Re: CS>Probiotics

[Jonathan B. Britten]

 will always effortlessly go to the 
> bathroom once for every major meal eaten the day prior.
>  
> So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your 
> supplementation.  I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I 
> don't see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious digestive 
> disorders.
>  
> Kind Regards,
>  
> Jason
>  
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Gayla Roberts [mailto:aera...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:30 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Probiotics
> Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics? 
> 

Re: CS>Probiotics

[Del]

Company website:

http://www.vsl3.com/

Del
  - Original Message - 
  From: PT Ferrance 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:34 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Probiotics


  Del,
  What company would that be?
  Thanks.
  PT




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  From: Del 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 2:38:11 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Probiotics


  For most of her life, my wife has been battling IBS.
  I always believed that a probiotic should solve the problem.
  We tried many (including the HSO).  Nothing worked.
  Then we tried VSL#3.
  IBS gone within about two months on one packet per day.
  Now she gets it by prescription so that our drug coverage will defray the 
considerable cost.
  We think eventually she will be able to stop taking it and still remain 
stable.
  If you order it, make sure to order from the company itself so that it will 
be shipped with ice packs.
  VSL#3 should always be refrigerated.

  Del
- Original Message - 
From: Jason R Eaton 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:04 AM
Subject: CS>Probiotics


Hi Steve:

I'm always playing around with various probies.  Sometimes, one must 
consider how powerful of a porbiotic formula one actsually needs.  I'm NOT an 
expert on the topic, but I do emmensely enjoy the research.

Dr. Mercola's probiotics, which contain ten strains, are desigend to 
survive the digestive tract.  These are just your run-of-the-mill probiotics, 
and a touch pricey, but at least one knows the job will get done.

The first of the "big guns" I play with are HSO's, homeostatic soil 
organisms, offered by Garden Life under the brand name Primal Defense.  These 
are very controversial little creatures have no problems surviving through the 
digestive system.  These types of organisms have come under fire primarily due 
to modern science's inability to predict the long term effects of HSO's.  
However, before disregarding them as potentially profound healing agents, the 
small scale studies done should be carefully considered.

http://www.crohns-disease-probiotics.com/HSOs.html

http://miracleii-4u.com/hsos-clinical-studies.htm


But my personal favorite probies I make myself, from Effective 
Microorgansims.  THe EM master culture, from Japan, is quite affordable, and is 
a blend of microorganisms designed as a support system to keep one type of very 
special microorganism alive: Two strains of photosynthetic bacteria,  
Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides 


http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm

These amazing little creatures (if you can call them that) don't often 
appear at the Earth's surface anymore... Not since the Earth's atomosphere 
began containing oxygen.  

Every last researcher that I've corresponded with has been nothing short of 
amazed at the various applications of EM and A-EM.  Ongoing research continues:

http://emrojapan.com/

...however, very little has been published in English about the health and 
healing potential of using EM-based supplements as probiotics.  That said, in 
the worst case scenarios with people I correspond with, when their chronic 
digestive conditions (and we're talking hospitalization level conditions) 
respond to nothing else, a combination of EM therapy and clay therapy has, at 
the very least, stabilized even the most serious cases of IBS, Crohns, and 
other non- or mis-diagnosed conditions of the lower intestines.

Whatever probiotic one chooses, it takes about four weeks to see how they 
will compete with whatever else is in the colon.  When the state of the colon 
is returned to normal, an individual will always effortlessly go to the 
bathroom once for every major meal eaten the day prior.

So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your 
supplementation.  I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I don't 
see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious digestive 
disorders.

Kind Regards,

Jason

Re: CS>Probiotics

[PT Ferrance]

Del,
What company would that be?
Thanks.
PT





From: Del 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 2:38:11 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Probiotics


For most of her life, my wife has been battling IBS.
I always believed that a probiotic should solve the problem.
We tried many (including the HSO).  Nothing worked.
Then we tried VSL#3.
IBS gone within about two months on one packet per day.
Now she gets it by prescription so that our drug coverage will defray the 
considerable cost.
We think eventually she will be able to stop taking it and still remain stable.
If you order it, make sure to order from the company itself so that it will be 
shipped with ice packs.
VSL#3 should always be refrigerated.
 
Del
- Original Message - 
>From: Jason R Eaton 
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:04 AM
>Subject: CS>Probiotics
>
>
>Hi Steve:
> 
>I'm always playing around with various probies.  Sometimes, one must consider 
>how powerful of a porbiotic formula one actsually needs.  I'm NOT an expert on 
>the topic, but I do emmensely enjoy the research.
> 
>Dr. Mercola's probiotics, which contain ten strains, are desigend to survive 
>the 
>digestive tract.  These are just your run-of-the-mill probiotics, and a touch 
>pricey, but at least one knows the job will get done.
> 
>The first of the "big guns" I play with are HSO's, homeostatic soil organisms, 
>offered by Garden Life under the brand name Primal Defense.  These are very 
>controversial little creatures have no problems surviving through the 
>digestive 
>system.  These types of organisms have come under fire primarily due to modern 
>science's inability to predict the long term effects of HSO's.  However, 
>before 
>disregarding them as potentially profound healing agents, the small scale 
>studies done should be carefully considered.
> 
>http://www.crohns-disease-probiotics.com/HSOs.html
> 
>http://miracleii-4u.com/hsos-clinical-studies.htm
> 
> 
>But my personal favorite probies I make myself, from Effective 
>Microorgansims.  
>THe EM master culture, from Japan, is quite affordable, and is a blend of 
>microorganisms designed as a support system to keep one type of very special 
>microorganism alive: Two strains of photosynthetic bacteria,  Rhodopseudomonas 
>palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides 
> 
>http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm
>
> 
>These amazing little creatures (if you can call them that) don't often appear 
>at 
>the Earth's surface anymore... Not since the Earth's atomosphere began 
>containing oxygen.  
>
> 
>Every last researcher that I've corresponded with has been nothing short of 
>amazed at the various applications of EM and A-EM.  Ongoing research continues:
> 
>http://emrojapan.com/
> 
>...however, very little has been published in English about the health and 
>healing potential of using EM-based supplements as probiotics.  That said, in 
>the worst case scenarios with people I correspond with, when their chronic 
>digestive conditions (and we're talking hospitalization level conditions) 
>respond to nothing else, a combination of EM therapy and clay therapy has, at 
>the very least, stabilized even the most serious cases of IBS, Crohns, and 
>other 
>non- or mis-diagnosed conditions of the lower intestines.
> 
>Whatever probiotic one chooses, it takes about four weeks to see how they will 
>compete with whatever else is in the colon.  When the state of the colon is 
>returned to normal, an individual will always effortlessly go to the bathroom 
>once for every major meal eaten the day prior.
> 
>So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your 
>supplementation.  I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I 
>don't 
>see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious digestive 
>disorders.
> 
>Kind Regards,
> 
>Jason
> 

Re: CS>Probiotics

[David AuBuchon]

I calculated Dr. Mercolas as being one of the best price per billion
organisms on the market.  I started his brand recently, and it has improved
by bowels after switching from Ayush brand which I was on.  I take lots of
antibiotics.

