Re: CS>zapper address

2018-07-08 Thread MaryAnn Helland
:-D 

On Sunday, July 8, 2018 4:26 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:
 

 I have stardust in me...

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Ron  wrote:

  Yeah but yours don't have 'stardust' in 'em.
 Ron ;-)
 
 On 7/7/2018 8:24 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
  
 I made several using Hulda Clark's original concept, a 9 volt square wave 
oscillator operating at about 30KHz.  You can look up a simple schematic design 
using a 555 timer and a few resistors and capacitors.  I used hand held 
electrodes, basically pieces of copper tubing.  I have had good results with 
this for several conditions, including prostatitis, vaginitis, shingles,  and 
mononucleosis ("mono"). 
 On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM, Harsha Godavari  wrote:
 
  Thanks for the information. Here is a URL for Wesley's book:
  <https://ia800209.us.archive.o rg/0/items/desideratumorel00we 
slgoog/desideratumorel00weslgo og.pdf>
  
  BTW I have one of the earlier zappers but did not find it very effective. The 
current price of the terminator-2  is close $200.00 in Canuck money and that's 
a bit pricey for joe_sixpack :-)

  - Original Message -
 From: Shirley Reed 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 22:02:49 -0600 (MDT)
 Subject: CS>zapper address
  
   The website is http://www.worldwithoutpara sites.com  and the one I prefer 
is the Terminator 2.   Mr. Croft charges  134.00 dollars for that model, but he 
tells where to get his simplest version for 35 or so dollars.  Everyone can get 
a free copy of a  very short book published in 1749 by John Wesley, founder of 
the Methodist religion, telling things he saw with his own eyes regarding the 
use of primitive equipment.  The first 30 or so pages tell about their 
equipment.  If I could understand it I would try to use it, but I could study 
it for a month and still might not understand it.  Around  page 40 he starts 
telling the experiences.  He gives dates, places,name of patient, exactly what 
was wrong, what the treatment was, and gives the outcome.  He founded 2 to 4 
free clinics for the poor in London depending on th source of the info.  The 
name of the book is  Desideratum.  It means "necessary thing" in Latin.  It's 
in the public domain so you can get a free copy here and there. Or at 
abebooks.com  you can get a facsimile.  for about 8 dollars.  It's in 
Shakespear's english so be prepared.  As for the names of the illnesses, just 
ask for the definition and it will take you to an archaic medical dictionary 
and give the modern day equivaltent.   Only Jesus did better, imho. 
   
 
  
  
 
 



   

Re: CS>zapper address

2018-07-08 Thread Dan Nave
I have stardust in me...


On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 7:25 AM, Ron  wrote:

> Yeah but yours don't have 'stardust' in 'em.
> Ron ;-)
>
>
> On 7/7/2018 8:24 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
>
> I made several using Hulda Clark's original concept, a 9 volt square wave
> oscillator operating at about 30KHz.  You can look up a simple schematic
> design using a 555 timer and a few resistors and capacitors.  I used hand
> held electrodes, basically pieces of copper tubing.  I have had good
> results with this for several conditions, including prostatitis, vaginitis,
> shingles,  and mononucleosis ("mono").
>
> On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM, Harsha Godavari 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the information. Here is a URL for Wesley's book:
>> <https://ia800209.us.archive.org/0/items/desideratumorel00we
>> slgoog/desideratumorel00weslgoog.pdf>
>>
>> BTW I have one of the earlier zappers but did not find it very effective.
>> The current price of the terminator-2  is close $200.00 in Canuck money and
>> that's a bit pricey for joe_sixpack :-)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Shirley Reed 
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Sent: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 22:02:49 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: CS>zapper address
>>
>> The website is http://www.worldwithoutparasites.com  and the one I
>> prefer is the Terminator 2.   Mr. Croft charges  134.00 dollars for that
>> model, but he tells where to get his simplest version for 35 or so
>> dollars.  Everyone can get a free copy of a  very short book published in
>> 1749 by John Wesley, founder of the Methodist religion, telling things he
>> saw with his own eyes regarding the use of primitive equipment.  The first
>> 30 or so pages tell about their equipment.  If I could understand it I
>> would try to use it, but I could study it for a month and still might not
>> understand it.  Around  page 40 he starts telling the experiences.  He
>> gives dates, places,name of patient, exactly what was wrong, what the
>> treatment was, and gives the outcome.  He founded 2 to 4 free clinics for
>> the poor in London depending on th source of the info.  The name of the
>> book is  Desideratum.  It means "necessary thing" in Latin.  It's in the
>> public domain so you can get a free copy here and there. Or at
>> abebooks.com  you can get a facsimile.  for about 8 dollars.  It's in
>> Shakespear's english so be prepared.  As for the names of the illnesses,
>> just ask for the definition and it will take you to an archaic medical
>> dictionary and give the modern day equivaltent.   Only Jesus did better,
>> imho.
>>
>>
>>
>
>


Re: CS>zapper address

2018-07-08 Thread Ron

Yeah but yours don't have 'stardust' in 'em.
Ron ;-)

On 7/7/2018 8:24 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
I made several using Hulda Clark's original concept, a 9 volt square 
wave oscillator operating at about 30KHz.  You can look up a simple 
schematic design using a 555 timer and a few resistors and 
capacitors.  I used hand held electrodes, basically pieces of copper 
tubing.  I have had good results with this for several conditions, 
including prostatitis, vaginitis, shingles,  and mononucleosis ("mono").


On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM, Harsha Godavari <mailto:h.godav...@shaw.ca>> wrote:


Thanks for the information. Here is a URL for Wesley's book:

<https://ia800209.us.archive.org/0/items/desideratumorel00weslgoog/desideratumorel00weslgoog.pdf

<https://ia800209.us.archive.org/0/items/desideratumorel00weslgoog/desideratumorel00weslgoog.pdf>>

BTW I have one of the earlier zappers but did not find it very
effective. The current price of the terminator-2  is close $200.00
in Canuck money and that's a bit pricey for joe_sixpack :-)

- Original Message -
From: Shirley Reed mailto:directcurren...@yahoo.com>>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 22:02:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: CS>zapper address

The website is http://www.worldwithoutparasites.com
<http://www.worldwithoutparasites.com> and the one I prefer is the
Terminator 2.   Mr. Croft charges  134.00 dollars for that model,
but he tells where to get his simplest version for 35 or so
dollars.  Everyone can get a free copy of a very short book
published in 1749 by John Wesley, founder of the Methodist
religion, telling things he saw with his own eyes regarding the
use of primitive equipment.  The first 30 or so pages tell about
their equipment.  If I could understand it I would try to use it,
but I could study it for a month and still might not understand
it. Around  page 40 he starts telling the experiences.  He gives
dates, places,name of patient, exactly what was wrong, what the
treatment was, and gives the outcome.  He founded 2 to 4 free
clinics for the poor in London depending on th source of the
info.  The name of the book is  Desideratum.  It means "necessary
thing" in Latin.  It's in the public domain so you can get a free
copy here and there. Or at abebooks.com <http://abebooks.com>  you
can get a facsimile.  for about 8 dollars.  It's in Shakespear's
english so be prepared.  As for the names of the illnesses, just
ask for the definition and it will take you to an archaic medical
dictionary and give the modern day equivaltent.   Only Jesus did
better, imho.







Re: CS>zapper address

2018-07-07 Thread Dan Nave
I made several using Hulda Clark's original concept, a 9 volt square wave
oscillator operating at about 30KHz.  You can look up a simple schematic
design using a 555 timer and a few resistors and capacitors.  I used hand
held electrodes, basically pieces of copper tubing.  I have had good
results with this for several conditions, including prostatitis, vaginitis,
shingles,  and mononucleosis ("mono").

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 8:35 AM, Harsha Godavari  wrote:

> Thanks for the information. Here is a URL for Wesley's book:
> <https://ia800209.us.archive.org/0/items/desideratumorel00weslgoog/
> desideratumorel00weslgoog.pdf>
>
> BTW I have one of the earlier zappers but did not find it very effective.
> The current price of the terminator-2  is close $200.00 in Canuck money and
> that's a bit pricey for joe_sixpack :-)
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Shirley Reed 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 22:02:49 -0600 (MDT)
> Subject: CS>zapper address
>
> The website is http://www.worldwithoutparasites.com  and the one I prefer
> is the Terminator 2.   Mr. Croft charges  134.00 dollars for that model,
> but he tells where to get his simplest version for 35 or so dollars.
> Everyone can get a free copy of a  very short book published in 1749 by
> John Wesley, founder of the Methodist religion, telling things he saw with
> his own eyes regarding the use of primitive equipment.  The first 30 or so
> pages tell about their equipment.  If I could understand it I would try to
> use it, but I could study it for a month and still might not understand
> it.  Around  page 40 he starts telling the experiences.  He gives dates,
> places,name of patient, exactly what was wrong, what the treatment was, and
> gives the outcome.  He founded 2 to 4 free clinics for the poor in London
> depending on th source of the info.  The name of the book is  Desideratum.
> It means "necessary thing" in Latin.  It's in the public domain so you can
> get a free copy here and there. Or at abebooks.com  you can get a
> facsimile.  for about 8 dollars.  It's in Shakespear's english so be
> prepared.  As for the names of the illnesses, just ask for the definition
> and it will take you to an archaic medical dictionary and give the modern
> day equivaltent.   Only Jesus did better, imho.
>
>
>


Re: CS>zapper address

2018-07-07 Thread Harsha Godavari
Thanks for the information. Here is a URL for Wesley's book:
<https://ia800209.us.archive.org/0/items/desideratumorel00weslgoog/desideratumorel00weslgoog.pdf>BTW
 I have one of the earlier zappers but did not find it very effective. The 
current price of the terminator-2  is close $200.00 in Canuck money and that's 
a bit pricey for joe_sixpack :-)
- Original Message -
From: Shirley Reed 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Fri, 06 Jul 2018 22:02:49 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: CS>zapper address

The website is http://www.worldwithoutparasites.com  and the one I prefer is 
the Terminator 2.   Mr. Croft charges  134.00 dollars for that model, but he 
tells where to get his simplest version for 35 or so dollars.  Everyone can get 
a free copy of a  very short book published in 1749 by John Wesley, founder of 
the Methodist religion, telling things he saw with his own eyes regarding the 
use of primitive equipment.  The first 30 or so pages tell about their 
equipment.  If I could understand it I would try to use it, but I could study 
it for a month and still might not understand it.  Around  page 40 he starts 
telling the experiences.  He gives dates, places,name of patient, exactly what 
was wrong, what the treatment was, and gives the outcome.  He founded 2 to 4 
free clinics for the poor in London depending on th source of the info.  The 
name of the book is  Desideratum.  It means "necessary thing" in Latin.  It's 
in the public domain so you can get a free copy here and there. Or at 
abebooks.com  you can get a facsimile.  for about 8 dollars.  It's in 
Shakespear's english so be prepared.  As for the names of the illnesses, just 
ask for the definition and it will take you to an archaic medical dictionary 
and give the modern day equivaltent.   Only Jesus did better, imho.



CS>zapper address

2018-07-06 Thread Shirley Reed
The website is http://www.worldwithoutparasites.com  and the one I prefer is 
the Terminator 2.   Mr. Croft charges  134.00 dollars for that model, but he 
tells where to get his simplest version for 35 or so dollars.  Everyone can get 
a free copy of a  very short book published in 1749 by John Wesley, founder of 
the Methodist religion, telling things he saw with his own eyes regarding the 
use of primitive equipment.  The first 30 or so pages tell about their 
equipment.  If I could understand it I would try to use it, but I could study 
it for a month and still might not understand it.  Around  page 40 he starts 
telling the experiences.  He gives dates, places,name of patient, exactly what 
was wrong, what the treatment was, and gives the outcome.  He founded 2 to 4 
free clinics for the poor in London depending on th source of the info.  The 
name of the book is  Desideratum.  It means "necessary thing" in Latin.  It's 
in the public domain so you can get a free copy here and there. Or at 
abebooks.com  you can get a facsimile.  for about 8 dollars.  It's in 
Shakespear's english so be prepared.  As for the names of the illnesses, just 
ask for the definition and it will take you to an archaic medical dictionary 
and give the modern day equivaltent.   Only Jesus did better, imho.

Re: CS>zapper application

2018-07-06 Thread MaryAnn Helland
Shirley -- what issue are you addressing by applying the zapper this way?  
Thanks.MA 

On Friday, July 6, 2018 8:56 AM, david moskovits  
wrote:
 

  #yiv7535008373 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}HiHow long do you leave it 
on? thanks From: Shirley Reed 
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 7:21 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>zapper application  I cut off the top 5 or 6 inches of a black 
sport sock and put my leg through it up to about my knee.  Then just put the 
zapper inside, turn it on and  let 'er rip.

   

Re: CS>zapper application

2018-07-06 Thread david moskovits
Hi
How long do you leave it on? thanks

From: Shirley Reed 
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2018 7:21 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>zapper application

I cut off the top 5 or 6 inches of a black sport sock and put my leg through it 
up to about my knee.  Then just put the zapper inside, turn it on and  let 'er 
rip.


CS>zapper application

2018-07-05 Thread Shirley Reed
I cut off the top 5 or 6 inches of a black sport sock and put my leg through it 
up to about my knee.  Then just put the zapper inside, turn it on and  let 'er 
rip.

CS>Zapper use

2016-12-14 Thread Shirley Reed
For over 16 years, a Don Croft zapper has reduced the symptoms of 
osteoarthritis to nearly imperceptible levels and kept them there.  The 
Heberden's Nodes went from bright red, hot as you know what, very painful and 
steadily spreading to not even noticeable.  Also no deformity of the hands, 
fingers or anything else.  No pain anymore either.  But if I don't use it for a 
few days the symptoms begin to return so it is not a cure but I am fine with 
what it does.  If you do not move your zapper whenever you feel any kind of 
sensation-itch, bite, hot or even an awareness of something you know not what-  
then be assured that you will get burns.  Don't say you were not warned.  No on 
will move it for you.  You and you alone must bear this terrible inconvenience. 
 Batteries are two for a dollar at the dollar store.  I have only found one to 
be flawed and I have used them for years.  My son's acne was gone in less than 
3 days of use.  My extreme fatigue took 2 or 3 weeks to be hardly noticeable.  
My neighbor has osteoarthritis.  I told her about the zapper at least 3 times.  
She chose either 2 or 3 surgeries and now has paddles for hands and still hurts 
all the time anyway.  I will have no more to say about zappers after this.   
Maybe anyway. :) pj

Re: CS>zapper burns

2014-02-09 Thread 123 456
Hi Guys...
I've found that the zapper only burns me if I'm very acidic.
As long  as Im  careful of my diet...no beef please...then I don't
expeience any burning no matterwhich one I use.
T

On 2/9/14, M.G. Devour  wrote:
> Terry wrote:
>> Which Croft zapper are you using?
>
> His standard or base model. Not the T-Rex.
>
> Be well,
>
> Mike D.
>
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Re: CS>zapper burns

2014-02-09 Thread M.G. Devour
Terry wrote:
> Which Croft zapper are you using?

His standard or base model. Not the T-Rex.

Be well,

Mike D.








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Re: CS>zapper burns

2014-02-09 Thread slickpicker
Hi Mike:

Which Croft zapper are you using?

Thanks,
Terry

 "M.G. Devour"  wrote: 

=
ASL wrote:
> May I ask all the zapper users to tell me how exactly this works and
> what does it heal specifically? 
> Why I keep seeing "hoax"  when I look up Hulda's zappers online?
> How soon do you see positive results?

The end of December I posted my recent experience with the zapper.

Over the last several years I've monitored my urine and/or saliva pH
pretty often. In that time, unless I'd been taking alkaline salts of one
sort or another I had NEVER had readings as high as 7.0 and they were
normally around 5-ish. I was very acid.

Within two days of starting to use a zapper from Don Croft my saliva pH
readings jumped to 6.5 and have stayed there or above consistently
since. Urine pH began to show spikes to as high as 7.0-7.5 while still
showing readings at the low end, depending on what I'd been eating and
how recently. 

Now, unlike ever before, a couple small doses of various salts is enough
to keep my pH readings consistently in the range of 6.5-7.5 with only
the rarest of excursions below those levels.

It's anybody's guess how this works. The idea that it's eliminating the
pathogen load is as good as any. It also might be having some systemic
effect on the chemistry of the lymph and blood -- it has to inject some
energy into the system which ought to change the chemistry. Don says
he's seen a similar response fairly often.

The other thing it has done is normalized my blood pressure, which had
been moderately elevated for over a decade. Within 2 weeks of starting
the zapper, I got a blood pressure reading of 130-ish over 70. That was
a 10-15 point drop in diastolic and 10-40 point drop in systolic. It has
been consistent since, with the lover number ranging from 68 to about 74
and the upper number from 125 to 135 or so.

Again, I have no clue how it's done this. I refuse to take prescription
blood pressure medicine, and nothing else I've tried ever managed to
budge the numbers at all.

It's another effect Don has heard about from his customers pretty often.

I'm willing to draw a causal link between the zapper and these changes
because I started using it during a long break from almost all of my
other protocols. It was the only thing I was doing differently for
several weeks before or after.

That's my story.

Be well,

Mike D.




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Re: CS>zapper burns

2014-02-09 Thread PT Ferrance
I have this zapper also and had forgotten about it.  I hook it up to 2x4" 
electrodes and it really helps a lot.  I get no burns from this one and no 
biting... although a little itching under the pads and 4Hz will cause heart 
flutters so I just stay with the two higher frequencies.  I have recommended it 
often.
PT





 From: Nancy Winiecki 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com"  
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2014 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: CS>zapper burns
 


I use a zapper called  
Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapperit has very nice straps that go 
around the wrists, and I also got copper pipe electrodes for it but haven't 
used them much.    I don't have any illnesses to speak of to make claims for 
healing, but that may be a testimony in itself.   Last time I "caught" a cold 
from the grandkids, I never stopped up or had a runny nose but did get a slight 
cough after several days, and did need to use a little CS in my nose to open my 
sinuses at that point, which it did quickly, but I used to get terrible sinus 
infections with colds, and that did not happen.

 What I do use it for is my insomnia, frequently by putting on the electrodes 
when I am not able to sleep: it will help, though not always.   What I like is 
that I don't have to wet the electrodes and they don't tingle or burn.   I also 
have a Sota Silver Pulser which did cause redness and irritation, even burning 
sensations, and needed water.   I have to say I stopped using it when I got the 
Z4eX from ebay.  

Has anyone else tried this zapper?

Re: CS>zapper burns

2014-02-09 Thread M.G. Devour
ASL wrote:
> May I ask all the zapper users to tell me how exactly this works and
> what does it heal specifically? 
> Why I keep seeing "hoax"  when I look up Hulda's zappers online?
> How soon do you see positive results?

The end of December I posted my recent experience with the zapper.

Over the last several years I've monitored my urine and/or saliva pH
pretty often. In that time, unless I'd been taking alkaline salts of one
sort or another I had NEVER had readings as high as 7.0 and they were
normally around 5-ish. I was very acid.

Within two days of starting to use a zapper from Don Croft my saliva pH
readings jumped to 6.5 and have stayed there or above consistently
since. Urine pH began to show spikes to as high as 7.0-7.5 while still
showing readings at the low end, depending on what I'd been eating and
how recently. 

Now, unlike ever before, a couple small doses of various salts is enough
to keep my pH readings consistently in the range of 6.5-7.5 with only
the rarest of excursions below those levels.

It's anybody's guess how this works. The idea that it's eliminating the
pathogen load is as good as any. It also might be having some systemic
effect on the chemistry of the lymph and blood -- it has to inject some
energy into the system which ought to change the chemistry. Don says
he's seen a similar response fairly often.

The other thing it has done is normalized my blood pressure, which had
been moderately elevated for over a decade. Within 2 weeks of starting
the zapper, I got a blood pressure reading of 130-ish over 70. That was
a 10-15 point drop in diastolic and 10-40 point drop in systolic. It has
been consistent since, with the lover number ranging from 68 to about 74
and the upper number from 125 to 135 or so.

Again, I have no clue how it's done this. I refuse to take prescription
blood pressure medicine, and nothing else I've tried ever managed to
budge the numbers at all.

It's another effect Don has heard about from his customers pretty often.

I'm willing to draw a causal link between the zapper and these changes
because I started using it during a long break from almost all of my
other protocols. It was the only thing I was doing differently for
several weeks before or after.

That's my story.

Be well,

Mike D.




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Re: CS>zapper burns

2014-02-08 Thread Steve Levine
This will explain how zappers work and what issues they can help with:

"About Bacteria, Fungi, Molds, Parasites, Viruses and Zappers

This discussion is about how a zapper is capable of killing pathogens without 
harming human tissue. 

Pathogens
Pathogens are bacteria, fungi, parasites and viruses that attack the body, or 
cause harm when they use people as hosts. Most microscopic organisms are either 
indifferent to human health or beneficial, such as some important bacteria 
required in our intestinal tract for digestion of some proteins and plant 
material. 

At a very basic level a virus is protein projectile that injects its DNA into a 
cell and takes over its host's life processes, replicates itself with protein 
casing many-fold, ruptures the cell membrane, and ejects new viruses ready to 
repeat the cycle within the same body or infect another. 

Bacteria, amoeboids, plasmodia and primitive worms are more complex than 
viruses and have more complicated life cycles and strategies to survive in 
environments where they are not welcome. And some of these strategies equip 
pathogens to ward of the body's defenses, herbal preparations and fight and 
adapt to pharmaceutical drugs—a very recent development in the history of life. 

Biochemistry

Micro-organisms must feed, reproduce, respond to stimuli, respire, grow, obtain 
nutrition, eliminate wastes and in some instances move. All these processes are 
essentially similar in organisms regardless of their size or complexity. 

Whatever a particular life process is, respiration, digestion or responding to 
the environment, it relies in the close relationship of chemistry and 
electricity. All biological process have a chemical component and all 
biochemical reactions are essentially electrical in nature. Molecules are 
clumps of electrically bonded atoms with specific structures which have 
specific functions. Their ability to react within the biology of an organism 
depends upon sites on them with positive or negative charges which are 
available for connecting with other molecules with opposite charges. 

