[SLUG] *debian* on ibook

[Adam Hewitt]

Hi All,

I have managed to get the base install of debian working on my ibook (I
fixed the console-common problem by rebooting *shrugs*) however I am
having a very hard time getting X working. I have followed the
instructions on http://mij.oltrelinux.com/ibook/step_step/index.html
which has told me that I need the xfree86 packages from
http://people.debian.org/~daenzer/dri-trunk/ which I have done, it then
says that in order to get acceleration working you need to compile the
drm-trunk-module which I have also done (against a kernel I compiled
myself from ppckernel.org) and I got an 'unresolved symbol' error on
radeon.o and rage128.o (I think?)

If I then modprobe 'radeon' I get:

unresolved symbol radeon_ioremap_agp_free
unresolved symbol radeon_ioremap_agp

and needless to say X fails to start. I then thought stuff this I will
do it without acceleration first, and was unable to get that working
either and to make matters worse I dont think it is even logging the
attempt (my /var/log/Xfree86.log.0 file doesn't add anything after the
original few attempts)

Has any managed to get Debian working under a new ibook (bought this
year) and if so did you manage to get everything working (I don't want
to have to buy a seperate USB modem...if thats the case I will be
installing OSX back on here today)??

Thanks for your time,

Adam.

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[SLUG] finance under linux

[Adam Hewitt]

Hi All,

After cracking the shits that my mother-in-law is forever telling her
friends that I work with computers and ending up coming home every night
to fix someone elses computer problems, I have decided to get myself and
ABN and start charging for the privilege (and as I found out 4 weeks ago
that I am having my first baby the money will come in very handy too).

Now I guess most of this will only come in useful when/if I get Debian
running fully under my ibook, but is anyone running their business
finances under linux? I am not registered for GST as this will only be a
part time thing, but is there any GST software under linux?

I would be very interested in finding out how/if people are doing this,
to what extent it works for them, any problems or advise about using
this software under linux and what software they are using?

Cheers,

Adam.  

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Re: [SLUG] Which Laptop?

[Richard Heycock]

I've been very impressed with my ASUS L3800. It has been my main
development machine for since last November without any problems at all.
The display is fantastic (1400x1050) and overall it is fast.

I run debian unstable which installs without issue. I've even got
GNU/hurd running on it (I haven't got X working though). The only thing
I haven't got running is the modem which is lin modem but I think this
is because I run 2.5/2.6 kernels (which by the way works very well and I
haven't had one crash since about March), I *think* you can get the
modem running with 2.4 kernel. If you are running a 2.4 kernel you may
have to download the alsa patch to get sound working -- this just works
with 2.5/2.6.

rgh


On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 14:29, Eddie F wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm in the process of convincing the boss that I need a laptop for work 
> purposes. Looks like Im doing well, so Ill probably be looking at which 
> one to get over the next few weeks.
> Ive installed on a few laptops before (old and new) so Im familiar with 
> the kind of issues that I could face and how to get around some of them, but 
> Im wondering if any of the manufactures tend to be more or less Linux 
> friendly than the others.
> Im sure most of their support teams will fob me off, the instant I mention 
> Linux (or any other OS), but there may be some that are willing to give me 
> the information I need in my efforts to resolve something.
> God forbid there may even be one that provides Linux drivers Then again 
> maybe not!
> 
> Cheers.
> Eddie.
> 
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Re: [SLUG] finance under linux

[Phil Scarratt]

Adam Hewitt wrote:

Hi All,

After cracking the shits that my mother-in-law is forever telling her
friends that I work with computers and ending up coming home every night
to fix someone elses computer problems, I have decided to get myself and
ABN and start charging for the privilege (and as I found out 4 weeks ago
that I am having my first baby the money will come in very handy too).
Now I guess most of this will only come in useful when/if I get Debian
running fully under my ibook, but is anyone running their business
finances under linux? I am not registered for GST as this will only be a
part time thing, but is there any GST software under linux?
I would be very interested in finding out how/if people are doing this,
to what extent it works for them, any problems or advise about using
this software under linux and what software they are using?
As would Ia couple of messages ago, there was mention of SQL-Ledger 
which I have not looked into yet but intend to do so
Cheers,

Adam.  

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Re: [SLUG] finance under linux

[Gonzalo Servat]

On 2/09/2003 9:53 AM +0800, Adam Hewitt wrote:

Hi All,

After cracking the shits that my mother-in-law is forever telling her
friends that I work with computers and ending up coming home every night
to fix someone elses computer problems, I have decided to get myself and
ABN and start charging for the privilege (and as I found out 4 weeks ago
that I am having my first baby the money will come in very handy too).
Congratulations! :)

Now I guess most of this will only come in useful when/if I get Debian
running fully under my ibook, but is anyone running their business
finances under linux? I am not registered for GST as this will only be a
part time thing, but is there any GST software under linux?
Not me. I use Quickbooks on Windows. It would make my day if there was 
something for Linux that does what Quickbooks can do (in its user friendly 
manner, preferably) but afaik there is none. You could run Quickbooks under 
WINE, I guess.

I would be very interested in finding out how/if people are doing this,
to what extent it works for them, any problems or advise about using
this software under linux and what software they are using?
There was a mention of SQL Ledger. I had a good look at the online demo and 
unfortunately it doesn't seem to suit my needs. There are some key features 
that I need for billing my clients (such as recurring billing, reminders of 
overdue invoices, etc) which are not in said program.

I'm no Quickbooks fan, but of all the accounting software out there 
Quickbooks is the most affordable (imho) and has the bare essential 
features needed to bill clients and produce the right information for the 
tax return && BAS.

HTH.

Regards,
Gonzalo
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Re: [SLUG] *debian* on ibook

[Denis Crowdy]

Adam Hewitt wrote:

Has any managed to get Debian working under a new ibook (bought this
year) and if so did you manage to get everything working (I don't want
to have to buy a seperate USB modem...if thats the case I will be
installing OSX back on here today)??
I managed to get things working on a machine bought earlier this year, 
with list help from Jamie Wilkinson.  It was a while ago now (May) but 
this is the message that helped me from memory (Google radeon + Crowdy):

This one time, at band camp, Denis Crowdy wrote:
>Going in a slightly different direction here, but has anyone managed to
>compile the kernel Jamie recommends at
>http://www.spacepants.org/hw/tibook/ on one of the new powerbooks with a
>Radeon video card?
>
>I'm having problems like:
>
>cp: cannot stat `agpgart.o': No such file or directory
I don't build the radeon driver from that kernel.  Instead I
install Michel Daenzer's drm-trunk-module-src package and build the
drm-trunk kernel modules separately.  I should write some more on that page
to spell out what I do explicitly.
quick and dirty version:

rsync -avz --delete rsync.penguinppc.org::linux-2.4-benh ~/somewhere
cd somewhere
make menuconfig (choose /dev/agpgart (AGP Support) as a module and Apple
UniNorth support)
exit, save
fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=pants.1 kernel_image
become root
apt-get install drm-trunk-module-src
cd /usr/src
tar zxf drm-trunk.tar.gz
unbecome root
fakeroot make-kpkg modules_image
then you have a kernel-image-2.4.20-benh10_2.4.20-benh10-pants.1_powerpc.deb
and a drm-trunk-something_...deb that you can install and you're done.
HTH,

Denis Crowdy

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Re: [SLUG] finance under linux

[Phil Scarratt]

Gonzalo Servat wrote:

On 2/09/2003 9:53 AM +0800, Adam Hewitt wrote:

Hi All,

After cracking the shits that my mother-in-law is forever telling her
friends that I work with computers and ending up coming home every night
to fix someone elses computer problems, I have decided to get myself and
ABN and start charging for the privilege (and as I found out 4 weeks ago
that I am having my first baby the money will come in very handy too).