~David

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Del  wrote:

>  For most of her life, my wife has been battling IBS.
> I always believed that a probiotic should solve the problem.
> We tried many (including the HSO).  Nothing worked.
> Then we tried VSL#3.
> IBS gone within about two months on one packet per day.
> Now she gets it by prescription so that our drug coverage will defray the
> considerable cost.
> We think eventually she will be able to stop taking it and still remain
> stable.
> If you order it, make sure to order from the company itself so that it will
> be shipped with ice packs.
> VSL#3 should always be refrigerated.
>
> Del
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jason R Eaton 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:04 AM
> *Subject:* CS>Probiotics
>
> Hi Steve:
>
> I'm always playing around with various probies.  Sometimes, one must
> consider how powerful of a porbiotic formula one actsually needs.  I'm NOT
> an expert on the topic, but I do emmensely enjoy the research.
>
> Dr. Mercola's probiotics, which contain ten strains, are desigend to
> survive the digestive tract.  These are just your run-of-the-mill
> probiotics, and a touch pricey, but at least one knows the job will get
> done.
>
> The first of the "big guns" I play with are HSO's, homeostatic soil
> organisms, offered by Garden Life under the brand name Primal Defense.
> These are very controversial little creatures have no problems surviving
> through the digestive system.  These types of organisms have come under fire
> primarily due to modern science's inability to predict the long term effects
> of HSO's.  However, before disregarding them as potentially profound healing
> agents, the small scale studies done should be carefully considered.
>
> http://www.crohns-disease-probiotics.com/HSOs.html
>
> http://miracleii-4u.com/hsos-clinical-studies.htm
>
>
> But my personal favorite probies I make myself, from Effective
> Microorgansims.  THe EM master culture, from Japan, is quite affordable, and
> is a blend of microorganisms designed as a support system to keep one type
> of very special microorganism alive: Two strains of photosynthetic
> bacteria,  Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides
>
>
> http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm
>
> These amazing little creatures (if you can call them that) don't often
> appear at the Earth's surface anymore... Not since the Earth's atomosphere
> began containing oxygen.
>
> Every last researcher that I've corresponded with has been nothing short of
> amazed at the various applications of EM and A-EM.  Ongoing research
> continues:
>
> http://emrojapan.com/
>
> ...however, very little has been published in English about the health and
> healing potential of using EM-based supplements as probiotics.  That said,
> in the worst case scenarios with people I correspond with, when their
> chronic digestive conditions (and we're talking hospitalization level
> conditions) respond to nothing else, a combination of EM therapy and clay
> therapy has, at the very least, stabilized even the most serious cases of
> IBS, Crohns, and other non- or mis-diagnosed conditions of the lower
> intestines.
>
> Whatever probiotic one chooses, it takes about four weeks to see how they
> will compete with whatever else is in the colon.  When the state of the
> colon is returned to normal, an individual will always effortlessly go to
> the bathroom once for every major meal eaten the day prior.
>
> So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your
> supplementation.  I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I
> don't see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious
> digestive disorders.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jason
>
>
>

Re: CS>Probiotics

[Del]

Re: CS>ProbioticsFor most of her life, my wife has been battling IBS.
I always believed that a probiotic should solve the problem.
We tried many (including the HSO).  Nothing worked.
Then we tried VSL#3.
IBS gone within about two months on one packet per day.
Now she gets it by prescription so that our drug coverage will defray the 
considerable cost.
We think eventually she will be able to stop taking it and still remain stable.
If you order it, make sure to order from the company itself so that it will be 
shipped with ice packs.
VSL#3 should always be refrigerated.

Del
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jason R Eaton 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:04 AM
  Subject: CS>Probiotics


  Hi Steve:

  I'm always playing around with various probies.  Sometimes, one must consider 
how powerful of a porbiotic formula one actsually needs.  I'm NOT an expert on 
the topic, but I do emmensely enjoy the research.

  Dr. Mercola's probiotics, which contain ten strains, are desigend to survive 
the digestive tract.  These are just your run-of-the-mill probiotics, and a 
touch pricey, but at least one knows the job will get done.

  The first of the "big guns" I play with are HSO's, homeostatic soil 
organisms, offered by Garden Life under the brand name Primal Defense.  These 
are very controversial little creatures have no problems surviving through the 
digestive system.  These types of organisms have come under fire primarily due 
to modern science's inability to predict the long term effects of HSO's.  
However, before disregarding them as potentially profound healing agents, the 
small scale studies done should be carefully considered.

  http://www.crohns-disease-probiotics.com/HSOs.html

  http://miracleii-4u.com/hsos-clinical-studies.htm


  But my personal favorite probies I make myself, from Effective 
Microorgansims.  THe EM master culture, from Japan, is quite affordable, and is 
a blend of microorganisms designed as a support system to keep one type of very 
special microorganism alive: Two strains of photosynthetic bacteria,  
Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides 

  
http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm

  These amazing little creatures (if you can call them that) don't often appear 
at the Earth's surface anymore... Not since the Earth's atomosphere began 
containing oxygen.  

  Every last researcher that I've corresponded with has been nothing short of 
amazed at the various applications of EM and A-EM.  Ongoing research continues:

  http://emrojapan.com/

  ...however, very little has been published in English about the health and 
healing potential of using EM-based supplements as probiotics.  That said, in 
the worst case scenarios with people I correspond with, when their chronic 
digestive conditions (and we're talking hospitalization level conditions) 
respond to nothing else, a combination of EM therapy and clay therapy has, at 
the very least, stabilized even the most serious cases of IBS, Crohns, and 
other non- or mis-diagnosed conditions of the lower intestines.

  Whatever probiotic one chooses, it takes about four weeks to see how they 
will compete with whatever else is in the colon.  When the state of the colon 
is returned to normal, an individual will always effortlessly go to the 
bathroom once for every major meal eaten the day prior.

  So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your 
supplementation.  I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I don't 
see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious digestive 
disorders.

  Kind Regards,

  Jason

CS>Probiotics

[Jason R Eaton]

Re: CS>ProbioticsHi Steve:

I'm always playing around with various probies.  Sometimes, one must consider 
how powerful of a porbiotic formula one actsually needs.  I'm NOT an expert on 
the topic, but I do emmensely enjoy the research.

Dr. Mercola's probiotics, which contain ten strains, are desigend to survive 
the digestive tract.  These are just your run-of-the-mill probiotics, and a 
touch pricey, but at least one knows the job will get done.

