Re: CS>New member info

[Ode Coyote]

Howdy Shelby !!!
Curmudgeonly yers...Unk Ode

 Have you read this??

https://silverpuppy.com/article/tactic-that-worked-for-me

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Shelby  wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> I had a request to introduce myself. I am a special education teacher in
> Georgia. I have been using and making CS for 10 years using a Silver Puppy.
> I just like to be connected to people that share this interest. I was part
> of the Yahoo group for a long time, however, the group fell apart.
>
>
>
> Shelby
>
>
> 
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Re: CS>New member info

[MaryAnn Helland]

Hi Shelby.  Welcome.  Yahoo groups have become impossible to maintain.  :-(MA 

On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 10:51 AM, Shelby  wrote:
 

 Hello,  I 
had a request to introduce myself. I am a special education teacher in Georgia. 
I have been using and making CS for 10 years using a Silver Puppy. I just like 
to be connected to people that share this interest. I was part of the Yahoo 
group for a long time, however, the group fell apart.  Shelby 


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Re: CS>New member info

[Deborah Gerard]

Big welcome to you my dear..
Debbie :) 

On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 11:51 AM, Shelby  wrote:
 

 Hello,  I 
had a request to introduce myself. I am a special education teacher in Georgia. 
I have been using and making CS for 10 years using a Silver Puppy. I just like 
to be connected to people that share this interest. I was part of the Yahoo 
group for a long time, however, the group fell apart.  Shelby 


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CS>New member info

[Shelby]

Hello,

 

I had a request to introduce myself. I am a special education teacher in
Georgia. I have been using and making CS for 10 years using a Silver Puppy.
I just like to be connected to people that share this interest. I was part
of the Yahoo group for a long time, however, the group fell apart.

 

Shelby


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Re: CS>New Member from Nigeria

[Steve G]

Welcome, Tsokwa.
Just read the messages and postings, ask questions and you'll learn a great 
deal!
 


  From: tsokwaaluandeyaba 
 To: silver-list  
 Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: CS>Unidentified subject!
   
I am Tsokwa Alu Andeyaba, a Nigerian and a public servant. I want to learn more 
and everything about colloidal silver. I hope your group will help achieve 
that. 
    Thanks 

  

Re: CS>New member

[Tony Moody]

Hallo Liam,

The Silver list archives are here :

Archives:
  http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html

Usually that info appears at the end of each email.

Yes the archives are worth learning to use.

OK,
Tony

On 29 Oct 2015 at 10:24, Liam Graves wrote about :
Subject : CS>New member

>
> Hello Silver list members
> My name is Liam and live in a small city called Wanganui in New Zealand.  I 
> am I.T literate but
> never really used bulletin boards, blogs and this is the first site I have 
> come across were I cant
> just browse content and search for what I am looking for or at least I have 
> not yet discovered how
> to do it so may ask a few seemingly dumb questions or unintentionally slip 
> from proper etiquette
> now and again, by all means correct me.  I have used and made colloidal 
> silver for about 15 years
> using very basic battery powered electrodes, I believe that these devices 
> only make a low end
> product and its shelf life is short and am now wanting to learn more about 
> different generator’s,
> different uses for C.S etc and how I may be able to make a generator that 
> produces high quality
> C.S.  My other interests in health are many but include Energy healing, 
> electro therapy including
> PEMT and microcurrent devices such as zappers, infrared sauna,  I am also a 
> believer that there
> are lots of cheap options available that can improve our health and well 
> being such as C.S,
> hydrogen peroxide, iodine, MMS and like to learn about these.  I am really 
> keen to learn more
> about live blood cell analysis and would one day like to add this as a 
> service to others. 
> Additionally I am currently looking for alternatives that may assist my two 
> brothers, one who has a
> brain tumour and been taken off conventional treatments and the other who has 
> been diagnosed
> with the precursor to skin cancer on his face.   I currently do a variety of 
> things to earn a living
> including running a small camp facility where mainly school groups come for 
> some outdoor
> experiences, I do a bit of gardening, Engineering, I.T work and healing. 



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Re: CS>New member

[Theresa]

I recently watched the video series "the truth about cancer a global quest."
It gave a report of a young girl with brain stem cancer. She says she cured her 
cancer with Frankincense oil. Took a drop in her tongue every 2 hrs and touched 
her tongue to the roof of her mouth. 
She had had half the tumor surgically removed. Her prognosis was very poor and 
radiation was the recommended treatment. She passed on that. 
Good luck. 
T 

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> On Oct 28, 2015, at 4:33 PM, Gmail  wrote:
> 
> Sounds like you are having fun! Welcome aboard. 
> I have been here on and off for 20 years.
> I like www.doctoryourself.com  it has a good search engine.
> There is some recent studies done on dandelion root for brain tumors.
> Many of us like the silver puppy generator. I have bought dozens of them for 
> friends myself. 
> Can it be shipped to New Zealand, Ode?
> 
> There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking 
> at the root.
> Henry David Thoreau
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Liam Graves  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Silver list members
>> My name is Liam and live in a small city called Wanganui in New Zealand.  I 
>> am I.T literate but never really used bulletin boards, blogs and this is the 
>> first site I have come across were I cant just browse content and search for 
>> what I am looking for or at least I have not yet discovered how to do it so 
>> may ask a few seemingly dumb questions or unintentionally slip from proper 
>> etiquette now and again, by all means correct me.  I have used and made 
>> colloidal silver for about 15 years using very basic battery powered 
>> electrodes, I believe that these devices only make a low end product and its 
>> shelf life is short and am now wanting to learn more about different 
>> generator’s, different uses for C.S etc and how I may be able to make a 
>> generator that produces high quality C.S.  My other interests in health are 
>> many but include Energy healing, electro therapy including PEMT and 
>> microcurrent devices such as zappers, infrared sauna,  I am also a believer 
>> that there are lots of cheap options available that can improve our health 
>> and well being such as C.S, hydrogen peroxide, iodine, MMS and like to learn 
>> about these.  I am really keen to learn more about live blood cell analysis 
>> and would one day like to add this as a service to others.  Additionally I 
>> am currently looking for alternatives that may assist my two brothers, one 
>> who has a brain tumour and been taken off conventional treatments and the 
>> other who has been diagnosed with the precursor to skin cancer on his face.  
>>  I currently do a variety of things to earn a living including running a 
>> small camp facility where mainly school groups come for some outdoor 
>> experiences, I do a bit of gardening, Engineering, I.T work and healing. 

Re: CS>New member

[Patricia]

Welcome Liam:   I'm new here too.  Lots of good people willing to share 
their knowledge.  Enjoy.
Also ... for your brothers... check out Low Dose Naltrexone... 
www.lowdosenaltrexone.org  read and research ... it has been found 
to do a lot of things and
cancer is one of them..  It is an off label medication used for many 
things.   Someone here suggested it for my grandson who has Crohn's 
disease .. I will be eternally
grateful to them for the info.  I am now on it for my immune system.. 
and hopefully my grandson will be on it in the near future.   Good Luck


I highly recommend the Silver Puppy  for making colloidal silver. 
www.silverpuppy.com  lots of info there too.


On 10/28/2015 4:24 PM, Liam Graves wrote:

Hello Silver list members
My name is Liam and live in a small city called Wanganui in New 
Zealand.  I am I.T literate but never really used bulletin boards, 
blogs and this is the first site I have come across were I cant just 
browse content and search for what I am looking for or at least I have 
not yet discovered how to do it so may ask a few seemingly dumb 
questions or unintentionally slip from proper etiquette now and again, 
by all means correct me.  I have used and made colloidal silver for 
about 15 years using very basic battery powered electrodes, I believe 
that these devices only make a low end product and its shelf life is 
short and am now wanting to learn more about different generator’s, 
different uses for C.S etc and how I may be able to make a generator 
that produces high quality C.S.  My other interests in health are many 
but include Energy healing, electro therapy including PEMT and 
microcurrent devices such as zappers, infrared sauna,  I am also a 
believer that there are lots of cheap options available that can 
improve our health and well being such as C.S, hydrogen peroxide, 
iodine, MMS and like to learn about these.  I am really keen to learn 
more about live blood cell analysis and would one day like to add this 
as a service to others. Additionally I am currently looking for 
alternatives that may assist my two brothers, one who has a brain 
tumour and been taken off conventional treatments and the other who 
has been diagnosed with the precursor to skin cancer on his face.   I 
currently do a variety of things to earn a living including running a 
small camp facility where mainly school groups come for some outdoor 
experiences, I do a bit of gardening, Engineering, I.T work and healing.



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Re: CS>New member

[Jerry Durand]

I guess I should introduce myself.

I'm an electrical/electronic designer and my wife and I have a company
where we sell anything out of the ordinary that interests us.  It's
mainly been industrial and theatrical controls, but lately we've been
branching out.

This past summer I had a respiratory infection that my doctor said was
probably from the exceptionally dry/dusty weather we've been having.  I
finally decided to try colloidal silver and after a bit of trouble with
a vendor (which resulted in his company being permanently banned from
eBay) I asked a person I know who sells CS in Australia about
generators.  He told me what he uses so I bought one.

Amazing results in clearing my infection (essentially overnight).  I
also then added some big pharma expensive drugs but I'm not convinced
they have done all that much and will not be renewing the prescription.

For the last year we've been selling Structured Water devices which have
been very well received and it occurred to me to try structuring the
CS.  One thing led to another and now we've started selling Structured
Silver Gel (external use only). 

The guy from Australia is working out a deal where he can distribute our
gel down under.


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Re: CS>New member

[Sandra George]

Welcome to the list Liam - I know you will find many here who are as diverse as 
you appear to be and whom are of huge help on many subjects so you ask away and 
you will get answers for sure 
Regards
Sandee🐬
Attitude is everything !!!
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[Gmail]

Sounds like you are having fun! Welcome aboard. 
I have been here on and off for 20 years.
I like www.doctoryourself.com  it has a good search engine.
There is some recent studies done on dandelion root for brain tumors.
Many of us like the silver puppy generator. I have bought dozens of them for 
friends myself. 
Can it be shipped to New Zealand, Ode?

There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at 
the root.

Henry David Thoreau




> On Oct 28, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Liam Graves  wrote:
> 
> Hello Silver list members
> My name is Liam and live in a small city called Wanganui in New Zealand.  I 
> am I.T literate but never really used bulletin boards, blogs and this is the 
> first site I have come across were I cant just browse content and search for 
> what I am looking for or at least I have not yet discovered how to do it so 
> may ask a few seemingly dumb questions or unintentionally slip from proper 
> etiquette now and again, by all means correct me.  I have used and made 
> colloidal silver for about 15 years using very basic battery powered 
> electrodes, I believe that these devices only make a low end product and its 
> shelf life is short and am now wanting to learn more about different 
> generator’s, different uses for C.S etc and how I may be able to make a 
> generator that produces high quality C.S.  My other interests in health are 
> many but include Energy healing, electro therapy including PEMT and 
> microcurrent devices such as zappers, infrared sauna,  I am also a believer 
> that there are lots of cheap options available that can improve our health 
> and well being such as C.S, hydrogen peroxide, iodine, MMS and like to learn 
> about these.  I am really keen to learn more about live blood cell analysis 
> and would one day like to add this as a service to others.  Additionally I am 
> currently looking for alternatives that may assist my two brothers, one who 
> has a brain tumour and been taken off conventional treatments and the other 
> who has been diagnosed with the precursor to skin cancer on his face.   I 
> currently do a variety of things to earn a living including running a small 
> camp facility where mainly school groups come for some outdoor experiences, I 
> do a bit of gardening, Engineering, I.T work and healing. 

CS>New member

[Liam Graves]

Hello Silver list members
My name is Liam and live in a small city called Wanganui in New Zealand.  I
am I.T literate but never really used bulletin boards, blogs and this is
the first site I have come across were I cant just browse content and
search for what I am looking for or at least I have not yet discovered how
to do it so may ask a few seemingly dumb questions or unintentionally slip
from proper etiquette now and again, by all means correct me.  I have used
and made colloidal silver for about 15 years using very basic battery
powered electrodes, I believe that these devices only make a low end
product and its shelf life is short and am now wanting to learn more about
different generator’s, different uses for C.S etc and how I may be able to
make a generator that produces high quality C.S.  My other interests in
health are many but include Energy healing, electro therapy including PEMT
and microcurrent devices such as zappers, infrared sauna,  I am also a
believer that there are lots of cheap options available that can improve
our health and well being such as C.S, hydrogen peroxide, iodine, MMS and
like to learn about these.  I am really keen to learn more about live blood
cell analysis and would one day like to add this as a service to others.
Additionally I am currently looking for alternatives that may assist my two
brothers, one who has a brain tumour and been taken off conventional
treatments and the other who has been diagnosed with the precursor to skin
cancer on his face.   I currently do a variety of things to earn a living
including running a small camp facility where mainly school groups come for
some outdoor experiences, I do a bit of gardening, Engineering, I.T work
and healing.

Re: CS>New Member

[Ode Coyote]

I only means that "vendors" can't use the forum as a sales promotion.

Ode

On 1/6/2015 2:02 AM, Floyd Petri wrote:


*I am new to the forum. I think that I have read everything that I 
need to read, but I still have a couple questions to be on the safe 
side. Under No Commercial Activity does that mean that I cannot ask if 
someone has had any bad experiences with a particular manufactured 
colloidal silver generator? Would they recommend it or not? Or found 
any problems with it electrically, mechanically or reliability, etc.?*


**

*Floyd*




   

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Re: CS>New Member

[Victor Cozzetto]

Welcome Floyd.

I am not the moderator, but I can tell you that people speak freely here
about  their experiences with the various devices. You will hear people
speak for and against such.

You will also note that some of the people do have related businesses, but
I haven't noticed anyone self promoting. People will often provide links
and recommendations for various products. Some of these people are the
actual scientists and/or engineers behind the products. I suspect that our
moderator will shut down anyone that is actually violating the intent of
the guidance.

I personally have years of experience with Sota and silverpuppy devices. I
can recommend both, and greatly prefer the silverpuppy for reliably and
conveniently making excellent CS for personal use. There are other good
devices too that members have experience with.

Feel free to ask about or talk about any devices.
Victor


On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Floyd Petri  wrote:

> *I am new to the forum. I think that I have read everything that I need to
> read, but I still have a couple questions to be on the safe side. Under No
> Commercial Activity does that mean that I cannot ask if someone has had any
> bad experiences with a particular manufactured colloidal silver generator?
> Would they recommend it or not? Or found any problems with it electrically,
> mechanically or reliability, etc.?*
>
>
>
> *Floyd*
>
>
>
>
>

CS>New Member

[Floyd Petri]

I am new to the forum. I think that I have read everything that I need to
read, but I still have a couple questions to be on the safe side. Under No
Commercial Activity does that mean that I cannot ask if someone has had any
bad experiences with a particular manufactured colloidal silver generator?
Would they recommend it or not? Or found any problems with it electrically,
mechanically or reliability, etc.?

 

Floyd

 



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Re: CS>new member first post ..

[Ode Coyote]

UNCLEBEN!!!

Good to see that you, my favorite cranky old curmudgeon, is still kickin!

This list pretty much predates all the others...I've been here since 
around 2003 ?


Ode


On 11/13/2014 7:08 PM, Beth Toraason wrote:

Good to see you here!  Welcome to an ole friend.
Beth T
On Nov 13, 2014, at 9:01 AM, sol wrote:


Uncleben! Welcome! Remember you from that other list, I went the opposite way, 
dropping off from the other list(s) and just staying here.

sol

cncsme...@aol.com wrote:

Haven't figured out just how to post yet (it's probably in the initial info 
sent to me but I'll have
to go back through it). Anyhow, if this gets posted some may remember me from 
one of the older colloidal silver forums since I was on there for a good many 
years and have been using
and touting CS for a good fifteen years or so.
The Silver List has always been considered THE colloidal silver list yet this 
is my first foray
into your territory. I'll try to be a good boy. Going through the archives I 
see some old familiar names and hope to see more. I use two CS machines, one 
from the Ode Coyote and one from
Trem Williams, My favorite tho, was one called a Harmony ll which has long 
since quit working.
I've turned on many to the benefits of CS tho most have backslid for a 
multitude of reasons, the main one I suspect is they simply can not fathom that 
CS can do what we know it can.

Anyway, thank you for allowing me to join The Silver List.

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[Deborah Gerard]

Don't know you but look forward to your wisdom :)Debbie 

 On Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:09 PM, Beth Toraason 
 wrote:
   

 Good to see you here!  Welcome to an ole friend.
Beth T
On Nov 13, 2014, at 9:01 AM, sol wrote:

> Uncleben! Welcome! Remember you from that other list, I went the opposite 
> way, dropping off from the other list(s) and just staying here.
> 
> sol
> 
> cncsme...@aol.com wrote:
>> Haven't figured out just how to post yet (it's probably in the initial info 
>> sent to me but I'll have
>> to go back through it). Anyhow, if this gets posted some may remember me 
>> from one of the older colloidal silver forums since I was on there for a 
>> good many years and have been using
>> and touting CS for a good fifteen years or so. 
>> The Silver List has always been considered THE colloidal silver list yet 
>> this is my first foray
>> into your territory. I'll try to be a good boy. Going through the archives I 
>> see some old familiar names and hope to see more. I use two CS machines, one 
>> from the Ode Coyote and one from
>> Trem Williams, My favorite tho, was one called a Harmony ll which has long 
>> since quit working. 
>> I've turned on many to the benefits of CS tho most have backslid for a 
>> multitude of reasons, the main one I suspect is they simply can not fathom 
>> that CS can do what we know it can.
>> 
>> Anyway, thank you for allowing me to join The Silver List.
>> 
>> Uncleben ..
>> 
>> 
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[Beth Toraason]

Good to see you here!  Welcome to an ole friend.
Beth T
On Nov 13, 2014, at 9:01 AM, sol wrote:

> Uncleben! Welcome! Remember you from that other list, I went the opposite 
> way, dropping off from the other list(s) and just staying here.
> 
> sol
> 
> cncsme...@aol.com wrote:
>> Haven't figured out just how to post yet (it's probably in the initial info 
>> sent to me but I'll have
>> to go back through it). Anyhow, if this gets posted some may remember me 
>> from one of the older colloidal silver forums since I was on there for a 
>> good many years and have been using
>> and touting CS for a good fifteen years or so. 
>> The Silver List has always been considered THE colloidal silver list yet 
>> this is my first foray
>> into your territory. I'll try to be a good boy. Going through the archives I 
>> see some old familiar names and hope to see more. I use two CS machines, one 
>> from the Ode Coyote and one from
>> Trem Williams, My favorite tho, was one called a Harmony ll which has long 
>> since quit working. 
>> I've turned on many to the benefits of CS tho most have backslid for a 
>> multitude of reasons, the main one I suspect is they simply can not fathom 
>> that CS can do what we know it can.
>> 
>> Anyway, thank you for allowing me to join The Silver List.
>> 
>> Uncleben ..
>> 
>> 
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[sol]

Uncleben! Welcome! Remember you from that other list, I went the 
opposite way, dropping off from the other list(s) and just staying here.


sol

cncsme...@aol.com wrote:
Haven't figured out just how to post yet (it's probably in the initial 
info sent to me but I'll have
to go back through it). Anyhow, if this gets posted some may remember 
me from one of the 
older colloidal silver forums since I was on there for a good many 
years and have been using
and touting CS for a good fifteen years or so. 

The Silver List has always been considered THE colloidal silver list 
yet this is my first foray
into your territory. I'll try to be a good boy. Going through the 
archives I see some old familiar 
names and hope to see more. I use two CS machines, one from the Ode 
Coyote and one from
Trem Williams, My favorite tho, was one called a Harmony ll which has 
long since quit working. 

I've turned on many to the benefits of CS tho most have backslid for a 
multitude of reasons, the 
main one I suspect is they simply can not fathom that CS can do what 
we know it can.


Anyway, thank you for allowing me to join The Silver List.

Uncleben ..





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[cncsmetal]

Haven't figured out just how to post yet (it's probably in the initial info 
sent to me but I'll have
to go back through it). Anyhow, if this gets posted some may remember me from 
one of the 
older colloidal silver forums since I was on there for a good many years and 
have been using
and touting CS for a good fifteen years or so. 


