subject:"RE\: CSwhere is everyone\?\/...TAITP\~WBSF\?"

So you think it would be ok to use the 3% sol - just put more in?   I must say 
I would prefer to do this because handling the 35% makes me rather nervous 
lol   I still have to use up nearly a whole bottle of the 35% one though, 
which is going to take some time I fear!  dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 20:39, sol wrote:

 Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 I did put in three drops of the 3% Dave and when it went grey, I put in some 
 more but it went nearly black!  I assumed it was because there is something 
 else in the 3%.  dee
 
  
 Despite claims of the purity of 35% peroxide, there ARE also other substances 
 in it, from manufacturing contamination. H202 is so highly corrosive it 
 leaches some of everything it touches into itself. I saw some analyses of 
 what exactly the contaminants are in the 35% H202, and so the claims of how 
 awful the stabilizers in 3% H202 are has never impressed me. Some brands of 3 
 % may have more or different stabilizers from other brands though. And unless 
 you test the 35% against the 3% in the equivalent strengths in the SAME batch 
 of CS it can't be said with certainty that the reason for the difference is 
 that one is contaminated and one is not. Even with stabilizers, peroxide 
 does weaken with age so it could also be the freshness or not of the 3%. H202 
 is unstable even with stabilizers added, LOL.Which is why I liked it as a 
 cleaner for pet urine stains on carpet--blot up the urine so far as 
 possible, literally pour on some peroxide (3%) walk away. Cover with towel if 
 pets will walk on the peroxide wet spot.
 The peroxide oxidizes the organic molecules in the urine, and as it does so 
 it degrades into water itself, leaving behind no odor of its own, and the 
 vanishingly small traces of stabilizers. Yeah, I'm a lazy cleaner, LOL.
 sol
 
 


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

I know we've done this before but I can't get my head round it at all I'm 
afraid.  My TDS meter reads 000 on my distilled water, which to me means that 
there is 0 dissolved substances in it.  I mean, I know there is probably some 
that are too small for the meter to read.  When I did my first batch of DW, I 
ran tap water through a Brita filter *before* distilling.  The water then read 
002 and when I distilled it again, it read 003!  I don't understand this but 
assumed it must have been *something* in the filter of the Brita vessel.  
Anyway, since then I followed Ode's advice and boil cold tap water (which reads 
at around 255 before distilling) then distill it - pouring off the first lot 
which comes through.  This finished product always reads 000 on the meter and 
has always produced consistently clear CS - until this latest incident with the 
yellowing.  I am convinced now that it is because I cleaned the rods wrongly.  
dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 21:06, sol wrote:

 
 - Original Message 
 From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
 
 I did put in three drops of the 3% Dave and when it went grey, I put in some 
 more but it went nearly black!  I assumed it was because there is something 
 else in the 3%.  dee
 
  
 I only ever had one batch do that, it went from very dark yellow, to cloudy 
 brown, to cloudy dark grey-almost black from adding peroxide. I suspect there 
 were a lot of very large silver particles in the batch to begin with. It was 
 so many years ago, and I did throw out that batch, but now wish I had 
 continued to add a bit of peroxide every couple days to see what would have 
 happened.
 It also may have been a batch that started with very bad distilled water, as 
 it was from before I had a test meter, and didn't realize how bad commercial 
 distilled water could be around here. I'm having very good results from 
 commercially sold distilled water these days...I think it comes from 
 a different source than it used to do.
 Because you are using a TDS, even testing your distilled water beforehand, 
 you could have very poor DW to start with, and the contaminants in the DW 
 could vary from time to time, batch to batch once in a while. I say that 
 because the commercial DW I'm using now with clear CS results is higher in uS 
 than the water I distilled myself (double distilling).
 Home distilling: to get clear finished CS the water had to be .2uS to .3 uS 
 if single distilled, or no higher than .4uS after double distilling.
 The commercial DW we're getting now is much higher--in fact the water from a 
 new jug I just opened read  5.0 uS. So I'm about to find out if that will 
 make yellow CS or not.
 It seems to me I have conclusive proof that it isn't just the uS reading of 
 the distilled water but also WHAT it is that is in the DW that is raising the 
 conductance.
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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

No I didn't sol - big mistake I think!  dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 21:07, sol wrote:

 Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 But I didn't have a problem when I used the tissue Dave--only when I used 
 the melamine pad!  I'm not going to clean them at all now though!  dee
 
  
 Now another question I just thought of: did you rinse the electrodes with 
 distilled water after using the melamine pad on them? If you already said, I 
 forgot..
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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

Oh Lord, me either!  Are these 'parts' ounces, i.e 10 ounces DW to 1 ounce HP?  
dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 21:15, sol wrote:

 Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 I intend to make some 3% from my 35% sol, so do you know how I do that?  I 
 mean, how much water would I put in to HP and do I need distilled water or 
 would tap do?  Thanks.  dee
 
  
 I'd use distilled water. 1 part 35% peroxide to 9 parts distilled water will 
 give you 3.5%, I think, or maybe it would be 1 part 35% peroxide to 10 parts 
 distilled water.LOL, math is not my strong point.
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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

Sorry David this seems complicated to me (math moron that I am)  I have a 
sixteen ounce bottle (used formerly to house 3% store- bought HP) and I want to 
know how much 35% HP to put in if I fill it with DW.  It has to be really 
simple I'm afraid lol dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 05:01, David Bearrow wrote:

 Oy. Look at it like this:
 35% = 100, divide both by 2
 17.5% = 50, divide both by 2
 8.75% = 25, divide both by 2
 4.375% = 12.5
 
 What that mean? You take the 35% peroxide and mix in an equal amount of
 water and it divides it in half making it 17.5%. If you started with 1/4 cup
 of 35% peroxide mix in 1/4 cup water. This gives you 1/2 cup of 17.5%
 peroxide. Mix in 1/2 cup of water to the 1/2 cup of 17.5% peroxide you just
 made. This gives you 1 cup of 8.75% peroxide. Mix in 1 cup of water to the 1
 cup of 8.75% peroxide you just made. This gives you 2 cups of 4.375%
 peroxide. To me thats close enough to 3.5%.
 
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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-14 Thread Ruth Bertella

How much easier can it be explained?   You dilute the 35% in half to get it 
down to the 17.5%.   You then dilute that in half to get it down to the 8.75%.  
Then dilute in half yet again to get to the 4.375%.  When I say dilute it in 
half, you add the same amount of distilled water to whatever your peroxide mix 
measure is (i.e., one cup DW plus one cup of whatever % peroxide mix you have = 
a half diluted mix from what you started with).

You may not have the convenience of using the 16 oz bottle for mixing the whole 
thing up, but you can use it to store some of the diluted mixture.

Ruth

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:07 AM
  Subject: Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?


