Re: CS>nebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Mike, 

I don't think you are reading the postings carefully.   

I suggest you read them carefully and try to understand their actual and 
intended meaning.

I think that it's well known to most list members that this is  NOT a forum for 
medical advice, and I reiterated that.  

That's the salient point, and I stated it in protection of the list and its 
members.

I think the guidelines say as much.  I will say no more about that; the list 
moderator always does a first-rate job.   

As for me, I was not offering any advice other than the the common-sense 
precautionary principle.  

I said clearly that inhaling H202 sounds potentially DANGEROUS to me.

Further, the initial posting made no reference to medical supervision, which 
raised a red flag.   

I suspect that inhaling H202 into infected lungs  could be deadly, particularly 
under self-administration.   

I don't know this for a fact.   

I  simply cite a potential risk.  

What I do know is that even 3.5% H202 from the drugstore can react very 
strongly with gum-tissue  infection.   

I would not want to have anything similar happen in my own lungs.

Moving on:  who said anything about abolishing H202, or inhalation therapy?   
That's an absurd insinuation.   

My objection to your message pertained to your manner of addressing a fellow  
list member.   I found it  confrontational and offensive.

Several more postings of the same kind -- worse, actually -- have followed in 
rapid succession.   

As for the comments about legal matters, I have no idea what you mean.  

I claim no medical expertise and offer no advice to anyone other than to be 
careful.   

I've raised similar concerns in past about inhaling H202, claiming no 
expertise, but advising caution, even with the drugstore product. 

(35% food grade H2O2 is downright dangerous and requires special handling.)  

 List members can do their own research and make their own decisions, of 
course.  

There's quite a lot of information online.

There are also licensed medical experts who can provide guidance.   

David has since stated that the person he wrote about has an MD supervising.  
That's good news.  







On 2011/09/14, at 14:19, Mike Monett wrote:

> 
> "Jonathan B. Britten"  wrote:
>> 
>> I feel certain that the list moderator would say (or does say in the list 
>> rules)  that no one on this list is qualified to offer medical advice to 
>> anyone.   The reply to the message below strikes me as intemperate, with 
>> uncalled for ad-hominem comments.   Nevertheless, my view is that anyone who 
>> inhales H202 might wind up suffocating from the foaming reaction this stuff 
>> can have when it meets pathogens.
> 
> Jonathan,
> 
> Are you giving medical advise on inhaling H2O2? Do you think it should be
> abolished?
> 
> Where do you claim the medical knowledge or experience to judge posts?
> 
> What relevant experience do you have to avoid the liabilities that can
> result from incompetence promoted in this forum.
> 
> Do you have any clue what attorneys do to people like you?
> 
> I would try to get some more guidance before posting such claims.
> 
> Please take careful measure of what is stated, and the consequences of
> error in the conclusions.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike Monett
> SilverCell
> 
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Re: CS>MiniCell Design Considerations

[Mike Monett]

  Re: CS>MiniCell Design Considerations

  Bernadette
  Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:26:52 -0700

  > I never  post - this was a wonderful post, and I will  follow this
  > line of thinking closely. Thank you, Mike.

  > B.

  Bernadette,

  Please join us at the silvercentral group at
  
  http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/
  
  Thanks,
  
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Re: CS>nebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]

[Mike Monett]

"Jonathan B. Britten"  wrote:
>
>I feel certain that the list moderator would say (or does say in the list 
>rules)  that no one on this list is qualified to offer medical advice to 
>anyone.   The reply to the message below strikes me as intemperate, with 
>uncalled for ad-hominem comments.   Nevertheless, my view is that anyone who 
>inhales H202 might wind up suffocating from the foaming reaction this stuff 
>can have when it meets pathogens.

Jonathan,

Are you giving medical advise on inhaling H2O2? Do you think it should be
abolished?

Where do you claim the medical knowledge or experience to judge posts?

What relevant experience do you have to avoid the liabilities that can
result from incompetence promoted in this forum.

Do you have any clue what attorneys do to people like you?

I would try to get some more guidance before posting such claims.

Please take careful measure of what is stated, and the consequences of
error in the conclusions.

Regards,

Mike Monett
SilverCell


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Re: CS>nebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]

[Mike Monett]

David AuBuchon  wrote:
>
>Thank you Mike for you sincere comments, and they provide more objectivity
>for me.  I actually make these suggestions to his integrative MD, and he
>makes the decisions.  He routinely prescribes nebulized peroxide, which is
>why he is taking it.  I personally wouldn't want to give him both at once,
>and am probing as whether or not I would really have to suggest to the
>doctor to stop the peroxide which he prescribed.  Actually the patient is
>doing much better off with his alternative treatment than had he not.  And
>it is not clear he is destined to leave this world, though he may.  I
>recently saw an elderly loved one who was weeks from death achieve complete
>remission.  He had a large colon tumor, blood loss, several large metastases
>in the liver, and he couldn't sit up on his own.
>
>~David

David,

Please try to find a day job that does not involve giving advise to MD's.

There are many other fields that could benefit from your ministrations.
Horiculture, fish farming, mining, airport security, even taxicab
monitoring in large cities.

Be objective. Know when you are outclassed in one area. 

Go strongly into some other field where you know you will be able to wipe
out the competition.

Only then you will know true satisfaction.

Best Regards,

Mike Monett
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Re: CS>nebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate?

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I feel certain that the list moderator would say (or does say in the list 
rules)  that no one on this list is qualified to offer medical advice to 
anyone.   The reply to the message below strikes me as intemperate, with 
uncalled for ad-hominem comments.   Nevertheless, my view is that anyone who 
inhales H202 might wind up suffocating from the foaming reaction this stuff can 
have when it meets pathogens.




On 2011/09/14, at 13:27, Mike Monett wrote:

> David AuBuchon  wrote:
>> 
>> Can someone do nebulized silver and peroxide on alternating days?  I have an
>> elderly person with lung cancer, diabetes, and mild parkinsons.  He is
>> already doing nebulized peroxide.  I want to give him nebulized silver 100
>> (100ppm potassium silver citrate).
>> 
>> No chemical reactions between residual silver and peroxide going to cause a
>> problem, don't you think?
>> 
>> ~David
> 
> David,
> 
> You are completely out of your field.
> 
> Words like irresponsible, amateur, incompetent, ignorant, lethal,
> dangerous, and incredulous cross my mind. All at the same time.
> 
> How on earth did you find yourself in such a position as to be giving
> treatment to someone destined to leave this earth. 
> 
> What failure in the many facilites of social services available in the US
> has presented this poor victim to your ministrations.
> 
> You have absolutely no medical training or knowledge. For you to ask these
> question on this forum simply means you have no clue about healing or legal
> responsibilities.
> 
> Please try to find some health organization that can take over from your
> unbelievable attempts, and hope you can get away without serious legal
> consequences. And do it now. 
> 
> Do not wait one more moment.
> 
> You simply have no clue what you are doing.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Mike Monett
> SilverCell
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Re: CS>nebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate?

[David AuBuchon]

Thank you Mike for you sincere comments, and they provide more objectivity
for me.  I actually make these suggestions to his integrative MD, and he
makes the decisions.  He routinely prescribes nebulized peroxide, which is
why he is taking it.  I personally wouldn't want to give him both at once,
and am probing as whether or not I would really have to suggest to the
doctor to stop the peroxide which he prescribed.  Actually the patient is
doing much better off with his alternative treatment than had he not.  And
it is not clear he is destined to leave this world, though he may.  I
recently saw an elderly loved one who was weeks from death achieve complete
remission.  He had a large colon tumor, blood loss, several large metastases
in the liver, and he couldn't sit up on his own.

~David

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Mike Monett wrote:

> David AuBuchon  wrote:
> >
> >Can someone do nebulized silver and peroxide on alternating days?  I have
> an
> >elderly person with lung cancer, diabetes, and mild parkinsons.  He is
> >already doing nebulized peroxide.  I want to give him nebulized silver 100
> >(100ppm potassium silver citrate).
> >
> >No chemical reactions between residual silver and peroxide going to cause
> a
> >problem, don't you think?
> >
> >~David
>
> David,
>
> You are completely out of your field.
>
> Words like irresponsible, amateur, incompetent, ignorant, lethal,
> dangerous, and incredulous cross my mind. All at the same time.
>
> How on earth did you find yourself in such a position as to be giving
> treatment to someone destined to leave this earth.
>
> What failure in the many facilites of social services available in the US
> has presented this poor victim to your ministrations.
>
> You have absolutely no medical training or knowledge. For you to ask these
> question on this forum simply means you have no clue about healing or legal
> responsibilities.
>
> Please try to find some health organization that can take over from your
> unbelievable attempts, and hope you can get away without serious legal
> consequences. And do it now.
>
> Do not wait one more moment.
>
> You simply have no clue what you are doing.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Mike Monett
> SilverCell
>
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Re: CS>nebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate?

[Mike Monett]

David AuBuchon  wrote:
>
>Can someone do nebulized silver and peroxide on alternating days?  I have an
>elderly person with lung cancer, diabetes, and mild parkinsons.  He is
>already doing nebulized peroxide.  I want to give him nebulized silver 100
>(100ppm potassium silver citrate).
>
>No chemical reactions between residual silver and peroxide going to cause a
>problem, don't you think?
>
>~David

David,

You are completely out of your field.

Words like irresponsible, amateur, incompetent, ignorant, lethal,
dangerous, and incredulous cross my mind. All at the same time.

How on earth did you find yourself in such a position as to be giving
treatment to someone destined to leave this earth. 

What failure in the many facilites of social services available in the US
has presented this poor victim to your ministrations.

You have absolutely no medical training or knowledge. For you to ask these
question on this forum simply means you have no clue about healing or legal
responsibilities.

Please try to find some health organization that can take over from your
unbelievable attempts, and hope you can get away without serious legal
consequences. And do it now. 

Do not wait one more moment.

You simply have no clue what you are doing.

Best Regards,

Mike Monett
SilverCell


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Re: CS>heel spurs

[phoenix23002 tds.net]

Hi, Lena...  Most shark cartilage caps are either 500 or 750mg (750
being more common).  The Lane Labs product is 750 mg but I prefer the
powder (it's cheaper).  I broke my back in an auto accident yrs ago
which started me on my quest to find an pain reliever as an
alternative to rx analgesics and shark cartilage was a godsend.  My
normal maintenance dose was 6 in am & 6 caps in pm.  Some folks are
able to get by on less.

I had to fly from Va to Texas back in the nineties and toted my daily
supplements in baggies (I would probably be arrested nowadays..lol).
Well, between all the running in airports and sleeping on a motel
mattress that was as hard as a board, by the time I got home after a
week, I was almost in tears from  hip pain and could hardly walk.  Got
home, immediately took 10 - 12 shark cartilage pills every hour for
two - three hrs, slapped the old trusty castor oil pack on my hip and
by the next day I was good as new.  It was amazing.

I think Walmart has shark cartilage.  I wouldn't want to take it all
the time but, if you run short, you might pick some up from them or
there are a lot of GNC's and Vitamin Shoppes around the country.  I
checked GNC's website and they have a shark cartilage product made by
Natural Brands with good reviews - 180 count for $ 26.19.  As long as
it is a made by a reputable company, you can probably get by until you
get home and get the 'good stuff'.  Just don't be stingy with it.
Take loading doses for a few days and note improvements then back off
as indicated.

I notice some of the posts on here mention taking calcium.  That might
be part of why shark cartilage works so well.  You will be getting
more than 100 mg of calcium in each cap.

