,
carrot or head of lettuce and one in the grocery store.
Ode Coyote

Then you haven't had the good stuff yet. It is out there, but hard to find. 
I grow carrots that carrot haters love and return to buy over and over. Same 
with onions, melons, potatoes and so forth. It is possible.
Gayla 



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Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation


bodhisattva,

 Actually smoking a pack of cigarettes gives the smoker the equivalent 
amount of radiation of one chest x-ray.  It's my understanding that the 
nitrogen rich fertilizer used is the source of the radiation... it is made 
from uranium tailings and sold to make fertilizer.  I don't believe it is 
sprayed though... it is mixed in with the soil.  This was actually published 
in the New England Journal of Medicine in the early 80's.  I remember 
reading the article.


Bob


- Original Message - 
From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation


Sadly, much of what you will find out there mainstream, is disinformation. 
Seek the truth within, and you will be guided to external events that give 
you the truth you sought.  That's been my experience.


I knew the entire anti-butter/egg movement was garbage, those are super 
foods. In fact Dr. Weston Price found K2 before it was known as K2 (He 
called it X-Factor) and a major source of this was butter and eggs, but 
sourced from things fed greens, not grains.  Did you hear that? A cow fed 
grains doesn't have the ingredients essential for good life, either for 
it, or us. So if you eat meat, only eat organic grass fed meat, Ok?  But 
this doesn't take science to tell us, it's really common sense. If you 
start to get a holistic view of nature, and life, then the truth will 
become self evident to you, and violations of natural law will be revealed 
to be one of the trademarks of our nasty situation we're in. Planet wide, 
and personally.


Smoking probably isn't too bad for you, the tobacco sold by major firms, 
which has had radioactive particles sprayed on it is what kills you.  Did 
you know that?  Most people do not know this, and it has been a closely 
guarded secret for decades.  That's right, major tobacco firms that sell 
more than 100k of tobacco a year are required to purchase radioactive 
spray from the govt. and spray it on their crops.  What kills you, slowly, 
is very tiny dosages of radioactive particles, over a fairly extended 
period of time, lodged in your lungs, then spreading into your bloodstream 
and it is those tiny particles that makes second hand smoke deadly..  I'd 
bet nobody ever died from smoking organic, home raised natural tobacco!


I'll give you one more carrot... Vitamin-D..  Have you wondered why 
they're promoting Vitamin-D so much everywhere you look?  Do they really 
want you to live to 120-150 or is there something else behind this?  Let's 
examine the Material Handling Data Sheet for D3, what does it say? It's 
listed as a class 3 poison, right up there with arsenic. Long term 
ingestion can cause mental retardation, and cognitive disorder (free 
will).  Anything over 5 pounds of D transported has to have toxic 
certification labels. (Placard). No other vitamin has this warning, nada, 
none of them, perhaps this is why Vitamin-D makes the most effective rat 
poison on the planet. Which rodent do they use in clinical trials again? 
That's right, Rats. How many people know Vitamin-D is a major ingredient 
in most rodent poisons? You need sunshine, not rat poison, Ok?


People brag about a 70 or 80 year lifespan, nonsense, humans should be 
living into their 120's.





Richard Goodwin wrote:

Do the research



Unfortunately, it is hard or impossible to prove a negative, and for 
every theory out there, whether crackpot or legitimate, there seems to be 
some research that proves the theory true.  If I believed all the 
research out there, I would drive myself crazy trying to avoid all the 
dangerous things in this world.  Or I would live a short miserable life 
and die early of hunger, thirst and utter boredom.


My parents went for years drinking decaf coffee because caffeine was bad 
for you, then they found out decaf was worse.  They went for years 
avoiding eggs because they were bad for you, now eggs aren't bad any 
more.  After seeing so many bad things become ok years later, and so many 
government-sanctioned good things be found to be bad, I'm not prepared 
to take anything at face value, especially if it comes from government, 
and second if it comes from research studies, which can be twisted, 
bent, or just plain broken, by anybody with the money to commission them 
and a preconceived idea of what the studies will prove.


