[SLUG] Linux Router recommendations
Does anyone have favourites for Linux router distros. I need: small footprint - to fit Compact Flash 2.4.x kernel - I must use IPSec iptables WiFi ADSL pppd Samba dhcpd ntpd sshd all sorts of utils to manage it :) -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people Contact detail at http://www.lannetlinux.com Flatter government, not fatter government. - me Get rid of the Australian states. -- If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Router recommendations
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Howard Lowndes wrote: Does anyone have favourites for Linux router distros. I need: http://www.linuxrouter.org/ -=-=-==-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Graeme Robinson - Graenet consulting www.graenet.com - internet solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==---=-=--=-=-= -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] awk, vim input
OK I am a bit stumped, and awk is certainly not my forte I have an awk script the uses the system(vim variablehere) function to call vim, the point being to edit a file manually and then get back to the awk script. Now when this runs I get a Warning: Input is not from the terminal from vim, and then it jumps straight back to the awk script. I am guessing that a filehandle is open or some sort or redirection is causing this but I am not to sure. Does any-one have any ideas? Is there anyway I can get some debugging information from awk and vim to find out what is going on. Dan -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:18, you wrote: ** High Priority ** Dear Mr Foskey, Thank you for your email. We apologise for the inconvenience this has caused you. Unfortunately we do not support the Linux operating system. This is possibly why you found it hard to obtain help from the Helpdesk as our staff are not trained to support this platform. In the near future we are implementing a first time system test to check a customers computer for compatibility. We hope this will avoid the difficulties you have experienced. For a list of our supported operating systems and browsers please visit this URL: http://www.stgeorge.com.au/int_bank/about/supported_browsers.asp?orc=person al. Alternatively you may wish to browse our Starter Guide information http://www.stgeorge.com.au/int_bank/get_start/default.asp?orc=personal We are more than happy to help you configure your computer settings to ensure that you have optimal access to Internet Banking. If you wish to discuss, please call 1300 555 203 (8am-9pm, EST, 7 days a week) Kind Regards, Mayleen Internet Banking St George Bank Ltd Ph 1300 555 203 inquiry: Linux: (no dont go away) I have got Mozilla 1.1 (Netscape 5) running on your site. The problem I had was that Java was not loaded on my browser. (even tho Java was enabled. Would it not have been simple to ask me to check if the required plug-ins were loaded instead of leaving me scratching my head? (I don consider this very good assistance even if I am using Linux (Mandrake 9). The info I required was very basic I think your help desk should have given more help. I think you are going completely the wrong direction with what you have said above. At present Linux users are more computer Savvy than M$ Windoze users. For this reason I think that helping with basics like checking what plug-ins are loaded should be available to all, as remember that most browsers have similar user interfaces, so it is not too much to expect that the configuration be checked. If you alienate alternative system users, eventually you will be alienating customers, which should not be what you want. Most browsers use similar operating procedures, and are reasonably compatible. Perhaps we do not expect the same level of support as M$ Windows users, but I feel we should not be neglected completely. I am sure that the Linux fraternity would be more than happy to test your system on various flavours of Linux, and suggest improvements that would help all users, but there are also third party commercial entities that will test the user interfaces of Web pages etc, and suggest improvements. (I have a friend that works for a company that authors supports Travel web sites, the company she works for can test the page with even text based browsers, as it is surprising the number of customers that this particular company has found that still only have access at 14.4K baud., for example remote users in the country on 'shared pair' phone lines.) The bank should be looking to support all potential users, not just the majority. In the long term, support for other systems could be increased as your support personnel become more experienced. The reason I have chosen to use Linux is that the system is far more secure, has no danger of virus (at present) and runs efficiently on older hardware. I have sent a copy of this communication to the 'SLUG' Sydney Linux Group, and my local Linux group. (I dont mind if this message is passed on) regards Doug Foskey -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 17:41, Doug Foskey wrote: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:18, you wrote: ** High Priority ** Dear Mr Foskey, Thank you for your email. We apologise for the inconvenience this has caused you. Unfortunately we do not support the Linux operating system. This is possibly why you found it hard to obtain help from the Helpdesk as our staff are not trained to support this platform. In the near future we are implementing a first time system test to check a customers computer for compatibility. We hope this will avoid the difficulties you have experienced. For a list of our supported operating systems and browsers please visit this URL: http://www.stgeorge.com.au/int_bank/about/supported_browsers.asp?orc=person al. Alternatively you may wish to browse our Starter Guide information http://www.stgeorge.com.au/int_bank/get_start/default.asp?orc=personal We are more than happy to help you configure your computer settings to ensure that you have optimal access to Internet Banking. If you wish to discuss, please call 1300 555 203 (8am-9pm, EST, 7 days a week) Kind Regards, Mayleen Internet Banking St George Bank Ltd Ph 1300 555 203 inquiry: Linux: (no dont go away) I have got Mozilla 1.1 (Netscape 5) running on your site. The problem I had was that Java was not loaded on my browser. (even tho Java was enabled. Would it not have been simple to ask me to check if the required plug-ins were loaded instead of leaving me scratching my head? (I don consider this very good assistance even if I am using Linux (Mandrake 9). The info I required was very basic I think your help desk should have given more help. I think you are going completely the wrong direction with what you have said above. At present Linux users are more computer Savvy than M$ Windoze users. For this reason I think that helping with basics like checking what plug-ins are loaded should be available to all, as remember that most browsers have similar user interfaces, so it is not too much to expect that the configuration be checked. If you alienate alternative system users, eventually you will be alienating customers, which should not be what you want. Most browsers use similar operating procedures, and are reasonably compatible. Perhaps we do not expect the same level of support as M$ Windows users, but I feel we should not be neglected completely. I am sure that the Linux fraternity would be more than happy to test your system on various flavours of Linux, and suggest improvements that would help all users, but there are also third party commercial entities that will test the user interfaces of Web pages etc, and suggest improvements. (I have a friend that works for a company that authors supports Travel web sites, the company she works for can test the page with even text based browsers, as it is surprising the number of customers that this particular company has found that still only have access at 14.4K baud., for example remote users in the country on 'shared pair' phone lines.) The bank should be looking to support all potential users, not just the majority. In the long term, support for other systems could be increased as your support personnel become more experienced. The reason I have chosen to use Linux is that the system is far more secure, has no danger of virus (at present) and runs efficiently on older hardware. I have sent a copy of this communication to the 'SLUG' Sydney Linux Group, and my local Linux group. (I dont mind if this message is passed on) regards Doug Foskey Let me add to this: If I was a St George customer, I would be requesting they either: 1) Offer me fee free over the phone and over the counter banking to make up for their decision to limit support. (Linux is under serious consideration by companies such as Telstra for desktop use, so claiming it is a 'minority' platform is not a sufficient reason to not support it.) OR 2) Give me a PC with a supported platform on it for use, whilst I remain a customer. I'm sure which one is cheaper for St George. Rob -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Router recommendations
