from:"Garnet

I recently read up on the medicinal uses of Henna, the plant used for
dyeing hair.

Apparently it is a traditional anti-fungal treatment. But it will make
your toes brown

for a week or so.

I buy it at internatural.com by the pound for my hair. I never have any
scalp fungus
or dandruff. Different colors have different amounts of Henna, the red
is the pure

henna, other colors have other plants added.

I am not thinking of trying it on my toes, but will wait until sandal
season is over. Toe
fungus is more of a problem during the winter for me anyway, due to
wearing shoes

more.

Janet

brooks76...@lycos.com wrote:

Recently, we concluded a brief.but promising DIY protocol
designed to address toenail fungi colonies. This simple methodology yielded
surprisingly effective abatement/control of expressing fungal insults involving
the toenailsmost especially the great toe.
The procedure was as follows: (1) a brief, preliminary foot-soak in
warm tap-water (5 minutes average); (2) Using a solution of saturated
bicarbonate of soda
(70% by volume), blended with 30% by volume (Full Strength DMSO)...liberally
applied via
eye dropper or Q-Tip type applicator [thoroughly soaked)]insuring the
crease between
the nail wall and the adjoining tissue is filled with liquid, apply (3) the beam of a
conventional laser pointer (or about a 3500 mw LED bulb)held very close
(within
about 1/8th inch of tissue/nail surface).for a total exposure time of 10
minutes [approximately] per toenail. Actually this works out to be about 2.5
minutes per side of
the nail, proper. No harm was caused by the occasional, accidental touching of
the toenail/tissue surfaces. Although our arrangement was somewhat more
elaborate (using 4 units in a single assembly) and allowed us to reduce the
total time to less than 3 minutes per toenailtime is, probably, less
expensive for mostthan assembling the more extensive array.
One interesting phenomenon was that from among a family of presenting
fungal agents (4 varieties, in total) NONE proved resistant to the control
effects of the sodium bicarbonate.
Interestingly, the sodium bicarbonate X DMSO , alone, yielded quite
acceptable control---albeit over a rather extended period of time (10 to 12
days).adding
the laser or LED ancillary function, dramatically accelerated the favorable
response time (5 to 7 days). This protocol was employed 3 times daily for the first 3 days and twice daily thereafter.

In the worst cases (where the entire under-surface of the nail was
presenting
an insult) the time required for favorable resolution was around 30 days.
This was not the only protocol that proved effectivebut was by far the most COST-EFFECTIVE in both time and expense. This protocol proved to be simple, effective and economical.ideal for the DIY experimenter.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.

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Re: CSRE: Urea for dry skin RE: Urea for dry skin - and hair




Sealing the skin prevents the skin from breathing. The skin is our 
largest eliminative
organ so not something that is good to seal. You need to be able to 
sweat out toxins.
Sweating is essential to regular detox, even if you are not aware of it 
you are sweating

through out the day.

Eating a diet rich in essential fatty acids will keep skin moist. One 
tablespoon of Walnut
Oil a day can make a big difference, it has almost 2,000 mg of Omega 3. 
Butter has Omega
6 in the activated form of Gamma Linolenic Acid. Cook with Ghee, 
clarified butter to avoid

dairy protiens if you are sensitive to dairy.

Emu Oil is a good moisturizer because it penetrates to subdermal layers 
and does not
sit on top of the skin and seal it. Takes tiny amounts and totally soaks 
in, does not leave

a greasy film.

Fresh urine is the cheapest and best skin treatment, if you don't mind 
the concept. It is
sterile and best of all always free and available. Also a great hair 
conditioner. The odor
is not a problem as it disappears as it dries. Morning urine is a bit 
strong though, so
2nd void is probably more esthetic, although morning urine is more 
therapeutic. Makes
the healthiest enema for ridding the colon of Candida and also a good 
soak for athletes'

foot fungus.

Best not to use urine if you are doing a lot of drugs, street or 
prescription due to possibly
metabolite content. It is a 5,000 year old treatment in the pharmacopeia 
of all the indienous
people on the planet. Seven different drugs are made from human urine 
including the

clot busting drug urokinase.

Janet

Norton, Steve wrote:

Agreed. I think it is a good idea.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 1:31 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL:Re: CSRE: Urea for dry skin RE: Urea for dry skin
- and hair

That is true, however, after pulling moisture into the skin an emollient

such as coconut oil or lanolin can be used to prevent its loss.
PT



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Re: CSRe: Question please

Silver inactivates the enzyme responsible for cellular respiration in 
single celled organisms.


I do not know what enzyme that is. I read this on silver medicine.org - 
I think, it
was a number of years ago. And I do not know if there is any proof. 
Except that no one I know

has died from CS, killed their dog, cat, horse or other critters.

On CS as birth control, my thought would be (a) that you were joking and 
(b) that it will
not kill an ovum because it is a mammalian cell that has a different 
process of cellular

respiration from single celled organisms.

Obviously that is not happening to anyone we know. Right?

Janet

Ode Coyote wrote:




  CS only kills single celled organisms.
 Most parasites are multi celled..except some like Malaria that have 
a single cell stage in their life cycle..[according to American 
Biotech who claims to be able to cure malaria with CS in as little as 
5 days and also says it cures HIV, but in my ONE case, though it does 
seem to control HIV pretty well, it wasn't a cure ..so far]


Hummm, could CS be used for birth control?

Ode

At 08:01 PM 8/12/2010 +0005, you wrote:

Hi Melly,

 Does colloidal silver kill parasites in the blood? How does one take
 it?   Thanks.   Melly

What kind of parasites are you thinking about in particular? Are you
seeing a doctor about the situation? What do they say?

Also, what kind of CS are you talking about? What source, how made?

If it's a commercial product, or made with a generator you bought,
you're best off following the manufacturer's directions.

There's not been much mainstream research done on the kind of CS we
usually talk about here. Most of what we have to go on is anecdotal
reports, and I don't remember much about parasites, generally, from
either source.

Let us know more and we'll see what other folks have to offer?

Be well!

Mike D.




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Re: CSRe: Question please

I think it also depends on whether  you are talking about single celled 
parasites or something

more complex like a nematode.

Protozoa are single celled.

Janet

MaryAnn Helland wrote:
I have to cautiously disagree here.  We have been succesfully treating 
our EPM horses with CS for years, the outcome of which is to put the 
disease into complete remission.  EPM is a progressively debilitating 
protozoal infection, and the protozoa responsible very strongly 
resembles the parasite involved in Malaria -- so much so that many 
alternate health folks recommend using cinchona bark to treat 
EPM because cinchona bark is effective for treating malaria. 
 
However -- the question was *does colloidal silver kill parasites in 
the blood?* -- and it's the *in the blood* part that makes me 
hesitate.  By the time that we realize that a horse has EPM, the 
protozoa (parasites) are in the spinal column causing the symptoms 
that make us aware that the horse is sick.  No one is certain exactly 
how the protozoa get from the stomach to the spinal cord, but the 
bloodstream is likely.  If we knew earlier that the horse was sick, 
it's entirely possible that CS administered earlier would kill the 
protozoa while they were still in the bloodstream -- since it 
apparently kills them when they are in spinal fluid and in tissue.
 
So -- I would have to say that *it depends*.  On exactly what 
parasites you're referring to?  And taking Colloidal Silver orally 
typically resolves anything that it's going to, although I personally 
know of it being used intravenously successfully as well.
MA 



*From:* Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com 
mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com


I am not aware of colloidal silver killing any parasites, such as 
worms, malaria and so forth.  However MMS is excellent for doing so.


Marshall

Melly Bag wrote:
 Does colloidal silver kill parasites in the blood? How does one take it?
  Thanks.
  Melly



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Re: CSRE: Urea for dry skin RE: Urea for dry skin - and hair

 the skin.  Both coconut oil and 
lanolin have been used by varying cultures for skin protection for 
many years.  Emu oil never did anything for me and it is estimated 
that most people in developed countries get more Omega 3 than they need.


I know that urine is supposed to be sterile but I doubt it is the case 
for many people these days with all the subacute UTIs that are 
around... especially the ones that come with aging.  Infant urine may 
be a good choice if you have one around.

PT
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2010 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: CSRE: Urea for dry skin RE: Urea for dry skin - and hair





Sealing the skin prevents the skin from breathing. The skin is our 
largest eliminative
organ so not something that is good to seal. You need to be able to 
sweat out toxins.
Sweating is essential to regular detox, even if you are not aware of 
it you are sweating

through out the day.

Eating a diet rich in essential fatty acids will keep skin moist. One 
tablespoon of Walnut
Oil a day can make a big difference, it has almost 2,000 mg of Omega 
3. Butter has Omega
6 in the activated form of Gamma Linolenic Acid. Cook with Ghee, 
clarified butter to avoid

dairy protiens if you are sensitive to dairy.