Even the most obvious facts of modern life, accepted almost universally 
by everyone without question, can be based on blatantly bad science or 
statistics.  Take for example the claim that smoking kills 500,000 people 
a year because it causes heart disease, which is the nation's biggest 
killer.  Is that true?  I have no doubt that smoking is bad for people, 
but ... is it That bad?


To answer that question I looked in some of those Information Please 
almanac books that give tons of statistics, including causes of death in 
the US by category:

Re: CSNasal spray (UNCLASSIFIED)


bodhisattva,

   Vitamin D3 is not toxic at any level below 10,000IU's per day even 
long term.  In fact your body will produce 14,000IU's per day from the sun 
if you allow it to.  I have taken 6600IU's per day for two years now (and I 
do get alot of sun as well) with no side effects whatsoever... except that I 
have been completely free of colds or the flu.  I used to get 3 - 4 colds a 
year, even with the use of CS.


 Bob
- Original Message - 
From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: CSNasal spray (UNCLASSIFIED)


1 drop of 100% pure eucalyptus oil, worked very well for me. Basically, 
Neti-Pot with some real salt (Himalayan), then a drop of Eucalyptus 
Essential Oil, and you are good to go.  Give it a try.


Medwith, Robert J Mr CIV USA AMC wrote:

Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE


What can I put in CS to help it penetrate The nasal passage, using CS in
nasal spray bottle.
Looking for way to battle numerous sinus infections.
Looking for some thing simple.
How about a drop or 2 of DMSO or Peroxide.

Bob


Classification: UNCLASSIFIED
Caveats: NONE






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Re: CSThe plow turns the field over...who is the field?


Gayla,

  Once people taste and experience the difference between a properly 
grown organic vegetable and a chemically fed one from the supermarket they 
will always choose to eat the organic one.  There is a world of difference 
in taste as well as nutrient value.   The bonus comes when better overall 
health is experienced by the consumer.


 Bob
- Original Message - 
From: Gayla Roberts aera...@gmail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: CSThe plow turns the field over...who is the field?



Sure, no comparison between a home grown tomato and one bred for
transport, but I detect no difference between a home grown potato, onion,
carrot or head of lettuce and one in the grocery store.
Ode Coyote

Then you haven't had the good stuff yet. It is out there, but hard to 
find. I grow carrots that carrot haters love and return to buy over and 
over. Same with onions, melons, potatoes and so forth. It is possible.

Gayla

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Re: CSThe plow turns the field over...who is the field?

The reason we went organic in the first place was because of taste! My 
grandfather used to always say Why doesn't food taste good anymore?..  
Well in reality, he was raised on farm that used heirloom seeds, and 
later in life consumed grocery store rubbish, this was the reason, but 
he never figured out why as people assume an apple is an apple, you know?


My wifes parents always buy the kids crappy store brand milk when they 
stay over. It's horrid stuff. When they come home they bring the 
leftover milk because they don't drink milk. I told my wife it tasted 
like rotten puss from an infected cow. She said I was being silly.  So 
the next morning for breakfast she mixed half our organic milk and half 
the store brand before the kids woke up.  At breakfast, my son spit back 
in the milk and said This milk is rotten!..


Of course this is part and parcel to the plethora of neurotoxins they 
throw at people to dumb down their senses.  Everything from Triclosan in 
toothpaste and soaps, which mixes with the chlorinated water to form 
nerve gas. To the legions of food colorings, flavorings, and fragrances 
that all have universally been listed as neurotoxic. Remember, the 
sprays they use on crops themselves are chemical weapons used in war.  
Can we expect most people to actually taste a difference when real food 
enters their lives?


