Re: CS>GMO foods

[Sunwaterclear - Sunny]

Here's another great place for seeds and anyone wanting to get medicinal 
herbs.  Ships out of Oregon.   They will ship to Germany - read this rider - to 
International Customers, they specify certain European countries where they 
cannot guarantee arrival.. Germany is NOT one.  You want dried seeds anyway, 
not fresh ones.. as they wouldn't last the journey probably.


And there's no reason why they wouldn't pass customs as there probably isnt 
some law about buying seeds yet... it's just that so many of the seeeds 
available are tainted... so you've gotta look far and wide.

This place was recommended by my permaculture instructor Chuck Marsh who grows 
medicinal herbs and plants as well as unusual ones. He's been at it for 35 
years... and I trust his recommendations.

www.horizonherbs.com

They are also authors of a new herbal medicinal book.. sounds great, so I 
ordered it... I'm going to start making essaic tea... google that one...

with love
sunny
 
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From: Golden Aldi 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, March 9, 2010 2:29:44 PM
Subject: Re: CS>GMO foods

I wonder if the seeds would make customs over here in Germany, or if they would 
be returned to sender :-(
I guess I should just give the company a call before I spend time picking seeds 
to order.

We have, apparently, GMO butternuts, cause we've already tried 3 yrs in a row, 
to grow butternuts from the seeds taken from the squash we buy directly from 
the farmer. When I asked him what the deal was, why we never really got any 
decent squash, he told us he had to buy new seeds every year. I hadn't heard of 
Monsanto at the time, but it sure did click when I watched the movie about 
Monsanto.

Aldi


On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
 wrote:

So Not Man owns 90% of all seed genes.  Some of them are engineered to be 
sterile, so you have to buy and buy.. BTW Monsanto created DDT, Agent Orange 
and Aspartame.  Do you want such people in charge of what you eat?
>
>Seeds guaranteed non GMO and un So Not Man tainted.  Deadline for orders March 
>10
>
>www.fedcoseeds.com  If you are planting and haven't bought seeds yet, these 
>are the people to buy from!  No affiliations - wish there were!  
>
>with love and hope
>sunny
> 
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Re: CS>GMO gone OT

[Ode Coyote]

At 08:18 AM 3/9/2010 -0800, you wrote:

Ode,

   OK... not much difference really... but the right wingnuts control the 
Canadian government.

- Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: CS>GMO





  Hey, don't forget the communists !

ode


At 07:03 AM 3/8/2010 -0800, you wrote:

Leo,

Wow... the nazis/fascists are in control there too.  This must be 
opposed and stopped... they are on a program of eugenics to depopulate 
the globe.  These people are insane and dangerous.  I don't know what 
we can do as ordinary citizens, but their ruthless evil programs must 
be stopped at all costs.

- Original Message -



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Re: CS>GMO foods

[Ode Coyote]

  There is a big difference between GMO and Hybrids...but GMO seeds can 
also be Hybrids.


 Replant any seed taken from a mature Hybrid  plant and it won't generally 
breed true to the original Hybrid...you'll get a spread of the "naturally" 
combined genes.


 A GMO "spliced" genome is unique and won't de-hydridize, but often has a 
suicide gene spliced in that prevents germination into further generations.


On the other hand "Heirloom" seeds will stay the same from generation to 
generation, but don't have the advantages [or dis-advantages] of Hybrids.
 If you keep choosing the best of the second generation Hybrids over a few 
generations, you wind up with a decent Heirloom.

 The only way to keep a Hybrid true is to clone it with cuttings.

Your squash may or may not be GMO, but it is certainly a Hybrid.  ie "bred 
to have certain characteristics"  vs "engineered into a whole different thang"


ode



At 08:29 PM 3/9/2010 +0100, you wrote:
I wonder if the seeds would make customs over here in Germany, or if they 
would be returned to sender :-(
I guess I should just give the company a call before I spend time picking 
seeds to order.


We have, apparently, GMO butternuts, cause we've already tried 3 yrs in a 
row, to grow butternuts from the seeds taken from the squash we buy 
directly from the farmer. When I asked him what the deal was, why we never 
really got any decent squash, he told us he had to buy new seeds every 
year. I hadn't heard of Monsanto at the time, but it sure did click when I 
watched the movie about Monsanto.


Aldi

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
<<mailto:sunwatercl...@yahoo.com>sunwatercl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
So Not Man owns 90% of all seed genes.  Some of them are engineered to be 
sterile, so you have to buy and buy.. BTW Monsanto created DDT, Agent 
Orange and Aspartame.  Do you want such people in charge of what you eat?


Seeds guaranteed non GMO and un So Not Man tainted.  Deadline for orders 
March 10


<http://www.fedcoseeds.com>www.fedcoseeds.com  If you are planting and 
haven't bought seeds yet, these are the people to buy from!  No 
affiliations - wish there were!


with love and hope
sunny


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From: Golden Aldi <<mailto:goldena...@gmail.com>goldena...@gmail.com>

To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 2:23:52 PM
Subject: Re: CS>GMO foods

Steve,

It's not GMO involvement, that kills, but Monsanto's pesticides... its on 
the plant, in the soil and IN the plant.


Who owns ScienceDaily, anyway.

Aldi

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Steve G 
<<mailto:chube...@yahoo.com>chube...@yahoo.com> wrote:

There are two main theories about the bee population problem.

One is a nasty parasite - read about promising developments at this site 
- 
<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090414084627.htm>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090414084627.htm


There is also a theory that certain pesticides interfere with the 
honeybees' ability to find their way home.   Having some trouble finding 
a site for that.


No evidence of GMO involvement.

Steve

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, <mailto:djphe...@att.net>djphe...@att.net 
<<mailto:djphe...@att.net>djphe...@att.net> wrote:


From: <mailto:djphe...@att.net>djphe...@att.net 
<<mailto:djphe...@att.net>djphe...@att.net>

Subject: CS>GMO foods

To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:50 PM


Makes me wonder if the GMO food is what has affected the bee population?
Something to look into, if it's truly affecting mice and pigs this way.

Debbie





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Re: CS>GMO foods

[Golden Aldi]

I wonder if the seeds would make customs over here in Germany, or if they
would be returned to sender :-(
I guess I should just give the company a call before I spend time picking
seeds to order.

We have, apparently, GMO butternuts, cause we've already tried 3 yrs in a
row, to grow butternuts from the seeds taken from the squash we buy directly
from the farmer. When I asked him what the deal was, why we never really got
any decent squash, he told us he had to buy new seeds every year. I hadn't
heard of Monsanto at the time, but it sure did click when I watched the
movie about Monsanto.

Aldi

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 10:41 PM, Sunwaterclear - Sunny <
sunwatercl...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>  So Not Man owns 90% of all seed genes.  Some of them are engineered to be
> sterile, so you have to buy and buy.. BTW Monsanto created DDT, Agent Orange
> and Aspartame.  Do you want such people in charge of what you eat?
>
> Seeds guaranteed non GMO and un So Not Man tainted.  Deadline for orders
> March 10
>
> www.fedcoseeds.com  If you are planting and haven't bought seeds yet,
> these are the people to buy from!  No affiliations - wish there were!
>
> with love and hope
> sunny
>
>
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>
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> *From:* Golden Aldi 
>
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Thu, March 4, 2010 2:23:52 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>GMO foods
>
> Steve,
>
> It's not GMO involvement, that kills, but Monsanto's pesticides... its on
> the plant, in the soil and IN the plant.
>
> Who owns ScienceDaily, anyway.
>
> Aldi
>
> On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Steve G  wrote:
>
>>   There are two main theories about the bee population problem.
>>
>> One is a nasty parasite - read about promising developments at this site -
>> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090414084627.htm
>>
>> There is also a theory that certain pesticides interfere with the
>> honeybees' ability to find their way home.   Having some trouble finding a
>> site for that.
>>
>> No evidence of GMO involvement.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 3/3/10, djphe...@att.net * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: djphe...@att.net 
>> Subject: CS>GMO foods
>>
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:50 PM
>>
>>
>> Makes me wonder if the GMO food is what has affected the bee population?
>> Something to look into, if it's truly affecting mice and pigs this way.
>>
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: CS>GMO

[Bob Banever]

Ode,

   OK... not much difference really... but the right wingnuts control the 
Canadian government.
- Original Message - 
From: "Ode Coyote" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: CS>GMO





  Hey, don't forget the communists !

ode


At 07:03 AM 3/8/2010 -0800, you wrote:

Leo,

Wow... the nazis/fascists are in control there too.  This must be 
opposed and stopped... they are on a program of eugenics to depopulate 
the globe.  These people are insane and dangerous.  I don't know what we 
can do as ordinary citizens, but their ruthless evil programs must be 
stopped at all costs.

