Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[Jim Holmes]

See: *Practicing  Medicine Without a License *  Owen Fonrow

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:43 PM, John E. Stevens <
jonellis.steven...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Simeon:  I'll get back to you.
>
> Sunny:
>
> There are companies out there in the market place that sell good vitamins,
> minerals and organic whole food source supplements at a decent price.  When
> possible I store up when there are 2 for the price of 1 sales.  There are
> certain supplements I've been taking for 35 or more years and will never
> give up.  As you say, wellness is paramount and the prevention of disease is
> also paramount.
> I also grow an organic garden every summer and can and freeze for winter
> usage.  Grow as much fruit as you can, too.  It's difficult to grow pine
> tree bark, though (ha...) and ubiquinol...
> There are some supplements you cannot grow because of the source (i.e.,
> vitamin E with mixed tocoph and toc., etc.,)  and some you cannot grow
> depending somewhat on your weather and growing season.
> One reason I have my own CSW makers is because the cost at health food
> stores is absurd - and usually we can make a better (and stronger) CSW than
> they sell at health food stores for extremely less money.
> Once a month I sit and fill cleaned plastic 35 mm film containers with all
> of my vitamin and mineral supplements for the month so if I leave to
> substitute teach or work somewhere, I can tote them with me easily.  I
> always bring my own lunch, my own water and my own organic coffee -because I
> don't trust restaurants and I will not drink chlorinated water. I also carry
> CSW in an amber bottle with me - and CSW in a nose spray.  I use a portable
> ozonator to ozonate my drinking water (sometimes), but I always use a
> vitalizer to add a lot more oxygen to the water.  i know the vitalizer works
> well, because when the Red Cross takes a pint of my blood every 56 days they
> tell me my blood is highly oxygenated.  Why is that important?  Because
> disease, cancer, viruses and other harmful bacteria cannot live in a highly
> oxygenated environment.
> If we don't have our heath - we have nothing...
>
> John
>
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Donna  wrote:
>
>> Yes I would love to buy alot of things but simply can't afford it on a
>> fixed income. Shame it's so expensive to try and stay healthy!
>> Donna ACS
>>
>>  John I admire your attention to health.  And I'm wondering two thing..
>>> how much must it cost to take all these supplements and if we dont have
>>> those kind of funds, where can we obtain this naturally. Could it be by
>>> growing a forest garden?
>>>  I'm serious here... when I had money I'd buy all this stuff.. and start
>>> a regime.. but to be naturally healthy these days it appears one has to also
>>> have a lot of 'money-energy'.  No griping here, I chose a life of simplicity
>>> to divest myself.. but wellness is paramount.
>>>  Can anyone share how we can get these nutrients more naturally.. for
>>> example, berries from a bush and food that is readily available locally?
>>> That would be a challenge...
>>>  and thanks to you all for your astounding knowledge sharing..
>>> with love
>>> sunny
>>>
>>> */A peek into our world/*..
>>>
>>> Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All
>>>
>>>
>>> *Feed the Future-* *The blog* In depth articles *-* forest gardens,
>>> natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve
>>> and emerge? <http://www.pierresoleil.com/ourblog>
>>> /**/
>>>
>>> /*Follow us on Twitter - **www.twitter.com/return2earth* <
>>> http://www.twitter.com/return2earth>
>>> Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food,
>>> community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep
>>>  *Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a
>>> simpler life*/
>>>
>>> /Tune in and friend us on *Facebook* <
>>> http://www.facebook.com/return2earth>- Pierre Soleil return to earth/
>>>
>>> //
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> *From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
>>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>>> *Sent:* Tue, January 12, 2010 6:52:23 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
>>>
>>> Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all
>>> that !  dee
>>>

Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[John E. Stevens]

Simeon:  I'll get back to you.

