Re: CS>Forum - some hard truths. Some hard opinions.

[Dee]

Well said Malcolm.  I have no problem with this group at all - I get all the 
emails every day and if something interests me then I'll join in. If I have a 
problem, I'll ask - and usually someone can help.  What more does anyone want? 
Dee

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> On 19 Feb 2015, at 21:35, Malcolm  wrote:
> 
> I have to respond; being another "dwindling member" with all-too-much
> flexibility and presently no access to internet of any sort beyond a
> land-line.  E-mail is hardly (you'll pardon me, I trust) a "deep rut"
> either, and has proven itself quite user-friendly.  
> 
> Rather it is the highly commercial ISP's which have mis-used the medium
> to extract whatever sale-able gains they can from it, and if you imagine
> they are not eager to do the same or worse to the consumer in forums or
> other sorts of lists you are deluded.
> 
> Further, the "collective wisdom" on this list remains  accessible in the
> archives, which have survived in spite of the machinations of the above
> mentioned Large, Profit Driven ISP's (oh, and don't forget Comcast.)  It
> is the community of dwindling members that have preserved their own
> copies of the archives and re-published them for us all; catch Yahooey
> doing that?!
> 
> Uncle Ben is a fine man, and brilliant; however his mind operates at a
> much greater speed than, say, 9,999 out of ten thousand.  This hardly
> qualifies as user-friendly for anyone but another Uncle-Ben, and often
> not for them either. I think you could figure this out - by observation
> if by no other means.
> 
> Have mercy and a little caution D&D; your "hard truths" are hard
> opinions, your examples less than exemplary, your disdain for
> contrasting thought, evident and contrary.  Your positive suggestions
> seem quite worthwhile, and if you spend more of your efforts on
> illustrating their benefits I'd be grateful.
> 
> Malcolm
> 
>> On Thu, 2015-02-19 at 23:57 +1030, Debra & David wrote:
>>> On 19/02/2015 12:38 AM, M.G. Devour wrote:
>>> 
>>> ... whatever platform you choose, I would strongly recommend that
>>> email notifications remain an optional feature. The ideal system will
>>> provide multiple communication methods, in order to reach/satisfy the
>>> largest potential audience.
>> 
>> The largest potential audience is best reached by a having a user
>> friendly forum. Not by having a forum that is stuck in a deep rut due
>> to the inflexibility of a few dwindling members. The growth of
>> vBulletin forums for even the most esoteric subjects should be a
>> lesson here.
>> 
>> (Mike, did you see Uncle Bens comment about why he posted once, then
>> gave up?).
>> 
>>> The list serves those who are comfortable with it just fine. I get that.
>>> It is not, however, doing fully what it was intended to do, which is
>>> bring the collective wisdom of our community to new people as well as
>>> foster technical discussions and development.
>> Sadly the 'collective wisdom' of this community is significantly less than 
>> it was 10 years ago. So much knowledge has passed through this forum, never 
>> to be seen again, that it is truly tragic. A couple of days ago I posted a 
>> message claiming I had discovered how to make crystal clear 200 ppm CS that 
>> was 50% ionic and 50% colloidal with particles smaller than Mesosilver. 10 
>> years ago this would have brought a storm of questions, skepticism and 
>> ridicule. Today it passed without comment by anyone except Jason.  Earlier 
>> in the week Floyd couldn't even get an answer to some pretty simple 
>> questions about his basic system. (My answer never appeared). More time has 
>> been spent discussing why he didnt get an answer than actually answering 
>> him. 
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway Mike, good luck with the search for a new format but I think you are 
>> barking up the wrong tree. Despite not having an email digest vBulletin is a 
>> proven success and has all the features you really need (including 
>> pictures!). You already have a license so why not give it a try as a 
>> parallel forum? If you do, my first post on it will be instructions on how 
>> to make that 'Super CS' I mentioned above.
>> 
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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CS>Forum - some hard truths. Some hard opinions.

[Malcolm]

I have to respond; being another "dwindling member" with all-too-much
flexibility and presently no access to internet of any sort beyond a
land-line.  E-mail is hardly (you'll pardon me, I trust) a "deep rut"
either, and has proven itself quite user-friendly.  

Rather it is the highly commercial ISP's which have mis-used the medium
to extract whatever sale-able gains they can from it, and if you imagine
they are not eager to do the same or worse to the consumer in forums or
other sorts of lists you are deluded.

Further, the "collective wisdom" on this list remains  accessible in the
archives, which have survived in spite of the machinations of the above
mentioned Large, Profit Driven ISP's (oh, and don't forget Comcast.)  It
is the community of dwindling members that have preserved their own
copies of the archives and re-published them for us all; catch Yahooey
doing that?!

Uncle Ben is a fine man, and brilliant; however his mind operates at a
much greater speed than, say, 9,999 out of ten thousand.  This hardly
qualifies as user-friendly for anyone but another Uncle-Ben, and often
not for them either. I think you could figure this out - by observation
if by no other means.

Have mercy and a little caution D&D; your "hard truths" are hard
opinions, your examples less than exemplary, your disdain for
contrasting thought, evident and contrary.  Your positive suggestions
seem quite worthwhile, and if you spend more of your efforts on
illustrating their benefits I'd be grateful.

Malcolm

On Thu, 2015-02-19 at 23:57 +1030, Debra & David wrote:
> On 19/02/2015 12:38 AM, M.G. Devour wrote:
> 
> > ... whatever platform you choose, I would strongly recommend that
> > email notifications remain an optional feature. The ideal system will
> > provide multiple communication methods, in order to reach/satisfy the
> > largest potential audience.
> 
> The largest potential audience is best reached by a having a user
> friendly forum. Not by having a forum that is stuck in a deep rut due
> to the inflexibility of a few dwindling members. The growth of
> vBulletin forums for even the most esoteric subjects should be a
> lesson here.
> 
> (Mike, did you see Uncle Bens comment about why he posted once, then
> gave up?).
> 
> > The list serves those who are comfortable with it just fine. I get that.
> > It is not, however, doing fully what it was intended to do, which is
> > bring the collective wisdom of our community to new people as well as
> > foster technical discussions and development.
> Sadly the 'collective wisdom' of this community is significantly less than it 
> was 10 years ago. So much knowledge has passed through this forum, never to 
> be seen again, that it is truly tragic. A couple of days ago I posted a 
> message claiming I had discovered how to make crystal clear 200 ppm CS that 
> was 50% ionic and 50% colloidal with particles smaller than Mesosilver. 10 
> years ago this would have brought a storm of questions, skepticism and 
> ridicule. Today it passed without comment by anyone except Jason.  Earlier in 
> the week Floyd couldn't even get an answer to some pretty simple questions 
> about his basic system. (My answer never appeared). More time has been spent 
> discussing why he didnt get an answer than actually answering him. 
> 
> 
> Anyway Mike, good luck with the search for a new format but I think you are 
> barking up the wrong tree. Despite not having an email digest vBulletin is a 
> proven success and has all the features you really need (including 
> pictures!). You already have a license so why not give it a try as a parallel 
> forum? If you do, my first post on it will be instructions on how to make 
> that 'Super CS' I mentioned above.
> 
> 
> David
> 
> 



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Re: CS>Forum - some hard truths.

[Gail Naranjo]

David:
I must have missed your post about making the 200ppm CS yesterday.  I probably 
just didn't see it as I seldom read each and ever post especially when things 
get busy.   But my question is, why?  What does one do with such a high ppm CS? 
 Is it better, as in more efficient, than the CS we usually make?
"Collective wisdom" :)  Wisdom is different than knowledge.  Wisdom is knowing 
what to do with the knowledge you have.   For me, I have to keep things simple. 
 People with cfs, Lyme, fibro all experience brain fog.  Some days are better 
than others, but as the saying goes, "of all the things I miss, I miss my mind 
the most."  And I so admire when I see a good brain working, but I doubt if I 
will ever be able to keep up.  Still it's a pleasure to watch.
There once was a woman (I think she was on this list) that made the comment she 
didn't understand all the technical stuff about CS, the different ppm or much 
of anything, but all she knew was the sovereign silver (I think that was the 
brand but not sure) worked better for her and gave her back her life.  I can't 
remember what she was treating tho.  I think it was Lyme.  We were talking 
about the different prices.   I understood completely about not understanding. 
  For me the extent of my expertise is a good quality distilled water, 
silver, current; cook till done, drink.  And that works for me.
There are archives for the list, but I don't know if they go back 10 years.  
People could search them and perhaps find more information if so inclined.  
I've noticed some posts don't make it to the archives tho.  Some posts don't 
make it through email to me either.  Speaking of Uncle Ben, his posts, for some 
reason, never came through to my email.  I only saw them in the archives.  The 
problem with the archive, tho, is you can't reply from there.   The posts not 
showing up, people not getting a response, or, for some, the lack of wisdom 
seems to be the greatest complaints.  I never understood why some posts go 
through and why others don't either, but if going to another forum will help, 
great.  I don't understand why it use to work and now it's not either.
Anyway, if this goes through, I hope you will answer my question about the 200 
ppm CS.
Gail 

 On Thursday, February 19, 2015 6:35 AM, Debra & David 
 wrote:
   

   On 19/02/2015 12:38 AM, M.G. Devour wrote:
  
 ... whatever platform you choose, I would strongly recommend that
email notifications remain an optional feature. The ideal system will
provide multiple communication methods, in order to reach/satisfy the
largest potential audience. 
 
 The largest potential audience is best reached by a having a user friendly 
forum. Not by having a forum that is stuck in a deep rut due to the 
inflexibility of a few dwindling members. The growth of vBulletin forums for 
even the most esoteric subjects should be a lesson here.
 
 (Mike, did you see Uncle Bens comment about why he posted once, then gave up?).
 
 
 The list serves those who are comfortable with it just fine. I get that.
It is not, however, doing fully what it was intended to do, which is
bring the collective wisdom of our community to new people as well as
foster technical discussions and development. 
 Sadly the 'collective wisdom' of this community is significantly less than it 
was 10 years ago. So much knowledge has passed through this forum, never to be 
seen again, that it is truly tragic. A couple of days ago I posted a message 
claiming I had discovered how to make crystal clear 200 ppm CS that was 50% 
ionic and 50% colloidal with particles smaller than Mesosilver. 10 years ago 
this would have brought a storm of questions, skepticism and ridicule. Today it 
passed without comment by anyone except Jason.  Earlier in the week Floyd 
couldn't even get an answer to some pretty simple questions about his basic 
system. (My answer never appeared). More time has been spent discussing why he 
didnt get an answer than actually answering him. 


Anyway Mike, good luck with the search for a new format but I think you are 
barking up the wrong tree. Despite not having an email digest vBulletin is a 
proven success and has all the features you really need (including pictures!). 
You already have a license so why not give it a try as a parallel forum? If you 
do, my first post on it will be instructions on how to make that 'Super CS' I 
mentioned above.


David


 

   

CS>Forum - some hard truths.

[Debra & David]

On 19/02/2015 12:38 AM, M.G. Devour wrote:

... whatever platform you choose, I would strongly recommend that
email notifications remain an optional feature. The ideal system will
provide multiple communication methods, in order to reach/satisfy the
largest potential audience.


The largest potential audience is best reached by a having a user 
friendly forum. Not by having a forum that is stuck in a deep rut due to 
the inflexibility of a few dwindling members. The growth of vBulletin 
forums for even the most esoteric subjects should be a lesson here.


(Mike, did you see Uncle Bens comment about why he posted once, then 
gave up?).



The list serves those who are comfortable with it just fine. I get that.
It is not, however, doing fully what it was intended to do, which is
bring the collective wisdom of our community to new people as well as
foster technical discussions and development.


Sadly the 'collective wisdom' of this community is significantly less than it 
was 10 years ago. So much knowledge has passed through this forum, never to be 
seen again, that it is truly tragic. A couple of days ago I posted a message 
claiming I had discovered how to make crystal clear 200 ppm CS that was 50% 
ionic and 50% colloidal with particles smaller than Mesosilver. 10 years ago 
this would have brought a storm of questions, skepticism and ridicule. Today it 
passed without comment by anyone except Jason.  Earlier in the week Floyd 
couldn't even get an answer to some pretty simple questions about his basic 
system. (My answer never appeared). More time has been spent discussing why he 
didnt get an answer than actually answering him.


Anyway Mike, good luck with the search for a new format but I think you are 
barking up the wrong tree. Despite not having an email digest vBulletin is a 
proven success and has all the features you really need (including pictures!). 
You already have a license so why not give it a try as a parallel forum? If you 
do, my first post on it will be instructions on how to make that 'Super CS' I 
mentioned above.


David

Re: CS>Forum Discussion - 18 Feb

[Sandra George]

I would like to thank, whom ever it was, for this discussion on a format change 
- it has brought out, how many of us, whether old or new to this link, just how 
much we all in our different ways appreciate Mike and what he has done for all 
of us over the years.
This is a place for sharing about Colloidal Silver in all it’s aspects and 
processes over the years.I myself have only been here for twelve years 
going into my thirteenth so I am a middle child - in reality I am the eldest 
!
What I have gleaned from all those who contribute in any and all ways has been 
wonderful, there are times when I
wonder if the link has disappeared because I do not get postings, and then all 
of a sudden things light up again.   I am
sure if it were truly possible to check exactly why this happens we would get 
multiple reasons, such is the downside of
this technology.
Without the new ones who join,  we oldies can become stagnant and this link 
would have died many years ago, once a subject has been understood, at whatever 
level each one of us chooses for ourselves, then where else is there to go ?
Making colloidal silver is an art and comprises many different aspects of the 
art itself, so there are bound to be many
different opinions on the process - the “ego" trips us all up into becoming 
complicated which then can produce heated
arguments as we have all witnessed from time to time.
Personally I appreciate all who post and all who share no matter what and how, 
so I thank you all for being here
contributing in your own very special way to this forum.
Thanks Mike for being a true captain 
Sandee🐬
Attitude is everything !!!
Sandra George
Colloidal Silver Products
Eye Drops & Topical Gel
aliveagai...@yahoo.com





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Re: CS>Forum

[mborgert]

Thank You
Mary
On Tue, 2/17/15, Jason  wrote:

 Subject: Re: CS>Forum
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 9:02 AM
 
 Hi Mary:
 
 There is really no need to do
 anything but rinse whatever scrub pad you 
 are using with distilled water.
 