Congratulations! :)

Now I guess most of this will only come in useful when/if I get Debian
running fully under my ibook, but is anyone running their business
finances under linux? I am not registered for GST as this will only be a
part time thing, but is there any GST software under linux?


Not me. I use Quickbooks on Windows. It would make my day if there was 
something for Linux that does what Quickbooks can do (in its user 
friendly manner, preferably) but afaik there is none. You could run 
Quickbooks under WINE, I guess.

I would be very interested in finding out how/if people are doing this,
to what extent it works for them, any problems or advise about using
this software under linux and what software they are using?


There was a mention of SQL Ledger. I had a good look at the online demo 
and unfortunately it doesn't seem to suit my needs. There are some key 
features that I need for billing my clients (such as recurring billing, 
reminders of overdue invoices, etc) which are not in said program.

I'm no Quickbooks fan, but of all the accounting software out there 
Quickbooks is the most affordable (imho) and has the bare essential 
features needed to bill clients and produce the right information for 
the tax return && BAS.

HTH.

Regards,
Gonzalo
I remember a thread awhile ago mentioned something about MYOB under wine 
- some people seem to be having success.

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Re: [SLUG] *debian* on ibook

[Ian Wienand]

On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 08:57:36AM +0800, Adam Hewitt wrote:
> drm-trunk-module which I have also done (against a kernel I compiled
> myself from ppckernel.org) and I got an 'unresolved symbol' error on
> radeon.o and rage128.o (I think?)

which kernel is this?  If you used rsync, try back dating to
2.4.21-ben2 (http://www.ppckernel.org/tree.php?id=3), I have had a few
troubles with the current (2.4.22) rsync kernel.  I've attached my
config for that in case it helps you.  If not, post a little more
about how you're trying to build them.

> Has any managed to get Debian working under a new ibook (bought this
> year) and if so did you manage to get everything working (I don't want
> to have to buy a seperate USB modem...if thats the case I will be
> installing OSX back on here today)??

I don't think the modem will work sorry, but I've never looked into
it.  But everything else works (even X with video out/dual head with
the latest dri stuff and some XF86Config fiddling!)

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Re: [SLUG] finance under linux

[Stuart Guthrie]

On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 12:23, Phil Scarratt wrote:

> I remember a thread awhile ago mentioned something about MYOB under wine 
> - some people seem to be having success.
> 

I've used MYOB under win4lin. It works single user AOK. Multi-user -
don't go there. MYOB uses the weirdest, most useless inter-multi-user
comms protocol thingo I've seen to date. I think is is a throw back to
it's legacy as a single user product. Why they don't just go
client/server (or even better J2EE) is beyond me.

We're looking at dumping it if at all poss. as it keeps corrupting
itself if too many users are on. 

The funniest thing I read recently was a response from one of their tech
persons which did the whole is the.. hardware /software /memory /network
/cpu /virus thing in one email. Apparently the flakiness is due to
anyone but... MYOB.


Stu

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[SLUG] Debian and Athlon SCSI system - final summary

[Rowling, Jill]

Hi all,

I can't find the original post to this topic - I think the subject was
obscure.
In any case, people may be interested to know how this home system was
finally reconfigured.
I have no idea as to how the typical "Ma and Pa" crowd would have solved
this one...

Hardware: AMD Athlon irongate chipset with American Megatrends BIOS and SCSI
subsystem, 9GB Seagate.
Older style DVD ROM reader, DDS3 tape drive, IDE floppy.
Originally configured with SuSE 7.2

The problem: out-of-date software and full hard disk due to need to store
lots of images (rock slides and sample photos for geology thesis)

Hardware purchased: New SCSI drive, 72 GB Maxtor
DVDs for Debian system.

Later obtained CDROMs of same because of installation problems with DVD (but
may have been SCSI problems - see below).

The hardware was installed OK and the OS installed OK but would not boot --
could not find init.

After a couple of days of fussing around, this was the solution:
1. Download disk drive manuals and information regarding SCSI ID selection
as the different drives had different settings.

2. Jumper the original Seagate disk to SCSI ID 1.
Controller is SCSI ID 7, other devices were noted in BIOS settings.

3. Remove the factory jumpers from the new Maxtor disk;
they are factory-configured to SCSI ID 6 which is internally jumpered (not
the standard interconnect).
This information is in the service manual for the drive, downloaded from the
manufacturer's website.

4. Re-mount the hardware.

5. Change the BIOS settings to boot off device 0.
Although the Americal Megatrends BIOS allowed you to boot from device 6, the
software did not actually select this device. I think this is a BIOS fault.

6. Noted the logical device names are now sda (for device 0) and sdb (device
1).

7. Partition sda with a small boot partition. This was essential for this
BIOS.
For these large drives, boot has to be 8MB as that is only one cylinder.
Format it ext2 as the boot loader for some reason can't read ext3.
The remainder of the disk can be ext3 or whatever.
I partitioned swap, /var, /tmp and / (a large partition).

8. The rest of the configuration was straightforward as per the Debian
documentation.

The system is now up and running, and the second (original) hard disk is
mounted as Reiserfs with the primary HDD as ext3.

Regards to all,

Jill.

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[SLUG] [Debian-au] DebSIG: (this) Wednesday 3rd September

[akumria]

Hi All,

Only a few weeks ago was Debian 10th Birthday; this week we are
fortunate to have Martin 'tbm' Michlmayr -- Debian Project Leader --
up in Sydney. 

To celebrate, we've decided to make this DebSIG a week early. In order to 
meet as many Sydney based Debian developers as possible Martin has thrown 
down the gauntlet and challenged all who come to three games of pool.

Anyone who is able to beat him (at pool) can take over as DPL for a week. 
Plus if you bring your key you might get it signed. 

Martin will give a number of talks on topics such as 'how to effectively 
bribe the DPL' and 'contributing to Debian without being a package
maintainer' and 'my favoutite Australian beers'.

Summary:

WHAT: DebSIG

WHO: Martin Michlmayr, Debian Project Leader

WHEN: Wednesday 3rd September from 18:30

WHERE: Wooloomooloo Bay Hotel, downstairs courtyard

WHY: Challenge Martin for DPL! Also get your key signed

Remember to bring your GnuPG key and fingerprint to get it signed.

Regards,
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Re: [SLUG] finance under linux

[Phil Scarratt]

Stuart Guthrie wrote:

On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 12:23, Phil Scarratt wrote:


I remember a thread awhile ago mentioned something about MYOB under wine 
- some people seem to be having success.



I've used MYOB under win4lin. It works single user AOK. Multi-user -
don't go there. MYOB uses the weirdest, most useless inter-multi-user
comms protocol thingo I've seen to date. I think is is a throw back to
it's legacy as a single user product. Why they don't just go
client/server (or even better J2EE) is beyond me.
We're looking at dumping it if at all poss. as it keeps corrupting
itself if too many users are on. 

The funniest thing I read recently was a response from one of their tech
persons which did the whole is the.. hardware /software /memory /network
/cpu /virus thing in one email. Apparently the flakiness is due to
anyone but... MYOB.
Stu

Always thought MYOB multi-user setup was wrong...and of course MYOB is 
never at fault...