The Silver List has always been considered THE colloidal silver list yet this 
is my first foray
into your territory. I'll try to be a good boy. Going through the archives I 
see some old familiar 
names and hope to see more. I use two CS machines, one from the Ode Coyote and 
one from
Trem Williams, My favorite tho, was one called a Harmony ll which has long 
since quit working. 


I've turned on many to the benefits of CS tho most have backslid for a 
multitude of reasons, the 
main one I suspect is they simply can not fathom that CS can do what we know it 
can.


Anyway, thank you for allowing me to join The Silver List.


Uncleben ..





 

RE: CS>New member with question about HM COM-100 meter

[Ode Coyote]

  KCL and uS [microsiemens of conductivity] are two different functions on 
the meter...it can't be set on KCL/uS..it's *either or*, not both at once.


ode

At 01:11 AM 6/15/2013 +1030, you wrote:
I can't check my meter setting at the moment cos I'm away from home but I 
think I have mine set on KCLuS.  I haven't looked at the setting for so 
long now and don't actually remember, but I think that's what it's set 
on.  I'll check in a couple of weeks.


N.


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From: kscma...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CS>New member with question about HM COM-100 meter
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

I use the NaCL as it is the closest to what the reading would be. Some say 
the read X 2 or 2.5 to be in "the ballpark" a tds meter does not measure 
silver it measures conductivity.



From: Dave Neuman 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:24 AM
Subject: CS>New member with question about HM COM-100 meter

Hi - New member Dave N (hello out there). Just recently began brewing my 
own CS with a Silver Puppy generator. Started using bottled CS (Food for 
Health International's Activz Silver) after researching and pondering for 
about 2 years. I have ordered and will be using a nebulizer to control my 
slight asthma condition. Seeing that there are so many uses for CS for the 
home and personal sanitary purposes, I decided to start making my own. I 
have a question about which setting to set the COM-100 meter at. The 
directions state either the 442 or the NaCL setting. Since there is no 
salt either in the distilled water or the CS that I am brewing (from my 
best guesses), I am using the "442" setting but I just want to get more 
info from seasoned users. Thanks for any advice you can send my way. 
Regards, Dave N.


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RE: CS>New member with question about HM COM-100 meter

[Neville Munn]

I can't check my meter setting at the moment cos I'm away from home but I think 
I have mine set on KCLuS.  I haven't looked at the setting for so long now and 
don't actually remember, but I think that's what it's set on.  I'll check in a 
couple of weeks.

 

N.
 



Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:17:54 -0700
From: kscma...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CS>New member with question about HM COM-100 meter
To: silver-list@eskimo.com


I use the NaCL as it is the closest to what the reading would be. Some say the 
read X 2 or 2.5 to be in "the ballpark" a tds meter does not measure silver it 
measures conductivity.







From: Dave Neuman 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com"  
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:24 AM
Subject: CS>New member with question about HM COM-100 meter


Hi - New member Dave N (hello out there). Just recently began brewing my own CS 
with a Silver Puppy generator. Started using bottled CS (Food for Health 
International's Activz Silver) after researching and pondering for about 2 
years. I have ordered and will be using a nebulizer to control my slight asthma 
condition. Seeing that there are so many uses for CS for the home and personal 
sanitary purposes, I decided to start making my own. I have a question about 
which setting to set the COM-100 meter at. The directions state either the 442 
or the NaCL setting. Since there is no salt either in the distilled water or 
the CS that I am brewing (from my best guesses), I am using the "442" setting 
but I just want to get more info from seasoned users. Thanks for any advice you 
can send my way. Regards, Dave N.

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Re: CS>New member with question about HM COM-100 meter

[Ode Coyote]

  Use the conductivity setting and read the number 'as is' ..after it has 
stopped dropping over time.



** COM-100 Meters will be set to use As ISin CS before shipping.



All hand held PWT/TDS/PPM meters work the same way. They actually measure 
conductivity not PPM. They are simply not the same thing.




TDS (PPM) meters such as the TDS3 also measure conductivity but then 
convert that measurement to an estimated PPM using water industry standard 
tables for dissolved salts. [NaCl in this case] (also known as Total 
Dissolved Solids or TDS)




Since Ionic/Colloidal Silver is not a mineral salt, it behaves differently 
and requires a different technique for reading the TDS meter.




The reading can generally be taken as iswhen checking pure distilled water 
or when checking any other water source such as tap or well water. (ie 200 
on the meter = 200 PPM)


However, when checking Colloidal Silver made with pure distilled water the 
reading should be doubled. [If it reads 10, its actually 20 PPM of 
colloidal silver]




Due to range and resolution limitations,  when measuring colloidal silver 
with this meter  you should also allow for an error factor of at least +/- 
10% . So for example 10 on the TDS meter could be as high as 22 PPM or as 
low as 18 PPM of colloidal (when doubled).




Meters such as the Hanna PWT, the HM Digital EC3 and COM-100 read out 
directly in Microsiemens of Conductivity [uS].


The COM100 also reads out in 3 different scenarios for PPM depending on the 
suspected dominant mineral salt content.


Colloidal Silver water is NOT salt water.

All correlations were made with Spectrophotometer testing.



To get a good idea of what the PPM is in CS, measure the conductivity in uS 
the day AFTERthe batch is done and use 1uS = 1 PPM.


 This is not accurate beyond around 25 PPM in silver water and a batch may 
never register more than 30 uS the day after its done even though it may 
really be 50+ PPM




This method has been checked against samples tested by an Atomic Absorption 
Spectrophotometer at  a range average of  12 PPM at 85% readable ionic.




At 09:24 AM 6/13/2013 -0400, you wrote:
Hi - New member Dave N (hello out there). Just recently began brewing my 
own CS with a Silver Puppy generator. Started using bottled CS (Food for 
Health International's Activz Silver) after researching and pondering for 
about 2 years. I have ordered and will be using a nebulizer to control my 
slight asthma condition. Seeing that there are so many uses for CS for the 
home and personal sanitary purposes, I decided to start making my own. I 
have a question about which setting to set the COM-100 meter at. The 
directions state either the 442 or the NaCL setting. Since there is no 
salt either in the distilled water or the CS that I am brewing (from my 
best guesses), I am using the "442" setting but I just want to get more 
info from seasoned users. Thanks for any advice you can send my way. 
Regards, Dave N.


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Re: CS>New member with question about HM COM-100 meter

[James McDonald]

I use the NaCL as it is the closest to what the reading would be. Some say the 
read X 2 or 2.5 to be in "the ballpark" a tds meter does not measure silver it 
measures conductivity.




 From: Dave Neuman 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com"  
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 9:24 AM
Subject: CS>New member with question about HM COM-100 meter
 

Hi - New member Dave N (hello out there). Just recently began brewing my own CS 
with a Silver Puppy generator. Started using bottled CS (Food for Health 
International's Activz Silver) after researching and pondering for about 2 
years. I have ordered and will be using a nebulizer to control my slight asthma 
condition. Seeing that there are so many uses for CS for the home and personal 
sanitary purposes, I decided to start making my own. I have a question about 
which setting to set the COM-100 meter at. The directions state either the 442 
or the NaCL setting. Since there is no salt either in the distilled water or 
the CS that I am brewing (from my best guesses), I am using the "442" setting 
but I just want to get more info from seasoned users. Thanks for any advice you 
can send my way. Regards, Dave N.

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Re: CS>New member with question about HM COM-100 meter

[MaryAnn Helland]

Hi Dave -- welcome to our group!  Can't answer your question -- I have another 
brand of CS-maker -- but wanted to say *hi*!
MA




From: Dave Neuman 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Sent: Thu, June 13, 2013 8:30:27 AM
Subject: CS>New member with question about HM COM-100 meter

Hi - New member Dave N (hello out there). Just recently began brewing my own CS 
with a Silver Puppy generator. Started using bottled CS (Food for Health 
International's Activz Silver) after researching and pondering for about 2 
years. I have ordered and will be using a nebulizer to control my slight asthma 
condition. Seeing that there are so many uses for CS for the home and personal 
sanitary purposes, I decided to start making my own. I have a question about 
which setting to set the COM-100 meter at. The directions state either the 442 
or the NaCL setting. Since there is no salt either in the distilled water or 
the 
CS that I am brewing (from my best guesses), I am using the "442" setting but I 
just want to get more info from seasoned users. Thanks for any advice you can 
send my way. Regards, Dave N.

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CS>New member with question about HM COM-100 meter

[Dave Neuman]

Hi - New member Dave N (hello out there). Just recently began brewing my own CS 
with a Silver Puppy generator. Started using bottled CS (Food for Health 
International's Activz Silver) after researching and pondering for about 2 
years. I have ordered and will be using a nebulizer to control my slight asthma 
condition. Seeing that there are so many uses for CS for the home and personal 
sanitary purposes, I decided to start making my own. I have a question about 
which setting to set the COM-100 meter at. The directions state either the 442 
or the NaCL setting. Since there is no salt either in the distilled water or 
the CS that I am brewing (from my best guesses), I am using the "442" setting 
but I just want to get more info from seasoned users. Thanks for any advice you 
can send my way. Regards, Dave N.

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Re: CS>new member intro

[Marshall]

Go to bottom of message, follow instructions.

Marshall

On 3/24/2013 11:03 AM, JENNIFER BEASLEY wrote:

Please unsubscribe me from this list ...  many thanks everyone.




*From:* asif nathekar 
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*Sent:* Sunday, 24 March 2013, 14:49
*Subject:* Re: CS>new member intro

Correct although some resin type filters are tweaked to remove some 
fluoride
But for the best results it's RO or distillation in terms of cost and 
speed RO wins every time for drinking purposes.





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> finplan65 wrote:
>> Can someone please recommend a shower filter to filter not only the 
chlorine but also the flouride and other undesirable elements?

>>
> To the best of my current knowledge there is no filter that will 
remove fluoride. To get rid of fluoride takes distillation or reverse 
osmosis.

> Someone correct me if I am wrong.
> sol
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Re: CS>new member intro

[James McDonald]

You need to put in a whole house filter, first a sediment filter, then a 5 
micron charcoal filter right after then to the whole house with R/O units at 
the kitchen sink. This way works very well and does not cost a fortune.





 From: asif nathekar 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com"  
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: CS>new member intro
 
Correct although some resin type filters are tweaked to remove some fluoride
But for the best results it's RO or distillation in terms of cost and speed RO 
wins every time for drinking purposes.




On 24 Mar 2013, at 14:45, "sol"  wrote:

> finplan65 wrote:
>> Can someone please recommend a shower filter to filter not only the chlorine 
>> but also the flouride and other undesirable elements?
>> 
> To the best of my current knowledge there is no filter that will remove 
> fluoride. To get rid of fluoride takes distillation or reverse osmosis.
> Someone correct me if I am wrong.
> sol
> 
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Re: CS>new member intro

[RaVen]

http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistryhowtoguide/a/removefluoride.htm

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 24, 2013, at 8:45 AM, sol  wrote:

> finplan65 wrote:
>> Can someone please recommend a shower filter to filter not only the chlorine 
>> but also the flouride and other undesirable elements?
> To the best of my current knowledge there is no filter that will remove 
> fluoride. To get rid of fluoride takes distillation or reverse osmosis.
> Someone correct me if I am wrong.
> sol
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[Joe Huard]

That's partly true for drinking water, but you get much more fluoride 
through your skin while taking a bath or shower. So, there are whole 
house filters using alumina to get rid of fluoride. Kagi mentioned one 
that is very expensive, http://idealearthwater.com/whole-house-filter/ 
about 3 days ago.
http://www.friendsofwater.com/House_Filters.html this one is cheaper. 
There are more at 
https://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#hl=en&sugexp=eappsweb&gs_rn=7&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=gys7TgQGYuKapZjIEcQPrQ&cp=36&gs_id=3y&xhr=t&q=whole+house+activated+alumina+filter&es_nrs=true&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&oq=whole+house+activated+alumina+filter&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.44158598,d.Yms&fp=5792cdf058068fc9&biw=1440&bih=775


Joe H.
On 24/03/2013 10:49 AM, asif nathekar wrote:

Correct although some resin type filters are tweaked to remove some fluoride
But for the best results it's RO or distillation in terms of cost and speed RO 
wins every time for drinking purposes.




On 24 Mar 2013, at 14:45, "sol"  wrote:


finplan65 wrote:

Can someone please recommend a shower filter to filter not only the chlorine 
but also the flouride and other undesirable elements?


To the best of my current knowledge there is no filter that will remove 
fluoride. To get rid of fluoride takes distillation or reverse osmosis.
Someone correct me if I am wrong.
sol


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[JENNIFER BEASLEY]

Please unsubscribe me from this list ...  many thanks everyone.






 From: asif nathekar 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com"  
Sent: Sunday, 24 March 2013, 14:49
Subject: Re: CS>new member intro
 
Correct although some resin type filters are tweaked to remove some fluoride
But for the best results it's RO or distillation in terms of cost and speed RO 
wins every time for drinking purposes.




On 24 Mar 2013, at 14:45, "sol"  wrote:

> finplan65 wrote:
>> Can someone please recommend a shower filter to filter not only the chlorine 
>> but also the flouride and other undesirable elements?
>> 
> To the best of my current knowledge there is no filter that will remove 
> fluoride. To get rid of fluoride takes distillation or reverse osmosis.
> Someone correct me if I am wrong.
> sol
> 
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Re: CS>new member intro

[asif nathekar]

Correct although some resin type filters are tweaked to remove some fluoride
But for the best results it's RO or distillation in terms of cost and speed RO 
wins every time for drinking purposes.




On 24 Mar 2013, at 14:45, "sol"  wrote:

> finplan65 wrote:
>> Can someone please recommend a shower filter to filter not only the chlorine 
>> but also the flouride and other undesirable elements?
>> 
> To the best of my current knowledge there is no filter that will remove 
> fluoride. To get rid of fluoride takes distillation or reverse osmosis.
> Someone correct me if I am wrong.
> sol
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[sol]

finplan65 wrote:
Can someone please recommend a shower filter to filter not only the 
chlorine but also the flouride and other undesirable elements?


To the best of my current knowledge there is no filter that will remove 
fluoride. To get rid of fluoride takes distillation or reverse osmosis.

Someone correct me if I am wrong.
sol


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Re: CS>new member intro

[finplan65]

Can someone please recommend a shower filter to filter not only the chlorine 
but also the flouride and other undesirable elements?





 From: Joe Huard 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: CS>new member intro
 

I'm going to stick a couple of silver electrodes through the plastic cap and 
run current through them at a slow rate, less than 1 ma per square inch.
Joe

On 21/03/2013 9:55 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

 
>I'm with you, Joe.  What do the glass jars do?
>PT
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Joe Huard 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Thu, March 21, 2013 6:24:51 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>new member intro
>
>So PT, that leaves me to ask, what do you shower in? And the
part that doesn't smell but is much more dangerous is HFSA
under the pseudonym fluoride. I use a shower filter and
would use a whole house filter if it would get rid of
fluoride. We are presently trying to get the City of London
to stop putting fluoride in our water like many other cities
have done. Most recently, Windsor.
>I bought a 1 litre glass jar today with a plastic lid for $2
at the Dollarama Store. They have 1500 ml glass jars for the
same price.
>
>Joe H.
>
>
>On 21/03/2013 4:21 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:
>
>Hi Joe,
>>When I started someone told me to distill the water 7
  times for purity.  I find once through my distiller
  makes fine EIS... but it is amazing the smell of the
  distiller after I am done.  I don't want to think
  about taking that stuff into my body or even showering
  in it.
>>PT
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>____________
>>From: Joe Huard 
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>Sent: Thu, March 21, 2013 3:35:03 PM
>>Subject: Re: CS>new member intro
>>
>>Hi Asif,
>>I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply
1630. It will help with current limiting, so no need
for a "current limiting diode" or IC. However, if I
ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate
that route. I assume from my rusty old electronics
memory that you mean a zener diode. Is that correct? 
>>1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods
surface area?
>>The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good
cover; looking for that.
>>The double distilled water is news to me. I know
what it is, but none of the sites that I was on
mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for $1.39
was good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used
to sell distillers since 1980, and I know distilled
water in a plastic jug is not pure as it leaches the
plastic. I could double distill my water as I have 4
used distiller sitting around my basement doing
nothing. However, I will start with Reverse Osmosis
water put into a distiller, and that will be
identical.
>>
>>Joe
>>
>>
>>On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote:
>>
>>Hi Joe,
>>>Please also look at the silver cell process.
>>>
>>>
>>>Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use a 
>>>current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a dollar then 
>>>all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the current to a 
>>>maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better but then it takes longer 
>>>to brew. And remember a lower current will ensure smaller particles / more 
>>>actual ions.
>>>Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
>>>So please do not over think this. 
>>>More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and double 
>>>distilled water. 
>>>Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double distilled 
>>>water. 
>>>This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
>>>Best of luck
>>>Peace to all
>>>Asif.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: CS>new member intro

[Joe Huard]

I'm going to stick a couple of silver electrodes through the plastic cap 
and run current through them at a slow rate, less than 1 ma per square inch.

Joe
On 21/03/2013 9:55 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

I'm with you, Joe.  What do the glass jars do?
PT


*From:* Joe Huard 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thu, March 21, 2013 6:24:51 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>new member intro

So PT, that leaves me to ask, what do you shower in? And the part that 
doesn't smell but is much more dangerous is HFSA under the pseudonym 
fluoride. I use a shower filter and would use a whole house filter if 
it would get rid of fluoride. We are presently trying to get the City 
of London to stop putting fluoride in our water like many other cities 
have done. Most recently, Windsor.
I bought a 1 litre glass jar today with a plastic lid for $2 at the 
Dollarama Store. They have 1500 ml glass jars for the same price.


Joe H.

On 21/03/2013 4:21 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

Hi Joe,
When I started someone told me to distill the water 7 times for 
purity.  I find once through my distiller makes fine EIS... but it is 
amazing the smell of the distiller after I am done.  I don't want to 
think about taking that stuff into my body or even showering in it.

PT


*From:* Joe Huard 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thu, March 21, 2013 3:35:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>new member intro

Hi Asif,
I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help 
with current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or 
IC. However, if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate 
that route. I assume from my rusty old electronics memory that you 
mean a zener diode. Is that correct?

1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?
The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.
The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none 
of the sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled 
for $1.39 was good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to 
sell distillers since 1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic 
jug is not pure as it leaches the plastic. I could double distill my 
water as I have 4 used distiller sitting around my basement doing 
nothing. However, I will start with Reverse Osmosis water put into a 
distiller, and that will be identical.


Joe

On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote:

Hi Joe,
Please also look at the silver cell process.

Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you 
use a current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a 
dollar then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep 
the current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better 
but then it takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will 
ensure smaller particles / more actual ions.

Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
So please do not over think this.
More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover 
and double distilled water.
Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double 
distilled water.

This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
Best of luck
Peace to all
Asif.

Re: CS>new member intro

[PT Ferrance]

I'm with you, Joe.  What do the glass jars do?
PT





From: Joe Huard 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 21, 2013 6:24:51 PM
Subject: Re: CS>new member intro

So PT, that leaves me to ask, what do you shower in? And the part that 
doesn't smell but is much more dangerous is HFSA under the pseudonym 
fluoride. I use a shower filter and would use a whole house filter if it 
would get rid of fluoride. We are presently trying to get the City of 
London 
to stop putting fluoride in our water like many other cities have done. 
Most 
recently, Windsor.
I bought a 1 litre glass jar today with a plastic lid for $2 at the 
Dollarama Store. They have 1500 ml glass jars for the same price.

Joe H.