quote who=Howard Lowndes Does anyone have favourites for Linux router distros. I need: small footprint - to fit Compact Flash 2.4.x kernel - I must use IPSec iptables WiFi ADSL pppd Samba dhcpd ntpd sshd all sorts of utils to manage it :) Everyone moved to Canada for it: http://www.esmith.org/ - Jeff -- ... *bounce*bounce*bounce* -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback
** Reply to note from Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17 Oct 2002 17:14:48 +1000 Let me add to this: If I was a St George customer, I would be requesting they either: 1) Offer me fee free over the phone and over the counter banking to make up for their decision to limit support. (Linux is under serious consideration by companies such as Telstra for desktop use, so claiming it is a 'minority' platform is not a sufficient reason to not support it.) OR 2) Give me a PC with a supported platform on it for use, whilst I remain a customer. I'm sure which one is cheaper for St George. you might as well ask for an account with $1million, whilst you're at it. and, you have two chances to get it BT,DT Voytek Eymont SBT Information Systems Pty Ltd http://www.sbt.net.au/links/ phone +61-2 9310-1144 fax +61-2 9310-1118 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Linux Router recommendations
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Graeme Robinson wrote: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Howard Lowndes wrote: Does anyone have favourites for Linux router distros. I need: http://www.linuxrouter.org/ Unfortunately it only seems to have the 2.0.x and 2.2.x kernels -=-=-==-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Graeme Robinson - Graenet consulting www.graenet.com - internet solutions -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==---=-=--=-=-= -- Howard. LANNet Computing Associates - Your Linux people Contact detail at http://www.lannetlinux.com Flatter government, not fatter government. - me Get rid of the Australian states. -- If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons? -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Linux Router recommendations
Shouldn't this be: http://www.e-smith.org/ Bernhard -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff Waugh Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 5:26 PM To: Mail List - SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] Linux Router recommendations quote who=Howard Lowndes Does anyone have favourites for Linux router distros. I need: small footprint - to fit Compact Flash 2.4.x kernel - I must use IPSec iptables WiFi ADSL pppd Samba dhcpd ntpd sshd all sorts of utils to manage it :) Everyone moved to Canada for it: http://www.esmith.org/ - Jeff -- ... *bounce*bounce*bounce* -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 17:41, Doug Foskey wrote: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:18, you wrote: ** High Priority ** Dear Mr Foskey, Thank you for your email. We apologise for the inconvenience this has caused you. Unfortunately we do not support the Linux operating system. This is possibly why you found it hard to obtain help from the Helpdesk as our staff are not trained to support this platform. In the near future we are implementing a first time system test to check a customers computer for compatibility. We hope this will avoid the difficulties you have experienced. For a list of our supported operating systems and browsers please visit this URL: http://www.stgeorge.com.au/int_bank/about/supported_browsers.asp?orc=person al. Alternatively you may wish to browse our Starter Guide information http://www.stgeorge.com.au/int_bank/get_start/default.asp?orc=personal We are more than happy to help you configure your computer settings to ensure that you have optimal access to Internet Banking. If you wish to discuss, please call 1300 555 203 (8am-9pm, EST, 7 days a week) Kind Regards, Mayleen GREAT, JUST GREAT. So the brain-dead admins at St George Internet Banking are going to implement a user-agent check to prevent me from accessing Internet Banking from my Linux System (which currently works fine with St George Internet Banking thank-you-very-much), which, of course, I am going to have to circumvent by changing the user-agent on my browser. Send me to gaol if you like... It is not me that I am worried about, 'cause I know that I will still be able to use Internet Banking. It is others who are getting into Linux, having been convinced that compatibility is now sufficient to justify the transition, who are having road-blocks such as this thrown in front of them by a near-sighted (perhaps not so, but I am not a conspiracy theorist) company such as St George. These newbies may not know how to change the user-agent in their browser, which may just work anyway if there was no check, as MINE DOES (did I mention that already?) So St George, why don't you spend a little time and effort into, if not coding your app to work better with Linux browsers, perhaps a single page on your site with tips on getting Internet Banking to work in Linux, and let the users help themselves? As far as I am concerned, user-agent checking to limit access to users running Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer should be against the law. Did I mention that IT WORKS FOR ME?! Love, John... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback
On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 06:25:00PM +1000, John McQuillen wrote: GREAT, JUST GREAT. So the brain-dead admins at St George Internet Banking are going to Do you realise you CC'd StGeorge? I guarantee you that this is the wrong way to approach this. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Whoa, that's not going to help us [Was: St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback]
quote who=John McQuillen GREAT, JUST GREAT. So the brain-dead admins at St George Internet Banking... So St George, why don't you spend a little time and effort into... Guys, please. This is not positive advocacy. You will not get what you want by flaming and unfairly criticising the people who are simply trying to do their job. It's also giving SLUG a bad name - how can we promote the use and support of Linux if we're seen as flaming zealots? I already feel the need to apologise to St. George's support staff. (And more to the point, why should a bank go out of their way to support such difficult customers? Not a great way to build morale in the already high-staff-turnover support department.) We don't have the advantage of height in this negotiation, so violence will just enrage the other party. That's not going to get us what we want. - Jeff -- World domination is a community responsibility. - Michael Hall, LinuxPlanet -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback
On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 05:41:15PM +1000, Doug Foskey wrote: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:18, you wrote: ** High Priority ** Dear Mr Foskey, Thank you for your email. We apologise for the inconvenience this has caused you. Unfortunately we do not support the Linux operating system. This is possibly why you found it hard to obtain help from the Helpdesk as our staff are not trained to support this platform. In the near future we are implementing a first time system test to check a customers computer for compatibility. We hope this ^^^ Argh! Why do I have the feeling this'll be a 'Oh. You're not running Windows or MacOS. Please go away. We're not compatible.' type of check? :/ If that happens I'll -need- (not want) to find another bank as while St George's Internet Banking doesn't fully work at the moment (it starts up but the Java has some functionality disabled) it works well enough for me to do what I need of it. If that goes I'll have no need for St George as any bank can charge me a stupid amount of fees and provide me with no real interest, which is all that'll be left for me as far as service provisioning goes. Please, if you are going to put a check in, make it a warning that not all may be right and that St George doesn't support whatever it is that you do not support but make sure the user can try it anyway. Better still, fix up the client and provide what support you can. It wont be that hard and it's not like it'll send St George broke. (it would also gain St George extra advertising via word of mouth as Linux users tell others that St George works sweetly for them). -- All people are equal, But some are more equal then others. - George W. Bush Jr, President of the United States September 21, 2002 -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Interesting interview with Con Kolivas