Cell salts might be helpful with your cyst, particularly Calcarea
Fluorica - 12X (6X strength if you can't get the 12X), 4 tabs 2 - 3
times a day away from food, coffee, smoking etc.  Calc Fluor is
slow-acting but it is considered a 'deep' remedy. So if you decide to
try it, do give it time to work.  There is a great book out there,
"The Healing Echo" by Vinton McCabe, available at Amazon that is just
fascinating.  It is similar to homeopathy.  I have used the cell salts
with some success over the last few months.  One thing I like about
them is.. they either work or they don't but they do no harm.
You have a great trip...  Lola  :)


On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Guyot Léna  wrote:
> Hi Lola,
> Your words are encouraging. I'm hoping both the ganglion cyst in my thumb
> and the remaining tendonitis in my calves will respond well to shark
> cartilage.  At the moment I've only got Solgar 750 mg. and we're about to be
> on the road, so anything I order won't be available to me until we return in
> a couple weeks. (Living in the boonies has its challenges.)
> What was the mg content of your Lane Labs capsules?
> I'm just trying to get an idea of how many of what I've presently got would
> perhaps help, as I don't want to wait until my return to tackle this.
> Thanks for your info and success story.
> Be well,
> Léna
> On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:00 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote:
> II had this problem (plantar fasciitis/tendonitis) about 10 - 15 yrs
> ago.  My family doctor was useless but he tried to help me. I had it
> for about two years and was in misery.  Using my foot first thing in
> the am was horrendously painful.  Couldn't even put weight on it most
> of the time.  Meanwhile,  I heard about shark cartilage and how
> anti-inflammatory it is and it was like a miracle.  It took about 2 -
> 4 wks to clear up completely but wow !!  I even made a cream/paste
> (with lanolin)  out of the shark cartilage to put on the botton of my
> foot in addition to taking 12 - 16 caps x day.  I would use only Lane
> Labs brand of shark cartilage.  It is a little pricey but, hopefully,
> you won't need to take it forever just a few weeks.  Another great
> generic healer is castor oil packs.  That works on so many things.
> Good Luck, Lola
>
> On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Trem  wrote:
>
> The lady that introduced me to them was a brit.  Orthotics are a very simple
>
> concept.  Basically an arch support with a heel cup made to fit the foot not
>
> under weight pressure.  When the weight is applied the heel doesn't spread
>
> out.
>
> Trem
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/13/2011 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
> Thanks for this Trem, I will look into this for him, but i will be
>
> surprised if I can get anything like it here in the UK!  dee
>
>
> On 13 Sep 2011, at 16:34, Trem wrote:
>
> My heels bothered me all my life and whenever I bought any shoes I would
>
> usually look for the ones with crepe soles.  I think they were called desert
>
> boots.  Whenever I went to the mall or shopping with my wife I always looked
>
> for the "Mens Sitting Chair" wherever we stopped.  And always walked on any
>
> carpet in stores if possible.
>
> One day I was trying some shoes on and the saleslady ss  I was
>
> uncomfortable.  As soon as I told her about the so

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[Jason R Eaton]

Hi Mike:

You've actually been quite personally insulting, and so I'm done with 
arguing.


You ignore ascertations with deflections, and are not communicating in good 
faith.


The last thing I'm going to say:

You've said:

" Doctors have  absolutely no clue about cs, and it is  not recognized by 
the FDA. So they simply cannot order anyone to use it or not."


...basically calling me a liar, which I do not appreciate.

Best of luck with your project.

Kind Regards,

Jason



From: "Mike Monett" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 20:06
Subject: Re: CS>spectrographs of CS



 "Jason R Eaton"  wrote:
>
 Your experience  would  mean more if you  had  some  basic chemistry
 knowledge to  tell the difference between junk science  and valuable
 information. You  cannot  tell  what  silver  hydroxide  will  do to
 tissues in  the  long term. You have no knowledge  or  experience to
 say. 



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Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[Mike Monett]

"Jason R Eaton"  wrote:
>
>Hi Renee:
>
>In theory, yes.  In practice, maintaining the purity of any signal is 
>problematic.  It's easy to both measure and maintain any energy signal from a 
>device through a chamber and into a test tube.  It's way beyond my technical 
>expertise to try and figure out how this could be done.
>
>Kind Regards,
>
>Jason

Jason,

I'll simplify things for you. The only radiation a substance can emit is
the thermal radiation from the temperature of the substance.

This is how the infrared thermometers that you stick in your ear work. They
are similar to the old exposure meters you used to use to take photographs,
when you had to set the aperture and speed. But these ones detect the
difference between the radiation absorbed by a thermocouple exposed to your
ear, and another identical thermocouple that is shielded from the thermal
energy.

The thermocouples are well understood. The real magic is to develop op amps
with a low enough offset voltage to measure the small differences, and run
them off battery power.

>From an electronic engineer's point of view, the real magic is the skill of
the designer who can package this into a small device and sell it for
peanuts. And still make it far more accurate than any mercury thermometer
on the market.

As far as channeling the energy, and all the other nice buzzwords involved
in 
most of these web scams, the less you know, the more it will cost you to
find out you have been taken.

Best Regards,

Mike Monett
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Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[Marshall]

On 9/13/2011 11:06 PM, Mike Monett wrote:

   "Jason R Eaton"  wrote:

   [...]

   >>  At some  point, the ions combine to form silver  hydroxide, which
   >>  is inert,  insoluble,  and has no  antibacterial  qualities. This
   >>  gets distributed deep inside your lungs, and could have  the same
   >>  effect as asbestos in harming the lungs.

   >  This is  one of the most ridiculous statements I've read  in quite
   >  awhile.

   >  As an  individual   with   over   ten   years  of  experience with
   >  nebulization, this  type of fear-mongering is  unbecoming  of true
   >  intelligence.

   [...]

   Your experience  would  mean more if you  had  some  basic chemistry
   knowledge to  tell the difference between junk science  and valuable
   information. You  cannot  tell  what  silver  hydroxide  will  do to
   tissues in  the  long term. You have no knowledge  or  experience to
   say.
I do have a chemistry background, and have studied the different forms 
of ionic silver extensively. Ionic silver is a combination of silver 
oxide and silver hydroxide.  They each have a solubility of 
approximately 13 ppm at room temperature, slightly higher at body 
temperature.  Ionic silver does not "turn" into silver hydroxide, it is 
that to start with.  If you start with either one in water, you will end 
up with a combination of the two after it dissolves.  The reaction is:


Ag2O + H2O <=> 2Ag(OH)2

Silver hydroxide does not exist in a non-ionic form. If you take silver 
hydroxide solution and let the water evaporate, what will remain will be 
silver oxide.

   The reason  asbestos  is so deadly is the white  blood  cells cannot
   digest them like they can other material they find in the body.
   They kill  pathogens by encasing them in vacules,  and administering
   H2O2 and other chemicals to kill the pathogen.
I am not sure who they is.  The lungs oxidize or reduce (organic) 
particles in the lungs with H2O2, forming something soluble which can 
then be absorbed into the lung tissue.

   However, by  itself, H2O2 has no effect on AgOH.


That is not true at all.  H2O2 plu Ag(OH)2 (Ag tends to have a valence 
of two, thus HO which has a valence of one must be doubled up), reacts 
with H2O2 quite readily.  But for Silver Hydroxide, it is not necessary 
since silver hydroxide has solubility of around 13 ppm anyway.  The 
reaction of hydrogen peroxide and silver hydroxide I have posted here a 
number of times is:


2Ag(OH) + H2O2 = 2Ag + 2H2O + O2 yielding a silver particle typically 
made up of two atoms of silver which is easily absorbed by the lung tissue.


But you also have the reverse reaction:

2Ag + H2O2 = 2AgO + H2O

These are the reactions that occur if you add a few drops of H2O2 to 
EIS, something many of us have been doing for years.


So the white blood

   cells cannot  get  rid of it. It stays around,  and  who  knows what
   irritation it causes to the tissue? You certainly don't know.
Before reacting with any H2O2 it is soluble, so why would it stay 
around?  Even if it did react with H2O2, colloidal silver is easily 
absorbed into tissues, that is how taking it subliminally works.

   So I would not be so confident as you seem to be.

   >>  The main  benefit  from nebulizing is  the  sublingual absorption
   >>  that occurs as the cs fog is deposited on the mucous membranes.
That as well as getting to any pathogens in the lungs directly, whereas 
they might not be exposed to CS that is simply in the blood.


Marshall


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Re: CS>MiniCell Design Considerations

[Mike Monett]

  Hi Renee,

  "gaiac...@gmail.com"  wrote:

  > Mike, you do amaze me.

  > You are  right--it's  a shame the store  owners  can't  see beyond
  > their ledger.

  > There are so many appliances thrown out that have simple fixes.

  > For a  person with a wage it's almost the same price to buy  a new
  > one as  to get a repair man to fix it, so that's why  there's such
  > great waste in this country

  Renee, you  really have hit my hurt button. Most of the  time, there
  is very  little  wrong with these appliances. The door  switch  on a
  dryer may be worn out. It is made of plastic. A new one may be worth
  10 cents, and cost 10 dollars at the appliance store. It may  take 5
  or 10 minutes to replace.

  But most of the used dryers I find waiting for disposal have nothing
  wrong except  the  door switch has  failed.  The  appliance salesman
  could fix it while you had a cup of coffee.

  Or it could be the drive belt has failed. This might take 15 minutes
  to fix if you were really slow about taking the dryer apart.

  But then he would lose the commission, and the store would be  out a
  sale.

  So for  a  10 cent part, a family has to spend  $500  or  a thousand
  dollars, and  perhaps go into debt because the kids diapers  need to
  be cleaned. They have no choice in the matter.

  The same thing happens with microwave ovens. There is a 10  amp fuse
  inside that  takes  all the brunt of starting  the  magnetron. After
  some years, the fuse simply gives up and quits. This is well known.

  But the microwave doesn't work anymore. The salesman could fix it in
  less than ten minutes, and send the happy customers home with  a new
  fuse. But  he  won't. He will convince the victim  the  appliance is
  beynd repair,  and  can only go to the dump. Instead,  they  go home
  with a new $400 microwave and another load of debt.

  My heart  cries  whenever I see some poor family  saddled  with debt
  they do not need, for a problem that is trivial to fix.

  > I had read where many restaurants in the larger cities would allow
  > the homeless to take food out from the back of their ktichens.

  > This was  food  that would be wasted as people  in  the restaurant
  > didn't finish it.

  LOL! I used to live on that food! It was the only way I could survive

  > Otherwise it  was perfectly good food. But--the law  said  "oh no,
  > you can't  do  that, someone might get sick. You  MUST  throw that
  > food away"  So the restaurant owners got together to figure  out a
  > way around  this. What they came up with was a  great idea--they'd
  > put the  food  into take out containers,  and  then  carefully set
  > these sealed  containers  ON TOP of the trash in  the  bins. Then,
  > they weren't redistributing "used food', simply throwing out their
  > trash!

  I hit  the  restaurents just before they closed. They  would  let me
  stand at the counter and wolf down whatever I could before  they had
  to close. Then they would throw the rest away.

  > But the  waste  is incredible. Years ago my  Mother  took  a short
  > stint in the grade school cafeteria, just to have something to do.

  > She said  she felt really bad one day as this little  boy  came up
  > and asked  if  there  were any extra hot dogs  he  could  have, as
  > that's what was served that day, because he was still  hungry. The
  > "fresh" dogs were all gone, but there were some untouched  ones on
  > a couple plates so she gave him those.

  > She was  pulled aside later and told never to do that  again, that
  > it broke the law. She said--but he was hungry! They said--too bad.

  > Nothing gets taken off one plate to be put on another plate!

  > And I  had 3 dogs so one day Mom asked them if she could  bring me
  > home all that wasted scrap food that was scraped from  hundreds of
  > luncheon plates.

  > The in  charge  person said she could have it that  one  time, but
  > never again because "it's the law--no food is to leave this unless
  > it's as  garbage, in the garbage can, and can't even  be  eaten as
  > pet food"!!

  > Simply unbelievable.

  > But it's heart warming to hear of folks like yourself, who  go out
  > of their way to help others in need, without expecting any reward.

  The food  problem  is perhaps a bit more complicated.  There  may be
  some parts that go bad, such as fish or eggs. Then the  person could
  die from a salmonella infection. So the health departments  may have
  no real choice but to ensure the food is disposed of properly.

  In my case, I usually went after pizza. Pepperoni never goes bad:)

  > Thank you.

  >Samala,
  >Renee

  Best Regards,

  Mike Monett
  SilverCell


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Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[Mike Monett]

  "Jason R Eaton"  wrote:

  [...]

  >> At some  point, the ions combine to form silver  hydroxide, which
  >> is inert,  insoluble,  and has no  antibacterial  qualities. This
  >> gets distributed deep inside your lungs, and could have  the same
  >> effect as asbestos in harming the lungs.

  > This is  one of the most ridiculous statements I've read  in quite
  > awhile.

