Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
I specified miracle water as a home surface cleaner like Chlorox and Lye. You appear to be mixing your definitions according to other peoples claims and names. Both acid and alkaline water are unstable. [Acids and bases are by definition unstable ] Many things can neutralize them, other than each other, if they are not kept isolated from many things. [not :just: each other ] For instance. carbon dioxide in the air can form carbonic acid in the water which will neutralize alkaline water. Ode At 09:15 AM 4/8/2009 -0500, you wrote: Hi Ode. I guess, what we have here, is a failure to communicate. ;-) I know they will not cancel each other out. What I meant by going back to neutral was that you had said the h3o and acid/alkaline water would stay that way forever, as they are simply water. But then as Sharlene stated, according to the Kangen company, the water holds the acid or alkaline rate for a few days. Apparently they go back to normal ph (around 7 or whatever the base of the water was that was used?) after a while. So I did not mean that the acid/alkaline would cancel each other, but that they would revert back to 7ph whether that was acid or alkaline after a few days. And again--does adding salt (and how much) to the water in a home made ionizer make h3o, or just regular acid/alkaline water as per Kangen. They do not call their acid water h3o. Is the acid water actually h3o, miracle water, or simply acid water? Is there even a difference in these 3 waters? I'm still confused about the difference in the waters coming out of the home made ionizers. Perhaps they are all the same water--just being called H3O by one company, miracle water by another, and acid water by another? Thanks, Renee ---Original Message--- Electrolysis produces both [+] and [-] ionic products in equal proportions. +1 [+] -1 = zero No matter what you are making, if they are kept apart,[by whatever means] they won't neutralize each other. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
Ok, thanks anyway Ode. I appreciate you taking time with my questions. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- Both acid and alkaline water are unstable. [Acids and bases are by definition unstable ]
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
Hi Renee, I think they are refering to the use of a calcium Salt or maybe some other kind of chemical salt like bicarbonate of soda or some such. common table salt is sodium chloride, but there are many other salts, chemistry speaking. hth, Tony On 7 Apr 2009 at 21:52, Gaiacita wrote about Re: CSMagic Miracle Water: Ok Ode, I think I'm getting a bit closer to understanding the difference between these things. See if I have this right--if a person were to use TWO separate containers (the synthetic chamois in between) and adding salt, with stainless steel plates, we would get H3O. And this would last as long as the H3O listed by alpha omega and do the same things they mention. If a person used the same container (like the single jar used in making CS) and uses salt and stainless steel plates, they would get miracle water. But this will only be stable for a few hours before reverting back to salt water If a person uses 2 separate containers with a chamois between), no salt, and titanium (or perhaps stainless steel) they would have one container of acid water and one of alkaline water, as in Kangen type ionizers. Although apparently there is some salt solution being used in the Kangen machines. This acid water is useful for healing skin conditions and cleaning, while the alkaline water is for internal use, as per many Japanese hospital testimonials. This water, too, reverts in a few hours? Did I get these right? Or am I still missing something? If this is right, do you have any idea how much salt would be used per amount of water to achieve H3O? I'm just trying to sort out these different types of water and their uses, and if each can be made at home. Without anything more than ph strips to determine what the waters consist of, I can only go by what I am learning here, and trust that the waters will turn out as easily and consistently as CS. :-)Thanks, Ode, for taking the time to explain things. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- If your H3O [ acid water, the counterpart to OH rich alkaline water ] Is made pure in separate containers with nothing to neutralize it, there's no reason it wouldn't last as long as anyone elses. These are pure water products. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
