Re: CShydrogen peroxide
Yup. Look on the label for stabilizers. The cheapest stuff might be the best. Ode At 05:23 PM 8/23/2010 -0400, you wrote: Hi, Can anyone tell me if 3% hydrogen peroxide is acceptable for breaking down the CS molecule size? I cannot find any food grade 35% locally and I'll be dogonned if I'm going to pay $19 s/h for $18 worth of product! Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSpederson's silver
It would seem that a larger metallic particle would be made smaller,
then maybe absorb before it completes the process. [and don't burp around
matches ]
What happens to AgOH which is what most particles are in EIS ? [AgOH +
HCl AgCl + H2O ?? ]
Gee, you'd think that everything you ate would turn into a Pinto Chloride
of something and methanethen what happens?
Fulminating Silver theory ?? [bang]
Pass the bean salt please. [poot]
Last night on F'nScience, they made fireworks out of Chlorine Dioxide gas.
[using sodium chlorite and formaldehyde]
So, MMS is an explosive too?
..will ceasers never wonder.
Ode
At 07:13 PM 8/23/2010 -0500, you wrote:
I tried to post this last Saturday but the servers wouldn't let me.
I know my previous post was brief. But working on a Blackberry is a pain
for me. And since I can't specify plaintext with the Blackberry, the
message quickly gets too large.
The brevity was not to try and cut off discussion. I knew my comment on
silver oxide (SO) could be controversial and I hoped for feedback from others.
I had wondered about SO and getting through the stomach and so I looked
for information on the web. As you know, a balanced equation for a
reaction doesn't tell you everything. For example, does the reaction
require heat, a certain concentration or a long reaction time?
I was confident regarding SO that is in solution but not as sure about SO
bound to a silver particle and if the bound SO would be in HCl long enough
to be converted. From what I have read, transition times through the
stomach are typically 1 to 3 hours with liquids at the low end. That
seemed like enough time to me.
There was a reason I included reduction of the SO to metallic silver as
one of the possible reactions. I saw somewhere on the net that could
happen. But I did not bookmark the site and I have not been able to found
it again. It is entirely possible that I read it wrong, esp. since I was
on the BB.
To further cloud the issue is particle size. I have found a multitude of
claimed particle sizes for Silver Solutions. The patent claims 50% of
particles are less than 15 nm. A safety analysis claims 2.34 nm particle
size. And the Guardian Silver Sol vs Colloidal Silver page claims 0.05 to
0.1 nm particle size. It would be nice if they would stick to one story.
Those particle sizes would VERY roughly equate to the following quantities
of silver atoms in a silver particle:
* 1 nm, approx 30 atoms
* 2.34, nm approx 400 atoms
* 15 nm, approx 100,000 atoms
The reason I mention the no. of atoms is the following report:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL_udi=B6WHR-4KH3YG7-4_user=10_coverDate=11%2F15%2F2006_rdoc=1_fmt=high_orig=search_sort=d_docanchor=view=c_searchStrId=1439291768_rerunOrigin=google_acct=C50221_version=1_urlVersion=0_userid=10md5=e304987661638df02433931cbf54d7f4
High chemical reactivity of silver nanoparticles toward hydrochloric acid
High chemical reactivity of Ag nanoparticles was observed in the reaction
with hydrochloric acid: Ag (nanoparticles) +HCI - AgCl + H-2; the
reaction product silver chloride was characterized by X-ray powder
diffraction to give a direct evidence for the reaction which has been
proved impossible for the bulk Ag.
I don't have access to the full report but even 15 nm is well within the
definition of a nanoparticle ( or = to 100 nm). But is 100,000 atoms too
large a particle to convert? This would indicate that stomach acid could
potentially convert ALL silver in EIS and nanoparticle colloidal silvers,
such as Mesosilver, to AgCl. It would also seem that HCl would not then
have a problem converting all the silver and silver oxide in Silver Sol
(Silver Solutions, ASAP, etc.) to AgCl as well.
I am not a chemist, so does anyone care to speculate?
Thanks,
Steve N
- Original Message -
From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 11:04 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re:CSpederson's silver
I am on a Blackberry right now so my internet capabilities are limited. A
couple references are below.
- Steve N
http://www.quantumbalancing.com/real_facts_on_colloidal_silver.htm
The ionic portion is a combination of silver hydroxide and silver oxide.
While in solution they continually convert from one to the other and back
again. Each has a solubility of about 13 ppm, so any EIS which is less
than about 26 ppm and a pH of 7 will be totally dissolved. Upon contact
with the HCl (hydrochloric acid) of the stomach both of these compounds
will immediately form silver chloride
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/771121
2) A slurry of Ag2O is readily attacked by acids:Ag2O + 2 HX â' 2 AgX +
H2O where HX = HF, HCl, HBr, or HI,
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Re: EXTERNAL:Re: CSSteve Norton and copper, silver, citrate solution
I've not been able to make ionic copper..only colloidal. Ode At 02:58 PM 8/24/2010 -0500, you wrote: If I have some previously prepared ionic copper, can I just add the citric acid like with the silver? Or will that not work the same? Annie On 8/7/2010 1:00 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: Just buy a short piece of electrical copper wire used for house wiring. It has a high purity. - Steve N - Original Message - From: AnnieBSmytheanniebsmy...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat Aug 07 12:50:22 2010 Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CSSteve Norton and copper, silver, citrate solution Steve, where can I find the right copper electrodes, please? Annie On 8/4/2010 3:50 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: Here is a method following the patent's described process: Put 1/8 to1/4 cup of citric acid in 1 liter of water. Run current through silver electrodes in the citric acid same as you would for colloidal silver until you reach 50 ppm. Use the Faraday calculator (see below) to estimate the silver ppm. You will get higher currents if you do not have a current limiter due to the high conductivity of the citric acid solution but that is not a problem because the silver ions bind quickly with the citric acid to form silver citrate, e.g. no agglomeration problems. Add potassium carbonate, to get a pH of 5.5. Replace the silver electrodes with copper electrodes and do the same till you get the desired concentration (400 ppm) of copper citrate. Then adjust the pH of the solution to between 2.5 and 3.5 using additional citric acid. The Faraday calculator is available at: http://www.silvermedicine.org/faradaycalculator.html. To use the Faraday calculator you will need a digital multi-meter to measure the current passing through the electrodes. This link shows how to measure the current: http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm. For this application two 9 volt batteries wired to the electrodes will be ok to use since current limiting is not an issue. For the copper electrodes just use any copper wire. I make silver citrate regularly and it is very easy. If you are in a hurry and have a local beer/wine makers supply store you should be able to get citric acid and potassium carbonate there, although maybe not at the lowest price. I am not sure that the potassium carbonate is necessary but it is in the formula used in the patent. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:24 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:CSSteve Norton and copper, silver, citrate solution Steve, Thank you for that 'recipe' for the MRSA treatment solution. Is it possible for you to post a 'neighborhood' type formula for this? I am not familiar with many of the things you mention so a simplified version will be very greatly appreciated. I am intending to try to use 3 nine volt batteries in series instead of my cs generator. Do you think that will work? If my questions reflect so much ignorance that my situation is hopeless, then please ignore this. Since MRSA reportedly killed more people last year than did AIDs, then it seems to me that this Cu,Ag,citrate solution should be in everyone's grasp. I can make the CS, have the citric acid, copper wires, and can do the ph, but cannot get proper ppm measurements. Anyhow, thanks for plowing through this. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYellow and Metallic - is this ok?
It'll work...and if you wait a few days and add 6 drops per quart of 3% H2O2...it'll be colorless by morning. Add it too soon and it'll go brown murky instantly. Try a sample first. Ode At 11:46 PM 8/24/2010 +0300, you wrote: Hi, A batch with yet another different kind of distilled water came out yellow with a clearly metallic taste. Is this ok? Joy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide
I've found that the cheap stuff has no stabilizers. Just 2 ingredients H2O2 and H2O. Breathing Ozone would probably do the same thing, the same way. Unhealthy cells are easier to burn upgo too far and you also burn up the healthy ones. Go too fast and you choke on the debris and protective defense reactions. [Why Ozone is more dangerous to those with lung problems ] Both H2O2 and O3 have something in common.a Free Radical [ Mono-atomic Oxygen ] that will grab a partner from anywhere there is one to grab to do a hot molecule dance somewhere...easy ones on surfaces first. Everybody is trying to destroy Free Radicals with anti-oxidants..but you don't suppose there's a reason they are there? [Those scrubbing bubbles ] If all you have is weak cells, surecould be a problem. [It's easy to get a dance partner in a ball room full of sluts ] If your shower stall is MADE out of slime, might not want to clean it too hard. [It's tough to get new paint to stick to no walls ] PS Feed your Ozone maker with pure OxygenNitric Acid prolly ain't real good for the wet parts. Ode At 12:12 PM 8/25/2010 -0700, you wrote: A man named Bill Munro has been breathing ordinary brown bottle grocery and drug store peroxide for well over 10 years with great results. Youtube has video of him showing exactly how to use a nasal spray pump for this. He also has a website with more info. From what I can find out, all the peroxide of all concentrations have stabilizers in them. The higher the concentration, the more stabilizers present. The names of the stabilizers might as well be Greek to me and since he has had only good come from his practices with it, it seems to me it is okay to use via inhale. Just start slowly or you may be sorry. My experience. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYellow and Metallic - is this ok?