  > As an  individual   with   over   ten   years  of  experience with
  > nebulization, this  type of fear-mongering is  unbecoming  of true
  > intelligence.

  [...]

  Your experience  would  mean more if you  had  some  basic chemistry
  knowledge to  tell the difference between junk science  and valuable
  information. You  cannot  tell  what  silver  hydroxide  will  do to
  tissues in  the  long term. You have no knowledge  or  experience to
  say.

  The reason  asbestos  is so deadly is the white  blood  cells cannot
  digest them like they can other material they find in the body.

  They kill  pathogens by encasing them in vacules,  and administering
  H2O2 and other chemicals to kill the pathogen.

  However, by  itself, H2O2 has no effect on AgOH. So the  white blood
  cells cannot  get  rid of it. It stays around,  and  who  knows what
  irritation it causes to the tissue? You certainly don't know.

  So I would not be so confident as you seem to be.

  >> The main  benefit  from nebulizing is  the  sublingual absorption
  >> that occurs as the cs fog is deposited on the mucous membranes.

  > What I  like  about  sublingual   adsorption  is  the  activity of
  > metalloproteins in  the  adsorption   process.  This  is certainly
  > invaluable.

  > That sublingual  adsorption  is  even  close  to  as  effective as
  > nebulization   defies   the   practical   experience   many,  many
  > individuals, including a few I know very personally who  would now
  > be dead if they had continued doing it.

  I believe  you were working with 10 ppm or so. That is of no  use in
  sublingual absorption.

  As I  have  pointed out, you can drink weak cs all day  long  and it
  may have little or no effect.

  But when  you increase the ion concentration to 20 uS, all  it takes
  is one mouthful for 12 minutes to kill the most virulent viruses.

  I think  it  would  be  extremely important  to  find  out  why this
  happens.

  > Under their  doctors strict orders, they were only  allowed  to do
  > sublingual adsorption. However, once the individual spent the last
  > $30,000 of  the house they sold for medical bills,  and  hence ran
  > out of  money, the doctor declined to offer further  services. The
  > individual then elected to follow more prudent guidance.

  That is false.

  Doctors have  absolutely no clue about cs, and it is  not recognized
  by the FDA. So they simply cannot order anyone to use it or not.

  Again, that has nothing to do with the topic. SilverCell is far more
  concentrated than anything you have ever come across.

  As I have documented, swallowing less concentrated cs has  no effect
  on the pathogens we were experiencing.

  Finding a way to make much stronger cs solved the problem.

  Now, instead  of attacking me and claiming perfect knowledge  of all
  things, maybe we should work together and find out  why concentrated
  silver ions  works  so  well in the body, and  why  weak  silver ion
  solutions have little or no effect.

  > Sublingual adsorption  is  fantastic, but  I  would  strongly urge
  > individuals to  do extensive personal investigation  and research,
  > and not rely on **anyone's** opinions. I assure you, experimenting
  > with EIS via a nebulizer is not a dangerous proposition. Draw your
  > own conclusions.

  I suggest upgrading the generator to SilverCell performance. Then do
  your evaluation.

  >~Jason

  Mike Monett
  SilverCell


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CS>nebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate?

[David AuBuchon]

Can someone do nebulized silver and peroxide on alternating days?  I have an
elderly person with lung cancer, diabetes, and mild parkinsons.  He is
already doing nebulized peroxide.  I want to give him nebulized silver 100
(100ppm potassium silver citrate).

No chemical reactions between residual silver and peroxide going to cause a
problem, don't you think?

~David

CS>CS/EIS Nebulizing

[Harold]

I have successfully nebulized CS/EIS with a Solaray Ultrasonic Cool Mist 
Humidifier.Many years ago I would come down with Bronchial Pneumonia.The usual 
treatment was 10 days of ABX.This was repeated often every fall without fail; 
until I got said Humidifier and used CS/EIS.Never had to take ABX again,and 
then I only had to use the Humidifier a few times, and none for a few years now.
 AND ,  I’ M STILL ALIVE AND KICKING!!
Harold

CS>Re: CSspectrographs of CS

[Mike Monett]

  Re: CSspectrographs of CS

  >> I am astonished to find anyone can get down to 0.3uS. The  best I
  >> have seen is 0.5uS, and that is from the local Walmart.

  > I use  high powered rare earth magnets in the  double distillation
  > process.

  How does  that  work. There are no ions  in  distillation, therefore
  nothing for the magnets to exert a force against.

  I see  no need for magnets. Simple double or triple  distillation is
  all that is needed to reach those levels.

  But they  are simply not needed in a well-designed cs  process, like
  the SilverCell process.

  >> However, none  of us use this anymore. For LVDC,the thing  we are
  >> worried about  is  CO2,  which  forms  carbonic  acid.  This will
  >> quickly raise your 0.3uS to 1.5uS or so.

  > Having an  actual  closed  production system  takes  care  of this
  > problem, although again not very necessary for a simple generator.

  A closed system will have no effect on the electrolysis reactions at
  the anode  and cathode. They are under water and have  no connection
  with the properties above the surface of the water.

  >> Silver does  not  oxidize.  Search google  for  "silver  does not
  >> oxidize", and you will get over 8,000 hits. Here are some:

  > Here we'll have to agree to disagree for the moment. The  point is
  > rather mute anyway.

  > For example:

  > "The equilibrium  electrode potential of silver is +0.799  V. This
  > value is only 0.01 V more negative than the  equilibrium potential
  > of an oxygen electrode in natural environments. Then by definition
  > silver is  not regarded as a noble metal, because it can  still be
  > thermodynamically oxidised   by   atmospheric   oxygen   at normal
  > temperatures.

  > At standard temperatures and pressures (STP),  the thermodynamical
  > equilibrium of

  > 4 Ag + O2 - 2 AgO

  -from the ESA Journal, 1989

  Is this your equation, 4 Ag + O2 --> 2 AgO ?

  You need  to  get  a   different  reference.  That  equation  is not
  balanced. I  really  need  to  teach you  a  small  amount  of basic
  chemistry. I plan on doing that in my Yahoo forum.

  Also, silver oxide is Ag2O, not AgO

  > I can also show you some journal publications with TEM's of silver
  > oxide configurations which must have occured with  some relatively
  > simple reactions.

  Frank debunked TEM's long ago. How about 2001?
  
  CS>the last on TEM images

  Frank Key
  Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:38:57 -0800

  TEM observation of non-ionic solutions are widely accepted. However,
  when highly ionic solutions are the subject of observation, compound
  formation so alters the observation that the results are meaningless
  (in my  opinion).  I have explained why the  formation  of compounds
  during the sample preparation becomes significant.

  My explanations  and rational are clearly stated on my  web  site in
  the FAQ  and  Definition of Terms as they have  been  in  these list
  postings.

  Clearly you reject this because of your vested interest in your TEM.

  I feel  that  further discussion on this subject is  beating  a dead
  horse. Let  the  readers who are interested weigh  the  evidence and
  decide for them selves.

  frank key

  http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list(at)eskimo.com/msg35685.html
  
  In this  case, he is absolutely correct. The particles that  show up
  in TEM  images are created when the solution is dried.  They  do not
  exist in the original solution.

  > I've never  questioned  my common understanding  of  the oxidation
  > process involving silver, as I use ozone and activated oxygen with
  > silver all  of  the  time. I can  pretty  much  prove  by physical
  > evidence some very simple reactions.

  There is  nothing  you can do to the atmosphere  above  the solution
  that will affect the reactions in the Nernst Diffusion layer next to
  the electrodes.  They are under water and  completely  isolated, the
  same as  a  submarine  is  not affected  by  hurricanes  when  it is
  submerged.

  > That said,  I'll take a look your alternate viewpoint  when  I get
  > the chance...  I  always  question everything,  and  I  love being
  > proved wrong.

  I have no interest or value in proving anyone wrong. What I  seek is
  usable, workable  solutions  that can take me to  the  next  step in
  understanding what is going on in a process.

  > there's a  big  thrill   in   improving   the  accuracy  and depth
  > perception of knowledge.

  > However, I  don't see that the point is that relative  to anything
  > regarding a basic generator, anyway.

  In these things, every detail counts. A single error can  prove that
  a very elegant theory is completely wrong.

  So we must pay attention to every detail and prove it is correct.

  Otherwise we  start to get sloppy, like some members of  this forum,
  and can only pray that everyth

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]

[gaiac...@gmail.com]

Hey Jason.  Well, it seems that on another list they've been having good
results using a red pointing laser shown through a glass tube containing the
substance, onto the body.  This imparts the information of the substance
INTO the body.  

All very impressive.  If we could get a true grasp on frequencies we'd all
be able to do without having to ingest substances, but as you say--it's very
tricky.  Now it depends on the practitioner--how good he/she is.  Still, it
s a fascinating subject.

Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
 
In theory, yes.  In practice, maintaining the purity of any signal is
problematic.  It's easy to both measure and maintain any energy signal from
a device through a chamber and into a test tube.  It's way beyond my
technical expertise to try and figure out how this could be done.
 

RE: CS>Desulfurizing [GishPuppy]

[Neville Munn]

Thanks for that Mike.
 
I take your point of course, and rest assured, I do not use rainwater normally, 
only when I consider it more beneficial or practical to do so for a given 
*temporary* health related issue.
 
You may be right regarding the contamination and acids removing the ions out of 
solution, and I would not consider suggesting you're wrong, but I believe there 
is more work to be done regarding what actually occurs when in the bloodstream? 
 Popular opinion/press would have everyone believe that upon consumption of a 
given silver solution, acids etc within the blood/body immediately and rapidly 
form compounds which supposedly impacts on the efficacy.
 
Praps you could give me your considered opinion regarding ammonia and peroxide, 
and whatever else makes up the constituents of the fluids and blood which exist 
within the human body?  And what effect, if any, these may have on a high ionic 
silver solution, or a more particulate solution when ingested?  I understand 
chemistry has some dictates, but what chemistry dictate is there within the 
body/blood?  How much of the ionic component is lost?  How much of the particle 
content is rendered ineffective or is broken down again when ingested?  Correct 
me if I am wrong, but particles are clusters of ions are they not?  If so, if 
the particle content is broken down within the body/blood again, does that 
particle return to a single atom particle?
 
I'd welcome some further comment on this.
 
Yes, I'm just a mug punter, but I would hope I'm not the only one out here, and 
am interested to hear your considered opinion.
 
P.S. Regarding the 'friendly flora', I've consumed and administered on occasion 
500ml plus every day for several days and I, nor the person I administered it 
to, have ever experienced any affects on that flora.  Perhaps it depends on 
what solution is ingested?  Shop bought, or home produced?  LVDC or HVAC 
produced? High ion content as opposed to high particle content?  Plus the many 
other product variations available?
 
N.
 

> 
> Please do not use rainwater. It has all kinds of contamination and
> acids that will take the silver ions out of solution.
> 
> You need to learn to use the Salt Test to verify the ion content.
> 
> As far as sublingual absorption with the SilverCell process, you can
> do this as often as you wish. It will not kill the friendly bacteria
> in the colon since it is not ingested, but instead is expelled after
> 12 minutes.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mike Monett
> SilverCell
> 

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]

[Jason R Eaton]

Hi Renee:

In theory, yes.  In practice, maintaining the purity of any signal is 
problematic.  It's easy to both measure and maintain any energy signal from a 
device through a chamber and into a test tube.  It's way beyond my technical 
expertise to try and figure out how this could be done.

Kind Regards,

Jason



- Original Message - 
  From: gaiac...@gmail.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 18:27
  Subject: Re: CS>spectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]


Jason wrote:
Even small concentrations of silver ions contain the electromagetic
Information of silver.  I'm not sure anyone understands from a practical
Level how oligodynamics work biologically.  As far as anyone really 
knows,
The effect could simply be a catylst.



Jason, does this mean if a person could get the figures for the 
frequency of the silver that this would be as good as the electromagnetic 
information from the silver--or do you think it's still necessary to have 
actual, physical ions present?

Samala,
Renee 
  
   

CS>Lyme disease

[Rodney Samuelson]

Trem,

 

I know you took CS for a year for Lyme.  At what month did you feel better?

 

How much CS did you drink per day?

 

Please call me at 860-881-3734

 

rod

Re: CS>MiniCell Design Considerations [GishPuppy]

[gaiac...@gmail.com]

Mike, you do amaze me.  