Emu Oil is a good moisturizer because it penetrates to subdermal 
layers and does not
sit on top of the skin and seal it. Takes tiny amounts and totally 
soaks in, does not leave

a greasy film.

Fresh urine is the cheapest and best skin treatment, if you don't 
mind the concept. It is
sterile and best of all always free and available. Also a great hair 
conditioner. The odor
is not a problem as it disappears as it dries. Morning urine is a bit 
strong though, so
2nd void is probably more esthetic, although morning urine is more 
therapeutic. Makes
the healthiest enema for ridding the colon of Candida and also a good 
soak for athletes'

foot fungus.

Best not to use urine if you are doing a lot of drugs, street or 
prescription due to possibly
metabolite content. It is a 5,000 year old treatment in the 
pharmacopeia of all the indienous
people on the planet. Seven different drugs are made from human urine 
including the

clot busting drug urokinase.

Janet

Norton, Steve wrote:

Agreed. I think it is a good idea.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Friday, 
August 13, 2010 1:31 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL:Re: CSRE: Urea for dry skin RE: Urea for dry 
skin

- and hair

That is true, however, after pulling moisture into the skin an 
emollient


such as coconut oil or lanolin can be used to prevent its loss.
PT



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Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2010 #685

Diabetics can do urine therapy but it requires more knowledge and strict 
pH monitoring. Not something

for a diabetic to do casually.

Topical urine therapy is most likely not going to pose a problem, but 
again I would not advise someone

to do any health practice without checking into it thoroughly.

Janet

Melly Bag wrote:
I asked about CS killing parasite in the blood because a friend of 
mine asked me if how she could kill them. I thank you all for your 
reply.  We will have to go look for a remedy.
 
Janet, on using urine to heal, is it true that diabetics should not 
drink it?  Thanks.
 
Melly
 



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/silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com/* wrote:



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Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #685
To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, August 13, 2010, 8:03 PM




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Re: CSdry skin

I am a big fan of silica. I eat lots of onions, lightly cooked or raw 
for the silica content. It is also in greens and in
some herbs that can be taken as teas or caps. Nettles, Oat Straw and 
Horse Tail aka Shave Grass are three of

the highest content.

It makes my hair and fingernails thicker, stronger and grow faster. So I 
am sure you are right about skin pliability.


It is also essential to the absorption and utilization of Magnesium and 
Calcium.


I have seen a specialized form suggested in heavy metal detox protocols 
of Dr Dietrich Klinghardt.


http://www.ogonek.us/print_product_info.php?products_id=714

http://planetthrive.com/2010/04/hpukpu-protocol-for-lyme-and-autism/

Janet

Shirley Reed wrote:
  Some, if not a most, of the symptoms of dry skin-scaly, patchy, 
wrinkly, etc.- is due to a silica deficiency.  If you use Eidon brand 
liquid silica supplement, you will quickly find out if that is part of 
your problem or not.  That stuff quickly helped my own skin and gave 
my whole body a feeling of much greater pliability.  Somehow, the word 
pliability seems to fit better than flexibility.  I have no experience 
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Re: CSDoes CS work on a skin rash

2010-08-09 Thread Garnet_LDN

If it is after a shower and you are on city water you may be reacting to 
the chlorine or other toxins in city water. You might want to buy a 
shower filter if you are on city water. Most allergies and sensitivities 
are related to the gut and immune balance. The liver is part of this but 
liver dysfunction is an effect not a cause.


Candida can also cause skin rashes, but where there is Candida over 
growth there is immune insufficiency for one reason or another. Fungus 
is an opportunist preying on a weakened organism. It is not the initial 
cause although given the right growth conditions, it can bring down a 
space station, as it did to Mer, so it is little wonder it can bring 
down a human body when other conditions have weakened the system.


Skin reacts to irritants and allergens, and many times a rash is a 
histamine reaction to an allergen. When the body is in an inflamed state 
it becomes more sensitive so it depends on the overall state of health 
and oxidative stress levels. When excessive levels of Nitric Oxide are 
being produced in the mitochondria a complex chain of events occurs in 
the cell that can lead to allergies, immune insufficiency, cancer, 
cardiac disease, CFS, FM, MCS and neurotransmitter imbalances.


One way to test for allergy to food is to mix it with a little distilled 
water and put a spot on the forearm, palm side, let it dry over night 
and check for a reaction in the morning. This is suggested in the GAPS 
diet protocol as a way to check for food sensitivity while the gut is in 
the process of healing from leaky gut syndrome. As the gut heals the 
sensitivities resolve, gradually and foods that were once problematic 
can be eaten.


So I disagree that is is 'always' the liver although the Cytochrome P 
450 proteins in the liver and elsewhere that detox the body can be 
deficient in high oxidative stress.This is not a liver problem per se, 
it is an oxidative stress problem, and is effecting heme protein 
synthesis in all cells not just liver. So addressing it as a liver issue 
alone will not heal this. Increasing Glutathione production may help but 
more anti-oxidants are needed, Co Q 10, Vit C, Vit E,

Pycnogenol are a few that will help.

If there are errors in heme metabolism then B6 and Zinc may be needed 
along with a host of supporting nutrients. One test is too look for 
Pyrroles in the urine. A hallmark is low stress tolerance and anxiety 
among others. It is a spectrum disorder so no absolute markers, and if 
tests for pyrroles are negative it dose not mean that is not in play, 
could just be that the test was done at a low stress time or that the 
sample was mishandled, as Pyrroles are heat and light labile.


http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria

Leaky gut allows partially digested food to get into inappropriate 
places in the peritoneal cavity where the immune system perceives it as 
foreign substance and reacts. When the gut wall is healed and no longer 
leaks then these food allergies and often chemical allergies are no 
longer active. This has nothing to do with the liver and everything to 
do with the health of the gut wall. Many feel that pyrroles may play a 
role, oxidative stress is present and the body of some genotypes are 
more susceptible, can't handle the sugars and high carbs, rancid fats, 
environmental chems, antibiotics . . . etc that other more functional 
genotypes are able to cope with.


http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/GAPShelp is a good list for 
learning about gut healing and food sensitivity.



Janet



Leslie Blake wrote:


I’ve been reading the posts on the silver list for a few weeks now 
hoping to pick up some tips and advice. Time to ask a question I think.


Dose CS have any effect of skin ? I’ve had a strange (benign) rash, 
starting a few years ago, on my upper arms then it progressed down 
each side of the torso and a bit in the groin area. It sometimes is 
slightly raised but right now it’s fairly feint. It’s usually more 
pronounced after a show. It doesn’t itch – it’s just there. I’ve 
consulted dermatologists in the UK and USA without success. If I apply 
DMSO it seems to expose a lot more rash in otherwise clear areas but 
doesn’t reduce it.


Might CS help me with this ? Any guidance would be appreciated.

Thanks in anticipation.

Les




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Re: CSAnyone see the Today Show garbage about colloidal silver?

2010-08-05 Thread Garnet_LDN


Do they understand the concept of FUD ?

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt

You can lead a horse to water, but . . . .


Janet


Dan Nave wrote:

Tell 'em to grow up...
Dan

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:02 PM, starshar stars...@comcast.net 
mailto:stars...@comcast.net wrote:


Two of my dearly beloved children (anyway, they used to be!)
caught it on ABC World News. Both are freaking out because good
ol’ Mom gave them CS to help kill a respiratory infection. These
are, ahem, ‘adults’.

I really need something concise, with “professional” credibility
for a rebuttal! And I am a Certified Nutrtition Consultant!

I’ve long paraphrased a well known biblical saying, “A prophet is
without honor in HER own country”.

Me’n Rodney; we get no respect!

Sharon

Does anyone seriously think that the lame stream network, MSNBC,
has any credibility?

Who watches them anyway? I think they have a viewership of about 8
people.


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From: Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com
mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSAnyone see the Today Show garbage about colloidal
silver?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 6:22 PM

send it again



*From:* needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wed, August 4, 2010 6:13:49 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSAnyone see the Today Show garbage about
colloidal silver?

I wrote a comment and somehow it didn't go through!!! Surprising?

PT

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*Sent:* Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:24 PM

*Subject:* CSAnyone see the Today Show garbage about
colloidal silver?

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/38542031/ns/health-alternative_medicine/





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Re: CSa possible DMSO CS inhalant?

2010-08-04 Thread Garnet_LDN

I use DMSO and CS in my nebulizer for lung infections. I make my own EIS 
~10ppm and I mix that with DMSO.  Two parts DMSO and eight parts EIS.


Janet

A. Reid Harvey wrote:

Hi All,
 
I'm in good health, however I have a lingering infection in my lung, 
so every so often I cough uncontrolably. I seem to recall that mixing 
CS with DMSO, then inhaling this, could be helpful. But I've 
completely forgotten the regime and the proper mix, etc. Can someone 
please refresh my memory?
 