On 21/03/2013 4:21 PM, PT Ferrance   wrote:

Hi Joe,
>When I started someone told me to distill the water 7 times   for 
>purity.  I find once through my distiller makes fine   EIS... but it 
>is 
>amazing the smell of the distiller after I am   done.  I don't want to 
>think about taking that stuff into my   body or even showering in it.
>PT
>
>
>
>

From: Joe Huard 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Thu,           March 21, 2013 3:35:03 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>new member intro
>
>Hi Asif,
>I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will 
>help 
>with current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" 
>or 
>IC. However, if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate 
>that route. I assume from my rusty old electronics memory that you 
>mean a zener diode. Is that correct? 
>
>1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?
>The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for 
>that.
>The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but 
>none of the sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart 
>distilled for $1.39 was good enough. I was not swayed by that, as 
>I 
>used to sell distillers since 1980, and I know distilled water in 
>a 
>plastic jug is not pure as it leaches the plastic. I could double 
>distill my water as I have 4 used distiller sitting around my 
>basement doing nothing. However, I will start with Reverse Osmosis 
>water put into a distiller, and that will be identical.
>
>Joe
>
>
>On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif   nathekar wrote:
>
>Hi Joe,
>>Please also look at the silver cell process.
>>
>>
>>Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if 
>>you use a current limiting diode or current limiting ic 
>>costing 
>>around a dollar then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts 
>>supply and to keep the current to a maximum of 1ma per square 
>>inch, the less the better but then it takes longer to brew. 
>>And 
>>remember a lower current will ensure smaller particles / more 
>>actual ions.
>>Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
>>So please do not over think this. 
>>More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good 
>>cover and double distilled water. 
>>Even with the expensive machines they won't work without 
>>double 
>>distilled water. 
>>This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
>>Best of luck
>>Peace to all
>>Asif.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: CS>new member intro

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks, Asif.
PT





From: Asif Nathekar 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
Sent: Thu, March 21, 2013 5:39:07 PM
Subject: Re: CS>new member intro


Hi PT
I also found some people were getting good results with their single distilled 
water.
But in my particular case and also of some others too it had to be double 
distilled. Maybe the distillers had a design issue where some of the solubles 
were still getting through somehow? Until I had this problem I wouldn't have 
believed it either !
Now I go to the extent of boiling the water first to get rid of stuff with a 
lower boiling point and then I distill it.
I found that helped further.
Regards




On 21 Mar 2013, at 20:21, PT Ferrance  wrote:


Hi Joe,
>When I started someone told me to distill the water 7 times for purity.  I 
>find 
>once through my distiller makes fine EIS... but it is amazing the smell of the 
>distiller after I am done.  I don't want to think about taking that stuff into 
>my body or even showering in it.
>PT
>
>
>
>

From: Joe Huard 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Sent: Thu, March 21, 2013 3:35:03 PM
>Subject: Re: CS>new member intro
>
>Hi Asif,
>I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help with 
>current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or IC. 
>However, 
>if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate that route. I assume 
>from my rusty old electronics memory that you mean a zener diode. Is that 
>correct? 
>
>1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?
>The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.
>The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none of 
>the 
>sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for $1.39 
>was 
>good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell distillers since 
>1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is not pure as it 
>leaches 
>the plastic. I could double distill my water as I have 4 used distiller 
>sitting around my basement doing nothing. However, I will start with 
>Reverse 
>Osmosis water put into a distiller, and that will be identical.
>
>Joe
>
>
>On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar   wrote:
>
>Hi Joe,
>>Please also look at the silver cell process.
>>
>>
>>Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use 
>>a 
>>current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a dollar 
>>then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the 
>>current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better but 
>>then it takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will 
>>ensure 
>>smaller particles / more actual ions.
>>Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
>>So please do not over think this. 
>>More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and 
>>double distilled water. 
>>Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double 
>>distilled water. 
>>This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
>>Best of luck
>>Peace to all
>>Asif.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: CS>new member intro

[Joe Huard]

I'm in Canada, LOL. The Windsor, ON vote was last Nov. They got it out 
to the East in Waterloo, ON in 2010. I just don't want to spend valuable 
money on an alumina fluoride filter and then this city will stop putting 
in. I am also part of our local effort to lobby the stupid councillors 
at City Hall.

I'll check out the site, anyway. Thanks.

Joe
On 21/03/2013 8:50 PM, kagi wrote:
http://idealearthwater.com/whole-house-filter/ offers a fluoride 
removing whole house filter. Maybe there are similar whole house 
filters sold in the UK?


-Original Message- From: Joe Huard Sent: Thursday, 21 March, 
2013 17:24 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>new member intro 

 I use a shower filter and would use a whole house filter if it 
would get rid of fluoride. We are presently trying to get the City of 
London to stop putting fluoride in our water like many other cities 
have done. Most recently, Windsor.






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Re: CS>new member intro

[kagi]

http://idealearthwater.com/whole-house-filter/ 
offers a fluoride removing whole house filter. 
Maybe there are similar whole house filters sold in the UK?


-Original Message- 
From: Joe Huard 
Sent: Thursday, 21 March, 2013 17:24 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: CS>new member intro 

 I use a shower filter and would use a whole house filter if it 
would get rid of fluoride. We are presently trying to get the City of 
London to stop putting fluoride in our water like many other cities have 
done. Most recently, Windsor.






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Re: CS>new member intro

[James McDonald]

No not a zener diode but a CLD (Current Limiting Diode) this diode limits the 
current to a specific amount according to which one you pick out, 100uA, 470uA, 
1.0mA, 1.5mA or higher. I use the diuodes with a 100 volt max limit cause I use 
the 36VDC (4- 9 volt batteries). If I wish to use a higher voltage if I find a 
50VDC or 65VDC  transformer be nice to use.





 From: Asif Nathekar 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com"  
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: CS>new member intro
 
Each point addressed below




On 21 Mar 2013, at 19:34, Joe Huard  wrote:

> Hi Asif,
> I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help with 
> current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or IC.

Current limiting is in order of ma for most people that could be between 0.5 to 
2 ma for large silver electrodes
Most bench type supplies usually aren't equipped for currents that Low at that 
resolution. I am unaware of the specs of your psu so I have made assumptions.

> However, if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate that route. I 
> assume from my rusty old electronics memory that you mean a zener diode. Is 
> that correct? 
Nope zeners are for voltage. You will need a specific current limiting diode. 
I use an ic for that so cannot recommend one. The other members can advise.

> 1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?

Take the surface area of the side of silver you wish to use as your anode. And 
then only use the side that will face the cathode . Otherwise known as the 
brewing surface. As only the anode or positive side will be releasing the ions.
Take the measurement in square inches and use that to figure out your current. 
Remember no more than 1ma per square inch


> The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.

Use a borosilicate vessel. Other types of glass or plastic may leach their 
materials into the brew 

> The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none of the 
> sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for $1.39 was 
> good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell distillers since 
> 1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is not pure as it leaches 
> the plastic. I could double distill my water as I have 4 used distiller 
> sitting around my basement doing nothing. However, I will start with Reverse 
> Osmosis water put into a distiller, and that will be identical.

Agreed RO water plus a single distillation should do the trick!


Let us know how you get on

> 
> Joe
> 
> On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote:
>> Hi Joe,
>> Please also look at the silver cell process.
>> 
>> Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use a 
>> current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a dollar then 
>> all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the current to a 
>> maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better but then it takes longer 
>> to brew. And remember a lower current will ensure smaller particles / more 
>> actual ions.
>> Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
>> So please do not over think this. 
>> More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and double 
>> distilled water. 
>> Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double distilled 
>> water. 
>> This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
>> Best of luck
>> Peace to all
>> Asif.
> 


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Re: CS>new member intro

[Joe Huard]

So PT, that leaves me to ask, what do you shower in? And the part that 
doesn't smell but is much more dangerous is HFSA under the pseudonym 
fluoride. I use a shower filter and would use a whole house filter if it 
would get rid of fluoride. We are presently trying to get the City of 
London to stop putting fluoride in our water like many other cities have 
done. Most recently, Windsor.
I bought a 1 litre glass jar today with a plastic lid for $2 at the 
Dollarama Store. They have 1500 ml glass jars for the same price.


Joe H.

On 21/03/2013 4:21 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

Hi Joe,
When I started someone told me to distill the water 7 times for 
purity.  I find once through my distiller makes fine EIS... but it is 
amazing the smell of the distiller after I am done.  I don't want to 
think about taking that stuff into my body or even showering in it.

PT


*From:* Joe Huard 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thu, March 21, 2013 3:35:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>new member intro

Hi Asif,
I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help 
with current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or 
IC. However, if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate 
that route. I assume from my rusty old electronics memory that you 
mean a zener diode. Is that correct?

1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?
The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.
The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none 
of the sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled 
for $1.39 was good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell 
distillers since 1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is 
not pure as it leaches the plastic. I could double distill my water as 
I have 4 used distiller sitting around my basement doing nothing. 
However, I will start with Reverse Osmosis water put into a distiller, 
and that will be identical.


Joe

On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote:

Hi Joe,
Please also look at the silver cell process.

Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use 
a current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a 
dollar then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep 
the current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better 
but then it takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will 
ensure smaller particles / more actual ions.

Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
So please do not over think this.
More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and 
double distilled water.
Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double 
distilled water.

This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
Best of luck
Peace to all
Asif.

Re: CS>new member intro

[Asif Nathekar]

Hi PT
I also found some people were getting good results with their single distilled 
water.
But in my particular case and also of some others too it had to be double 
distilled. Maybe the distillers had a design issue where some of the solubles 
were still getting through somehow? Until I had this problem I wouldn't have 
believed it either !
Now I go to the extent of boiling the water first to get rid of stuff with a 
lower boiling point and then I distill it.
I found that helped further.
Regards




On 21 Mar 2013, at 20:21, PT Ferrance  wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> When I started someone told me to distill the water 7 times for purity.  I 
> find once through my distiller makes fine EIS... but it is amazing the smell 
> of the distiller after I am done.  I don't want to think about taking that 
> stuff into my body or even showering in it.
> PT
> 
> From: Joe Huard 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Thu, March 21, 2013 3:35:03 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>new member intro
> 
> Hi Asif,
> I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help with 
> current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or IC. However, 
> if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate that route. I assume 
> from my rusty old electronics memory that you mean a zener diode. Is that 
> correct? 
> 1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?
> The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.
> The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none of the 
> sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for $1.39 was 
> good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell distillers since 
> 1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is not pure as it leaches 
> the plastic. I could double distill my water as I have 4 used distiller 
> sitting around my basement doing nothing. However, I will start with Reverse 
> Osmosis water put into a distiller, and that will be identical.
> 
> Joe
> 
> On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote:
>> Hi Joe,
>> Please also look at the silver cell process.
>> 
>> Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use a 
>> current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a 
>> dollar then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the 
>> current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better but then it 
>> takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will ensure smaller 
>> particles / more actual ions.
>> Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
>> So please do not over think this. 
>> More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and double 
>> distilled water. 
>> Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double distilled 
>> water. 
>> This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
>> Best of luck
>> Peace to all
>> Asif.
> 

Re: CS>new member intro

[Asif Nathekar]

Each point addressed below




On 21 Mar 2013, at 19:34, Joe Huard  wrote:

> Hi Asif,
> I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help with 
> current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or IC.

Current limiting is in order of ma for most people that could be between 0.5 to 
2 ma for large silver electrodes
Most bench type supplies usually aren't equipped for currents that Low at that 
resolution. I am unaware of the specs of your psu so I have made assumptions.

> However, if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate that route. I 
> assume from my rusty old electronics memory that you mean a zener diode. Is 
> that correct? 
Nope zeners are for voltage. You will need a specific current limiting diode. 
I use an ic for that so cannot recommend one. The other members can advise.

> 1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?

Take the surface area of the side of silver you wish to use as your anode. And 
then only use the side that will face the cathode . Otherwise known as the 
brewing surface. As only the anode or positive side will be releasing the ions.
Take the measurement in square inches and use that to figure out your current. 
Remember no more than 1ma per square inch


> The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.

Use a borosilicate vessel. Other types of glass or plastic may leach their 
materials into the brew 

> The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none of the 
> sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for $1.39 was 
> good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell distillers since 
> 1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is not pure as it leaches 
> the plastic. I could double distill my water as I have 4 used distiller 
> sitting around my basement doing nothing. However, I will start with Reverse 
> Osmosis water put into a distiller, and that will be identical.

Agreed RO water plus a single distillation should do the trick!


Let us know how you get on

> 
> Joe
> 
> On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote:
>> Hi Joe,
>> Please also look at the silver cell process.
>> 
>> Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use a 
>> current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a dollar then 
>> all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the current to a 
>> maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better but then it takes longer 
>> to brew. And remember a lower current will ensure smaller particles / more 
>> actual ions.
>> Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
>> So please do not over think this. 
>> More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and double 
>> distilled water. 
>> Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double distilled 
>> water. 
>> This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
>> Best of luck
>> Peace to all
>> Asif.
> 


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Re: CS>new member intro

[PT Ferrance]

Hi Joe,
When I started someone told me to distill the water 7 times for purity.  I find 
once through my distiller makes fine EIS... but it is amazing the smell of the 
distiller after I am done.  I don't want to think about taking that stuff into 
my body or even showering in it.
PT





From: Joe Huard 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 21, 2013 3:35:03 PM
Subject: Re: CS>new member intro

Hi Asif,
I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help with 
current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or IC. However, 
if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate that route. I assume 
from my rusty old electronics memory that you mean a zener diode. Is that 
correct? 

1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?
The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.
The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none of 
the 
sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for $1.39 was 
good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell distillers since 
1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is not pure as it leaches 
the plastic. I could double distill my water as I have 4 used distiller 
sitting around my basement doing nothing. However, I will start with 
Reverse 
Osmosis water put into a distiller, and that will be identical.

Joe


On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar   wrote:

Hi Joe,
>Please also look at the silver cell process.
>
>
>Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use 
>a 
>current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a dollar 
>then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the 
>current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better but 
>then it takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will ensure 
>smaller particles / more actual ions.
>Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
>So please do not over think this. 
>More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and 
>double distilled water. 
>Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double 
>distilled water. 
>This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
>Best of luck
>Peace to all
>Asif.
>
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>new member intro

[Joe Huard]

Hi Asif,
I already own a BK Precision 30 V DC Power Supply 1630. It will help 
with current limiting, so no need for a "current limiting diode" or IC. 
However, if I ever make one for someone else, I'll investigate that 
route. I assume from my rusty old electronics memory that you mean a 
zener diode. Is that correct?

1 ma per square in of what? One or 2 silver rods surface area?
The brewing vessel is what I need, with a good cover; looking for that.
The double distilled water is news to me. I know what it is, but none of 
the sites that I was on mentioned it. They said Walmart distilled for 
$1.39 was good enough. I was not swayed by that, as I used to sell 
distillers since 1980, and I know distilled water in a plastic jug is 
not pure as it leaches the plastic. I could double distill my water as I 
have 4 used distiller sitting around my basement doing nothing. However, 
I will start with Reverse Osmosis water put into a distiller, and that 
will be identical.


Joe

On 21/03/2013 12:26 PM, asif nathekar wrote:

Hi Joe,
Please also look at the silver cell process.

Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use 
a current limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a 
dollar then all you need is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep 
the current to a maximum of 1ma per square inch, the less the better 
but then it takes longer to brew. And remember a lower current will 
ensure smaller particles / more actual ions.

Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
So please do not over think this.
More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and 
double distilled water.
Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double 
distilled water.

This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
Best of luck
Peace to all
Asif.

Re: CS>new member intro

[asif nathekar]

Hi Joe,
Please also look at the silver cell process.

Many here have found that the simplest way is the best and if you use a current 
limiting diode or current limiting ic costing around a dollar then all you need 
is a 30 v or thereabouts supply and to keep the current to a maximum of 1ma per 
square inch, the less the better but then it takes longer to brew. And remember 
a lower current will ensure smaller particles / more actual ions.
Also a low current will eliminate the need for stirring.
So please do not over think this. 
More important is a good quality brewing vessel with a good cover and double 
distilled water. 
Even with the expensive machines they won't work without double distilled 
water. 
This doesn't need anymore engineering than current limiting.
Best of luck
Peace to all
Asif.



On 21 Mar 2013, at 13:28, "Joe Huard"  wrote:

> Thanks PT. 
> When I wrote about the silver-colloids report of 32 brands, I wrote it wrong. 
> The fifth place should have been written as fifth last, or 28th for the SG-7. 
> The brand that was number one was Mesosilver. Do you think that Mesosilver 
> owns silver-colloids.com? I need to do a lot more reading before I invest any 
> money. I read a whole lot of info on the silvermedicine.org site. I found out 
> that the current should be limited to under 40 mA (ideally 5-20mA). To 
> achieve that I can use a regulated power supply and a digital meter. I also 
> learned that stirring keeps the current down. I will probably build a 
> homemade DC unit with a motor to stir with, unless I find even better plans 
> for an AC unit.
> I'm waiting on a new transformer to arrive in the mail so I can finish 
> Carmi's heating pad idea. I also got one of those amplified lineman's pickup 
> coils from Winnipeg, but made in China.
> 
> Bye for now,
> Joe H.
> On 20/03/2013 5:38 PM, PT Ferrance   wrote:
>> Hi Joe, PT here.  I joined this group a number of years ago   and 
>> have enjoyed it from the beginning.  Everyone is helpful and willing to 
>> share.  I purchased a silverpuppy from Ode and have been very happy with it 
>> as all I need to do is plug it in and let it work.  When the CS/EIS is done 
>> it turns itself   off.  If I want something stronger I can override.
>> Nice to see you on another forum.
>> PT
>> 
>> From: Joe Huard 
>> Sent: Wed, March 20, 2013 4:05:22 PM
>> Subject: CS>new member intro
>> 
>> Hi Group,
>> I just joined this list 2 days ago. I looked in the archives and 
>> saw many names that I recognized from some of the Yahoo groups I am in.
>> I would like to know how to make CS or EIS, whatever is better 
>> or cheaper or easier. I am not really flush with money, but I have enough. I 
>> read an article on Mercola's site that gave some other websites about CS. 
>> http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html has a report on 32 
>> brands of CS, with the home made brew only in fifth place, and that is with 
>> a $700 SG-7. I also saw a video on YouTube showing a 3 times 9 volt battery 
>> setup that appeared to work. There are big differences between those 2 
>> devices.
>> I have access to distilled water as I have 4 older machines that I can get 
>> working. I use RO for my drinking water.
>> I also have a 30 volt 3amp regulated DC power supply. I read that 30 volts 
>> was best, but 27 volts good enough. But, I also read that AC current is 
>> best. If AC current is best, what frequency is best and what is the correct 
>> current to make the smallest silver particles?
>> If DC is better, I can set the power supply to limit the current if I know 
>> what the limit should be.
>> I read that someone from this list considers 85% ionic silver 
>> and 15% colloidal silver optimal. Is this the consensus? Is 100% CS 
>> impossible to obtain, or undesirable due to cost or ineffectiveness?
>> 
>> Enough questions for now,
>> 
>> Joe H.
>> 
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Re: CS>new member intro

[Joe Huard]

Thanks PT.
When I wrote about the silver-colloids report of 32 brands, I wrote it 
wrong. The fifth place should have been written as fifth last, or 28th 
for the SG-7. The brand that was number one was Mesosilver. Do you think 
that Mesosilver owns silver-colloids.com? I need to do a lot more 
reading before I invest any money. I read a whole lot of info on the 
silvermedicine.org site. I found out that the current should be limited 
to under 40 mA (ideally 5-20mA). To achieve that I can use a regulated 
power supply and a digital meter. I also learned that stirring keeps the 
current down. I will probably build a homemade DC unit with a motor to 
stir with, unless I find even better plans for an AC unit.
I'm waiting on a new transformer to arrive in the mail so I can finish 
Carmi's heating pad idea. I also got one of those amplified lineman's 
pickup coils from Winnipeg, but made in China.


Bye for now,
Joe H.
On 20/03/2013 5:38 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:
Hi Joe, PT here.  I joined this group a number of years ago and have 
enjoyed it from the beginning.  Everyone is helpful and willing to 
share.  I purchased a silverpuppy from Ode and have been very happy 
with it as all I need to do is plug it in and let it work.  When the 
CS/EIS is done it turns itself off.  If I want something stronger I 
can override.