- Original Message -
From: <mailto:leoel...@telus.net>Leo Regehr
To: <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:31 AM
Subject: CS>GMO

Here is why the Canadian govt. is getting away with GM foods. Most all =
farm organizations, even organic organizations, rely heavily on =
government for recognition, public awareness, trade missions, testing, =
marketing, grants, subsidies, etc. To oppose the government then, is to =
threaten one's own financial life. For this reason, farm organizations =
have special persons designated as government liaison people - to keep =
the money coming.

So in Canada, when the Conservative government defeated a private =
members' bill to require GMO labels on imported foods, not one organic =
producers association objected. Not one. And one provincial organic =
producer organization (which relies heavily on federal program support) =
is headed by the campaign manager for a sitting rural MP (who voted with 
=

his government). One Ontario Indian band was told by the Canadian =
government, it would lose all their grant money if it allowed a debate =
on vaccines to proceed. The band dutifully cancelled the debate. It can =
be no different in the U.S. Get the picture?
Leo
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Re: CS>GMO

[Ode Coyote]

  Hey, don't forget the communists !

ode


At 07:03 AM 3/8/2010 -0800, you wrote:

Leo,

Wow... the nazis/fascists are in control there too.  This must be 
opposed and stopped... they are on a program of eugenics to depopulate 
the globe.  These people are insane and dangerous.  I don't know what we 
can do as ordinary citizens, but their ruthless evil programs must be 
stopped at all costs.

- Original Message -
From: Leo Regehr
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:31 AM
Subject: CS>GMO

Here is why the Canadian govt. is getting away with GM foods. Most all =
farm organizations, even organic organizations, rely heavily on =
government for recognition, public awareness, trade missions, testing, =
marketing, grants, subsidies, etc. To oppose the government then, is to =
threaten one's own financial life. For this reason, farm organizations =
have special persons designated as government liaison people - to keep =
the money coming.

So in Canada, when the Conservative government defeated a private =
members' bill to require GMO labels on imported foods, not one organic =
producers association objected. Not one. And one provincial organic =
producer organization (which relies heavily on federal program support) =
is headed by the campaign manager for a sitting rural MP (who voted with =
his government). One Ontario Indian band was told by the Canadian =
government, it would lose all their grant money if it allowed a debate =
on vaccines to proceed. The band dutifully cancelled the debate. It can =
be no different in the U.S. Get the picture?
Leo
-=
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Re: CS>GMO

[Dan Nave]

Now there's a thought...

Dan

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:29 AM,   wrote:
>
> Vote in 2010!
>
>  Bob Banever  wrote:
>
> =
> Leo,
>
>    Wow... the nazis/fascists are in control there too.  This must be opposed 
> and stopped... they are on a program of eugenics to depopulate the globe.  
> These people are insane and dangerous.  I don't know what we can do as 
> ordinary citizens, but their ruthless evil programs must be stopped at all 
> costs.
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Leo Regehr
>  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:31 AM
>  Subject: CS>GMO
>
>
>  Here is why the Canadian govt. is getting away with GM foods. Most all =
>  farm organizations, even organic organizations, rely heavily on =
>  government for recognition, public awareness, trade missions, testing, =
>  marketing, grants, subsidies, etc. To oppose the government then, is to =
>  threaten one's own financial life. For this reason, farm organizations =
>  have special persons designated as government liaison people - to keep =
>  the money coming.
>
>  So in Canada, when the Conservative government defeated a private =
>  members' bill to require GMO labels on imported foods, not one organic =
>  producers association objected. Not one. And one provincial organic =
>  producer organization (which relies heavily on federal program support) =
>  is headed by the campaign manager for a sitting rural MP (who voted with =
>  his government). One Ontario Indian band was told by the Canadian =
>  government, it would lose all their grant money if it allowed a debate =
>  on vaccines to proceed. The band dutifully cancelled the debate. It can =
>  be no different in the U.S. Get the picture?
>  Leo
>  -=
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Re: CS>GMO

[Sunwaterclear - Sunny]

Wow and how sad.   

Last night watched an episode of Little House in the Prairie.   Charles Ingalls 
got the chance to go to Chicago as rep of Walnut Grove at a national 
organisation for farmers/railroad conference.   He was put in a private 
compartment on the train, a suite in the plush hotel and wined and dined.. and 
then taken aside by a guy who said 'we'll make sure you get your grain lift at 
your local station'.  Ingalls was naively delighted.  

Later in his hotel room a 'lady of the night' knocks on his door saying she'd 
been sent by the head honcho.   He of course refuses.   Next day he goes to the 
conference and the same guy takes him aside saying 'so you'll be voting 'no' to 
state regulations?'.  

Ingalls looked confused and then he got it.   He stood up and spoke his mind at 
the farmers meeting, denouncing the bribery and giving up any chance of getting 
the much needed grain lift for the local train station.   He travelled home in 
the peasants carriage!

In this day and age his equivalent would probably have been blackmailed, gotten 
an incurable disease out of the blue or worse still too damned scared  to vote 
with his conscience for fear of losing dollars.

Not wanting to make waves has become a national epidemic, very similar to the 
one that swept Nazi Germany and occupied Europe.  

And it makes perfect sense that Irene Sendler, who rescued 2,500 Jewish 
children from the Warsaw Ghetto in her toolbox lost out on the Nobel Prize 
to Al Gore who, as someone so eloquently put it, got it for giving a slide show 
on the environment which cost zillions of carbon miles to make!

And the shingles marches on.. quite painful now and I'm awaiting various 
remedies recommended by all you wonderful listers, on here and elsewhere.   

sunny
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From: Leo Regehr 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 9:31:45 AM
Subject: CS>GMO


Here is why the Canadian govt. is getting away with GM foods. Most all =
farm organizations, even organic organizations, rely heavily on =
government for recognition, public awareness, trade missions, testing, =
marketing, grants, subsidies, etc. To oppose the government then, is to =
threaten one's own financial life. For this reason, farm organizations =
have special persons designated as government liaison people - to keep =
the money coming.

So in Canada, when the Conservative government defeated a private =
members' bill to require GMO labels on imported foods, not one organic =
producers association objected. Not one. And one provincial organic =
producer organization (which relies heavily on federal program support) =
is headed by the campaign manager for a sitting rural MP (who voted with =
his government). One Ontario Indian band was told by the Canadian =
government, it would lose all their grant money if it allowed a debate =
on vaccines to proceed. The band dutifully cancelled the debate. It can =
be no different in the U.S. Get the picture?
Leo
-=
---



  

Re: CS>GMO

[slickpicker]

Vote in 2010!

 Bob Banever  wrote: 

=
Leo,

Wow... the nazis/fascists are in control there too.  This must be opposed 
and stopped... they are on a program of eugenics to depopulate the globe.  
These people are insane and dangerous.  I don't know what we can do as ordinary 
citizens, but their ruthless evil programs must be stopped at all costs.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Leo Regehr 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:31 AM
  Subject: CS>GMO


  Here is why the Canadian govt. is getting away with GM foods. Most all =
  farm organizations, even organic organizations, rely heavily on =
  government for recognition, public awareness, trade missions, testing, =
  marketing, grants, subsidies, etc. To oppose the government then, is to =
  threaten one's own financial life. For this reason, farm organizations =
  have special persons designated as government liaison people - to keep =
  the money coming.

  So in Canada, when the Conservative government defeated a private =
  members' bill to require GMO labels on imported foods, not one organic =
  producers association objected. Not one. And one provincial organic =
  producer organization (which relies heavily on federal program support) =
  is headed by the campaign manager for a sitting rural MP (who voted with =
  his government). One Ontario Indian band was told by the Canadian =
  government, it would lose all their grant money if it allowed a debate =
  on vaccines to proceed. The band dutifully cancelled the debate. It can =
  be no different in the U.S. Get the picture?
  Leo
  -=
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Re: CS>GMO

[Bob Banever]

Leo,

Wow... the nazis/fascists are in control there too.  This must be opposed 
and stopped... they are on a program of eugenics to depopulate the globe.  
These people are insane and dangerous.  I don't know what we can do as ordinary 
citizens, but their ruthless evil programs must be stopped at all costs.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Leo Regehr 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 6:31 AM
  Subject: CS>GMO


  Here is why the Canadian govt. is getting away with GM foods. Most all =
  farm organizations, even organic organizations, rely heavily on =
  government for recognition, public awareness, trade missions, testing, =
  marketing, grants, subsidies, etc. To oppose the government then, is to =
  threaten one's own financial life. For this reason, farm organizations =
  have special persons designated as government liaison people - to keep =
  the money coming.