Hey gang, KernelTrap is running an interesting interview with Australian hacker (though it sounds like he wouldn't admit to having that title), Con Kolivas. One comment that intruiged me: Magic numbers should be autoregulated by the kernel. They should be variable and work from some sort of feedback loop. My experience with human physiology has shown me that there are an almost infinite number of autoregulated feedback loop type control systems in the human body that give it incredible flexibility to cope under all sorts of situations. I believe, and hope, that this approach could add to the flexibility of the linux kernel. - Jeff -- boc i wish i could write good flames jwz boc: you can't win if you don't play -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] redhat8.0
Hi I have a ASUS A7N266 motherboardAMD 1700+ CPUBuilt in Nvidia Geforce 2 MX 32 colour card5.1 built in sound card256DDRRamCompaq Qvision 210 Colour monitor3Com 509 network cardIhave tried all the verions of Red Hat 6.0 - 7.3 The RH detects my colour card but a unprobed monitor and if I select the correct monitor and do a test it freezes.Also if I select various monitors it als freezes after doing a test.If I do not do a test I don't get a graphical logon.If I logon and type startx I get an error, too do with the colour card and monitor.I have loaded Mandrake 8.2 and and it works Which I do not WANT I want REDHat.I have copied the Xconfig file and over written or edited RH Xconfig file too the same as mandrake.IT DOES NOT WORKI have loaded Red Hat 8.0 by using lowres installation because using standard when it detects the colourcard and then upprobed monitor it freezes. When I load redhat using lowres it detect my colourcard and unprobed monitor and after I reboot it starts loading and just before the graphical logon should come up it freezes. The screen is blank.I have tried selecting different monitors such as generic and I have the same problemCan you help me please
Re: [SLUG] Whoa, that's not going to help us
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 18:43, Jeff Waugh wrote: Guys, please. This is not positive advocacy. You will not get what you want by flaming and unfairly criticising the people who are simply trying to do their job. $Standard_just_following_orders_quote It's also giving SLUG a bad name - how can we promote the use and support of Linux if we're seen as flaming zealots? I already feel the need to apologise to St. George's support staff. Isn't this over-reacting, of the hundreds (thousands?) subscribed to this list one person CC's a non-existent address and suddenly the worry beads are out? Does SLUG now need to drop some legalese on each post stating that the comments expressed within are those of the individual and not all Linux users (world-wide) as a collective? These posts are cached on the web at various places and someone might stumble across one at random. Without this legalese they may assume it provides a detailed and in-depth analysis of the Linux community as a whole (They are probably also waiting for their billions to come out of Nigeria). On an personal note, by taking it upon yourself to apologize for John's actions you are dismissing his opinions and actions as less important then your own... We don't have the advantage of height in this negotiation, so violence will Well, nearly everybody dislikes the banks, and a strongly worded letter/email is a far cry from violence. Cheers, Malcolm V. PS: Anyone in a customer support role who doesn't think part of their job is to act as a buffer between customers and management regarding unpopular company decisions is either naive or delusional. (Been there, done that, several times) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] re: redhat 8.0 iso's on planetmirror.com
Quoting Malcolm and Coral V [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've just installed 8.0 from the iinet ftp site, it has the same MD5's as the planetmirror site and installed fine. I haven't really done too much with it except battle once more to get the sound on my IBM 380XD laptop to work (I won this time *woohoo*). What troubles are they having? Just before I left the office today I made the first three disks. However burnt them using 4x. As burning them higher caused issues only on 2nd disk. But booting with disk 1 and then testing disk 2 and 3 via the option to do so prooves nothing is wrong with my set so far. I'd say the people who burnt them must of had issues doing just that.. burning them incorrectly, or media issues. Will let you know how I go on disks 4 and 5. I ran out of time, since a package I was expecting turned up and I had to chase things up. So far so good though, which is excellent news. Thanks -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback
Quoting Voytek Eymont [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ** Reply to note from Robert Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17 Oct 2002 17:14:48 +1000 Let me add to this: If I was a St George customer, I would be requesting they either: 1) Offer me fee free over the phone and over the counter banking to make up for their decision to limit support. (Linux is under serious consideration by companies such as Telstra for desktop use, so claiming it is a 'minority' platform is not a sufficient reason to not support Don't quote me, but I read somewhere recently linux was set to take over Mac OS as the number 2 desktop platform/os. And we all know which company was holding first place in this report.. Still interesting, and I guess it blows the minority theory out of the water -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] freevo
Anyone here have a TV tuner card? Try out this free Tivo clone and lemme know how it goes. http://freevo.sourceforge.net/ Anyone have a Video4Linux compatible card that they're particularly pleased with? Regards, Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Apache
Hi all, I found the folowing in my logs for Apache, it rings a bell but I can't quite place it: [Thu Oct 17 09:26:00 2002] [error] [client 203.234.114.118] File does not exist: /usr/local/apache/htdocs/scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe [Thu Oct 17 09:26:01 2002] [error] [client 203.234.114.118] File does not exist: /usr/local/apache/htdocs/scripts/..%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe at about the time this happened a web based php app started playing up (although that may be unconnected) any ideas? _ Simon Bryan IT Manager OLMC Parramata ICQ#: 137562751 _ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] freevo
On Thu 17 Oct, mlh bloviated thus: Try out this free Tivo clone and lemme know how it goes. Also worth checking out is VDR, which does much the same only with digital TV. This means you can use a much lower powered machine (no fan!) because the video is already compressed (and generally done using high-end hardware encoders) and you can use a hardware MPEG decoder for playback. There is currently some confusion about whether the current range of DVB-t cards support Australia's weirdo VHF transmission system. They use VHF in some regions of Europe too but with a different channel width. http://www.cadsoft.de/people/kls/vdr/ -- Rev Simon Rumble [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.rumble.net Send email with subject send key pub for public key. The surest way to make a monkey of a man is to quote him. - Robert Benchley msg27301/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [SLUG] Linux Router recommendations
Quoting Howard Lowndes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone have favourites for Linux router distros. I need: small footprint - to fit Compact Flash 2.4.x kernel - I must use IPSec iptables WiFi ADSL pppd Samba dhcpd ntpd sshd all sorts of utils to manage it :) midori linux is meant to be good, but I am yet to try it out further.. I have my compact flash ide thingo so I can use a card on the ide channel. WIll get around to it sometime. on another note, embsd (bsd flavour) is excellent too. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Apache