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Re: [SLUG] finance under linux

[Richard Heycock]

You might want to have a look at the gnucash (http://www.gnucash.org).
I'm not sure if it handles GST though.

rgh

On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 11:53, Adam Hewitt wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> After cracking the shits that my mother-in-law is forever telling her
> friends that I work with computers and ending up coming home every night
> to fix someone elses computer problems, I have decided to get myself and
> ABN and start charging for the privilege (and as I found out 4 weeks ago
> that I am having my first baby the money will come in very handy too).
> 
> Now I guess most of this will only come in useful when/if I get Debian
> running fully under my ibook, but is anyone running their business
> finances under linux? I am not registered for GST as this will only be a
> part time thing, but is there any GST software under linux?
> 
> I would be very interested in finding out how/if people are doing this,
> to what extent it works for them, any problems or advise about using
> this software under linux and what software they are using?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Adam.  
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Re: [SLUG] finance under linux

[David]

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Phil Scarratt wrote:

> >
> > The funniest thing I read recently was a response from one of their tech
> > persons which did the whole is the.. hardware /software /memory /network
> > /cpu /virus thing in one email. Apparently the flakiness is due to
> > anyone but... MYOB.
> >
> >
> > Stu
> >
>
> Always thought MYOB multi-user setup was wrong...and of course MYOB is
> never at fault...

I used MYOB for years and last year switched to SQL-Ledger.. what a
relief!

I don't push the software very hard as my requirements are quite simple.
However, it's great to get SUPPORT, which I never got from MYOB.

If I have a problem I post to the very active SL mailing list. I've also
payed for for the support/documentation package from the
author/maintainer, a guy by the name of Dieter Simader. If I post a
problem this guy replies from my mailing list query within 24 hours. One
minor bug that I found was fixed by return email. Try getting THAT from
MYOB.

Like all OSS there are guys out there writing bugfixes and modules.
Recurring invoices has been discussed recently, but it's not something
that bothers me so I'm not sure what it's status is.

It's a classic case of why you want to get out of proprietry and into OSS.
It's NOT about whether you pay (which I did), it's about stability,
flexibility and support.


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[SLUG] Has anyone tried the Open Source Exchange Replacement server?

[Kevin Saenz]

the other day I saw a new group trying to develop an open source server
that is capable of doing the same functions as exchange

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[SLUG] rsync hangs, bwlimit fixes it

[David]

I am using the bwlimit option on rsync. If I don't use it, rsync hangs.
Can anyone suggest why this is so, and how I figure out what bwlimit
should be? I've started at 25 and worked my way up to 300 so far, as a
process of trial and error.
Both machines are running Debian Woody over my lan.
The command I'm using is:

#rsync -a --bwlimit=300 -e ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/backup/ /backup

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Re: [SLUG] Has anyone tried the Open Source Exchange Replacementserver?

[Jeff Waugh]

> the other day I saw a new group trying to develop an open source server
> that is capable of doing the same functions as exchange

There's...

  Kolab , a project run by a number of German
  companies, publically funded. It's the glue between existing high-profile,
  high-quality FOSS projects such as Postfix, Cyrus, OpenLDAP, Apache, etc.
  It does not provide a MAPI (Exchange-compatible) interface for Outlook
  clients, but there are proprietary plugins available and FOSS projects
  working on it. It appeals to me because it's based on stuff I already know
  and trust. It leans more towards a messaging solution than 'groupware'.

  OpenGroupware.org , a new project based on
  the released code of a proprietary product by SKYRIX Software AG. Their
  product was failing, so they released it under an open source licence, and
  cynically attached themselves to OpenOffice.org's glory. :-) To confuse
  matters, there's a proprietary MAPI server interface available for it, and
  proprietary MAPI client interfaces for the proprietary MAPI server
  interface. 8) The non-proprietary bits will still allow you to connect to
  it with the Evolution Exchange connector though (which uses Exchange's DAV
  bits). OGo doesn't appeal to me greatly, because it's written in Objective
  C (which is not a popular language in the FOSS world), and will take some
  time to turn into a true FOSS project. It has all the trappings of an old,
  badly maintained proprietary product unleashed on the snobbish and more
  particular FOSS world. ;-) It leans more towards 'groupware' than
  messaging.

That's my analysis anyway.

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] finance under linux

[Bruce Badger]

On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 13:01, Richard Heycock wrote:
> You might want to have a look at the gnucash (http://www.gnucash.org).
> I'm not sure if it handles GST though.

I maintain my company books using GnuCash at the moment and it handles
GST nicely.  It does not have GST/BAS specific functionality, but being
a real double entry system make it a breeze to track all the numbers.

Of course, YMMV.

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[SLUG] [ot]CD-R Media from Japan

[Tiwari, Rajnish]

Hi All,

Is there a blank media shop in sydney CBD with lots
of different brands of CD-R/RW media ? In particular,
I am interested in non-Taiwan made CDR/RW media eg
Japan, Singapore etc.

Thanks.

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[SLUG] Debian Kernel

[Bruce Badger]

I have just upgraded my machine from stable to sarge (I specified sarge
in my sources so I stick with it when it becomes stable).  Apart from
the fact that Gnome is broken, things have gone quite smoothly so far.

I would like to use a more recent kernel.  I looked at the kernel
packages, and there are zillions of them!  I suppose it's a good way of
handling all the variety of targets for binary kernels, but it's a bit
of a shock when compared to all the other packages.

Anyway, I decided to go with  kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686.  I have a
single CPU PIII, so this kernel seemed like a good fit for me.  I did an
apt-get -d install (-d to download only) and apt decided to download
kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686-smp too.  I don't understand this.  The smp
kermal was not listed as a dependency for the non smp kernel.

So, would some kind soul please tell me:
o If the kernel I'm trying to install is a reasonable one to go for?
o Why I got the bonus SMP kernel?
o Will the bonus SMP kernel be installed too?
o If apt-get install will Do The Right Thing to make the non-SMP kernel
bootable?

Many thanks,
Bruce

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Re: [SLUG] rsync hangs, bwlimit fixes it

[Jeff Waugh]

> I am using the bwlimit option on rsync. If I don't use it, rsync hangs.
> Can anyone suggest why this is so, and how I figure out what bwlimit
> should be? I've started at 25 and worked my way up to 300 so far, as a
> process of trial and error.

Are you doing this over PPP? You may want to check your MTU. This has been
a problem for me in the past.

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Re: [SLUG] rsync hangs, bwlimit fixes it

[Andrew Bennetts]

On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 02:56:58PM +1000, David wrote:
> 
> I am using the bwlimit option on rsync. If I don't use it, rsync hangs.
> Can anyone suggest why this is so, and how I figure out what bwlimit
> should be? I've started at 25 and worked my way up to 300 so far, as a

Sounds like you've got some sort of nasty MTU problems with your connection,
but that's just a guess.

-Andrew.

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Re: [SLUG] rsync hangs, bwlimit fixes it

[David]

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Jeff Waugh wrote:

> 
>
> > I am using the bwlimit option on rsync. If I don't use it, rsync hangs.
> > Can anyone suggest why this is so, and how I figure out what bwlimit
> > should be? I've started at 25 and worked my way up to 300 so far, as a
> > process of trial and error.
>
> Are you doing this over PPP? You may want to check your MTU. This has been
> a problem for me in the past.

this is on an ethernet lan

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Re: [SLUG] Has anyone tried the Open Source Exchange Replacementserver?