Simple. Electrolysis produces both [+] and [-] ionic products in equal proportions. +1 [+] -1 = zero No matter what you are making, if they are kept apart,[by whatever means] they won't neutralize each other. In some cases, environmental elements may transform something into something else. For instance, sunlight can transform one Chlorine product into another which can then evaporate. Ode At 09:52 PM 4/7/2009 -0500, you wrote: Ok Ode, I think I'm getting a bit closer to understanding the difference between these things. See if I have this right--if a person were to use TWO separate containers (the synthetic chamois in between) and adding salt, with stainless steel plates, we would get H3O. And this would last as long as the H3O listed by alpha omega and do the same things they mention. If a person used the same container (like the single jar used in making CS) and uses salt and stainless steel plates, they would get miracle water. But this will only be stable for a few hours before reverting back to salt water. If a person uses 2 separate containers with a chamois between), no salt, and titanium (or perhaps stainless steel) they would have one container of acid water and one of alkaline water, as in Kangen type ionizers. Although apparently there is some salt solution being used in the Kangen machines. This acid water is useful for healing skin conditions and cleaning, while the alkaline water is for internal use, as per many Japanese hospital testimonials. This water, too, reverts in a few hours? Did I get these right? Or am I still missing something? If this is right, do you have any idea how much salt would be used per amount of water to achieve H3O? I'm just trying to sort out these different types of water and their uses, and if each can be made at home. Without anything more than ph strips to determine what the waters consist of, I can only go by what I am learning here, and trust that the waters will turn out as easily and consistently as CS. :-)Thanks, Ode, for taking the time to explain things. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- If your H3O [ acid water, the counterpart to OH rich alkaline water ] Is made pure in separate containers with nothing to neutralize it, there's no reason it wouldn't last as long as anyone elses. These are pure water products. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
Hi Ode. I guess, what we have here, is a failure to communicate. ;-) I know they will not cancel each other out. What I meant by going back to neutral was that you had said the h3o and acid/alkaline water would stay that way forever, as they are simply water. But then as Sharlene stated, according to the Kangen company, the water holds the acid or alkaline rate for a few days. Apparently they go back to normal ph (around 7 or whatever the base of the water was that was used?) after a while. So I did not mean that the acid/alkaline would cancel each other, but that they would revert back to 7ph whether that was acid or alkaline after a few days. And again--does adding salt (and how much) to the water in a home made ionizer make h3o, or just regular acid/alkaline water as per Kangen. They do not call their acid water h3o. Is the acid water actually h3o, miracle water, or simply acid water? Is there even a difference in these 3 waters? I'm still confused about the difference in the waters coming out of the home made ionizers. Perhaps they are all the same water--just being called H3O by one company, miracle water by another, and acid water by another? Thanks, Renee ---Original Message--- Electrolysis produces both [+] and [-] ionic products in equal proportions. +1 [+] -1 = zero No matter what you are making, if they are kept apart,[by whatever means] they won't neutralize each other.
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
If memory serves me, altcancer.com once sold H30 as hydronium, and claimed many valuable uses for it.Regulators did not take kindly to those claims, to say the least. On Sunday, Apr 5, 2009, at 21:26 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote: Water dissociates into H3O [acid] and OH [base..the Ion in Ionized water] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
Not the same thing...different atomic structure. Heavy water is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_%28molecule%29water that contains a higher proportion than normal of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isotopeisotope http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuteriumdeuterium, as deuterium oxide, D2O or ²H2O, or as deuterium protium oxide, HDO or ¹H²HO.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water#cite_note-0[1] Its physical and chemical properties are somewhat similar to those of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_%28molecule%29water, H2O http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water veddy interestink stuff... Ode At 10:00 AM 4/6/2009 -0500, you wrote: Good Morning Renee, H3O is heavy water- I must have missed what that is supposed to be good for- and why they can't sell it here. Maybe it has something to do with that it is used in nuclear reactors to help absorb the stray isotopes or something. Or maybe you mean some other thing-or am I just confused again? It is beginning to be a beautiful spring here- the snow has just melted, so maybe I have spring fever. I have really been enjoying the discussions, thanks you all. Kathryn -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
