Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
CS will help kill the opportunistic infections. You should drink some everyday. - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 3:34 PM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > Several people somewhat misread my question. Oh, well. I understand what > celiac is and that it is genetic, and that celiacs cannot ingest gluten in > any form. >My question was whether CS might not help any concurrent infections in > the intestines? Because of the damage celiac disease causes, it would seem > to me a miracle if the damaged villi and intestinal walls were not subject > to all manner of opportunistic infections, such as candida. > paula > -- > Dinsdale and Julius Groucho, Bailey and Thumper (bunnies); Spati and Ripi > (cats) > mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com > http://community.webshots.com/user/polcarter > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Several people somewhat misread my question. Oh, well. I understand what celiac is and that it is genetic, and that celiacs cannot ingest gluten in any form. My question was whether CS might not help any concurrent infections in the intestines? Because of the damage celiac disease causes, it would seem to me a miracle if the damaged villi and intestinal walls were not subject to all manner of opportunistic infections, such as candida. paula -- Dinsdale and Julius Groucho, Bailey and Thumper (bunnies); Spati and Ripi (cats) mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com http://community.webshots.com/user/polcarter -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Someone wrote: >But there are 900,000 people out there with Celiac Sprue in America. >Which at are a high risk of coming down with Lupus or from the bread allergy. Some news for crust-eaters: http://materials.chemweb.com/alchem/articles/1035208552794.html 8 November 2002 Eating bread crusts...may protect you against cancer. According to German researchers, bread crusts contain a novel antioxidant that isn't found in the rest of the bread. ...the process of baking bread produced a novel type of antioxidant called pronyl-lysine that was eight times more abundant in the crust than in the crumb. The compound was not present in the original flour. Pronyl-lysine forms during baking when the amino acid L- lysine reacts with starch and reducing sugars. dark-coloured breads, such as pumpernickel, contain higher amounts of pronyl-lysine than light-coloured breads... = jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Jonathan wrote: <> ** Sigh:: Let's go back tothe original discussion. Nancy cited mycoplasma as being responsible for a host of chronic illnesses. I posted information supporting that it was not just mycopalsma responsible for ALL CFS. Next, Nancy posted an article with citations. I was familiar with the article and had previously read a number of the citations, most of which do not support what the article was stating. This is a favorite ploy of authors who have a point to make but have little evidence to support that point. I asked Nancy if she had read the citations. End of story. As far as this statement you make: "I concede that the ad-hominem comment was not appropriate and regret it, but the term properly describes the tone I detect in several recent postings" ** Show me where. Anything I wrote addressed the ideas, not the person writing them. If you go back and look, YOU were the one to make this personal, not Nancy or I. <> ** This has come to a point of being time-consuming and non-productive. All you have to do is read the references to find the variations. If you were interested in the issue more than you are interested in hassling me, you would do this. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
I find it distasteful that well-informed comments are dismissed as "speculation" -- at a certain point "speculation" becomes hypothesis, though not all of us have opportunity to follow through with our hypotheses -- and I also find it irritating, patronizing, and wrongheaded for a list member (Nancy) to be asked whether or not she had read all the citations for a particular link she provided. It would be fine for another list member simply to point out the alleged discrepancies between the citations and the article if the critic has time to do so, but perhaps the comments might better be directed to the authors of the article rather than the person posting the link. Moreover, if we are going to be thorough, we would have to follow thorough with a complete explanation of the variances between the article and the citations, now wouldn't we?I am quite eager to see a full essay on this as soon as possible. With references. And with all references within those references explicated, please. Perhaps the whole problem here is simply due to the difficulty of indicating tone through e-mail messages, but several messages here recently strke me as very condescending and irritating indeed, though many other postings have been quite useful and informative. I concede that the ad-hominem comment was not appropriate and regret it, but the term properly describes the tone I detect in several recent postings. C Creel wrote: > > Jonathan, > > You said: > > < receive. No one has time to check every citation, >> > > If being thorough is "school-marmish" in your book, I'll take the label > you intended as an insult and wear it proudly. > But, I find it more than a little distasteful that when unable to counter > with an informed response, you (and a handful of others) will resort to > ad hominem attacks. > > Catherine > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
11/8/02 1:08 PM Marshall Dudley > I cannot find ad-hominen or ad hominem in the dictionary. Are these spellings > right? > > Marshall Hi Marshall, my American Heritage reveals the following for ad hominem: ad hominem (hÄm2ú-nRm1, -núm) adj. 1. Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents' motives. [ Latin ad to hominem, accusative of homÅ man] ad hom2inem1 adv. For what it's worth. Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
11/8/02 1:26 AM C Creel > Some articles: > > -- Human choriogonadotropin-like material in bacteria of different species: > electron microscopy and immunocytochemical studies with monoclonal and > polyclonal antibodies. > Acevedo HF, Pardo M, Campbell-Acevedo E, Domingue GJ. > J Gen Microbiol. 1987 Mar;133 ( Pt 3):783-91. > > > -- Bacteriologic investigation and histologic observations of variably > acid-fast bacteria in three cases of cutaneous Kaposi's sarcoma. Cantwell > AR Jr. > Growth. 1981 Summer;45(2):79-89. > > -- Identification of cell wall deficient forms of M. avium subsp. ... WOW! those sound like real page turners. :-) Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Two specific genetic markers, called HLA subfactors, are present in well over 90% of all celiacs in America, that ends up doing damage to the villi in the small intestine, leading to malabsorption. Other problems usually come up as well. But with any disease, there is debate. Some sources say a virus can cause some cases. But current research says that most cases are caused by genetics. - Original Message - From: "MARIANO DELISE" To: Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 8:34 PM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > What caused the bread allergy i n the first place? > - Original Message - > From: "f.capezzuto" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:09 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > > > I totally agree with a lot of your statements. I am sure cases are caused > > by Mycoplasma. But there are 900,000 people out there with Celiac Sprue > in > > America. Which at are a high risk of coming down with Lupus or MS from > the > > bread allergy. Thus, a true auto-immune, genetic disease. Which CS will > do > > jack squat for. > > > > I am not trying to downplay your theroy, or CS. But not _all_ cases of MS > > or CFS are caused by Mycoplasma, Lyme or HIV. > > > > - Original Message ----- > > From: "MARIANO DELISE" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:25 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > > > > > > All I can tell you is mycoplasma is a very new word even to doctors. > Many > > > have not even heard of it yet. I have two people with fibrmyalgia, two > > with > > > chroans, two with lupus, one with chronic fatigue syndrom, eleven with > > MS, > > > one with interstitial cyctitis one with shingles. These are all auto > > immune > > > diseases. They are all drinking CS and everyone of them is in > remission. > > > The very simple way this was explained to me is that we all have > > > mycoplasma on our bodies. They are basically harmless until we have a > > > stress of stome sort in our lives. The explaination that our bodies > > attach > > > them selves for no reason has never made sense to me. Millions of > > perfectly > > > created bodies just turn on the owner for no reason??Please! > What > > I > > > undersand (I have no medical background what so ever) the mycoplasma > > > (myco-extremely tiny + plasmano cell wall) invade your cell > > during > > > a stress. The mycoplasma hides in your cell, takes the shape of your > > cell, > > > feeds off of your cell. Your immune system knows that there is a > > pathogen > > > in your body and attacks.but since the pathogen is so well > hidden > > in > > > your very own cell, it cannot be found by your immnue system. > Therefore, > > it > > > attacks,but for a very good reason. There is something there it cannot > > > find. Obviously, what ever cell it has invaded is the disease you will > > > get. CS very slowly and very subtly finds these mycoplasma and > suffocates > > > them. > > > I realize this is an over simplified explanation, but that is the > only > > > thing my simple uneducated mind can understand. > > > Nancy > > > Original Message - > > > From: "C Creel" > > > To: > > > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:26 AM > > > Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > > > > > > > > > Dear Nancy, > > > > > > > > You said: > > > > > > > > < > www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm > > > > it's quite an eye opener.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **Have you read the articles from the citations? I've read twelve > > of > > > > them. > > > > They don't support what this page is saying. Most of them are very > > > careful > > > > to > > > > say that mycoplasma is a co-factor but no causal relationship is > > evident. > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm puzzled as to how you can make a claim that mycoplasma is at > the > > > > root of CFS when statistics show that mycoplasma is present in only > > 30-35% > > > > of people with CFS. > > > > > > > > This is from www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm: > > > > > > > > "This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, swollen, > > and > > > > painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid diseases, > > > > fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus and MS, > > > Crohn's > > > > and others." > > > > > > > > > > > >** This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw > > > > incorrect > > > > conclusions. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Catherine > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal > silver. > > > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > > > > Silver-list archive: > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > >
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Well, without going into too much technical jargon, a genetic disease is usually linked to a gene when they find that most or all people suffering from just say Iron Overload, which affects 1 in 200 people in America (mostly Irish people, since they have a low iron soil content in Ireland) they come to America, and blamo, everything has iron in it. Next thing you know, they come down with CFS and Liver disease due to the slow metabolisim of iron building up in there system. Now, infectious diseases usually can spread from person to person. On the flip side, genetic diseases, usually affect a race. Like Gaucher disease mostly affects Jewish people that have the same blood line. Now if Gaucher disease was caused by an infection, then it would affect any race. Also, just using genetic analysis, they have isolated the double dose gene that should be causing a certain missing enzyme that causes that metabolic disease. That's why for most "autoimmune" diseases, or most cancers, they can't give you a straight answer on what causes it. Cause it's not so clear cut. And I agree, I am sure a lot of cases of illness are brought on by pathogens, like Mycoplasma, Borreliosis, Human Monocytic Ehrlichiosis and Babesiosis. But something else people forget about, if the mother is suffering a heavy infection with mycoplasma, it can cause damage to the fetus. Yes, there have been linkages to mycoplasma infections of the mother and mutated DNA and mitochondria of the child causing birth defects. I read some reports of mothers (who got Gulf War Syndrome) from there hubbies that got sick overseas. They spread it to their wives who got sick, who then had deformed babies. The reason they were able to link it to GWS, is that a unaturally high percentage (or a cluster) or GWS, pregnant wives were having these genetically mutated children who were being born without, well... Body parts, as well as other deformities. They ended up curing a lot of the mothers and hubbies of GWS with long term Doxycycline, since the report said that a high percentage of GWS was caused by a form of mycoplasma. But for the babies with the genetic defect, it was too late. - Original Message - From: MARIANO DELISE To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 8:28 PM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? Could it be they are all the same mycoplasma invading different cells? - Original Message - From: f.capezzuto To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? Cases of MS also are also linked to: - Bread allergy. (Celiac Sprue) - Lyme disease. (And other bacteria) - Flu Shots. - Mercury fillings. - HIV (And other Viruses) - HTLV I and II. - Iron Overload. There are many others. - Original Message - From: Paul Ladendorf To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? C Creel wrote: > This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw >incorrect >conclusions. I totally agree. I think it would be narrow-minded to consider all of those diseases as caused by one bacteria, virus, whatever. For example, MS and other neurological disease has been linked to heavy metal poisoning. And what about those people who don't get results from using CS? Could it be that there is a toxin causing the problem such as heavy metals, pcb's, etc. and not mycoplasma? Again, I think we need to be very careful about making claims without having very strong evidence as to their validity. Paul Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Oh, I agree. I am sure it would help. But my point was, it won't cure the genetic defect. But since people with genetic defects usually have a lowered immune system, CS will help with the opportunistic infections. My only point was, if a person's CFS is caused by a genetic factor (with is usually not the case, most cases are environmental in America, since most Americans are not a risk factor for the founder effect), then CS will not cure a Celiac. Most people forget that genetics do cause disease, and when someone comes down with CFS or MS, most people say "oh, it's all caused by Lyme" or "it's just toxins in your system, you need to detox". Or people blindly start self medicating with herbs, and that's what gives "alternitive medicine" a bad name. Ok, I am going off topic here, but you get my point. I was never trying to downplay CS, I was just bringing another viewpoint into the light.:) - Original Message - From: "MARIANO DELISE" To: Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:55 PM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > It would certainly not hurt anything to give it a try..I would be very > agressive with something like this and drink 16 oz a day. A little all day > long. Give it a trial for about 6 weeks and let us all know if there is any > improvement. How else will we ever now??: If it wont' hurt IT MAY HELP> > - Original Message - > From: "sol" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:56 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > > > I would like to know how you know CS can't help celiac? I was wondering > if > > CS IV or enemas might be of help. I don't have it but a longtime > aquaintance > > of mine recently died while waiting for a liver transpant. The underlying > > cause of her liver failure was celiac disease, which had gone undiagnosed > > for many years because she was overweight and so didn't fit the > conventional > > diagnosis profile. Given the damage that celiac causes, it would be a > wonder > > if there weren't all sorts of complicating infections present in the > > intestines. > > paula > > -- > > From: "f.capezzuto" > > > > > > > I totally agree with a lot of your statements. I am sure cases are > caused > > > by Mycoplasma. But there are 900,000 people out there with Celiac Sprue > > in > > > America. Which at are a high risk of coming down with Lupus or MS from > > the > > > bread allergy. Thus, a true auto-immune, genetic disease. Which CS > will > > do > > > jack squat for. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
There may be a third, or fourth, or /??th, better explanation for these diseases out there in the future; all we can do is keep trying, and telling what we learn, and listening to each other. Everyone thought bacterial disease was a thing of the past when we developed our arsenal of antibiotics. At 08:42 PM 11/9/02 -0600, you wrote: It is my opinion, if I had waited for all these "informed " responses, I would not be walking today, and probably not taking CS. Nancy - Original Message - From: "C Creel" To: Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 4:49 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > Jonathan, > > You said: > > < receive. No one has time to check every citation, >> > > > If being thorough is "school-marmish" in your book, I'll take the label > you intended as an insult and wear it proudly. > But, I find it more than a little distasteful that when unable to counter > with an informed response, you (and a handful of others) will resort to > ad hominem attacks. > > Catherine > > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Dear Robb, You said: <> ** I'm quite pleased to hear Nancy's story ofrecovery, but one recovery from what may not have been MS (using your ideas about this) hardly constitutes evidence that mycoplasma is responsible for MS, AIDS, Lupus, cancers, etc. There are a number of people who have treated themselves for different diseases in different ways resulting in recovery. A good look at these and other cases makes it safe to say that no one culprit is responsible for most illnesses, otherwise, one substance that worked for one illness would work for all these illnesses. Sadly, this is not the case. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
It would certainly not hurt anything to give it a try..I would be very agressive with something like this and drink 16 oz a day. A little all day long. Give it a trial for about 6 weeks and let us all know if there is any improvement. How else will we ever now??: If it wont' hurt IT MAY HELP> - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > I would like to know how you know CS can't help celiac? I was wondering if > CS IV or enemas might be of help. I don't have it but a longtime aquaintance > of mine recently died while waiting for a liver transpant. The underlying > cause of her liver failure was celiac disease, which had gone undiagnosed > for many years because she was overweight and so didn't fit the conventional > diagnosis profile. Given the damage that celiac causes, it would be a wonder > if there weren't all sorts of complicating infections present in the > intestines. > paula > -- > From: "f.capezzuto" > > > > I totally agree with a lot of your statements. I am sure cases are caused > > by Mycoplasma. But there are 900,000 people out there with Celiac Sprue > in > > America. Which at are a high risk of coming down with Lupus or MS from > the > > bread allergy. Thus, a true auto-immune, genetic disease. Which CS will > do > > jack squat for. > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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I think Nancy does indeed have strong evidencethe problem is.Doctors use diagnosis' like MS..or Lupusor similar names when they don't really know for what is wrongRobb - Original Message - From: MARIANO DELISE To: Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 9:42 PM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > It is my opinion, if I had waited for all these "informed " responses, I > would not be walking today, and probably not taking CS. > Nancy > - Original Message - > From: "C Creel" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 4:49 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > > > Jonathan, > > > > You said: > > > > < > receive. No one has time to check every citation, >> > > > > > > If being thorough is "school-marmish" in your book, I'll take the > label > > you intended as an insult and wear it proudly. > > But, I find it more than a little distasteful that when unable to counter > > with an informed response, you (and a handful of others) will resort to > > ad hominem attacks. > > > > Catherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
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It is my opinion, if I had waited for all these "informed " responses, I would not be walking today, and probably not taking CS. Nancy - Original Message - From: "C Creel" To: Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 4:49 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > Jonathan, > > You said: > > < receive. No one has time to check every citation, >> > > > If being thorough is "school-marmish" in your book, I'll take the label > you intended as an insult and wear it proudly. > But, I find it more than a little distasteful that when unable to counter > with an informed response, you (and a handful of others) will resort to > ad hominem attacks. > > Catherine > > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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What caused the bread allergy i n the first place? - Original Message - From: "f.capezzuto" To: Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 12:09 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > I totally agree with a lot of your statements. I am sure cases are caused > by Mycoplasma. But there are 900,000 people out there with Celiac Sprue in > America. Which at are a high risk of coming down with Lupus or MS from the > bread allergy. Thus, a true auto-immune, genetic disease. Which CS will do > jack squat for. > > I am not trying to downplay your theroy, or CS. But not _all_ cases of MS > or CFS are caused by Mycoplasma, Lyme or HIV. > > - Original Message - > From: "MARIANO DELISE" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > > > All I can tell you is mycoplasma is a very new word even to doctors. Many > > have not even heard of it yet. I have two people with fibrmyalgia, two > with > > chroans, two with lupus, one with chronic fatigue syndrom, eleven with > MS, > > one with interstitial cyctitis one with shingles. These are all auto > immune > > diseases. They are all drinking CS and everyone of them is in remission. > > The very simple way this was explained to me is that we all have > > mycoplasma on our bodies. They are basically harmless until we have a > > stress of stome sort in our lives. The explaination that our bodies > attach > > them selves for no reason has never made sense to me. Millions of > perfectly > > created bodies just turn on the owner for no reason??Please! What > I > > undersand (I have no medical background what so ever) the mycoplasma > > (myco-extremely tiny + plasmano cell wall) invade your cell > during > > a stress. The mycoplasma hides in your cell, takes the shape of your > cell, > > feeds off of your cell. Your immune system knows that there is a > pathogen > > in your body and attacks.but since the pathogen is so well hidden > in > > your very own cell, it cannot be found by your immnue system. Therefore, > it > > attacks,but for a very good reason. There is something there it cannot > > find. Obviously, what ever cell it has invaded is the disease you will > > get. CS very slowly and very subtly finds these mycoplasma and suffocates > > them. > > I realize this is an over simplified explanation, but that is the only > > thing my simple uneducated mind can understand. > > Nancy > > Original Message - > > From: "C Creel" > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:26 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > > > > > > Dear Nancy, > > > > > > You said: > > > > > > < www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm > > > it's quite an eye opener.>> > > > > > > > > > > > > **Have you read the articles from the citations? I've read twelve > of > > > them. > > > They don't support what this page is saying. Most of them are very > > careful > > > to > > > say that mycoplasma is a co-factor but no causal relationship is > evident. > > > > > > > > >I'm puzzled as to how you can make a claim that mycoplasma is at the > > > root of CFS when statistics show that mycoplasma is present in only > 30-35% > > > of people with CFS. > > > > > > This is from www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm: > > > > > > "This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, swollen, > and > > > painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid diseases, > > > fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus and MS, > > Crohn's > > > and others." > > > > > > > > >** This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw > > > incorrect > > > conclusions. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Catherine > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > >
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Could it be they are all the same mycoplasma invading different cells? - Original Message - From: f.capezzuto To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? Cases of MS also are also linked to: - Bread allergy. (Celiac Sprue) - Lyme disease. (And other bacteria) - Flu Shots. - Mercury fillings. - HIV (And other Viruses) - HTLV I and II. - Iron Overload. There are many others. - Original Message - From: Paul Ladendorf To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? C Creel wrote: > This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw >incorrect >conclusions. I totally agree. I think it would be narrow-minded to consider all of those diseases as caused by one bacteria, virus, whatever. For example, MS and other neurological disease has been linked to heavy metal poisoning. And what about those people who don't get results from using CS? Could it be that there is a toxin causing the problem such as heavy metals, pcb's, etc. and not mycoplasma? Again, I think we need to be very careful about making claims without having very strong evidence as to their validity. Paul Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD
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Wow, this was a great post! I will try this out as a supportive detox treatment for Lyme to push me to a constant 100, I am hitting 90% days now, but I still have my share of "not so good days". Cause if I am going to be killing a lot of keets, I may need something to help detox. Anything Lyme specific you recommend? I just need that 'thing' to push me over. Cause right now, I still feel 'toxic'. Which is the thing that makes me feel 'bad'. According to my cultures, they are slowly going away, but I am afraid the cultures to not represent the toxic load in my body right now. - Original Message - From: "Duncan Crow" To: Cc: "f.capezzuto" Sent: Saturday, November 09, 2002 10:55 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > Plenty of evidence exists for the use of antioxidants to reduce > inflammation in the autoimmune diseases, and particularly the use of a > glutathione producer as well. Glutathione increase is of great importance > because it regenerates other used-up antioxidants, it's essential to the > Krebs energy cycle, it quenches free radicals and removes many toxins > itself, and perhaps most importantly in these cases, it skews > imflammatory responses (TH2) toward non-inflammatory response (TH1) in > the first place, which allows the body to heal itself. > > The proper way to do it is with precursors; take the precursors (cold- > processed whey) with selenium, 200-600 mcg daily is plenty for most > people with issues. Also, other antioxidants are often overlooked. ALA > and CoQ10 are very useful to the krebs cycle and to quench free radicals > at the source inside the cells, and resurrecting each other. Similarly > the water-soluble and oil-soluble antioxidants each have roles that are > not swapped off very well by other antioxidants, so a complete > antioxidant therapy is very useful: > A, C, E, s, ALA, glutathione (whey isolate), and b-complex helps. Some > would add other catalysts based on analysis but these would be the basis > of all antioxidant theapies. Then we can get fancier with the > carotenoids, tocotrienols, lycopene and such if we like. > > Once a person has 'jacked themselves out of the hole' with attention to > these details, perhaps, just perhaps, diet alone will maintain them that > way. I believe in the continued use of antioxidants though, because I > treat age-related degeneration and this is an important part of a > longevity program. > > I have specific examples of the mechanics of how several disorders > respond to antioxidant therapy. > > regards, > > Duncan Crow > > > Cause, Celiac is a genitic disorder. The only way to live a full life > > with Celiac is to not eat Gluten. Then you will be fine. You can take > > silver till you are blue in the face, and you will still have the genetic > > defect. > > > > But if your symptoms are caused by a patogen, that's another story. > > Silver will help you there. > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "sol" > > To: > > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:56 AM > > Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > > > > > > I would like to know how you know CS can't help celiac? I was > > > wondering > > if > > > CS IV or enemas might be of help. I don't have it but a longtime > > aquaintance > > > of mine recently died while waiting for a liver transpant. The > > > underlying cause of her liver failure was celiac disease, which had gone > > > undiagnosed for many years because she was overweight and so didn't fit > > > the > > conventional > > > diagnosis profile. Given the damage that celiac causes, it would be a > > wonder > > > if there weren't all sorts of complicating infections present in the > > > intestines. paula -- From: "f.capezzuto" > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with a lot of your statements. I am sure cases are > > caused > > > > by Mycoplasma. But there are 900,000 people out there with Celiac > > > > Sprue > > > in > > > > America. Which at are a high risk of coming down with Lupus or MS > > > > from > > > the > > > > bread allergy. Thus, a true auto-immune, genetic disease. Which CS > > will > > > do > > > > jack squat for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > >
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Plenty of evidence exists for the use of antioxidants to reduce inflammation in the autoimmune diseases, and particularly the use of a glutathione producer as well. Glutathione increase is of great importance because it regenerates other used-up antioxidants, it's essential to the Krebs energy cycle, it quenches free radicals and removes many toxins itself, and perhaps most importantly in these cases, it skews imflammatory responses (TH2) toward non-inflammatory response (TH1) in the first place, which allows the body to heal itself. The proper way to do it is with precursors; take the precursors (cold- processed whey) with selenium, 200-600 mcg daily is plenty for most people with issues. Also, other antioxidants are often overlooked. ALA and CoQ10 are very useful to the krebs cycle and to quench free radicals at the source inside the cells, and resurrecting each other. Similarly the water-soluble and oil-soluble antioxidants each have roles that are not swapped off very well by other antioxidants, so a complete antioxidant therapy is very useful: A, C, E, s, ALA, glutathione (whey isolate), and b-complex helps. Some would add other catalysts based on analysis but these would be the basis of all antioxidant theapies. Then we can get fancier with the carotenoids, tocotrienols, lycopene and such if we like. Once a person has 'jacked themselves out of the hole' with attention to these details, perhaps, just perhaps, diet alone will maintain them that way. I believe in the continued use of antioxidants though, because I treat age-related degeneration and this is an important part of a longevity program. I have specific examples of the mechanics of how several disorders respond to antioxidant therapy. regards, Duncan Crow > Cause, Celiac is a genitic disorder. The only way to live a full life > with Celiac is to not eat Gluten. Then you will be fine. You can take > silver till you are blue in the face, and you will still have the genetic > defect. > > But if your symptoms are caused by a patogen, that's another story. > Silver will help you there. > > - Original Message - > From: "sol" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:56 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > > > I would like to know how you know CS can't help celiac? I was > > wondering > if > > CS IV or enemas might be of help. I don't have it but a longtime > aquaintance > > of mine recently died while waiting for a liver transpant. The > > underlying cause of her liver failure was celiac disease, which had gone > > undiagnosed for many years because she was overweight and so didn't fit > > the > conventional > > diagnosis profile. Given the damage that celiac causes, it would be a > wonder > > if there weren't all sorts of complicating infections present in the > > intestines. paula -- From: "f.capezzuto" > > > > > > > I totally agree with a lot of your statements. I am sure cases are > caused > > > by Mycoplasma. But there are 900,000 people out there with Celiac > > > Sprue > > in > > > America. Which at are a high risk of coming down with Lupus or MS > > > from > > the > > > bread allergy. Thus, a true auto-immune, genetic disease. Which CS > will > > do > > > jack squat for. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
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Hi Marshall; I believe the spelling 'ad hominem' is right; the phrase is latin for 'to the man', and is used to describe the rhetorical technique of attacking the motive, character, actions or appearance of your opponent in an argument, rather than addressing the subject of the argument itself. Malcolm At 04:08 PM 11/8/02 -0500, you wrote: Malcolm Stebbins wrote:! > Ad-hominen sucks and killing the messenger is NOT the sport of kings. > > At 02:49 AM 11/8/02 -0800, you wrote: > >Jonathan, > > > > You said: > > > >< >ad hominem attacks. > > I cannot find ad-hominen or ad hominem in the dictionary. Are these spellings right? Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Cause, Celiac is a genitic disorder. The only way to live a full life with Celiac is to not eat Gluten. Then you will be fine. You can take silver till you are blue in the face, and you will still have the genetic defect. But if your symptoms are caused by a patogen, that's another story. Silver will help you there. - Original Message - From: "sol" To: Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 9:56 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > I would like to know how you know CS can't help celiac? I was wondering if > CS IV or enemas might be of help. I don't have it but a longtime aquaintance > of mine recently died while waiting for a liver transpant. The underlying > cause of her liver failure was celiac disease, which had gone undiagnosed > for many years because she was overweight and so didn't fit the conventional > diagnosis profile. Given the damage that celiac causes, it would be a wonder > if there weren't all sorts of complicating infections present in the > intestines. > paula > -- > From: "f.capezzuto" > > > > I totally agree with a lot of your statements. I am sure cases are caused > > by Mycoplasma. But there are 900,000 people out there with Celiac Sprue > in > > America. Which at are a high risk of coming down with Lupus or MS from > the > > bread allergy. Thus, a true auto-immune, genetic disease. Which CS will > do > > jack squat for. > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 16:08:00 -0500, Marshall Dudley wrote: >I cannot find ad-hominen or ad hominem in the dictionary. Are these spellings >right? > >Marshall Argumentum ad Hominem Argumentum ad Hominem. Translation: ... Exposition: A debater commits the Ad Hominem Fallacy when he introduces irrelevant personal premisses about his opponent. ... Chuck "It's what you learn after you know it all that counts." -- Jean Rostand -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 16:08:00 -0500, Marshall Dudley wrote: >I cannot find ad-hominen or ad hominem in the dictionary. Are these spellings >right? > >Marshall Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person." An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form: Person A makes claim X. Person B makes an attack on person A. Therefore A's claim is false. The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made). -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Malcolm Stebbins wrote:! > Ad-hominen sucks and killing the messenger is NOT the sport of kings. > > At 02:49 AM 11/8/02 -0800, you wrote: > >Jonathan, > > > > You said: > > > >< >ad hominem attacks. > > I cannot find ad-hominen or ad hominem in the dictionary. Are these spellings right? Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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How about this: Please, both of you, keep on posting! You have both offered information from different experiences and points of view. You disagree: Wonderful! Ad-hominen sucks and killing the messenger is NOT the sport of kings. At 02:49 AM 11/8/02 -0800, you wrote: Jonathan, You said: <> If being thorough is "school-marmish" in your book, I'll take the label you intended as an insult and wear it proudly. But, I find it more than a little distasteful that when unable to counter with an informed response, you (and a handful of others) will resort to ad hominem attacks. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I would like to know how you know CS can't help celiac? I was wondering if CS IV or enemas might be of help. I don't have it but a longtime aquaintance of mine recently died while waiting for a liver transpant. The underlying cause of her liver failure was celiac disease, which had gone undiagnosed for many years because she was overweight and so didn't fit the conventional diagnosis profile. Given the damage that celiac causes, it would be a wonder if there weren't all sorts of complicating infections present in the intestines. paula -- From: "f.capezzuto" > I totally agree with a lot of your statements. I am sure cases are caused > by Mycoplasma. But there are 900,000 people out there with Celiac Sprue in > America. Which at are a high risk of coming down with Lupus or MS from the > bread allergy. Thus, a true auto-immune, genetic disease. Which CS will do > jack squat for. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Jonathan, You said: <> If being thorough is "school-marmish" in your book, I'll take the label you intended as an insult and wear it proudly. But, I find it more than a little distasteful that when unable to counter with an informed response, you (and a handful of others) will resort to ad hominem attacks. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Nancy, Please keep on posting and ignore the school-marmish comments you might receive. No one has time to check every citation, and you are quite right; the article is well worth reading, just for the information about the existance of mycoplasmic disease, which is indeed not well known. I had mycoplasmic pneumonia in Japan -- there was an epidemic of it -- and I can say that those pathogens are postively evil, and very hard to eradiate. Recovery was very, very slow. Hospitalizations here exceeded 10,000 in a very shor time. Whether the outbreak was natural or not we will never know. Everyone knows that the religious cult AUM has been playing with bacterial warfare for some time, and the group STILL exists. I have little confidence in the government efforts to control the activities. MARIANO DELISE wrote: > > All I can tell you is mycoplasma is a very new word even to doctors. Many > have not even heard of it yet. I have two people with fibrmyalgia, two with > chroans, two with lupus, one with chronic fatigue syndrom, eleven with MS, > one with interstitial cyctitis one with shingles. These are all auto immune > diseases. They are all drinking CS and everyone of them is in remission. > The very simple way this was explained to me is that we all have > mycoplasma on our bodies. They are basically harmless until we have a > stress of stome sort in our lives. The explaination that our bodies attach > them selves for no reason has never made sense to me. Millions of perfectly > created bodies just turn on the owner for no reason??Please! What I > undersand (I have no medical background what so ever) the mycoplasma > (myco-extremely tiny + plasmano cell wall) invade your cell during > a stress. The mycoplasma hides in your cell, takes the shape of your cell, > feeds off of your cell. Your immune system knows that there is a pathogen > in your body and attacks.but since the pathogen is so well hidden in > your very own cell, it cannot be found by your immnue system. Therefore, it > attacks,but for a very good reason. There is something there it cannot > find. Obviously, what ever cell it has invaded is the disease you will > get. CS very slowly and very subtly finds these mycoplasma and suffocates > them. > I realize this is an over simplified explanation, but that is the only > thing my simple uneducated mind can understand. > Nancy > Original Message - > From: "C Creel" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:26 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > > Dear Nancy, > > > > You said: > > > > < > it's quite an eye opener.