Re: CSMiniCell Design Considerations
Re: CSMiniCell Design Considerations Bernadette Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:26:52 -0700 I never post - this was a wonderful post, and I will follow this line of thinking closely. Thank you, Mike. B. Bernadette, Please join us at the silvercentral group at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/ Thanks, Mike Monett SilverCell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]
Mike, I don't think you are reading the postings carefully. I suggest you read them carefully and try to understand their actual and intended meaning. I think that it's well known to most list members that this is NOT a forum for medical advice, and I reiterated that. That's the salient point, and I stated it in protection of the list and its members. I think the guidelines say as much. I will say no more about that; the list moderator always does a first-rate job. As for me, I was not offering any advice other than the the common-sense precautionary principle. I said clearly that inhaling H202 sounds potentially DANGEROUS to me. Further, the initial posting made no reference to medical supervision, which raised a red flag. I suspect that inhaling H202 into infected lungs could be deadly, particularly under self-administration. I don't know this for a fact. I simply cite a potential risk. What I do know is that even 3.5% H202 from the drugstore can react very strongly with gum-tissue infection. I would not want to have anything similar happen in my own lungs. Moving on: who said anything about abolishing H202, or inhalation therapy? That's an absurd insinuation. My objection to your message pertained to your manner of addressing a fellow list member. I found it confrontational and offensive. Several more postings of the same kind -- worse, actually -- have followed in rapid succession. As for the comments about legal matters, I have no idea what you mean. I claim no medical expertise and offer no advice to anyone other than to be careful. I've raised similar concerns in past about inhaling H202, claiming no expertise, but advising caution, even with the drugstore product. (35% food grade H2O2 is downright dangerous and requires special handling.) List members can do their own research and make their own decisions, of course. There's quite a lot of information online. There are also licensed medical experts who can provide guidance. David has since stated that the person he wrote about has an MD supervising. That's good news. On 2011/09/14, at 14:19, Mike Monett wrote: Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: I feel certain that the list moderator would say (or does say in the list rules) that no one on this list is qualified to offer medical advice to anyone. The reply to the message below strikes me as intemperate, with uncalled for ad-hominem comments. Nevertheless, my view is that anyone who inhales H202 might wind up suffocating from the foaming reaction this stuff can have when it meets pathogens. Jonathan, Are you giving medical advise on inhaling H2O2? Do you think it should be abolished? Where do you claim the medical knowledge or experience to judge posts? What relevant experience do you have to avoid the liabilities that can result from incompetence promoted in this forum. Do you have any clue what attorneys do to people like you? I would try to get some more guidance before posting such claims. Please take careful measure of what is stated, and the consequences of error in the conclusions. Regards, Mike Monett SilverCell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDesulfurizing
You can do the same thing by wrapping the electrodes in foil with a little salt water or vinegar...any conductive liquid. What that does is make a battery effect that strips a layer off the silver by ionization and deposits it on the aluminum. That's how the silver bandaids work...the silver ions released sterilize the wound. You don't need aluminum to reverse current clean electrodes. I don't know why sulphur would be a problem unless you live down wind of a coal power plant or something and leave your distilled water, or electrodes open to the air for a long time. The black stuff that forms on electrodes is silver oxide, not sulphur oxides tarnish. There is no need to do anything but wipe it off and switch electrode positions to change the polarity now and then. Ode At 08:18 PM 9/13/2011 -0400, you wrote: Asif Nathekar asifnathe...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Mike, Just to clarify you mentioned that to clean the silver electrodes, use the voltage from the generator and the aluminium strip should be the anode or positive and the silver should be on the cathode or negative. If I have understood this won't that release the aluminium from the strip? Thanks. Excuse me if the question shows my lack of knowledge. I am an electronics hobbyist not big on chemistry!. Hi Asif, You ask a very good question. I definitely want to invite you to join the SilverCell forum soon when it is ready. You can use just about any voltage or current source you have available, for example, a simple 9 volt battery works fine. Unlike a 3 nines, the Desulfurizing process is self-limiting and won't run away on you. The aluminum foil is the positive electrode or anode, and both your silver electrodes connect to the negative terminal or cathode. Your question about aluminum ions is extremely astute. I did not expect anyone would ask that. The reactions at the cathode are simple and easy to describe. I will do that in the web version of this paper. The reactions at the anode are completely different. They could drive a saint to sin. The literature is very confused about what happens at the anode. I find most of the available equations are incorrect, so I have come up with my own explanation that fits the available facts. Unlike silver, copper, zinc, or steel, aluminum will not donate aluminum ions to the solution. It is so reactive it immediately forms aluminum oxide, which is insoluble. So I believe all the reactions at the aluminum anode are as if the aluminum were completely inert. Then the main things that happen involve the hydrogen ions that are released as a product of the liberation of oxygen at the anode. I will formalize the equations and present them in the web version of the paper. Very Good question! Thanks, Mike Monett SilverCell -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate?
Hi David: I doubt there would be any need for the MD to recommend to stop the nebulizer treatment of H2O2. One day cessation of H2O2 would certainly be plenty of time for to avoid any h2O2 reaction in-lungs with silver. However, I know nothing about the use of silver citrate in-lungs. One of the things I like about using a quality EIS product, is that a good product is very close to a neutral pH. Certainly at first thought, I'm not a big fan of dumping acids into the lungs, although I do understand that there are those who believe that citrates in general have an increased adsorbtion rate in the body. For the sake of interested parties, you should share with the group the concentration the MD has this individual on with the H2O2 nebulization protocol. I would imagine that the concentration used for someone with lung cancer would be different than someone without it. If memory serves correctly, the ideal concentration of activated oxygen in-lungs for lung cancer is about 0.5 PPM. If the MD is not aware of the research done with Pycnogel (a pine bark extract) and lung cancer, then maybe you can spend some time doing some research. There's been some very promising clinical medical research done, as well as some very impressive experiences by those with lung cancer. Since silver can be delivered directly into the lungs without very many titration issues, you may wish to at least consider an alternative approach. If you read Dr. Robert O Becker's work with silver ions, Our Body Electric, you'll note that he pretty conclusively demonstrated that isolated silver ions, in combination with a minute amount of current, had a dramatic effect on cancerous cells. I do not believe that anyone has demonstrated a similiar effect with silver compounds (perhaps nobody has ever tried). If the medical doctor wishes to explore alternative possibilities, I know that unpublished research has been done...in vitro... studying the direct effect of a high quality electrically isolated silver on human cancer cells. While, to my knowledge, there has been little or no work done trying to translate this into an actual feasible treatment protocol, via MD to MD communication, some of these medical researchers may be available for at least a consultation. If the MD is interested in exploring the issue further, please email me off list, and I'll get him in contact with some people, although the preferred contact has been out of the country for the last year or so. P.S.: The old adage: Beware of a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing, seems to be applicable of late. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 21:47 Subject: Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? Thank you Mike for you sincere comments, and they provide more objectivity for me. I actually make these suggestions to his integrative MD, and he makes the decisions. He routinely prescribes nebulized peroxide, which is why he is taking it. I personally wouldn't want to give him both at once, and am probing as whether or not I would really have to suggest to the doctor to stop the peroxide which he prescribed. Actually the patient is doing much better off with his alternative treatment than had he not. And it is not clear he is destined to leave this world, though he may. I recently saw an elderly loved one who was weeks from death achieve complete remission. He had a large colon tumor, blood loss, several large metastases in the liver, and he couldn't sit up on his own. ~David On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Mike Monett armor@gishpuppy.com wrote: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone do nebulized silver and peroxide on alternating days? I have an elderly person with lung cancer, diabetes, and mild parkinsons. He is already doing nebulized peroxide. I want to give him nebulized silver 100 (100ppm potassium silver citrate). No chemical reactions between residual silver and peroxide going to cause a problem, don't you think?