If your H3O [ acid water, the counterpart to OH rich alkaline water ] is made pure in separate containers with nothing to neutralize it, there's no reason it wouldn't last as long as anyone elses. These are pure water products. If theirs is different, it's not just H3O. Miracle water [the house hold cleaner... salt water products], is NaCl [lye] and HClO [ Hypochlorus acid ] made in the SAME container and quickly reverts back to salt water as that container has *everything* in it to neutralize itself with. If they are made in *separate* containers, they will also be stable..except the Chlorine might eventually outgas if not kept tightly capped and kept out of sunlight. If you take our H3O concentrate, with a very acidic measure of under pH 0.5, and you test it using spectrometry, chromotography, or any other analytical chemical measure (other the pH), what do you get? You would appear (though erroneously, read http://www.altcancer.com/h3oprop.htmStability) to have nothing more than an aqueous solution of diluted sulphuric acid Why in Hell would a spectrograph find any Sulphur in H3O..unless it isn't just H3O? Bait and Switch BS meter... DING!! Note: The patented manufacturing process used to make H3O employs sulphuric acid and then uses an extraction process to strip out the sulphur If the spec' found sulphur, that process doesn't work very well. DONG Patents don't mean a danged thing. Ode At 10:51 AM 4/6/2009 -0500, you wrote: Hey Kathryn. No, you didn't miss anything. We have just mentioned H3O without really saying what it's about, except I think Ode says it's the miracle water. But here's the Alpha Omega labs H3O and what it does. http://www.altcancer.com/h3ointro.htmhttp://www.altcancer.com/h3ointro.htm Very interesting stuff. That's why I was wondering if we could make it here, but apparently what we'd make is not stable--won't keep for long. Their's does. Snow!!! Here I am complaining because it's been unusually cold here in the mornings. Gets up to 80 during the day, but the mornings have been in the 40's. Yuck! Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- H3O is heavy water- I must have missed what that is supposed to be good for- and why they can't sell it here. Maybe it has something to do with that it is used in nuclear reactors to help absorb the stray isotopes or something. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
Alpha Omega Labs are marketing it. They are getting it passed in the Brazil I think they are in, and once it is passed there they will then be able to ship it to the US. They said they were a few weeks away from getting the ok from their government. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- If memory serves me, altcancer.com once sold H30 as hydronium, and claimed many valuable uses for it.Regulators did not take kindly to those claims, to say the least.
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
Ok Ode, I think I'm getting a bit closer to understanding the difference between these things. See if I have this right--if a person were to use TWO separate containers (the synthetic chamois in between) and adding salt, with stainless steel plates, we would get H3O. And this would last as long as the H3O listed by alpha omega and do the same things they mention. If a person used the same container (like the single jar used in making CS) and uses salt and stainless steel plates, they would get miracle water. But this will only be stable for a few hours before reverting back to salt water If a person uses 2 separate containers with a chamois between), no salt, and titanium (or perhaps stainless steel) they would have one container of acid water and one of alkaline water, as in Kangen type ionizers. Although apparently there is some salt solution being used in the Kangen machines. This acid water is useful for healing skin conditions and cleaning, while the alkaline water is for internal use, as per many Japanese hospital testimonials. This water, too, reverts in a few hours? Did I get these right? Or am I still missing something? If this is right, do you have any idea how much salt would be used per amount of water to achieve H3O? I'm just trying to sort out these different types of water and their uses, and if each can be made at home. Without anything more than ph strips to determine what the waters consist of, I can only go by what I am learning here, and trust that the waters will turn out as easily and consistently as CS. :-)Thanks, Ode, for taking the time to explain things. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- If your H3O [ acid water, the counterpart to OH rich alkaline water ] Is made pure in separate containers with nothing to neutralize it, there's no reason it wouldn't last as long as anyone elses. These are pure water products.