The first of the "big guns" I play with are HSO's, homeostatic soil organisms, 
offered by Garden Life under the brand name Primal Defense.  These are very 
controversial little creatures have no problems surviving through the digestive 
system.  These types of organisms have come under fire primarily due to modern 
science's inability to predict the long term effects of HSO's.  However, before 
disregarding them as potentially profound healing agents, the small scale 
studies done should be carefully considered.

http://www.crohns-disease-probiotics.com/HSOs.html

http://miracleii-4u.com/hsos-clinical-studies.htm


But my personal favorite probies I make myself, from Effective Microorgansims.  
THe EM master culture, from Japan, is quite affordable, and is a blend of 
microorganisms designed as a support system to keep one type of very special 
microorganism alive: Two strains of photosynthetic bacteria,  Rhodopseudomonas 
palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides 

http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm

These amazing little creatures (if you can call them that) don't often appear 
at the Earth's surface anymore... Not since the Earth's atomosphere began 
containing oxygen.  

Every last researcher that I've corresponded with has been nothing short of 
amazed at the various applications of EM and A-EM.  Ongoing research continues:

http://emrojapan.com/

...however, very little has been published in English about the health and 
healing potential of using EM-based supplements as probiotics.  That said, in 
the worst case scenarios with people I correspond with, when their chronic 
digestive conditions (and we're talking hospitalization level conditions) 
respond to nothing else, a combination of EM therapy and clay therapy has, at 
the very least, stabilized even the most serious cases of IBS, Crohns, and 
other non- or mis-diagnosed conditions of the lower intestines.

Whatever probiotic one chooses, it takes about four weeks to see how they will 
compete with whatever else is in the colon.  When the state of the colon is 
returned to normal, an individual will always effortlessly go to the bathroom 
once for every major meal eaten the day prior.

So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your 
supplementation.  I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I don't 
see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious digestive 
disorders.

Kind Regards,

Jason


- Original Message - 

--

  From: Gayla Roberts [mailto:aera...@gmail.com] 
  Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:30 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CS>Probiotics


  Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics? 

RE: CS>Probiotics

Thank you for the responses.  Kefir and like products are immediately acted
upon in the stomach and the friendly bacteria is acted upon by the gastric
juices, acids, etc.  How much of the friendly bacteria actually makes it to
the intestines where it is most needed?  That is why I mentioned I would
like a delivery system with a timed release feature so the probiotic would
be released primarily in the intestines, not the stomach.

--Steve Y.

  _  

From: Gayla Roberts [mailto:aera...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:30 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Probiotics

 

Kefir and kombucha. Or any traditional fermented foods.
Gayla
- Original Message -
From: "Sara Mandal-Joy" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Probiotics


>  I make my own kefir.  Can't do better than that, from my perception.  
> Sara
>
> On 3/12/2011 3:30 PM, S&JY wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics? 
>> Specifically, brands that have at least 10 strains of friendly
>> bacteria with a strength of at least 10 billion bacteria, and time
>> released so they make it to the intestines without being destroyed in
>> the stomach.  Decent shelf life (stabilized) also.  For example
>> OurHealthCo-op Probiotics 16.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Steve Y.

Re: CS>Probiotics

[Gayla Roberts]

Kefir and kombucha. Or any traditional fermented foods.
Gayla
- Original Message - 
From: "Sara Mandal-Joy" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Probiotics


 I make my own kefir.  Can't do better than that, from my perception.   
Sara


On 3/12/2011 3:30 PM, S&JY wrote:


Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics?  
Specifically, brands that have at least 10 strains of friendly 
bacteria with a strength of at least 10 billion bacteria, and time 
released so they make it to the intestines without being destroyed in 
the stomach.  Decent shelf life (stabilized) also.  For example 
OurHealthCo-op Probiotics 16.


Thanks,

Steve Y.




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Re: CS>Probiotics

[Guyot Léna]

You seem to be recommending a product, so why are you asking, or is  
this a way of promoting this product? I'm confused.


Home-made Kefir has 57 strains of friendly bacteria. It's easy to make  
and very cheap, and can be taken throughout the day. Has made a  
tremendous difference for me, and for my husband who just had to take  
a course of abx for a dental issue.


Be well,
Léna
On Mar 12, 2011, at 4:30 PM, S&JY wrote:

Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics?   
Specifically, brands that have at least 10 strains of friendly  
bacteria with a strength of at least 10 billion bacteria, and time  
released so they make it to the intestines without being destroyed in  
the stomach.  Decent shelf life (stabilized) also.  For example  
OurHealthCo-op Probiotics 16.


Thanks,
Steve Y.

Re: CS>Probiotics

[Sara Mandal-Joy]

 I make my own kefir.  Can't do better than that, from my perception.   
Sara


On 3/12/2011 3:30 PM, S&JY wrote:


Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics?  
Specifically, brands that have at least 10 strains of friendly 
bacteria with a strength of at least 10 billion bacteria, and time 
released so they make it to the intestines without being destroyed in 
the stomach.  Decent shelf life (stabilized) also.  For example 
OurHealthCo-op Probiotics 16.


Thanks,

Steve Y.




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CS>Probiotics

Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics?  Specifically,
brands that have at least 10 strains of friendly bacteria with a strength of
at least 10 billion bacteria, and time released so they make it to the
intestines without being destroyed in the stomach.  Decent shelf life
(stabilized) also.  For example OurHealthCo-op Probiotics 16.

 

Thanks,

Steve Y.

Re: CS>probiotics

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

A Medisana nebulizer is a great asset Larry.  I don't have the health problems 
you do, but if a cold is in the air, it tends to 'go to my chest' so to speak, 
which in the past necessitated ABX's (horror, upon horror!)  but I got my 
Medisana (the one with the little spout) and it works wonders!  No ABX's!  dee

On 13 Nov 2009, at 17:49, Larry Biggar wrote:

> Hi David, I've been using 10 tds CS i made in my Silver Puppy. I have 
> breathing problems which only occurs when ive overstressed my cardo-pulminary 
> systems. With re occuring bladder infections. With my 4 heart attacks and 
> congestial heart failure. So my breathing is in great compramize. I've been 
> gargling about 1 oz./day plus spray both nostrils and my throat. Trying to 
> find nose sprayer or even a nebulizer. Because if what im using is working. 
> What would be a logical next step? I appriciate your help!  Larry
> 

CS>probiotics (to Larry)

[Alchemysa]

Larry.

I'm no expert but I'd suggest you get a small Ultrasonic room  
humidifier .  They are easier to use than a nebulizer. The Medisana  
is good. It has a spout so you can get up close and take deep  
breathes. But there are plenty of others. Lets of cheapies on ebay.


By the way.. 10 on the TDS would be at least 20 ppm.

