Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
See: *Practicing Medicine Without a License * Owen Fonrow On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:43 PM, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote: Simeon: I'll get back to you. Sunny: There are companies out there in the market place that sell good vitamins, minerals and organic whole food source supplements at a decent price. When possible I store up when there are 2 for the price of 1 sales. There are certain supplements I've been taking for 35 or more years and will never give up. As you say, wellness is paramount and the prevention of disease is also paramount. I also grow an organic garden every summer and can and freeze for winter usage. Grow as much fruit as you can, too. It's difficult to grow pine tree bark, though (ha...) and ubiquinol... There are some supplements you cannot grow because of the source (i.e., vitamin E with mixed tocoph and toc., etc.,) and some you cannot grow depending somewhat on your weather and growing season. One reason I have my own CSW makers is because the cost at health food stores is absurd - and usually we can make a better (and stronger) CSW than they sell at health food stores for extremely less money. Once a month I sit and fill cleaned plastic 35 mm film containers with all of my vitamin and mineral supplements for the month so if I leave to substitute teach or work somewhere, I can tote them with me easily. I always bring my own lunch, my own water and my own organic coffee -because I don't trust restaurants and I will not drink chlorinated water. I also carry CSW in an amber bottle with me - and CSW in a nose spray. I use a portable ozonator to ozonate my drinking water (sometimes), but I always use a vitalizer to add a lot more oxygen to the water. i know the vitalizer works well, because when the Red Cross takes a pint of my blood every 56 days they tell me my blood is highly oxygenated. Why is that important? Because disease, cancer, viruses and other harmful bacteria cannot live in a highly oxygenated environment. If we don't have our heath - we have nothing... John On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I would love to buy alot of things but simply can't afford it on a fixed income. Shame it's so expensive to try and stay healthy! Donna ACS John I admire your attention to health. And I'm wondering two thing.. how much must it cost to take all these supplements and if we dont have those kind of funds, where can we obtain this naturally. Could it be by growing a forest garden? I'm serious here... when I had money I'd buy all this stuff.. and start a regime.. but to be naturally healthy these days it appears one has to also have a lot of 'money-energy'. No griping here, I chose a life of simplicity to divest myself.. but wellness is paramount. Can anyone share how we can get these nutrients more naturally.. for example, berries from a bush and food that is readily available locally? That would be a challenge... and thanks to you all for your astounding knowledge sharing.. with love sunny */A peek into our world/*.. Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All *Feed the Future-* *The blog* In depth articles *-* forest gardens, natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? http://www.pierresoleil.com/ourblog /**/ /*Follow us on Twitter - **www.twitter.com/return2earth* http://www.twitter.com/return2earth Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep *Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life*/ /Tune in and friend us on *Facebook* http://www.facebook.com/return2earth- Pierre Soleil return to earth/ // *From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tue, January 12, 2010 6:52:23 AM *Subject:* Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all that lol! dee On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote: Hi, Simeon: I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive Vitamin C from berries, and regular vitamin C with bio - no buffer. i eat about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg of Vit C with each of those two meals. Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their life, health history, family health history - it's not the one program for everyone. I take a lot of supplements for health support: 400 IU's vit E (mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 mg ubiquinol, 20 mg resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and Folate (not Folic acid - folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily, prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, zeaxanthan
Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
Yes I would love to buy alot of things but simply can't afford it on a fixed income. Shame it's so expensive to try and stay healthy! Donna ACS John I admire your attention to health. And I'm wondering two thing.. how much must it cost to take all these supplements and if we dont have those kind of funds, where can we obtain this naturally. Could it be by growing a forest garden? I'm serious here... when I had money I'd buy all this stuff.. and start a regime.. but to be naturally healthy these days it appears one has to also have a lot of 'money-energy'. No griping here, I chose a life of simplicity to divest myself.. but wellness is paramount. Can anyone share how we can get these nutrients more naturally.. for example, berries from a bush and food that is readily available locally? That would be a challenge... and thanks to you all for your astounding knowledge sharing.. with love sunny */A peek into our world/*.. Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All *Feed the Future-* *The blog* In depth articles *-* forest gardens, natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? http://www.pierresoleil.com/ourblog /**/ /*Follow us on Twitter - **www.twitter.com/return2earth* http://www.twitter.com/return2earth Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep *Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life*/ /Tune in and friend us on *Facebook* http://www.facebook.com/return2earth- Pierre Soleil return to earth/ // *From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tue, January 12, 2010 6:52:23 AM *Subject:* Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all that lol! dee On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote: Hi, Simeon: I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive Vitamin C from berries, and regular vitamin C with bio - no buffer. i eat about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg of Vit C with each of those two meals. Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their life, health history, family health history - it's not the one program for everyone. I take a lot of supplements for health support: 400 IU's vit E (mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 mg ubiquinol, 20 mg resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and Folate (not Folic acid - folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily, prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium, magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite, vitamin K, a cup of Flor*essence at retiring, creatine, silica, lithium (once in a while), minerals, etc., I'm a 95% organic eater including wild fish and natural grass fed meat and poultry - no GH or antibiotics. Pure Spring water is another vitamin... I know I've left some out which I'll get to later - I've got to teach this morning. Recently, my hair has turned from all gray to all blond about the color it was when I was a kid of 10 - 12... I do take an HGH activator which I attribute this change to. Yes - it's full head of blond hair - no balding... Thank you God... John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
Simeon: I'll get back to you. Sunny: There are companies out there in the market place that sell good vitamins, minerals and organic whole food source supplements at a decent price. When possible I store up when there are 2 for the price of 1 sales. There are certain supplements I've been taking for 35 or more years and will never give up. As you say, wellness is paramount and the prevention of disease is also paramount. I also grow an organic garden every summer and can and freeze for winter usage. Grow as much fruit as you can, too. It's difficult to grow pine tree bark, though (ha...) and ubiquinol... There are some supplements you cannot grow because of the source (i.e., vitamin E with mixed tocoph and toc., etc.,) and some you cannot grow depending somewhat on your weather and growing season. One reason I have my own CSW makers is because the cost at health food stores is absurd - and usually we can make a better (and stronger) CSW than they sell at health food stores for extremely less money. Once a month I sit and fill cleaned plastic 35 mm film containers with all of my vitamin and mineral supplements for the month so if I leave to substitute teach or work somewhere, I can tote them with me easily. I always bring my own lunch, my own water and my own organic coffee -because I don't trust restaurants and I will not drink chlorinated water. I also carry CSW in an amber bottle with me - and CSW in a nose spray. I use a portable ozonator to ozonate my drinking water (sometimes), but I always use a vitalizer to add a lot more oxygen to the water. i know the vitalizer works well, because when the Red Cross takes a pint of my blood every 56 days they tell me my blood is highly oxygenated. Why is that important? Because disease, cancer, viruses and other harmful bacteria cannot live in a highly oxygenated environment. If we don't have our heath - we have nothing... John On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I would love to buy alot of things but simply can't afford it on a fixed income. Shame it's so expensive to try and stay healthy! Donna ACS John I admire your attention to health. And I'm wondering two thing.. how much must it cost to take all these supplements and if we dont have those kind of funds, where can we obtain this naturally. Could it be by growing a forest garden? I'm serious here... when I had money I'd buy all this stuff.. and start a regime.. but to be naturally healthy these days it appears one has to also have a lot of 'money-energy'. No griping here, I chose a life of simplicity to divest myself.. but wellness is paramount. Can anyone share how we can get these nutrients more naturally.. for example, berries from a bush and food that is readily available locally? That would be a challenge... and thanks to you all for your astounding knowledge sharing.. with love sunny */A peek into our world/*.. Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All *Feed the Future-* *The blog* In depth articles *-* forest gardens, natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? http://www.pierresoleil.com/ourblog /**/ /*Follow us on Twitter - **www.twitter.com/return2earth* http://www.twitter.com/return2earth Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep *Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life*/ /Tune in and friend us on *Facebook* http://www.facebook.com/return2earth- Pierre Soleil return to earth/ // *From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Tue, January 12, 2010 6:52:23 AM *Subject:* Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all that lol! dee On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote: Hi, Simeon: I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive Vitamin C from berries, and regular vitamin C with bio - no buffer. i eat about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg of Vit C with each of those two meals. Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their life, health history, family health history - it's not the one program for everyone. I take a lot of supplements for health support: 400 IU's vit E (mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 mg ubiquinol, 20 mg resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and Folate (not Folic acid - folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily, prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium, magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite, vitamin K, a cup of Flor*essence at retiring, creatine, silica, lithium (once in a while
Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
Hi John, Will you please let me know whether you buffer Vit C with sodium bicarbonate and what are the major other supplements you take. Simeon - Ferratum - бърз заем онлайн!
Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
Hi, Simeon: I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive Vitamin C from berries, and regular vitamin C with bio - no buffer. i eat about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg of Vit C with each of those two meals. Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their life, health history, family health history - it's not the one program for everyone. I take a lot of supplements for health support: 400 IU's vit E (mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 mg ubiquinol, 20 mg resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and Folate (not Folic acid - folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily, prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium, magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite, vitamin K, a cup of Flor*essence at retiring, creatine, silica, lithium (once in a while), minerals, etc., I'm a 95% organic eater including wild fish and natural grass fed meat and poultry - no GH or antibiotics. Pure Spring water is another vitamin... I know I've left some out which I'll get to later - I've got to teach this morning. Recently, my hair has turned from all gray to all blond about the color it was when I was a kid of 10 - 12... I do take an HGH activator which I attribute this change to. Yes - it's full head of blond hair - no balding... Thank you God... John 2010/1/12 muk...@mail.bg Hi John, Will you please let me know whether you buffer Vit C with sodium bicarbonate and what are the major other supplements you take. Simeon - Ferratum - бърз заем онлайн! http://mail.bg/ads/www/delivery/ck.php?oaparams=2__bannerid=5892__zoneid=17__cb=7a71d0bfc0__maxdest=http://www.ferratum.bg
Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
It is like I said before on occasion, everything in moderation, even the good stuff! I know it can be very damaging to unbalance minerals which is why I don't take seperate ones now, but I thought that vit C was ok because most of us don't get nearly enough of it. I do know that since I have been giving hubby vit c almost every day, he doesn't get the broken blood vessels in his eye which he used to get on a regular basis every couple of months or less. I think it has a job to do i.e. strengthening the walls of arteries and veins, but maybe too much causes a problem in SOME people. We are all different, so need different things, which is why the so called 'normal' range that doctors use is largely irrelevant. dee On 11 Jan 2010, at 23:07, Norton, Steve wrote: I sent this once but received back an error message. Trying again. I ran across the following info that says that Vitamin C may cause hardening of the arteries. I am used to seeing info saying that Vitamin C is good for the arteries such as the link further down. I don't take very high doses of Vitamin C, 500 - 1000 mg, but now I am concerned. Anyone have better data? Thanks, - Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all that lol! dee On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote: Hi, Simeon: I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive Vitamin C from berries, and regular vitamin C with bio - no buffer. i eat about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg of Vit C with each of those two meals. Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their life, health history, family health history - it's not the one program for everyone. I take a lot of supplements for health support: 400 IU's vit E (mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 mg ubiquinol, 20 mg resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and Folate (not Folic acid - folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily, prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium, magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite, vitamin K, a cup of Flor*essence at retiring, creatine, silica, lithium (once in a while), minerals, etc., I'm a 95% organic eater including wild fish and natural grass fed meat and poultry - no GH or antibiotics. Pure Spring water is another vitamin... I know I've left some out which I'll get to later - I've got to teach this morning. Recently, my hair has turned from all gray to all blond about the color it was when I was a kid of 10 - 12... I do take an HGH activator which I attribute this change to. Yes - it's full head of blond hair - no balding... Thank you God... John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