  So in Canada, when the Conservative government defeated a private =
  members' bill to require GMO labels on imported foods, not one organic =
  producers association objected. Not one. And one provincial organic =
  producer organization (which relies heavily on federal program support) =
  is headed by the campaign manager for a sitting rural MP (who voted with =
  his government). One Ontario Indian band was told by the Canadian =
  government, it would lose all their grant money if it allowed a debate =
  on vaccines to proceed. The band dutifully cancelled the debate. It can =
  be no different in the U.S. Get the picture?
  Leo
  -=
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Re: CS>GMO foods

[leslie]

That's smart thinking! Leslie
- Original Message - 
From: 

To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: CS>GMO foods


Howdy,

I have stored enough heirloom seeds to plant several acres.

Just Google search heirloom seeds.

Thank You

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Howdy,

I have stored enough heirloom seeds to plant several acres.

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Re: CS>GMO foods

[Sunwaterclear - Sunny]

Correction of facts. So Not Man did not create Aspartame.  They bought out 
Searle who did create it. Then they changed its name to Nutra Sweet and sold it 
on after making their load.   

And I feel sick. They have a philanthropic arm which travesties of all 
travesties uses the Ghandi quote 'we must be the change we need to see in the 
world'. That must mean they are a bunch of genetically modified, sterile, 
poisonous clones.. Call the CDC and quarantine the lot of them.

sorry, couldn't resist that one

http://www.monsantofund.org/asp/welcome.asp 

Most people don't know about Monsanto and their doings. So once again, I urge 
you pass on the information.. develop an elevator speech which you can use 
to people you meet in the supermarket.. 

And so to bed and my does of CS... goodnight all.. time to chill out with an 
episode or two of Little House on the Prairie!

 
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From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 4:41:28 PM
Subject: Re: CS>GMO foods


So Not Man owns 90% of all seed genes.  Some of them are engineered to be 
sterile, so you have to buy and buy.. BTW Monsanto created DDT, Agent Orange 
and Aspartame.  Do you want such people in charge of what you eat?

Seeds guaranteed non GMO and un So Not Man tainted..  Deadline for orders March 
10

www.fedcoseeds.com  If you are planting and haven't bought seeds yet, these are 
the people to buy from!  No affiliations - wish there were!  

with love and hope
sunny
 
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From: Golden Aldi 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 2:23:52 PM
Subject: Re: CS>GMO foods

Steve,

It's not GMO involvement, that kills, but Monsanto's pesticides... its on the 
plant, in the soil and IN the plant.

Who owns ScienceDaily, anyway.

Aldi


On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Steve G  wrote:

There are two main theories about the bee population problem.
>
>One is a nasty parasite - read about promising developments at this site - 
>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090414084627.htm
>
>There is also a theory that certain pesticides interfere with the honeybees' 
>ability to find their way home.   Having some trouble finding a site for that.
>
>No evidence of GMO involvement.
>
>Steve
>
>--- On Wed, 3/3/10, djphe...@att.net  wrote:
>
>
>>From: djphe...@att.net 
>>Subject: CS>GMO foods 
>>
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:50 PM 
>>
>>
>>
>>Makes me wonder if the GMO food is what has affected the bee population?
>>Something to look into, if it's truly affecting mice and pigs this way.
>>
>>Debbie
>> 
>


  

Re: CS>GMO foods

[Annie B Smythe]

Here's another:

http://www.arkinstitute.com/

Annie
Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh


Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote:


So Not Man owns 90% of all seed genes.  Some of them are engineered to 
be sterile, so you have to buy and buy.. BTW Monsanto created DDT, Agent 
Orange and Aspartame.  Do you want such people in charge of what you eat?
 
Seeds guaranteed non GMO and un So Not Man tainted.  Deadline for orders 
March 10
 
www.fedcoseeds.com <http://www.fedcoseeds.com>  If you are planting and 
haven't bought seeds yet, these are the people to buy from!  No 
affiliations - wish there were! 
 
with love and hope

sunny
 


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*From:* Golden Aldi 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Thu, March 4, 2010 2:23:52 PM
*Subject:* Re: CS>GMO foods

Steve,

It's not GMO involvement, that kills, but Monsanto's pesticides... its 
on the plant, in the soil and IN the plant.


Who owns ScienceDaily, anyway.

Aldi

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Steve G <mailto:chube...@yahoo.com>> wrote:


There are two main theories about the bee population problem.

One is a nasty parasite - read about promising developments at this
site - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090414084627.htm

There is also a theory that certain pesticides interfere with the
honeybees' ability to find their way home.   Having some trouble
finding a site for that.

No evidence of GMO involvement.

Steve

--- On *Wed, 3/3/10, djphe...@att.net <mailto:djphe...@att.net>
/mailto:djphe...@att.net>>/* wrote:


From: djphe...@att.net <mailto:djphe...@att.net>
mailto:djphe...@att.net>>
Subject: CS>GMO foods

To: silver-list@eskimo.com <mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:50 PM


Makes me wonder if the GMO food is what has affected the bee
population?
Something to look into, if it's truly affecting mice and pigs
this way.

Debbie







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Re: CS>GMO foods

[Sunwaterclear - Sunny]

So Not Man owns 90% of all seed genes.  Some of them are engineered to be 
sterile, so you have to buy and buy. BTW Monsanto created DDT, Agent Orange and 
Aspartame.  Do you want such people in charge of what you eat?

Seeds guaranteed non GMO and un So Not Man tainted.  Deadline for orders March 
10

www.fedcoseeds.com  If you are planting and haven't bought seeds yet, these are 
the people to buy from!  No affiliations - wish there were!  

with love and hope
sunny
 
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human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

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From: Golden Aldi 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 2:23:52 PM
Subject: Re: CS>GMO foods

Steve,

It's not GMO involvement, that kills, but Monsanto's pesticides... its on the 
plant, in the soil and IN the plant.

Who owns ScienceDaily, anyway.

Aldi


On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Steve G  wrote:

There are two main theories about the bee population problem.
>
>One is a nasty parasite - read about promising developments at this site - 
>http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090414084627.htm
>
>There is also a theory that certain pesticides interfere with the honeybees' 
>ability to find their way home.   Having some trouble finding a site for that.
>
>No evidence of GMO involvement.
>
>Steve
>
>--- On Wed, 3/3/10, djphe...@att.net  wrote:
>
>
>>From: djphe...@att.net 
>>Subject: CS>GMO foods 
>>
>>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:50 PM 
>>
>>
>>
>>Makes me wonder if the GMO food is what has affected the bee population?
>>Something to look into, if it's truly affecting mice and pigs this way.
>>
>>Debbie
>> 
>



  

Re: CS>GMO foods

[Golden Aldi]

Steve,

It's not GMO involvement, that kills, but Monsanto's pesticides... its on
the plant, in the soil and IN the plant.

Who owns ScienceDaily, anyway.

Aldi

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:11 AM, Steve G  wrote:

>  There are two main theories about the bee population problem.
>
> One is a nasty parasite - read about promising developments at this site -
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090414084627.htm
>
> There is also a theory that certain pesticides interfere with the
> honeybees' ability to find their way home.   Having some trouble finding a
> site for that.
>
> No evidence of GMO involvement.
>
> Steve
>
> --- On *Wed, 3/3/10, djphe...@att.net * wrote:
>
>
> From: djphe...@att.net 
> Subject: CS>GMO foods
>
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:50 PM
>
>
> Makes me wonder if the GMO food is what has affected the bee population?
> Something to look into, if it's truly affecting mice and pigs this way.
>
> Debbie
>
>
>

Re: CS>GMO foods

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

None that has been *reported* that is!  dee

On 4 Mar 2010, at 03:11, Steve G wrote:

> There are two main theories about the bee population problem.
> 
> One is a nasty parasite - read about promising developments at this site - 
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090414084627.htm
> 
> There is also a theory that certain pesticides interfere with the honeybees' 
> ability to find their way home.   Having some trouble finding a site for that.
> 
> No evidence of GMO involvement.
> 
> Steve
> 


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Re: CS>GMO foods

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

I am sure it is.  To me most man-made stuff is rubbish and causes problems one 
way or another and to mess about with the genetics of food, is nothing short of 
crazy!  dee

On 4 Mar 2010, at 02:50, djphe...@att.net wrote:

> Makes me wonder if the GMO food is what has affected the bee population?
> Something to look into, if it's truly affecting mice and pigs this way.
> 
> Debbie


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Re: CS>GMO foods

[Brickeyk]

 
In a message dated 3/3/2010 7:11:59 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
chube...@yahoo.com writes:

There  are two main theories about the bee population problem.