Sunny:

There are companies out there in the market place that sell good vitamins,
minerals and organic whole food source supplements at a decent price.  When
possible I store up when there are 2 for the price of 1 sales.  There are
certain supplements I've been taking for 35 or more years and will never
give up.  As you say, wellness is paramount and the prevention of disease is
also paramount.
I also grow an organic garden every summer and can and freeze for winter
usage.  Grow as much fruit as you can, too.  It's difficult to grow pine
tree bark, though (ha...) and ubiquinol...
There are some supplements you cannot grow because of the source (i.e.,
vitamin E with mixed tocoph and toc., etc.,)  and some you cannot grow
depending somewhat on your weather and growing season.
One reason I have my own CSW makers is because the cost at health food
stores is absurd - and usually we can make a better (and stronger) CSW than
they sell at health food stores for extremely less money.
Once a month I sit and fill cleaned plastic 35 mm film containers with all
of my vitamin and mineral supplements for the month so if I leave to
substitute teach or work somewhere, I can tote them with me easily.  I
always bring my own lunch, my own water and my own organic coffee -because I
don't trust restaurants and I will not drink chlorinated water. I also carry
CSW in an amber bottle with me - and CSW in a nose spray.  I use a portable
ozonator to ozonate my drinking water (sometimes), but I always use a
vitalizer to add a lot more oxygen to the water.  i know the vitalizer works
well, because when the Red Cross takes a pint of my blood every 56 days they
tell me my blood is highly oxygenated.  Why is that important?  Because
disease, cancer, viruses and other harmful bacteria cannot live in a highly
oxygenated environment.
If we don't have our heath - we have nothing...

John

On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Donna  wrote:

> Yes I would love to buy alot of things but simply can't afford it on a
> fixed income. Shame it's so expensive to try and stay healthy!
> Donna ACS
>
>  John I admire your attention to health.  And I'm wondering two thing.. how
>> much must it cost to take all these supplements and if we dont have those
>> kind of funds, where can we obtain this naturally. Could it be by growing a
>> forest garden?
>>  I'm serious here... when I had money I'd buy all this stuff.. and start a
>> regime.. but to be naturally healthy these days it appears one has to also
>> have a lot of 'money-energy'.  No griping here, I chose a life of simplicity
>> to divest myself.. but wellness is paramount.
>>  Can anyone share how we can get these nutrients more naturally.. for
>> example, berries from a bush and food that is readily available locally?
>> That would be a challenge...
>>  and thanks to you all for your astounding knowledge sharing..
>> with love
>> sunny
>>
>> */A peek into our world/*..
>>
>> Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All
>>
>>
>> *Feed the Future-* *The blog* In depth articles *-* forest gardens,
>> natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve
>> and emerge? <http://www.pierresoleil.com/ourblog>
>> /**/
>>
>> /*Follow us on Twitter - **www.twitter.com/return2earth* <
>> http://www.twitter.com/return2earth>
>> Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food,
>> community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep
>>  *Info on what's going on and alternative and natural technologies for a
>> simpler life*/
>>
>> /Tune in and friend us on *Facebook* <
>> http://www.facebook.com/return2earth>- Pierre Soleil return to earth/
>>
>> //
>>
>>
>> 
>> *From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>> *Sent:* Tue, January 12, 2010 6:52:23 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries
>>
>> Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all that
>> !  dee
>>
>> On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote:
>>
>> > Hi, Simeon:
>> >
>> > I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive
>> Vitamin C from berries, and "regular" vitamin C with bio - no buffer.  i eat
>> about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg  of Vit C with each
>> of those two meals.
>> > Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their
>> life, health history, family health history - it's

Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[Donna]

Yes I would love to buy alot of things but simply can't afford it on a 
fixed income. Shame it's so expensive to try and stay healthy!

Donna ACS

John I admire your attention to health.  And I'm wondering two thing.. 
how much must it cost to take all these supplements and if we dont 
have those kind of funds, where can we obtain this naturally. Could it 
be by growing a forest garden?
 
I'm serious here... when I had money I'd buy all this stuff.. and 
start a regime.. but to be naturally healthy these days it appears one 
has to also have a lot of 'money-energy'.  No griping here, I chose a 
life of simplicity to divest myself.. but wellness is paramount.
 
Can anyone share how we can get these nutrients more naturally.. for 
example, berries from a bush and food that is readily available 
locally? That would be a challenge...
 
and thanks to you all for your astounding knowledge sharing..

with love
sunny
 


*/A peek into our world/*..

Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All


*Feed the Future-* *The blog* In depth articles *-* forest gardens, 
natural wellness, human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to 
evolve and emerge? <http://www.pierresoleil.com/ourblog>

/**/

/*Follow us on Twitter - **www.twitter.com/return2earth* 
<http://www.twitter.com/return2earth>
Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, 
community v nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v 
asleep  *Info on what's going on and alternative and natural 
technologies for a simpler life*/


/Tune in and friend us on *Facebook* 
<http://www.facebook.com/return2earth>- Pierre Soleil return to earth/


// 





*From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
*To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
*Sent:* Tue, January 12, 2010 6:52:23 AM
*Subject:* Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all 
that !  dee


On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote:

> Hi, Simeon:
>
> I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, 
Alive Vitamin C from berries, and "regular" vitamin C with bio - no 
buffer.  i eat about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 
mg  of Vit C with each of those two meals.
> Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their 
life, health history, family health history - it's not the "one 
program" for everyone.  I take a lot of supplements for health 
support: 400 IU's vit E (mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 
mg ubiquinol, 20 mg resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and 
Folate (not Folic acid - folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver 
Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily, prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, 
zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium, magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, 
whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite, vitamin K, a cup of Flor*essence at 
retiring, creatine, silica, lithium (once in a while), minerals, 
etc.,  I'm a 95% organic eater including wild fish and natural grass 
fed meat and poultry - no GH or antibiotics.  Pure Spring water is 
another "vitamin..."
> I know I've left some out which I'll get to later - I've got to 
teach this morning. 
> Recently, my hair has turned from all gray to all blond about the 
color it was when I was a kid of 10 - 12... I do take an HGH activator 
which I attribute this change to.  Yes - it's full head of blond hair 
- no balding... Thank you God...

>
> John
>


--
The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver..

Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org

To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com 
<mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com>


Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com 
<mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com>


The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...

List maintainer: Mike Devour <mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com>>

RE: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[Norton, Steve]

Sunny,

It takes some research on your part. Here is a start for some of the more 
common supplements:
http://www.mcvitamins.com/Vitamins/vitamins-in-food.htm

I did searches on all the plants I came across in the area where I live. You 
will be surprised at what is available to you locally. For example, I am 
located near an ocean and several type of kelp are available nearby. In some 
instances I ask family in other states to send me some plant material they have 
easy access to me. Or for seeds or root to allow me to grow my own. Then you 
will need to decide whether to just dry and store the plant or whether making a 
tincture or extract is the best way to store the supplements. You will also 
probably want to develop a way to powder the plant material. Leaves aren't so 
bad but dried roots and similar plant parts can be more difficult to powder. 

Below are some databases that will help in determining the beneficial 
components in a plant. I also do google searches with the plant name and 
"benefits" in the search box. The databases below are very powerful if you make 
the effort to learn how to use them. The databases will even tell you what part 
of the plant contains the nutrient that interests you most. Databases:

http://www.leffingwell.com/plants.htm
http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/dukeindex.html
http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/syllabus/   (esp. Module 2)

If you need a plant that is not available locally, then look for bulk plant 
sources. One I have used a lot is: http://www.herbalcom.com/. Also, look into 
sprouting dried seeds that are readily available in the supermarket and are 
inexpensive such as beans, brown rice, peas, lentils, alfalfa, etc. Sprouted 
seeds can have very concentrated amounts of nutrients that exceed what is 
available from the seed without sprouting or from the mature plant.

Annie seems to know a lot of low cost sources as do others on the list. Ask 
when you have trouble finding an affordable source for something.

Take your time and do it slowly and don't get discouraged. It will take time 
and you may find the learning experience very enjoyable. And you can do it 
inexpensively.

 - Steve N


From: Sunwaterclear - Sunny [mailto:sunwatercl...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:10 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

John I admire your attention to health.  And I'm wondering two thing.. how much 
must it cost to take all these supplements and if we dont have those kind of 
funds, where can we obtain this naturally. Could it be by growing a forest 
garden?
 