>> > > > > > > > > **Have you read the articles from the citations? I've read twelve of > > them. > > They don't support what this page is saying. Most of them are very > careful > > to > > say that mycoplasma is a co-factor but no causal relationship is evident. > > > > > >I'm puzzled as to how you can make a claim that mycoplasma is at the > > root of CFS when statistics show that mycoplasma is present in only 30-35% > > of people with CFS. > > > > This is from www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm: > > > > "This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, swollen, and > > painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid diseases, > > fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus and MS, > Crohn's > > and others." > > > > > >** This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw > > incorrect > > conclusions. > > > > Regards, > > Catherine > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Dear Malcolm, You said: <> Are you familiar with this site? http://www.professorenderlein.com/ Some articles: -- Human choriogonadotropin-like material in bacteria of different species: electron microscopy and immunocytochemical studies with monoclonal and polyclonal antibodies. Acevedo HF, Pardo M, Campbell-Acevedo E, Domingue GJ. J Gen Microbiol. 1987 Mar;133 ( Pt 3):783-91. -- Bacteriologic investigation and histologic observations of variably acid-fast bacteria in three cases of cutaneous Kaposi's sarcoma. Cantwell AR Jr. Growth. 1981 Summer;45(2):79-89. -- Identification of cell wall deficient forms of M. avium subsp. paratuberculosis in paraffin embedded tissues from animals with Johne's disease by in situ hybridization. Hulten K, Karttunen TJ, El-Zimaity HM, Naser SA, Collins MT, Graham DY, El-Zaatari FA.; J Microbiol Methods 2000 Oct;42(2):185-95 Department of Medicine, Veterans Affairs Medical Center (111D), 2002 Holcombe Blvd., Houston, TX 77030, USA. ABSTRACT M. avium subsp. paratuberculosis (M. paratuberculosis) is the causative agent of Johne's disease (JD) in ruminants leading to enormous economical losses in dairy and meat industries worldwide. During the subclinical stage of the disease, the infected animals are difficult if not impossible to detect by the available diagnostic tests including the PCR based ones. Although only considered an animal pathogen, cell wall deficient (CWD) forms of M. paratuberculosis have been isolated from patients with sarcoidosis and Crohn's disease (idiopathic diseases) in humans. Hence, the CWD form of this organism has been suspected to play a role in the pathogenesis of these diseases by persisting in the affected tissues and triggering a localized immune response and pathology. Differentiating between the CWD and acid-fast forms of this organism may lead to the determination of whether the CWD form is the pathogenic form in the subclinical cases of JD in animals and/or the etiologic agent for the above human diseases. To localize such organisms in tissue sections, CWD forms of mycobacteria were prepared in vitro and injected into beef cubes which were then formalin fixed and paraffin embedded. An in situ hybridization (ISH) technique, combined with the IS900 M. paratuberculosis-specific probe labeled with digoxigenin, was developed for the detection of nucleic acids specifically from the CWD forms but not their acid-fast forms in tissue sections. Specificity was confirmed by the negative finding with an irrelevant probe and with control tissue preparations containing CWD cells of related mycobacteria and unrelated organisms. This ISH procedure provides a way to distinguish between the acid-fast and CWD forms of M. paratuberculosis and to localize them in tissue sections. ISH may prove useful to evaluate the significance of CWD forms of M. paratuberculosis in the pathogenesis of JD, Crohn's disease and sarcoidosis. -- http://www.bioresourceinc.com/articles/perspective.html Regards, Catherine . -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I totally agree with a lot of your statements. I am sure cases are caused by Mycoplasma. But there are 900,000 people out there with Celiac Sprue in America. Which at are a high risk of coming down with Lupus or MS from the bread allergy. Thus, a true auto-immune, genetic disease. Which CS will do jack squat for. I am not trying to downplay your theroy, or CS. But not _all_ cases of MS or CFS are caused by Mycoplasma, Lyme or HIV. - Original Message - From: "MARIANO DELISE" To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:25 PM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > All I can tell you is mycoplasma is a very new word even to doctors. Many > have not even heard of it yet. I have two people with fibrmyalgia, two with > chroans, two with lupus, one with chronic fatigue syndrom, eleven with MS, > one with interstitial cyctitis one with shingles. These are all auto immune > diseases. They are all drinking CS and everyone of them is in remission. > The very simple way this was explained to me is that we all have > mycoplasma on our bodies. They are basically harmless until we have a > stress of stome sort in our lives. The explaination that our bodies attach > them selves for no reason has never made sense to me. Millions of perfectly > created bodies just turn on the owner for no reason??Please! What I > undersand (I have no medical background what so ever) the mycoplasma > (myco-extremely tiny + plasmano cell wall) invade your cell during > a stress. The mycoplasma hides in your cell, takes the shape of your cell, > feeds off of your cell. Your immune system knows that there is a pathogen > in your body and attacks.but since the pathogen is so well hidden in > your very own cell, it cannot be found by your immnue system. Therefore, it > attacks,but for a very good reason. There is something there it cannot > find. Obviously, what ever cell it has invaded is the disease you will > get. CS very slowly and very subtly finds these mycoplasma and suffocates > them. > I realize this is an over simplified explanation, but that is the only > thing my simple uneducated mind can understand. > Nancy > Original Message ----- > From: "C Creel" > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:26 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > > > Dear Nancy, > > > > You said: > > > > < > it's quite an eye opener.>> > > > > > > > > **Have you read the articles from the citations? I've read twelve of > > them. > > They don't support what this page is saying. Most of them are very > careful > > to > > say that mycoplasma is a co-factor but no causal relationship is evident. > > > > > >I'm puzzled as to how you can make a claim that mycoplasma is at the > > root of CFS when statistics show that mycoplasma is present in only 30-35% > > of people with CFS. > > > > This is from www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm: > > > > "This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, swollen, and > > painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid diseases, > > fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus and MS, > Crohn's > > and others." > > > > > >** This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw > > incorrect > > conclusions. > > > > Regards, > > Catherine > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > >
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So far it has been myexperience that anyone with MS who has used CS agressively for at least three months will improve. The only people who have not improved are those who decided it would not work ahead of time, drank some for a couple weeks, and said "see it doesn't work for everyone". It is so subtle, and slow people give up. The reseachers can justify anything they want to in their study.If you want stongclaims then you have to stick with the medical profession and the FDA with their 8-10year billion dollar studies that don't really prove anything. - Original Message - From: Paul Ladendorf To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? C Creel wrote: > This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw >incorrect >conclusions. I totally agree. I think it would be narrow-minded to consider all of those diseases as caused by one bacteria, virus, whatever. For example, MS and other neurological disease has been linked to heavy metal poisoning. And what about those people who don't get results from using CS? Could it be that there is a toxin causing the problem such as heavy metals, pcb's, etc. and not mycoplasma? Again, I think we need to be very careful about making claims without having very strong evidence as to their validity. Paul -- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD
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Have you read the reports of using IV theropy with CC for HIV patients?? www.vrp.com/scripts/vrpMoreNews.asp?ART=693&K=colloidal%20silver - Original Message - From: "Marshall Dudley" To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > I think this is the same mistake that the medical community makes with their > association of HIV with AIDS. Cofactors can sometimes confuse cause and > action. With AIDS it is life threatening, since from what I can tell high HIV > counts are caused by the suppressed immune system letting this virus get out of > control, and the drugs to kill HIV suppress the immune system even more, so the > AIDS gets worse while the HIV count goes down. End result is that AZT will kill > the patient faster than doing nothing, and at great expense. But if you find > the root cause of the AIDS, and take care of it, the immune system will take > care of the HIV. > > Marshall > > C Creel wrote: > > > Dear Nancy, > > > > You said: > > > > < > it's quite an eye opener.>> > > > > **Have you read the articles from the citations? I've read twelve of > > them. > > They don't support what this page is saying. Most of them are very careful > > to > > say that mycoplasma is a co-factor but no causal relationship is evident. > > > >I'm puzzled as to how you can make a claim that mycoplasma is at the > > root of CFS when statistics show that mycoplasma is present in only 30-35% > > of people with CFS. > > > > This is from www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm: > > > > "This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, swollen, and > > painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid diseases, > > fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus and MS, Crohn's > > and others." > > > >** This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw > > incorrect > > conclusions. > > > > Regards, > > Catherine > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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All I can tell you is mycoplasma is a very new word even to doctors. Many have not even heard of it yet. I have two people with fibrmyalgia, two with chroans, two with lupus, one with chronic fatigue syndrom, eleven with MS, one with interstitial cyctitis one with shingles. These are all auto immune diseases. They are all drinking CS and everyone of them is in remission. The very simple way this was explained to me is that we all have mycoplasma on our bodies. They are basically harmless until we have a stress of stome sort in our lives. The explaination that our bodies attach them selves for no reason has never made sense to me. Millions of perfectly created bodies just turn on the owner for no reason??Please! What I undersand (I have no medical background what so ever) the mycoplasma (myco-extremely tiny + plasmano cell wall) invade your cell during a stress. The mycoplasma hides in your cell, takes the shape of your cell, feeds off of your cell. Your immune system knows that there is a pathogen in your body and attacks.but since the pathogen is so well hidden in your very own cell, it cannot be found by your immnue system. Therefore, it attacks,but for a very good reason. There is something there it cannot find. Obviously, what ever cell it has invaded is the disease you will get. CS very slowly and very subtly finds these mycoplasma and suffocates them. I realize this is an over simplified explanation, but that is the only thing my simple uneducated mind can understand. Nancy Original Message - From: "C Creel" To: Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 3:26 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > Dear Nancy, > > You said: > > < it's quite an eye opener.>> > > > > **Have you read the articles from the citations? I've read twelve of > them. > They don't support what this page is saying. Most of them are very careful > to > say that mycoplasma is a co-factor but no causal relationship is evident. > > >I'm puzzled as to how you can make a claim that mycoplasma is at the > root of CFS when statistics show that mycoplasma is present in only 30-35% > of people with CFS. > > This is from www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm: > > "This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, swollen, and > painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid diseases, > fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus and MS, Crohn's > and others." > > >** This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw > incorrect > conclusions. > > Regards, > Catherine > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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Cases of MS also are also linked to: - Bread allergy. (Celiac Sprue) - Lyme disease. (And other bacteria) - Flu Shots. - Mercury fillings. - HIV (And other Viruses) - HTLV I and II. - Iron Overload. There are many others. - Original Message - From: Paul Ladendorf To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? C Creel wrote: > This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw >incorrect >conclusions. I totally agree. I think it would be narrow-minded to consider all of those diseases as caused by one bacteria, virus, whatever. For example, MS and other neurological disease has been linked to heavy metal poisoning. And what about those people who don't get results from using CS? Could it be that there is a toxin causing the problem such as heavy metals, pcb's, etc. and not mycoplasma? Again, I think we need to be very careful about making claims without having very strong evidence as to their validity. Paul -- Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD
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Hi Catherine; the whole subject area of cell wall deficient forms is confusing - at least to me. I've just started reading Dr. Mattman's book, don't know if the quote Nancy pointed you to is from the book or someone's precis. What does seem clear is that most detection methodologies are still based on "accepted standards" and may well miss some forms - if seen, considered 'debris' rather than identifiable pleomorphs, and often not seen at all. Whether a PCR would be adequate standalone technology for detection - - - ? Could you give me some references on detection and treatment protocols and general enlightenment on CWD forms and filtrable pleomorphs? TIA, Malcolm At 12:44 AM 11/6/02 -0800, you wrote: Dear Nancy, You said:
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
C Creel wrote: > This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw >incorrect >conclusions. I totally agree. I think it would be narrow-minded to consider all of those diseases as caused by one bacteria, virus, whatever. For example, MS and other neurological disease has been linked to heavy metal poisoning. And what about those people who don't get results from using CS? Could it be that there is a toxin causing the problem such as heavy metals, pcb's, etc. and not mycoplasma? Again, I think we need to be very careful about making claims without having very strong evidence as to their validity. Paul - Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive medley & videos from Greatest Hits CD
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I think this is the same mistake that the medical community makes with their association of HIV with AIDS. Cofactors can sometimes confuse cause and action. With AIDS it is life threatening, since from what I can tell high HIV counts are caused by the suppressed immune system letting this virus get out of control, and the drugs to kill HIV suppress the immune system even more, so the AIDS gets worse while the HIV count goes down. End result is that AZT will kill the patient faster than doing nothing, and at great expense. But if you find the root cause of the AIDS, and take care of it, the immune system will take care of the HIV. Marshall C Creel wrote: > Dear Nancy, > > You said: > > < it's quite an eye opener.>> > > **Have you read the articles from the citations? I've read twelve of > them. > They don't support what this page is saying. Most of them are very careful > to > say that mycoplasma is a co-factor but no causal relationship is evident. > >I'm puzzled as to how you can make a claim that mycoplasma is at the > root of CFS when statistics show that mycoplasma is present in only 30-35% > of people with CFS. > > This is from www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm: > > "This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, swollen, and > painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid diseases, > fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus and MS, Crohn's > and others." > >** This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw > incorrect > conclusions. > > Regards, > Catherine > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
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That may be because, in the genetically modified version, the cell wall is absent. That is what is used to identify the pathogen. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: C Creel [mailto:ccr...@eagle1st.com] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 2:26 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? Dear Nancy, You said: <> **Have you read the articles from the citations? I've read twelve of them. They don't support what this page is saying. Most of them are very careful to say that mycoplasma is a co-factor but no causal relationship is evident. I'm puzzled as to how you can make a claim that mycoplasma is at the root of CFS when statistics show that mycoplasma is present in only 30-35% of people with CFS. This is from www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm: "This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, swollen, and painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid diseases, fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus and MS, Crohn's and others." ** This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw incorrect conclusions. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Dear Nancy, You said: <> **Have you read the articles from the citations? I've read twelve of them. They don't support what this page is saying. Most of them are very careful to say that mycoplasma is a co-factor but no causal relationship is evident. I'm puzzled as to how you can make a claim that mycoplasma is at the root of CFS when statistics show that mycoplasma is present in only 30-35% of people with CFS. This is from www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm: "This allergic type of inflammation often results in heated, swollen, and painful inflamed tissues, like those found in rheumatoid diseases, fibromyalgia and many other autoimmune disorders like lupus and MS, Crohn's and others." ** This type of writing is misleading. It causes people to draw incorrect conclusions. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Check out mycoplasmas - Stealth Pathogens at www.rain-tree.com/myco.htm it's quite an eye opener. Nancy - Original Message - From: "C Creel" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 2:44 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > Dear Nancy, > > You said: > > < I know for a fact that CS helps MS, Lupus, Croans, fibromyalgia and many > otherauto immune diseases caused by micoplasma. >> > > > I think you are jumping the gun with this statement. For instance, > Using PCR and genetic probes, it has been demonstrateed that between > 30 and 35% of CFS patients and 4 to 8% of healthy controls carry > the Mycoplasma fermentans genome in their peripheral blood mononuclear > cells. This does not account for the other 65-70% of people diagnosed > as having CFS. > > It would probably be more accurate to see mycoplasma as > opportunistic bacteria that takes advantage of the body being in > a weakened state. It may serve as a cofactor in the induction of > cytokines and other immune abnormalities found in CFS, but is > by no means the cause of CFS. > > Regards, > Catherine > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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Hello, If there is any documented evidence r.e. Alz. and mycoplasma, I would be very glad indeed for a link. Thanks in advance. JBB MARIANO DELISE wrote: > > FYI Alzheimer's disease is an auto immune disease caused by micoplasma. I > know for a fact that CS helps MS, Lupus, Croans, fibromyalgia and many other > auto immune diseases caused by micoplasma. It would sure be good to know > if CS would also do the same for Alzheimer's??? It would make sense > Nancy > > - Original Message - > From: "Jannette McKoy-Abel" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > > > > There is a theory that the brain requires a lot of magnesium for proper > > functioning, and that many Alzheimer's victims are very deficient in > > magnesium. In some instances, aluminum can be used as a substitute for > > magnesium, so the magnesium deprived brain draws the aluminum from the > > various body tissues in order to substitute it for the needed magnesium - > > hence the wide incidence of high aluminum levels in the brains of > > Alzheimer's Disease sufferers. This might also explain why some get > > Alzheimer's disease, and others do not (baring genetic factors), in > > seemingly similar situations. Interestingly, in the US, aprox. 95% of the > > population has some degree of magnesium deficiency. > > > > BTW, more than 50% of the magnesium found naturally in many raw foods is > > destroyed by heat (even blanching vegetables destroys 80% in some cases), > so > > unless you eat a predominantly raw diet, a magnesium supplement is > > advisable, even if you regularly eat a magnesium-rich diet. And take some > > Cilantro! > > > > Jannette > > > > > > > > > I love English tea, and learned from my supplier that tea plants pull in > > > a lot of aluminum from the soil. I was curious about this apropos > > > aluminum and Alzheimer's disease. I still drink my tea, understanding > > > that aluminum (aluminium to British types) is everywhere. Whether it > > > gets into the brain via foodstuffs, I do not know. Whether cilantro can > > > scavenge it from the brain, as Dr. Y. Omura claims, I do not know, but > > > believe. > > > > > > JBB > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
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Dear Nancy, You said: <> I think you are jumping the gun with this statement. For instance, Using PCR and genetic probes, it has been demonstrateed that between 30 and 35% of CFS patients and 4 to 8% of healthy controls carry the Mycoplasma fermentans genome in their peripheral blood mononuclear cells. This does not account for the other 65-70% of people diagnosed as having CFS. It would probably be more accurate to see mycoplasma as opportunistic bacteria that takes advantage of the body being in a weakened state. It may serve as a cofactor in the induction of cytokines and other immune abnormalities found in CFS, but is by no means the cause of CFS. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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FYI Alzheimer's disease is an auto immune disease caused by micoplasma. I know for a fact that CS helps MS, Lupus, Croans, fibromyalgia and many other auto immune diseases caused by micoplasma. It would sure be good to know if CS would also do the same for Alzheimer's??? It would make sense Nancy - Original Message - From: "Jannette McKoy-Abel" To: Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > There is a theory that the brain requires a lot of magnesium for proper > functioning, and that many Alzheimer's victims are very deficient in > magnesium. In some instances, aluminum can be used as a substitute for > magnesium, so the magnesium deprived brain draws the aluminum from the > various body tissues in order to substitute it for the needed magnesium - > hence the wide incidence of high aluminum levels in the brains of > Alzheimer's Disease sufferers. This might also explain why some get > Alzheimer's disease, and others do not (baring genetic factors), in > seemingly similar situations. Interestingly, in the US, aprox. 95% of the > population has some degree of magnesium deficiency. > > BTW, more than 50% of the magnesium found naturally in many raw foods is > destroyed by heat (even blanching vegetables destroys 80% in some cases), so > unless you eat a predominantly raw diet, a magnesium supplement is > advisable, even if you regularly eat a magnesium-rich diet. And take some > Cilantro! > > Jannette > > > > > I love English tea, and learned from my supplier that tea plants pull in > > a lot of aluminum from the soil. I was curious about this apropos > > aluminum and Alzheimer's disease. I still drink my tea, understanding > > that aluminum (aluminium to British types) is everywhere. Whether it > > gets into the brain via foodstuffs, I do not know. Whether cilantro can > > scavenge it from the brain, as Dr. Y. Omura claims, I do not know, but > > believe. > > > > JBB > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