Nice to see you on another forum.
PT


*From:* Joe Huard 
*Sent:* Wed, March 20, 2013 4:05:22 PM
*Subject:* CS>new member intro

Hi Group,
I just joined this list 2 days ago. I looked in the archives and saw 
many names that I recognized from some of the Yahoo groups I am in.
I would like to know how to make CS or EIS, whatever is better or 
cheaper or easier. I am not really flush with money, but I have 
enough. I read an article on Mercola's site that gave some other 
websites about CS. http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html 
has a report on 32 brands of CS, with the home made brew only in fifth 
place, and that is with a $700 SG-7. I also saw a video on YouTube 
showing a 3 times 9 volt battery setup that appeared to work. There 
are big differences between those 2 devices.
I have access to distilled water as I have 4 older machines that I can 
get working. I use RO for my drinking water.
I also have a 30 volt 3amp regulated DC power supply. I read that 30 
volts was best, but 27 volts good enough. But, I also read that AC 
current is best. If AC current is best, what frequency is best and 
what is the correct current to make the smallest silver particles?
If DC is better, I can set the power supply to limit the current if I 
know what the limit should be.
I read that someone from this list considers 85% ionic silver and 15% 
colloidal silver optimal. Is this the consensus? Is 100% CS impossible 
to obtain, or undesirable due to cost or ineffectiveness?


Enough questions for now,

Joe H.


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Re: CS>new member intro

[Teri]

HI Joe,

I have the SG 7 and also the smaller unit from SilverGen.  All I can 
say is that I have the highest respect from Trem and his product. It 
is so easy to use and because it makes up to 5 gallons at one time I 
have plenty to share or sell.  My machine has paid for itself over 
the years I've owned it. Never have had any issues.


Teri

At 04:03 PM 3/20/2013, you wrote:

Hi Group,
I just joined this list 2 days ago. I looked in the archives and saw 
many names that I recognized from some of the Yahoo groups I am in.
I would like to know how to make CS or EIS, whatever is better or 
cheaper or easier. I am not really flush with money, but I have 
enough. I read an article on Mercola's site that gave some other 
websites about CS. 
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html has a report on 
32 brands of CS, with the home made brew only in fifth place, and 
that is with a $700 SG-7. I also saw a video on YouTube showing a 3 
times 9 volt battery setup that appeared to work. There are big 
differences between those 2 devices.
I have access to distilled water as I have 4 older machines that I 
can get working. I use RO for my drinking water.
I also have a 30 volt 3amp regulated DC power supply. I read that 30 
volts was best, but 27 volts good enough. But, I also read that AC 
current is best. If AC current is best, what frequency is best and 
what is the correct current to make the smallest silver particles?
If DC is better, I can set the power supply to limit the current if 
I know what the limit should be.
I read that someone from this list considers 85% ionic silver and 
15% colloidal silver optimal. Is this the consensus? Is 100% CS 
impossible to obtain, or undesirable due to cost or ineffectiveness?


Enough questions for now,

Joe H.


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Re: CS>new member intro

[PT Ferrance]

Hi Joe, PT here.  I joined this group a number of years ago and have enjoyed it 
from the beginning.  Everyone is helpful and willing to share.  I purchased a 
silverpuppy from Ode and have been very happy with it as all I need to do is 
plug it in and let it work.  When the CS/EIS is done it turns itself off.  If I 
want something stronger I can override.
Nice to see you on another forum.
PT





From: Joe Huard 
Sent: Wed, March 20, 2013 4:05:22 PM
Subject: CS>new member intro

Hi Group,
I just joined this list 2 days ago. I looked in the archives and saw many names 
that I recognized from some of the Yahoo groups I am in.
I would like to know how to make CS or EIS, whatever is better or cheaper or 
easier. I am not really flush with money, but I have enough. I read an article 
on Mercola's site that gave some other websites about CS. 
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html has a report on 32 brands 
of 
CS, with the home made brew only in fifth place, and that is with a $700 SG-7. 
I 
also saw a video on YouTube showing a 3 times 9 volt battery setup that 
appeared 
to work. There are big differences between those 2 devices.
I have access to distilled water as I have 4 older machines that I can get 
working. I use RO for my drinking water.
I also have a 30 volt 3amp regulated DC power supply. I read that 30 volts was 
best, but 27 volts good enough. But, I also read that AC current is best. If AC 
current is best, what frequency is best and what is the correct current to make 
the smallest silver particles?
If DC is better, I can set the power supply to limit the current if I know what 
the limit should be.
I read that someone from this list considers 85% ionic silver and 15% colloidal 
silver optimal. Is this the consensus? Is 100% CS impossible to obtain, or 
undesirable due to cost or ineffectiveness?

Enough questions for now,

Joe H.


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CS>new member intro

[Joe Huard]

Hi Group,
I just joined this list 2 days ago. I looked in the archives and saw 
many names that I recognized from some of the Yahoo groups I am in.
I would like to know how to make CS or EIS, whatever is better or 
cheaper or easier. I am not really flush with money, but I have enough. 
I read an article on Mercola's site that gave some other websites about 
CS. http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html has a report on 
32 brands of CS, with the home made brew only in fifth place, and that 
is with a $700 SG-7. I also saw a video on YouTube showing a 3 times 9 
volt battery setup that appeared to work. There are big differences 
between those 2 devices.
I have access to distilled water as I have 4 older machines that I can 
get working. I use RO for my drinking water.
I also have a 30 volt 3amp regulated DC power supply. I read that 30 
volts was best, but 27 volts good enough. But, I also read that AC 
current is best. If AC current is best, what frequency is best and what 
is the correct current to make the smallest silver particles?
If DC is better, I can set the power supply to limit the current if I 
know what the limit should be.
I read that someone from this list considers 85% ionic silver and 15% 
colloidal silver optimal. Is this the consensus? Is 100% CS impossible 
to obtain, or undesirable due to cost or ineffectiveness?


Enough questions for now,

Joe H.


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Re: CS>New Member

[Joyce Miller]

Thanks, Mary Ann. I am looking forward to learning a lot about what I
have been taking for granted.

Joyce

On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:06 PM, MaryAnn Helland
 wrote:
> Welcome Joyce!  Glad to have you here.
> Mary Ann
>
> 
> From: Joyce Miller 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Tue, December 20, 2011 3:11:27 PM
> Subject: CS>New Member
>
> Just to introduce myself: I am Joyce Miller and we use a lot of CS
> My husband, Gene Wolfe, is a member of this list, and he keeps us in CS
> Decided that I want to know more about Colloidal Silver
>
> Thank you for having me on the list,
>
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Re: CS>New Member

[MaryAnn Helland]

Welcome Joyce!  Glad to have you here.
Mary Ann





From: Joyce Miller 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, December 20, 2011 3:11:27 PM
Subject: CS>New Member

Just to introduce myself: I am Joyce Miller and we use a lot of CS
My husband, Gene Wolfe, is a member of this list, and he keeps us in CS
Decided that I want to know more about Colloidal Silver

Thank you for having me on the list,

Joyce Miller

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CS>New Member

[Joyce Miller]

Just to introduce myself: I am Joyce Miller and we use a lot of CS
My husband, Gene Wolfe, is a member of this list, and he keeps us in CS
Decided that I want to know more about Colloidal Silver

Thank you for having me on the list,

Joyce Miller

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CS>New member - Tetrasilver

[marshall nelson]

silver-list@eskimo.com
I just joined the list because I use CS extensively to great advantage.
About a quart every three or four days. I want to learn as much as I can
about usage, ways to make, and advantages of the various types. I have used
silver protein, nonionic colloids and the standard CS made with distilled
water, silver strips or wires and a few 9 volt batteries or power supply.

I recently read about the purported advantages of and suppression of
tetrasilver. Can anyone comment on this? I hope to obtain some if possible
to get first hand experience.

Please contact me directly if you have an interest in this unique form of
silver.

Marshall Nelson
mnels...@gmail.com

Re: CS>new member interest: morgellons

[Marshall]

I have read posts where people say the following can help or cure:

Zapper
colloidal silver
MMS
orgonite

It certainly would not hurt to give any of them a try.

Marshall

On 6/30/2011 6:23 PM, Harold Long wrote:
Am particularly interested in any experiences of list members in using 
CS to
deal with morgellons.  Several friends are afflicted, but thankfully 
their
condition is not nearly as debilitating as many about which I've 
read.  Have
tried baths with baking soda, H2O2, Sun detergent w/bleach + barley 
powder, and
even gasoline (dabbed on lesions).  Nothing has been consistently or 
completely

effective, although healing waxes and wanes with new or renewed eruptions
occurring spontaneously but intermittently. Lesions sprouting fibers 
appear on
arms, hands, face, neck, chest, back, tush.  Recently began dabbing 
lesions with
CS and taking it internally as well.  Seems to be helping, but not an 
instant
cure.  There may be none, of course.  Been a problem for over a year 
and while

bearable, it's getting really old.  Any help would be appreciated. Thanx.

Harold

Re: CS>new member interest: morgellons

[Dan Nave]

Harold,

Don't have any personal experience with Morgellons, but on reading
your post and the replies you note using the Sun Detergent with Bleach
and Barley powder.  The other post mentions using using ALFALFA
powder.  Also, use the COLORSAFE Bleach as it is different than
regular bleach.  Hope this is helpful.  Good luck.

Dan

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Harold Long  wrote:
> Am particularly interested in any experiences of list members in using CS to
> deal with morgellons.  Several friends are afflicted, but thankfully their
> condition is not nearly as debilitating as many about which I've read.  Have
> tried baths with baking soda, H2O2, Sun detergent w/bleach + barley powder,
> and
> even gasoline (dabbed on lesions).  Nothing has been consistently or
> completely
> effective, although healing waxes and wanes with new or renewed eruptions
> occurring spontaneously but intermittently. Lesions sprouting fibers appear
> on
> arms, hands, face, neck, chest, back, tush.  Recently began dabbing lesions
> with
> CS and taking it internally as well.  Seems to be helping, but not an
> instant
> cure.  There may be none, of course.  Been a problem for over a year and
> while
> bearable, it's getting really old.  Any help would be appreciated. Thanx.
>
> Harold


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Re: CS>new member interest: morgellons

[Marshall]

Yes, this email has been circulating the net for the last 3 or so 
years.  It received a lot of attention on Mike's silver list some time ago.


Marshall

On 6/30/2011 8:12 PM, Smitty wrote:


Have you seen this ?

Mystery skin disease reporta positive treatment for Morgellons?

By Daisy Baleen

Posted on Health and Healing @ Yahoogroups.com

I have been Morgellons sufferer for over ten years.

Recently, I discovered, quite by accident, something that is literally
making it disappear from my BODY.

As I am sure fellow sufferers can relate to, over the years, I have
experimented with various "super baths," filling the tub with hot water
and putting in things like lemons, baking soda, dish detergent, laundry
detergent, alcohol, etcwell, one day about four months ago, I was
filling the bath and I was pretty dirty from housecleaning so I put some
Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe bleach into the water,
just a tad, because it really cleans the skin so good, and once I finish
with the bath, I scrub it off with regular soap and a scrubby thing that
is regularly disinfected.

Anyway, I left the bathroom for a minute or two and heard a crash that
sounded like one of my cats getting into something. When I returned to
the bathroom, nothing seemed amiss, so I got undressed and slid into the
water for a soak.

Everything seemed normal until the bubbles parted, and I got the sight
of a morgellons sufferers' lifetime: those black and grey specks
MIGRATING OUT OF MY SKIN AS FAST AS THEY COULD IN DROVES BY THE HUNDREDS
FROM EVERY SQUARE INCH OF MY BODY!!

And even as I saw that, I also noticed several large oblong things
"dissolving" in the bottom of the tub. I picked one up, and it was an
alfalfa tablet. Then I noticed the bottle on the counter next to the tub
was overturned, and about 25 of them had fallen into the water!

They were the cause of the migration of all things Morgellon out of my
skin in a fantastic migration for about an hour! Brown flecks, black
specks, fibers, white patches of fibers drifted off the surface of my
skin like No Problema, see ya later, something I had NEVER BEEN ABLE TO
ACCOMPLISH WITH ANY OTHER TOPICAL AGENT.

THE MIGHTY ALFALFA HAS SINCE CONQUERED MORGELLONS IN MY BODY.

The scabs are gone, the fibers are history, the patches of fibers are
all taped to a piece of wax paper and about to be sent off to a research
lab that has requested them.

I am sending you my testimonial in hopes that other sufferers will at
least know some relief from the scourge of the skin.

Dandelion the Flame Point Siamese must be credited with this miraculous
discovery. He is only three years old, but he's a hero to his
long-suffering Mommy!

I've done a little research on the mighty alfalfa, and apparently it
creates an alkaline environment in the body in which things like CANCER
and other diseases cannot survive. So, taking it internally can only be
a good thing, also; but it's the BATHS that made all the difference in
the world for me.

I also tried putting St. Johns Wort in the bath along with it, with even
better results. And for some reason, using the Sun powdered laundry
detergent with colorsafe bleach also helps facilitate the migration of
the specks.

God, I really hope this helps even one person as it has helped me.

It has cleared up my symptoms so completely that I kept forgetting to
post this information on the morgellons websites

(Editor's note: The author of this article attributed the success of
this treatment to the alfalfa tablets. However, it appears that the
success came from the COMBINATION of Sun powdered laundry detergent with
colorsafe Bleach PLUS Alfalfa Tablets.

###
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Sandy > wrote:


Hi Harold,

If I were you I'd try some borax [twenty mule team]. If the
lesions can take it use a soft toothbrush and gently clean the
lesions with that then use some CS on them and continue to take
internally. If they cannot handle a soft brush then just mix a bit
with water and make a paste and gently rub it in with your
fingers. I've used borax to clear up an extremely bad case of toe
nail fungus so I know it's powerful. Have you tried putting iodine
on the lesions? I know this is a long shot but it's worth a try, IMHO.

Best of luck,

Sandy


--- On *Thu, 6/30/11, Harold Long /mailto:longwaysh...@yahoo.com>>/* wrote:

Any help would be appreciated. Thanx.

Harold

Re: CS>new member interest: morgellons

[mborgert]

I saw this a few years ago posted here, I told a person suffering with this, he 
did as the instructions said and it was a instant success

.
Thanks
Mary




From: Smitty 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 5:12:35 PM
Subject: Re: CS>new member interest: morgellons


Have you seen this ? 

Mystery skin disease reporta positive treatment for Morgellons?

By Daisy Baleen

Posted on Health and Healing @ Yahoogroups.com

I have been Morgellons sufferer for over ten years.

Recently, I discovered, quite by accident, something that is literally 
making it disappear from my BODY.

As I am sure fellow sufferers can relate to, over the years, I have 
experimented with various "super baths," filling the tub with hot water 
and putting in things like lemons, baking soda, dish detergent, laundry 
detergent, alcohol, etcwell, one day about four months ago, I was 
filling the bath and I was pretty dirty from housecleaning so I put some 
Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe bleach into the water, 
just a tad, because it really cleans the skin so good, and once I finish 
with the bath, I scrub it off with regular soap and a scrubby thing that 
is regularly disinfected.

Anyway, I left the bathroom for a minute or two and heard a crash that 
sounded like one of my cats getting into something. When I returned to 
the bathroom, nothing seemed amiss, so I got undressed and slid into the 
water for a soak.

Everything seemed normal until the bubbles parted, and I got the sight 
of a morgellons sufferers' lifetime: those black and grey specks 
MIGRATING OUT OF MY SKIN AS FAST AS THEY COULD IN DROVES BY THE HUNDREDS 
FROM EVERY SQUARE INCH OF MY BODY!!

And even as I saw that, I also noticed several large oblong things 
"dissolving" in the bottom of the tub. I picked one up, and it was an 
alfalfa tablet. Then I noticed the bottle on the counter next to the tub 
was overturned, and about 25 of them had fallen into the water!

They were the cause of the migration of all things Morgellon out of my 
skin in a fantastic migration for about an hour! Brown flecks, black 
specks, fibers, white patches of fibers drifted off the surface of my 
skin like No Problema, see ya later, something I had NEVER BEEN ABLE TO 
ACCOMPLISH WITH ANY OTHER TOPICAL AGENT.

THE MIGHTY ALFALFA HAS SINCE CONQUERED MORGELLONS IN MY BODY.

The scabs are gone, the fibers are history, the patches of fibers are 
all taped to a piece of wax paper and about to be sent off to a research 
lab that has requested them.

I am sending you my testimonial in hopes that other sufferers will at 
least know some relief from the scourge of the skin.

Dandelion the Flame Point Siamese must be credited with this miraculous 
discovery. He is only three years old, but he's a hero to his 
long-suffering Mommy!

I've done a little research on the mighty alfalfa, and apparently it 
creates an alkaline environment in the body in which things like CANCER 
and other diseases cannot survive. So, taking it internally can only be 
a good thing, also; but it's the BATHS that made all the difference in 
the world for me.

I also tried putting St. Johns Wort in the bath along with it, with even 
better results. And for some reason, using the Sun powdered laundry 
detergent with colorsafe bleach also helps facilitate the migration of 
the specks.

God, I really hope this helps even one person as it has helped me.

It has cleared up my symptoms so completely that I kept forgetting to 
post this information on the morgellons websites

(Editor's note: The author of this article attributed the success of 
this treatment to the alfalfa tablets. However, it appears that the 
success came from the COMBINATION of Sun powdered laundry detergent with 
colorsafe Bleach PLUS Alfalfa Tablets.
###

On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Sandy  wrote:

Hi Harold,
>
>If I were you I'd try some borax [twenty mule team]. If the lesions can take 
>it 
>use a soft toothbrush and gently clean the lesions with that then use some CS 
>on 
>them and continue to take internally. If they cannot handle a soft brush then 
>just mix a bit with water and make a paste and gently rub it in with your 
>fingers. I've used borax to clear up an extremely bad case of toe nail fungus 
>so 
>I know it's powerful. Have you tried putting iodine on the lesions? I know 
>this 
>is a long shot but it's worth a try, IMHO.
>
>Best of luck,
>
>Sandy 
>
>
>--- On Thu, 6/30/11, Harold Long  wrote:
>
>Any help would be appreciated. Thanx.
>>
>>Harold
>>
>> 
>> 

Re: CS>new member interest: morgellons

[Smitty]

Have you seen this ?

Mystery skin disease reporta positive treatment for Morgellons?

By Daisy Baleen

Posted on Health and Healing @ Yahoogroups.com

I have been Morgellons sufferer for over ten years.

Recently, I discovered, quite by accident, something that is literally
making it disappear from my BODY.

As I am sure fellow sufferers can relate to, over the years, I have
experimented with various "super baths," filling the tub with hot water
and putting in things like lemons, baking soda, dish detergent, laundry
detergent, alcohol, etcwell, one day about four months ago, I was
filling the bath and I was pretty dirty from housecleaning so I put some
Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe bleach into the water,
just a tad, because it really cleans the skin so good, and once I finish
with the bath, I scrub it off with regular soap and a scrubby thing that
is regularly disinfected.

Anyway, I left the bathroom for a minute or two and heard a crash that
sounded like one of my cats getting into something. When I returned to
the bathroom, nothing seemed amiss, so I got undressed and slid into the
water for a soak.

Everything seemed normal until the bubbles parted, and I got the sight
of a morgellons sufferers' lifetime: those black and grey specks
MIGRATING OUT OF MY SKIN AS FAST AS THEY COULD IN DROVES BY THE HUNDREDS
FROM EVERY SQUARE INCH OF MY BODY!!

And even as I saw that, I also noticed several large oblong things
"dissolving" in the bottom of the tub. I picked one up, and it was an
alfalfa tablet. Then I noticed the bottle on the counter next to the tub
was overturned, and about 25 of them had fallen into the water!

They were the cause of the migration of all things Morgellon out of my
skin in a fantastic migration for about an hour! Brown flecks, black
specks, fibers, white patches of fibers drifted off the surface of my
skin like No Problema, see ya later, something I had NEVER BEEN ABLE TO
ACCOMPLISH WITH ANY OTHER TOPICAL AGENT.

THE MIGHTY ALFALFA HAS SINCE CONQUERED MORGELLONS IN MY BODY.

The scabs are gone, the fibers are history, the patches of fibers are
all taped to a piece of wax paper and about to be sent off to a research
lab that has requested them.

I am sending you my testimonial in hopes that other sufferers will at
least know some relief from the scourge of the skin.