John, if you don't mind telling us, how old are you with the full head of blonde hair? Jess -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:52 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all that lol! dee On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote: Hi, Simeon: I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive Vitamin C from berries, and regular vitamin C with bio - no buffer. i eat about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg of Vit C with each of those two meals. Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their life, health history, family health history - it's not the one program for everyone. I take a lot of supplements for health support: 400 IU's vit E (mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 mg ubiquinol, 20 mg resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and Folate (not Folic acid - folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily, prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium, magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite, vitamin K, a cup of Flor*essence at retiring, creatine, silica, lithium (once in a while), minerals, etc., I'm a 95% organic eater including wild fish and natural grass fed meat and poultry - no GH or antibiotics. Pure Spring water is another vitamin... I know I've left some out which I'll get to later - I've got to teach this morning. Recently, my hair has turned from all gray to all blond about the color it was when I was a kid of 10 - 12... I do take an HGH activator which I attribute this change to. Yes - it's full head of blond hair - no balding... Thank you God... John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
John I admire your attention to health. And I'm wondering two thing.. how much must it cost to take all these supplements and if we dont have those kind of funds, where can we obtain this naturally. Could it be by growing a forest garden? I'm serious here... when I had money I'd buy all this stuff.. and start a regime.. but to be naturally healthy these days it appears one has to also have a lot of 'money-energy'. No griping here, I chose a life of simplicity to divest myself.. but wellness is paramount. Can anyone share how we can get these nutrients more naturally.. for example, berries from a bush and food that is readily available locally? That would be a challenge... and thanks to you all for your astounding knowledge sharing.. with love sunny A peek into our world.. Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 6:52:23 AM Subject: Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all that lol! dee On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote: Hi, Simeon: I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive Vitamin C from berries, and regular vitamin C with bio - no buffer. i eat about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg of Vit C with each of those two meals. Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their life, health history, family health history - it's not the one program for everyone. I take a lot of supplements for health support: 400 IU's vit E (mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 mg ubiquinol, 20 mg resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and Folate (not Folic acid - folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily, prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium, magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite, vitamin K, a cup of Flor*essence at retiring, creatine, silica, lithium (once in a while), minerals, etc., I'm a 95% organic eater including wild fish and natural grass fed meat and poultry - no GH or antibiotics. Pure Spring water is another vitamin... I know I've left some out which I'll get to later - I've got to teach this morning. Recently, my hair has turned from all gray to all blond about the color it was when I was a kid of 10 - 12... I do take an HGH activator which I attribute this change to. Yes - it's full head of blond hair - no balding... Thank you God... John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi John, Thanks for sharing with us. Good for you. The cost of so many supplements would be prohibitive for most of us and it seems so much time consuming. Also I wonder how you could eat only two small meals a day. You evidently have strong will. My father and my mother died from generalized atherosclerosis and I'd like to take some measures. It would have been good if we could secure better health with less effort...arrrh. Simeon. - ICN.Bg с най-богатата гама от Хостинг услуги на Българския пазар - Професионален Хостинг за 0.23 ст/ден с ДДС, 18 GB място, Неограничен трафик и Безплатен домейн.
