Re: CSProbiotics
- From: Gayla Roberts [mailto:aera...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:30 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSProbiotics Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics?
CSProbiotics
Re: CSProbioticsHi Steve: I'm always playing around with various probies. Sometimes, one must consider how powerful of a porbiotic formula one actsually needs. I'm NOT an expert on the topic, but I do emmensely enjoy the research. Dr. Mercola's probiotics, which contain ten strains, are desigend to survive the digestive tract. These are just your run-of-the-mill probiotics, and a touch pricey, but at least one knows the job will get done. The first of the big guns I play with are HSO's, homeostatic soil organisms, offered by Garden Life under the brand name Primal Defense. These are very controversial little creatures have no problems surviving through the digestive system. These types of organisms have come under fire primarily due to modern science's inability to predict the long term effects of HSO's. However, before disregarding them as potentially profound healing agents, the small scale studies done should be carefully considered. http://www.crohns-disease-probiotics.com/HSOs.html http://miracleii-4u.com/hsos-clinical-studies.htm But my personal favorite probies I make myself, from Effective Microorgansims. THe EM master culture, from Japan, is quite affordable, and is a blend of microorganisms designed as a support system to keep one type of very special microorganism alive: Two strains of photosynthetic bacteria, Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm These amazing little creatures (if you can call them that) don't often appear at the Earth's surface anymore... Not since the Earth's atomosphere began containing oxygen. Every last researcher that I've corresponded with has been nothing short of amazed at the various applications of EM and A-EM. Ongoing research continues: http://emrojapan.com/ ...however, very little has been published in English about the health and healing potential of using EM-based supplements as probiotics. That said, in the worst case scenarios with people I correspond with, when their chronic digestive conditions (and we're talking hospitalization level conditions) respond to nothing else, a combination of EM therapy and clay therapy has, at the very least, stabilized even the most serious cases of IBS, Crohns, and other non- or mis-diagnosed conditions of the lower intestines. Whatever probiotic one chooses, it takes about four weeks to see how they will compete with whatever else is in the colon. When the state of the colon is returned to normal, an individual will always effortlessly go to the bathroom once for every major meal eaten the day prior. So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your supplementation. I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I don't see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious digestive disorders. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - -- From: Gayla Roberts [mailto:aera...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:30 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSProbiotics Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics?
Re: CSProbiotics
Re: CSProbioticsFor most of her life, my wife has been battling IBS. I always believed that a probiotic should solve the problem. We tried many (including the HSO). Nothing worked. Then we tried VSL#3. IBS gone within about two months on one packet per day. Now she gets it by prescription so that our drug coverage will defray the considerable cost. We think eventually she will be able to stop taking it and still remain stable. If you order it, make sure to order from the company itself so that it will be shipped with ice packs. VSL#3 should always be refrigerated. Del - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:04 AM Subject: CSProbiotics Hi Steve: I'm always playing around with various probies. Sometimes, one must consider how powerful of a porbiotic formula one actsually needs. I'm NOT an expert on the topic, but I do emmensely enjoy the research. Dr. Mercola's probiotics, which contain ten strains, are desigend to survive the digestive tract. These are just your run-of-the-mill probiotics, and a touch pricey, but at least one knows the job will get done. The first of the big guns I play with are HSO's, homeostatic soil organisms, offered by Garden Life under the brand name Primal Defense. These are very controversial little creatures have no problems surviving through the digestive system. These types of organisms have come under fire primarily due to modern science's inability to predict the long term effects of HSO's. However, before disregarding them as potentially profound healing agents, the small scale studies done should be carefully considered. http://www.crohns-disease-probiotics.com/HSOs.html http://miracleii-4u.com/hsos-clinical-studies.htm But my personal favorite probies I make myself, from Effective Microorgansims. THe EM master culture, from Japan, is quite affordable, and is a blend of microorganisms designed as a support system to keep one type of very special microorganism alive: Two strains of photosynthetic bacteria, Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm These amazing little creatures (if you can call them that) don't often appear at the Earth's surface anymore... Not since the Earth's atomosphere began containing oxygen. Every last researcher that I've corresponded with has been nothing short of amazed at the various applications of EM and A-EM. Ongoing research continues: http://emrojapan.com/ ...however, very little has been published in English about the health and healing potential of using EM-based supplements as probiotics. That said, in the worst case scenarios with people I correspond with, when their chronic digestive conditions (and we're talking hospitalization level conditions) respond to nothing else, a combination of EM therapy and clay therapy has, at the very least, stabilized even the most serious cases of IBS, Crohns, and other non- or mis-diagnosed conditions of the lower intestines. Whatever probiotic one chooses, it takes about four weeks to see how they will compete with whatever else is in the colon. When the state of the colon is returned to normal, an individual will always effortlessly go to the bathroom once for every major meal eaten the day prior. So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your supplementation. I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I don't see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious digestive disorders. Kind Regards, Jason
