[SLUG] Display to monitor on Thinkpad
Hi all I am the happy new custodian of a Thinkpad 600e running RedHat 6.2 and win2k (until ESRI make a version of ArcView for Linux). Linux works quite well except I cannot get the sound to work (I gotta figure out how to install alsa first). What I want to know is how to get the Xserver to display through the monitor out socket. Console sessions display fine on the external display, but the minute I start x I lose my pcture. I tried various monitor settings and using the Fn-F7 key to swith output modes to no avail. Any bright ideas? I have already trawled that Linux on Laptop site in texas (er. url not handy) with no luck. Many thanks, /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ TIM SUTTON - GIS TECHNICIAN Western Cape Nature Conservation Board P Bag x5014 Stellenbosch 7599 ph +27 (0)21 8891560 fax +27 (0)21 8891523 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hrmm.. go Telstra
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 03:51:19PM +1000, Howard Lowndes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I think another problem is that sysadms are, generally, not good at business maths. Normally the only thing that a PHB understands is the bottom line. If sysadms could put forward a case for the TCO of a product, and it has to be a case that has realistic, demonstratble, figures, not one plucked from thin air, then they will present a more credible case. Thats rubbish. Microsoft is telling everybdy that their TCO is better than everybody elses and I know a couple of Sysadmins who try to "correct" this idea in their bosses heads and simply can't. They simply get told that 100 people must be correct, why should that one Sysadmin? Even if they try and have the numbers they will fail because of: * the incradible false advertising campaigns of Microsoft * the stupid idea of people to think that there is more software around for 98/NT then for Unixes (NOTE its only not as "visible" ie shops dont have it but software for linux is there ...) * tco to re-teach users to users operating systems My frustration level with Microsoft is so high now that I am currently starting to annoy my users which is not good as and I am not only the SysAdmin but own the place to 50% . *AND I KNOW* that the tco is better on Unix then NT but I am lucky enough that I am the one who buys the stuff! Example for TCO on Linux/NT installing a plugin for netscape: on the *nix server which has netscape, gzip and untar whatever.plugin cp * /usr/lib/netsape/plugins done, it is (after closing netscape and restarting it) available to everyone. Dont try that on NT, you gotta update ALL userprofiles and hkey_local_machine reigstry entries. What a wste of time. Rachel I understand your frustration. jobst -- A loving atmosphere in your home is the foundation for your life. |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: what users want (was RE: [SLUG] hrmm.. go Telstra)
I came to work today and asked a few people what they wanted in a mailing system (having just rebuilt and migrated exchange over, they are all aware of what they're email is doing etc.) And the overwhelming response was that they wanted a/ instant mailing within the company, b/ reliable storage of their email, and c/ as little to have to do with it as possible. Now this seems fair enough to me, I then did some qucik comparisons from our current system, and what was asked for in the first place, and exchange comes out on top, it provides all these features, with minimal interaction with non-technical staff. I am probably the most anti-micro$oft person in my company, which in the unix dept here is quite a feat, but I still have to relent here, yes outlook is a bloated application, yes exchange is falliable (it runs on NT for goodness sakes) but it provides an allround answer to the requirements of the staff in the company, no one said use exchange, that was a decision reached by the whole technical dept, not just the unix engineers, (even if we did rem our accounts and keep unix ;) Patrick Kelso -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 24 August 2000 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: what users want (was RE: [SLUG] hrmm.. go Telstra) John Wiltshire [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is where you have to ask if you are putting your own views ahead of user requirements. If a user (not an admin) sees Exchange and likes it then trying to tell them that they are wrong because you know better than they do is pure intellectual arrogance. Users ask for things. Programmers and admins should cater to their needs - after all that is what we are here for. yes but not like that. Users shouldn't be allowed to ask for a specific thing like Exchange. They should describe what they want to achieve and let the IT people design and implement the best solution. Your "intellectual arrogance" bit is completely wrong. Do you call your doctor intellectually arrogant when she refuses to prescribe you drug X and instead gives you a packet of cough lollies? Of course not (hopefully!) because you're paying for/obtaining their advice and services because they're an expert in that field and you aren't. Dave. (there I've finally changed the bloody subject line!) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] hrmm.. go Telstra
John posits the meaning of life: This is where you have to ask if you are putting your own views ahead of user requirements. If a user (not an admin) sees Exchange and likes it then trying to tell them that they are wrong because you know better than they do is pure intellectual arrogance. Users ask for things. Programmers and admins should cater to their needs - after all that is what we are here for. Slaps forehead. Ah, so that's what I'm meant to be doing! And where does sorting out contradictory desires, needs and wants come in? And what about desires within expectations? Building exactly what was wanted that costs the earth, or is unreliable or My daughter's definition of shopping: "I see, I want, I need, I have". Arrogance is an bountiful attitude that can be shared by users, salesmen, customers and engineers. There are Bastard Operators From Hell, and Bastard Users From Hell. Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: what users want (was RE: [SLUG] hrmm.. go Telstra)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] yes but not like that. Users shouldn't be allowed to ask for a specific thing like Exchange. They should describe what they want to achieve and let the IT people design and implement the best solution. Sure. I wasn't disagreeing with that. Your "intellectual arrogance" bit is completely wrong. Do you call your doctor intellectually arrogant when she refuses to prescribe you drug X and instead gives you a packet of cough lollies? Of course not (hopefully!) because you're paying for/obtaining their advice and services because they're an expert in that field and you aren't. I probably didn't express myself properly. I apologize for that. I would call a doctor intellectually arrogant if they prescribed a particular brand of medicine and refused to look at any others. I would call them intellectually arrogant if they dismissed alternative therapy as "worthless feel-good crap". A doctor should propose solutions to your problems which include more expensive brands with chocolate coating or less expensive brands with rough edges. (Sigh) John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hp openmail on linux
Umm no but we're also considering it so if you do give it a whirl, feedback would of interest ;) David Kempe wrote: Anyone tried it? Got any comments on setting it up using it? I'm willing to give it a go if its a viable alternative to exchange then im there. thanks, Dave __ solutionsFirst.net Consulting http://solutionsfirst.net Ph: (02) 9413 9604 Fax: (02) 9413 9719 Mob: 0413 022 143 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] What users want
