Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Neville: Than you for that!
My sentiments exactly.
Dave
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote:
Funny you should mention 'patience'...mine's just run out!
Where the bloody hell's your off switch or button?
I unsubscribed from the OT List to get away from your mystical, magical
airy fairy stuff.
If I wanted a surmon I'd join a congregation {if I believed in that}. Take
it to the OT List, and take a copy of The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins
with you and gimme a break from these fairy tales.
# Apologies to the List owner, take whatever disciplinary action you deem
fit for this posting. #
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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:35:15 -0400
From: bodhisat...@mutemail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Life is a kind of mirror, a school of souls if you will, reflections of
that in ourselves which we love, and that which we need to improve on. It's
up to each of us to understand the purpose of these lessons, and that's the
intricacies of discovering our path. We're all like giant points of
attraction, there is a certain symbolical nature to life, like a dream.
So for example, years ago I examined all of my friends, and close family,
and found them all to be comedians, literally, I was around 'funny people'.
The lesson here was, bring out the funny in me, lighten the load, chill out,
enjoy the humorous side of life. For much of last year, I've had a
succession of people that demanded 'patience' come into my experience, and
therefore, I am going to assume that the lesson I needed to learn, is to be
more patient, which I worked on exhaustively last year..
If a person comes into your experience that does things that are pleasing
to you, and around you, then these are teachers there to show you an aspect
of yourself that you aren't aware of, or need to cultivate. If someone
appears that does something that infuriates you, consistently, then these
are teachers to show you aspects of yourself that aren't in control, and
need addressing. I know a lady(not on this list) that is very antagonistic,
and thinks everyone is a smartass, when in reality, she's the one that has a
highly antagonistic tone, and is being shown aspects of herself that aren't
in harmony, and need addressing. If someone is opinionated, and bossy, they
will find these aspects all around them, people they meet will appear so.
That's the riddle of life, the great dissonance that precludes true
understanding of this process, our ancestors understood, we do not.
An example of this, one day a few weeks ago I was in a hurry, rushing
around, and feeling rushed, and in the mood to push people out of my way to
get what I needed to get done. I took my son to Subway for a bite to eat,
but on the way there, I was bombarded with a succession of cars cutting me
off, or swerving into my lane. At Subway, there was a pushy lady with pushy
kids behind us, pushing us away from ordering, being totally obnoxious,
screaming into her cell phone, and acting like she was a pharoah or
something. I realized fairly quickly, this is what I was resonating with,
and therefore, this is all I would attract. I changed my frequency - like a
radio station to be one of love, and those hurried, arrogant people were
replaced by compassionate ones. The people didn't disappear, they just sort
of collected with another set of people or persons, their paths did not
cross mine any longer. This is, the power of intention, it's a survival
skill, a great teacher.
Once this process is understood, you can become a great counselor for
others, because finding the things that need addressing is simply a matter
of looking at what is happening around them, then pointing the symbology out
to them for addressing. Sometimes, we find that physical symptoms are great
teachers as well, and that symptoms can often be indications of emotions, or
thoughts that need addressing. One of the greatest health tonics available,
is to understand this, accept responsibility for it, and stop handing power
over to specific pathogens. They are there to address something, not the
cause, the result of. A compost bin attracts bacteria not because it is a
compost bin, but because of the rotting trash inside of the compost bin.
*All judgment reveals itself to be self-judgment in the end, and when this
is understood a larger comprehension of the nature of life takes its place.
-David R. Hawkins*
Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
I don't enjoy being lectured by someone who is very opinionated and bossy. I
don't consider some of your beliefs to be in any way either logical or
possible, but have refrained from saying so because I believe we are all
entitled to believe what we want. Kindly just carry on believing what you
want, but allow me to do the same. dee
On 21 Jun 2010, at 21:08, bodhisattva wrote
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
*/And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be
not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whosoever shall not
receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or
city, shake off the dust of your feet/*.*/ /* */-Matthew 10/*
Dave Darrin wrote:
Neville: Than you for that!
My sentiments exactly.
Dave
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:37 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.com
mailto:one.red...@hotmail.com wrote:
Funny you should mention 'patience'...mine's just run out!
Where the bloody hell's your off switch or button?
I unsubscribed from the OT List to get away from your mystical,
magical airy fairy stuff.
If I wanted a surmon I'd join a congregation {if I believed in
that}. Take it to the OT List, and take a copy of The God
Delusion by Richard Dawkins with you and gimme a break from these
fairy tales.
# Apologies to the List owner, take whatever disciplinary action
you deem fit for this posting. #
N.
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
That's not a skeptic. Believer [or Anti Believer...same thing] by default? But like my Dad says about UFOs...unless they help or interfere with putting food on the table, whether or not they exist doesn't mattergot better things to do with my time. Ode We already have a fine example of a skeptic in a previous email, let me quote it here; (and this is totally fine, it's a reality he is comfortable with, God bless him) I don't even look anymore, If I hadn't seen anything in the past 75 years it is highly unlikely I would recognize it anyway. Jason R Eaton wrote: Hi Bodhisattva: snip -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
A true skeptic is a non believer. Most are really *anti* believers no different from their opposition, neither of which closely examines beliefs and both of which bolsters them with exclusion of all that doesn't apply. ode At 06:06 PM 6/21/2010 -0400, you wrote: You put it directly, I said the same thing nicely. Basically, skeptics are 'dead energy', nothing moves either way, nothing happens. Jane MacRoss wrote: I have found skeptics to be basically fence sitters which means they are usually pains in the A*se whereas I walk a razor's edged path so it's my feet that are sore. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June ...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. Your experience may be different though. Best Regards, Jason -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
I don't enjoy being lectured by someone who is very opinionated and bossy. I don't consider some of your beliefs to be in any way either logical or possible, but have refrained from saying so because I believe we are all entitled to believe what we want. Kindly just carry on believing what you want, but allow me to do the same. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 21:08, bodhisattva wrote: Not an opinion, a fact. Skepticism itself is a 'doctrine', and a 'Skeptic' is a preacher of this doctrine/religion. Ism' is basically something taken too far, before one engages their logical, and intuitive mind to take a rational, healthy approach to something. The dictionary defines an 'ism' as an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief. Fundamentalism Islamicism Rationalism Skepticism Buddhism Hinduism Catholicism Evanglicalism All the same, just another oppressive doctrine. Like I said a good healthy, open mind, with an intuitive sense of wonder, and a logical sense of investigation is best termed 'normal'. Anything else, is probably considered to be some degree of insanity, or irrational overzealousness.. Prill beads, and this discussion I will continue on the off-topic list if it is warranted. Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Thanks Jason, this is what I have always tried to achieve--and then make a decision based on the result. Always trying to keep an open mind though. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 22:35, Jason R Eaton wrote: Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. Your experience may be different though. Best Regards, Jason -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Now *that* is a very well thought out, reasoned argument, and worthy of being taken on board. I bet it won't be in some quarters though. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 23:37, Jason R Eaton wrote: Hi Bodhisattva: Your remarks are (and quite classically) very prejudicial. Skeptics are not armchair philosophers. They are scientists, with a varying degree of skill, that are quite active in world of inquiry. Granted, there are many people who don't understand the term and claim to be one, but this is universal with any belief system. The true skeptic ideology ignores belief altogether as absent of real existance. A belief is only a form of energy (a very feeble one, usually) and has only a fleeting connection with reality (objective or perceived). And while most ardent skeptics are very existential, they ***do not ever*** fall into the trap of discounting anecdotal evidence. This of course means that a good skeptic cannot afford an atheistic viewpoint any more than a good skeptic can afford a perspective of fervent religious faith. This usually makes the true skeptic a highly successful, achieved, and qualified scientist. However, like most disciples of truth, finding a good practitioner can be extremely rare. http://www.skeptic.com Most people of spiritual concerns are deeply resentful of skepticism. This is quite sad, as I was personally taught to apply this very buddhistic idea first and foremost with the mental and emotional realm as a part of a healthy spiritual discipline. Equally, however, people neglect to remember that the end result of inquiry is either a demonstration of fact or a lack of conclusion. With most actual real spiritual pursuits, the act of inquiry will lead to a lack of conclusion... and yet, hopefully, the collection of useful data. A skeptic is ok with being left in doubt; a believer is usually NOT ok with that uncomfortable concept. However, there are times when skepticism has demonstrated beyond any possible doubt the reality of certain religious, spiritual and philisophical practices. I could list some of the spiritual greats of world history (few of which have come from the English speaking world) that embrace the art of Inquiry (need I neglect to mention the Indian sage who perfect the art of Self Inqiry from atma-vicara?)... but someone else already did a good job with historic figures for me: http://www.healthyskepticism.org/global/quotes/list/science/ I actually view your weak and unsubstantiated (not to mention not very well thought out) negativity against the idea of the skeptic as an attack which needs a few moments of reasonable defense. While the off topic list is the perfect place for such things to be discussed, I think that THIS list needs to remain very open to inquiry and questioning and doubt... for the benefit of the people who do not believe as you do. If you had stated that you are a Nazi and hate jews, you would have been banned from this list. However, it appears that other forms of prejudism are well tolerated. Best Regards, Jason -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