Re: CSLyme disease
Rod, Thanks for your email. You have me confused with someone else. I have never had Lyme. I hope this helps you. Best regards, Trem Williams customer_serv...@silvergen.com www.silvergen.com On 9/13/2011 6:41 PM, Rodney Samuelson wrote: *Trem,* ** *I know you took CS for a year for Lyme. At what month did you feel better?* ** *How much CS did you drink per day?* ** *Please call me at 860-881-3734* ** *rod* No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3895 - Release Date: 09/13/11
Re: CSRe: CSspectrographs of CS
On 9/13/2011 10:16 PM, Mike Monett wrote: Re: CSspectrographs of CS I am astonished to find anyone can get down to 0.3uS. The best I have seen is 0.5uS, and that is from the local Walmart. I use high powered rare earth magnets in the double distillation process. How does that work. There are no ions in distillation, therefore nothing for the magnets to exert a force against. Actually there are ions in pure water. Water splits into H+ and OH- spontaneously, that is the basis for pH measurements. In a solution pH approximates but is not equal to p[H], the negative logarithm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithm (base 10) of the molar concentration http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molar_concentration of dissolved hydronium ions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydronium_ion (H_3 O^+ ). pH is defined as a negative decimal logarithm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithm of the hydrogen ion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_ion activity in a solution.^[15] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PH#cite_note-14 For pure water that works out to be 10^-7 moles of ions per liter. Using Avogadro constant, we find that one liter of pure water contains 6.02214179(30)×10^23 * 10-7 or approximately 6*10^16 ion pairs per liter. Although percentage wise that is not much, that is still 120,000,000,000,000,000 ions per liter. Marshall
Re: CSSilver Lung
Problem could be you need to use ionic silverfrom P 2 generator In a message dated 9/11/2011 6:55:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, babychicks...@gmail.com writes: I've read of people using the nebulier for CS, but it didn't work for me, it made it harder to breath, so I don't nebulize it If you do this, go slow Kathy - Original Message - From: _Deborah Gerard_ (mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com) To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 5:58 PM Subject: Re: CSSilver Lung You can nebulize cs...Debbie From: LouAnn Hough _tlhough@suddenlink.net_ (mailto:tlho...@suddenlink.net) To: _silver-list@eskimo.com_ (mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com) Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 6:19 PM Subject: CSSilver Lung Hello, you don’t know me but I have been reading posts off and on for a couple years. Now I find I need advice about the silver lungs nebulizer. Have any of you used it? My husband is a smoker and has been getting bronchitis. I am about to move into the spare bedroom due to his coughing at night. It is bad enough for him to be sick, without making me sick as well. But I remembered you all talking about a machine ( humidifier or vaporizer) that had helped someone, so I did some research and found the silver lung nebulizer. I already have a silver puppy for making CS. Have used CS on diabetic ulcers on my Mom before she passed away and for various other types of infections, so I know it works. What do you all think of the silver lung set-up? Artielle
RE: CSFlora effects...
Neville writes: P.S. Regarding the 'friendly flora', I've consumed and administered on occasion 500ml plus every day for several days and I, nor the person I administered it to, have ever experienced any affects on that flora. Perhaps it depends on what solution is ingested? Shop bought, or home produced? LVDC or HVAC produced? High ion content as opposed to high particle content? Plus the many other product variations available? I think the key to your success is you didn't keep doing it for long enough. Believe me, when you manage to wipe your flora the effects are noticeable! I wager you can get by for several days but doing it for a few *weeks* would have a good chance of doing the deed. Just for future reference! grin Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFlora effects...
Mike, and all, Several years ago, I drank between a pint (500 ml) and a quart a day for approximately 2.5 years give or take..I never experienced a wiping out of my intestinal flora..what I did experience intestinally was all beneficial. I also got rid of severe lactose intolerance of at least a decade's standing, and it has never come back, and which I believe was due to intestinal candida. I also was trying to get rid of what I thought was chronic EBV, and I don't really know if I succeeded in that or not, as I never got tested for re-activation. Oh, yeah, I also got blue moons which I still have some 5+ years later..to stop people wasting their time and effort, I have tried all measures for getting rid of them that have been suggested on this list over the intervening years, and they are still with me, though perhaps a little bit lighter. sol M. G. Devour wrote: Neville writes: P.S. Regarding the 'friendly flora', I've consumed and administered on occasion 500ml plus every day for several days and I, nor the person I administered it to, have ever experienced any affects on that flora. Perhaps it depends on what solution is ingested? Shop bought, or home produced? LVDC or HVAC produced? High ion content as opposed to high particle content? Plus the many other product variations available? I think the key to your success is you didn't keep doing it for long enough. Believe me, when you manage to wipe your flora the effects are noticeable! I wager you can get by for several days but doing it for a few *weeks* would have a good chance of doing the deed. Just for future reference! grin Peace, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate?
I would be interested if you had any elaboration on the optimal concentration for lung cancer, as being an illustration of more not always being better. I would have assumed whatever the largest safe concentration is would simply be the concentration of choice.
Re: CSFlora effects...
what is a blue moon? - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:18 PM Subject: Re: CSFlora effects... Mike, and all, Several years ago, I drank between a pint (500 ml) and a quart a day for approximately 2.5 years give or take..I never experienced a wiping out of my intestinal flora..what I did experience intestinally was all beneficial. I also got rid of severe lactose intolerance of at least a decade's standing, and it has never come back, and which I believe was due to intestinal candida. I also was trying to get rid of what I thought was chronic EBV, and I don't really know if I succeeded in that or not, as I never got tested for re-activation. Oh, yeah, I also got blue moons which I still have some 5+ years later..to stop people wasting their time and effort, I have tried all measures for getting rid of them that have been suggested on this list over the intervening years, and they are still with me, though perhaps a little bit lighter. sol M. G. Devour wrote: Neville writes: P.S. Regarding the 'friendly flora', I've consumed and administered on occasion 500ml plus every day for several days and I, nor the person I administered it to, have ever experienced any affects on that flora. Perhaps it depends on what solution is ingested? Shop bought, or home produced? LVDC or HVAC produced? High ion content as opposed to high particle content? Plus the many other product variations available? I think the key to your success is you didn't keep doing it for long enough. Believe me, when you manage to wipe your flora the effects are noticeable! I wager you can get by for several days but doing it for a few *weeks* would have a good chance of doing the deed. Just for future reference! grin Peace, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFlora effects...