It takes as long as it takes...test a sample first. Ode At 07:16 PM 8/25/2010 +0100, you wrote: Yes, I had 2 5litre containers. One was completely clear and one was pale tranlucent yellow. I let them sit 3 days and then added a couple of drops of 35% food grade H2O2. The one that had been clear went a muddy yellow and more opaque and the one that had originally been pale yellow went really muddy looking. So far all I've been using it for is to add to the washing machine because it looked so grotty. would it be safe to add some to the water for washing fruit and veg? This has sort of put me off adding H2O2. I haven't added any to the latest lots and they're looking fine. I'm sort of scared to add any in case they go the same way. Cheers Kirsteen On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Marshall Dudley mailto:mdud...@king-cart.commdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Are you letting it sit a minimum of 48 hours first? Marshall Kirsteen Wright wrote: Every time I add a couple of drops of H2O2 it goes muddy. It did this with a batch that was perfectly clear and one that was a bit yellow. What am I doing wrong and is the muddy stuff still OK? Cheers Kirsteen On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Marshall Dudley mailto:mdud...@king-cart.commdud...@king-cart.com mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: It would be good for topical use. For internal I would try adding a few drops of H2O2 to each glassful to see if that will clear it up. Marshall joy wrote: Hi, A batch with yet another different kind of distilled water came out yellow with a clearly metallic taste. Is this ok? Joy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.orghttp://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.comsilver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mailto:mdev...@eskimo.commdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSYellow and Metallic - is this ok?
You are doing it too soon. ..murky won't kill ya. Ode At 06:37 PM 8/25/2010 +0100, you wrote: Every time I add a couple of drops of H2O2 it goes muddy. It did this with a batch that was perfectly clear and one that was a bit yellow. What am I doing wrong and is the muddy stuff still OK? Cheers Kirsteen On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Marshall Dudley mailto:mdud...@king-cart.commdud...@king-cart.com wrote: It would be good for topical use. For internal I would try adding a few drops of H2O2 to each glassful to see if that will clear it up. Marshall joy wrote: Hi, A batch with yet another different kind of distilled water came out yellow with a clearly metallic taste. Is this ok? Joy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.orghttp://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
I use 6 drops of 3% per quart...AFTER I try it on a sample and see no immediate reaction. This ain't rocket surgery... If a little bit doesn't do it, use a few more drops. Ode At 05:00 PM 8/25/2010 +0100, you wrote: I can't find it either PT but Ode posted it in illustration form so hopefully he will jump in here. dee On 25 Aug 2010, at 15:50, needling around wrote: Hi Dee, I found the discussion of peroxide and what it does but I didn't find anything on the website that discussed 3% vs 35%. Would you send the web address for the page? Or Ode if you read this would you comment on 3% v 35% peroxide for breaking down particle size?... or anyone else??? Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSusing electricity for healing - Part 2
When you apply current at any voltage to a salt solution like blood, the salt splits into Hypochlorous Acid and Sodium Hydroxide respective to the polarity of the electrodes. Voltage may control how deep the effect goes, [voltage controls ion velocity and a fast bullet goes deeper, more directly seeking it's opposite ion] current.how much chemical produced. Both Hypochlorous Acid and Sodium Hydroxide will go ahead and kill marginally healthy cells, like cancer. Hypochlorous Acid will sterilize a wound and the corrosive irritation from that oxidizer will jump start new cell growth with no dead or marginalized cells in the way ?? Like sand blasting rust off steel to take paintchemical debriding...anything not up to snuff gets killed faster and removed along with the already dead. Nothing left to have to grow *around*, likely far less scarring. Nothing there to inhibit a stem cell ? If there are any organic toxins present, the oxidizer Hypochlorous Acid will likely break up the compound. Sodium Hydroxide dissolves fat cells with compromised cell walls. [turning the fat oils into water soluble soap with no clingy surface tension or adhesion, to be washed away...like Formula 409 ] If you overlook the obvious and complicate the simple, you get a new research grant. The goal is not success or reaching conclusions, it's progress...the slower, the better. If you succeed, you're done. Everything they tried worked because there's a common set of factors in all the attempts. ELECTRO-CHEMICALS..there is NO electricity involved other than to produce those chemicals at a rate, in a place. Understand your Zapper and you need not stand under those bureaucratic money grubbing slow pokes. Ode At 01:18 PM 8/25/2010 -0500, you wrote: MEDIUM VOLTAGE: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1881954 Chronic dermal ulcer healing enhanced with monophasic pulsed electrical stimulation. The purposes of this randomized, double-blind, multicenter study were to compare healing of chronic dermal ulcers treated with pulsed electrical stimulation with healing of similar wounds treated with sham electrical stimulation and to evaluate patient tolerance to the therapeutic protocol. Forty-seven patients, aged 29 to 91 years, with 50 stage II, III, and IV ulcers were randomly assigned to either a treatment group (n = 26) or a control (sham treatment) group (n = 24). Treated wounds received 30 minutes of pulsed cathodal electrical stimulation twice daily at a pulse frequency of 128 pulses per second (pps) and a peak amplitude of 29.2 mA if the wound contained necrotic tissue or any drainage that was not serosanguinous. A saline-moistened nontreatment electrode was applied 30.5 cm (12 in) cephalad from the wound. This protocol was continued for 3 days after the wound was debrided or exhibited serosanguinous drainage. Thereafter, the polarity of the treatment electrode on the wound was changed every 3 days until the wound progressed to a stage II classification. The pulse frequency was then reduced to 64 pps, and the treatment electrode polarity was changed daily until the wound was healed. Patients in the control group were treated with the same protocol, except they received sham electrical stimulation. After 4 weeks, wounds in the treatment and control groups were 44% and 67% of their initial size, respectively. The healing rates per week for the treatment and control groups were 14% and 8.25%, respectively. The results of this study indicate that pulsed electrical stimulation has a beneficial effect on healing stage II, III, and IV chronic dermal ulcers. LOW VOLTAGE: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20046232 Ultra-low microcurrent in the management of diabetes mellitus, hypertension and chronic wounds: report of twelve cases and discussion of mechanism of action. Oxidative stress plays a major role in the pathogenesis of both types of diabetes mellitus and cardiovascular diseases including hypertension. The low levels of antioxidants accompanied by raised levels of markers of free radical damage play a major role in delaying wound healing. Ultra-low microcurrent presumably has an antioxidant effect, and it was shown to accelerate wound healing. The purpose of the study is to investigate the efficacy of ultra-low microcurrent delivered by the Electro Pressure Regeneration Therapy (EPRT) device (EPRT Technologies-USA, Simi Valley, CA) in the management of diabetes, hypertension and chronic wounds. The EPRT device is an electrical device that sends a pulsating stream of electrons in a relatively low concentration throughout the body. The device is noninvasive and delivers electrical currents that mimic the endogenous electric energy of the human body. It is a rechargeable battery-operated device that delivers a direct current (maximum of 3 milliAmperes) of one polarity for 11.5 minutes, which then switched to the opposite polarity for another 11.5 minutes. The resulting cycle time is
Re: EXTERNAL:Re: CSSteve Norton and copper, silver, citrate solution
Ahhh but I can buy it if I have to:) Annie On 8/25/2010 6:21 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: I've not been able to make ionic copper..only colloidal. Ode At 02:58 PM 8/24/2010 -0500, you wrote: If I have some previously prepared ionic copper, can I just add the citric acid like with the silver? Or will that not work the same? Annie On 8/7/2010 1:00 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: Just buy a short piece of electrical copper wire used for house wiring. It has a high purity. - Steve N - Original Message - From: AnnieBSmytheanniebsmy...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sat Aug 07 12:50:22 2010 Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CSSteve Norton and copper, silver, citrate solution Steve, where can I find the right copper electrodes, please? Annie On 8/4/2010 3:50 PM, Norton, Steve wrote: Here is a method following the patent's described process: Put 1/8 to1/4 cup of citric acid in 1 liter of water. Run current through silver electrodes in the citric acid same as you would for colloidal silver until you reach 50 ppm. Use the Faraday calculator (see below) to estimate the silver ppm. You will get higher currents if you do not have a current limiter due to the high conductivity of the citric acid solution but that is not a problem because the silver ions bind quickly with the citric acid to form silver citrate, e.g. no agglomeration problems. Add potassium carbonate, to get a pH of 5.5. Replace the silver electrodes with copper electrodes and do the same till you get the desired concentration (400 ppm) of copper citrate. Then adjust the pH of the solution to between 2.5 and 3.5 using additional citric acid. The Faraday calculator is available at: http://www.silvermedicine.org/faradaycalculator.html. To use the Faraday calculator you will need a digital multi-meter to measure the current passing through the electrodes. This link shows how to measure the current: http://www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm. For this application two 9 volt batteries wired to the electrodes will be ok to use since current limiting is not an issue. For the copper electrodes just use any copper wire. I make silver citrate regularly and it is very easy. If you are in a hurry and have a local beer/wine makers supply store you should be able to get citric acid and potassium carbonate there, although maybe not at the lowest price. I am not sure that the potassium carbonate is necessary but it is in the formula used in the patent. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:24 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:CSSteve Norton and copper, silver, citrate solution Steve, Thank you for that 'recipe' for the MRSA treatment solution. Is it possible for you to post a 'neighborhood' type formula for this? I am not familiar with many of the things you mention so a simplified version will be very greatly appreciated. I am intending to try to use 3 nine volt batteries in series instead of my cs generator. Do you think that will work? If my questions reflect so much ignorance that my situation is hopeless, then please ignore this. Since MRSA reportedly killed more people last year than did AIDs, then it seems to me that this Cu,Ag,citrate solution should be in everyone's grasp. I can make the CS, have the citric acid, copper wires, and can do the ph, but cannot get proper ppm measurements. Anyhow, thanks for plowing through this. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLL) My Thanks to all, Molly has passed.