Reid



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Re: peripheral neuropathy Re: CSWas: Dr. Simeon's hCG Diet; Is: homeopathic HCG link

2010-08-03 Thread Garnet_LDN

4500 mg is higher than any dose of B6 I have heard of even for 
Pyrroluria. The highest dose I had read of for that disorder is 2000 mg 
a day of B6, less if you are using P5P, the active form of B6.


B6 = Pyridoxine Hydrochloride

P5P = Pyridoxal 5 Phosphate

The body converts B6 to P5P through a process of phosphorylation, which 
can be deficient in some individuals with Pyrrole Disorder. P5P is 
thought to be equivalent to five or ten times the same amount of B6.


New Yahoo List:   http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria/

Janet

jaxi wrote:

Okay is it just me or is that an insanely high dose of B vitamins?
This is what we're referring to here right?

Jaxi

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:35 PM,  cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote:
  

She was taking up to 4500 mg per day for weeks.

   Chuck
Invertebrate punster - so slug me!




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CSDMSO Gel Vs 99.9% Pure

2010-08-02 Thread Garnet_LDN


Undiluted liquid from a Farm Supply is cheaper, but you will need to dilute
to various concentrations depending on where you are using it.

I use 5% in eyes and nose, 20% on head, neck or face, stronger on areas 
where the skin is not sensitive and there is some body fat underneath.


Individual sensitivity can vary, so best to start low and work up, from 
20%. I have used
it 70 - 99% on my hands, for burns, when I did not have time to dilute 
it. But it does dry out

your skin and makes it look funny.

It releases Histamine from Mast Cells so until that local supply is 
depleted you will get redness and itching right after you apply it. 
Drying of the skin can also occur so moisturizing
with Aloe Gel or Emu Oil, my favorite, is recommended. Emu Oil goes on 
dry and penetrates to subdermal layers, is non-comedogenic ( not greasy 
) and takes very little.


Gel is easy to apply, so is roll on. Gel works really well for animals 
because you can work
it into the fur but you are paying more. I often use the liquid on my 
animals and just squirted it on with a syringe or painted it on with a 
clean brush. Some people like the gel for convenience.


Always dilute with distilled water and ALWAYS add the DMSO to the water 
and never
add water to concentrated DMSO, because it releases a lot of heat, 
enough to melt a plastic

container.

You many want to join the DMSO group, check out the Files and Links 
sections.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

Janet

jaxi wrote:

99.9% pure versus gel versus diluted - DMSO - opinions???

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Peter Converse pconve...@primus.ca wrote:
  

or try  www.iHealthTree.com

Peter


- Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net
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Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: CSstages of warts with cs




Farm supply store
or

 www.DMSO.com

and some small country stores in the boonies

Ode

At 11:26 AM 7/31/2010 -0500, you wrote:
  

Where do people get their DMSO?

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Garnet_LDN garnet_...@austin.rr.com
wrote:


When I have used this method on skin tags and moles the appearance 
changes
as they tissue is dying. The skin tags have turned black and crusty 
before
falling off. The moles have gotten
lighter and sloughed a layer at a time. The new growth of healthy skin
  

is


from the bottom up or
inner areas to outer areas so it may look worse as it pushes the wart 
out
because the wart tissue is dying. I have even seen cracking and
  

bleeding. So


looking worse is a good sign to me but as always monitor for 
inflammation,
swelling and infection -- not likely with CS but still something to be
  

aware


of.

Janet

Lin wrote:
  

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Re: CSColloidal Silver Wiith Zeolite

2010-08-02 Thread Garnet_LDN

Not that most people will notice the improper use of the word but 
A_d_sorb is used incorrectly in your post. To take into the interior is 
A_b_sorb.


ad·sorb
–verb (used with object) Physical Chemistry .
to gather (a gas, liquid, or dissolved substance) on a surface in a 
condensed layer: Charcoal will adsorb gases.


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Norton, Steve wrote:
 
Zeolite was recently discussed but not regarding its use combined with

colloidal silver. When CS is mixed with zeolite the zeolite adsorbs the
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Re: CSFDA-Warns-Consumers-of-Serious-Harm

2010-08-01 Thread Garnet_LDN


This comment was on the page:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/207531-Snake-Oil-Humbles-Nexus-Conference


Colloidal Silver has been recently re-classified as a 'pesticide' and 
can now only be sold as 'water purification drops' by outlets previously 
stocking it. 



Just wondering if it is true?


Janet

MaryAnn Helland wrote:
This *expose* of MMS came through on another list -- thought it might 
be of interest to some here.

MA

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Re: CSWas: Dr. Simeon's hCG Diet; Is: homeopathic HCG link

2010-08-01 Thread Garnet_LDN

Eating 500 calories a day would cause you to lose 20 lbs in 23 days 
without HCG, some of that is going to be water as electrolytes are lost 
from such a restricted diet, the body will not be able to hold the water 
in the tissues. It sounds very dangerous. Electrolyte imbalance can lead 
to heart failure.

Janet

Sandy wrote:


From what I've read about this diet your hair falls out by the
hand full and I'm just not up for that I do not care how over
weight I was. I've also read of complaints about the wrinkles from
such fast weight loss.

I'm wondering how lasting the effects of this diet are? Do you
gain most of the weight back once you're off of it? 500 calories a
day is not a healthy way to lose weight in my opinion.

Not trying to rain on anyone's parade but I caution any who try
this diet to research it thoroughly.

Sandy

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*Subject:* Re: CSWas: Dr. Simeon's hCG Diet; Is: homeopathic
HCG link

Just caught this threadHow timely, Tomorrow I will have
just finished my 1st round of the HcG diet.It lasts for 23
days by taking .36 cc homeopathically for 1 bottle 23 days. I
lost 20 lbs in the 23 days. It was amazing as I do not lose
easily. I was not hungry nor hyper on it. The instructions say
to go on a maintenance diet for the next 3 weeks then you
wait  some time before starting another round if you need to.
Facebook has a good supportive group. It is very strict and
restrictive but you are just not hungry. I did a lot of
reading and psyching myself up to start it and am glad I did.
I feel great. The only days I did not lose was days when I had
cheated while out socially with friends, that is your downfall
the social aspect of eating. 


--- On *Sun, 8/1/10, sol /sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com/* wrote:


From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
Subject: Re: CSWas: Dr. Simeon's hCG Diet; Is:
homeopathic HCG link
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 4:12 PM

I assume it is like everything else--nothing works for
everyone, but everything works for someone.
sol


Renee wrote:
 If someone tries this, let us know.  I had read where
the homeopathic method did not work.  You never know who
to believe!
  Samala,
 Renee  /---Original Message---/
  [Lisa] Nenah, do you have a link for the homeopathic
recipe for the HCG?
 





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Re: CSstages of warts with cs

2010-07-31 Thread Garnet_LDN

When I have used this method on skin tags and moles the appearance 
changes as they tissue is dying. The skin tags have turned black and 
crusty before falling off. The moles have gotten
lighter and sloughed a layer at a time. The new growth of healthy skin 
is from the bottom up or
inner areas to outer areas so it may look worse as it pushes the wart 
out because the wart tissue is dying. I have even seen cracking and 
bleeding. So looking worse is a good sign to me but as always monitor 
for inflammation, swelling and infection -- not likely with CS but still 
something to be aware of.


Janet

Lin wrote:
 



My 7 year old grand daugher has common warts that cover one of her
thumbs.  In spots they are raised up 1/8 inch.
Finally, got her Mom and Dad to agree to trying cs to get rid of
them.  After a few days of treating 2 times per day
with EIS/DMSO, they have turned darker in color and rough on top.
Can anyone tell me what to expect to see as we continue with this
treatment?  Mom and Dad are a little concerned
with how the warts look right now.
 
Lin





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Re: CSstages of warts with cs

2010-07-31 Thread Garnet_LDN

That's interesting about warts being a Zinc deficiency. I wonder if that 
is also true of

skin tags and moles, all said to be caused by Human Papilloma Virus.

Pyrrole Disorder is known to cause Zinc and B6 deficiency that can not 
be compensated
by dietary sources and requires supplements to correct. The lack of Zn 
causes heavy
metals to be substituted where Zn should be in the body, leading to a 
lack of excretion

of the metals. Many Autistic kids test positive and benefit from treatment.

It is associated with MCS, FM, CFS, MS, allergies, mood disorders, sun 
sensitivity, cancer, heart disease, immune imbalance toward Th-1, stress 
intolerance and auto immune disorders. It is thought to run in families. 
There is a urine test but since the treatment is with
vitamins and minerals there is little funding for research. It's been 
documented since the
50's though through studies of groups in mental hospitals, some of whom 
recover from severe schizophrenia with simple B vitamin supplementation. 
20% of the mood disorder

population tests positive for high levels of urinary pyrroles.