You might state that you enjoy it, but you don't actually *listen* to any of it though! The only opinion you seem to take any notice of is your own, or someone who agrees with you. That doesn't strike me as being open minded. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 23:56, bodhisattva wrote: This isn't relevant at all, since I clearly state - I ENJOY inquiry and investigation, and encourage it. That's healthy, but that's not skepticism, which is not careful, rational, and intuitive study/investigation/exploration/trial, but an extreme of such to the point that outcomes are often ignored, or summarily discounted. Anything else is arguing over semantics, and you are welcome to do that.. With yourself. We already have a fine example of a skeptic in a previous email, let me quote it here; (and this is totally fine, it's a reality he is comfortable with, God bless him) I don't even look anymore, If I hadn't seen anything in the past 75 years it is highly unlikely I would recognize it anyway. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
I think this is ridiculous. To be a sceptic means to question things, not to dismiss things out of hand. I question things--which means everything I'm told, and then if it turns out to be true or correct, then I will take it on board. This is the opposite of blindly following what you are told and this includes everything from health, doctors, scientist, religions, everything! How can this be a bad thing? dee On 22 Jun 2010, at 01:39, Alan Jones wrote: Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery? Alan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
And hopefully, Dee will soon reach my post reqeusting that we end this topic, and stop responding to it!? evil grin In the meantime, everybody please refrain from responding to Dee's posts! Thank you. Mike I think this is ridiculous. To be a sceptic means to question things, not to dismiss things out of hand. I question things--which means everything I'm told, and then if it turns out to be true or correct, then I will take it on board. This is the opposite of blindly following what you are told and this includes everything from health, doctors, scientist, religions, everything! How can this be a bad thing? dee On 22 Jun 2010, at 01:39, Alan Jones wrote: Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery? Alan -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ]
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Life is a kind of mirror, a school of souls if you will, reflections of that in ourselves which we love, and that which we need to improve on. It's up to each of us to understand the purpose of these lessons, and that's the intricacies of discovering our path. We're all like giant points of attraction, there is a certain symbolical nature to life, like a dream. So for example, years ago I examined all of my friends, and close family, and found them all to be comedians, literally, I was around 'funny people'. The lesson here was, bring out the funny in me, lighten the load, chill out, enjoy the humorous side of life. For much of last year, I've had a succession of people that demanded 'patience' come into my experience, and therefore, I am going to assume that the lesson I needed to learn, is to be more patient, which I worked on exhaustively last year.. If a person comes into your experience that does things that are pleasing to you, and around you, then these are teachers there to show you an aspect of yourself that you aren't aware of, or need to cultivate. If someone appears that does something that infuriates you, consistently, then these are teachers to show you aspects of yourself that aren't in control, and need addressing. I know a lady(not on this list) that is very antagonistic, and thinks everyone is a smartass, when in reality, she's the one that has a highly antagonistic tone, and is being shown aspects of herself that aren't in harmony, and need addressing. If someone is opinionated, and bossy, they will find these aspects all around them, people they meet will appear so. That's the riddle of life, the great dissonance that precludes true understanding of this process, our ancestors understood, we do not. An example of this, one day a few weeks ago I was in a hurry, rushing around, and feeling rushed, and in the mood to push people out of my way to get what I needed to get done. I took my son to Subway for a bite to eat, but on the way there, I was bombarded with a succession of cars cutting me off, or swerving into my lane. At Subway, there was a pushy lady with pushy kids behind us, pushing us away from ordering, being totally obnoxious, screaming into her cell phone, and acting like she was a pharoah or something. I realized fairly quickly, this is what I was resonating with, and therefore, this is all I would attract. I changed my frequency - like a radio station to be one of love, and those hurried, arrogant people were replaced by compassionate ones. The people didn't disappear, they just sort of collected with another set of people or persons, their paths did not cross mine any longer. This is, the power of intention, it's a survival skill, a great teacher. Once this process is understood, you can become a great counselor for others, because finding the things that need addressing is simply a matter of looking at what is happening around them, then pointing the symbology out to them for addressing. Sometimes, we find that physical symptoms are great teachers as well, and that symptoms can often be indications of emotions, or thoughts that need addressing. One of the greatest health tonics available, is to understand this, accept responsibility for it, and stop handing power over to specific pathogens. They are there to address something, not the cause, the result of. A compost bin attracts bacteria not because it is a compost bin, but because of the rotting trash inside of the compost bin. /*All judgment reveals itself to be self-judgment in the end, and when this is understood a larger comprehension of the nature of life takes its place. -David R. Hawkins*/ Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I don't enjoy being lectured by someone who is very opinionated and bossy. I don't consider some of your beliefs to be in any way either logical or possible, but have refrained from saying so because I believe we are all entitled to believe what we want. Kindly just carry on believing what you want, but allow me to do the same. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 21:08, bodhisattva wrote:
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Ode In my neck of the woods that is known as being solid ( not gullible). CS is real , you can see it and you can feel it's benefits. Dave On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.netwrote: That's not a skeptic. Believer [or Anti Believer...same thing] by default? But like my Dad says about UFOs...unless they help or interfere with putting food on the table, whether or not they exist doesn't mattergot better things to do with my time. Ode We already have a fine example of a skeptic in a previous email, let me quote it here; (and this is totally fine, it's a reality he is comfortable with, God bless him) I don't even look anymore, If I hadn't seen anything in the past 75 years it is highly unlikely I would recognize it anyway. Jason R Eaton wrote: Hi Bodhisattva: snip -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Funny you should mention 'patience'...mine's just run out!
Where the bloody hell's your off switch or button?
I unsubscribed from the OT List to get away from your mystical, magical airy
fairy stuff.
If I wanted a surmon I'd join a congregation {if I believed in that}. Take it
to the OT List, and take a copy of The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins with
you and gimme a break from these fairy tales.
# Apologies to the List owner, take whatever disciplinary action you deem fit
for this posting. #
N.
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:35:15 -0400
From: bodhisat...@mutemail.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Life is a kind of mirror, a school of souls if you will, reflections of that in
ourselves which we love, and that which we need to improve on. It's up to each
of us to understand the purpose of these lessons, and that's the intricacies of
discovering our path. We're all like giant points of attraction, there is a
certain symbolical nature to life, like a dream.
So for example, years ago I examined all of my friends, and close family, and
found them all to be comedians, literally, I was around 'funny people'. The
lesson here was, bring out the funny in me, lighten the load, chill out, enjoy
the humorous side of life. For much of last year, I've had a succession of
people that demanded 'patience' come into my experience, and therefore, I am
going to assume that the lesson I needed to learn, is to be more patient, which
I worked on exhaustively last year..
If a person comes into your experience that does things that are pleasing to
you, and around you, then these are teachers there to show you an aspect of
yourself that you aren't aware of, or need to cultivate. If someone appears
that does something that infuriates you, consistently, then these are teachers
to show you aspects of yourself that aren't in control, and need addressing. I
know a lady(not on this list) that is very antagonistic, and thinks everyone is
a smartass, when in reality, she's the one that has a highly antagonistic tone,
and is being shown aspects of herself that aren't in harmony, and need
addressing. If someone is opinionated, and bossy, they will find these aspects
all around them, people they meet will appear so. That's the riddle of life,
the great dissonance that precludes true understanding of this process, our
ancestors understood, we do not.
An example of this, one day a few weeks ago I was in a hurry, rushing around,
and feeling rushed, and in the mood to push people out of my way to get what I
needed to get done. I took my son to Subway for a bite to eat, but on the way
there, I was bombarded with a succession of cars cutting me off, or swerving
into my lane. At Subway, there was a pushy lady with pushy kids behind us,
pushing us away from ordering, being totally obnoxious, screaming into her cell
phone, and acting like she was a pharoah or something. I realized fairly
quickly, this is what I was resonating with, and therefore, this is all I would
attract. I changed my frequency - like a radio station to be one of love, and
those hurried, arrogant people were replaced by compassionate ones. The people
didn't disappear, they just sort of collected with another set of people or
persons, their paths did not cross mine any longer. This is, the power of
intention, it's a survival skill, a great teacher.
Once this process is understood, you can become a great counselor for others,
because finding the things that need addressing is simply a matter of looking
at what is happening around them, then pointing the symbology out to them for
addressing. Sometimes, we find that physical symptoms are great teachers as
well, and that symptoms can often be indications of emotions, or thoughts that
need addressing. One of the greatest health tonics available, is to understand
this, accept responsibility for it, and stop handing power over to specific
pathogens. They are there to address something, not the cause, the result of.
A compost bin attracts bacteria not because it is a compost bin, but because of
the rotting trash inside of the compost bin.