Biological functions and all biological structures rely on electrical bonding 
to keep everything in place. It doesn't matter what the chemicals are, what the 
process is or what structure is involved, they all come down in the end to 
chemical bonding which is electrical.

Electrical fields

A feature of this characteristic of life is that as a result of it's life 
processes and it's chemistry, every organism has an electric field which has a 
signature frequency. This electromagnetic field increases in frequency with the 
complexity of the organism. Individual organisms may vary within a narrow band 
of frequencies specific to a species. For example, mold species have 
frequencies between 77 KHz and 300 KHz and bacteria and viruses have 
frequencies between 280 KHZ and 450KHZ. The more complex the organism the 
higher the frequency of its electric field.

Now, as we all know, if you hang on to a live wire from domestic electrical 
supply, it is momentarily very unpleasant and rapidly fatal. It is fatal 
because our vital body chemistry is effectively jammed and we die. The same 
principle is involved in the use of a zapper to kill pathogens except that the 
electrical charge is so minute for our complex, high vibration physical system 
it has no harmful effect on us. But the charge is so disruptive for lower forms 
of life they are ruptured and killed in the first seven minute burst. The 
subsequent seven minute session deals to microorganisms released by dead 
parasites and the third zapper session kills all the viruses released by the 
last kill.

The outstanding benefits of killing pathogens in this way are
•all their structures and life processes are compromised by electricity, 
•they cannot develop immunity, 
•there are no harmful or permanent side effects and 
•all pathogens on tissue surfaces are killed harmlessly, whether you are 
aware of their presence or not.

What Zappers are less effective for

Because zapping is an electrical event, pathways are required for the current 
to flow. Where there are no pathways, there may be some stray electricity, but 
mostly it cannot flow. Where it doesn't flow it doesn't work.  Therefore 
zapping may not kill organisms in abscesses, the inner ear complex, the 
eyeball, stomach, bladder or intestinal tract*. This is helpful in relation to 
the intestinal tract because most biota in the gut is beneficial and essential 
for digestion.  But it does mean that infections in the other locations must be 
treated by zapping over a number of days in order to kill all the organisms as 
they contact with body membranes.

*Infections of the intestinal tract would respond more readily by being treated 
with colloidal silver, garlic, Echinacea, and/or professionally prepared herbal 
remedies if avoiding antibiotics is important."


Steve

 ASL  wrote: 

=
May I ask all the zapper user

Re: CS>zapper burns

2014-02-08 Thread ASL
May I ask all the zapper users to tell me how exactly this works and what
does it heal specifically?
Why I keep seeing "hoax"  when I look up Hulda's zappers online? How
soon do you see positive results?










*Quote: *
*"Love makes your soul crawl out from its hiding place."*
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On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 7:53 PM, Steve Levine  wrote:

> I have three different zappers from the same ebay seller
> http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&item=350968740981&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&_osacat=0&hash=item51b75dfc75&_ssn=mstrong1&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xzappe&_nkw=zapper&_sacat=0&_from=R40
> They all work well and are a good economical choice. I don't have the 3
> frequency one that you have but I'm sure it works great. I also have a
> Terminator zapper that I use for convenience sake but if I'm feeling really
> bad I go for the handheld copper pipes with the 15hz or 30khz zapper as
> they do get the job done a little faster.
>
> Steve
>  Nancy Winiecki  wrote:
>
> =
> I use a zapper called
> Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapperit has very nice straps that go
> around the wrists, and I also got copper pipe electrodes for it but haven't
> used them much.I don't have any illnesses to speak of to make claims
> for healing, but that may be a testimony in itself.   Last time I "caught"
> a cold from the grandkids, I never stopped up or had a runny nose but did
> get a slight cough after several days, and did need to use a little CS in
> my nose to open my sinuses at that point, which it did quickly, but I used
> to get terrible sinus infections with colds, and that did not happen.
>
>  What I do use it for is my insomnia, frequently by putting on the
> electrodes when I am not able to sleep: it will help, though not always.
> What I like is that I don't have to wet the electrodes and they don't
> tingle or burn.   I also have a Sota Silver Pulser which did cause redness
> and irritation, even burning sensations, and needed water.   I have to say
> I stopped using it when I got the Z4eX from ebay.
>
> Has anyone else tried this zapper?
>
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Re: CS>zapper burns

2014-02-08 Thread Steve Levine
I have three different zappers from the same ebay seller 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=&item=350968740981&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&_osacat=0&hash=item51b75dfc75&_ssn=mstrong1&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xzappe&_nkw=zapper&_sacat=0&_from=R40
They all work well and are a good economical choice. I don't have the 3 
frequency one that you have but I'm sure it works great. I also have a 
Terminator zapper that I use for convenience sake but if I'm feeling really bad 
I go for the handheld copper pipes with the 15hz or 30khz zapper as they do get 
the job done a little faster.

Steve
 Nancy Winiecki  wrote: 

=
I use a zapper called  
Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapperit has very nice straps that go 
around the wrists, and I also got copper pipe electrodes for it but haven't 
used them much.    I don't have any illnesses to speak of to make claims for 
healing, but that may be a testimony in itself.   Last time I "caught" a cold 
from the grandkids, I never stopped up or had a runny nose but did get a slight 
cough after several days, and did need to use a little CS in my nose to open my 
sinuses at that point, which it did quickly, but I used to get terrible sinus 
infections with colds, and that did not happen.

 What I do use it for is my insomnia, frequently by putting on the electrodes 
when I am not able to sleep: it will help, though not always.   What I like is 
that I don't have to wet the electrodes and they don't tingle or burn.   I also 
have a Sota Silver Pulser which did cause redness and irritation, even burning 
sensations, and needed water.   I have to say I stopped using it when I got the 
Z4eX from ebay.  

Has anyone else tried this zapper?


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Re: CS>zapper burns

2014-02-08 Thread Nancy Winiecki
I use a zapper called  
Z4eX EXTREME 3 Frequency Hulda Clark Zapperit has very nice straps that go 
around the wrists, and I also got copper pipe electrodes for it but haven't 
used them much.    I don't have any illnesses to speak of to make claims for 
healing, but that may be a testimony in itself.   Last time I "caught" a cold 
from the grandkids, I never stopped up or had a runny nose but did get a slight 
cough after several days, and did need to use a little CS in my nose to open my 
sinuses at that point, which it did quickly, but I used to get terrible sinus 
infections with colds, and that did not happen.

 What I do use it for is my insomnia, frequently by putting on the electrodes 
when I am not able to sleep: it will help, though not always.   What I like is 
that I don't have to wet the electrodes and they don't tingle or burn.   I also 
have a Sota Silver Pulser which did cause redness and irritation, even burning 
sensations, and needed water.   I have to say I stopped using it when I got the 
Z4eX from ebay.  

Has anyone else tried this zapper?

Re: CS>zapper burns

2014-02-04 Thread PT Ferrance
Thanks, Mike.  I admit I have tended to wear mine at night, hence I don't feel 
the burn until it is substantial.  I'm going to dig it out and give it a go 
again.
PT





 From: M.G. Devour 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2014 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: CS>zapper burns
 

Yeah, I've not gotten any burns wearing my zapper on the soles of my
feet. Mostly I'm wearing it on my upper calves to just below the knees.
I'm using the cut off top of a sock to hold it firmly in place. I move
the unit around the circumference of my leg during the course of the
day, switch legs when I've gone around, so as to spread out the effects.

I've gotten bitten a few times, but as soon as I feel any sensitivity at
all I'll move it. Sometimes it'll start to bite within the first minute,
so I move it again until I find a good spot.

Another trick, especially with a fresher battery, is simply to NOT
remove the tarnish from the lower electrode for a few days. That seems
to increase the resistance a little and makes it more gentle. Once the
battery's a few days old it won't hurt to clean the electrodes again, or
if they get really grungy. 

Even though I've gotten the occasional minor burn, I wouldn't be without
it. At this stage I'm managing to keep my urine and saliva pH at or
above 7.0 with only two small doses per day of a mixture of salts. Very
easy to do, and impossible for me to accomplish before the zapper
cleaned out my system and raised my baseline alkalinity.

Be well!

Mike D.


PJ wrote:
> To avoid burns until the body's overacid condition is remedied one can
> place the unit on the palm of the hand or the sole of the foot.  These
> areas don't burn as the skin is thicker here.  If you cut off about
> the top six or eight inches of a crew sock it will make a good elastic
> holder for the hand, foot, leg etc.  Might want to reread the
> instructions on Croft's site.   pj


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Re: CS>zapper burns

2014-02-04 Thread M.G. Devour
Yeah, I've not gotten any burns wearing my zapper on the soles of my
feet. Mostly I'm wearing it on my upper calves to just below the knees.
I'm using the cut off top of a sock to hold it firmly in place. I move
the unit around the circumference of my leg during the course of the
day, switch legs when I've gone around, so as to spread out the effects.

I've gotten bitten a few times, but as soon as I feel any sensitivity at
all I'll move it. Sometimes it'll start to bite within the first minute,
so I move it again until I find a good spot.

Another trick, especially with a fresher battery, is simply to NOT
remove the tarnish from the lower electrode for a few days. That seems
to increase the resistance a little and makes it more gentle. Once the
battery's a few days old it won't hurt to clean the electrodes again, or
if they get really grungy. 

Even though I've gotten the occasional minor burn, I wouldn't be without
it. At this stage I'm managing to keep my urine and saliva pH at or
above 7.0 with only two small doses per day of a mixture of salts. Very
easy to do, and impossible for me to accomplish before the zapper
cleaned out my system and raised my baseline alkalinity.

Be well!

Mike D.


PJ wrote:
> To avoid burns until the body's overacid condition is remedied one can
> place the unit on the palm of the hand or the sole of the foot.  These
> areas don't burn as the skin is thicker here.  If you cut off about
> the top six or eight inches of a crew sock it will make a good elastic
> holder for the hand, foot, leg etc.  Might want to reread the
> instructions on Croft's site.   pj


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Re: CS>zapper burns

2014-02-03 Thread PT Ferrance
Thanks, I've done all that.
PT





 From: Shirley Reed 
To: "silver-list@eskimo.com"  
Sent: Monday, February 3, 2014 3:43 PM
Subject: CS>zapper burns
 


To avoid burns until the body's overacid condition is remedied one can place 
the unit on the palm of the hand or the sole of the foot.  These areas don't 
burn as the skin is thicker here.  If you cut off about the top six or eight 
inches of a crew sock it will make a good elastic holder for the hand, foot, 
leg etc.  Might want to reread the instructions on Croft's site.   pj

CS>zapper burns

2014-02-03 Thread Shirley Reed
To avoid burns until the body's overacid condition is remedied one can place 
the unit on the palm of the hand or the sole of the foot.  These areas don't 
burn as the skin is thicker here.  If you cut off about the top six or eight 
inches of a crew sock it will make a good elastic holder for the hand, foot, 
leg etc.  Might want to reread the instructions on Croft's site.   pj

Re: CS>Zapper question for Ken...

2013-12-19 Thread Ode Coyote



  That would neutralize the previous buildup where electro-chemicals are 
produced aster than capillaries can disburse them into the blood stream, 
preventing the inchies and chemical burns, but also creating a null time of 
no activity.
This is why I believe that Zappers using 4hz pole shifts can't be doing 
much other than messing with the operational  baseline voltage [effective 
zero point] of nerve synopsis.


ode





At 07:57 PM 12/18/2013 -0500, you wrote:

They use both by switching polarities every 5 minutes.
Joe
On 18/12/2013 5:49 PM, M.G. Devour wrote:

Ode wrote:

   It would be easy to tell which electrode does what with some litmus
paper..I seem to have misplaced mine.

Wet down a paper towel with salty water, apply DC power and see which
pole goes acid.

I'm guessing that the positive electrode would attract electrons,
creating a region of alkalinity from OH- ions. The negative electrode
would repel electrons creating a region populated by a surplus of H+.
Does that sound right?

I've got some pH paper, so I could do the test.


Sodium Hydroxide

It's ~probably~ the Sodium Hydroxide that builds up enough to give you
the red itchies

But also will have the effect of alkalizing the region closest to it.

Does anybody know off the top of their head what end of the batteries
goes on the area to be treated with a microelectricitygermkiller-style
Godzilla?

Off to try to dig up those answers...

Be well,

Mike D.




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Re: CS>Zapper question for Ken...

2013-12-18 Thread Joe Huard

They use both by switching polarities every 5 minutes.
Joe
On 18/12/2013 5:49 PM, M.G. Devour wrote:

Ode wrote:

   It would be easy to tell which electrode does what with some litmus
paper..I seem to have misplaced mine.

Wet down a paper towel with salty water, apply DC power and see which
pole goes acid.

I'm guessing that the positive electrode would attract electrons,
creating a region of alkalinity from OH- ions. The negative electrode
would repel electrons creating a region populated by a surplus of H+.
Does that sound right?

I've got some pH paper, so I could do the test.


Sodium Hydroxide

It's ~probably~ the Sodium Hydroxide that builds up enough to give you
the red itchies

But also will have the effect of alkalizing the region closest to it.

Does anybody know off the top of their head what end of the batteries
goes on the area to be treated with a microelectricitygermkiller-style
Godzilla?
  
Off to try to dig up those answers...


Be well,

Mike D.




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Re: CS>Zapper question for Ken...

2013-12-18 Thread M.G. Devour
Ode wrote:
>   It would be easy to tell which electrode does what with some litmus
> paper..I seem to have misplaced mine.
> 
> Wet down a paper towel with salty water, apply DC power and see which
> pole goes acid.

I'm guessing that the positive electrode would attract electrons,
creating a region of alkalinity from OH- ions. The negative electrode
would repel electrons creating a region populated by a surplus of H+.
Does that sound right?

I've got some pH paper, so I could do the test. 

> Sodium Hydroxide
> 
> It's ~probably~ the Sodium Hydroxide that builds up enough to give you
> the red itchies

But also will have the effect of alkalizing the region closest to it.

Does anybody know off the top of their head what end of the batteries
goes on the area to be treated with a microelectricitygermkiller-style
Godzilla?
 
Off to try to dig up those answers...

Be well,

Mike D.




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Re: CS>Zapper question for Ken...

2013-12-18 Thread Ode Coyote



  It would be easy to tell which electrode does what with some litmus 
paper..I seem to have misplaced mine.


Wet down a paper towel with salty water, apply DC power and see which pole 
goes acid.


The *main* products: [you have all sorts of different metallic salts, but 
sodium chloride predominates]


Hypochlourus acid
Sodium Hydroxide

It's ~probably~ the Sodium Hydroxide that builds up enough to give you the 
red itchies



 http://silverpuppy.com/Zapper.html


Ode



At 02:25 PM 12/18/2013 -0500, you wrote:

Hey Ken (Ode),

Back a whiles you posted an analysis of what you thought these various
zappers or blood electrifiers were doing, specifically the alkaline or
acid substances they were creating near each electrode.

Could you recap that, particularly which electrode seems to form the
alkaline concentration in the tissues?

Thank you!

Be well,

Mike D.



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CS>Zapper question for Ken...

2013-12-18 Thread M.G. Devour
Hey Ken (Ode),

Back a whiles you posted an analysis of what you thought these various
zappers or blood electrifiers were doing, specifically the alkaline or
acid substances they were creating near each electrode.

Could you recap that, particularly which electrode seems to form the
alkaline concentration in the tissues?

Thank you!

Be well,

Mike D.



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Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

2012-12-30 Thread PT Ferrance
Thanks.  I'll give them a call after the holiday.
PT





From: phoenix23002 tds.net 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 30, 2012 2:48:27 PM
Subject: Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material


PT... here is a website that has all kinds of conductive and non-conductive 
materials.  You might give them a call and see if any of their fabrics might 
suit your needs.  Someone posted the link a few weeks back when a discussion 
was 
going on about 'earthing' fabric sources.  Lola H.
 
http://lessemf.com/fabric.html


On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:33 AM, PT Ferrance  wrote:

Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper burns.  I eventually 
remembered I had some graphite gloves that I used as electrodes and started 
using them and have not had another burn. 

>
>Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the graphite-vinyl 
>material.  I have hunted the internet and have not been able to find it.
>
>Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of your 
>correspondence 
>over the time I have been on this list.
>PT
>


RE: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

2012-12-30 Thread Simonsen, John
lessemf.com carries many different types of conductive fabrics.

John

From: PT Ferrance [ptf2...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 7:47 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

Thanks.  It doesn't say whether or not it is conductive.  This is the problem I 
have been facing.  Do you know if graphite is by nature conductive?  Or if 
there is a purity level for using on humans?  I tried to find the manufacturer 
of the graphite gloves but was unable to find the gloves on the website.
PT


From: Steve G 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 30, 2012 10:38:06 AM
Subject: Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

I googled 'graphite cloth' and this is one of the links I brought up.  
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|10918|16458|309345&id=16304

Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?

Steve


--- On Sun, 12/30/12, PT Ferrance  wrote:

From: PT Ferrance 
Subject: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 9:33 AM

Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper burns.  I eventually 
remembered I had some graphite gloves that I used as electrodes and started 
using them and have not had another burn.

Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the graphite-vinyl 
material.  I have hunted the internet and have not been able to find it.

Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of your 
correspondence over the time I have been on this list.
PT



Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

2012-12-30 Thread phoenix23002 tds.net
PT... here is a website that has all kinds of conductive and non-conductive
materials.  You might give them a call and see if any of their fabrics
might suit your needs.  Someone posted the link a few weeks back when a
discussion was going on about 'earthing' fabric sources.  Lola H.

http://lessemf.com/fabric.html

On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 9:33 AM, PT Ferrance  wrote:

>  Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper burns.  I
> eventually remembered I had some graphite gloves that I used as electrodes
> and started using them and have not had another burn.
>
> Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the
> graphite-vinyl material.  I have hunted the internet and have not been able
> to find it.
>
> Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of your
> correspondence over the time I have been on this list.
> PT
>


Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

2012-12-30 Thread PT Ferrance
Thanks Marshall.  I'll do that.
PT





From: Marshall 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 30, 2012 2:02:27 PM
Subject: Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

Check for conductive rubber (likely neoprene instead of vinyl though) mats, 
both for electronic assembly areas  as well as operating rooms.

Marshall

On 12/30/2012 9:33 AM, PT Ferrance wrote: 
Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper   burns.  I 
eventually remembered I had some graphite gloves   that I used as 
electrodes and started using them and have not   had another burn. 

>
>Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the   
>graphite-vinyl material.  I have hunted the internet and have   not 
>been 
>able to find it.
>
>Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of   your 
>correspondence over the time I have been on this list.
>PT
>

 
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Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

2012-12-30 Thread Marshall
Check for conductive rubber (likely neoprene instead of vinyl though) 
mats, both for electronic assembly areas  as well as operating rooms.


Marshall

On 12/30/2012 9:33 AM, PT Ferrance wrote:
Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper burns.  I 
eventually remembered I had some graphite gloves that I used as 
electrodes and started using them and have not had another burn.


Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the 
graphite-vinyl material.  I have hunted the internet and have not been 
able to find it.


Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of your 
correspondence over the time I have been on this list.

PT


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Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

2012-12-30 Thread PT Ferrance
Thanks.  It doesn't say whether or not it is conductive.  This is the problem I 
have been facing.  Do you know if graphite is by nature conductive?  Or if 
there 
is a purity level for using on humans?  I tried to find the manufacturer of the 
graphite gloves but was unable to find the gloves on the website.
PT





From: Steve G 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, December 30, 2012 10:38:06 AM
Subject: Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material


I googled 'graphite cloth' and this is one of the links I brought up.  
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|10918|16458|309345&id=16304

Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?

Steve


--- On Sun, 12/30/12, PT Ferrance  wrote:


>From: PT Ferrance 
>Subject: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 9:33 AM
>
>
>Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper burns.  I eventually 
>remembered I had some graphite gloves that I used as electrodes and started 
>using them and have not had another burn. 
>
>
>Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the graphite-vinyl 
>material.  I have hunted the internet and have not been able to find it.
>
>Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of your 
>correspondence 
>over the time I have been on this list.
>PT
> 

Re: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

2012-12-30 Thread Steve G
I googled 'graphite cloth' and this is one of the links I brought up.  
http://www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|10918|16458|309345&id=16304

Is that the kind of thing you're looking for?

Steve


--- On Sun, 12/30/12, PT Ferrance  wrote:

From: PT Ferrance 
Subject: CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Sunday, December 30, 2012, 9:33 AM

Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper burns.  I eventually 
remembered I had some graphite gloves that I used as electrodes and started 
using them and have not had another burn. 

Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the graphite-vinyl 
material.  I have hunted the internet and have not been able to find it.

Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of your 
correspondence over the time I have been on this list.
PT






CS>zapper burns & graphite vinyl material

2012-12-30 Thread PT Ferrance
Thanks to everyone who responded to my email on zapper burns.  I eventually 
remembered I had some graphite gloves that I used as electrodes and started 
using them and have not had another burn. 


Now I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can get some of the graphite-vinyl 
material.  I have hunted the internet and have not been able to find it.

Thanks... and Happy New Year.  I have greatly enjoyed all of your 
correspondence 
over the time I have been on this list.
PT


Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain

2010-09-27 Thread Bob Banever

Nancy,

  An abscessed tooth is the same as an infection in the tooth and it is 
caused by bacteria which can be destroyed with DC current.  It matters 
little if the bacteria are in the root, tooth, or gum.   If your tooth is 
cracked or missing a piece then it may have to come out depending on what 
your dentist says.  Any infection will still be destroyed by the Godzilla.
- Original Message - 
From: "Tad Winiecki" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain


I need a little clarification.  Let's say you have a tooth with a cavity- 
tooth decay.  The bacteria are creating acid by their activities that 
erodes tooth enamel, as I understand it.  Will the microelectricity kill 
the bacteria and stop the decay?  Can the tooth then regenerate some of the 
enamel?  Does the tooth have to be intact?  Is infection like an abscess or 
like a cavity?  I have been doing oil pulling and have seen improvement in 
whiteness of teeth and also tooth sensitivity.  I haven't really been 
impressed that any gum recession was reversed, though perhaps it was slowed 
down.