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
Renee, As far as the Kangen water is concerned, the acid water with 2.5 pH and 5.5 pH are used externally only and can last for many days in a dark container in a cool place, the alkaline water is 8.5, 9.0, 9.5 pH are for internal use and the 11.5 is for external use and will last over 3-7 days under the same conditions. Of course, fresh is best.The acid water and alkaline water is used in many hospitals in Japan. The video I saw used acid water for gangrenous feet soaks. Sharlene On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 4:52 PM, Gaiacita gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: Ok Ode, I think I'm getting a bit closer to understanding the difference between these things. See if I have this right--if a person were to use TWO separate containers (the synthetic chamois in between) and adding salt, with stainless steel plates, we would get H3O. And this would last as long as the H3O listed by alpha omega and do the same things they mention. If a person used the same container (like the single jar used in making CS) and uses salt and stainless steel plates, they would get miracle water. But this will only be stable for a few hours before reverting back to salt water. If a person uses 2 separate containers with a chamois between), no salt, and titanium (or perhaps stainless steel) they would have one container of acid water and one of alkaline water, as in Kangen type ionizers. Although apparently there is some salt solution being used in the Kangen machines. This acid water is useful for healing skin conditions and cleaning, while the alkaline water is for internal use, as per many Japanese hospital testimonials. This water, too, reverts in a few hours? Did I get these right? Or am I still missing something? If this is right, do you have any idea how much salt would be used per amount of water to achieve H3O? I'm just trying to sort out these different types of water and their uses, and if each can be made at home. Without anything more than ph strips to determine what the waters consist of, I can only go by what I am learning here, and trust that the waters will turn out as easily and consistently as CS. :-)Thanks, Ode, for taking the time to explain things. Samala, Renee *---Original Message---* If your H3O [ acid water, the counterpart to OH rich alkaline water ] Is made pure in separate containers with nothing to neutralize it, there's no reason it wouldn't last as long as anyone elses. These are pure water products.
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
Good Morning Renee, H3O is heavy water- I must have missed what that is supposed to be good for- and why they can't sell it here. Maybe it has something to do with that it is used in nuclear reactors to help absorb the stray isotopes or something. Or maybe you mean some other thing-or am I just confused again? It is beginning to be a beautiful spring here- the snow has just melted, so maybe I have spring fever. I have really been enjoying the discussions, thanks you all. Kathryn On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Gaiacita wrote: Thanks Ode. I'm kinda clear on this. :-) Thing is, there's a lady here saying that the Kangen machines DO use a salt solution--so perhaps their healthy water is the same as this miracle water. To bad there isn't a way to test it at home, beyond the ph test. There must be some way to keep H3O stable. The same company that sells the original cansema salve has a new H3O product. It sounds pretty miracle to me and I've been trying to buy some--but they are not selling it yet. Have to get it past their government. They moved to south America because the FDA had shut them down here. But the lady said that as soon as their new country ok's the product they'll be able to ship it to the US. Apparently their H3O is stable, but maybe this acid water in these home ionizers does the same thing, only you'd have to make it and use it right away? Very promising. Thanks for taking the time for the great explanations. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- ## The process is the same, the substance the process is used on is way different. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
Hey Kathryn. No, you didn't miss anything. We have just mentioned H3O without really saying what it's about, except I think Ode says it's the miracle water. But here's the Alpha Omega labs H3O and what it does. http://www.altcancer.com/h3ointro.htm Very interesting stuff. That's why I was wondering if we could make it here but apparently what we'd make is not stable--won't keep for long. Their's does. Snow!!! Here I am complaining because it's been unusually cold here in the mornings. Gets up to 80 during the day, but the mornings have been in the 40's. Yuck! Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- H3O is heavy water- I must have missed what that is supposed to be good for- and why they can't sell it here. Maybe it has something to do with that it is used in nuclear reactors to help absorb the stray isotopes or something.