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I calculated Dr. Mercolas as being one of the best price per billion organisms on the market. I started his brand recently, and it has improved by bowels after switching from Ayush brand which I was on. I take lots of antibiotics. ~David On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Del d...@altsystem.com wrote: For most of her life, my wife has been battling IBS. I always believed that a probiotic should solve the problem. We tried many (including the HSO). Nothing worked. Then we tried VSL#3. IBS gone within about two months on one packet per day. Now she gets it by prescription so that our drug coverage will defray the considerable cost. We think eventually she will be able to stop taking it and still remain stable. If you order it, make sure to order from the company itself so that it will be shipped with ice packs. VSL#3 should always be refrigerated. Del - Original Message - *From:* Jason R Eaton ja...@eytonsearth.org *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:04 AM *Subject:* CSProbiotics Hi Steve: I'm always playing around with various probies. Sometimes, one must consider how powerful of a porbiotic formula one actsually needs. I'm NOT an expert on the topic, but I do emmensely enjoy the research. Dr. Mercola's probiotics, which contain ten strains, are desigend to survive the digestive tract. These are just your run-of-the-mill probiotics, and a touch pricey, but at least one knows the job will get done. The first of the big guns I play with are HSO's, homeostatic soil organisms, offered by Garden Life under the brand name Primal Defense. These are very controversial little creatures have no problems surviving through the digestive system. These types of organisms have come under fire primarily due to modern science's inability to predict the long term effects of HSO's. However, before disregarding them as potentially profound healing agents, the small scale studies done should be carefully considered. http://www.crohns-disease-probiotics.com/HSOs.html http://miracleii-4u.com/hsos-clinical-studies.htm But my personal favorite probies I make myself, from Effective Microorgansims. THe EM master culture, from Japan, is quite affordable, and is a blend of microorganisms designed as a support system to keep one type of very special microorganism alive: Two strains of photosynthetic bacteria, Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm These amazing little creatures (if you can call them that) don't often appear at the Earth's surface anymore... Not since the Earth's atomosphere began containing oxygen. Every last researcher that I've corresponded with has been nothing short of amazed at the various applications of EM and A-EM. Ongoing research continues: http://emrojapan.com/ ...however, very little has been published in English about the health and healing potential of using EM-based supplements as probiotics. That said, in the worst case scenarios with people I correspond with, when their chronic digestive conditions (and we're talking hospitalization level conditions) respond to nothing else, a combination of EM therapy and clay therapy has, at the very least, stabilized even the most serious cases of IBS, Crohns, and other non- or mis-diagnosed conditions of the lower intestines. Whatever probiotic one chooses, it takes about four weeks to see how they will compete with whatever else is in the colon. When the state of the colon is returned to normal, an individual will always effortlessly go to the bathroom once for every major meal eaten the day prior. So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your supplementation. I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I don't see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious digestive disorders. Kind Regards, Jason
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Del, What company would that be? Thanks. PT From: Del d...@altsystem.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 2:38:11 PM Subject: Re: CSProbiotics For most of her life, my wife has been battling IBS. I always believed that a probiotic should solve the problem. We tried many (including the HSO). Nothing worked. Then we tried VSL#3. IBS gone within about two months on one packet per day. Now she gets it by prescription so that our drug coverage will defray the considerable cost. We think eventually she will be able to stop taking it and still remain stable. If you order it, make sure to order from the company itself so that it will be shipped with ice packs. VSL#3 should always be refrigerated. Del - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:04 AM Subject: CSProbiotics Hi Steve: I'm always playing around with various probies. Sometimes, one must consider how powerful of a porbiotic formula one actsually needs. I'm NOT an expert on the topic, but I do emmensely enjoy the research. Dr. Mercola's probiotics, which contain ten strains, are desigend to survive the digestive tract. These are just your run-of-the-mill probiotics, and a touch pricey, but at least one knows the job will get done. The first of the big guns I play with are HSO's, homeostatic soil organisms, offered by Garden Life under the brand name Primal Defense. These are very controversial little creatures have no problems surviving through the digestive system. These types of organisms have come under fire primarily due to modern science's inability to predict the long term effects of HSO's. However, before disregarding them as potentially profound healing agents, the small scale studies done should be carefully considered. http://www.crohns-disease-probiotics.com/HSOs.html http://miracleii-4u.com/hsos-clinical-studies.htm But my personal favorite probies I make myself, from Effective Microorgansims. THe EM master culture, from Japan, is quite affordable, and is a blend of microorganisms designed as a support system to keep one type of very special microorganism alive: Two strains of photosynthetic bacteria, Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm These amazing little creatures (if you can call them that) don't often appear at the Earth's surface anymore... Not since the Earth's atomosphere began containing oxygen. Every last researcher that I've corresponded with has been nothing short of amazed at the various applications of EM and A-EM. Ongoing research continues: http://emrojapan.com/ ...however, very little has been published in English about the health and healing potential of using EM-based supplements as probiotics. That said, in the worst case scenarios with people I correspond with, when their chronic digestive conditions (and we're talking hospitalization level conditions) respond to nothing else, a combination of EM therapy and clay therapy has, at the very least, stabilized even the most serious cases of IBS, Crohns, and other non- or mis-diagnosed conditions of the lower intestines. Whatever probiotic one chooses, it takes about four weeks to see how they will compete with whatever else is in the colon. When the state of the colon is returned to normal, an individual will always effortlessly go to the bathroom once for every major meal eaten the day prior. So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your supplementation. I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I don't see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious digestive disorders. Kind Regards, Jason