You are right--it's a shame the store owners can't see beyond their ledger. 
There are so many appliances thrown out that have simple fixes.  For a
person with a wage it's almost the same price to buy a new one as to get a
repair man to fix it, so that's why there's such great waste in this country


I had read where many restaurants in the larger cities would allow the
homeless to take food out from the back of their ktichens.  This was food
that would be wasted as people in the restaurant didn't finish it. 
Otherwise it was perfectly good food.  But--the law said "oh no, you can't
do that, someone might get sick.  You MUST throw that food away"   So the
restaurant owners got together to figure out a way around this.  What they
came up with was a great idea--they'd put the food into take out containers,
and then carefully set these sealed containers ON TOP of the trash in the
bins.  Then, they weren't redistributing 'used food', simply throwing out
their trash!  

But the waste is incredible.  Years ago my Mother took a short stint in the
grade school cafeteria, just to have something to do.  She said she felt
really bad one day as this little boy came up and asked if there were any
extra hot dogs he could have, as that's what was served that day, because he
was still hungry.  The 'fresh' dogs were all gone, but there were some
untouched ones on a couple plates so she gave him those.

She was pulled aside later and told never to do that again, that it broke
the law.  She said--but he was hungry!  They said--too bad.  Nothing gets
taken off one plate to be put on another plate!

And I had 3 dogs so one day Mom asked them if she could bring me home all
that wasted scrap food that was scraped from hundreds of luncheon plates. 
The in charge person said she could have it that one time, but never again
because 'it's the law--no food is to leave this unless it's as garbage, in
the garbage can, and can't even be eaten as pet food"!!   

Simply unbelievable.

But it's heart warming to hear of folks like yourself, who go out of their
way to help others in need, without expecting any reward.

Thank you.

Samala,
Renee

 
 
 
 
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Re: CS>spectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]

[gaiac...@gmail.com]

Jason wrote:
Even small concentrations of silver ions contain the electromagetic
Information of silver.  I'm not sure anyone understands from a practical
Level how oligodynamics work biologically.  As far as anyone really knows,
The effect could simply be a catylst.



Jason, does this mean if a person could get the figures for the frequency of
the silver that this would be as good as the electromagnetic information
from the silver--or do you think it's still necessary to have actual,
physical ions present?

Samala,
Renee

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Thanks, Mike.  This is all really interesting. 

Through Internet correspondence I know  a researcher named Dr. Steven E. Jones, 
formerly a university physics professor.  (He lost his employment due to his 
"controversial" research pertaining to the physics and chemistry  of 11 
September, 2001.)   Dr. Jones  has many interests, one of which is a low-cost 
solar stove he developed with his university students.   Here's one link.  
There are others: 

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Steven_E._Jones_Solar_Funnel_for_Cooking

I studied his design once,  and it seemed to me that even people in poor 
countries could make these at minimal cost.   I mentioned the idea of using the 
stove as a still for making distilled water for silver generators.   (I believe 
his former university has several researchers working in that area.) 

These stoves could certainly be shared by many members of a community, given 
the low water requirements of your design.   Dr. Jone's design is all public 
domain, as is other recent work on new electronic circuits that reportedly 
drain very, very little  energy from batteries -- a claim that is certain to be 
challenged, and the basis of which he admittedly does NOT understand.   
Everything about the circuit is  disclosed on one of his websites -- I think 
he's on YouTube also -- for the same reasons you're doing public disclosure -- 
to prevent IP problems and keep the technology available to everyone. 

There are a number of other solar stoves, of course, but Jone's looks really 
simple and fairly safe.  (I saw a video of a mirror-based solar concentrator 
built by some young guy who was cutting thick boards in half with it.  That 
could boil water fast, but also take off body parts!)  

Thanks again for your work.  Hope this helps. 


   






On 2011/09/14, at 10:06, Mike Monett wrote:

>  "Jonathan B. Britten"  wrote:
> 
>> Any success in creating a very simple, very low-cost  system would
>> be of great value worldwide, especially if the current  high price
>> of sliver  (probably speculative) passes away and  the  metal goes
>> back to under ten dollars per ounce.
> 
>> SOTA Instruments once sold a relatively  low-cost pulser/generator
>> but discontinued  it  due   to   some   problems  with  the sealed
>> electronic enclosure.  Even  this  device  was  about  50 dollars,
>> pricing it  out of the market of people who need it most,  some of
>> whom live in a dollar or two per day.
> 
>> Mike's idea  of  putting   everything   in  the  public  domain is
>> wonderful, because  it  would   enable  volunteer  groups  in many
>> countries to  assemble  inexpensive units to sell  at  costs local
>> people in  many countries could handle. Because many  are  in "the
>> global south," as they say, a cheap solar chip could supplement or
>> replace the 9V battery. This has great potential.
> 
>> Some researchers have made inexpensive "solar still"  designs, and
>> if links to these were published along with the other information,
>> it would be helpful.
> 
>  Hi Jonathan,
> 
>  Good to hear from you again!
> 
>  One significant  advantage  of the SilverCell process is  it  uses a
>  minimum of  the consumables. The silver electrodes are  short length
>  of 12 ga 0.999 fine silver, and they will last a long time.
> 
>  Due to  the use of sublingual absorption, only a small amount  of cs
>  is used for each dose. Instead of 250ml, only about 50 ml is used.
> 
>  The cs is not ingested, but is expelled after about 12 minutes.
> 
>  So the  requirement  for distilled water is only 20%  of  the amount
>  needed in conventional cs systems.
> 
>  The current  requirement  is  very low. I calculate  that  a  9 Volt
>  alkaline should  last for about 110 brews of 400ml each.  This works
>  out to  around 2 years for one person, and it breaks down to  a very
>  small cost per dose.
> 
>  Also, the  SilverCell can use discarded batteries that are  too weak
>  to drive boom boxes. There is a plentiful supply of these,  so there
>  should be no problem getting batteries to make cs.
> 
>  The main problem will be getting good quality distilled water.
> 
>  Perhaps we  could  develop a solar still that might  deliver  a high
>  enough quality to work.
> 
>  After all, what does a distiller need? Heat.
> 
>  What does the sun give?
> 
>  Heat.
> 
>  Maybe a  simple  mirror to focus the energy, and  some  low leaching
>  materials to conduct the water and vapor as required.
> 
>  If you  have  any information on people who  may  have  already done
>  this, please let me know.
> 
>  Best Regards,
> 
>  Mike Monett
>  SilverCell
> 
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Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[Jason R Eaton]

Greetings, all:



 Hi David,

 I wrote  an  article for the Lyme Strategies called  "Silver  In the
 Blood". In it I tried to show the ion concentration in the  blood is
 far too low to have any effect on pathogens, and the main instrument
 in healing is the immune system.

 I will be expanding on this topic in the SilverCell forum,  so there
 will be plenty of new information to work with.

 In the  meantime,  I  need   to   alert  you  to  the  problems with
 nebulizers. As  a  water droplet shrinks, the  silver  and hydroxide
 ions are  forced closer together. And the smaller  the  droplet, the
 faster it shrinks.

 At some  point, the ions combine to form silver hydroxide,  which is
 inert, insoluble,  and  has no  antibacterial  qualities.  This gets
 distributed deep  inside your lungs, and could have the  same effect
 as asbestos in harming the lungs.


This is one of the most ridiculous statements I've read in quite awhile.

As an individual with over ten years of experience with nebulization, this 
type of fear-mongering is unbecoming of true intelligence.


I can introduce you to individuals with terminal infectous conditions of the 
blood, lungs and organs who used CS nebulization to effect a permanent 
cure it's effective with both humans and animals.


Asbestos is carcinogenic, and the particle characteristics prevent it from 
being removed from lung tissue.  I can also introduce you to individuals who 
have breathed in so much silver in an industrialized setting, that their 
whole upper body turned black.The lungs, however, are in perfect shape 
(after twenty some years).


Furthermore, studies have been done demonstrating that silver accumulation 
in lung tissue is not present as long as the silver particle is less than 15 
nanometers in diameter.


People with massive silver exposure in lung tissues don't even develop 
conditions similiar to silicosis, let alone asbestos.


Silver is not as effective with Lyme disease as some would hope, and it's 
completely due to concentration levels.  Here is a quote from a Lyme 
sufferer:


"There can also be some unintended consequences: While on IV Colloidal 
Silver, after my initial herxing, I started feeling better...until one day, 
I got slammed with Babesia symptoms. Apparently, the artemisinin I'd been on 
the year before, which had reduced my Babesia microti down to 
"non-infective" levels, did not eradicate it. Some other organism or two or 
three were helping my body keep down the Babesia population left after I 
went off the artemisin, organisms that were killed off by the silver, 
resulting in a major Babesia population. Fortunately, my physician had just 
returned from a Lyme conferenced, wherein he learned that Babesia is far 
more prevalent in the Lyme patient population (40% or more), and is far more 
difficult to get rid of, has a cyst form requiring the addition of a third 
antibiotic, and the tests are, like tests for Borrelia burgdorferi, 
returning high rates of false negatives because acute illness happens at 
ratios far less than the test sensitivity levels. [Note that there are tests 
for only two of the 13 known Babesia species, so people infected with the 
other 11 species will never test positive, no matter how sick they are.)"


Lyme is more complicated than just saying higher concentration of silver 
will eradicate it.  It's one of those infections that requires a great deal 
of knowledge and concerted effort to address, especially in advanced stages.


I doubt very seriously that silver would have any impact on the cystic stage 
of Lyme, whicih is why it may be a good aid, but not a primary treatment 
modality.  As a friend recently reminded me, though, if all you have is a 
hammer, everything looks like a nail!


I don't often like to comment on Lyme disease, because that one should 
really be handled by people specializing in it with a medical background as 
well as a natural/alternative background.  However, because there is so much 
confusion, bad information, and down right imaginative suppositions going 
around, a Lyme sufferer really needs to take a multi-pronged approach to the 
whole problem.


Regardless of how one decides to use silver in a protocol, spirochetes 
travel to tissues and areas in the body that it is not likely silver will 
have a great impact on.  However, in some of its active stages, and as it 
operates in the active metabolism, silver use can greatly help knock the 
pathogen counts down, which obviously helps the immune system.  Titration is 
one of the biggest issues; bioactive silver in any form, and by any 
philosphy, doesn't have a long activity life in a biological system (like 
the human body).  At extremely low concentrations, silver only inhibits 
spirochetes' growth cycle.


There are therapies far more effective at dealing with the cystic stage of 
lyme and biofilm... but they are not that easy to use by someone without 
experience (which is why a good alt med practitioner spe

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]

[Mike Monett]

  "Jonathan B. Britten"  wrote:

  > Any success in creating a very simple, very low-cost  system would
  > be of great value worldwide, especially if the current  high price
  > of sliver  (probably speculative) passes away and  the  metal goes
  > back to under ten dollars per ounce.

  > SOTA Instruments once sold a relatively  low-cost pulser/generator
  > but discontinued  it  due   to   some   problems  with  the sealed
  > electronic enclosure.  Even  this  device  was  about  50 dollars,
  > pricing it  out of the market of people who need it most,  some of
  > whom live in a dollar or two per day.

  > Mike's idea  of  putting   everything   in  the  public  domain is
  > wonderful, because  it  would   enable  volunteer  groups  in many
  > countries to  assemble  inexpensive units to sell  at  costs local
  > people in  many countries could handle. Because many  are  in "the
  > global south," as they say, a cheap solar chip could supplement or
  > replace the 9V battery. This has great potential.

  > Some researchers have made inexpensive "solar still"  designs, and
  > if links to these were published along with the other information,
  > it would be helpful.

  Hi Jonathan,

  Good to hear from you again!

  One significant  advantage  of the SilverCell process is  it  uses a
  minimum of  the consumables. The silver electrodes are  short length
  of 12 ga 0.999 fine silver, and they will last a long time.

  Due to  the use of sublingual absorption, only a small amount  of cs
  is used for each dose. Instead of 250ml, only about 50 ml is used.

  The cs is not ingested, but is expelled after about 12 minutes.

  So the  requirement  for distilled water is only 20%  of  the amount
  needed in conventional cs systems.