Ok, sorry for offending just about everyone on the list. (subtle pop as I remove both feet from mouth). All I meant to say is that is serves us no good to continue complaining to each other about getting ordered to buy Microsoft products when we know that there are often much better alternatives out there. Communication is a two way street (mostly) and PHB's speak a different language to Engineers. They just don't understand the fact that we have man-years of hands on experience with these machines. We just don't explain this well enough to them and give them a feeling of trust in our decisions. More often that not, IT departments get so caught up in their own affairs that they forget to present their opinions in a comprehensible format to the PHB's of the world. I'm going to shut up now. John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Help with conf.modules
After a reboot, I have two problems. One is that neither of the NIC's is brought up at startup, despite these lines in /etc/conf.modules: alias eth0 eepro100 alias eth1 ne options ne io=0x240 irq=3 you need to check to make sure the "ONBOOT=" flag is set correctly (to yes) in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 ( eth1) - this is a redhat thing, I don't know about other distros. I know that the 8390 module is required to use the ne, so I am suspecting that it has to be inserted into this file for the ne to be brought up successfully, maybe appended to the second line? However, this still doesn't explain the eepro100 not being loaded in. nope, linux will bring up the interface intelligently and load any modules it depends on, I think it uses modprobe to do this, but I havent check the init script. so basically you don't need to specify 8390. I know insmod isn't that smart, but modprobe is. My second problem is that once I do insert the modules manually, I can configure both cards and see the network, but I can't get dhcpcd to assign the ne's IP address. After running it: dhcpcd -h hostname interface eth1 it seems to run and exit (or fork(), whatever it does) successfully, but checking ifconfig shows the interface remains unchanged. Mind you, this command worked flawlessly previously. If your using Redhat's way, it uses a program called kudzu to probe for new hardware, so when you installed the new nic, it might of botched your installation slightly, Ive found that it doesnt do everything correctly especially configuring nics. You should see if your external cable modem nic is configured to accept DHCP requests in the above eth0 file, apart from that, I'm unsure. --Stephen -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] hp openmail on linux
I downloaded most of the files required, havent had time to look into it further, but its not a cheap solution either, its a little cheaper then Exchange, but not by a great deal, and there is no HP support for the Linux port yet Cheers, Stephen -Original Message- From: Craige McWhirter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 12:27 AM To: David Kempe Cc: Slug Subject: Re: [SLUG] hp openmail on linux Umm no but we're also considering it so if you do give it a whirl, feedback would of interest ;) David Kempe wrote: Anyone tried it? Got any comments on setting it up using it? I'm willing to give it a go if its a viable alternative to exchange then im there. thanks, Dave __ solutionsFirst.net Consulting http://solutionsfirst.net Ph: (02) 9413 9604 Fax: (02) 9413 9719 Mob: 0413 022 143 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] FW: Mentor ports IC Station to Linux (http://www.eet.com/story/OEG20000823S0043)
FYI - high end electronics design package ported to Linux. The package is fairly high priced ($12k per person at least), definitely not free. But a lot of people have been waiting for something like this. Apparently the Linux port went very smoothly. The article says something about requiring at least 500 MB of RAM. I did a quick check on the sun server here; it's got 512 MB of RAM and fairly hums along with 7 engineers working concurrently on a project using the Solaris version of this software. http://www.eet.com/story/OEG2823S0043 ___ Jill Rowling Snr Design Engineer Unix System Administrator Electronic Engineering Department, Aristocrat Technologies Australia 3rd Floor, 77 Dunning Ave Rosebery NSW 2018 Phone: (02) 9697-4484 Fax:(02) 9663-1412 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] ssh - Which one?
ssh version 1, ssh version 2, openssh. What are ppls opinions on which one should be used, and more importantly, why? I have noticed that there is an incompatibility between ssh 1.2.27 and openssh (the old signal 11 that I queried the other day - and it is definitely not hardware as it occurred on two separate pairs of machines) Could that incompatability be because I have built ssh 1.2.27 from source without RSA, but the openssh *may* be built _with_ RSA? -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hrmm.. go Telstra
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 03:52:07PM +1000, John Wiltshire ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:46:06 +1000 (EST), Rachel Polanskis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Programmers and sysadmins are actually slightly different beasts, but not that much. Programmers put code together to fill users needs while sysadmins put blocks of programmer's code together to fill users needs. Note the common theme here is that we exist to fill the user's needs. ROTFL! Do you *really* think that users need all that bloatware? I have yet to find a users who really knows what she needs. They dont even know whats around or what computers are capable off: I go around every now and then to ask users what they are doing, how they are doing it and what is repetetive. I have written scripts to help users to get around a lot of tasks and they looked at me with the biggest surprise in the face saying "what that is possible". Fact is, that users DONT know what they need (because they dont know whats possible). Fact is, that programmers overload applications with crap people NEVER use. Fact is, that programmers make decision what users need. Fact is, that programmers write code because the company which employs them wants to make money to sell new and more enhanced software. Fact is, that most users do not know what VBS stands for, what is is CAPABLE off (in the bad way), what it is capable off (in the good way) but yet it is part of outlook (why??? you give a person who sends you mail the ability to destroy the system and users dont even know how!). (you dont give a foreigner a key to your place AND walk away???) And with respect to Sysadmins? I think they role currently ONLY is to make software running on systems . With the Visual Basic Microsoft gave "programmers" the ability to write "stuff" without knowledge what *REALLY* goes on. I see (especially from our suppliers) so much crap. These "progamms" are written by people who himself have got much of a clue. They write stuff which is for people (users) who dont have a clue themselves. Who fixes this? You guessed it. The sysadmin (if she is capable of doing so). If a user sees a product like Exchange or Notes and says they need it then If a user sees the specs for Exchange they would know what it means. [snip] Otherwise you end up, like in so many IT depts having to deal with clueless admins who make decisions on products or systems based on how scriptable the admin interface is instead of focusing on solving the actual and perceived needs of the users. Yep. Very True. [This isn't advocating NT, Linux or AmigaOS on a 68k emulators running in WABI on Solaris. This is how I've seen rampant IT departments destroy user confidence and lead to the failure of large projects and systems] This is VERY funny. Although I dont need to agree with them, I like your arguments. And you are STILL the only NT admin *I* know off who likes NT. ;-) Jobst -- It took the power of 3 Commodore 64's to go to the moon, but it takes a PII to run Windows... Something is desperately wrong here. |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hrmm.. go Telstra