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
Clayton Family wrote: Good Morning Renee, H3O is heavy water- I must have missed what that is supposed to be good for- and why they can't sell it here. H3O is NOT heavy water. Heavy water is D2O. Significant quantities of heavy water will kill you, although I have never understood exactly why. Marshall Maybe it has something to do with that it is used in nuclear reactors to help absorb the stray isotopes or something. Or maybe you mean some other thing-or am I just confused again? It is beginning to be a beautiful spring here- the snow has just melted, so maybe I have spring fever. I have really been enjoying the discussions, thanks you all. Kathryn On Apr 5, 2009, at 10:01 PM, Gaiacita wrote: Thanks Ode. I'm kinda clear on this. :-) Thing is, there's a lady here saying that the Kangen machines DO use a salt solution--so perhaps their healthy water is the same as this miracle water. To bad there isn't a way to test it at home, beyond the ph test. There must be some way to keep H3O stable. The same company that sells the original cansema salve has a new H3O product. It sounds pretty miracle to me and I've been trying to buy some--but they are not selling it yet. Have to get it past their government. They moved to south America because the FDA had shut them down here. But the lady said that as soon as their new country ok's the product they'll be able to ship it to the US. Apparently their H3O is stable, but maybe this acid water in these home ionizers does the same thing, only you'd have to make it and use it right away? Very promising. Thanks for taking the time for the great explanations. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- ## The process is the same, the substance the process is used on is way different. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
Thanks Marshall for setting me straight. K. On Apr 6, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Marshall Dudley wrote: Clayton Family wrote: Good Morning Renee, H3O is heavy water- I must have missed what that is supposed to be good for- and why they can't sell it here. H3O is NOT heavy water. Heavy water is D2O. Significant quantities of heavy water will kill you, although I have never understood exactly why. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water Puppy
Might be needing some distinctions here. Magic Miracle Water = house hold disinfecting cleaner made by a device that dissociates salt water into something like Formula 409 and Chlorox mixed together...might not want to be drinking that as oral dosing isn't very accurate and digestive delays could make a mistake very unpleasant if not fatal. ...naturally clean; both inside and out [a disturbing idea when applied to the above. Out, sure. In..I dunno 'bout that, sounds risky ] Zapper = might make similar substances in the body out of salt in the blood and work sort of like chemo, only very real time controllable and fast neutralizing with some control over targeting an area. [Unlike drinking or injecting similar substances such as .Miracle Mineral Supplement [ MMS] Chlorine Dioxide.. or a doctors chemical cocktail, all of which can give you the toxic whoozies, big time, due to no real time control and no neutralizing agent always present in equal proportions ] Or, the difference between a garden hose with a drain nearby and a flash flooded river with darned few sandbags around. Water Ionizer = a device that makes OH [-] rich water aka Alkaline Water...which, incidentally, a CS generator does by default as a byproduct of making EIS CS as the Anion to the Silver Ion...giving the silver water that bitter flavor. Ode At 08:37 AM 4/4/2009 -0800, you wrote: Ode, In answer to your question - I'm talkin' magic miracle water maker. Since you have the Silver Puppy, which has gained world-wide primo status and 'pupularity', I entered my vote fir and nomination for your miracle water maker; The Water Puppy. I like handy devices and would be the first in line to buy it! I like naturally clean; both inside and out Sash ---Original Message--- From: mailto:odecoy...@windstream.netOde Coyote Date: 4/4/2009 6:57:06 AM To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMagic Miracle Water You talkin magic miracle water or Zapper here? ...mebbe both. Hummm How much Miracle Water does one actually need, seeing as it has a very short shelf life. A 409 pumper full every few days on call maybe? Play time coming up. Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