  Sorry David this seems complicated to me (math moron that I am)  I have a 
sixteen ounce bottle (used formerly to house 3% store- bought HP) and I want to 
know how much 35% HP to put in if I fill it with DW.  It has to be really 
simple I'm afraid lol dee

  On 14 Apr 2010, at 05:01, David Bearrow wrote:

   Oy. Look at it like this:
   35% = 100, divide both by 2
   17.5% = 50, divide both by 2
   8.75% = 25, divide both by 2
   4.375% = 12.5
   
   What that mean? You take the 35% peroxide and mix in an equal amount of
   water and it divides it in half making it 17.5%. If you started with 1/4 cup
   of 35% peroxide mix in 1/4 cup water. This gives you 1/2 cup of 17.5%
   peroxide. Mix in 1/2 cup of water to the 1/2 cup of 17.5% peroxide you just
   made. This gives you 1 cup of 8.75% peroxide. Mix in 1 cup of water to the 1
   cup of 8.75% peroxide you just made. This gives you 2 cups of 4.375%
   peroxide. To me thats close enough to 3.5%.
   
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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

Sorry, it may be clear to you, but not to me.  What sort of container are you 
going to put this in?  I just want to be able to dilute it as I need it and 
keep the remainder in the freezer.  Surely, unless you use loads of H202 it 
would decompose fairly rapidly if diluted into this amount, because home-made 
would not have the stabilisers the shop bought kind has...I would have thought. 
 dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 14:59, Ruth Bertella wrote:

 How much easier can it be explained?   You dilute the 35% in half to get it 
 down to the 17.5%.   You then dilute that in half to get it down to the 
 8.75%.  Then dilute in half yet again to get to the 4.375%.  When I say 
 dilute it in half, you add the same amount of distilled water to whatever 
 your peroxide mix measure is (i.e., one cup DW plus one cup of whatever % 
 peroxide mix you have = a half diluted mix from what you started with).
  
 You may not have the convenience of using the 16 oz bottle for mixing the 
 whole thing up, but you can use it to store some of the diluted mixture.
  
 Ruth
  


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-14 Thread Ruth Bertella

Dee   get a 2 or 4 cup measuring cup.

Add 1/4 cup 35% H202 and 1/4 cup DW to the measuring cup  You now have 1/2 
cup liquid that would be 17.5% H202 now.

Now add another 1/2 cup DW to the mix in the same measuring cup...   you now 
have 1 cup of 8.75% H202.

Now add 1 cup of DW to the mix in the measuring cup...   you now have 2 cups of 
4.375%.

This should fit into your 16 oz. H202 bottle

Ruth

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:29 AM
  Subject: Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?


  Sorry, it may be clear to you, but not to me.  What sort of container are you 
going to put this in?  I just want to be able to dilute it as I need it and 
keep the remainder in the freezer.  Surely, unless you use loads of H202 it 
would decompose fairly rapidly if diluted into this amount, because home-made 
would not have the stabilisers the shop bought kind has...I would have thought. 
 dee

  On 14 Apr 2010, at 14:59, Ruth Bertella wrote:

   How much easier can it be explained?   You dilute the 35% in half to get it 
down to the 17.5%.   You then dilute that in half to get it down to the 8.75%.  
Then dilute in half yet again to get to the 4.375%.  When I say dilute it in 
half, you add the same amount of distilled water to whatever your peroxide mix 
measure is (i.e., one cup DW plus one cup of whatever % peroxide mix you have = 
a half diluted mix from what you started with).

   You may not have the convenience of using the 16 oz bottle for mixing the 
whole thing up, but you can use it to store some of the diluted mixture.

   Ruth



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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-14 Thread Richard Goodwin

Another way of looking at it:

Get a 12 oz container.  Put into it:

11 oz of water
1 oz of 35% h2o2

The result should be real close to 3% h2o2, assuming my arithmetic isn't bogus

Dick





From: Ruth Bertella berte...@lfdcbham.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 10:40:53 AM
Subject: Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

 
Dee   get a 2 or 4 cup measuring 
cup.
 
Add 1/4 cup 35% H202 and 1/4 cup DW to the measuring 
cup  You now have 1/2 cup liquid that would be 17.5% H202 
now.
 
Now add another 1/2 cup DW to the mix in the same 
measuring cup...   you now have 1 cup of 8.75% H202.
 
Now add 1 cup of DW to the mix in the measuring 
cup...   you now have 2 cups of 4.375%.
 
This should fit into your 16 oz. H202 
bottle
 
Ruth
 
- Original Message - 
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 9:29 
  AM
Subject: Re: CSwhere is 
  everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

Sorry, it may be clear to you, but not to me.  What sort 
  of container are you going to put this in?  I just want to be able to 
  dilute it as I need it and keep the remainder in the freezer.  Surely, 
  unless you use loads of H202 it would decompose fairly rapidly if diluted 
 into 
  this amount, because home-made would not have the stabilisers the shop 
 bought 
  kind has...I would have thought.  dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 14:59, 
  Ruth Bertella wrote:

 How much easier can it be 
  explained?   You dilute the 35% in half to get it down to the 
  17.5%.   You then dilute that in half to get it down to the 
  8.75%.  Then dilute in half yet again to get to the 4.375%.  When I 
  say dilute it in half, you add the same amount of distilled water to 
 whatever 
  your peroxide mix measure is (i.e., one cup DW plus one cup of whatever % 
  peroxide mix you have = a half diluted mix from what you started 
  with).
  
 You may not have the convenience of using the 16 
  oz bottle for mixing the whole thing up, but you can use it to store some of 
  the diluted mixture.
  
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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-14 Thread Tony Moody

Dee, 

You are quite correct in guessing that the melamine pad is the culprit 
casuing yellow EIS. That sort of kitchen aid often has soapy surfactant 
substances designed to be longlasting and effective at cleaning . but the 
surfactants and detergents, even at very small proportions, cause 
problems when making EIS . 

OK,
Tony

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Subject : Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP

 No I didn't sol - big mistake I think!  dee
 
 On 13 Apr 2010, at 21:07, sol wrote:
 
  Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
  But I didn't have a problem when I used the tissue Dave--only when I
 used the melamine pad!  I'm not going to clean them at all now though! 
 dee
  
   
  Now another question I just thought of: did you rinse the electrodes
 with distilled water after using the melamine pad on them? If you
 already said, I forgot..
  sol
  
  
 
 
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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

So you think it would be ok to use the 3% sol - just put more in?   I must say I 
would prefer to do this because handling the 35% makes me rather nervous lol  
 I still have to use up nearly a whole bottle of the 35% one though, which is going 
to take some time I fear!  dee
  
*I* think it is ok to use 3%. But keep in mind I'm in a minority on that 
opinion. My opinion is influenced by the analysis of one brand of 35% 
that I read online a few years ago (no additives in that brand so all 
contaminants were native to the product). Plus my opinion is also 
influenced by the fact that even 3% peroxide on my skin straight burns 
me, and I am scared of the 35%. Third influence is that my husband won't 
have the 35% in the house.I am terminally clumsy, and have 
tendon and joint problems in my  hands to boot, so any substance of such 
potential for damage is an accident waiting to happen with me handling it.