For anyone who has ever lost a beloved pet. Go here read the Rainbow Bridge poem.. http://www.petloss.com/poems/maingrp/rainbowb.htm On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:34 PM, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: So sorry for your loss, Lois. At least Molly is no longer in pain and I choose to believe she is now running and playing with the Angels. Blessings to you and your family at this sad time. Sandy --- On *Wed, 8/25/10, zzekel...@aol.com zzekel...@aol.com* wrote: *Thanks again, Lois* -- Day Sutton day.sut...@gmail.com
Re: CSMy first post
I think calling this list a silvermine would be more appropo. ;-) On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:02 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: Hi All, I'm new to this list. I've been following every CS group on yahoo, but they all seem pretty dead! This one looks like the goldmine I've been looking for! -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
Where can you purchase food grade hydrogen peroxide? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:33:22 -0500 From: bradlebro...@gmail.com To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Persons interested in obtaining information relating to Bill Munro's H2O2 protocol.will find it here. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. http://educate-yourself.org/cn/hydrogenperoxide07feb05.shtml -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
amazon.com Elizabeth Williams belzi...@hotmail.com From: dianne_fra...@hotmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:34:20 -0400 Where can you purchase food grade hydrogen peroxide? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:33:22 -0500 From: bradlebro...@gmail.com To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Persons interested in obtaining information relating to Bill Munro's H2O2 protocol.will find it here. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. http://educate-yourself.org/cn/hydrogenperoxide07feb05.shtml -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSLL) My Thanks to all, Molly has passed.
This story has stuck with me ever since I read it. The link to it is below. Years back, I had three white Akitas. The eldest, Keoki, died very suddenly. He let out a piercing cry and was gone despite hours on my part of trying to revive him. Keoki and I were almost like a married couple and when a few days later, I looked at the youngest one, Runeka, and asked if she missed her father, she looked at me as though she knew something I was missing. Then, all of a sudden, Tilok moved to the part of the bed where Keoki had always slept and Runeka moved to where Tilok had been. I felt that they each promoted themselves a rank and this hierarchy became annoying to me until I looked once again and saw Keoki's aura and realized that he, too, had moved up a rank. After that, he was very happy because he knew I knew where he was. He used to jump through the open window of the car and sit in the front seat, another promotion, and he no longer needed my permission to do all the things he always wanted to do. Then, when visiting Hawaii, I decided to drop in on my old Kahuna friend, Morrnah Simeona. Morrnah asked immediately, Which one of your dogs died? I asked why. She said, There is a white dog sitting on the sidewalk who followed you here. I asked, Is he earthbound? She closed her eyes in the way I had always remembered her doing when important utterances were soon to follow. I was riveted on her and then her eyes opened and her lips began to move. She said, He said to tell you that it is his pleasure to be with you until the end of Time. Maybe Molly isn't really gone, only changed. - Steve N http://cancersalves.com/discus_cs/messages/210/210.html From: zzekel...@aol.com [mailto:zzekel...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:14 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSLL) My Thanks to all, Molly has passed. Last night Molly was awake all night as were my son Dan I. She was crying we knew she was in pain. We gave her Tylenol codeine which did not help..This morning she could not get up. We knew it was time to say goodbye...The traveling Vet came at 11:00 to day Molly gently quietly crossed over. The vet said that with the kind of cancer Molly had it was often to late by the time it was causing a problem which was Molly's problem. The ex ray showed it had reached her lungs the vet said after that it was only a matter of one or two weeks before it did total damage spread to many more areas I want to thank you all for your concern caring Her brother Zeke , sister Abby, My sons Dan John I were all with her when she left..The tears only stop for a little while all those wonderful memories can start the flow.. What an empty space there is in our lives now... Thanks again, Lois
Re: CSLL) Molly has osteo sarcoma
I am in Ohio and don't know anyone around here that makes silver.
Donna ACS
Donna are you in the US? Maybe you can find one of us home brewers in
your area who will share. I know I would be happy to share if you are
in my area (Mpls, MN). Because honestly it is cost prohibative to buy
- if you're going to buy it in any quantity you might as well buy a
silverpuppy because you make your money back pretty much from the
first batch.
Jaxi
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com
mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com wrote:
How much silver did you put in the cats water? And where is the
best place to buy it as I can't make my own. My cat has a large
lump behind his front leg.
Thanks,
Donna ACS
Our cat had a big lump on his back that the vet said was
cancerous. We put silver in his water, and after a few weeks we
could tell it was getting smaller. Now, it's gone, and the vet
was amazed and asked us what we did.
For your dog's, you could try that (assuming she'll drink it) and
putting silver with some dmso on the shoulder, topically for
awhile. Might have to shave the hair first, and I'd watch for
signs of skin irritation.
Hope things work out for you.
Debbie
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:28 AM, zzekel...@aol.com
mailto:zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
Just got back from the vet. Exray shows Molly, { 10 yr old,
Lab--Australian Shep. mix } has cancer in her shoulder. The
vet said it is the fastest spreading type of cancer. The
lungs are next then she said she would only give her 3 weeks.
Any idea at all if there is anything that can be done
where is the best site to go for information... Thanks, Lois
{ I'm going to post this on a couple other sites to see if
anyone at all can help }
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLL) Molly has osteo sarcoma
Thanks!
Donna ACS
Donna ACS,
I think we put a splash - maybe a tablespoon - of silver in about a
quart of the cat's water. We use Mesosilver, which is, of course,
spendier than making it yourself.
Debbie
On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com
mailto:dscroggs44...@gmail.com wrote:
How much silver did you put in the cats water? And where is the
best place to buy it as I can't make my own. My cat has a large
lump behind his front leg.
Thanks,
Donna ACS
Our cat had a big lump on his back that the vet said was
cancerous. We put silver in his water, and after a few weeks we
could tell it was getting smaller. Now, it's gone, and the vet
was amazed and asked us what we did.
For your dog's, you could try that (assuming she'll drink it) and
putting silver with some dmso on the shoulder, topically for
awhile. Might have to shave the hair first, and I'd watch for
signs of skin irritation.
Hope things work out for you.
Debbie
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 7:28 AM, zzekel...@aol.com
mailto:zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
Just got back from the vet. Exray shows Molly, { 10 yr old,
Lab--Australian Shep. mix } has cancer in her shoulder. The
vet said it is the fastest spreading type of cancer. The
lungs are next then she said she would only give her 3 weeks.