  The current  requirement  is  very low. I calculate  that  a  9 Volt
  alkaline should  last for about 110 brews of 400ml each.  This works
  out to  around 2 years for one person, and it breaks down to  a very
  small cost per dose.

  Also, the  SilverCell can use discarded batteries that are  too weak
  to drive boom boxes. There is a plentiful supply of these,  so there
  should be no problem getting batteries to make cs.

  The main problem will be getting good quality distilled water.

  Perhaps we  could  develop a solar still that might  deliver  a high
  enough quality to work.

  After all, what does a distiller need? Heat.

  What does the sun give?

  Heat.

  Maybe a  simple  mirror to focus the energy, and  some  low leaching
  materials to conduct the water and vapor as required.

  If you  have  any information on people who  may  have  already done
  this, please let me know.

  Best Regards,

  Mike Monett
  SilverCell


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Re: CS>Desulfurizing

[Mike Monett]

  Asif Nathekar  wrote:

  > Hi Mike,  Just to clarify you mentioned that to  clean  the silver
  > electrodes, use  the voltage from the generator and  the aluminium
  > strip should be the anode or positive and the silver should  be on
  > the cathode or negative.

  > If I  have understood this won't that release  the  aluminium from
  > the strip? Thanks.

  > Excuse me  if  the question shows my lack of  knowledge.  I  am an
  > electronics hobbyist not big on chemistry!.

  Hi Asif,

  You ask  a  very good question. I definitely want to  invite  you to
  join the SilverCell forum soon when it is ready.

  You can  use  just  about any voltage  or  current  source  you have
  available, for example, a simple 9 volt battery works fine. Unlike a
  3 nines,  the Desulfurizing process is self-limiting  and  won't run
  away on you.

  The aluminum foil is the positive electrode or anode, and  both your
  silver electrodes connect to the negative terminal or cathode.

  Your question  about  aluminum ions is extremely astute.  I  did not
  expect anyone would ask that.

  The reactions at the cathode are simple and easy to describe. I will
  do that in the web version of this paper.

  The reactions  at  the anode are  completely  different.  They could
  drive a saint to sin.

  The literature  is very confused about what happens at the  anode. I
  find most  of the available equations are incorrect, so I  have come
  up with my own explanation that fits the available facts.

  Unlike silver,  copper,  zinc, or steel,  aluminum  will  not donate
  aluminum ions  to  the solution. It is  so  reactive  it immediately
  forms aluminum oxide, which is insoluble.

  So I  believe all the reactions at the aluminum anode are as  if the
  aluminum were  completely  inert. Then the main  things  that happen
  involve the  hydrogen  ions that are released as  a  product  of the
  liberation of  oxygen at the anode. I will  formalize  the equations
  and present them in the web version of the paper.

  Very Good question!

  Thanks,

  Mike Monett
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Re: CS>spectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Any success in creating a very  simple, very low-cost system would be of great 
value worldwide, especially if the current high price of sliver (probably 
speculative) passes away and the metal goes back to under ten dollars per 
ounce.   

SOTA Instruments once sold a relatively low-cost pulser/generator  but 
discontinued it due to some problems with the sealed electronic enclosure.   
Even this device was about 50 dollars, pricing it out of the market of people 
who need it most, some of whom live in a dollar or two per day.   

Mike's idea of putting everything in the public domain is wonderful, because it 
would enable volunteer groups in many countries to assemble inexpensive units 
to sell at costs local people in many countries could handle.   Because many 
are in "the global south," as they say,  a cheap solar chip could supplement or 
replace the 9V battery.   This has great potential.  

Some researchers have made inexpensive "solar still" designs, and if links to 
these were published along with the other information, it would be helpful.



On 2011/09/14, at 8:53, Jason R Eaton wrote:

> Hi Mike:
> 
>> I am  astonished  to find anyone can get down to 0.3uS.  The  best I
>> have seen is 0.5uS, and that is from the local Walmart.
> 
> I use high powered rare earth magnets in the double distillation process.
> 
>> However, such  extreme purity is simply not desirable or  needed for
>> the typical single mom.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
>> However, none  of  us use this anymore. For  LVDC,the  thing  we are
>> worried about  is CO2, which forms carbonic acid. This  will quickly
>> raise your 0.3uS to 1.5uS or so.
> 
> Having an actual closed production system takes care of this problem, 
> although again not very necessary for a simple generator.
> 
>> Silver does  not  oxidize.   Search   google  for  "silver  does not
>> oxidize", and you will get over 8,000 hits. Here are some:
> 
> Here we'll have to agree to disagree for the moment.  The point is rather 
> mute anyway.
> 
> For example:
> 
> "The equilibrium electrode potential of silver is +0.799 V. This value is 
> only 0.01 V
> more negative than the equilibrium potential of an oxygen electrode in natural
> environments. Then by definition silver is not regarded as a noble metal, 
> because it
> can still be thermodynamically oxidised by atmospheric oxygen at normal 
> temperatures.
> At standard temperatures and pressures (STP), the thermodynamical equilibrium
> of 4 Ag + O2 -- 2 AgO"
> 
> -from the ESA Journal, 1989
> 
> I can also show you some journal publications with TEM's of silver oxide 
> configurations which must have occured with some relatively simple reactions.
> 
> I've never questioned my common understanding of the oxidation process 
> involving silver, as I use ozone and activated oxygen with silver all of the 
> time.  I can pretty much prove by physical evidence some very simple 
> reactions.
> 
> That said, I'll take a look your alternate viewpoint when I get the chance... 
>  I always question everything, and I love being proved wrong... there's a big 
> thrill in improving the accuracy and depth perception of knowledge.
> 
> However, I don't see that the point is that relative to anything regarding a 
> basic generator, anyway.
> 
>> The electrode  configuration does affect the performance. I  hope to
>> clarify this soon when I get the SilverCell web page up and running.
> 
> That might be one of your bigger issues.  If people purchase standard silver 
> electrodes from somewhere like ccsilver.com , they may not be able to bend 
> them into shape successfully without "tearing them up" with pliars or some 
> such tool.
> 
>> > Also, silver particles are not converted into silver chloride.
> 
> I don't believe that I stated that they were.  Silver ions are leached off by 
> acids, whereby they are then converted into compounds ( in reference to Dr. 
> Bart Flick's work).
> 
>> Frank is dead wrong in this. Ions kill pathogens in vitro.
>> 
>> Particles do not.
> 
> As I stated in an earlier email, work done at UCLA demonstrated conclusively 
> that only the electromagnetic information is required to kill pathogens.  I 
> noted that particles in the colloidal spectrum have unique properties not 
> shared by simple ion arrangements.  Metallic silver can very easily survive 
> the digestive tract.  In fact, you may not be aware fo this, but some 
> colloidal-size particles exhibit enzyme-like activities in the body.
> 
> However, again, I don't see this as very important to the work at hand.  I 
> wholeheartedly agree that Frank is very wrong in some of his suppositions.
> 
>> Internally, something completely different happens.  With sublingual
>> absorption, the amount of silver in the blood is far to low  to have
>> any effect  on  pathogens. We need to study this  further,  since it
>> definitely involves the human immune system
> 
> Even small concentrations of silver ions contain the electromagetic 
> information of silver.  

Re: CS>heel spurs

[Guyot Léna]

Hi Lola,
Your words are encouraging. I'm hoping both the ganglion cyst in my  
thumb and the remaining tendonitis in my calves will respond well to  
shark cartilage.  At the moment I've only got Solgar 750 mg. and we're  
about to be on the road, so anything I order won't be available to me  
until we return in a couple weeks. (Living in the boonies has its  
challenges.)

What was the mg content of your Lane Labs capsules?
I'm just trying to get an idea of how many of what I've presently got  
would perhaps help, as I don't want to wait until my return to tackle  
this.

Thanks for your info and success story.
Be well,
Léna
On Sep 13, 2011, at 7:00 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net wrote:

II had this problem (plantar fasciitis/tendonitis) about 10 - 15 yrs
ago.  My family doctor was useless but he tried to help me. I had it
for about two years and was in misery.  Using my foot first thing in
the am was horrendously painful.  Couldn't even put weight on it most
of the time.  Meanwhile,  I heard about shark cartilage and how
anti-inflammatory it is and it was like a miracle.  It took about 2 -
4 wks to clear up completely but wow !!  I even made a cream/paste
(with lanolin)  out of the shark cartilage to put on the botton of my
foot in addition to taking 12 - 16 caps x day.  I would use only Lane
Labs brand of shark cartilage.  It is a little pricey but, hopefully,
you won't need to take it forever just a few weeks.  Another great
generic healer is castor oil packs.  That works on so many things.
Good Luck, Lola

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Trem  wrote:
The lady that introduced me to them was a brit.  Orthotics are a  
very simple
concept.  Basically an arch support with a heel cup made to fit the  
foot not
under weight pressure.  When the weight is applied the heel doesn't  
spread

out.

Trem





On 9/13/2011 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:


Thanks for this Trem, I will look into this for him, but i will be
surprised if I can get anything like it here in the UK!  dee


On 13 Sep 2011, at 16:34, Trem wrote:

My heels bothered me all my life and whenever I bought any shoes I  
would
usually look for the ones with crepe soles.  I think they were  
called desert
boots.  Whenever I went to the mall or shopping with my wife I  
always looked
for the "Mens Sitting Chair" wherever we stopped.  And always  
walked on any

carpet in stores if possible.

One day I was trying some shoes on and the saleslady ss  I was
uncomfortable.  As soon as I told her about the sore heels she  
showed me her
orthotics and said she'd been using them for years.  That was  
about 15 or
more years ago.  Went to a chiropodist, got fitted and still use  
the same
ones.  A few years later had him make me a second pair so I wasn't  
always

juggling them between shoes.

Best money I ever spent on health.

Trem





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Re: CS>Desulfurizing

[Mike Monett]

  Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:

  > Hi Mike, thank you for an interesting and informative post.  I was
  > wondering if  putting the electrodes in the sonic cleaner  which I
  > use for my liposomal Vit C would be any good for cleaning  them. I
  > did it once with my old ones but they went a peculiar  flat colour
  > so I discarded them for the new ones. Would this weird matt colour
  > have mattered  (pardon  the pun!) or would this be a  good  way of
  > cleaning the electrodes? Many thanks. dee

  Hi Dee,

  Thanks for the nice compliments.

  After cleaning  the   electrodes   with  Aluminum  Desulfurizing, no
  further cleaning is needed.

  Just keep  the  electrodes  from   further  tarnish  by  keeping the
  generator in polyethylene bags that you get from the grocery store.

  Eventually the contamination and tarnish will build up again and you
  will have to repeat the Desulfurizing process again. But I have made
  it easy and simple, so it should not be a problem to use.

  Please do not try to clean the electrodes in an ultrasonic cleaner.

  It is not needed and you only risk contaminating them.

  Best Wishes,

  Mike Monett
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Re: CS>Desulfurizing [GishPuppy]

[Mike Monett]

  Neville Munn  wrote:

  > This is the first clear confirmation I've heard regarding  the two
  > distinct types of EIS/CS! - Oils ain't just oils! or  EIS/CS ain't
  > just EIS/CS!

  > And this  is why if I consider a particular health issue  needs to
  > be hit  hard  and fast, I use rainwater, and for  two  reasons, a)
  > production is  rapid,  and  b) I get  a  far  higher  total silver
  > concentration in the form of ions...but it must be consumed in the
  > morning hours,  and if I consider it necessary, a second  batch is
  > produced and  consumed in the afternoon hours before  retiring for
  > the night. And this is continued for several days if necessary.

  > Thank You Mr Monett.

  > N.

  Neville,

  Please do  not use rainwater. It has all kinds of  contamination and
  acids that will take the silver ions out of solution.

  You need to learn to use the Salt Test to verify the ion content.

  As far as sublingual absorption with the SilverCell process, you can
  do this as often as you wish. It will not kill the friendly bacteria
  in the colon since it is not ingested, but instead is expelled after
  12 minutes.

  Regards,

  Mike Monett
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Re: CS>spectrographs of CS [GishPuppy]

[Jason R Eaton]

Hi Mike:


 I am  astonished  to find anyone can get down to 0.3uS.  The  best I
 have seen is 0.5uS, and that is from the local Walmart.


I use high powered rare earth magnets in the double distillation process.


 However, such  extreme purity is simply not desirable or  needed for
 the typical single mom.