sol


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Ode, pls read and comment, was Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
I know we've done this before but I can't get my head round it at all I'm afraid. My TDS meter reads 000 on my distilled water, which to me means that there is 0 dissolved substances in it.
Ode can correct me if I am wrong, but with a TDS, I think a reading of
000 can have up to 2.0 uS in conductance. Because of the scale the
meter reads at. That is a LOT when it comes to making CS, if the lot
is something that has a big affect on CS making.
A PWT meter reads in tenths of a microsiemen so it can read down to .1
microsiemen (uS). I was just lucky that I chose the more expensive PWT
over a TDS (from reading about both on this list) because for conditions
here, I had to have distilled water of .2 to .3 uS in order to make
clear CS (again I could go to .4 if the water had been distilled twice).
A reading of 000 on a TDS, if it happened to actually be 2.0 uS would
have made very dark yellow CS for me.

I got my meter before I got a distiller, and similar very low uS
readings were necessary for commercial DW. In retrospect, I believe the
DW sold here then was produced locally, which means from the same water
I distilled myself with my home still. Now, all brands of DW sold here
are produced in SLC, Utah, and I just made a gallon batch yesterday with
water that read 5 uS which is still clear after sitting overnight. This
is what tells me it is WHAT is in the water as much or more than it is a
matter of what the uS reading is.

Amazing.
sol

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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

No I didn't sol - big mistake I think!  dee
  

LOL, I'd say so!
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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

Well done Ruth--I think I've got it!  dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 15:40, Ruth Bertella wrote:

 Dee   get a 2 or 4 cup measuring cup.
  
 Add 1/4 cup 35% H202 and 1/4 cup DW to the measuring cup  You now have 
 1/2 cup liquid that would be 17.5% H202 now.
  
 Now add another 1/2 cup DW to the mix in the same measuring cup...   you now 
 have 1 cup of 8.75% H202.
  
 Now add 1 cup of DW to the mix in the measuring cup...   you now have 2 cups 
 of 4.375%.
  
 This should fit into your 16 oz. H202 bottle
  
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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

Ah, now *this* I can understand!  You see, we don't measure in 'cups' here in 
the UK (although you could use a teacup I suppose) its all ounces, or mls and 
litres.  thanks Dick.  dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 15:46, Richard Goodwin wrote:

 Another way of looking at it:
 
 Get a 12 oz container.  Put into it:
 
 11 oz of water
 1 oz of 35% h2o2
 
 The result should be real close to 3% h2o2, assuming my arithmetic isn't bogus
 
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Re: Ode, pls read and comment, was Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

I'll probably end up getting one of those one day, just to see what it really 
is, but as long as my CS goes back to the way it was before the rods 'incident' 
I wont bother for a while.  dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 17:32, sol wrote:

 Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 
 A PWT meter reads in tenths of a microsiemen so it can read down to .1 
 microsiemen (uS). I was just lucky that I chose the more expensive PWT over a 
 TDS (from reading about both on this list) because for conditions here, I had 
 to have distilled water of .2 to .3 uS in order to make clear CS (again I 
 could go to .4 if the water had been distilled twice). A reading of 000 on 
 a TDS, if it happened to actually be 2.0 uS would have made very dark yellow 
 CS for me.
 


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-14 Thread Richard Goodwin

Hahaha -- ah yes, the old conversion problem.  I can't remember half of them 
myself.  So you can also use ANY volume measure or weight measure in this case. 
 

How about bushels?  Or cubic cubits if you have a dumptruck handy?

Had a physics class once where people got in a kerfuffle about whether to use 
miles per hour or kilometers per hour, so finally the prof said he didn't care 
what units we put our answers in as long as the number was correct for the 
units.  So some of us got together and worked out how to convert speeds to 
furlongs per fortnight...

Dick





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From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wed, April 14, 2010 2:03:18 PM
Subject: Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

Ah, now *this* I can understand!  You see, we don't measure in 'cups' here in 
the UK (although you could use a teacup I suppose) its all ounces, or mls and 
litres.  thanks Dick.  dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 15:46, Richard Goodwin wrote:

 Another way of looking at it:
 
 Get a 12 oz container.  Put into it:
 
 11 oz of water
 1 oz of 35% h2o2
 
 The result should be real close to 3% h2o2, assuming my arithmetic isn't bogus
 
 Dick
 


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

Ooh don't, sol!  This is what bothers me I have to say--I don't really like 
handling things like this, and I hate a load of messing about with things.  I'd 
much rather just pour it out and get on with it, with no worries.  Its bad 
enough with all the fiddling about with the liposomal Vit C!  My hubby thinks 
he's living with either a witch or an alchemist!  dee

On 14 Apr 2010, at 17:18, sol wrote:

 Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 So you think it would be ok to use the 3% sol - just put more in?   I must 
 say I would prefer to do this because handling the 35% makes me rather 
 nervous lol   I still have to use up nearly a whole bottle of the 35% one 
 though, which is going to take some time I fear!  dee
  
 *I* think it is ok to use 3%. But keep in mind I'm in a minority on that 
 opinion. My opinion is influenced by the analysis of one brand of 35% that I 
 read online a few years ago (no additives in that brand so all contaminants 
 were native to the product). Plus my opinion is also influenced by the fact 
 that even 3% peroxide on my skin straight burns me, and I am scared of the 
 35%. Third influence is that my husband won't have the 35% in the 
 house.I am terminally clumsy, and have tendon and joint problems 
 in my  hands to boot, so any substance of such potential for damage is an 
 accident waiting to happen with me handling it.
 sol
 
 


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Re: Ode, pls read and comment, was Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

I'll probably end up getting one of those one day, just to see what it really 
is, but as long as my CS goes back to the way it was before the rods 'incident' 
I wont bother for a while.  dee

  
Since you almost certainly just had a one time contamination problem, 
you can go back to not needing one!

sol


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-14 Thread cking001

Take a shot glass.
Fill once with your 35% peroxide.
Pour it into your storage jar.

Now pour 11 shot glassfuls of distilled water in the same container.

Viola, walla??? Wallmart???

Chuck
I'm sure it's clearly explained in the Zmodem DOC's



On 4/14/2010 10:29:14 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote:
 Sorry, it may be clear to you, but not to me.  What sort of container are
 you going to put this in?  I just want to be able to dilute it as I need
 it and keep the remainder in the freezer.  Surely, unless you use loads of
 H202 it would decompose fairly rapidly if diluted into this amount,
 because home-made would not have the stabilisers the shop bought kind has...
 I would have thought.  dee
 
 On 14 Apr 2010, at 14:59, Ruth Bertella wrote:
 
  How much easier can it be explained?   You dilute the 35% in half to get
 it down to the 17.5%.   You then dilute that in half to get it down to the
 8.75%.  Then dilute in half yet again to get to the 4.375%.  When I say
 dilute it in half, you add the same amount of distilled water to whatever
 your peroxide mix measure is (i.e., one cup DW plus one cup of whatever %
 peroxide mix you have = a half diluted mix from what you started with).
 