Dandelion the Flame Point Siamese must be credited with this miraculous
discovery. He is only three years old, but he's a hero to his
long-suffering Mommy!

I've done a little research on the mighty alfalfa, and apparently it
creates an alkaline environment in the body in which things like CANCER
and other diseases cannot survive. So, taking it internally can only be
a good thing, also; but it's the BATHS that made all the difference in
the world for me.

I also tried putting St. Johns Wort in the bath along with it, with even
better results. And for some reason, using the Sun powdered laundry
detergent with colorsafe bleach also helps facilitate the migration of
the specks.

God, I really hope this helps even one person as it has helped me.

It has cleared up my symptoms so completely that I kept forgetting to
post this information on the morgellons websites

(Editor's note: The author of this article attributed the success of
this treatment to the alfalfa tablets. However, it appears that the
success came from the COMBINATION of Sun powdered laundry detergent with
colorsafe Bleach PLUS Alfalfa Tablets.
###
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Sandy  wrote:

> Hi Harold,
>
> If I were you I'd try some borax [twenty mule team]. If the lesions can
> take it use a soft toothbrush and gently clean the lesions with that then
> use some CS on them and continue to take internally. If they cannot handle a
> soft brush then just mix a bit with water and make a paste and gently rub it
> in with your fingers. I've used borax to clear up an extremely bad case of
> toe nail fungus so I know it's powerful. Have you tried putting iodine on
> the lesions? I know this is a long shot but it's worth a try, IMHO.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Sandy
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 6/30/11, Harold Long * wrote:
>
> Any help would be appreciated. Thanx.
>
> Harold
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>new member interest: morgellons

[Sandy]

Hi Harold,

If I were you I'd try some borax [twenty mule team]. If the lesions can take it 
use a soft toothbrush and gently clean the lesions with that then use some CS 
on them and continue to take internally. If they cannot handle a soft brush 
then just mix a bit with water and make a paste and gently rub it in with your 
fingers. I've used borax to clear up an extremely bad case of toe nail fungus 
so I know it's powerful. Have you tried putting iodine on the lesions? I know 
this is a long shot but it's worth a try, IMHO.

Best of luck,

Sandy

--- On Thu, 6/30/11, Harold Long  wrote:
 Any help would be appreciated. Thanx.

Harold

 

CS>new member interest: morgellons

[Harold Long]

Am particularly interested in any experiences of list members in using CS to 
deal with morgellons.  Several friends are afflicted, but thankfully their 
condition is not nearly as debilitating as many about which I've read.  Have 
tried baths with baking soda, H2O2, Sun detergent w/bleach + barley powder, and 
even gasoline (dabbed on lesions).  Nothing has been consistently or completely 
effective, although healing waxes and wanes with new or renewed eruptions 
occurring spontaneously but intermittently. Lesions sprouting fibers appear on 
arms, hands, face, neck, chest, back, tush.  Recently began dabbing lesions 
with 

CS and taking it internally as well.  Seems to be helping, but not an instant 
cure.  There may be none, of course.  Been a problem for over a year and while 
bearable, it's getting really old.  Any help would be appreciated. Thanx.

Harold

RE: CS>New member intro

[Faith Saint Francis]

You can easily make your own, Vicky,without any sophisticated machinery.And: I 
(now in this for a great many years) never travel without it or without my 
do-it-yourself kit.Leonardo "Faith"Licensed Reflexo-therapist,Dianetics Auditor.
 Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:39:02 -0700
From: devorah...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CS>New member intro
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Big welcome to you Vicki...if you love to learn your in the right place,
Debbie




From: Vicki Breslin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:21 PM
Subject: CS>New member intro





Hi,

My name is Vicki and I am very interested in learning more about colloidal 
silver.  Thank you so much for having a chat board online for questions from 
newbies and postings from more experienced people.  I found out about colloidal 
silver in a round about way.  We adopted a cat last summer that had ringworm.  
Two people in the household (plus our other cat) got ringworm.  We tried the 
conventional over the counter medications and also visited the doctor for 
various cures.  Some helped but none seemed to cure or get rid of it.

Colloidal silver from our health store was the biggest help along with diet 
change (less sugar and carbs).  Since I did a little research on colloidal 
silver before trying I know it has many uses and I am excited to learn about 
those through this group.

Thank you,
Vicki


  

Re: CS>New member intro

[MaryAnn Helland]

Hi Vicki -- welcome to our list.  I enjoyed hearing that CS helped with your 
ringworm infection problem.  You're going to learn a lot about various uses for 
CS -- hang onto your hat, you're in for a wild ride!!  :-D
Mary Ann





From: Vicki Breslin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sat, June 25, 2011 6:21:48 PM
Subject: CS>New member intro


Hi,

My name is Vicki and I am very interested in learning more about colloidal 
silver.  Thank you so much for having a chat board online for questions from 
newbies and postings from more experienced people.  I found out about colloidal 
silver in a round about way.  We adopted a cat last summer that had ringworm.  
Two people in the household (plus our other cat) got ringworm.  We tried the 
conventional over the counter medications and also visited the doctor for 
various cures.  Some helped but none seemed to cure or get rid of it.

Colloidal silver from our health store was the biggest help along with diet 
change (less sugar and carbs).  Since I did a little research on colloidal 
silver before trying I know it has many uses and I am excited to learn about 
those through this group.

Thank you,
Vicki

Re: CS>New member intro

[Deborah Gerard]

Big welcome to you Vicki...if you love to learn your in the right place,
Debbie

From: Vicki Breslin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 7:21 PM
Subject: CS>New member intro


Hi,

My name is Vicki and I am very interested in learning more about colloidal 
silver.  Thank you so much for having a chat board online for questions from 
newbies and postings from more experienced people.  I found out about colloidal 
silver in a round about way.  We adopted a cat last summer that had ringworm.  
Two people in the household (plus our other cat) got ringworm.  We tried the 
conventional over the counter medications and also visited the doctor for 
various cures.  Some helped but none seemed to cure or get rid of it.

Colloidal silver from our health store was the biggest help along with diet 
change (less sugar and carbs).  Since I did a little research on colloidal 
silver before trying I know it has many uses and I am excited to learn about 
those through this group.

Thank you,
Vicki

CS>New member intro

[Vicki Breslin]

Hi,

My name is Vicki and I am very interested in learning more about colloidal 
silver.  Thank you so much for having a chat board online for questions from 
newbies and postings from more experienced people.  I found out about colloidal 
silver in a round about way.  We adopted a cat last summer that had ringworm.  
Two people in the household (plus our other cat) got ringworm.  We tried the 
conventional over the counter medications and also visited the doctor for 
various cures.  Some helped but none seemed to cure or get rid of it.

Colloidal silver from our health store was the biggest help along with diet 
change (less sugar and carbs).  Since I did a little research on colloidal 
silver before trying I know it has many uses and I am excited to learn about 
those through this group.

Thank you,
Vicki
  

Re: CS> New Member - Jan

[Ode Coyote]

  You got it backwards.
Anything that clumps is not ionic and won't register on a meter at all.
Brew high, it drops and stays there.
If using only pure water and silver, there are no photo-reactive compounds 
made...you can store it in direct sunlight in clear glass for years.


Use salt or baking soda as a "starter"  THEN the product is sensitive to 
light. [Silver Chloride and Silver Carbonate  ]


Ode

At 08:18 PM 9/20/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Boy, this list is really making me feel "new"  ... lol ...
Okay if the ppm drops a couple of numbers, as it stabilizes, that is still 
a good thing, as long as the ppm number does not go up, which would be in 
the direction of "clumping" and lesser quality. Correct ???So lets say 
you brewed it at 5ppm, two days later its tests at 7ppm, and you sit it on 
the shelf for one year, come back, test it again, ... will it be 7ppm ???


Its not that Im planning on leaving it on the shelp that long ... but I am 
concerned about storing it for my horse. She is stabled at a barn, away 
from my house, so Im going to be making about a week's worth of CS, and 
taking it to the barn for the people there to give to her on a daily 
basis.  So I am concerned about whether or not storing it that long will 
cause any issues for her.


And I was told that I need to store CS in a "light proof" container, such 
as a milk carton -- or at least keep it out of the sun.

jan

--
No -- lol -- I'll leave that one to Neville! There is some evidence, via our
Hanna Testers, that the ppm-level of CS/EIS will drop a ppm or two within a
couple days of brewing. Some refer to this as *stabilizing*. I believe 
that it


is the contention of the knowledgeable members here that some of the ionic
portion of the brew will change over to particulate matter, resulting in a 
lower


ppm reading. The real question is whether it's the ionic portion that is
effective in killing pathogens, or the particulate portion. Or is it both? I
don't know the answer -- for my own purposes, it doesn't matter. But 
apparently


Neville feels differently, and he was sharing that with Jan. So I'm looking
forward to his answer, as I'm sure Jan is! :-)
MA





From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net

Thanks, MaryAnn. That was not clear. Do you know how to discriminate between
the use of 'young' and 'old' CS?

- Original Message -
>From: MaryAnn Helland
>
>PT -- EIS and CS are the same thing. EIS is just the term used here on this
>list to differentiate the product that we make, vs. other silver 
products on the

>
>market. Neville was discriminating between the *age* of the product, not
>referring to two different products.


From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
>
>Would you give your 'opinion' on the differences between EIS and CS, 
Neville?

>It might help to discriminate when to use which one.



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Re: CS> New Member - Jan

[Costumes]

uuummm  brings more questions :>  But they will have to wait till 
tomorrow :)
good night 
   jan


[Okay if the ppm drops a couple of numbers, as it stabilizes, that is still a 
good thing,] 
-Yep, the silver didn't go anywhere, just changed in 'composition' if you like.

[as long as the ppm number does not go up, which would be in the direction of 
"clumping" and lesser quality. Correct ???]
-Nup, I don't believe it's of any lesser quality, just means some of those 
positive charged ions have collided with each other resulting in atomic 
clusters being formed, which I understand are negatively charged.


[So lets say you brewed it at 5ppm, two days later its tests at 7ppm, and you 
sit it on the shelf for one year, come back, test it again, ... will it be 7ppm 
??? ] 
-Personally, I've never had it go up after a couple days, my experience shows 
the readings can fluctuate a tad up or down dependant on water temperature on 
any given day I check my solutions, and I suspect that wouldn't change even 
after many months in storage.

[Its not that Im planning on leaving it on the shelp that long ... but I am 
concerned about storing it for my horse. She is stabled at a barn, away from my 
house, so Im going to be making about a week's worth of CS, and taking it to 
the barn for the people there to give to her on a daily basis.  So I am 
concerned about whether or not storing it that long will cause any issues for 
her. ]
-I don't see how it will cause any issues, other than that solution will have a 
lesser amount of positively charged ions.  This is where/why I choose which 
solution to use for a particular circumstance...do I use a solution 
*immediately* after production to maximise on the ingestion of positive charged 
ions, or do I use a solution that I've had in storage for some time which will 
have a lesser amount of positive charged ions and more negative charged 
particles?

[And I was told that I need to store CS in a "light proof" container, such as a 
milk carton -- or at least keep it out of the sun. ]
-I store mine in clear glass containers in a cupboard.

N.

RE: CS> New Member - Jan

[Neville Munn]

 


From: costu...@dnet.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> New Member - Jan
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:18:53 -0400





 
[Okay if the ppm drops a couple of numbers, as it stabilizes, that is still a 
good thing,] 
-Yep, the silver didn't go anywhere, just changed in 'composition' if you like.
 
[as long as the ppm number does not go up, which would be in the direction of 
"clumping" and lesser quality. Correct ???]
-Nup, I don't believe it's of any lesser quality, just means some of those 
positive charged ions have collided with each other resulting in atomic 
clusters being formed, which I understand are negatively charged.
 
 
[So lets say you brewed it at 5ppm, two days later its tests at 7ppm, and you 
sit it on the shelf for one year, come back, test it again, ... will it be 7ppm 
??? ] 
-Personally, I've never had it go up after a couple days, my experience shows 
the readings can fluctuate a tad up or down dependant on water temperature on 
any given day I check my solutions, and I suspect that wouldn't change even 
after many months in storage.
 
[Its not that Im planning on leaving it on the shelp that long ... but I am 
concerned about storing it for my horse. She is stabled at a barn, away from my 
house, so Im going to be making about a week's worth of CS, and taking it to 
the barn for the people there to give to her on a daily basis.  So I am 
concerned about whether or not storing it that long will cause any issues for 
her. ]
-I don't see how it will cause any issues, other than that solution will have a 
lesser amount of positively charged ions.  This is where/why I choose which 
solution to use for a particular circumstance...do I use a solution 
*immediately* after production to maximise on the ingestion of positive charged 
ions, or do I use a solution that I've had in storage for some time which will 
have a lesser amount of positive charged ions and more negative charged 
particles?
 
[And I was told that I need to store CS in a "light proof" container, such as a 
milk carton -- or at least keep it out of the sun. ]
-I store mine in clear glass containers in a cupboard.
 
N.
 
jan 

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RE: CS> New Member - Jan

[Neville Munn]

Apparently if one wants to split those particle clusters up that is so, but I 
don't need, or don't have a desire to use H2O2, if I use my product immediately 
after production there's minimal particles anyway, and what there are would 
still be useful as a 'side benefit'...It's all useful.

 

Besides, my understanding is the body produces an amount of H2O2 naturally 
{don't know how much?} if so then I suspect whatever amount is produced 
naturally would do something similar *within* the body.

 

N.
 


Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:54:00 -0500
Subject: Re: CS> New Member - Jan
From: jaxi.sch...@gmail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Isn't this where the H2O2 comes in?  


Jaxi


On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Neville Munn  wrote:


I'm no chemistry guru so I can only speak in laymans language.
 
The drop or reduction in ppm readings is a good indicator of purity of water 
used, don't be surprised if that reading drops almost 50% [based on literature 
and evidenced from experience].
 
Some people may be surprised to see their readings seemingly drop significantly 
over time until the solution reaches a point of stability, I take that reading 
drop as a complement to the quality of water I'm using.  If it failed to drop 
by an appreciable amount...then I have something else in the water besides 
silver.  I believe the amount it drops is proportionate with the ppm level at 
cessation of the brewing process {based on my own experiences, the higher the 
end ppm result on production cessation, the greater the drop in reading} and I 
have had it drop near on 50% from initial reading on the day it was produced.  
Meters only give me a point of reference to shut my process down, I don't rely 
on them for any accuracy in silver content, just a ballpark figure {commonly 
referred to as a 'guesstimate'}.
 
*Immediately* upon cessation of the brewing process the solution will be at 
it's highest in ionic content {positively charged silver ions} and as time goes 
by {few days praps} there will be a number of ions colliding with other ions 
forming atomic clusters {these would be called particles or particle clusters I 
guess}.
 
The distinction between two solutions I referred to is just that...a solution 
which is high in ionic content, and a solution that has stabilized over time 
and has lost some of those ions to particle clusters, and I use whichever I 
consider will be most efficacious for a given circumstance, hence my comment 
about 'oils ain't oils' and 'EIS/CS ain't EIS/CS'.
 
That's my backyard scientists way of explanation , I'll leave it to the 
chemistry guru's to explain in better language and/or clear up any errors.  But 
all I've said here is based on my experience over several years involvement 
with this 'stuff', not saying it's 100% accurate, just my experience.
 
N.
 
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:13:15 -0700
> From: marmar...@bellsouth.net

> Subject: Re: CS> New Member - Jan

> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 

> No -- lol -- I'll leave that one to Neville!  There is some evidence, via our 
> Hanna Testers, that the ppm-level of CS/EIS will drop a ppm or two within a 
> couple days of brewing.  Some refer to this as *stabilizing*.  I believe that 
> it 
> 
> is the contention of the knowledgeable members here that some of the ionic 
> portion of the brew will change over to particulate matter, resulting in a 
> lower 
> 
> ppm reading.  The real question is whether it's the ionic portion that is 
> effective in killing pathogens, or the particulate portion.  Or is it both?  
> I 
> don't know the answer -- for my own purposes, it doesn't matter.  But 
> apparently 
> 
> Neville feels differently, and he was sharing that with Jan.  So I'm looking 
> forward to his answer, as I'm sure Jan is!  :-)
> MA
> 
>
> 
> 

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Re: CS> New Member - Jan

[Costumes]

Boy, this list is really making me feel "new"  ... lol ...
Okay if the ppm drops a couple of numbers, as it stabilizes, that is still a 
good thing, as long as the ppm number does not go up, which would be in the 
direction of "clumping" and lesser quality. Correct ???So lets say you 
brewed it at 5ppm, two days later its tests at 7ppm, and you sit it on the 
shelf for one year, come back, test it again, ... will it be 7ppm ???  

Its not that Im planning on leaving it on the shelp that long ... but I am 
concerned about storing it for my horse. She is stabled at a barn, away from my 
house, so Im going to be making about a week's worth of CS, and taking it to 
the barn for the people there to give to her on a daily basis.  So I am 
concerned about whether or not storing it that long will cause any issues for 
her.  

And I was told that I need to store CS in a "light proof" container, such as a 
milk carton -- or at least keep it out of the sun. 
jan


No -- lol -- I'll leave that one to Neville! There is some evidence, via our 
Hanna Testers, that the ppm-level of CS/EIS will drop a ppm or two within a 
couple days of brewing. Some refer to this as *stabilizing*. I believe that it 

is the contention of the knowledgeable members here that some of the ionic 
portion of the brew will change over to particulate matter, resulting in a 
lower 

ppm reading. The real question is whether it's the ionic portion that is 
effective in killing pathogens, or the particulate portion. Or is it both? I 
don't know the answer -- for my own purposes, it doesn't matter. But apparently 

Neville feels differently, and he was sharing that with Jan. So I'm looking 
forward to his answer, as I'm sure Jan is! :-)
MA





From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net

Thanks, MaryAnn. That was not clear. Do you know how to discriminate between 
the use of 'young' and 'old' CS? 

- Original Message - 
>From: MaryAnn Helland 
>
>PT -- EIS and CS are the same thing. EIS is just the term used here on this 
>list to differentiate the product that we make, vs. other silver products on 
>the 
>
>market. Neville was discriminating between the *age* of the product, not 
>referring to two different products.


From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
>
>Would you give your 'opinion' on the differences between EIS and CS, Neville? 
>It might help to discriminate when to use which one.



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Re: CS> New Member - Jan

[jaxi]

Isn't this where the H2O2 comes in?

Jaxi

On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Neville Munn wrote:

>  I'm no chemistry guru so I can only speak in laymans language.
>
> The drop or reduction in ppm readings is a good indicator of purity of
> water used, don't be surprised if that reading drops almost 50% [based on
> literature and evidenced from experience].
>
> Some people may be surprised to see their readings seemingly drop
> significantly over time until the solution reaches a point of stability, I
> take that reading drop as a complement to the quality of water I'm
> using.  If it failed to drop by an appreciable amount...then I have
> something else in the water besides silver.  I believe the amount it drops
> is proportionate with the ppm level at cessation of the brewing process
> {based on my own experiences, the higher the end ppm result on production
> cessation, the greater the drop in reading} and I have had it drop near on
> 50% from initial reading on the day it was produced.  Meters only give me a
> point of reference to shut my process down, I don't rely on them for any
> accuracy in silver content, just a ballpark figure {commonly referred to as
> a 'guesstimate'}.
>
> *Immediately* upon cessation of the brewing process the solution will be at
> it's highest in ionic content {positively charged silver ions} and as time
> goes by {few days praps} there will be a number of ions colliding with other
> ions forming atomic clusters {these would be called particles or particle
> clusters I guess}.
>
> The distinction between two solutions I referred to is just that...a
> solution which is high in ionic content, and a solution that has stabilized
> over time and has lost some of those ions to particle clusters, and I use
> whichever I consider will be most efficacious for a given circumstance,
> hence my comment about 'oils ain't oils' and 'EIS/CS ain't EIS/CS'.
>
> That's my backyard scientists way of explanation , I'll leave it to the
> chemistry guru's to explain in better language and/or clear up any errors.
> But all I've said here is based on my experience over several years
> involvement with this 'stuff', not saying it's 100% accurate, just my
> experience.
>
> N.
>
> > Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:13:15 -0700
> > From: marmar...@bellsouth.net
>
> > Subject: Re: CS> New Member - Jan
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >
> > No -- lol -- I'll leave that one to Neville!  There is some evidence, via
> our
> > Hanna Testers, that the ppm-level of CS/EIS will drop a ppm or two within
> a
> > couple days of brewing.  Some refer to this as *stabilizing*.  I believe
> that it
> >
> > is the contention of the knowledgeable members here that some of the
> ionic
> > portion of the brew will change over to particulate matter, resulting in
> a lower
> >
> > ppm reading.  The real question is whether it's the ionic portion that is
>
> > effective in killing pathogens, or the particulate portion.  Or is it
> both?  I
> > don't know the answer -- for my own purposes, it doesn't matter.  But
> apparently
> >
> > Neville feels differently, and he was sharing that with Jan.  So I'm
> looking
> > forward to his answer, as I'm sure Jan is!  :-)
> > MA
> >
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RE: CS> New Member - Jan

[Neville Munn]

I'm no chemistry guru so I can only speak in laymans language.