David




From: Larry Biggar 
Date: 14 November 2009 4:19:58 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>probiotics


Hi David, I've been using 10 tds CS i made in my Silver Puppy. I  
have breathing problems which only occurs when ive overstressed my  
cardo-pulminary systems. With re occuring bladder infections. With  
my 4 heart attacks and congestial heart failure. So my breathing is  
in great compramize. I've been gargling about 1 oz./day plus spray  
both nostrils and my throat. Trying to find nose sprayer or even a  
nebulizer. Because if what im using is working. What would be a  
logical next step? I appriciate your help!  Larry


From: Alchemysa 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:45:37 PM
Subject: CS>probiotics


If CS killed the 'good bacteria' the result would be pretty obvious  
and catastrophic. I certainly haven't noticed any problems in that  
area.
My personal theory is that CS particles and ions are nulified in  
the intestine because they become coated with goo. (i.e. Digestive  
fluids).
Silver needs to be physically in direct contact with a bacteria to  
kill it. That can't happen if the silver is surrounded by an  
'insulating' coating.
Its similar reasoning to why 'mild silver protein' is less  
effective than electolytic CS.  Mild silver protein (like Invive)  
is a silver compound coated with a type of gelatin.


David





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Re: CS>probiotics

[Larry Biggar]

Hi David, I've been using 10 tds CS i made in my Silver Puppy. I have breathing 
problems which only occurs when ive overstressed my cardo-pulminary systems. 
With re occuring bladder infections. With my 4 heart attacks and congestial 
heart failure. So my breathing is in great compramize. I've been gargling about 
1 oz./day plus spray both nostrils and my throat. Trying to find nose sprayer 
or even a nebulizer. Because if what im using is working. What would be a 
logical next step? I appriciate your help!  Larry





From: Alchemysa 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:45:37 PM
Subject: CS>probiotics


If CS killed the 'good bacteria' the result would be pretty obvious and 
catastrophic. I certainly haven't noticed any problems in that area.
My personal theory is that CS particles and ions are nulified in the intestine 
because they become coated with goo. (i.e. Digestive fluids).
Silver needs to be physically in direct contact with a bacteria to kill it. 
That can't happen if the silver is surrounded by an 'insulating' coating.
Its similar reasoning to why 'mild silver protein' is less effective than 
electolytic CS.  Mild silver protein (like Invive) is a silver compound coated 
with a type of gelatin.

David




> 
> From: seth sato 
> Date: 11 November 2009 3:38:58 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>probiotics
> 
> 
> Does anyone know if C's destroys probiotics and if so what is the time one 
> needs between taking C's and any kind of probiotic?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Seth
> 
> 
> 


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Re: CS>probiotics

[Marshall Dudley]

That is and has been for many years the generally accepted theory among 
CS researchers.


Marshall

Alchemysa wrote:


If CS killed the 'good bacteria' the result would be pretty obvious 
and catastrophic. I certainly haven't noticed any problems in that area.
My personal theory is that CS particles and ions are nulified in the 
intestine because they become coated with goo. (i.e. Digestive fluids).
Silver needs to be physically in direct contact with a bacteria to 
kill it. That can't happen if the silver is surrounded by an 
'insulating' coating.
Its similar reasoning to why 'mild silver protein' is less effective 
than electolytic CS.  Mild silver protein (like Invive) is a silver 
compound coated with a type of gelatin.


David






From: seth sato 
Date: 11 November 2009 3:38:58 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>probiotics


Does anyone know if C's destroys probiotics and if so what is the 
time one needs between taking C's and any kind of probiotic?


Thanks

Seth






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CS>probiotics

[Alchemysa]

If CS killed the 'good bacteria' the result would be pretty obvious  
and catastrophic. I certainly haven't noticed any problems in that area.
My personal theory is that CS particles and ions are nulified in the  
intestine because they become coated with goo. (i.e. Digestive fluids).
Silver needs to be physically in direct contact with a bacteria to  
kill it. That can't happen if the silver is surrounded by an  
'insulating' coating.
Its similar reasoning to why 'mild silver protein' is less effective  
than electolytic CS.  Mild silver protein (like Invive) is a silver  
compound coated with a type of gelatin.


David






From: seth sato 
Date: 11 November 2009 3:38:58 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>probiotics


Does anyone know if C's destroys probiotics and if so what is the  
time one needs between taking C's and any kind of probiotic?


Thanks

Seth






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[RE]CS>probiotics

[Brooks Bradley]

 Dear Seth,
During the immediately past 15 years we have conducted myriad investigations, experiments and studies involving Vitamin C as the parent...or one of the principal companions.  We have never observed any untoward effects of any form of vitamin Cupon any of the probiotic constituents present in the combined spectrum of active elements 
in ANY research procedure we have prosecuted.  Others may have experienced different results.
p.s.  As a matter of possible interest, I saywe have observed a very powerful positive, reinforcing effect by Vitamin C upon MANY other components in a large number (dozens) of experimental protocols addressing both pathological insults and dietary effects. 


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Does anyone know if C's destroys probiotics and if so what is the time one needs between taking C's and any kind of probiotic?

Thanks

Seth



  


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CS>probiotics

[seth sato]

Does anyone know if C's destroys probiotics and if so what is the time one 
needs between taking C's and any kind of probiotic?

Thanks

Seth



  

Re: CS>Probiotics

[debbiegerard99]

I have taken glutamine too and it does help alot along with slippery elm which 
is very soothing to the intestinal wall...debbbe

-- Original message -- 
From: gmetrop...@aol.com 

Pat,
It sounds like your son was having a herx reaction with Natren's probiotics. My 
son did too, so I spaced it out more and gave it once every other day unitl he 
could handle more. For the bowel inflammation have him look into glutamine to 
heal and restore the gut integrity. Colostrum also comes from goat. Blessings, 
Georgia

Re: CS>Probiotics

[GMetropulo]

Pat,
It sounds like your son was having a herx reaction with Natren's probiotics. 
My son did too, so I spaced it out more and gave it once every other day unitl 
he could handle more. For the bowel inflammation have him look into glutamine 
to heal and restore the gut integrity. Colostrum also comes from goat. 
Blessings, Georgia

RE: CS>Probiotics

[Duncan Crow]

Good news for leaky gut sufferers that the inulin/FOS they use 
heals leaky gut by supporting bowel lining epithelial cell growth 
as well as stimulating a fluorish of probiotic Bifidobacteria.

I haven't looked this one up or got it on my website yet. I'll 
put it in the inulin references; other studies that show 
reduction in aberrant crypt foci (beginning bowel cancer cells) 
as probiotic populations fluorish.