[Kevin Saenz]

I mean http://oser.sourceforge.net/ 

> 
> 
> > the other day I saw a new group trying to develop an open source server
> > that is capable of doing the same functions as exchange
> 
> There's...
> 
>   Kolab , a project run by a number of German
>   companies, publically funded. It's the glue between existing high-profile,
>   high-quality FOSS projects such as Postfix, Cyrus, OpenLDAP, Apache, etc.
>   It does not provide a MAPI (Exchange-compatible) interface for Outlook
>   clients, but there are proprietary plugins available and FOSS projects
>   working on it. It appeals to me because it's based on stuff I already know
>   and trust. It leans more towards a messaging solution than 'groupware'.
> 
>   OpenGroupware.org , a new project based on
>   the released code of a proprietary product by SKYRIX Software AG. Their
>   product was failing, so they released it under an open source licence, and
>   cynically attached themselves to OpenOffice.org's glory. :-) To confuse
>   matters, there's a proprietary MAPI server interface available for it, and
>   proprietary MAPI client interfaces for the proprietary MAPI server
>   interface. 8) The non-proprietary bits will still allow you to connect to
>   it with the Evolution Exchange connector though (which uses Exchange's DAV
>   bits). OGo doesn't appeal to me greatly, because it's written in Objective
>   C (which is not a popular language in the FOSS world), and will take some
>   time to turn into a true FOSS project. It has all the trappings of an old,
>   badly maintained proprietary product unleashed on the snobbish and more
>   particular FOSS world. ;-) It leans more towards 'groupware' than
>   messaging.
> 
> That's my analysis anyway.
> 
> - Jeff
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Re: [SLUG] Has anyone tried the Open Source Exchange Replacementserver?

[Jeff Waugh]

> I mean http://oser.sourceforge.net/ 

Name: Disasterously generic, thus the confusion.

Software: Good to see that they're aiming to use existing software, but
seems like they haven't done a thorough requirements analysis. The software
specified will not, on its own, replace what Exchange does.

CVS: Some config files and a couple of shell scripts. Looks pretty
vapourous, not even Freshmeat 0.1 material. ;-)

If this project interests you, but you want something that actually works /
exists, look at Kolab.

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Re: [SLUG] Has anyone tried the Open Source Exchange Replacementserver?

[Kevin Saenz]

I'm building it on my test box at the moment. See how it goes. The thing
I like about it was that outlook users and hopefully evolution users can
share a calender without accessing a web server.

> 
> 
> > I mean http://oser.sourceforge.net/
> 
> Name: Disasterously generic, thus the confusion.
> 
> Software: Good to see that they're aiming to use existing software, but
> seems like they haven't done a thorough requirements analysis. The software
> specified will not, on its own, replace what Exchange does.
> 
> CVS: Some config files and a couple of shell scripts. Looks pretty
> vapourous, not even Freshmeat 0.1 material. ;-)
> 
> If this project interests you, but you want something that actually works /
> exists, look at Kolab.
> 
> - Jeff
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[SLUG] ppclinux.org's benh kernel

[Adam Hewitt]

Hi All,

After a frustrating afternoon I realised that although the latest benh
kernel is 2.4.20 the source code for it is 2.4.21 which has a little
note under it saying that "the source code for 2.4.21-ben2 is available
but could not be built."...But I can't seem to find the benh source for
2.4.20...doesn't help when you are trying to build modules like ALSA and
the radeon acceleration driver...GAH!!!

Am I going mad? Has anyone else built 2.4.21 and how did you manage it
as mine bombs out with no apparent reason other than 'error 2'...?

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[SLUG] ppclinux.org's benh kernel

[Adam Hewitt]

Of course in my madness I forgot to mention that this is the ibook 
kernel I am talking about...


Hi All,

After a frustrating afternoon I realised that although the latest benh
kernel is 2.4.20 the source code for it is 2.4.21 which has a little
note under it saying that "the source code for 2.4.21-ben2 is available
but could not be built."...But I can't seem to find the benh source for
2.4.20...doesn't help when you are trying to build modules like ALSA and
the radeon acceleration driver...GAH!!!

Am I going mad? Has anyone else built 2.4.21 and how did you manage it
as mine bombs out with no apparent reason other than 'error 2'...?

Adam.

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Re: [SLUG] Debian Kernel

[Steve Kowalik]

At  3:41 pm, Tuesday, September  2 2003, Bruce Badger mumbled:
> So, would some kind soul please tell me:
> o If the kernel I'm trying to install is a reasonable one to go for?

Indeed. 2.4.21-4-686 (or 2.4.21-5-686, at a pinch) is okay.

> o Why I got the bonus SMP kernel?

I'd need to see the output of apt-get to determine that.

> o Will the bonus SMP kernel be installed too?

You said to apt-get to only download. Therefore, I'm to assume you're going
to use dpkg -i to install it, in which case, no.

> o If apt-get install will Do The Right Thing to make the non-SMP kernel
> bootable?
> 
Keep in mind if either or both kernels are installed, your machine will
remain bootable. SMP or non-SMP it will still boot. An SMP kernel is not
dependant on having more than one CPU.
That doesn't answer your question, however. If you use lilo, yes, installing
the .deb will do the Right Thing.

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[SLUG] I think I just broke a record

[Del]

My load average hit 273.

System still going, a tad slow mind you.

Anyone seen anything like this before?

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Re: [SLUG] I think I just broke a record

[Robert Collins]

On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 19:24, Del wrote:
> My load average hit 273.
> 
> System still going, a tad slow mind you.
> 
> Anyone seen anything like this before?

yeah, make -j on squid3 :}.

All 180+ source files in src/ tried to compile all at once. Ouch.

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Re: [SLUG] finance under linux

[Shaun Oliver]

do any of these tools work with the cli?
just a quicky cause I'd be interested in looking these things over.
but as some of you are aware I can't use the gui under linux as yet.
anyways just thought I'd ask,

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Re: [SLUG] finance under linux

[Jeff Waugh]

> do any of these tools work with the cli?
> just a quicky cause I'd be interested in looking these things over.
> but as some of you are aware I can't use the gui under linux as yet.

I hear that Gnucash is being ported to GTK+/GNOME 2.x, which provides deeply
integrated accessibility support. GNOME 2.4 will ship with (usable but not
100% complete) accessibility tools such as the on-screen keyboard, a speech
synthesis screen reader, braille interface and integrated magnifier. So
perhaps in the near future you'll be able to use Gnucash. :-)

The accessibility team is *very* interested in feedback, so if you feel like
joining our intrepid testing team, please leap right in!

  http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list/

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Re: [SLUG] I think I just broke a record

[Dave Airlie]

http://www.skynet.ie/~mel/tmp/slashdot_load_log

no compiling there.. pure webserver mid slashdotting :-)

after Mel released the Linux 2.4 VM documentation he wrote (book coming
soon :-)... our poor network didn't know what hit it!!!

Dave.

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, Robert Collins wrote:

> On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 19:24, Del wrote:
> > My load average hit 273.
> >
> > System still going, a tad slow mind you.
> >
> > Anyone seen anything like this before?
>
> yeah, make -j on squid3 :}.
>
> All 180+ source files in src/ tried to compile all at once. Ouch.
>
> Rob
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Re: [SLUG] I think I just broke a record

[Robert Collins]

On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 19:49, Dave Airlie wrote:
> http://www.skynet.ie/~mel/tmp/slashdot_load_log
> 
> no compiling there.. pure webserver mid slashdotting :-)
> 
> after Mel released the Linux 2.4 VM documentation he wrote (book coming
> soon :-)... our poor network didn't know what hit it!!!

Thats the sort of thing I'd like to see land on a well configured squid
accelerator.