 

The drop or reduction in ppm readings is a good indicator of purity of water 
used, don't be surprised if that reading drops almost 50% [based on literature 
and evidenced from experience].

 

Some people may be surprised to see their readings seemingly drop significantly 
over time until the solution reaches a point of stability, I take that reading 
drop as a complement to the quality of water I'm using.  If it failed to drop 
by an appreciable amount...then I have something else in the water besides 
silver.  I believe the amount it drops is proportionate with the ppm level at 
cessation of the brewing process {based on my own experiences, the higher the 
end ppm result on production cessation, the greater the drop in reading} and I 
have had it drop near on 50% from initial reading on the day it was produced.  
Meters only give me a point of reference to shut my process down, I don't rely 
on them for any accuracy in silver content, just a ballpark figure {commonly 
referred to as a 'guesstimate'}.

 

*Immediately* upon cessation of the brewing process the solution will be at 
it's highest in ionic content {positively charged silver ions} and as time goes 
by {few days praps} there will be a number of ions colliding with other ions 
forming atomic clusters {these would be called particles or particle clusters I 
guess}.

 

The distinction between two solutions I referred to is just that...a solution 
which is high in ionic content, and a solution that has stabilized over time 
and has lost some of those ions to particle clusters, and I use whichever I 
consider will be most efficacious for a given circumstance, hence my comment 
about 'oils ain't oils' and 'EIS/CS ain't EIS/CS'.

 

That's my backyard scientists way of explanation , I'll leave it to the 
chemistry guru's to explain in better language and/or clear up any errors.  But 
all I've said here is based on my experience over several years involvement 
with this 'stuff', not saying it's 100% accurate, just my experience.

 

N.
 
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 06:13:15 -0700
> From: marmar...@bellsouth.net
> Subject: Re: CS> New Member - Jan
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> No -- lol -- I'll leave that one to Neville!  There is some evidence, via our 
> Hanna Testers, that the ppm-level of CS/EIS will drop a ppm or two within a 
> couple days of brewing.  Some refer to this as *stabilizing*.  I believe that 
> it 
> 
> is the contention of the knowledgeable members here that some of the ionic 
> portion of the brew will change over to particulate matter, resulting in a 
> lower 
> 
> ppm reading.  The real question is whether it's the ionic portion that is 
> effective in killing pathogens, or the particulate portion.  Or is it both?  
> I 
> don't know the answer -- for my own purposes, it doesn't matter.  But 
> apparently 
> 
> Neville feels differently, and he was sharing that with Jan.  So I'm looking 
> forward to his answer, as I'm sure Jan is!  :-)
> MA
> 
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RE: CS> New Member - Jan

[Neville Munn]

Sorry, yes that's right, I probly didn't convey that adequately, Thank You MA.

 

N.
 


Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 05:39:14 -0700
From: marmar...@bellsouth.net
Subject: Re: CS> New Member - Jan
To: silver-list@eskimo.com






PT -- EIS and CS are the same thing.  EIS is just the term used here on this 
list to differentiate the product that we make, vs. other silver products on 
the market.  Neville was discriminating between the *age* of the product, not 
referring to two different products.
MA





From: needling around 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 7:20:35 AM
Subject: Re: CS> New Member - Jan




Would you give your 'opinion' on the differences between EIS and CS, Neville?  
It might help to discriminate when to use which one.
Thanks.
PT
 

- Original Message - 
From: Neville Munn 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:49 AM
Subject: RE: CS> New Member - Jan

Hi there.
 
You may want to consider experimenting with some solutions...
 
(1) Use of a *fresh* batch, which will be when it's highest in electrically 
charged positive Ag ions, and consuming or administering a quantity immediately 
after cessation of the brewing process.
 
(2) Or wait a couple of days until the solution has stabilized {less 
electrically charged positive Ag ions present and more particles or clusters}.
 
I consider there are two types of EIS solution {as suggested above}, and I 
believe administering a quantity *immediately* after it's produced is more 
beneficial or efficacious in some instances.
 
As 'oils ain't oils', 'EIS/CS ain't 'EIS/CS' either [opinion], there is a 
difference in efficacy and/or efficiency between the two, circumstance 
dependant.
 
One may not be, or appear to be, as efficacious as the other, or vise versa?  
One never never knows if one never never goes is my philosophy, and with one's 
own machinery one can choose and experiment.
 
Just my two bobs worth as a 'backyard scientist'...FWIW.
 
N.
 


From: costu...@dnet.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS> New Member - Jan
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:41:16 -0400




Hello, 
I have just joined this group :)
 
Basically my story is that I was diagnosed w Fibromyalgia in 1998 ... but I 
have not sought a lot of medical care for it.  I knew that the doctors only 
want to stick you with a rash of narcotic strength drugs, which I cannot 
tolerate. So I just never go to the doctor. I just put up with it. But it does 
seem to be getting worse, so I need to do something.  Ive spent a TON of money 
on high quality supplements ... none of which seem to have helped  
 
A couple of months ago, two things happened >> 
 
1) I went to a holistic chiropractor, who muscle tested me for Bahesia, one of 
the Lymes Diseases. 
 
2) I have horses, and one of my young fillies was sick with EPM.  I joined the 
Equine Solutions Network group, and got a ton of advice about treating her with 
CS ... inc info on the fact that CS crosses the blood brain barrier (the EPM 
protozoa embed themselves in the horse's spinal cord, causing all kinds of 
neurological issues)   The manner in which fibromyalgia is destroying my 
life the WORST is the manner in which it is messing up my BRAIN.  Im a 
FOG-HEAD.  Im light headed, feel dizzy, stay spazzed out all the time ... etc 
... So when they said the CS crosses the BBB, my ears pricked up ... and 
everything just sounded like I needed the CS as much as my little horse needed 
it.  MaryAnne on Equine Solutions referred me to this group ... So here I am 
!!! 
 
I just ordered the www.wishgranted.com  Master generator, and it was delivered 
Friday ... so I really have not even had time to crank it up yet !!!  Have been 
busy with the horses all weekend. But I am looking forward to this, for my sake 
and for my horse's sake  :>
 jan dee  

RE: CS> New Member - Jan

[Neville Munn]

If produced properly, as I guess most, if not all, on here do it should be able 
to sit on the shelf indefinitely.  By way of quick response without hunting 
down my books/info,  either Alfred B Searle {author} or a bloke by the name of 
Faraday produced some many moons ago {decades or more} and it's still as good 
today apparently as the day it was made, and I have no reason to doubt that.

 

N.
 


From: costu...@dnet.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS> New Member - Jan
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 07:24:10 -0400





U ... I was planning on going for 5ppm ... and was under the impression 
that you could sit the silver water on a shelf for up to10 years and it would 
still be suspened (would not form clusters).  
Go easy on me!!!   Im just a beginner .. Not a scientist. :)
   jan 

Hi there.
 You may want to consider experimenting with some solutions...
 (1) Use of a *fresh* batch, which will be when it's highest in electrically 
charged positive Ag ions, and consuming or administering a quantity immediately 
after cessation of the brewing process.
 (2) Or wait a couple of days until the solution has stabilized {less 
electrically charged positive Ag ions present and more particles or clusters}.



  

Re: CS> New Member - Jan

[MaryAnn Helland]

No -- lol -- I'll leave that one to Neville!  There is some evidence, via our 
Hanna Testers, that the ppm-level of CS/EIS will drop a ppm or two within a 
couple days of brewing.  Some refer to this as *stabilizing*.  I believe that 
it 

is the contention of the knowledgeable members here that some of the ionic 
portion of the brew will change over to particulate matter, resulting in a 
lower 

ppm reading.  The real question is whether it's the ionic portion that is 
effective in killing pathogens, or the particulate portion.  Or is it both?  I 
don't know the answer -- for my own purposes, it doesn't matter.  But 
apparently 

Neville feels differently, and he was sharing that with Jan.  So I'm looking 
forward to his answer, as I'm sure Jan is!  :-)
MA





From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net

Thanks, MaryAnn.  That was not clear.  Do you know how to discriminate between 
the use of 'young' and 'old' CS?   

- Original Message - 
>From: MaryAnn Helland 
>
>PT -- EIS and CS are the same thing.  EIS is just the term used here on this 
>list to differentiate the product that we make, vs. other silver products on 
>the 
>
>market.  Neville was discriminating between the *age* of the product, not 
>referring to two different products.


From: needling around ptf2...@bellsouth.net
>
>Would you give your 'opinion' on the differences between EIS and CS, Neville?  
>It might help to discriminate when to use which one.



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Re: CS> New Member - Jan

[needling around]

Thanks, MaryAnn.  That was not clear.  Do you know how to discriminate between 
the use of 'young' and 'old' CS?   
Thanks.
PT
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 8:39 AM
  Subject: Re: CS> New Member - Jan


  PT -- EIS and CS are the same thing.  EIS is just the term used here on this 
list to differentiate the product that we make, vs. other silver products on 
the market.  Neville was discriminating between the *age* of the product, not 
referring to two different products.
  MA




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  From: needling around 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 7:20:35 AM
  Subject: Re: CS> New Member - Jan


  Would you give your 'opinion' on the differences between EIS and CS, Neville? 
 It might help to discriminate when to use which one.
  Thanks.
  PT

- Original Message - 
From: Neville Munn 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:49 AM
Subject: RE: CS> New Member - Jan


Hi there.
 
You may want to consider experimenting with some solutions...
 
(1) Use of a *fresh* batch, which will be when it's highest in electrically 
charged positive Ag ions, and consuming or administering a quantity immediately 
after cessation of the brewing process.
 
(2) Or wait a couple of days until the solution has stabilized {less 
electrically charged positive Ag ions present and more particles or clusters}.
 
I consider there are two types of EIS solution {as suggested above}, and I 
believe administering a quantity *immediately* after it's produced is more 
beneficial or efficacious in some instances.
 
As 'oils ain't oils', 'EIS/CS ain't 'EIS/CS' either [opinion], there is a 
difference in efficacy and/or efficiency between the two, circumstance 
dependant.
 
One may not be, or appear to be, as efficacious as the other, or vise 
versa?  One never never knows if one never never goes is my philosophy, and 
with one's own machinery one can choose and experiment.
 
Just my two bobs worth as a 'backyard scientist'...FWIW.
 
N.
 

------------
From: costu...@dnet.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS> New Member - Jan
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:41:16 -0400


Hello, 
I have just joined this group :)

Basically my story is that I was diagnosed w Fibromyalgia in 1998 ... but I 
have not sought a lot of medical care for it.  I knew that the doctors only 
want to stick you with a rash of narcotic strength drugs, which I cannot 
tolerate. So I just never go to the doctor. I just put up with it. But it does 
seem to be getting worse, so I need to do something.  Ive spent a TON of money 
on high quality supplements ... none of which seem to have helped  

A couple of months ago, two things happened >> 

1) I went to a holistic chiropractor, who muscle tested me for Bahesia, one 
of the Lymes Diseases. 

2) I have horses, and one of my young fillies was sick with EPM.  I joined 
the Equine Solutions Network group, and got a ton of advice about treating her 
with CS ... inc info on the fact that CS crosses the blood brain barrier (the 
EPM protozoa embed themselves in the horse's spinal cord, causing all kinds of 
neurological issues)   The manner in which fibromyalgia is destroying my 
life the WORST is the manner in which it is messing up my BRAIN.  Im a 
FOG-HEAD.  Im light headed, feel dizzy, stay spazzed out all the time ... etc 
... So when they said the CS crosses the BBB, my ears pricked up ... and 
everything just sounded like I needed the CS as much as my little horse needed 
it.  MaryAnne on Equine Solutions referred me to this group ... So here I am 
!!! 

I just ordered the www.wishgranted.com  Master generator, and it was 
delivered Friday ... so I really have not even had time to crank it up yet !!!  
Have been busy with the horses all weekend. But I am looking forward to this, 
for my sake and for my horse's sake  :>
 jan dee

Re: CS> New Member - Jan

[MaryAnn Helland]

PT -- EIS and CS are the same thing.  EIS is just the term used here on this 
list to differentiate the product that we make, vs. other silver products on 
the 
market.  Neville was discriminating between the *age* of the product, not 
referring to two different products.
MA





From: needling around 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, September 20, 2010 7:20:35 AM
Subject: Re: CS> New Member - Jan


Would you give your 'opinion' on the differences between EIS and CS, Neville?  
It might help to discriminate when to use which one.
Thanks.
PT

- Original Message - 
>From: Neville Munn 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:49 AM
>Subject: RE: CS> New Member - Jan
>
>Hi there.
> 
>You may want to consider experimenting with some solutions...
> 
>(1) Use of a *fresh* batch, which will be when it's highest in electrically 
>charged positive Ag ions, and consuming or administering a quantity 
>immediately 
>after cessation of the brewing process.
> 
>(2) Or wait a couple of days until the solution has stabilized {less 
>electrically charged positive Ag ions present and more particles or clusters}.
> 
>I consider there are two types of EIS solution {as suggested above}, and I 
>believe administering a quantity *immediately* after it's produced is more 
>beneficial or efficacious in some instances.
> 
>As 'oils ain't oils', 'EIS/CS ain't 'EIS/CS' either [opinion], there is a 
>difference in efficacy and/or efficiency between the two, circumstance 
>dependant.
> 
>One may not be, or appear to be, as efficacious as the other, or vise versa?  
>One never never knows if one never never goes is my philosophy, and with one's 
>own machinery one can choose and experiment.
> 
>Just my two bobs worth as a 'backyard scientist'...FWIW.
> 
>N.
> 
>
From: costu...@dnet.net
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: CS> New Member - Jan
>Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:41:16 -0400
>
>
>Hello, 
>I have just joined this group :)
> 
>Basically my story is that I was diagnosed w Fibromyalgia in 1998 ... but I 
>have 
>not sought a lot of medical care for it.  I knew that the doctors only want to 
>stick you with a rash of narcotic strength drugs, which I cannot tolerate. So 
>I 
>just never go to the doctor. I just put up with it. But it does seem to be 
>getting worse, so I need to do something.  Ive spent a TON of money on high 
>quality supplements ... none of which seem to have helped  
>
> 
>A couple of months ago, two things happened >> 
> 
>1) I went to a holistic chiropractor, who muscle tested me for Bahesia, one of 
>the Lymes Diseases. 
>
> 
>2) I have horses, and one of my young fillies was sick with EPM.  I joined the 
>Equine Solutions Network group, and got a ton of advice about treating 
>her with 
>CS ... inc info on the fact that CS crosses the blood brain barrier (the EPM 
>protozoa embed themselves in the horse's spinal cord, causing all kinds of 
>neurological issues)   The manner in which fibromyalgia is destroying my 
>life the WORST is the manner in which it is messing up my BRAIN.  Im a 
>FOG-HEAD.  Im light headed, feel dizzy, stay spazzed out all the time ... etc 
>... So when they said the CS crosses the BBB, my ears pricked up ... and 
>everything just sounded like I needed the CS as much as my little horse needed 
>it.  MaryAnne on Equine Solutions referred me to this group ... So here I am 
>!!! 
>
> 
>I just ordered the www.wishgranted.com  Master generator, and it was delivered 
>Friday ... so I really have not even had time to crank it up yet !!!  Have 
>been 
>busy with the horses all weekend. But I am looking forward to this, for my 
>sake 
>and for my horse's sake  :>
> jan dee

Re: CS> New Member - Jan

[needling around]

Would you give your 'opinion' on the differences between EIS and CS, Neville?  
It might help to discriminate when to use which one.
Thanks.
PT

  - Original Message - 
  From: Neville Munn 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:49 AM
  Subject: RE: CS> New Member - Jan


  Hi there.
   
  You may want to consider experimenting with some solutions...
   
  (1) Use of a *fresh* batch, which will be when it's highest in electrically 
charged positive Ag ions, and consuming or administering a quantity immediately 
after cessation of the brewing process.
   
  (2) Or wait a couple of days until the solution has stabilized {less 
electrically charged positive Ag ions present and more particles or clusters}.
   
  I consider there are two types of EIS solution {as suggested above}, and I 
believe administering a quantity *immediately* after it's produced is more 
beneficial or efficacious in some instances.
   
  As 'oils ain't oils', 'EIS/CS ain't 'EIS/CS' either [opinion], there is a 
difference in efficacy and/or efficiency between the two, circumstance 
dependant.
   
  One may not be, or appear to be, as efficacious as the other, or vise versa?  
One never never knows if one never never goes is my philosophy, and with one's 
own machinery one can choose and experiment.
   
  Just my two bobs worth as a 'backyard scientist'...FWIW.
   
  N.
   

------
  From: costu...@dnet.net
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CS> New Member - Jan
  Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:41:16 -0400


  Hello, 
  I have just joined this group :)

  Basically my story is that I was diagnosed w Fibromyalgia in 1998 ... but I 
have not sought a lot of medical care for it.  I knew that the doctors only 
want to stick you with a rash of narcotic strength drugs, which I cannot 
tolerate. So I just never go to the doctor. I just put up with it. But it does 
seem to be getting worse, so I need to do something.  Ive spent a TON of money 
on high quality supplements ... none of which seem to have helped  

  A couple of months ago, two things happened >> 

  1) I went to a holistic chiropractor, who muscle tested me for Bahesia, one 
of the Lymes Diseases. 

  2) I have horses, and one of my young fillies was sick with EPM.  I joined 
the Equine Solutions Network group, and got a ton of advice about treating her 
with CS ... inc info on the fact that CS crosses the blood brain barrier (the 
EPM protozoa embed themselves in the horse's spinal cord, causing all kinds of 
neurological issues)   The manner in which fibromyalgia is destroying my 
life the WORST is the manner in which it is messing up my BRAIN.  Im a 
FOG-HEAD.  Im light headed, feel dizzy, stay spazzed out all the time ... etc 
... So when they said the CS crosses the BBB, my ears pricked up ... and 
everything just sounded like I needed the CS as much as my little horse needed 
it.  MaryAnne on Equine Solutions referred me to this group ... So here I am 
!!! 

  I just ordered the www.wishgranted.com  Master generator, and it was 
delivered Friday ... so I really have not even had time to crank it up yet !!!  
Have been busy with the horses all weekend. But I am looking forward to this, 
for my sake and for my horse's sake  :>
   jan dee

CS> New Member - Jan

[Costumes]

U ... I was planning on going for 5ppm ... and was under the impression 
that you could sit the silver water on a shelf for up to10 years and it would 
still be suspened (would not form clusters).  
Go easy on me!!!   Im just a beginner .. Not a scientist. :)
   jan


Hi there.
 You may want to consider experimenting with some solutions...
 (1) Use of a *fresh* batch, which will be when it's highest in electrically 
charged positive Ag ions, and consuming or administering a quantity immediately 
after cessation of the brewing process.
 (2) Or wait a couple of days until the solution has stabilized {less 
electrically charged positive Ag ions present and more particles or clusters}.

RE: CS> New Member - Jan

[Neville Munn]

Hi there.

 

You may want to consider experimenting with some solutions...

 

(1) Use of a *fresh* batch, which will be when it's highest in electrically 
charged positive Ag ions, and consuming or administering a quantity immediately 
after cessation of the brewing process.