I started a new list on Yahoo and there are two new Facebook Groups on 
Pyrroluria,
the old name for the disorder, due to the presence of high levels of 
pyrrole metabolites

in the urine.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Pyrroluria/

The list has a great many links to articles and treatment protocols as 
well as video presentations by known experts like Dietrich Klinghardt MD 
and Bill Walsh PhD, founder
of the Pfeiffer Center in Chicago that treats mood disorders with 
vitamins and minerals.



Janet



Tony Moody wrote:

Hi Lin,

That is perfect. warts turn darker because wart has died and the blood 
vessels supplying the wart have dried. If you look closely 'through' the 
wart  you may see tiny dots which are probably the dried up veins and 
arteries. The top of wart will soften and be sort of rub-offable. 
eventually the wart will fall off and there will be a smooth pink 
depression which will soon grow out completely. Try not to pick at it 
because you could possibly cause a wound and leave a scar.  

Said to be due to a zinc deficiency. 


OK,
Tony

On 31 Jul 2010 at 7:17, Lin wrote about :
Subject : Re: CSstages of warts with cs

  

My 7 year old grand daugher has common warts that cover one of her 
thumbs. In spots they are raised up 1/8 inch. 
Finally, got her Mom and Dad to agree to trying cs to get rid of them. 
After a few days of treating 2 times per day 
with EIS/DMSO, they have turned darker in color and rough on top. 
Can anyone tell me what to expect to see as we continue with this 
treatment? Mom and Dad are a little concerned 
with how the warts look right now. 

Lin 





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Re: CSstages of warts with cs

2010-07-31 Thread Garnet_LDN

Many local feed stores, farm supplies, large animal veterinarians and 
Tractor Supply Stores, if you have those in your area carry DMSO.


Janet


From the links section of the Yahoo DMSO list, here is a list of 
internet sources.


http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO

KV Vet Supply
http://www.kvvet.com/

DMSO.COM
http://dmso.com/products.htm   


DMSO.Net
http://www.dmso.net


Jacob Lab
Phone: 503-636-1280  sa...@jacoblab.com
http://www.jacoblab.com/   


Jeffers Farm and Vet Supply
http://1800jeffers.com


Life's Vigor
Phone: 1-661-589-1818 13916  serv...@lifesvigor.com
http://www.lifesvigor.com/prod/2620/   


My Vita Net
http://www.myvitanet.com/dmso.html


Pet Supplies 4 Less
http://www.petsupplies4less.com



jaxi wrote:

Where do people get their DMSO?

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Garnet_LDN garnet_...@austin.rr.com wrote:
  

When I have used this method on skin tags and moles the appearance changes
as they tissue is dying. The skin tags have turned black and crusty before
falling off. The moles have gotten
lighter and sloughed a layer at a time. The new growth of healthy skin is
from the bottom up or
inner areas to outer areas so it may look worse as it pushes the wart out
because the wart tissue is dying. I have even seen cracking and bleeding. So
looking worse is a good sign to me but as always monitor for inflammation,
swelling and infection -- not likely with CS but still something to be aware
of.

Janet

Lin wrote:




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Re: CSanimals - OT

2010-07-30 Thread Garnet_LDN

Can she turn some chickens or guineas out where the horses are picking 
up the fleas?


There are beneficial nematodes that will kill the flea larvae but the 
soil has be to kept moist.


Dusting sulfur might help but I am not sure if it would bother the 
horses, they rub their legs a lot with their mouth and face.


Vinegar in the drinking water might help.

Janet

needling around wrote:
Thanks.  She has already done that, that's why I wrote.  There is 
nothing working.

PT

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*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Friday, July 30, 2010 6:55 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSanimals - OT

Go to a Tac Store where they sell horse  livestock stuff. , they
will know what works in your area.  Good Luck
 
Tel Tofflemire

Dewey, AZ.



*From:* needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
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*Sent:* Fri, July 30, 2010 3:02:29 PM
*Subject:* CSanimals - OT

Hi,
Is there anyone that know of something that will deter biting
flies?  A friend's horses are just being tortured this year. 
After being bitten the bites swell and bleed.  If there are enough

bites in an area then the whole area swells.
 
Thanks for any help you can give.

PT




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Re: CSanimals - OT

2010-07-30 Thread Garnet_LDN

Sorry I read it as Fleas. There are beneficial wasps that will help with 
flies, Arbico.com sells them and you have to put them out once a month.


You can buy fly sheets but if there are too many trees they will destroy 
them.


Are they in a large turn out area or a barn and small paddock. That 
makes a difference in how to control the flies.


Janet

needling around wrote:

Thanks.
PT

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*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Friday, July 30, 2010 8:32 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSanimals - OT

Call up a horse organization in your area and get their wisdom;
here with the flies,  horses are wearing garb to protect
themselves. Do google search--there has to be something.  Try
another feed store--can't imagine there is no help!  Don't quit
till you find the answers and then help others.

I did google search under: natural horse protection from flies
Hope this helps find answers for the horse...easy to say no help
but there has to be just like my dog who got healed of lupus

Keep us posted.
carol


*From:* needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Fri, July 30, 2010 6:05:59 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSanimals - OT

Thanks.  She has already done that, that's why I wrote.  There is
nothing working.
PT

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*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Friday, July 30, 2010 6:55 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSanimals - OT

Go to a Tac Store where they sell horse  livestock stuff. ,
they will know what works in your area.  Good Luck
 
Tel Tofflemire

Dewey, AZ.



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*Sent:* Fri, July 30, 2010 3:02:29 PM
*Subject:* CSanimals - OT

Hi,
Is there anyone that know of something that will deter biting
flies?  A friend's horses are just being tortured this year. 
After being bitten the bites swell and bleed.  If there are

enough bites in an area then the whole area swells.
 
Thanks for any help you can give.

PT




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Re: CSanimals - OT

2010-07-30 Thread Garnet_LDN

Some horses have reacted badly to War Paint, it is very strong. Best to 
patch test first.


Janet

Gayla Roberts wrote:
War Paint from Farnam is a very good fly repellant. One stripe down the 
nose, one along the back will keep them off for a week.

Gayla

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*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Friday, July 30, 2010 3:55 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSanimals - OT

Go to a Tac Store where they sell horse  livestock stuff. , they
will know what works in your area.  Good Luck
 
Tel Tofflemire

Dewey, AZ.



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mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Fri, July 30, 2010 3:02:29 PM
*Subject:* CSanimals - OT

Hi,
Is there anyone that know of something that will deter biting
flies?  A friend's horses are just being tortured this year. 
After being bitten the bites swell and bleed.  If there are enough

bites in an area then the whole area swells.
 
Thanks for any help you can give.

PT




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Re: CSZeolite - Does it Really Work?

2010-07-25 Thread Garnet_LDN

That's the answer I got when I asked about the Aluminum in Diatomaceous 
Earth, that it was inert is not a problem.


Janet

Ode Coyote wrote:



  There's little that's more inert than Aluminum Oxide. [One of the 
harder sandpaper grits ]


ode

At 09:40 PM 7/24/2010 -0500, you wrote:
Zeolite is silica and so is DE, so for the money I would go with food 
grade DE. Actually I could choose clay, like Eaton's Three Clay blend 
over the DE. www.eytonsearth.com has

a link to his commercial clay site.

They all come out of the ground. And you need to know who you are 
buying from since any of them can be contaminated. DE has significant 
Aluminum Oxide and while it is not suppose to be bioavailable it 
makes me uncomfortable knowing it is on the analysis sheet.
DE is also very powdery and fine, so is clay but it is not so fluffy 
so might be easier to work with. There is a lot of data on the 
absorptive and adsorptive properties of clay.


I would not buy Zeolite from an MLM, period. I used to buy 50lb bags 
for $25 and then it started being marketed in one pound net bags for 
$12.00 at dog shows as a deodarizer.
I had been putting pounds of it in shallow boxes under the beds and 
couch to absorb
odors for years. But I would not have at $12.00 a pound. This was 20 
years ago.


Janet



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Re: CSZeolite - Does it Really Work?

2010-07-25 Thread Garnet_LDN


The idea that DE is killing parasites is questioned by many people

I tired it and it did not help in a litter of puppies I had. Gave it a good
long trial and even increased the amount to ridiculous quantities.

Also if it gets wet it supposedly does not work on bugs in the dirt, so
how is it that it works in the body where it is wet?

If I am concerned about parasites I am going to go after them with
an herbal remedy that I  KNOW is going to kill them.

Janet

Paul Steel wrote:

But won't de help with parasites and clay won't ?