One is a nasty  parasite - read about promising developments at this site - 
 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090414084627.htm

There is  also a theory that certain pesticides interfere with the 
honeybees' ability to  find their way home.   Having some trouble finding a 
site for 
 that.

No evidence of GMO involvement



Two of my boys raise bees and belong to a bee club. They say that our area  
has never had a case of colony collapse, Puget Sound area. They buy bees 
from  Georgia/Texas. They have mite problems.
Brickey

Re: CS>GMO foods

[Steve G]

There are two main theories about the bee population problem.

One is a nasty parasite - read about promising developments at this site - 
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090414084627.htm

There is also a theory that certain pesticides interfere with the honeybees' 
ability to find their way home.   Having some trouble finding a site for that.

No evidence of GMO involvement.

Steve

--- On Wed, 3/3/10, djphe...@att.net  wrote:

From: djphe...@att.net 
Subject: CS>GMO foods
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 9:50 PM



Makes me wonder if the GMO food is what has affected the bee population?
Something to look into, if it's truly affecting mice and pigs this way.

Debbie



 



  

Re: CS>GMO SOY

[Clayton Family]

You talking about Round-up Ready soy?

There are commercials for that on Tv all the time here.

They have spliced pretty toxic chemicals into it to make it resistant 
to Roundup. A recent report from China I read somewhere said that the 
crops require as much pesticide as conventional crops within a few 
years, so the benefits don't last like the company says it should.


If you look into the expert (non-affiliated) opinions on it, the most 
probable effect is on allergic reactions- they would expect to see more 
allergic reactivity in response to consumption of genetically modified 
foods. I have not read much more than that from the official community.


On Mar 16, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Kurt Voitel wrote:


Hello: 

  

Just read the post CS>GMO corn causes liver, kidney problems in rats: 
study.


 

Read or heard that the change to corn as a staple crop by an early 
civilization started it’s decline and demise.


 

Wondering whether produces made from GMO Soy pose the same risk to us?

 

KV

 



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Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS Fight against Monsanto vaults farmer into spotlight

[Ode Coyote]

  A good man with the right attitude.
 Where do I send my donation?
Ken



At 08:28 AM 4/25/02 EDT, you wrote:
>From: http://www.theglobeandmail.com
>Fight against Monsanto vaults farmer into spotlight
>
>By KRISTA FOSS
>
>Monday, April 8, 2002  Print Edition, Page A3
>
>Monsanto did not know what it was getting into when it tried to teach Percy 
>Schmeiser a lesson.
>
>Two years after losing a patent dispute with the biotechnology giant, the 
>71-year-old grain farmer from Bruno, Sask., has taken his story -- and his 
>message about farmers' rights -- from Brazil to Bangladesh, from Australia
to 
>Austria.
>
>He has at least as many international gigs as boy band 'N Sync this year,
yet 
>the jet lag is not slowing him down.
>
>In the fall, he visited South Africa. In March, he was in Thailand. This
week 
>he kicks off a tour that will take him through Europe. Then he's off to 
>Seattle, followed by a spin through South America.
>
>"It has been pretty hectic," he said recently.
>
>Farmers groups, environmentalists and United Nations policymakers all want
to 
>hear Mr. Schmeiser's tale of being taken to court over the kind of canola 
>found growing in his fields four years ago.
>
>Some will pay his air fare and expenses to have him tell it in person (he 
>doesn't charge speaking fees.)
>
>And the next time this grandfather of 14 will be back home in Saskatchewan
is 
>mid-May, when a Saskatoon judge is to hear his appeal of the March, 2000, 
>ruling that made him an international folk hero.
>
>"Monsanto couldn't have picked a worse person to get into a fight with,"
said 
>Pat Mooney, the executive director of the Winnipeg-based technology watchdog 
>group ETC, who has seen Mr. Schmeiser speak at international forums.
>
>"He's articulate and emotional, and he always creates a stir when he tells 
>his story."
>
>Born and raised in Bruno, a farming community 90 kilometres northeast of 
>Saskatoon, Mr. Schmeiser has grown canola, wheat and legumes on 1,400 acres 
>of land for the last 47 years.
>
>In the last two years, it has become increasingly difficult for him to 
>maintain his packed travel itinerary and his grain farm. This year, he will 
>rent out most of his land to neighbours and cultivate just 300 acres himself 
>with the help of family.
>
>In 1998, Monsanto informed him he was infringing on their patent for a 
>herbicide-resistant strain of canola, called Roundup Ready, because they had 
>found it growing in his fields. He had not paid the necessary fees to 
>cultivate it.
>
>Mr. Schmeiser argued that the seed had blown into his field or had been 
>dumped there by accident, and that made Monsanto's patent invalid. Monsanto 
>wanted to settle out of court, but Mr. Schmeiser refused.
>
>A federal court judge ruled in March, 2000, that it was unlikely the
patented 
>canola ended up growing in Mr. Schmeiser's fields by accident and that he 
>must have knowingly harvested the patented strain without informing
Monsanto. 
>"What the judgment said was it doesn't matter how Monsanto seeds get into 
>your fields; it's their property. All the farmers' rights go out the
window," 
>Mr. Schmeiser said.
>
>The case cost Mr. Schmeiser and his wife Louise $200,000 in legal fees. To 
>pay, they mortgaged their land and gutted their retirement savings. But the 
>judge also awarded costs to Monsanto, which this fall asked for nearly 
>$1-million.
>
>"Sometimes we wake up in the middle of the night and ask ourselves, 'What
did 
>we get ourselves into? We could lose everything we worked our whole lives 
>for,' " Mr. Schmeiser said.
>
>But rather than sit at home and fret, Mr. Schmeiser has turned himself
into a 
>global poster boy for the rights of small farmers.
>
>Through his Web site (http://www.percyschmeiser.com), which touts his story 
>as "the classic David vs Goliath struggle," he has raised tens of thousands 
>of dollars to pay for next month's appeal.
>
>The site sports a photograph of him holding the Mahatma Gandhi award, 
>presented to him in Delhi in 2000 for his work promoting non-violent 
>improvement of humanity.
>
>Meanwhile, Monsanto Canada is resigned to losing the public-relations
battle, 
>as long as it wins in court.
>
>"We knew going into this that this was a no-win situation for us in the 
>public's eye. It has all the classic things that people can take a spin on," 
>said Trish Jordan, Monsanto Canada spokeswoman. "The bottom line is that
this 
>case for us is about protecting intellectual property. There are 30,000 
>farmers who use this technology in Canada and pay to use it."
>
>Ms. Jordan said the company is not at all worried about Mr. Schmeiser's 
>appeal and she noted he has not paid "one cent" of the costs owed to
Monsanto.
>
>But high-profile lawsuits against Monsanto are not likely to end with Mr. 
>Schmeiser's appeal.
>
>Earlier this year, the Saskatchewan Organic Directorate launched a 
>class-action suit against Monsanto and Aventis claiming that pollen drift
and 
>contamination from t

Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

[Ode Coyote]

  The info was from  a summation in Lloyd Pies book.
 He provides references but no specific connections to  particular
references, so, I can't tell exactly where he got it.
 A little more specifically, but short of a research paper, on page 289
there is mention of a mitochondrial DNA trace in a search for the source of
Indian, African, European and Near Eastern  cattle, again, no direct
linkage to a specific source for that study other than a bibiliography in
the book but they found a 'sudden' emergence of those cattle strains [I
assume the point being that they couldn't verify via DNA what those strains
emerged from]
 By what I 'think' I understand below, it would seen that no back crossing
or viable offspring produced by nature would seem to verify intelligent
interference, and that we have not been able to do it indicates that it
wasn't us that did. [if it happened]
 Sorry, I should have said "I heard/read" that such and such was the case
and there is as much doubt as to that stories validity as there is about
the theory of evolution, but it seems to be more credible and reasonable
and worth looking into further.
 I suppose one must be as wary of the 'fringe' as one is of the 'official'
view even if the official view is way full of holes and the fringe seems to
make more sense.
 Ken