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 20:32, Simon Bryan wrote: Hi all, I found the folowing in my logs for Apache, it rings a bell but I can't quite place it: [Thu Oct 17 09:26:00 2002] [error] [client 203.234.114.118] File does not exist: /usr/local/apache/htdocs/scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe [Thu Oct 17 09:26:01 2002] [error] [client 203.234.114.118] File does not exist: /usr/local/apache/htdocs/scripts/..%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe nimbda or code red? (or one of those M$/IIS viruses/exploits) still getting it in my apache logs too Dave. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] not another platform rant: was Re: St.George BBBF
At 08:51 PM 17/10/2002 +1000, you wrote: Don't quote me, but I read somewhere recently linux was set to take over Mac OS as the number 2 desktop platform/os. i'll believe it when i see it - and then i'll complain that MAC OS yet again gets pipped by the cheaper crappier alternative. honestly. why is it that people will spend $60,000 on a factory made highly engineered beautiful piece of imported motor car machinery -because spending $5000 on an old bomb is not financially sound in the long run and because the more expensive option is much more of a pleasure to run - but they won't do the same for a desktop computer. it makes no sense, no sense at all. don't bother picking holes in that argument - i've started already. :-) ..S. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback
Actually it is against the law to force a consumer to use products from another company when you have a perfectly good product that does the job and meets international and local standards. I think at one SLUG meeting 2 weeks 2 months ago someone mentioned that in fact there are standards set by the Australian Gov for companies who want to offer public documentation and services and infringing those standards can leave you open to a hefty fine. Ive noticed in the USA people with disabilities are suing such companies as banks etc for producing web sites that block access by people with disabilities due to lack of fundamental standards in the access portal (windows IE isn't a standard). Often commercial web sites try to create a glossy bloated dysfunctional boring and total irrelevant web portals to a service. I would love to see some of these really horrid web sites get rid of all the crap and just show me what I want. I dont need to see 20 animated GIFS running around saying how happy I must be to have to view all this crap every time I use their service, and I still cant see what the bloody hell I want, but whooo aren't those stupid gif's cool.(I'm so over web page graphics) I'm starting to realize why for every 5 people who connect to the Internet 2 disconnect within a year. On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 18:25, John McQuillen wrote: So St George, why don't you spend a little time and effort into, if not coding your app to work better with Linux browsers, perhaps a single page on your site with tips on getting Internet Banking to work in Linux, and let the users help themselves? As far as I am concerned, user-agent checking to limit access to users running Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer should be against the law. Did I mention that IT WORKS FOR ME?! Love, John... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- * Hey if you're going to get mad at me every time I do something * * stupid, then I guess I'll just have to stop doing stupid things! * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Whoa, that's not going to help us
quote who=Malcolm V On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 18:43, Jeff Waugh wrote: Guys, please. This is not positive advocacy. You will not get what you want by flaming and unfairly criticising the people who are simply trying to do their job. $Standard_just_following_orders_quote Heh, I actually tried to not make that connection. I meant something similar to don't shout down the phone at someone, because it's very likely not their fault, and they don't deserve rudeness rather than they are not morally bound because that's their job (I don't believe in that concept at all). It's also giving SLUG a bad name - how can we promote the use and support of Linux if we're seen as flaming zealots? I already feel the need to apologise to St. George's support staff. Isn't this over-reacting, of the hundreds (thousands?) subscribed to this list one person CC's a non-existent address and suddenly the worry beads are out? Is the address not real? If so, funny gag, dunce cap's on me. Otherwise, I do think it's a bit unfair to rope SLUG into a personal opinion post without notice - it would be cool for SLUG to get involved in some positive advocacy with the banks, though. Does SLUG now need to drop some legalese on each post stating that the comments expressed within are those of the individual and not all Linux users (world-wide) as a collective? No, not at all. (Note that SLUG needn't have been involved at all.) On an personal note, by taking it upon yourself to apologize for John's actions you are dismissing his opinions and actions as less important then your own... Not at all, just expressing that they are his own, and not necessarily those of SLUG. I'd throw in a bunch of other encouraging words about working with the Linux community to improve their support and such, too. :-) On the whole, I agree with the thread, but flaming simply doesn't help. We can do better than that. - Jeff -- In the pre-Internet age, I was like an Internet kid, with a 3D search engine, trying to find weird stuff. - John Safran -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Phoenix - at last a browser I like
Ive just downloaded the Phoeonix web browser and all I can say is at last a browser I like, fast,light,no bloat, has tabbing and a simple menu system. For those not informed Phoenix is basically Mozilla with things like no bloated GUI and no email no IRC and a few speed tweaks. This must be the only browser that gets smaller in every revision :-P ooh and the URL http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/ Yeah I know about Galeon but it lags behind my Mozilla updates, and having to do 2 installs on every Mozilla update is a pain. -- * Hey if you're going to get mad at me every time I do something * * stupid, then I guess I'll just have to stop doing stupid things! * -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Libranet: first impressions
I'm a SuSE user (and a newbie one at that), but after reading a couple of reviews of recently-released Libranet Gnu/Linux 2.7 I was quite curious. So when reports on SuSE mailing list suggested the new release from SuSE might be somewhat flawed, I decided to try Libranet instead of upgrading. I just installed Libranet today and I thought I'd share a few comments. Installation The installer certainly doesn't look anywhere near as slick as SuSE's - it's just a plain, text based program. On the other hand, it gets the job done quickly and easily. My system had SuSE double-booting with Win98 and I wanted to use existing Linux partitions without losing my double-boot. I was a bit concerned since it was set up with Lilo and now I had to change to Grub, but the installer handled it all without any drama. (I must say default Grub looks... well... grubby, compared to the fancy SuSE splash screen I'm used to. But it works.) My one complaint about the installer is that I couldn't see any way of selecting individual packages, only whole groups. Nor could I find out what exactly was included in each group, and the descriptions offered could certainly be more detailed. But I didn't really want to pick packages one by one anyhow, so it's possible I just didn't look hard enough... My hardware is pretty standard and my network, video and sound cards were recognised correctly (Netgear, nvidia and sound blaster). Automatic configuration of XFree also worked just fine. All in all, the installation process was painless, if not glamorous. I didn't really need to refer to documentation to get through it, which is just as well because there really isn't any - a couple of stapled sheets is all you get. The whole installation process took just under one hour, and I was ready to go. In use Following window managers are available: KDE, XFce, Gnome, Fluxbox and IceWM. Curiously missing from this list is Enlightenment, even though I *saw* it getting installed... Oh well, it's just a minor mystery for the moment...KDE is version 3.0.3. Gnome means Gnome 2. Kernel is 2.4.19, Mozilla 1.0, Evolution 1.0.8, Open Office 1.0.1. Pretty current stuff, and it looks quite good, even if Liquid and Keramik themes for KDE are absent. It's great to finally