 Kind Regards,
 
 Jason
 
 On
 2/17/2015 6:53 AM, mborg...@att.net
 wrote:
 >
 > Jason I
 have always wondered about cleaning the electrodes I
 thought
 > that you could clean with paper
 towels but I wondered about residue.
 > So
 how do you go about cleaning them with steel wool??? Do you
 pull
 > off part of the steel wool and
 discard or just use the whole piece?
 >
 How do you clean the steel wool?
 >
 Mary On Mon,
 2/16/15,
 > Jason 
 wrote:
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making better CS, was Re: CS>Forum

[sol]

Jason wrote:

Hi Sol:



On 2/17/2015 6:24 AM, sol wrote:


I may have to start cleaning my electrodes, but so far as I'm aware my
CS product works just fine. But I do confess maybe I would not be aware
if it were less effective than it could be. I use my CS a lot for
various purposes, but no longer use it in my body much because I have
"blue moons" and at one point began developing some grey under my eyes
and around my chin. (this was apparently due to spraying CS over a vit C
face product).



You make my point for me.  One "sparklie" in the solution represents 
what should be hundreds to thousands (who knows?) of of properly sized 
silver particles.  If you have hundreds of sparklies in a bad brew, 
you are upping your silver metal burden unnecessarily.  If you take 
silver on a daily basis, this is going to add up.
Well it certainly did add up. That explains a whole lot. I am really 
happy to have this information. Did you know this 10 years ago, or is 
this more recent? Just curious.


I know that people like to believe that particulate silver cannot 
cause argyria, but this is blatantly not true.

I certainly learned that.


I even directly challenged Frank Key on this issue with historic 
records; silver smiths getting argyria from inhalation of silver 
particles, but as usual, he just deflected, and nobody else seemed 
that interested.
I am deeply interested. Should have been paying much more attention to 
your posts, but with my difficulties, needing to minimize my time 
sitting at the computer for the past several years, a lot of information 
I didn't even know I needed slipped by me.


The whole point being that you can brew silver the right way, with the 
right controls, and get a superior product, and this can be done 
without that much extra trouble.


For my brews, I even get upset at the quality of distilled water 
available.  I like my distilled water to be nuetral pH with a 
conductivity measurement of 0.3 uS.
No argument there, I have had to use distilled water of 0.3 uS or less 
since I started making CS. I haven't been testing the distilled water 
for a couple years. Just went with the fact that I get water clear CS.  
But pH has been more difficult. Need to get some test strips for that. And


I measure the water directly from the bottle, I measure it once I put 
it in the brewing vessel, and I measure it afterwards.

I will start doing those tests again.


With EIS, you want LESS silver, and a quality brew, over a MORE silver 
low quality brew.  If you want MORE silver, then it's better to try to 
use a product like silver citrate.


(Except, of course, those experimenting with higher PPM isolated 
silver products for the sake of experimentation).


I do make high PPM silver stronger on the colloidal side for external 
uses for use with clay, for example, by using heated distilled water.




Do you mean his regular U shape electrodes, or something different? (I
may have skipped over some posts about this).


Yes...  Ken's U shape electrodes for the Silver Puppy.

~Jason
Thanks Jason. This whole thread has rekindled my interest in the details 
of CS making and how (and why_ to get a better CS. It is good to see a 
technical discussion again! Reminds me of the old days.

sol


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[Jason]

Hi Sol:



On 2/17/2015 6:24 AM, sol wrote:


I may have to start cleaning my electrodes, but so far as I'm aware my
CS product works just fine. But I do confess maybe I would not be aware
if it were less effective than it could be. I use my CS a lot for
various purposes, but no longer use it in my body much because I have
"blue moons" and at one point began developing some grey under my eyes
and around my chin. (this was apparently due to spraying CS over a vit C
face product).



You make my point for me.  One "sparklie" in the solution represents 
what should be hundreds to thousands (who knows?) of of properly sized 
silver particles.  If you have hundreds of sparklies in a bad brew, you 
are upping your silver metal burden unnecessarily.  If you take silver 
on a daily basis, this is going to add up.


I know that people like to believe that particulate silver cannot cause 
argyria, but this is blatantly not true.


I even directly challenged Frank Key on this issue with historic 
records; silver smiths getting argyria from inhalation of silver 
particles, but as usual, he just deflected, and nobody else seemed that 
interested.


The whole point being that you can brew silver the right way, with the 
right controls, and get a superior product, and this can be done without 
that much extra trouble.


For my brews, I even get upset at the quality of distilled water 
available.  I like my distilled water to be nuetral pH with a 
conductivity measurement of 0.3 uS.


I measure the water directly from the bottle, I measure it once I put it 
in the brewing vessel, and I measure it afterwards.


With EIS, you want LESS silver, and a quality brew, over a MORE silver 
low quality brew.  If you want MORE silver, then it's better to try to 
use a product like silver citrate.


(Except, of course, those experimenting with higher PPM isolated silver 
products for the sake of experimentation).


I do make high PPM silver stronger on the colloidal side for external 
uses for use with clay, for example, by using heated distilled water.




Do you mean his regular U shape electrodes, or something different? (I
may have skipped over some posts about this).


Yes...  Ken's U shape electrodes for the Silver Puppy.

~Jason


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Re: CS>Forum

[Jason]

Hi Mary:

There is really no need to do anything but rinse whatever scrub pad you 
are using with distilled water.


Kind Regards,

Jason

On 2/17/2015 6:53 AM, mborg...@att.net wrote:


Jason I have always wondered about cleaning the electrodes I thought
that you could clean with paper towels but I wondered about residue.
So how do you go about cleaning them with steel wool??? Do you pull
off part of the steel wool and discard or just use the whole piece?
How do you clean the steel wool?
Mary On Mon, 2/16/15,
Jason  wrote:




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[mborgert]

Jason
I have always wondered about cleaning the electrodes I thought that you could 
clean with paper towels but I wondered about residue.
So how do you go about cleaning them with steel wool??? Do you pull off part of 
the steel wool and discard or just use the whole piece? 
How do you clean the steel wool?
Mary
On Mon, 2/16/15, Jason  wrote:

 Subject: Re: CS>Forum
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Monday, February 16, 2015, 6:30 PM
 
 Hi Gail:
 
 Back in 2002, I did some neat experiments using home-made
 laser arrays 
 and video photography.
 
 I did comparisons between very clean electrodes (steel wool
 is fine) and 
 electrodes that had been used four or five times without
 cleaning.
 
 By using red lasers in a dark room shown through the glass
 production 
 container, aimed between the two electrodes, and filming the
 process, 
 then speeding it up about six times and watching the brew
 process in 
 fast motion, you can really see the effect on the particle
 sizing.
 
 You start to get lots and lots of "sparklies" with the "bad"
 electrodes, 
 some heavy enough that you can watch them fall downwards,
 dropping out 
 of suspension, and some larger than I'd like that are still
 small enough 
 to stay in suspension.
 
 It has to do with normal electrode wear, and oxidation as
 well.  I 
 always clean my electrodes well right before brewing, and
 have done so 
 since that time.
 
 PS:  I thought you might be very interested in THIS
 article:
 
 http://phoenixrising.me/archives/16017
 
 ~Jason
 
 
 On 2/16/2015 10:00 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 > Hi Jason,
 >
 > I don't do Facebook.  I just thought its so
 popular most must have gone to it.  Personally I think
 some things should be more private then what Facebook
 is.   Seems like, from what I hear,there's
 nothing private.
 >
 > Well I see my post went through so How do u clean
 ur electrodes and test to know its a better
 quality?   I clean mine with a simple steel
 pad.  Don't know if the quality is any better as I've
 always cleaned them.
 >
 > Gail
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Re: CS>Forum

[sol]

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Jason > wrote:



I'm all for getting away from the status quo, because the status
quo means stagnation.

I can't remember that last time I heard an original idea on the
silverlist... oh wait, I can!  It was from David, and the last
before that was probably a rehash on some ideas pioneered by
Brooks Bradley.

Stagnation has happened on every single list I've ever been on, 
regardless of the format or list host. I doubt format affects it.



I was on the phone with Peter Lindeman last year, and had a great
discussion about brewing silver for a few weeks using only a
trickle of a current solar-generated. This slow process creates
some amazing crystallization effects.

Also, posts that have gotten through in the past few years have
gone largely ignored.  I do a yearly test here about the
importance of cleaning the silver electrodes if you really want a
great product.

I may have to start cleaning my electrodes, but so far as I'm aware my 
CS product works just fine. But I do confess maybe I would not be aware 
if it were less effective than it could be. I use my CS a lot for 
various purposes, but no longer use it in my body much because I have 
"blue moons" and at one point began developing some grey under my eyes 
and around my chin. (this was apparently due to spraying CS over a vit C 
face product).



I always get the same response.  Not even anyone curious about
how I personally tested this theory or how they can test to see
the difference in quality.  Just three people or so saying they
have no need to clean the electrodes.

I'm one of those. But maybe I should change that idea. However, for use 
to clean a cutting board, wipe a counter, spray on the outside of 
bottles of soda before they go into the fridge, I'm not sure the extra 
trouble is worth it. How to know? and I will ask because I'd like to 
know how you test the difference in quality in vivo?



I really like the last innovation I'd seen from Ken; those looped
electrodes make a big difference in cutting down electrode
degradation.

Do you mean his regular U shape electrodes, or something different? (I 
may have skipped over some posts about this).

thanks,
sol

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RE: CS>Forum

[david moskovits]

Hi
Just because people dont respond doesn't mean they didnt get  the  ideas you 
are posting, and learning new things. I still dont have a silver generator but 
Im learning a lot from the posts. Keep them coming we all care even if we are 
quite.  

> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:36:32 -0800
> From: ja...@eytonsearth.org
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Forum
> 
> Hi Dan:
> 
> It's not that it is a big deal (or desireable even) it's about the 
> creativity and exploration.
> 
> The idea of a slow burn is a favorite amongst some of the old timers (no 
> longer part of the list, I believe)... brewing silver according to moon 
> cycles, and other more "ancient" patient practices.
> 
> What was noticed was that via this slow burn, the silver ions or 
> particles deeply penetrated the glass container forming complex crystals 
> in the glass itselfway to deep into the glass to even sand away.
> 
> I would greatly like to see a TEM of what the silver particles look like 
> via this process, but I no longer have access to this equipment.
> 
> We know that the FAST burn method (HVAC) creates larger, very jagged 
> crystalline silver particles via the work of Ole Bob Berger.
> 
> I'm wondering if the slow burn process creates much more refined and 
> non-chaotically organized colloidal crystalline particles.
> 
> ~Jason
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/16/2015 10:56 AM, Dan Nave wrote:
> > Jason,
> >
> > Time for your yearly post on cleaning electrodes.  Frankly, I seem to
> > have missed it...
> >
> > I would also be interested in hearing about the "crystallization
> > effects" of the slow brew process.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Jason  > <mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Gail/David:
> >
> > Facebook is the worst of the worst for their groups setup and activity.
> >
> > The lack of accurate information on those groups is astounding, and even
> > when someone posts something of real value, it is lost in obscurity a
> > few minutes later... not to mention the instant bullying and control
> > freaks that thrive in such a setting.
> >
> > I'm very active in some other lists because there is a lot of very
> > dynamic exchanges of ideas.
> >
> > I'm all for getting away from the status quo, because the status quo
> > means stagnation.
> >
> > I can't remember that last time I heard an original idea on the
> > silverlist... oh wait, I can!  It was from David, and the last
> > before that was probably a rehash on some ideas pioneered by Brooks
> > Bradley.
> >
> > I was on the phone with Peter Lindeman last year, and had a great
> > discussion about brewing silver for a few weeks using only a trickle
> > of a current solar-generated. This slow process creates some amazing
> > crystallization effects.
> >
> > Also, posts that have gotten through in the past few years have gone
> > largely ignored.  I do a yearly test here about the importance of
> > cleaning the silver electrodes if you really want a great product.
> >
> > I always get the same response.  Not even anyone curious about how I
> > personally tested this theory or how they can test to see the
> > difference in quality.  Just three people or so saying they have no
> > need to clean the electrodes.
> >
> > I really like the last innovation I'd seen from Ken; those looped
> > electrodes make a big difference in cutting down electrode degradation.
> >
> > ...also, Trem's electrode configuration on the SG-7 is excellent,
> > and I think it only works so well because he uses both polarity
> > reversal and water-pump driven water circulation.
> >
> > ~Jason
> >
> >
> > On 2/16/2015 8:25 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com
> > <mailto:wanda85...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Do u think a new forum will really help?
> >
> > Personally I think many have gone to Facebook.   I'm amazed how so
> > many groups r dying out when they use to be so active.People
> > must
> > be off doing other things with their life.  I know I've lost
> > interest
> > as I'm busy with other things.
> >
> > This list is kind of like old faithful to me.  I just assumed it
> > would go on as usual.
>

Re: CS>Forum

[Jason]

Hi Dan:

It's not that it is a big deal (or desireable even) it's about the 
creativity and exploration.


The idea of a slow burn is a favorite amongst some of the old timers (no 
longer part of the list, I believe)... brewing silver according to moon 
cycles, and other more "ancient" patient practices.


What was noticed was that via this slow burn, the silver ions or 
particles deeply penetrated the glass container forming complex crystals 
in the glass itselfway to deep into the glass to even sand away.