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Re: [SLUG] finance under linux

[doug foskey]

On Tuesday 02 September 2003 11:53 am, Adam Hewitt wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> After cracking the shits that my mother-in-law is forever telling her
> friends that I work with computers and ending up coming home every night
> to fix someone elses computer problems, I have decided to get myself and
> ABN and start charging for the privilege (and as I found out 4 weeks ago
> that I am having my first baby the money will come in very handy too).
>
> Now I guess most of this will only come in useful when/if I get Debian
> running fully under my ibook, but is anyone running their business
> finances under linux? I am not registered for GST as this will only be a
> part time thing, but is there any GST software under linux?
>
> I would be very interested in finding out how/if people are doing this,
> to what extent it works for them, any problems or advise about using
> this software under linux and what software they are using?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Adam.

Use Gnucash! (Current version 1.8.5) (its great, mate) Come & join the 
revolution. (It is not set up directly for GST, but could be. Until then, you 
can transfer 1/11 of the account into a GST tracking account, so set up an 
asset & liability pair of GST accounts that should cancel out every 
accounting period.)
  There are probably others that can explain better how to set it up, but 
please copy to the gnucash list, as your explanation may go into 
documentation to assist others. 
  NB: For non-Australian readers, GST is our Goods & Services Tax. It is 
currently set at 10% (hence 1/11 of the total) Businesses claim GST credits 
on money spent in the business, & pay GST on the goods/services sold, so the 
govt accrues the difference. (Explanation simplified: I wish it were that 
simple!)

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Re: [SLUG] finance under linux

[doug foskey]

On Tuesday 02 September 2003 12:17 pm, Gonzalo Servat wrote:
> On 2/09/2003 9:53 AM +0800, Adam Hewitt wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > After cracking the shits that my mother-in-law is forever telling her
> > friends that I work with computers and ending up coming home every night
> > to fix someone elses computer problems, I have decided to get myself and
> > ABN and start charging for the privilege (and as I found out 4 weeks ago
> > that I am having my first baby the money will come in very handy too).
>
> Congratulations! :)
>
> > Now I guess most of this will only come in useful when/if I get Debian
> > running fully under my ibook, but is anyone running their business
> > finances under linux? I am not registered for GST as this will only be a
> > part time thing, but is there any GST software under linux?
>
> Not me. I use Quickbooks on Windows. It would make my day if there was
> something for Linux that does what Quickbooks can do (in its user friendly
> manner, preferably) but afaik there is none. You could run Quickbooks under
> WINE, I guess.
>
> > I would be very interested in finding out how/if people are doing this,
> > to what extent it works for them, any problems or advise about using
> > this software under linux and what software they are using?
>
> There was a mention of SQL Ledger. I had a good look at the online demo and
> unfortunately it doesn't seem to suit my needs. There are some key features
> that I need for billing my clients (such as recurring billing, reminders of
> overdue invoices, etc) which are not in said program.
>
> I'm no Quickbooks fan, but of all the accounting software out there
> Quickbooks is the most affordable (imho) and has the bare essential
> features needed to bill clients and produce the right information for the
> tax return && BAS.
>
> HTH.
>
> Regards,
> Gonzalo

All this & more in Gnucash! (reputedly better than Qbooks!)

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Re: [SLUG] Quoting (WAS "finance under linux")

[Tony Green]

On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 20:21, doug foskey wrote:
8< 8<  >8 >8
> 
> All this & more in Gnucash! (reputedly better than Qbooks!)
> 
> regards Doug

40+ lines of original post, 2 lines of reply.

What is it about the list and lack of appropriate quoting at the moment?
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[SLUG] PLPTOOLS-KDE - the Debian package from Hell

[David Fisher]

Evenin' all,

A recent dist-upgrade on my sid box sucked in a lot of stuff which I 
didn't want so I have turfed a lot of it out except for 1 package which 
is so settled in it just doesn't want to go away.

On trying to delete it, I get:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get remove plptools-kde
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  plptools-kde
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 36 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 614kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Reading changelogs... Done
(Reading database ... 147462 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing plptools-kde ...
dirname: too many arguments
Try `dirname --help' for more information.
dpkg: error processing plptools-kde (--remove):
 subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 plptools-kde
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
You have new mail in /var/mail/david
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

Is something in the apt database on colossus corrupted?  At least, how 
can I get rid of this thing?  I don't have a Psion PDA, don't wan't a 
Psion PDA, and if this is the way the software to support them 
generally behaves, will never get a bloody Psion PDA.

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Re: [SLUG] PLPTOOLS-KDE - the Debian package from Hell

[Jeff Waugh]

> Removing plptools-kde ...
> dirname: too many arguments
> Try `dirname --help' for more information.
> dpkg: error processing plptools-kde (--remove):
>  subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  plptools-kde
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> You have new mail in /var/mail/david
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
> 
> Is something in the apt database on colossus corrupted?  At least, how 
> can I get rid of this thing?  I don't have a Psion PDA, don't wan't a 
> Psion PDA, and if this is the way the software to support them 
> generally behaves, will never get a bloody Psion PDA.

No, this is just a packaging problem. As it says in the error, the pre-
removal script had an error in it (a problem with dirname, given the
output). The pre-removal script will be:

  /var/lib/dpkg/info/plptools-kde.prerm

Jump into that file and see what the dirname problem is. It may just be that
you can comment out the broken line and it will uninstall happily. Also,
when you're removing things that you really don't ever want again, it's
useful to use --purge, which will also remove any configuration information.

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Re: [SLUG] PLPTOOLS-KDE - the Debian package from Hell

[David Fisher]

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:36, Jeff Waugh wrote:

>
> No, this is just a packaging problem. As it says in the error, the
> pre- removal script had an error in it (a problem with dirname, given
> the output). The pre-removal script will be:
>
>   /var/lib/dpkg/info/plptools-kde.prerm
>
> Jump into that file and see what the dirname problem is. It may just
> be that you can comment out the broken line and it will uninstall
> happily. Also, when you're removing things that you really don't ever
> want again, it's useful to use --purge, which will also remove any
> configuration information.
>
> - Jeff
>

Sorry, but in my ignorance I can't see the problem.  So here is the 
script:

#! /bin/sh
# prerm script for plptools-kde
#
# see: dh_installdeb(1)

set -e

#
# Workaround for a mis-feature (bug?) in kdelibs:
# If mimetype is inode/x-directory, then always the folder-icon is 
displayed.
# If mimetype is something else, open dialog pops up. So, for displaying
# Psion's drive icons _AND_ opening drives without annoying dialog,
# modify konquerorrc to hide dialog when opening a Psion-drive
#

case "$1" in
remove|upgrade|failed-upgrade|abort-install|abort-upgrade|
disappear)
KDEBUGRC=`dpkg -S kdebugrc | awk '{print $2}'`
KONQRC=`dirname $KDEBUGRC`/konquerorrc
if test -f $KONQRC ; then
cp $KONQRC $KONQRC.$$
grep -v 'askSaveinode/x-psion-drive=' $KONQRC.$$ 
> $KONQRC && rm -f $KONQRC.$$
fi
;;
*)
echo "prerm called with unknown argument \`$1'" >&2
exit 0
;;
esac

# dh_installdeb will replace this with shell code automatically
# generated by other debhelper scripts.



exit 0

Can wiser eyes than mine see what it is??