have proper Gnome 2; it's what I've been using most of the time today. BTW, sound works in Gnome - it's the first time in quite a while for me! Adminmenu It's the one thing that I guess sets Libranet apart from pure Debian, equivalent of SuSE's Yast 2. In other words, a GUI front end for system administration. This is where you can configure network, screen, sound, printers, manage users, add/remove packages from the CDs or the net, etc etc. One unusual option under desktop allows one-click download/installs of Flash plug-in and RealPlayer - and it worked, too. Very slick! Speaking of plug-ins, installed Java is of Blackdown rather than Sun flavour, possibly due to licensing issues(?) It is in Adminmenu where I discover the greatest problem so far: although everything appeared OK during installation, it now turns out I do not have any CD-RW drives! Well guess what - I do. It's a slightly weird Ricoh CDROM/writer/DVD player, but both SuSE 8 and (of course) Win98 recognised and configured it correctly. Not this time... this is a major bummer, as at this point I have no idea how to go about fixing it. Yet I remain convinced it is fixable. If SuSE 8.0 could deal with it, I'm sure it can be done in Libranet as well. I guess it will be my opportunity to find out how good their support is! Value Throughout this post, I often compare Libranet to SuSE. That's not only because SuSE is the distribution I'm most familiar with, but also because the price is exactly the same: at CheapBytes 49 U$ buys either Libranet 2.7, or SuSE 8.1 Update Version. The term update is somewhat misleading. It's exactly the same 7 CDs + 1 DVD as in 8.1 Pro, the only difference is lack of printed manuals. And as I mentioned before, Libranet also comes without any printed documentation to speak of. However SuSE goes to great lengths to make their users feel supported, with lots of documentation (some of it actually specific for their distro) included on CDs. Libranet just throw in some generic Debian stuff, often so outdated it's still refering to Debian versions 1.x. SuSE's seven CDs + DVD as opposed to Libranet's two CDs might seem like a big difference, but in practice I don't think I ever used any SuSE CDs beyond the first three. The rest contain sources, maybe other language versions? At any rate, not anything I ever needed. So the difference in pure volume isn't that great. IF SuSE 8.1 was all it should be, I guess I'd consider it to be a better value. But as 8.1 appears to be going through some teething problems, the final score is not quite clear... let's call it about even. Conclusion So is Libranet worth around $100 A$? Well, it depends. For a Debian expert, comfortable with updating critical parts of the system and
Re: [SLUG] Interesting interview with Con Kolivas
$author = Jeff Waugh ; KernelTrap is running an interesting interview with Australian hacker (though it sounds like he wouldn't admit to having that title), Con Kolivas. http://www.kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=465 One comment that intruiged me: Magic numbers should be autoregulated by the kernel. They should be variable and work from some sort of feedback loop. My experience with human physiology has shown me that there are an almost infinite number of autoregulated feedback loop type control systems in the human body that give it incredible flexibility to cope under all sorts of situations. I believe, and hope, that this approach could add to the flexibility of the linux kernel. he's right. everything in the body is controlled by feedback loops, some so complex that it needs a 3D model to properly illustrate the various interactions. we are still discovering new ones every day and most drugs work by enhancing or blocking a particular loop. a kernel that could dynamically adapt to system loads would take a lot of the guesswork out of tweaking magic numbers. it would be great for an install to work optimally out of the box rather then needing to tweak the kernel depending on use (do we preference CPU [cluster] or disk IO [file server] or bus IO [router] etc.etc.) or just accepting a compromise middle ground. i was wondering what he meant by My experience with human physiology... given that he was doing kernel work but he's a Dr (anaesthetist) and just messes with the kernel for fun. he picked up what he knows about C by merging patches into his own kernel tree and ended up writing a program to test kernels. everyone should have a read of this interview, it's such a great profile of the kind of person who gets so involved with linux when it's just a hobby... marty -- And true love waits In haunted attics And true love wins On lollipops and crisps True Love Waits - Radiohead -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Interesting interview with Con Kolivas
quote who=Martin KernelTrap is running an interesting interview with Australian hacker (though it sounds like he wouldn't admit to having that title), Con Kolivas. http://www.kerneltrap.org/node.php?id=465 *smack* Silly me. :-) everyone should have a read of this interview, it's such a great profile of the kind of person who gets so involved with linux when it's just a hobby... Yeah, I love reading how all of this Free Software stuff fell in my lap stories. :-) - Jeff -- Free software never simply picks up its marbles and goes home. - Jonathan Corbet, LWN -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Libranet: first impressions
Hi All, I would have to agree with what Andrew says. I am using Libranet 2.7 and I am very happy with it. I am yet to test my Ricoh CD burner so I will give it a test and check to see it is working. One thing Andrew did not mention is along with the Real Player and Flash installer the Desktop tab of Adminmenu lets you install True Type fonts. Just point to a folder or web location with True Type fonts and they are installed. And they are available to all applications including Open Office.org. The support from Libranet is very good and extremely rapid. My question was answered within a couple of hours which is considerably faster than the support at SuSE or Lycoris. And if I remember correctly the support has no time limit. It might not look quite as snazzy as Red Hat 8.0 but it is an excellent distribution, from a small company. Best to all Paul -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Question on recursive subdirectory in RH7.2 and RH7.3
I found this recursive link on my RH7.2 and RH7.3 machines: lrwxrwxrwx1 root root1 Oct 14 18:53 /usr/bin/mh - . Can anyone shed any light on it? It is creating havoc with a backup I am trying to make: /bin/tar cv /usr -zhf /backup/usr outputs: usr/bin/mh usr/bin/mh/mh usr/bin/mh/mh/mh usr/bin/mh/mh/mh/mh usr/bin/mh/mh/mh/mh/mh usr/bin/mh/mh/mh/mh/mh/mh usr/bin/mh/mh/mh/mh/mh/mh/mh... ad-infinitum... -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] awk, vim input
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 16:51, Daniel Harper wrote: OK I am a bit stumped, and awk is certainly not my forte I have an awk script the uses the system(vim variablehere) function to call vim, the point being to edit a file manually and then get back to the awk script. Now when this runs I get a Warning: Input is not from the terminal from vim, and then it jumps straight back to the awk script. I am guessing that a filehandle is open or some sort or redirection is causing this but I am not to sure. Does any-one have any ideas? Is there anyway I can get some debugging information from awk and vim to find out what is going on. I don't know much about awk, but my reading of that error message is that vim is expecting to be started on a pty and awk's system call is not providing it with one. It's kinda tricky to get around. If system doesn't provide a pty (and it doesn't seem to) there isn't really a way you can make it. Which I find more than a little surprising, although I guess it makes sense in the context of what awk is. I hate advising people to change the brand of car they drive when there's a small problem with their current one, but I don't think (from my brief reading of the man page) that awk will let you do what you want. Can some awk guru please correct me on this? I'd recommend using perl for this. Which I realise is probably not particularly helpful. If you can give us a bit more info about what you need done then we might be able to give you some perl snippets to help you on your way. Hope that isn't completely unhelpful :) James. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Letterhead under latex
At Thu, 17 Oct 2002 13:04:26 +1000, Terry Collins wrote:
Can anyone share a clue stick on how to set up a letterhead under latex?