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Company website: http://www.vsl3.com/ Del - Original Message - From: PT Ferrance To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 4:34 PM Subject: Re: CSProbiotics Del, What company would that be? Thanks. PT -- From: Del d...@altsystem.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, March 15, 2011 2:38:11 PM Subject: Re: CSProbiotics For most of her life, my wife has been battling IBS. I always believed that a probiotic should solve the problem. We tried many (including the HSO). Nothing worked. Then we tried VSL#3. IBS gone within about two months on one packet per day. Now she gets it by prescription so that our drug coverage will defray the considerable cost. We think eventually she will be able to stop taking it and still remain stable. If you order it, make sure to order from the company itself so that it will be shipped with ice packs. VSL#3 should always be refrigerated. Del - Original Message - From: Jason R Eaton To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:04 AM Subject: CSProbiotics Hi Steve: I'm always playing around with various probies. Sometimes, one must consider how powerful of a porbiotic formula one actsually needs. I'm NOT an expert on the topic, but I do emmensely enjoy the research. Dr. Mercola's probiotics, which contain ten strains, are desigend to survive the digestive tract. These are just your run-of-the-mill probiotics, and a touch pricey, but at least one knows the job will get done. The first of the big guns I play with are HSO's, homeostatic soil organisms, offered by Garden Life under the brand name Primal Defense. These are very controversial little creatures have no problems surviving through the digestive system. These types of organisms have come under fire primarily due to modern science's inability to predict the long term effects of HSO's. However, before disregarding them as potentially profound healing agents, the small scale studies done should be carefully considered. http://www.crohns-disease-probiotics.com/HSOs.html http://miracleii-4u.com/hsos-clinical-studies.htm But my personal favorite probies I make myself, from Effective Microorgansims. THe EM master culture, from Japan, is quite affordable, and is a blend of microorganisms designed as a support system to keep one type of very special microorganism alive: Two strains of photosynthetic bacteria, Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm These amazing little creatures (if you can call them that) don't often appear at the Earth's surface anymore... Not since the Earth's atomosphere began containing oxygen. Every last researcher that I've corresponded with has been nothing short of amazed at the various applications of EM and A-EM. Ongoing research continues: http://emrojapan.com/ ...however, very little has been published in English about the health and healing potential of using EM-based supplements as probiotics. That said, in the worst case scenarios with people I correspond with, when their chronic digestive conditions (and we're talking hospitalization level conditions) respond to nothing else, a combination of EM therapy and clay therapy has, at the very least, stabilized even the most serious cases of IBS, Crohns, and other non- or mis-diagnosed conditions of the lower intestines. Whatever probiotic one chooses, it takes about four weeks to see how they will compete with whatever else is in the colon. When the state of the colon is returned to normal, an individual will always effortlessly go to the bathroom once for every major meal eaten the day prior. So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your supplementation. I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I don't see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious digestive disorders. Kind Regards, Jason
RE: CSProbiotics
Thank you for the responses. Kefir and like products are immediately acted upon in the stomach and the friendly bacteria is acted upon by the gastric juices, acids, etc. How much of the friendly bacteria actually makes it to the intestines where it is most needed? That is why I mentioned I would like a delivery system with a timed release feature so the probiotic would be released primarily in the intestines, not the stomach. --Steve Y. _ From: Gayla Roberts [mailto:aera...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:30 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSProbiotics Kefir and kombucha. Or any traditional fermented foods. Gayla - Original Message - From: Sara Mandal-Joy smjl...@wavewls.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:40 PM Subject: Re: CSProbiotics I make my own kefir. Can't do better than that, from my perception. Sara On 3/12/2011 3:30 PM, SJY wrote: Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics? Specifically, brands that have at least 10 strains of friendly bacteria with a strength of at least 10 billion bacteria, and time released so they make it to the intestines without being destroyed in the stomach. Decent shelf life (stabilized) also. For example OurHealthCo-op Probiotics 16. Thanks, Steve Y.
CSProbiotics
Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics? Specifically, brands that have at least 10 strains of friendly bacteria with a strength of at least 10 billion bacteria, and time released so they make it to the intestines without being destroyed in the stomach. Decent shelf life (stabilized) also. For example OurHealthCo-op Probiotics 16. Thanks, Steve Y.
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I make my own kefir. Can't do better than that, from my perception. Sara On 3/12/2011 3:30 PM, SJY wrote: Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics? Specifically, brands that have at least 10 strains of friendly bacteria with a strength of at least 10 billion bacteria, and time released so they make it to the intestines without being destroyed in the stomach. Decent shelf life (stabilized) also. For example OurHealthCo-op Probiotics 16. Thanks, Steve Y. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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You seem to be recommending a product, so why are you asking, or is this a way of promoting this product? I'm confused. Home-made Kefir has 57 strains of friendly bacteria. It's easy to make and very cheap, and can be taken throughout the day. Has made a tremendous difference for me, and for my husband who just had to take a course of abx for a dental issue. Be well, Léna On Mar 12, 2011, at 4:30 PM, SJY wrote: Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics? Specifically, brands that have at least 10 strains of friendly bacteria with a strength of at least 10 billion bacteria, and time released so they make it to the intestines without being destroyed in the stomach. Decent shelf life (stabilized) also. For example OurHealthCo-op Probiotics 16. Thanks, Steve Y.