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Re: [SLUG] PLPTOOLS-KDE - the Debian package from Hell

[Jeff Waugh]

> KDEBUGRC=`dpkg -S kdebugrc | awk '{print $2}'`
> KONQRC=`dirname $KDEBUGRC`/konquerorrc

Here's the dirname call, so it's going to be a bad interaction between these
two lines. Easy fix: Just comment the lines out, and purge. ;-)

- Jeff

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Re: [SLUG] PLPTOOLS-KDE - the Debian package from Hell

[David Fisher]

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:55, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
>
> > KDEBUGRC=`dpkg -S kdebugrc | awk '{print $2}'`
> > KONQRC=`dirname $KDEBUGRC`/konquerorrc
>
> Here's the dirname call, so it's going to be a bad interaction
> between these two lines. Easy fix: Just comment the lines out, and
> purge. ;-)
>
> - Jeff

Nice try, no banana.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ sudo apt-get remove --purge 
plptools-kde
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  plptools-kde*
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 6 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 614kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Reading changelogs... Done
(Reading database ... 147350 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing plptools-kde ...
cp: missing destination file
Try `cp --help' for more information.
dpkg: error processing plptools-kde (--purge):
 subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1
Errors were encountered while processing:
 plptools-kde
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

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Re: [SLUG] PLPTOOLS-KDE - the Debian package from Hell

[Jeff Waugh]

> Nice try, no banana.

I meant all of them. If you just comment out those variable definition
lines, subsequent stuff using those variables will fail. Which makes sense.

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Re: [SLUG] PLPTOOLS-KDE - the Debian package from Hell

[David Fisher]

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:18, Jeff Waugh wrote:
> 
>
> > Nice try, no banana.
>
> I meant all of them. If you just comment out those variable
> definition lines, subsequent stuff using those variables will fail.
> Which makes sense.
>

Er, yes, kinda figured that out after I sent the last one.  Commented 
them out and it worked.  Thanks, Jeff.

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Re: [SLUG] ppclinux.org's benh kernel

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Adam Hewitt wrote:
>After a frustrating afternoon I realised that although the latest benh
>kernel is 2.4.20 the source code for it is 2.4.21 which has a little
>note under it saying that "the source code for 2.4.21-ben2 is available
>but could not be built."...But I can't seem to find the benh source for
>2.4.20...doesn't help when you are trying to build modules like ALSA and
>the radeon acceleration driver...GAH!!!

I use a script to grab the latest BenH kernel from his rsync mirror:

cp benh/.config config
#rsync -avz --delete rsync.penguinppc.org::benh-devel benh
rsync -avz --delete rsync.penguinppc.org::linux-2.4-benh benh
cp config benh/.config

Last update was 2.4.22-ben1.

I've built it with drm-trunk-module-src with no probs, but you need so force
in a patch that Michel Daenzer posted to the debian-powerpc mailing list to
fix a symbols export problem with the kernel.

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Re: [SLUG] I think I just broke a record

[Steve Kowalik]

At  7:25 pm, Tuesday, September  2 2003, Del mumbled:
> My load average hit 273.
> 
> System still going, a tad slow mind you.
> 
> Anyone seen anything like this before?
> 
Running zinf (an audio player) on my workstation:

broken:~# uptime
 23:53:45 up 2 days, 22:59,  4 users,  load average: 551.83, 283.27, 113.19

It was responsive via ssh, and X was lagged by about 30 seconds.

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Re: [SLUG] Linux Partition Resize

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

>   Uh.. one of the new partitions will house Rh8.0
>   and another  will be win2k. Please do suggest
>   things I must be on the lookout for (particularly
>   with win2k around - eg grub conflicts etc).

Repeating what I've been told:
Windows apparently has the endearing habit of assuming it'll be the
only OS on the machine, and dumps its own bootloader onto the MBR with
that assumption operating.

If you're planning to add RH8 on a third partition, it would make sense
to do that last. It's less arrogant, and willingly adds any other
OSes it finds into the bootloader config. That way, you'll get all three
installs selectable at boot.

I'll second the advice about having a rescue disk handy, though :)


I'll re-emphasise that this is hearsay, as I haven't dual-booted since
about 1998, and then only to add Linux onto a shiny new box.

Hope this helps.

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Re: [SLUG] Debian Kernel

[Bruce Badger]

On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 19:17, Steve Kowalik wrote:
> At  3:41 pm, Tuesday, September  2 2003, Bruce Badger mumbled:
> > So, would some kind soul please tell me:
...
> > o Why I got the bonus SMP kernel?
> 
> I'd need to see the output of apt-get to determine that.

OK :-)

wally:~# apt-get -d install kernel-image-2.4.21-4.686
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686 kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686-smp 
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686 kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686-smp 
0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0  not upgraded.
Need to get 22.3MB of archives. After unpacking 60.9MB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
Get:1 ftp://ftp.iinet.net sarge/main kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686 2.4.21-4
[11.0MB]Get:2 ftp://ftp.iinet.net sarge/main
kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686-smp 2.4.21-4 [11.3MB]
Fetched 22.3MB in 14m11s
(26.2kB/s)
Download complete and in download only mode

> > o Will the bonus SMP kernel be installed too?
> 
> You said to apt-get to only download. Therefore, I'm to assume you're going
> to use dpkg -i to install it, in which case, no.

Well, I plan to use apt-get install without the -d this time.  Will that
work OK?

> > o If apt-get install will Do The Right Thing to make the non-SMP kernel
> > bootable?
> > 
> Keep in mind if either or both kernels are installed, your machine will
> remain bootable. SMP or non-SMP it will still boot. An SMP kernel is not
> dependant on having more than one CPU.
> That doesn't answer your question, however. If you use lilo, yes, installing
> the .deb will do the Right Thing.

Great, thanks.  In trying to understand why I got the bonus SMP kernel
(above) I used apt-get -d install to get kernel-image-2.4.20.3.686. 
This one came down *without* a bonus SMP package.

Then, when running the apt-get install again (to really install it) I
got this:

You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version
2.4.20-3-686) This will not work unless you have configured your boot
loader to use initrd. (An initrd image is a kernel image that expects to
use an INITial Ram Disk to mount a minimal root file system into RAM and
use that for booting).

This reads like "back off unless you know what you are doing!".  But is
it really saying "do remember to update lilo.conf, old bean"?  Or is it
saying something else altogether?

Many thanks,
Bruce


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Re: [SLUG] Colo somewhere *other* then Sydney CBD/North Sydney.

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

> After today's power problems in Sydney, My company is looking at
> implementing a backup system somewhere out of Sydney's CBD centers..
*smile* Oops - it _can_ happen to us!

> Anyone know of any companies which are reasonably priced with good
> bandwidth - but not in Sydney CBD / North Sydney?  Paramatta would be good.
Not sure how close it qualifies to North Sydny, but my employer (large,
faceless corporate monolith-type) uses space in a nice big facility in
West Pennant Hills. I can't recall offhand who owns/operates it, as my
team never need to go onsite, but will follow up in the next day or so
with details.
I'll find out what I can about their pricing deals, too.

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[SLUG] Potential Obstacles for Open Source

[Oscar Plameras]

 
I use to check this site and suddenly the 
info 
on the first 
page  is somewhat concerning.
 
http://www.mrtg.org
 
How would you like to pay for trivial 
things
that we do on the net and to which have been so 

accustomed  for free, much more pay for 

software from the essential ones and 
others
we can not do without and for free ? 
 
Has anyone got additional info on this 
?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
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Re: [SLUG] rsync hangs, bwlimit fixes it

[Malcolm V]

On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 17:00, David wrote:
> > > I am using the bwlimit option on rsync. If I don't use it, rsync hangs.
> > > Can anyone suggest why this is so, and how I figure out what bwlimit
> > > should be? I've started at 25 and worked my way up to 300 so far, as a
> > > process of trial and error.