Two experiments were conducted to determine if supplementing 
soluble fiber (fructooligosaccharide, xylooligosaccharide or gum 
arabic) to a semi-elemental diet would beneficially change cecal 
and colonic microbiota populations and enhance epithelial cell 
proliferation. Experiments 1 and 2 used identical dietary 
regimens; mice and rats were given free access to a powdered semi-
 elemental diet. Animals were assigned to one of the four 
following treatment groups: control, no supplemental dietary 
fiber, fructooligosaccharide, xylooligosaccharide and gum arabic. 
Dietary fiber was supplied via drinking water at 30 g/L. In 
Experiment 1 populations of Bifidobacteria and total anaerobic 
flora were enumerated from the contents of the cecum and colon of 
weanling mice. Consumption of fructooligosaccharide increased (P 
< 0.05) the concentrations of Bifidobacteria and the ratio of 
Bifidobacteria to total anaerobic flora. In Experiment 2 tissue 
from the cecum and distal colon of weanling rats was examined for 
morphological changes of the mucosa. Consumption of 
xylooligosaccharide increased (P < 0.05) cecal crypt depth and 
labeling index relative to the other three treatments. 
Consumption of gum arabic and the control diet increased (P < 
0.01) cecal proliferation zone. Consumption of 
xylooligosaccharide and the control diet increased (P < 0.01) 
cecal cell density (number of cells in a vertical-half of the 
crypt). Distal colonic crypt depth was greatest (P < 0.05) in 
controls and rats fed fructooligosaccharide, intermediate in 
those fed gum arabic, and smallest in those fed 
xylooligosaccharide.

Duncan Crow
htp://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/


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RE: CS>Probiotics

[Dan Nave]

 

Slippery Elm (inner bark, powdered)  is very soothing to the intestines
and also healing.  You can buy it at a health store that carries herbs
or order it in bulk online.  Mix approximately 1 heaping teaspoon in a
glass of water and mix it in.  It thickens like Metamucil, but is
healing, not irritating.  Can take as much as is tolerated.  I would
take 3 or 4 times a day between meals or more often if desired.  

Keep away from any allergy foods like milk and milk products since he is
allergic to it. Don't eat irritating foods with a lot of roughage, at
least for a while.  Some other foods like acidic fruits, tomatoes and
citrus may be irritating, at least initially.  Eat foods like cooked
oatmeal etc.  Take the Slippery Elm bark and let the intestines calm
down.  Wean off the Imodium.  (Look into food combining.)

There are things like Dr. Richard Schulze's "Intestinal Formula #2"
which can be taken in a similar manner to the Slippery Elm bark.  It has
that and psyllium, bentonite, pectin, activated charcoal, ground flax
seed, etc in it.  It can be made without charcoal for long term use...
I found it a bit gritty because of the charcoal.

Dan

-Original Message-
From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:30 PM
To: silver list; Georgia
Subject: CS>Probiotics

Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who has irritable
bowel.  VERY expensive, but arrived with bubble wrap, cold pack, and
totally surrounded with styrofoam.  He's only used about 5 but says he
has to quitit causes horrible foul gas.  Anyone else had that
problem?  He's trying to wean himself off Immodium, it's been like he
needs more and more now.

  Pat

-Original Message-
From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:13 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Probiotics

I hadn't heard of using cow's colostrum before, that's interesting.  But
anyway, my son is lactose intolerant.  He did fine on breast milk, but
once that was over at about 2 1/3 years, he's never been able to
tolerate milk.

 Pat



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RE: CS>Probiotics

[debbiegerard99]

I have not gotten any check or any communication from you at all. You would not 
answer any of my e-mails other than just flat out stating I OVER FERMENTED 
which I did not...reduce the time or how about sending a product that isn't 
junk!! I would of addressed them to you but you would not answer me.!!
-- Original message -- 
From: "Ed Kasper"  

The separation is into what is called "curds" and "whey" it is not spoiled just 
over fermented. Either add more milk or reduce the time.
And I stand by by offer of unconditional guarantee

and you're money has been refunded. 

You need to address these issues directly with me.


Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist & Medicinal Herbalist
417 Laurent St. Santa Cruz, CA. 95060
(831) 425-8801   toll-free 1-888-425-8827
http://HappyHerbalist.com  e...@happyherbalist.com 

-Original Message-
From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:38 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Probiotics



Excuse me I wasn't over fermenting nothing Ed  within six hours the milk 
separated. I know fully well how to boil water and know when I am getting 
shafted too by a company . I will make certain anyone who will listen will know 
you have a nasty attitude when it comes to customer support and you sure don't 
back up what you state on your web-site I also reported you to the BBB.
And I am out fifteen bucks thanks to trusting you!!!
debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: "Ed Kasper"  

Debbie, they are live ferments and the only problem was you were 
over-fermenting. they are still good and healthy. I gave you my toll free 
number and other news groups to help you get started. Once live probiotic 
ferments get established they are easy and simple. Some people can not boil 
water without burring it so there are pills and capsules. The same experience 
may apply to CS. Some people do not trust making CS themselves.  

It is still possible to get live probiotics from one of the newsgroups and the 
facts are they are better than capsules or pills. 

Ed Kasper
-Original Message-
From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:49 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Probiotics



Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work and you 
would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this company 
either,  I got ripped off!!!.debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: "Ed Kasper"  

> Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural 
> live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or 
> actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search 
> yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ... 
> works miracles for many  Kefir and tibicos can be made 
> in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut 
> milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar, 
> water and tea. 
> 
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm 
> 
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm 
> 
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm 
> 
> free Tibicos 
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction! ! =VIEW PR OD& 
> ProdID=50 
> 
> 
> live free and healthy 
> 
> Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist & Medicinal Herbalist 
> http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM 
> To: silver list; Georgia 
> Subject: CS>Probiotics 
> 
> 
> Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who 
> has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with 
> bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with 
> styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to 
> quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had 
> that problem? He's trying to wean himself off 
> Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. 
> 
> Pat 

RE: CS>Probiotics

[Ed Kasper]

The separation is into what is called "curds" and "whey" it is not spoiled
just over fermented. Either add more milk or reduce the time.
And I stand by by offer of unconditional guarantee

and you're money has been refunded.

You need to address these issues directly with me.


Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist & Medicinal Herbalist
417 Laurent St. Santa Cruz, CA. 95060
(831) 425-8801   toll-free 1-888-425-8827
http://HappyHerbalist.com  e...@happyherbalist.com

  -Original Message-
  From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:38 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: CS>Probiotics



  Excuse me I wasn't over fermenting nothing Ed  within six hours the milk
separated. I know fully well how to boil water and know when I am getting
shafted too by a company . I will make certain anyone who will listen will
know you have a nasty attitude when it comes to customer support and you
sure don't back up what you state on your web-site I also reported you to
the BBB.
  And I am out fifteen bucks thanks to trusting you!!!
  debbie
-- Original message --
From: "Ed Kasper" 

Debbie, they are live ferments and the only problem was you were
over-fermenting. they are still good and healthy. I gave you my toll free
number and other news groups to help you get started. Once live probiotic
ferments get established they are easy and simple. Some people can not boil
water without burring it so there are pills and capsules. The same
experience may apply to CS. Some people do not trust making CS themselves.