I would greatly like to see a TEM of what the silver particles look like 
via this process, but I no longer have access to this equipment.


We know that the FAST burn method (HVAC) creates larger, very jagged 
crystalline silver particles via the work of Ole Bob Berger.


I'm wondering if the slow burn process creates much more refined and 
non-chaotically organized colloidal crystalline particles.


~Jason



On 2/16/2015 10:56 AM, Dan Nave wrote:

Jason,

Time for your yearly post on cleaning electrodes.  Frankly, I seem to
have missed it...

I would also be interested in hearing about the "crystallization
effects" of the slow brew process.

Dan

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Jason mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org>> wrote:

Hi Gail/David:

Facebook is the worst of the worst for their groups setup and activity.

The lack of accurate information on those groups is astounding, and even
when someone posts something of real value, it is lost in obscurity a
few minutes later... not to mention the instant bullying and control
freaks that thrive in such a setting.

I'm very active in some other lists because there is a lot of very
dynamic exchanges of ideas.

I'm all for getting away from the status quo, because the status quo
means stagnation.

I can't remember that last time I heard an original idea on the
silverlist... oh wait, I can!  It was from David, and the last
before that was probably a rehash on some ideas pioneered by Brooks
Bradley.

I was on the phone with Peter Lindeman last year, and had a great
discussion about brewing silver for a few weeks using only a trickle
of a current solar-generated. This slow process creates some amazing
crystallization effects.

Also, posts that have gotten through in the past few years have gone
largely ignored.  I do a yearly test here about the importance of
cleaning the silver electrodes if you really want a great product.

I always get the same response.  Not even anyone curious about how I
personally tested this theory or how they can test to see the
difference in quality.  Just three people or so saying they have no
need to clean the electrodes.

I really like the last innovation I'd seen from Ken; those looped
electrodes make a big difference in cutting down electrode degradation.

...also, Trem's electrode configuration on the SG-7 is excellent,
and I think it only works so well because he uses both polarity
reversal and water-pump driven water circulation.

~Jason


On 2/16/2015 8:25 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

Hi David,

Do u think a new forum will really help?

Personally I think many have gone to Facebook.   I'm amazed how so
many groups r dying out when they use to be so active.People
must
be off doing other things with their life.  I know I've lost
interest
as I'm busy with other things.

This list is kind of like old faithful to me.  I just assumed it
would go on as usual.

Uncle Ben would have certainly added some spice to the group.   Who
knows maybe his posts aren't getting through either so he gave up.

I don't post often either as I really just don't have much to
say and
some of the few posts I've tried to post didn't show up either.
Hopefully things will straighten out quickly.

Now let's see if this goes through fwiw.

Gail



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[Jason]

Hi Gail:

Back in 2002, I did some neat experiments using home-made laser arrays 
and video photography.


I did comparisons between very clean electrodes (steel wool is fine) and 
electrodes that had been used four or five times without cleaning.


By using red lasers in a dark room shown through the glass production 
container, aimed between the two electrodes, and filming the process, 
then speeding it up about six times and watching the brew process in 
fast motion, you can really see the effect on the particle sizing.


You start to get lots and lots of "sparklies" with the "bad" electrodes, 
some heavy enough that you can watch them fall downwards, dropping out 
of suspension, and some larger than I'd like that are still small enough 
to stay in suspension.


It has to do with normal electrode wear, and oxidation as well.  I 
always clean my electrodes well right before brewing, and have done so 
since that time.


PS:  I thought you might be very interested in THIS article:

http://phoenixrising.me/archives/16017

~Jason


On 2/16/2015 10:00 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Jason,

I don't do Facebook.  I just thought its so popular most must have gone to it.  
Personally I think some things should be more private then what Facebook is.   
Seems like, from what I hear,there's nothing private.

Well I see my post went through so How do u clean ur electrodes and test to 
know its a better quality?   I clean mine with a simple steel pad.  Don't know 
if the quality is any better as I've always cleaned them.

Gail




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RE: CS>Forum

[Neville]

@ Ron...Select something round of the desired diameter and just bend the wire 
around it to form a loop, that's all I did, and then soldered each end into 
banana plugs, which in turn fit into the banana sockets on my generator, 
simples .  In my case I used a 1 1/2" diameter piece of pipe I had laying 
around.
N.

> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 18:01:17 -0800
> From: ja...@eytonsearth.org
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>Forum
> 
> Hi Ron:
> 
> You'll have to ask Ode about the looped electrodes:
> 
> https://silverpuppy.com/files/styles/uc_product_full/public/products/silver_9_kit_parts_0.jpg
> 
> ...with this configuration, you have no jagged edges of silver in the water.
> 
> ~Jason
> 
> 
> On 2/16/2015 10:17 AM, Ron wrote:
> > Yes. And how do you loop electrodes and Trem's electrode configuration?
> > All sounds interesting.
> > Hard to believe that 3 people on this list think it unnecessary to clean
> > electrodes and didn't get a lot of static for it.
> > Ron
> >
> > On 2/16/2015 10:00 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> Hi Jason,
> >>
> >> I don't do Facebook.  I just thought its so popular most must have
> >> gone to it.  Personally I think some things should be more private
> >> then what Facebook is.   Seems like, from what I hear,there's nothing
> >> private.
> >>
> >> Well I see my post went through so How do u clean ur electrodes
> >> and test to know its a better quality?   I clean mine with a simple
> >> steel pad.  Don't know if the quality is any better as I've always
> >> cleaned them.
> >>
> >> Gail
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 16, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Jason  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Gail/David:
> >>>
> >>> Facebook is the worst of the worst for their groups setup and activity.
> >>>
> >>> The lack of accurate information on those groups is astounding, and even
> >>> when someone posts something of real value, it is lost in obscurity a
> >>> few minutes later... not to mention the instant bullying and control
> >>> freaks that thrive in such a setting.
> >>>
> >>> I'm very active in some other lists because there is a lot of very
> >>> dynamic exchanges of ideas.
> >>>
> >>> I'm all for getting away from the status quo, because the status quo
> >>> means stagnation.
> >>>
> >>> I can't remember that last time I heard an original idea on the
> >>> silverlist... oh wait, I can!  It was from David, and the last before
> >>> that was probably a rehash on some ideas pioneered by Brooks Bradley.
> >>>
> >>> I was on the phone with Peter Lindeman last year, and had a great
> >>> discussion about brewing silver for a few weeks using only a trickle
> >>> of a current solar-generated. This slow process creates some amazing
> >>> crystallization effects.
> >>>
> >>> Also, posts that have gotten through in the past few years have gone
> >>> largely ignored.  I do a yearly test here about the importance of
> >>> cleaning the silver electrodes if you really want a great product.
> >>>
> >>> I always get the same response.  Not even anyone curious about how I
> >>> personally tested this theory or how they can test to see the
> >>> difference in quality.  Just three people or so saying they have no
> >>> need to clean the electrodes.
> >>>
> >>> I really like the last innovation I'd seen from Ken; those looped
> >>> electrodes make a big difference in cutting down electrode degradation.
> >>>
> >>> ...also, Trem's electrode configuration on the SG-7 is excellent, and
> >>> I think it only works so well because he uses both polarity reversal
> >>> and water-pump driven water circulation.
> >>>
> >>> ~Jason
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 2/16/2015 8:25 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>> Hi David,
> >>>>
> >>>> Do u think a new forum will really help?
> >>>>
> >>>> Personally I think many have gone to Facebook.   I'm amazed how so
> >>>> many groups r dying out when they use to be so active.People must
> >>>> be off doing other things with their life.  I know I've lost interest
> >>>> as I'm b

Re: CS>Forum

[Jason]

Hi Ron:

You'll have to ask Ode about the looped electrodes:

https://silverpuppy.com/files/styles/uc_product_full/public/products/silver_9_kit_parts_0.jpg

...with this configuration, you have no jagged edges of silver in the water.

~Jason


On 2/16/2015 10:17 AM, Ron wrote:

Yes. And how do you loop electrodes and Trem's electrode configuration?
All sounds interesting.
Hard to believe that 3 people on this list think it unnecessary to clean
electrodes and didn't get a lot of static for it.
Ron

On 2/16/2015 10:00 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Jason,

I don't do Facebook.  I just thought its so popular most must have
gone to it.  Personally I think some things should be more private
then what Facebook is.   Seems like, from what I hear,there's nothing
private.

Well I see my post went through so How do u clean ur electrodes
and test to know its a better quality?   I clean mine with a simple
steel pad.  Don't know if the quality is any better as I've always
cleaned them.

Gail

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 16, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Jason  wrote:

Hi Gail/David:

Facebook is the worst of the worst for their groups setup and activity.

The lack of accurate information on those groups is astounding, and even
when someone posts something of real value, it is lost in obscurity a
few minutes later... not to mention the instant bullying and control
freaks that thrive in such a setting.

I'm very active in some other lists because there is a lot of very
dynamic exchanges of ideas.

I'm all for getting away from the status quo, because the status quo
means stagnation.

I can't remember that last time I heard an original idea on the
silverlist... oh wait, I can!  It was from David, and the last before
that was probably a rehash on some ideas pioneered by Brooks Bradley.

I was on the phone with Peter Lindeman last year, and had a great
discussion about brewing silver for a few weeks using only a trickle
of a current solar-generated. This slow process creates some amazing
crystallization effects.

Also, posts that have gotten through in the past few years have gone
largely ignored.  I do a yearly test here about the importance of
cleaning the silver electrodes if you really want a great product.

I always get the same response.  Not even anyone curious about how I
personally tested this theory or how they can test to see the
difference in quality.  Just three people or so saying they have no
need to clean the electrodes.

I really like the last innovation I'd seen from Ken; those looped
electrodes make a big difference in cutting down electrode degradation.

...also, Trem's electrode configuration on the SG-7 is excellent, and
I think it only works so well because he uses both polarity reversal
and water-pump driven water circulation.

~Jason



On 2/16/2015 8:25 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi David,

Do u think a new forum will really help?

Personally I think many have gone to Facebook.   I'm amazed how so
many groups r dying out when they use to be so active.People must
be off doing other things with their life.  I know I've lost interest
as I'm busy with other things.

This list is kind of like old faithful to me.  I just assumed it
would go on as usual.

Uncle Ben would have certainly added some spice to the group.   Who
knows maybe his posts aren't getting through either so he gave up.

I don't post often either as I really just don't have much to say and
some of the few posts I've tried to post didn't show up either.
Hopefully things will straighten out quickly.

Now let's see if this goes through fwiw.

Gail


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[Theresa]

And WHY do I want crystals?
Theresa

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 16, 2015, at 12:56 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:
> 
> Jason,
> 
> Time for your yearly post on cleaning electrodes.  Frankly, I seem to have 
> missed it...
> 
> I would also be interested in hearing about the "crystallization effects" of 
> the slow brew process.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Jason  wrote:
>> Hi Gail/David:
>> 
>> Facebook is the worst of the worst for their groups setup and activity.
>> 
>> The lack of accurate information on those groups is astounding, and even
>> when someone posts something of real value, it is lost in obscurity a
>> few minutes later... not to mention the instant bullying and control freaks 
>> that thrive in such a setting.
>> 
>> I'm very active in some other lists because there is a lot of very dynamic 
>> exchanges of ideas.
>> 
>> I'm all for getting away from the status quo, because the status quo means 
>> stagnation.
>> 
>> I can't remember that last time I heard an original idea on the 
>> silverlist... oh wait, I can!  It was from David, and the last before that 
>> was probably a rehash on some ideas pioneered by Brooks Bradley.
>> 
>> I was on the phone with Peter Lindeman last year, and had a great discussion 
>> about brewing silver for a few weeks using only a trickle of a current 
>> solar-generated. This slow process creates some amazing crystallization 
>> effects.
>> 
>> Also, posts that have gotten through in the past few years have gone largely 
>> ignored.  I do a yearly test here about the importance of cleaning the 
>> silver electrodes if you really want a great product.
>> 
>> I always get the same response.  Not even anyone curious about how I 
>> personally tested this theory or how they can test to see the difference in 
>> quality.  Just three people or so saying they have no need to clean the 
>> electrodes.
>> 
>> I really like the last innovation I'd seen from Ken; those looped electrodes 
>> make a big difference in cutting down electrode degradation.
>> 
>> ...also, Trem's electrode configuration on the SG-7 is excellent, and I 
>> think it only works so well because he uses both polarity reversal and 
>> water-pump driven water circulation.
>> 
>> ~Jason
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/16/2015 8:25 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> Do u think a new forum will really help?
>>> 
>>> Personally I think many have gone to Facebook.   I'm amazed how so
>>> many groups r dying out when they use to be so active.People must
>>> be off doing other things with their life.  I know I've lost interest
>>> as I'm busy with other things.
>>> 
>>> This list is kind of like old faithful to me.  I just assumed it
>>> would go on as usual.
>>> 
>>> Uncle Ben would have certainly added some spice to the group.   Who
>>> knows maybe his posts aren't getting through either so he gave up.
>>> 
>>> I don't post often either as I really just don't have much to say and
>>> some of the few posts I've tried to post didn't show up either.
>>> Hopefully things will straighten out quickly.
>>> 
>>> Now let's see if this goes through fwiw.
>>> 
>>> Gail
>> 
>> 
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Re: CS>Forum

[Dan Nave]

Jason,

Time for your yearly post on cleaning electrodes.  Frankly, I seem to have
missed it...

I would also be interested in hearing about the "crystallization effects"
of the slow brew process.