At 05:30 PM 4/24/02 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi, I don't believe this is so; could you provide some references to back it
>up?  I'm aware that we share a considerable amount of genetic material from
>earlier life forms, such as fungi (see Stamets, Growing Gourmet and Medicinal
>Mushrooms 3rd ed. Ten Speed Press), but even if you count the universal
>presence of 'inactive' or 'non-significant' segments of dna in the genomes,
>I've read no evidence of inter-kingdom "back-crossing"of genetic material
>producing a viable line of offspring.  Viri can transfer genetic material to
>the cells of host species, and the infected host may continue to live, and
even
>thrive, but the attempt to transfer e.g., immunity  to successive generations
>by such techniques was not successful last time I looked.  You might be
>interested in some of the work done along this line for victims of cystic
>fibrosis.
>Thanks for whatever material you can provide;
>Malcolm
>
>Ode Coyote wrote:
>
>>   Mitochondrial DNA tracing indicates that most of the foods and
>> domesticated animals we use today were genetically modified at some time in
>> the distant past. {not just cross bred or hybridized}
>>  Ken
>>
>> At 08:52 PM 4/23/02 +1000, you wrote:
>> >I don't like extreme responses to anything unless hard evidence justifies
>> >it. Are you sure ALL GM foods are dangerous?
>> >
>> >Kevin Nolan
>> >
>> >- Original Message -
>> >From: "John Draper" 
>> >To: "silver-list" 
>> >Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:07 AM
>> >Subject: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS
>> >
>> >
>> >> TWO GENETIC ENGINEERING ACTION ALERTS
>> >>
>> >> (1) BIO GOES TO WASHINGTON: TAKE ACTION TODAY
>> >>
>> >> The Biotech Industry Organization (BIO), composed of Monsanto, Aventis,
>> >> Dupont, and other biotech corporations, will meet with House and Senate
>> >> representatives next week in Washington, D.C., to press an agenda of
>> >>
>> >> * more genetically engineered crops,
>> >> * no mandatory labeling of genetically engineered food, and
>> >> * government support for opening up foreign markets to these genetic
>> >> experiments
>> >>
>> >> Please urge your Senators and Representative to resist these
>> >> initiatives. Tell them that you don't want to eat genetically engineered
>> >> food!
>> >>
>> >> Please take action now. To send an email directly to all your
>> >> representatives, just visit
>> >>
>> >> http://www.truefoodnow.org/bin/takeaction.fpl?action_id=121
>> >>
>> >> and follow the instructions there. Please be sure to provide your
>> >> address and zip code so that you can receive a written response to your
>> >> concerns.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for your support.
>> >>
>> >> (2) CONTACT KRAFT FOODS TODAY!
>> >>
>> >> Kraft Foods is holding its annual shareholders meeting on Earth Day,
>> >> Monday, April 22. In concert with that event, thousands of concerned
>> >> Americans are contacting Kraft Foods to ask the company to remove
>> >> genetically engineered ingredients from its product line.
>> >>
>> >> Please contact Kraft Foods immediately by telephone or email to support
>> >> this initiative.
>> >>
>> >> BY PHONE: You can call Kraft at
>> >>
>> >> 1-888-560-4625
>> >>
>> >> Simply tell the staff that you would like Kraft Foods to remove
>> >> genetically engineered ingredients from its product line.
>> >>
>> >> BY EMAIL: You can email Kraft Foods directly by visiting
>> >>
>> >> http://www.thecampaign.org/kraft-earthday.htm
>> >>
>> >> and following the instructions there.
>> >>
>> >> Even if you have previously telephoned or sent an email message to Kraft
>> >> Foods, please telephone again and/or send another email now. Kraft Foods
>> >> needs to hear from concerned citizens

RE: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Most people choose to believe information that supports their concept of who
they are, and reject information that challenges that identity.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

 -Original Message-
From:   Kevin Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au]
Sent:   Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:18 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

The general citizenry is being asked to make a blanket stand on an issue
that is far from just black & white. Once you commit to something the strong
tendency is to then remain committed regardless of subsequent developments -
as evidenced in religious, political, even sporting allegiance. Fear and
disinformation abounds on both sides of this one. Dangers need to be
sensibly weighed against benefits. Political/corporate issues need to be
separated from the purely scientific/technological issues. A TEMPORARY
moratorium is something I would be resonably comfortable with. Forever
banning GMO tech is a 'king Canute' fantasy - the potential benefits are too
great - fears of being left behind by competitors will ensure this genie
stays out of the bottle. Best thing is to firstly get acquanted with all the
pro AND con arguments; eg
http://mars.cropsoil.uga.edu/~parrottlab/forum2.htm.

Kevin Nolan

- Original Message -
From: "Malcolm Stebbins" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS


> Well, I'll look for your elsewhere comments, but "Reckless behaviour ...
and
> unforseen adverse results ..." are exactly the reasons I WOULD urge a
blanket
> prohibition on the commercial exploitation of GMO's.  Commerce, which is
> roughly equivalent to 'big business' has demonstrated a terrifying ability
to
> ignore any indicator other than the dollar sign in its development,
production
> and marketing protocols, which have included the buying of  everything
from
> phony test results to governments (in whole or in part), the concealment
of
> evidence contrary to their monetary best interests,  subornation,
character
> assasination, "the Big Lie", the little lies, and sizes in between, and
general
> behaviour that would shame a banana slug.
> No, I do not want these jerks to have any more control over my life than
they
> already exert, in fact less; I consider them not only harmful, but evil in
the
> most coherent and acceptable definition of that word.
> Malcolm
>
> Kevin Nolan wrote:
>
> > Hi Gary,
> > Totally agree that labelling GM food as GM is a must .
That
> > is far from all that was asked though. What disturbed me was something
else
> > you wrote:
> >
> > "Please urge your Senators and Representative to resist these
> > >> initiatives. Tell them that you don't want to eat genetically
engineered
> > >> food!"
> >
> > To me that is urging an atavistic, blanket rejection of the very concept
of
> > GMO's. Reckless behaviour by greedy, irresponsible companies and
unforseen
> > adverse results from applying GM technology are NOT in my view grounds
to
> > throw the baby out with the bathwater. I comment more elsewhere on this
> > important topic you have properly raised.
> >
> > Kevin Nolan



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Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

[Kevin Nolan]

The general citizenry is being asked to make a blanket stand on an issue
that is far from just black & white. Once you commit to something the strong
tendency is to then remain committed regardless of subsequent developments -
as evidenced in religious, political, even sporting allegiance. Fear and
disinformation abounds on both sides of this one. Dangers need to be
sensibly weighed against benefits. Political/corporate issues need to be
separated from the purely scientific/technological issues. A TEMPORARY
moratorium is something I would be resonably comfortable with. Forever
banning GMO tech is a 'king Canute' fantasy - the potential benefits are too
great - fears of being left behind by competitors will ensure this genie
stays out of the bottle. Best thing is to firstly get acquanted with all the
pro AND con arguments; eg
http://mars.cropsoil.uga.edu/~parrottlab/forum2.htm.

Kevin Nolan

- Original Message -
From: "Malcolm Stebbins" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS


> Well, I'll look for your elsewhere comments, but "Reckless behaviour ...
and
> unforseen adverse results ..." are exactly the reasons I WOULD urge a
blanket
> prohibition on the commercial exploitation of GMO's.  Commerce, which is
> roughly equivalent to 'big business' has demonstrated a terrifying ability
to
> ignore any indicator other than the dollar sign in its development,
production
> and marketing protocols, which have included the buying of  everything
from
> phony test results to governments (in whole or in part), the concealment
of
> evidence contrary to their monetary best interests,  subornation,
character
> assasination, "the Big Lie", the little lies, and sizes in between, and
general
> behaviour that would shame a banana slug.
> No, I do not want these jerks to have any more control over my life than
they
> already exert, in fact less; I consider them not only harmful, but evil in
the
> most coherent and acceptable definition of that word.
> Malcolm
>
> Kevin Nolan wrote:
>
> > Hi Gary,
> > Totally agree that labelling GM food as GM is a must .
That
> > is far from all that was asked though. What disturbed me was something
else
> > you wrote:
> >
> > "Please urge your Senators and Representative to resist these
> > >> initiatives. Tell them that you don't want to eat genetically
engineered
> > >> food!"
> >
> > To me that is urging an atavistic, blanket rejection of the very concept
of
> > GMO's. Reckless behaviour by greedy, irresponsible companies and
unforseen
> > adverse results from applying GM technology are NOT in my view grounds
to
> > throw the baby out with the bathwater. I comment more elsewhere on this
> > important topic you have properly raised.
> >
> > Kevin Nolan



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Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

[Malcolm Stebbins]

Indeed??  Maybe I'm about to have my horizons widened via this thread, at the
expense of my ego (oh, well, not for the first time).  What do you mean?
Elucidate, Please!
Malcolm

"James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote:

> The same is true of man.
>
> James-Osbourne: Holmes
>
>  -Original Message-
> From:   Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net]
> Sent:   Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:55 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject:Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS
>
>   Mitochondrial DNA tracing indicates that most of the foods and
> domesticated animals we use today were genetically modified at some time in
> the distant past. {not just cross bred or hybridized}
>  Ken
>