attached is the example i gave at the docfest earlier this year.
its all LaTeX, but it gets fairly complicated - i'd be happy to
explain any bits that want explaining. the aim is to define the
firstpage pagestyle, which will get picked up by letter.cls
automatically. i muck around with boxes, just so i can be tricky and
measure their height later on, setting the header and footer height
appropriately.
note that this example won't compile out of the box, since the logo
image and fonts it uses most likely aren't available.
My problem is that the logo and name are fine, but I can not get the
addressee and company address boxes to line their text contents up on
the top line.
I'm doing something like;
[...]
\parbox {addressee}
\hfill
\parbox {company details} %but starts lower than addressee details.
\parboxes will align on their centres by default. to force them to
line their tops up, you want \parbox[t]{company details}.
--
- Gus
%
% Switch Online letter head
%
\NeedsTeXFormat{LaTeX2e}
\ProvidesPackage{switch}[2002/05/30 SwitchOnline Letter Head]
\RequirePackage{parskip}
\RequirePackage{url}
\urlstyle{sf}
% fonts
\newcommand*{\trebuchet}{\fontfamily{jtr}\selectfont}
\newcommand*{\arial}{\fontfamily{ma1}\selectfont}
\RequirePackage{arial}
\renewcommand*{\familydefault}{\sfdefault}
% colours
\RequirePackage{color}
%\definecolor{sworange}{cmyk}{0,.47,1,.09}
%\definecolor{swgreen}{cmyk}{1,0,.6,.51}
\definecolor{sworange}{rgb}{.8,.4,0}
\definecolor{swgreen}{rgb}{0,.2,0}
\RequirePackage{graphicx}
\newsavebox{\SWlheadhead}
\sbox{\SWlheadhead}{%
% no, i don't understand most of this.
% with \frame{} around the minipage, the \settoheight later on
% worked. without it, it didn't. so i copied \frame{} and removed
% the actual frame drawing parts and now it works..
\leavevmode
\hbox{%
\hskip-\wholewidth
\vbox{%
\vskip-\wholewidth
\hbox{%
% this was the content i actually wanted
\begin{minipage}{\paperwidth}%
\centering\fontsize{9}{10pt}\color{sworange}\trebuchet%
\includegraphics[width=1in]{switch_logo_vert_rgb}
Superannuation \\
made simple.
\end{minipage}%
}
\vskip-\wholewidth}%
\hskip-\wholewidth}}
\newsavebox{\SWlheadfoot}
\sbox{\SWlheadfoot}{\fontsize{8}{10pt}\arial
\setlength{\arrayrulewidth}{3mm}%
\setlength{\tabcolsep}{.5ex}%
\begin{tabular}{ll}
\textcolor{swgreen}{\vline}
\textcolor{swgreen}{\textbf{Switch Online} Pty Limited
(ABN~89~092~286~327) is a Licensed Dealer in Securities
(Licence Number~194~935)} \\
\textcolor{swgreen}{\vline}
\textcolor{swgreen}{Level 2, 131 Clarence Street Sydney NSW
2000} \\
\textcolor{sworange}{\vline}
\textcolor{sworange}{\textbf{Telephone:~02~9299~1133}\quad
Facsimile:~02~9299~1134\quad
\url{www.switchonline.com.au}}
\end{tabular}}
% letter.cls will use this definition if you don't provide \address
\def\psfirstpage{%
\renewcommand{\oddhead}{%
\newlength{\negoff}%
\setlength{\negoff}{\oddsidemargin}%
\addtolength{\negoff}{1in}%
\hspace*{-\negoff}\usebox{\SWlheadhead}}
\renewcommand{\evenhead}{%
\newlength{\negoff}%
\setlength{\negoff}{\evensidemargin}%
\addtolength{\negoff}{1in}%
\hspace*{-\negoff}\usebox{\SWlheadhead}}
\renewcommand*{\oddfoot}{\usebox{\SWlheadfoot}}
\renewcommand*{\evenfoot}{\oddfoot}
}
\newlength{\SWheadheight}
\settoheight{\SWheadheight}{\usebox{\SWlheadhead}}
\newlength{\SWfootheight}
\settoheight{\SWfootheight}{\usebox{\SWlheadfoot}}
\addtolength{\SWfootheight}{.5in}
\RequirePackage{geometry}
\geometry{hmargin=1.25in,vmargin=8mm,head=\SWheadheight,foot=\SWfootheight}
Re: [SLUG] Re: St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback
Suggestion. Vote with your feet. I use Westpac. Their internet banking page just works. I've used, on Windoze, both Netscape Mozilla. On Linux, Mozilla. Amanda. Standard Disclaimer. I am in no way endorsing Westpac, other than to say I've had no problems with the web interface to internet banking. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] awk, vim input
At 18 Oct 2002 07:20:22 +1000, James Gregory wrote: On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 16:51, Daniel Harper wrote: I have an awk script the uses the system(vim variablehere) function to call vim, the point being to edit a file manually and then get back to the awk script. Now when this runs I get a Warning: Input is not from the terminal from vim, and then it jumps straight back to the awk script. I am guessing that a filehandle is open or some sort or redirection is causing this but I am not to sure. I don't know much about awk, but my reading of that error message is that vim is expecting to be started on a pty and awk's system call is not providing it with one. yep, from a quick test here it seems to work if you run the awk script itself from a terminal, but not if you redirect the awk stdin/stdout to non-pty things. if you had to do that, you could always cheat and system(xterm -e vim) instead (or gvim or something), assuming X. -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re: St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback
Ive noticed in the USA people with disabilities are suing such companies as banks etc for producing web sites that block access by people with disabilities due to lack of fundamental standards in the access portal (windows IE isn't a standard). This is kind of happening here as well. I have a friend who works for the government, she is almost completely blind and has worked there for 20years, and when she comes across bogus web sites (ones she can't use) she readily reports them. Pia This e-mail may be confidential. Any opinions expressed herein are the opinion of the writer unless there is an express indication to the contrary. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication please delete and destroy all copies and immediately reply by return e-mail. Ipex ITG disclaims all liability and responsibility for any direct or indirect loss arising from this e-mail and/or any attachments. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Question on recursive subdirectory in RH7.2 and RH7.3
At Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:49:44 +1000, Russell Ashdown wrote: It is creating havoc with a backup I am trying to make: /bin/tar cv /usr -zhf /backup/usr outputs: usr/bin/mh usr/bin/mh/mh not an answer to your original question, but you shouldn't be backing up with -h unless you have a good reason to remove symlinks. -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Advocacy Getting What You Want [Was:St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback]