Gayla Roberts wrote:

Sure, no comparison between a home grown tomato and one bred for
transport, but I detect no difference between a home grown potato, onion,
carrot or head of lettuce and one in the grocery store.
Ode Coyote

Then you haven't had the good stuff yet. It is out there, but hard to 
find. I grow carrots that carrot haters love and return to buy over 
and over. Same with onions, melons, potatoes and so forth. It is 
possible.

Gayla

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Re: CSMore on Cell-Phone and Cell-Tower radiation

I never knew about this, and most people don't. I didn't until a few 
years ago when I met a small time organic tobacco farmer, and discovered 
how medicinal and healthy real tobacco can be - its a healer.  Anyway, 
he points a bunch of this stuff out about it, I was shocked. He also 
showed me secret Philip Morris memos from the 50's that showed they 
understood the dangerous of this radioactive spray, that an alternative 
was found, but was more expensive, so they elected not to switch to 
this, and bury the data.  Govt. was very complacent in all of this.


The radiation exposure some estimate to be 1-10 Xrays per pack as you 
noted, however what they don't tell you is this is an Isotope with a 
thousand year shelf life. So that means really it is that amount of 
Xrays while the particle is in your body, and unless you get some kind 
of chest infection, mucus it up, and cough it out, it's going to be 
there awhile! (or it comes out in some other fashion)  When you get a 
chest Xray, you aren't inhaling particles of radioactive dust, it's 
taken, and you walk out.  Big difference.


Something to share.. Francis Nixon published a book that's been fairly 
suppressed over 50 years ago with a whole ton of amazing healing 
remedies in it..  She discovered a method to Reset your human energy 
field to remove damage from accumulated radiation.  I have done it, and 
love it, I do it 1-2 times a year to scrub off anything I pick up.  
Basically, in filtered bath water dump in 1 pound of natural sea salt, 
and 1 pound of baking soda, bathe in this for 15-20 minutes, moving 
around, covering your body, stretching, dunk your head, and enjoy it.  
When you get out, dry off, go relax in a quiet, private area, and then 
eat some yogurt or take some probiotics. Works for me.


Bob Banever wrote:

bodhisattva,

 Actually smoking a pack of cigarettes gives the smoker the 
equivalent amount of radiation of one chest x-ray.  It's my 
understanding that the nitrogen rich fertilizer used is the source of 
the radiation... it is made from uranium tailings and sold to make 
fertilizer.  I don't believe it is sprayed though... it is mixed in 
with the soil.  This was actually published in the New England Journal 
of Medicine in the early 80's.  I remember reading the article.


Bob


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Sadly, much of what you will find out there mainstream, is 
disinformation. Seek the truth within, and you will be guided to 
external events that give you the truth you sought.  That's been my 
experience.


I knew the entire anti-butter/egg movement was garbage, those are 
super foods. In fact Dr. Weston Price found K2 before it was known as 
K2 (He called it X-Factor) and a major source of this was butter and 
eggs, but sourced from things fed greens, not grains.  Did you hear 
that? A cow fed grains doesn't have the ingredients essential for 
good life, either for it, or us. So if you eat meat, only eat organic 
grass fed meat, Ok?  But this doesn't take science to tell us, it's 
really common sense. If you start to get a holistic view of nature, 
and life, then the truth will become self evident to you, and 
violations of natural law will be revealed to be one of the 
trademarks of our nasty situation we're in. Planet wide, and personally.


Smoking probably isn't too bad for you, the tobacco sold by major 
firms, which has had radioactive particles sprayed on it is what 
kills you.  Did you know that?  Most people do not know this, and it 
has been a closely guarded secret for decades.  That's right, major 
tobacco firms that sell more than 100k of tobacco a year are required 
to purchase radioactive spray from the govt. and spray it on their 
crops.  What kills you, slowly, is very tiny dosages of radioactive 
particles, over a fairly extended period of time, lodged in your 
lungs, then spreading into your bloodstream and it is those tiny 
particles that makes second hand smoke deadly..  I'd bet nobody ever 
died from smoking organic, home raised natural tobacco!