All judgment reveals itself to be self-judgment in the end, and when this is
understood a larger comprehension of the nature of life takes its place. -David
R. Hawkins
Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
I don't enjoy being lectured by someone who is very opinionated and bossy. I
don't consider some of your beliefs to be in any way either logical or
possible, but have refrained from saying so because I believe we are all
entitled to believe what we want. Kindly just carry on believing what you
want, but allow me to do the same. dee
On 21 Jun 2010, at 21:08, bodhisattva wrote:
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Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
OK I am going to go full force with them, and use them all the time right now. The only thing that concerns me is I want to put them in the empty water bottles that I buy the case. I read somewhere that they can't be stored in plastic for long periods of time and they will effect the bottles themselves. Any concerns or advice? My last big glass jar/bottle has stood for a couple of days with out any usage due to much work that needed to be done and is almost finished. Took some tonight and still really like the taste. Has anyone used it with CS yet and what are the results? Is there anywhere we can buy in bulk? I have so many ideas to use them and pass on to friends. Thank you Cathy In a message dated 6/21/2010 12:11:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, bodhisat...@mutemail.com writes: I agree, we had to add another half gallon Mason Jar of them because we went through 1 gallon so fast, not enough time to recharge them, the benefits not fully realized. Hopefully we're getting more benefit now that they seem to be charing longer. 10 hours at least and they 'start' to get good, but ideally, 24 hours as Bob says. Bob Banever wrote: Sandee, I hope you are letting the Prill beads soak in the water for at least 24 hours before drinking it. If not, you aren't getting the benefits of them. Bob - Original Message - From: Sandee George oha...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:56 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Hi There to all, I purchased my Prill Beads from thewolfeclinic.com - now that I have them in hand - they are distributed by Life Enthusiast - so I have no way of telling whether these are the good ones or the bad ones. They are called Trans Derma Bath Prills - came in a 2 lb bag which is mesh packaged in a plastic bag. I did not put the entire mesh bag with the 2 lbs into a glass 1 gallon jar all at once - I opened the mesh bag and put about 1/3 of the beads into distilled water after washing them about five times under tap water - the water is clear, has a taste and is good to drink once it is placed in a smaller glass jug - closed - in the fridg - however, I have to say this far, I have had none of the intense reactions that others have had - with time I will be able to report more on this aspect. When I first opened the plastic bag I took my pendulum to check them, and it gave me a very intense positive reaction - I then asked both Bodhi Marshall to douse them and received the following readings : 550 ish 3-4 disharmonious freqs - I cleared them and then asked for another reading - I am still waiting for a reply from Bodhi who I know is very busy. Marshall's was firstly - can't find this reading in my files, however after I did my clearing thing, he gave me a reading of 925 - which I believe was higher than his first.I just had a glass to drink and used my pendulum on it before drinking it and got a positive response however not as intense as the first time I used it on them before putting them into the water or reducing the amount of beads, so maybe this has something to do with the reduced reaction by my pendulum. Will keep you all posted as my experience continues with time Regards to all Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
I occasionally have bought fruit juice in glass bottles, both 1L 350mL sizes - I was going to use these. I threw my plastic bottles out. I also bought a stainless steel bottle for the water i take in the car but for some reason I don't like it - but how would prill beads go in metal - anyone know? Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: cathy39...@aol.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 4:40 PM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June OK I am going to go full force with them, and use them all the time right now. The only thing that concerns me is I want to put them in the empty water bottles that I buy the case. I read somewhere that they can't be stored in plastic for long periods of time and they will effect the bottles themselves. Any concerns or advice? My last big glass jar/bottle has stood for a couple of days with out any usage due to much work that needed to be done and is almost finished. Took some tonight and still really like the taste. Has anyone used it with CS yet and what are the results? Is there anywhere we can buy in bulk? I have so many ideas to use them and pass on to friends. Thank you Cathy In a message dated 6/21/2010 12:11:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, bodhisat...@mutemail.com writes: I agree, we had to add another half gallon Mason Jar of them because we went through 1 gallon so fast, not enough time to recharge them, the benefits not fully realized. Hopefully we're getting more benefit now that they seem to be charing longer. 10 hours at least and they 'start' to get good, but ideally, 24 hours as Bob says. Bob Banever wrote: Sandee, I hope you are letting the Prill beads soak in the water for at least 24 hours before drinking it. If not, you aren't getting the benefits of them. Bob - Original Message - From: Sandee George oha...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:56 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Hi There to all, I purchased my Prill Beads from thewolfeclinic.com - now that I have them in hand - they are distributed by Life Enthusiast - so I have no way of telling whether these are the good ones or the bad ones. They are called Trans Derma Bath Prills - came in a 2 lb bag which is mesh packaged in a plastic bag. I did not put the entire mesh bag with the 2 lbs into a glass 1 gallon jar all at once - I opened the mesh bag and put about 1/3 of the beads into distilled water after washing them about five times under tap water - the water is clear, has a taste and is good to drink once it is placed in a smaller glass jug - closed - in the fridg - however, I have to say this far, I have had none of the intense reactions that others have had - with time I will be able to report more on this aspect. When I first opened the plastic bag I took my pendulum to check them, and it gave me a very intense positive reaction - I then asked both Bodhi Marshall to douse them and received the following readings : 550 ish 3-4 disharmonious freqs - I cleared them and then asked for another reading - I am still waiting for a reply from Bodhi who I know is very busy. Marshall's was firstly - can't find this reading in my files, however after I did my clearing thing, he gave me a reading of 925 - which I believe was higher than his first.I just had a glass to drink and used my pendulum on it before drinking it and got a positive response however not as intense as the first time I used it on them before putting them into the water or reducing the amount of beads, so maybe this has something to do with the reduced reaction by my pendulum. Will keep you all posted as my experience continues with time Regards to all Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2396 - Release Date: 09/26/09 05:51:00
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
I have great sympathy with this point of view Dave, as I am and always will be - I hopea skeptic. My logical mind says it is all nonsense, but sometimes a tiny voice says'hmm - you never know'so I still keep an open mind, just in case someone can ever *prove* any of it to me lol dee On 20 Jun 2010, at 21:42, Dave Darrin wrote: You are right up to a point. My concern is that people on this list may take up on something outlandish and miss out or delay using a factual protocol that could do them a world of good if not save their lives. Whenever this kind of thing shows up it aggravates me to no end ( holy water is ordinary tap water) (blessing before killing doesn't make it less dead) All the other mystic stuff, too numerous to quantify is what I called CRAP. You are right that it is all Perception, that is what gives us the placebo effect. But it seldom ever continues to help over a period of time. Dave \ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. Many a person has suffered because of adherence to yet another 'ism', which in the case of being a skeptic, simply taking it too far. You can skepticism yourself right out of effective healing, miracles, and even a broader sense of reality. So for example, remaining open, yet constantly seeking, is a wise move in my opinion, and this is what I do. I never take anything at face value, which is why I test, test, test again, physically and spiritually, and test over expanded time frames, and invest in what I need to run these tests, sometimes hundreds of dollars in testing gear. It's not because I subscribe to an 'ism', it's because I like to satiate the desire of my left hemisphere to see affirmation, while keeping my intuitive side on the right track. For prills, it's a low cost investment, just a few dollars. The drum beat of them has been steadily increasing over the years, and a few people I consider pretty health conscious, are advocates of them. So I examined them over time, before ordering. Then a few more people chimed in, such as Mr. Booth, an expert spiritual dowser that indicated he found a 800% improvement in water treated with them. Then Marshall comes in with similar findings, then another guru I know chimes in. So for a few dollars, I try it, and carefully, slowly, examine the processes of it, of which I am still doing. I run various water tests to determine the activity of it, and watch my biological processes for beneficial or negative responses to it. I test it on others willing to test, and some not knowing they are being tested. Even so, I still continue my research, Dave has actually provided me more information to further that research, and I am actually grateful. The top scientists in the world are the ones conducting backroom and basement experiments, these are the movers and shakers. Not these white coated charlatans at major universities. I contacted one about Ice Spikes one time, and was told it is Impossible to duplicate them outside of controlled circumstances. I explained exactly how I can do it, and do it repeatedly, and he said That's nonsense, and stopped talking to me. That's the kind of ridiculous close minded, skepticism that's screwing this country up - the one these so-called experts have an abundance of. My friend Magda Havas proved, without doubt, that EMF exposure accelerates our aging, and in the process of doing that, accelerates the symptoms of aging, including tumors. We wait around for study after study, discussion after discussion, and nothing ever gets done.. She invests in her own equipment, runs her own studies, and comes up with results that nobody can really deny. She's a true scientist. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7E36zGHxRw Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: I have great sympathy with this point of view Dave, as I am and always will be - I hopea skeptic. My logical mind says it is all nonsense, but sometimes a tiny voice says'hmm - you never know'so I still keep an open mind, just in case someone can ever *prove* any of it to me lol dee On 20 Jun 2010, at 21:42, Dave Darrin wrote: You are right up to a point. My concern is that people on this list may take up on something outlandish and miss out or delay using a factual protocol that could do them a world of good if not save their lives. Whenever this kind of thing shows up it aggravates me to no end ( holy water is ordinary tap water) (blessing before killing doesn't make it less dead) All the other mystic stuff, too numerous to quantify is what I called CRAP. You are right that it is all Perception, that is what gives us the placebo effect. But it seldom ever continues to help over a period of time. Dave \
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Your opinion, not mine. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 20:22, bodhisattva wrote: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Not an opinion, a fact. Skepticism itself is a 'doctrine', and a 'Skeptic' is a preacher of this doctrine/religion. Ism' is basically something taken too far, before one engages their logical, and intuitive mind to take a rational, healthy approach to something. The dictionary defines an 'ism' as an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief. Fundamentalism Islamicism Rationalism Skepticism Buddhism Hinduism Catholicism Evanglicalism All the same, just another oppressive doctrine. Like I said a good healthy, open mind, with an intuitive sense of wonder, and a logical sense of investigation is best termed 'normal'. Anything else, is probably considered to be some degree of insanity, or irrational overzealousness.. Prill beads, and this discussion I will continue on the off-topic list if it is warranted. Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Your opinion, not mine. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 20:22, bodhisattva wrote: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful.