He is talking about the greying of the fingernail moons. I covered this in my paper at http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html#Argyria A picture is shown at http://silver-lightning.com/fingernails.JPG Marshall On 9/14/2011 3:30 PM, Mike Winslow-Hansen wrote: what is a blue moon? - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:18 PM Subject: Re: CSFlora effects... Mike, and all, Several years ago, I drank between a pint (500 ml) and a quart a day for approximately 2.5 years give or take..I never experienced a wiping out of my intestinal flora..what I did experience intestinally was all beneficial. I also got rid of severe lactose intolerance of at least a decade's standing, and it has never come back, and which I believe was due to intestinal candida. I also was trying to get rid of what I thought was chronic EBV, and I don't really know if I succeeded in that or not, as I never got tested for re-activation. Oh, yeah, I also got blue moons which I still have some 5+ years later..to stop people wasting their time and effort, I have tried all measures for getting rid of them that have been suggested on this list over the intervening years, and they are still with me, though perhaps a little bit lighter. sol M. G. Devour wrote: Neville writes: P.S. Regarding the 'friendly flora', I've consumed and administered on occasion 500ml plus every day for several days and I, nor the person I administered it to, have ever experienced any affects on that flora. Perhaps it depends on what solution is ingested? Shop bought, or home produced? LVDC or HVAC produced? High ion content as opposed to high particle content? Plus the many other product variations available? I think the key to your success is you didn't keep doing it for long enough. Believe me, when you manage to wipe your flora the effects are noticeable! I wager you can get by for several days but doing it for a few *weeks* would have a good chance of doing the deed. Just for future reference! grin Peace, Mike D. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFlora effects...
Mike: Would ten years ,mostly using it for drinking water,be long enough? Never had a gut problem. Now that I have a discoloration (argeria) I don't even have anything start to form such as colds,flu . Before the color change, colds would start and then within a few hours would go away. For the last two years I haven't been injesting the cs. I mix it 50/50 with Listerine and hold in my mouth while readying for bed . Dave On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:10 AM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Neville writes: P.S. Regarding the 'friendly flora', I've consumed and administered on occasion 500ml plus every day for several days and I, nor the person I administered it to, have ever experienced any affects on that flora. Perhaps it depends on what solution is ingested? Shop bought, or home produced? LVDC or HVAC produced? High ion content as opposed to high particle content? Plus the many other product variations available? I think the key to your success is you didn't keep doing it for long enough. Believe me, when you manage to wipe your flora the effects are noticeable! I wager you can get by for several days but doing it for a few *weeks* would have a good chance of doing the deed. Just for future reference! grin Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFlora effects...
In hospitals, people get their guts flushed out but can eat food. So flora is not strictly needed at all times. So if EIS killed both good and bad, the bad have still been effectively prevented from taking over. Also, in vitro ASAP (Ag4O4 coated particles) kills pathogens easier than probiotics. One might suspect that same would be true of all silver products. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Mike: Would ten years ,mostly using it for drinking water,be long enough? Never had a gut problem. Now that I have a discoloration (argeria) I don't even have anything start to form such as colds,flu . Before the color change, colds would start and then within a few hours would go away. For the last two years I haven't been injesting the cs. I mix it 50/50 with Listerine and hold in my mouth while readying for bed . Dave On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:10 AM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Neville writes: P.S. Regarding the 'friendly flora', I've consumed and administered on occasion 500ml plus every day for several days and I, nor the person I administered it to, have ever experienced any affects on that flora. Perhaps it depends on what solution is ingested? Shop bought, or home produced? LVDC or HVAC produced? High ion content as opposed to high particle content? Plus the many other product variations available? I think the key to your success is you didn't keep doing it for long enough. Believe me, when you manage to wipe your flora the effects are noticeable! I wager you can get by for several days but doing it for a few *weeks* would have a good chance of doing the deed. Just for future reference! grin Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFlora effects...
Mike Winslow-Hansen wrote: what is a blue moon? http://www.mail-archive.com/search?q=blue+moonsl=silver-list@eskimo.com sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CS[List Owner] Caution, please... Mike, David, Jason, others...
Greetings folks! Long time since I've had to wade into the list on this kind of mission! Thank you for that fact, and to the several members who gave me the heads-up so promptly. In catching up with the messages I was a bit surprised and disappointed to see the first intemperate remarks coming from Jason, of all people, in his too-vigorous rebuttal of Mike Monett's speculations about possible hazards of nebulizing CS. (Jason, if by chance the order of things in my mail program distorted the sequence of events and you feel there was some other provocation besides his nebulizing assertion, feel free to let me know.) I tend to agree that nebulizing has an excellent track record, and that Mike's statements were an example of unwarranted certituded by logic rather than empirical evidence: Much clinical AND anecdotal experience plus known information about the actual solubility of the supposedly insoluble silver compounds involved, lead me to doubt Mike's assertions. Here's the problem when folks with a lot of training, experience, and/or expertise with overlapping but not congruent competencies start stepping into each others' areas of interest and on each others' toes: The next thing you know we've got external genital appendages wagging around and egos engaged, and all progress goes out the window! Stop it! Now, Mike, I want to address you specifically: I think your specifications for the device are wonderfully crafted and your intention of releasing it to the public domain and seeking its widespread use by the neediest are an exquisite example of the merging of responsible engineering and activism. Thank you, it's a good plan. But keep in mind that the universe and the powers that be will be more than happy to sabotage such humane intentions and the first place it will try to do this is within you... Want to collaborate successfully with folks from this group? Use our forum to help promote your project? Great! You're welcome. DON'T, however, let yourself succumb to the temptation to engage with both fists the moment somebody steps on your toes. People WILL disagree on things, including things you hold dear. Let them. The truth will carry the day, for or against your ideas. That's as it should be. Your nastiness to David A. was uncalled for and unprovoked. He's well within the charter of the group, and you're not the referee of what's appropriate, nor are you in a competent position to judge the circumstances he is dealing with. Be supportive or leave it be. Jonathan effectively raised the same reasonable questions about nebulizing peroxide that you are concerned with -- without the ad- hominem that sabotages your credibility and effectiveness. Take his example to heart. All right, I used all the big words I could think of, just to make sure all you experts could 'grok' what I'm saying. grin Let's see if we can actually stay on target and stop chaos from winning, just this once, okay? Peace, Mike D. List owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFlora effects...
Dave writes: Mike: Would ten years ,mostly using it for drinking water,be long enough? Never had a gut problem. Well, hearing all the contra-experiences, makes me wonder if it was because I was doing that back in the bad old days before we'd refined the methods we now use to make our CS/EIS. The stuff I had been using at that time was probably higher ppm and more particulate than the low ppm ionic stuff we're making now. So just maybe I'd sent enough non-reactive large silver particles through the stomach to make it to the intestine, where it was just barely soluble enough to do the deed. I'll tell you, though, when you wipe your flora, you might be good for a few days, but some of those bugs are needed to properly assimilate some of your essential B-vitamins and calcium. When I started getting continuous cramps in the big muscles of my upper legs as well as just about everywhere else, I darn well knew something was amiss. Turns out that's a perfect description of the symptoms of severe calcium deficiency, and calcium uptake requires the proper flora. So I sent my wife to the store to buy me one of those calcium supplemented orange juices. A couple of cups of that and within an hour or two the acute phase passed and my muscles were happy again. whew! Peace, Mike D. On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:10 AM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Neville writes: P.S. Regarding the 'friendly flora', I've consumed and administered on occasion 500ml plus every day for several days and I, nor the person I administered it to, have ever experienced any affects on that flora. Perhaps it depends on what solution is ingested? Shop bought, or home produced? LVDC or HVAC produced? High ion content as opposed to high particle content? Plus the many other product variations available? I think the key to your success is you didn't keep doing it for long enough. Believe me, when you manage to wipe your flora the effects are noticeable! I wager you can get by for several days but doing it for a few *weeks* would have a good chance of doing the deed. Just for future reference! grin Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Caution, please... Mike, David, Jason, others...