Thanks, Nancy


- Original Message 
From: Bob Banever 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 8:16:42 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain

Pat,

   You might be able to use a zapper but the Godzilla device works for 
this every time.  It will not only relieve you of the pain, but it will 
kill the infection in the tooth, gum, or root of the tooth and can save 
you thousands on dental bills.  Go to microelectricitygermkiller group on 
Yahoo for schematics on how to make one for under $10.   You can buy a 
very nice one with a volt meter on it from "V" at lig...@theledman.net 
I've used this device many times and it has naver failed me.


Bob





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Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain

2010-09-27 Thread Tad Winiecki
I need a little clarification.  Let's say you have a tooth with a 
cavity- tooth decay.  The bacteria are creating acid by their activities 
that erodes tooth enamel, as I understand it.  Will the microelectricity 
kill the bacteria and stop the decay?  Can the tooth then regenerate 
some of the enamel?  Does the tooth have to be intact?  Is infection 
like an abscess or like a cavity?  I have been doing oil pulling and 
have seen improvement in whiteness of teeth and also tooth sensitivity.  
I haven't really been impressed that any gum recession was reversed, 
though perhaps it was slowed down. 


Thanks, Nancy


- Original Message 
From: Bob Banever 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 8:16:42 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain

Pat,

   You might be able to use a zapper but the Godzilla device works for this 
every time.  It will not only relieve you of the pain, but it will kill the 
infection in the tooth, gum, or root of the tooth and can save you thousands on 
dental bills.  Go to microelectricitygermkiller group on Yahoo for schematics on 
how to make one for under $10.   You can buy a very nice one with a volt meter 
on it from "V" at lig...@theledman.net   I've used this device many times and it 
has naver failed me.


Bob

  



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Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain

2010-09-25 Thread Bob Banever


Pat,

   Go to the original microelectricitygermkiller group (not #2).
- Original Message - 
From: "Pat" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain


What is the difference between a zapper and a Godzilla?  I'm looking 
around in

Microelectricitygermkiller2 and don't find the instructions for making the
Godzilla.

Thanks,
Pat




- Original Message 
From: Bob Banever 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 8:16:42 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain

Pat,

  You might be able to use a zapper but the Godzilla device works for this
every time.  It will not only relieve you of the pain, but it will kill 
the
infection in the tooth, gum, or root of the tooth and can save you 
thousands on
dental bills.  Go to microelectricitygermkiller group on Yahoo for 
schematics on
how to make one for under $10.   You can buy a very nice one with a volt 
meter
on it from "V" at lig...@theledman.net   I've used this device many times 
and it

has naver failed me.

Bob
- Original Message - From: "Pat" 
To: "silver list" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:41 PM
Subject: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain


Can you use a zapper on a tooth with a large filling?  How about one with 
a
crown?  Have a tooth that's getting sensitive and hurts a bit, so I want 
to

know
before I NEED to know.


Thanks.

Pat







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Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain

2010-09-25 Thread Pat
What is the difference between a zapper and a Godzilla?  I'm looking around in 
Microelectricitygermkiller2 and don't find the instructions for making the 
Godzilla.

Thanks, 
Pat




- Original Message 
From: Bob Banever 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 8:16:42 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain

Pat,

   You might be able to use a zapper but the Godzilla device works for this 
every time.  It will not only relieve you of the pain, but it will kill the 
infection in the tooth, gum, or root of the tooth and can save you thousands on 
dental bills.  Go to microelectricitygermkiller group on Yahoo for schematics 
on 
how to make one for under $10.   You can buy a very nice one with a volt meter 
on it from "V" at lig...@theledman.net   I've used this device many times and 
it 
has naver failed me.

Bob
- Original Message - From: "Pat" 
To: "silver list" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:41 PM
Subject: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain


> Can you use a zapper on a tooth with a large filling?  How about one with a
> crown?  Have a tooth that's getting sensitive and hurts a bit, so I want to 
>know
> before I NEED to know.
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Pat
> 


  


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Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain

2010-09-22 Thread Bob Banever
Jenny,

   Using a Godzilla will kill any and all microbes in the roots of the 
teeth as well as the gums and tooth body.  Go to 
microelectricitygermkillergroup on Yahoo for schematics on how to build your 
own for less than $10.

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: jenny goodhealth 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:40 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain


What about pain caused by lyme & other anarobic bacteria living inside 
the 400 tubes of root canal?  Pls. advise.  Thanks. 

jen  -

--- On Wed, 9/22/10, Don Barnes  wrote:


  From: Don Barnes 
  Subject: Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 7:30 PM


  go to www.curetoothdecay.com


  On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Pat  wrote:

Can you use a zapper on a tooth with a large filling?  How about 
one with a
crown?  Have a tooth that's getting sensitive and hurts a bit, so I 
want to know
before I NEED to know.


Thanks.

Pat






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Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain

2010-09-22 Thread jenny goodhealth
What about pain caused by lyme & other anarobic bacteria living inside the 400 
tubes of root canal?  Pls. advise.  Thanks. 
 
jen  -

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From: Don Barnes 
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 7:30 PM


go to www.curetoothdecay.com


On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Pat  wrote:

Can you use a zapper on a tooth with a large filling?  How about one with a
crown?  Have a tooth that's getting sensitive and hurts a bit, so I want to know
before I NEED to know.


Thanks.

Pat






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Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain

2010-09-22 Thread Don Barnes
go to www.curetoothdecay.com

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Pat  wrote:

> Can you use a zapper on a tooth with a large filling?  How about one with a
> crown?  Have a tooth that's getting sensitive and hurts a bit, so I want to
> know
> before I NEED to know.
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Pat
>
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Re: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain

2010-09-22 Thread Bob Banever

Pat,

   You might be able to use a zapper but the Godzilla device works for this 
every time.  It will not only relieve you of the pain, but it will kill the 
infection in the tooth, gum, or root of the tooth and can save you thousands 
on dental bills.  Go to microelectricitygermkiller group on Yahoo for 
schematics on how to make one for under $10.   You can buy a very nice one 
with a volt meter on it from "V" at lig...@theledman.net   I've used this 
device many times and it has naver failed me.


Bob
- Original Message - 
From: "Pat" 

To: "silver list" 
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:41 PM
Subject: CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain


Can you use a zapper on a tooth with a large filling?  How about one with 
a
crown?  Have a tooth that's getting sensitive and hurts a bit, so I want 
to know

before I NEED to know.


Thanks.

Pat






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CS>Zapper for Tooth Pain

2010-09-22 Thread Pat
Can you use a zapper on a tooth with a large filling?  How about one with a 
crown?  Have a tooth that's getting sensitive and hurts a bit, so I want to 
know 
before I NEED to know. 


Thanks.

Pat



  


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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-06 Thread Ode Coyote



  Change the polarity.
Hook it up to DC [Direct Current ] power backwards or use AC [ 
Alternating current ] which is exactly that polarity changing being done 
for you in cycles of some frequency


Ode


At 11:09 AM 5/5/2010 -0500, you wrote:

How do you reverse the direction of current flow?
- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper





  Reverse the direction of current flow...switch the positive to 
negative and negative to positive.


..to go bi polar...electrical mood swing

Ode

At 07:01 AM 5/4/2010 -0500, you wrote:
I hate to be reallly green about this, what does it mean to switch the 
polarity? Thanks, Kathy

- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper





  It only cancels out what is left in the surface where blood flow is 
slow...which is also  why it's painful.
With 15 minute cycles, or even 5 minute cycles, you've given it time 
for most of the chemicals to enter the blood stream before being 
canceled by the switch.


 The cancellation effect wouldn't be instant, but it would be pretty 
fast, so some small amount of time spend doing that would detract from 
the amount of time stuff of one sort or the other is entering the 
blood stream..and..building up in the skin...so the faster the cycle 
the more that factor takes out of the cycle doing nothing to change 
the bloodbut keeps the skin neutral.


Ode


At 10:33 AM 5/3/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Mary Ann,

It has been advised on the Microelectricitygermkiller group to switch 
polarity at five minute intervals to avoid the possibility of pain 
which can develop in the fingers if this is not done. Apparently, 
someone who was not switching polarity ended up with fairly severe 
pain after ignoring the advice.


If polarity switching effectively cancels out any effectiveness of 
using the Zilla why then do people get huge herxes and why do reports 
of condition improvements exist? Pacebo effect is something I can 
accept as a possible partial explanation for improvements but for herxing??


Peter

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net>MaryAnn Helland
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper

OK -- here's another message I found from last Wednesday.

If you're right, and switching polarity negates the use of the unit 
in the first place -- then what's the point of it all?  Would one, 
instead, simply use one polarity as long as tolerable?

MA


From: Ode Coyote 
<mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net>odecoy...@windstream.net


Yea, that's the basic idea.
>
>
At 05:44 AM 4/27/2010 -0700, you wrote:
>Ode -- are you saying that by switching polarity, you're
undoing >whatever
>good you're doing by using the unit in the first place?
>MA (confused)
>
>
>From: Ode Coyote
<mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net><mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net>odecoy...@windstream.net
>
>
>PS  Switching polarity inputs the opposing 
electrochemical, > >neutralizing

>what you were trying to do at that spot.
>


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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-05 Thread Kathy Tankersley

How do you reverse the direction of current flow?
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper





  Reverse the direction of current flow...switch the positive to negative 
and negative to positive.


..to go bi polar...electrical mood swing

Ode

At 07:01 AM 5/4/2010 -0500, you wrote:
I hate to be reallly green about this, what does it mean to switch the 
polarity? Thanks, Kathy

- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper





  It only cancels out what is left in the surface where blood flow is 
slow...which is also  why it's painful.
With 15 minute cycles, or even 5 minute cycles, you've given it time for 
most of the chemicals to enter the blood stream before being canceled by 
the switch.


 The cancellation effect wouldn't be instant, but it would be pretty 
fast, so some small amount of time spend doing that would detract from 
the amount of time stuff of one sort or the other is entering the blood 
stream..and..building up in the skin...so the faster the cycle the more 
that factor takes out of the cycle doing nothing to change the 
bloodbut keeps the skin neutral.


Ode


At 10:33 AM 5/3/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Mary Ann,

It has been advised on the Microelectricitygermkiller group to switch 
polarity at five minute intervals to avoid the possibility of pain which 
can develop in the fingers if this is not done. Apparently, someone who 
was not switching polarity ended up with fairly severe pain after 
ignoring the advice.


If polarity switching effectively cancels out any effectiveness of using 
the Zilla why then do people get huge herxes and why do reports of 
condition improvements exist? Pacebo effect is something I can accept as 
a possible partial explanation for improvements but for herxing??


Peter

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net>MaryAnn Helland
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper

OK -- here's another message I found from last Wednesday.

If you're right, and switching polarity negates the use of the unit in 
the first place -- then what's the point of it all?  Would one, 
instead, simply use one polarity as long as tolerable?

MA


From: Ode Coyote 
<mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net>odecoy...@windstream.net


Yea, that's the basic idea.
>
>
At 05:44 AM 4/27/2010 -0700, you wrote:
>Ode -- are you saying that by switching polarity, you're
undoing >whatever
>good you're doing by using the unit in the first place?
>MA (confused)
>
>
>From: Ode Coyote
<mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net><mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net>odecoy...@windstream.net
>
>
>PS  Switching polarity inputs the opposing electrochemical, 
> >neutralizing

>what you were trying to do at that spot.
>


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RE: CS>Zapper

2010-05-05 Thread Ode Coyote
ield rise times, pulsed electric field strengths,
electric field pulse time widths, pulse rates, and total time of
exposure to pulses that could produce the desired results of having
fibroblast cells become embryonic looking and apparently embryonic like
in their behavior."

As you can see, the magnetic pulser is just one method for getting
electrical currents to a pathogen or a damaged portion of the body. You
could also use an electrical DC current, electrical pulses or RIFE
machines to do the same. The only issue is which method can effectively
get the electrical current where you need it.

Here is some info on healing with electrical pulses:
 http://www.horsemagneticpulser.com/1028article.html

This page has some links regarding magnetic pulsers re-growing brain
cells:
http://www.horsemagneticpulser.com/Horseresources.html

This page has links to studies on using magnetic pulsers for
osteoporosis and for disinfecting water and food. I am very interested
in the food disinfection possibilities.
http://www.soul-guidance.com/health/magneticpulses.htm


-   Steve N



-Original Message-
From: Peter Converse [mailto:pconve...@primus.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:56 AM
To: cking...@nycap.rr.com; silver-list@eskimo.com; Marshall Dudley
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper

I second that Chuck!

Marshall,

If I may ask, while we're on this topic...

So, if someone is using a coil machine, having a sine wave, it must be
relying on sheer power to shatter the pathogen's DNAno harmonics
involved at all.correct?

But... will this power KEEP the DNA particles from migrating back toward
one
another and reassembling themselves? Evidence seems to demonstrate
thiswhaddya think?

Now, what about a GB4000 contact Rife-type machine, with only 10 Watts
of
output (using the optional amp)it can be used in either of  its
square
or sine wave modes (square for the lower range frequencies and sine for
the
higher ones). Some people claim that it also produces harmonics with its
AC
square wave while others say only a DC positive offset square wave can
do
so...opinions?

Some have converted their GB4000s to positive offset by using a diode
and
believe that their results were more predictable after doing
thisopinions?

Some believe that AC frequencies in the MHz range work very well in sine

wave mode due to their sharp leading edges, especially when they are
gated
(pulsed). RR Rife was reportedly quoted as saying that gating is what
actually devitalizes/kills the pathogens. He used a second frequency of
1330
Hz, or thereabouts, laid overtop the MOR with a 30% duty cycle for this
gated frequency, to achieve this effect. So, it seems that the power
output
he used combined with the sharp waveform and the gating were synergistic
in
producing the desired effect. (not to forget the plasma bulb
characteristics)

Question...how can the GB4000 be used with a greater power output in
radiant
mode, rather than in contact mode (which seems hit and miss) without
upsetting airwave authorities?

Sorry for all the questions but you seem to be the guy to ask.

Thanks,

Peter


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Subject: Re: CS>Zapper


A really nice analysis, Marshall.

Chuck
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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-05 Thread Ode Coyote



  Reverse the direction of current flow...switch the positive to negative 
and negative to positive.


..to go bi polar...electrical mood swing

Ode

At 07:01 AM 5/4/2010 -0500, you wrote:
I hate to be reallly green about this, what does it mean to switch the 
polarity? Thanks, Kathy

- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper





  It only cancels out what is left in the surface where blood flow is 
slow...which is also  why it's painful.
With 15 minute cycles, or even 5 minute cycles, you've given it time for 
most of the chemicals to enter the blood stream before being canceled by 
the switch.


 The cancellation effect wouldn't be instant, but it would be pretty 
fast, so some small amount of time spend doing that would detract from 
the amount of time stuff of one sort or the other is entering the blood 
stream..and..building up in the skin...so the faster the cycle the more 
that factor takes out of the cycle doing nothing to change the 
bloodbut keeps the skin neutral.


Ode


At 10:33 AM 5/3/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Mary Ann,

It has been advised on the Microelectricitygermkiller group to switch 
polarity at five minute intervals to avoid the possibility of pain which 
can develop in the fingers if this is not done. Apparently, someone who 
was not switching polarity ended up with fairly severe pain after 
ignoring the advice.


If polarity switching effectively cancels out any effectiveness of using 
the Zilla why then do people get huge herxes and why do reports of 
condition improvements exist? Pacebo effect is something I can accept as 
a possible partial explanation for improvements but for herxing??


Peter

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net>MaryAnn Helland
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper

OK -- here's another message I found from last Wednesday.

If you're right, and switching polarity negates the use of the unit in 
the first place -- then what's the point of it all?  Would one, 
instead, simply use one polarity as long as tolerable?

MA


From: Ode Coyote <mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net>odecoy...@windstream.net

Yea, that's the basic idea.
>
>
At 05:44 AM 4/27/2010 -0700, you wrote:
>Ode -- are you saying that by switching polarity, you're 
undoing >whatever

>good you're doing by using the unit in the first place?
>MA (confused)
>
>
>From: Ode Coyote
<mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net><mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net>odecoy...@windstream.net
>
>
>PS  Switching polarity inputs the opposing electrochemical, >neutralizing
>what you were trying to do at that spot.
>


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FW: CS>Zapper

2010-05-04 Thread Norton, Steve

I haven't looked much into the zappers since they apparently won't help
with a problem I am trying to solve - a parasite problem in one of my
cats that has been resistant to numerous medications. But I have been
looking into magnetic pulsers since they may be able to solve the
problem. I think much of the info I have found about magnetic pulsers is
applicable to zappers, zillas, etc. 
It seems to me that there are generally two methods that zappers,
zillas, Beck blood electrification and Rife machines use to kill
pathogens. The first is the method Ode has posted about where sodium
hydroxide and hypochlorous acid are created by DC currents or uni-polar
pulses. The second method is the disruption of the protein on the
surfaces of pathogens by an electrical current. Personally, I think that
the frequency of current application and bidirectional electrical
currents can enhance the disruption caused by an electrical current but
it is not entirely necessary except when the electrical current without
the frequency/ bidirectional enhancement is too weak by itself to damage
the pathogen. Here is some interesting info I have found about magnetic
pulsers. 

From 
http://www.horsemagneticpulser.com/HMPTechview.html:

"Technical Overview - Pulsed Magnetic Field Therapy
 
Many phenomena occur when animal tissue is exposed to rapidly changing
magnetic fields.  Which phenomenon is most observed depends on the
strength, rate of change of, and duration of change of the magnetic
field.  For example, electrical eddy currents will be produced in the
interstitial body fluids.  As discussed below charge density waves can
be expected to disrupt and destroy microbe functions.  The electrical
eddy currents,  when they enter the range of 100 microamperes per square
centimeter to 200,000 microamperes per square centimeter,  begin to
biologically deactivate all manner of viruses and microbes as discussed
in U.S. Patent # 5,188,738.  Another useful and interesting phenomenon
that can be caused by a repeatedly pulsed magnetic field is
dedifferentiation of fibroblast cells and some types of precursor
endothelial cell types into embryonic looking cells.  This
dedifferentiation of fibroblast cells is very important for tissue
regeneration and repair.  Before we discuss tissue repair and
regeneration any further, let us look at killing of infections in the
tissue using charge density waves.  It is well known that tissue repair
cannot effectively occur until infection is under control.  Whenever an
animal suffers a traumatic physical injury there is both macroscopic and
microscopic tissue damage.  Viruses and bacteria that are normally in
the blood flow now have new places in the damaged tissue to set up shop
and develop into an infection region.
 
Charge Density Wave Therapy -  Charge density waves are a moving
compaction or rarefaction of the normal equilibrium ion density in an
ionic medium.  For example your body's blood plasma and interstitial
fluids are a salt solution similar to ocean water.  The blood plasma and
interstitial fluids are full of all kinds of positive and negative ions
(H+,  Na+, K+, Cl-, Mg++, Ca++, HCO2-, OH-, etc.).  By applying a
rapidly changing electric field to the boundary layer of the salt
solution, i.e. your dead skin layer or bone/flesh interface, etc.,
moving compaction and moving rarefaction waves (charge density waves) in
the salt solution can be generated.  In our case or situation the
rapidly changing electric field at the body tissue interfaces is
generated by the rapidly changing magnetic field from the HORSE MAGNETIC
PULSER treatment coil.  These charge density waves can have rather
strong electric fields associated with the interface between the moving
charge density wave front and the undisturbed ionic medium through which
the waves are propagating.  The strength of these electric fields is
determined by how fast the magnetic field polarity flip/reversal is
completed and the overall magnitude of the magnetic field.   If the
electric field is strong enough it can interact with protein molecules
in the blood, in interstitial spaces, on virus surfaces, and on bacteria
surfaces and rearrange their structures so they no longer perform their
normal function.  In general proteins in living systems are strings of
amino acids that are folded up into specific configurations and are held
in these configurations by cross liking hydrogen bonds and short range
Van der Waals forces.  These hydrogen bonds are very weak chemical
bonds.  The proteins have various net positive and net negatively
charged regions on them.  The electric field of the moving charge
density wave interacts with these net charge regions and puts forces on
these protein molecules.  
 
If the forces are high enough hydrogen bonds can be broken and the
protein rearranges itself.  In general the size, shape, and specific
charge configuration of a specific protein is crucial to the proper
functioning of that protein.  As a charge density wave ove

RE: CS>Zapper

2010-05-04 Thread Norton, Steve
s re-growing brain
cells:
http://www.horsemagneticpulser.com/Horseresources.html

This page has links to studies on using magnetic pulsers for
osteoporosis and for disinfecting water and food. I am very interested
in the food disinfection possibilities.
http://www.soul-guidance.com/health/magneticpulses.htm


-   Steve N



-Original Message-
From: Peter Converse [mailto:pconve...@primus.ca] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 10:56 AM
To: cking...@nycap.rr.com; silver-list@eskimo.com; Marshall Dudley
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper

I second that Chuck!

Marshall,

If I may ask, while we're on this topic...

So, if someone is using a coil machine, having a sine wave, it must be 
relying on sheer power to shatter the pathogen's DNAno harmonics 
involved at all.correct?

But... will this power KEEP the DNA particles from migrating back toward
one 
another and reassembling themselves? Evidence seems to demonstrate 
thiswhaddya think?

Now, what about a GB4000 contact Rife-type machine, with only 10 Watts
of 
output (using the optional amp)it can be used in either of  its
square 
or sine wave modes (square for the lower range frequencies and sine for
the 
higher ones). Some people claim that it also produces harmonics with its
AC 
square wave while others say only a DC positive offset square wave can
do 
so...opinions?

Some have converted their GB4000s to positive offset by using a diode
and 
believe that their results were more predictable after doing 
thisopinions?