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. Your experience may be different though. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: bodhisattva To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:08 PM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Not an opinion, a fact. Skepticism itself is a 'doctrine', and a 'Skeptic' is a preacher of this doctrine/religion. Ism' is basically something taken too far, before one engages their logical, and intuitive mind to take a rational, healthy approach to something. The dictionary defines an 'ism' as an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief. Fundamentalism Islamicism Rationalism Skepticism Buddhism Hinduism Catholicism Evanglicalism All the same, just another oppressive doctrine. Like I said a good healthy, open mind, with an intuitive sense of wonder, and a logical sense of investigation is best termed 'normal'. Anything else, is probably considered to be some degree of insanity, or irrational overzealousness.. Prill beads, and this discussion I will continue on the off-topic list if it is warranted. Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Your opinion, not mine. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 20:22, bodhisattva wrote: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Thank you Dee I've been around long enough now that I feel that if there was any credibility to such stuff I would have run across some inkling of it by now--So my mind is pretty well closed unless something hits me in the face. Dave On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I have great sympathy with this point of view Dave, as I am and always will be - I hopea skeptic. My logical mind says it is all nonsense, but sometimes a tiny voice says'hmm - you never know'so I still keep an open mind, just in case someone can ever *prove* any of it to me lol dee On 20 Jun 2010, at 21:42, Dave Darrin wrote: You are right up to a point. My concern is that people on this list may take up on something outlandish and miss out or delay using a factual protocol that could do them a world of good if not save their lives. Whenever this kind of thing shows up it aggravates me to no end ( holy water is ordinary tap water) (blessing before killing doesn't make it less dead) All the other mystic stuff, too numerous to quantify is what I called CRAP. You are right that it is all Perception, that is what gives us the placebo effect. But it seldom ever continues to help over a period of time. Dave \ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subjectunsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
I have found skeptics to be basically fence sitters which means they are usually pains in the A*se whereas I walk a razor's edged path so it's my feet that are sore. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June ...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. Your experience may be different though. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: bodhisattva To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:08 PM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Not an opinion, a fact. Skepticism itself is a 'doctrine', and a 'Skeptic' is a preacher of this doctrine/religion. Ism' is basically something taken too far, before one engages their logical, and intuitive mind to take a rational, healthy approach to something. The dictionary defines an 'ism' as an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief. Fundamentalism Islamicism Rationalism Skepticism Buddhism Hinduism Catholicism Evanglicalism All the same, just another oppressive doctrine. Like I said a good healthy, open mind, with an intuitive sense of wonder, and a logical sense of investigation is best termed 'normal'. Anything else, is probably considered to be some degree of insanity, or irrational overzealousness.. Prill beads, and this discussion I will continue on the off-topic list if it is warranted. Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Your opinion, not mine. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 20:22, bodhisattva wrote: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2396 - Release Date: 09/26/09 05:51:00
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
You put it directly, I said the same thing nicely. Basically, skeptics are 'dead energy', nothing moves either way, nothing happens. Jane MacRoss wrote: I have found skeptics to be basically fence sitters which means they are usually pains in the A*se whereas I walk a razor's edged path so it's my feet that are sore. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June ...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. Your experience may be different though. Best Regards, Jason -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
I value close scrutiny, and examination of my findings, I encourage others to explore anything I say, and determine if it is the truth for themselves. In fact, I encourage it, and will provide all of the data necessary to facilitate it, I've even recently sent off orgonite to scientists for examination - and have heard back remarkable results. I love it! Anyway.. Most Skeptics I know are some of the most limited, closed minded, and dogmatic individuals I've ever met. Let's not forget, the source of something doesn't always have relevance for what it means today, so the history of Skepticism doesn't necessarily apply to what it means today. Giving someone the middle finger in the 17th century doesn't mean what it means today. During WWII the phrase Whole Nine Yards, meant something very different than it does today. Let's examine the dictionary on Skepticism.. Main Entry: *ism* Pronunciation: \?i-z?m\ Function: /noun/ Etymology: /-ism/ Date: 1680 *1* *:* a distinctive doctrine, cause, or theory *2* *:* an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief we all have got to come to grips with our ism/s/ --- Joycelyn Elders Line number one the key word is Distinctive, which means Specific Style or Different from accepted meaning. For example if someone has a giant nose, twice the size of anyone else, he has a Distinctive nose. So based on that, line would would probably mean that an ism is a extrapoliation of something - that is - to 'overblow' something, or to take something a bit too far. Hence, Fundamentalism or Islamicism are basically an accepted norm, taken to 'Distinctive' (overblown) levels far beyond the intention. The second line is fairly self explanatory, and relates to the first quite closely. That is, 'isms' tend to be limiting, discriminatory, and oppressive. Such as Communism or Capitalism, or Corporatism. Good healthy investigation, contemplation, and anecdotal testing are the trademarks of a wise, intelligent, and discerning person. Skepticism is the trademark of a zealot, and usually anyone that is into skepticism, is also into some other 'ism', they collect them, like beer cans or baseball caps. The owner of this list is someone I consider to have a healthy, investigative, and contemplating mind, willing to try things, discard what doesn't work, and keep what does, but open enough to actually try - a mark of a genius. A /skepticism /person would quickly discount virtually anything, and everything. Dr. Hawkin's says all skeptic sites calibrate below 200, or below the level of truth, and that skepticism itself calibrates under 200 as a 'doctrine'. My father in-law is a huge skeptic, nothing shakes him, even the most miraculous events he always finds an 'explanation' to suit his skepticism. It's incredibly limiting, but more than that, it is DANGEROUS because discernment is lost, and power is handed over to those that aren't skeptics, and are willing to 'do something'. A silly example, I was over at my inlaws for dinner, he started cooking hamburger, I could smell it was ROTTED from the other room, I mentioned this. He said You can't know that, it's still red which means it is fine!.. Well Mr. Skeptic, they squirt Carbon Dioxide on meat to keep it red, even after it rots. But no convincing the skeptic, and chomp down the rotted meat they all did, and sick they all got. Such is the life of an ism' skeptic. Jason R Eaton wrote: ...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. Your experience may be different though. Best Regards, Jason
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Jason, Bodhi, Jason, meet Bodhi. Bodhi, this is Jason. I'd like to encourage both of you to take the time to explore either on the OT list or privately, the common ground between you as well as the areas in which you might differ. Both of you might be unaware that the other has considerable experience and thought behind their positions. Jason, I suspect Bodhi's somewhat hyperbolic treatment of the word 'skepticism' is in reaction to the kind of close orderly examination that meets all of alternative health and other enlightened thinking when it encounters mainstream resistance. He's had more experience with that sort of thing than most people, I suspect. Bodhi, you might not want to let your brush sweep so widely. I'm a skeptic, you're a skeptic, Jason's a skeptic... You demonstrate it by your stubborn examination of things and lengthy testing periods. Skepticism *is* healthy -- *when* it's healthy. If by 'skepticism' you mean closed-minded refusal to address any questioning of established dogma and rejection of all evidence that cannot be explained in conventional terms, then of course you're right. But such a corruption of language is just that, and distorts efforts at intelligent communication. I wish you peace, my friends. Mike D. Jason writes: ...wow, what great science. Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin... Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. In response to the following comment (and follow-on) by Bodhi: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Jane My answer to that is jump off the razor edge on the side of proven protocol and give your feet a rest. Of course looking on the other side to see if you missed anything good now and then should be less perplexing. I don't even look anymore, If I hadn't seen anything in the past 75 years it is highly unlikely I would recognise it anyway. Hurray for SPAM boxes and programs to send messages that offend the sensibilitys there. Dave On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.netwrote: I have found skeptics to be basically fence sitters which means they are usually pains in the A*se whereas I walk a razor's edged path so it's my feet that are sore. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June ...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like the word skepticism or skeptics usually don't because the things they say fall apart quickly under close examination. Your experience may be different though. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: bodhisattva To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 1:08 PM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Not an opinion, a fact. Skepticism itself is a 'doctrine', and a 'Skeptic' is a preacher of this doctrine/religion. Ism' is basically something taken too far, before one engages their logical, and intuitive mind to take a rational, healthy approach to something. The dictionary defines an 'ism' as an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief. Fundamentalism Islamicism Rationalism Skepticism Buddhism Hinduism Catholicism Evanglicalism All the same, just another oppressive doctrine. Like I said a good healthy, open mind, with an intuitive sense of wonder, and a logical sense of investigation is best termed 'normal'. Anything else, is probably considered to be some degree of insanity, or irrational overzealousness.. Prill beads, and this discussion I will continue on the off-topic list if it is warranted. Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Your opinion, not mine. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 20:22, bodhisattva wrote: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2396 - Release Date: 09/26/09 05:51:00
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Hi Bodhisattva: Your remarks are (and quite classically) very prejudicial. Skeptics are not armchair philosophers. They are scientists, with a varying degree of skill, that are quite active in world of inquiry. Granted, there are many people who don't understand the term and claim to be one, but this is universal with any belief system. The true skeptic ideology ignores belief altogether as absent of real existance. A belief is only a form of energy (a very feeble one, usually) and has only a fleeting connection with reality (objective or perceived). And while most ardent skeptics are very existential, they ***do not ever*** fall into the trap of discounting anecdotal evidence. This of course means that a good skeptic cannot afford an atheistic viewpoint any more than a good skeptic can afford a perspective of fervent religious faith. This usually makes the true skeptic a highly successful, achieved, and qualified scientist. However, like most disciples of truth, finding a good practitioner can be extremely rare. http://www.skeptic.com Most people of spiritual concerns are deeply resentful of skepticism. This is quite sad, as I was personally taught to apply this very buddhistic idea first and foremost with the mental and emotional realm as a part of a healthy spiritual discipline. Equally, however, people neglect to remember that the end result of inquiry is either a demonstration of fact or a lack of conclusion. With most actual real spiritual pursuits, the act of inquiry will lead to a lack of conclusion... and yet, hopefully, the collection of useful data. A skeptic is ok with being left in doubt; a believer is usually NOT ok with that uncomfortable concept. However, there are times when skepticism has demonstrated beyond any possible doubt the reality of certain religious, spiritual and philisophical practices. I could list some of the spiritual greats of world history (few of which have come from the English speaking world) that embrace the art of Inquiry (need I neglect to mention the Indian sage who perfect the art of Self Inqiry from atma-vicara?)... but someone else already did a good job with historic figures for me: http://www.healthyskepticism.org/global/quotes/list/science/ I actually view your weak and unsubstantiated (not to mention not very well thought out) negativity against the idea of the skeptic as an attack which needs a few moments of reasonable defense. While the off topic list is the perfect place for such things to be discussed, I think that THIS list needs to remain very open to inquiry and questioning and doubt... for the benefit of the people who do not believe as you do. If you had stated that you are a Nazi and hate jews, you would have been banned from this list. However, it appears that other forms of prejudism are well tolerated. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June You put it directly, I said the same thing nicely. Basically, skeptics are 'dead energy', nothing moves either way, nothing happens. Jane MacRoss wrote: I have found skeptics to be basically fence sitters which means they are usually pains in the A*se whereas I walk a razor's edged path so it's my feet that are sore. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June ...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via the French version of Latin species, which originally meant kind, type, but later came to mean wares and then spice. Finally, the [p] and [k] traded places in Greek (metathesis), where we find skopein to see, like in some great words words telescope, microscope, and the new (slang) verb to scope out. Thus, the word skepticism literally can be translated to mean: To examine closely in an orderly manner. Nice word that. In my experience, 9-10 People who don't like