Dan

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Jason  wrote:

> Hi Gail/David:
>
> Facebook is the worst of the worst for their groups setup and activity.
>
> The lack of accurate information on those groups is astounding, and even
> when someone posts something of real value, it is lost in obscurity a
> few minutes later... not to mention the instant bullying and control
> freaks that thrive in such a setting.
>
> I'm very active in some other lists because there is a lot of very dynamic
> exchanges of ideas.
>
> I'm all for getting away from the status quo, because the status quo means
> stagnation.
>
> I can't remember that last time I heard an original idea on the
> silverlist... oh wait, I can!  It was from David, and the last before that
> was probably a rehash on some ideas pioneered by Brooks Bradley.
>
> I was on the phone with Peter Lindeman last year, and had a great
> discussion about brewing silver for a few weeks using only a trickle of a
> current solar-generated. This slow process creates some amazing
> crystallization effects.
>
> Also, posts that have gotten through in the past few years have gone
> largely ignored.  I do a yearly test here about the importance of cleaning
> the silver electrodes if you really want a great product.
>
> I always get the same response.  Not even anyone curious about how I
> personally tested this theory or how they can test to see the difference in
> quality.  Just three people or so saying they have no need to clean the
> electrodes.
>
> I really like the last innovation I'd seen from Ken; those looped
> electrodes make a big difference in cutting down electrode degradation.
>
> ...also, Trem's electrode configuration on the SG-7 is excellent, and I
> think it only works so well because he uses both polarity reversal and
> water-pump driven water circulation.
>
> ~Jason
>
>
> On 2/16/2015 8:25 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Do u think a new forum will really help?
>>
>> Personally I think many have gone to Facebook.   I'm amazed how so
>> many groups r dying out when they use to be so active.People must
>> be off doing other things with their life.  I know I've lost interest
>> as I'm busy with other things.
>>
>> This list is kind of like old faithful to me.  I just assumed it
>> would go on as usual.
>>
>> Uncle Ben would have certainly added some spice to the group.   Who
>> knows maybe his posts aren't getting through either so he gave up.
>>
>> I don't post often either as I really just don't have much to say and
>> some of the few posts I've tried to post didn't show up either.
>> Hopefully things will straighten out quickly.
>>
>> Now let's see if this goes through fwiw.
>>
>> Gail
>>
>
>
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Re: CS>Forum

[V]

Face book has had defections since its new anything but private policy
began Jan 1 of this year. Hoping more will defect and this is a really good
article explaining why it is a stellar idea to do that. I deleted all my
pictures and then deleted my account in early Dec. My family and friends
are still on there though and that does disappoint me greatly!
http://saintsal.com/facebook/

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 10:25 AM,  wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Do u think a new forum will really help?
>
> Personally I think many have gone to Facebook.   I'm amazed how so many
> groups r dying out when they use to be so active.People must be off
> doing other things with their life.  I know I've lost interest as I'm busy
> with other things.
>
> This list is kind of like old faithful to me.  I just assumed it would go
> on as usual.
>
> Uncle Ben would have certainly added some spice to the group.   Who knows
> maybe his posts aren't getting through either so he gave up.
>
> I don't post often either as I really just don't have much to say and some
> of the few posts I've tried to post didn't show up either.   Hopefully
> things will straighten out quickly.
>
> Now let's see if this goes through fwiw.
>
> Gail
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 15, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Debra & David  wrote:
> >
> > Mike.
> >
> > A few points...
> >
> > 1. Technology is going to kill off this list sooner or later. (Probably
> sooner). Its becoming increasingly difficult to even view it these days.
> 'Thunderbird' on some new PC's won't even display the digest  without
> clicking each individual post. And responding is getting harder all the
> time as has been mentioned about a thousand times.
> >
> > 2. As a list for the dissemination of info about silver its starting to
> fail because no thread nowadays proceeds beyond the most basic level.
> Threads or questions get broken or jumbled up so fast they soon become
> incoherent.  It seems that most threads on this list are now not about
> silver at all, and the ones that are are so basic that few members have
> much enthusiasm for answering them.
> >
> > 3. Your most experienced and knowledgeable members are posting less and
> less. (And potentially valuable new members dissappear as fast as they
> appear. How long did Uncle Ben last?)
> >
> > 4. A new forum will be a big success if you support it and eventually
> shut this one down.
> >
> > David
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Re: CS>Forum

[Ron]

Yes. And how do you loop electrodes and Trem's electrode configuration?
All sounds interesting.
Hard to believe that 3 people on this list think it unnecessary to clean 
electrodes and didn't get a lot of static for it.

Ron

On 2/16/2015 10:00 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Jason,

I don't do Facebook.  I just thought its so popular most must have gone to it.  
Personally I think some things should be more private then what Facebook is.   
Seems like, from what I hear,there's nothing private.

Well I see my post went through so How do u clean ur electrodes and test to 
know its a better quality?   I clean mine with a simple steel pad.  Don't know 
if the quality is any better as I've always cleaned them.

Gail

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 16, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Jason  wrote:

Hi Gail/David:

Facebook is the worst of the worst for their groups setup and activity.

The lack of accurate information on those groups is astounding, and even
when someone posts something of real value, it is lost in obscurity a
few minutes later... not to mention the instant bullying and control freaks 
that thrive in such a setting.

I'm very active in some other lists because there is a lot of very dynamic 
exchanges of ideas.

I'm all for getting away from the status quo, because the status quo means 
stagnation.

I can't remember that last time I heard an original idea on the silverlist... 
oh wait, I can!  It was from David, and the last before that was probably a 
rehash on some ideas pioneered by Brooks Bradley.

I was on the phone with Peter Lindeman last year, and had a great discussion 
about brewing silver for a few weeks using only a trickle of a current 
solar-generated. This slow process creates some amazing crystallization effects.

Also, posts that have gotten through in the past few years have gone largely 
ignored.  I do a yearly test here about the importance of cleaning the silver 
electrodes if you really want a great product.

I always get the same response.  Not even anyone curious about how I personally 
tested this theory or how they can test to see the difference in quality.  Just 
three people or so saying they have no need to clean the electrodes.

I really like the last innovation I'd seen from Ken; those looped electrodes 
make a big difference in cutting down electrode degradation.

...also, Trem's electrode configuration on the SG-7 is excellent, and I think 
it only works so well because he uses both polarity reversal and water-pump 
driven water circulation.

~Jason



On 2/16/2015 8:25 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi David,

Do u think a new forum will really help?

Personally I think many have gone to Facebook.   I'm amazed how so
many groups r dying out when they use to be so active.People must
be off doing other things with their life.  I know I've lost interest
as I'm busy with other things.

This list is kind of like old faithful to me.  I just assumed it
would go on as usual.

Uncle Ben would have certainly added some spice to the group.   Who
knows maybe his posts aren't getting through either so he gave up.

I don't post often either as I really just don't have much to say and
some of the few posts I've tried to post didn't show up either.
Hopefully things will straighten out quickly.

Now let's see if this goes through fwiw.

Gail


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Re: CS>Forum

[Joe Huard]

Consider encrypted email if you want total privacy. However, I don't 
know how to do that on a group.
I have also read that people are being prosecuted for using encryption 
in some countries. So they are owned by the state, which is owned by the 
powers that be. Those who want no competition and will wipe any new 
innovation out if it conflicts with their bottom line.

Joe
On 2015-02-16 1:00 PM, wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Jason,

I don't do Facebook.  I just thought its so popular most must have gone to it.  
Personally I think some things should be more private then what Facebook is.   
Seems like, from what I hear,there's nothing private.

Well I see my post went through so How do u clean ur electrodes and test to 
know its a better quality?   I clean mine with a simple steel pad.  Don't know 
if the quality is any better as I've always cleaned them.

Gail

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 16, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Jason  wrote:

Hi Gail/David:

Facebook is the worst of the worst for their groups setup and activity.

The lack of accurate information on those groups is astounding, and even
when someone posts something of real value, it is lost in obscurity a
few minutes later... not to mention the instant bullying and control freaks 
that thrive in such a setting.

I'm very active in some other lists because there is a lot of very dynamic 
exchanges of ideas.

I'm all for getting away from the status quo, because the status quo means 
stagnation.

I can't remember that last time I heard an original idea on the silverlist... 
oh wait, I can!  It was from David, and the last before that was probably a 
rehash on some ideas pioneered by Brooks Bradley.

I was on the phone with Peter Lindeman last year, and had a great discussion 
about brewing silver for a few weeks using only a trickle of a current 
solar-generated. This slow process creates some amazing crystallization effects.

Also, posts that have gotten through in the past few years have gone largely 
ignored.  I do a yearly test here about the importance of cleaning the silver 
electrodes if you really want a great product.

I always get the same response.  Not even anyone curious about how I personally 
tested this theory or how they can test to see the difference in quality.  Just 
three people or so saying they have no need to clean the electrodes.

I really like the last innovation I'd seen from Ken; those looped electrodes 
make a big difference in cutting down electrode degradation.

...also, Trem's electrode configuration on the SG-7 is excellent, and I think 
it only works so well because he uses both polarity reversal and water-pump 
driven water circulation.

~Jason



On 2/16/2015 8:25 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi David,

Do u think a new forum will really help?

Personally I think many have gone to Facebook.   I'm amazed how so
many groups r dying out when they use to be so active.People must
be off doing other things with their life.  I know I've lost interest
as I'm busy with other things.

This list is kind of like old faithful to me.  I just assumed it
would go on as usual.

Uncle Ben would have certainly added some spice to the group.   Who
knows maybe his posts aren't getting through either so he gave up.

I don't post often either as I really just don't have much to say and
some of the few posts I've tried to post didn't show up either.
Hopefully things will straighten out quickly.

Now let's see if this goes through fwiw.

Gail


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Re: CS>Forum

[wanda85929]

Hi Jason,

I don't do Facebook.  I just thought its so popular most must have gone to it.  
Personally I think some things should be more private then what Facebook is.   
Seems like, from what I hear,there's nothing private. 

Well I see my post went through so How do u clean ur electrodes and test to 
know its a better quality?   I clean mine with a simple steel pad.  Don't know 
if the quality is any better as I've always cleaned them.   

Gail

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 16, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Jason  wrote:
> 
> Hi Gail/David:
> 
> Facebook is the worst of the worst for their groups setup and activity.
> 
> The lack of accurate information on those groups is astounding, and even
> when someone posts something of real value, it is lost in obscurity a
> few minutes later... not to mention the instant bullying and control freaks 
> that thrive in such a setting.
> 
> I'm very active in some other lists because there is a lot of very dynamic 
> exchanges of ideas.
> 
> I'm all for getting away from the status quo, because the status quo means 
> stagnation.
> 
> I can't remember that last time I heard an original idea on the silverlist... 
> oh wait, I can!  It was from David, and the last before that was probably a 
> rehash on some ideas pioneered by Brooks Bradley.
> 
> I was on the phone with Peter Lindeman last year, and had a great discussion 
> about brewing silver for a few weeks using only a trickle of a current 
> solar-generated. This slow process creates some amazing crystallization 
> effects.
> 
> Also, posts that have gotten through in the past few years have gone largely 
> ignored.  I do a yearly test here about the importance of cleaning the silver 
> electrodes if you really want a great product.
> 
> I always get the same response.  Not even anyone curious about how I 
> personally tested this theory or how they can test to see the difference in 
> quality.  Just three people or so saying they have no need to clean the 
> electrodes.
> 
> I really like the last innovation I'd seen from Ken; those looped electrodes 
> make a big difference in cutting down electrode degradation.
> 
> ...also, Trem's electrode configuration on the SG-7 is excellent, and I think 
> it only works so well because he uses both polarity reversal and water-pump 
> driven water circulation.
> 
> ~Jason
> 
> 
>> On 2/16/2015 8:25 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Do u think a new forum will really help?
>> 
>> Personally I think many have gone to Facebook.   I'm amazed how so
>> many groups r dying out when they use to be so active.People must
>> be off doing other things with their life.  I know I've lost interest
>> as I'm busy with other things.
>> 
>> This list is kind of like old faithful to me.  I just assumed it
>> would go on as usual.
>> 
>> Uncle Ben would have certainly added some spice to the group.   Who
>> knows maybe his posts aren't getting through either so he gave up.
>> 
>> I don't post often either as I really just don't have much to say and
>> some of the few posts I've tried to post didn't show up either.
>> Hopefully things will straighten out quickly.
>> 
>> Now let's see if this goes through fwiw.
>> 
>> Gail
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Re: CS>Forum

[Reece Maxey]

It got to me Gail.
Opa

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> On Feb 16, 2015, at 10:25 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> Hi David, 
> 
> Do u think a new forum will really help?
> 
> Personally I think many have gone to Facebook.   I'm amazed how so many 
> groups r dying out when they use to be so active.People must be off doing 
> other things with their life.  I know I've lost interest as I'm busy with 
> other things. 
> 
> This list is kind of like old faithful to me.  I just assumed it would go on 
> as usual.  
> 
> Uncle Ben would have certainly added some spice to the group.   Who knows 
> maybe his posts aren't getting through either so he gave up. 
> 
> I don't post often either as I really just don't have much to say and some of 
> the few posts I've tried to post didn't show up either.   Hopefully things 
> will straighten out quickly.   
> 
> Now let's see if this goes through fwiw. 
> 
> Gail
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 15, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Debra & David  wrote:
>> 
>> Mike.
>> 
>> A few points...
>> 
>> 1. Technology is going to kill off this list sooner or later. (Probably 
>> sooner). Its becoming increasingly difficult to even view it these days. 
>> 'Thunderbird' on some new PC's won't even display the digest  without 
>> clicking each individual post. And responding is getting harder all the time 
>> as has been mentioned about a thousand times.
>> 
>> 2. As a list for the dissemination of info about silver its starting to fail 
>> because no thread nowadays proceeds beyond the most basic level.  Threads or 
>> questions get broken or jumbled up so fast they soon become incoherent.  It 
>> seems that most threads on this list are now not about silver at all, and 
>> the ones that are are so basic that few members have much enthusiasm for 
>> answering them.
>> 
>> 3. Your most experienced and knowledgeable members are posting less and 
>> less. (And potentially valuable new members dissappear as fast as they 
>> appear. How long did Uncle Ben last?)
>> 
>> 4. A new forum will be a big success if you support it and eventually shut 
>> this one down.
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: CS>Forum

[Jason]

Hi Gail/David:

Facebook is the worst of the worst for their groups setup and activity.