Any idea at all if there is anything that can be done
where is the best site to go for information... Thanks, Lois
{ I'm going to post this on a couple other sites to see if
anyone at all can help }
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #708
Steve, Thanks for your tip on turp. Did you drink water immediately after ingesting the turp and sugar? Wasn't it hard to swallow with sugar quite thick? Will putting EIS/CS in the ionic jewelry cleaner (like the lipo C) right after it finishes brewing make the particles smaller and unclump them? Thanks. Melly --- On Thu, 8/26/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #708 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 7:14 AM
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
You didn't specify what generator you are using. I think that would make a difference. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSusing electricity for healing - Part 2
If you overlook the obvious and complicate the simple, you get a new research grant. Okay I am not sure if that makes me want to laugh or cry. Because it is too true. Jaxi
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
A homemade generator with three 9 volt batteries. Laura jaxi wrote: You didn't specify what generator you are using. I think that would make a difference. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2798 - Release Date: 04/08/10 06:32:00
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
I'll let the far more experienced cover this one ... BUT ... I would say trying to make 2 gallons at once with a homemade 9 volt battery generator is a bad idea. Silver rods probably aren't long enough to start - no stirring device - etc ... Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net wrote: A homemade generator with three 9 volt batteries. Laura jaxi wrote: You didn't specify what generator you are using. I think that would make a difference. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2798 - Release Date: 04/08/10 06:32:00
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
If you want/need to make large amounts I would say to consider looking into a silvergen SilverGen at: http://www.silvergen.com If EIS usage is quite high the SG-7 pro unit because it is designed to produce 5 gallons of EIS per batch. It is fast and dependable, producing 5 gallons of crystal clear EIS in about 6 or 8 hours. Yes, it is spendy on the front end, but you save money in the long run and can produce a reliable consistent product. Peace, Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net wrote: A homemade generator with three 9 volt batteries. Laura jaxi wrote: You didn't specify what generator you are using. I think that would make a difference. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2798 - Release Date: 04/08/10 06:32:00
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
Or really large amounts, build your own flow through unit with 55 gallon drums, a magnetic pump, flow meter, power supply with cc diode, polarity reversing relay, 6X8 inch silver plates and fish aquarium. Total cost about $150. This will produce 55 gallons in 1 to 2 days depending on the ppm desired. Marshall jaxi wrote: If you want/need to make large amounts I would say to consider looking into a silvergen SilverGen at: http://www.silvergen.com http://www.silvergen.com/ If EIS usage is quite high the SG-7 pro unit because it is designed to produce 5 gallons of EIS per batch. It is fast and dependable, producing 5 gallons of crystal clear EIS in about 6 or 8 hours. Yes, it is spendy on the front end, but you save money in the long run and can produce a reliable consistent product. Peace, Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net wrote: A homemade generator with three 9 volt batteries. Laura jaxi wrote: You didn't specify what generator you are using. I think that would make a difference. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2798 - Release Date: 04/08/10 06:32:00
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
Have you got that link Ode--the one which illustrates what happens to CS when H202 is added? thanks. dee On 26 Aug 2010, at 10:00, Ode Coyote wrote: I use 6 drops of 3% per quart...AFTER I try it on a sample and see no immediate reaction. This ain't rocket surgery... If a little bit doesn't do it, use a few more drops. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro
I got mine on ebay. dee On 26 Aug 2010, at 15:34, Dianne France wrote: Where can you purchase food grade hydrogen peroxide? Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:33:22 -0500 From: bradlebro...@gmail.com To: Silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSHydrogen Peroxide, Nasal Sprayer Garden Applications By Bill Munro Persons interested in obtaining information relating to Bill Munro's H2O2 protocol.will find it here. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDry eye
For dry eye, my ophthalmologist recommends any brand of eye lubricating drops except Visine. I like Systane in the vials since there is less chance of infection when every day you open a fresh one, plus they're free of preservatives, but they are more expensive that way. (cheaper at WalMart) http://www.drugstore.com/qxp150924_333181_sespider/systane/lubricant_eye_drops_preservative_free_vials.htm Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPeripheral Neuropathy
Read the whole article, especially the section on Nutritional Options for Neuropathy at: http://www.lef.org/protocols/neurological/neuropathy_01.htm Dan On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:09 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: Found these things on the Life Extension Foundation website: Just five weeks of oral supplementation with lipoic acid significantly improved the stabbing pain, burning pain, and numbness of the feet in patients suffering from diabetic neuropathy, with the dose-effectiveness range being 600-1,800 mg of lipoic acid dosed orally per day. The dose of R-lipoic acid to achieve this effect in diabetics would be half this amount, since it is the “R” form of lipoic acid that is biologically active in the body. Some of the most impressive research on lipoic acid involves its role in fighting type 2 diabetes. Numerous studies have shown that lipoic acid improves glucose tolerance as well as the peripheral nerve complications associated with full-blown diabetes. Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDry eye
My problem with products like that is the amount of landfill waste they produce. But I am glad they work for you. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: For dry eye, my ophthalmologist recommends any brand of eye lubricating drops except Visine. I like Systane in the vials since there is less chance of infection when every day you open a fresh one, plus they're free of preservatives, but they are more expensive that way. (cheaper at WalMart) http://www.drugstore.com/qxp150924_333181_sespider/systane/lubricant_eye_drops_preservative_free_vials.htm Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
Hi Ode you posted some information on Sodium Chlorite a while ago..Can you post it again.. I lost my copy.. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 06:30 Subject: Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!! I use 6 drops of 3% per quart...AFTER I try it on a sample and see no immediate reaction. This ain't rocket surgery... If a little bit doesn't do it, use a few more drops. Ode At 05:00 PM 8/25/2010 +0100, you wrote: I can't find it either PT but Ode posted it in illustration form so hopefully he will jump in here. dee On 25 Aug 2010, at 15:50, needling around wrote: Hi Dee, I found the discussion of peroxide and what it does but I didn't find anything on the website that discussed 3% vs 35%. Would you send the web address for the page? Or Ode if you read this would you comment on 3% v 35% peroxide for breaking down particle size?... or anyone else??? Thanks. PT -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: EXTERNAL:Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!!
This one? http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg126954.html -Original Message- From: Alvin Rose [mailto:ajros...@nf.sympatico.ca] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:33 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CShydrogen peroxide - Ode help!! Hi Ode you posted some information on Sodium Chlorite a while ago..Can you post it again.. I lost my copy.. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSources: Food Grade H202 (35%)
Look at listings on the Left Hand Margin of this website and click on Listing note referring to finding source near you. All of the lower states are listed. Good Luck in your research endeavors. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. http://www.h2o2oxytech.com/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmake two gallons at a time?
Hi Laura, You can do that. It is a good start. But you may need to do some homework. Its really important to know how much current is flowing because that is what strips the silver from one of the rods. First question is what is the Anode area. This is the area of the rod connected to + of the batteries. we need this to work out what the max current should be. It is almost essential to use some form of current controller to limit the current to 1mA per square inch of anode area. That should prevent a runaway condition where the silver goes murky. So you will need to connect up a milliAmp meter to get a reading to check the current. So , What size electrodes do you have? In the archives is reference to a Faraday spreadsheet which will then help you work out how long to run the set up in the volume of container to get to 10 ppm. None of this is accurate because of all sorts of If's and Buts; there is just immense satisfaction knowing that you know a bit about the process. And almost anything you make will work satisfactorily. I would perhaps experiment with smaller quantity of water to learn how to set and adjust and control current. Oh, and you must have stirring if you are going to run it hours. That is unless you are going to give it a whirl every now and then. Ok, Tony On 26 Aug 2010 at 12:40, Homestead Springsberry wrote about : Subject : Re: CSmake two gallons at a time? A homemade generator with three 9 volt batteries. Laura jaxi wrote: You didn't specify what generator you are using. I think that would make a difference. Jaxi On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Homestead Springsberry springsbe...@pa.net mailto:springsbe...@pa.net wrote: If I set up a generator with two gallons of distilled water in the reservoir, will it take ten hours to generate the nanoparticle CS or still only the five. The only difference is that the reservoir holds two gallons or more. I want to use it on the homestead and I have two college students this fall. Laura -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org http://www.silverlist.org/ Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2798 - Release Date: 04/08/10 06:32:00
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #708
I did drink some water after taking the turpentine to wash it down. It was probably less than a half tsp of sugar. You just put the turpentine in a spoon and add sugar till the turpentine is covered and a little loose white sugar shows. It is very easy to take and I think it actually tastes good. If you put EIS/CS in a jewelry cleaner and turn it on, it will increase clumping of the silver and increase particle size. - Steve N From: Melly Bag [mailto:tita_...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:15 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #708 Steve, Thanks for your tip on turp. Did you drink water immediately after ingesting the turp and sugar? Wasn't it hard to swallow with sugar quite thick? Will putting EIS/CS in the ionic jewelry cleaner (like the lipo C) right after it finishes brewing make the particles smaller and unclump them? Thanks. Melly --- On Thu, 8/26/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #708 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 7:14 AM
CSCS Questions!