  You may not have the convenience of using the 16 oz bottle for mixing
 the whole thing up, but you can use it to store some of the diluted mixture.
 
 
  Ruth
 
 
 
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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-14 Thread Del

Sol, you are correct.  35% H2O2 is dangerous.  I usually handle it only with 
rubber (dishwashing) gloves on.
However, I once got some on my fingers, which turned white, but I quickly 
rinsed them with water and they were soon perfectly ok again.  Above all, 
never get it in your eyes, and keep it out of the reach of children.


Why do I have it?  Because I have found that adding about a cup or cup and a 
half to my bath for a long soak has noticeable benefits, especially if I 
feel a cold or flu coming on (again, don't get the bath water in the eyes). 
I do that in addition to drinking extra CS.  I also put Epsom salts in the 
bath with the h2o2.


Dee, 11 to 1 is the correct ratio for turning 35% to 3%.
Take a 1/4 cup measurer (that should be 2 oz), fill it with 35% h2o2, put it 
in a 24 oz bottle (mason jar?), then fill the jar the rest of the way with 
distilled water.  That should be a 3% solution. But watch out, because three 
percent of real h2o2 is much livelier (read more active) than 3% from the 
drug store based on my experience.  It will turn your skin white if given a 
chance, but that is not damaging, just rinse it off and it will soon return 
to normal.  Drug store h2o2 will do that too, just not as readily.  By the 
way, 35% should be refrigerated to maintain potency, but I have kept it in 
my basement during the summer and it did not weaken noticeably - however, 
you need to leave the top loose so that it can outgas, otherwise you might 
have an exploding bottle.


Del
- Original Message - 
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com

Plus my opinion is also
influenced by the fact that even 3% peroxide on my skin straight burns me, 
and I am scared of the 35%. Third influence is that my husband won't have 
the 35% in the house.I am terminally clumsy, and have tendon 
and joint problems in my  hands to boot, so any substance of such 
potential for damage is an accident waiting to happen with me handling it.

sol





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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?


Del wrote:
Sol, you are correct.  35% H2O2 is dangerous.  I usually handle it 
only with rubber (dishwashing) gloves on.
However, I once got some on my fingers, which turned white, but I 
quickly rinsed them with water and they were soon perfectly ok again.  
Grocery store 3% does that to my fingers, and rinsing quickly doesn't 
seem to help that much, while the finger skin is white, it is not 
exactly painful but is tender.
Funny, because I can use 3% straight in my ears, and that doesn't bother 
me at all, but then I usually only do once. Perhaps if I used it in ears 
often it would burn that skin too.

sol


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-13 Thread Dok Dallas





SECOND-POSTING First Time was Too-Long to Go...so, Trimmed it Back Some.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Hi Dee, Annie, (...others Fearing; Body-Snatch/Brain-Drain, 
Alien-Invasionetc.)
[IF NO SENSE-OF-HUMOR FOR...BRAIN-FARTS...SKIP DOWN...OR DELETE]
Trust ME, after Reading through Comedy~Seisure...SERIOUS-STUFF...BELOW!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Get Excited...when someone asking 'questions' like...Where, are-People-Hiding?
WATT's...GOING-ON Here? Why, wasn't I Informed-Earlier...Better turn-on TV..!!!
 
Now OK...since MEMBERS Posting...and late-word from Home-Land-Defense of
(rumors) and LIVE-SAT-DATA/(LSD)  TACTICAL-ASSESSMENT/(TA) by; CIA
FBI, KGB, MI5, BBC, FDA, FTC, PGA, NBA, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, ETC...OK!
 
As (some) may-recall...after the 911-ATTACK(s) in USA few years ago...Security
needed to be upgraded and NEW measures implemented...using the latest HIGH
TECH/(State-of-the-Art) Bio-Nano-Sensor to assist in [Surveillance  
Tracking].
BioSensor-Technology/(BS~T) and Nano~Nano's...from MORK/(Robin Williams)
OK, off-record...I'm (retired) Aero-Space/Engineer  50's~80's TV Sit-Com-Junky!
 
So Scientific-Research-Community/(SRC)  Aero-Space-Defense-Industry/(ASDI)
delivered Secret Satellite-Based-People-Tracking/(SBPT) System...April 1, 2010.
News Media, General Public...even General Electric/(company?) Left-in-the-Dark.
bUt Government...totally-concealed all Development Funding/(and Production) of,
what later became know by TS code-name as Welfare Program [TAITP~WBSF]?
 
When I first read Dee's where-is-everyone? posting...realized this would maybe
perhaps be best-timing I would ever-get, to (accidentally) share a BIG-SECRET?  
IF NEVER see me POST again...either 'Men-in-Black', or Mike~Dev...Got-to-me!
 
TAITP~WBSF deciphered: [Their-All-In-Their-Places~With-Big-Smiley-Faces] ;~}
LoL...My Kinder-garden teacher had kids singing song...with similar wording.g 
 
RX=SMILE
Dok Dallas
 
P.S. As to answering (potential) Real CS/EIS Issues...I'm no GURU, or SWAMI
so feel-free to SEEK 2nd Opinion G Ode saying-nothing...maybe a cover-up?
 
Dok's, been Brewing CS/EIS (16~17+ years)...early 199x's and slight YELLOW
and GOLDEN tint back-in-early 'DaZe'...was how we knew our BREW was-done
before using any trode-voltage ckt's, or EC/IONIC Conductivity Meters...to Buy?

If it's Clear-Yellow...trust it's (by optical-interference) off your larger Ag 
particles,
but if it's a CLOUDY Yellow (or any other Colors)...then lQQk for Real-Problem?
 
If you get Tyndall, using RED Laser, you have some-degree of (larger) Particles
and can-go-by what Neville said, about evaluating (brightness), for an-estimate?
(See Marshall has been posting-info on Particles-Size vs Photo-Spectrometry~) 
 
FYI: Using a Blue 405-nm Laser, or even Green LD...can-detect smaller...Size!
Have gone down to 385-nm (non-laser) light source, using special TRIX  PMT.
(Not sure Particle(s) Size PEAKING at 405 nm, but-maybe...Marshall knows?)
 
Adding few-drops of H2O2 to EIS (ONLY-24hr after Ending BREW cycle) it will
be able to trigger a CATALYTIC reaction with (metallic) Silver to Bust-Up stable
LARGER PARTICLE...back down in Size to smaller (one/two) Atom Particles?
Tyndall will become LESS apparent (using RED), but 405~Blue still Detecting!
 