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
This isn't relevant at all, since I clearly state - I ENJOY inquiry and investigation, and encourage it. That's healthy, but that's not skepticism, which is not careful, rational, and intuitive study/investigation/exploration/trial, but an extreme of such to the point that outcomes are often ignored, or summarily discounted. Anything else is arguing over semantics, and you are welcome to do that.. With /yourself/. We already have a fine example of a skeptic in a previous email, let me quote it here; (and this is totally fine, it's a reality he is comfortable with, God bless him) /I don't even look anymore, If I hadn't seen anything in the past 75 years it is highly unlikely I would recognize it anyway. / Jason R Eaton wrote: Hi Bodhisattva: snip
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Science will eventually catch up with Spirit, but if it gets ahead of Spirit then we are in dire straits, and we are. Science, the intellect, is of no value without the Heart of Spirit. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Hi Bodhisattva: Your remarks are (and quite classically) very prejudicial. Skeptics are not armchair philosophers. They are scientists, with a varying degree of skill, that are quite active in world of inquiry. Granted, there are many people who don't understand the term and claim to be one, but this is universal with any belief system. The true skeptic ideology ignores belief altogether as absent of real existance. A belief is only a form of energy (a very feeble one, usually) and has only a fleeting connection with reality (objective or perceived). And while most ardent skeptics are very existential, they ***do not ever*** fall into the trap of discounting anecdotal evidence. This of course means that a good skeptic cannot afford an atheistic viewpoint any more than a good skeptic can afford a perspective of fervent religious faith. This usually makes the true skeptic a highly successful, achieved, and qualified scientist. However, like most disciples of truth, finding a good practitioner can be extremely rare. http://www.skeptic.com Most people of spiritual concerns are deeply resentful of skepticism. This is quite sad, as I was personally taught to apply this very buddhistic idea first and foremost with the mental and emotional realm as a part of a healthy spiritual discipline. Equally, however, people neglect to remember that the end result of inquiry is either a demonstration of fact or a lack of conclusion. With most actual real spiritual pursuits, the act of inquiry will lead to a lack of conclusion... and yet, hopefully, the collection of useful data. A skeptic is ok with being left in doubt; a believer is usually NOT ok with that uncomfortable concept. However, there are times when skepticism has demonstrated beyond any possible doubt the reality of certain religious, spiritual and philisophical practices. I could list some of the spiritual greats of world history (few of which have come from the English speaking world) that embrace the art of Inquiry (need I neglect to mention the Indian sage who perfect the art of Self Inqiry from atma-vicara?)... but someone else already did a good job with historic figures for me: http://www.healthyskepticism.org/global/quotes/list/science/ I actually view your weak and unsubstantiated (not to mention not very well thought out) negativity against the idea of the skeptic as an attack which needs a few moments of reasonable defense. While the off topic list is the perfect place for such things to be discussed, I think that THIS list needs to remain very open to inquiry and questioning and doubt... for the benefit of the people who do not believe as you do. If you had stated that you are a Nazi and hate jews, you would have been banned from this list. However, it appears that other forms of prejudism are well tolerated. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 3:06 PM Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June You put it directly, I said the same thing nicely. Basically, skeptics are 'dead energy', nothing moves either way, nothing happens. Jane MacRoss wrote: I have found skeptics to be basically fence sitters which means they are usually pains in the A*se whereas I walk a razor's edged path so it's my feet that are sore. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:35 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June ...wow, what great science. Let's thus toss out electromagnetism, abstractionism, aphorism Actually, the word skepticism is a very revealing word with an interesting history and word origin. The word ism actually means doctrine, system, manner, condition, at and characteristic. The history of the word skeptic started with philosophy of the Pyrrho of Elis, who fought dogmatism by showing reasons for doubting it, but which today is the position that absolute knowledge is impossible but that science can succeed with relative certainty. The word comes from the latin word scepticus and Greek skeptikos skeptic from skeptesthai to examine closely. This word comes from a the root, PIE *spek-/*spok- look, see (i.e. spectator, inspect, and even spice ). Spice via
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery? Alan On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.orgwrote: Hi Bodhisattva: Your remarks are (and quite classically) very prejudicial. Skeptics are not armchair philosophers. They are scientists, with a varying degree of skill, that are quite active in world of inquiry. Granted, there are many people who don't understand the term and claim to be one, but this is universal with any belief system. The true skeptic ideology ignores belief altogether as absent of real existance. A belief is only a form of energy (a very feeble one, usually) and has only a fleeting connection with reality (objective or perceived). And while most ardent skeptics are very existential, they ***do not ever*** fall into the trap of discounting anecdotal evidence. This of course means that a good skeptic cannot afford an atheistic viewpoint any more than a good skeptic can afford a perspective of fervent religious faith. This usually makes the true skeptic a highly successful, achieved, and qualified scientist. However, like most disciples of truth, finding a good practitioner can be extremely rare. http://www.skeptic.com Most people of spiritual concerns are deeply resentful of skepticism. This is quite sad, as I was personally taught to apply this very buddhistic idea first and foremost with the mental and emotional realm as a part of a healthy spiritual discipline. Equally, however, people neglect to remember that the end result of inquiry is either a demonstration of fact or a lack of conclusion. With most actual real spiritual pursuits, the act of inquiry will lead to a lack of conclusion... and yet, hopefully, the collection of useful data. A skeptic is ok with being left in doubt; a believer is usually NOT ok with that uncomfortable concept. However, there are times when skepticism has demonstrated beyond any possible doubt the reality of certain religious, spiritual and philisophical practices. I could list some of the spiritual greats of world history (few of which have come from the English speaking world) that embrace the art of Inquiry (need I neglect to mention the Indian sage who perfect the art of Self Inqiry from atma-vicara?)... but someone else already did a good job with historic figures for me: http://www.healthyskepticism.org/global/quotes/list/science/ I actually view your weak and unsubstantiated (not to mention not very well thought out) negativity against the idea of the skeptic as an attack which needs a few moments of reasonable defense. While the off topic list is the perfect place for such things to be discussed, I think that THIS list needs to remain very open to inquiry and questioning and doubt... for the benefit of the people who do not believe as you do. If you had stated that you are a Nazi and hate jews, you would have been banned from this list. However, it appears that other forms of prejudism are well tolerated. Best Regards, Jason -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
I'll answer, you are right, almost /*all */skeptic sites state colloidal silver is quackery. http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html *Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit* http://www.ntskeptics.org/2001/2001november/november2001.htm *Hi-Yo, Colloidal Silver!* http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2220 *However, if the Blue Man Group is looking for members, I know a potential source that will save on makeup costs.* http://scepticsbook.com/2010/02/02/snake-oil-salesman-gets-what-he-deserves/ *Precious metals nanowater? The panel is unimpressed. Is there insanity in there?* http://www.theskepticsguide.org/archive/podcastinfo.aspx?mid=1pid=114 *Colloidal Snake Oil * Alan Jones wrote: Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery? Alan
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
\Hi Alan: Not at all... Sites such as Quackwatch, et al. aren't run by skeptics, they are run by individuals posing as some sort of authority. A skeptic, by definition, would actually DO the science to see if the claims made by CS had any valid (many of us skeptics did exaclty just that... I've personally commissioned several scientific studies, as well as run test groups actually testing the effectiveness of CS for a basic data pool... ). If a skeptic was not in a position to do the science, the skeptic would work diligently examining any and all scientific data available. Best Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Alan Jones To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery? Alan On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org wrote: Hi Bodhisattva: Your remarks are (and quite classically) very prejudicial. Skeptics are not armchair philosophers. They are scientists, with a varying degree of skill, that are quite active in world of inquiry. Granted, there are many people who don't understand the term and claim to be one, but this is universal with any belief system. The true skeptic ideology ignores belief altogether as absent of real existance. A belief is only a form of energy (a very feeble one, usually) and has only a fleeting connection with reality (objective or perceived). And while most ardent skeptics are very existential, they ***do not ever*** fall into the trap of discounting anecdotal evidence. This of course means that a good skeptic cannot afford an atheistic viewpoint any more than a good skeptic can afford a perspective of fervent religious faith. This usually makes the true skeptic a highly successful, achieved, and qualified scientist. However, like most disciples of truth, finding a good practitioner can be extremely rare. http://www.skeptic.com Most people of spiritual concerns are deeply resentful of skepticism. This is quite sad, as I was personally taught to apply this very buddhistic idea first and foremost with the mental and emotional realm as a part of a healthy spiritual discipline. Equally, however, people neglect to remember that the end result of inquiry is either a demonstration of fact or a lack of conclusion. With most actual real spiritual pursuits, the act of inquiry will lead to a lack of conclusion... and yet, hopefully, the collection of useful data. A skeptic is ok with being left in doubt; a believer is usually NOT ok with that uncomfortable concept. However, there are times when skepticism has demonstrated beyond any possible doubt the reality of certain religious, spiritual and philisophical practices. I could list some of the spiritual greats of world history (few of which have come from the English speaking world) that embrace the art of Inquiry (need I neglect to mention the Indian sage who perfect the art of Self Inqiry from atma-vicara?)... but someone else already did a good job with historic figures for me: http://www.healthyskepticism.org/global/quotes/list/science/ I actually view your weak and unsubstantiated (not to mention not very well thought out) negativity against the idea of the skeptic as an attack which needs a few moments of reasonable defense. While the off topic list is the perfect place for such things to be discussed, I think that THIS list needs to remain very open to inquiry and questioning and doubt... for the benefit of the people who do not believe as you do. If you had stated that you are a Nazi and hate jews, you would have been banned from this list. However, it appears that other forms of prejudism are well tolerated. Best Regards, Jason -- Alan Jones The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Sometimes, rather than use the term Sceptic, I just substitute the word Dumb-ass. (Thanks Red.) Dan On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 3:08 PM, bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com wrote: Not an opinion, a fact. Skepticism itself is a 'doctrine', and a 'Skeptic' is a preacher of this doctrine/religion. Ism' is basically something taken too far, before one engages their logical, and intuitive mind to take a rational, healthy approach to something. The dictionary defines an 'ism' as an oppressive and especially discriminatory attitude or belief. Fundamentalism Islamicism Rationalism Skepticism Buddhism Hinduism Catholicism Evanglicalism All the same, just another oppressive doctrine. Like I said a good healthy, open mind, with an intuitive sense of wonder, and a logical sense of investigation is best termed 'normal'. Anything else, is probably considered to be some degree of insanity, or irrational overzealousness.. Prill beads, and this discussion I will continue on the off-topic list if it is warranted. Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote: Your opinion, not mine. dee On 21 Jun 2010, at 20:22, bodhisattva wrote: Open questioning is healthy, skepticism is another 'ism' and is therefore, harmful. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
[...run test groups actually testing the effectiveness of CS...]
-Perhaps you could you elaborate a little on the 'testing of effectiveness'?