The lack of accurate information on those groups is astounding, and even
when someone posts something of real value, it is lost in obscurity a
few minutes later... not to mention the instant bullying and control 
freaks that thrive in such a setting.


I'm very active in some other lists because there is a lot of very 
dynamic exchanges of ideas.


I'm all for getting away from the status quo, because the status quo 
means stagnation.


I can't remember that last time I heard an original idea on the 
silverlist... oh wait, I can!  It was from David, and the last before 
that was probably a rehash on some ideas pioneered by Brooks Bradley.


I was on the phone with Peter Lindeman last year, and had a great 
discussion about brewing silver for a few weeks using only a trickle of 
a current solar-generated. This slow process creates some amazing 
crystallization effects.


Also, posts that have gotten through in the past few years have gone 
largely ignored.  I do a yearly test here about the importance of 
cleaning the silver electrodes if you really want a great product.


I always get the same response.  Not even anyone curious about how I 
personally tested this theory or how they can test to see the difference 
in quality.  Just three people or so saying they have no need to clean 
the electrodes.


I really like the last innovation I'd seen from Ken; those looped 
electrodes make a big difference in cutting down electrode degradation.


...also, Trem's electrode configuration on the SG-7 is excellent, and I 
think it only works so well because he uses both polarity reversal and 
water-pump driven water circulation.


~Jason


On 2/16/2015 8:25 AM, wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi David,

Do u think a new forum will really help?

Personally I think many have gone to Facebook.   I'm amazed how so
many groups r dying out when they use to be so active.People must
be off doing other things with their life.  I know I've lost interest
as I'm busy with other things.

This list is kind of like old faithful to me.  I just assumed it
would go on as usual.

Uncle Ben would have certainly added some spice to the group.   Who
knows maybe his posts aren't getting through either so he gave up.

I don't post often either as I really just don't have much to say and
some of the few posts I've tried to post didn't show up either.
Hopefully things will straighten out quickly.

Now let's see if this goes through fwiw.

Gail



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Re: CS>Forum

[wanda85929]

Hi David, 

Do u think a new forum will really help?

Personally I think many have gone to Facebook.   I'm amazed how so many groups 
r dying out when they use to be so active.People must be off doing other 
things with their life.  I know I've lost interest as I'm busy with other 
things. 

This list is kind of like old faithful to me.  I just assumed it would go on as 
usual.  

Uncle Ben would have certainly added some spice to the group.   Who knows maybe 
his posts aren't getting through either so he gave up. 

I don't post often either as I really just don't have much to say and some of 
the few posts I've tried to post didn't show up either.   Hopefully things will 
straighten out quickly.   

Now let's see if this goes through fwiw. 

Gail



Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 15, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Debra & David  wrote:
> 
> Mike.
> 
> A few points...
> 
> 1. Technology is going to kill off this list sooner or later. (Probably 
> sooner). Its becoming increasingly difficult to even view it these days. 
> 'Thunderbird' on some new PC's won't even display the digest  without 
> clicking each individual post. And responding is getting harder all the time 
> as has been mentioned about a thousand times.
> 
> 2. As a list for the dissemination of info about silver its starting to fail 
> because no thread nowadays proceeds beyond the most basic level.  Threads or 
> questions get broken or jumbled up so fast they soon become incoherent.  It 
> seems that most threads on this list are now not about silver at all, and the 
> ones that are are so basic that few members have much enthusiasm for 
> answering them.
> 
> 3. Your most experienced and knowledgeable members are posting less and less. 
> (And potentially valuable new members dissappear as fast as they appear. How 
> long did Uncle Ben last?)
> 
> 4. A new forum will be a big success if you support it and eventually shut 
> this one down.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>Forum

[Tony Moody]

Hallo David,

Just some friendly, hopefully helpful thoughts about trying to solve your 
agonies. I do hope 
that this is not seen as interference. 

If you or your emailer, Thunderbird, cannot handle "digest" then why not 
subscribe to the 
Silver List "list"  delivery version? The very clear, simple and easy to follow 
instructions are at 
the Silver List Home Page ; http://www.silverlist.org/

If you insist on getting the digest then you could get Undigestify from 
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/undigestify/

I did use digest years ago when on dial-up but with adsl it is much more 
convenient to get 
individual emails, much easier to answer and to delete or file .

 I run a small email list and send a copy of each email ( twice per day digest) 
to a Yahoo 
Group for those members who want to play on the web by themselves. You could 
perhaps 
get yourself webmail or start your own forum for yourself. 

Your comments about Subject continuity are valid but one has to be a 
list-hitler to make that 
happen properly; A frustrating and futile occupation along with 'trim your 
posts' and 'top 
posting'. ;-))

People are posting less because there is so much competition from other 
interest groups on 
the web. I just recently un-subbed from 5 lists because there was just not 
enough time in the 
day to pay attention to all of them.  

OK,
Tony
 

On 16 Feb 2015 at 13:40, Debra & David wrote about :
Subject : CS>Forum

> Mike.
> 
> A few points...
> 
> 1. Technology is going to kill off this list sooner or later. (Probably
> sooner). Its becoming increasingly difficult to even view it these days.
> 'Thunderbird' on some new PC's won't even display the digest  without
> clicking each individual post. And responding is getting harder all the
> time as has been mentioned about a thousand times.
> 
> 2. As a list for the dissemination of info about silver its starting to
> fail because no thread nowadays proceeds beyond the most basic level. 
> Threads or questions get broken or jumbled up so fast they soon become
> incoherent.  It seems that most threads on this list are now not about
> silver at all, and the ones that are are so basic that few members have
> much enthusiasm for answering them.
> 
> 3. Your most experienced and knowledgeable members are posting less and
> less. (And potentially valuable new members dissappear as fast as they
> appear. How long did Uncle Ben last?)
> 
> 4. A new forum will be a big success if you support it and eventually shut
> this one down.
> 
> David


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CS>Forum

[Debra & David]

Mike.

A few points...

1. Technology is going to kill off this list sooner or later. (Probably 
sooner). Its becoming increasingly difficult to even view it these days. 
'Thunderbird' on some new PC's won't even display the digest  without 
clicking each individual post. And responding is getting harder all the 
time as has been mentioned about a thousand times.


2. As a list for the dissemination of info about silver its starting to 
fail because no thread nowadays proceeds beyond the most basic level.  
Threads or questions get broken or jumbled up so fast they soon become 
incoherent.  It seems that most threads on this list are now not about 
silver at all, and the ones that are are so basic that few members have 
much enthusiasm for answering them.


3. Your most experienced and knowledgeable members are posting less and 
less. (And potentially valuable new members dissappear as fast as they 
appear. How long did Uncle Ben last?)


4. A new forum will be a big success if you support it and eventually 
shut this one down.


David



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Re: CS> Forum

[V]

I agree with you N. I was anything but a conspiracy theorist for a long
time but once you head down the rabbit hole far enough and wide enough,
there is plenty to convince me.

On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Neville  wrote:

> Funny you should mention second email address John.  I was locked out of
> THIS List until I provided a SECOND email address, and/or my mobile phone
> number, under the guise of it being for MY added security - WHAT THE...?
> And by some flukey coincidence THAT is when some posters messages started
> disappearing?  I would get a reply to someone in my 'Inbox' never having
> received the original posters message, and at other times messages ended up
> in my 'Junk' box, again - WHAT THE...?  I've been a member here for a
> little while now and *never* have I had any of that occurring before.
>
> Even with YouTube, I'm into Locksport and some subscribers to my channel
> have been "unsubbed" on occasion?  And some end up being blocked as
> suspected "spam"?  Even though these people have been subbed to my channel
> for a couple of years?
>
> Conspiracy theory?.Everyone involved with the public domain is being
> "steered" somewhere, and it's got zilch to do with an individuals
> security.  Although with all the terrorist activity today they would argue
> it IS for your and my security - Yeah, right!
>
> Mike summed it up perfectly for me..."Security by obscurity", but that's
> becoming more impossible as each day passes.  Somewhere, someone can
> monitor EVERYONE'S business.  Nothing new perhaps, but I wonder just how
> many people understand the full consequences of that 'secret' access?
>
> As it is with todays bureaucracy tripping over their own paperwork, so it
> is with computer spies tripping over their own computer programming to gain
> access to your and my privacy.  Little "glitches" appear from time to time
> as they are fiddling about with their binary codes or whatever in their
> programs.
>
> Like when Microsoft changed from 'XP' {I think} to Vista, I could not beg,
> buy or borrow the old XP program anywhere?  H...I wonder why that was?
>  *Every* store I approached could not possibly have sold the last one they
> had the day before I asked for it?  It completely vanished off the face of
> the earth when I asked each store to instal 'XP' and not Vista.  Could it
> be because that old program didn't have an inbuilt facility enabling
> "someone?" to access your computer at the push of a button.  Well that's my
> opinion anyway.  Everything today is "linked" to a Big Brother data base
> somewhere.
>
> See, the worlds hysteria and paranoia is even starting to get to me .
> I certainly won't be sorry when my 'use by' date comes around.
>
> Apologies for this being just a tad Off Topic, but I don't think the
> idiosyncrasies have got anything to do with this email platform.
>
> N.
>
> > Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:19:21 -0500
> > From: jpopel...@gmail.com
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Subject: Re: CS> Forum
> >
> > On 02/15/2015 12:56 PM, Ron wrote:
> > > A dratted inconvenience. All of my replies go into my Sent
> > > folder so I have to check Archives each time.
> >
> > You could subscribe with a second email address, that would
> > get your replies, if they went out, successfully. That
> > would be less trouble than checking the archives.
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > John Popelish
>
>

RE: CS> Forum

[Neville]

Funny you should mention second email address John.  I was locked out of THIS 
List until I provided a SECOND email address, and/or my mobile phone number, 
under the guise of it being for MY added security - WHAT THE...?  And by some 
flukey coincidence THAT is when some posters messages started disappearing?  I 
would get a reply to someone in my 'Inbox' never having received the original 
posters message, and at other times messages ended up in my 'Junk' box, again - 
WHAT THE...?  I've been a member here for a little while now and *never* have I 
had any of that occurring before.
Even with YouTube, I'm into Locksport and some subscribers to my channel have 
been "unsubbed" on occasion?  And some end up being blocked as suspected 
"spam"?  Even though these people have been subbed to my channel for a couple 
of years?

Conspiracy theory?.Everyone involved with the public domain is being 
"steered" somewhere, and it's got zilch to do with an individuals security.  
Although with all the terrorist activity today they would argue it IS for your 
and my security - Yeah, right!
Mike summed it up perfectly for me..."Security by obscurity", but that's 
becoming more impossible as each day passes.  Somewhere, someone can monitor 
EVERYONE'S business.  Nothing new perhaps, but I wonder just how many people 
understand the full consequences of that 'secret' access?
As it is with todays bureaucracy tripping over their own paperwork, so it is 
with computer spies tripping over their own computer programming to gain access 
to your and my privacy.  Little "glitches" appear from time to time as they are 
fiddling about with their binary codes or whatever in their programs.
Like when Microsoft changed from 'XP' {I think} to Vista, I could not beg, buy 
or borrow the old XP program anywhere?  H...I wonder why that was?  *Every* 
store I approached could not possibly have sold the last one they had the day 
before I asked for it?  It completely vanished off the face of the earth when I 
asked each store to instal 'XP' and not Vista.  Could it be because that old 
program didn't have an inbuilt facility enabling "someone?" to access your 
computer at the push of a button.  Well that's my opinion anyway.  Everything 
today is "linked" to a Big Brother data base somewhere.
See, the worlds hysteria and paranoia is even starting to get to me .  I 
certainly won't be sorry when my 'use by' date comes around.
Apologies for this being just a tad Off Topic, but I don't think the 
idiosyncrasies have got anything to do with this email platform.
N.

> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 13:19:21 -0500
> From: jpopel...@gmail.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS> Forum
> 
> On 02/15/2015 12:56 PM, Ron wrote:
> > A dratted inconvenience. All of my replies go into my Sent
> > folder so I have to check Archives each time.
> 
> You could subscribe with a second email address, that would 
> get your replies, if they went out, successfully.  That 
> would be less trouble than checking the archives.
> 
> -- 
> Regards,
> 
> John Popelish

  

Re: CS>Forum

[Ron]

It is not working well for many and a fix would be nice.
But I agree that it is not worth the change.
Ron

On 2/15/2015 12:40 PM, Lena Guyot wrote:

I whole-heartedly agree with Debbie's sentiments!
Be well,
Léna
On Feb 15, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Debbie Phelps wrote:

Remember the old adage: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." It works 
well for me like it is, and like many here said,..."it ain't broke."

Of course, I'm adverse to change, but I'll do whatever is decided.

Debbie






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Re: CS>Forum

[Lena Guyot]

I whole-heartedly agree with Debbie's sentiments!
Be well,
Léna
On Feb 15, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Debbie Phelps wrote:

> Remember the old adage: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." It works well for 
> me like it is, and like many here said,..."it ain't broke."
> Of course, I'm adverse to change, but I'll do whatever is decided.
> 
> Debbie

CS>Forum

[Debbie Phelps]

Remember the old adage: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." It works well
for me like it is, and like many here said,..."it ain't broke."
Of course, I'm adverse to change, but I'll do whatever is decided.

Debbie

Re: CS> Forum

[Kenneth Taylor]

It's true, from what my introductory email said, however the reality  is, the 
few times I have sent messages, I get no such 'original', except that which is 
kept in my sent folder. 