> this is on an ethernet lan

Does ifconfig show any errors on the network cards (on either machine) ?

What are the Makes/models of the network cards and the hub/switch (if
any) you are using?


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Re: [SLUG] Colo somewhere *other* then Sydney CBD/North Sydney.

[Jon Teh]

On Tue, Sep 02, 2003 at 10:38:22PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > After today's power problems in Sydney, My company is looking at
> > implementing a backup system somewhere out of Sydney's CBD centers..
> *smile* Oops - it _can_ happen to us!
> 
> > Anyone know of any companies which are reasonably priced with good
> > bandwidth - but not in Sydney CBD / North Sydney?  Paramatta would be good.
> Not sure how close it qualifies to North Sydny, but my employer (large,
> faceless corporate monolith-type) uses space in a nice big facility in
> West Pennant Hills. I can't recall offhand who owns/operates it, as my
> team never need to go onsite, but will follow up in the next day or so
> with details.
> I'll find out what I can about their pricing deals, too.


That would be IBM.
It is the only corporate in WPH, AFAIK.

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[SLUG] valgrind - really cool development software

[Ken Foskey]

If you are a C or a C++ coder on an X86 platform then you should be
looking at valgrind.

valgrind will run your program and detect memory problems with it.  It
can detect leaks where things are allocated and not freed (forgotten to
close a filehandle?)

This is excellent software that has already saved me hours finding
bugs.  I have used codeguard on Windows Borland compilers for this very
reason, now I have an OSS solution.

Really cool...  Run your application through it today, you might be
surprised to find some latent bugs.

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Re: [SLUG] Time Servers

[Rob B]

At 02:35 PM 1/09/03, Edwin Humphries sent this up the stick:
What public secondary time servers are useful for those of us on AEST?
pool.ntp.org is a good one, have a look at the web site (pool.ntp.org ... 
funny that)

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[SLUG] Filesystem Comparison - Part 1 of 4 or 5

[Malcolm V]

  I started out doing a few tests on a spare partition to see if there
was any real difference between file-systems. These few tests led to a
few more test which led to a few more test, etc. Over a period of
roughly a week I collected a large amount of data which I've decided to
put up as a web page (although I'm still scratching my head on the best
way to graph some of the results).

  However I would like to post a few results to the list for those
interested in such things. The first two parts looks at the handling of
a single file, the part three (and perhaps four) will look at multiple
files and directories and the final part will just be a few odds and
ends that turned up during the testing.

  The file-systems tested were ext2, ext3 (in a lots of flavours), XFS
(in a few flavours) and reiserfs ( version 3.5 I think, maybe 3.6 ...
I'll check this later).

  All external journals (shortened to EJ here after) were on a separate
disk on a different IDE channel.

  All the results in the first part were collected with bonnie
http://www.textuality.com/bonnie/
  Bonnie runs six tests (more info on the above website);
a) A character by character write to the disk.
b) A block write to the disk.
c) A "rewrite" of the data in place.
d) A character by character read from the disk
e) A block read from the disk
f) A random "rewrite" of the data in place.

Test 1 (bonnie -s 10): This test was intentionally run with a size much
smaller then the available memory. My thinking here was that the limit
on performance would be "code efficiency", but there a quite a few
factors at play here.

A) XFS, ext2, ext3 with an EJ and tmpfs all   
   performed within 1% of each other on this test.
   Reiserfs, ext3 and ext3 with full journalling were all ~25%
slower.

B) XFS with an EJ and ext3 with an EJ journal were fastest here 
   by ~10%.
   Ext2 was next.
   XFS was ~5% slower then ext2.
   tmpfs was ~10% slower then ext2.
   ext3 with full journalling was ~40% slower then ext2.
   ext3 was ~50% slower then ext2.
   Reiserfs was almost 60% slower then ext2.

C) Ext3 with an EJ was over 10% faster then ext2.
   XFS with an EJ and tmpfs were ~8% faster then 
   ext2.
   Ext2 was next.
   XFS and reiserfs were less then 5% slower then ext2.
   Ext3 and ext3 with full journalling were ~15% slower then 
   ext2.

D) All these results were within 1% of each other.

E) Ext3 and XFS (both with EJs) were ~5% faster.
   Everything else was within 1% of ext2.

F) Ext3 with an EJ was ~10% faster than ext2.
   XFS with an EJ was ~5% faster than ext2.
   Everything else was within 1% of ext2.


The next part will be the same test run with a file size almost three
times the size of the RAM in the test machine.

Cheers,
Malcolm V.

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Re: [SLUG] valgrind - really cool development software

[Erik de Castro Lopo]

On Tue, 02 Sep 2003 23:50:31 +1000
Ken Foskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> If you are a C or a C++ coder on an X86 platform then you should be
> looking at valgrind.
> 
> valgrind will run your program and detect memory problems with it.  It
> can detect leaks where things are allocated and not freed (forgotten to
> close a filehandle?)
> 
> This is excellent software that has already saved me hours finding
> bugs.  I have used codeguard on Windows Borland compilers for this very
> reason, now I have an OSS solution.
> 
> Really cool...  Run your application through it today, you might be
> surprised to find some latent bugs.

Yep, I've been using Valgrind for over a year after Conrad Parker pointed
it out to me.

I believe tha Valgrind is one of those innovations that M$ tries to tell
us doesn't happen on Linux.

Erik
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[SLUG] Linux.Conf.Au 2004 registrations open

[Mary]

Hi everyone,

Registrations for next year's linux.conf.au 2004
[ http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ ] are now open, and they've already
received a number of registrations. Details below.

- Forwarded message from Michael Davies -

From: Michael Davies
Subject: [CTTE] Linux.Conf.Au 2004 registrations open

Linux.Conf.Au 2004 opens registrations!

Registrations for Linux.Conf.Au, Australia's national Linux and
open-source conference, to be held in Adelaide, Australia on January
12-17, 2004, open today.

Now is the time for YOUR fun to begin.  Right now, head off to
http://lca2004.linux.org.au/register/ where you can sign up and pay for
your attendance at next year's LCA.

But it's not just conference registration that you can stitch up - you
can organise dormatory accommodation on-line, arrange for your partner
to go to our Partner's Programme, sign up for miniconfs, and now for our
next extra special, secret surprise - you can sit LPI exams as well!

The Linux Professional Institute  is one of the leading
Linux certifications on offer, and on the 2 days preceding the
conference (overlapping the miniconfs), you can sit up to four of the
LPI exams at a greatly reduced cost!  Another bargaining chip to use
when explaining to your boss why they should pay for you to come to
LCA2004.

But don't leave it too long!  When we opened registrations at midnight
on September 1, people started registering straight away.  Honest!  That
was before we announced anything publicly.  We were surprised too! :-)

Register early to secure your spot - by doing so you help us put on an
even better conference!  If you want to see our more formal
announcement, please check out our Media Centre at
http://lca2004.linux.org.au/mediacentre for our press releases.

Stay tuned for more announcements soon,

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Re: [SLUG] Potential Obstacles for Open Source

[Phil Scarratt]

Oscar Plameras wrote:

 
I use to check this site and suddenly the info
on the first page  is somewhat concerning.
 
http://www.mrtg.org
 
How would you like to pay for trivial things
that we do on the net and to which have been so
accustomed  for free, much more pay for
software from the essential ones and others
we can not do without and for free ?
 
Has anyone got additional info on this ?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Oscar Plameras
http://www.acay.com.au/~oscarp/disclaimer.html
 
 

I've noticed mozilla.org is also running the notice re software patents 
in europeas is gnome.org and probably any number of othersseems 
alarming

Fil

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[SLUG] [OT] Looking for a programmer for a web page.