Lots of questions here! I guess the only archives to speak of are the actual emails? I guess this group is intentionally low key. 1. Ions in solution: I've read that ionic silver is in pure water is saturated at 13.3PPM. I have also read that there are not ions in the solution, but a combination of silver oxide and silverhydroxide, and that each has roughly 13PPM saturation point, so the total ionic silver could get as high as 26PPM. This conflicts with the idea that only 13.3 can be reached. Can anyone explain what the ions are actually doing in solution? Why wouldn't people brew up to 26 PPM if that were the case. 2. Filtering: I use 2 layered white coffee filters to filter my CS. I read filtering may cause particles to clump together, which I guess is called agglomeration. Is this really an issue? Also, I don't immediately trash the filters. I let them sit in the funnel and if they still look clean, I use them next time. Sometimes they turn weird colors. What is up with that? 3. Charred anode: Why does the anode turn black and look charred after brewing a batch. Is that just the color of silver that is no longer smooth, but roughed up? 4. Sparklies: I think my particle size is real good, and the maker of the gen measured it at 2 to 4 nanometers at CSL. Still it sometimes looks slightly yellow, which makes me worry I am not clean enough in my process, and I am getting large particles. I can see a faint tyndall with a laser pointer in pitch black. In the stream of red light, I can see a tiny flash a light here and there that looks like a tiny dust particle shining in the sunlight while blowing through the air. They are by no means able to be isolated. Are these the same thing as what people call sparklies? Is that an indication of large particles? 5. Argyria: FYI, I think I have a mild sign of argyria. Only in the roof of my mouth their is a grayish area. I keep an eye on it. 6. Making CS more effective: I read that 1 drop of 35% food grade H2O2 per 8 oz of CS can break up particles into diatomic size particles! Is this for real? If this is the case, then what does it matter what kind of generator is used? After adding H2O2, it all ends up the same right? In fact, if you brew to a very high PPM (which would tend to get larger particles), that may actually allow more mass of silver to ultimately end up in the solution after treating it with H2O2. From that standpoint, a bad generator might be best! How do you know you've used enough H2O2? Is it more effective because of the new small particles or for some other reason? I have had IV H202 with no effect. Also, diatomic particles would be smaller than mesosilver? FYI, I use a generator that runs on 2 double A batteries. Very very tiny current. Takes 2.5 days to brew a quart to about 12PPM. Thanks, ~David p.s. the digest mode hurts my foggy brain, and now I am trying individual email subscription. I guess I am spoiled using yahoo groups were you don't need to get emails.
Re: CSCS Questions!
Hi, Are you starting with distilled water? If you are, why are you filtering your CS? I've only been doing it for a couple of months and I am using a silverpuppy and I have never had to run the CS through a filter. Maybe some of the 'oldsters' will comment :-) PT - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:54 PM Subject: CSCS Questions! Lots of questions here! I guess the only archives to speak of are the actual emails? I guess this group is intentionally low key. 1. Ions in solution: I've read that ionic silver is in pure water is saturated at 13.3PPM. I have also read that there are not ions in the solution, but a combination of silver oxide and silverhydroxide, and that each has roughly 13PPM saturation point, so the total ionic silver could get as high as 26PPM. This conflicts with the idea that only 13.3 can be reached. Can anyone explain what the ions are actually doing in solution? Why wouldn't people brew up to 26 PPM if that were the case. 2. Filtering: I use 2 layered white coffee filters to filter my CS. I read filtering may cause particles to clump together, which I guess is called agglomeration. Is this really an issue? Also, I don't immediately trash the filters. I let them sit in the funnel and if they still look clean, I use them next time. Sometimes they turn weird colors. What is up with that? 3. Charred anode: Why does the anode turn black and look charred after brewing a batch. Is that just the color of silver that is no longer smooth, but roughed up? 4. Sparklies: I think my particle size is real good, and the maker of the gen measured it at 2 to 4 nanometers at CSL. Still it sometimes looks slightly yellow, which makes me worry I am not clean enough in my process, and I am getting large particles. I can see a faint tyndall with a laser pointer in pitch black. In the stream of red light, I can see a tiny flash a light here and there that looks like a tiny dust particle shining in the sunlight while blowing through the air. They are by no means able to be isolated. Are these the same thing as what people call sparklies? Is that an indication of large particles? 5. Argyria: FYI, I think I have a mild sign of argyria. Only in the roof of my mouth their is a grayish area. I keep an eye on it. 6. Making CS more effective: I read that 1 drop of 35% food grade H2O2 per 8 oz of CS can break up particles into diatomic size particles! Is this for real? If this is the case, then what does it matter what kind of generator is used? After adding H2O2, it all ends up the same right? In fact, if you brew to a very high PPM (which would tend to get larger particles), that may actually allow more mass of silver to ultimately end up in the solution after treating it with H2O2. From that standpoint, a bad generator might be best! How do you know you've used enough H2O2? Is it more effective because of the new small particles or for some other reason? I have had IV H202 with no effect. Also, diatomic particles would be smaller than mesosilver? FYI, I use a generator that runs on 2 double A batteries. Very very tiny current. Takes 2.5 days to brew a quart to about 12PPM. Thanks, ~David p.s. the digest mode hurts my foggy brain, and now I am trying individual email subscription. I guess I am spoiled using yahoo groups were you don't need to get emails.
Re:CSMy first post
Welcome Dave, I just read your second post as well, but would like to make a couple of comments to this post. 32 oz of 12 ppm CS daily is an awful lot of silver. Far more than your body can excrete in a day. If you use that much regularly the excess silver has to go somewhere. And that somewhere is your tissues. While I understand the severity of your condition having Lyme, etc., I would strongly recommend a lower dose. I would also strongly recommend against the use of silver nitrate. There are alternatives that are more effective with less risk of argyria. Silver nitrate is notorious for causing argyria. Vitamin C, ascorbic acid, can reduce it to metallic silver in the tissues where it then remains and contributes to argyria. A much better alternative is silver citrate, which is easy to make. However, you will still need to limit it's usage to reasonable quantities. If you are supplementing selenium while using large amounts of CS, and you should be, use the selenomethionine form of selenium. It will not complex with silver and cause the deposition of silver in the tissues. I first started using CS to get me away from a continuous use of antibiotics. The CS got me off antibiotics but I was using more CS than I liked. I found that cycling CS with iodine worked well for me and now I use fairly low amounts of either. I hope you find something that works for you. Regards, Steve N From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:CSMy first post Hi All, I'm new to this list. I've been following every CS group on yahoo, but they all seem pretty dead! This one looks like the goldmine I've been looking for! I'm here to learn about all sorts of innumerable details of CS. I am not in the biz, but have not ruled out the possibility that some day I might be. Hence I want to learn, learn, learn. I have Lyme, bartonella, babesia, mycoplasma, candida, and I don't know what else. A regular swamp. I believe Lyme is minimal now and candida is essentially a non issue now. Bartonella I think is the main enemy by far right now. I have been sick since age 16, and just kind of lived with it until age 22. I couldn't live with it anymore. It was do or die. In what I now think was truly a race for my life, I finally got diagnosed with Lyme at age 23. Somehow I finished grad school. I am now 25, and too sick to work. I have a B.S. and M.S. in industrial engineering from a top university. I've done all sorts of crazy therapies. The ones that have helped the most for my particular case: 1. Coconut oil absolutely ransacked candida where as nystatin and diflucan had no apparent effect at all. 2. Doug coil rife machine herxed and improved on Lyme frequencies and eventually stopped being effective. Presumably because the other infections are the bad guys left. 3. Homemade ionic silver. Sometimes as much as 32 oz a day. Somewhat regularly for a few months. Then it stopped being effective orally. If I don't take it for 4 or 5 days, I feel some bugs edging up. I take CS, then it knocks that feeling out for 4 or 5 days. I think I might slowly head backwards if I did not keep doing this with the CS. In general, I tend not to respond to treatments. I am the guy who wishes he could get something to make him herx, but just can't. The latest development in my treatment: IV silver nitrate I have had two treatments so far. First one have me a herx that was almost literally identical to flu. Fever, chills, weakness, etc. I have never in my life had a herx that felt like the immune system was actually doing its job! The second treatment was lower dose cuz I was scared after the first treatment. No flu symptoms but more usual herx symptoms (fatigue, depression, brain fog). Round three is this friday! ~David p.s. to reply to messages, do I just click reply to it when I get messages in my gmail inbox? I subscribed to the digest. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #708