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Sunny, It takes some research on your part. Here is a start for some of the more common supplements: http://www.mcvitamins.com/Vitamins/vitamins-in-food.htm I did searches on all the plants I came across in the area where I live. You will be surprised at what is available to you locally. For example, I am located near an ocean and several type of kelp are available nearby. In some instances I ask family in other states to send me some plant material they have easy access to me. Or for seeds or root to allow me to grow my own. Then you will need to decide whether to just dry and store the plant or whether making a tincture or extract is the best way to store the supplements. You will also probably want to develop a way to powder the plant material. Leaves aren't so bad but dried roots and similar plant parts can be more difficult to powder. Below are some databases that will help in determining the beneficial components in a plant. I also do google searches with the plant name and benefits in the search box. The databases below are very powerful if you make the effort to learn how to use them. The databases will even tell you what part of the plant contains the nutrient that interests you most. Databases: http://www.leffingwell.com/plants.htm http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/ http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/dukeindex.html http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/syllabus/ (esp. Module 2) If you need a plant that is not available locally, then look for bulk plant sources. One I have used a lot is: http://www.herbalcom.com/. Also, look into sprouting dried seeds that are readily available in the supermarket and are inexpensive such as beans, brown rice, peas, lentils, alfalfa, etc. Sprouted seeds can have very concentrated amounts of nutrients that exceed what is available from the seed without sprouting or from the mature plant. Annie seems to know a lot of low cost sources as do others on the list. Ask when you have trouble finding an affordable source for something. Take your time and do it slowly and don't get discouraged. It will take time and you may find the learning experience very enjoyable. And you can do it inexpensively. - Steve N From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny [mailto:sunwatercl...@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:10 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries John I admire your attention to health. And I'm wondering two thing.. how much must it cost to take all these supplements and if we dont have those kind of funds, where can we obtain this naturally. Could it be by growing a forest garden? I'm serious here... when I had money I'd buy all this stuff.. and start a regime.. but to be naturally healthy these days it appears one has to also have a lot of 'money-energy'. No griping here, I chose a life of simplicity to divest myself.. but wellness is paramount. Can anyone share how we can get these nutrients more naturally.. for example, berries from a bush and food that is readily available locally? That would be a challenge... and thanks to you all for your astounding knowledge sharing.. with love sunny From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 6:52:23 AM Subject: Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all that lol! dee On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote: Hi, Simeon: I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive Vitamin C from berries, and regular vitamin C with bio - no buffer. i eat about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg of Vit C with each of those two meals. Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their life, health history, family health history - it's not the one program for everyone. I take a lot of supplements for health support: 400 IU's vit E (mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 mg ubiquinol, 20 mg resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and Folate (not Folic acid - folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily, prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium, magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite, vitamin K, a cup of Flor*essence at retiring, creatine, silica, lithium (once in a while), minerals, etc., I'm a 95% organic eater including wild fish and natural grass fed meat and poultry - no GH or antibiotics. Pure Spring water is another vitamin... I know I've left some out which I'll get to later - I've got to teach this morning. Recently, my hair has turned from all gray to all blond about the color it was when I was a kid of 10 - 12... I do take an HGH activator which I attribute this change to. Yes - it's full head of blond hair - no balding... Thank you God... John -- The Silver
Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