Some believe that AC frequencies in the MHz range work very well in sine

wave mode due to their sharp leading edges, especially when they are
gated 
(pulsed). RR Rife was reportedly quoted as saying that gating is what 
actually devitalizes/kills the pathogens. He used a second frequency of
1330 
Hz, or thereabouts, laid overtop the MOR with a 30% duty cycle for this 
gated frequency, to achieve this effect. So, it seems that the power
output 
he used combined with the sharp waveform and the gating were synergistic
in 
producing the desired effect. (not to forget the plasma bulb 
characteristics)

Question...how can the GB4000 be used with a greater power output in
radiant 
mode, rather than in contact mode (which seems hit and miss) without 
upsetting airwave authorities?

Sorry for all the questions but you seem to be the guy to ask.

Thanks,

Peter


- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper


A really nice analysis, Marshall.

Chuck
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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-04 Thread Peter Converse

I second that Chuck!

Marshall,

If I may ask, while we're on this topic...

So, if someone is using a coil machine, having a sine wave, it must be 
relying on sheer power to shatter the pathogen's DNAno harmonics 
involved at all.correct?


But... will this power KEEP the DNA particles from migrating back toward one 
another and reassembling themselves? Evidence seems to demonstrate 
thiswhaddya think?


Now, what about a GB4000 contact Rife-type machine, with only 10 Watts of 
output (using the optional amp)it can be used in either of  its square 
or sine wave modes (square for the lower range frequencies and sine for the 
higher ones). Some people claim that it also produces harmonics with its AC 
square wave while others say only a DC positive offset square wave can do 
so...opinions?


Some have converted their GB4000s to positive offset by using a diode and 
believe that their results were more predictable after doing 
thisopinions?


Some believe that AC frequencies in the MHz range work very well in sine 
wave mode due to their sharp leading edges, especially when they are gated 
(pulsed). RR Rife was reportedly quoted as saying that gating is what 
actually devitalizes/kills the pathogens. He used a second frequency of 1330 
Hz, or thereabouts, laid overtop the MOR with a 30% duty cycle for this 
gated frequency, to achieve this effect. So, it seems that the power output 
he used combined with the sharp waveform and the gating were synergistic in 
producing the desired effect. (not to forget the plasma bulb 
characteristics)


Question...how can the GB4000 be used with a greater power output in radiant 
mode, rather than in contact mode (which seems hit and miss) without 
upsetting airwave authorities?


Sorry for all the questions but you seem to be the guy to ask.

Thanks,

Peter


- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper


A really nice analysis, Marshall.

Chuck
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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-04 Thread Marshall Dudley

This is the theory I have been posting here for over 10 years.

Marshall

Tel Tofflemire wrote:
Marshall Dudley, You old timer You, You got it right !  So far your 
the only one that I seen that did get it right.


Way to go,  Or  Way to Know !
 
Tel Tofflemire

Dewey, AZ.



*From:* Marshall Dudley 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Mon, May 3, 2010 2:25:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Zapper

Polarity makes no difference. For instance if you take a Clark zapper, 
and switch hands, then it works just as well.  DNA is wound like a 
spring.  And just like a spring, it has a resonant frequency.  Hit it 
with that frequency (Rife), and it will break apart.  Now DNA is 
pretty resilient stuff, and if the parts that break apart don't drift 
apart, they can recombine and become one again.  Both the Clark and 
Beck zappers rely on sharp edged square wave pulses to generate a 
harmonic near the resonant frequency.  The Fourier expansion of a 
square wave has all multiples of that frequency, so if you pick a 
frequency that is not to high it will have harmonics that are very 
close to resonance for a pathogen.  Apply the square wave, and the DNA 
tends to break apart. Now when DNA breaks apart different pieces have 
different electric charges, and thus have a tug toward either the 
positive or negative electrode.  However if the polarity changes 
direction, they will tend to drift back together and recombine 
becoming whole again. So there MUST be a DC component to the field to 
continue pulling the pieces apart until they are so far apart that 
they will not get back together again (or in the case of Rife hit it 
with so much energy at the resonant frequency it doesn't just break 
but shatters). This can be done either of two ways.  1. If using a 
frequency of 20 Khz or so, make it unipolar instead of bipolar, so 
that there is a DC field overriding the square wave at all times. This 
is the Clark approach.  2. Use such a low frequency that the pieces 
are pulled so far apart that even though the polarity reverses, they 
will still not be able to find each other again due to random motion 
during that time. This is the Beck approach.  They both work, Beck has 
the advantage that one of the harmonics will likely be closer to the 
resonance than the Clark unit, and Clark has the advantage that it is 
hitting it with the pulse 1,000 to 2,000 times as often, so even if 
the resonant efficiency is less, it is made up for by the high 
repetition rate.


As for the question of killing with one "polarity" or the other, then 
yes. For the Beck unit when you shift polarity, the next leading edge, 
either up or down, will cause DNA to break, and the electric field 
during that half wave will cause the parts to drift apart. In the case 
of the Clark unit, for the positive pulse, they break apart and the 
field pulls them apart a little bit.  During  the ground pulse, the 
falling edge will also cause breakage, but with no electric field, 
some of the pieces will find each other again, but with the positive 
pulse coming so quickly (50 microseconds) most likely they will 
experience the separating field as well before they can recombine.


Marshall

Bob Banever wrote:
> Marshall,
>
>Well if that's true then why would the polarity make any 
difference

>
> at all... BOTH polarities supposedly kill germs... so if you're 
killing with

>
> one you'd also be killing with the other... no?
> - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 
mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com>>

> To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>>
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 12:09 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Zapper
>
>
>> Bob Banever wrote:
>>> Switching polarity doesn't negate the effects.  If you kill a germ 
using one polarity and then switch to another will the germ be brought 
back to life?  Don't think so!

>>>
>> Well, actually yeah, kind of.  If you tear the dna apart in a germ, 
it is basically dead, but if the dna reconnects and becomes whole 
again, yeah, it will be alive again. If you reverse the polarity, the 
dna fragments will drift back together and reconnect, thus the 
necessity for the DC offset to Keep Em'  Dead. Just like you can be 
dead in the emergency room and come back to life if the proper 
treatment is preformed.

>>
>> Marshall
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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-04 Thread MaryAnn Helland
She'll develop a whole new clientele!!
MA





From: Del d...@altsystem.com


My wife sees her frequently for spinal and hip adjustments.
I'll have her ask about it.
My guess is, she never heard of it, but would be willing to try it.
Couldn't do any harm.
- Original Message - 
>From: MaryAnn Helland 
>
>
>Hey Del -- ask him (her?) if he ever uses it on bites.  I'd be curious to know!
>MA
>
>
>
>

From: Del d...@altsystem.com
>
>
>Hey, this is really good to know.
>Our chiropractor has the muscle stimulation machine too.
>Makes sense that it might work on bites, but I never thought of it before.
>
>Del
>- Original Message - 
>>From: MaryAnn Helland 
>>
>>
>>Hey Ode!  Just catching up on email, and I read yours.  I don't always 
>>understand your posts, and maybe I'm not understanding your question here 
>>correctly -- but if I am, then the answer is yes.  My chiropractor routinely 
>>alters the chemistry of venom with electricity.  He has an electro-stim 
>>machine, which uses self-adhesive pads attached to wires attached to the 
>>machine -- through which electricity is conveyed to whatever spot on your 
>>body.  Typically, this machine is used to deep-stimulte muscles -- such as 
>>back muscles -- to get them to release from spasms.  But he also uses this 
>>machine on bites -- snake, brown recluse, tick, bee or wasp stings, etc. -- 
>>and it neutralizes the proteins/toxins of the venoms.  It works so well on 
>>tick bites, that I have begun to use my Godzilla to self-treat tick bites 
>>successfully.  Think I'd still head for him if I got a brown recluse bite, 
>>though!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-04 Thread Kathy Tankersley
I hate to be reallly green about this, what does it mean to switch the 
polarity? Thanks, Kathy
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 2:51 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper





  It only cancels out what is left in the surface where blood flow is 
slow...which is also  why it's painful.
With 15 minute cycles, or even 5 minute cycles, you've given it time for 
most of the chemicals to enter the blood stream before being canceled by 
the switch.


 The cancellation effect wouldn't be instant, but it would be pretty fast, 
so some small amount of time spend doing that would detract from the 
amount of time stuff of one sort or the other is entering the blood 
stream..and..building up in the skin...so the faster the cycle the more 
that factor takes out of the cycle doing nothing to change the 
bloodbut keeps the skin neutral.


Ode


At 10:33 AM 5/3/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Mary Ann,

It has been advised on the Microelectricitygermkiller group to switch 
polarity at five minute intervals to avoid the possibility of pain which 
can develop in the fingers if this is not done. Apparently, someone who 
was not switching polarity ended up with fairly severe pain after ignoring 
the advice.


If polarity switching effectively cancels out any effectiveness of using 
the Zilla why then do people get huge herxes and why do reports of 
condition improvements exist? Pacebo effect is something I can accept as a 
possible partial explanation for improvements but for herxing??


Peter

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net>MaryAnn Helland
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper

OK -- here's another message I found from last Wednesday.

If you're right, and switching polarity negates the use of the unit in 
the first place -- then what's the point of it all?  Would one, instead, 
simply use one polarity as long as tolerable?

MA


From: Ode Coyote 
<mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net>odecoy...@windstream.net


Yea, that's the basic idea.
>
>
At 05:44 AM 4/27/2010 -0700, you wrote:
>Ode -- are you saying that by switching polarity, you're undoing 
>whatever

>good you're doing by using the unit in the first place?
>MA (confused)
>
>
>From: Ode Coyote
<mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net><mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net>odecoy...@windstream.net
>
>
>PS  Switching polarity inputs the opposing electrochemical, 
>neutralizing

>what you were trying to do at that spot.
>


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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-04 Thread Ode Coyote



  It only cancels out what is left in the surface where blood flow is 
slow...which is also  why it's painful.
With 15 minute cycles, or even 5 minute cycles, you've given it time for 
most of the chemicals to enter the blood stream before being canceled by 
the switch.


 The cancellation effect wouldn't be instant, but it would be pretty fast, 
so some small amount of time spend doing that would detract from the amount 
of time stuff of one sort or the other is entering the blood 
stream..and..building up in the skin...so the faster the cycle the more 
that factor takes out of the cycle doing nothing to change the bloodbut 
keeps the skin neutral.


Ode


At 10:33 AM 5/3/2010 -0400, you wrote:

Hi Mary Ann,

It has been advised on the Microelectricitygermkiller group to switch 
polarity at five minute intervals to avoid the possibility of pain which 
can develop in the fingers if this is not done. Apparently, someone who 
was not switching polarity ended up with fairly severe pain after ignoring 
the advice.


If polarity switching effectively cancels out any effectiveness of using 
the Zilla why then do people get huge herxes and why do reports of 
condition improvements exist? Pacebo effect is something I can accept as a 
possible partial explanation for improvements but for herxing??


Peter

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net>MaryAnn Helland
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper

OK -- here's another message I found from last Wednesday.

If you're right, and switching polarity negates the use of the unit in 
the first place -- then what's the point of it all?  Would one, instead, 
simply use one polarity as long as tolerable?

MA


From: Ode Coyote <mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net>odecoy...@windstream.net

Yea, that's the basic idea.
>
>
At 05:44 AM 4/27/2010 -0700, you wrote:
>Ode -- are you saying that by switching polarity, you're undoing whatever
>good you're doing by using the unit in the first place?
>MA (confused)
>
>
>From: Ode Coyote 
<mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net><mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net>odecoy...@windstream.net

>
>
>PS  Switching polarity inputs the opposing electrochemical, neutralizing
>what you were trying to do at that spot.
>


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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-03 Thread bodhisattva
One thing to add, and I cannot believe nobody has tried this. I 
discovered it totally by accident, back in my early days of 
experimenting with stones and various other things.


When something fries your energy field, which Rife does.  Take a nice 
amethyst point, place it on the top of your head (Crown).  Within 60 
seconds your etheric shield drops to about 1%, then builds back up to 
100% (within 60-90 seconds). Repairing your non-physical "Blue Print", 
reversing the damage.  Ask anyone that can see energy fields, or muscle 
test them to verify this, and post your results. So with that in mind, I 
recommend after most any EMF type therapies, this procedure is done.


Also, Frances Nixon discovered a method to restore your energy field 
back, reverse all radiation damage. She wrote extensive information on 
the human energetics long before most people even knew about much of 
this stuff.


/4) THE SEA-SALT & SODA BATH. [Please keep an OPEN MIND.] /
/> Fill a bathtub with moderately warm water so the level /
/> comes up almost to the overflow drain when you get in. /
/> Immerse yourself in it for a minute, and then completely /
/> dissolve in the bath water 1 pound of SUN-evaporated SEA-salt /
/> (regular salt won't work.) and 1 pound of fresh baking-soda. /
/> Soak in this bath for 10 to 20 minutes, while exercising /
/> your fingers, toes, and limbs, turning sideways and onto your /
/> stomach, dunking your head, sitting up and laying back down, /
/> chomping your teeth together, etc.. /
/> Among other things, the SEA-salt & Soda Bath neutralizes /
/> the accumulated effects of X-rays, etc., as described in the /
/> book "Born To Be Magnetic, Vol. 2", by Frances Nixon, 1973. /
/> PRECAUTIONS: Only the ONE person using each bath should /
/> prepare it and drain it. /
/> For at least 30 minutes after taking the bath, stay away /
/> from, and even out of sight of, other people. (Your greatly /
/> expanded Aura energy-field during that time could disrupt /
/> other people's fields.) /
/> Two hours after the bath, eat at least 8 ounces of yogurt /
/> containing ACTIVE Yogurt Cultures. (The bath may kill /
/> FRIENDLY bacteria also.) Better yet, take a 2-Billion- /
/> bacteria "Acidophilus" capsule, which is also an EXCELLENT /
/> DAILY REMEDY AGAINST THE EFFECTS OF "A.I.D.S." (because it /
/> kills all kinds of harmful bacteria in the digestive tract, /
/> taking a big load off the remaining immune system). [Because /
/> this external bath can kill IN-ternal bacteria, it may also /
/> be a CURE for "Lyme disease".] /
/> Do NOT take this bath within a few hundred miles of a thunder /
/> storm, within 3 days of a full moon, nor during "Major" or /
/> "Minor Periods" as listed in the "Solunar Tables" published /
/> bimonthly in "Field & Stream" Magazine, (because of the /
/> measurable disruptive ambient environmental energy-fields /
/> present at those times). /
/> Do NOT take this bath more than four times per year. /





*From:* Marshall Dudley 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Mon, May 3, 2010 2:25:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Zapper

Polarity makes no difference. For instance if you take a Clark zapper, 
and switch hands, then it works just as well.  DNA is wound like a 
spring.  And just like a spring, it has a resonant frequency.  Hit it 
with that frequency (Rife), and it will break apart.  Now DNA is 
pretty resilient stuff, and if the parts that break apart don't drift 
apart, they can recombine and become one again.  Both the Clark and 
Beck zappers rely on sharp edged square wave pulses to generate a 
harmonic near the resonant frequency.  The Fourier expansion of a 
square wave has all multiples of that frequency, so if you pick a 
frequency that is not to high it will have harmonics that are very 
close to resonance for a pathogen.  Apply the square wave, and the DNA 
tends to break apart. Now when DNA breaks apart different pieces have 
different electric charges, and thus have a tug toward either the 
positive or negative electrode.  However if the polarity changes 
direction, they will tend to drift back together and recombine 
becoming whole again. So there MUST be a DC component to the field to 
continue pulling the pieces apart until they are so far apart that 
they will not get back together again (or in the case of Rife hit it 
with so much energy at the resonant frequency it doesn't just break 
but shatters). This can be done either of two ways.  1. If using a 
frequency of 20 Khz or so, make it unipolar instead of bipolar, so 
that there is a DC field overriding the square wave at all times. This 
is the Clark approach.  2. Use such a low frequency that the pieces 
are pulled so far apart 

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-03 Thread Tel Tofflemire
Marshall Dudley, You old timer You, You got it right !  So far your the only 
one that I seen that did get it right.

Way to go,  Or  Way to Know !
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: Marshall Dudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 2:25:29 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper

Polarity makes no difference. For instance if you take a Clark zapper, and 
switch hands, then it works just as well.  DNA is wound like a spring.  And 
just like a spring, it has a resonant frequency.  Hit it with that frequency 
(Rife), and it will break apart.  Now DNA is pretty resilient stuff, and if the 
parts that break apart don't drift apart, they can recombine and become one 
again.  Both the Clark and Beck zappers rely on sharp edged square wave pulses 
to generate a harmonic near the resonant frequency.  The Fourier expansion of a 
square wave has all multiples of that frequency, so if you pick a frequency 
that is not to high it will have harmonics that are very close to resonance for 
a pathogen.  Apply the square wave, and the DNA tends to break apart. Now when 
DNA breaks apart different pieces have different electric charges, and thus 
have a tug toward either the positive or negative electrode.  However if the 
polarity changes direction, they will
 tend to drift back together and recombine becoming whole again. So there MUST 
be a DC component to the field to continue pulling the pieces apart until they 
are so far apart that they will not get back together again (or in the case of 
Rife hit it with so much energy at the resonant frequency it doesn't just break 
but shatters). This can be done either of two ways.  1. If using a frequency of 
20 Khz or so, make it unipolar instead of bipolar, so that there is a DC field 
overriding the square wave at all times. This is the Clark approach.  2. Use 
such a low frequency that the pieces are pulled so far apart that even though 
the polarity reverses, they will still not be able to find each other again due 
to random motion during that time. This is the Beck approach.  They both work, 
Beck has the advantage that one of the harmonics will likely be closer to the 
resonance than the Clark unit, and Clark has the advantage that it is hitting 
it with the pulse
 1,000 to 2,000 times as often, so even if the resonant efficiency is less, it 
is made up for by the high repetition rate.

As for the question of killing with one "polarity" or the other, then yes. For 
the Beck unit when you shift polarity, the next leading edge, either up or 
down, will cause DNA to break, and the electric field during that half wave 
will cause the parts to drift apart. In the case of the Clark unit, for the 
positive pulse, they break apart and the field pulls them apart a little bit.  
During  the ground pulse, the falling edge will also cause breakage, but with 
no electric field, some of the pieces will find each other again, but with the 
positive pulse coming so quickly (50 microseconds) most likely they will 
experience the separating field as well before they can recombine.

Marshall

Bob Banever wrote:
> Marshall,
> 
> Well if that's true then why would the polarity make any difference
> 
> at all... BOTH polarities supposedly kill germs... so if you're killing with
> 
> one you'd also be killing with the other... no?
> - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 12:09 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Zapper
> 
> 
>> Bob Banever wrote:
>>> Switching polarity doesn't negate the effects.  If you kill a germ using 
>>> one polarity and then switch to another will the germ be brought back to 
>>> life?  Don't think so!
>>> 
>> Well, actually yeah, kind of.  If you tear the dna apart in a germ, it is 
>> basically dead, but if the dna reconnects and becomes whole again, yeah, it 
>> will be alive again. If you reverse the polarity, the dna fragments will 
>> drift back together and reconnect, thus the necessity for the DC offset to 
>> Keep Em'  Dead. Just like you can be dead in the emergency room and come 
>> back to life if the proper treatment is preformed.
>> 
>> Marshall
>> 
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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-03 Thread cking001
A really nice analysis, Marshall.

Chuck
Living with saints is tougher than being one.


On 5/3/2010 5:25:29 PM, Marshall Dudley (mdud...@king-cart.com) wrote:
> Polarity makes no difference. For instance if you take a Clark zapper,
> and switch hands, then it works just as well.  DNA is wound like a
> spring.  And just like a spring, it has a resonant frequency.  Hit it
> with that frequency (Rife), and it will break apart.  Now DNA is pretty
> resilient stuff, and if the parts that break apart
> don't drift apart,
> they can recombine and become one again.  Both the Clark and Beck
> zappers rely on sharp edged square wave pulses to generate a harmonic
> near the resonant frequency.  The Fourier expansion of a square wave has
> all multiples of that frequency, so if you pick a frequency that is not
> to high it will have harmonics that are very close to resonance for a
> pathogen.  Apply the square wave, and the DNA tends to break apart. Now
> when DNA breaks apart different pieces have different electric charges,
> and thus have a tug toward either the positive or negative electrode.
> However if the polarity changes direction, they will tend to drift back
> together and recombine becoming whole again. So there MUST be a DC
> component to the field to continue pulling the pieces apart until they
> are so far apart that they will not get back together again (or in the
> case of Rife hit it with so much ener


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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-03 Thread Del
My wife sees her frequently for spinal and hip adjustments.
I'll have her ask about it.
My guess is, she never heard of it, but would be willing to try it.
Couldn't do any harm.

Del
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 10:21 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Zapper


  Hey Del -- ask him (her?) if he ever uses it on bites.  I'd be curious to 
know!
  MA




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  Hey, this is really good to know.
  Our chiropractor has the muscle stimulation machine too.
  Makes sense that it might work on bites, but I never thought of it before.

  Del
- Original Message - 
From: MaryAnn Helland 


Hey Ode!  Just catching up on email, and I read yours.  I don't always 
understand your posts, and maybe I'm not understanding your question here 
correctly -- but if I am, then the answer is yes.  My chiropractor routinely 
alters the chemistry of venom with electricity.  He has an electro-stim 
machine, which uses self-adhesive pads attached to wires attached to the 
machine -- through which electricity is conveyed to whatever spot on your body. 
 Typically, this machine is used to deep-stimulte muscles -- such as back 
muscles -- to get them to release from spasms.  But he also uses this machine 
on bites -- snake, brown recluse, tick, bee or wasp stings, etc. -- and it 
neutralizes the proteins/toxins of the venoms.  It works so well on tick bites, 
that I have begun to use my Godzilla to self-treat tick bites successfully.  
Think I'd still head for him if I got a brown recluse bite, though!