quote who=Doug Foskey I think you are going completely the wrong direction with what you have said above. At present Linux users are more computer Savvy than M$ Windoze users. Just some comments on your response. First one being: Don't refer to Windows as M$ Windoze to people who see it as their primary supportable user base, and do not care for software politics. They won't get the 'joke', and will tune out pretty fast. Issues are interesting, name calling less so - could you imagine a Labour supporter on election day discouraging you from voting for Howard the Duck? It may be funny, perhaps even accurate, but it's not convincing. The bank should be looking to support all potential users, not just the majority. In the long term, support for other systems could be increased as your support personnel become more experienced. Remember that Internet Explorer has accounted for over 90% of browsers in some studies. So, whilst that may mean they could be ruling out 10% of their potential customers, I don't think that the extra expense to support or develop (and train people to support and develop) for those platforms would be very attractive to them. Now that everyone is sufficiently amazed that I'm not interested in support for Linux browsers... Here's two arguments that really matter: 1) I will take my business elsewhere, such as... I said this to the National Bank, closed my account, and switched to the Commonwealth, who had a reasonably compatible netbanking system. I told them why I was switching, who I was switching to, and why I chose them. Should I take credit for the National's new netbanking stuff? No, but I'm sure it helped all of the other Blind/Netscape/Mac/Linux/Amiga/OS/2 users. 2) My browser supports standards, your website does not... Don't bother telling them what you're using - they're only going to support the big ones, and probably have office jokes about Netscape/ Mac/Linux/Amiga/OS/2 users anyway. However, if you tell them the benefits of standards and accessibility, they might think twice about what they offer, and who to. Imagine if I couldn't send an email to you because the software we used didn't speak the same language, wouldn't that be bad? It will be a very hard slog getting disinterested companies to support us. It's just too hard, and we haven't given them a big enough incentive yet. But there are other ways around it. :-) - Jeff -- It's like having someone say to you, 'You should get back together with your first wife. You guys were good together'. It's not that simple. - David Byrne on Talking Heads -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Question on recursive subdirectory in RH7.2 and RH7.3
On Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 08:38:21AM +1000, Angus Lees wrote: At Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:49:44 +1000, Russell Ashdown wrote: It is creating havoc with a backup I am trying to make: /bin/tar cv /usr -zhf /backup/usr outputs: usr/bin/mh usr/bin/mh/mh not an answer to your original question, but you shouldn't be backing up with -h unless you have a good reason to remove symlinks. I think you've nailed it Gus, the -h is causing the loop, since mh is a link to itself. You should almost NEVER follow links in backups and find. Matt -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] awk, vim input
Unfortunately we don't run X . A point I should of made is that this script works fine on a sco unix box running nawk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:slug-admin;slug.org.au]On Behalf Of Angus Lees Sent: Friday, 18 October 2002 8:48 AM To: Daniel Harper Cc: SLUG Subject: Re: [SLUG] awk, vim input At 18 Oct 2002 07:20:22 +1000, James Gregory wrote: On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 16:51, Daniel Harper wrote: I have an awk script the uses the system(vim variablehere) function to call vim, the point being to edit a file manually and then get back to the awk script. Now when this runs I get a Warning: Input is not from the terminal from vim, and then it jumps straight back to the awk script. I am guessing that a filehandle is open or some sort or redirection is causing this but I am not to sure. I don't know much about awk, but my reading of that error message is that vim is expecting to be started on a pty and awk's system call is not providing it with one. yep, from a quick test here it seems to work if you run the awk script itself from a terminal, but not if you redirect the awk stdin/stdout to non-pty things. if you had to do that, you could always cheat and system(xterm -e vim) instead (or gvim or something), assuming X. -- - Gus -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Apache
On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 08:57:25PM +0930, David Fitch wrote:
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 20:32, Simon Bryan wrote:
Hi all,
I found the folowing in my logs for Apache, it rings a bell but I can't
quite place it:
[Thu Oct 17 09:26:00 2002] [error] [client 203.234.114.118] File does not
exist: /usr/local/apache/htdocs/scripts/..%5c../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
[Thu Oct 17 09:26:01 2002] [error] [client 203.234.114.118] File does not
exist: /usr/local/apache/htdocs/scripts/..%2f../winnt/system32/cmd.exe
nimbda or code red? (or one of those M$/IIS viruses/exploits)
still getting it in my apache logs too
Code red. I have this in my httpd.conf to reject the requests without
logging them:
Perl
{
package Apache::Vermicide;
use Apache::Constants qw(:common :response);
sub handler
{
my $r = shift;
if ($r-uri() =~ /root\.exe|cmd\.exe|default\.ida/i)
{
$r-push_handlers(PerlLogHandler = sub { return NOT_FOUND });
return NOT_FOUND;
}
return DECLINED;
}
}
/Perl
PerlPostReadRequestHandler Apache::Vermicide
(From http://www.torkington.com/vermicide.txt)
Cheers,
John
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Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 12:25, Jeff Waugh wrote: (For GNOME geeks, as Simon seems to be, I recommend Grip.) (Not too hard to pick Jeff ;-) I use Grip for ripping/encoding to MP3 (any tips on starting out with ogg-vorbis encoding?). However, since we were talking about copying CD's I was wondering there was a quick way to make a backup of a music CD ie copy in one pass (like dd for data) and then burn in one go rather than reassembling tracks. -- ** * Simon Wong * ** -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] SLUG Monthly meeting - 25th October