Thanks...I am still learning a ton from all u folks 





On Jul 25, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Garnet_LDN garnet_...@austin.rr.com wrote:

That's the answer I got when I asked about the Aluminum in Diatomaceous Earth, 
that it was inert is not a problem.

Janet

Ode Coyote wrote:


 There's little that's more inert than Aluminum Oxide. [One of the harder 
sandpaper grits ]

ode

At 09:40 PM 7/24/2010 -0500, you wrote:
Zeolite is silica and so is DE, so for the money I would go with food grade DE. 
Actually I could choose clay, like Eaton's Three Clay blend over the DE. 
www.eytonsearth.com has
a link to his commercial clay site.

They all come out of the ground. And you need to know who you are buying from 
since any of them can be contaminated. DE has significant Aluminum Oxide and 
while it is not suppose to be bioavailable it makes me uncomfortable knowing it 
is on the analysis sheet.
DE is also very powdery and fine, so is clay but it is not so fluffy so might 
be easier to work with. There is a lot of data on the absorptive and adsorptive 
properties of clay.

I would not buy Zeolite from an MLM, period. I used to buy 50lb bags for $25 
and then it started being marketed in one pound net bags for $12.00 at dog 
shows as a deodarizer.
I had been putting pounds of it in shallow boxes under the beds and couch to 
absorb
odors for years. But I would not have at $12.00 a pound. This was 20 years ago.

Janet


  



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Re: CSZeolite - Does it Really Work?

2010-07-24 Thread Garnet_LDN

Zeolite is silica and so is DE, so for the money I would go with food 
grade DE. Actually I could choose clay, like Eaton's Three Clay blend 
over the DE. www.eytonsearth.com has

a link to his commercial clay site.

They all come out of the ground. And you need to know who you are buying 
from since any of them can be contaminated. DE has significant Aluminum 
Oxide and while it is not suppose to be bioavailable it makes me 
uncomfortable knowing it is on the analysis sheet.
DE is also very powdery and fine, so is clay but it is not so fluffy so 
might be easier to work with. There is a lot of data on the absorptive 
and adsorptive properties of clay.


I would not buy Zeolite from an MLM, period. I used to buy 50lb bags for 
$25 and then it started being marketed in one pound net bags for $12.00 
at dog shows as a deodarizer.
I had been putting pounds of it in shallow boxes under the beds and 
couch to absorb
odors for years. But I would not have at $12.00 a pound. This was 20 
years ago.


Janet

Peter Converse wrote:

Hi Folks,
 
As Steve mentioned regarding zeolite, it's just about impossible to 
find some unbiased information while researching, due to the MLM factor.
 
It's kind of funny that he mentioned this because I have been recently 
looking into zeolite once again, trying to dig up some truth. 
Man...is it ever hard to tell fact from fiction when it comes to this 
topic!!
 
Back in 2007 I did try the MLM liquid zeolite for a few months and I 
did actually seem to notice some great improvements in the way I had 
been feeling, relative to heavy metal toxicity and overall immune 
health. The cost of the product kept me from going on with it any 
longer though.
 
I am presently considering trying either the liquid zeolite (NCD) once 
again, trying Garry Gordon's nano zeolite product or giving the 
Zeolite Pure product a shot. Can anyone make any suggestions about any 
of these based on personal experiences or experiences of family 
members or close friends?
 
Does anyone have any well grounded scientific facts about the 
effectiveness of any of these products to permanently bind toxins?
 
The company selling the MLM brand has had so much controversy in its 
history I really don't know what I can believe from these people. I 
see their product testimonials and I have to wonder how much truth 
could be in any of them. Comments?
 
What about alternatives to zeolite to serve the same purpose of 
binding and escorting heavy metals and other toxins from the body? Ideas?
 
Many thanks,
 
Peter



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Re: CSLow Dose Naltrexone

2010-07-22 Thread Garnet_LDN


It ships from India.



Jane MacRoss wrote:
Truly everything I get from the US is opened at customs - nothing from 
France - I have had bottles mushrooms from France (!!) but US?  Oh 
dear - I might risk it  see how I go tho


thanks!!

Jane

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garnet_...@austin.rr.com

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Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: CSLow Dose Naltrexone


People here order it and it ships in a plain brown envelope. Flys 
under the

radar.  www.alldaychemist.com

Janet

Jane MacRoss wrote:

This is just for USA tho isn't it?

Our vulture like customs officials would pounce on a medication coming
into the country that here requires a government authority to 
prescribe.


Jane

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Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:10 AM
Subject: CSLow Dose Naltrexone



www.ldners.org

www.webspawner.com/users/sideeffectsofldn/index.html

www.crystalsmstmldn.org

www.myspace.com/lowdosenaltrexone

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/01/06/can-ldn-really-help-multiple-sclerosis-rheumatoid-arthritis-and-other-autoimmune-diseases.aspx 




http://jeffreydach.com/2007/08/01/low-dose-nalotrexone-ldn-by-jeffrey-dach-md.aspx 




www.ldn-help.com

FOR A LIST OF MD's in your area that prescribe LDN, email your request
and location to:
crystalangel6...@aol.com

EXCELLENT BOOK: The Promise of Low Dose Naltrexone Therapy
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Re: CSCurry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions

2010-07-22 Thread Garnet_LDN

Adding baking soda to the soaking water is suppose to help with gas, and 
it makes them

more tender.

Janet

needling around wrote:
It also helps to soak the beans several times discarding the water 
each time.
PT 


- Original Message -
*From:* Garrick mailto:zzen...@gmail.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thursday, July 22, 2010 8:10 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSCurry spices for cows and sheep could cut
methane emissions

I use seeds from the Umbelliferae family in beans and they do make
them more digestible and less or zero gas. I have used anise,
coriander, celery, cumin, fennel, dill seeds in beans. First I
grind them in an electric coffee mill. My favorite beans are
chickpea, pinto and black beans. Chickpeas are the ultimate with a
very good protein profile. I never make humus which is a
disgusting greasy mess



The *Apiaceae* or *Umbelliferae* (both names are allowed by
the ICBN /wiki/International_Code_of_Botanical_Nomenclature) is
a family of usually aromatic plants /wiki/Plant with hollow
stems, commonly known as *umbellifers*. It includes angelica
/wiki/Angelica, anise /wiki/Anise, arracacha
/wiki/Arracacha, asafoetida /wiki/Asafoetida, caraway
/wiki/Caraway, carrot /wiki/Carrot, celery
/wiki/Celery, centella asiatica
/wiki/Centella_asiatica, chervil /wiki/Chervil, cicely
/wiki/Cicely,coriander /wiki/Coriander/cilantro
/wiki/Cilantro, cumin /wiki/Cumin, dill /wiki/Dill, fennel
/wiki/Fennel, hemlock /wiki/Hemlock, lovage
/wiki/Lovage, Queen Anne's Lace
/wiki/Queen_anne%27s_lace, parsley /wiki/Parsley, parsnip
/wiki/Parsnip, sea holly /wiki/Sea_holly, the now
extinct silphium /wiki/Silphium, and other relatives. It is a
large family with about 300 genera /wiki/Genus and more than
3,000 species /wiki/Species. The earlier name Umbelliferae
derives from theinflorescence /wiki/Inflorescence being
generally in the form of a compound umbel, and has the same root
as the word umbrella /wiki/Umbrella. The botanical
subspeciality that studies Apiaceae is sometimes
called /sciadophytography/.



On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 1:43 AM, Norton, Steve
stephen.nor...@ngc.com mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote:

My only question is: Will curry help when you eat beans?

-   Steve N


_http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/curry-spices-for-cows-and-sheep-could-cut-methane-emissions-2029761.html_

Curry spices for cows and sheep could cut methane emissions








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Re: CSClub Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

The pool grade is dangerous if inhaled so would not be the best type to 
work with in treating mounds. It's due to the crystalline form of the 
silica in pool grade, being 85% due to heat treatment. It can cause 
silicosis of the lungs and probably other problems.


Food Grade is less than 4% crystalline form so much safer although it is 
still a respiratory irritant and will make some people and animals 
cough, probably just due to the dustiness.


Although chickens sure do seem to love to roll in it in the summer when 
lice are a problem for them.


I have bought Food Grade 50# bags from organic garden suppliers.

Janet

Renee wrote:

Hey PT.
 
I use the food grade simply because it's what we have for us.  Perhaps 
the pool grade would be fine for fire ants though.  My husband HATES 
them and would douse them all with gasoline (a VERY quick method of 
killing a mound) but I won't let him because I don't like that in my 
yard.  Although it's been said that the gas vapors just dissipate very 
quickly.  Still--it stinks, and DE is safe if my pets walk through it.
 
Samala,
Renee 
 
 
 
 
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Are you using 'food grade' DE or pool/aquarium grade DE?