I'm serious here... when I had money I'd buy all this stuff.. and start a 
regime.. but to be naturally healthy these days it appears one has to also have 
a lot of 'money-energy'.  No griping here, I chose a life of simplicity to 
divest myself.. but wellness is paramount.
 
Can anyone share how we can get these nutrients more naturally.. for 
example, berries from a bush and food that is readily available locally? That 
would be a challenge...
 
and thanks to you all for your astounding knowledge sharing..
with love
sunny
 


From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 6:52:23 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all that 
!  dee

On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote:

> Hi, Simeon:
> 
> I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive 
> Vitamin C from berries, and "regular" vitamin C with bio - no buffer.  i eat 
> about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg  of Vit C with each 
> of those two meals.
> Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their life, 
> health history, family health history - it's not the "one program" for 
> everyone.  I take a lot of supplements for health support: 400 IU's vit E 
> (mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 mg ubiquinol, 20 mg 
> resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and Folate (not Folic acid - 
> folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily, 
> prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium, 
> magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite, vitamin 
> K, a cup of Flor*essence at retiring, creatine, silica, lithium (once in a 
> while), minerals, etc.,  I'm a 95% organic eater including wild fish and 
> natural grass fed meat and poultry - no GH or antibiotics.  Pure Spring water 
> is another "vitamin..."
> I know I've left some out which I'll get to later - I've got to teach this 
> morning.  
> Recently, my hair has turned from all gray to all blond about the color it

Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[mukta1]

Hi John,

Thanks for sharing with us. Good for you. The cost of so many  
supplements would be prohibitive for most of us and it seems so much  
time consuming. Also I wonder how you could eat only two small meals a  
day. You evidently have strong will.


My father and my mother died from generalized atherosclerosis and I'd  
like to take some measures.


It would have been good if we could secure better health with less  
effort...arrrh.


Simeon.


-

ICN.Bg с най-богатата гама от Хостинг услуги на Българския пазар -
Професионален Хостинг за 0.23 ст/ден с ДДС, 18 GB място,
Неограничен трафик и Безплатен домейн.

Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[Sunwaterclear - Sunny]

John I admire your attention to health.  And I'm wondering two thing.. how much 
must it cost to take all these supplements and if we dont have those kind of 
funds, where can we obtain this naturally. Could it be by growing a forest 
garden?

I'm serious here... when I had money I'd buy all this stuff.. and start a 
regime.. but to be naturally healthy these days it appears one has to also have 
a lot of 'money-energy'.  No griping here, I chose a life of simplicity to 
divest myself.. but wellness is paramount.

Can anyone share how we can get these nutrients more naturally.. for 
example, berries from a bush and food that is readily available locally? That 
would be a challenge...

and thanks to you all for your astounding knowledge sharing..
with love
sunny
 
A peek into our world.. 
Feed the Future - Forest gardens - Sustainable Lifetime Food for All

Feed the Future- The blog In depth articles - forest gardens, natural wellness, 
human consciousness WHAT has to happen for us to evolve and emerge? 

Follow us on Twitter - www.twitter.com/return2earth 
Wellness v pharma, free energy v oil, own grown v processed food, community v 
nuclear, natural building v concrete, consciousness v asleep  Info on what's 
going on and alternative and natural technologies for a simpler life
Tune in and friend us on Facebook - Pierre Soleil return to earth
 





From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 6:52:23 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all that 
!  dee

On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote:

> Hi, Simeon:
> 
> I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive 
> Vitamin C from berries, and "regular" vitamin C with bio - no buffer.  i eat 
> about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg  of Vit C with each 
> of those two meals.
> Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their life, 
> health history, family health history - it's not the "one program" for 
> everyone.  I take a lot of supplements for health support: 400 IU's vit E 
> (mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 mg ubiquinol, 20 mg 
> resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and Folate (not Folic acid - 
> folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily, 
> prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium, 
> magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite, vitamin 
> K, a cup of Flor*essence at retiring, creatine, silica, lithium (once in a 
> while), minerals, etc.,  I'm a 95% organic eater including wild fish and 
> natural grass fed meat and poultry - no GH or antibiotics.  Pure Spring water 
> is another "vitamin..."
> I know I've left some out which I'll get to later - I've got to teach this 
> morning.  
> Recently, my hair has turned from all gray to all blond about the color it 
> was when I was a kid of 10 - 12... I do take an HGH activator which I 
> attribute this change to.  Yes - it's full head of blond hair - no balding... 
> Thank you God...
> 
> John
> 


--
The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.

Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org

To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com

Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com

The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...

List maintainer: Mike Devour 


  

RE: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[jessie70]

John, if you don't mind telling us, how old are you with the full head of
blonde hair? Jess

-Original Message-
From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 6:52 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries


Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all that
!  dee

On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote:

> Hi, Simeon:
>
> I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive
Vitamin C from berries, and "regular" vitamin C with bio - no buffer.  i eat
about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg  of Vit C with each
of those two meals.
> Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their life,
health history, family health history - it's not the "one program" for
everyone.  I take a lot of supplements for health support: 400 IU's vit E
(mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 mg ubiquinol, 20 mg
resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and Folate (not Folic acid -
folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily,
prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium,
magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite,
vitamin K, a cup of Flor*essence at retiring, creatine, silica, lithium
(once in a while), minerals, etc.,  I'm a 95% organic eater including wild
fish and natural grass fed meat and poultry - no GH or antibiotics.  Pure
Spring water is another "vitamin..."
> I know I've left some out which I'll get to later - I've got to teach this
morning.
> Recently, my hair has turned from all gray to all blond about the color it
was when I was a kid of 10 - 12... I do take an HGH activator which I
attribute this change to.  Yes - it's full head of blond hair - no
balding... Thank you God...
>
> John
>


--
The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.

Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org

To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com

Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com

The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...

List maintainer: Mike Devour 

Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

Crumbs John, its amazing you have time to teach in between taking all that 
!  dee

On 12 Jan 2010, at 10:41, John E. Stevens wrote:

> Hi, Simeon:
> 
> I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive 
> Vitamin C from berries, and "regular" vitamin C with bio - no buffer.  i eat 
> about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg  of Vit C with each 
> of those two meals.
> Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their life, 
> health history, family health history - it's not the "one program" for 
> everyone.  I take a lot of supplements for health support: 400 IU's vit E 
> (mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 mg ubiquinol, 20 mg 
> resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and Folate (not Folic acid - 
> folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily, 
> prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium, 
> magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite, vitamin 
> K, a cup of Flor*essence at retiring, creatine, silica, lithium (once in a 
> while), minerals, etc.,  I'm a 95% organic eater including wild fish and 
> natural grass fed meat and poultry - no GH or antibiotics.  Pure Spring water 
> is another "vitamin..."
> I know I've left some out which I'll get to later - I've got to teach this 
> morning.  
> Recently, my hair has turned from all gray to all blond about the color it 
> was when I was a kid of 10 - 12... I do take an HGH activator which I 
> attribute this change to.  Yes - it's full head of blond hair - no balding... 
> Thank you God...
> 
> John
> 


--
The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.

Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org

To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com

Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com

The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...

List maintainer: Mike Devour 

Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[Dorothy Fitzpatrick]

It is like I said before on occasion, everything in moderation, even the good 
stuff!  I know it can be very damaging to unbalance minerals which is why I 
don't take seperate ones now, but I thought that vit C was ok because most of 
us don't get nearly enough of it.  I do know that since I have been giving 
hubby vit c almost every day, he doesn't get the broken blood vessels in his 
eye which he used to get on a regular basis every couple of months or less.  I 
think it has a job to do i.e. strengthening the walls of arteries and veins, 
but maybe too much causes a problem in SOME people.  We are all different, so 
need different things, which is why the so called 'normal' range that doctors 
use is largely irrelevant.  dee

On 11 Jan 2010, at 23:07, Norton, Steve wrote:

> I sent this once but received back an error message. Trying again.
> 
> 
> 
> I ran across the following info that says that Vitamin C  may cause
> hardening of the arteries. I am used to seeing info saying that Vitamin
> C is good for the arteries such as the link further down. I don't take
> very high doses of Vitamin C, 500 - 1000 mg, but now I am concerned.
> Anyone have better data?
> Thanks,
> - Steve N
> 


--
The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.

Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org

To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com

Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com

The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...

List maintainer: Mike Devour 

Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[John E. Stevens]

Hi, Simeon:

I use some vitamin C with calcium as a buffer with bioflavonoids, Alive
Vitamin C from berries, and "regular" vitamin C with bio - no buffer.  i eat
about two small meals daily so I now take about 8000 mg  of Vit C with each
of those two meals.
Supplement use needs to be customized for each individual and their life,
health history, family health history - it's not the "one program" for
everyone.  I take a lot of supplements for health support: 400 IU's vit E
(mixed tocoph's and tocotr's) twice a day, 100 mg ubiquinol, 20 mg
resveratrol, B Complex 100, whole food B6, B12 and Folate (not Folic acid -
folate - the real stuff), Vit A (cod Liver Oil), Vit D 6 - 8000 daily,
prostate supoport, pycnogenol, lutein, zeaxanthan, asaxanthan, calcium,
magnesium, selenium, GTF chromium, whole food VM, chlorella, zeolite,
vitamin K, a cup of Flor*essence at retiring, creatine, silica, lithium
(once in a while), minerals, etc.,  I'm a 95% organic eater including wild
fish and natural grass fed meat and poultry - no GH or antibiotics.  Pure
Spring water is another "vitamin..."
I know I've left some out which I'll get to later - I've got to teach this
morning.
Recently, my hair has turned from all gray to all blond about the color it
was when I was a kid of 10 - 12... I do take an HGH activator which I
attribute this change to.  Yes - it's full head of blond hair - no
balding... Thank you God...

John

2010/1/12 

> Hi John,
>
> Will you please let me know whether you buffer Vit C with sodium
> bicarbonate and what are the major other supplements you take.
>
> Simeon
>
>
> -
> Ferratum - бърз заем онлайн!
> 

Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[mukta1]

Hi John,

Will you please let me know whether you buffer Vit C with sodium  
bicarbonate and what are the major other supplements you take.


Simeon


-

Ferratum - бърз заем онлайн!

Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[cking001]

Doesn't sound like a credible study.
Low dosage
Not even a clinical study group let alone double blind,
just an examination of patient records.

I'd draw no conclusions except someone needed to get published...

Vitamin C is used to TREAT atherosclerosis.

A discussion of this report: http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/152

Chuck
What hair color do they put on the drivers licenses of bald men? 

On 1/11/2010 6:07:02 PM, Norton, Steve (stephen.nor...@ngc.com) wrote:
 
> 
> I ran across the following info that says that Vitamin C  may cause
> hardening of the arteries. I am used to seeing info saying that Vitamin
> C is good for the arteries such as the link further down. I
> don't take
> very high doses of Vitamin C, 500 - 1000 mg, but now I am concerned.
> Anyone have better data?
> Thanks,
> - Steve N
> 
> ___
> 
> http://altmedangel.com/arteries.htm
> 
> 
> "Ascorbic Acid Causes Hardening of the Arteries?
> It seems hardly likely that taking high doses of vitamin C (ascorbic
> acid) can cause thickening or hardening of the arteries since so many
> people have taken high doses for a long time. Yet researchers from the
> University of California reported just that on March 2, 2000. People who
> took 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a 2.5 times faster progression of
> thickening of the carotid artery (hardening of the arteries) than people
> who took no supplement.
> This study was not a clinical study where subjects are divided into
> those taking ascorbic acid and those taking a placebo. This was an
> epidemiological study


--
The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver.

Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org

To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com

Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com

The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down...

List maintainer: Mike Devour 

Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[Peter Converse]

Hi Steve,

I don't remember the answer to your question but I do remember the book in 
which I believe I read a good criticism of this particular study, possibly, 
and other similar studies which, according to the book's authors, Drs. Steve 
Hickey and Hilary Roberts, have critical flaws in their design or 
interpretation.