 



Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-03 Thread Marshall Dudley
Polarity makes no difference. For instance if you take a Clark zapper, 
and switch hands, then it works just as well.  DNA is wound like a 
spring.  And just like a spring, it has a resonant frequency.  Hit it 
with that frequency (Rife), and it will break apart.  Now DNA is pretty 
resilient stuff, and if the parts that break apart don't drift apart, 
they can recombine and become one again.  Both the Clark and Beck 
zappers rely on sharp edged square wave pulses to generate a harmonic 
near the resonant frequency.  The Fourier expansion of a square wave has 
all multiples of that frequency, so if you pick a frequency that is not 
to high it will have harmonics that are very close to resonance for a 
pathogen.  Apply the square wave, and the DNA tends to break apart. Now 
when DNA breaks apart different pieces have different electric charges, 
and thus have a tug toward either the positive or negative electrode.  
However if the polarity changes direction, they will tend to drift back 
together and recombine becoming whole again. So there MUST be a DC 
component to the field to continue pulling the pieces apart until they 
are so far apart that they will not get back together again (or in the 
case of Rife hit it with so much energy at the resonant frequency it 
doesn't just break but shatters). This can be done either of two ways.  
1. If using a frequency of 20 Khz or so, make it unipolar instead of 
bipolar, so that there is a DC field overriding the square wave at all 
times. This is the Clark approach.  2. Use such a low frequency that the 
pieces are pulled so far apart that even though the polarity reverses, 
they will still not be able to find each other again due to random 
motion during that time. This is the Beck approach.  They both work, 
Beck has the advantage that one of the harmonics will likely be closer 
to the resonance than the Clark unit, and Clark has the advantage that 
it is hitting it with the pulse 1,000 to 2,000 times as often, so even 
if the resonant efficiency is less, it is made up for by the high 
repetition rate.


As for the question of killing with one "polarity" or the other, then 
yes. For the Beck unit when you shift polarity, the next leading edge, 
either up or down, will cause DNA to break, and the electric field 
during that half wave will cause the parts to drift apart. In the case 
of the Clark unit, for the positive pulse, they break apart and the 
field pulls them apart a little bit.  During  the ground pulse, the 
falling edge will also cause breakage, but with no electric field, some 
of the pieces will find each other again, but with the positive pulse 
coming so quickly (50 microseconds) most likely they will experience the 
separating field as well before they can recombine.


Marshall

Bob Banever wrote:

Marshall,

Well if that's true then why would the polarity make any 
difference


at all... BOTH polarities supposedly kill germs... so if you're 
killing with


one you'd also be killing with the other... no?
- Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper



Bob Banever wrote:
Switching polarity doesn't negate the effects.  If you kill a germ 
using one polarity and then switch to another will the germ be 
brought back to life?  Don't think so!


Well, actually yeah, kind of.  If you tear the dna apart in a germ, 
it is basically dead, but if the dna reconnects and becomes whole 
again, yeah, it will be alive again. If you reverse the polarity, the 
dna fragments will drift back together and reconnect, thus the 
necessity for the DC offset to Keep Em'  Dead. Just like you can be 
dead in the emergency room and come back to life if the proper 
treatment is preformed.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-03 Thread Bob Banever

Marshall,

Well if that's true then why would the polarity make any difference 
at all... BOTH polarities supposedly kill germs... so if you're killing with 
one you'd also be killing with the other... no?
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper



Bob Banever wrote:
Switching polarity doesn't negate the effects.  If you kill a germ using 
one polarity and then switch to another will the germ be brought back to 
life?  Don't think so!


Well, actually yeah, kind of.  If you tear the dna apart in a germ, it is 
basically dead, but if the dna reconnects and becomes whole again, yeah, 
it will be alive again. If you reverse the polarity, the dna fragments 
will drift back together and reconnect, thus the necessity for the DC 
offset to Keep Em'  Dead. Just like you can be dead in the emergency room 
and come back to life if the proper treatment is preformed.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-03 Thread Marshall Dudley

Bob Banever wrote:
Switching polarity doesn't negate the effects.  If you kill a germ 
using one polarity and then switch to another will the germ be brought 
back to life?  Don't think so!
 
Well, actually yeah, kind of.  If you tear the dna apart in a germ, it 
is basically dead, but if the dna reconnects and becomes whole again, 
yeah, it will be alive again. If you reverse the polarity, the dna 
fragments will drift back together and reconnect, thus the necessity for 
the DC offset to Keep Em'  Dead. Just like you can be dead in the 
emergency room and come back to life if the proper treatment is preformed.


Marshall


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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-03 Thread Ode Coyote



  There may be a point in  very slow frequency polarity change as that 
would allow much the chemicals to enter the blood stream and escape 
neutralization as the slower  moving part IN the skin doesn't...and gets 
the chemical build up there relieved...maybe preventing "burning"


I think Becks 4 cycles per second is too fast...unless that's pulsed DC 
which would slow down chemical production over all, yet may allow for a 
higher voltage to speed those ion products along faster and therefore 
deeper to be washed away better...without the effects of the higher current 
that comes along with the higher voltage being so much of a problem.


 Like with making CS ?
Current = volume /rate of ion production
 Voltage = velocity of ions away from the electrode.

That would be that "DC offset."...to prevent buildup.
 When making CS, it takes some amount of time for production to get going, 
it's not instant to the full rate [ wild guess at 24 volts...around 10 
seconds with electrodes 1.5" apart ]


Postulating on AC square wave 50% duty cycle: 10 seconds to neutralize and 
another ten to reach full production of the opposing ions for a 20 second 
period where nothing much is going on.
 I hear of the bodies "capacitor effect" and that could explain how that 
works


 And the reason that a pole change or a pulse can wiggle you a bit is due 
to the process happening in the nerves which are MADE to react fast to 
changes with a specific electrochemical process designed to do that  even 
when operating at a higher than normal [ but static?] baseline.


Ode

At 06:28 AM 5/2/2010 -0700, you wrote:

OK -- here's another message I found from last Wednesday.

If you're right, and switching polarity negates the use of the unit in the 
first place -- then what's the point of it all?  Would one, instead, 
simply use one polarity as long as tolerable?

MA


From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net

Yea, that's the basic idea.
>
>
At 05:44 AM 4/27/2010 -0700, you wrote:
>Ode -- are you saying that by switching polarity, you're undoing whatever
>good you're doing by using the unit in the first place?
>MA (confused)
>
>
>From: Ode Coyote 
odecoy...@windstream.net

>
>
>PS  Switching polarity inputs the opposing electrochemical, neutralizing
>what you were trying to do at that spot.
>


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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-03 Thread Bob Banever
Switching polarity doesn't negate the effects.  If you kill a germ using one 
polarity and then switch to another will the germ be brought back to life?  
Don't think so!

Bob
  - Original Message - 
  From: Peter Converse 
  To: MaryAnn Helland ; silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:33 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Zapper


  Hi Mary Ann,

  It has been advised on the Microelectricitygermkiller group to switch 
polarity at five minute intervals to avoid the possibility of pain which can 
develop in the fingers if this is not done. Apparently, someone who was not 
switching polarity ended up with fairly severe pain after ignoring the advice.

  If polarity switching effectively cancels out any effectiveness of using the 
Zilla why then do people get huge herxes and why do reports of condition 
improvements exist? Pacebo effect is something I can accept as a possible 
partial explanation for improvements but for herxing??

  Peter
- Original Message - 
From: MaryAnn Helland 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper


OK -- here's another message I found from last Wednesday.

If you're right, and switching polarity negates the use of the unit in the 
first place -- then what's the point of it all?  Would one, instead, simply use 
one polarity as long as tolerable?
MA






From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net

Yea, that's the basic idea.
>
>
At 05:44 AM 4/27/2010 -0700, you wrote:
>Ode -- are you saying that by switching polarity, you're undoing whatever 
>good you're doing by using the unit in the first place?
>MA (confused)
>
>
>From: Ode Coyote <mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net>odecoy...@windstream.net
>
>
>PS  Switching polarity inputs the opposing electrochemical, neutralizing 
>what you were trying to do at that spot.
>


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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-03 Thread Peter Converse
Hi Mary Ann,

It has been advised on the Microelectricitygermkiller group to switch polarity 
at five minute intervals to avoid the possibility of pain which can develop in 
the fingers if this is not done. Apparently, someone who was not switching 
polarity ended up with fairly severe pain after ignoring the advice.

If polarity switching effectively cancels out any effectiveness of using the 
Zilla why then do people get huge herxes and why do reports of condition 
improvements exist? Pacebo effect is something I can accept as a possible 
partial explanation for improvements but for herxing??

Peter
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 9:28 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Zapper


  OK -- here's another message I found from last Wednesday.

  If you're right, and switching polarity negates the use of the unit in the 
first place -- then what's the point of it all?  Would one, instead, simply use 
one polarity as long as tolerable?
  MA




--

  From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net

  Yea, that's the basic idea.
  >
  >
  At 05:44 AM 4/27/2010 -0700, you wrote:
  >Ode -- are you saying that by switching polarity, you're undoing whatever 
  >good you're doing by using the unit in the first place?
  >MA (confused)
  >
  >
  >From: Ode Coyote <mailto:odecoy...@windstream.net>odecoy...@windstream.net
  >
  >
  >PS  Switching polarity inputs the opposing electrochemical, neutralizing 
  >what you were trying to do at that spot.
  >


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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-02 Thread MaryAnn Helland
Hey Del -- ask him (her?) if he ever uses it on bites.  I'd be curious to know!
MA





From: Del d...@altsystem.com


Hey, this is really good to know.
Our chiropractor has the muscle stimulation machine too.
Makes sense that it might work on bites, but I never thought of it before.

Del
- Original Message - 
>From: MaryAnn Helland 
>
>
>Hey Ode!  Just catching up on email, and I read yours.  I don't always 
>understand your posts, and maybe I'm not understanding your question here 
>correctly -- but if I am, then the answer is yes.  My chiropractor routinely 
>alters the chemistry of venom with electricity.  He has an electro-stim 
>machine, which uses self-adhesive pads attached to wires attached to the 
>machine -- through which electricity is conveyed to whatever spot on your 
>body.  Typically, this machine is used to deep-stimulte muscles -- such as 
>back muscles -- to get them to release from spasms.  But he also uses this 
>machine on bites -- snake, brown recluse, tick, bee or wasp stings, etc. -- 
>and it neutralizes the proteins/toxins of the venoms.  It works so well on 
>tick bites, that I have begun to use my Godzilla to self-treat tick bites 
>successfully.  Think I'd still head for him if I got a brown recluse bite, 
>though!
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-02 Thread Del
Hey, this is really good to know.
Our chiropractor has the muscle stimulation machine too.
Makes sense that it might work on bites, but I never thought of it before.

Del
  - Original Message - 
  From: MaryAnn Helland 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 1:01 PM
  Subject: Fw: CS>Zapper


  I sent this message at 8:20 this morning -- but forgot to trim!!
  


  Hey Ode!  Just catching up on email, and I read yours.  I don't always 
understand your posts, and maybe I'm not understanding your question here 
correctly -- but if I am, then the answer is yes.  My chiropractor routinely 
alters the chemistry of venom with electricity.  He has an electro-stim 
machine, which uses self-adhesive pads attached to wires attached to the 
machine -- through which electricity is conveyed to whatever spot on your body. 
 Typically, this machine is used to deep-stimulte muscles -- such as back 
muscles -- to get them to release from spasms.  But he also uses this machine 
on bites -- snake, brown recluse, tick, bee or wasp stings, etc. -- and it 
neutralizes the proteins/toxins of the venoms.  It works so well on tick bites, 
that I have begun to use my Godzilla to self-treat tick bites successfully.  
Think I'd still head for him if I got a brown recluse bite, though!
  MA  




--
  From: Ode Coyote 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 5:07:14 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Zapper



  Next question:  Can venom be altered by altering the chemistry of the blood 
with an electrical current?
  I'd say likely so.
  Note that most "itch sticks" have ammonium as the base.. a caustic substance.
  "Pee on jelly fish stings"..ammonium again.
  Ammonium Hydroxide...Sodium Hydroxide.  Alkaline.



   



Fw: CS>Zapper

2010-05-02 Thread MaryAnn Helland
I sent this message at 8:20 this morning -- but forgot to trim!!



Hey Ode!  Just catching up on email, and I read yours.  I don't always 
understand your posts, and maybe I'm not understanding your question here 
correctly -- but if I am, then the answer is yes.  My chiropractor routinely 
alters the chemistry of venom with electricity.  He has an electro-stim 
machine, which uses self-adhesive pads attached to wires attached to the 
machine -- through which electricity is conveyed to whatever spot on your 
body.  Typically, this machine is used to deep-stimulte muscles -- such as back 
muscles -- to get them to release from spasms.  But he also uses this machine 
on bites -- snake, brown recluse, tick, bee or wasp stings, etc. -- and it 
neutralizes the proteins/toxins of the venoms.  It works so well on tick bites, 
that I have begun to use my Godzilla to self-treat tick bites successfully.  
Think I'd still head for him if I got a brown recluse bite, though!
MA  





From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 5:07:14 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper



Next question:  Can venom be altered by altering the chemistry of the blood 
with an electrical current?
I'd say likely so.
Note that most "itch sticks" have ammonium as the base.. a caustic substance.
"Pee on jelly fish stings"..ammonium again.
Ammonium Hydroxide...Sodium Hydroxide.  Alkaline.

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-05-02 Thread MaryAnn Helland
OK -- here's another message I found from last Wednesday.

If you're right, and switching polarity negates the use of the unit in the 
first place -- then what's the point of it all?  Would one, instead, simply use 
one polarity as long as tolerable?
MA





From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net

>
>
At 05:44 AM 4/27/2010 -0700, you wrote:
>Ode -- are you saying that by switching polarity, you're undoing whatever 
>good you're doing by using the unit in the first place?
>MA (confused)
>
>
>From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net
>
>
>PS  Switching polarity inputs the opposing electrochemical, neutralizing 
>what you were trying to do at that spot.
>


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Yea, that's the basic idea.

Re: CS>Zapper/ HELP & 'CAUTION'...for Kirsteen?

2010-04-30 Thread bodhisattva
/The various CROFT unit(s) are also closely based on 
CLARK theme, at 20-kHz Freq./
/that once again...has not convinced me (IMO), that even with 
Orgonite...IT WORKS?/
/Orgone Technology is considered 'Pseudo-Science'...not based on Real 
Technology/
/and typically when I see Orgonite included in product-discussion, 
raises Red Flag's!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone see Quackwatch 
Link-at-End, of Orogone WiKi...  (CROFT...basically same as CLARK, with 
Orgonite, Xtals, Magnets...for Marketing!)/


Croft Zappers /*do not*/ run at 20hz. I own 2 of them, and don't need 
convincing, /*I have blood tests that prove they reduce virus load*/, 
and kill pathogens.  If you know nothing about Orgone, then please don't 
talk about it, or you make yourself sound silly.  Crystals have very 
clear scientific properties, Amethyst for example gives off measurable 
negative ions and FAR. IBM's chief researcher proved without a doubt, 
under laboratory conditions, that crystals do in fact have some pretty 
amazing properties. If anyone doubts orgone,  I'd be happy to send a 
piece if you pay for postage, toss it next to your bed, then come back 
here and tell everyone it doesn't work - ready to take the challenge?  
The best part about Orgonite is it doesn't require any  belief to do 
something, in fact, I encourage people to believe it does nothing!


Quackwatch? I guess you aren't aware, the man in charge of that site is 
funded by Big-Pharma, and himself isn't actually a licensed doctor.  Its 
basically a well funded, covert dis-information website. Even mentioning 
Quackwatch pretty much destroyed your credibility with me.  Mr. (Not 
Dr.) Barret has been revealed to be the charlatan he really is already, 
on countless other lists, and countless amounts of evidence to back it up.


Dok Dallas wrote:
Sorry could not reply earlier, but off-line for several 
days...I'm still scanning stack 750+
emails, wondering why Zillions of NET-TRONS...being abused, 
Running-in-Circles?
My goodness...looked like another "INDI-500" event (Older 
Members will get humor ];-)
 
First off, I'm NOT QUALIFIED to Provide (ANY) 
MEDICAL ADVICE, but can...offer my
Engineering Resources, to perhaps help you penetrate the Fog-of-Zapper 
Products..?
 
All recent (pathogen) ZAPPERS are based on either 
FREQUENCY/(cell-shakers), or
much older (dating to late 1880's) Electro-Medical Field...of 
GALVANIC/(ION-PUMP).
Prior to 1940's/50's, GALVANIC Medical/Surgical devices were widely 
used in U.S.A.
School friend's Father in 1950's was an MD using Galvanic/Treatment 
devices, I Saw.
 
Dr. Robert O. Becker first studied LVDC/(micro-current), 
Iontophoresis...1970's~>90's.
Fall of 1990, Dr's. Kaali & Leyman used DC micro-currents off Platinum 
electrodes, to
de-activate pathogenic organisms, later enhanced in 1991, by Dr. 
Robert C. Beck who introduced 4-Hz Bi-Phasic ION-TRAP/PUMP, 
to offer first IN-VIRO/BIO-SAFE Zapper~
BECK used 0.67~>4 Hz BiPhasic DC reversal, to Orchestrate/Trap, IONIC 
migrations! 
 
Becks 4Hz Zapper Traps/NIXs...all "BAD" ION activity within 1~3 mm of 
SS electrode
then lets BIO-SAFE Na+ Ion in Salt Water, enter body via sweat-ducts, 
osmosis, etc.
Risk of ION-MIGRATION is ZERO @ 4Hz Trap...Safe Na+ Ion's 
(Push/Pull)...1~3mm?
Lot-of-speculation, on what happens inside-body, but Cells 
Do-Use...Na+/K+ PUMPS

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaKATPase 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrophysiology
  
DC (metallic) Electrodes, at Liquid-Interface, promote Interfacial 
(Nernst) Electrolysis,
with (+) Electrode making Acids and (-) Electrode making Alkalies, 
like~LYE/(NaOH).
Serious RISK, known since the 1850's...Beck's 4-Hz ION-TRAP, 
Neutralized Danger~   
 
BTW: All EIS Generators are Technically Ag+ ION Pumps & WE-LOVE Ag+ 
IONS (;-)
GODZILLA is Modified Beck (Galvanic) ION-PUMP...without, ION-SAFETY 
Features!!!
After only few seconds steady DC...ZILLA-is-a-KILLA...Ions and Lye, 
Going-Maverick!
ZILLA users are told "EVERYTHING-is-OK", if you swap (+/-) wire @ 30 
sec~>5 min.!
Inexpensive pH Test strip(s)...one under (-) Trode and one under (+) 
Trode, shows pH!
Litmus pH Skin Test 
 http://catalog.miniscience.com/catalog/pH_Papers/Default.html
 
On June 20, 2008...LYE/(NaOH)/DRAINO-RASH WARNINGS POSTED to Y-GROUP!
Both owner 'bG' & member 'V' continuing to either Promote/Sell 
'DC-ZILLA' Products~

leading to hundreds-more, Getting LYE-BURNS & TOXIC-IONS...PUMPED in BODY?
(ION-FLAVORS included; Cream-0-Copper, Nasty-Nickle & 
Aluminum-for-Alzheimers)
 
NOTE: ZILLA Group owner "bG" Approves/Blocks POST...so 
members...Live-in-Dark
while being told NOTHING WRONG, burns-are-normal...just back-off 
and try Alovera.
Zilla, Insight~> http://tinyurl.com/yehrubn  WARNING: showing very 
Graphic Burns..!
(Hopefully ZILLA users will WAKE-UP to GALVANIC/ION-DANGERS before 
too-late)
 
Not my Group, but I wrote 
cover:  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/TRONS4BECK 
(As time permits...may assist Trons, to NIX some Technical Distortions 
on

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-30 Thread Rowena
Of all the sources I would trust my health to, Wikipedia is about the 
last on my list.  In fact, it isn't even on my list.
Whether they get their science right I am not qualified to judge, but as 
they can't get very simple things right in some other fields (e.g. facts 
demonstrated by census and obituary records) and correcting them is not 
easy (or possible as far as I can judge) and as they seem to have a very 
biased agenda, all their information is suspect to me.


I also object to your comments on V and bG in respect of the Zilla.

I don't know who you are but your writing style sounds familiar.

Rowena

On 30/04/2010 11:51 AM, Dok Dallas wrote:
Wish I had more TIME to get (seriously) involved in this discussion, 
but-don't

so let me input a few-words and try to nudge Ode & Marshal toward FACTS~
I most likely, will not be back on-line again, until Sunday or 
Monday...Enjoy?


*Best I can do is perhaps offer a few-more "WiKi" 
LINKS...to further QUEST?*


CS>zapper....@^@/...No Burns?

2010-04-29 Thread Dok Dallas

































Wish I had more TIME to get (seriously) involved in this discussion, but-don't
so let me input a few-words and try to nudge Ode & Marshal toward FACTS~
I most likely, will not be back on-line again, until Sunday or Monday...Enjoy?
 

BECK Zappers, EIS Generators and Electro Plating...use Electro-Chemistry
and all (three) are based on IONS/(+Cations & -Anions) in Voltage Gradient~ 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrochemistry   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion
 


Changing SS electrode to Ag is possible, but then NOT Beck BE, more later,
If you switch Beck 'BE' to Ag+ (Iontophoresis-pump)...then study Dr. Becker~
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Body_Electric  (This is main Ref. Dr. Becker)
(Beck 'BE'...designed to FOCUS on 20~30" length, of Blood Path, not BODY) 
 
NO, PURE-RESISTORS/(NIT) Non-Inductive-Type, do not slow-up electrons,
Resistors reduce Current, nothing extra!  [LM-334] C.C. Chip (1uA~>10mA).
Beck's 27 volts & Higher ADJ. resistance...exploit (inherent) current-limiting
ratios against lower 1.5k~3k ohms (estimated) at wrist entry & 20~30" path.
(Beck 'BE' Typically operates...less-than 2~4volt across Loaded Electrodes)
 
ZILLA has unknown Body Impedance, Electrode Size & Body Currents vary!
Yes, even DC~ZILLAS, using IONS to Kill Pathogens, but NOT, BIO-SAFE!!!
Galvanic DC-ZILLA (after few seconds) is producing NaOH/DRAINO-BURNS!
DC-ZILLA Also Pumps (potentially) NEURO-TOXIC Metal IONS...into BODY!

http://tinyurl.com/yehrubn  WARNING: Shows very Graphic DC~LIE Burns..!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lye  (GODZILLA-RASH IT'S DRAINO~HAZARD!!!