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Re: CSClub Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

Indian Runner Ducks will also do the same and they are easier to catch. 
s Nice eggs too.
They do not fly and are a land dwelling hybridized duck bred to lay 
numerous eggs, kinda
like a milk cow. All they need is a kiddie pool of water to dunk 
themselves in once or twice a day.


No more wasps, fire ants, scorpions, daddy long legs, centipedes -- but 
they will also eat your
tender young plants and decorative flowers. I learned to put cages 
around the things I did not want them to eat. It was worth the effort 
and protection form wandering deer.


Janet

ejohns9...@aol.com wrote:
*/We live in the fire ant capital of the world (East TX).  We even 
have fire ant festival yearly.  We have tried many things...even DE.  
It didn't get rid of them.  However, 7 Guineas adopted us 3 years ago 
and our ant, flea, tick problems are almost non existent now.  We are 
so impressed with them that we hatched 60 more last Fall/Winter.  We 
NEVER want to be without them./*
*//* 
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Re: CSClub Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?


Making cages to keep the deer out is much easier if you have one of these

http://www.amplesupply.com/detail.aspx?ProdID=180

Hog Ringers to put the 2 X 4 welded rabbit wire together. Worth the cost
for the many applications you will find if you are a do it yourself type.


Janet


ejohns9...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 7/21/2010 3:33:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
garnet_...@austin.rr.com writes:


Indian Runner Ducks will also do the same and they are easier to
catch.
Nice eggs too.
They do not fly and are a land dwelling hybridized duck bred to lay
numerous eggs, kinda
like a milk cow. All they need is a kiddie pool of water to dunk
themselves in once or twice a day.

No more wasps, fire ants, scorpions, daddy long legs, centipedes
-- but
they will also eat your
tender young plants and decorative flowers. I learned to put cages
around the things I did not want them to eat. It was worth the effort
and protection form wandering deer.

Janet

Janet,
Thanks for the info.  We do have a huge pond that would be good and we 
have deer problems in our garden. 
We planted tomatoes in our yard instead of the garden due to the 
problem but that doesn't stop deer.
 
Edith
 



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Re: CSLow Dose Naltrexone


People here order it and it ships in a plain brown envelope. Flys under the
radar.  www.alldaychemist.com

Janet

Jane MacRoss wrote:

This is just for USA tho isn't it?

Our vulture like customs officials would pounce on a medication coming 
into the country that here requires a government authority to prescribe.


Jane

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:10 AM
Subject: CSLow Dose Naltrexone



www.ldners.org

www.webspawner.com/users/sideeffectsofldn/index.html

www.crystalsmstmldn.org

www.myspace.com/lowdosenaltrexone

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/01/06/can-ldn-really-help-multiple-sclerosis-rheumatoid-arthritis-and-other-autoimmune-diseases.aspx 



http://jeffreydach.com/2007/08/01/low-dose-nalotrexone-ldn-by-jeffrey-dach-md.aspx 



www.ldn-help.com

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Re: EXTERNAL:Re: CSPesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles - fluoride


If Epsom Salts would work then I should see a percipitate when I add it to
my city bath water, and I don't so ?

Maybe Mg Chloride will give up it's Cl in favor of Fl?

Janet

Norton, Steve wrote:


Magnesium chloride is what was used in the animal studies and should 
work. I would also think that Epsom salts, magnesium sulfate, would work.


 


-  Steve N

 


*From:* Garrick [mailto:zzen...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:48 PM
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Subject:* EXTERNAL:Re: CSPesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles 
- fluoride


 


Do you think magnesium chloride might do the trick?

I filter out fluorides with an alumina filter. I use that and a carbon 
block filter


gar





On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com 
mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote:


Dan,

Magnesium may be what you are looking for. It appears that if you add a
small amount of a soluble magnesium to water and agitate, it will form
an insoluble compound with the fluoride and greatly reduce the
bioavailability of the fluoride. I didn't mention this possibility
before because I kept seeing conflicting information in the studies. But
I think that given the study I posted below, that magnesium is a good
approach to use with drinking water.

 - Steve N


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From: Norton, Steve [mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com 
mailto:stephen.nor...@ngc.com]

Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:26 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:RE: CSDebunking...


There may be some substance to Prill beads reducing the absorption of
fluoride by forming an insoluble complex with the fluoride. But the
science isn't completely understood. See below.

 - Steve N

Influence of Dietary Magnesium on Fluoride Bioavailability in the Rat
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/reprint/117/3/496.pdf

Several observations suggest that the magnesium content of a diet may
influence food fluoride absorption. Magnesium and fluoride, for example,
form an insoluble complex in vitro (6). Simultaneous administration of
magnesium and fluoride by gastric intubation  has been shown to
significantly reduce skeletal
uptake of fluoride by growing rats (7, 8), which may explain why high
dietary magnesium appears to ameliorate fluorosis in guinea pigs (9). On
the other hand, Spencer et al. (10) were unable to demonstrate a
significant effect of orally administered magnesium oxide on either
fecal or urinary fluoride excretion in human volunteers. Factors that
may account for this apparent discrepancy between animal and human
studies include the age of the test subject, level and chemical form of
magnesium and route of administration of fluoride and magnesium. In the
human study, for example, subjects were adults, whereas studies of the
magnesium and fluoride relationship in rats occurred during a period of
rapid growth. Animal studies involving gastric intubation utilized
water-soluble magnesium chloride and the magnesium and fluoride were
administered together, whereas in the human study magnesium was
insoluble magnesium oxide and the magnesium and fluoride were not
simultaneously present in the diet.





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Re: CSClub Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?


You have to train the dogs to respect the ducks.

Yes the dogs could kill the ducks, and no the ducks will not be able to 
out run the dogs, they can not fly, just flutter a bit off the ground, 
and they are sensitive so would stress if you allow the dogs to bother them.


Janet

Jimmie Cairn wrote:

Hi All;
  I am wondering about these Indian Runner Ducks.  I have three small 
Cairn Terriers, and they are the most territorial little buggers you 
have ever seen.  If any thing runs, they are off after it. Do you 
think they might chase and catch the ducks, or could the ducks fend 
for themselves.  I am hoping the name might mean they could avoid the 
dogs.

   Thanks Jimmie


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*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Wed, July 21, 2010 3:42:51 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSClub Soda Gets Rid of Fire Ants?

How are the Guineas on eating vegetables and plants, and scratching up 
mulches?  Do you protect them at night from varmints?  Do they lay 
eggs you can eat?


Nancy

Garnet_LDN wrote:
 Indian Runner Ducks will also do the same and they are easier to 
catch. s Nice eggs too.
 They do not fly and are a land dwelling hybridized duck bred to lay 
numerous eggs, kinda
 like a milk cow. All they need is a kiddie pool of water to dunk 
themselves in once or twice a day.


 No more wasps, fire ants, scorpions, daddy long legs, centipedes -- 
but they will also eat your
 tender young plants and decorative flowers. I learned to put cages 
around the things I did not want them to eat. It was worth the effort 
and protection form wandering deer.


 Janet

 ejohns9...@aol.com mailto:ejohns9...@aol.com wrote:
 */We live in the fire ant capital of the world (East TX).  We even 
have fire ant festival yearly.  We have tried many things...even DE.  
It didn't get rid of them.  However, 7 Guineas adopted us 3 years ago 
and our ant, flea, tick problems are almost non existent now.  We are 
so impressed with them that we hatched 60 more last Fall/Winter.  We 
NEVER want to be without them./*

 *//* */Edith/*


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Re: EXTERNAL:Re: CSPesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles - fluoride

Then that is another good reason to put Epsom Salts in any bath, you 
absorb Mg

and you don't absorb Fl.

Thanks!

Janet

Norton, Steve wrote:

Maybe but not likely. I believe that in California, fluoride is added at
1 ppm. That would be 1 mg/l. Not much. Plus, Magnesium Fluoride is used
for optical elements in both the infrared and ultraviolet ranges.  It is
also used as a coating for optical lenses in the visible range.
Magnesium Fluoride, has a refractive index of about 1.37 and would
likely be invisible in water even in significant amounts.

 - Steve N

-Original Message-
From: Garnet_LDN [mailto:garnet_...@austin.rr.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:55 PM

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL:Re: CSPesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles
- fluoride

If Epsom Salts would work then I should see a percipitate when I add it
to
my city bath water, and I don't so ?

Maybe Mg Chloride will give up it's Cl in favor of Fl?

Janet

Norton, Steve wrote:
  
Magnesium chloride is what was used in the animal studies and should 
work. I would also think that Epsom salts, magnesium sulfate, would


work.
  
 




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Re: CSPesticide filter uses silver nanoparticles


Distillation.

www.wholesalewaterdistillers.com

They have a one gallon counter top distiller for ~$100, even available 
with a glass

collection jug.