Agreed.


 However, none  of  us use this anymore. For  LVDC,the  thing  we are
 worried about  is CO2, which forms carbonic acid. This  will quickly
 raise your 0.3uS to 1.5uS or so.


Having an actual closed production system takes care of this problem, 
although again not very necessary for a simple generator.



 Silver does  not  oxidize.   Search   google  for  "silver  does not
 oxidize", and you will get over 8,000 hits. Here are some:


Here we'll have to agree to disagree for the moment.  The point is rather 
mute anyway.


For example:

"The equilibrium electrode potential of silver is +0.799 V. This value is 
only 0.01 V
more negative than the equilibrium potential of an oxygen electrode in 
natural
environments. Then by definition silver is not regarded as a noble metal, 
because it
can still be thermodynamically oxidised by atmospheric oxygen at normal 
temperatures.
At standard temperatures and pressures (STP), the thermodynamical 
equilibrium

of 4 Ag + O2 -- 2 AgO"

-from the ESA Journal, 1989

I can also show you some journal publications with TEM's of silver oxide 
configurations which must have occured with some relatively simple 
reactions.


I've never questioned my common understanding of the oxidation process 
involving silver, as I use ozone and activated oxygen with silver all of the 
time.  I can pretty much prove by physical evidence some very simple 
reactions.


That said, I'll take a look your alternate viewpoint when I get the 
chance...  I always question everything, and I love being proved wrong... 
there's a big thrill in improving the accuracy and depth perception of 
knowledge.


However, I don't see that the point is that relative to anything regarding a 
basic generator, anyway.



 The electrode  configuration does affect the performance. I  hope to
 clarify this soon when I get the SilverCell web page up and running.


That might be one of your bigger issues.  If people purchase standard silver 
electrodes from somewhere like ccsilver.com , they may not be able to bend 
them into shape successfully without "tearing them up" with pliars or some 
such tool.



 > Also, silver particles are not converted into silver chloride.


I don't believe that I stated that they were.  Silver ions are leached off 
by acids, whereby they are then converted into compounds ( in reference to 
Dr. Bart Flick's work).



 Frank is dead wrong in this. Ions kill pathogens in vitro.

 Particles do not.


As I stated in an earlier email, work done at UCLA demonstrated conclusively 
that only the electromagnetic information is required to kill pathogens.  I 
noted that particles in the colloidal spectrum have unique properties not 
shared by simple ion arrangements.  Metallic silver can very easily survive 
the digestive tract.  In fact, you may not be aware fo this, but some 
colloidal-size particles exhibit enzyme-like activities in the body.


However, again, I don't see this as very important to the work at hand.  I 
wholeheartedly agree that Frank is very wrong in some of his suppositions.



 Internally, something completely different happens.  With sublingual
 absorption, the amount of silver in the blood is far to low  to have
 any effect  on  pathogens. We need to study this  further,  since it
 definitely involves the human immune system


Even small concentrations of silver ions contain the electromagetic 
information of silver.  I'm not sure anyone understands from a practical 
level how oligodynamics work biologically.  As far as anyone really knows, 
the effect could simply be a catylst.


Nebulization is my favorite method of administration, although I am aware 
that there are some MD's out there who rely soley upon sublingual 
adsorption.



 High ionic  is the only way to go. Unfortunately,  most  people here
 have no  way  to see this for themselves since  all  the  current cs
 generators have  too   many   design   flaws   to  reach  the needed
 concentration.


Aside from experience with the differences in taste, the salt solution is an 
elegant solution.



 But the  solution has been under our fingers since the  3  nines was
 originally invented.  All it takes is a slight rearrangement  of the
 design, and we can improve the ion concentration by a factor of ten!


I would really like to see this in a closed system some day, with the 
ambient air variables removed.  It would be fascinating.



 You will  truly  be amazed when you see  how  simple  the SilverCell
 process is.  This is the most significant breakthrough  in colloidal
 silver generators  since the original 3 nines, and I  am  hopeful it
 will have  beneficial  effects   for  those  suffering  from se

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[Mike Monett]

  David AuBuchon  wrote:

  > The more I hear about in vivo views, the less I know!

  > Also very interested in your generator Mike. I have suspected that
  > inadequate concentration  of ions in the blood is  the  main issue
  > when people  like  me peak in improvements with  CS.  I definitely
  > want to try your solution out.

  > So is particle size the main factor with nebulizer effectiveness?

  > So Jason,  you would say that ultrasonic nebulizers give  the best
  > particle sizes?  Any  thoughts  on   how  they  compare  to Brooks
  > nebulizer? I  also have infected lungs that do not respond  to all
  > sorts of nebulized silver products with a cheap edge nebulizer.

  >Thanks,
  >~David

  Hi David,

  I wrote  an  article for the Lyme Strategies called  "Silver  In the
  Blood". In it I tried to show the ion concentration in the  blood is
  far too low to have any effect on pathogens, and the main instrument
  in healing is the immune system.

  I will be expanding on this topic in the SilverCell forum,  so there
  will be plenty of new information to work with.

  In the  meantime,  I  need   to   alert  you  to  the  problems with
  nebulizers. As  a  water droplet shrinks, the  silver  and hydroxide
  ions are  forced closer together. And the smaller  the  droplet, the
  faster it shrinks.

  At some  point, the ions combine to form silver hydroxide,  which is
  inert, insoluble,  and  has no  antibacterial  qualities.  This gets
  distributed deep  inside your lungs, and could have the  same effect
  as asbestos in harming the lungs.

  I have  received  permission  from tha author  of  an  excellent web
  article on  nebulizing. He has managed to take high speed  images of
  particles evaporating,  and  has plotted  the  expected  lifetime vs
  particle size. The result is the particles evaporate in milliseconds
  for the typical droplet size used in nebulizing cs.

  This means  you are depositing silver hydroxide in  your  lungs, and
  not silver ions.

  The main  benefit from nebulizing is the sublingual  absorption that
  occurs as the cs fog is deposited on the mucous membranes.

  We take  advantage  of that effect in the  SilverCell  process, with
  uses sublingual  absorption as the main method of getting  access to
  the silver  ions.  It is extremely effective when  you  have  a high
  enough ion concentration to work with.

  Best Regards,

  Mike Monett
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Re: CS>MiniCell Design Considerations [GishPuppy]

[Mike Monett]

  "gaiac...@gmail.com"  wrote:

  > Wow Mike.  What  a wonderful plan you have. I'm  so  impressed. It
  > seems you ve thought of everything for our single, hurried  mom. I
  > know so  many  women in that same situation,  and  when  you start
  > saying "here's  this electric device you can  build--or,  here's a
  > $150 device  you can buy" they just go "oh I don't have  the money
  > and I have zero idea how to build anything".

  > So if you make it simple and easy enough we can get them  into the
  > hands of all these families.

  > Great, great idea. You have a big heart with a lot of compassion.

  >Samala,

  >Renee

  Hi Renee,

  Thanks for the very kind words. When I think of all the  things that
  can happen in life, there is little to compare with having  to leave
  an abusive  husband  and  take the kids to a  shelter.  You  have no
  income and no way to feed the kids, no way to wash the  diapers, and
  no transportation to find a job. When I think of this, it  breaks my
  heart.

  We have a woman's shelter here in Midland called Rosewood. There was
  an appliance  store  nearby called Barber &  Haskill.  They  used to
  store old  washers  and dryers and  microwave  ovens  outside before
  taking them to the dump.

  I used to go down with my dolly after dark and bring back appliances
  that looked  to be in good shape. Most of the time  all  they needed
  was a thorough cleaning and maybe replacing a switch or a belt  or a
  fuse, then I would take them down to Rosewood to give to the girls.

  The look in their eyes when I showed up at their door would melt the
  hardest granite.

  Of course,  there  were No Trespassing signs all over, so  if  I got
  caught, I could be charged with theft. And my landlord threatened to
  evict me  numerous  times  since I put dings  in  the  walls  when I
  brought the appliances up the stairs to my apartment.

  But he  really  couldn't afford to do that, since  I  fixed  all the
  washers and dryers in his laundromat for free, and any  other things
  around the  building  that   needed   fixing.   So  I  kept bringing
  appliances up the stairs, and he kept telling me to stop or he would
  evict me.  Then  he would call and ask me to try to  fix  the latest
  broken washer in the laundromat.

  I guess you call that a Mexican Standoff.

  Unfortunately, the appliance store moved out of town and was too far
  for me  to go. They also started keeping the  old  appliances inside
  and locked up, so there was no way I could get at them.

  I talked  with  the  owner   about   trying  to  make  some  kind of
  arrangement to  get these old appliances, but he was afraid  I would
  try to  to sell them and take business away from him.  There  are no
  other appliance stores in Midland, so I had to stop.

  But I will be moving to Waterloo soon to finish the degree I started
  back in  1967. And when I get there, I am sure I can enlist  some of
  the engineering  students  to form a club to  gather  all  these old
  appliances and  repair  them, and distribute  them  to  Habitant for
  Humanity and  all  the other women's  shelters  in  the metropolitan
  region.

  After all, this will not be taking business away from  the appliance
  companies. The people who will get them could never afford  to waltz
  in a  store  and buy them, so they are non-customers as  far  as the
  store is concerned. But there is a chance that once people  get back
  on their feet, then they would become a customer, so the store could
  benefit in  the  long run. All I need to do is make  the  owners see
  this logic.

  It seems  that  caring for people has gone out of  style.  There are
  exceptions -  for example Mike D. in running this forum  for  such a
  long time  for everyone's benefit. But I think most people  have not
  seen examples  of how to find ways to do things to  help  others, so
  they have no idea of how or where to start.

  We can change that.

  Blessings,

  Mike Monett


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Re: CS>heel spurs

[phoenix23002 tds.net]

II had this problem (plantar fasciitis/tendonitis) about 10 - 15 yrs
ago.  My family doctor was useless but he tried to help me. I had it
for about two years and was in misery.  Using my foot first thing in
the am was horrendously painful.  Couldn't even put weight on it most
of the time.  Meanwhile,  I heard about shark cartilage and how
anti-inflammatory it is and it was like a miracle.  It took about 2 -
4 wks to clear up completely but wow !!  I even made a cream/paste
(with lanolin)  out of the shark cartilage to put on the botton of my
foot in addition to taking 12 - 16 caps x day.  I would use only Lane
Labs brand of shark cartilage.  It is a little pricey but, hopefully,
you won't need to take it forever just a few weeks.  Another great
generic healer is castor oil packs.  That works on so many things.
Good Luck, Lola

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Trem  wrote:
> The lady that introduced me to them was a brit.  Orthotics are a very simple
> concept.  Basically an arch support with a heel cup made to fit the foot not
> under weight pressure.  When the weight is applied the heel doesn't spread
> out.
>
> Trem
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/13/2011 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for this Trem, I will look into this for him, but i will be
>> surprised if I can get anything like it here in the UK!  dee
>>
>>
>> On 13 Sep 2011, at 16:34, Trem wrote:
>>
>>> My heels bothered me all my life and whenever I bought any shoes I would
>>> usually look for the ones with crepe soles.  I think they were called desert
>>> boots.  Whenever I went to the mall or shopping with my wife I always looked
>>> for the "Mens Sitting Chair" wherever we stopped.  And always walked on any
>>> carpet in stores if possible.
>>>
>>> One day I was trying some shoes on and the saleslady ss  I was
>>> uncomfortable.  As soon as I told her about the sore heels she showed me her
>>> orthotics and said she'd been using them for years.  That was about 15 or
>>> more years ago.  Went to a chiropodist, got fitted and still use the same
>>> ones.  A few years later had him make me a second pair so I wasn't always
>>> juggling them between shoes.
>>>
>>> Best money I ever spent on health.
>>>
>>> Trem
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: CS>Re: Soap Nuts, Soap w/o glycerine for teeth

[phoenix23002 tds.net]

Jaxi.. I found this site that might be helpful to you re: oral health with
natural products...
http://www.inspiredliving.com/mouth-care/index.html
I have no association with this company and, in fact, am researching more
for a bar soap recommended by this Dr. Judd.  Lola

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:39 PM, jaxi  wrote:

> Dr Bronner's does ... but it is what is naturally made through the
> saponifying of the oils.  It says it on the labels.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Guyot Léna  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Melly,
>> The day got away from me so I haven't done my boil yet. Hope to tomorrow.
>>
>> BTW, I think this thread began about using soap for cleaning teeth, as it
>> removes the film that regular toothpaste leaves and impedes the tooth's
>> natural tendency to remineralize. The was discussion about finding soap
>> without glycerine and today I discovered that Dr. Bronner's soap bar has
>> none! Yay! I got the almond: figured it would taste better.
>> Léna
>>  On Sep 8, 2011, at 10:24 PM, Melly Bag wrote:
>>
>>   Lena,
>>
>> I came upon an article today that said use 10 nuts to 4 cups of water.
>>
>> The 10 nuts in 2 cups of water, then reduced to 1 cup, came out a bit
>> thick and was very bubbly, a concentrate.  Then when i added the other
>> "teas" from previously boiled nuts, it became watery and hardly any bubble.
>> But i still added the wrinkle removing allantoin, aloe vera and urea.  It
>> still worked, had to rinse it though.
>>
>> PT,
>>
>> Thanks for the suggestions.  I am reluctant to add honey because there are
>> so many ants outside the house due to drought. I don't want them coming
>> inside due to the honey's smell.
>>
>> Melly
>> --- On *Thu, 9/8/11, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com <
>> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: CS>Re: OT - Hyaluronic acid Question - 12 Sept

[Sandee George]

Hi There Lola - thanks for yours on the above - you have voiced my  
sentiments entirely - thanks for
replying it is appreciated - I will leave this product alone 
smile !!!