The book is named "Ascorbate, The Science of Vitamin C". Also worth the 
read, on the same subject, is "Curing the Incurable...Vitamin C, Infectious 
Diseases and Toxins", written by Thomas E. Levy. MD, JD.


Reading one or both of these books, should set your mind at ease on this 
matter and clarify things considerably.


Sorry I couldn't clear it up on the spot but you'll probably enjoy these 
books regardless and get a lot out of them.


I hope this helps,

Peter

- Original Message - 
From: "Norton, Steve" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 6:07 PM
Subject: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries


I sent this once but received back an error message. Trying again.



I ran across the following info that says that Vitamin C  may cause
hardening of the arteries. I am used to seeing info saying that Vitamin
C is good for the arteries such as the link further down. I don't take
very high doses of Vitamin C, 500 - 1000 mg, but now I am concerned.
Anyone have better data?
Thanks,
- Steve N

___

http://altmedangel.com/arteries.htm


"Ascorbic Acid Causes Hardening of the Arteries?
It seems hardly likely that taking high doses of vitamin C (ascorbic
acid) can cause thickening or hardening of the arteries since so many
people have taken high doses for a long time. Yet researchers from the
University of California reported just that on March 2, 2000. People who
took 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a 2.5 times faster progression of
thickening of the carotid artery (hardening of the arteries) than people
who took no supplement.
This study was not a clinical study where subjects are divided into
those taking ascorbic acid and those taking a placebo. This was an
epidemiological study which means patient records were examined and this
finding popped up. There might well have been other confounding factors
that would explain the artery-thickening finding.
Nonetheless, the researchers were surprised at the finding. And it
seemed that the higher the dose of ascorbic acid, the worse the artery
damage (the more they took, the faster the buildup). In fact, smokers
taking 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a rate of artery thickening five
times greater than nonsmokers not taking the supplement. And while no
one is sure what this all means, the researchers did come up with some
common sense ideas about fractionated supplementation.
The director of the study astutely observed that "when you extract one
component of food and give it at very high levels, you just don't know
what you are doing to the system, and it may be adverse." Other
researchers were quick to add that the research shows the uncertainties
of picking out a single vitamin among the plethora of nutrients in a
healthy diet. They added that it is a challenge to pick out nutrients
that may make people live longer because if we are wrong, we can do
harm"

___
http://www.medical-library.net/vitamin_c_and_vascular_disease.html


"Animals In The Wild Do Not Get Heart Attacks

The process of atherosclerosis is limited to humans. Animals in the wild
do not develop atherosclerosis, therefore no heart attacks and no
strokes occur among these citizens of nature. To induce an animal to
have atherosclerosis you have to put it in captivity and feed it the
kind of diet which humans use to cause the problem. The guinea pig and
fruit bat make good models, if this is what you want to do. The gorilla
would make a good model, but who wants fifty gorillas lined up in a
laboratory?

Animals in the wild do not get heart attacks because they make their own
ascorbate, and therefore the process of atherosclerosis does not begin.
We humans could take the hint, load up on vitamin C and a few other
vitamins twice each day for life and eradicate heart disease. This is
already happening in the U.S. where ascorbate consumption has
skyrocketed over the past 25 years, and heart disease has dropped by one
third. The war against smoking may also have something to do with this,
yet in countries where smoking has declined in the absence of increased
ascorbate consumption, there has been no equivalent change in heart
disease rates."