(ZILLA...total BASTARDIZATION, of everything BECK Engineered, as SAFE)
 
NO, I don't know (exact) Pathogenic 'KILL' mechanism involving DC/IONICS
and seriously doubt...if Beck, Becker, or Anyone-Else knows 100% for sure.
bottom line being...when Pathogen...in Galvanic/DC voltage-gradient...DIES~
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmembrane_potential_difference (Good Ref.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaKATPase  (Speculation 'ATP'...part-of-Killing?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_channel (See: Disease-Ref./Poisions & Ions)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrophysiology (Basic Science of working-Ion)
 
FYI: I knew Dr. Beck between 1982~1985, but not sure he had his, DSc. yet
and back when I knew him...that was years-before he developed BECK 'BE'?
Both EE's...IEEE, in Orange Co...we shared a few common (midnight/hobby)
interest...EEG/Bio-Feedback ckts., BW-Entrainment, Magnetometers, etc.~ 
 
BE-Secret, Beck never mentioned ION-TRAP...explaining it, wasted-his-time.
Beck had CLEAR directions to use 4hz/BiPhasic+316SS+NaCl+"Sock"! 

Godzilla & Sponge Bob, NOT into Electrochemistry...Win, DRAINO Awards~ 
If it was "PACE PICANTE" TV-Commercial...about now saying...Get-a-Rope?
 
Yes Ode, the Secret ION-TRAP is in thin-wall of a SOCK/(wrapper), spacing
both (BiPhasic +/- DC) SS/(metallic) Trode's few-mm gap, for ION's to swim.
At 4Hz, that gives 8 (+/-) DC reversals/sec., or 125 mS gate/Time-to-Swim...
At .67Hz it gives 2 (+/-) DC reversals/sec. for...750 mS gate/Time-to-Swim...
Beck defined above TRAP SAFETY limits...longer time...Trode-Ions escape!
 
DC (voltage-gradient) across = [(+)TRODE]~>{TRAP=NaCl+H20}~>[SKIN(-)]
Then next (-/+) reversal, with = [(-)TRODE]<~{TRAP=NaCl+H20}<~[SKIN(+)]
Durring (+) gate-times electrolysis pushing~>Na+ ION out-of TRAP~>[SKIN]
Durring (-) gate-times, electrolysis...pulling<~Na+ IONs, into TRAP<~[SKIN]
 
Thus: (Na+) Cations & (Cl-) Anions Loop/(migrate) 1~3 mm/125-ms =TRAP!  
Alternate (+/-) cycles...NaOH & HCl are created, then Back, into Salt-Water
all within 250-mS...without LYE/DRAINO BURN, yet Na+ION<~Push/Pull~>
with SAFE (Na+) & (Cl-) IONIC MIGRATION, moving 1-3 mm IN/OUT, SKIN~
Several easy ion-paths into/out-of body, electro-osmosis, sweat ducts, etc.? 
It's that SIMPLE, Beck was a clever Physcistist, NOT, into LIZARD/TRICKS!
(OK, for simplicity...left out showing (Cl-) anion and Gas' loss...you get Idea)
 
Dok Dallas 

--- On Wed, 4/28/10, Ode Coyote  wrote:

From: Ode Coyote 
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, April 28, 2010, 3:07 AM

Then it's the sock AND the skin. Also 4hz (+/-/+/-)..!!!
Conductive pad..."wet"...to distribute the electro-chemicals [of whatever sort] 
over a wider area so they don't concentrate so much.(Not in Beck Zapper, used 
in older...Devices) 
What chemistry transports electrons in the sock may not be the same as in the 
skin, but what's at and under the skin is the same when it gets there...salt. 
(It's Na+ & Cl- Ions..!)

Sure, if you expose a pathogen to the current directly, you get a direct kill, 
but HOW does it kill even then? (Not sure anyone knows HOW...Perhaps da '

Re: CS>Zapper/ HELP & 'CAUTION'...for Kirsteen?

2010-04-29 Thread Dok Dallas












































Sorry could not reply earlier, but off-line for several 
days...I'm still scanning stack 750+

emails, wondering why Zillions of NET-TRONS...being abused, 
Running-in-Circles?
My goodness...looked like another "INDI-500" event (Older Members will get 
humor ];-)
 

First off, I'm NOT QUALIFIED to Provide (ANY) MEDICAL ADVICE, but can...offer my
Engineering Resources, to perhaps help you penetrate the Fog-of-Zapper 
Products..?
 
All recent (pathogen) ZAPPERS are based on either FREQUENCY/(cell-shakers), or
much older (dating to late 1880's) Electro-Medical Field...of 
GALVANIC/(ION-PUMP).
Prior to 1940's/50's, GALVANIC Medical/Surgical devices were widely used in 
U.S.A.
School friend's Father in 1950's was an MD using Galvanic/Treatment devices, I 
Saw.
 
Dr. Robert O. Becker first studied LVDC/(micro-current), 
Iontophoresis...1970's~>90's.
Fall of 1990, Dr's. Kaali & Leyman used DC micro-currents off Platinum 
electrodes, to
de-activate pathogenic organisms, later enhanced in 1991, by Dr. Robert C. Beck 
who introduced 4-Hz Bi-Phasic ION-TRAP/PUMP, to offer first IN-VIRO/BIO-SAFE 
Zapper~
BECK used 0.67~>4 Hz BiPhasic DC reversal, to Orchestrate/Trap, IONIC 
migrations! 
 

Becks 4Hz Zapper Traps/NIXs...all "BAD" ION activity within 1~3 mm of SS 
electrode
then lets BIO-SAFE Na+ Ion in Salt Water, enter body via sweat-ducts, osmosis, 
etc.
Risk of ION-MIGRATION is ZERO @ 4Hz Trap...Safe Na+ Ion's (Push/Pull)...1~3mm?
Lot-of-speculation, on what happens inside-body, but Cells Do-Use...Na+/K+ PUMPS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaKATPase http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrophysiology
  

DC (metallic) Electrodes, at Liquid-Interface, promote Interfacial (Nernst) 
Electrolysis,
with (+) Electrode making Acids and (-) Electrode making Alkalies, 
like~LYE/(NaOH).
Serious RISK, known since the 1850's...Beck's 4-Hz ION-TRAP, 
Neutralized Danger~   

 

BTW: All EIS Generators are Technically Ag+ ION Pumps & WE-LOVE Ag+ IONS (;-)
GODZILLA is Modified Beck (Galvanic) ION-PUMP...without, ION-SAFETY Features!!!
After only few seconds steady DC...ZILLA-is-a-KILLA...Ions and Lye, 
Going-Maverick!
ZILLA users are told "EVERYTHING-is-OK", if you swap (+/-) wire @ 30 sec~>5 
min.!


Inexpensive pH Test strip(s)...one under (-) Trode and one under (+) Trode, 
shows pH!
Litmus pH Skin Test  
http://catalog.miniscience.com/catalog/pH_Papers/Default.html
 
On June 20, 2008...LYE/(NaOH)/DRAINO-RASH WARNINGS POSTED to Y-GROUP!
Both owner 'bG' & member 'V' continuing to either Promote/Sell 'DC-ZILLA' 
Products~
leading to hundreds-more, Getting LYE-BURNS & TOXIC-IONS...PUMPED in BODY?
(ION-FLAVORS included; Cream-0-Copper, Nasty-Nickle & Aluminum-for-Alzheimers)
 
NOTE: ZILLA Group owner "bG" Approves/Blocks POST...so members...Live-in-Dark
while being told NOTHING WRONG, burns-are-normal...just back-off and try 
Alovera.
Zilla, Insight~> http://tinyurl.com/yehrubn  WARNING: showing very Graphic 
Burns..!
(Hopefully ZILLA users will WAKE-UP to GALVANIC/ION-DANGERS before too-late)
 
Not my Group, but I wrote cover:  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/TRONS4BECK 
(As time permits...may assist Trons, to NIX some Technical Distortions on 
Zappers..!) 
 
After doing quick/short [search] on Kristeen's condition's, I'm still 
NOT, exactly-sure?
Zapper's (if they work, at all?) typically need to TARGET Pathogens; germ, 
virus, etc.
but there are many illnesses that may be of METABOLIC origin...where zappers 
(O)?
(Presume you already looked into Vitamin B-12, as potentially-source, of 
symptoms) 
 
I'm not even sure (any) ZAPPER would be of value in response to your 
conditions, but
as I read your original-posting here, you wanted-input on-selecting-one of 
two-options. 
Also, being in the UK, are not wishing to go for Import-options...thus making 
it easier.  
  
Both of the (two) e-Bay Units available to you in UK, do-appear...to be closely 
related
to Electrical Performance specifications found in (original), Hulda Clark 
ZAPPER(s)...
However, they may still-fail to Address your (specific) 
Needs...they appear...SAFE??
While IMO, personally question Clark Zapper Results...'IF' that's what you 
want, OK?
Zappers over 10 Hz, are typically ION-SAFE, due to short cycle, Clark has DC 
offset! 
(CLARK...rooted mostly in FREQUENCY/(Bug-Shaker) tiny-pinch of 
Galvanic/off-set) 
 
The various CROFT unit(s) are also closely based on CLARK theme, at 20-kHz Freq.
that once again...has not convinced me (IMO), that even with 
Orgonite...IT WORKS?
Orgone Technology is considered 'Pseudo-Science'...not based on Real Technology
and typically when I see Orgonite included in product-discussion, raises Red 
Flag's!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone see Quackwatch Link-at-End, of 
Orogone WiKi... 
(CROFT...basically same as CLARK, with Orgonite, Xtals, Magnets...for 
Marketing!)
 
Dok Dallas   (Kristeen contact me by  email...if I might help further 
Quest?)
 
--- On Sun, 4/25/10, Kirsteen Wright  wrote:
No

Re: CS>Zapper...Re: Godzillas

2010-04-28 Thread Peter Converse

Well said Dan!

Re: Godzillas

I forgot to mention some of the points which you've raised and I'm glad you 
did.


I completely forgot to mention and since I did I'll do so now...

*turning down your potentiometer (if you put one in the circuit, which is a 
fine idea for building in some voltage/current flexibility) while having 
your milliammeter in series to get an understanding of what you can 
comfortably tolerate and what'll actually help you, will also help to 
minimize any skin burning. You'll find out what your personal range of skin 
tolerance is*


Putting in a reversing switch for regular 5 minute polarity switching also 
helps to eliminate finger pain which can result if one does not often enough 
switch polarity. Reversing positions of the actual electrodes is much more 
cumbersome than flipping a swith every 5 minutes. Just be sure to turn down 
your pot before polarity switching because when you flip polarity you get a 
voltage spike which'll make you do a little dance if you're not expecting 
it. After a few of these it almost gets to be fun to feel it but on the 
first time out it really startles you like a BBQ piezo igniter when you 
don't know it's coming!


I also tried making CS with my Godzilla, periodically manually adjusting the 
pot to turn down voltage as the process picked up conductivity. Very 
primitive but it seemed to make something drinkable. I just suspended some 
silver electrodes instead of the stainless steel ones which I use for 
"zilling" over a glass of DW to test it out.


Peter

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Zapper


I don't have the patience to follow all the arguments here but I
believe it would be appropriate to say the following:

The burning from the applied DC is not from heat produced around the
electrodes, or from corrosive chemicals.  It is from the electrons
finding a low resistant path and concentrating along that path,
damaging the tissues.

Evening and spreading out the resistance along the electrode as well
as periodic repositioning of electrodes and polarity swapping, as well
as limiting voltage or current, seems to reduce this occurrence.

Dan

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Marshall Dudley  
wrote:

Ode Coyote wrote:



By what mechanism could low voltage current travel in a liquid
environment other than ionic electro-chemicals?
Even neurotransmitters work that way...just higher speed chained 
reactions

is all.
High voltage establishes ionization paths.

Even Microwaves designed to cook things don't penetrate very far and
probably do most of the cooking via thermal conduction just like any 
other

oven.
[No, they don't heat from the inside out ]


Whether it cooks from the inside out or not depends on the relative
absorption of the layers. An egg, or meat that is covered with dry 
breading
will actually cook from the inside out because the shell or breading 
absorbs

almost no radiation and thus will not heat up except from the thermal
conduction from the inside.


Rife was observing effects on a microscope slide...very thin.
His tech may well have worked on larger samples [people] and he not 
really

know why.
Unless his electromagnetic beams were up there in the x ray frequency
ranges that could make it between water molecules. ..Ionizing Induction?


The frequencies are too low to be ionizing. The electromagnetic wave does
not have to be of x-ray frequency, it induces current into the body, just
like a zapper or pulser does. It could be through of as a pulser which
covers a larger area AND is frequency tunable.


What does "ionizing radiation" mean? Ionize "what" into what...how ?


Ionize means sufficient energy in a particle to cause the an electron to 
get
knocked out of its orbit, making the atom it comes from a positive ion, 
and

where it ends up a negative ion. Particles of such energy can break up DNA
as well.


Even most *nuclear* radiation is stopped by thin wet surfaces.


Depends on what it is. X-Rays and gamma rays can penetrate anywhere from
inches to feet of most substances. Alphas can be stopped by a sheet of
paper and might travel an inch in air, betas will travel further, maybe 
1/4

inch of paper or a couple of feet in air depending on the energy. Neutrons
are odd, they will travel through inches of lead, but be stopped by a
fraction of an inch of heavy water.


I have yet to see any Zapper maker that has made the connection between
how a Zapper works, how electro-plating works and how a CS generator 
works,

when all of them are the exact same machine, just applied to jars of
different substances in water and using different metals as electrodes.


Because that is not how they work. If it were, then they would not work 
for

those that use the damp cloth over the electrode like I do, and the pulser
which works the same way would not wor

Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

2010-04-28 Thread Dorothy Fitzpatrick
Trust you to bring perspective to something Ode  and in an un-pompous way 
too!  dee

On 28 Apr 2010, at 12:09, Ode Coyote wrote:

> 
> 
>  Most electronics engineers don't know a thing about electro-chemistry.
> The fact that a low voltage CS generator even worked at all in distilled 
> water comes as a surprise to the electric wire and semi conductor people.
> Since it's obviously not very efficient,  even the electro-chemistry people 
> haven't thought about it much and finding out about what role the silver ions 
> play and what happens to them is nearly impossible to look up. [In my 
> experience "actually impossible" to look up]
> 
> We've spent literally years on this list trying to figure it all out by 
> ignoring factors, one by one...with NO help available.
> After all, who would do such a dumb thing as even to try and get electricity 
> through water in such an obviously inefficient manner?
> 
> US uneddicated idiots..that's who.
> Nobody heard we couldn't.
> 


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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-28 Thread Ode Coyote



  Yea, that's the basic idea.
Ode




At 05:44 AM 4/27/2010 -0700, you wrote:
Ode -- are you saying that by switching polarity, you're undoing whatever 
good you're doing by using the unit in the first place?

MA (confused)


From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net


PS  Switching polarity inputs the opposing electrochemical, neutralizing 
what you were trying to do at that spot.





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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-28 Thread Ode Coyote



  Except, electrons do not "flow" in a water based liquid...they transport 
via ion exchange.


  Resistance to electron flow generates heat.

Ode


At 06:14 PM 4/27/2010 -0500, you wrote:

I don't have the patience to follow all the arguments here but I
believe it would be appropriate to say the following:

The burning from the applied DC is not from heat produced around the
electrodes, or from corrosive chemicals.  It is from the electrons
finding a low resistant path and concentrating along that path,
damaging the tissues.

Evening and spreading out the resistance along the electrode as well
as periodic repositioning of electrodes and polarity swapping, as well
as limiting voltage or current, seems to reduce this occurrence.

Dan



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Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

2010-04-28 Thread Ode Coyote



  Most electronics engineers don't know a thing about electro-chemistry.
The fact that a low voltage CS generator even worked at all in distilled 
water comes as a surprise to the electric wire and semi conductor people.
Since it's obviously not very efficient,  even the electro-chemistry people 
haven't thought about it much and finding out about what role the silver 
ions play and what happens to them is nearly impossible to look up. [In my 
experience "actually impossible" to look up]


We've spent literally years on this list trying to figure it all out by 
ignoring factors, one by one...with NO help available.
 After all, who would do such a dumb thing as even to try and get 
electricity through water in such an obviously inefficient manner?


US uneddicated idiots..that's who.
Nobody heard we couldn't.

 The only related field of endeavor is the exact OPPOSITE of trying to 
LOSE ions in the water.  Electroplating.
They didn't spend a whole lot of time trying to do it as WRONG as they 
possibly could...and being educated engineers, they didn't document what 
they already knew better than to do.


  Wanna know what's really funny?
The "experts" are just now catching up to us blundering dunderheads after 
30 years of US doing it wrong and maybe ten, doing the wrong thing right 
and having no idea *why* it was right...and still pretty much don't.


And that leaves a lot of room for self proclaimed experts to spew warped 
sales speak nonsense and call it fact while engineers overlook the obvious 
to make what they DO know about something different, seem to be worth 
something.


My apples are better because I hired an engineer to paint my oranges 
green..but they all fly like baseballs when you throw them at a painter.


Being wrong is more productive.

Ode


At 08:12 AM 4/27/2010 -0700, you wrote:
I was amused at all the experts info and missed info on the "Zapper" of 
witch there are many to choose from. All work in some way or another, but 
some really work well for what they are intended for. Killing unwanted 
organisms.  You need to do a fair amount of studying to figure it all out. 
Your not going to learn much here about Zapper's on the Colloidal Silver 
list. I have a degree in electronics, and was Dr. Clark's go to person 
with her different types of Zapper's and Plate Zapper's and all the 
rest.  It takes an Electronic Engineer to tell you the differences in 
these kinds of instruments. I don't have the time, Sorry.

Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.
Quailwood Herbal LLC






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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-28 Thread Ode Coyote



  Then it's the sock AND the skin.
Conductive pad..."wet"...to distribute the electro-chemicals [of whatever 
sort] over a wider area so they don't concentrate so much.
What chemistry transports electrons in the sock may not be the same as in 
the skin, but what's at and under the skin is the same when it gets 
there...salt.
If you use a silver electrode, you substitute the metallic ions to some 
degree and that may not be as caustic or as acidic, but it's still 
electro-chemistry transporting electrons.


 Sure, if you expose a pathogen to the current directly, you get a direct 
kill, but HOW does it kill even then?  You are out of the interface chain 
is all.
If that pathogen isn't in some sort of wet environment. it's already dead 
or has spoored.
You aren't killing pathogens directly when they are inside your bod...not 
with a spark anyhow...not unless you want to stand in the middle of an 
ionized gas plasma.


Now THAT will give you [or a pathogen it can get to] a "heat burn" and you 
can turn water into an ionized gas, but you won't like it if that water is 
inside you as it tends to do so rather explosively leaving charred flesh 
behind.


I am familiar with collapsing field tank circuits, being old enough to 
remember points type ignition systems...and "bitten" by them a few times at 
that...and have replaced many a set of burned tungsten points.
But when the power dissipates enough that it won't support the ionization 
path, right back to electro-chemicals... "amping" the neurons first as the 
path of the most conductive and fastest of the chemical products chain, 
neurotransmitters. [ JERK and wiggle along with the pulses of quick 
chemical changes ]


Next question:  Can venom be altered by altering the chemistry of the blood 
with an electrical current?

I'd say likely so.
 Note that most "itch sticks" have ammonium as the base.. a caustic substance.
"Pee on jelly fish stings"..ammonium again.
Ammonium Hydroxide...Sodium Hydroxide.  Alkaline.

Ode




At 11:03 AM 4/27/2010 -0400, you wrote:
Sorry, but it can't be electrochemical.  Many of the first zappers, 
including mine, had socks over the electrodes, which you wet first.  Any 
electrochemical generation will be at the interface of the sock and the 
metal, not the sock and the skin, so nothing generated even makes it to 
the skin ro into the body.  That is one of the reasons for using the sock 
in the first place, so you don't get burned by things like sodium 
hydroxide which CAN get generated at the electrodes.  Also the pulser, 
which works by similar means, that is generating an electric pulse in 
response to a collapsing magnetic field has no such chemicals generated at 
all.  Sin e the pulser works, we KNOW that a fast electronic pulse will 
kill pathogens directly.


Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:



  By what mechanism could low voltage current travel in a liquid 
environment other than ionic electro-chemicals?
Even neurotransmitters work that way...just higher speed chained 
reactions is all.

High voltage establishes ionization paths.

Even Microwaves designed to cook things don't penetrate very far and 
probably do most of the cooking via thermal conduction just like any 
other oven.

[No, they don't heat from the inside out ]

How sensitive are parasites to PH changes?
 In the old days. people used wood ashes to get rid of parasites. [
and they also used wood ashes to get Sodium Hydroxide for making Lye soap ]

The skin has blood in it, the blood is salty, does the same thing as a 
salt solution anywhere and that blood circulates with the rest of the 
blood...just not as fast.


Rife was observing effects on a microscope slide...very thin.
His tech may well have worked on larger samples [people] and he not 
really know why.
Unless his electromagnetic beams were up there in the x ray frequency 
ranges that could make it between water molecules.  ..Ionizing Induction?


 What does "ionizing radiation" mean?  Ionize "what" into what...how ?

Even most *nuclear* radiation is stopped by thin wet surfaces.

I have yet to see any Zapper maker that has made the connection between 
how a Zapper works, how electro-plating works and how a CS generator 
works, when all of them are  the exact same machine, just applied to jars 
of different substances in water and using different metals as electrodes.
Disregard *what* they do for a moment and look at *how* they ALL do 
it.  What makes a Zapper different?   Nothing.
 Why a DC offset?  Because AC would just chemically cancel itself if the 
effect of  the polarity change is slower than how fast the chemical 
change can leave the area by blood flow in that surface.