 

(2) Or wait a couple of days until the solution has stabilized {less 
electrically charged positive Ag ions present and more particles or clusters}.

 

I consider there are two types of EIS solution {as suggested above}, and I 
believe administering a quantity *immediately* after it's produced is more 
beneficial or efficacious in some instances.

 

As 'oils ain't oils', 'EIS/CS ain't 'EIS/CS' either [opinion], there is a 
difference in efficacy and/or efficiency between the two, circumstance 
dependant.

 

One may not be, or appear to be, as efficacious as the other, or vise versa?  
One never never knows if one never never goes is my philosophy, and with one's 
own machinery one can choose and experiment.

 

Just my two bobs worth as a 'backyard scientist'...FWIW.

 

N.
 


From: costu...@dnet.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS> New Member - Jan
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:41:16 -0400





Hello, 
I have just joined this group :)
 
Basically my story is that I was diagnosed w Fibromyalgia in 1998 ... but I 
have not sought a lot of medical care for it.  I knew that the doctors only 
want to stick you with a rash of narcotic strength drugs, which I cannot 
tolerate. So I just never go to the doctor. I just put up with it. But it does 
seem to be getting worse, so I need to do something.  Ive spent a TON of money 
on high quality supplements ... none of which seem to have helped  
 
A couple of months ago, two things happened >> 
 
1) I went to a holistic chiropractor, who muscle tested me for Bahesia, one of 
the Lymes Diseases. 
 
2) I have horses, and one of my young fillies was sick with EPM.  I joined the 
Equine Solutions Network group, and got a ton of advice about treating her with 
CS ... inc info on the fact that CS crosses the blood brain barrier (the EPM 
protozoa embed themselves in the horse's spinal cord, causing all kinds of 
neurological issues)   The manner in which fibromyalgia is destroying my 
life the WORST is the manner in which it is messing up my BRAIN.  Im a 
FOG-HEAD.  Im light headed, feel dizzy, stay spazzed out all the time ... etc 
... So when they said the CS crosses the BBB, my ears pricked up ... and 
everything just sounded like I needed the CS as much as my little horse needed 
it.  MaryAnne on Equine Solutions referred me to this group ... So here I am 
!!! 
 
I just ordered the www.wishgranted.com  Master generator, and it was delivered 
Friday ... so I really have not even had time to crank it up yet !!!  Have been 
busy with the horses all weekend. But I am looking forward to this, for my sake 
and for my horse's sake  :>
 jan dee  

Re: CS> New Member - Jan

[Costumes]

heeeheee  ;>


Why do you think I recommended it?  ;-)
MA




Well, surprise, surprise, MaryAnn   ;>
Didnt realize you were here !!!
{{{ Thank You  }}} 
;>  jan 


Hi Jan.  I'm so glad to see you here.  I know that you will get lots of input 
on your situation.  So -- welcome.  And here's hoping for a brighter and 
healthier future for you and your EPM horse!!
MA

Re: CS> New Member - Jan

[MaryAnn Helland]

Why do you think I recommended it?  ;-)
MA





From: Costumes costu...@dnet.net


Well, surprise, surprise, MaryAnn   ;>
Didnt realize you were here !!!
{{{ Thank You  }}} 
    ;>  jan 


Hi Jan.  I'm so glad to see you here.  I know that you will get lots of input 
on 
your situation.  So -- welcome.  And here's hoping for a brighter and healthier 
future for you and your EPM horse!!
MA

Re: CS> New Member - Jan

[Costumes]

Well, surprise, surprise, MaryAnn   ;>
Didnt realize you were here !!!
{{{ Thank You  }}} 
;>  jan


Hi Jan.  I'm so glad to see you here.  I know that you will get lots of input 
on your situation.  So -- welcome.  And here's hoping for a brighter and 
healthier future for you and your EPM horse!!
MA

Re: CS> New Member - Jan

[MaryAnn Helland]

Hi Jan.  I'm so glad to see you here.  I know that you will get lots of input 
on 
your situation.  So -- welcome.  And here's hoping for a brighter and healthier 
future for you and your EPM horse!!
MA





From: Costumes 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, September 19, 2010 8:41:16 PM
Subject: CS> New Member - Jan


Hello, 
I have just joined this group :)
 
Basically my story is that I was diagnosed w Fibromyalgia in 1998 ... but I 
have 
not sought a lot of medical care for it.  I knew that the doctors only want to 
stick you with a rash of narcotic strength drugs, which I cannot tolerate. So I 
just never go to the doctor. I just put up with it. But it does seem to be 
getting worse, so I need to do something.  Ive spent a TON of money on high 
quality supplements ... none of which seem to have helped  

 
A couple of months ago, two things happened >> 
 
1) I went to a holistic chiropractor, who muscle tested me for Bahesia, one of 
the Lymes Diseases. 

 
2) I have horses, and one of my young fillies was sick with EPM.  I joined the 
Equine Solutions Network group, and got a ton of advice about treating her with 
CS ... inc info on the fact that CS crosses the blood brain barrier (the EPM 
protozoa embed themselves in the horse's spinal cord, causing all kinds of 
neurological issues)   The manner in which fibromyalgia is destroying my 
life the WORST is the manner in which it is messing up my BRAIN.  Im a 
FOG-HEAD.  Im light headed, feel dizzy, stay spazzed out all the time ... etc 
... So when they said the CS crosses the BBB, my ears pricked up ... and 
everything just sounded like I needed the CS as much as my little horse needed 
it.  MaryAnne on Equine Solutions referred me to this group ... So here I am 
!!! 

 
I just ordered the www.wishgranted.com  Master generator, and it was delivered 
Friday ... so I really have not even had time to crank it up yet !!!  Have been 
busy with the horses all weekend. But I am looking forward to this, for my sake 
and for my horse's sake  :>
 jan dee

CS> New Member - Jan

[Costumes]

Hello, 
I have just joined this group :)

Basically my story is that I was diagnosed w Fibromyalgia in 1998 ... but I 
have not sought a lot of medical care for it.  I knew that the doctors only 
want to stick you with a rash of narcotic strength drugs, which I cannot 
tolerate. So I just never go to the doctor. I just put up with it. But it does 
seem to be getting worse, so I need to do something.  Ive spent a TON of money 
on high quality supplements ... none of which seem to have helped  

A couple of months ago, two things happened >> 

1) I went to a holistic chiropractor, who muscle tested me for Bahesia, one of 
the Lymes Diseases. 

2) I have horses, and one of my young fillies was sick with EPM.  I joined the 
Equine Solutions Network group, and got a ton of advice about treating her with 
CS ... inc info on the fact that CS crosses the blood brain barrier (the EPM 
protozoa embed themselves in the horse's spinal cord, causing all kinds of 
neurological issues)   The manner in which fibromyalgia is destroying my 
life the WORST is the manner in which it is messing up my BRAIN.  Im a 
FOG-HEAD.  Im light headed, feel dizzy, stay spazzed out all the time ... etc 
... So when they said the CS crosses the BBB, my ears pricked up ... and 
everything just sounded like I needed the CS as much as my little horse needed 
it.  MaryAnne on Equine Solutions referred me to this group ... So here I am 
!!! 

I just ordered the www.wishgranted.com  Master generator, and it was delivered 
Friday ... so I really have not even had time to crank it up yet !!!  Have been 
busy with the horses all weekend. But I am looking forward to this, for my sake 
and for my horse's sake  :>
 jan dee

Re: [ Re: CS>new member-water oz

[Arnold Beland]

Have your son look at the information provided at:

www.atlasnova.com/CSMakingInfo.htm

He can make his own colloidal silver and in doing so he can learn about 
volts and ohms and amps, plus a bit of chemistry.  If he masters this and 
understands the process, he will also have the start of a great science fair 
project.  Do they still have science fairs?  If he needs help with any part 
of this I will be happy to answer his questions via e-mail and by asking 
questions he will help me in my effort to explain the process.
- Original Message - 
From: "Kathy" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [ Re: CS>new member-water oz


Thanks to everyone for your replies. You know he really doesn't eat much 
meat at all - maybe a hamburger every once in awhile-he is 13 so he still 
asks for McDs now and then.

He does consume his fair share of dairy though.
He drinks milk at school everyday.

I think his football equipment may be part of the problem but not all 
because he had this before he started playing. Sweating does make it 
worse.


Going to try to buy a CS gen but cannot spend $145 right now. Need info on 
making one here myself for now.


Kathy
- Original Message - 
From: "sol" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [ Re: CS>new member-water oz


I'd be more inclined to think it caused by milk and dairy products than 
meat.

In some people acne can be caused by excess of iodine.
http://www.zerozits.com/Articles/guesswho.htm
sol

Indi wrote:
Meat eating can cause really bad acne in teens sometimes. I have seen 
very bad acne completely vanish on a vegetarian diet -- 
though I know many people would probably rather have the acne, but I 
think just giving up red meat may make a big difference.

Also junk food, steroids, or stimulants can cause acne.


On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 02:52:20AM -0400, Kathy wrote:


As far as my son's acne. This really has me baffled. He never had 
anything at all until last summer when he got a really bad sunburn. It 
started about a month later and we have battled it ever since. The Dr. 
of course gave him strong anti-biotics and also a topical one - neither 
did anything. We have tried several essential oils, lotions, aloe, etc. 
We have tried different vitamins and herbs and as I mentioned 
previously bentonite clay.
I am not sure if it actually a infection although the bumps look like 
small boils. Some of them get pretty big- maybe almost as big as a dime 
but not quite. He probably has 80-100 on his back and chest now. I am 
watching his diet but may be missing the culprit due to school lunches. 
He is pretty active these days he plays football (unbeaten right now 
14-0) I did notice the other night after a game he was extremely sweaty 
and his face was broke out twice as bad as it was before the game. That 
really puzzled me.


I guess maybe I will just use the Water Oz stuff topically on him or 
maybe mix with clay.

Maybe it would be best used as a household cleaning solution. lol
So I am anxious to hear what others here think and to learn more about 
CS in general.


Kathy

- Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:14 AM
Subject:  Re: CS>new member-water oz




Hi and welcome, Kathy!

I bet you'll get some info on CS, as well as a few other suggestions 
of

how to help your son's body get over the acne problem.

The actual definition of "Colloidal Silver" in practice is a slippery
thing. Those words have been applied to many products made in 
different

ways and with different characteristics; everything from chemical
precipitates to protein suspensions to concentrated silver salts have
been named and mis-named as "CS."

What we like to call CS would be:

Pure silver in pure water with no additives.
Not a silver salt or other compound.
Modest concentrations of maybe 5 to 20 ppm.
Usually mostly ionic, monoatomic or dissolved silver,
with some particulate silver.
Most often made by an electrolytic process.
Usually clear, colorless, with a faint tyndall effect
(that makes a laser beam shown through it visible).

Water Oz is not forthcoming in saying exactly what their silver 
product

is or how it's made. The analysis by other people I remember reading
about pegged it as a silver salt. It is one commercial product that 
has
been associated with several cases of argyria in people who used 
larger

doses than are recommended by the manufacturer.

If you haven't already heard of it, argyria is a blue/grey
discoloration of the skin or other tissues which is cosmetically
objectionable but appears to have no other health effect. In severe
cases it is seriously disfiguring, although mild cases have been
reported that did not seem to interfere with the person's normal
activities. It was long thought to be irreversible, but at least a
couple of approaches have been developed recently 

Re: [ Re: CS>new member-water oz

[Clayton Family]

sweating is one of the main routes our bodies use for excretion, so it 
does not surprise me. More sweating might be helpful, with hot 
baths/showers and treating the infection.  It is a good idea, even an 
important one, to wash off the sweat asap, and using a new clean shirt 
after too.  I agree with Dan about the clothing and equipment he uses, 
that makes sense too.  --  Kathryn


On Oct 13, 2008, at 1:26 PM, Kathy wrote:

Thanks to everyone for your replies. You know he really doesn't eat 
much meat at all - maybe a hamburger every once in awhile-he is 13 so 
he still asks for McDs now and then.

He does consume his fair share of dairy though.
He drinks milk at school everyday.

I think his football equipment may be part of the problem but not all 
because he had this before he started playing. Sweating does make it 
worse.


Going to try to buy a CS gen but cannot spend $145 right now. Need 
info on making one here myself for now.


Kathy
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but I have their 2008 catalog - dont know if its also downloadable...


Other than that, the Wilson KZ-45 is good too for a few more $$$.
Check out Gunbroker.com for good deals on each. Wilson has a Life
Time War. no matter how many previous owners.

Brad

Bob Mueller wrote:


I'm hoping to be in the market for a .45 in the next month or so.

It's going to be a CCW piece, and I'm partial to a 1911-style gun.

I've glanced at Kimber, and got tired of clicking back and forth on their pages 
to view the various "families." Is there a single page that lists the basic 
differences between the Kimber models?


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Re: [ Re: CS>new member-water oz

[Kirsteen Wright]

Going to try to buy a CS gen but cannot spend $145 right now. Need info on
making one here myself for now.

Hi Kathy

I've emailed you privately and sent you a PDF file which includes lots of
info on CS including how to make it cheaply at home. I don't think I can
send attachments to the group and I've lost the email address of where it
came from. I make my CS using simply batteries and electric wires. I
couldn't afford both a generator and distiller so decided to go for a
distiller as I found it hard to get distilled water here.

I've never used it for acne but hve had great success with colds, sore
throats etc.

cheers
Kirsteen

Re: [ Re: CS>new member-water oz

[Kathy]

Thanks to everyone for your replies. You know he really doesn't eat much 
meat at all - maybe a hamburger every once in awhile-he is 13 so he still 
asks for McDs now and then.

He does consume his fair share of dairy though.
He drinks milk at school everyday.

I think his football equipment may be part of the problem but not all 
because he had this before he started playing. Sweating does make it worse.


Going to try to buy a CS gen but cannot spend $145 right now. Need info on 
making one here myself for now.


Kathy
- Original Message - 
From: "sol" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [ Re: CS>new member-water oz


I'd be more inclined to think it caused by milk and dairy products than 
meat.

In some people acne can be caused by excess of iodine.
http://www.zerozits.com/Articles/guesswho.htm
sol

Indi wrote:
Meat eating can cause really bad acne in teens sometimes. I have seen 
very bad acne completely vanish on a vegetarian diet -- 
though I know many people would probably rather have the acne, but I 
think just giving up red meat may make a big difference.

Also junk food, steroids, or stimulants can cause acne.


On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 02:52:20AM -0400, Kathy wrote:


As far as my son's acne. This really has me baffled. He never had 
anything at all until last summer when he got a really bad sunburn. It 
started about a month later and we have battled it ever since. The Dr. 
of course gave him strong anti-biotics and also a topical one - neither 
did anything. We have tried several essential oils, lotions, aloe, etc. 
We have tried different vitamins and herbs and as I mentioned previously 
bentonite clay.
I am not sure if it actually a infection although the bumps look like 
small boils. Some of them get pretty big- maybe almost as big as a dime 
but not quite. He probably has 80-100 on his back and chest now. I am 
watching his diet but may be missing the culprit due to school lunches. 
He is pretty active these days he plays football (unbeaten right now 
14-0) I did notice the other night after a game he was extremely sweaty 
and his face was broke out twice as bad as it was before the game. That 
really puzzled me.


I guess maybe I will just use the Water Oz stuff topically on him or 
maybe mix with clay.

Maybe it would be best used as a household cleaning solution. lol
So I am anxious to hear what others here think and to learn more about 
CS in general.


Kathy

- Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:14 AM
Subject:  Re: CS>new member-water oz




Hi and welcome, Kathy!

I bet you'll get some info on CS, as well as a few other suggestions of
how to help your son's body get over the acne problem.

The actual definition of "Colloidal Silver" in practice is a slippery
thing. Those words have been applied to many products made in different
ways and with different characteristics; everything from chemical
precipitates to protein suspensions to concentrated silver salts have
been named and mis-named as "CS."

What we like to call CS would be:

Pure silver in pure water with no additives.
Not a silver salt or other compound.
Modest concentrations of maybe 5 to 20 ppm.
Usually mostly ionic, monoatomic or dissolved silver,
with some particulate silver.
Most often made by an electrolytic process.
Usually clear, colorless, with a faint tyndall effect
(that makes a laser beam shown through it visible).

Water Oz is not forthcoming in saying exactly what their silver product
is or how it's made. The analysis by other people I remember reading
about pegged it as a silver salt. It is one commercial product that has
been associated with several cases of argyria in people who used larger
doses than are recommended by the manufacturer.

If you haven't already heard of it, argyria is a blue/grey
discoloration of the skin or other tissues which is cosmetically
objectionable but appears to have no other health effect. In severe
cases it is seriously disfiguring, although mild cases have been
reported that did not seem to interfere with the person's normal
activities. It was long thought to be irreversible, but at least a
couple of approaches have been developed recently that, though
difficult, produce satisfactory results.

It is most likely to develop in people who a) ingest very large amounts
of total silver, most often silver compounds, and b) are deficient in
the minerals needed to handle excretion of metals. The body is normally
very good at eliminating silver within days, unless those excretory
pathways are overwhelmed by total quantity or inhibited by lack of
essential minerals. Supplementing selenium and probably zinc and
magnesium, will help assure their proper functioning.

Obviously, you'd choose to avoid the problem altogether, so I would
suggest not using more than the recommended dose of the product you
have bought, and rep

Re: [ Re: CS>new member-water oz

[sol]

I'd be more inclined to think it caused by milk and dairy products than 
meat.

In some people acne can be caused by excess of iodine.
http://www.zerozits.com/Articles/guesswho.htm
sol

Indi wrote:
Meat eating can cause really bad acne in teens sometimes. 
I have seen very bad acne completely vanish on a vegetarian diet -- 
though I know many people would probably rather have the acne, but 
I think just giving up red meat may make a big difference.

Also junk food, steroids, or stimulants can cause acne.


On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 02:52:20AM -0400, Kathy wrote:

  
As far as my son's acne. This really has me baffled. He never had 
anything at all until last summer when he got a really bad sunburn. It 
started about a month later and we have battled it ever since. The Dr. of 
course gave him strong anti-biotics and also a topical one - neither did 
anything. We have tried several essential oils, lotions, aloe, etc. We 
have tried different vitamins and herbs and as I mentioned previously 
bentonite clay.
I am not sure if it actually a infection although the bumps look like 
small boils. Some of them get pretty big- maybe almost as big as a dime 
but not quite. He probably has 80-100 on his back and chest now. I am 
watching his diet but may be missing the culprit due to school lunches. 
He is pretty active these days he plays football (unbeaten right now 
14-0) I did notice the other night after a game he was extremely sweaty 
and his face was broke out twice as bad as it was before the game. That 
really puzzled me.


I guess maybe I will just use the Water Oz stuff topically on him or 
maybe mix with clay.

Maybe it would be best used as a household cleaning solution. lol
So I am anxious to hear what others here think and to learn more about CS 
in general.


Kathy

- Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:14 AM
Subject:  Re: CS>new member-water oz




Hi and welcome, Kathy!

I bet you'll get some info on CS, as well as a few other suggestions of
how to help your son's body get over the acne problem.

The actual definition of "Colloidal Silver" in practice is a slippery
thing. Those words have been applied to many products made in different
ways and with different characteristics; everything from chemical
precipitates to protein suspensions to concentrated silver salts have
been named and mis-named as "CS."

What we like to call CS would be:

Pure silver in pure water with no additives.
Not a silver salt or other compound.
Modest concentrations of maybe 5 to 20 ppm.
Usually mostly ionic, monoatomic or dissolved silver,
with some particulate silver.
Most often made by an electrolytic process.
Usually clear, colorless, with a faint tyndall effect
(that makes a laser beam shown through it visible).

Water Oz is not forthcoming in saying exactly what their silver product
is or how it's made. The analysis by other people I remember reading
about pegged it as a silver salt. It is one commercial product that has
been associated with several cases of argyria in people who used larger
doses than are recommended by the manufacturer.

If you haven't already heard of it, argyria is a blue/grey
discoloration of the skin or other tissues which is cosmetically
objectionable but appears to have no other health effect. In severe
cases it is seriously disfiguring, although mild cases have been
reported that did not seem to interfere with the person's normal
activities. It was long thought to be irreversible, but at least a
couple of approaches have been developed recently that, though
difficult, produce satisfactory results.