[dazza]

Folks.

I'm looking for a programmer to do some web page work.

Yes, it's a paid gig.

Specifications available on request, but basically I'm looking for a
pretty simply javascript, php or cgi page which will present the user with
a form, allow the filling in of some numbers, and calculate a cost based
on the entered fields and a standard amount.

Please reply off-list if you can/know someone who can fit the bill.

Thanks.

DaZZa



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Re: [SLUG] Linux Partition Resize

[Mike MacCana]

On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 22:10, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Uh.. one of the new partitions will house Rh8.0
> > and another  will be win2k. Please do suggest
> > things I must be on the lookout for (particularly
> > with win2k around - eg grub conflicts etc).
> 
> Repeating what I've been told:
> Windows apparently has the endearing habit of assuming it'll be the
> only OS on the machine, and dumps its own bootloader onto the MBR with
> that assumption operating.

Not quite true: Windows clears the MBR of other bootloaders, but doesn't
install its own bootloader there. 

NTLDR (the Windows bootloader) is installed into the partition boot
sector - the first 512 bytes of a partition.

An IA32 BIOS will first look in the MBR to execute a bootloader. If
there is no executable code in the MBR, it will look in the PBS of the
first partition.

Mike

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Re: [SLUG] ppclinux.org's benh kernel

[Adam Hewitt]

Hi Jamie,

I have searched the archives and can't find anything on a patch, could
you forward me the link by any chance??

Adam.

On Tue, 2003-09-02 at 19:46, Jamie Wilkinson wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, Adam Hewitt wrote:
> >After a frustrating afternoon I realised that although the latest benh
> >kernel is 2.4.20 the source code for it is 2.4.21 which has a little
> >note under it saying that "the source code for 2.4.21-ben2 is available
> >but could not be built."...But I can't seem to find the benh source for
> >2.4.20...doesn't help when you are trying to build modules like ALSA and
> >the radeon acceleration driver...GAH!!!
> 
> I use a script to grab the latest BenH kernel from his rsync mirror:
> 
> cp benh/.config config
> #rsync -avz --delete rsync.penguinppc.org::benh-devel benh
> rsync -avz --delete rsync.penguinppc.org::linux-2.4-benh benh
> cp config benh/.config
> 
> Last update was 2.4.22-ben1.
> 
> I've built it with drm-trunk-module-src with no probs, but you need so force
> in a patch that Michel Daenzer posted to the debian-powerpc mailing list to
> fix a symbols export problem with the kernel.
> 
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Re: [SLUG] ppclinux.org's benh kernel

[Jamie Wilkinson]

This one time, at band camp, Adam Hewitt wrote:
>Hi Jamie,
>
>I have searched the archives and can't find anything on a patch, could
>you forward me the link by any chance??

http://lists.debian.org/debian-powerpc/2003/debian-powerpc-200308/msg00783.html

The second hunk will fail, because there's an additional line in the benh
source, so just edit the file manually and put in the line that the patch
adds (or use Neil Brown's wiggle).

This is of course assuming that Ben hasn't fixed the export problem in his
rsync tree, so if you find the patch just doesn't go in because it's already
there, then there's nothing to worry about.

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[SLUG] ibook keymapping

[Adam Hewitt]

Hi All,

Ok I now have a compiled kernel and gnome is working (finally), however
I dont think I am using the correct keymappings. The keyboard works in
console and gnome, however some things dont work such as the Fn+F2..F11
keys dont work in console so I can't change consoles however they work
in X (so if I go to a console from X I can't get back).

Does anyone have an english qwerty kepmapping working in both X and
console and if so which ones are you using?

Adam.


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Re: [SLUG] Colo somewhere *other* then Sydney CBD/North Sydney.

[Andrew McNaughton]

On Tue, 2 Sep 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> > Anyone know of any companies which are reasonably priced with good
> > bandwidth - but not in Sydney CBD / North Sydney?  Paramatta would be good.
> Not sure how close it qualifies to North Sydny, but my employer (large,
> faceless corporate monolith-type) uses space in a nice big facility in
> West Pennant Hills. I can't recall offhand who owns/operates it, as my
> team never need to go onsite, but will follow up in the next day or so
> with details.
> I'll find out what I can about their pricing deals, too.

I'm helping out with a group which is providing mostly web and mail
services for a bunch of community and activist organisations.  They need
to move their main server and are looking at options of where to move to.

So, I'd also like to hear about your company's pricing, and whether
they're approachable about special deals for non-profit organisations.

Andrew McNaughton


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Re: [SLUG] Debian Kernel

[Steve Kowalik]

At 10:43 pm, Tuesday, September  2 2003, Bruce Badger mumbled:
> wally:~# apt-get -d install kernel-image-2.4.21-4.686
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
>   kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686 kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686-smp 
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686 kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686-smp 
> 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0  not upgraded.
> Need to get 22.3MB of archives. After unpacking 60.9MB will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
> Get:1 ftp://ftp.iinet.net sarge/main kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686 2.4.21-4
> [11.0MB]Get:2 ftp://ftp.iinet.net sarge/main
> kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686-smp 2.4.21-4 [11.3MB]
> Fetched 22.3MB in 14m11s
> (26.2kB/s)
> Download complete and in download only mode
> 
Because you are installing 'kernel-image-2.4.21-4.686', which gets expanded
to both kernels. Install 'kernel-image-2.4.21-4-686', and you'll get only
686.

> Well, I plan to use apt-get install without the -d this time.  Will that
> work OK?
> 
Keeping in mind the above information, it will work okay.

> Great, thanks.  In trying to understand why I got the bonus SMP kernel
> (above) I used apt-get -d install to get kernel-image-2.4.20.3.686. 
> This one came down *without* a bonus SMP package.
> 
> Then, when running the apt-get install again (to really install it) I
> got this:
> 
> You are attempting to install an initrd kernel image (version
> 2.4.20-3-686) This will not work unless you have configured your boot
> loader to use initrd. (An initrd image is a kernel image that expects to
> use an INITial Ram Disk to mount a minimal root file system into RAM and
> use that for booting).
> 
> This reads like "back off unless you know what you are doing!".  But is
> it really saying "do remember to update lilo.conf, old bean"?  Or is it
> saying something else altogether?
> 
It's saying "do remember to update lilo.conf, or Bad Things Will Happen."
Like having an unbootable shiny new kernel.

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Re: [SLUG] Debian Kernel

[Nicholas Wilcox]

Steve Kowalik said:

>>
>> This reads like "back off unless you know what you are doing!".  But
>> is it really saying "do remember to update lilo.conf, old bean"?  Or
>> is it saying something else altogether?
>>
> It's saying "do remember to update lilo.conf, or Bad Things Will
> Happen." Like having an unbootable shiny new kernel.

It's actually saying to make sure you have the initrd= line in the
kernel definition in your lilo.conf. Sometimes you can update the image
parameter but forget to change the initrd parameter.


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[SLUG] Dspam implemented.

[Stuart Guthrie]

I've just installed and run dspam as part of a postfix/dspam/procmail 
on Mandrake Linux. I'll use the next two weeks to see if its working OK
then I will post the results to the list.

This spam filter lets the user choose what's spam and what's not. Does
the bayesian filter thingo and can trigger spam and false positives.
Looks good but I'll tell it like it is in two weeks or so.

If it works, once setup it's zero(ish) admin for the sysadmin. 

For the first time in a long time, I'm looking forward to receiving
SPAM!

HTH

Stu

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