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 05:33:55PM +1000, Jamie Honan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: [snip] My daughter's definition of shopping: "I see, I want, I need, I have". This *IS* what microsoft is about. Arrogance is an bountiful attitude that can be shared by users, salesmen, customers and engineers. There are Bastard Operators From Hell, and Bastard Users From Hell. But the BOFH are the ones who have 95% uptimes! jobst -- Learn the rules so you know how to break them properly. -F1 |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Star Office - Gurus
Hi All. I am trying to generate html documents from a staroffice document but no matter what I tried, I cannot get StarOffice to append the last page - next page graphic and page links at the end of each page so that its easy to flip through the pages when looking with a browser. Any suggestion ? Thanks Grahame. Personal Webpage - http://www.wildpossum.com Member SLUG (Sydney Linux User Group) http://www.slug.org.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hrmm.. go Telstra
There in lays the philosophy behind open source. People program what they want, unless they are paid to program (thats not the point though) Open Source doesnt just "happen".. alas, work needs to be done unless you have alot of time and monkeys *grin*. If a company wants (free) unix, then possibly they will want a compromise. Consulting is somewhat different as its a job, and ultimately i for one am not concerned if exchange "must" be installed, i get paid either way. But i much prefer to say.. "look, exchange is not that great, all you need from it is *this* and we can do the same and not have to buy software with *this*" /rave Dean This is where you have to ask if you are putting your own views ahead of user requirements. If a user (not an admin) sees Exchange and likes it then trying to tell them that they are wrong because you know better than they do is pure intellectual arrogance. Users ask for things. Programmers and admins should cater to their needs - after all that is what we are here for. John Wiltshire -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hrmm.. go Telstra
My dreams of Engineering Computers at UWs... dashed! like a row boat on rocks (not to mention the poor ocupants) Dean Rachel Polanskis wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Rodos wrote: ROFL! Rachel you do work at a univerity don't you. Are you sure you are not the BOFH! Did you have to admin an NT machine today? I sense some frustration. To answer your questions: Yes No No Yes, I am frustrated, The awful truth is that our workplace is going through major restructure. The way each UWS Member does things is quite different. Some members let the users do anything they want with the network, others hold a tighter reign. The biggest problems seem to be recurring where the users have been allowed to determine the direction of IT. I have recently seen some of the most uninformed and idiotic decisions being made that the uni now has to accomodate. These decisions impact on IT in a big way and especially the Corporate image of the uni itself as prescense on the Internet. Suffice to say that the user group involved made this decision and actively ensured that anyone with any technical experience was excluded. Suffice to say that the user group went with the $250,000 NT solution (that doesn't work) over the $25000 UNIX solution that has been proven in a production role for almost 2 years. When querying the user group about the choice, they could not put their finger on why but the overwhelming feeling one gets is that they liked the graphics better on the NT "solution" based on the anecdotal evidence. QED Rachel Polanskis University of Western Sydney, Nepean Senior UNIX AdminPO Box 10, Kingswood NSW 2747 Systems OperationsInformation Technology Services, Kingswood [EMAIL PROTECTED]Phone: +61 (0247) 360 291 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- BONG: http://www.bong.com.au EMAIL... [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16867613 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hrmm.. go Telstra
Rachel Polanskis wrote: Programmers and admins *should not* cater for the needs of users. If you really mean what you typed there, then perhaps you are working in the wrong field. Admins (and lawyers, accountants, HR people, etc.) are employed _solely_ to cater for the needs of "users"(*), except in organisations which sell these services, of course. Note however that a staff-member's needs often differ from his/her desires, stated needs and stated desires. As with the other groups of professionals mentioned above, admins do have a responsibility to make their expertise available to assist staff members in making informed decisions where there are IT ramifications. It is the case, though, that those decisions often belong to PHBs and that they will not make decisions that are, from the standpoint of the organisation's IT function and staff, optimal. This is part of running an organisation. Putting sysadmins in charge of a University would probably lead to utter disaster, even if the IT systems would end up being technically superb. All of the professions that I listed above are present in most organisations purely to support the organisation's actual objectives and are valuable only in so far as they advance that. What's good for IT may not be good for legal, and vice versa. Somebody (else) needs to make these trade-offs, probably to the chagrin of both parties. It is worth noting that sysadmins as a group have a really bad track record in this respect. The mere existence of the BOFH character illustrates some of this. A more concrete demonstration, however, exists in the continual tendency of organisations to outsource their IT function, even when it does not appear economical to do so. The vast majority of organisations keep finance, legal, HR, etc., in-house. But this most intimate function, that which moves and stores all of an organisation's information (outside of what's in people's heads) is something that upper management of many organisations can't offload fast enough. Why? There are lots of reasons that tend to re-inforce each other, but I suspect that a big one is that sysadmins as a group tend to be withdrawn, even abusive, towards the staff whose needs they are employed to cater to. The PHB who has had to deal in person with unco-operative, incommunicative sysadmins, or has copped endless complaints from his own staff about it will often leap at the opportunity to unload the whole mess. IT departments who are better able to look after their users, and who are able to maintain in their users' minds a perception that they are doing an excellent job and making their lives easier (yes, politics!) are far less likely to be out-sourced. I'll stop rambling now. - Raz (*) Yes, I'm using the term broadly. Legal, accounting and HR departments and non-IT admins probably view them as human resources, staff, personell, co-workers, experts in their fields, etc., rather than as people whose sole function is to use a computer (users). -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] www font sizes [SURVEY]
Hi, I'm trying to help some people in a little free software company fix up their website. The site is at: http://www.ibm.com/developer/ ;-) If you're reading this today [Thu Aug 24 2000] and you're on a Linux box and use a graphical browser, could you please try to load that site and mail me privately!!! answers to the following: 1. Are most of the fonts on that page incredibly small? [YES/NO] 2. What browser are you using? 3. Are you using the default font settings in your browser? [YES/NO] They claim to be trying to isolate the problem themselves also, but I get the feeling their web department is full of macs and windows boxes. I wouldn't normally go this far to help but much of the rest of the company seems to *get it*, and the site has some good content. As a bonus bit of relevence for reading this far, I give you this very useful link [from lwn.net some time last month ;)]: Fighting Font Frustration http://people.redhat.com/~scoile/fonts/fixing.html [which indicates the problem is a general netscape thing, this is about tracking down how widespread it is.] thanks, Conrad. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ssh - Which one?