  That burning of skin is not from heat.  If it were a result of current 
flow like happens in a wire with nothing but electrons bouncing around, 
the entire circuit would be at least nearly the same temperature.
 Try this:  Put an analog  milliam-meter in line with an electrode and 
see if the current has a perceivable rise rate as

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-27 Thread Dan Nave
These tunneling burns might be likened to those received by people who
have been struck by lightening, although is on a much reduced scale.

Dan

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 6:14 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:
> I don't have the patience to follow all the arguments here but I
> believe it would be appropriate to say the following:
>
> The burning from the applied DC is not from heat produced around the
> electrodes, or from corrosive chemicals.  It is from the electrons
> finding a low resistant path and concentrating along that path,
> damaging the tissues.
>
> Evening and spreading out the resistance along the electrode as well
> as periodic repositioning of electrodes and polarity swapping, as well
> as limiting voltage or current, seems to reduce this occurrence.
>
> Dan
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Marshall Dudley  
> wrote:
>> Ode Coyote wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  By what mechanism could low voltage current travel in a liquid
>>> environment other than ionic electro-chemicals?
>>> Even neurotransmitters work that way...just higher speed chained reactions
>>> is all.
>>> High voltage establishes ionization paths.
>>>
>>> Even Microwaves designed to cook things don't penetrate very far and
>>> probably do most of the cooking via thermal conduction just like any other
>>> oven.
>>> [No, they don't heat from the inside out ]
>>
>> Whether it cooks from the inside out or not depends on the relative
>> absorption of the layers.  An egg, or meat that is covered with dry breading
>> will actually cook from the inside out because the shell or breading absorbs
>> almost no radiation and thus will not heat up except from the thermal
>> conduction from the inside.
>>>
>>> Rife was observing effects on a microscope slide...very thin.
>>> His tech may well have worked on larger samples [people] and he not really
>>> know why.
>>> Unless his electromagnetic beams were up there in the x ray frequency
>>> ranges that could make it between water molecules.  ..Ionizing Induction?
>>
>> The frequencies are too low to be ionizing.  The electromagnetic wave does
>> not have to be of x-ray frequency, it induces current into the body, just
>> like a zapper or pulser does.  It could be through of as a pulser which
>> covers a larger area AND is frequency tunable.
>>>
>>>  What does "ionizing radiation" mean?  Ionize "what" into what...how ?
>>
>> Ionize means sufficient energy in a particle to cause the an electron to get
>> knocked out of its orbit, making the atom it comes from a positive ion, and
>> where it ends up a negative ion.  Particles of such energy can break up DNA
>> as well.
>>>
>>> Even most *nuclear* radiation is stopped by thin wet surfaces.
>>
>> Depends on what it is.  X-Rays and gamma rays can penetrate anywhere from
>> inches to feet of most substances.  Alphas can be stopped by a sheet of
>> paper and might travel an inch in air, betas will travel further, maybe 1/4
>> inch of paper or a couple of feet in air depending on the energy.  Neutrons
>> are odd, they will travel through inches of lead, but be stopped by a
>> fraction of an inch of heavy water.
>>>
>>> I have yet to see any Zapper maker that has made the connection between
>>> how a Zapper works, how electro-plating works and how a CS generator works,
>>> when all of them are  the exact same machine, just applied to jars of
>>> different substances in water and using different metals as electrodes.
>>
>> Because that is not how they work. If it were, then they would not work for
>> those that use the damp cloth over the electrode like I do, and the pulser
>> which works the same way would not work either.
>>>
>>> Disregard *what* they do for a moment and look at *how* they ALL do it.
>>>  What makes a Zapper different?   Nothing.
>>
>> Different than what?
>>>
>>>  Why a DC offset?  Because AC would just chemically cancel itself if the
>>> effect of  the polarity change is slower than how fast the chemical change
>>> can leave the area by blood flow in that surface.
>>>
>> Actually that is not true.  I have done electrolysis on salt water many
>> times using AC, it works fine, nothing cancels out, and I get just as much
>> chlorine and hydrogen as when I used DC, except that they were mixed instead
>> of separate.
>>>
>>>  That burning of skin is not from heat.
>>
>> That is correct, that is why one should use the wet towel, so you don't get
>> burned or exposed to the corrosive chemicals.
>>>
>>> If it were a result of current flow like happens in a wire with nothing
>>> but electrons bouncing around, the entire circuit would be at least nearly
>>> the same temperature.
>>>  Try this:  Put an analog  milliam-meter in line with an electrode and see
>>> if the current has a perceivable rise rate as electro-chemicals build up
>>> concentration to transport more electrons around as ions in ionic chemical
>>> compounds.
>>>  If you can *see* it go up, it's SLOW and wires don't act that way.  I
>>> don't think even a resistor slows the electrons down, it just b

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-27 Thread Dan Nave
I don't have the patience to follow all the arguments here but I
believe it would be appropriate to say the following:

The burning from the applied DC is not from heat produced around the
electrodes, or from corrosive chemicals.  It is from the electrons
finding a low resistant path and concentrating along that path,
damaging the tissues.

Evening and spreading out the resistance along the electrode as well
as periodic repositioning of electrodes and polarity swapping, as well
as limiting voltage or current, seems to reduce this occurrence.

Dan

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Marshall Dudley  wrote:
> Ode Coyote wrote:
>>
>>
>>  By what mechanism could low voltage current travel in a liquid
>> environment other than ionic electro-chemicals?
>> Even neurotransmitters work that way...just higher speed chained reactions
>> is all.
>> High voltage establishes ionization paths.
>>
>> Even Microwaves designed to cook things don't penetrate very far and
>> probably do most of the cooking via thermal conduction just like any other
>> oven.
>> [No, they don't heat from the inside out ]
>
> Whether it cooks from the inside out or not depends on the relative
> absorption of the layers.  An egg, or meat that is covered with dry breading
> will actually cook from the inside out because the shell or breading absorbs
> almost no radiation and thus will not heat up except from the thermal
> conduction from the inside.
>>
>> Rife was observing effects on a microscope slide...very thin.
>> His tech may well have worked on larger samples [people] and he not really
>> know why.
>> Unless his electromagnetic beams were up there in the x ray frequency
>> ranges that could make it between water molecules.  ..Ionizing Induction?
>
> The frequencies are too low to be ionizing.  The electromagnetic wave does
> not have to be of x-ray frequency, it induces current into the body, just
> like a zapper or pulser does.  It could be through of as a pulser which
> covers a larger area AND is frequency tunable.
>>
>>  What does "ionizing radiation" mean?  Ionize "what" into what...how ?
>
> Ionize means sufficient energy in a particle to cause the an electron to get
> knocked out of its orbit, making the atom it comes from a positive ion, and
> where it ends up a negative ion.  Particles of such energy can break up DNA
> as well.
>>
>> Even most *nuclear* radiation is stopped by thin wet surfaces.
>
> Depends on what it is.  X-Rays and gamma rays can penetrate anywhere from
> inches to feet of most substances.  Alphas can be stopped by a sheet of
> paper and might travel an inch in air, betas will travel further, maybe 1/4
> inch of paper or a couple of feet in air depending on the energy.  Neutrons
> are odd, they will travel through inches of lead, but be stopped by a
> fraction of an inch of heavy water.
>>
>> I have yet to see any Zapper maker that has made the connection between
>> how a Zapper works, how electro-plating works and how a CS generator works,
>> when all of them are  the exact same machine, just applied to jars of
>> different substances in water and using different metals as electrodes.
>
> Because that is not how they work. If it were, then they would not work for
> those that use the damp cloth over the electrode like I do, and the pulser
> which works the same way would not work either.
>>
>> Disregard *what* they do for a moment and look at *how* they ALL do it.
>>  What makes a Zapper different?   Nothing.
>
> Different than what?
>>
>>  Why a DC offset?  Because AC would just chemically cancel itself if the
>> effect of  the polarity change is slower than how fast the chemical change
>> can leave the area by blood flow in that surface.
>>
> Actually that is not true.  I have done electrolysis on salt water many
> times using AC, it works fine, nothing cancels out, and I get just as much
> chlorine and hydrogen as when I used DC, except that they were mixed instead
> of separate.
>>
>>  That burning of skin is not from heat.
>
> That is correct, that is why one should use the wet towel, so you don't get
> burned or exposed to the corrosive chemicals.
>>
>> If it were a result of current flow like happens in a wire with nothing
>> but electrons bouncing around, the entire circuit would be at least nearly
>> the same temperature.
>>  Try this:  Put an analog  milliam-meter in line with an electrode and see
>> if the current has a perceivable rise rate as electro-chemicals build up
>> concentration to transport more electrons around as ions in ionic chemical
>> compounds.
>>  If you can *see* it go up, it's SLOW and wires don't act that way.  I
>> don't think even a resistor slows the electrons down, it just blocks some of
>> them and turns the impact energy into heat.
>
> Electrons actually speed up in a typical resistor.  It, as you say blocks
> some of them, so the others have to move faster to maintain the same
> current.
>>
>> If that were "heat" burn, a thermometer made for pipples would peg.  The
>> skin c

Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

2010-04-27 Thread Tel Tofflemire
No I do not sell it, I buy it for my garden, and I do use a small trace amount 
once in a while, just testing it.
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: "Norton, Steve" 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 1:04:00 PM
Subject: Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

From the Azomite FAQ page:

"Do you sell AZOMITE® for human consumption?

We do not market AZOMITE® for human consumption. Because we do not market it, 
we do not provide testimonies or research on our website. However, we are aware 
of people using it as a mineral supplement at a rate of 1 to 2 teaspoons per 
day, and we hear positive stories every week on the phone."

- Steve N

From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:54 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

Hi,
Would someone be willing to share what dose of Azomite they use for human 
consumption?  I want to try it but I'm obviously not a plant or a steer!
Thanks.
PT


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Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

2010-04-27 Thread Tel Tofflemire
Http://www.Amazon.com
 Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.





From: Peter Converse 
To: cking...@nycap.rr.com; silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 27, 2010 2:12:26 PM
Subject: Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

and where's a good place to get Azomite for bottom dollar?

thanks,

Peter

- Original Message - From: 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?


I've used from half a teaspoon to a full teaspoon in a smoothie or
just knocked it back followed by a glass of water.

Chuck
Smile, it makes people wonder what you are thinking.


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wrote:
> Hi,
> Would someone be willing to share what dose of Azomite they use for human
> consumption? I want to try it but I'm obviously not a plant or a steer!
> Thanks.
> PT


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Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

2010-04-27 Thread Norton, Steve
>From the Azomite FAQ page:

"Do you sell AZOMITE® for human consumption?

We do not market AZOMITE® for human consumption. Because we do not market it, 
we do not provide testimonies or research on our website. However, we are aware 
of people using it as a mineral supplement at a rate of 1 to 2 teaspoons per 
day, and we hear positive stories every week on the phone."

- Steve N

From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:54 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

Hi,
Would someone be willing to share what dose of Azomite they use for human 
consumption?  I want to try it but I'm obviously not a plant or a steer!
Thanks.
PT


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Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

2010-04-27 Thread Peter Converse

and where's a good place to get Azomite for bottom dollar?

thanks,

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?


I've used from half a teaspoon to a full teaspoon in a smoothie or
just knocked it back followed by a glass of water.

Chuck
Smile, it makes people wonder what you are thinking.


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Thanks.
PT



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RE: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

2010-04-27 Thread Norton, Steve
>From the Azomite FAQ page:

 

"Do you sell AZOMITE(r) for human consumption?
We do not market AZOMITE(r) for human consumption. Because we do not
market it, we do not provide testimonies or research on our website.
However, we are aware of people using it as a mineral supplement at a
rate of 1 to 2 teaspoons per day, and we hear positive stories every
week on the phone."

 

-   Steve N

 

From: needling around [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 10:54 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

 

Hi,

Would someone be willing to share what dose of Azomite they use for
human consumption?  I want to try it but I'm obviously not a plant or a
steer!

Thanks.

PT



Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

2010-04-27 Thread cking001
I've used from half a teaspoon to a full teaspoon in a smoothie or
just knocked it back followed by a glass of water.

Chuck
Smile, it makes people wonder what you are thinking.


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> Would someone be willing to share what dose of Azomite they use for human
> consumption? I want to try it but I'm obviously not a plant or a steer!
> Thanks.
> PT


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Re: CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

2010-04-27 Thread needling around
Hi,
Would someone be willing to share what dose of Azomite they use for human 
consumption?  I want to try it but I'm obviously not a plant or a steer!
Thanks.
PT

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-27 Thread Garrick
Thanks for starting this thread and thanks to all for the good informations
on zappers.
I just bought two for less than $100

zappper A can be used even worn with ekg/tens adhesive gel electrodes which
this guy also sells. I ordered electrodes too---
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160419099179&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

zapper B is ultra-wearable 
http://www.ctbusters.com/cart/orgoneproducts-c-22.html

gel electrodes ---
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350092742971&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT


Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-27 Thread Marshall Dudley

Ode Coyote wrote:



  By what mechanism could low voltage current travel in a liquid 
environment other than ionic electro-chemicals?
Even neurotransmitters work that way...just higher speed chained 
reactions is all.

High voltage establishes ionization paths.

Even Microwaves designed to cook things don't penetrate very far and 
probably do most of the cooking via thermal conduction just like any 
other oven.

[No, they don't heat from the inside out ]
Whether it cooks from the inside out or not depends on the relative 
absorption of the layers.  An egg, or meat that is covered with dry 
breading will actually cook from the inside out because the shell or 
breading absorbs almost no radiation and thus will not heat up except 
from the thermal conduction from the inside.

Rife was observing effects on a microscope slide...very thin.
His tech may well have worked on larger samples [people] and he not 
really know why.
Unless his electromagnetic beams were up there in the x ray frequency 
ranges that could make it between water molecules.  ..Ionizing Induction?
The frequencies are too low to be ionizing.  The electromagnetic wave 
does not have to be of x-ray frequency, it induces current into the 
body, just like a zapper or pulser does.  It could be through of as a 
pulser which covers a larger area AND is frequency tunable.


 What does "ionizing radiation" mean?  Ionize "what" into what...how ?
Ionize means sufficient energy in a particle to cause the an electron to 
get knocked out of its orbit, making the atom it comes from a positive 
ion, and where it ends up a negative ion.  Particles of such energy can 
break up DNA as well.


Even most *nuclear* radiation is stopped by thin wet surfaces.
Depends on what it is.  X-Rays and gamma rays can penetrate anywhere 
from inches to feet of most substances.  Alphas can be stopped by a 
sheet of paper and might travel an inch in air, betas will travel 
further, maybe 1/4 inch of paper or a couple of feet in air depending on 
the energy.  Neutrons are odd, they will travel through inches of lead, 
but be stopped by a fraction of an inch of heavy water.


I have yet to see any Zapper maker that has made the connection 
between how a Zapper works, how electro-plating works and how a CS 
generator works, when all of them are  the exact same machine, just 
applied to jars of different substances in water and using different 
metals as electrodes.
Because that is not how they work. If it were, then they would not work 
for those that use the damp cloth over the electrode like I do, and the 
pulser which works the same way would not work either.
Disregard *what* they do for a moment and look at *how* they ALL do 
it.  What makes a Zapper different?   Nothing.

Different than what?
 Why a DC offset?  Because AC would just chemically cancel itself if 
the effect of  the polarity change is slower than how fast the 
chemical change can leave the area by blood flow in that surface.


Actually that is not true.  I have done electrolysis on salt water many 
times using AC, it works fine, nothing cancels out, and I get just as 
much chlorine and hydrogen as when I used DC, except that they were 
mixed instead of separate.


  That burning of skin is not from heat.
That is correct, that is why one should use the wet towel, so you don't 
get burned or exposed to the corrosive chemicals.
If it were a result of current flow like happens in a wire with 
nothing but electrons bouncing around, the entire circuit would be at 
least nearly the same temperature.
 Try this:  Put an analog  milliam-meter in line with an electrode and 
see if the current has a perceivable rise rate as electro-chemicals 
build up concentration to transport more electrons around as ions in 
ionic chemical compounds.
  If you can *see* it go up, it's SLOW and wires don't act that way.  
I don't think even a resistor slows the electrons down, it just blocks 
some of them and turns the impact energy into heat.
Electrons actually speed up in a typical resistor.  It, as you say 
blocks some of them, so the others have to move faster to maintain the 
same current.


If that were "heat" burn, a thermometer made for pipples would peg.  
The skin can take 120 degrees F for extended periods of time, cooling 
itself off with sweat evaporation.
 See any sweat? [Well, given that the electrolyte used is so much like 
sweat, how could you tell...concept firm but probably not 
observable... BUT even then the PH would change and if it were nothing 
but sweat/electrolyte, unchanged... it wouldn't.  Check it out. ]
You are beating a dead horse. Burning from exposed electrodes is NOT 
from heat. That is why one should use a wet towel over the electrode, it 
prevents the burns, but the zapper still works fine even though the 
products no longer make it to the skin.  In view of that fact, you are 
actually arguing my analysis and don't realize it.


Ode



At 11:46 AM 4/26/2010 -0400, you wrote:
Resonant frequencies will dis

CS>ZAPPER or CS information?

2010-04-27 Thread Tel Tofflemire
I was amused at all the experts info and missed info on the "Zapper" of witch 
there are many to choose from. All work in some way or another, but some really 
work well for what they are intended for. Killing unwanted organisms.  You need 
to do a fair amount of studying to figure it all out. Your not going to learn 
much here about Zapper's on the Colloidal Silver list. I have a degree in 
electronics, and was Dr. Clark's go to person with her different types of 
Zapper's and Plate Zapper's and all the rest.  It takes an Electronic Engineer 
to tell you the differences in these kinds of instruments. I don't have the 
time, Sorry.Tel Tofflemire 
Dewey, AZ.
Quailwood Herbal LLC






  

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-27 Thread Marshall Dudley
Sorry, but it can't be electrochemical.  Many of the first zappers, 
including mine, had socks over the electrodes, which you wet first.  Any 
electrochemical generation will be at the interface of the sock and the 
metal, not the sock and the skin, so nothing generated even makes it to 
the skin ro into the body.  That is one of the reasons for using the 
sock in the first place, so you don't get burned by things like sodium 
hydroxide which CAN get generated at the electrodes.  Also the pulser, 
which works by similar means, that is generating an electric pulse in 
response to a collapsing magnetic field has no such chemicals generated 
at all.  Sin e the pulser works, we KNOW that a fast electronic pulse 
will kill pathogens directly.


Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:



  By what mechanism could low voltage current travel in a liquid 
environment other than ionic electro-chemicals?
Even neurotransmitters work that way...just higher speed chained 
reactions is all.

High voltage establishes ionization paths.

Even Microwaves designed to cook things don't penetrate very far and 
probably do most of the cooking via thermal conduction just like any 
other oven.

[No, they don't heat from the inside out ]

How sensitive are parasites to PH changes?
 In the old days. people used wood ashes to get rid of parasites. [  
and they also used wood ashes to get Sodium Hydroxide for making Lye 
soap ]


The skin has blood in it, the blood is salty, does the same thing as a 
salt solution anywhere and that blood circulates with the rest of the 
blood...just not as fast.


Rife was observing effects on a microscope slide...very thin.
His tech may well have worked on larger samples [people] and he not 
really know why.
Unless his electromagnetic beams were up there in the x ray frequency 
ranges that could make it between water molecules.  ..Ionizing Induction?


 What does "ionizing radiation" mean?  Ionize "what" into what...how ?

Even most *nuclear* radiation is stopped by thin wet surfaces.

I have yet to see any Zapper maker that has made the connection 
between how a Zapper works, how electro-plating works and how a CS 
generator works, when all of them are  the exact same machine, just 
applied to jars of different substances in water and using different 
metals as electrodes.
Disregard *what* they do for a moment and look at *how* they ALL do 
it.  What makes a Zapper different?   Nothing.
 Why a DC offset?  Because AC would just chemically cancel itself if 
the effect of  the polarity change is slower than how fast the 
chemical change can leave the area by blood flow in that surface.



  That burning of skin is not from heat.  If it were a result of 
current flow like happens in a wire with nothing but electrons 
bouncing around, the entire circuit would be at least nearly the same 
temperature.
 Try this:  Put an analog  milliam-meter in line with an electrode and 
see if the current has a perceivable rise rate as electro-chemicals 
build up concentration to transport more electrons around as ions in 
ionic chemical compounds.
  If you can *see* it go up, it's SLOW and wires don't act that way.  
I don't think even a resistor slows the electrons down, it just blocks 
some of them and turns the impact energy into heat.


If that were "heat" burn, a thermometer made for pipples would peg.  
The skin can take 120 degrees F for extended periods of time, cooling 
itself off with sweat evaporation.
 See any sweat? [Well, given that the electrolyte used is so much like 
sweat, how could you tell...concept firm but probably not 
observable... BUT even then the PH would change and if it were nothing 
but sweat/electrolyte, unchanged... it wouldn't.  Check it out. ]


Recipe for super duper house hold cleaner;  Two electrodes, DC power 
source and a bucket of a salt water = Sodium Hydroxide [degreaser] and 
Hypochlorous acid [disinfectant] and a very short shelf life.  Apply 
that to a bag of salt water vs a bucket of salt water

 ALL the numbers add up.

 Even Jim Humbles MMS numbers add in without flawsame mechanism, 
different source, similar results. [but without the nearly immediate 
control of a neutralizing agent right around the blood flow corner, or 
the effect of Alkalizing an area. ]
Blood flow is directional as well, with an in and out sequence, NOT 
mixing right away...even in the tiny capillaries.  Up from under, to 
the surface and back down taking whatever is there with it as fast as 
it can.
The entire body WOULD be exposed to those substances, no different 
than any skin absorption of any other chemical...except, these 
chemicals are made IN the BILLIONs of tiny pipes at their MOST 
absorptive points adding in whatever was made at the surface near 
them, as well, by saturating even the dead insulating skin layers with 
the very same source compound...salt.