I'll give you one more carrot... Vitamin-D..  Have you wondered why 
they're promoting Vitamin-D so much everywhere you look?  Do they 
really want you to live to 120-150 or is there something else behind 
this?  Let's examine the Material Handling Data Sheet for D3, what 
does it say? It's listed as a class 3 poison, right up there with 
arsenic. Long term ingestion can cause mental retardation, and 
cognitive disorder (free will).  Anything over 5 pounds of D 
transported has to have toxic certification labels. (Placard). No 
other vitamin has this warning, nada, none of them, perhaps this is 
why Vitamin-D makes the most effective rat poison on the planet. 
Which rodent do they use in clinical trials again? That's right, 
Rats. How many people know Vitamin-D is a major

Re: CSNasal spray (UNCLASSIFIED)

Interestingly, this was the first winter I elected to take no D, and it 
was my healthiest on record.  Admittedly, I haven't  been to the doctor 
in 5-6 years, and I am generally very healthy, but I felt even better 
this winter without the added synthetic D.


I digress,  D is a very effective poison for rodents, the same rodents 
used in pre-human drug trials. This is indisputable, and is established 
fact. I don't believe the type of D the sun provides is the same as 
synthetic, there is a synergy in nature that has evaded science, this is 
why willow bark cures headaches without side effects, but Aspirin cures 
headaches and rots your stomach. It's sort of a harmonious thing in how 
it works naturally that the lab can't duplicate properly. Because 
someone dumps synthetic D into their body doesn't mean it is doing 
good.  Vitamin K is an antidote to D poisoning, and if you get enough K, 
you are really just detoxing yourself from D overload. Similar to how if 
you ingest a lot of fluoride, you die, but if you take Calcium, the 
Calcium acts as a Fluoride antidote, in nature, fluoride is in the form 
of CalciumFlouride, it's chemical runoff without the calcium that's 
dumped into our water supplies.


Mercury is toxic, but a human can ingest quite a lot of it before 
showing any effect. Some people have 5,000+mg's mercury in their mouth 
that gives off small puffs of it everyday for decades and have no 
outward signs of problems. It doesn't mean it is good for them, you 
know?  The MHDS for D is very clear, it's toxic, and this MHDS is 
written for humans in the industries that will be around D, not for 
rodents. (and it took a lot of time for me to find this MHDS)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodenticide
Remember, Fluoride, ZyclonB and VitaminD are potent rodent killers, and 
as a consequence, the first two were used to great effect to gas humans 
in mass quantities. Look at the other fun Rodenticides, and discover 
where those are added to the things in your life. Some contrail tests 
claim they always find a lot of barium, which of course is another rat 
poison.  Seems to be a trend these days, you know?


http://ull.chemistr y.uakron. edu/erd/Chemical s/8000/7235. html 
http://ull.chemistry.uakron.edu/erd/Chemicals/8000/7235.html

*VITAMIN D - EC Classvery toxic
RTECS class _Reproductive Effector_; Human Data
Poison_Class2*
Exposure effects Chronic ingestion may cause effects similar to 
those of acute ingestion.  IngestionMay be fatal if swallowed. May 
cause irritation of the digestive tract. *May cause kidney damage*. *May 
cause cardiac disturbances*. *Ingestion may lead to mental retardation*.

Hazard class 6.1

Now what is important to consider, aging is a matter of 
hypercalcification.  That is, most age related diseases are Calcium 
overload, and premature aging has sometimes been attributed to 
hypercalcification.  That's artery plaque, arthritis, whatever, it's all 
the same here.  What causes hypercalcification over a very long period 
of time?  Synthetic Vitamin D and Calcium overload. I am not telling 
people to not get D, I am telling people they might want to not ingest 
rat poison.  Sunlight gives you what you need, go plant a garden, take a 
walk,  and cultivate your vitamins in your skin..  Sardines, per can, 
offer up to 1,500UI of bio-ready natural D, have a can of Sardines!  
This garbage they are trying to get us to ingest is just that, garbage.