Hi Mike: After three emails of personal insults from Mike, long before the nebulizer issue, I simply got tired of the escalating language. If you start with this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg142456.html ...and follow it from there, I'm sure you'll see what I mean. There are things that some people say that need to be challenged, for the betterment of all, and I believe I did it in a very respectful and civil way, especially since nobody else seemed to pay much attention. That third set of insults and I'd had enough. Even then, I think my email was very responsible. If I can't tell someone in a stern polite voice that I don't appreciate being personally insulted, and that I'm done with the situation, I'm not sure what you'd expect me to do. If you look at the comments he made to Jonathan and David, they are not only equally unjustified, but very bullying. I don't like bullies, and I don't tolerate bullying, even when the school principal isn't looking. Please take a few moments and review Mike's posts for the last two days. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 15:31 Subject: CS[List Owner] Caution, please... Mike, David, Jason, others... Greetings folks! Long time since I've had to wade into the list on this kind of mission! Thank you for that fact, and to the several members who gave me the heads-up so promptly. In catching up with the messages I was a bit surprised and disappointed to see the first intemperate remarks coming from Jason, of all people, in his too-vigorous rebuttal of Mike Monett's speculations about possible hazards of nebulizing CS. (Jason, if by chance the order of things in my mail program distorted the sequence of events and you feel there was some other provocation besides his nebulizing assertion, feel free to let me know.) I tend to agree that nebulizing has an excellent track record, and that Mike's statements were an example of unwarranted certituded by logic rather than empirical evidence: Much clinical AND anecdotal experience plus known information about the actual solubility of the supposedly insoluble silver compounds involved, lead me to doubt Mike's assertions. Here's the problem when folks with a lot of training, experience, and/or expertise with overlapping but not congruent competencies start stepping into each others' areas of interest and on each others' toes: The next thing you know we've got external genital appendages wagging around and egos engaged, and all progress goes out the window! Stop it! Now, Mike, I want to address you specifically: I think your specifications for the device are wonderfully crafted and your intention of releasing it to the public domain and seeking its widespread use by the neediest are an exquisite example of the merging of responsible engineering and activism. Thank you, it's a good plan. But keep in mind that the universe and the powers that be will be more than happy to sabotage such humane intentions and the first place it will try to do this is within you... Want to collaborate successfully with folks from this group? Use our forum to help promote your project? Great! You're welcome. DON'T, however, let yourself succumb to the temptation to engage with both fists the moment somebody steps on your toes. People WILL disagree on things, including things you hold dear. Let them. The truth will carry the day, for or against your ideas. That's as it should be. Your nastiness to David A. was uncalled for and unprovoked. He's well within the charter of the group, and you're not the referee of what's appropriate, nor are you in a competent position to judge the circumstances he is dealing with. Be supportive or leave it be. Jonathan effectively raised the same reasonable questions about nebulizing peroxide that you are concerned with -- without the ad- hominem that sabotages your credibility and effectiveness. Take his example to heart. All right, I used all the big words I could think of, just to make sure all you experts could 'grok' what I'm saying. grin Let's see if we can actually stay on target and stop chaos from winning, just this once, okay? Peace, Mike D. List owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSFlora effects...
No worries Mike.
I think I explained earlier regarding the rainwater solution that I only use/d
it short term, I would not contemplate ingesting it long term.
But this is something that does have me wondering at times? To me there are
many facets to the forms of EIS/CS. I supposed many months, if not years ago
that I never want to see anything in my solutions either during or after
production that I consider may compromise the quality or efficiency of my
product. This may be open to debate of course, but these are just rules and
observations I set for myself.
And if I may, a question for you, or anyone I guess...I suspect if intestinal
flora is compromised one would tend to get 'bound up' {constipated} as there is
little or no bacteria to assist in the digestion or break down of food, would
that be a fair assumption?
N.
From: mdev...@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2011 15:05:24 -0500
Subject: RE: CSFlora effects...
Neville writes:
P.S. Regarding the 'friendly flora', I've consumed and administered on
occasion 500ml plus every day for several days and I, nor the person I
administered it to, have ever experienced any affects on that flora.
Perhaps it depends on what solution is ingested? Shop bought, or home
produced? LVDC or HVAC produced? High ion content as opposed to high
particle content? Plus the many other product variations available?
I think the key to your success is you didn't keep doing it for long
enough. Believe me, when you manage to wipe your flora the effects are
noticeable! I wager you can get by for several days but doing it for
a few *weeks* would have a good chance of doing the deed.
Just for future reference! grin
Peace,
Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com ]
[Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CSSilver Lung
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:55 PM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote: ** Problem could be you need to use ionic silverfrom P 2 generator Where are the P 2 generators sold? Olushola
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]
Heh! I'm in the pool, picking less than a month on MM... silver list. Chuck I rear-ended a car this morning. So, there we were alongside the road and slowly the other driver got out of his car. You know how sometimes you just get s stressed and little things just seem funny? Yeah, well I couldn't believe it He was a DWARF!!! He stormed over to my car, looked up at me, and shouted, I AM NOT HAPPY!!! So, I looked down at him and said, Well, then which one are you? And then the fight started. On 9/14/2011 1:02:35 AM, Mike Monett (armor@gishpuppy.com) wrote: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Mike for you sincere comments, and they provide more objectivity for me. I actually make these suggestions to his integrative MD, and he makes the decisions. He routinely prescribes nebulized peroxide, which is why he is taking it. I personally wouldn't want to give him both at once, and am probing as whether or not I would really have to suggest to the doctor to stop the peroxide which he prescribed. Actually the patient is doing much better off with his alternative treatment than had he not. And it is not clear he is destined to leave this world, though he may. I recently saw an elderly loved one who was weeks from death achieve complete remission. He had a large colon tumor, blood loss, several large metastases in the liver, and he couldn't sit up on his own. ~David David, Please try to find a day job that does not involve giving advise to MD's. There are many other fields that could benefit from your ministrations. Horiculture, fish farming, mining, airport security, even taxicab monitoring in large cities. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate?
Thanks Jason. So if you google silver 100, you get their site. They claim the potassium silver citrate (not silver citrate) produces a gradual release of free silver ions, which is why I am thinking about it over regular EIS. They claim it has a much higher ability to disassociate that regular EIS. There are some anecdotes on a lyme forum of sublingual silver 100 causing immediate herx even after oral EIS no longer does anything for them. I nebulized the stuff and got mold asthma for an hour. I have infected lungs (and everything) that are super resistant to treatment. Regular EIS produces no effect in me with nebulizer for example. It could have just been more the higher PPM than the freeing of silver ions, but I tend to believe the company. I am sure some chemists on this forum could shed some light in this. The evidence I have for silver in the use of cancer as follows: - In brazil a study had 30 out of 30 breast cancer remitted with one IV treatment of Ag4O4. - I've read about 15 anecdotes in humans and 10 in dogs of tumors dissappearing thought to be due to a silver supplement. - an animal study showed showed silver nanoparticles have an anticancer effect - silver nanoparticles are known to target cancer. - in vitro studies show EIS kills breast cancer. And I think I have seen I am hedging the risk and thinking about using both sublingual/oral silver 100, nebulized silver 100, and oral ASAP health max 30PPM. The silver 100 is resulting in ions, the ASAP is particles...which would target cancer. And they are coated in Ag4O4, which was the chemical used in the breast cancer study. Plus they just found a bladder infection, which silver may solve quickly. Plus I think he has Lyme...well I think everybody and their mom has lyme! Regarding peroxide, I had mentioned to the MD that I had head of people who had done 3% peroxide (Brooks). He said it wasn't safe and 0.5% was the max. I think he starts with 0.0375%...very little. Anyrate, no one here ever puts all their eggs in one basket, and we have 20 other things in the pipeline. ~David
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]
Hahahahahaa -Original Message- Date: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:26:42 pm To: silver-list@eskimo.com From: cking...@nycap.rr.com Subject: Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy] Heh! I'm in the pool, picking less than a month on MM... silver list. Chuck I rear-ended a car this morning. So, there we were alongside the road and slowly the other driver got out of his car. You know how sometimes you just get s stressed and little things just seem funny? Yeah, well I couldn't believe it He was a DWARF!!! He stormed over to my car, looked up at me, and shouted, I AM NOT HAPPY!!! So, I looked down at him and said, Well, then which one are you? And then the fight started. On 9/14/2011 1:02:35 AM, Mike Monett (armor@gishpuppy.com) wrote: David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Mike for you sincere comments, and they provide more objectivity for me. I actually make these suggestions to his integrative MD, and he makes the decisions. He routinely prescribes nebulized peroxide, which is why he is taking it. I personally wouldn't want to give him both at once, and am probing as whet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]
I hope not. I am very interested to see what all he is working on, and would be happy to use my site to seed it into the larger web if it is really a good thing. I am also curious if it could help me beat my bugs. And man, new discoveries on the lyme community spread really fast, and something like Mike is working on just could be the next thing. ~David On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:26 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Heh! I'm in the pool, picking less than a month on MM... silver list. Chuck I
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate?