Regards
Sandee
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Re: CS>heel spurs

[Trem]

The lady that introduced me to them was a brit.  Orthotics are a very 
simple concept.  Basically an arch support with a heel cup made to fit 
the foot not under weight pressure.  When the weight is applied the heel 
doesn't spread out.


Trem





On 9/13/2011 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Thanks for this Trem, I will look into this for him, but i will be surprised if 
I can get anything like it here in the UK!  dee


On 13 Sep 2011, at 16:34, Trem wrote:


My heels bothered me all my life and whenever I bought any shoes I would usually look for 
the ones with crepe soles.  I think they were called desert boots.  Whenever I went to 
the mall or shopping with my wife I always looked for the "Mens Sitting Chair" 
wherever we stopped.  And always walked on any carpet in stores if possible.

One day I was trying some shoes on and the saleslady ss  I was uncomfortable.  
As soon as I told her about the sore heels she showed me her orthotics and said 
she'd been using them for years.  That was about 15 or more years ago.  Went to 
a chiropodist, got fitted and still use the same ones.  A few years later had 
him make me a second pair so I wasn't always juggling them between shoes.

Best money I ever spent on health.

Trem





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Re: CS>heel spurs

[Leslie]

Just calcium gets rid of spurs. I have some in my neck due to an old neck 
injury.Thanks, Lee

--- On Tue, 9/13/11, Tel Tofflemire  wrote:

From: Tel Tofflemire 
Subject: Re: CS>heel spurs
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Date: Tuesday, September 13, 2011, 1:43 PM

 Just read your response to my Shaklee Calcium ..post. ( OnHeal Spurs) All I 
know for sure, and I do know this, it took 4 caps a day, for a couple weeks 
then 2 caps a day and I felt them leave,  I have used it twice, 10 years in 
between,  now and it worked both times, I heard about it 10 yeas ago from the 
chemist who invented it , at the U Of Ohio. USA.
 I would never say anything on this site I did not try myself.Good luck !  I 
think there is a list of ingredients in this stuff, and it worked so well 
Shaklee bought the rights?Tel TofflemireQuailwood
 Herbal.com Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.
From: PTFerrance 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:28 PM
Subject: RE: CS>heel spurs




 
 







 



I
read that bone spurs are caused by the body taking calcium out of bones because
it needs it to function.  Once it is in the blood stream it lands where it
lands.   

PT 

   





From: Jane MacRoss
[mailto:highfie...@internode.on.net] 

Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:20 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Subject: Re: CS>heel spurs 





   



I
understood that Calcium's lack of absorption by the body was one of the CAUSES
of bony spurs / anywhere in the body 





  





Most
Americans seem hooked on Calcium whereas other nations understand that
Magnesium is needed in large doses to assist the utilization of excess
Calcium +  the daily calcium content found in a normal diet  





  





Jane 







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From: Tel Tofflemire  





   







I get them too, But I always use
a very strong Calcium ,  It works well if you take enough.  I
recommend Shaklee Brand because they have one brand that works the best.
 PS. = 





(I am not a member or affiliated
with Shaklee in any way) 





  





Tel Tofflemire

Dewey, AZ. 













From: Kathy
Tankersley  





Has anyone had experience with
heel spurs?  If so, what kind of treatment did you use?  My daughter
has them and they are miserable.  Any help is greatly appreciated. 
Thands,Kathy 





   















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Re: CS>Desulfurizing

[Asif Nathekar]

Hi Mike,
Just to clarify you mentioned that to clean the silver electrodes,  use the 
voltage from the generator and the aluminium strip should be the anode or 
positive and the silver should be on the cathode or negative.

If I have understood this won't that release the aluminium from the strip? 
Thanks.

Excuse me if the question shows my lack of knowledge. I am an electronics 
hobbyist not big on chemistry!.


On 12 Sep 2011, at 18:38, "Mike Monett"  wrote:

> To All,
> 
> Many people have commented on the drop in conductance after the brew
> is finished.  It can be quite significant, and can reach 40%  to 60%
> of the  original strength in the first 48 hours after the cs  is put
> in storage.
> 
> This can greatly reduce the effectiveness of the cs, especially when
> the silver ion concentration is marginal to begin with.
> 
> High Ion Concentration Is Needed
> 
> When the  cs is weak, and you are fighting  a  particularly virulent
> Herpes Simplex  or Herpes Zoster virus, you can drink as much  cs as
> you want and it will have little or no effect.
> 
> But if  you can raise the ion concentration to a true 20uS  or more,
> the infections are quickly subdued. For example, please see  my post
> to Sol  on 19 Oct 2004. Note that Sol also found that a  stronger cs
> worked better  for  her as well. (The mail  archive  scrambles email
> addresses, so please replace the (at) with "@")
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list(at)eskimo.com/msg76134.html
> 
> Silver Sulfide Tarnish
> ~~
> I have  finally tracked down the cause of the  drop  in conductance,
> and figured out how to to solve it.
> 
> The drop in conductance is caused by silver sulfide - plain ordinary
> silver tarnish. Interestingly enough, it is also the reason  your cs
> turns purple  when  you take sips from the  main  storage container,
> instead of  transferring it to a smaller container. It is  caused by
> the sulfur  ions  in  the solution, and not by  the  silver  ions as
> everyone assumes.
> 
> Sulfur is everywhere in the environment. It is largely  generated in
> automobile combustion  and  fossil fuel generating  plants.  It also
> comes from  the  water traps in the kitchen  and  bathroom  sinks as
> sewer gas, or hydrogen sulfide, H2S. [1]
> 
> Keep Your Plumbing Clean
> 
> You may  notice  an unpleasant odor sometimes when you  go  near the
> kitchen sink. That is an indication it may be time to clean  out the
> gunk and  old  food  debris that accumulates  on  the  walls  of the
> downspout. I  use  an old coathanger with a small hook  bent  at one
> end, and a small flashlight to show where the gunk is.
> 
> It takes  a bit of work to find all the gunk and knock  it  into the
> trap. Flush  with water from time to time so you don't  end  up with
> one gigantic  ball that can plug the pipe. When you  are  done, your
> sink will thank you. It will drain much faster than before, and will
> smell fresh and clean, at least for a few days. Doing it yourself is
> a lot  better  than having to pay a plumber when  the  drain becomes
> completely plugged.
> 
> If you  have a garbage disposal or a dishwasher, the situation  is a
> bit more  complicated. It may require disassembling the  drain pipes
> to remove  the  gunk.  This  is a messy  job,  but  well  within the
> capability of a handy homeowner. Here are some links that can help:
> 
> http://www.freeplumbingtips.net/public_html/KitchensinkCDTS_1.htm
> 
> "http://plumbing.about.com/od/drains/ss/Clearing-A-Clogged-Kitchen-Sink-Through-The-Trap.htm";
> 
> Keeping the  plumbing clean helps to minimize the  amount  of sulfur
> generated from bacterial action, and helps to minimize the resulting
> tarnish that forms on the silver electrodes of your cs generator.
> 
> Sulfur Chemistry
> 
> Sulfur loves to combine with silver. Anyone who has  silver utensils
> knows how  hard  it is to keep them free of tarnish,  and  clean and
> shiny. The chemistry is deceptively simple:
> 
> H2S + 2Ag --> Ag2S + H2 [2]
> 
> However, silver  tarnish is one of the most insoluble of  all silver
> compounds. The solubility is only 8.5e-12 mg/L in water, which makes
> it extremely difficult to remove. [3]
> 
> The film of tarnish does not have to be very thick to have  a severe
> impact on the brewing process.
> 
> The ion concentrations we work with are so low that the tarnish film
> can be completely invisible and still ruin your brew.
> 
> Cleaning Tarnished Coins
> ~
> Coin collectors  use  a  simple  electrochemical  process  to remove
> tarnish from silver coins using aluminum, baking soda and hot water.
> 
> Here is an example of how it works:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij4QynD7Ao8
> 
> This relies  on  the  galvanic  action  of  aluminum  and  silver to
> generate a  small  voltage  between the  silver  and  aluminum which
> drives the reaction.
> 
> But we don't want to s

RE: CS>heel spurs

[PTFerrance]

Hi Dee,
Don't know much about lasers and don't know what kind you have so I cannot
say.  My experience is to find out what is causing the inflammation that
causes the tendonitis/fasciitis.  Frequency Specific Microcurrent is great
for this but he would need to find someone near where he lives to try it
out.  If it works then he can get a home unit.
PT

-Original Message-
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 1:44 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>heel spurs

He did PT-  and he also had an MRI which showed scar tissue and some signs
of injury, but was inconclusive really.  They think it was occupational (he
is a heating engineer)  He has had an injection which I assume was a steroid
and he says the pain is a lot less.  I am worried though that he will need
more of these injections and this could be detrimental.  Thanks for the
info.  Do you think my laser would be any use--in conjunction with dmso
maybe?  dee


On 13 Sep 2011, at 13:33, PTFerrance wrote:

> Bone spurs show up on an x-ray, dee.  Did anyone take an x-ray of his
foot?
> 
> 
> Tendonitis responds to Frequency Specific Microcurrent very well, I've
read.
> It has done wonders for me with other things.  I would also think a set of
> LED lights might help.  You might want to check out www.LEDman.com
> PT
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:00 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>heel spurs
> 
> Would this be a similar/same thing as tendonitis?  This is what my son has
> and it is so painful.  It was diagnosed as tendonitis but the specialist
> said it wasn't so I wondered if this could be what it is.  He can't walk
> sometimes when its bad.  dee
> 
> 
> On 13 Sep 2011, at 00:42, Kathy Tankersley wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone had experience with heel spurs?  If so, what kind of treatment
> did you use?  My daughter has them and they are miserable.  Any help is
> greatly appreciated.  Thands,Kathy
> 
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Re: CS>heel spurs

[Tel Tofflemire]

 Just read your response to my Shaklee Calcium ..post. ( On
Heal Spurs) All I know for sure, and I do know this, it took 4 caps a day, for 
a couple weeks then 2 caps a day and I felt them leave,  I have used it twice, 
10 years in between,  now and it worked both times, I heard about it 10 yeas 
ago from the chemist who invented it , at the U Of Ohio. USA.

 I would never say anything on this site I did not try myself.
Good luck !  I think there is a list of ingredients in this stuff, and it 
worked so well Shaklee bought the rights?
Tel Tofflemire
Quailwood Herbal.com
 
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.