As long as it's only-slightly Yellow (and don't Smell/Taste like P*ss), it's 
GQQD
to use for ANY application you wanted, but for INTERNAL use...It's UP-to user?
 
While Neville DOWN-under may G use reservations...I prefer, Splash-a-Dash
of 3% (food-grade) Hydrogen Peroxide into NIX Silver-Nuggets, to TINY  IONIC.
Never hurts to keep everything including Ag~electrodes LABORATORY KLEEN
as others mentioned, RINSE (x2) by DW after using H202  Q-TIP on Trode(s).
 
NOTE: Drug-Store (3%) Hydrogen Peroxide MAY...contain a little, Acetanilide?  
H2O2...clears Yellow  Free's-IONS..?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetanilide
In some parts of the World (other than USA)...may 
find Tin-salts...other...Stuff?
Back in 1800's Acetanilide was used like Aspirin...Close relative, to TYLANOL.
(Not sure how much, in bottle of 3% H2O2, but suspect NOT~HEALTH Issue?)  
 
FYI: I'm of IRISH/(Humor/Extrovert{;-}})  GERMAN/(Das-Engineer/Scientific!!!) 
CS in Irish-Wiskey  Beer...Pineapple, CoCoNut, Rum...for PinaColloidal G
Irish Whisky was introduced eons-ago...to keep US-Irish...from Rulling World?

Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-13 Thread Annie B Smythe


LMAO

Annie
Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Dok Dallas wrote:


SECOND-POSTING First Time was Too-Long to Go...so, Trimmed it Back Some.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Hi Dee, Annie, (...others Fearing; Body-Snatch/Brain-Drain, 
Alien-Invasionetc.)

[IF NO SENSE-OF-HUMOR FOR...BRAIN-FARTS...SKIP DOWN...OR DELETE]
Trust ME, after Reading through Comedy~Seisure...SERIOUS-STUFF...BELOW!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Get Excited...when someone asking 'questions' 
like...Where, are-People-Hiding?
WATT's...GOING-ON Here? Why, wasn't I Informed-Earlier...Better turn-on 
TV..!!!
 
Now OK...since MEMBERS Posting...and late-word from Home-Land-Defense of

(rumors) and LIVE-SAT-DATA/(LSD)  TACTICAL-ASSESSMENT/(TA) by; CIA
FBI, KGB, MI5, BBC, FDA, FTC, PGA, NBA, CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, ETC...OK!
 
As (some) may-recall...after the 911-ATTACK(s) in USA few 
years ago...Security

needed to be upgraded and NEW measures implemented...using the latest HIGH
TECH/(State-of-the-Art) Bio-Nano-Sensor to assist in [Surveillance  
Tracking].

BioSensor-Technology/(BS~T) and Nano~Nano's...from MORK/(Robin Williams)
OK, off-record...I'm (retired) Aero-Space/Engineer  50's~80's 
TV Sit-Com-Junky!
 
So Scientific-Research-Community/(SRC)  Aero-Space-Defense-Industry/(ASDI)
delivered Secret Satellite-Based-People-Tracking/(SBPT) System...April 
1, 2010.
News Media, General Public...even General 
Electric/(company?) Left-in-the-Dark.
bUt Government...totally-concealed all Development 
Funding/(and Production) of,

what later became know by TS code-name as Welfare Program [TAITP~WBSF]?
 
When I first read Dee's where-is-everyone? posting...realized 
this would maybe
perhaps be best-timing I would ever-get, to (accidentally) share 
a BIG-SECRET?  
IF NEVER see me POST again...either 'Men-in-Black', or Mike~Dev...Got-to-me!
 
TAITP~WBSF deciphered: [Their-All-In-Their-Places~With-Big-Smiley-Faces] ;~}
LoL...My Kinder-garden teacher had kids singing song...with 
similar wording.g 
 
RX=SMILE
Dok Dallas
 
P.S. As to answering (potential) Real CS/EIS Issues...I'm no GURU, or SWAMI

so feel-free to SEEK 2nd Opinion G Ode saying-nothing...maybe a cover-up?
 
Dok's, been Brewing CS/EIS (16~17+ years)...early 199x's and slight YELLOW
and GOLDEN tint back-in-early 'DaZe'...was how we knew our BREW was-done
before using any trode-voltage ckt's, or EC/IONIC 
Conductivity Meters...to Buy?
If it's Clear-Yellow...trust it's (by optical-interference) off 
your larger Ag particles,
but if it's a CLOUDY Yellow (or any other Colors)...then lQQk 
for Real-Problem?
 
If you get Tyndall, using RED Laser, you have some-degree of (larger) 
Particles
and can-go-by what Neville said, about evaluating (brightness), 
for an-estimate?
(See Marshall has been posting-info on Particles-Size 
vs Photo-Spectrometry~) 
 
FYI: Using a Blue 405-nm Laser, or even Green 
LD...can-detect smaller...Size!

Have gone down to 385-nm (non-laser) light source, using special TRIX  PMT.
(Not sure Particle(s) Size PEAKING at 405 nm, but-maybe...Marshall knows?)
 
Adding few-drops of H2O2 to EIS (ONLY-24hr after Ending BREW cycle) it will
be able to trigger a CATALYTIC reaction with (metallic) Silver 
to Bust-Up stable

LARGER PARTICLE...back down in Size to smaller (one/two) Atom Particles?
Tyndall will become LESS apparent (using RED), but 405~Blue still Detecting!
 
As long as it's only-slightly Yellow (and don't Smell/Taste like P*ss), 
it's GQQD
to use for ANY application you wanted, but for INTERNAL use...It's UP-to 
user?
 
While Neville DOWN-under may G use reservations...I prefer, Splash-a-Dash
of 3% (food-grade) Hydrogen Peroxide into NIX Silver-Nuggets, to TINY  
IONIC.

Never hurts to keep everything including Ag~electrodes LABORATORY KLEEN
as others mentioned, RINSE (x2) by DW after using H202  Q-TIP on Trode(s).
 
NOTE: Drug-Store (3%) Hydrogen Peroxide MAY...contain a 
little, Acetanilide?  
H2O2...clears Yellow  Free's-IONS..?  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetanilide
In some parts of the World (other than USA)...may 
find Tin-salts...other...Stuff?
Back in 1800's Acetanilide was used like Aspirin...Close relative, to 
TYLANOL.
(Not sure how much, in bottle of 3% H2O2, but suspect NOT~HEALTH Issue?)  
 
FYI: I'm of IRISH/(Humor/Extrovert{;-}}) 
 GERMAN/(Das-Engineer/Scientific!!!) 
CS in Irish-Wiskey  Beer...Pineapple, CoCoNut, Rum...for PinaColloidal G
Irish Whisky was introduced eons-ago...to keep US-Irish...from Rulling 
World?
 