There's just no way that's anything but a chemical burn, spelling out 
c-h-e-m-i-c-a-l  loud and clear.

It's just being made faster than

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-27 Thread Ode Coyote



  So you say, but is that true ?
 There's a lot of folx that would differ with that opinion using the DC 
Godzilla with good results.


 I fail to see how pulsing the power would do anything but regulate how 
fast a given compound was made.  "Pulse width modulation" of 
power...frequencies totally absorbed and evened out as the packets of 
chemicals made mix in the turbulent fluid.


  An EFI fuel injector does that at visible frequencies and your engine 
doesn't misfire.  Why?  Turbulence and distance.


 Now, electromagnetic radiation "might" be able to mimic the frequencies 
IF they all occurred uniformly and simultaneously at the cellular level but 
that could only happen if the radiation actually penetrates all that water 
and protein etc.. but a Zapper is surface only and relies on plumbing for 
transport.


 A very very slow AC Zapper frequency might be able to carry slugs of 
opposing compounds down the same pipes without complete mixingThe 
alternations of PH could be a "shocker"...wear the little suckers out 
trying to figure out which way to wiggle.


I know of no mechanism that would allow electrons to travel in a water 
based liquid at near light speed or anything even close to being able to 
carry a high frequency.
 Even the synopsis DESIGNED for fast electro-chemical reactions and well 
isolated from vast swamping effects can only fire at a rate of 50 cycles 
per second.  Anything beyond that gets bunched up into packets that merge 
like a capacitor.


Ode


At 11:48 AM 4/26/2010 -0400, you wrote:
You forgot to say that you have to tap the connection, that is make and 
break the connection for it for it to work.  DC does not work at all since 
it has no frequency components to resonate with the DNA.


Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:



  Just hook yourself up to a 6 or 9 volt battery with a pair of 
alligator clip leads and take a break when you start feeling 
uncomfortable...or with copper pipe pieces as electrodes, switch hands 
now and then.


Ode


At 02:11 PM 4/24/2010 -0500, you wrote:

Do you know the details of how the Don Croft "zapper" is made?  I have
several Hulda Clark type zappers that I made and wouldn't mind
experimenting with something like this.

Actually, at this point I don't consider the Don Croft Zapper to be
the same sort of thing as the Hulda Clark zapper because, apparently,
he has crystals "in line" with the electrodes.  If this means that the
wires are broken, and each end connects to the crystal, then there is
virtually no current traveling through this circuit.  (Unless it means
that the wires are not broken, and are wrapped around the crystals or
run parallel to the crystals...)

People are very imprecise in their descriptions!...  Mostly, they
don't know what they are talking about, and they don't have any idea
about what they don't know about it either.

Dan

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:06 AM, bodhisattva 

wrote:

> My experience with them is, I much prefer the Don Croft design.  The

subtle

> energy components in it are very impressive. But more than that, the
> electrodes on the box make it something you can wear all of the time,
> anywhere, and it becomes a whole lot more pleasant. I agree with Don's
> assertion that the 15hz is the best overall rate for a wide variety of
> things.
>
> We've seen this thing kill some pretty nasty stuff, so much so, I

purchased

> a second one!  The second one is coming from Africa, not made by Don but

by
> someone else. I'm ordering that one because it is half the price, and 
I want

> to test effectiveness.
>
>
> Kirsteen Wright wrote:
>>
>> I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
>> these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage 
to having

>> the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.
>>
>>
>>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a 


>>
>> and
>>
>>
>>
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d 


>>
>> I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?
>>
>> Any advice would be really welcome
>>
>> Cheers
>> Kirsteen
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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-27 Thread Ode Coyote



  By what mechanism could low voltage current travel in a liquid 
environment other than ionic electro-chemicals?
Even neurotransmitters work that way...just higher speed chained reactions 
is all.

High voltage establishes ionization paths.

Even Microwaves designed to cook things don't penetrate very far and 
probably do most of the cooking via thermal conduction just like any other 
oven.

[No, they don't heat from the inside out ]

How sensitive are parasites to PH changes?
 In the old days. people used wood ashes to get rid of parasites. [  and 
they also used wood ashes to get Sodium Hydroxide for making Lye soap ]


The skin has blood in it, the blood is salty, does the same thing as a salt 
solution anywhere and that blood circulates with the rest of the 
blood...just not as fast.


Rife was observing effects on a microscope slide...very thin.
His tech may well have worked on larger samples [people] and he not really 
know why.
Unless his electromagnetic beams were up there in the x ray frequency 
ranges that could make it between water molecules.  ..Ionizing Induction?


 What does "ionizing radiation" mean?  Ionize "what" into what...how ?

Even most *nuclear* radiation is stopped by thin wet surfaces.

I have yet to see any Zapper maker that has made the connection between how 
a Zapper works, how electro-plating works and how a CS generator works, 
when all of them are  the exact same machine, just applied to jars of 
different substances in water and using different metals as electrodes.
Disregard *what* they do for a moment and look at *how* they ALL do 
it.  What makes a Zapper different?   Nothing.
 Why a DC offset?  Because AC would just chemically cancel itself if the 
effect of  the polarity change is slower than how fast the chemical change 
can leave the area by blood flow in that surface.



  That burning of skin is not from heat.  If it were a result of current 
flow like happens in a wire with nothing but electrons bouncing around, the 
entire circuit would be at least nearly the same temperature.
 Try this:  Put an analog  milliam-meter in line with an electrode and see 
if the current has a perceivable rise rate as electro-chemicals build up 
concentration to transport more electrons around as ions in ionic chemical 
compounds.
  If you can *see* it go up, it's SLOW and wires don't act that way.  I 
don't think even a resistor slows the electrons down, it just blocks some 
of them and turns the impact energy into heat.


If that were "heat" burn, a thermometer made for pipples would peg.  The 
skin can take 120 degrees F for extended periods of time, cooling itself 
off with sweat evaporation.
 See any sweat? [Well, given that the electrolyte used is so much like 
sweat, how could you tell...concept firm but probably not observable... BUT 
even then the PH would change and if it were nothing but sweat/electrolyte, 
unchanged... it wouldn't.  Check it out. ]


Recipe for super duper house hold cleaner;  Two electrodes, DC power source 
and a bucket of a salt water = Sodium Hydroxide [degreaser] and 
Hypochlorous acid [disinfectant] and a very short shelf life.  Apply that 
to a bag of salt water vs a bucket of salt water

 ALL the numbers add up.

 Even Jim Humbles MMS numbers add in without flawsame mechanism, 
different source, similar results. [but without the nearly immediate 
control of a neutralizing agent right around the blood flow corner, or the 
effect of Alkalizing an area. ]
Blood flow is directional as well, with an in and out sequence, NOT mixing 
right away...even in the tiny capillaries.  Up from under, to the surface 
and back down taking whatever is there with it as fast as it can.
The entire body WOULD be exposed to those substances, no different than any 
skin absorption of any other chemical...except, these chemicals are made IN 
the BILLIONs of tiny pipes at their MOST absorptive points adding in 
whatever was made at the surface near them, as well, by saturating even the 
dead insulating skin layers with the very same source compound...salt.



There's just no way that's anything but a chemical burn, spelling out 
c-h-e-m-i-c-a-l  loud and clear.

It's just being made faster than it can be carried away is all.

Ode



At 11:46 AM 4/26/2010 -0400, you wrote:
Resonant frequencies will disrupt DNA.  This has been show with Rife 
technology.  A square wave is the fourier sum of all multiples of that 
frequency.  Thus a square wave will cause the DNA of pathogens to vibrate 
at their resonant frequency and break apart. Once broken apart DNA tends 
to drift back together and rejoin unless there is an electric field 
present to force separation of the parts.  That is how the zappers 
work.  The principle is the same, but the method of getting the quasi DC 
field is different between the Beck and Clark zappers.


The Clark zapper uses a DC offset to give the field, that is it uses 
pulsing DC.  The Beck unit uses a low frequency so that the parts are 
dra

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-27 Thread MaryAnn Helland
Ode -- are you saying that by switching polarity, you're undoing whatever good 
you're doing by using the unit in the first place?
MA (confused)





From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net


PS  Switching polarity inputs the opposing electrochemical, neutralizing what 
you were trying to do at that spot.


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Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-26 Thread Dan Nave
Sorry, should have gone personal, not to list.

Dan

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:
> I am interested in anything you have about increasing the body energy field 
> etc.
>
> Dan
>
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 2:12 PM, bodhisattva  wrote:
>> These are good tools to drop the viral/bacterial loads in your body down to
>> levels your immune system can take off. That's been my experience over the
>> last decade or so messing with them. I do find the Croft version, with the
>> subtle enhancements, a bit more effective than the others I have tried, but
>> the others will still "Do the job" I would suspect.
>> The real gift is the mounted electrodes. I find myself wearing a zapper
>> around at times.
>>
>> On a more esoteric note - and I realize this may be out of the spectrum of
>> experience/belief for some. I found old documents from a pretty adept
>> spiritual guy 50ish years ago. He said he discovered small "Charges" dumped
>> unseen energy attachments off a human energy field. I wish I could find the
>> link, he's passed away now. But he may have been the first person to link
>> the functions of these types of gear as being related to unseen subtle
>> attachments. I guess this may be part of the basis for Shock Therapy, and
>> why it actually works for some people. =-O
>>
>> I've found immense benefit boosting the human energy field out to a larger
>> radius. Most people are pretty degraded chemically, physically, and mentally
>> to the point their energy fields are like swiss cheese, and are quite
>> small.  This affords a poor shield from unseen things. I've had some amazing
>> experiences boosting someones force field to say several feet. I believe
>> people in the past had immense energy fields, and as a result were probably
>> pretty "Tuned in" to the world around them - and grace, and probably much
>> less vulnerable to a lot of stuff, you know?  Because of my work, I find
>> benefit in keeping my field between 30-50 feet in diameter, and have had
>> psychics verify this. It's not a guarantee, it just helps a whole lot. If
>> one wants to explore the methods behind this, let me know. Don't worry it's
>> not complicated, it's not some kind of ritual or any of that useless
>> rubbish.
>>
>> I knew a Qigong master years ago, he told one one time he had to ride a bus
>> into town, and about 10 people were on the cell phone inside a metal bus. He
>> said it took virtually all of his energy to keep his energy field up and
>> intact that he was physically, mentally, and spiritually degraded by the
>> time he reached his destination.  I don't have anything to do with Qigong
>> (and never tried it), but I found his stories very interesting in relation
>> to energy fields and the stuff that is detrimental to them. Funny thing,
>> this guy was 4'8, about 110pounds, at the time I was a 6'4" body builder,
>> about 225 of pure steel, this guy could destroy me in any test of strength,
>> not even close, I couldn't compare. This was my first introduction to
>> energy, especially the harm of man-made microwaves and their hidden agenda.
>>
>> Peter Converse wrote:
>>
>> Hi Del,
>>
>> You're not alone. A friend of mine with a Godzilla by V also put some nasty
>> burns on his wrist. This is not meant to criticize V's work though which is
>> respected among his peers. The same thing can happen with any Godzilla if
>> you're not careful.
>>
>> I have learned through my own experimentation with a homemade Godzilla used
>> at varying voltages, ranging from 4.5 to 9V that changing locations of the
>> electrodes slightly on the same wrist or switching from one wrist to another
>> from time to time helps to minimize burning. Once you get a Godzilla burn it
>> takes a very long time to completely heal and precludes any further
>> experimentation on that same location for some time.
>>
>> As Ode pointed out, current density is very important. You can manipulate
>> this by changing the size of your electrodes...larger electrodes yield lower
>> current density at the same given voltage compared to a set of smaller
>> electrodes. The current does not have to be high to "work". More is not
>> necessarily better and can even be undesireable in some cases. Sensitive
>> tissues can't tolerate higher voltages, for one thing.
>>
>> Warnings about using anything heftier than 6 Volts are given by the group
>> moderator of Microelecticitygermkiller because there have been cases of
>> people (not on that group as far as I know) who have had heart attacks,
>> probably from a preexisting heart condition, after licking the contacts of a
>> 9V battery to test for enough "juice". In light of that, he is advising
>> experimenters to stay with 6 volts so nobody drops dead while using his
>> idea. That advice is good.
>>
>> That said, I have a good heart and have experimented with 9 volts using the
>> same size electrodes that I used with 4.5 and 6 V and had no subsequent
>> heart related issues resulting from it. I do like the extra p

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-26 Thread Dan Nave
I am interested in anything you have about increasing the body energy field etc.

Dan

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 2:12 PM, bodhisattva  wrote:
> These are good tools to drop the viral/bacterial loads in your body down to
> levels your immune system can take off. That's been my experience over the
> last decade or so messing with them. I do find the Croft version, with the
> subtle enhancements, a bit more effective than the others I have tried, but
> the others will still "Do the job" I would suspect.
> The real gift is the mounted electrodes. I find myself wearing a zapper
> around at times.
>
> On a more esoteric note - and I realize this may be out of the spectrum of
> experience/belief for some. I found old documents from a pretty adept
> spiritual guy 50ish years ago. He said he discovered small "Charges" dumped
> unseen energy attachments off a human energy field. I wish I could find the
> link, he's passed away now. But he may have been the first person to link
> the functions of these types of gear as being related to unseen subtle
> attachments. I guess this may be part of the basis for Shock Therapy, and
> why it actually works for some people. =-O
>
> I've found immense benefit boosting the human energy field out to a larger
> radius. Most people are pretty degraded chemically, physically, and mentally
> to the point their energy fields are like swiss cheese, and are quite
> small.  This affords a poor shield from unseen things. I've had some amazing
> experiences boosting someones force field to say several feet. I believe
> people in the past had immense energy fields, and as a result were probably
> pretty "Tuned in" to the world around them - and grace, and probably much
> less vulnerable to a lot of stuff, you know?  Because of my work, I find
> benefit in keeping my field between 30-50 feet in diameter, and have had
> psychics verify this. It's not a guarantee, it just helps a whole lot. If
> one wants to explore the methods behind this, let me know. Don't worry it's
> not complicated, it's not some kind of ritual or any of that useless
> rubbish.
>
> I knew a Qigong master years ago, he told one one time he had to ride a bus
> into town, and about 10 people were on the cell phone inside a metal bus. He
> said it took virtually all of his energy to keep his energy field up and
> intact that he was physically, mentally, and spiritually degraded by the
> time he reached his destination.  I don't have anything to do with Qigong
> (and never tried it), but I found his stories very interesting in relation
> to energy fields and the stuff that is detrimental to them. Funny thing,
> this guy was 4'8, about 110pounds, at the time I was a 6'4" body builder,
> about 225 of pure steel, this guy could destroy me in any test of strength,
> not even close, I couldn't compare. This was my first introduction to
> energy, especially the harm of man-made microwaves and their hidden agenda.
>
> Peter Converse wrote:
>
> Hi Del,
>
> You're not alone. A friend of mine with a Godzilla by V also put some nasty
> burns on his wrist. This is not meant to criticize V's work though which is
> respected among his peers. The same thing can happen with any Godzilla if
> you're not careful.
>
> I have learned through my own experimentation with a homemade Godzilla used
> at varying voltages, ranging from 4.5 to 9V that changing locations of the
> electrodes slightly on the same wrist or switching from one wrist to another
> from time to time helps to minimize burning. Once you get a Godzilla burn it
> takes a very long time to completely heal and precludes any further
> experimentation on that same location for some time.
>
> As Ode pointed out, current density is very important. You can manipulate
> this by changing the size of your electrodes...larger electrodes yield lower
> current density at the same given voltage compared to a set of smaller
> electrodes. The current does not have to be high to "work". More is not
> necessarily better and can even be undesireable in some cases. Sensitive
> tissues can't tolerate higher voltages, for one thing.
>
> Warnings about using anything heftier than 6 Volts are given by the group
> moderator of Microelecticitygermkiller because there have been cases of
> people (not on that group as far as I know) who have had heart attacks,
> probably from a preexisting heart condition, after licking the contacts of a
> 9V battery to test for enough "juice". In light of that, he is advising
> experimenters to stay with 6 volts so nobody drops dead while using his
> idea. That advice is good.
>
> That said, I have a good heart and have experimented with 9 volts using the
> same size electrodes that I used with 4.5 and 6 V and had no subsequent
> heart related issues resulting from it. I do like the extra power sometimes
> which allows me to up my electrode sizes for some applications but I have
> found that a little more caution and attention is needed to avoid burns at
> this voltage when usi

Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-26 Thread bodhisattva
Fasting can be important, it turns the bodies resources from processing 
foods, to removing toxins. Fasting can also speed spiritual evolution, 
but by sensory or physical deprivation, but by a refocus of energy from 
incessant consumption, to higher faculties.


/Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting./

Dan Nave wrote:

You might be interested in checking out
 
http://soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020165.hay.pdf


 In the section on fasting he talks about curing pernicious anemia 
through fasting.


Dan

 
On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Kirsteen Wright 
mailto:kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


No, I'm pretty sure I don't. I have M.E. (myalgic
encephalomeyelitis not to be confused with chronic fatigue though
politicians keep tryint to), pernicious aneamia, alpha 1
antitrypsin deficiency and the unfortunate ability to keep food in
my stomach completely undigested but in extreme pain for anythiing
up to 48 hours when, if I manage to sick it back up, it looks and
smells exactly the same as when I ate it. Sorry if that's gross
but you did ask 

Cheers
Kirsteen


On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Paul Steel mailto:pste...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Kristen
 
Do you have lyme disease?
 


Paul Steel

h 508.520.6905

c 508.922.0519

The harder you work the luckier you get!

 





*From:* Kirsteen Wright mailto:kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com>>
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
*Sent:* Sat, April 24, 2010 2:42:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Zapper

To be honest I think I actually joined this site a while ago.
However I've been really ill lately, in fact bedbound so I was
hoping to get something already made up to save the effort.
Even if I want to make something I need to hunt down the parts
to get them delivered and I have so very very little energy at
the moment. Did you think these looked ok?

Cheers
Kirsteen

On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Steve G mailto:chube...@yahoo.com>> wrote:

Kirsteen,

I recommend that you check out the
microelectricity-germkiller yahoo group and read up on
their files and postings.What they experiment with and
use is low voltage (max of 6 volts) direct current for the
purpose of killing germs and viruses.They stronger
advise against anything higher than 6 volts and believe
that more than that is dangerous.

This isn't the same thing as Dr. Clark's zapper though, so
different levels apply.

I found an excellent description comparing the various
electrical alternative treatments, including Clark's
Zapper, the Godzilla, Rife Machines and so on.   Message
18610 on the Microelectricitygermkiller yahoo group
message archive.   Or if you don't want to go there check
out the web page I created that includes this info.

http://www.eatonrapidsjunkbarn.com/medical/electricity.htm










From: Kirsteen Wright mailto:kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com>>
Subject: CS>Zapper
To: silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 9:13 AM


I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am
toying between these two. I'd really welcome any
comments. Is there any advantage to having the dual
frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a

and


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d

I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?

Any advice would be really welcome

Cheers
Kirsteen






Re: CS>Zapper

2010-04-26 Thread Dan Nave
You might be interested in checking out

http://soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/020165.hay.pdf

 In the section on fasting he talks about curing pernicious anemia through
fasting.

Dan

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 5:00 AM, Kirsteen Wright <
kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No, I'm pretty sure I don't. I have M.E. (myalgic encephalomeyelitis not to
> be confused with chronic fatigue though politicians keep tryint to),
> pernicious aneamia, alpha 1 antitrypsin deficiency and the unfortunate
> ability to keep food in my stomach completely undigested but in extreme pain
> for anythiing up to 48 hours when, if I manage to sick it back up, it looks
> and smells exactly the same as when I ate it. Sorry if that's gross but you
> did ask 
>
> Cheers
> Kirsteen
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Paul Steel  wrote:
>
>>   Kristen
>>
>> Do you have lyme disease?
>>
>>
>> Paul Steel
>>
>> h 508.520.6905
>>
>> c 508.922.0519
>>
>> The harder you work the luckier you get!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* Kirsteen Wright 
>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>> *Sent:* Sat, April 24, 2010 2:42:03 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: CS>Zapper
>>
>> To be honest I think I actually joined this site a while ago. However I've
>> been really ill lately, in fact bedbound so I was hoping to get something
>> already made up to save the effort. Even if I want to make something I need
>> to hunt down the parts to get them delivered and I have so very very little
>> energy at the moment. Did you think these looked ok?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Kirsteen
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Steve G  wrote:
>>
>>>   Kirsteen,
>>>
>>> I recommend that you check out the microelectricity-germkiller yahoo
>>> group and read up on their files and postings.What they experiment with
>>> and use is low voltage (max of 6 volts) direct current for the purpose of
>>> killing germs and viruses.They stronger advise against anything higher
>>> than 6 volts and believe that more than that is dangerous.
>>>
>>> This isn't the same thing as Dr. Clark's zapper though, so different
>>> levels apply.
>>>
>>> I found an excellent description comparing the various electrical
>>> alternative treatments, including Clark's Zapper, the Godzilla, Rife
>>> Machines and so on.   Message 18610 on the Microelectricitygermkiller yahoo
>>> group message archive.   Or if you don't want to go there check out the web
>>> page I created that includes this info.
>>>
>>> http://www.eatonrapidsjunkbarn.com/medical/electricity.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Kirsteen Wright 
>>> Subject: CS>Zapper
>>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>> Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 9:13 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been seriously considering buying a zapper and am toying between
>>> these two. I'd really welcome any comments. Is there any advantage to having
>>> the dual frequency? I can see the timer might be a good idea.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dual-freqency-of-30KHZ-2-5KHZ_W0QQitemZ150430846490QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item2306608e1a
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>
>>> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Zapper-Dr-Hulda-Clark-with-built-in-electronic-timer_W0QQitemZ150433257357QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Health_Beauty_Natural_AlternativeTherapies?hash=item230685578d
>>>
>>> I've also seen a 12v zapper. Is that one any better?
>>>
>>> Any advice would be really welcome
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Kirsteen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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