From: PTFerrance 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:28 PM
Subject: RE: CS>heel spurs


 
I
read that bone spurs are caused by the body taking calcium out of bones because
it needs it to function.  Once it is in the blood stream it lands where it
lands.  
PT
 
From:Jane MacRoss
[mailto:highfie...@internode.on.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:20 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>heel spurs
 
I
understood that Calcium's lack of absorption by the body was one of the CAUSES
of bony spurs / anywhere in the body
 
Most
Americans seem hooked on Calcium whereas other nations understand that
Magnesium is needed in large doses to assist the utilization of excess
Calcium +  the daily calcium content found in a normal diet 
 
Jane
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>From:Tel Tofflemire 
> 
>I get them too, But I always use
a very strong Calcium ,  It works well if you take enough.  I
recommend Shaklee Brand because they have one brand that works the best.
 PS. =
>(I am not a member or affiliated
with Shaklee in any way)
> 
>Tel Tofflemire
>Dewey, AZ.
>
>
> 
>From:Kathy
Tankersley 
>Has anyone had experience with
heel spurs?  If so, what kind of treatment did you use?  My daughter
has them and they are miserable.  Any help is greatly appreciated. 
Thands,Kathy
> 


 
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Re: CS>heel spurs

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Thanks for this Trem, I will look into this for him, but i will be surprised if 
I can get anything like it here in the UK!  dee


On 13 Sep 2011, at 16:34, Trem wrote:

> My heels bothered me all my life and whenever I bought any shoes I would 
> usually look for the ones with crepe soles.  I think they were called desert 
> boots.  Whenever I went to the mall or shopping with my wife I always looked 
> for the "Mens Sitting Chair" wherever we stopped.  And always walked on any 
> carpet in stores if possible.
> 
> One day I was trying some shoes on and the saleslady ss  I was uncomfortable. 
>  As soon as I told her about the sore heels she showed me her orthotics and 
> said she'd been using them for years.  That was about 15 or more years ago.  
> Went to a chiropodist, got fitted and still use the same ones.  A few years 
> later had him make me a second pair so I wasn't always juggling them between 
> shoes.
> 
> Best money I ever spent on health.
> 
> Trem
> 
> 
> 


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Re: CS>heel spurs

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

He did PT-  and he also had an MRI which showed scar tissue and some signs of 
injury, but was inconclusive really.  They think it was occupational (he is a 
heating engineer)  He has had an injection which I assume was a steroid and he 
says the pain is a lot less.  I am worried though that he will need more of 
these injections and this could be detrimental.  Thanks for the info.  Do you 
think my laser would be any use--in conjunction with dmso maybe?  dee


On 13 Sep 2011, at 13:33, PTFerrance wrote:

> Bone spurs show up on an x-ray, dee.  Did anyone take an x-ray of his foot?
> 
> 
> Tendonitis responds to Frequency Specific Microcurrent very well, I've read.
> It has done wonders for me with other things.  I would also think a set of
> LED lights might help.  You might want to check out www.LEDman.com
> PT
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:00 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>heel spurs
> 
> Would this be a similar/same thing as tendonitis?  This is what my son has
> and it is so painful.  It was diagnosed as tendonitis but the specialist
> said it wasn't so I wondered if this could be what it is.  He can't walk
> sometimes when its bad.  dee
> 
> 
> On 13 Sep 2011, at 00:42, Kathy Tankersley wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone had experience with heel spurs?  If so, what kind of treatment
> did you use?  My daughter has them and they are miserable.  Any help is
> greatly appreciated.  Thands,Kathy
> 
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Re: CS>heel spurs

[Trem]

My heels bothered me all my life and whenever I bought any shoes I would 
usually look for the ones with crepe soles.  I think they were called 
desert boots.  Whenever I went to the mall or shopping with my wife I 
always looked for the "Mens Sitting Chair" wherever we stopped.  And 
always walked on any carpet in stores if possible.


One day I was trying some shoes on and the saleslady ss  I was 
uncomfortable.  As soon as I told her about the sore heels she showed me 
her orthotics and said she'd been using them for years.  That was about 
15 or more years ago.  Went to a chiropodist, got fitted and still use 
the same ones.  A few years later had him make me a second pair so I 
wasn't always juggling them between shoes.


Best money I ever spent on health.

Trem



On 9/13/2011 7:23 AM, sol wrote:
Same here. I even used OTC "orthotics" and they worked perfectly for 
me. I may not have tried every alternative treatment out there, but I 
tried many, and nothing worked but the orthotics.

sol

Trem wrote:

I found orthotics many years ago and never looked further.




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Re: CS>heel spurs

[sol]

That is actually what I was told..I did have bone spurs, but the 
orthopedic doctor said that the actual pain is from the plantar 
fasciitis/tendonitis.apparently many if not most people actually 
have the little bone spurs without any pain or discomfort whatsoever, 
but when the tendon contracts and begins to experience microscopic tears 
that is what causes the pain. The tendon attaches at the heel end near 
(at?) where the bone spur forms.


My understanding is that orthotics keep the tendon stretched, and it 
gradually relaxes, or something to that effectit has been a long 
time and memory gets vague..I could be mis-remembering.

sol

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Would this be a similar/same thing as tendonitis?  This is what my son has and 
it is so painful.  It was diagnosed as tendonitis but the specialist said it 
wasn't so I wondered if this could be what it is.  He can't walk sometimes when 
its bad.  dee


  



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Re: CS>heel spurs

[sol]

Same here. I even used OTC "orthotics" and they worked perfectly for me. 
I may not have tried every alternative treatment out there, but I tried 
many, and nothing worked but the orthotics.

sol

Trem wrote:

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Re: CS>Any advice?

[MaryAnn Helland]

Thank you, PT.
MA





From: PTFerrance 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, September 12, 2011 11:39:45 AM
Subject: RE: CS>Any advice?


Here you go, MaryAnn…
 
http://www.healthyitems.com/Liposomal-CAN-HELP-p/601.16.htm
 
PT
 
From:MaryAnn Helland [mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:41 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Any advice?
 
David -- I had no problem finding Super Artemisinin, using Google, but when I 
type in Lipo CAN-Help -- all I come up with is Liposuction sites.  Where do I 
find information on that?  Thanks.
MA 
 



From:David AuBuchon 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, September 11, 2011 10:08:27 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Any advice?
I have a hundred suggestions.  Here are a handful:
 
"Super artemisinin": 3 caps, twice a day, five days on, two days off, then 
repeat.  Take with a dab of coconut oil.
 
"Lipo CAN-Help" : 1 fl oz, three times a day
 
That is a meager start, that in my opinion has fair chance of taking care of it.
 
~David



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RE: CS>heel spurs

[PTFerrance]

Bone spurs show up on an x-ray, dee.  Did anyone take an x-ray of his foot?


Tendonitis responds to Frequency Specific Microcurrent very well, I've read.
It has done wonders for me with other things.  I would also think a set of
LED lights might help.  You might want to check out www.LEDman.com
PT

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From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:00 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>heel spurs

Would this be a similar/same thing as tendonitis?  This is what my son has
and it is so painful.  It was diagnosed as tendonitis but the specialist
said it wasn't so I wondered if this could be what it is.  He can't walk
sometimes when its bad.  dee


On 13 Sep 2011, at 00:42, Kathy Tankersley wrote:

> Has anyone had experience with heel spurs?  If so, what kind of treatment
did you use?  My daughter has them and they are miserable.  Any help is
greatly appreciated.  Thands,Kathy


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Re: CS>heel spurs

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Would this be a similar/same thing as tendonitis?  This is what my son has and 
it is so painful.  It was diagnosed as tendonitis but the specialist said it 
wasn't so I wondered if this could be what it is.  He can't walk sometimes when 
its bad.  dee


On 13 Sep 2011, at 00:42, Kathy Tankersley wrote:

> Has anyone had experience with heel spurs?  If so, what kind of treatment did 
> you use?  My daughter has them and they are miserable.  Any help is greatly 
> appreciated.  Thands,Kathy


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Re: CS>Desulfurizing

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Hi Mike, thank you for an interesting and informative post.  I was wondering if 
putting the electrodes in the sonic cleaner which I use for my liposomal Vit C 
would be any good for cleaning them.  I did it once with my old ones but they 
went a peculiar flat colour so I discarded them for the new ones.  Would this 
weird matt colour have mattered (pardon the pun!)  or would this be a good way 
of cleaning the electrodes?  Many thanks.  dee


On 12 Sep 2011, at 18:38, Mike Monett wrote:

> To All,
> 
> Many people have commented on the drop in conductance after the brew
> is finished.  It can be quite significant, and can reach 40%  to 60%
> of the  original strength in the first 48 hours after the cs  is put
> in storage.
> 
> This can greatly reduce the effectiveness of the cs, especially when
> the silver ion concentration is marginal to begin with.
> 
> High Ion Concentration Is Needed
> 
> When the  cs is weak, and you are fighting  a  particularly virulent
> Herpes Simplex  or Herpes Zoster virus, you can drink as much  cs as
> you want and it will have little or no effect.
> 
> But if  you can raise the ion concentration to a true 20uS  or more,
> the infections are quickly subdued. For example, please see  my post
> to Sol  on 19 Oct 2004. Note that Sol also found that a  stronger cs
> worked better  for  her as well. (The mail  archive  scrambles email
> addresses, so please replace the (at) with "@")
> 
> http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list(at)eskimo.com/msg76134.html
> 
> Silver Sulfide Tarnish
> ~~
> I have  finally tracked down the cause of the  drop  in conductance,
> and figured out how to to solve it.
> 
> The drop in conductance is caused by silver sulfide - plain ordinary
> silver tarnish. Interestingly enough, it is also the reason  your cs
> turns purple  when  you take sips from the  main  storage container,
> instead of  transferring it to a smaller container. It is  caused by
> the sulfur  ions  in  the solution, and not by  the  silver  ions as
> everyone assumes.
> 
> Sulfur is everywhere in the environment. It is largely  generated in
> automobile combustion  and  fossil fuel generating  plants.  It also
> comes from  the  water traps in the kitchen  and  bathroom  sinks as
> sewer gas, or hydrogen sulfide, H2S. [1]
> 
> Keep Your Plumbing Clean
> 
> You may  notice  an unpleasant odor sometimes when you  go  near the
> kitchen sink. That is an indication it may be time to clean  out the
> gunk and  old  food  debris that accumulates  on  the  walls  of the
> downspout. I  use  an old coathanger with a small hook  bent  at one
> end, and a small flashlight to show where the gunk is.
> 
> It takes  a bit of work to find all the gunk and knock  it  into the
> trap. Flush  with water from time to time so you don't  end  up with
> one gigantic  ball that can plug the pipe. When you  are  done, your
> sink will thank you. It will drain much faster than before, and will
> smell fresh and clean, at least for a few days. Doing it yourself is
> a lot  better  than having to pay a plumber when  the  drain becomes
> completely plugged.
> 
> If you  have a garbage disposal or a dishwasher, the situation  is a
> bit more  complicated. It may require disassembling the  drain pipes
> to remove  the  gunk.  This  is a messy  job,  but  well  within the
> capability of a handy homeowner. Here are some links that can help:
> 
> http://www.freeplumbingtips.net/public_html/KitchensinkCDTS_1.htm
> 
> "http://plumbing.about.com/od/drains/ss/Clearing-A-Clogged-Kitchen-Sink-Through-The-Trap.htm";
> 
> Keeping the  plumbing clean helps to minimize the  amount  of sulfur
> generated from bacterial action, and helps to minimize the resulting
> tarnish that forms on the silver electrodes of your cs generator.
> 
> Sulfur Chemistry
> 
> Sulfur loves to combine with silver. Anyone who has  silver utensils
> knows how  hard  it is to keep them free of tarnish,  and  clean and
> shiny. The chemistry is deceptively simple:
> 
> H2S + 2Ag --> Ag2S + H2 [2]
> 
> However, silver  tarnish is one of the most insoluble of  all silver
> compounds. The solubility is only 8.5e-12 mg/L in water, which makes
> it extremely difficult to remove. [3]
> 
> The film of tarnish does not have to be very thick to have  a severe
> impact on the brewing process.
> 
> The ion concentrations we work with are so low that the tarnish film
> can be completely invisible and still ruin your brew.
> 
> Cleaning Tarnished Coins
> ~
> Coin collectors  use  a  simple  electrochemical  process  to remove
> tarnish from silver coins using aluminum, baking soda and hot water.
> 
> Here is an example of how it works:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij4QynD7Ao8
> 
> This relies  on  the  galvanic  action  of  aluminum  and  silver to
> generate a  small  voltage  between the  silver  and  aluminum which
> drives the reaction.