It is still possible to get live probiotics from one of the newsgroups
and the facts are they are better than capsules or pills.

Ed Kasper
  -Original Message-
  From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:49 AM
      To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: CS>Probiotics



  Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work
and you would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this
company either,  I got ripped off!!!.debbie
-- Original message --
From: "Ed Kasper" 

> Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural
> live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or
> actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search
> yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ...
> works miracles for many  Kefir and tibicos can be made
> in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut
> milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar,
> water and tea.
>
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm
>
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm
>
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm
>
> free Tibicos
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction! ! =VIEW PR OD&
> ProdID=50
>
>
> live free and healthy
>
> Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist & Medicinal Herbalist
> http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
    > From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM
> To: silver list; Georgia
> Subject: CS>Probiotics
>
>
> Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who
> has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with
> bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with
> styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to
> quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had
> that problem? He's trying to wean himself off
> Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now.
>
> Pat

RE: CS>Probiotics

[debbiegerard99]

Excuse me I wasn't over fermenting nothing Ed  within six hours the milk 
separated. I know fully well how to boil water and know when I am getting 
shafted too by a company . I will make certain anyone who will listen will know 
you have a nasty attitude when it comes to customer support and you sure don't 
back up what you state on your web-site I also reported you to the BBB.
And I am out fifteen bucks thanks to trusting you!!!
debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: "Ed Kasper"  

Debbie, they are live ferments and the only problem was you were 
over-fermenting. they are still good and healthy. I gave you my toll free 
number and other news groups to help you get started. Once live probiotic 
ferments get established they are easy and simple. Some people can not boil 
water without burring it so there are pills and capsules. The same experience 
may apply to CS. Some people do not trust making CS themselves.  

It is still possible to get live probiotics from one of the newsgroups and the 
facts are they are better than capsules or pills. 

Ed Kasper
-Original Message-
From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:49 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Probiotics



Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work and you 
would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this company 
either,  I got ripped off!!!.debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: "Ed Kasper"  

> Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural 
> live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or 
> actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search 
> yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ... 
> works miracles for many  Kefir and tibicos can be made 
> in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut 
> milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar, 
> water and tea. 
> 
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm 
> 
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm 
> 
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm 
> 
> free Tibicos 
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction! =VIEWPR OD& 
> ProdID=50 
> 
> 
> live free and healthy 
> 
> Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist & Medicinal Herbalist 
> http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM 
> To: silver list; Georgia 
> Subject: CS>Probiotics 
> 
> 
> Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who 
> has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with 
> bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with 
> styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to 
> quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had 
> that problem? He's trying to wean himself off 
> Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. 
> 
> Pat 

RE: CS>Probiotics

[Ed Kasper]

Debbie, they are live ferments and the only problem was you were
over-fermenting. they are still good and healthy. I gave you my toll free
number and other news groups to help you get started. Once live probiotic
ferments get established they are easy and simple. Some people can not boil
water without burring it so there are pills and capsules. The same
experience may apply to CS. Some people do not trust making CS themselves.

It is still possible to get live probiotics from one of the newsgroups and
the facts are they are better than capsules or pills.

Ed Kasper
  -Original Message-
  From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:49 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: CS>Probiotics



  Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work and
you would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this company
either,  I got ripped off!!!.debbie
-- Original message --
From: "Ed Kasper" 

> Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural
> live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or
> actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search
> yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ...
> works miracles for many  Kefir and tibicos can be made
> in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut
> milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar,
> water and tea.
>
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm
>
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm
>
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm
>
> free Tibicos
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction! =VIEWPR OD&
> ProdID=50
>
>
> live free and healthy
>
> Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist & Medicinal Herbalist
> http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM
> To: silver list; Georgia
> Subject: CS>Probiotics
>
>
> Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who
> has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with
> bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with
> styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to
> quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had
> that problem? He's trying to wean himself off
> Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now.
>
> Pat

Re: CS>Probiotics

[debbiegerard99]

I would encourage him to back off a little on the dosage untill his body got 
use to it a little bit sounds like the product is doing it's job killing off 
the bad yeastdid he call the company?if you want to contact me off line 
Pat I use to have IBS too and got rid of itdebbie

-- Original message -- 
From: Pat  

> Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who 
> has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with 
> bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with 
> styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to 
> quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had 
> that problem? He's trying to wean himself off 
> Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. 
> 
> Pat 
> 
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Re: CS>Probiotics

[debbiegerard99]

I wouldn't suggest soy milk but use either rice or almond milkhave you 
tried those?thanks debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: Pat  

> I hadn't heard of using cow's colostrum before, that's 
> interesting. But anyway, my son is lactose 
> intolerant. He did fine on breast milk, but once that 
> was over at about 2 1/3 years, he's never been able to 
> tolerate milk. 
> 
> Pat 
> 
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RE: CS>Probiotics

[debbiegerard99]

Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work and you 
would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this company 
either,  I got ripped off!!!.debbie
-- Original message -- 
From: "Ed Kasper"  

> Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural 
> live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or 
> actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search 
> yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ... 
> works miracles for many  Kefir and tibicos can be made 
> in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut 
> milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar, 
> water and tea. 
> 
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm 
> 
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm 
> 
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm 
> 
> free Tibicos 
> http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&; 
> ProdID=50 
> 
> 
> live free and healthy 
> 
> Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist & Medicinal Herbalist 
> http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM 
> To: silver list; Georgia 
> Subject: CS>Probiotics 
> 
> 
> Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who 
> has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with 
> bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with 
> styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to 
> quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had 
> that problem? He's trying to wean himself off 
> Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. 
> 
> Pat 
> 
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Re: CS>Probiotics

[Mark S. Siepak]

Check to see if it is milk-based. Ingredients that are related to dairy
would be whey, casein, milk solids, etc. I have a terrible time with even
milk in coffeeI would try acidophilous, kefir, real organic yogurt.
Kaopectate may be better or at least a good change from Immodium, too.

We use a Canadian-made Lacteeze enzyme added to milk to eliminate the
lactose - it even makes the milk last longer!  Gelda Scientific produces the
Lacteeze drops.  They do have an 800 toll free #, and it is:
1-866-673-9320, or try http://www.gelda.com
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Re: CS>Probiotics

[PanAmPete]

Pat,
Here is something you need to read, as well as 
other posters.  I've been taking colostrum for
several years and give it to my wife and kids
when needed.  PeteP.S. this  lady went through Hell!
 