Kenneth
Karen is Healthy, Wealthy, and Wise

Re: CS> Forum

[Jason]

...actually, this list is set up so that the sender of the message to 
the list also gets a copy of the email sent; at least, it works that way 
sometimes.  :o)


~Jason


On 2/15/2015 10:22 AM, Ron wrote:

Interesting idea but don't let's do this all at once. Ha.


On 2/15/2015 10:19 AM, John Popelish wrote:

On 02/15/2015 12:56 PM, Ron wrote:

A dratted inconvenience. All of my replies go into my Sent
folder so I have to check Archives each time.


You could subscribe with a second email address, that would get your
replies, if they went out, successfully.  That would be less trouble
than checking the archives.




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Re: CS> Forum

[Ron]

Interesting idea but don't let's do this all at once. Ha.


On 2/15/2015 10:19 AM, John Popelish wrote:

On 02/15/2015 12:56 PM, Ron wrote:

A dratted inconvenience. All of my replies go into my Sent
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Re: CS> Forum

[John Popelish]

On 02/15/2015 12:56 PM, Ron wrote:

A dratted inconvenience. All of my replies go into my Sent
folder so I have to check Archives each time.


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Re: CS> Forum

[Joe Huard]

I have to go in the opposite direction on that claim. In all of the 
groups I am on, my posts and replies appear on the list and get sent to 
all on the list including me. That way, you can view the entire thread 
in one folder without having to check your Sent folder.
That's how it usually works when working correctly. I also experience 
posts and replies that do not end up in the archives, even on other 
lists. Nothing is perfect.

Joe
On 2015-02-15 12:40 PM, John Popelish wrote:

On 02/15/2015 12:14 PM, Ron wrote:

I see my reply is in the archives right enough but did not
show in my inbox.
Ron


I don't think the server is programmed to send a copy of your own 
reply back to you, unless you get the digest.


It is assumed that you already have a copy of your reply, in your Sent 
folder, so you would have no use for a second copy.  At least that has 
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Re: CS> Forum

[Ron]

A dratted inconvenience. All of my replies go into my Sent folder so I 
have to check Archives each time.


On 2/15/2015 9:40 AM, John Popelish wrote:

On 02/15/2015 12:14 PM, Ron wrote:

I see my reply is in the archives right enough but did not
show in my inbox.
Ron


I don't think the server is programmed to send a copy of your own 
reply back to you, unless you get the digest.


It is assumed that you already have a copy of your reply, in your Sent 
folder, so you would have no use for a second copy.  At least that has 
been the convention on every other list mail server I have used.





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Re: CS> Forum

[John Popelish]

On 02/15/2015 12:14 PM, Ron wrote:

I see my reply is in the archives right enough but did not
show in my inbox.
Ron


I don't think the server is programmed to send a copy of 
your own reply back to you, unless you get the digest.


It is assumed that you already have a copy of your reply, in 
your Sent folder, so you would have no use for a second 
copy.  At least that has been the convention on every other 
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Re: CS> Forum

[Dan Nave]

I think the lost posts are a problem associated with eskimo.com, not email
lists in general.

On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 10:28 AM, Jason  wrote:

> Hi Mike:
>
> I like both formats.
>
> For the most part, I've stopped posting to the silver list because about
> 70% of my emails don't make it.  Furthermore, they don't actually bounce,
> so the only way I know that they don't make it is by checking the archives.
>
> Since they don't actually bounce, this indicates that the eskimo server
> software is no longer very reliable.
>
> You can run your own email list server, complete with your own public
> archives, from your own domain if you ever desire to do so.  One reliable
> open source platform is Mailman GNU.  It is written in Python.
>
> There are different types of people that use mail lists and forums. Forums
> are a more affective tool because there is a built in accountability.
> Someone can post a thread with an opinion, and someone else can post
> conflicting information.  Both perspectives are always very visible,
> allowing visitors to draw their own conclusions based on the information
> presented.  Thread topics can be hashed over until beat dead, and then the
> thread locked and pinned with a fair representation of each unique
> perspective.
>
> Once a specific issue has been locked and pinned, you can always reference
> it with a simple html link, saving time... so you can run an email list and
> a forum, and they can work well together.
>
> I had to shut down one forum because spammers couldn't post their spam,
> but they started to flood my server with registrations.  I believe
> VBulletin does a better job with all of this than the free software I was
> using.
>
> Most spammers are deterred when first posts require moderation, and when
> one must be a member with a post history before allowing html outbound
> links.
>
> ~Jason
>
> On 2/15/2015 7:55 AM, Rowena wrote:
>
>> I like the individual emails. One can move the especially useful ones to
>>
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Re: CS> Forum

[Ron]

I see my reply is in the archives right enough but did not show in my 
inbox.

Ron

On 2/15/2015 9:09 AM, Walter Anderson wrote:

That's an interesting point; I think replies are the ones that haven't worked 
for me--though in my case the service is Outlook.com. I'll have to try pasting 
into a new email next time reply doesn't work. That said, seems replies are 
working fine for me yesterday and today :)

-Original Message-
From: Ron [mailto:ron@gmail.com]
Sent: Sun, Feb. 15, 2015 09:09
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> Forum

In my case it is "reply" that disappears. If I copy and paste into a new email 
it always goes.
I have thought that it was because I use Thunderbird email client that feeds 
thru Gmail since Gmail does seem to be unfriendly here as Mike has noted in the 
past.

Since I do not reply a lot it is not to much to cope with all considered.
This is a "reply". I may have to redo it the hard way.

Ron

On 2/15/2015 8:56 AM, Walter Anderson wrote:

FYI that's the same problem I've encountered with email--no bounce,
the emails just don't make it to the list. - Walter

-Original Message-
From: Jason [mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org]
Sent: Sun, Feb. 15, 2015 08:29
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> Forum

Hi Mike:

I like both formats.

For the most part, I've stopped posting to the silver list because about 70% of 
my emails don't make it.  Furthermore, they don't actually bounce, so the only 
way I know that they don't make it is by checking the archives.

Since they don't actually bounce, this indicates that the eskimo server 
software is no longer very reliable.

You can run your own email list server, complete with your own public archives, 
from your own domain if you ever desire to do so.  One reliable open source 
platform is Mailman GNU.  It is written in Python.

There are different types of people that use mail lists and forums.
Forums are a more affective tool because there is a built in accountability.  
Someone can post a thread with an opinion, and someone else can post 
conflicting information.  Both perspectives are always very visible, allowing 
visitors to draw their own conclusions based on the information presented.  
Thread topics can be hashed over until beat dead, and then the thread locked 
and pinned with a fair representation of each unique perspective.

Once a specific issue has been locked and pinned, you can always reference it 
with a simple html link, saving time... so you can run an email list and a 
forum, and they can work well together.

I had to shut down one forum because spammers couldn't post their spam, but 
they started to flood my server with registrations.  I believe VBulletin does a 
better job with all of this than the free software I was using.

Most spammers are deterred when first posts require moderation, and when one 
must be a member with a post history before allowing html outbound links.

~Jason

On 2/15/2015 7:55 AM, Rowena wrote:

I like the individual emails. One can move the especially useful ones
to

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[Walter Anderson]

That's an interesting point; I think replies are the ones that haven't worked 
for me--though in my case the service is Outlook.com. I'll have to try pasting 
into a new email next time reply doesn't work. That said, seems replies are 
working fine for me yesterday and today :)

-Original Message-
From: Ron [mailto:ron@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sun, Feb. 15, 2015 09:09
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> Forum

In my case it is "reply" that disappears. If I copy and paste into a new email 
it always goes.
I have thought that it was because I use Thunderbird email client that feeds 
thru Gmail since Gmail does seem to be unfriendly here as Mike has noted in the 
past.

Since I do not reply a lot it is not to much to cope with all considered.
This is a "reply". I may have to redo it the hard way.

Ron

On 2/15/2015 8:56 AM, Walter Anderson wrote:
> FYI that's the same problem I've encountered with email--no bounce, 
> the emails just don't make it to the list. - Walter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jason [mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org]
> Sent: Sun, Feb. 15, 2015 08:29
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS> Forum
>
> Hi Mike:
>
> I like both formats.
>
> For the most part, I've stopped posting to the silver list because about 70% 
> of my emails don't make it.  Furthermore, they don't actually bounce, so the 
> only way I know that they don't make it is by checking the archives.
>
> Since they don't actually bounce, this indicates that the eskimo server 
> software is no longer very reliable.
>
> You can run your own email list server, complete with your own public 
> archives, from your own domain if you ever desire to do so.  One reliable 
> open source platform is Mailman GNU.  It is written in Python.
>
> There are different types of people that use mail lists and forums.
> Forums are a more affective tool because there is a built in accountability.  
> Someone can post a thread with an opinion, and someone else can post 
> conflicting information.  Both perspectives are always very visible, allowing 
> visitors to draw their own conclusions based on the information presented.  
> Thread topics can be hashed over until beat dead, and then the thread locked 
> and pinned with a fair representation of each unique perspective.
>
> Once a specific issue has been locked and pinned, you can always reference it 
> with a simple html link, saving time... so you can run an email list and a 
> forum, and they can work well together.
>
> I had to shut down one forum because spammers couldn't post their spam, but 
> they started to flood my server with registrations.  I believe VBulletin does 
> a better job with all of this than the free software I was using.
>
> Most spammers are deterred when first posts require moderation, and when one 
> must be a member with a post history before allowing html outbound links.
>
> ~Jason
>
> On 2/15/2015 7:55 AM, Rowena wrote:
>> I like the individual emails. One can move the especially useful ones 
>> to
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Re: CS> Forum

[Ron]

In my case it is "reply" that disappears. If I copy and paste into a new 
email it always goes.
I have thought that it was because I use Thunderbird email client that 
feeds thru Gmail since Gmail does seem to be unfriendly here as Mike has 
noted in the past.


Since I do not reply a lot it is not to much to cope with all considered.
This is a "reply". I may have to redo it the hard way.

Ron

On 2/15/2015 8:56 AM, Walter Anderson wrote:

FYI that's the same problem I've encountered with email--no bounce, the emails 
just don't make it to the list. - Walter

-Original Message-
From: Jason [mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org]
Sent: Sun, Feb. 15, 2015 08:29
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> Forum

Hi Mike:

I like both formats.

For the most part, I've stopped posting to the silver list because about 70% of 
my emails don't make it.  Furthermore, they don't actually bounce, so the only 
way I know that they don't make it is by checking the archives.

Since they don't actually bounce, this indicates that the eskimo server 
software is no longer very reliable.

You can run your own email list server, complete with your own public archives, 
from your own domain if you ever desire to do so.  One reliable open source 
platform is Mailman GNU.  It is written in Python.

There are different types of people that use mail lists and forums.
Forums are a more affective tool because there is a built in accountability.  
Someone can post a thread with an opinion, and someone else can post 
conflicting information.  Both perspectives are always very visible, allowing 
visitors to draw their own conclusions based on the information presented.  
Thread topics can be hashed over until beat dead, and then the thread locked 
and pinned with a fair representation of each unique perspective.

Once a specific issue has been locked and pinned, you can always reference it 
with a simple html link, saving time... so you can run an email list and a 
forum, and they can work well together.

I had to shut down one forum because spammers couldn't post their spam, but 
they started to flood my server with registrations.  I believe VBulletin does a 
better job with all of this than the free software I was using.

Most spammers are deterred when first posts require moderation, and when one 
must be a member with a post history before allowing html outbound links.

~Jason

On 2/15/2015 7:55 AM, Rowena wrote:

I like the individual emails. One can move the especially useful ones
to


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[Walter Anderson]

FYI that's the same problem I've encountered with email--no bounce, the emails 
just don't make it to the list. - Walter

-Original Message-
From: Jason [mailto:ja...@eytonsearth.org] 
Sent: Sun, Feb. 15, 2015 08:29
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS> Forum

Hi Mike:

I like both formats.

For the most part, I've stopped posting to the silver list because about 70% of 
my emails don't make it.  Furthermore, they don't actually bounce, so the only 
way I know that they don't make it is by checking the archives.

Since they don't actually bounce, this indicates that the eskimo server 
software is no longer very reliable.

You can run your own email list server, complete with your own public archives, 
from your own domain if you ever desire to do so.  One reliable open source 
platform is Mailman GNU.  It is written in Python.

There are different types of people that use mail lists and forums. 
Forums are a more affective tool because there is a built in accountability.  
Someone can post a thread with an opinion, and someone else can post 
conflicting information.  Both perspectives are always very visible, allowing 
visitors to draw their own conclusions based on the information presented.  
Thread topics can be hashed over until beat dead, and then the thread locked 
and pinned with a fair representation of each unique perspective.

Once a specific issue has been locked and pinned, you can always reference it 
with a simple html link, saving time... so you can run an email list and a 
forum, and they can work well together.

I had to shut down one forum because spammers couldn't post their spam, but 
they started to flood my server with registrations.  I believe VBulletin does a 
better job with all of this than the free software I was using.

Most spammers are deterred when first posts require moderation, and when one 
must be a member with a post history before allowing html outbound links.

~Jason

On 2/15/2015 7:55 AM, Rowena wrote:
> I like the individual emails. One can move the especially useful ones 
> to


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Re: CS> Forum

[Jason]

Hi Mike:

I like both formats.

For the most part, I've stopped posting to the silver list because about 
70% of my emails don't make it.  Furthermore, they don't actually 
bounce, so the only way I know that they don't make it is by checking 
the archives.


Since they don't actually bounce, this indicates that the eskimo server 
software is no longer very reliable.


You can run your own email list server, complete with your own public 
archives, from your own domain if you ever desire to do so.  One 
reliable open source platform is Mailman GNU.  It is written in Python.