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RE: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-13 Thread Neville Munn


Now you're touching on a subject that I've been pondering for a while but can't 
seem to find anything of value to read in the public domain.

 

You mentioned red laser becoming less apparant, but 405nm blue DOES show up.  
I'm still curious to know if there are any methods of home determination of 
particle size approximation using laser lights, red or green or blue or 
whatever other colour which *could* indicate a particular nm range in the 
colour spectrum.  If light can be used to determine approximate particle size 
is it possible one can make use of differing laser colours to approximate 
particle size in solution?

 

Praps you could help me out with this:

 

I got three red lasers, 

(1) 650nm+/-10 maximum output 1mW...{bright beam passing thru liquid}

(2) 650nm+/-10 maximum output 5mW...{beam of lesser brightness}

(3) 630-650nm maximum output 1mW{no beam at all}

 

Is there anything you can tell me regarding the differences in beam strength 
between these lasers, all shone thru the same solution?  Particularly the last 
one with no beam at all.

 

N.
 


Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 00:44:19 -0700
From: dokdal...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com










 
FYI: Using a Blue 405-nm Laser, or even Green LD...can-detect smaller...Size!
Have gone down to 385-nm (non-laser) light source, using special TRIX  PMT.
(Not sure Particle(s) Size PEAKING at 405 nm, but-maybe...Marshall knows?)
 

Tyndall will become LESS apparent (using RED), but 405~Blue still Detecting!
 
As long as it's only-slightly Yellow (and don't Smell/Taste like P*ss), it's 
GQQD
to use for ANY application you wanted, but for INTERNAL use...It's UP-to user?
 

 
  
_
View photos of singles in your area! Looking for a hot date?
http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/

Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

Hi Dok, thanks for the info (when I worked it all out vbg) I found that when 
I used store bought 3% HP it went a horrible smog grey - but this time I used 
the 35% and it cleared it up nicely.  dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 08:44, Dok Dallas wrote:

 SECOND-POSTING First Time was Too-Long to Go...so, Trimmed it Back Some.
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 Hi Dee, Annie, (...others Fearing; Body-Snatch/Brain-Drain, 
 Alien-Invasionetc.)
 [IF NO SENSE-OF-HUMOR FOR...BRAIN-FARTS...SKIP DOWN...OR DELETE]
 Trust ME, after Reading through Comedy~Seisure...SERIOUS-STUFF...BELOW!
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 Get Excited...when someone asking 'questions' like...Where, are-People-Hiding?
 WATT's...GOING-ON Here? Why, wasn't I Informed-Earlier...Better turn-on 
 TV..!!!
  


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-13 Thread Dave Darrin

Dee
  Since one drop of 35% is roughly ten times as much as one drop of 3% do
you suppose you might have the same results by putting enough of the 3% in
to equalize the difference?
Dave

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote:

 Hi Dok, thanks for the info (when I worked it all out vbg) I found that
 when I used store bought 3% HP it went a horrible smog grey - but this time
 I used the 35% and it cleared it up nicely.  dee

 On 13 Apr 2010, at 08:44, Dok Dallas wrote:

  SECOND-POSTING First Time was Too-Long to Go...so, Trimmed it Back Some.
  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
  Hi Dee, Annie, (...others Fearing; Body-Snatch/Brain-Drain,
 Alien-Invasionetc.)
  [IF NO SENSE-OF-HUMOR FOR...BRAIN-FARTS...SKIP DOWN...OR DELETE]
  Trust ME, after Reading through Comedy~Seisure...SERIOUS-STUFF...BELOW!
  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
  Get Excited...when someone asking 'questions' like...Where,
 are-People-Hiding?
  WATT's...GOING-ON Here? Why, wasn't I Informed-Earlier...Better turn-on
 TV..!!!
 


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-13 Thread Richard Goodwin

Depends on what else is in the 3% stuff -- if there are stabilizers or any 
other chemicals, that would really screw things up.

Dick





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Subject: Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

Dee
  Since one drop of 35% is roughly ten times as much as one drop of 3% do you 
suppose you might have the same results by putting enough of the 3% in to 
equalize the difference?
Dave


On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:

Hi Dok, thanks for the info (when I worked it all out vbg) I found that when 
I used store bought 3% HP it went a horrible smog grey - but this time I used 
the 35% and it cleared it up nicely.  dee


On 13 Apr 2010, at 08:44, Dok Dallas wrote:

 SECOND-POSTING First Time was Too-Long to Go...so, Trimmed it Back Some.
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 Hi Dee, Annie, (...others Fearing; Body-Snatch/Brain-Drain, 
 Alien-Invasionetc.)
 [IF NO SENSE-OF-HUMOR FOR...BRAIN-FARTS...SKIP DOWN...OR DELETE]
 Trust ME, after Reading through Comedy~Seisure...SERIOUS-STUFF...BELOW!
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 Get Excited...when someone asking 'questions' like...Where, 
 are-People-Hiding?
 WATT's...GOING-ON Here? Why, wasn't I Informed-Earlier...Better turn-on 
 TV..!!!




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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-13 Thread Dave Darrin

The way I do it there is no need for such methods but I'm just curious. Mine
is always clear without any added protocols. I use a sun tea jar and decant
through the spigot so that a good amount is left in the jar for seeding the
next batch. I use polarity switching for the stiring (set it and forget it).
Couldn't be easier. I never clean the jar or the electrodes as there is no
plating out in the jar or undue residue on the electrodes.
Dave

On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Richard Goodwin
dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Depends on what else is in the 3% stuff -- if there are stabilizers or
 any other chemicals, that would really screw things up.

 Dick

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 *Subject:* Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

 Dee
   Since one drop of 35% is roughly ten times as much as one drop of 3% do
 you suppose you might have the same results by putting enough of the 3% in
 to equalize the difference?
 Dave

 On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote:

 Hi Dok, thanks for the info (when I worked it all out vbg) I found that
 when I used store bought 3% HP it went a horrible smog grey - but this time
 I used the 35% and it cleared it up nicely.  dee

 On 13 Apr 2010, at 08:44, Dok Dallas wrote:

  SECOND-POSTING First Time was Too-Long to Go...so, Trimmed it Back Some.
  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
  Hi Dee, Annie, (...others Fearing; Body-Snatch/Brain-Drain,
 Alien-Invasionetc.)
  [IF NO SENSE-OF-HUMOR FOR...BRAIN-FARTS...SKIP DOWN...OR DELETE]
  Trust ME, after Reading through Comedy~Seisure...SERIOUS-STUFF...BELOW!
  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
  Get Excited...when someone asking 'questions' like...Where,
 are-People-Hiding?
  WATT's...GOING-ON Here? Why, wasn't I Informed-Earlier...Better turn-on
 TV..!!!
 