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 04:48:52PM +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: ssh version 1, ssh version 2, openssh. What are ppls opinions on which one should be used, and more importantly, why? The author(s) of ssh recently changed the licence for v1 to be similar to that of v2 -- basically no commercial use without money being pushed in their direction. So, while not an outstanding technical reason, this is certainly *a* reason for preferring openssh -- it's Open Source. Apologies for not having a direct reference to hand about the licence change, but this modem link is painfully slow at the moment, so web browsing is not an option. :-( I have noticed that there is an incompatibility between ssh 1.2.27 and openssh (the old signal 11 that I queried the other day - and it is definitely not hardware as it occurred on two separate pairs of machines) Could that incompatability be because I have built ssh 1.2.27 from source without RSA, but the openssh *may* be built _with_ RSA? I would suspect that this is not the reason. Openssh is meant to be compatibale with ssh1 and ssh2 and if the sshd (or client) you were connecting to did not support some sort of encryptions requiring RSA then it would use an alternative encryption method. What happens when you run in verbose mode (ssh -v)? And which way are you connecting (openssh client - sshd, or ssh client - opensshd)? Cheers, Malcolm -- Malcolm Tredinnickemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CommSecure Pty Ltd PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] ssh - Which one?
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 04:48:52PM +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: ssh version 1, ssh version 2, openssh. ssh v2 and openssh v2.0+ and beyond both implement the secsh standard. It is a lot more rigerous and extensible than the pseudo-standard ssh v1 relies on. The details are fairly technical but if you are interested the ietf site should have the working group listed. What are ppls opinions on which one should be used, and more importantly, why? SSH v2, and v1 now, come under restrictive licences. If you are using ssh v1 you want to be using the lastest (without the crappy licence) that you can find. 1.2.29 is it, iirc. OpenSSH is what I use on machines that I have upgraded. I expect to finish upgrading all the ssh servers I have control over to it just before RSA expires in 4 weeks. I have noticed that there is an incompatibility between ssh 1.2.27 and openssh (the old signal 11 that I queried the other day - and it is definitely not hardware as it occurred on two separate pairs of machines) There are some slight differences (command lines related) but I haven't noitced any signal differences. Which one do you mean? Signal 11 is normally a bug (and while compiling the kernel a hardware one) Could that incompatability be because I have built ssh 1.2.27 from source without RSA, but the openssh *may* be built _with_ RSA? The RSA patents don't apply to Australia, so I am not sure why you even took the trouble. In four weeks it will have expired in the US as well. The ssh protocol (distinct from the secsh protocol) which ssh v1 implements does not, iirc, allow for different public key protocols but only different stream protocols. That is one of the many beneficial changes secsh makes; different public key protocols. I recall it defaults to Diffie-Hellman. Regards, Anand -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] hp openmail on linux
I installed it and played with it - I was impressed. While I personally can't stand exchange, Openmail worked and the users who trialled the system couldn't tell the difference between the back ends. It has some problems in common with exchange - propriatry data storage formats ect, but as it is on Unix you can script most operations (creating users ect) and it comes with a fully featured LDAP server ect - I even had it authenticating web access. Unfortunately pollitical pressures chose the other product even though openmail was a fraction of the price. One downside - no Australian support or training infrastructure. One upside - I think HP are giving away 50 user licences on Linux. Jason. On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, David Kempe wrote: Anyone tried it? Got any comments on setting it up using it? I'm willing to give it a go if its a viable alternative to exchange then im there. thanks, Dave __ solutionsFirst.net Consulting http://solutionsfirst.net Ph: (02) 9413 9604 Fax: (02) 9413 9719 Mob: 0413 022 143 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug --- Jason Ball Electronic Commerce Specialist Corporate Express Australia Ltd Phone: +61 2 9335 0374 Fax: +61 2 9335 0753 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] trapping keyboard signals.