I'm not so sure I believe the study - and it's the first time I've ever heard that. In my own personal experience, I've been taking 10,000 mg of vitamin C for 35 years and my doctor says I have the heart and circulatory system of an 18 year old atlete - and I'm only 68 years old... Of course, I take many other supplements that may aid this, too. In a circulation test, my doctor also told me my blood moves so quickly from my heart to my furthest extremities, he finds it hard to believe. He told me my heart is so strong that if he stabbed me in the heart I'd throw blood at least 60 feet. Linus Pauling was taking 18,000 mg of vitamin C well into his 90's. He died at 93 of prostate cancer. Now, had he known how to support his prostate, the ole boy might still be with us... John On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.comwrote: I sent this once but received back an error message. Trying again. I ran across the following info that says that Vitamin C may cause hardening of the arteries. I am used to seeing info saying that Vitamin C is good for the arteries such as the link further down. I don't take very high doses of Vitamin C, 500 - 1000 mg, but now I am concerned. Anyone have better data? Thanks, - Steve N ___ http://altmedangel.com/arteries.htm Ascorbic Acid Causes Hardening of the Arteries? It seems hardly likely that taking high doses of vitamin C (ascorbic acid) can cause thickening or hardening of the arteries since so many people have taken high doses for a long time. Yet researchers from the University of California reported just that on March 2, 2000. People who took 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a 2.5 times faster progression of thickening of the carotid artery (hardening of the arteries) than people who took no supplement. This study was not a clinical study where subjects are divided into those taking ascorbic acid and those taking a placebo. This was an epidemiological study which means patient records were examined and this finding popped up. There might well have been other confounding factors that would explain the artery-thickening finding. Nonetheless, the researchers were surprised at the finding. And it seemed that the higher the dose of ascorbic acid, the worse the artery damage (the more they took, the faster the buildup). In fact, smokers taking 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a rate of artery thickening five times greater than nonsmokers not taking the supplement. And while no one is sure what this all means, the researchers did come up with some common sense ideas about fractionated supplementation. The director of the study astutely observed that when you extract one component of food and give it at very high levels, you just don't know what you are doing to the system, and it may be adverse. Other researchers were quick to add that the research shows the uncertainties of picking out a single vitamin among the plethora of nutrients in a healthy diet. They added that it is a challenge to pick out nutrients that may make people live longer because if we are wrong, we can do harm ___ http://www.medical-library.net/vitamin_c_and_vascular_disease.html Animals In The Wild Do Not Get Heart Attacks The process of atherosclerosis is limited to humans. Animals in the wild do not develop atherosclerosis, therefore no heart attacks and no strokes occur among these citizens of nature. To induce an animal to have atherosclerosis you have to put it in captivity and feed it the kind of diet which humans use to cause the problem. The guinea pig and fruit bat make good models, if this is what you want to do. The gorilla would make a good model, but who wants fifty gorillas lined up in a laboratory? Animals in the wild do not get heart attacks because they make their own ascorbate, and therefore the process of atherosclerosis does not begin. We humans could take the hint, load up on vitamin C and a few other vitamins twice each day for life and eradicate heart disease. This is already happening in the U.S. where ascorbate consumption has skyrocketed over the past 25 years, and heart disease has dropped by one third. The war against smoking may also have something to do with this, yet in countries where smoking has declined in the absence of increased ascorbate consumption, there has been no equivalent change in heart disease rates. All The Known Actions of Ascorbate 1. Increases HDL (high density lipoprotein) production. (HDL is able to help resorb fat located in plaque. In the process it changes from a disc shape to a globular form of HDL, and takes this fat to the liver to be burned.) 2. Decreases the production of lipoprotein(a). (Somehow the liver knows when there is plenty of ascorbate on board, and therefore no need for high levels of
Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
Hi Steve, I don't remember the answer to your question but I do remember the book in which I believe I read a good criticism of this particular study, possibly, and other similar studies which, according to the book's authors, Drs. Steve Hickey and Hilary Roberts, have critical flaws in their design or interpretation. The book is named Ascorbate, The Science of Vitamin C. Also worth the read, on the same subject, is Curing the Incurable...Vitamin C, Infectious Diseases and Toxins, written by Thomas E. Levy. MD, JD. Reading one or both of these books, should set your mind at ease on this matter and clarify things considerably. Sorry I couldn't clear it up on the spot but you'll probably enjoy these books regardless and get a lot out of them. I hope this helps, Peter - Original Message - From: Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 6:07 PM Subject: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries I sent this once but received back an error message. Trying again. I ran across the following info that says that Vitamin C may cause