In what form was that EIS/CS in? Was it a stabilised form {after standing for
a period of time}, or was it used immediately after cessation of production?
{when it's at it's highest ionic silver content}, or was it using a product
produced by some secret proprietary production method? {in which case one would
know the ion/particulate ratio content...among many other things}.
[...the skeptic would work diligently examining any and all scientific data
available.]
-This is about the only way of determining pretty much anything EIS/CS related
nowadays. The individual needs to make determinations for him/herself from
most of the literature and published material available.
N.
From: resea...@silvermedicine.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:31:17 -0700
\Hi Alan:
Not at all... Sites such as Quackwatch, et al. aren't run by skeptics, they
are run by individuals posing as some sort of authority.
A skeptic, by definition, would actually DO the science to see if the claims
made by CS had any valid (many of us skeptics did exaclty just that... I've
personally commissioned several scientific studies, as well as run test groups
actually testing the effectiveness of CS for a basic data pool... ). If a
skeptic was not in a position to do the science, the skeptic would work
diligently examining any and all scientific data available.
Best Regards,
Jason
- Original Message -
From: Alan Jones
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery?
Alan
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Jason R Eaton resea...@silvermedicine.org
wrote:
Hi Bodhisattva:
Your remarks are (and quite classically) very prejudicial. Skeptics are not
armchair philosophers. They are scientists, with a varying degree of skill,
that are quite active in world of inquiry. Granted, there are many people who
don't understand the term and claim to be one, but this is universal with any
belief system.
The true skeptic ideology ignores belief altogether as absent of real
existance. A belief is only a form of energy (a very feeble one, usually) and
has only a fleeting connection with reality (objective or perceived). And while
most ardent skeptics are very existential, they ***do not ever*** fall into the
trap of discounting anecdotal evidence. This of course means that a good
skeptic cannot afford an atheistic viewpoint any more than a good skeptic can
afford a perspective of fervent religious faith.
This usually makes the true skeptic a highly successful, achieved, and
qualified scientist. However, like most disciples of truth, finding a good
practitioner can be extremely rare.
http://www.skeptic.com
Most people of spiritual concerns are deeply resentful of skepticism. This is
quite sad, as I was personally taught to apply this very buddhistic idea first
and foremost with the mental and emotional realm as a part of a healthy
spiritual discipline. Equally, however, people neglect to remember that the
end result of inquiry is either a demonstration of fact or a lack of conclusion.
With most actual real spiritual pursuits, the act of inquiry will lead to a
lack of conclusion... and yet, hopefully, the collection of useful data. A
skeptic is ok with being left in doubt; a believer is usually NOT ok with that
uncomfortable concept. However, there are times when skepticism has
demonstrated beyond any possible doubt the reality of certain religious,
spiritual and philisophical practices.
I could list some of the spiritual greats of world history (few of which have
come from the English speaking world) that embrace the art of Inquiry (need I
neglect to mention the Indian sage who perfect the art of Self Inqiry from
atma-vicara?)... but someone else already did a good job with historic figures
for me:
http://www.healthyskepticism.org/global/quotes/list/science/
I actually view your weak and unsubstantiated (not to mention not very well
thought out) negativity against the idea of the skeptic as an attack which
needs a few moments of reasonable defense. While the off topic list is the
perfect place for such things to be discussed, I think that THIS list needs to
remain very open to inquiry and questioning and doubt... for the benefit of
the people who do not believe as you do.
If you had stated that you are a Nazi and hate jews, you would have been banned
from this list. However, it appears that other forms of prejudism are well
tolerated.
Best Regards,
Jason
--
Alan Jones
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
prohibited
Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
That's not skepticism, that's ignorance or stupidity, silver has been used for hundreds if not thousands of years for various health issues. Jane http://www.eamega.com/HighFieldHealth ~The Highest Field of Energy Healing you now!~ - Original Message - From: Alan Jones To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Skeptics was // Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Jason, don't most so-called skeptics dismiss colloidal silver as quackery? Alan
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Hi There to all, I purchased my Prill Beads from thewolfeclinic.com - now that I have them in hand - they are distributed by Life Enthusiast - so I have no way of telling whether these are the good ones or the bad ones. They are called Trans Derma Bath Prills - came in a 2 lb bag which is mesh packaged in a plastic bag. I did not put the entire mesh bag with the 2 lbs into a glass 1 gallon jar all at once - I opened the mesh bag and put about 1/3 of the beads into distilled water after washing them about five times under tap water - the water is clear, has a taste and is good to drink once it is placed in a smaller glass jug - closed - in the fridg - however, I have to say this far, I have had none of the intense reactions that others have had - with time I will be able to report more on this aspect. When I first opened the plastic bag I took my pendulum to check them, and it gave me a very intense positive reaction - I then asked both Bodhi Marshall to douse them and received the following readings : 550 ish 3-4 disharmonious freqs - I cleared them and then asked for another reading - I am still waiting for a reply from Bodhi who I know is very busy.Marshall's was firstly - can't find this reading in my files, however after I did my clearing thing, he gave me a reading of 925 - which I believe was higher than his first.I just had a glass to drink and used my pendulum on it before drinking it and got a positive response however not as intense as the first time I used it on them before putting them into the water or reducing the amount of beads, so maybe this has something to do with the reduced reaction by my pendulum. Will keep you all posted as my experience continues with time Regards to all Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
I have to say this far, I have had none of the intense reactions that others have had Hi Sandee, Keep in mind who's reporting the reaction... grin Bodhi is so clear and sensitive, the stuff knocked him for a loop. The most reaction I had was a strange set of nerve/muscle twinges up and down my right leg and up my back from the area of my right kidney. This happened just as I drank down my first glassful the second morning I'd been drinking the stuff. It was so sudden and intense my knee almost gave out. Apart from that, I just find the stuff pleasantly refreshing. grin Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Hi Sandee, Back on May 22nd Smitty said the Transderma Prills were made in the US, not in China. I don't know how he got the info. Tina --- On Sun, 6/20/10, Sandee George oha...@juno.com wrote: From: Sandee George oha...@juno.com Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 8:56 AM Hi There to all, I purchased my Prill Beads from thewolfeclinic.com - now that I have them in hand - they are distributed by Life Enthusiast - so I have no way of telling whether these are the good ones or the bad ones. They are called Trans Derma Bath Prills - came in a 2 lb bag which is mesh packaged in a plastic bag. I did not put the entire mesh bag with the 2 lbs into a glass 1 gallon jar all at once - I opened the mesh bag and put about 1/3 of the beads into distilled water after washing them about five times under tap water - the water is clear, has a taste and is good to drink once it is placed in a smaller glass jug - closed - in the fridg - however, I have to say this far, I have had none of the intense reactions that others have had - with time I will be able to report more on this aspect. When I first opened the plastic bag I took my pendulum to check them, and it gave me a very intense positive reaction - I then asked both Bodhi Marshall to douse them and received the following readings : 550 ish 3-4 disharmonious freqs - I cleared them and then asked for another reading - I am still waiting for a reply from Bodhi who I know is very busy. Marshall's was firstly - can't find this reading in my files, however after I did my clearing thing, he gave me a reading of 925 - which I believe was higher than his first. I just had a glass to drink and used my pendulum on it before drinking it and got a positive response however not as intense as the first time I used it on them before putting them into the water or reducing the amount of beads, so maybe this has something to do with the reduced reaction by my pendulum. Will keep you all posted as my experience continues with time Regards to all Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Sandee How about doing a comparison test with some well washed gravel from your driveway ,dowsing and all , and see if this Bodhi crap has any factual value or if it is just to en-richen someone? Dave Ps. I don't get any of Bodhi's posts accept when someone passes it on as I filtered them to my spam folder. Right at first he tried to make a bundle off of the gullible with a very commercial post so I gave him a straight line to spam. On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Sandee George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There to all, I purchased my Prill Beads from thewolfeclinic.com - now that I have them in hand - they are distributed by Life Enthusiast - so I have no way of telling whether these are the good ones or the bad ones. They are called Trans Derma Bath Prills - came in a 2 lb bag which is mesh packaged in a plastic bag. I did not put the entire mesh bag with the 2 lbs into a glass 1 gallon jar all at once - I opened the mesh bag and put about 1/3 of the beads into distilled water after washing them about five times under tap water - the water is clear, has a taste and is good to drink once it is placed in a smaller glass jug - closed - in the fridg - however, I have to say this far, I have had none of the intense reactions that others have had - with time I will be able to report more on this aspect. When I first opened the plastic bag I took my pendulum to check them, and it gave me a very intense positive reaction - I then asked both Bodhi Marshall to douse them and received the following readings : 550 ish 3-4 disharmonious freqs - I cleared them and then asked for another reading - I am still waiting for a reply from Bodhi who I know is very busy. Marshall's was firstly - can't find this reading in my files, however after I did my clearing thing, he gave me a reading of 925 - which I believe was higher than his first.I just had a glass to drink and used my pendulum on it before drinking it and got a positive response however not as intense as the first time I used it on them before putting them into the water or reducing the amount of beads, so maybe this has something to do with the reduced reaction by my pendulum. Will keep you all posted as my experience continues with time Regards to all Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Hiya folks, Dave D. wrote: Sandee How about doing a comparison test with some well washed gravel from your driveway ,dowsing and all , and see if this Bodhi crap has any factual value or if it is just to en-richen someone? Dave Please mind your language, Dave. Otherwise, it's a reasonable suggestion for an experiment, if Sandee or anyone is so inclined. Ps. I don't get any of Bodhi's posts accept when someone passes it on as I filtered them to my spam folder. Right at first he tried to make a bundle off of the gullible with a very commercial post so I gave him a straight line to spam. I don't filter messages before they go out, so when a new person joins, it may take a while to help them learn the ropes. In Bodhisattva's case, he has been among the more cooperative people I have ever had to give correction to, so I am generally satisfied with the suitability of his participation. As for the nature of his beliefs, though I admit they're more than a bit out there by most people's standards, there seems to be enough value to his input to consider it part of the spectrum of opinion. Especially on the main list, I expect all of our members with more far out beliefs to tone them down for general consumption, for the sake of new people who might be ready for colloidal silver but would be put off by anything more esoteric. Meanwhile, on the OT list, things run considerably further afield. grin Thank you, all, for keeping the group on track. I'm always available and looking for your input, so don't hesitate to contact me privately