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Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

[Malcolm Stebbins]

Well, I'll look for your elsewhere comments, but "Reckless behaviour ... and
unforseen adverse results ..." are exactly the reasons I WOULD urge a blanket
prohibition on the commercial exploitation of GMO's.  Commerce, which is
roughly equivalent to 'big business' has demonstrated a terrifying ability to
ignore any indicator other than the dollar sign in its development, production
and marketing protocols, which have included the buying of  everything from
phony test results to governments (in whole or in part), the concealment of
evidence contrary to their monetary best interests,  subornation, character
assasination, "the Big Lie", the little lies, and sizes in between, and general
behaviour that would shame a banana slug.
No, I do not want these jerks to have any more control over my life than they
already exert, in fact less; I consider them not only harmful, but evil in the
most coherent and acceptable definition of that word.
Malcolm

Kevin Nolan wrote:

> Hi Gary,
> Totally agree that labelling GM food as GM is a must . That
> is far from all that was asked though. What disturbed me was something else
> you wrote:
>
> "Please urge your Senators and Representative to resist these
> >> initiatives. Tell them that you don't want to eat genetically engineered
> >> food!"
>
> To me that is urging an atavistic, blanket rejection of the very concept of
> GMO's. Reckless behaviour by greedy, irresponsible companies and unforseen
> adverse results from applying GM technology are NOT in my view grounds to
> throw the baby out with the bathwater. I comment more elsewhere on this
> important topic you have properly raised.
>
> Kevin Nolan
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gary Green" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:12 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS
>
> > On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 06:52 PM, Kevin Nolan wrote:
> >
> > > I don't like extreme responses to anything unless hard evidence
> > > justifies
> > > it. Are you sure ALL GM foods are dangerous?
> > >
> > > Kevin Nolan
> >
> > Hi Kevin,
> >
> > I don't think it's too extreme to ask the frankenfoods people to at
> > least label the crap as GM.  That's all I ask.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
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Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

[Malcolm Stebbins]

Hi, I don't believe this is so; could you provide some references to back it
up?  I'm aware that we share a considerable amount of genetic material from
earlier life forms, such as fungi (see Stamets, Growing Gourmet and Medicinal
Mushrooms 3rd ed. Ten Speed Press), but even if you count the universal
presence of 'inactive' or 'non-significant' segments of dna in the genomes,
I've read no evidence of inter-kingdom "back-crossing"of genetic material
producing a viable line of offspring.  Viri can transfer genetic material to
the cells of host species, and the infected host may continue to live, and even
thrive, but the attempt to transfer e.g., immunity  to successive generations
by such techniques was not successful last time I looked.  You might be
interested in some of the work done along this line for victims of cystic
fibrosis.
Thanks for whatever material you can provide;
Malcolm

Ode Coyote wrote:

>   Mitochondrial DNA tracing indicates that most of the foods and
> domesticated animals we use today were genetically modified at some time in
> the distant past. {not just cross bred or hybridized}
>  Ken
>
> At 08:52 PM 4/23/02 +1000, you wrote:
> >I don't like extreme responses to anything unless hard evidence justifies
> >it. Are you sure ALL GM foods are dangerous?
> >
> >Kevin Nolan
> >
> >- Original Message -
> >From: "John Draper" 
> >To: "silver-list" 
> >Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:07 AM
> >Subject: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS
> >
> >
> >> TWO GENETIC ENGINEERING ACTION ALERTS
> >>
> >> (1) BIO GOES TO WASHINGTON: TAKE ACTION TODAY
> >>
> >> The Biotech Industry Organization (BIO), composed of Monsanto, Aventis,
> >> Dupont, and other biotech corporations, will meet with House and Senate
> >> representatives next week in Washington, D.C., to press an agenda of
> >>
> >> * more genetically engineered crops,
> >> * no mandatory labeling of genetically engineered food, and
> >> * government support for opening up foreign markets to these genetic
> >> experiments
> >>
> >> Please urge your Senators and Representative to resist these
> >> initiatives. Tell them that you don't want to eat genetically engineered
> >> food!
> >>
> >> Please take action now. To send an email directly to all your
> >> representatives, just visit
> >>
> >> http://www.truefoodnow.org/bin/takeaction.fpl?action_id=121
> >>
> >> and follow the instructions there. Please be sure to provide your
> >> address and zip code so that you can receive a written response to your
> >> concerns.
> >>
> >> Thank you for your support.
> >>
> >> (2) CONTACT KRAFT FOODS TODAY!
> >>
> >> Kraft Foods is holding its annual shareholders meeting on Earth Day,
> >> Monday, April 22. In concert with that event, thousands of concerned
> >> Americans are contacting Kraft Foods to ask the company to remove
> >> genetically engineered ingredients from its product line.
> >>
> >> Please contact Kraft Foods immediately by telephone or email to support
> >> this initiative.
> >>
> >> BY PHONE: You can call Kraft at
> >>
> >> 1-888-560-4625
> >>
> >> Simply tell the staff that you would like Kraft Foods to remove
> >> genetically engineered ingredients from its product line.
> >>
> >> BY EMAIL: You can email Kraft Foods directly by visiting
> >>
> >> http://www.thecampaign.org/kraft-earthday.htm
> >>
> >> and following the instructions there.
> >>
> >> Even if you have previously telephoned or sent an email message to Kraft
> >> Foods, please telephone again and/or send another email now. Kraft Foods
> >> needs to hear from concerned citizens more than once until the company
> >> agrees to remove genetically engineered ingredients from its product
> >> line.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your timely action.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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RE: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

[Ode Coyote]

 Exactly.
 I might add that 'we' are pretty new to GM and should excercize extreme
caution. Short sightedness could be catastrophic.
 I also totally agree that all foods should be labeled to include all
substances used in its production and growth that lie outside a clearcut
organic definition. [chemical pesticides and fertilizers and hormones etc]
Ken

At 08:23 AM 4/24/02 -0600, you wrote:
>The same is true of man.
>
>James-Osbourne: Holmes
>
> -Original Message-
>From:  Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net] 
>Sent:  Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:55 AM
>To:silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject:   Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS
>
>
>  Mitochondrial DNA tracing indicates that most of the foods and
>domesticated animals we use today were genetically modified at some time in
>the distant past. {not just cross bred or hybridized}
> Ken
>
>At 08:52 PM 4/23/02 +1000, you wrote:
>>I don't like extreme responses to anything unless hard evidence justifies
>>it. Are you sure ALL GM foods are dangerous?
>>
>>Kevin Nolan
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>From: "John Draper" 
>>To: "silver-list" 
>>Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:07 AM
>>Subject: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS
>>
>>
>>> TWO GENETIC ENGINEERING ACTION ALERTS
>>>
>>> (1) BIO GOES TO WASHINGTON: TAKE ACTION TODAY
>>>
>>> The Biotech Industry Organization (BIO), composed of Monsanto, Aventis,
>>> Dupont, and other biotech corporations, will meet with House and Senate
>>> representatives next week in Washington, D.C., to press an agenda of
>>>
>>> * more genetically engineered crops,
>>> * no mandatory labeling of genetically engineered food, and
>>> * government support for opening up foreign markets to these genetic
>>> experiments
>>>
>>> Please urge your Senators and Representative to resist these
>>> initiatives. Tell them that you don't want to eat genetically engineered
>>> food!
>>>
>>> Please take action now. To send an email directly to all your
>>> representatives, just visit
>>>
>>> http://www.truefoodnow.org/bin/takeaction.fpl?action_id=121
>>>
>>> and follow the instructions there. Please be sure to provide your
>>> address and zip code so that you can receive a written response to your
>>> concerns.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your support.
>>>
>>> (2) CONTACT KRAFT FOODS TODAY!
>>>
>>> Kraft Foods is holding its annual shareholders meeting on Earth Day,
>>> Monday, April 22. In concert with that event, thousands of concerned
>>> Americans are contacting Kraft Foods to ask the company to remove
>>> genetically engineered ingredients from its product line.
>>>
>>> Please contact Kraft Foods immediately by telephone or email to support
>>> this initiative.
>>>
>>> BY PHONE: You can call Kraft at
>>>
>>> 1-888-560-4625
>>>
>>> Simply tell the staff that you would like Kraft Foods to remove
>>> genetically engineered ingredients from its product line.
>>>
>>> BY EMAIL: You can email Kraft Foods directly by visiting
>>>
>>> http://www.thecampaign.org/kraft-earthday.htm
>>>
>>> and following the instructions there.
>>>
>>> Even if you have previously telephoned or sent an email message to Kraft
>>> Foods, please telephone again and/or send another email now. Kraft Foods
>>> needs to hear from concerned citizens more than once until the company
>>> agrees to remove genetically engineered ingredients from its product
>>> line.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your timely action.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>
>
>