Hi David: Understood. Like I said, I can't offer an educated opinion on the +potassium silver citrate, but I would be interested to know how it works out. Like most companies marketing silver compounds, I don't trust them as I review their information. Statements like this: There really is no ppm that is best. Lower ppm is not safer and higher ppm is not more effective. ...cause me to stop reading. Argyria is dosage dependent. The actual amount of silver is the most important consideration when evaluating the risk for argyria. If one doesn't want to take the extensive time it requires to research argyria cases, and their causes, then at least one should offer fair warning to users that by using a highly concentrated silver product, they are at increased risk for cosmetic argyria. Some of the most infamous cases of argyria are from Water Oz, where the founder and staff swore up and down that there product produced no risk of argyria. They claimed their product was angstrom-sized silver, but it was a silver citrate. For someone with massive health issues, fighting for their life, I doubt the individual would be that concerned about some skin discoloration, but I always strongly believe in a term popularized by The WHO at the geneva convention after World War II... The idea of informed consent. Regarding reference #1: Every medical experiment that I'm aware of regarding Ag4O4 was done with Tetrasil before it dissapeared off the market (not the topical tetrasil). Best of luck with the aggressive protocols. Regarding H2O2: Thanks for this information. Individuals commonly use 1.5% H2O2 for nebulization, and I have always thought that for ***some*** individuals, that concentration may be a little high. Starting off with a concentration of 0.0375% may be a very prudent and safe way for individuals to introduce themselves to this type of therapy. To note, for systemic issues, an individual may have to work their way up to higher concentrations but I wouldn't even make a suggestion for increased concentration to a lung cancer patient. I'm just glad to know that it is possible for a lung cancer patient to even attempt such a therapy. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 16:27 Subject: Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? Thanks Jason. So if you google silver 100, you get their site. They claim the potassium silver citrate (not silver citrate) produces a gradual release of free silver ions, which is why I am thinking about it over regular EIS. They claim it has a much higher ability to disassociate that regular EIS. There are some anecdotes on a lyme forum of sublingual silver 100 causing immediate herx even after oral EIS no longer does anything for them. I nebulized the stuff and got mold asthma for an hour. I have infected lungs (and everything) that are super resistant to treatment. Regular EIS produces no effect in me with nebulizer for example. It could have just been more the higher PPM than the freeing of silver ions, but I tend to believe the company. I am sure some chemists on this forum could shed some light in this. The evidence I have for silver in the use of cancer as follows: - In brazil a study had 30 out of 30 breast cancer remitted with one IV treatment of Ag4O4. - I've read about 15 anecdotes in humans and 10 in dogs of tumors dissappearing thought to be due to a silver supplement. - an animal study showed showed silver nanoparticles have an anticancer effect - silver nanoparticles are known to target cancer. - in vitro studies show EIS kills breast cancer. And I think I have seen I am hedging the risk and thinking about using both sublingual/oral silver 100, nebulized silver 100, and oral ASAP health max 30PPM. The silver 100 is resulting in ions, the ASAP is particles...which would target cancer. And they are coated in Ag4O4, which was the chemical used in the breast cancer study. Plus they just found a bladder infection, which silver may solve quickly. Plus I think he has Lyme...well I think everybody and their mom has lyme! Regarding peroxide, I had mentioned to the MD that I had head of people who had done 3% peroxide (Brooks). He said it wasn't safe and 0.5% was the max. I think he starts with 0.0375%...very little. Anyrate, no one here ever puts all their eggs in one basket, and we have 20 other things in the pipeline. ~David
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]
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Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate?
David, You might want to try silver sol (silver tetroxide) made by Guardian. I had a severe food poisoning a month ago... woke up with nausea and severe aches and pains in my joints, felt very feverish (flu like) but with no respiratory symptoms. Came out of nowhere but the night before I ate some chicken that tasted awful... I actually threw it out after eating a couple of mouthfuls. Anyway... I took two tablespoons of this stuff every hour for three hours, then every two hours by the end of the day my symptoms were completely gone and they were getting worse by the minute when I awoke. Amazing. Bob - Original Message - From: David AuBuchon To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:27 PM Subject: Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? Thanks Jason. So if you google silver 100, you get their site. They claim the potassium silver citrate (not silver citrate) produces a gradual release of free silver ions, which is why I am thinking about it over regular EIS. They claim it has a much higher ability to disassociate that regular EIS. There are some anecdotes on a lyme forum of sublingual silver 100 causing immediate herx even after oral EIS no longer does anything for them. I nebulized the stuff and got mold asthma for an hour. I have infected lungs (and everything) that are super resistant to treatment. Regular EIS produces no effect in me with nebulizer for example. It could have just been more the higher PPM than the freeing of silver ions, but I tend to believe the company. I am sure some chemists on this forum could shed some light in this. The evidence I have for silver in the use of cancer as follows: - In brazil a study had 30 out of 30 breast cancer remitted with one IV treatment of Ag4O4. - I've read about 15 anecdotes in humans and 10 in dogs of tumors dissappearing thought to be due to a silver supplement. - an animal study showed showed silver nanoparticles have an anticancer effect - silver nanoparticles are known to target cancer. - in vitro studies show EIS kills breast cancer. And I think I have seen I am hedging the risk and thinking about using both sublingual/oral silver 100, nebulized silver 100, and oral ASAP health max 30PPM. The silver 100 is resulting in ions, the ASAP is particles...which would target cancer. And they are coated in Ag4O4, which was the chemical used in the breast cancer study. Plus they just found a bladder infection, which silver may solve quickly. Plus I think he has Lyme...well I think everybody and their mom has lyme! Regarding peroxide, I had mentioned to the MD that I had head of people who had done 3% peroxide (Brooks). He said it wasn't safe and 0.5% was the max. I think he starts with 0.0375%...very little. Anyrate, no one here ever puts all their eggs in one basket, and we have 20 other things in the pipeline. ~David
Re: CSFlora effects...