with your opinions on how things are going. Peace, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Hi There Dave thanks for yours, I appreciate your concern. I choose to go along with whatever, until I find out for myself that it is crap as you put it. Then I choose again. On Planet earth - where duality reigns supreme - and choice is free, we can all think, feel, or do anything we choose because the choice has reprocussions/actions both for me the chooser; those who choose to put whatever they feel out there knowing it to be crap then they will get their due. There is no right or wrong on this planet which is what most fail to understand, perception is everything, how I choose to see anything is my choice for which I have to take full responsibility, including the fallout. So taking what you have said, if I choose to be fooled by anyone then the responsibility rests on me, no one else. Within all of the above you apparently do not understand that what I choose to see is what I see, what I choose to work for me, will work - this is where spirit comes into all equations ! Which is why there is no one valid truth on Planet Earth, truth is what I choose to see, feel or deal with at my given time - however once again I thank you for your concern Be Blessed and have a wonderful day Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Does anyone know if it is possible to test for trace mineral content in a liquid or a powder taken from a mineral like rock? I have been wanting to test a powdered substance but do not want to have to take it to a lab. It would also be interesting to test the prill beads and the water that they have soaked in. I have some of the Trans Derma prill beads and the PH didn't chance until i soaked them for a least 8 hours after the initial 24 hour soak. Then i soaked them for 8 hours and the PH tested at 8.5. The water i used is from a local company called Alaska Pure Water, they use Reverse Osmosis and they told me their water is around 6.5 to 6.8 PH. I comfirmed this with my own PH test from a local Hydroponic grow shop. I would really like to know if it is possible to do my own Trace Mineral testing. Thanks in advance. Tina --- On Sun, 6/20/10, Christina Mattson tinamatt...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Christina Mattson tinamatt...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, June 20, 2010, 9:54 AM Hi Sandee, Back on May 22nd Smitty said the Transderma Prills were made in the US, not in China. I don't know how he got the info. Tina --- On Sun, 6/20/10, Sandee George oha...@juno.com wrote: From: Sandee George oha...@juno.com Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Thanks Tina - I missed that one - well that is good news then Have a great day Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Hi There to you Mike, HFD,. Yes I have taken what you have said here, into consideration and agree with you totally. This morning I had a very long and full discharge of pee, when I made my first pit stop, which surprised me, the smell of toxins was not evident, so maybe what was going on for me was a washing out of my kidneys as well, who knows !??? Agreed I like the taste, am enjoying the trial period before making up my mind for myself as to what I will do or not do in the future LOLI love giving everything a try as long as it appeals to me and my own madness Now no comments on that one please smile Take good care and have a wonderful day Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
You are right up to a point. My concern is that people on this list may take up on something outlandish and miss out or delay using a factual protocol that could do them a world of good if not save their lives. Whenever this kind of thing shows up it aggravates me to no end ( holy water is ordinary tap water) (blessing before killing doesn't make it less dead) All the other mystic stuff, too numerous to quantify is what I called CRAP. You are right that it is all Perception, that is what gives us the placebo effect. But it seldom ever continues to help over a period of time. Dave \ On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Sandee George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There Dave thanks for yours, I appreciate your concern. I choose to go along with whatever, until I find out for myself that it is crap as you put it. Then I choose again. On Planet earth - where duality reigns supreme - and choice is free, we can all think, feel, or do anything we choose because the choice has reprocussions/actions both for me the chooser; those who choose to put whatever they feel out there knowing it to be crap then they will get their due. There is no right or wrong on this planet which is what most fail to understand, perception is everything, how I choose to see anything is my choice for which I have to take full responsibility, including the fallout. So taking what you have said, if I choose to be fooled by anyone then the responsibility rests on me, no one else. Within all of the above you apparently do not understand that what I choose to see is what I see, what I choose to work for me, will work - this is where spirit comes into all equations ! Which is why there is no one valid truth on Planet Earth, truth is what I choose to see, feel or deal with at my given time - however once again I thank you for your concern Be Blessed and have a wonderful day Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Prill Water is aggressive. From this it sounds like an energy channel was pushed open, and you felt it. That's a good think, your kidney probably flushed some toxins pretty quickly. So far, about 90% of the people I have tested prill water on have a reaction of some type or another. Some of them are huge skeptics, which tends to reinforce that this water is quite noticeable. I've spoken with Blind Guru himself, in great detail, we share */many/* similar experiences with prill water. In fact, he has seen people detox so rapidly, that he recommends they stop drinking it until it settles down, then go back, and very slowly build up. So once again, a primary vendor of prill beads, and a guru, has similar results as I have had. I've also spoken with Guru on how the energy is being a bit soiled in postage, and methods they can implement to avoid this. He's working on a solution to this, and has verified my findings. That's all pretty affirmative if I must say. I'm pretty cognivcent of my credibility, which is why I test and study things from both a material, and spiritual perspective before making any claims, and usually test them for months, even years before making any proclamations. Orgonite was something I constructed and tested for several years before deciding it had extremely positive benefits, and selling it. Negative Ionizers I have tested for just over a year, and know their benefits first hand. Prill Water is new, I won't be heavily advocating it until a few more months, although early results are encouraging. M. G. Devour wrote: I have to say this far, I have had none of the intense reactions that others have had Hi Sandee, Keep in mind who's reporting the reaction... grin Bodhi is so clear and sensitive, the stuff knocked him for a loop. The most reaction I had was a strange set of nerve/muscle twinges up and down my right leg and up my back from the area of my right kidney. This happened just as I drank down my first glassful the second morning I'd been drinking the stuff. It was so sudden and intense my knee almost gave out. Apart from that, I just find the stuff pleasantly refreshing. grin
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Those that wish to experience limitation, will experience it. Those that wish to experience the miraculous, will experience that. Someone operating from a materialistic approach, will see everything, and everyone around them as materialistic, and thus, conforming to their beliefs. Someone seeing life from a magical perspective, sees the materialism in some people, and the magical in others. Someone from the miraculous, sees all three of these, all around them, depending on who they are dealing with. It has to be this way, so each person can experience based on their spiritual evolution, their consciousness. When one is ready for the miraculous, it will be revealed to them, but not before. It usually takes great suffering before someone operating from an egotistical, materialistic viewpoint of life will seek the miraculous, but it doesn't have to be this difficult. Thankfully, we've got a way to quantify many things now, and when others quantify with the same results, without knowing other individuals answers, then we have a fairly good substantiation of the previously unquantifiable. So for example, if I take a bottle water, and ask 3 people to calibrate it, and they are located in different parts of the world, and their numbers are exactly the same, or extremely close, then we can best assume this situation is accurate. Fortunately, Marshall (and many others) have been able to verify my calibrations, so we don't really have a basis to 'doubt' at this point - regardless of attempts to instill that in us.. I have nothing I need to sell, or in fact worried about selling.. Most of what I do is free. God takes care of the rest, and thank God for that! My energy is sometimes too much for some, and I can appreciate that.. Some places, I will sit down, and a few minutes later some will get up and leave to sit elsewhere - and it's not my perfume.. I will enter a space, make it sacred, and some will flee to the door. My home is sacred, and I know many that will not enter it, similar to how many will not enter a church, a temple, or a monastery.. Some aren't ready for an awakening, and there is no problem with that. The fruit falls from the tree when it is ripe, not sooner. I have relatives that rarely speak to me in person, I send love, and compassion, they sound darkness, and anger. My vibration trumps theirs, they move off with angry looks, when you do not allow darkness to overrun you some become uncomfortable in their inability to draw energy from situations by creating chaos. I don't allow this to impede on me, they either rise up, or shuffle away. I don't dislike them for it, I just feel for their suffering and pain, and the trauma of them finding no answers in drugs and other things. The same goes for email. I've learned a long time ago to withdraw my energy from where is not appreciated. You can always sort of tell a type of person, if in a conversation, GOD is mentioned, and they have this sort of 'horrified' or 'deflated balloon' look about them, you kind of know. I love saying May God Bless You when someone sneezes. I know Christians that say Gosh Bless you, it's quite astounding that they themselves, are afraid to say God in public.. How far we've fallen as a society is shocking - at times. On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Sandee George oha...@juno.com mailto:oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There Dave thanks for yours, I appreciate your concern. I choose to go along with whatever, until I find out for myself that it is crap as you put it. Then I choose again. On Planet earth - where duality reigns supreme - and choice is free, we can all think, feel, or do anything we choose because the choice has reprocussions/actions both for me the chooser; those who choose to put whatever they feel out there knowing it to be crap then they will get their due. There is no right or wrong on this planet which is what most fail to understand, perception is everything, how I choose to see anything is my choice for which I have to take full responsibility, including the fallout. So taking what you have said, if I choose to be fooled by anyone then the responsibility rests on me, no one else. Within all of the above you apparently do not understand that what I choose to see is what I see, what I choose to work for me, will work - this is where spirit comes into all equations ! Which is why there is no one valid truth on Planet Earth, truth is what I choose to see, feel or deal with at my given time - however once again I thank you for your concern Be Blessed and have a wonderful day Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives:
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