Re: CSProbiotics
Kefir and kombucha. Or any traditional fermented foods. Gayla - Original Message - From: Sara Mandal-Joy smjl...@wavewls.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:40 PM Subject: Re: CSProbiotics I make my own kefir. Can't do better than that, from my perception. Sara On 3/12/2011 3:30 PM, SJY wrote: Anyone have experience and recommendations for probiotics? Specifically, brands that have at least 10 strains of friendly bacteria with a strength of at least 10 billion bacteria, and time released so they make it to the intestines without being destroyed in the stomach. Decent shelf life (stabilized) also. For example OurHealthCo-op Probiotics 16. Thanks, Steve Y. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSprobiotics
A Medisana nebulizer is a great asset Larry. I don't have the health problems you do, but if a cold is in the air, it tends to 'go to my chest' so to speak, which in the past necessitated ABX's (horror, upon horror!) but I got my Medisana (the one with the little spout) and it works wonders! No ABX's! dee On 13 Nov 2009, at 17:49, Larry Biggar wrote: Hi David, I've been using 10 tds CS i made in my Silver Puppy. I have breathing problems which only occurs when ive overstressed my cardo-pulminary systems. With re occuring bladder infections. With my 4 heart attacks and congestial heart failure. So my breathing is in great compramize. I've been gargling about 1 oz./day plus spray both nostrils and my throat. Trying to find nose sprayer or even a nebulizer. Because if what im using is working. What would be a logical next step? I appriciate your help! Larry
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That is and has been for many years the generally accepted theory among CS researchers. Marshall Alchemysa wrote: If CS killed the 'good bacteria' the result would be pretty obvious and catastrophic. I certainly haven't noticed any problems in that area. My personal theory is that CS particles and ions are nulified in the intestine because they become coated with goo. (i.e. Digestive fluids). Silver needs to be physically in direct contact with a bacteria to kill it. That can't happen if the silver is surrounded by an 'insulating' coating. Its similar reasoning to why 'mild silver protein' is less effective than electolytic CS. Mild silver protein (like Invive) is a silver compound coated with a type of gelatin. David From: seth sato seths...@yahoo.com Date: 11 November 2009 3:38:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSprobiotics Does anyone know if C's destroys probiotics and if so what is the time one needs between taking C's and any kind of probiotic? Thanks Seth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi David, I've been using 10 tds CS i made in my Silver Puppy. I have breathing problems which only occurs when ive overstressed my cardo-pulminary systems. With re occuring bladder infections. With my 4 heart attacks and congestial heart failure. So my breathing is in great compramize. I've been gargling about 1 oz./day plus spray both nostrils and my throat. Trying to find nose sprayer or even a nebulizer. Because if what im using is working. What would be a logical next step? I appriciate your help! Larry From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:45:37 PM Subject: CSprobiotics If CS killed the 'good bacteria' the result would be pretty obvious and catastrophic. I certainly haven't noticed any problems in that area. My personal theory is that CS particles and ions are nulified in the intestine because they become coated with goo. (i.e. Digestive fluids). Silver needs to be physically in direct contact with a bacteria to kill it. That can't happen if the silver is surrounded by an 'insulating' coating. Its similar reasoning to why 'mild silver protein' is less effective than electolytic CS. Mild silver protein (like Invive) is a silver compound coated with a type of gelatin. David From: seth sato seths...@yahoo.com Date: 11 November 2009 3:38:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSprobiotics Does anyone know if C's destroys probiotics and if so what is the time one needs between taking C's and any kind of probiotic? Thanks Seth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSprobiotics (to Larry)
Larry. I'm no expert but I'd suggest you get a small Ultrasonic room humidifier . They are easier to use than a nebulizer. The Medisana is good. It has a spout so you can get up close and take deep breathes. But there are plenty of others. Lets of cheapies on ebay. By the way.. 10 on the TDS would be at least 20 ppm. David From: Larry Biggar lbig...@yahoo.com Date: 14 November 2009 4:19:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSprobiotics Hi David, I've been using 10 tds CS i made in my Silver Puppy. I have breathing problems which only occurs when ive overstressed my cardo-pulminary systems. With re occuring bladder infections. With my 4 heart attacks and congestial heart failure. So my breathing is in great compramize. I've been gargling about 1 oz./day plus spray both nostrils and my throat. Trying to find nose sprayer or even a nebulizer. Because if what im using is working. What would be a logical next step? I appriciate your help! Larry From: Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 6:45:37 PM Subject: CSprobiotics If CS killed the 'good bacteria' the result would be pretty obvious and catastrophic. I certainly haven't noticed any problems in that area. My personal theory is that CS particles and ions are nulified in the intestine because they become coated with goo. (i.e. Digestive fluids). Silver needs to be physically in direct contact with a bacteria to kill it. That can't happen if the silver is surrounded by an 'insulating' coating. Its similar reasoning to why 'mild silver protein' is less effective than electolytic CS. Mild silver protein (like Invive) is a silver compound coated with a type of gelatin. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSprobiotics
If CS killed the 'good bacteria' the result would be pretty obvious and catastrophic. I certainly haven't noticed any problems in that area. My personal theory is that CS particles and ions are nulified in the intestine because they become coated with goo. (i.e. Digestive fluids). Silver needs to be physically in direct contact with a bacteria to kill it. That can't happen if the silver is surrounded by an 'insulating' coating. Its similar reasoning to why 'mild silver protein' is less effective than electolytic CS. Mild silver protein (like Invive) is a silver compound coated with a type of gelatin. David From: seth sato seths...@yahoo.com Date: 11 November 2009 3:38:58 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSprobiotics Does anyone know if C's destroys probiotics and if so what is the time one needs between taking C's and any kind of probiotic? Thanks Seth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSprobiotics
Does anyone know if C's destroys probiotics and if so what is the time one needs between taking C's and any kind of probiotic? Thanks Seth
[RE]CSprobiotics
Dear Seth, During the immediately past 15 years we have conducted myriad investigations, experiments and studies involving Vitamin C as the parent...or one of the principal companions. We have never observed any untoward effects of any form of vitamin Cupon any of the probiotic constituents present in the combined spectrum of active elements in ANY research procedure we have prosecuted. Others may have experienced different results. p.s. As a matter of possible interest, I saywe have observed a very powerful positive, reinforcing effect by Vitamin C upon MANY other components in a large number (dozens) of experimental protocols addressing both pathological insults and dietary effects. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : CSprobiotics Date : Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:08:58 -0800 (PST) From : seth sato seths...@yahoo.com To : silver-list@eskimo.com Does anyone know if C's destroys probiotics and if so what is the time one needs between taking C's and any kind of probiotic? Thanks Seth -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