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On Tue, 05 Nov 2002 14:12:12 +0200, Stephen Summers wrote: >As a homeopath, he stresses that to effect any cure, one first has to get >the pH level of the body correct i.e 7.5. Which Ph? Blood, urine, saliva? They're all different. Chuck Forest: the purpose behind sedatives. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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A friend of ours who is now a practicing homeopath, had systemic lupus. He was in a wheelchair. He cured himself with CS taken intravenously. As a homeopath, he stresses that to effect any cure, one first has to get the pH level of the body correct i.e 7.5. - Original Message - From: "f.capezzuto" To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 8:22 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > Very good point. Dr. Brown in 1988 (and before) was putting a high > percentage of cases of JRA in remission with ABX treatment. His theory was > that most cases of JRA was caused by mycoplasma and other infections like > Lyme and co-infections such as Babs and HGE. He was even on Good Morning > America. > > Just read this on the Arthritis Foundation's webpage. > > http://www.arthritis.org/conditions/diseasecenter/spondyloarthropathy/treatm > ent.asp > > No mention of a possible cause. And if you see, the treatment is only > supportive. No mention of a cure. Or even options. It's pretty pathetic > how these organizations don't tell all of the facts when they are out to > make a buck. They don't base there treatment on science at all. > Considering the anti-inflammitory drugs cause more damage to you in the long > run. > > Just visit the Roadback foundations website (they are one of the few good > organizations), they will show all of the people who were put into remission > from RA with long term ABX treatment. Dr Brown stated a 90 percent "success > rate" for RA sufferers. > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:36 PM > Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > > Lupus is an auto immune disease.I have a hard time believing all these > millions of perfectly formed bodies are "attacking themselves for no reason" > This does not make any sense at all. It is my understanding the mycoplasma > that is hidden in your own cells is the cause of the attack on yourself. > If you kill the mycoplasma with the CS, you are in effect stopping the > disease. I'm convinced most auto immune disease are caused by the > mycoplasma "hiding" in your own cells. So you see, Your body is not > attacking itself, it is attacking the mycoplasma. I have had two people who > had Lupus drink my CS. After several months, they have no longer had any > "attacks". > - Original Message - > From: Marshall Dudley > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:13 AM > Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > > > "f.capezzuto" wrote: > Depending on the cause of the Lupus. Lupus itself is not a single disease. > It's not a disease that has one cause. Some of the things that can cause > Lupus are: - Iron Overload.- Infections like HIV and Lyme Disease.- > Reactions to drugs.- Genetic metabolic disorder.- Reaction to a chemical, > like DDT or a pesticide.- Vaccine reaction. Even a food allergy to bread can > cause Lupus like symptoms. Diagnoses usually happens after they find a > "butterfly rash" and elevated ANA, and SED rate. Now, with CS, to be honest. > It won't work for all cases for Lupus for a cure. Like If you have a bread > allergy, or a reaction to a drug. You can take CS till the cows come home, > and it won't do you much good as far as a cure. It may help with > opportunistic infections, since people that have Lupus, usually have lowered > immune systems. Now, most cases of Lupus are not caused by genetics. Most > cases of Lupus are caused by environmental factors. And most of the > environmental factors that I have found that can cause Lupus, are mostly due > to infections like Lyme, HIV, Hep C, microplasma and stealth viruses. If > that case of Lupus, is cause by a pathogen, then CS should be able to kill > off the invador is administered properly. I have heard of HIV cases being > put into remission from IV CS. So yes, depending on the cause, a percentage > of Lupus victoms can be cured. > > It is my understanding that lupus is an autoimmune response to assaults as > you list above. Thus one can stop the assault, and the lupus may stop > advancing, but as long as the immune system is attacking ones own tissue, > the CS will be of limited value. I wonder if CMO would help reset the > immune system for lupus. That is why I had said earlier that CS might be a > great preventative, but not necessarily an effective cure. > Marshall > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
There is a theory that the brain requires a lot of magnesium for proper functioning, and that many Alzheimer's victims are very deficient in magnesium. In some instances, aluminum can be used as a substitute for magnesium, so the magnesium deprived brain draws the aluminum from the various body tissues in order to substitute it for the needed magnesium - hence the wide incidence of high aluminum levels in the brains of Alzheimer's Disease sufferers. This might also explain why some get Alzheimer's disease, and others do not (baring genetic factors), in seemingly similar situations. Interestingly, in the US, aprox. 95% of the population has some degree of magnesium deficiency. BTW, more than 50% of the magnesium found naturally in many raw foods is destroyed by heat (even blanching vegetables destroys 80% in some cases), so unless you eat a predominantly raw diet, a magnesium supplement is advisable, even if you regularly eat a magnesium-rich diet. And take some Cilantro! Jannette > I love English tea, and learned from my supplier that tea plants pull in > a lot of aluminum from the soil. I was curious about this apropos > aluminum and Alzheimer's disease. I still drink my tea, understanding > that aluminum (aluminium to British types) is everywhere. Whether it > gets into the brain via foodstuffs, I do not know. Whether cilantro can > scavenge it from the brain, as Dr. Y. Omura claims, I do not know, but > believe. > > JBB --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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I love English tea, and learned from my supplier that tea plants pull in a lot of aluminum from the soil. I was curious about this apropos aluminum and Alzheimer's disease. I still drink my tea, understanding that aluminum (aluminium to British types) is everywhere. Whether it gets into the brain via foodstuffs, I do not know. Whether cilantro can scavenge it from the brain, as Dr. Y. Omura claims, I do not know, but believe. JBB Ode Coyote wrote: > > How does smoke attract radon that's not already in the air? > And if it's already in the air, how does one not breath it anyway? > > Some plants do assimilate heavy metals as they grow and tobacco is one, or > so I hear. > Radon and other radioactive elements such as found in granite are not > uncommon in Southern soil. That could be the link and the smoke may be > putting some radioactivity in the air, but I doubt it's the smoke that > attracts anything. > > It was uranium in the orange and yellow Fiestaware that was in the > radioactive glaze. It hasn't been made for many many years and is now very > valuable [if unusable] as a collectors item. > Lead [uranium that has been depleted of its radioactivity over millenia of > time] was once used in many ceramic glazes and is still used in some glass > to enhance optical qualities [Leaded glass crystal is one] and non food > ceramic ware. > Ken > > At 09:39 AM 11/3/02 -0500, you wrote: > >I agree that Po210 would cause cancer. I would like to see more research > >referenced that links the Po210 to calcium phosphate fertilizer. It is > known that > >radon is attracted to cigarette smoke, so a person in a smoke filled room > will > >end up getting exposed to about 100 times as much radon as if they were in > a room > >with clean air. This could easily explain the increase in smokers level > of Po210 > >(Po210 is the granddaughter of Radon 210). > > > >But many foods and such contain fairly large amounts of radioactivity. As a > >nuclear instrumentation engineer, we used some of them as radioactive > sources for > >testing. For instance a banana or avocado contains enough K40 (potassium > 40) to > >easily expose an X-ray negative if you leave one sitting of the plate for a > >while. The mantles for gas lanterns are extremely radioactive, the white > power > >they are doped with is Thorium 232. Some yellow plates have uranium oxide > as the > >yellow dye, and are so hot you can see things glow around them sometimes > from the > >radiation. > > > >Marshall > > > > > > > >jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote: > > > >> f.capezzuto writes: > >> > >> > My sister got a Lupus like disease from taking a stop smoking drug. > >> > > >> > She got worse till...she stopped taking it...two weeks to fully > recover... > >> > > >> > Now she is back to smoking, and healthy. ;) > >> > > >> Engaging Atlantis Rising Magazine (11-12/02 Issue #36; article not yet > >> online) explaining why cigarette smoke is radioactive, and possibly the > >> patches and gums (depending on their ingredient sources): > >> http://www.atlantisrising.com/ > >> Recommendation/conclusion for smokers is to quit, or, ensure your > >> tobacco is grown with appropriate fertilizers. (Pot farmers take note.) > >> > >> The fertilizers used on the tobacco fields are the culprit (same article > >> reference): > >> > >> > Lives could be saved by simply changing fertilizers, they say... > >> > > >> > Almost 95% of the Lung Cancer caused by Cigarettes are allegedly the > result > >> > > >> > of using calcium phosphate fertilizer to grow the Tobacco... > >> > > >> > http://www.acsa.net/HealthAlert/lungcancer.html > >> > > >> jr > >> > >> -- > >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >> > >> Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > >> > >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >> > >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >> > >> List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Ode Coyote wrote: > How does smoke attract radon that's not already in the air? > And if it's already in the air, how does one not breath it anyway? > There is radon in the air. Unfortunately in East Tennessee where I live, there can be quite a bit of it from the traces of radium in the underling shale rock. It is attracted to and attaches to smoke particles. When you breathe in radon gas, it is in the lungs about 1 second before being breathed out. The probability of it decaying during that second it pretty remote, so most of it does no harm. When attached to a smoke particle, the particle usually gets lodged in the lung or sinus mucus. The body eventually expells it as long as you have not smoked so much this mechanism no longer works. If the particle stays in the lungs for 4 hours, then the exposure to radiation from the radon (and the production of the solid daughter products such as polonium) will increase by the ratio of a second to 4*60*60 seconds, or about 14,400 to one. > > Some plants do assimilate heavy metals as they grow and tobacco is one, or > so I hear. > Radon and other radioactive elements such as found in granite are not > uncommon in Southern soil. That could be the link and the smoke may be > putting some radioactivity in the air, but I doubt it's the smoke that > attracts anything. This is a very well documented fact. I use to work in Oak Ridge. The employees at the labs were divided into two groups, those that smoked and those that did not. Those that did not were the ones allowed into areas that had radon because of this. http://www.epa.gov/iaq/radon/radonqa1.html Smokers are at higher risk of developing Radon-induced lung cancer http://www.epa.gov/iaq/radon/pubs/physic.html Exposure to both smoking and radon greatly enhances the risk of lung cancer. The Health Risk How Does Radon Induce Cancer? If inhaled, radon decay products (polonium-218 and polonium-214, solid form), unattached or attached to the surface of aerosols, dusts, and smoke particles, become deeply lodged or trapped in the lungs, where they can radiate and penetrate the cells of mucous membranes, bronchi, and other pulmonary tissues. The ionizing radiation energy affecting the bronchial epithelial cells is believed to initiate the process of carcinogenesis. Although radon-related lung cancers are mainly seen in the upper airways, radon increases the incidence of all histological types of lung cancer, including small cell carcinoma, adenocarcinoma, and squamous cell carcinoma. Lung cancer due to inhalation of radon decay products constitutes the only known risk associated with radon. In studies done on miners, variables such as age, duration of exposure, time since initiation of exposure and especially the use of tobacco have been found to influence individual risk. In fact, the use of tobacco multiplies the risk of radon-induced lung cancer enormously. http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Drugs/THC/Health/cancer.rad.html Martell and Sweder (14) report that indoor radon decay products that pass from the room air through burning cigarettes into mainstream smoke are present in large, insoluble smoke particles that are selectively deposited at bifurcations. http://www.ul.cs.cmu.edu/webRoot/Books/National_Academy_Press_Books/env_tobacco_smoke/041.htm radon daughters) can be adsorbed on the particles (of smoke) Published refererences: When radon is present in the air, aerosol particles, including those of tobacco smoke, tend to adsorb the earlier decay products of radon, namely the so-called short-lived daughters (Po-218, Pb-214, Bi-214, and Po-214), i.e, those preceding the long-lived daughters in the decay chain (Raabe, 1969; Kruger and N6thing, 1979; Bergman and Axelson, 1983). In clean air, the short-lived radon daughters tend to be more unattached to aerosol particles and therefore are more easily deposited on walls, furniture, etc., especially through electrostatic forces. In the presence of an aerosol like tobacco smoke, some of the short-lived radon daughters are attached to particles, and therefore remain available for inhalation to a much greater extent than would otherwise be the case. Indoor radon-daughter concentration can more than double in the presence of tobacco smoke (Bergman and Axelson, 1983). Since radon daughter exposure is a well-known cause of lung cancer in miners, the described attachment of radon daughters to cigarette smoke would contribute to the carcinogenic potential of ETS (Little et al., 1965; Rajewsky and Stahlhofen, 1966; Radford and Martell, 1978). Given the presence of appreciable amounts of radon in indoor air, irradiation of the bronchial tract from radon daughters attached to smoke aerosol could be more important than the irradiation from the long-lived daughters in the tobacco itself. This subject needs further research, especially in light of recent reports on the widespread prevalence of indoor radon throughout the world. > > > It was uranium in the