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

Hi Dok, thanks for the info (when I worked it all out vbg) I found that when 
I used store bought 3% HP it went a horrible smog grey - but this time I used the 35% 
and it cleared it up nicely.  dee

  
Have you taken into account that the 35% is over 10 times more 
concentrated than  the 3%? So to get the same clearing you would have to 
use a bit more than 10 times as much 3%

just wondering, you probably already tested that
sol


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?


Dave Darrin wrote:

Dee
  Since one drop of 35% is roughly ten times as much as one drop of 3% 
do you suppose you might have the same results by putting enough of 
the 3% in to equalize the difference?

Dave

I can't believe it, LOL. I waited and waited for someone else to mention 
the strength difference, and no one did, so I finally posted about it, 
only to have your post on the same subject be the next email in line 
after I sent mine.

silly me,
sol


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

I did put in three drops of the 3% Dave and when it went grey, I put in some 
more but it went nearly black!  I assumed it was because there is something 
else in the 3%.  dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 16:37, Dave Darrin wrote:

 Dee
   Since one drop of 35% is roughly ten times as much as one drop of 3% do you 
 suppose you might have the same results by putting enough of the 3% in to 
 equalize the difference?
 Dave
 
 On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:
 Hi Dok, thanks for the info (when I worked it all out vbg) I found that 
 when I used store bought 3% HP it went a horrible smog grey - but this time I 
 used the 35% and it cleared it up nicely.  dee
 


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

Me too Davenormally.  This has only happened the last two batches.  Usually 
I have no residue in the jar - which stays clean, and I only wipe the 
electrodes with a tissue as they have some grey mainly on one.  I too use 
reverse polarity.  dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 18:00, Dave Darrin wrote:

 The way I do it there is no need for such methods but I'm just curious. Mine 
 is always clear without any added protocols. I use a sun tea jar and decant 
 through the spigot so that a good amount is left in the jar for seeding the 
 next batch. I use polarity switching for the stiring (set it and forget it). 
 Couldn't be easier. I never clean the jar or the electrodes as there is no 
 plating out in the jar or undue residue on the electrodes.
 Dave
 


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-13 Thread Richard Goodwin

Exactly what happened to me.

Dick

- Original Message 
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, April 13, 2010 1:58:29 PM
Subject: Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

I did put in three drops of the 3% Dave and when it went grey, I put in some 
more but it went nearly black!  I assumed it was because there is something 
else in the 3%.  dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 16:37, Dave Darrin wrote:

 Dee
   Since one drop of 35% is roughly ten times as much as one drop of 3% do you 
 suppose you might have the same results by putting enough of the 3% in to 
 equalize the difference?
 Dave

 On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote:
 Hi Dok, thanks for the info (when I worked it all out vbg) I found that 
 when I used store bought 3% HP it went a horrible smog grey - but this time I 
 used the 35% and it cleared it up nicely.  dee

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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-13 Thread Dave Darrin

Dee
Apparently the tissue is your problem, as the making of paper products uses
many unknown (to me) chemicals that could leave some residual contamination.
Also a grey color on an electrode is a plus as it shows a roughness of the
electrode which promotes better removal of the silver by having more surface
area. I would rather have the silver in the brew than on a tissue.
Dave



On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote:

 Me too Davenormally.  This has only happened the last two batches.
  Usually I have no residue in the jar - which stays clean, and I only wipe
 the electrodes with a tissue as they have some grey mainly on one.  I too
 use reverse polarity.  dee

 On 13 Apr 2010, at 18:00, Dave Darrin wrote:

  The way I do it there is no need for such methods but I'm just curious.
 Mine is always clear without any added protocols. I use a sun tea jar and
 decant through the spigot so that a good amount is left in the jar for
 seeding the next batch. I use polarity switching for the stiring (set it and
 forget it). Couldn't be easier. I never clean the jar or the electrodes as
 there is no plating out in the jar or undue residue on the electrodes.
  Dave
 


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

No I didn't sol.  It just went darker each time I added a drop, but I didn't 
add anywhere near that amount.  I just assumed it had contaminants in it.  dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 18:36, sol wrote:

 Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 Hi Dok, thanks for the info (when I worked it all out vbg) I found that 
 when I used store bought 3% HP it went a horrible smog grey - but this time 
 I used the 35% and it cleared it up nicely.  dee
 
  
 Have you taken into account that the 35% is over 10 times more concentrated 
 than  the 3%? So to get the same clearing you would have to use a bit more 
 than 10 times as much 3%
 just wondering, you probably already tested that
 sol
 
 


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

But I didn't have a problem when I used the tissue Dave--only when I used the 
melamine pad!  I'm not going to clean them at all now though!  dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 19:15, Dave Darrin wrote:

 Dee
 Apparently the tissue is your problem, as the making of paper products uses 
 many unknown (to me) chemicals that could leave some residual contamination. 
 Also a grey color on an electrode is a plus as it shows a roughness of the 
 electrode which promotes better removal of the silver by having more surface 
 area. I would rather have the silver in the brew than on a tissue.
 Dave
 
 
 


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

2010-04-13 Thread Marshall Dudley

The strength of the Tyndall I, that is the intensity of the scattered 
light to the light beam is given by the following equation:


I = kNV^2/w^4

where N is the number of particles, V is the volume of each particle, 
and w is the wavelength of the light.  From this we can see the following:


If a particle doubles in diameter, its volume will go up by a factor of 
8, and the intensity of the Tyndall from that particle will go up by 8^2 
= 64, so the Tyndall goes up by the 6th power of the diameter.  However, 
if you are comparing the same ppm solutions with different particle 
sizes, the number of particles will go down by a factor of 8, if you 
double the size.  Thus the intensity of the Tyndall from two colloids 
with the same ppm, but a 2:1 difference in particle size will be 8:1, 
that is it will vary to the 3rd power.  That is why a bright Tyndall is 
usually more indicative of particle size than concentration.


Now for a typical colloid the wavelength, is more dramatic.  The 
intensity will vary inversely by the 4th power of the light's 
wavelength.  For example, if you take blue laser of 330 nm and a red one 
of 660 nm, that ratio will be 2:1, and the intensity of the Tyndall from 
them would be that the blue one would be 2^4 or 16 times brighter.


Now from this is appears that the ratio of light scattered from small 
and large particles will have the same ratio independent of the 
wavelength of the light.  This is true for the general case of most sols 
which are of non-conductive particles.  However silver and gold are 
different, being very good conductors, they have resonances, somewhat 
like an antenna.  As it turns out silver particles of the following 
sizes will have the following maximums on the Tyndall wavelengths:


38 nm - 470 nm
47 nm - 490 nm
90 nm - 560 nm
118 nm - 600 nm

The fwhm of these runs approximately 1/2 of their peak wavelength.