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Pat, It sounds like your son was having a herx reaction with Natren's probiotics. My son did too, so I spaced it out more and gave it once every other day unitl he could handle more. For the bowel inflammation have him look into glutamine to heal and restore the gut integrity. Colostrum also comes from goat. Blessings, Georgia
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I have taken glutamine too and it does help alot along with slippery elm which is very soothing to the intestinal wall...debbbe -- Original message -- From: gmetrop...@aol.com Pat, It sounds like your son was having a herx reaction with Natren's probiotics. My son did too, so I spaced it out more and gave it once every other day unitl he could handle more. For the bowel inflammation have him look into glutamine to heal and restore the gut integrity. Colostrum also comes from goat. Blessings, Georgia
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Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work and you would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this company either, I got ripped off!!!.debbie -- Original message -- From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ... works miracles for many Kefir and tibicos can be made in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar, water and tea. http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm free Tibicos http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD; ProdID=50 live free and healthy Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist Medicinal Herbalist http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com -Original Message- From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM To: silver list; Georgia Subject: CSProbiotics Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had that problem? He's trying to wean himself off Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I wouldn't suggest soy milk but use either rice or almond milkhave you tried those?thanks debbie -- Original message -- From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com I hadn't heard of using cow's colostrum before, that's interesting. But anyway, my son is lactose intolerant. He did fine on breast milk, but once that was over at about 2 1/3 years, he's never been able to tolerate milk. Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I would encourage him to back off a little on the dosage untill his body got use to it a little bit sounds like the product is doing it's job killing off the bad yeastdid he call the company?if you want to contact me off line Pat I use to have IBS too and got rid of itdebbie -- Original message -- From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had that problem? He's trying to wean himself off Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Debbie, they are live ferments and the only problem was you were over-fermenting. they are still good and healthy. I gave you my toll free number and other news groups to help you get started. Once live probiotic ferments get established they are easy and simple. Some people can not boil water without burring it so there are pills and capsules. The same experience may apply to CS. Some people do not trust making CS themselves. It is still possible to get live probiotics from one of the newsgroups and the facts are they are better than capsules or pills. Ed Kasper -Original Message- From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:49 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSProbiotics Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work and you would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this company either, I got ripped off!!!.debbie -- Original message -- From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ... works miracles for many Kefir and tibicos can be made in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar, water and tea. http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm free Tibicos http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction! =VIEWPR OD ProdID=50 live free and healthy Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist Medicinal Herbalist http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com -Original Message- From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM To: silver list; Georgia Subject: CSProbiotics Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had that problem? He's trying to wean himself off Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. Pat
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Excuse me I wasn't over fermenting nothing Ed within six hours the milk separated. I know fully well how to boil water and know when I am getting shafted too by a company . I will make certain anyone who will listen will know you have a nasty attitude when it comes to customer support and you sure don't back up what you state on your web-site I also reported you to the BBB. And I am out fifteen bucks thanks to trusting you!!! debbie -- Original message -- From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net Debbie, they are live ferments and the only problem was you were over-fermenting. they are still good and healthy. I gave you my toll free number and other news groups to help you get started. Once live probiotic ferments get established they are easy and simple. Some people can not boil water without burring it so there are pills and capsules. The same experience may apply to CS. Some people do not trust making CS themselves. It is still possible to get live probiotics from one of the newsgroups and the facts are they are better than capsules or pills. Ed Kasper -Original Message- From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:49 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSProbiotics Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work and you would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this company either, I got ripped off!!!.debbie -- Original message -- From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ... works miracles for many Kefir and tibicos can be made in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar, water and tea. http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm free Tibicos http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction! =VIEWPR OD ProdID=50 live free and healthy Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist Medicinal Herbalist http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com -Original Message- From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM To: silver list; Georgia Subject: CSProbiotics Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had that problem? He's trying to wean himself off Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. Pat
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The separation is into what is called curds and whey it is not spoiled just over fermented. Either add more milk or reduce the time. And I stand by by offer of unconditional guarantee and you're money has been refunded. You need to address these issues directly with me. Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist Medicinal Herbalist 417 Laurent St. Santa Cruz, CA. 95060 (831) 425-8801 toll-free 1-888-425-8827 http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com -Original Message- From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:38 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSProbiotics Excuse me I wasn't over fermenting nothing Ed within six hours the milk separated. I know fully well how to boil water and know when I am getting shafted too by a company . I will make certain anyone who will listen will know you have a nasty attitude when it comes to customer support and you sure don't back up what you state on your web-site I also reported you to the BBB. And I am out fifteen bucks thanks to trusting you!!! debbie -- Original message -- From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net Debbie, they are live ferments and the only problem was you were over-fermenting. they are still good and healthy. I gave you my toll free number and other news groups to help you get started. Once live probiotic ferments get established they are easy and simple. Some people can not boil water without burring it so there are pills and capsules. The same experience may