hi, i was just wondering... cntrl+alt+del reeboots the box (on mandrake, at least). anyone know what process handles the trapping of the keyboard signals? is it possible to do other stuff besides just a reboot? thanks. Arun. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: Re: [SLUG] hp openmail on linux
Hi, We are using HP Openmail on Redhat Linux for approximately 50 employees. I have been very impressed with the product. It provides nearly all the features of exchange server on a UNIX platform at an equivalent price point. There are a few gotchas however * the Australasia HP Office dont seem to know much about it - they always think your talking about HP Openview :( * there is quite a bit of playing around with mime types and MAPI options, but once your up its very stable. * the web front end is a little non-intuitive. On the plus side * It seems to be quite scalable and not very resource intensive * The Openmail community is very helpful, you can find a wealth of information on there discussion boards. * Installation is a breeze with everything in an rpm I would definitely recommend you try it out ( there is a free linux trial version for redhat ... RPMS) if your users want to be able to use the calendar/appointment fuctionality of outlook. Simon Elder Systems Administrator bidorbuy.com Ph: +61 2 9954 3500 Fax: +61 2 9957 4617 Mob: 0404 881 790 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 25 August 2000 12:27 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: FW: Re: [SLUG] hp openmail on linux Umm no but we're also considering it so if you do give it a whirl, feedback would of interest ;) David Kempe wrote: Anyone tried it? Got any comments on setting it up using it? I'm willing to give it a go if its a viable alternative to exchange then im there. thanks, Dave __ solutionsFirst.net Consulting http://solutionsfirst.net Ph: (02) 9413 9604 Fax: (02) 9413 9719 Mob: 0413 022 143 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] SLUG Clubhouse?
Couple of random thoughts on this - What about some sort of deal with the Powerhouse museum or similar - go in, set up a network, maybe a web cam, Linux controlled Lego Tux's wandering around, let people play with Linux. Or just get a bunch of power users, sit them down at terminals in a big glass box, and let people gape in astonishment - 'Wow - they don't have Windows, but they're doing productive work?!'. In line with the Powerhouse's past 'History of Computing' exhibits, call it 'Future of Computing'. Basic point being a demonstration of Linux in a public place. Only a short term project, but it could be useful. I think that probably the best idea for a long term place (provided there's no funds to rent somewhere) is the combined lab/Slug room idea a couple of people mentioned. What about we get a bunch of tools and stuff, and go out and build 'The Big Penguin', a tourist attraction in the tradition of the Banana and the Pineapple etc, but shaped like Tux and with a computer lab in the base. Even better, build it on a ferry and cruise the harbour. Oh, and I think the clubhouse should have curtains with a tasteful floral pattern. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] workshop-full of junk available late this week
Terry Collins wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, this is very limited use. Well it depends on the expectations of the users. If everybody wants to run StarOffice, then there isn't much hope of supporting them on discarded hardware. Pentiums run SO WP okay. If users hqve an explanation of getting the latest, greatest and fastest, then they would not be the sort of donee CB would want. I have this problem with my surplus list (http://www.woa.com.au/surplus) - some people WANT everything, but have a strange reluctance to pay postage to have it sent to them. snip Unfortunately the current evidence is that hardware (not very modern hardware though) is easy to get and takers are few. If you have access to machines of the 486DX4 100 category or there abouts with some memory and HDDs (just the box - no monitors needed) I know an IM class that could use a couple. (As for pickup, I would be happy to arrange that.) Stay well and happy Heracles -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ssh - Which one? - Another question
Tks folks, the opinion is very much "Use openssh", but ... Is there a Windows ssh client (and preferably and associated scp client) that is compatible with openssh. The original reason that I stuck with ssh v1 was because my understanding was that ttssh was only compatible with ssh v1. Can anyone tell me the state of play re Windows ssh clients working to openssh? -- Howard. __ LANNet Computing Associates http://www.lannet.com.au On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Anand Kumria wrote: On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 04:48:52PM +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: ssh version 1, ssh version 2, openssh. ssh v2 and openssh v2.0+ and beyond both implement the secsh standard. It is a lot more rigerous and extensible than the pseudo-standard ssh v1 relies on. The details are fairly technical but if you are interested the ietf site should have the working group listed. What are ppls opinions on which one should be used, and more importantly, why? SSH v2, and v1 now, come under restrictive licences. If you are using ssh v1 you want to be using the lastest (without the crappy licence) that you can find. 1.2.29 is it, iirc. OpenSSH is what I use on machines that I have upgraded. I expect to finish upgrading all the ssh servers I have control over to it just before RSA expires in 4 weeks. I have noticed that there is an incompatibility between ssh 1.2.27 and openssh (the old signal 11 that I queried the other day - and it is definitely not hardware as it occurred on two separate pairs of machines) There are some slight differences (command lines related) but I haven't noitced any signal differences. Which one do you mean? Signal 11 is normally a bug (and while compiling the kernel a hardware one) Could that incompatability be because I have built ssh 1.2.27 from source without RSA, but the openssh *may* be built _with_ RSA? The RSA patents don't apply to Australia, so I am not sure why you even took the trouble. In four weeks it will have expired in the US as well. The ssh protocol (distinct from the secsh protocol) which ssh v1 implements does not, iirc, allow for different public key protocols but only different stream protocols. That is one of the many beneficial changes secsh makes; different public key protocols. I recall it defaults to Diffie-Hellman. Regards, Anand -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] PHP/MySql Java/Oracle experts
Hi everyone, My company is looking for several experienced PHP/MySQL and Java/Oracle programmers for short period, the project will start from mid next week, anyone interested, please email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. Lewis Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] ssh - Which one? - Another question
Is there a Windows ssh client (and preferably and associated scp client) that is compatible with openssh. The original reason that I stuck with ssh v1 was because my understanding was that ttssh was only compatible with ssh v1. Can anyone tell me the state of play re Windows ssh clients working to openssh? I use putty for this. if you go the open ssh page and have a look at the windows clients you'll find it there. I've found it works very well. Jason -- GnuPG Key 2450EEDC Jason Rennie[EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 1A2B 5E34 B45A 2871 A488 99C7 7579 5FFC 2450 EEDC -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: ssh - Which one?