RE: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

The same is true of man.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

 -Original Message-
From:   Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net] 
Sent:   Wednesday, April 24, 2002 6:55 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS


  Mitochondrial DNA tracing indicates that most of the foods and
domesticated animals we use today were genetically modified at some time in
the distant past. {not just cross bred or hybridized}
 Ken

At 08:52 PM 4/23/02 +1000, you wrote:
>I don't like extreme responses to anything unless hard evidence justifies
>it. Are you sure ALL GM foods are dangerous?
>
>Kevin Nolan
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "John Draper" 
>To: "silver-list" 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:07 AM
>Subject: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS
>
>
>> TWO GENETIC ENGINEERING ACTION ALERTS
>>
>> (1) BIO GOES TO WASHINGTON: TAKE ACTION TODAY
>>
>> The Biotech Industry Organization (BIO), composed of Monsanto, Aventis,
>> Dupont, and other biotech corporations, will meet with House and Senate
>> representatives next week in Washington, D.C., to press an agenda of
>>
>> * more genetically engineered crops,
>> * no mandatory labeling of genetically engineered food, and
>> * government support for opening up foreign markets to these genetic
>> experiments
>>
>> Please urge your Senators and Representative to resist these
>> initiatives. Tell them that you don't want to eat genetically engineered
>> food!
>>
>> Please take action now. To send an email directly to all your
>> representatives, just visit
>>
>> http://www.truefoodnow.org/bin/takeaction.fpl?action_id=121
>>
>> and follow the instructions there. Please be sure to provide your
>> address and zip code so that you can receive a written response to your
>> concerns.
>>
>> Thank you for your support.
>>
>> (2) CONTACT KRAFT FOODS TODAY!
>>
>> Kraft Foods is holding its annual shareholders meeting on Earth Day,
>> Monday, April 22. In concert with that event, thousands of concerned
>> Americans are contacting Kraft Foods to ask the company to remove
>> genetically engineered ingredients from its product line.
>>
>> Please contact Kraft Foods immediately by telephone or email to support
>> this initiative.
>>
>> BY PHONE: You can call Kraft at
>>
>> 1-888-560-4625
>>
>> Simply tell the staff that you would like Kraft Foods to remove
>> genetically engineered ingredients from its product line.
>>
>> BY EMAIL: You can email Kraft Foods directly by visiting
>>
>> http://www.thecampaign.org/kraft-earthday.htm
>>
>> and following the instructions there.
>>
>> Even if you have previously telephoned or sent an email message to Kraft
>> Foods, please telephone again and/or send another email now. Kraft Foods
>> needs to hear from concerned citizens more than once until the company
>> agrees to remove genetically engineered ingredients from its product
>> line.
>>
>> Thanks for your timely action.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

[Kevin Nolan]

Hi Gary,
Totally agree that labelling GM food as GM is a must . That
is far from all that was asked though. What disturbed me was something else
you wrote:

"Please urge your Senators and Representative to resist these
>> initiatives. Tell them that you don't want to eat genetically engineered
>> food!"

To me that is urging an atavistic, blanket rejection of the very concept of
GMO's. Reckless behaviour by greedy, irresponsible companies and unforseen
adverse results from applying GM technology are NOT in my view grounds to
throw the baby out with the bathwater. I comment more elsewhere on this
important topic you have properly raised.

Kevin Nolan

- Original Message -
From: "Gary Green" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS


> On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 06:52 PM, Kevin Nolan wrote:
>
> > I don't like extreme responses to anything unless hard evidence
> > justifies
> > it. Are you sure ALL GM foods are dangerous?
> >
> > Kevin Nolan
>
> Hi Kevin,
>
> I don't think it's too extreme to ask the frankenfoods people to at
> least label the crap as GM.  That's all I ask.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
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Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

[Ode Coyote]

  Mitochondrial DNA tracing indicates that most of the foods and
domesticated animals we use today were genetically modified at some time in
the distant past. {not just cross bred or hybridized}
 Ken

At 08:52 PM 4/23/02 +1000, you wrote:
>I don't like extreme responses to anything unless hard evidence justifies
>it. Are you sure ALL GM foods are dangerous?
>
>Kevin Nolan
>
>- Original Message -
>From: "John Draper" 
>To: "silver-list" 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:07 AM
>Subject: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS
>
>
>> TWO GENETIC ENGINEERING ACTION ALERTS
>>
>> (1) BIO GOES TO WASHINGTON: TAKE ACTION TODAY
>>
>> The Biotech Industry Organization (BIO), composed of Monsanto, Aventis,
>> Dupont, and other biotech corporations, will meet with House and Senate
>> representatives next week in Washington, D.C., to press an agenda of
>>
>> * more genetically engineered crops,
>> * no mandatory labeling of genetically engineered food, and
>> * government support for opening up foreign markets to these genetic
>> experiments
>>
>> Please urge your Senators and Representative to resist these
>> initiatives. Tell them that you don't want to eat genetically engineered
>> food!
>>
>> Please take action now. To send an email directly to all your
>> representatives, just visit
>>
>> http://www.truefoodnow.org/bin/takeaction.fpl?action_id=121
>>
>> and follow the instructions there. Please be sure to provide your
>> address and zip code so that you can receive a written response to your
>> concerns.
>>
>> Thank you for your support.
>>
>> (2) CONTACT KRAFT FOODS TODAY!
>>
>> Kraft Foods is holding its annual shareholders meeting on Earth Day,
>> Monday, April 22. In concert with that event, thousands of concerned
>> Americans are contacting Kraft Foods to ask the company to remove
>> genetically engineered ingredients from its product line.
>>
>> Please contact Kraft Foods immediately by telephone or email to support
>> this initiative.
>>
>> BY PHONE: You can call Kraft at
>>
>> 1-888-560-4625
>>
>> Simply tell the staff that you would like Kraft Foods to remove
>> genetically engineered ingredients from its product line.
>>
>> BY EMAIL: You can email Kraft Foods directly by visiting
>>
>> http://www.thecampaign.org/kraft-earthday.htm
>>
>> and following the instructions there.
>>
>> Even if you have previously telephoned or sent an email message to Kraft
>> Foods, please telephone again and/or send another email now. Kraft Foods
>> needs to hear from concerned citizens more than once until the company
>> agrees to remove genetically engineered ingredients from its product
>> line.
>>
>> Thanks for your timely action.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

[Malcolm Stebbins]

Hello Brooks, were you aware of the effect GMO corn or its pollen is having on
Mexican corn varieties?  I'll try to scratch up a reference before I leave
(vacation) but as I remember the news report, most everyone grows corn, even if
only a few plants.  Many, peasant, middle class or ??? have their own 'pet'
varieties, passed down through the family.  Apparently despite the Mexican
government's refusal to allow imports for any reason (at least pre- Vicente Fox)
it is showing up in the feed stocks, and food shelves, and streets and sidewalks
where locals pointed it out to the reporter covering the story, and 
contaminating
the local adapted heirloom forms.
One problem I see with the GMO's is their crossing genes from animal to 
vegetable
kingdoms, or vice versa, with all the perversions in between.  The stability of
the species within the kingdoms, despite the evidence of chance and deliberate
crossing throughout the millenia - not to mention the rise of new species - is
evidence that within each kingdom such crossings will probably be self limiting 
or
beneficial, though the Mexican corn story  might give some pause.  However when 
it
comes to crossing genetic material from animal to vegetable, for instance,  or
more - well, pandemically - bacterium to either, we run the risk of discovering
things we would rather not.
Chiefly I detest having such recklessness of others foisted upon me so they can
make more money - as if they didn't have enough!
Grumble, mumble, mutter!