There are different types of people that use mail lists and forums. 
Forums are a more affective tool because there is a built in 
accountability.  Someone can post a thread with an opinion, and someone 
else can post conflicting information.  Both perspectives are always 
very visible, allowing visitors to draw their own conclusions based on 
the information presented.  Thread topics can be hashed over until beat 
dead, and then the thread locked and pinned with a fair representation 
of each unique perspective.


Once a specific issue has been locked and pinned, you can always 
reference it with a simple html link, saving time... so you can run an 
email list and a forum, and they can work well together.


I had to shut down one forum because spammers couldn't post their spam, 
but they started to flood my server with registrations.  I believe 
VBulletin does a better job with all of this than the free software I 
was using.


Most spammers are deterred when first posts require moderation, and when 
one must be a member with a post history before allowing html outbound 
links.


~Jason

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[Bernadette Burch]

I would write my own email about leaving the website as is, but Rowena's words 
were spoken exactly as the words would have come from me.  I have learned so 
much from everyone associated with this site.  Thank you all. 

B.

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 15, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Rowena  wrote:

I like the individual emails. One can move the especially useful ones to a 
separate folder for safekeeping, or copy to a document. They arrive in one's 
mailbox automatically.  I just wouldn't go to a forum.  Quite apart from 
passwords. This has been the best.  Though I don't post much, I could never 
bear to unsubscribe. The silverlist was where I first heard of many things I 
take for granted now. Still, I'd want it to be done the way that causes the 
least inconvenience and effort for you, Mike.  Many thanks for everything over 
the years.
Rowena


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[Rowena]

I like the individual emails. One can move the especially useful ones to 
a separate folder for safekeeping, or copy to a document. They arrive in 
one's mailbox automatically.  I just wouldn't go to a forum.  Quite 
apart from passwords. This has been the best.  Though I don't post much, 
I could never bear to unsubscribe. The silverlist was where I first 
heard of many things I take for granted now. Still, I'd want it to be 
done the way that causes the least inconvenience and effort for you, 
Mike.  Many thanks for everything over the years.

Rowena


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[Tam]

I agree with Harold. 

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> On Feb 15, 2015, at 6:53 AM, Sandra George  wrote:
> 
> I also agree with Harold - thanks Mike
> 
> Sandee🐬
> Attitude is Everything
> Colloidal Silver Products
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> 
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Deborah Gerard  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree with Harold :)
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, February 14, 2015 5:38 PM, Dianne France 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I concur Harold's statement.  Status Quo.
>>  
>> From: har...@telus.net
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject: CS> Forum
>> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:39:37 -0800
>> 
>> For Mike ;et al;
>> Mike ,don’t don’t change a thing.I’m more than satisfied and happy with the 
>> Status Quo.I don’t post much,but I look forward to getting my bundle.I feel 
>> like I belong to a large and precious family.There is no way to really say 
>> how much I have learned here over the years,and hardly  a day goes by 
>> without me learning something new’'.
>> Thanks again Mike for all you have done for us.
>>  
>> Harold
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: CS> Forum

[Sandra George]

I also agree with Harold - thanks Mike

Sandee🐬
Attitude is Everything
Colloidal Silver Products
Eye Drops & Topical Gel


> On Feb 14, 2015, at 8:02 PM, Deborah Gerard  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Harold :)
> 
> 
> On Saturday, February 14, 2015 5:38 PM, Dianne France 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I concur Harold's statement.  Status Quo.
>  
> From: har...@telus.net
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS> Forum
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:39:37 -0800
> 
> For Mike ;et al;
> Mike ,don’t don’t change a thing.I’m more than satisfied and happy with the 
> Status Quo.I don’t post much,but I look forward to getting my bundle.I feel 
> like I belong to a large and precious family.There is no way to really say 
> how much I have learned here over the years,and hardly  a day goes by without 
> me learning something new’'.
> Thanks again Mike for all you have done for us.
>  
> Harold
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: CS> Forum

[Deborah Gerard]

I agree with Harold :) 

 On Saturday, February 14, 2015 5:38 PM, Dianne France 
 wrote:
   

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I concur Harold's statement.  Status Quo.
 
From: har...@telus.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS> Forum
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:39:37 -0800

For Mike ;et al;Mike ,don’t don’t change a thing.I’m more than satisfied and 
happy with the Status Quo.I don’t post much,but I look forward to getting my 
bundle.I feel like I belong to a large and precious family.There is no way to 
really say how much I have learned here over the years,and hardly  a day goes 
by without me learning something new’'.Thanks again Mike for all you have done 
for us. Harold 

   

RE: CS> Forum

[Dianne France]

I concur Harold's statement.  Status Quo.
 
From: har...@telus.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS> Forum
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 13:39:37 -0800





For Mike ;et al;
Mike ,don’t don’t change a thing.I’m more than satisfied and happy with the 
Status Quo.I don’t post much,but I look forward to getting my bundle.I feel 
like 
I belong to a large and precious family.There is no way to really say how much 
I 
have learned here over the years,and hardly  a day goes by without me 
learning something new’'.
Thanks again Mike for all you have done for us.
 
Harold

Re: CS> Forum

[PT Ferrance]

Hi Mike,
I'm also happy with the list the way it is.
I appreciate all you do to keep it going... even though I may not know what you 
do! :-)
Happy St. Valentine's Day to all.
PT

 


 From: Harold 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2015 4:39 PM
Subject: CS> Forum
 


For Mike ;et al;
Mike ,don’t don’t change a thing.I’m more than satisfied and happy with the 
Status Quo.I don’t post much,but I look forward to getting my bundle.I feel 
like 
I belong to a large and precious family.There is no way to really say how much 
I 
have learned here over the years,and hardly  a day goes by without me 
learning something new’'.
Thanks again Mike for all you have done for us.
 
Harold

CS> Forum

[Harold]

For Mike ;et al;
Mike ,don’t don’t change a thing.I’m more than satisfied and happy with the 
Status Quo.I don’t post much,but I look forward to getting my bundle.I feel 
like I belong to a large and precious family.There is no way to really say how 
much I have learned here over the years,and hardly  a day goes by without me 
learning something new’'.
Thanks again Mike for all you have done for us.

Harold

CS>Forum error.

[Neville]

"(even though I was stunned to see my rather large and private email to 
Mike appear in this forum for all to see)" 

Due to my inexperience with email forums the above quote was posted on October 
19 and was submitted with the mistaken belief it had appeared in the public 
forum when in fact it was a personal email.

N.

Re: CS>Forum Post

[Thomas Turk]

Hi Tel,
Thanks for interesting info
I did put exclamation marks after that figure as I thought that that number may be exaggerated.. 
I use a machine and make my own, adding air from a fish tank bubbler, then filteri0ng thru a 5 layers natural coffee filter, then repeating the cycle once more.to get max ppm. Maybe I get 40 to 50ppm. HH other products seem pretty good, CMO essiac etc.  Guess they need one (or more) BS product to make money
I used to buy the HerbalH CS but their prices were a bit crazy. Somebody does a 2000ppm, I wonder if that is also BS?
My own experience is CS is not such a big deal by itself, ie colds you also need C A and D Vitamins. and immune boosters such as b glucans,
I always have septrim (bactrim) in the home/for travel to back up CS for food poisoning or severe bronchitis.
 
Cheers
Thomas T  Vienna Austrua: 
>I tested some of (  herbalhealer.com. ) 500 ppm CS and it was n't even close
>I do not remember but I think it was in 20 ppm range?
>I called and reported my test to the lady on the other end of the line and
>she got mad at me and told me to P-ss off, and hung up on me?  The end.
>Tel Tofflemire
>Dewey, AZ.

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Re: CS>Forum Post

[Tel Tofflemire]

 
 Tomas Turk:
I tested some of (  herbalhealer.com. ) 500 ppm CS and it was n't even close
I do not remember but I think it was in 20 ppm range?
I called and reported my test to the lady on the other end of the line and
she got mad at me and told me to P-ss off, and hung up on me?  The end.
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.
---Original Message---
 
From: Thomas Turk
Date: 02/22/05 07:32:33
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Forum Post
 
The thread
 
 CS Need help.
 
Re cancer, unless the chemo has destroyed the white blood cell producing
bone marrow, alternatives will work. All 24 chemos must necassarily do that,
and their side affects are thus documented, as are designed to destroy ALL
rapidly growing cells, cancer AND bone marrow..
 
Alternatives
 
 4 herb tea Essiac, known since 1922, plus the full protocol of M.McCain Phd
 ND This includes also specific herbals for anti parasites, montana yew tip,
(the NON TOXIC form of tamoxifin, used to TREAT breats cancer etc.
Interestingly as this is a CS site, she does use CS, for bacterial work in
the protocol,.at 500ppm!! go to  herbalhealer.com. for re education.
 
Another cure is from drclark(.com) Phd ND, also working with parasites, then
 getting mercury removed from the teeth, detoxing. dyes, aflotoxins, heavy
metals etc.  All of these ARE the  ACTUAL causes of all cancers as they
compromise the cell. Cancer inc wont tell you this, otherwise the trillion
dollar industry gets stuffed. Clark also uses an electrical zapper, much the
same effect as MCains CS... Of particular interest in Clarks work is that
the patient, after having all amalgams and loose teeth (bacteria) removed,
and started on the antiparasite course, is fed eggs, butter and cream to
RAISE the cholesterol level so that the compromised (cancerous) cells can
get back to normal. Beware of low fat diets
 
How do I know they are cures? I have cured terminals with 5 days to live,
after radiation had failed.
 
ThomasT



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Re: CS>Forum Post

[Marmar845]

Thank you Thomas T.  I will forward that information. MA

CS>Forum Post

[Thomas Turk]

The thread
 
 CS Need help.
 
Re cancer, unless the chemo has destroyed the white blood cell producing bone marrow, alternatives will work. All 24 chemos must necassarily do that, and their side affects are thus documented, as are designed to destroy ALL rapidly growing cells, cancer AND bone marrow..
 
Alternatives
 
 4 herb tea Essiac, known since 1922, plus the full protocol of M.McCain Phd. ND This includes also specific herbals for anti parasites, montana yew tip, (the NON TOXIC form of tamoxifin, used to TREAT breats cancer etc. Interestingly as this is a CS site, she does use CS, for bacterial work in the protocol,.at 500ppm!! go to  herbalhealer.com. for re education.
 
Another cure is from drclark(.com) Phd ND, also working with parasites, then  getting mercury removed from the teeth, detoxing. dyes, aflotoxins, heavy metals etc.  All of these ARE the  ACTUAL causes of all cancers as they compromise the cell. Cancer inc wont tell you this, otherwise the trillion dollar industry gets stuffed. Clark also uses an electrical zapper, much the same effect as MCains CS... Of particular interest in Clarks work is that the patient, after having all amalgams and loose teeth (bacteria) removed, and started on the antiparasite course, is fed eggs, butter and cream to RAISE the cholesterol level so that the compromised (cancerous) cells can get back to normal. Beware of low fat diets
 
How do I know they are cures? I have cured terminals with 5 days to live, after radiation had failed.
 
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Date:  Fri Nov 14, 2003  9:22 pm
Subject:  Re: CS is coming to Mainstream Medicine.






--- In http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/colloidalsilver2/post?postID=CDsFMh3RY0H_02pVCfH1wm4Kag2uoYAKpsYZrodkiAFarpe9sLvPTTmKP39SaSrzABnn0dsqGdcz2q2AdCsFKJj8wYsDLT2T";>colloidalsilv...@yahoogroups.com,
 "tonydcco" 
wrote:
> Below is some information from LeMetropole Cafe, a subscription
based investment newsletter. The information is posted as "fair use".
Silver may finally be getting it's day in the sun.
>
> --
>
> I'm not sure if anyone pointed out the excellent article in the
Nov. 10, FORBES magazine by Susan Kitchens about silver. There is a
company weaving silver into clothing because it kills bacteria. It's
a great article, the item most interesting to the GATA camp might be
that the U.S. Army has bought 5.5 million pair of socks containing
silver!
>
> There is good information on the history of man's use of silver for
it's bactericidal properties. Funny how our modern society is just
now making use of incredibly powerful basic knowledge that has been
known for thousands of years. Remind you of any other paradigm shifts
that face us in our modern - know it all - state of mind?
>
> Hi Bill,
> Sorry to bug you two days in a row, especially after that loopy
email yesterday about atmospheric ionization and market manipulation,
but today's discussion du jour piece from RH, about the Army's
procurement of the silver socks, prompted me to share some health and
investment knowledge with you.
>
> I am in the nutriceutical industry. Our company evolved, over
thirty years, from a mom and pop to the largest manufacturer of
vitamin C products in the US. At a big international trade show, a
couple of years ago, our booth was across the aisle from American
Biotech Labs.
>
> They manufacture a fine colloidal silver product in Utah. I became
friends with one of their marketing reps and he told me about their
company. It is owned by a parent company in Utah called Clifton
Mining (CFTN). Their primary product is gold and silver. Their shares
were selling at about .30 at that time. He urged me to pick some up
at that price. There was big news about to break. I did, at .30. To
make a short story monotinous...it sat there for months, moving
between .28 and .32. I finally became bored with it and sold it
at .32. I then took those proceeds and moved them to Samex and Golden
Star (no regrets there, thanks for the tip). Here comes the kicker;
the very next day Clifton begins to move up...the volume goes from
30 -40,000 a day up to 500,000-1,000,000 a day. I wait a couple of
days for it to come back down and it doesn't. I call my friend at
American Biotech Labs and ask, wassup? He doesn't know, but expects
it has something to do with that long awaited announcement about the
pending deal with the military, but there has been no announcement
yet. He calls contacts at Clifton and they are puzzled too, but one
of their techs looks at the hits on their website and they are all
coming from .gov and .mil. At this point I jump back in at .53. It
closed today at .80.
>
> A few weeks after my previous contact with my friend at ABL, he
calls and informs me that the long ongoing negotiations with the
military have resulted in a 3 million gallon order from the Army.
This has still not been announced. With silver closing like it did
today, I would seriously look at acquiring some Clifton. I think that
it is going to fly soon.
>
> I don't know if you know anything about colloidal silver, but if
the public was aware of its properties, the bottom would fall out of
pharmaceutical antibiotic sales, and therein lies the problem. You
can make an effective colloidal silver on your kitchen table with a
glass beaker of pure water, two pure silver wires and a bat

Re: CS>Forum URL

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Am I overlooking a search function?   If there is no such function, is
it possible to add that in future?   For example, if I wanted to do a
quick search for CS plus DMSO,  how would I go about that?  