Janet


Dan Nave wrote:

Steve,

Are you aware of any methods to remove fluoride from city water?

Dan

On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 10:40 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com wrote:
  

This is interesting. A study has shown that silver nanoparticles completely
remove endosulfan, malathion and chlorpyrifos from water. The mechanism of
removal is adsorption followed by catalytic destruction. A household filter
that uses the technology to remove pesticides from water has been developed.

-   Steve N

http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2007/April/20040701.asp

Pesticide filter debuts in India

A domestic water filter that uses metal nanoparticles to remove dissolved
pesticide residues is about to enter the Indian market. Its developers at
the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) in Chennai (formerly Madras)
believe it is the first product of its kind in the world to be
commercialised.

Mumbai-based Eureka Forbes Limited, a company that sells water purification
systems, is collaborating with IIT and has tested the device in the field
for over six months. Jayachandra Reddy, a technical consultant to the
company, expects the first 1000 units to be sold door-to-door from late May.

'Our pesticide filter is an offshoot of basic research on the chemistry of
nanoparticles,' Thalappil Pradeep who led the team at IIT Chennai
told Chemistry World. He and his student Sreekumaran Nair discovered in 2003
that halocarbons such as carbon tetrachloride (CCl4) completely break down
into metal halides and amorphous carbon upon reaction with gold and silver
nanoparticles1.

Pradeep said this prompted them to extend their study to include
organochlorine and organophosphorous pesticides, whose presence in water is
posing a health risk in rural India. In research funded by the Department of
Science and Technology in New Delhi, his team found2,3 that gold and silver
nanoparticles loaded on alumina were indeed able to completely remove
endosulfan, malathion and chlorpyrifos - three pesticides that have been
found at elevated levels in Indian water supplies.

Use and recycle

The mechanism of removal is 'adsorption followed by catalytic destruction',
Pradeep explained. 'The chemistry occurs in a wide concentration range of
environmental significance.' He added that tests proved silver particles
from the filter are not released into the water. The IIT study found that
gold particles perform better in the case of endosulfan. However, for cost
reasons, the commercialised filters use only silver particles, which range
in size from 60 to 80 nanometres at a concentration (on their alumina
support) of 33 parts per million.

'Based on consumption patterns of a typical Indian household, the filter is
designed to have enough nanomaterials to provide 6000 litres of
pesticide-free water for one year,' Pradeep said. 'After that, the company
will recycle the filters to recover the silver.'

Use of nanoparticles for environmental remediation is an emerging area of
research worldwide. Nanoscale iron powders had been shown to degrade other
pesticides, including DDT and lindane4, 'and there are reports about the use
of nanomaterials for removing arsenic, heavy metals and fluorides,' said
Pradeep. 'But ours is the first product to hit the market,' he said.




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http://www.free-press-release.com/news-new-website-aims-to-clear-up-misconceptions-about-breakthrough-drug-low-dose-naltrexone-ldn-1268301980.html


“Having instigated the first clinical trial for LDN in 2004 at Penn 
State University, I am gratified that we’ve now launched this 
informative resource for physicians and patients,” Rogosnitzky added.
“We aim to summarize almost 30 years of research, carried out by the 
discoverers of LDN, Dr. Ian S. Zagon and Dr. Patricia J. McLaughlin at 
Penn State University, and provide an invaluable resource which will 
enable this therapy to be used properly, inspire further research into 
its many possible uses and eventually lead to its acceptance as 
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CSLow Dose Naltrexone


www.ldners.org

www.webspawner.com/users/sideeffectsofldn/index.html

www.crystalsmstmldn.org

www.myspace.com/lowdosenaltrexone

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/01/06/can-ldn-really-help-multiple-sclerosis-rheumatoid-arthritis-and-other-autoimmune-diseases.aspx

http://jeffreydach.com/2007/08/01/low-dose-nalotrexone-ldn-by-jeffrey-dach-md.aspx

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Re: CSMultiple Sclerosis

Although Naltrexone is a drug, the site is not about drug treatment for
MS. It is about how this
unique effect of blocking opioid receptors for 4-6 hours a day results
in a rebound modulation of the immune system. There may also be effects
on oxidative stress through Nitric Oxide and also DNA replication. The
drug is a shift in paradigm. It increases Met-5-enkephaline which is
natural and can be used, aka Opioid Growth Factor is costs $3,000 a
month and does not have the full range of benefits.

It has saved many with MS from the terrible side effects and costs of
the CRAB drugs.

Their MS stops progressing in 90% of the cases. There are now studies
and many case

histories, some who have been taking LDN for over five years.

It is a super low dose and has a huge margin of safety. Some MS patients
take as little as 2 mg, others are using 0.5 mg once a week for immune
balancing. FM is relieved, Crohns,

Austism, AIDS . . . any immune system disorder may respond.

The drug is out of patent so there is no profit motive to push this
treatment. It is all patient driven.

Natural is good, but if you broke your arm would you allow it to heal
naturally?

I'm not saying not to use natural means, many who take LDN do, and the
doctors generally are holistic with an emphasis on diet and nutriceuticals.

Where there is sensible safe treatment it never hurts to investigate.

Janet

carolG wrote:
Is site drug oriented for MS? There is great information for the non
drug users and those wanting to go more natural. Just wanted people to
be exposed to both choices and it's really their choice once they have
knowledge as it is power.

Thanks for sharing.

carol

*From:* Garnet_LDN garnet_...@austin.rr.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tue, July 20, 2010 5:53:09 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSMultiple Sclerosis

http://www.free-press-release.com/news-new-website-aims-to-clear-up-misconceptions-about-breakthrough-drug-low-dose-naltrexone-ldn-1268301980.html

â€œHaving instigated the first clinical trial for LDN in 2004 at Penn
State University, I am gratified that weâ€™ve now launched this
informative resource for physicians and patients,â€� Rogosnitzky added.
â€œWe aim to summarize almost 30 years of research, carried out by the
discoverers of LDN, Dr. Ian S. Zagon and Dr. Patricia J. McLaughlin at
Penn State University, and provide an invaluable resource which will
enable this therapy to be used properly, inspire further research into
its many possible uses and eventually lead to its acceptance as
mainstream therapy for a number of incurable conditions.â€�

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Re: CSMultiple Sclerosis; infant acid reflux

I will always support natural healing methods over pharmaceuticals. 
smile But I am not going to throw the baby out with the bath water.


However many natural substances are also chemicals so to me there is not 
so much a line in the sand over where the substance originated as in how 
it acts in the body. Given a choice I go for the sustainable, available 
and safe-er approach.


In the case of Low Dose Naltrexone, if there were a substance that was 
natural that would
have the same effect I would be all over it. At this point there is not, 
and when I see that
some people with MS might still be walking had they found it a year or 
so earlier, I can't help but want to ensure that everyone at least knows 
that it is available. There are many who would not consider natural 
means until they had experience LDN and the holistic approach of the 
practitioners that prescribed it for them. Some doors swing both ways.


And yes I have heard of Epilepsy being cured ! and MS going into 
complete remission. As well as the myelin sheath regrowing in MS.


I might also mention that if you take vitamins they are chemicals, many 
are synthetic and therefore they are also drugs. Colloidal silver is a 
mineral but none of us would have
access to it were it not for batteries, electricity, and many other 
artificial substances and

devices.

I think it is easy to get hung up on the small picture and miss that 
what is important is that we
heal with the most ease, safety and comfort, not that we never use 
something synthetic.


Janet



carolG wrote:
Janet, thanks for your info., but if my arm was broken as you shared, 
I would go for manipulation and putting it back in the socket 
regardless of the treatment if that was the only option. However, 
knowing self I had severe torn ligaments years back, surely surgery 
for most, but chiro took time and totally healed and remains that way 
decades.


It's a choice and no judgment to anyone's choices, other than one need 
to be educated, if they desire, and then decide for themselves. My 
husband had EPILepsy confirmed, was on drugs for 10 days, but during 
my search alternatives was what we ended up doing.  Over 30+ years 
back and still healed.  No there is no cure for Epilepsy or MS or many 
other diseases I have heard, but I can say this worked and I know of 
others who had diseases and went alternative with victories.  I can't 
speak for all.  I believe diet is a big factor and also attitude.


I respect your position and not everyone would buy into my thinking. 
Glad we can share civilly without judgment. It's all about choices and 
then for some who want to dive into further education outside the 
doctor's views another choice for them.


Just sharing my perspective and not trying to beat anything to death.  
Again, thanks for sharing.  I'm sure you will help many by your 
opinion as most tend to go towards drug route -- their choice. 