My mother gave that turpentine mixture to me when I was a little girl, I haven't heard of it for years (I'm 72 now).. I was wondering what the people on the list use for ear infection. I've used CS, peroxide, peroxide,/alchol mix, etc. I'm using swedish bitters now, anyone had any experience with swedish bitters?ThanksKathy - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 4:36 PM Subject: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #708 I did drink some water after taking the turpentine to wash it down. It was probably less than a half tsp of sugar. You just put the turpentine in a spoon and add sugar till the turpentine is covered and a little loose white sugar shows. It is very easy to take and I think it actually tastes good. If you put EIS/CS in a jewelry cleaner and turn it on, it will increase clumping of the silver and increase particle size. - Steve N From: Melly Bag [mailto:tita_...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:15 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #708 Steve, Thanks for your tip on turp. Did you drink water immediately after ingesting the turp and sugar? Wasn't it hard to swallow with sugar quite thick? Will putting EIS/CS in the ionic jewelry cleaner (like the lipo C) right after it finishes brewing make the particles smaller and unclump them? Thanks. Melly --- On Thu, 8/26/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com wrote: From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #708 To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, August 26, 2010, 7:14 AM
Re: CSMy first post
http://www.betterhealthguy.com/joomla/images/stories/PDF/kpu_klinghardt_explore_18-6.pdf Kryptopyrroluria (aka Hemopyrrollactamuria): A Major Piece of the Puzzle in Overcoming Chronic Lyme Disease In looking for possible explanations as to why some patients struggle more than others to regain their health, Dr. Klinghardt has found a high correlation between patients with chronic Lyme disease and those with Kryptopyrroluria (KPU), or more precisely Hemopyrrol- lactamuria (HPU). Garnet_LDN wrote: You may want to investigate the treatments that Dr Dietrich Klinghardt uses for chronic Lyme patients. He is also a chronic lyme patient himself. He is brilliant and at the forefront of treating the whole person as well as being forward thinking in his methods. He gets mostly the toughest cases and is highly thought of in the Lyme Disease world. He is in the Seattle area, but works with LLMD all over the country and trains doctors in his methods. There is a disorder called Pyrroluria that he finds in some 80% of those with LD which is treated with Vitamins and Minerals. I recently started a list on this disorder so rather than take up space here I will give you the list address. You can check out Dr K's folder in the links section or just search on Dr K to find out more about his approach to treating Lyme. There may be a connection between Pyrroluria and the immune system challenges of many degnerative diseases. Please see the list description for more information. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria Scott Forsgren is a Lyme patient of Dr K and has written extensively on his experience. You may want to write to Scott personally, I think he might have a lot to share with you. Here is a recent article he wrote on Pyrroluria: Kryptopyrroluria (aka Hemopyrrollactamuria): A Major Piece of the Puzzle in Overcoming Chronic Lyme Disea Public Health Alert, May 2010, Vol 5 Issue 5 http://www.publichealthalert.org/pdf/2010_05.pdf Dr Klinghardt's Power Point ~ Lyme In Autism 2009 Conference. Excellent and fairly quick read. This is the Power Point that he used in his presentation (video link below) http://web.mac.com/thriiive/Summit5/Protocol_files/KPU%2009.ppt This is an excellent video although I had trouble with it yesterday so it may not play all the way through for you. Dr K talks about Lyme, Pyrroluria and Autism. Treatment and detox are major topics. Dietritch Klinghardt, M.D.’s Presentation on HPU, Lyme Disease and Autism LIA Foundation’s 2009 Annual Conference http://planetthrive.com/2010/04/hpukpu-protocol-for-lyme-and-autism/ Hope you find some useful information in these links, Janet David AuBuchon wrote: Hi All, I'm new to this list. I've been following every CS group on yahoo, but they all seem pretty dead! This one looks like the goldmine I've been looking for! I'm here to learn about all sorts of innumerable details of CS. I am not in the biz, but have not ruled out the possibility that some day I might be. Hence I want to learn, learn, learn. I have Lyme, bartonella, babesia, mycoplasma, candida, and I don't know what else. A regular swamp. I believe Lyme is minimal now and candida is essentially a non issue now. Bartonella I think is the main enemy by far right now. I have been sick since age 16, and just kind of lived with it until age 22. I couldn't live with it anymore. It was do or die. In what I now think was truly a race for my life, I finally got diagnosed with Lyme at age 23. Somehow I finished grad school. I am now 25, and too sick to work. I have a B.S. and M.S. in industrial engineering from a top university. I've done all sorts of crazy therapies. The ones that have helped the most for my particular case: 1. Coconut oil absolutely ransacked candida where as nystatin and diflucan had no apparent effect at all. 2. Doug coil rife machine herxed and improved on Lyme frequencies and eventually stopped being effective. Presumably because the other infections are the bad guys left. 3. Homemade ionic silver. Sometimes as much as 32 oz a day. Somewhat regularly for a few months. Then it stopped being effective orally. If I don't take it for 4 or 5 days, I feel some bugs edging up. I take CS, then it knocks that feeling out for 4 or 5 days. I think I might slowly head backwards if I did not keep doing this with the CS. In general, I tend not to respond to treatments. I am the guy who wishes he could get something to make him herx, but just can't. The latest development in my treatment: IV silver nitrate I have had two treatments so far. First one have me a herx that was almost literally identical to flu. Fever, chills, weakness, etc. I have never in my life had a herx that felt like the immune system was actually doing its job! The second treatment was lower dose cuz I was scared after the first treatment. No flu symptoms but more usual herx symptoms (fatigue, depression, brain fog). Round
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I tested negative for KPU actually. I like Dr. K a lot and follow his talks, etc. I actually saw Scott in my Lyme doctor's office just 2 weeks ago. Small world! I JUST got off the phone with a Lyme oriented nutritionist and possibly have some answers! Conclusions based on many lab tests: -Severe mineral and amino acid deficiencies -Severe flouride poisining -Heavy metal poisoning -selenoarsenate poisoning -gall stones!! (wth...I'm only 25) -sluggish kidneys - a long standing virus and a parasite that have not yet been identified This is in addition to the bugs I already know about! (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma ,and babesia [could be the parasite]) HOLY THIS AND THAT! ~David On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Garnet_LDN garnet_...@austin.rr.comwrote: http://www.betterhealthguy.com/joomla/images/stories/PDF/kpu_klinghardt_explore_18-6.pdf Kryptopyrroluria (aka Hemopyrrollactamuria): A Major Piece of the Puzzle in Overcoming Chronic Lyme Disease In looking for possible explanations as to why some patients struggle more than others to regain their health, Dr. Klinghardt has found a high correlation between patients with chronic Lyme disease and those with Kryptopyrroluria (KPU), or more precisely Hemopyrrol- lactamuria (HPU). Garnet_LDN wrote: You may want to investigate the treatments that Dr Dietrich Klinghardt uses for chronic Lyme patients. He is also a chronic lyme patient himself. He is brilliant and at the forefront of treating the whole person as well as being forward thinking in his methods. He gets mostly the toughest cases and is highly thought of in the Lyme Disease world. He is in the Seattle area, but works with LLMD all over the country and trains doctors in his methods. There is a disorder called Pyrroluria that he finds in some 80% of those with LD which is treated with Vitamins and Minerals. I recently started a list on this disorder so rather than take up space here I will give you the list address. You can check out Dr K's folder in the links section or just search on Dr K to find out more about his approach to treating Lyme. There may be a connection between Pyrroluria and the immune system challenges of many degnerative diseases. Please see the list description for more information. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria Scott Forsgren is a Lyme patient of Dr K and has written extensively on his experience. You may want to write to Scott personally, I think he might have a lot to share with you. Here is a recent article he wrote on Pyrroluria: Kryptopyrroluria (aka Hemopyrrollactamuria): A Major Piece of the Puzzle in Overcoming Chronic Lyme Disea Public Health Alert, May 2010, Vol 5 Issue 5 http://www.publichealthalert.org/pdf/2010_05.pdf Dr Klinghardt's Power Point ~ Lyme In Autism 2009 Conference. Excellent and fairly quick read. This is the Power Point that he used in his presentation (video link below) http://web.mac.com/thriiive/Summit5/Protocol_files/KPU%2009.ppt This is an excellent video although I had trouble with it yesterday so it may not play all the way through for you. Dr K talks about Lyme, Pyrroluria and Autism. Treatment and detox are major topics. Dietritch Klinghardt, M.D.’s Presentation on HPU, Lyme Disease and Autism LIA Foundation’s 2009 Annual Conference http://planetthrive.com/2010/04/hpukpu-protocol-for-lyme-and-autism/ Hope you find some useful information in these links, Janet David AuBuchon wrote: Hi All, I'm new to this list. I've been following every CS group on yahoo, but they all seem pretty dead! This one looks like the goldmine I've been looking for! I'm here to learn about all sorts of innumerable details of CS. I am not in the biz, but have not ruled out the possibility that some day I might be. Hence I want to learn, learn, learn. I have Lyme, bartonella, babesia, mycoplasma, candida, and I don't know what else. A regular swamp. I believe Lyme is minimal now and candida is essentially a non issue now. Bartonella I think is the main enemy by far right now. I have been sick since age 16, and just kind of lived with it until age 22. I couldn't live with it anymore. It was do or die. In what I now think was truly a race for my life, I finally got diagnosed with Lyme at age 23. Somehow I finished grad school. I am now 25, and too sick to work. I have a B.S. and M.S. in industrial engineering from a top university. I've done all sorts of crazy therapies. The ones that have helped the most for my particular case: 1. Coconut oil absolutely ransacked candida where as nystatin and diflucan had no apparent effect at all. 2. Doug coil rife machine herxed and improved on Lyme frequencies and eventually stopped being effective. Presumably because the other infections are the bad guys left. 3. Homemade ionic silver. Sometimes as much as 32 oz a day. Somewhat regularly for a few months. Then it stopped being effective orally. If I don't