apply to CS. Some people do not trust making CS themselves. It is still possible to get live probiotics from one of the newsgroups and the facts are they are better than capsules or pills. Ed Kasper -Original Message- From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:49 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSProbiotics Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work and you would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this company either, I got ripped off!!!.debbie -- Original message -- From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ... works miracles for many Kefir and tibicos can be made in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar, water and tea. http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm free Tibicos http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction! ! =VIEW PR OD ProdID=50 live free and healthy Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist Medicinal Herbalist http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com -Original Message- From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM To: silver list; Georgia Subject: CSProbiotics Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had that problem? He's trying to wean himself off Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. Pat
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I have not gotten any check or any communication from you at all. You would not answer any of my e-mails other than just flat out stating I OVER FERMENTED which I did not...reduce the time or how about sending a product that isn't junk!! I would of addressed them to you but you would not answer me.!! -- Original message -- From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net The separation is into what is called curds and whey it is not spoiled just over fermented. Either add more milk or reduce the time. And I stand by by offer of unconditional guarantee and you're money has been refunded. You need to address these issues directly with me. Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist Medicinal Herbalist 417 Laurent St. Santa Cruz, CA. 95060 (831) 425-8801 toll-free 1-888-425-8827 http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com -Original Message- From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:38 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSProbiotics Excuse me I wasn't over fermenting nothing Ed within six hours the milk separated. I know fully well how to boil water and know when I am getting shafted too by a company . I will make certain anyone who will listen will know you have a nasty attitude when it comes to customer support and you sure don't back up what you state on your web-site I also reported you to the BBB. And I am out fifteen bucks thanks to trusting you!!! debbie -- Original message -- From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net Debbie, they are live ferments and the only problem was you were over-fermenting. they are still good and healthy. I gave you my toll free number and other news groups to help you get started. Once live probiotic ferments get established they are easy and simple. Some people can not boil water without burring it so there are pills and capsules. The same experience may apply to CS. Some people do not trust making CS themselves. It is still possible to get live probiotics from one of the newsgroups and the facts are they are better than capsules or pills. Ed Kasper -Original Message- From: debbiegerar...@comcast.net [mailto:debbiegerar...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 6:49 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSProbiotics Purchased the Caspian Sea Yogurt from you Ed and twice it did not work and you would not answer my e-mails.no money back garuntee from this company either, I got ripped off!!!.debbie -- Original message -- From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ... works miracles for many Kefir and tibicos can be made in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar, water and tea. http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm free Tibicos http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction! ! =VIEW PR OD ProdID=50 live free and healthy Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist Medicinal Herbalist http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com -Original Message- From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM To: silver list; Georgia Subject: CSProbiotics Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had that problem? He's trying to wean himself off Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. Pat
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Slippery Elm (inner bark, powdered) is very soothing to the intestines and also healing. You can buy it at a health store that carries herbs or order it in bulk online. Mix approximately 1 heaping teaspoon in a glass of water and mix it in. It thickens like Metamucil, but is healing, not irritating. Can take as much as is tolerated. I would take 3 or 4 times a day between meals or more often if desired. Keep away from any allergy foods like milk and milk products since he is allergic to it. Don't eat irritating foods with a lot of roughage, at least for a while. Some other foods like acidic fruits, tomatoes and citrus may be irritating, at least initially. Eat foods like cooked oatmeal etc. Take the Slippery Elm bark and let the intestines calm down. Wean off the Imodium. (Look into food combining.) There are things like Dr. Richard Schulze's Intestinal Formula #2 which can be taken in a similar manner to the Slippery Elm bark. It has that and psyllium, bentonite, pectin, activated charcoal, ground flax seed, etc in it. It can be made without charcoal for long term use... I found it a bit gritty because of the charcoal. Dan -Original Message- From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 3:30 PM To: silver list; Georgia Subject: CSProbiotics Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had that problem? He's trying to wean himself off Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. Pat -Original Message- From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:13 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSProbiotics I hadn't heard of using cow's colostrum before, that's interesting. But anyway, my son is lactose intolerant. He did fine on breast milk, but once that was over at about 2 1/3 years, he's never been able to tolerate milk. Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Good news for leaky gut sufferers that the inulin/FOS they use heals leaky gut by supporting bowel lining epithelial cell growth as well as stimulating a fluorish of probiotic Bifidobacteria. I haven't looked this one up or got it on my website yet. I'll put it in the inulin references; other studies that show reduction in aberrant crypt foci (beginning bowel cancer cells) as probiotic populations fluorish. Two experiments were conducted to determine if supplementing soluble fiber (fructooligosaccharide, xylooligosaccharide or gum arabic) to a semi-elemental diet would beneficially change cecal and colonic microbiota populations and enhance epithelial cell proliferation. Experiments 1 and 2 used identical dietary regimens; mice and rats were given free access to a powdered semi- elemental diet. Animals were assigned to one of the four following treatment groups: control, no supplemental dietary fiber, fructooligosaccharide, xylooligosaccharide and gum arabic. Dietary fiber was supplied via drinking water at 30 g/L. In Experiment 1 populations of Bifidobacteria and total anaerobic flora were enumerated from the contents of the cecum and colon of weanling mice. Consumption of fructooligosaccharide increased (P 0.05) the concentrations of Bifidobacteria and the ratio of Bifidobacteria to total anaerobic flora. In Experiment 2 tissue from the cecum and distal colon of weanling rats was examined for morphological changes of the mucosa. Consumption of xylooligosaccharide increased (P 0.05) cecal crypt depth and labeling index relative to the other three treatments. Consumption of gum arabic and the control diet increased (P 0.01) cecal proliferation zone. Consumption of xylooligosaccharide and the control diet increased (P 0.01) cecal cell density (number of cells in a vertical-half of the crypt). Distal colonic crypt depth was greatest (P 0.05) in controls and rats fed fructooligosaccharide, intermediate in those fed gum arabic, and smallest in those fed xylooligosaccharide. Duncan Crow htp://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had that problem? He's trying to wean himself off Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Pat, He need Colostrum. Paul - Original Message - From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com; Georgia gmetrop...