_Click here: Colostrum -  SYMBIOTICS: Exclusive Suppliers of New Life 
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RE: CS>Probiotics

[Ed Kasper]

Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural
live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or
actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search
yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ...
works miracles for many  Kefir and tibicos can be made
in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut
milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar,
water and tea.

http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm

http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm

http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm

free Tibicos
http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&;
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-Original Message-
From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM
To: silver list; Georgia
Subject: CS>Probiotics


Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who
has irritable bowel.  VERY expensive, but arrived with
bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with
styrofoam.  He's only used about 5 but says he has to
quitit causes horrible foul gas.  Anyone else had
that problem?  He's trying to wean himself off
Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now.

  Pat


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Re: CS>Probiotics

[Pat]

I hadn't heard of using cow's colostrum before, that's
interesting.  But anyway, my son is lactose
intolerant.  He did fine on breast milk, but once that
was over at about 2 1/3 years, he's never been able to
tolerate milk.

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Re: CS>Probiotics

[PanAmPete]

 
Pat, have you tried "acidophilus"?  I would think that the
continuous use of "Immodium" on a daily basis would not 
be healthy. Also the "colostrum" that someone suggested
should show an improvement. Pete
 
In a message dated 6/19/2006 4:51:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
pauljfis...@cox.net writes:

Got some  Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who
has irritable bowel.   VERY expensive, but arrived with
bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally  surrounded with
styrofoam.  He's only used about 5 but says he has  to
quitit causes horrible foul gas.  Anyone else had
that  problem?  He's trying to wean himself off
Immodium, it's been like he  needs more and more now.

Pat

Re: CS>Probiotics

[Paul Fisher]

Hi Pat,

He need Colostrum.

Paul
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From: "Pat" 
To: "silver list" ; "Georgia" 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:29 PM
Subject: CS>Probiotics


Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who
has irritable bowel.  VERY expensive, but arrived with
bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with
styrofoam.  He's only used about 5 but says he has to
quitit causes horrible foul gas.  Anyone else had
that problem?  He's trying to wean himself off
Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now.

  Pat

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CS>Probiotics

[Pat]

Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who
has irritable bowel.  VERY expensive, but arrived with
bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with
styrofoam.  He's only used about 5 but says he has to
quitit causes horrible foul gas.  Anyone else had
that problem?  He's trying to wean himself off
Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now.

  Pat

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RE: CS>Probiotics

[Ed Kasper]

Consider kefir (fermented milk similar to yogurt) and kombucha (fermented
sugar and tea similar to apple-cider) both easy and fun to make at home for
just pennies. Not as cheap as CS but well worth it. I sell the stuff and you
can see information about them on my website - but ask around your local HFS
or yahoo groups and simply ask for some and your chances are good at getting
some for free - maybe postage, best to find one local.
If your confused email me off-list as this is off topic.

Dom's Kefir in-site for information:
http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

Looking for kefir grains?... or have kefir grains to share?

http://66.46.11.99/clarkson/Show/Clarkson/kefir/default.asp

http://www.rejoiceinlife.com/kefir/kefirlist.php

Original_Kombucha Home:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/original_kombucha/

Brewing Kombucha Pictures online
http://www.happyherbalist.com/pictures.htm

Enjoy Your Health,

Ed Kasper L.Ac.
California Licensed Acupuncturist & Herbalist
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-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:19 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Probiotics


Louise wrote:

> You need to take probiotics when you are not eating meat.
>
> For dog a fermented salad is great way of doing this.
>
> The fermented pulped salad is made (mostly with leafy greens) adding
> probiotics (human grade and non dairy) to establish the good bacteria in
the
> intestines. The human grade digestive enzymes are also added (need one
with
> cellulase and amylase at least) are added to the pulped salad and keep the
> mix at BODY temperature for at least 15 minutes before feeding, wait at
> least 2 hours after this salad mix before feeding meaty bones for the best
> results.
>
> This salad helps diarrhea problems as well as constipation, boost the
immune
> system and gives extra b vitamins to boot :o  It helps to repair the
> intestines by establishing good bacteria that prefers raw food and leafy
> greens.
>
> You first pulp the veggies (chop up some romaine lettuce so it is easier
to
> process, some freeze it first to smash into very tiny pieced in the bag
> after it is frozen) some add a little water for processing) it should look
> like baby food when done.  For sick animals make it mostly leafy greens
and
> low starchy veggies.  You can freeze this mush and then continue the rest
of
> the procedure when you need some more fermented veggies.
>
> With the thawed mixture or the freshly made one you add some probiotics
> human grade (non dairy type) always sold in the fridge of pharmacy or
health
> food store.  add one capsule or digestive enzymes (like UDO's digestive
> blend human type, though if you read the labels you will find similar
types
> for less money) but they should have the basics of Cellulase and Amylase.
> (for dogs and cats about 10 pounds or less use 1/4 capsule of each)

Do you eat this immediately, or do you wait a while for it to ferment?

Marshall




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Re: CS>Probiotics

[Duncan Crow]

Hi Marshall,

This is not exactly what you wanted to know but useful nonetheless. 
It doesn't make sense to use probiotics anyway; if you do the math 
you find that all a capsule contains is enough probiotic to populate 
a couple of CCs or so of stool.

On the other hand, feeding your existing starter culture a prebiotic 
and allowing it to proliferate naturally can be accomplished at a 
fraction of the cost and it's more effective too.

It's a more effective approach because probiotics of course have to 
be working to produce bacterocins, anti-cancer enzymes, B vitamins, 
short chain fatty acids and of course the low pH that helps to 
control the unwanted bacteria and yeasts. They must also be working 
to proliferate and physically outcompete pathogens both in the stool 
and on the crucial position of the bowel lining. 

By the way, bifidobacteria is the real workhorse in the bowel, both 
in effect and in numbers; they are particularly easily cultured with 
inulin, a natural polymer that occurs in all plants.

The science is on my website.

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Re: CS>Probiotics

[Marshall Dudley]

Louise wrote:

> You need to take probiotics when you are not eating meat.
>
> For dog a fermented salad is great way of doing this.
>
> The fermented pulped salad is made (mostly with leafy greens) adding
> probiotics (human grade and non dairy) to establish the good bacteria in the
> intestines. The human grade digestive enzymes are also added (need one with
> cellulase and amylase at least) are added to the pulped salad and keep the
> mix at BODY temperature for at least 15 minutes before feeding, wait at
> least 2 hours after this salad mix before feeding meaty bones for the best
> results.
>
> This salad helps diarrhea problems as well as constipation, boost the immune
> system and gives extra b vitamins to boot :o  It helps to repair the
> intestines by establishing good bacteria that prefers raw food and leafy
> greens.
>
> You first pulp the veggies (chop up some romaine lettuce so it is easier to
> process, some freeze it first to smash into very tiny pieced in the bag
> after it is frozen) some add a little water for processing) it should look
> like baby food when done.  For sick animals make it mostly leafy greens and
> low starchy veggies.  You can freeze this mush and then continue the rest of
> the procedure when you need some more fermented veggies.
>
> With the thawed mixture or the freshly made one you add some probiotics
> human grade (non dairy type) always sold in the fridge of pharmacy or health
> food store.  add one capsule or digestive enzymes (like UDO's digestive
> blend human type, though if you read the labels you will find similar types
> for less money) but they should have the basics of Cellulase and Amylase.
> (for dogs and cats about 10 pounds or less use 1/4 capsule of each)

Do you eat this immediately, or do you wait a while for it to ferment?