Re: Re:CSMy first post
Hi Steve, Is there a dosage level of CS that requires the change to selenomethionine instead of selenium? I take selenium once a day in the evening and am wondering if I need to change the formulation. I take approximately 2 oz CS am and pm. If the CS is taken hours away from the selenium does that help? Thank you. PT - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 6:38 PM Subject: Re:CSMy first post Welcome Dave, I just read your second post as well, but would like to make a couple of comments to this post. 32 oz of 12 ppm CS daily is an awful lot of silver. Far more than your body can excrete in a day. If you use that much regularly the excess silver has to go somewhere. And that somewhere is your tissues. While I understand the severity of your condition having Lyme, etc., I would strongly recommend a lower dose. I would also strongly recommend against the use of silver nitrate. There are alternatives that are more effective with less risk of argyria. Silver nitrate is notorious for causing argyria. Vitamin C, ascorbic acid, can reduce it to metallic silver in the tissues where it then remains and contributes to argyria. A much better alternative is silver citrate, which is easy to make. However, you will still need to limit it's usage to reasonable quantities. If you are supplementing selenium while using large amounts of CS, and you should be, use the selenomethionine form of selenium. It will not complex with silver and cause the deposition of silver in the tissues. I first started using CS to get me away from a continuous use of antibiotics. The CS got me off antibiotics but I was using more CS than I liked. I found that cycling CS with iodine worked well for me and now I use fairly low amounts of either. I hope you find something that works for you. Regards, Steve N From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 8:02 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL:CSMy first post Hi All, I'm new to this list. I've been following every CS group on yahoo, but they all seem pretty dead! This one looks like the goldmine I've been looking for! I'm here to learn about all sorts of innumerable details of CS. I am not in the biz, but have not ruled out the possibility that some day I might be. Hence I want to learn, learn, learn. I have Lyme, bartonella, babesia, mycoplasma, candida, and I don't know what else. A regular swamp. I believe Lyme is minimal now and candida is essentially a non issue now. Bartonella I think is the main enemy by far right now. I have been sick since age 16, and just kind of lived with it until age 22. I couldn't live with it anymore. It was do or die. In what I now think was truly a race for my life, I finally got diagnosed with Lyme at age 23. Somehow I finished grad school. I am now 25, and too sick to work. I have a B.S. and M.S. in industrial engineering from a top university. I've done all sorts of crazy therapies. The ones that have helped the most for my particular case: 1. Coconut oil absolutely ransacked candida where as nystatin and diflucan had no apparent effect at all. 2. Doug coil rife machine herxed and improved on Lyme frequencies and eventually stopped being effective. Presumably because the other infections are the bad guys left. 3. Homemade ionic silver. Sometimes as much as 32 oz a day. Somewhat regularly for a few months. Then it stopped being effective orally. If I don't take it for 4 or 5 days, I feel some bugs edging up. I take CS, then it knocks that feeling out for 4 or 5 days. I think I might slowly head backwards if I did not keep doing this with the CS. In general, I tend not to respond to treatments. I am the guy who wishes he could get something to make him herx, but just can't. The latest development in my treatment: IV silver nitrate I have had two treatments so far. First one have me a herx that was almost literally identical to flu. Fever, chills, weakness, etc. I have never in my life had a herx that felt like the immune system was actually doing its job! The second treatment was lower dose cuz I was scared after the first treatment. No flu symptoms but more usual herx symptoms (fatigue, depression, brain fog). Round three is this friday! ~David p.s. to reply to messages, do I just click reply to it when I get messages in my gmail inbox? I subscribed to the digest. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMy first post
Not to beg the question but about 20% of KPU tests are false negatives. Pyrroles are very easily degraded by heat and light and labs have been known to mishandle the samples, allowing them to get too warm and have been known to even refreeze them, something to consider if your symptoms are a really close match, particularly low stress tolerance with an anger reaction and nightmares or no dream recall. Taurine is good for gall stones BTW. Pyrrolurics accumulate heavy metals because of Zinc deficiencies. Plasma Zinc levels are not an accurate reflection. Janet David AuBuchon wrote: I tested negative for KPU actually. I like Dr. K a lot and follow his talks, etc. I actually saw Scott in my Lyme doctor's office just 2 weeks ago. Small world! I JUST got off the phone with a Lyme oriented nutritionist and possibly have some answers! Conclusions based on many lab tests: -Severe mineral and amino acid deficiencies -Severe flouride poisining -Heavy metal poisoning -selenoarsenate poisoning -gall stones!! (wth...I'm only 25) -sluggish kidneys - a long standing virus and a parasite that have not yet been identified This is in addition to the bugs I already know about! (lyme, bartonella, mycoplasma ,and babesia [could be the parasite]) HOLY THIS AND THAT! ~David On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 6:35 PM, Garnet_LDN garnet_...@austin.rr.com mailto:garnet_...@austin.rr.com wrote: http://www.betterhealthguy.com/joomla/images/stories/PDF/kpu_klinghardt_explore_18-6.pdf Kryptopyrroluria (aka Hemopyrrollactamuria): A Major Piece of the Puzzle in Overcoming Chronic Lyme Disease In looking for possible explanations as to why some patients struggle more than others to regain their health, Dr. Klinghardt has found a high correlation between patients with chronic Lyme disease and those with Kryptopyrroluria (KPU), or more precisely Hemopyrrol- lactamuria (HPU). Garnet_LDN wrote: You may want to investigate the treatments that Dr Dietrich Klinghardt uses for chronic Lyme patients. He is also a chronic lyme patient himself. He is brilliant and at the forefront of treating the whole person as well as being forward thinking in his methods. He gets mostly the toughest cases and is highly thought of in the Lyme Disease world. He is in the Seattle area, but works with LLMD all over the country and trains doctors in his methods. There is a disorder called Pyrroluria that he finds in some 80% of those with LD which is treated with Vitamins and Minerals. I recently started a list on this disorder so rather than take up space here I will give you the list address. You can check out Dr K's folder in the links section or just search on Dr K to find out more about his approach to treating Lyme. There may be a connection between Pyrroluria and the immune system challenges of many degnerative diseases. Please see the list description for more information. http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria Scott Forsgren is a Lyme patient of Dr K and has written extensively on his experience. You may want to write to Scott personally, I think he might have a lot to share with you. Here is a recent article he wrote on Pyrroluria: Kryptopyrroluria (aka Hemopyrrollactamuria): A Major Piece of the Puzzle in Overcoming Chronic Lyme Disea Public Health Alert, May 2010, Vol 5 Issue 5 http://www.publichealthalert.org/pdf/2010_05.pdf Dr Klinghardt's Power Point ~ Lyme In Autism 2009 Conference. Excellent and fairly quick read. This is the Power Point that he used in his presentation (video link below) http://web.mac.com/thriiive/Summit5/Protocol_files/KPU%2009.ppt This is an excellent video although I had trouble with it yesterday so it may not play all the way through for you. Dr K talks about Lyme, Pyrroluria and Autism. Treatment and detox are major topics. Dietritch Klinghardt, M.D.’s Presentation on HPU, Lyme Disease and Autism LIA Foundation’s 2009 Annual Conference http://planetthrive.com/2010/04/hpukpu-protocol-for-lyme-and-autism/ Hope you find some useful information in these links, Janet David AuBuchon wrote: Hi All, I'm new to this list. I've been following every CS group on yahoo, but they all seem pretty dead! This one looks like the goldmine I've been looking for! I'm here to learn about all sorts of innumerable details of CS. I am not in the biz, but have not ruled out the possibility that some day I might be. Hence I want to learn, learn, learn. I have Lyme, bartonella, babesia, mycoplasma, candida, and
CSother therapies
There are so many very good alt therapies out there!! Have you looked into the Beck Protocol?Or electricity in general for healing?? The Yahoo group called microelectricitygermkiller has info on nearly every disease condition known to man and some very, very inexpensive and very, very effective little homemade (read cheap) devices. The files are a treasure trove for you. And electricity works. A site named, I think, www.rawfoodworld.com has some of the original Don Croft devices for sale for less than $35.00. They are great, especially for the money. They are great anyway, regardless of the money. And don't forget the chemical side of things. Vitamin D3 can cure a lot of things by itself, but it will help with every single thing. Swamp critters--the bell tolls for thee!! And EFT, strange though it seems, can do things that will knock your socks off and leave you sockless and speechless. Anyway, don't give up. You have just scratched the surface. You can get well. Or so close that life will be a pleasure and not just something to endure. Best wishes to you. pj -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Questions!