At 11:30 AM 4/4/2009 -0500, you wrote: So Ode, I'm still not understanding the difference between the miracle water and ionized (acid/alkaline) water. Both seem to be made by a single device with 2 electrodes, each going into a separate container, with some sort of gateway between them. ## The process is the same, the substance the process is used on is way different. Water dissociates into H3O [acid] and OH [base..the Ion in Ionized water] Salt dissociates into HClO [ Hypochlorous acid..sorta like Swimming Pool Chlorine ] and NaOH [Lye..a dandy degreaser and sometimes paint stripper if the absence of paint on my range hood is any indication] ..best be watching concentrations very close like. Ode About the only difference I see is that the miracle water uses salt whereas the ionized water (Kangen type) uses some calcium minerals. Both running off electricity. Is it a difference in voltage? ## Nope One thought was that stainless steel electrodes were used--you thought with the miracle water. The Kangen type uses titanium. ## Both electrode types do the same thing, Titanium might last longer or might be a marketing gimmick to validate the high price of a very simple machine. Ideally, Platinum would be used. Can you explain the difference between what makes miracle water and what makes acid alkaline water? I guess I'm just being dense, but I don't understand by what has been explained already. Is it just because the miracle water uses salt? Is the salt in both water containers? ## If you want the dissociated products to not neutralize each other very soon after removing the power source, then different containers would be the thing to do in both cases. It's the same water in both containers...different polarity of electrical current. If you use one container, each electrode produces different things which will mix back together and turn back into what it was, [salt...or...just water] soon after the power is turned off [short shelf life] And I certainly don't get the zapper connection. sigh ## An original misnomer that throws away meaning: Blood Electrification See, It looks to me that Beck, Clark and company got the effect right, but the REASON for the effect, wrong. You can't electrify a water based liquid like a metal wire..it's all chemical Ion transport of electrons, not electron flow. It's not an electron gun shooting enemy DNA soldiers. It's electrons riding the chemical bus line around town. [running down criminal pedestrians in the road? ...and maybe scuffing the curbs a bit, just enough for a nice shiny new coat of paint to stick well ] Also, since the original premise is [likely] in error and chemical reactions take time..Frequency will be about penetration and concentration as chemicals are washed around by blood river...and polarity, a matter of what chemical is made where. You have at least 4 different chemical tweeks to work with...maybe more. ZAPPER: It's [theoretically] like making Miracle Cleaner Water in your veins and tissues where YOU are the single bucket of salt water and both products made FROM the salt are ready to turn right back INTO salt the moment you turn the Zapper off. That's assuming that there is no real difference between a People bucket of salt water and a Mud bucket of salt water, with the same electricity applied to a pair of electrodes. The nice part is that controlling the concentration of either product can be done with relative electrode size [square inches of area]and WHERE that concentration concentrates, can be done with electrode placement...and how FAST both are produced, controlled by a simple current knob. [in either a bucket OR a body ] IF [in fact] a cancer can't live in an Alkaline environment, you could configure the electrodes to concentrate the production of Lye near a tumor, and make the Chlorine very dilute over a much wider area...and where the two meet, they turn back into salt. If you have a localized infection, you can concentrate the Chlorine there and dilute the Lye. You get to chemically poison a targeted area, just right.and quit real fast...and sort of pick your poison. To me, [ in motorhead body work terms where paint represents bugs, parasites, damaged or malformed cells and fatty plaque deposits] that sounds like a Chemo-Therapy sand blaster with a way to control the air pressure and direction of the blasting sand so you can wash the crappy paint off without cutting a hole in the steel, giving you a nice clean surface for new paint to grow AND an easy way to keep sand from piling up on the floor. rather than a Chemo GRENADE where all you can do is pull the pin and RUN...hoping to stay out of the crater. [.flush a clogged toilet with a cherry bomb? Well, that works, but what does the bathroom look like afterwards? A little Draino and some Chlorox.a better idea...and applied in the right places
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
Thanks Ode. I'm kinda clear on this. :-) Thing is, there's a lady here saying that the Kangen machines DO use a salt solution--so perhaps their healthy water is the same as this miracle water. To bad there isn't a way to test it at home, beyond the ph test. There must be some way to keep H3O stable. The same company that sells the original cansema salve has a new H3O product. It sounds pretty miracle to me and I've been trying to buy some--but they are not selling it yet. Have to get it past their government. They moved to south America because the FDA had shut them down here. But the lady said that as soon as their new country ok's the product they'll be able to ship it to the US. Apparently their H3O is stable, but maybe this acid water in these home ionizers does the same thing, only you'd have to make it and use it right away? Very promising. Thanks for taking the time for the great explanations. Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- ## The process is the same, the substance the process is used on is way different.