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
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Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
How does smoke attract radon that's not already in the air? And if it's already in the air, how does one not breath it anyway? Some plants do assimilate heavy metals as they grow and tobacco is one, or so I hear. Radon and other radioactive elements such as found in granite are not uncommon in Southern soil. That could be the link and the smoke may be putting some radioactivity in the air, but I doubt it's the smoke that attracts anything. It was uranium in the orange and yellow Fiestaware that was in the radioactive glaze. It hasn't been made for many many years and is now very valuable [if unusable] as a collectors item. Lead [uranium that has been depleted of its radioactivity over millenia of time] was once used in many ceramic glazes and is still used in some glass to enhance optical qualities [Leaded glass crystal is one] and non food ceramic ware. Ken At 09:39 AM 11/3/02 -0500, you wrote: >I agree that Po210 would cause cancer. I would like to see more research >referenced that links the Po210 to calcium phosphate fertilizer. It is known that >radon is attracted to cigarette smoke, so a person in a smoke filled room will >end up getting exposed to about 100 times as much radon as if they were in a room >with clean air. This could easily explain the increase in smokers level of Po210 >(Po210 is the granddaughter of Radon 210). > >But many foods and such contain fairly large amounts of radioactivity. As a >nuclear instrumentation engineer, we used some of them as radioactive sources for >testing. For instance a banana or avocado contains enough K40 (potassium 40) to >easily expose an X-ray negative if you leave one sitting of the plate for a >while. The mantles for gas lanterns are extremely radioactive, the white power >they are doped with is Thorium 232. Some yellow plates have uranium oxide as the >yellow dye, and are so hot you can see things glow around them sometimes from the >radiation. > >Marshall > > > >jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote: > >> f.capezzuto writes: >> >> > My sister got a Lupus like disease from taking a stop smoking drug. >> > >> > She got worse till...she stopped taking it...two weeks to fully recover... >> > >> > Now she is back to smoking, and healthy. ;) >> > >> Engaging Atlantis Rising Magazine (11-12/02 Issue #36; article not yet >> online) explaining why cigarette smoke is radioactive, and possibly the >> patches and gums (depending on their ingredient sources): >> http://www.atlantisrising.com/ >> Recommendation/conclusion for smokers is to quit, or, ensure your >> tobacco is grown with appropriate fertilizers. (Pot farmers take note.) >> >> The fertilizers used on the tobacco fields are the culprit (same article >> reference): >> >> > Lives could be saved by simply changing fertilizers, they say... >> > >> > Almost 95% of the Lung Cancer caused by Cigarettes are allegedly the result >> > >> > of using calcium phosphate fertilizer to grow the Tobacco... >> > >> > http://www.acsa.net/HealthAlert/lungcancer.html >> > >> jr >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >> List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
I agree that Po210 would cause cancer. I would like to see more research referenced that links the Po210 to calcium phosphate fertilizer. It is known that radon is attracted to cigarette smoke, so a person in a smoke filled room will end up getting exposed to about 100 times as much radon as if they were in a room with clean air. This could easily explain the increase in smokers level of Po210 (Po210 is the granddaughter of Radon 210). But many foods and such contain fairly large amounts of radioactivity. As a nuclear instrumentation engineer, we used some of them as radioactive sources for testing. For instance a banana or avocado contains enough K40 (potassium 40) to easily expose an X-ray negative if you leave one sitting of the plate for a while. The mantles for gas lanterns are extremely radioactive, the white power they are doped with is Thorium 232. Some yellow plates have uranium oxide as the yellow dye, and are so hot you can see things glow around them sometimes from the radiation. Marshall jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote: > f.capezzuto writes: > > > My sister got a Lupus like disease from taking a stop smoking drug. > > > > She got worse till...she stopped taking it...two weeks to fully recover... > > > > Now she is back to smoking, and healthy. ;) > > > Engaging Atlantis Rising Magazine (11-12/02 Issue #36; article not yet > online) explaining why cigarette smoke is radioactive, and possibly the > patches and gums (depending on their ingredient sources): > http://www.atlantisrising.com/ > Recommendation/conclusion for smokers is to quit, or, ensure your > tobacco is grown with appropriate fertilizers. (Pot farmers take note.) > > The fertilizers used on the tobacco fields are the culprit (same article > reference): > > > Lives could be saved by simply changing fertilizers, they say... > > > > Almost 95% of the Lung Cancer caused by Cigarettes are allegedly the result > > > > of using calcium phosphate fertilizer to grow the Tobacco... > > > > http://www.acsa.net/HealthAlert/lungcancer.html > > > jr > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Thanks, I will pass this info on to her. :) - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 12:44 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > f.capezzuto writes: > > > My sister got a Lupus like disease from taking a stop smoking drug. > > > > She got worse till...she stopped taking it...two weeks to fully recover... > > > > Now she is back to smoking, and healthy. ;) > > > Engaging Atlantis Rising Magazine (11-12/02 Issue #36; article not yet > online) explaining why cigarette smoke is radioactive, and possibly the > patches and gums (depending on their ingredient sources): > http://www.atlantisrising.com/ > Recommendation/conclusion for smokers is to quit, or, ensure your > tobacco is grown with appropriate fertilizers. (Pot farmers take note.) > > The fertilizers used on the tobacco fields are the culprit (same article > reference): > > > Lives could be saved by simply changing fertilizers, they say... > > > > Almost 95% of the Lung Cancer caused by Cigarettes are allegedly the result > > > > of using calcium phosphate fertilizer to grow the Tobacco... > > > > http://www.acsa.net/HealthAlert/lungcancer.html > > > jr > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
f.capezzuto writes: > My sister got a Lupus like disease from taking a stop smoking drug. > > She got worse till...she stopped taking it...two weeks to fully recover... > > Now she is back to smoking, and healthy. ;) > Engaging Atlantis Rising Magazine (11-12/02 Issue #36; article not yet online) explaining why cigarette smoke is radioactive, and possibly the patches and gums (depending on their ingredient sources): http://www.atlantisrising.com/ Recommendation/conclusion for smokers is to quit, or, ensure your tobacco is grown with appropriate fertilizers. (Pot farmers take note.) The fertilizers used on the tobacco fields are the culprit (same article reference): > Lives could be saved by simply changing fertilizers, they say... > > Almost 95% of the Lung Cancer caused by Cigarettes are allegedly the result > > of using calcium phosphate fertilizer to grow the Tobacco... > > http://www.acsa.net/HealthAlert/lungcancer.html > jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
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Very good point. Dr. Brown in 1988 (and before) was putting a high percentage of cases of JRA in remission with ABX treatment. His theory was that most cases of JRA was caused by mycoplasma and other infections like Lyme and co-infections such as Babs and HGE. He was even on Good Morning America. Just read this on the Arthritis Foundation's webpage. http://www.arthritis.org/conditions/diseasecenter/spondyloarthropathy/treatm ent.asp No mention of a possible cause. And if you see, the treatment is only supportive. No mention of a cure. Or even options. It's pretty pathetic how these organizations don't tell all of the facts when they are out to make a buck. They don't base there treatment on science at all. Considering the anti-inflammitory drugs cause more damage to you in the long run. Just visit the Roadback foundations website (they are one of the few good organizations), they will show all of the people who were put into remission from RA with long term ABX treatment. Dr Brown stated a 90 percent "success rate" for RA sufferers. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 11:36 PM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? Lupus is an auto immune disease.I have a hard time believing all these millions of perfectly formed bodies are "attacking themselves for no reason" This does not make any sense at all. It is my understanding the mycoplasma that is hidden in your own cells is the cause of the attack on yourself. If you kill the mycoplasma with the CS, you are in effect stopping the disease. I'm convinced most auto immune disease are caused by the mycoplasma "hiding" in your own cells. So you see, Your body is not attacking itself, it is attacking the mycoplasma. I have had two people who had Lupus drink my CS. After several months, they have no longer had any "attacks". - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? "f.capezzuto" wrote: Depending on the cause of the Lupus. Lupus itself is not a single disease. It's not a disease that has one cause. Some of the things that can cause Lupus are: - Iron Overload.- Infections like HIV and Lyme Disease.- Reactions to drugs.- Genetic metabolic disorder.- Reaction to a chemical, like DDT or a pesticide.- Vaccine reaction. Even a food allergy to bread can cause Lupus like symptoms. Diagnoses usually happens after they find a "butterfly rash" and elevated ANA, and SED rate. Now, with CS, to be honest. It won't work for all cases for Lupus for a cure. Like If you have a bread allergy, or a reaction to a drug. You can take CS till the cows come home, and it won't do you much good as far as a cure. It may help with opportunistic infections, since people that have Lupus, usually have lowered immune systems. Now, most cases of Lupus are not caused by genetics. Most cases of Lupus are caused by environmental factors. And most of the environmental factors that I have found that can cause Lupus, are mostly due to infections like Lyme, HIV, Hep C, microplasma and stealth viruses. If that case of Lupus, is cause by a pathogen, then CS should be able to kill off the invador is administered properly. I have heard of HIV cases being put into remission from IV CS. So yes, depending on the cause, a percentage of Lupus victoms can be cured. It is my understanding that lupus is an autoimmune response to assaults as you list above. Thus one can stop the assault, and the lupus may stop advancing, but as long as the immune system is attacking ones own tissue, the CS will be of limited value. I wonder if CMO would help reset the immune system for lupus. That is why I had said earlier that CS might be a great preventative, but not necessarily an effective cure. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Lupus is an auto immune disease.I have a hard time believing all these millions of perfectly formed bodies are "attacking themselves for no reason" This does not make any sense at all. It is my understanding the mycoplasma that is hidden in your own cells is the cause of the attack on yourself. If you kill the mycoplasma with the CS, you are in effect stopping the disease. I'm convinced most auto immune disease are caused by the mycoplasma "hiding" in your own cells. So you see, Your body is not attacking itself, it is attacking the mycoplasma. I have had two people who had Lupus drink my CS. After several months, they have no longer had any "attacks". - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? "f.capezzuto" wrote: Depending on the cause of the Lupus. Lupus itself is not a single disease. It's not a disease that has one cause. Some of the things that can cause Lupus are: - Iron Overload.- Infections like HIV and Lyme Disease.- Reactions to drugs.- Genetic metabolic disorder.- Reaction to a chemical, like DDT or a pesticide.- Vaccine reaction. Even a food allergy to bread can cause Lupus like symptoms. Diagnoses usually happens after they find a "butterfly rash" and elevated ANA, and SED rate. Now, with CS, to be honest. It won't work for all cases for Lupus for a cure. Like If you have a bread allergy, or a reaction to a drug. You can take CS till the cows come home, and it won't do you much good as far as a cure. It may help with opportunistic infections, since people that have Lupus, usually have lowered immune systems. Now, most cases of Lupus are not caused by genetics. Most cases of Lupus are caused by environmental factors. And most of the environmental factors that I have found that can cause Lupus, are mostly due to infections like Lyme, HIV, Hep C, microplasma and stealth viruses. If that case of Lupus, is cause by a pathogen, then CS should be able to kill off the invador is administered properly. I have heard of HIV cases being put into remission from IV CS. So yes, depending on the cause, a percentage of Lupus victoms can be cured. It is my understanding that lupus is an autoimmune response to assaults as you list above. Thus one can stop the assault, and the lupus may stop advancing, but as long as the immune system is attacking ones own tissue, the CS will be of limited value. I wonder if CMO would help reset the immune system for lupus. That is why I had said earlier that CS might be a great preventative, but not necessarily an effective cure. Marshall