It is most likely to develop in people who a) ingest very large amounts
of total silver, most often silver compounds, and b) are deficient in
the minerals needed to handle excretion of metals. The body is normally
very good at eliminating silver within days, unless those excretory
pathways are overwhelmed by total quantity or inhibited by lack of
essential minerals. Supplementing selenium and probably zinc and
magnesium, will help assure their proper functioning.

Obviously, you'd choose to avoid the problem altogether, so I would
suggest not using more than the recommended dose of the product you
have bought, and replacing it with a different, more appropriate
preparation when it runs out. One bottle won't turn your son blue, but
gallons of it may, under the wrong conditions.

Okay, having thoroughly acquainted you with the only known potential
downside, let's talk about the successful use of CS! 

Most of us make our own CS using generators we've bought or built
ourselves. You will then know for sure what's in it and how it's made,
not to mention saving a heck of a lot of money. When you consider the
difference in price between commercial products and distilled water,
the generator will pay for itself quickly.

I'm sure folks will also mention 

Re: [ Re: CS>new member-water oz

[Indi]

Meat eating can cause really bad acne in teens sometimes. 
I have seen very bad acne completely vanish on a vegetarian diet -- 
though I know many people would probably rather have the acne, but 
I think just giving up red meat may make a big difference.
Also junk food, steroids, or stimulants can cause acne.


On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 02:52:20AM -0400, Kathy wrote:

> As far as my son's acne. This really has me baffled. He never had 
> anything at all until last summer when he got a really bad sunburn. It 
> started about a month later and we have battled it ever since. The Dr. of 
> course gave him strong anti-biotics and also a topical one - neither did 
> anything. We have tried several essential oils, lotions, aloe, etc. We 
> have tried different vitamins and herbs and as I mentioned previously 
> bentonite clay.
> I am not sure if it actually a infection although the bumps look like 
> small boils. Some of them get pretty big- maybe almost as big as a dime 
> but not quite. He probably has 80-100 on his back and chest now. I am 
> watching his diet but may be missing the culprit due to school lunches. 
> He is pretty active these days he plays football (unbeaten right now 
> 14-0) I did notice the other night after a game he was extremely sweaty 
> and his face was broke out twice as bad as it was before the game. That 
> really puzzled me.
>
> I guess maybe I will just use the Water Oz stuff topically on him or 
> maybe mix with clay.
> Maybe it would be best used as a household cleaning solution. lol
> So I am anxious to hear what others here think and to learn more about CS 
> in general.
>
> Kathy
>
> - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:14 AM
> Subject:  Re: CS>new member-water oz
>
>
>> Hi and welcome, Kathy!
>>
>> I bet you'll get some info on CS, as well as a few other suggestions of
>> how to help your son's body get over the acne problem.
>>
>> The actual definition of "Colloidal Silver" in practice is a slippery
>> thing. Those words have been applied to many products made in different
>> ways and with different characteristics; everything from chemical
>> precipitates to protein suspensions to concentrated silver salts have
>> been named and mis-named as "CS."
>>
>> What we like to call CS would be:
>>
>> Pure silver in pure water with no additives.
>> Not a silver salt or other compound.
>> Modest concentrations of maybe 5 to 20 ppm.
>> Usually mostly ionic, monoatomic or dissolved silver,
>> with some particulate silver.
>> Most often made by an electrolytic process.
>> Usually clear, colorless, with a faint tyndall effect
>> (that makes a laser beam shown through it visible).
>>
>> Water Oz is not forthcoming in saying exactly what their silver product
>> is or how it's made. The analysis by other people I remember reading
>> about pegged it as a silver salt. It is one commercial product that has
>> been associated with several cases of argyria in people who used larger
>> doses than are recommended by the manufacturer.
>>
>> If you haven't already heard of it, argyria is a blue/grey
>> discoloration of the skin or other tissues which is cosmetically
>> objectionable but appears to have no other health effect. In severe
>> cases it is seriously disfiguring, although mild cases have been
>> reported that did not seem to interfere with the person's normal
>> activities. It was long thought to be irreversible, but at least a
>> couple of approaches have been developed recently that, though
>> difficult, produce satisfactory results.
>>
>> It is most likely to develop in people who a) ingest very large amounts
>> of total silver, most often silver compounds, and b) are deficient in
>> the minerals needed to handle excretion of metals. The body is normally
>> very good at eliminating silver within days, unless those excretory
>> pathways are overwhelmed by total quantity or inhibited by lack of
>> essential minerals. Supplementing selenium and probably zinc and
>> magnesium, will help assure their proper functioning.
>>
>> Obviously, you'd choose to avoid the problem altogether, so I would
>> suggest not using more than the recommended dose of the product you
>> have bought, and replacing it with a different, more appropriate
>> preparation when it runs out. One bottle won't turn your son blue, but
>> gallons of it may, under the wrong conditions.
>>
>> Okay, having thoroughly acquainted you with the only known potential
>> downside, let's talk about the 

Re: CS>new member-water oz

[Dan Nave]

More likely has something to do with football...

1. Check that his bowels are moving regularly, once to twice a day.
If not, do some sort of bowel cleanse, Dr. Richard Schulze has a good
one www.herbdoc.com

2.  Make sure he is not drinking liters of Pepsi or coke, masses of
pizza, beer, etc.

3.  Buy a SilverPuppy Colloidal Silver maker (or one of the other
recommended brands).

SilverPuppy is #2 Mag Kit [$145 USA price] Works like a laboratory type
magnetically coupled stirrer. [Magnets attract and move each other
through non Ferris barriors] Use your 8 to 32 oz canning/mason jar...up
to one gallon. [click] [Added shipping may apply, see bottom of page]
[This kit is 120 volts only]

The reason I say this, is that you will need more CS than you can buy
for $145 from the store, so bite the bullet now.  Use copious amounts of
CS, some internally in divided doses and a lot for spraying on
everything.

4. Take 1/2 ounce of colloidal silver, or 1 ounce if he is large, about
every hour.  After a few days reduce frequency of dose to something more
manageable, like 8 times a day, then perhaps 5 times.  

You can also spray CS on his back, or make up the solution that Brooks
Bradley researched:  

"the most effective single protocol, utilizing a minimum number of total
ingredients, revealed to be one including nothing more than 75% 10 to 20
ppm colloidal silver (by volume), 10% full-strength DMSO (by volume) and
15% Glycerin (by volume).

5.  Wash all his football stuff and sterilize as best as possible.  Try
to use clean jerseys etc until the infection is under control.

6.  Have a large spray bottle of CS with a little bit of Hydrogen
Peroxide, about one or two teaspoons per gallon.  Use this to spray down
all athletic equipment, straps, pads, etc immediately after using, while
they are still wet.  Don't spray the DMSO and Glycerine CS on his pads.

7.  I saw an advertisement a while back for a large ice hockey bag which
had a built-in ozone generator and fan in which to keep and sterilize
athletic equipment.  This might be something that would work for your
son's equipment, or maybe they make something similar for football
equipment.

8.  If you use any recommendation here, you must reply to the list and
let us know if it worked for you, or not...

Dan

> -Original Message-
> From: Kathy [mailto:vano...@mrtc.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:52 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: [QUAR] Re: [ Re: CS>new member-water oz
> 
> Hi Mike
> Thank you for the indo here. I know a little about CS but not 
> nearly enough. 
> I also am familiar with the blue problem.
> As far as my son's acne. This really has me baffled. He never 
> had anything at all until last summer when he got a really 
> bad sunburn. It started about a month later and we have 
> battled it ever since. The Dr. of course gave him strong 
> anti-biotics and also a topical one - neither did anything. 
> We have tried several essential oils, lotions, aloe, etc. We 
> have tried different vitamins and herbs and as I mentioned 
> previously bentonite clay.
> I am not sure if it actually a infection although the bumps 
> look like small boils. Some of them get pretty big- maybe 
> almost as big as a dime but not quite. He probably has 80-100 
> on his back and chest now. I am watching his diet but may be 
> missing the culprit due to school lunches. He is pretty 
> active these days he plays football (unbeaten right now 14-0) 
> I did notice the other night after a game he was extremely 
> sweaty and his face was broke out twice as bad as it was 
> before the game. That really puzzled me.
> 
> I guess maybe I will just use the Water Oz stuff topically on 
> him or maybe mix with clay.
> Maybe it would be best used as a household cleaning solution. 
> lol So I am anxious to hear what others here think and to 
> learn more about CS in general.
> 
> Kathy
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "M. G. Devour" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:14 AM
> Subject:  Re: CS>new member-water oz
> 
> 
> > Hi and welcome, Kathy!
> >
> > I bet you'll get some info on CS, as well as a few other 
> suggestions of
> > how to help your son's body get over the acne problem.
> >
> > The actual definition of "Colloidal Silver" in practice is 
> a slippery
> > thing. Those words have been applied to many products made 
> in different
> > ways and with different characteristics; everything from chemical
> > precipitates to protein suspensions to concentrated silver 
> salts have
> > been named and mis-named as "CS."
> >
> > What we like to call CS would be:
> >
> > Pure silver in pure water with no additives.
> > Not a silver salt or other compound.
&g

Re: [ Re: CS>new member-water oz

[Kathy]

Hi Mike
Thank you for the indo here. I know a little about CS but not nearly enough. 
I also am familiar with the blue problem.
As far as my son's acne. This really has me baffled. He never had anything 
at all until last summer when he got a really bad sunburn. It started about 
a month later and we have battled it ever since. The Dr. of course gave him 
strong anti-biotics and also a topical one - neither did anything. We have 
tried several essential oils, lotions, aloe, etc. We have tried different 
vitamins and herbs and as I mentioned previously bentonite clay.
I am not sure if it actually a infection although the bumps look like small 
boils. Some of them get pretty big- maybe almost as big as a dime but not 
quite. He probably has 80-100 on his back and chest now. I am watching his 
diet but may be missing the culprit due to school lunches. He is pretty 
active these days he plays football (unbeaten right now 14-0) I did notice 
the other night after a game he was extremely sweaty and his face was broke 
out twice as bad as it was before the game. That really puzzled me.


I guess maybe I will just use the Water Oz stuff topically on him or maybe 
mix with clay.

Maybe it would be best used as a household cleaning solution. lol
So I am anxious to hear what others here think and to learn more about CS in 
general.


Kathy

- Original Message - 
From: "M. G. Devour" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 3:14 AM
Subject:  Re: CS>new member-water oz



Hi and welcome, Kathy!

I bet you'll get some info on CS, as well as a few other suggestions of
how to help your son's body get over the acne problem.

The actual definition of "Colloidal Silver" in practice is a slippery
thing. Those words have been applied to many products made in different
ways and with different characteristics; everything from chemical
precipitates to protein suspensions to concentrated silver salts have
been named and mis-named as "CS."

What we like to call CS would be:

Pure silver in pure water with no additives.
Not a silver salt or other compound.
Modest concentrations of maybe 5 to 20 ppm.
Usually mostly ionic, monoatomic or dissolved silver,
with some particulate silver.
Most often made by an electrolytic process.
Usually clear, colorless, with a faint tyndall effect
(that makes a laser beam shown through it visible).

Water Oz is not forthcoming in saying exactly what their silver product
is or how it's made. The analysis by other people I remember reading
about pegged it as a silver salt. It is one commercial product that has
been associated with several cases of argyria in people who used larger
doses than are recommended by the manufacturer.

If you haven't already heard of it, argyria is a blue/grey
discoloration of the skin or other tissues which is cosmetically
objectionable but appears to have no other health effect. In severe
cases it is seriously disfiguring, although mild cases have been
reported that did not seem to interfere with the person's normal
activities. It was long thought to be irreversible, but at least a
couple of approaches have been developed recently that, though
difficult, produce satisfactory results.

It is most likely to develop in people who a) ingest very large amounts
of total silver, most often silver compounds, and b) are deficient in
the minerals needed to handle excretion of metals. The body is normally
very good at eliminating silver within days, unless those excretory
pathways are overwhelmed by total quantity or inhibited by lack of
essential minerals. Supplementing selenium and probably zinc and
magnesium, will help assure their proper functioning.

Obviously, you'd choose to avoid the problem altogether, so I would
suggest not using more than the recommended dose of the product you
have bought, and replacing it with a different, more appropriate
preparation when it runs out. One bottle won't turn your son blue, but
gallons of it may, under the wrong conditions.

Okay, having thoroughly acquainted you with the only known potential
downside, let's talk about the successful use of CS! 

Most of us make our own CS using generators we've bought or built
ourselves. You will then know for sure what's in it and how it's made,
not to mention saving a heck of a lot of money. When you consider the
difference in price between commercial products and distilled water,
the generator will pay for itself quickly.

I'm sure folks will also mention other commercial brands for you to
consider.

A daily oral dose and spraying or rubbing it on topically have been
reported to help quite a bit. Acne may not be entirely an issue of
infection, though, and CS mostly works by killing germs, so you'll
probably be drawn into a study of nutrition, supplementation, and other
strategies to control the remaining factors that contribute to it.

I wish you well, and welcome!

Mike D.


Hi I am Kathy - I ju

Re: CS>new member-water oz

[M. G. Devour]

Hi and welcome, Kathy!

I bet you'll get some info on CS, as well as a few other suggestions of 
how to help your son's body get over the acne problem.

The actual definition of "Colloidal Silver" in practice is a slippery 
thing. Those words have been applied to many products made in different 
ways and with different characteristics; everything from chemical 
precipitates to protein suspensions to concentrated silver salts have 
been named and mis-named as "CS."

What we like to call CS would be:

Pure silver in pure water with no additives. 
Not a silver salt or other compound.
Modest concentrations of maybe 5 to 20 ppm.
Usually mostly ionic, monoatomic or dissolved silver,
with some particulate silver.
Most often made by an electrolytic process.
Usually clear, colorless, with a faint tyndall effect 
(that makes a laser beam shown through it visible).

Water Oz is not forthcoming in saying exactly what their silver product 
is or how it's made. The analysis by other people I remember reading 
about pegged it as a silver salt. It is one commercial product that has 
been associated with several cases of argyria in people who used larger 
doses than are recommended by the manufacturer. 

If you haven't already heard of it, argyria is a blue/grey 
discoloration of the skin or other tissues which is cosmetically 
objectionable but appears to have no other health effect. In severe 
cases it is seriously disfiguring, although mild cases have been 
reported that did not seem to interfere with the person's normal 
activities. It was long thought to be irreversible, but at least a 
couple of approaches have been developed recently that, though 
difficult, produce satisfactory results.

It is most likely to develop in people who a) ingest very large amounts 
of total silver, most often silver compounds, and b) are deficient in 
the minerals needed to handle excretion of metals. The body is normally 
very good at eliminating silver within days, unless those excretory 
pathways are overwhelmed by total quantity or inhibited by lack of 
essential minerals. Supplementing selenium and probably zinc and 
magnesium, will help assure their proper functioning.

Obviously, you'd choose to avoid the problem altogether, so I would 
suggest not using more than the recommended dose of the product you 
have bought, and replacing it with a different, more appropriate 
preparation when it runs out. One bottle won't turn your son blue, but 
gallons of it may, under the wrong conditions.

Okay, having thoroughly acquainted you with the only known potential 
downside, let's talk about the successful use of CS! 

Most of us make our own CS using generators we've bought or built 
ourselves. You will then know for sure what's in it and how it's made, 
not to mention saving a heck of a lot of money. When you consider the 
difference in price between commercial products and distilled water, 
the generator will pay for itself quickly.

I'm sure folks will also mention other commercial brands for you to 
consider.

A daily oral dose and spraying or rubbing it on topically have been 
reported to help quite a bit. Acne may not be entirely an issue of 
infection, though, and CS mostly works by killing germs, so you'll 
probably be drawn into a study of nutrition, supplementation, and other 
strategies to control the remaining factors that contribute to it.

I wish you well, and welcome!

Mike D.

> Hi I am Kathy - I just subbed to your group. Hope to learn more about
> CS. I am on a never ending quest to clear up my 13 yo son's acne, which
> is mainly on his back but spreading. Recently I have started using clay
> which helped a little but not much. Yesterday I bought a bottle of what
> I thought was CS but now I am not sure... It says silver dietary
> supplement. It is made by Water Oz. Is this the same thing?
> 
> Kathy


[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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CS>new member-water oz

[Kathy]

Hi I am Kathy - I just subbed to your group. Hope to learn more about CS. I am 
on a never ending quest to clear up my 13 yo son's acne, which is mainly on his 
back but spreading. Recently I have started using clay which helped a little 
but not much. Yesterday I bought a bottle of what I thought was CS but now I am 
not sure... It says silver dietary supplement.
It is made by Water Oz. Is this the same thing?

Kathy<>

Re: CS>New Member...

[Deborah Gerard]

Welcome to the group,
debbie :)

--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Neville  wrote:

From: Neville 
Subject: CS>New Member...
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 2:42 AM





Hi All,
 
I only joined a couple of days ago, so by way of introduction...I have been 
involved, and have involved my family and their animals, with EICS for several 
years. I personally ingest a quantity of ICS every morning as a, 'daily 
maintenance program', using my own equipment and methods, and have been doing 
this for roughly 4 years.  I guess I am just asking that if I wish to put 
forward any of my personal observations and/or experiences, or have any queries 
or need some further advice on a particular matter, I should feel free to do 
so, would I be correct in that assumption?
 
I am not necessarily looking for anything at the moment, more feeling my way 
around one might say.
 
Cheers...Neville.


  

Re: CS>New Member...

[Rowena]

Oh.  Oops.  Neville is a night bird!  Or he lives in the West!
R
Good night, Neville, race you to Dreamland!

I am a few thousand kilometers south-east...Australia, 

  MA, I think Neville might be from down under, which would mean he is tucked 
  up in bed right now (unless he works nights) and won't be around for a few 
  hours yet!
  R

Re: CS>New Member...

[Rowena]

MA, I think Neville might be from down under, which would mean he is tucked 
up in bed right now (unless he works nights) and won't be around for a few 
hours yet!
R

Hi Neville -- welcome to the group.  Yes, you are correct -- you should just 
jump in with any remarks and/or questions on your mind.  Am I correct in my 
assumption that you're located in England?  MA


-- Original message from "Neville" 
: -- 


Hi All,

I only joined a couple of days ago, so by way of introduction...I have been 
involved, and have involved my family and their animals, with EICS for 
several years. I personally ingest a quantity of ICS every morning as a, 
'daily maintenance program', using my own equipment and methods, and have 
been doing this for roughly 4 years. 


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Re: CS>New Member...

[Dee]

Everyone will be delighted to answer any questions you may have Neville, 
and welcome to the list.  dee


Neville wrote:

Hi All,
 
I only joined a couple of days ago, so by way of introduction...I have 
been involved, and have involved my family and their animals, with 
EICS for several years. I personally ingest a quantity of ICS every 
morning as a, 'daily maintenance program', using my own equipment and 
methods, and have been doing this for roughly 4 years.  I guess I am 
just asking that if I wish to put forward any of my personal 
observations and/or experiences, or have any queries or need some 
further advice on a particular matter, I should feel free to do so, 
would I be correct in that assumption?
 
I am not necessarily looking for anything at the moment, more feeling 
my way around one might say.
 
Cheers...Neville.



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Re: CS>New Member...

[marmar845]

Hi Neville -- welcome to the group.  Yes, you are correct -- you should just jump in with any remarks and/or questions on your mind.  Am I correct in my assumption that you're located in England?  MA
 
 
-- Original message from "Neville" : -- 



Hi All,
 
I only joined a couple of days ago, so by way of introduction...I have been involved, and have involved my family and their animals, with EICS for several years. I personally ingest a quantity of ICS every morning as a, 'daily maintenance program', using my own equipment and methods, and have been doing this for roughly 4 years.  I guess I am just asking that if I wish to put forward any of my personal observations and/or experiences, or have any queries or need some further advice on a particular matter, I should feel free to do so, would I be correct in that assumption?
 
I am not necessarily looking for anything at the moment, more feeling my way around one might say.
 
Cheers...Neville.