Brooks Bradley wrote:

> Dear Kevin,
> While not pundits, we have, for a number of
> years, researched and followed this issue with much interest.  There is
> neither time...nor bandwidthon this forum , to pursue a reliable and
> rational explanation-in-depth to your observation.
> However, if one is, truly, interested in
> determining whether or not a genuine "threat" exists, I suggest they do some
> direct investigation of the entire secenario surrounding the issue.  The most
> powerful challenge seems to  revolve around the question of whether the
> production of GMO organisms---under the present development
> methodologiesis or is not a COLLATERAL threat to other biological
> systemsand if so, how pronounced is such a threat?  We would caution that
> in cases threatening rapid and wide-spread dissemination of  MODIFIED GENES,
> especially ones capable of inflicting irreversible changes.many, presently
> unforseen consequences are likely to followsome, possibly, of catastrophic
> impact.  The greatest threat to the world's biological systems.stemming
> from any "headlong" rush into precipitating a distribution of
> "super-competing" species, may be the simple fact that humankind may be
> incapable of putting Pandora back-into-the-box.
> It is troubling to see the majority of public address
> concentrating upon the immediate concerns for , primarily, the human food
> supply.  Our research indicates the possiblity of a much greater threat to
> ancillary species and even entire eco-systems.in cases of untoward
> escapes..than presently admitted by the leading-edge advocates of this
> technology.
> I do not wish to instigate an adversarial
> posturetoward anyonebut rather to encourage reasonable reflection on
> an issue ( which  I believe) is FAR greater in potential consequence than the
> elements of present contention.
> The great tragedy seems to be that events are being
> accelerated, primarily, based upon immediate access to economic gains of the
> highest orderregrettably with few safeguards for protecting the
> Biosphere.
> Sincerely,  Brooks
> Bradley.
>
> Kevin Nolan wrote:
>
> > I don't like extreme responses to anything unless hard evidence justifies
> > it. Are you sure ALL GM foods are dangerous?
> >
> > Kevin Nolan
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "John Draper" 
> > To: "silver-list" 
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:07 AM
> > Subject: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS
> >
> > > TWO GENETIC ENGINEERING ACTION ALERTS
> > >
> > > (1) BIO GOES TO WASHINGTON: TAKE ACTION TODAY
> > >
> > > The Biotech Industry Organization (BIO), composed of Monsanto, Aventis,
> > > Dupont, and other biotech corporations, will meet with House and Senate
> > > representatives next week in Washington, D.C., to press an agenda of
> > >
> > > * more genetically engineered crops,
> > > * no mandatory labeling of genetically engineered food, and
> > > * government support for opening up foreign markets to these genetic
> > > experiments
> > >
> > > Please urge your Senators and Representative to resist these
> > > initiatives. Tell them that you don't want to eat genetically engineered
> > > food!
> > >
> > > Please take action now. To send an email directly to all your
> > > representa

Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

[Brooks Bradley]

Dear Kevin,
While not pundits, we have, for a number of
years, researched and followed this issue with much interest.  There is
neither time...nor bandwidthon this forum , to pursue a reliable and
rational explanation-in-depth to your observation.
However, if one is, truly, interested in
determining whether or not a genuine "threat" exists, I suggest they do some
direct investigation of the entire secenario surrounding the issue.  The most
powerful challenge seems to  revolve around the question of whether the
production of GMO organisms---under the present development
methodologiesis or is not a COLLATERAL threat to other biological
systemsand if so, how pronounced is such a threat?  We would caution that
in cases threatening rapid and wide-spread dissemination of  MODIFIED GENES,
especially ones capable of inflicting irreversible changes.many, presently
unforseen consequences are likely to followsome, possibly, of catastrophic
impact.  The greatest threat to the world's biological systems.stemming
from any "headlong" rush into precipitating a distribution of
"super-competing" species, may be the simple fact that humankind may be
incapable of putting Pandora back-into-the-box.
It is troubling to see the majority of public address
concentrating upon the immediate concerns for , primarily, the human food
supply.  Our research indicates the possiblity of a much greater threat to
ancillary species and even entire eco-systems.in cases of untoward
escapes..than presently admitted by the leading-edge advocates of this
technology.
I do not wish to instigate an adversarial
posturetoward anyonebut rather to encourage reasonable reflection on
an issue ( which  I believe) is FAR greater in potential consequence than the
elements of present contention.
The great tragedy seems to be that events are being
accelerated, primarily, based upon immediate access to economic gains of the
highest orderregrettably with few safeguards for protecting the
Biosphere.
Sincerely,  Brooks
Bradley.

Kevin Nolan wrote:

> I don't like extreme responses to anything unless hard evidence justifies
> it. Are you sure ALL GM foods are dangerous?
>
> Kevin Nolan
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "John Draper" 
> To: "silver-list" 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:07 AM
> Subject: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS
>
> > TWO GENETIC ENGINEERING ACTION ALERTS
> >
> > (1) BIO GOES TO WASHINGTON: TAKE ACTION TODAY
> >
> > The Biotech Industry Organization (BIO), composed of Monsanto, Aventis,
> > Dupont, and other biotech corporations, will meet with House and Senate
> > representatives next week in Washington, D.C., to press an agenda of
> >
> > * more genetically engineered crops,
> > * no mandatory labeling of genetically engineered food, and
> > * government support for opening up foreign markets to these genetic
> > experiments
> >
> > Please urge your Senators and Representative to resist these
> > initiatives. Tell them that you don't want to eat genetically engineered
> > food!
> >
> > Please take action now. To send an email directly to all your
> > representatives, just visit
> >
> > http://www.truefoodnow.org/bin/takeaction.fpl?action_id=121
> >
> > and follow the instructions there. Please be sure to provide your
> > address and zip code so that you can receive a written response to your
> > concerns.
> >
> > Thank you for your support.
> >
> > (2) CONTACT KRAFT FOODS TODAY!
> >
> > Kraft Foods is holding its annual shareholders meeting on Earth Day,
> > Monday, April 22. In concert with that event, thousands of concerned
> > Americans are contacting Kraft Foods to ask the company to remove
> > genetically engineered ingredients from its product line.
> >
> > Please contact Kraft Foods immediately by telephone or email to support
> > this initiative.
> >
> > BY PHONE: You can call Kraft at
> >
> > 1-888-560-4625
> >
> > Simply tell the staff that you would like Kraft Foods to remove
> > genetically engineered ingredients from its product line.
> >
> > BY EMAIL: You can email Kraft Foods directly by visiting
> >
> > http://www.thecampaign.org/kraft-earthday.htm
> >
> > and following the instructions there.
> >
> > Even if you have previously telephoned or sent an email message to Kraft
> > Foods, please telephone again and/or send another email now. Kraft Foods
> > needs to hear from concerned citizens more than once until the company
> > agrees to remove genetically engineered ingredients from its product
> > line.
> >
> > Thanks for your timely action.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

[Gary Green]

On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 06:52 PM, Kevin Nolan wrote:

I don't like extreme responses to anything unless hard evidence 
justifies

it. Are you sure ALL GM foods are dangerous?

Kevin Nolan


Hi Kevin,

I don't think it's too extreme to ask the frankenfoods people to at 
least label the crap as GM.  That's all I ask.


Gary



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Re: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS

[Kevin Nolan]

I don't like extreme responses to anything unless hard evidence justifies
it. Are you sure ALL GM foods are dangerous?

Kevin Nolan

- Original Message -
From: "John Draper" 
To: "silver-list" 
Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 10:07 AM
Subject: CS>GMO ACTION ALERTS


> TWO GENETIC ENGINEERING ACTION ALERTS
>
> (1) BIO GOES TO WASHINGTON: TAKE ACTION TODAY
>
> The Biotech Industry Organization (BIO), composed of Monsanto, Aventis,
> Dupont, and other biotech corporations, will meet with House and Senate
> representatives next week in Washington, D.C., to press an agenda of
>
> * more genetically engineered crops,
> * no mandatory labeling of genetically engineered food, and
> * government support for opening up foreign markets to these genetic
> experiments
>
> Please urge your Senators and Representative to resist these
> initiatives. Tell them that you don't want to eat genetically engineered
> food!
>
> Please take action now. To send an email directly to all your
> representatives, just visit
>
> http://www.truefoodnow.org/bin/takeaction.fpl?action_id=121
>
> and follow the instructions there. Please be sure to provide your
> address and zip code so that you can receive a written response to your
> concerns.
>
> Thank you for your support.
>
> (2) CONTACT KRAFT FOODS TODAY!
>
> Kraft Foods is holding its annual shareholders meeting on Earth Day,
> Monday, April 22. In concert with that event, thousands of concerned
> Americans are contacting Kraft Foods to ask the company to remove
> genetically engineered ingredients from its product line.
>
> Please contact Kraft Foods immediately by telephone or email to support
> this initiative.
>
> BY PHONE: You can call Kraft at
>
> 1-888-560-4625
>
> Simply tell the staff that you would like Kraft Foods to remove
> genetically engineered ingredients from its product line.
>
> BY EMAIL: You can email Kraft Foods directly by visiting
>
> http://www.thecampaign.org/kraft-earthday.htm
>
> and following the instructions there.
>
> Even if you have previously telephoned or sent an email message to Kraft
> Foods, please telephone again and/or send another email now. Kraft Foods
> needs to hear from concerned citizens more than once until the company
> agrees to remove genetically engineered ingredients from its product
> line.
>
> Thanks for your timely action.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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