Re: CSMagic Miracle Water
You talkin magic miracle water or Zapper here? ..mebbe both. Hummm How much Miracle Water does one actually need, seeing as it has a very short shelf life. A 409 pumper full every few days on call maybe? Play time coming up. Ode At 09:02 AM 4/3/2009 -0800, you wrote: So Ode - This really does sound like a leap into Green! This seems to be a 'Necessity' for home and health use. Do I hear the words like - The Water Puppy? Or, am I imagining them? I hope the former. Sash ---Original Message--- From: mailto:odecoy...@windstream.netOde Coyote Date: 04/03/09 05:59:29 To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSorta Like like godzilla? help clear microbes, spirochetes, cyst form, L-form, and all others, including bacteria, virus, fungus, and parasites...is what Hulda Clark sez about blood electrification and she might be right, but for the wrong reasons. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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So Ode, I'm still not understanding the difference between the miracle water and ionized (acid/alkaline) water. Both seem to be made by a single device with 2 electrodes, each going into a separate container, with some sort of gateway between them. About the only difference I see is that the miracle water uses salt whereas the ionized water (Kangen type) uses some calcium minerals. Both running off electricity. Is it a difference in voltage? One thought was that stainless steel electrodes were used--you thought with the miracle water. The Kangen type uses titanium. Can you explain the difference between what makes miracle water and what makes acid alkaline water? I guess I'm just being dense, but I don't understand by what has been explained already. Is it just because the miracle water uses salt? Is the salt in both water containers? And I certainly don't get the zapper connection. sigh Samala, Renee ---Original Message--- You talkin magic miracle water or Zapper here? ...mebbe both. Hummm
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Ode, In answer to your question - I'm talkin' magic miracle water maker. Since you have the Silver Puppy, which has gained world-wide primo status and 'pupularity', I entered my vote fir and nomination for your miracle water maker; The Water Puppy. I like handy devices and would be the first in line to buy it! I like naturally clean; both inside and out Sash ---Original Message--- From: Ode Coyote Date: 4/4/2009 6:57:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMagic Miracle Water You talkin magic miracle water or Zapper here? ...mebbe both. Hummm How much Miracle Water does one actually need, seeing as it has a very short shelf life. A 409 pumper full every few days on call maybe? Play time coming up. Ode
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Oops! I thought I checked my spelling. That should be for; not fir. Scuse please! Sash ---Original Message--- From: sms Date: 4/4/2009 7:38:31 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSMagic Miracle Water Puppy Ode, In answer to your question - I'm talkin' magic miracle water maker. Since you have the Silver Puppy, which has gained world-wide primo status and 'pupularity', I entered my vote fir and nomination for your miracle water maker; The Water Puppy. I like handy devices and would be the first in line to buy it! I like naturally clean; both inside and out Sash -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSMagic Miracle Water
So Ode - This really does sound like a leap into Green! This seems to be a Necessity' for home and health use. Do I hear the words like - The Water Puppy? Or, am I imagining them? I hope the former. Sash ---Original Message--- From: Ode Coyote Date: 04/03/09 05:59:29 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSorta Like like godzilla? help clear microbes, spirochetes, cyst form, L-form, and all others, including bacteria, virus, fungus, and parasites...is what Hulda Clark sez about blood electrification and she might be right, but for the wrong reasons.
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I suppose, instead of Electrodes, it would have Dog Paddles... Dan On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:02 PM, sms s...@emotap.com wrote: So Ode - This really does sound like a leap into Green! This seems to be a 'Necessity' for home and health use. Do I hear the words like - The Water Puppy? Or, am I imagining them? I hope the former. Sash ---Original Message--- From: Ode Coyote Date: 04/03/09 05:59:29 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSorta Like like godzilla? help clear microbes, spirochetes, cyst form, L-form, and all others, including bacteria, virus, fungus, and parasites...is what Hulda Clark sez about blood electrification and she might be right, but for the wrong reasons. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