@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: CSProbiotics Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had that problem? He's trying to wean himself off Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I hadn't heard of using cow's colostrum before, that's interesting. But anyway, my son is lactose intolerant. He did fine on breast milk, but once that was over at about 2 1/3 years, he's never been able to tolerate milk. Pat __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Pat, have you tried acidophilus? I would think that the continuous use of Immodium on a daily basis would not be healthy. Also the colostrum that someone suggested should show an improvement. Pete In a message dated 6/19/2006 4:51:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pauljfis...@cox.net writes: Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had that problem? He's trying to wean himself off Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. Pat
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Try Kombucha, Kefir, Tibicos, Caspian Sea Yogurt all natural live probiotics simply to make at home and are cheap or actually free from many groups online. Do a google or search yahoo groups. Live probiotics - not capsules or pills ... works miracles for many Kefir and tibicos can be made in water, similar to Japanese water crystals, or with nut milk. CSY is made only with milk and Kombucha with sugar, water and tea. http://www.happyherbalist.com/how_to_kefir.htm http://www.happyherbalist.com/caspian_sea_yogurt.htm http://www.happyherbalist.com/kombucha_brewing_guide.htm free Tibicos http://www.happyherbalist.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD; ProdID=50 live free and healthy Ed Kasper L.Ac., Acupuncturist Medicinal Herbalist http://HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com -Original Message- From: Pat [mailto:pattycake29...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 1:30 PM To: silver list; Georgia Subject: CSProbiotics Got some Natren Healthy Trinity probiotics for son who has irritable bowel. VERY expensive, but arrived with bubble wrap, cold pack, and totally surrounded with styrofoam. He's only used about 5 but says he has to quitit causes horrible foul gas. Anyone else had that problem? He's trying to wean himself off Immodium, it's been like he needs more and more now. Pat -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Pat, Here is something you need to read, as well as other posters. I've been taking colostrum for several years and give it to my wife and kids when needed. PeteP.S. this lady went through Hell! _Click here: Colostrum - SYMBIOTICS: Exclusive Suppliers of New Life Colostrum - Contact Us_ (http://www.symbiotics.com/kaye.htm)
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Check to see if it is milk-based. Ingredients that are related to dairy would be whey, casein, milk solids, etc. I have a terrible time with even milk in coffeeI would try acidophilous, kefir, real organic yogurt. Kaopectate may be better or at least a good change from Immodium, too. We use a Canadian-made Lacteeze enzyme added to milk to eliminate the lactose - it even makes the milk last longer! Gelda Scientific produces the Lacteeze drops. They do have an 800 toll free #, and it is: 1-866-673-9320, or try http://www.gelda.com -- The real trouble with this world of ours is not that it is an unreaonable world, nor even that it is a reasonable one. The commonest kind of trouble is that it is nearly reasonable, but not quite. Life is not an illogicality, yet it is a trap for logicians. It looks just a little more mathematical and regular than it is; its' exactitude is obvious; but its' inexactitude is hidden, its' wildness lies in wait --G. K. Chesterton ___ Mark S. Siepak bro...@gtcinternet.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I just noticed that the acidopholas pills I have are gelatin. Gelatin dissolves in the stomach, where I would expect the culture to get killed. It seems to me that any probiotics should use a hard shell coating that does not break down in the stomach so the live culture can make it to the intestines. Are all probiotics using gelatin capsules? This somehow does not make sense to me. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Marshal, I haven't used them in pill form although from the ones I have encountered in health stores they all seem to be in a gelatin capsule. I do use liquid form acidophilus 50 billion live organisms. This is much more potent then capsule form or any yogurt one might buy. Product I use is Bio-k plus. It is very reputable and I have noticed a difference using it. Ernie -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSProbiotics I just noticed that the acidopholas pills I have are gelatin. Gelatin dissolves in the stomach, where I would expect the culture to get killed. It seems to me that any probiotics should use a hard shell coating that does not break down in the stomach so the live culture can make it to the intestines. Are all probiotics using gelatin capsules? This somehow does not make sense to me. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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You need to take probiotics when you are not eating meat. For dog a fermented salad is great way of doing this. The fermented pulped salad is made (mostly with leafy greens) adding probiotics (human grade and non dairy) to establish the good bacteria in the intestines. The human grade digestive enzymes are also added (need one with cellulase and amylase at least) are added to the pulped salad and keep the mix at BODY temperature for at least 15 minutes before feeding, wait at least 2 hours after this salad mix before feeding meaty bones for the best results. This salad helps diarrhea problems as well as constipation, boost the immune system and gives extra b vitamins to boot :o It helps to repair the intestines by establishing good bacteria that prefers raw food and leafy greens. You first pulp the veggies (chop up some romaine lettuce so it is easier to process, some freeze it first to smash into very tiny pieced in the bag after it is frozen) some add a little water for processing) it should look like baby food when done. For sick animals make it mostly leafy greens and low starchy veggies. You can freeze this mush and then continue the rest of the procedure when you need some more fermented veggies. With the thawed mixture or the freshly made one you add some probiotics human grade (non dairy type) always sold in the fridge of pharmacy or health food store. add one capsule or digestive enzymes (like UDO's digestive blend human type, though if you read the labels you will find similar types for less money) but they should have the basics of Cellulase and Amylase. (for dogs and cats about 10 pounds or less use 1/4 capsule of each) Best with a sick dog to add to his food as well and so they should also have Lipase and Protease. I share my digestive enzymes with my dog so I make sure that is also has Lactase as I have problems with milk digestion (but if the mix you get does not have this it is still good for the dog) I do not like the dog types because they often add stuff and some use the poorest quality and the probiotics often are not alive. Some are a joke and if you read the label are often are just prebiotics and sold on a shelf so no live ones left (The ones I have seen are a waste of money IMO or not as beneficial as getting the human grade varieties) Some use this salad instead of a fast day when feeding a raw meaty bone diet. Louise -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 10:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSProbiotics I just noticed that the acidopholas pills I have are gelatin. Gelatin dissolves in the stomach, where I would expect the culture to get killed. It seems to me that any probiotics should use a hard shell coating that does not break down in the stomach so the live culture can make it to the intestines. Are all probiotics using gelatin capsules? This somehow does not make sense to me. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Louise wrote: You need to take probiotics when you are not eating meat. For dog a fermented salad is great way of doing this. The fermented pulped salad is made (mostly with leafy greens) adding probiotics (human grade and non dairy) to establish the good bacteria in the intestines. The human grade digestive enzymes are also added (need one with cellulase and amylase at least) are added to the pulped salad and keep the mix at BODY temperature for at least 15 minutes before feeding, wait at least 2 hours after this salad mix before feeding meaty bones for the best results. This salad helps diarrhea problems as well as constipation, boost the immune system and gives extra b vitamins to boot :o It helps to repair the intestines by establishing good bacteria that prefers raw food and leafy greens. You first pulp the veggies (chop up some romaine lettuce so it is easier to process, some freeze it first to smash into very tiny pieced in the bag after it is frozen) some add a little water for processing) it should look like baby food when done. For sick animals make it mostly leafy greens and low starchy veggies. You can freeze this mush and then continue the rest of the procedure when you need some more fermented veggies. With the thawed mixture or the freshly made one you add some probiotics human grade (non dairy type) always sold in the fridge of pharmacy or health food store. add one capsule or digestive enzymes (like UDO's digestive blend human type, though if you read the labels you will find similar types for less money) but they should have the basics of Cellulase and Amylase. (for dogs and cats about 10 pounds or less use 1/4 capsule of each) Do you eat this immediately, or do you wait a while for it to ferment? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Consider kefir (fermented milk similar to yogurt) and kombucha (fermented sugar and tea similar to apple-cider) both easy and fun to make at home for just pennies. Not as cheap as CS but well worth it. I sell the stuff and you can see information about them on my website - but ask around your local HFS or yahoo groups and simply ask for some and your chances are good at getting some for free - maybe postage, best to find one local. If your confused email me off-list as this is off topic. Dom's Kefir in-site for information: http://users.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html Looking for kefir grains?... or have kefir grains to share? http://66.46.11.99/clarkson/Show/Clarkson/kefir/default.asp http://www.rejoiceinlife.com/kefir/kefirlist.php Original_Kombucha Home: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/original_kombucha/ Brewing Kombucha Pictures online http://www.happyherbalist.com/pictures.htm Enjoy Your Health, Ed Kasper L.Ac. California Licensed Acupuncturist Herbalist www.HappyHerbalist.com e...@happyherbalist.com -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@king-cart.com] Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:19 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSProbiotics Louise wrote: You need to take probiotics when you are not eating meat. For dog a fermented salad is great way of doing this. The fermented pulped salad is made (mostly with leafy greens) adding probiotics (human grade and non dairy) to establish the good bacteria in the intestines. The human grade digestive enzymes are also added (need one with cellulase and amylase at least) are added to the pulped salad and keep the mix at BODY temperature for at least 15 minutes before feeding, wait at least 2 hours after this salad mix before feeding meaty bones for the best results. This salad helps diarrhea problems as well as constipation, boost the immune system and gives extra b vitamins to boot :o It helps to repair the intestines by establishing good bacteria that prefers raw food and leafy greens. You first pulp the veggies (chop up some romaine lettuce so it is easier to process, some freeze it first to smash into very tiny pieced in the bag after it is frozen) some add a little water for processing) it should look like baby food when done. For sick animals make it mostly leafy greens and low starchy veggies. You can freeze this mush and then continue the rest of the procedure when you need some more fermented veggies. With the thawed mixture or the freshly made one you add some probiotics human grade (non dairy type) always sold in the fridge of pharmacy or health food store. add one capsule or digestive enzymes (like UDO's digestive blend human type, though if you read the labels you will find similar types for less money) but they should have the basics of Cellulase and Amylase. (for dogs and cats about 10 pounds or less use 1/4 capsule of each) Do you eat this immediately, or do you wait a while for it to ferment? Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hee,hee, A new source of probiotics. And, for those that think urine therapy is beyond the pale... Chuck The only thing wrong with a beautiful drive to work is that you still end up at work. Gut Feelings Cry Out For Waste Its advocates acknowledge that it is distasteful, but they say the results justify its use as a last resort therapy. Take a deep breath ... it's fecal transfusion. That is, the introduction of stools from a healthy person into the bowel of someone with anything from diarrhoea to flatulence. It is happening in Sydney, and far from being a fringe-dwelling alternative practice, it is attracting the cautious approval of the mainstream medical community. A paper on the subject is published this week in a leading US gastroenterology journal. The theory is that the complex zoo of bacteria that inhabit the gut can be permanently disrupted, probably by the use of antibiotics, with some subspecies being killed off. This can lead to the multiplication of harmful bacteria which release toxins that cause a multitude of bowel problems. We've been using this in patients with constipation and colitis, which says to us both are linked to an infection, said the director of the Centre for Digestive Diseases at Five Dock in Sydney, Dr Tom Borody. Stool flora is exceedingly complex, Dr Borody said. In terms of subspecies of bacteria it's a zoo - about 24,000. People think it's waste, but it's not. It's a major defence system. Where people had longterm, otherwise incurable bowel conditions, they were generally happy to accept a stool donation, usually from a spouse or close family member, said Dr Borody. The procedure requires fresh stool, homogenised in a blender in an anaerobic environment, covered so that it doesn't die. The recipient has an enema in order to be able to receive the fresh stool, which is introduced via a colonoscope. Continued at http://www.smh.com.au/news/0011/16/national/national8.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Al-- Yoghurt is the best probiotic around. Check on the list of ingredients. If it says there's gelatin in it, don't buy it. It's fake.VBG Several natural foods companies include a full range of bacteria in their yoghurt but I think standard plain yoghurt will do. I personally prefer the Middle Eastern companies' brands. The health food types, like Nancy's, have weird stuff added--like honey, etc. And have all this fat on top? Yoghurt shouldn't have half in inch of fat floating on top. Continental or even Dannon's is fine. Kefir, as someone else mentioned, contains the same or similar bacteria and is pretty concentrated. If you're near a Middle Eastern market, you might see if they carry lebni balls. These are little ping pong ball-sized balls of yoghurt cheese--i.e. yoghurt that's strained, the water has been squeezed out so it's more concentrated. And packed in extra virgin olive oil. Eat them on Arabic bread...yum... I wouldn't buy probiotics. Whatever for? Thelma _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