Thanks in advance. 



"M. G. Devour" wrote:
> 
> Hi Hank,
> 
> > Hi. Lost the url to the online forum, I can't get there. Will someone send
> > it to me? I answered a question from someone and never received it in my
> > mail, Want to check if it went to the forum.
> 
> You want to visit the archives, at...
> 
>http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html
> 
> Also, make sure you are properly subscribed... you should be getting
> messages or digests. More instructions are available at the web site.
> 
> All that, and my e-mail address are in the footer at the bottom of
> every message from the list:
> 
> > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org
> >
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> >
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> >
> > List maintainer: Mike Devour 
> 
> Hope that helps, Hank!
> 
> Be well,
> 
> Mike D.
> [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> [Speaking only for myself...   ]
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Re: CS>Forum URL

[Hank Adams]

Thank you Mike. Sorry about not thinking to go down to the ads at the
bottom. I got there ok now and won't lose it again.
Yours Hank.
http://myecom.net/members/hdka/ct/ct.htm
http://www.myecom.net/members/hdka/index.htm
http://signup.myecom.net/?hdka


> Hi Hank,
>
>> Hi. Lost the url to the online forum, I can't get there. Will someone
>> send it to me? I answered a question from someone and never received
>> it in my mail, Want to check if it went to the forum.
>
> You want to visit the archives, at...
>
>   http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html
>
> Also, make sure you are properly subscribed... you should be getting
> messages or digests. More instructions are available at the web site.
>
> All that, and my e-mail address are in the footer at the bottom of
> every message from the list:




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Re: CS>Forum URL

[M. G. Devour]

Hi Hank,

> Hi. Lost the url to the online forum, I can't get there. Will someone send
> it to me? I answered a question from someone and never received it in my
> mail, Want to check if it went to the forum. 

You want to visit the archives, at...

   http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html

Also, make sure you are properly subscribed... you should be getting
messages or digests. More instructions are available at the web site.

All that, and my e-mail address are in the footer at the bottom of 
every message from the list:

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> 
> List maintainer: Mike Devour 

Hope that helps, Hank!

Be well,

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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CS>Forum URL

[Hank Adams]

Hi. Lost the url to the online forum, I can't get there. Will someone send
it to me? I answered a question from someone and never received it in my
mail, Want to check if it went to the forum.  Thank you.
Yours Hank.
http://myecom.net/members/hdka/ct/ct.htm
http://www.myecom.net/members/hdka/index.htm
http://signup.myecom.net/?hdka




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Re: CS>Forum Thanks

[Sandy Albrecht]

I am interested, Damian.
sandyal...@aol.com

- Original Message -
From: "damian" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: CS>Forum Thanks


> Ok all. Thank you for your support on the new idea forum and site. Im in
the
> middle of putting a starter together to get the ball rolling. I'm recently
> transitioned to linux and have unfortunatly chossen a not so good mail
> client. I have lost most of the email address's of those who wish to be a
> part of the group. Could all those wishing to join please send me an
email,
> and if you want a small bio of what you like and such. Dont have to, just
> thought it might help targeting the audience. Its probably best not to
post
> to much more on the silver forum as its not for that topic.
>
> The site should be up and going by sunday. Seen my current personal
project
> is on mind machines I thought it might be a good place to start. I've
already
> created part 1 and are working on part 2 of the topic. There will be about
6
> - 10 parts each consisting of an improvement on the technology. Im not
> totally sure on the legistics of how it will all fit together but i know
with
> everyones enthusiasm it will work out fine. The initial steps are based on
> getting the apparatus to have the most effect on the human mind. The near
> last step will be making it so that if all goes well you'll become a super
> human. No joke either. Of course could drive you insane or maybe an
> implosion. Actually arnt to shore what it will do to be honest. I'm not
going
> to elaborate though as i dont want people jumping the gun, after all it is
a
> group effort.
>
> I think thats it. Thanks again for the support. I've got some pretty
amazing
> stuff coming up which I know will blow your mind. One im really excited
about
> is a device to talk to higher entities. It will work just like a phone. No
> joke either.
>
> Take care all
> damian
>
>
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Re: CS>Forum Thanks

[Sandy Albrecht]

I am interested, Damian.
Sandy (albresa...@aol.com)
- Original Message -
From: "damian" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 1:34 PM
Subject: CS>Forum Thanks


> Ok all. Thank you for your support on the new idea forum and site. Im in
the
> middle of putting a starter together to get the ball rolling. I'm recently
> transitioned to linux and have unfortunatly chossen a not so good mail
> client. I have lost most of the email address's of those who wish to be a
> part of the group. Could all those wishing to join please send me an
email,
> and if you want a small bio of what you like and such. Dont have to, just
> thought it might help targeting the audience. Its probably best not to
post
> to much more on the silver forum as its not for that topic.
>
> The site should be up and going by sunday. Seen my current personal
project
> is on mind machines I thought it might be a good place to start. I've
already
> created part 1 and are working on part 2 of the topic. There will be about
6
> - 10 parts each consisting of an improvement on the technology. Im not
> totally sure on the legistics of how it will all fit together but i know
with
> everyones enthusiasm it will work out fine. The initial steps are based on
> getting the apparatus to have the most effect on the human mind. The near
> last step will be making it so that if all goes well you'll become a super
> human. No joke either. Of course could drive you insane or maybe an
> implosion. Actually arnt to shore what it will do to be honest. I'm not
going
> to elaborate though as i dont want people jumping the gun, after all it is
a
> group effort.
>
> I think thats it. Thanks again for the support. I've got some pretty
amazing
> stuff coming up which I know will blow your mind. One im really excited
about
> is a device to talk to higher entities. It will work just like a phone. No
> joke either.
>
> Take care all
> damian
>
>
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CS>Forum Thanks

[damian]

Ok all. Thank you for your support on the new idea forum and site. Im in the 
middle of putting a starter together to get the ball rolling. I'm recently 
transitioned to linux and have unfortunatly chossen a not so good mail 
client. I have lost most of the email address's of those who wish to be a 
part of the group. Could all those wishing to join please send me an email, 
and if you want a small bio of what you like and such. Dont have to, just 
thought it might help targeting the audience. Its probably best not to post 
to much more on the silver forum as its not for that topic. 

The site should be up and going by sunday. Seen my current personal project 
is on mind machines I thought it might be a good place to start. I've already 
created part 1 and are working on part 2 of the topic. There will be about 6 
- 10 parts each consisting of an improvement on the technology. Im not 
totally sure on the legistics of how it will all fit together but i know with 
everyones enthusiasm it will work out fine. The initial steps are based on 
getting the apparatus to have the most effect on the human mind. The near 
last step will be making it so that if all goes well you'll become a super 
human. No joke either. Of course could drive you insane or maybe an 
implosion. Actually arnt to shore what it will do to be honest. I'm not going 
to elaborate though as i dont want people jumping the gun, after all it is a 
group effort.

I think thats it. Thanks again for the support. I've got some pretty amazing 
stuff coming up which I know will blow your mind. One im really excited about 
is a device to talk to higher entities. It will work just like a phone. No 
joke either. 

Take care all
damian


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CS Forum Board

[svr]

Hello,

My name is Steve Radcliff and I am new to CS.  I have some specific questions, 
and wonder if there is a reason a Forum Board and/or  FAQ have not been 
started.  The Archive site seems a likely place for them.  If there is an 
interest in one, or both, of them but they cannot be made a part of the Archive 
site, I will be happy to provide a free (no banner or other type of 
advertising) site through my host.

I just assembled Dr. Jon's CS Generator, and have started to make CS.  I would 
like to exchange information and ideas with others who have build one.  I also 
have questions as to the dosages people are using for different health (human, 
animal and plant) problem treatments.  Each of these could be good Forum 
subjects, and the forums could make the finding of information more easy.

Cordially,

Steve Radcliff



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CS Forum Board

[svr]

Hello,

My name is Steve Radcliff and I am new to CS.  I have some specific questions, 
and wonder if there is a reason a Forum Board and/or  FAQ have not been 
started.  The Archive site seems a likely place for them.  If there is an 
interest in one, or both, of them but they cannot be made a part of the Archive 
site, I will be happy to provide a free (no banner or other type of 
advertising) site through my host.

I just assembled Dr. Jon's CS Generator, and have started to make CS.  I would 
like to exchange information and ideas with others who have build one.  I also 
have questions as to the dosages people are using for different health (human, 
animal and plant) problem treatments.  Each of these could be good Forum 
subjects, and the forums could make the finding of information more easy.

Cordially,

Steve Radcliff



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CS>Forum posting - information that didn't copy...2nd attempt...by Taylor

[Skylake]

For some strange reason, all that was left of my copying of the colloidal 
silver response was this <>.  I've copied it again below...let's see if it 
takes
T.

Re: Colloidal silver question

From: 
Date: 8/9/99
Time: 5:33:28 PM
Remote Name: 171.133.216.5

Comments

I have been doing research and found alot of manufacturers and
advocates. I take colloidal silver. However, be careful there are Pros
and Cons. 

To answer your question: The highter the number indicates amount of
silver in suspension, parts per million. The greater the number the
higher the dosage. 

I am an advocate of using colloidal silver and I am taking it
butPLEASE BE CAREFUL. Be aware that although alot of
advertisers say it is completely safe, colloidal silver builds up in your
body over a lifetime and you need to be aware of how much you are
taking and over what period of time. Some people of developed
Argyria in which excess silver is deposited in the skin and tissues
causing discoloration. There is also the possibility of neurological
damage and liver necrosis. Argyria has been produced in adults given
900 mg of silver orally over a period of one year. A single fatal dose
is estimated to be 10 grams. Using the most conservative figure, 900
milligrams of silver corresponds to the silver content in 90 liters of
10PPM colloidal silver, 45 liters of 20 PPM colloidal silver or 30
liters of 30 ppm colloidal silver. 

The EPA published a reference dose of 5 microgrms/dg/d with a
critical dose estimated at 14 micrograms/kg/d. The maximum
contaminant level proposed by the EPA for silver in the drinking
water is less than 0.1 mg/liter. The average person would consume a
1 milligram effective dose in approximately 3 days if you include the
food and water exposure. If you want to add to that then 1 milligram
is the estimate minimum effective total dose. 

Some researchers have suggested that a deficiency of selenium and
vitamin E may increase the susceptibility to systemic silver toxicity. 

Silver can help during bouts of illness and food poisioning. Best
advice. Be very careful and be conservative regarding dosing. Keep
track of how much you ingest because if builds up over your lifetime
and the excretion rate is slow enough to allow accumulation of more
or less permanent deposits in the tissue. 

Be conservate. Be safe. 


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Re: CS>Forum changes.

[Skylake]

Dear Mike,

One of the reasons I don't sign off of the silver list (in order to have time 
to make CS) is because of the fascinating and helpful range of topics 
discussed.  So I don't think the list is "broke."

However, if you do decide to make another list of some kind, I would agree 
with Ivan about the format.  The candida forum is another example of a 
website where one can pick and choose one's threads by topic.  It is handy, 
easy to use, and has archives which are incredibly helpful for everyone, new 
and old to the forum.

Best wishes,
Taylor

<< Where one does not receive mail at all, but logs on to a web site
 to see the latest blatherings.
 I like the how they are arranged into threads and sub-threads,
 which makes them easy to navigate. Perhaps with this arrangement
 we could accommodate a wide range of topics. >>


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Re: CS>Forum changes.

[Scharbach]

ooh, I like the list and digest, recieving it in my mailbox MUCH better.
It seems like once  you get going on one of those message boards, it 
just takes forever.   I avoid them when ever I can.Much prefer this
format. . . . . . . . . 

Sparrow


>Mike and all,
>
>If we/you are thinking of changing forums, might I suggest a
>format something along the lines of :
>
>http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/tweaks/bbs.html
>
>or
>
>http://www.o3zone.com/forums/current.htm
>
>Where one does not receive mail at all, but logs on to a web site
>to see the latest blatherings.
>I like the how they are arranged into threads and sub-threads,
>which makes them easy to navigate. Perhaps with this arrangement
>we could accommodate a wide range of topics.
>
>The 'Audioasylum' is a moderated free for all. The 'ozone forums'
>used to require a password to be able to post a message, but had
>no restrictions on people being able to view the messages. Of
>course one could require a password to view the forum at all.
>
>I personally like the 'Audioasylum' listing arrangement, but
>would require a password to post to the list.
>
>Regards - Ivan
>
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CS>Forum changes.

[Ivan Anderson]

Mike and all,

If we/you are thinking of changing forums, might I suggest a
format something along the lines of :

http://www.audioasylum.com/audio/tweaks/bbs.html

or

http://www.o3zone.com/forums/current.htm

Where one does not receive mail at all, but logs on to a web site
to see the latest blatherings.
I like the how they are arranged into threads and sub-threads,
which makes them easy to navigate. Perhaps with this arrangement
we could accommodate a wide range of topics.

The 'Audioasylum' is a moderated free for all. The 'ozone forums'
used to require a password to be able to post a message, but had
no restrictions on people being able to view the messages. Of
course one could require a password to view the forum at all.

I personally like the 'Audioasylum' listing arrangement, but
would require a password to post to the list.

Regards - Ivan


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