Marshall



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RE: CS>Probiotics

[Louise]

You need to take probiotics when you are not eating meat.

For dog a fermented salad is great way of doing this.

The fermented pulped salad is made (mostly with leafy greens) adding
probiotics (human grade and non dairy) to establish the good bacteria in the
intestines. The human grade digestive enzymes are also added (need one with
cellulase and amylase at least) are added to the pulped salad and keep the
mix at BODY temperature for at least 15 minutes before feeding, wait at
least 2 hours after this salad mix before feeding meaty bones for the best
results.

This salad helps diarrhea problems as well as constipation, boost the immune
system and gives extra b vitamins to boot :o  It helps to repair the
intestines by establishing good bacteria that prefers raw food and leafy
greens.

You first pulp the veggies (chop up some romaine lettuce so it is easier to
process, some freeze it first to smash into very tiny pieced in the bag
after it is frozen) some add a little water for processing) it should look
like baby food when done.  For sick animals make it mostly leafy greens and
low starchy veggies.  You can freeze this mush and then continue the rest of
the procedure when you need some more fermented veggies.

With the thawed mixture or the freshly made one you add some probiotics
human grade (non dairy type) always sold in the fridge of pharmacy or health
food store.  add one capsule or digestive enzymes (like UDO's digestive
blend human type, though if you read the labels you will find similar types
for less money) but they should have the basics of Cellulase and Amylase.
(for dogs and cats about 10 pounds or less use 1/4 capsule of each)

Best with a sick dog to add to his food as well and so they should also have
Lipase and Protease.  I share my digestive enzymes with my dog so I make
sure that is also has Lactase as I have problems with milk digestion (but if
the mix you get does not have this it is still good for the dog)

I do not like the dog types because they often add stuff and some use the
poorest quality and the probiotics often are not alive.  Some are a joke and
if you read the label are often are just prebiotics and sold on a shelf so
no live ones left (The ones I have seen are a waste of money IMO or not as
beneficial as getting the human grade varieties)

Some use this salad instead of a fast day when feeding a raw meaty bone
diet.

Louise

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Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:53 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Probiotics


I just noticed that the acidopholas pills I have are gelatin.  Gelatin
dissolves in the stomach, where I would expect the culture to get killed.
It seems to me that any probiotics should use a hard shell coating that does
not break down in the stomach so the live culture can make it to the
intestines.

Are all probiotics using gelatin capsules?  This somehow does not make sense
to me.

Marshall



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RE: CS>Probiotics

[Yogiboy]

Hi Marshal,

I haven't used them in pill form although from the ones I have
encountered in health stores they all seem to be in a gelatin capsule. I
do use liquid form acidophilus 50 billion live organisms. This is much
more potent then capsule form or any yogurt one might buy. Product I use
is Bio-k plus.
It is very reputable and I have noticed a difference using it.

Ernie  

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Subject: CS>Probiotics

I just noticed that the acidopholas pills I have are gelatin.  Gelatin
dissolves in the stomach, where I would expect the culture to get
killed.  It seems to me that any probiotics should use a hard shell
coating that does not break down in the stomach so the live culture can
make it to the intestines.

Are all probiotics using gelatin capsules?  This somehow does not make
sense to me.

Marshall



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CS>Probiotics

[Marshall Dudley]

I just noticed that the acidopholas pills I have are gelatin.  Gelatin 
dissolves in the stomach, where I would expect the culture to get killed.  It 
seems to me that any probiotics should use a hard shell coating that does not 
break down in the stomach so the live culture can make it to the intestines.

Are all probiotics using gelatin capsules?  This somehow does not make sense to 
me.

Marshall



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CS>probiotics

[CKing001]

Hee,hee,
A new source of probiotics.
And, for those that think urine therapy is beyond the pale...

Chuck
The only thing wrong with a beautiful drive to work is that you
 still end up at work. 

Gut Feelings Cry Out For Waste 

Its advocates acknowledge that it is "distasteful", but they say the results
justify its use as a last resort therapy. 

Take a deep breath ... it's fecal transfusion. 

That is, the introduction of stools from a healthy person into the bowel of
someone with anything from diarrhoea to flatulence. 

It is happening in Sydney, and far from being a fringe-dwelling alternative
practice, it is attracting the cautious approval of the mainstream medical
community. A paper on the subject is published this week in a leading US
gastroenterology journal.

The theory is that the complex "zoo" of bacteria that inhabit the gut can be
permanently disrupted, probably by the use of antibiotics, with some subspecies
being killed off.

This can lead to the multiplication of harmful bacteria which release toxins
that cause a multitude of bowel problems.

"We've been using this in patients with constipation and colitis, which says to
us both are linked to an infection," said the director of the Centre for
Digestive Diseases at Five Dock in Sydney, Dr Tom Borody. 

"Stool flora is exceedingly complex," Dr Borody said.

"In terms of subspecies of bacteria it's a zoo - about 24,000. People think it's
waste, but it's not. It's a major defence system."

Where people had longterm, otherwise incurable bowel conditions, they were
generally happy to accept a stool donation, usually from a spouse or close
family member, said Dr Borody. 

"The procedure requires fresh stool, homogenised in a blender in an anaerobic
environment, covered so that it doesn't die." 

The recipient has an enema in order to be able to receive the fresh stool, which
is introduced via a colonoscope. 

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CS>Probiotics

[Thelma Seto]

Al--

Yoghurt is the best probiotic around.  Check on the list of ingredients.  If 
it says there's gelatin in it, don't buy it.  It's fake.  Several 
natural foods companies include a full range of bacteria in their yoghurt 
but I think standard plain yoghurt will do.  I personally prefer the Middle 
Eastern companies' brands.  The health food types, like Nancy's, have weird 
stuff added--like honey, etc.  And have all this fat on top?  Yoghurt 
shouldn't have half in inch of fat floating on top.  Continental or even 
Dannon's is fine.


Kefir, as someone else mentioned, contains the same or similar bacteria and 
is pretty concentrated.


If you're near a Middle Eastern market, you might see if they carry lebni 
balls.  These are little ping pong ball-sized balls of yoghurt cheese--i.e. 
yoghurt that's strained, the water has been squeezed out so it's more 
concentrated.  And packed in extra virgin olive oil.  Eat them on Arabic 
bread...yum...  I wouldn't buy "probiotics".  Whatever for?


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