Monthly Meeting for October When: Friday, October 25, 6:30pm - 9:30pm Where: UTS Broadway The main room for this month's SLUG meeting is 2.4.10. The SLUGlets will be in 1.27.26. See http://www.slug.org.au/events/uts.html for a map showing buildings 1 and 2 * The Usual Suspects - Starts 6:30pm + QA - What has Linux done for/to me lately? + SLUG News Discussion * 7:10pm: Mary Gardiner Contributing to OSS/Linux for Coders Non-coders * 8:00pm: Break * 8:20pm: Split into 2 groups for + Techie Talk - Jan Schmidt, on Video manipulation tools for Linux or + SLUGlets - Tony Green, talking about how to have fun with your spam * Dinner - Starts around 9:15pm Spice Boys for Dinner. It's $20 for mains, around 30 people. Contributing to OSS/Linux for coders non-coders: For people who would like to contribute to Open Source projects, but don't know where to begin, Mary will be talking about ways that people can get involved, whether they have coding skills or not. Video manipulation tools for Linux Jan will be talking about the techniques, and challenges, of trying to record, playback and modify video streams in Linux SLUGlets: Sluglets are for people new to Linux, or who are looking for discussion of a milder nature than the techie talk. Feel free to come share your experiences with Linux, to get help, or to provide it. This month, we will have Tony Green talking Optimising your spammee experience. Tony will be talking about some of his experiences, and conversations with spammers. -- Peter Hardy - SLUG Secretary [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Howto Rip an ISO - copy a cd?
I use Grip for ripping/encoding to MP3 (any tips on starting out with ogg-vorbis encoding?). Yeah, just switch the encoder dropdown to oggenc. I'm not near my desktop at the moment, but I'll send you the command line options I use when I am. However, since we were talking about copying CD's I was wondering there was a quick way to make a backup of a music CD ie copy in one pass (like dd for data) and then burn in one go rather than reassembling tracks. You're probably best off using cdparanoia to rip the entire cd as one track. - Jeff -- So, Jeffrey seems to mean the ineffectual, victimised guy in American movies in four different languages. -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] Re: St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback
disregard last post Doug ... turnin Japanese ... I really think so was reading mail from bottom up :-) -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
RE: [SLUG] Re: St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback
Ive noticed in the USA people with disabilities are suing such companies as banks etc for producing web sites that block access by people with disabilities due to lack of fundamental standards in the access portal (windows IE isn't a standard). This is kind of happening here as well. I have a friend who works for the government, she is almost completely blind and has worked there for 20years, and when she comes across bogus web sites (ones she can't use) she readily reports them. When you say bogus do you mean sites that do not support disabilities? What happens when she reports them? - This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] Re: St.George Browser Based Banking Feedback
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 18:50, CaT wrote: On Thu, Oct 17, 2002 at 05:41:15PM +1000, Doug Foskey wrote: On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 10:18, you wrote: ** High Priority ** Dear Mr Foskey, Thank you for your email. We apologise for the inconvenience this has caused you. Unfortunately we do not support the Linux operating system. This is possibly why you found it hard to obtain help from the Helpdesk as our staff are not trained to support this platform. In the near future we are implementing a first time system test to check a customers computer for compatibility. We hope this ^^^ Argh! Why do I have the feeling this'll be a 'Oh. You're not running Windows or MacOS. Please go away. We're not compatible.' type of check? :/ If you are using the St. George website and it doesnt work for you, you need to let them know. If enough people rant and rave they will be forced to fix the problem from their end. A large company will not fix something for one person but if 100 of their customers have a problem they may look into it. I have a similar problem with Comsec atm with their website not displaying properly even though I have turned off the DHTML features of their website. Best Regards, Wayne -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] tarring dot files and directories only
Hi all, I'm having a serious mental issue with trying to create a tar archive of only my dot files (and dot directories). tar czvf filename.tar.gz .* gets me everything which I guess it should but is not what I want; should I pipe ls into tar somehow? I've read a couple of FMs quickly to no avail... Thanks, Denis Crowdy -- Department of Contemporary Music Studies Macquarie University NSW 2109 Australia, ph: +61 (0)2 9850 6787, fax: 9850 6593 http://www.ccms.mq.edu.au -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] tarring dot files and directories only
tar czvf filename.tar.gz .* tar czvf filename.tar.gz .??* -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] tarring dot files and directories only
on Fri, Oct 18, 2002 at 12:40:04PM +1000, Colin Humphreys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tar czvf filename.tar.gz .* tar czvf filename.tar.gz .??* that wont get a dot file with only 1 other letter .x ls -A |grep ^\. is a good way to get all dirs and files that start with . but not . and .. so tar czvf filename.tar.gz `ls -A |grep ^\.` BB -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
Re: [SLUG] tarring dot files and directories only
Denis Crowdy wrote: I'm having a serious mental issue with trying to create a tar archive of only my dot files (and dot directories). Try something like: cd /home/me find . -type f -o -type d -a -name '.*' -print | \ tar --create --file=fred.tar --files-from=- Note that the order of -o (or) and -a (and) arguments in the find command is significant -- put the -a conditions last. Cheers, Glen -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
[SLUG] rh-8.0, X and laptop keyboard problem
Im running rh-8.0 on a new compaq evo n1000c. Ive managed to get X up and running ok, gnome work fine - but I dont like gnome (or kde), Im a WindowMaker man. WindowMaker and at least one other app (rxvt) dont recognise my enter key correctly. Ive tried the WindowMaker I complied and the rpm included with the disto and they both have the same problem; Ive only tried my own complied rxvt. with rxvt, when logged in as myself I get an m showing on screen instead but when logged as root it looks like a backspace. Note that xterm and gnome-terminal do the right thing. I dont seem to have problems with console based apps but did until I removed some of my .*rc files. any ideas? BB -- SLUG - Sydney Linux User's Group - http://slug.org.au/ More Info: http://lists.slug.org.au/listinfo/slug