I've been around Christians all my life and I have never heard one of them say Gosh Bless you. I don't know where you get your information from but this isn't accurate from my experience. PT - Original Message - From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 6:00 PM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Those that wish to experience limitation, will experience it. Those that wish to experience the miraculous, will experience that. Someone operating from a materialistic approach, will see everything, and everyone around them as materialistic, and thus, conforming to their beliefs. Someone seeing life from a magical perspective, sees the materialism in some people, and the magical in others. Someone from the miraculous, sees all three of these, all around them, depending on who they are dealing with. It has to be this way, so each person can experience based on their spiritual evolution, their consciousness. When one is ready for the miraculous, it will be revealed to them, but not before. It usually takes great suffering before someone operating from an egotistical, materialistic viewpoint of life will seek the miraculous, but it doesn't have to be this difficult. Thankfully, we've got a way to quantify many things now, and when others quantify with the same results, without knowing other individuals answers, then we have a fairly good substantiation of the previously unquantifiable. So for example, if I take a bottle water, and ask 3 people to calibrate it, and they are located in different parts of the world, and their numbers are exactly the same, or extremely close, then we can best assume this situation is accurate. Fortunately, Marshall (and many others) have been able to verify my calibrations, so we don't really have a basis to 'doubt' at this point - regardless of attempts to instill that in us.. I have nothing I need to sell, or in fact worried about selling.. Most of what I do is free. God takes care of the rest, and thank God for that! My energy is sometimes too much for some, and I can appreciate that.. Some places, I will sit down, and a few minutes later some will get up and leave to sit elsewhere - and it's not my perfume.. I will enter a space, make it sacred, and some will flee to the door. My home is sacred, and I know many that will not enter it, similar to how many will not enter a church, a temple, or a monastery.. Some aren't ready for an awakening, and there is no problem with that. The fruit falls from the tree when it is ripe, not sooner. I have relatives that rarely speak to me in person, I send love, and compassion, they sound darkness, and anger. My vibration trumps theirs, they move off with angry looks, when you do not allow darkness to overrun you some become uncomfortable in their inability to draw energy from situations by creating chaos. I don't allow this to impede on me, they either rise up, or shuffle away. I don't dislike them for it, I just feel for their suffering and pain, and the trauma of them finding no answers in drugs and other things. The same goes for email. I've learned a long time ago to withdraw my energy from where is not appreciated. You can always sort of tell a type of person, if in a conversation, GOD is mentioned, and they have this sort of 'horrified' or 'deflated balloon' look about them, you kind of know. I love saying May God Bless You when someone sneezes. I know Christians that say Gosh Bless you, it's quite astounding that they themselves, are afraid to say God in public.. How far we've fallen as a society is shocking - at times. On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Sandee George oha...@juno.com mailto:oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There Dave thanks for yours, I appreciate your concern. I choose to go along with whatever, until I find out for myself that it is crap as you put it. Then I choose again. On Planet earth - where duality reigns supreme - and choice is free, we can all think, feel, or do anything we choose because the choice has reprocussions/actions both for me the chooser; those who choose to put whatever they feel out there knowing it to be crap then they will get their due. There is no right or wrong on this planet which is what most fail to understand, perception is everything, how I choose to see anything is my choice for which I have to take full responsibility, including the fallout. So taking what you have said, if I choose to be fooled by anyone then the responsibility rests on me, no one else. Within all of the above you apparently do not understand that what I choose to see is what I see, what I choose to work for me, will work - this is where spirit comes into all equations ! Which is why there is no one valid truth on Planet Earth, truth is what I choose to see, feel or deal with at my
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
My information? How about my ears! I hear Thank Gosh or Gosh Bless you or Thank Goodness (or any range of these) consistently, everyday, from Christians. But then I also see a lot of them subscribe to the deception of Do nothing, your deeds won't earn you heaven, just wait for Christ!.. That one tops them all, for sure. The bad guys really love it when people do nothing, surely do! If you wonder why things can be so bad these days, now you know. One good person, with good intent, can change a whole lot of what is happening around them, I can prove it. If you wish to discuss this more, and why I think it is important for anyone that wants to be a true Christian to wake the heck up and start doing something. Feel free to join me on the off topic list. Thanks. See you there. (hopefully) needling around wrote: I've been around Christians all my life and I have never heard one of them say Gosh Bless you. I don't know where you get your information from but this isn't accurate from my experience. PT - Original Message - From: bodhisattva bodhisat...@mutemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 6:00 PM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Those that wish to experience limitation, will experience it. Those that wish to experience the miraculous, will experience that. Someone operating from a materialistic approach, will see everything, and everyone around them as materialistic, and thus, conforming to their beliefs. Someone seeing life from a magical perspective, sees the materialism in some people, and the magical in others. Someone from the miraculous, sees all three of these, all around them, depending on who they are dealing with. It has to be this way, so each person can experience based on their spiritual evolution, their consciousness. When one is ready for the miraculous, it will be revealed to them, but not before. It usually takes great suffering before someone operating from an egotistical, materialistic viewpoint of life will seek the miraculous, but it doesn't have to be this difficult. Thankfully, we've got a way to quantify many things now, and when others quantify with the same results, without knowing other individuals answers, then we have a fairly good substantiation of the previously unquantifiable. So for example, if I take a bottle water, and ask 3 people to calibrate it, and they are located in different parts of the world, and their numbers are exactly the same, or extremely close, then we can best assume this situation is accurate. Fortunately, Marshall (and many others) have been able to verify my calibrations, so we don't really have a basis to 'doubt' at this point - regardless of attempts to instill that in us.. I have nothing I need to sell, or in fact worried about selling.. Most of what I do is free. God takes care of the rest, and thank God for that! My energy is sometimes too much for some, and I can appreciate that.. Some places, I will sit down, and a few minutes later some will get up and leave to sit elsewhere - and it's not my perfume.. I will enter a space, make it sacred, and some will flee to the door. My home is sacred, and I know many that will not enter it, similar to how many will not enter a church, a temple, or a monastery.. Some aren't ready for an awakening, and there is no problem with that. The fruit falls from the tree when it is ripe, not sooner. I have relatives that rarely speak to me in person, I send love, and compassion, they sound darkness, and anger. My vibration trumps theirs, they move off with angry looks, when you do not allow darkness to overrun you some become uncomfortable in their inability to draw energy from situations by creating chaos. I don't allow this to impede on me, they either rise up, or shuffle away. I don't dislike them for it, I just feel for their suffering and pain, and the trauma of them finding no answers in drugs and other things. The same goes for email. I've learned a long time ago to withdraw my energy from where is not appreciated. You can always sort of tell a type of person, if in a conversation, GOD is mentioned, and they have this sort of 'horrified' or 'deflated balloon' look about them, you kind of know. I love saying May God Bless You when someone sneezes. I know Christians that say Gosh Bless you, it's quite astounding that they themselves, are afraid to say God in public.. How far we've fallen as a society is shocking - at times. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Bodhi answers PT: If you wish to discuss this more ... Feel free to join me on the off topic list. Thanks. See you there. (hopefully) Exactly the best place to go further into the topic, the OT list. We'll continue to steer clear of Religion, Politics and other frequently divisive subjects on the main list, please. Please don't reply to this aspect of the thread any further. Don't reply if anybody else does before they read this message. Thanks again, gents. Peace, Mike Devour wearing his list-owner hat... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
Sandee, I hope you are letting the Prill beads soak in the water for at least 24 hours before drinking it. If not, you aren't getting the benefits of them. Bob - Original Message - From: Sandee George oha...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:56 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Hi There to all, I purchased my Prill Beads from thewolfeclinic.com - now that I have them in hand - they are distributed by Life Enthusiast - so I have no way of telling whether these are the good ones or the bad ones. They are called Trans Derma Bath Prills - came in a 2 lb bag which is mesh packaged in a plastic bag. I did not put the entire mesh bag with the 2 lbs into a glass 1 gallon jar all at once - I opened the mesh bag and put about 1/3 of the beads into distilled water after washing them about five times under tap water - the water is clear, has a taste and is good to drink once it is placed in a smaller glass jug - closed - in the fridg - however, I have to say this far, I have had none of the intense reactions that others have had - with time I will be able to report more on this aspect. When I first opened the plastic bag I took my pendulum to check them, and it gave me a very intense positive reaction - I then asked both Bodhi Marshall to douse them and received the following readings : 550 ish 3-4 disharmonious freqs - I cleared them and then asked for another reading - I am still waiting for a reply from Bodhi who I know is very busy. Marshall's was firstly - can't find this reading in my files, however after I did my clearing thing, he gave me a reading of 925 - which I believe was higher than his first.I just had a glass to drink and used my pendulum on it before drinking it and got a positive response however not as intense as the first time I used it on them before putting them into the water or reducing the amount of beads, so maybe this has something to do with the reduced reaction by my pendulum. Will keep you all posted as my experience continues with time Regards to all Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June
I agree, we had to add another half gallon Mason Jar of them because we went through 1 gallon so fast, not enough time to recharge them, the benefits not fully realized. Hopefully we're getting more benefit now that they seem to be charing longer. 10 hours at least and they 'start' to get good, but ideally, 24 hours as Bob says. Bob Banever wrote: Sandee, I hope you are letting the Prill beads soak in the water for at least 24 hours before drinking it. If not, you aren't getting the benefits of them. Bob - Original Message - From: Sandee George oha...@juno.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2010 9:56 AM Subject: Re: CSMagnesium Oxide Prill Beads - 20 June Hi There to all, I purchased my Prill Beads from thewolfeclinic.com - now that I have them in hand - they are distributed by Life Enthusiast - so I have no way of telling whether these are the good ones or the bad ones. They are called Trans Derma Bath Prills - came in a 2 lb bag which is mesh packaged in a plastic bag. I did not put the entire mesh bag with the 2 lbs into a glass 1 gallon jar all at once - I opened the mesh bag and put about 1/3 of the beads into distilled water after washing them about five times under tap water - the water is clear, has a taste and is good to drink once it is placed in a smaller glass jug - closed - in the fridg - however, I have to say this far, I have had none of the intense reactions that others have had - with time I will be able to report more on this aspect. When I first opened the plastic bag I took my pendulum to check them, and it gave me a very intense positive reaction - I then asked both Bodhi Marshall to douse them and received the following readings : 550 ish 3-4 disharmonious freqs - I cleared them and then asked for another reading - I am still waiting for a reply from Bodhi who I know is very busy. Marshall's was firstly - can't find this reading in my files, however after I did my clearing thing, he gave me a reading of 925 - which I believe was higher than his first.I just had a glass to drink and used my pendulum on it before drinking it and got a positive response however not as intense as the first time I used it on them before putting them into the water or reducing the amount of beads, so maybe this has something to do with the reduced reaction by my pendulum. Will keep you all posted as my experience continues with time Regards to all Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