Magnesium is vastly more important than D in my opinion, if you take 
anything, take some extra Magnesium Citrate. Magnesium is short in 
70-90% of Americans, and causes a huge amount of chronic and acute 
conditions.  But you won't hear that on the mainstread news, they're too 
busy selling rat poison to Americans.  The very popular Beta Blocker 
(Lopressor, etc) drugs being pushed on people are nothing more than 
Magnesium uptake inhibitors, that is, they keep you from using too much 
magnesium so you don't get the effects of magnesium deficiency. Imagine 
that, a pill to cover up a nutritional deficiency! It's friggen 
brilliant! (if you are evil)


http://www.amazon.com/Magnesium-Factor-Mildred-Seelig/dp/1583331565/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1271814405sr=8-1
How one simple nutrient can prevent, treat, and help to reverse high 
blood pressure, heart disease, stroke, diabetes, and other chronic 
conditions.


Bob Banever wrote:

bodhisattva,

   Vitamin D3 is not toxic at any level below 10,000IU's per day 
even long term.  In fact your body will produce 14,000IU's per day 
from the sun if you allow it to.  I have taken 6600IU's per day for 
two years now (and I do get alot of sun as well) with no side effects 
whatsoever... except that I have been completely free of colds or the 
flu.  I used to get 3 - 4 colds a year, even with the use of CS.


 Bob
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Re: CSKilling poison ivy/oak

2010-04-20 Thread Smitty

 Do ya'll know anything that will kill Poison Ivy or Poison Oak? I have a lot
 of it just taking over.

You should pose the question on Google.


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Re: CSH202 - again

thanks Marshall,

Its a Looong way to Lowes or Home Dept from here. I'l do a search and 
maybe make my own. OK, I had a look, good ideas but would stop our 
beasties. The tomatoes should get some sort of green house here  to keep 
them going and will use the CS and H2O2 spray for fungus which is bound 
to get going. 

There a whole forest of hungry creatures out there, samango monkeys, 
baboons, nothing much will stop those guys if they take a liking to what 
you have. They go over any fence and break anything if they want it. A 
very specific electric fence will do it.  Birds that take most are 
francolins, sort of like partridges. Nothing seems to touch the tomatoes 
which I bought as seedlings. But the strawberries were very popular and 
so are the beans. 

OK,
Tony

  

On 20 Apr 2010 at 10:17, Marshall Dudley wrote about :
Subject : Re: CSH202 - again

 Go to home depot or lowes and buy some tomato cages.  They will protect
 the tomatoes against almost everything, even deer and rabbits.  However
 if the problem only occurs during daylight, it might be birds, in which
 case throwing some cheesecloth over it will keep them out.
 
 Marshall
 
 Tony Moody wrote:
  I don't go back 100 years ago but 60 years ago tomatoes were favourite
  food. Shop bought or home grown, us kids would eat them like fruit. 35
  years ago my kids were the same, eating tomatoes out of the frig as a
  snack. I now hate having to make my way past the skin like a condom
 and 
  trying chew and swallow the pale, woody, tasteless flesh because it
 has 
  lycopenes and is good for me. There is not much tomato left now. Its a
  sort of plastic facsimile. 
 
  This past season I have grown them in a little patch and its a race
 every 
  morning between me and whatever is out there that eats them. These
 have 
  taste and they are satisfying. Next year they will be composted, 
  watered and fed a compost tea. I like the idea of the H2o2 too.
 
  OK,
  Tony 
 
 
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 : 
  Re: CSH202 - again  
 

  I don't think I'd eat a 100 year old tomato...
 
  On the other hand,Chinese 100 year old eggs are supposed to be a
  delicacy...
 
 Chuck
  If you pull the wings off a fly, does it become a walk?
  
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