Two full moons in the same month. An infrequent occurrence Chuck My wife was hinting about what she wanted for our upcoming anniversary. She said, 'I want something shiny that goes from 0 to 150 in about 3 seconds.' I bought her a scale. And then the fight started... On 9/14/2011 3:30:31 PM, Mike Winslow-Hansen (th...@telus.net) wrote: what is a blue moon? - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:18 PM Subject: Re: CSFlora effects... Mike, and all, Several years ago, I drank between a pint (500 ml) and a quart a day for approximately 2.5 years give or take..I never experienced a wiping out of my intestinal flora..what I did experience intestinally was all beneficial. I also got rid of severe lactose intolerance of at least a decade's standing, and it has never come back, and which I believe was due to intestinal candida. I also was trying to get rid of what I thought was chronic EBV, and I don't really know if I succeeded in that or not, as I never got tested for re-activation. Oh, yeah, I also got blue moons which I still have some 5+ years later..to stop people wasting their time and effort, I have tried all measures for getting rid of them that have been suggested on this list over the intervening years, and they are still with me, though perhaps a little bit lighter. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate?
Hi Bob, Yes I am wanting to use ASAP Health Max 30 PPM which is the same exact product except 30 PPM. They have that product under a bunch of different labels. ~David Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:25 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: ** David, You might want to try silver sol (silver tetroxide) made by Guardian. I had a severe food poisoning a month ago... woke up with nausea and severe aches and pains in my joints, felt very feverish (flu like) but with no respiratory symptoms. Came out of nowhere but the night before I ate some chicken that tasted awful... I actually threw it out after eating a couple of mouthfuls. Anyway... I took two tablespoons of this stuff every hour for three hours, then every two hours by the end of the day my symptoms were completely gone and they were getting worse by the minute when I awoke. Amazing. Bob
Re: CSFlora effects...
- Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: Re: CSFlora effects... Two full moons in the same month. An infrequent occurrence Chuck My wife was hinting about what she wanted for our upcoming anniversary. She said, 'I want something shiny that goes from 0 to 150 in about 3 seconds.' I bought her a scale. And then the fight started... On 9/14/2011 3:30:31 PM, Mike Winslow-Hansen (th...@telus.net) wrote: what is a blue moon? - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:18 PM Subject: Re: CSFlora effects... Mike, and all, Several years ago, I drank between a pint (500 ml) and a quart a day for approximately 2.5 years give or take..I never experienced a wiping out of my intestinal flora..what I did experience intestinally was all beneficial. I also got rid of severe lactose intolerance of at least a decade's standing, and it has never come back, and which I believe was due to intestinal candida. I also was trying to get rid of what I thought was chronic EBV, and I don't really know if I succeeded in that or not, as I never got tested for re-activation. Oh, yeah, I also got blue moons which I still have some 5+ years later..to stop people wasting their time and effort, I have tried all measures for getting rid of them that have been suggested on this list over the intervening years, and they are still with me, though perhaps a little bit lighter. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFlora effects...
oh lol - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: Re: CSFlora effects... Two full moons in the same month. An infrequent occurrence Chuck My wife was hinting about what she wanted for our upcoming anniversary. She said, 'I want something shiny that goes from 0 to 150 in about 3 seconds.' I bought her a scale. And then the fight started... On 9/14/2011 3:30:31 PM, Mike Winslow-Hansen (th...@telus.net) wrote: what is a blue moon? - Original Message - From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:18 PM Subject: Re: CSFlora effects... Mike, and all, Several years ago, I drank between a pint (500 ml) and a quart a day for approximately 2.5 years give or take..I never experienced a wiping out of my intestinal flora..what I did experience intestinally was all beneficial. I also got rid of severe lactose intolerance of at least a decade's standing, and it has never come back, and which I believe was due to intestinal candida. I also was trying to get rid of what I thought was chronic EBV, and I don't really know if I succeeded in that or not, as I never got tested for re-activation. Oh, yeah, I also got blue moons which I still have some 5+ years later..to stop people wasting their time and effort, I have tried all measures for getting rid of them that have been suggested on this list over the intervening years, and they are still with me, though perhaps a little bit lighter. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=subscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]
David If you want a high concentration it's quite easy to make from the product you make normally. Just put it in your well cleaned coffee carafe and set it on the coffee hotplate. keep an eye on it occasionally as it reduces ( steams off) part of the water. when half of the water is gone you have doubled the PPM. just don't let it go dry. Don't worry about the color it changes to when the concentration gets high, it doesn't mean that the particles are getting bigger. If you add the same amount of distilled water you steamed off it returns to clear. Bigger particles would stay big not disappear. Dave On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: I hope not. I am very interested to see what all he is working on, and would be happy to use my site to seed it into the larger web if it is really a good thing. I am also curious if it could help me beat my bugs. And man, new discoveries on the lyme community spread really fast, and something like Mike is working on just could be the next thing. ~David On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:26 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Heh! I'm in the pool, picking less than a month on MM... silver list. Chuck I
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]
That...is a really good suggestionhave you tried this evaporation and recombining and seen the color change back to clear? And what is the most you've every tried concentrating it? I would want to try concentrating a quart in to like 1/20th the volume, and do it sublingual/oral. If it really does recombine with water well, I would think this does not increase the argyria profile. ~David On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: David If you want a high concentration it's quite easy to make from the product you make normally. Just put it in your well cleaned coffee carafe and set it on the coffee hotplate. keep an eye on it occasionally as it reduces ( steams off) part of the water. when half of the water is gone you have doubled the PPM. just don't let it go dry. Don't worry about the color it changes to when the concentration gets high, it doesn't mean that the particles are getting bigger. If you add the same amount of distilled water you steamed off it returns to clear. Bigger particles would stay big not disappear. Dave On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: I hope not. I am very interested to see what all he is working on, and would be happy to use my site to seed it into the larger web if it is really a good thing. I am also curious if it could help me beat my bugs. And man, new discoveries on the lyme community spread really fast, and something like Mike is working on just could be the next thing. ~David On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:26 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Heh! I'm in the pool, picking less than a month on MM... silver list. Chuck I
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]
I've taken it to around 380 ppm. It was a light greenish brown and went back clear after adding the water. I never let it get below 1/2 the carafe volume. At that point I topped it off and let it steam down again and again and again etc. Dave On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:56 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: That...is a really good suggestionhave you tried this evaporation and recombining and seen the color change back to clear? And what is the most you've every tried concentrating it? I would want to try concentrating a quart in to like 1/20th the volume, and do it sublingual/oral. If it really does recombine with water well, I would think this does not increase the argyria profile. ~David On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:41 PM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: David If you want a high concentration it's quite easy to make from the product you make normally. Just put it in your well cleaned coffee carafe and set it on the coffee hotplate. keep an eye on it occasionally as it reduces ( steams off) part of the water. when half of the water is gone you have doubled the PPM. just don't let it go dry. Don't worry about the color it changes to when the concentration gets high, it doesn't mean that the particles are getting bigger. If you add the same amount of distilled water you steamed off it returns to clear. Bigger particles would stay big not disappear. Dave On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:36 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.com wrote: I hope not. I am very interested to see what all he is working on, and would be happy to use my site to seed it into the larger web if it is really a good thing. I am also curious if it could help me beat my bugs. And man, new discoveries on the lyme community spread really fast, and something like Mike is working on just could be the next thing. ~David On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 4:26 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Heh! I'm in the pool, picking less than a month on MM... silver list. Chuck I
CSRe: Desulfurizing
To All, I have updated my Desulfurizing post to include the equations that occur at the anode and cathode. The url is http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/20?l=1 I also made one small error in the equations. The correction is http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/21?l=1 Thanks, Mike Monett SilverCentral http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/messages -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]