If you look at 
http://products.mercola.com/Images/home-tanning-beds/wavelength-chart.jpg 
to see what colors the wavelengths are we find that red and amber sill 
scatter much more by the 118 nm particles than the blue, and that for 38 
nm particles, they will scatter blue better.  From the chart I have the 
ratio is rather large, 5:1 for the 38 nm between blue and amber and 
almost 5:1 for the 118 between amber and blue.  Thus there is a 25:1 
difference between these two wavelengths and particle sizes. So it does 
appear by using different colored light, and Tyndall intensity, to get a 
crude handle on particle size and concentration over and above the 
color of the sol. Only problem is that when the particle sizes get 
below 30 or so nm, they both absorb and scatter UV light which cannot be 
seen at all.


Marshall



Neville Munn wrote:
Now you're touching on a subject that I've been pondering for a while 
but can't seem to find anything of value to read in the public domain.
 
You mentioned red laser becoming less apparant, but 405nm blue DOES 
show up.  I'm still curious to know if there are any methods of home 
determination of particle size approximation using laser lights, red 
or green or blue or whatever other colour which *could* indicate a 
particular nm range in the colour spectrum.  If light can be used to 
determine approximate particle size is it possible one can make use of 
differing laser colours to approximate particle size in solution?
 
Praps you could help me out with this:
 
I got three red lasers, 
(1) 650nm+/-10 maximum output 1mW...{bright beam passing thru liquid}

(2) 650nm+/-10 maximum output 5mW...{beam of lesser brightness}
(3) 630-650nm maximum output 1mW{no beam at all}
 
Is there anything you can tell me regarding the differences in beam 
strength between these lasers, all shone thru the same solution?  
Particularly the last one with no beam at all.
 
N.
 


Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 00:44:19 -0700
From: dokdal...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

 
FYI: Using a Blue 405-nm Laser, or even Green 
LD...can-detect smaller...Size!
Have gone down to 385-nm (non-laser) light source, using special TRIX 
 PMT.

(Not sure Particle(s) Size PEAKING at 405 nm, but-maybe...Marshall knows?)
 

Tyndall will become LESS apparent (using RED), but 405~Blue 
still Detecting!
 
As long as it's only-slightly Yellow (and don't Smell/Taste 
like P*ss), it's GQQD
to use for ANY application you wanted, but for INTERNAL 
use...It's UP-to user?
 
 





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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

I did put in three drops of the 3% Dave and when it went grey, I put in some 
more but it went nearly black!  I assumed it was because there is something 
else in the 3%.  dee

  
Despite claims of the purity of 35% peroxide, there ARE also other 
substances in it, from manufacturing contamination. H202 is so highly 
corrosive it leaches some of everything it touches into itself. I saw 
some analyses of what exactly the contaminants are in the 35% H202, and 
so the claims of how awful the stabilizers in 3% H202 are has never 
impressed me. Some brands of 3 % may have more or different stabilizers 
from other brands though. And unless you test the 35% against the 3% in 
the equivalent strengths in the SAME batch of CS it can't be said with 
certainty that the reason for the difference is that one is 
contaminated and one is not. Even with stabilizers, peroxide does 
weaken with age so it could also be the freshness or not of the 3%. H202 
is unstable even with stabilizers added, LOL.Which is why I liked it 
as a cleaner for pet urine stains on carpet--blot up the urine 
so far as possible, literally pour on some peroxide (3%) walk away. 
Cover with towel if pets will walk on the peroxide wet spot.
The peroxide oxidizes the organic molecules in the urine, and as it does 
so it degrades into water itself, leaving behind no odor of its own, and 
the vanishingly small traces of stabilizers. Yeah, I'm a lazy cleaner, LOL.

sol


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?

I intend to make some 3% from my 35% sol, so do you know how I do that?  I 
mean, how much water would I put in to HP and do I need distilled water or 
would tap do?  Thanks.  dee

On 13 Apr 2010, at 20:39, sol wrote:

 Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
 I did put in three drops of the 3% Dave and when it went grey, I put in some 
 more but it went nearly black!  I assumed it was because there is something 
 else in the 3%.  dee
 
  
 Despite claims of the purity of 35% peroxide, there ARE also other substances 
 in it, from manufacturing contamination. H202 is so highly corrosive it 
 leaches some of everything it touches into itself. I saw some analyses of 
 what exactly the contaminants are in the 35% H202, and so the claims of how 
 awful the stabilizers in 3% H202 are has never impressed me. Some brands of 3 
 % may have more or different stabilizers from other brands though. And unless 
 you test the 35% against the 3% in the equivalent strengths in the SAME batch 
 of CS it can't be said with certainty that the reason for the difference is 
 that one is contaminated and one is not. Even with stabilizers, peroxide 
 does weaken with age so it could also be the freshness or not of the 3%. H202 
 is unstable even with stabilizers added, LOL.Which is why I liked it as a 
 cleaner for pet urine stains on carpet--blot up the urine so far as 
 possible, literally pour on some peroxide (3%) walk away. Cover with towel if 
 pets will walk on the peroxide wet spot.
 The peroxide oxidizes the organic molecules in the urine, and as it does so 
 it degrades into water itself, leaving behind no odor of its own, and the 
 vanishingly small traces of stabilizers. Yeah, I'm a lazy cleaner, LOL.
 sol
 
 
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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?




- Original Message 
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org

I did put in three drops of the 3% Dave and when it went grey, I put in some 
more but it went nearly black!  I assumed it was because there is something 
else in the 3%.  dee

  
I only ever had one batch do that, it went from very dark yellow, to 
cloudy brown, to cloudy dark grey-almost black from adding peroxide. I 
suspect there were a lot of very large silver particles in the batch to 
begin with. It was so many years ago, and I did throw out that batch, 
but now wish I had continued to add a bit of peroxide every couple days 
to see what would have happened.
It also may have been a batch that started with very bad distilled 
water, as it was from before I had a test meter, and didn't realize how 
bad commercial distilled water could be around here. I'm having very 
good results from commercially sold distilled water these 
days...I think it comes from a different source than it used to do.
Because you are using a TDS, even testing your distilled water 
beforehand, you could have very poor DW to start with, and the 
contaminants in the DW could vary from time to time, batch to batch once 
in a while. I say that because the commercial DW I'm using now with 
clear CS results is higher in uS than the water I distilled myself 
(double distilling).
Home distilling: to get clear finished CS the water had to be .2uS to .3 
uS if single distilled, or no higher than .4uS after double distilling.
The commercial DW we're getting now is much higher--in fact the water 
from a new jug I just opened read  5.0 uS. So I'm about to find out if 
that will make yellow CS or not.
It seems to me I have conclusive proof that it isn't just the uS reading 
of the distilled water but also WHAT it is that is in the DW that is 
raising the conductance.

sol


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Re: CSwhere is everyone?/...TAITP~WBSF?


Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

But I didn't have a problem when I used the tissue Dave--only when I used the 
melamine pad!  I'm not going to clean them at all now though!  dee

  
Now another question I just thought of: did you rinse the electrodes 
with distilled water after using the melamine pad on them? If you 
already said, I forgot..

sol


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