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 04:48:52PM +1000, Howard Lowndes wrote: I have noticed that there is an incompatibility between ssh 1.2.27 and openssh (the old signal 11 that I queried the other day - and it is definitely not hardware as it occurred on two separate pairs of machines) using openssh clients to older ssh servers, i noticed that i got a SEGV when i tried to redirect X over the connection (-X), but xauth couldn't be found on the other side. not trying to redirect X, or actually installing X on the other end fixed it. i have a feeling they've fixed that bug by now; but i rarely redirect X anywhere now, so i wouldn't know. -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ssh - Which one? - Another question
I use secureCRT which works great with most version of ssh and telnet and nearly every term type. Quite a poweful little client that. It ain't free tho, but there's a crack :/ dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason Rennie Sent: Friday, 25 August 2000 7:21 AM To: Howard Lowndes Cc: Mail List - SLUG; Mail List - CLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh - Which one? - Another question Is there a Windows ssh client (and preferably and associated scp client) that is compatible with openssh. The original reason that I stuck with ssh v1 was because my understanding was that ttssh was only compatible with ssh v1. Can anyone tell me the state of play re Windows ssh clients working to openssh? I use putty for this. if you go the open ssh page and have a look at the windows clients you'll find it there. I've found it works very well. Jason -- GnuPG Key 2450EEDC Jason Rennie[EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 1A2B 5E34 B45A 2871 A488 99C7 7579 5FFC 2450 EEDC -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Silence is not golden
Ok, sorry for offending just about everyone on the list. (subtle pop as I remove both feet from mouth). [...] I'm going to shut up now. Nah. Makes us all feel better for all the times we've hit send in haste Schadenfreude is even tastier than hubris. Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] ssh - Which one? - Another question
SecureCRT is a brilliant program, that I use extensively, but I PAID for it, If a software developer decides he wants monetary reparation for his work, then give him it, I admit that $99 is a little steep for a program like SecureCRT, but perhaps if a few more ppl paid for it instead of cracking it then the price would be cheaper. I know that linux is all about open source, but last time I checked SecureCRT is a windows program that was NOT released under the GPL. /my two cents Patrick Kelso aragorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dave Kempe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, 25 August 2000 8:44 AM To: Jason Rennie; Howard Lowndes Cc: Mail List - SLUG; Mail List - CLUG Subject: RE: [SLUG] ssh - Which one? - Another question I use secureCRT which works great with most version of ssh and telnet and nearly every term type. Quite a poweful little client that. It ain't free tho, but there's a crack :/ dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jason Rennie Sent: Friday, 25 August 2000 7:21 AM To: Howard Lowndes Cc: Mail List - SLUG; Mail List - CLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] ssh - Which one? - Another question Is there a Windows ssh client (and preferably and associated scp client) that is compatible with openssh. The original reason that I stuck with ssh v1 was because my understanding was that ttssh was only compatible with ssh v1. Can anyone tell me the state of play re Windows ssh clients working to openssh? I use putty for this. if you go the open ssh page and have a look at the windows clients you'll find it there. I've found it works very well. Jason -- GnuPG Key 2450EEDC Jason Rennie[EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 1A2B 5E34 B45A 2871 A488 99C7 7579 5FFC 2450 EEDC -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] vgetty add-ons/voice menus.
Goodmorning, After having spent the past few hours following dead links and generally unproductive efforts,I have decided to post here in the hope that some has done this before and can tell me all about it. :) In short, I would like to create a DTMF (IVR) menu system - I know vgetty has hooks for it - but I believe that there are other applications out there for Linux that make Life Easier(tm) ... for example, something called "Calltree" (which I would have loved to look at, but it seems that their homepage doesn't exist anymore *sigh*). Oh, and ideally this piece of software also records messages as well. Have any of you done this? Any ideas? Pointers to where Calltree's new home is? Danke muchly. //umar. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] To write good perl, you should know assembly
C'mon its like hey to write good perl you should know assembly. Maybe not a pre-condition, but not a bad idea! If you know what the little man is doing behind the curtain, life makes a lot more sense. (Perhaps losing some of its magical appeal?) Perl has lots of contructs that used one way are much slower than if used another. Regexs are my favorite. Extremely easy to cause excessive backtracking. In the end, the four turtles holding up the computer earth are words, addresses, values and computations. The big turtle they are all standing on are bits, 0 and 1. Everyone should peek over the edge every so often to view them. Jamie -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Looking for ASCII art
On Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 10:01:15AM +1000, Daniel Brem wrote: I am looking for some Linux related ASCI art. Specifically looking for TuX in Text. Does anyone have any good links for such stuff? Sure. http://www.google.com Type in words like: ascii art linux penguin and get a few thousand pages to choose from. Such as http://www.citi.umich.edu/u/ahobgood/penguin.html Cheers Paul Haddon Technical Services Manager Hartingdale Internet -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] vgetty add-ons/voice menus.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Umar Goldeli wrote: In short, I would like to create a DTMF (IVR) menu system - I know vgetty has hooks for it - but I believe that there are other applications out there for Linux that make Life Easier(tm) ... for example, something called "Calltree" (which I would have loved to look at, but it seems that their homepage doesn't exist anymore *sigh*). Oh, and ideally this piece of software also records messages as well. I have been thinking of a simular project, a Linux based answering machine. Here is what I was thinking of doing. * VModem attached to phone line and Linux box * Will answer phone after n rings * Checks caller id of call, might not answer if its a certain number etc * Custom welcome messages if it recognises the number. "Hi Jamie they aren't home but you can leave a message". * Give an option of people to leave a message for. "Press 1 for Rod, 2 for Amanda or 3 if you are trying to sell something." * For certain users email them the recorded message. * Maybe have an LCD display interface for checking missed calls and for listening to messages. The reasoning behind all this is the plain old answering machine just don't cut it. I want to be able to choose who I want to let leave a message. I also want to be able to get messages anywhere without having to dial the machine up. Rodos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] vgetty add-ons/voice menus.