Why not let it get lower? You would have to evaporate half the container like 8 times by my calculations if you had 10PPM EIS to get 200PPM. Can you just evaporate 19/20ths of the container once? (Sorry...I own no coffee of coffee parafanaleeea). Is their another device I might own I can evaporate with? It seems I do not properly understand how the agglomerated particles come to be in the first place. I assumed the solution gets crowded, and silver hydroxides collide. If this were the mechanism, your evaporation experiments would not have been reversible. Can someone enlighten me on the mechanism of formation of agglomerated particles in EIS? ~David On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: I've taken it to around 380 ppm. It was a light greenish brown and went back clear after adding the water. I never let it get below 1/2 the carafe volume. At that point I topped it off and let it steam down again and again and again etc. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDesulfurizing
Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: You can do the same thing by wrapping the electrodes in foil with a little salt water or vinegar...any conductive liquid. What that does is make a battery effect that strips a layer off the silver by ionization and deposits it on the aluminum. That's how the silver bandaids work...the silver ions released sterilize the wound. You don't need aluminum to reverse current clean electrodes. I don't know why sulphur would be a problem unless you live down wind of a coal power plant or something and leave your distilled water, or electrodes open to the air for a long time. The black stuff that forms on electrodes is silver oxide, not sulphur oxides tarnish. There is no need to do anything but wipe it off and switch electrode positions to change the polarity now and then. Ode Ode, 1. We do not want to immerse the electrodes in a sodium solution. It will be very difficult to remove the ions. 2. The galvanic series shows the electromotive force when different metals are immersed in an electrolyte. One example is http://www.ssina.com/corrosion/galvanic.html This shows aluminum is positive with respect to silver. This means we can eliminate the sodium ions and use our own dc supply to accomplish the same thing. 3. The classical equations show that the sulfur is deposited on the aluminum. However, this produces aluminum sulfide, which decomposes in water. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_sulfide In distilled water, the classical equations are incorrect or do not apply. 4. Instead of aluminum, you could use copper or zinc as the anode. However, metals other than aluminum release ions into the solution, which would travel to the silver cathodes and contaminate them. 5. The typical equations posted on the web are incorrect. They contain many fundamental flaws, such as mass and charge inbalance in the coefficients, and gross errors such as stating the sulfur ion is positive. It is not. The sulfur ion is S(2-), not S(2+) 6. Aluminum is inert in this reaction. I have posted the correct equations to my Yahoo forum at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/20?l=1 I made one small error. It is corrected at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/message/21?l=1 7. The black stuff that forms on the electrodes is silver hydroxide, AgOH, not silver oxide, Ag2O. Your statement is incorrect. You cannot produce silver Oxide, Ag2O, by using electrolysis. 8. Every silver surface tarnishes. You cannot wipe it off. The film is invisible at the beginning, but it will severely impact the brewing process, and cause a significant reduction in the silver ion concentration in the 48 hours following the brew. 9. The reduction in ion concentration severly reduces the effectiveness of the colloidal silver. You may examine my post to sol to verify this: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg76134.html Please note that sol also remarked that a weak solution did not work as well. You cannot remove the silver tarnish without damaging the electrodes, except by the process I have described. When you do, you may find your brew is much stronger than before, and much more effective. However, for the ultimate in colloidal silver generation, please visit my forum at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/messages Here you will find the most significant advance in colloidal silver generators since the original 3 nines. Best Regards, Mike Monett Silvercentral -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnebulized peroxide and silver safe to alternate? [GishPuppy]
I would imagine you could use a gallon jar and a low wattage food warmer of some kind. I don't know but would suppose you wouldn't want it to boil. Boiling would probably cause agglomeration. I make 20 ppm so it goes faster than you would at 10. Dave On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:19 PM, David AuBuchon aubuchon.da...@gmail.comwrote: Why not let it get lower? You would have to evaporate half the container like 8 times by my calculations if you had 10PPM EIS to get 200PPM. Can you just evaporate 19/20ths of the container once? (Sorry...I own no coffee of coffee parafanaleeea). Is their another device I might own I can evaporate with? It seems I do not properly understand how the agglomerated particles come to be in the first place. I assumed the solution gets crowded, and silver hydroxides collide. If this were the mechanism, your evaporation experiments would not have been reversible. Can someone enlighten me on the mechanism of formation of agglomerated particles in EIS? ~David On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: I've taken it to around 380 ppm. It was a light greenish brown and went back clear after adding the water. I never let it get below 1/2 the carafe volume. At that point I topped it off and let it steam down again and again and again etc. Dave -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDesulfurizing [GishPuppy]
Update to complete the reply to my previous post. Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net wrote: [...] I don't know why sulphur would be a problem unless you live down wind of a coal power plant or something and leave your distilled water, or electrodes open to the air for a long time. The black stuff that forms on electrodes is silver oxide, not sulphur oxides tarnish. There is no need to do anything but wipe it off and switch electrode positions to change the polarity now and then. Ode 1. As I described, sulfur is everywhere. if you own a car, you burn gasoline. That releases a great deal of sulfur into the air. If you have a car, you are near a road. Other cars drive on that road,and they release sulfur into the atmosphere. You will experience tarnish on your silver electrodes. It is unavoidable. 2. As I described, you probably find your kitchen sink smells from time to time. This releases sulfur into the air. I recommend to clean it often. 3. If you have a car, you have a lead-acid battery. The acid is sulfuric acid. This releases sulfur into the home. If you place your nose near the battery and sniff - that's what sulfur smells like. 4. Sulfur tarnishes silver readily. It is inescapable and unavoidable. It can severely disrupt the brewing process, and cause a significant reduction in the conductance of the solution in the first 48 hours after the brew. 5. Silver sulfide is yellow, not black. See http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/StirlingSilverForks.jpg/252px-StirlingSilverForks.jpg; 6. Silver sulfide is not an oxide. I gave the equation in my post: 2Ag + H2S -- Ag2S + H2(g) 7. Reversing the polarity does not eliminate the sulfur. It merely moves it from the cathode to the anode, and leaves some in the solution. This is what disrupts the brewing process and reduces the conductance after the brew is finished. 8. Performing the desulfurizing process I described reduces the conductance loss from 40%to 60% down to less than 12%. 9. Wiping the electrodes has no effect on the tarnish, and does not affect the drop in conductance. 10. Wiping the electrodes is a very bad habit and contributes to further contamination from the tissue and from your fingers. For example, if you look at the electrodes very carefully in the right angle, you will see fragments of the tissue stuck to the electrodes. This contains chemicals from the paper process, that contaminate the dw. So wiping contributes to the loss in silver ion concentration. 11. Since the SilverCell process does not produce any silver hydroxide, there is no need to wipe the electrodes. You no longer suffer the loss in silver ion concentration due to contamination. The myths, misunderstandings and miscomprehension of the silver process have severely diminished the capability of this wonderful metal. I have, by a simple change to the process, increased the silver ion concentration by about a factor of ten, from less than 5% to over 44%. I have shown how to reduce the drop in conductance due to sulfur contamination from 40% to 60% to less than 12%. I have shown how to eliminate the leaching of plain glass containers by changing to borosilicate. These are readily available all over the world, and are called beakers. They are very inexpensive. These are very significant improvements. This is from studying the process carefully, and finding out how it actually works. Then by finding what it needs to improve the entire process, and by continually reviewing the results and improving them again. You can see the results on my forum at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/messages These advantages are not available anywhere else on the web. I will post a copy of these discussion to my forum. Thanks, Mike Monett SilveCentral -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDesulfurizing
On 9/14/2011 9:42 PM, Mike Monett wrote 7. The black stuff that forms on the electrodes is silver hydroxide, AgOH, not silver oxide, Ag2O. Your statement is incorrect. You cannot produce silver Oxide, Ag2O, by using electrolysis. As I pointed out before, Silver Hydroxide and Silver Oxide convert back and forth between each other when in water. Here is a reference for that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide 2 AgOH ? Ag_2 O + H_2 O (/p/K http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_constant = 2.875^[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide#cite_note-4 ) Also as I pointed out in a previous message, silver hydroxide decomposes into Silver oxide when it drys out. It does not occur except as a solution. Here they talk about that: http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100726032601AA2jYuy Thus, when on a wet electrode, it can be silver oxide or silver hydroxide, but when dried out it will always be silver oxide. Marshall
Re: CS[List Owner] Caution, please... Mike, David, Jason, others...