"All The Known Actions of Ascorbate
1. Increases HDL (high density lipoprotein) production. (HDL is able to
help resorb fat located in plaque. In the process it changes from a disc
shape to a globular form of HDL, and takes this fat to the liver to be
burned.)
2. Decreases the production of lipoprotein(a). (Somehow the liver knows
when there is plenty of ascorbate on board, and therefore no need for
hi

Re: CS>Vitamin C and Hardening of the Arteries

[John E. Stevens]

I'm not so sure I believe the study - and it's the first time I've ever
heard that.  In my own personal experience, I've been taking 10,000 mg of
vitamin C for 35 years and my doctor says I have the heart and circulatory
system of an 18 year old atlete - and I'm only 68 years old...  Of course, I
take many other supplements that may aid this, too.  In a circulation test,
my doctor also told me my blood moves so quickly from my heart to my
furthest extremities, he finds it hard to believe.  He told me my heart is
so strong that if he stabbed me in the heart I'd throw blood at least 60
feet.  Linus Pauling was taking 18,000 mg of vitamin C well into his 90's.
He died at 93 of prostate cancer.  Now, had he known how to support his
prostate, the ole boy might still be with us...

John

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

> I sent this once but received back an error message. Trying again.
>
>
>
> I ran across the following info that says that Vitamin C  may cause
> hardening of the arteries. I am used to seeing info saying that Vitamin
> C is good for the arteries such as the link further down. I don't take
> very high doses of Vitamin C, 500 - 1000 mg, but now I am concerned.
> Anyone have better data?
> Thanks,
> - Steve N
>
> ___
>
> http://altmedangel.com/arteries.htm
>
>
> "Ascorbic Acid Causes Hardening of the Arteries?
> It seems hardly likely that taking high doses of vitamin C (ascorbic
> acid) can cause thickening or hardening of the arteries since so many
> people have taken high doses for a long time. Yet researchers from the
> University of California reported just that on March 2, 2000. People who
> took 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a 2.5 times faster progression of
> thickening of the carotid artery (hardening of the arteries) than people
> who took no supplement.
> This study was not a clinical study where subjects are divided into
> those taking ascorbic acid and those taking a placebo. This was an
> epidemiological study which means patient records were examined and this
> finding popped up. There might well have been other confounding factors
> that would explain the artery-thickening finding.
> Nonetheless, the researchers were surprised at the finding. And it
> seemed that the higher the dose of ascorbic acid, the worse the artery
> damage (the more they took, the faster the buildup). In fact, smokers
> taking 500 mgs of ascorbic acid had a rate of artery thickening five
> times greater than nonsmokers not taking the supplement. And while no
> one is sure what this all means, the researchers did come up with some
> common sense ideas about fractionated supplementation.
> The director of the study astutely observed that "when you extract one
> component of food and give it at very high levels, you just don't know
> what you are doing to the system, and it may be adverse." Other
> researchers were quick to add that the research shows the uncertainties
> of picking out a single vitamin among the plethora of nutrients in a
> healthy diet. They added that it is a challenge to pick out nutrients
> that may make people live longer because if we are wrong, we can do
> harm"
> 
> ___
> http://www.medical-library.net/vitamin_c_and_vascular_disease.html
>
>
> "Animals In The Wild Do Not Get Heart Attacks
>
> The process of atherosclerosis is limited to humans. Animals in the wild
> do not develop atherosclerosis, therefore no heart attacks and no
> strokes occur among these citizens of nature. To induce an animal to
> have atherosclerosis you have to put it in captivity and feed it the
> kind of diet which humans use to cause the problem. The guinea pig and
> fruit bat make good models, if this is what you want to do. The gorilla
> would make a good model, but who wants fifty gorillas lined up in a
> laboratory?
>
> Animals in the wild do not get heart attacks because they make their own
> ascorbate, and therefore the process of atherosclerosis does not begin.
> We humans could take the hint, load up on vitamin C and a few other
> vitamins twice each day for life and eradicate heart disease. This is
> already happening in the U.S. where ascorbate consumption has
> skyrocketed over the past 25 years, and heart disease has dropped by one
> third. The war against smoking may also have something to do with this,
> yet in countries where smoking has declined in the absence of increased
> ascorbate consumption, there has been no equivalent change in heart
> disease rates."
>
>
> "All The Known Actions of Ascorbate
> 1. Increases HDL (high density lipoprotein) production. (HDL is able to
> help resorb fat located in plaque. In the process it changes from a disc
> shape to a globular form of HDL, and takes this fat to the liver to be
> burned.)
> 2. Decreases the production of lipoprotein(a). (Somehow the liver knows
> when there is plenty of ascor