I use steam distilled water from walgreens. It reads 0.5 on the Hanna PWT initially. Some visibly large silver plating out on the cathode could accidentally be consumed, which is why I filter. I just noticed a batch I finished had Hanna PWT reading of 12.4. Then I filtered it and let it sit for 8 hours now. Now it measures 9.5! That must mean there are fewer ions in the solution? Does that mean particles agglomerated? I wonder if that would have happened if I transferred it without filtering. I even if I didn't transfer it at all. Oh, you know what...I washed out the mason jar with distilled water before I transferred. I wonder if that technically adds more stuff to the solution that ions react with. Maybe the transfer jars should not even be washed? ~David On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:17 PM, needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.netwrote: Hi, Are you starting with distilled water? If you are, why are you filtering your CS? I've only been doing it for a couple of months and I am using a silverpuppy and I have never had to run the CS through a filter. Maybe some of the 'oldsters' will comment :-) PT - Original Message - *From:* David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:54 PM *Subject:* CSCS Questions! Lots of questions here! I guess the only archives to speak of are the actual emails? I guess this group is intentionally low key. 1. Ions in solution: I've read that ionic silver is in pure water is saturated at 13.3PPM. I have also read that there are not ions in the solution, but a combination of silver oxide and silverhydroxide, and that each has roughly 13PPM saturation point, so the total ionic silver could get as high as 26PPM. This conflicts with the idea that only 13.3 can be reached. Can anyone explain what the ions are actually doing in solution? Why wouldn't people brew up to 26 PPM if that were the case. 2. Filtering: I use 2 layered white coffee filters to filter my CS. I read filtering may cause particles to clump together, which I guess is called agglomeration. Is this really an issue? Also, I don't immediately trash the filters. I let them sit in the funnel and if they still look clean, I use them next time. Sometimes they turn weird colors. What is up with that? 3. Charred anode: Why does the anode turn black and look charred after brewing a batch. Is that just the color of silver that is no longer smooth, but roughed up? 4. Sparklies: I think my particle size is real good, and the maker of the gen measured it at 2 to 4 nanometers at CSL. Still it sometimes looks slightly yellow, which makes me worry I am not clean enough in my process, and I am getting large particles. I can see a faint tyndall with a laser pointer in pitch black. In the stream of red light, I can see a tiny flash a light here and there that looks like a tiny dust particle shining in the sunlight while blowing through the air. They are by no means able to be isolated. Are these the same thing as what people call sparklies? Is that an indication of large particles? 5. Argyria: FYI, I think I have a mild sign of argyria. Only in the roof of my mouth their is a grayish area. I keep an eye on it. 6. Making CS more effective: I read that 1 drop of 35% food grade H2O2 per 8 oz of CS can break up particles into diatomic size particles! Is this for real? If this is the case, then what does it matter what kind of generator is used? After adding H2O2, it all ends up the same right? In fact, if you brew to a very high PPM (which would tend to get larger particles), that may actually allow more mass of silver to ultimately end up in the solution after treating it with H2O2. From that standpoint, a bad generator might be best! How do you know you've used enough H2O2? Is it more effective because of the new small particles or for some other reason? I have had IV H202 with no effect. Also, diatomic particles would be smaller than mesosilver? FYI, I use a generator that runs on 2 double A batteries. Very very tiny current. Takes 2.5 days to brew a quart to about 12PPM. Thanks, ~David p.s. the digest mode hurts my foggy brain, and now I am trying individual email subscription. I guess I am spoiled using yahoo groups were you don't need to get emails.
Re: CSLL) Molly has osteo sarcoma
ZZ,
Make quark and feed it to Molly. Get raw milk and buttermilk. Make a 7 to
1 mixture of raw milk to buttermilk and let it stand for at least one day.
Skim off the whey, then make a mixture of 50% quart, 50% organic flax oil.
This is the original Budwig diet. Feed this mixture daily, a cup or more a
day. Also use CS as the water source. There isn't much time, but get
oleander capsules and feed two a day to her. You can buy this at Utopia Silver
online, it's called Rose Laurel. I'm sorry there isn't much time. If you are
so inclined, call Ralph Schauss at Organic Resources and order their Vitae
Elixxir. This is an herbal chemotherapy and is very powerful. Never feed on
an empty stomach. Start with one drop a day and work your way up to several...
you can talk with Ralph or his daughter. The tele # is 307-266-5310. This
stuff WORKS. Good luck.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: zzekel...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 8:28 AM
Subject: CSLL) Molly has osteo sarcoma
Just got back from the vet. Exray shows Molly, { 10 yr old, Lab--Australian
Shep. mix } has cancer in her shoulder. The vet said it is the fastest
spreading type of cancer. The lungs are next then she said she would only
give her 3 weeks.
Any idea at all if there is anything that can be done where is the best
site to go for information... Thanks, Lois
{ I'm going to post this on a couple other sites to see if anyone at all
can help }
Re: CSLL) Molly has osteo sarcoma
Dave.,
You can feed a dog almost anything by putting the liquid in a syringe and
squirting it down their throats in a gentle manner. Lemon juice might be a bit
tart though!
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Dave Darrin
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: CSLL) Molly has osteo sarcoma
Lois
My opinion is to alkalise or die to coin a phrase. With a dog that might
be a challenge.
I have recommended a maple syrup and baking soda paste to alkalise but it
depends on the appetite
of the dog whether or not they will eat it, some will eat anything and others
won't. There are a number of alkalising
protocols that can be tried. They escape me now but there is probably someone
here that can come up with more.
I cured a cancerous growth on myself with eating half a lemon three times a
day( gulp it down straight) but I can't feature
getting a dog to do so.
Dave
On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:28 AM, zzekel...@aol.com wrote:
Just got back from the vet. Exray shows Molly, { 10 yr old, Lab--Australian
Shep. mix } has cancer in her shoulder. The vet said it is the fastest
spreading type of cancer. The lungs are next then she said she would only
give her 3 weeks.
Any idea at all if there is anything that can be done where is the
best site to go for information... Thanks, Lois
{ I'm going to post this on a couple other sites to see if anyone at all
can help }
Re: CSMy first post
Yes, that is a problem. My results were not borderline. It had some decent margin. Following Dr. K's suggestions, I added vitamin C to the collection container, and covered it in aluminum foil. Hopefully that helped keep it stable. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Garnet_LDN garnet_...@austin.rr.comwrote: Not to beg the question but about 20% of KPU tests are false negatives. Pyrroles are very easily degraded by heat and light and labs have been known to mishandle the samples, allowing them to get too warm and have been known to even refreeze them, something to consider if your symptoms are a really close match, particularly low stress tolerance with an anger reaction and nightmares or no dream recall. Taurine is good for gall stones BTW. Pyrrolurics accumulate heavy metals because of Zinc deficiencies. Plasma Zinc levels are not an accurate reflection. Janet
Re: CSLL) Molly has osteo sarcoma
Teri,
Did you feed it to your dog or apply it topically? Thanks.
Bob
- Original Message -
From: Teri
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: CSLL) Molly has osteo sarcoma
I just used a black salve to remove a breast tumor from my dog. Contact
lizardha...@juno.com about joining her group 2053 at google groups and getting
her BS.
Teri Kavakos
At 11:28 AM 8/24/2010, you wrote:
Just got back from the vet. Exray shows Molly, { 10 yr old, Lab--Australian
Shep. mix } has cancer in her shoulder. The vet said it is the fastest
spreading type of cancer. The lungs are next then she said she would only
give her 3 weeks.
Any idea at all if there is anything that can be done where is the
best site to go for information... Thanks, Lois
{ I'm going to post this on a couple other sites to see if anyone at all
can help }