Dear Jason, Thanks for the response... After three emails of personal insults from Mike, long before the nebulizer issue, I simply got tired of the escalating language. I counted this message as the first one with (mildly) intemperate language... http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg142564.html Are you saying you took the previous 2 or 3 messages from Mike in that thread to be... condescending, shall we say? Okay, then I can see how you might feel the response in your message above was provoked. It's just that you'd handled the previous exchanges in the thread so graciously I guess I missed the sound of gritted teeth. sigh If I can't tell someone in a stern polite voice that I don't appreciate being personally insulted, and that I'm done with the situation, I'm not sure what you'd expect me to do. I think by the time you got to this message, you had ample justification, if it's the one you're talking about... http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/msg142579.html If you look at the comments he made to Jonathan and David, they are not only equally unjustified, but very bullying. Agreed. I don't like bullies, and I don't tolerate bullying, even when the school principal isn't looking. Please take a few moments and review Mike's posts for the last two days. Done, believe me. Thanks for helping me understand. Peace, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDesulfurizing [GishPuppy]
Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: On 9/14/2011 9:42 PM, Mike Monett wrote 7. The black stuff that forms on the electrodes is silver hydroxide, AgOH, not silver oxide, Ag2O. Your statement is incorrect. You cannot produce silver Oxide, Ag2O, by using electrolysis. As I pointed out before, Silver Hydroxide and Silver Oxide convert back and forth between each other when in water. Here is a reference for that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide 2 AgOH ? Ag_2 O + H_2 O (/p/K http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equilibrium_constant = 2.875^[5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide#cite_note-4 ) Also as I pointed out in a previous message, silver hydroxide decomposes into Silver oxide when it drys out. It does not occur except as a solution. Here they talk about that: http://au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100726032601AA2jYuy Thus, when on a wet electrode, it can be silver oxide or silver hydroxide, but when dried out it will always be silver oxide. Marshall Sorry, Marshall, your statement is incorrect. The references are wrong. Silver hydroxide is insoluble. I posted experiments long ago that shows this. I found one, and am still looking for the other. They follow along these lines: First, silver hydroxide decomposes at 60C to 80C. I have the reference somewhere but can't put my finger on it at the moment. But you can prove it to yourself. Take the anode after a brew and let it dry. Put it on a hot plate with a microscope and thermometer. You will find it changes from black to gray as the temperature passes through the 60C to 80C region. This means the compound has decomposed to oxygen and silver Silver oxide decomposes at 280C http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide So the black stuff cannot be silver oxide. The only other suspect is silver hydroxide, AgOH. The equation is Ag+ + OH- -- AgOH This shows that silver hydroxide does not change to silver oxide as it dries out. Your statements are incorrect, and your references are wrong. Second, if you do a brew with 20ppm that has 10% particles, the brew contains 2 ppm of silver hydroxide. This will turn the solution yellow due to plasmon absorbance. Silver oxide is soluble to 0.025 g/L, or 25ppm. Same reference. Ions are not visible. So if the silver hydroxide changed to silver oxide, the yellow color would disappear as the compound changed to ions. This does not happen. So the yellow color has to be silver hydroxide, AgOH, and not silver oxide, Ag2O. This shows that silver hydroxide is not soluble in dw, and your statements are incorrect. Third, take two electrodes and straighten them, then separate them by the distance of a sheet of paper. Place them in a fresh jar of dw. Measure the conductance. Apply a small current until the electrodes show a black deposit. Monitor the current and perform the Faraday calculation. You may find that only 2 ppm of silver was released. Most of it coats the electrodes. You will find very little change in the conductance of the dw. Remove the electrodes and place them in a fresh jar of dw. Leave them overnight. Look at them the next morning. There will be no change in the black deposit. Perform the thermal test decribed above. You will find the black deposit turns gray as the temperature goes through 60C to 80C. That is the signature temperature for silver hydroxide. No other silver compound decomposes at such a low temperature. If the silver hydroxide were soluble, it would have disappeared in the fresh jug of dw overnight. It did not. This shows that silver hydroxide is insoluble, and it does not change to silver oxide. I have proven that your references are wrong, and silver hydroxide does not spontaneously change to silver oxide. Therefore, as I have stated, you cannot produce silver oxide by electrolysis. The silver ion concentration is the most important part of colloidal silver. A weak solution may be ineffective in combating today's virulent pathogens. The current silver ion generators do not produce a high enough concentration to be useful in fighting them. If you want to learn more how to get the highest silver ion concentration possible, visit my forum at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silvercentral/messages You are most cordially welcome to join. It is free. I will post a copy of this on my forum. I will also post a reply to your previous post as soon as I complete the documentation for the MiniCell
RE: CSDesulfurizing [GishPuppy]
[The current silver ion generators do not produce
a high enough concentration to be useful in fighting them.]
# I'm not going to buy into any arguement with you lot, but this sounds a tad
absurd to me.
Popular opinion from all and sundry in the public domain implies home made LVDC
generators {or any other LVDC generator as far as I'm concerned} produce high
ion content, how can this be so if the above statement is true?
Most everywhere one looks one will find statements of solutions containing 60%
and up to 95% ion content. Combine that with decades of testimonials of
successful home produced EIS/CS usage and I find the above statement
incredulous. Are there differing forms of silver ions? I think not.
I'm no chemist or hold any other qualifications, I'm just a mug punter {or just
a mug if you like as I'm not phased} but now it sounds distinctly like a
marketing blurb not unlike any other readily available in the public domain.
Ion content will be predominantly dependant on WHEN that solution is ingested
surely. To maximise ingestion of ion content, that solution should be ingested
ASAP after production...Yes/No? For every hour thereafter a percentage of
those ions will be lost to ion clusters {particles} until a point of solution
stabilization has been reached...Yes/No?
I contend that nobody can make hard and fast statements because most people
will have there own design generator setups/procedures/practices and
environments for the production thereof.
The above statement implies that anyone who produces their own product, using
their own generator setups, produces a useless product? Sorry, gotta take
acception to that.
My lab analysis from 2008 showed a clear solution 10 days old was 51%/49%
ion/particle ratio and another clear solution approximately 24 hours old was
65%/35% ion/particle ratio. What can I say?
Of course, some will probly say the lab didn't do something right or some such
thing...phooee, I'm satisfied.
N.