hardening of the arteries. I am used to seeing info saying that Vitamin C is good for the arteries such as the link further down. I don't take very high doses of Vitamin C, 500 - 1000 mg, but now I am concerned. Anyone have better data? Thanks, - Steve N ___ http://altmedangel.com/arteries.htm Ascorbic Acid Causes Hardening of the Arteries? It seems hardly likely that taking high doses of vitamin C (ascorbic acid) can cause thickening or hardening of the arteries since so many people have taken high doses for a long time. Yet researchers from the University of California reported just that on March 2, 2000. People who took 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a 2.5 times faster progression of thickening of the carotid artery (hardening of the arteries) than people who took no supplement. This study was not a clinical study where subjects are divided into those taking ascorbic acid and those taking a placebo. This was an epidemiological study which means patient records were examined and this finding popped up. There might well have been other confounding factors that would explain the artery-thickening finding. Nonetheless, the researchers were surprised at the finding. And it seemed that the higher the dose of ascorbic acid, the worse the artery damage (the more they took, the faster the buildup). In fact, smokers taking 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a rate of artery thickening five times greater than nonsmokers not taking the supplement. And while no one is sure what this all means, the researchers did come up with some common sense ideas about fractionated supplementation. The director of the study astutely observed that when you extract one component of food and give it at very high levels, you just don't know what you are doing to the system, and it may be adverse. Other researchers were quick to add that the research shows the uncertainties of picking out a single vitamin among the plethora of nutrients in a healthy diet. They added that it is a challenge to pick out nutrients that may make people live longer because if we are wrong, we can do harm ___ http://www.medical-library.net/vitamin_c_and_vascular_disease.html Animals In The Wild Do Not Get Heart Attacks The process of atherosclerosis is limited to humans. Animals in the wild do not develop atherosclerosis, therefore no heart attacks and no strokes occur among these citizens of nature. To induce an animal to have atherosclerosis you have to put it in captivity and feed it the kind of diet which humans use to cause the problem. The guinea pig and fruit bat make good models, if this is what you want to do. The gorilla would make a good model, but who wants fifty gorillas lined up in a laboratory? Animals in the wild do not get heart attacks because they make their own ascorbate, and therefore the process of atherosclerosis does not begin. We humans could take the hint, load up on vitamin C and a few other vitamins twice each day for life and eradicate heart disease. This is already happening in the U.S. where ascorbate consumption has skyrocketed over the past 25 years, and heart disease has dropped by one third. The war against smoking may also have something to do with this, yet in countries where smoking has declined in the absence of increased ascorbate consumption, there has been no equivalent change in heart disease rates. All The Known Actions of Ascorbate 1. Increases HDL (high density lipoprotein) production. (HDL is able to help resorb fat located in plaque. In the process it changes from a disc shape to a globular form of HDL, and takes this fat to the liver to be burned.) 2. Decreases the production of lipoprotein(a). (Somehow the liver knows when there is plenty of ascorbate on
Re: CSVitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
Doesn't sound like a credible study. Low dosage Not even a clinical study group let alone double blind, just an examination of patient records. I'd draw no conclusions except someone needed to get published... Vitamin C is used to TREAT atherosclerosis. A discussion of this report: http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/152 Chuck What hair color do they put on the drivers licenses of bald men? On 1/11/2010 6:07:02 PM, Norton, Steve (stephen.nor...@ngc.com) wrote: I ran across the following info that says that Vitamin C may cause hardening of the arteries. I am used to seeing info saying that Vitamin C is good for the arteries such as the link further down. I don't take very high doses of Vitamin C, 500 - 1000 mg, but now I am concerned. Anyone have better data? Thanks, - Steve N ___ http://altmedangel.com/arteries.htm Ascorbic Acid Causes Hardening of the Arteries? It seems hardly likely that taking high doses of vitamin C (ascorbic acid) can cause thickening or hardening of the arteries since so many people have taken high doses for a long time. Yet researchers from the University of California reported just that on March 2, 2000. People who took 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a 2.5 times faster progression of thickening of the carotid artery (hardening of the arteries) than people who took no supplement. This study was not a clinical study where subjects are divided into those taking ascorbic acid and those taking a placebo. This was an epidemiological study -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