I have been thinking of a simular project, a Linux based answering machine. feature list snipped An excellent and worthy project - but why the LCD display ? Subscribing to the KISS principal, have Ye Olde Fashing Red LED if there are new messages - you can then telnet to the box to collect them. Would also allow you to telnet in remotely (maybe a web interface ?) to change message redirection, etc. Jon P.S. When you get it working, I want one...:P-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Help with dhcpcd (was: Help with conf.modules)
You should see if your external cable modem nic is configured to accept DHCP requests in the above eth0 file, apart from that, I'm unsure. Yes, it is set, but I've still had no success with dhcpcd. Any other suggestions anyone? Apart from the NIC being configured and cable modem being physically connected to it, what else is there other than to issue the command: dhcpcd -h hostname interface interface You may or may not be aware that Redhats Pump DHCP client does not work very well with cable modems, here is an extract from Trinity OS - all copyrights from the paste belong to David A. Ranch, [EMAIL PROTECTED] You have indicated your using dhcpdcd so I guess this doesnt pose as a problem, although I suggest you goto his website and downloading his excellent documentation on setting up firewalls, cable modems, security and the like - it might give you a idea on where your going wrong. http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/ Cheers, Stephen # NOTE: Red Hat users of DHCP to get TCP/IP addresses (Cablemodems, DSL, etc) # will need to install and use a different DHCP client than the stock # client called "pump". One recommended DHCP client is called "dhcpcd" # and can found in Appendix A. # # The stock Red Hat DHCP client doesn't allow the ability to have scripts # run when DHCP gets a TCP/IP address. Specifically, DHCP delves out # TCP/IP addresses to its clients for a limited amount of time; this # called a "lease". When a DHCP lease expires, the client will query the # DHCP server for a lease renewal. Though the DHCP client will usually # get back its original TCP/IP address, this is NOT always guaranteed. # With this understood, if you receive a different TCP/IP address than # the IPCHAINS firewall was configured for, the firewall will block ALL # network access in and out of the Linux server because that was what it # was configured to do. === -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] vgetty add-ons/voice menus.
Check out MVM: http://www-internal.alphanet.ch/~schaefer/mvm/ It looks like it'll do quite a bit - or at the very least, serve as a codebase of sorts for hack'n'slash :) //umar. On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Rodos wrote: * VModem attached to phone line and Linux box * Will answer phone after n rings * Checks caller id of call, might not answer if its a certain number etc * Custom welcome messages if it recognises the number. "Hi Jamie they aren't home but you can leave a message". * Give an option of people to leave a message for. "Press 1 for Rod, 2 for Amanda or 3 if you are trying to sell something." * For certain users email them the recorded message. * Maybe have an LCD display interface for checking missed calls and for listening to messages. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] vgetty add-ons/voice menus.
Actually even better, use the good old scrolling or flashing CAP,NUM,SCROLL LEDS on the keyboard... Just to let you know there are messages. Even speaking out the message via Text to Speech (I did have that running once) "You have 3 messages".. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 11:09 AM To: Rodos Cc: Sydney Linux Users Group Subject: Re: [SLUG] vgetty add-ons/voice menus. I have been thinking of a simular project, a Linux based answering machine. feature list snipped An excellent and worthy project - but why the LCD display ? Subscribing to the KISS principal, have Ye Olde Fashing Red LED if there are new messages - you can then telnet to the box to collect them. Would also allow you to telnet in remotely (maybe a web interface ?) to change message redirection, etc. Jon P.S. When you get it working, I want one...:P-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Paradigm Shift - Reader's Digest includes CD
Terry Collins wrote: But the fact that someone has decided that the readership of Readers Digest is worth sending a CD to is I think a significant measure of changing times. Either that, or AOL have decided to expand their coaster business to the sponge cake and English breakfast set. They've already built a monopoly on the beer and caffeine market. Do you have an AOL coaster? Thought so. Time to diversify. - Jeff -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- http://linux.conf.au/ -- Ye shall be cursed to fall in love so easily, and yet be so cold of heart as never to express it. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: what users want (was RE: [SLUG] hrmm.. go Telstra)
On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 05:09:45PM +1000, Rodos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, Patrick Kelso wrote: I came to work today and asked a few people what they wanted in a mailing system a/ instant mailing within the company, b/ reliable storage of their email, and c/ as little to have to do with it as possible. Now this seems fair enough to me, I then did some qucik comparisons from our current system, and what was asked for in the first place, and exchange comes out on top, it provides all these features, with minimal interaction with non-technical staff. Eh? They want instant mailing, reliability and little to do with it. And then _Exchange_ came out on top! What did you compare it with, X400 over uucp? IMHO a Unix based MTA such as sendmail or the other alternatives along with IMAP and a client (Eudora or even Outlook) would easily meet this need at NO cost and would be a hell of a lot easier to manage. I must be missing something. No. *YOU* don't. Install a new version of Exchange or install a new version of sendmail and a sysadmin should know which one to choose! Give me sendmail (even with its 'strange' config files) ANY time. AND: All my NT server does is serving files and gives the authorisation to the domain, yet I seems it needs a reboot once a week. (and yes the machine is state of the art AND follows the hardware guidelines of Microsoft PRECISELY!) Yet my Linux box being mailserver, proxi, dns, dhcp, squid, pop3 box, httpd and etc etc hasnt been rebooted since yonks and still has all the LATEST updates on it! GIVE ME A BREAK! Jobst -- Don't let a little dispute injure a great friendship. |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Win Fame and Fortune (PPC Linux Gurus!)