It is so confusing for most people to know the right choice as we are 
bombarded with this and that works...who knows...I can only research 
for hubby and self  -- not even my adult kids who have infant acid 
reflux babies on drugsone has damaged vocal cords at a year sadly 
and hopefully a miracle will give him his vocal cords.  It was not the 
drugs, but wrong strength for the damaged vocal cords -- too weak for 
his condition...and then they let this innocent baby  cry when he woke 
up many times during the night probably because of burning to his 
cordsthey thought he was just wanting to stay upbad call on 
their part, but they don't seem to have any guilt as I would for 
sure.  I let them make their own choices and they go the drug route 
alwaysthey know my position, but I am not the parents...I'm cool 
with that...millions of kids have infant acid reflux...very epidemic 
too...

Best to ya and thanks.

carol



*From:* Garnet_LDN garnet_...@austin.rr.com
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tue, July 20, 2010 7:17:07 PM
*Subject:* Re: CSMultiple Sclerosis

Although Naltrexone is a drug, the site is not about drug treatment 
for MS. It is about how this
unique effect of blocking opioid receptors for 4-6 hours a day results 
in a rebound modulation of the immune system. There may also be 
effects on oxidative stress through Nitric Oxide and also DNA 
replication. The drug is a shift in paradigm. It increases 
Met-5-enkephaline which is natural and can be used, aka Opioid Growth 
Factor is costs $3,000 a month and does not have the full range of 
benefits.



Natural is good, but if you broke your arm would you allow it to heal 
naturally?


I'm not saying not to use natural means, many who take LDN do, and the 
doctors generally are holistic with an emphasis on diet and 
nutriceuticals.


Where there is sensible safe treatment it never hurts to investigate.


Janet

carolG wrote:
 Is site drug oriented for MS? There is great information for the non

Re: CSback after seven years

www.ldnscience.org is probably the best info site on Low Dose Naltrexone.

There are many disease specific LDN lists on Yahoo and one large main list.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LDN_Information has many files and links to
LDN information, articles, videos from National and International
Conferences,

and scientific studies.

Janet

Roger Barker wrote:
Hi Reid, you might like to check out the use of LDN (low dose
naltrexone) at http://www.webspawner.com/users/introtoldn/index.html
I've no personal experience using it for MS but from what I've read it
does seem to work for many people.

Cheers, Roger B
NZ

On 20/07/2010, at 5:39 AM, A. Reid Harvey wrote:

Hi all!

After all of these years I'm back with a pressing question,
concerning multiple sclerosis. An acquaintance I've mine is afflicted
with this, and I'm recalling the sage words of many on the list, that
*there are no incurable illnesses; only incurable people.*

From back when I was on the list I seem to recall that blood
electrification could greatly assist victims of MS. Is this true, and
if so, how? I also recall a regime that made use of three nine volt
batteries, daisy chained, with terminals on either side of the artery
at the wrist. I'd also like those on the list to know that I've
assisted several friends with BE. In several cases these friends were
able to remedy serious toothaches, using BE.

Incidentally, about CS, I continue to take this regularly, and
believe that my not having had a cold in eight years, can be
attributed to this. And as a ceramist I've put into practice more of
what I learned on the list. Following my on list communication of
seven years ago I assisted in startup of production and use of silver
treated pottery candle filters, in Nepal, Kenya and Indonesia. These
are low cost filter systems, and for example, in Kenya there's a slum
in which our silver treated systems are in use in nearly 1,000
HIV-AIDS households.

Now I want to remain on thie list for a while, mostly to further
refine my understanding. For now my question is: does BE assist with
those who suffer from MS? or is there another remedy?

Reid Harvey

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CSRe: Silica and DE

There was a discussion some weeks ago on the absorption of silica and 
other trace
minerals from Diatomaceous Earth. Because DE is high in Aluminum I found 
this
thought somewhat alarming and decided to contact the manufacturer of 
Food Grade

DE in the US, PermaGuard.

http://perma-guard.com/index.html

After speaking with Perma Guard about my concerns that Aluminum is 
present in significant amounts according to their published analysis, I 
was referred to the biochemist who did the analysis that appears on 
their website, Dr Galen Knight. Dr Knight has published these results 
and told me that if there is any absorption it is negligible, in other 
words not a significant source of Silica or any of the trace minerals in 
the DE.


http://www.westonaprice.org/environmental-toxins/1447-mad-as-a-hatter.html

Microscopic live cell analyses of blood taken from individuals who have 
detoxed using food-grade diatomaceous earth for many months display 
little evidence that the particles make their way intact into the blood. 
Hair analyses of these individuals display normal or even slightly low 
amounts of silica. This evidence, combined with a very low trace and 
toxic mineral content (usually in parts per million), supports the 
concept that diatomaceous earth works by removing toxins that poison the 
immune and regulatory functions, rather than by adding trace minerals 
that support these processes.


Janet



RE: CSSilica and DE

Norton, Steve
Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:03:48 -0700

My understanding is that the bioavailability of silicate is mostly
dependent on its solubility. That would put DE in the low
bioavailability arena (along with zeolite). I mentioned it once before,
but did not go into detail, that I use sodium silicate as a silicate
source. I originally chose sodium silicate as an alkalizing source for
the body. It is an effective alkalizer that is low cost and readily
available while it is also a bioavailable source of silicate. Calcium
silicate might be a better choice but it is not as readily available. As
with all strong alkalizers, care to properly dilute it should be taken
when using it. Following is some info on silicate sources.

- Steve N


http://www.epa.gov/opp1/biopesticides/ingredients/tech_docs/brad_072
606.pdf

FDA has determined that sodium silicate and potassium silicate can be
used interchangeably. Sodium silicate has been determined to be GRAS
(Generally-Recognized as Safe) by FDA (21 CFR 182.90 and 21 CFR
182.1711) for limited use in canned potable water as a corrosion
inhibiting agent. Potassium silicate is also used as a corrosion
inhibitor for potable water, with the use rate for municipal water
supplies at 8 parts per million. Sodium silicate has been is exemption
from requirement of a tolerance when used as an inert ingredient in pre
and postharvest pesticide products (40 CFR 180.910). Sodium silicate can
be used as an inert as a surfactant, emulsifier, wetting agent,
stabilizer, inhibitor, while there is not a food use inert tolerance
exemption for potassium silicate. Silica is also approved by the FDA for
use as an anti-caking agent in food.


http://www.usana.com/media/File/dotCom/company/science/crb/4CRB.pdf


This double blind, prospective crossover study involved six healthy male
volunteers. It compared the bioavailability (absorption/ urinary
excretion) of silicon derived from three sources: calcium silicate
(specifically, calcium salt of silicic acid), horsetail grass, and
silicon amino acid complex. Results from this study indicate that, with
respect to bioavailability, calcium silicate is a superior source of
nutritional silicon.
Supplementation with 20 mg of silicon as silicon amino acid complex or
powdered horsetail grass gave only small (2.4-2.5 mg) increases in
10-hour urinary silicon excretion over baseline. These amounts
represented only about 12% of the silicon administered. By contrast, the
calcium silicate supplement increased urinary calcium excretion by 10.1
mg over baseline, representing a full 50% of the silicon administered.
As such, the silicon in the calcium silicate appears to be about four
times more bioavailable than the silicon
supplied by the other two sources.



The following study looked at the bioavailability of silicate in beer.
Sodium silicate was used as the comparative standard.

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=1fid=913048j
id=BJNvolumeId=91issueId=03aid=913036

A solution of orthosilicic acid (OSA) was prepared the day before the
study by adding 450 mg of the sodium silicate solution into 2*5 litres
UHP water and by adjusting the pH to 7-7*2 with 5M-HCl to give an
approximate Si concentration of 35 mg/l.
The ultrafilterability of Si from beer (about 80 %) and its absorption
in volunteers (about
55 %) was comparable with that of a solution of OSA suggesting that Si
in beer is present chiefly in a monomeric form and is readily
bioavailable.


http://www.optimox.com/pics/Cogimax/BioActiveS/BioActSilicate.htm
The

Re: CSDimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO) Solubility Data



I looked at the pdf and it does not indicate if the B12 or D3 tested for
solubility was a sublingual form. I would assume that it was not.

SL forms are water soluble and would therefore dissolve in DMSO.

The original directions for making a transdermal B12 using DMSO were
to use SL Tablets.


Janet



RE: EXTERNAL:Re: CSDimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO) Solubility Data

Norton, Steve
Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:46:08 -0700

That's the way I read it.

- Steve N

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From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 16, 2010 7:32 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: CSDimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO) Solubility Data

Does this mean that Vitamin B12, E, and D3 are not soluble at all in
DMSO?

Dan

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wrote:
 FYI, you can find the solubility of many substances in DMSO at:

 http://www.gaylordchemical.com/bulletins/bulletin102b/Bulletin102B.pdf

 Dimethyl Sulfoxide (DMSO) Solubility Data



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