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
- Original Message - From: "Jannette McKoy-Abel" To: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:06 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? > Frank, > I would not call the use of CS as a "Cure", but rather a "control" of Lupus. > In fact, IMHO, this statement can be applied to a number of autoimmune > conditions. There is a school of thought that MS, Lupus, Sarcoidosis, R. > Arthritis and a few others are primarily caused, not by our immune systems > going "crazy", but by the immune system's attempt to eliminate a virus or > pathogen deep in the tissues of the organ being attacked. In these cases, > CS will take care of the virus/pathogen immediately present, and if exposure > to these substances never happens again, then in time the damage, if not too > severe can be repaired, and subscequently reveresed. Well I have heard some rags to riches stories about people having a 'pathogen' of some sort, getting treatment (to kill the infection) and getting cured of the syndrome. I have talked to people online who were misdiagnosed with MS (to later find out that they have Lyme.) self treat with CS, and they become cured, since they killed the spirochete with the CS. So without addressing the Lupus with the standard treatment of NSAIDs, you effectivily cure the Lupus by getting to the root of the problem. Not 'controlling it'. Again, I did not state that CS is a cure for all cases of Lupus. It depends on what is causing the Lupus. > IMHO, this ties in completely with the diet-based "cures" theory, as it > appears that in many cases the "virus/pathogen" cannot be identified, and > that is because there is NONE! Well I would not say that. Just cause they can't find the pathogen, that does not mean it's not there. For instance, the standard HIV test does not pick up the pathogen till 6 months after one is infected. And the Lyme Disease Western Blot was ridiculously inaccurate, till they recently invented a culture that works. And when they discover more and more disease causing pathogens, and new ways to detect them. Simply stating that there is "NONE" is a blanket statement. I do agree. Diet can totally make the difference in how bad the pathogen can affect you. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Yes, once the invader is stopped, your body can do wonderful things to rebound. If you are still sick with Lupus, for months and months of waxing and waining symptoms after you eliminate a possibile cause. Then the cause is still there. If the toxin and or substance is removed from the body, your body will heal. Unless there is some permanant damage. If CS kills the pathogen, and you detox from the toxins the bug left behind, you can 'cure' yourself of a of Lupus. My sister got a Lupus like disease from taking a stop smoking drug. She got worse till she put two and two together and she stopped taking it. (To bad her stupid doctor did not bring this up as a possibility). It took about two weeks for her to get back to a "tolerable" state. And about another two weeks to fully recover after she stopped taking the drug. Before that, she was in bad shape when she was on the drug. Now she is back to smoking, and healthy. ;) I never heard of any well researched method of 'resetting' your immune system. That does not sound like something that's a good idea. If anything, you want to boost it. Cause if 'fighting' something. - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:13 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? "f.capezzuto" wrote: Depending on the cause of the Lupus. Lupus itself is not a single disease. It's not a disease that has one cause. Some of the things that can cause Lupus are: - Iron Overload.- Infections like HIV and Lyme Disease.- Reactions to drugs.- Genetic metabolic disorder.- Reaction to a chemical, like DDT or a pesticide.- Vaccine reaction. Even a food allergy to bread can cause Lupus like symptoms. Diagnoses usually happens after they find a "butterfly rash" and elevated ANA, and SED rate. Now, with CS, to be honest. It won't work for all cases for Lupus for a cure. Like If you have a bread allergy, or a reaction to a drug. You can take CS till the cows come home, and it won't do you much good as far as a cure. It may help with opportunistic infections, since people that have Lupus, usually have lowered immune systems. Now, most cases of Lupus are not caused by genetics. Most cases of Lupus are caused by environmental factors. And most of the environmental factors that I have found that can cause Lupus, are mostly due to infections like Lyme, HIV, Hep C, microplasma and stealth viruses. If that case of Lupus, is cause by a pathogen, then CS should be able to kill off the invador is administered properly. I have heard of HIV cases being put into remission from IV CS. So yes, depending on the cause, a percentage of Lupus victoms can be cured. It is my understanding that lupus is an autoimmune response to assaults as you list above. Thus one can stop the assault, and the lupus may stop advancing, but as long as the immune system is attacking ones own tissue, the CS will be of limited value. I wonder if CMO would help reset the immune system for lupus. That is why I had said earlier that CS might be a great preventative, but not necessarily an effective cure. Marshall
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Frank, I would not call the use of CS as a "Cure", but rather a "control" of Lupus. In fact, IMHO, this statement can be applied to a number of autoimmune conditions. There is a school of thought that MS, Lupus, Sarcoidosis, R. Arthritis and a few others are primarily caused, not by our immune systems going "crazy", but by the immune system's attempt to eliminate a virus or pathogen deep in the tissues of the organ being attacked. In these cases, CS will take care of the virus/pathogen immediately present, and if exposure to these substances never happens again, then in time the damage, if not too severe can be repaired, and subscequently reveresed. Recently there have been some significant studies where onset attacks have been treated with some unusual broad spectrum antibiotics, with great success. In most cases they expect to have to repeat the antibiotic treatment some time in the future. IMHO, this ties in completely with the diet-based "cures" theory, as it appears that in many cases the "virus/pathogen" cannot be identified, and that is because there is NONE! The immune response appears to have been triggered by common substances that the body has erroneuously identified as "virus/pathogen". Most often these common substances are foods, such as gluten, wheat, corn, dairy, potatoes etc. The theory behind this is that some virus/pathogens disguise themselves as these food molecules, and once the immune systems Natural Killer cells "out" the disguised invaders (known as "lectins"), any molecules even "resembling" these invaders are routed out, hence the body starts attacking itself, and the "disease" is back. Both these theories make perfect sense to me, so there is my personal auto-immune cure: 1) Kill any viral/pathogen infection with abx. or preferably CS in the most efficient way. 2) Re-educate the immune system, so it can distinguish friend from foe. IMHO, this is best accomplished by a course of immune system infopeptides. (Yes, this does exist). 3) Avoid the offending easily imitated food molecules, such as gluten, wheat, corn, etc. so that the body gets a chance to repair the damage of the attacks, if it can, and to at the very least, prevent further damage. Again, IMHO, this is best accomplished by following the blood type diet, where your food choices are dictated by your blood type, therefore your digestive system will only have to contend with food that it can handle, and only properly processed food molecules will pass into the body tissues, and the immune system will be less likely to react inappropriately. To those of you that would pooh-hooh the blood type diet, bear in mind one thing, our boddies are created with maximum efficiency, purpose and order. If blood type and digestion have no relation at all, why would the gene controlling blood type be located in the midst of the genes that control digestion? As an aside, in horses, the genes controlling blood type are located with the genes that control coat color. In essence, the blood type diet is the practical application of the study of "Lectinolgy", which is getting a lot of validation in Europe, etc. 4) Adopt a "positive mental attitude" regarding the auto-immune condition, using methods like EFT (Emotion Freedom Technique). This will help to keep the body (and Soul) in proper working order, and delay/prevent relapses. This is my take on the "cure" of most auto-immune conditions. I am not a professional scientist, (and no one would mistake me for one! LOL ) and have used almost all simple laymen terms, but the principles are basically sound, and there is a ton of references out there to back-up my theories. For myself, this has been the control of my MS, Fibromyalgia, carpel tunnel syndrone and CFS. After 6 years of wheelchairs, walkers, canes, blurry vision, etc, I can now begin to envision a time when I might become a "useful productive member of society" again. I have almost completed one year of NO hospitalizations, great decrease in prescription meds, and even periods of BOREDOM!! There is no magic bullet for auto-immune conditions, which makes sense, as there is no one cause. All MHO. Jannette - Original Message ----- From: f.capezzuto To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:55 AM Subject: Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? Depending on the cause of the Lupus. Lupus itself is not a single disease. It's not a disease that has one cause. Some of the things that can cause Lupus are: - Iron Overload. - Infections like HIV and Lyme Disease. - Reactions to drugs. - Genetic metabolic disorder. - Reaction to a chemical, like DDT or a pesticide. - Vaccine reaction. Even a food allergy to bread can cause Lupus like symptoms. Diagnoses usually happens after they find a "butterfly rash" and elevated ANA, and SED rate
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
"f.capezzuto" wrote: > Depending on the cause of the Lupus. Lupus itself is not a single > disease. It's not a disease that has one cause. Some of the things > that can cause Lupus are: - Iron Overload.- Infections like HIV and > Lyme Disease.- Reactions to drugs.- Genetic metabolic disorder.- > Reaction to a chemical, like DDT or a pesticide.- Vaccine > reaction. Even a food allergy to bread can cause Lupus like symptoms. > Diagnoses usually happens after they find a "butterfly rash" and > elevated ANA, and SED rate. Now, with CS, to be honest. It won't work > for all cases for Lupus for a cure. Like If you have a bread allergy, > or a reaction to a drug. You can take CS till the cows come home, and > it won't do you much good as far as a cure. It may help with > opportunistic infections, since people that have Lupus, usually have > lowered immune systems. Now, most cases of Lupus are not caused by > genetics. Most cases of Lupus are caused by environmental factors. > And most of the environmental factors that I have found that can cause > Lupus, are mostly due to infections like Lyme, HIV, Hep C, microplasma > and stealth viruses. If that case of Lupus, is cause by a pathogen, > then CS should be able to kill off the invador is administered > properly. I have heard of HIV cases being put into remission from IV > CS. So yes, depending on the cause, a percentage of Lupus victoms can > be cured. It is my understanding that lupus is an autoimmune response to assaults as you list above. Thus one can stop the assault, and the lupus may stop advancing, but as long as the immune system is attacking ones own tissue, the CS will be of limited value. I wonder if CMO would help reset the immune system for lupus. That is why I had said earlier that CS might be a great preventative, but not necessarily an effective cure. Marshall
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
Depending on the cause of the Lupus. Lupus itself is not a single disease. It's not a disease that has one cause. Some of the things that can cause Lupus are: - Iron Overload. - Infections like HIV and Lyme Disease. - Reactions to drugs. - Genetic metabolic disorder. - Reaction to a chemical, like DDT or a pesticide. - Vaccine reaction. Even a food allergy to bread can cause Lupus like symptoms. Diagnoses usually happens after they find a "butterfly rash" and elevated ANA, and SED rate. Now, with CS, to be honest. It won't work for all cases for Lupus for a cure. Like If you have a bread allergy, or a reaction to a drug. You can take CS till the cows come home, and it won't do you much good as far as a cure. It may help with opportunistic infections, since people that have Lupus, usually have lowered immune systems. Now, most cases of Lupus are not caused by genetics. Most cases of Lupus are caused by environmental factors. And most of the environmental factors that I have found that can cause Lupus, are mostly due to infections like Lyme, HIV, Hep C, microplasma and stealth viruses. If that case of Lupus, is cause by a pathogen, then CS should be able to kill off the invador is administered properly. I have heard of HIV cases being put into remission from IV CS. So yes, depending on the cause, a percentage of Lupus victoms can be cured. - Original Message - From: Steve Reniger To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:48 AM Subject: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS? Hello! Has anyone had success with CS and Lupus? Thanks! Steve Reniger
Re: CS>Has anyone had success with CS and LUPUS?
My mother tried for a short term and did not notice any improvement. However I do think it might be good as a preventative, even if not a cure. Marshall Steve Reniger wrote: > Hello! Has anyone had success with CS and Lupus? Thanks!Steve Reniger