Hi all, As part of the festivities of IF2K in Sydney tomorrow, we here at LinuxWorld have managed to obtain a spanky new (multi-coloured) Apple G4. It's running MacOS 9 -- so naturally we want Linux on it! The Challenge A Caldera Technology Preview box set, Caldera shirt plus other goodies will be awarded to the first person who can successfully install LinuxPPC on the machine. If you're interested, be sure to bring your own version of PPC -- if we provide the software, there may be questions as to the integrity of the winner :-) The challenge will begin as soon as the InstallFest is open. The order of installers on the machine will be decided based on who follows up this post (privately) first (second, third, etc). Hope to see you all there tomorrow. Gavin Rodney LinuxWorld Team -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Paradigm Shift - Reader's Digest includes CD
But the fact that someone has decided that the readership of Readers Digest is worth sending a CD to is I think a significant measure of changing times. What i want to know is, what does sending an AOL cd say about the readship of reader digest ;) Jason -- GnuPG Key 2450EEDC Jason Rennie[EMAIL PROTECTED] Key fingerprint = 1A2B 5E34 B45A 2871 A488 99C7 7579 5FFC 2450 EEDC -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Paradigm Shift - Reader's Digest includes CD
Something else that you will only be able to cancel by dying (8-)
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Terry Collins wrote:
Well Folks
Times have changed - The latest Reader Digest magazine includes a CD.
Nope, not a cover CD, just another AOL CD (nice plastic sleeve cover
though).
But the fact that someone has decided that the readership of Readers
Digest is worth sending a CD to is I think a significant measure of
changing times.
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Re: [SLUG] vgetty add-ons/voice menus.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An excellent and worthy project - but why the LCD display ? Well my wife would rather walk up to LCD display on the wall and press the up and down arrows to scroll through the messages and play them rather than telnet into a box. This is based on historical findings in that any time she goes to use the family computer I have _always_ mucked about with some network/authentication/electrical thing and it never works the same as it did last time (even though I have not actually physically touched the box). I would expect to have multiple interfaces, web, console, remote (via phone) and LCD. Um, another issue. How would people prefer a system to be built. I would naturally build such a system for myself out of differrent programs (vgetty/speach generator) glued together with something like Perl. Problem is this then becomes an authors tool because of the all the modules and configs one needs to get going. Is it better to just write a dedicated app and maybe even copy some code. You could integrate major or optional apps such as vgetty and the speach to text. I just know I have always had problems when it requires 10 different packages to get something to work. What do people suggest? How would you all approach the development? Rodos -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Something for Friday
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Re: [SLUG] To write good perl, you should know assembly
On Fri, Aug 25, 2000 at 12:57:36PM +1000, Jeff Waugh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Jamie Honan wrote: [snip] 0 and 1 are the same turtle? Wow. Quantum turtles. Fuzzy turtles? It's true though - it's always invaluable to understand what's going on a couple of steps underneath what you're doing. Perl to assembly sounds like an extreme, but consider Windows 98 and DOS. Soon enough there will be Linux users weaned on GUI applications who have no understanding of /etc - . and dumping ALL files into /etc base dir and then requesting that /etc made be writeable by users cause they want to write some 'temp" stuff into it as it has been happeing in WINNT (and they call it a business operating system, bah!). Don't we fear that all? jobst -- Fortune: No such file or directory. |__, Jobst Schmalenbach, [EMAIL PROTECTED], Technical Director| | _ _.--'-n_/ Barrett Consulting Group P/L The Meditation Room P/L | |-(_)--(_)= +61 3 9532 7677, POBox 277, Caulfield South, 3162, Australia| -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] www font sizes [SURVEY]
Thanks to everyone who responded. It seems the problem of fonts size and stepping being different on Unix Netscape to Mac/Win browsers is widespread, and about 3/4 of people who responded to these questions don't use default font settings, many for precisely this reason. I've forwarded the responses (edited for anonymity) to the editor of the site. In case you missed it the first time, the following is very useful and even has tips on getting rid of the "Shop" and other useless buttons in Netscape 4.x: Fighting Font Frustration http://people.redhat.com/~scoile/fonts/fixing.html Conrad. On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 06:08:35PM +1000, Conrad Parker wrote: Hi, I'm trying to help some people in a little free software company fix up their website. The site is at: http://www.ibm.com/developer/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] vgetty add-ons/voice menus.
I found calltree at ftp://spoon.beta.com/pub/voice/calltreeB2.tgz If you managed to suck down the tarball, I'd greatly appreciate it if you could email it to me as I've been trying to connect to that site all day... it appears dead.. in fact, I can't even pull an A record out from their NS for www.beta.com But the description sounds like exactly what I need. :) //umar. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] To write good perl, you should know assembly
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Jamie Honan generated: In the end, the four turtles holding up the computer earth I believe they were elephants ;) -- jamesw "We're like sisters... with really different hair!" -- Cordelia Chase, Buffy the Vampire Slayer -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] To write good perl, you should know assembly
James Wilkinson wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Jamie Honan generated:
In the end, the four turtles holding up the computer earth
I believe they were elephants ;)
Blaspheme - Bloody pratchett nonsense! {:-).
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RE: [SLUG] To write good perl, you should know assembly
From: Terry Collins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
James Wilkinson wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2000, Jamie Honan generated:
In the end, the four turtles holding up the computer earth
I believe they were elephants ;)
Blaspheme - Bloody pratchett nonsense! {:-).
It's always interesting being on a mailing list of supposedly intelligent
people arguing over whether the earth is held up by elephants or turtles.
John Wiltshire
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RE: [SLUG] To write good perl, you should know assembly
It's always interesting being on a mailing list of supposedly intelligent people arguing over whether the earth is held up by elephants or turtles. It's actually both - four elephants on top of a giant turtle named the Great A'Tuin. This is important - get your facts straight. :P //umar (currently reading "Mort" :) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User Group Mailing List - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://slug.org.au/lists/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] To write good perl, you should know assembly
John Wiltshire wrote:
In the end, the four turtles holding up the computer earth
I believe they were elephants ;)
Blaspheme - Bloody pratchett nonsense! {:-).
It's always interesting being on a mailing list of supposedly intelligent
people arguing over whether the earth is held up by elephants or turtles.
It might be Friday afternoon, but there is still two hours of work
time left. Get back to it!
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