Re: [SLUG] Disabling HDMI sound

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Hi all again.

First, thanks Josh for your suggestion.

Sridhar suggested checking dmesg, which I found:

[4.054115] snd_hda_intel :01:00.1: Handle VGA-switcheroo audio client
[4.054117] snd_hda_intel :01:00.1: Force to non-snoop mode

Then looking in syslog I found:

Nov 16 20:41:04 patrick-desktop kernel: [4.109628] snd_hda_intel
:00:1f.3: failed to add i915_bpo component master (-19)

So, doing a Google

I found:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2293912


Which lead to:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/UpgradingAlsa/DKMS

Which suggested:

sudo apt-get install dkms

followed by a visit to:

https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-audio-dev/+archive/ubuntu/alsa-daily/+packages


Which is by the Ubuntu Audio Development Team

Packages in “ALSA daily build snapshots”

Downloading
oem-audio-hda-daily-lts-vivid-dkms - 0.201509251531~ubuntu14.04.1.deb

I then installed the .deb and rebooted

Et voilà!

Sound out of the onboard audio.

Nice.

Had to fiddle around with the PulseAudio settings and master controls
to make everything use the onboard audio but there we are.

Thought I'd post this in case anyone else experienced the same problem :)

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[SLUG] Disabling HDMI sound

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Hi All,

My new machine has an ASUS motherboard:

H170M-E D3


and an AMD Radeon R7 360 video card.


I'm running Kubuntu 14.04


I am getting no sound through the motherboard's onboard sound card.

I get sound over HDMI and fortunately my monitor has an HDMI port AND
built in speakers. However these are no-where near as good as my
desktop speakers.

The only option in the BIOS is HD Audio Controller (enable/disable).
However nothing I change here has any effect.

In the GUI the onboard sound is greyed out. Alsamixer shows HDMI sound
only. The desktop GUI shows only HDMI.

aplay -l shows only the HDMI sound.

I have tried a number of things including
/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist I have added

snd_hda_intel

and adding a line in GRUB
radeon.audio=1 and using 0 as well.

I have found another possible solution here:
http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature/

Which suggests, under Linux kernel parameters

Option: radeon.audio
Value:: 0,1
Default Value: 0
Explanation: Disable/enable HDMI audio

My question is: what *do* I do with this? I'm assuming I need to
add/remove something *somwhere* but...where/what?

Any help would be most appreciated. Without the onboard sound card I'm
stuck with the crappy monitor speakers and cannot use headphones nor
use a microphone for video conferencing etc.

Regards,

Patrick
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Re: [SLUG] slug Digest, Vol 115, Issue 3

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

+1

From: Marghanita da Cruz 
> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 09:16:31 +1000
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Website
> Hi All,
>
> How about a hackfest of the website at the SLUG meeting on Friday evening.
>
> Who has the passwords? Do we have to recover them?
>
> Marghanita
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Re: [SLUG] slug Digest, Vol 115, Issue 1

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

I'd say it needs a new sponsor/organiser.

I was not able to make the last meeting so wasn't able to raise the
issue at the meeting.

1. Did anyone raise the issue?
2. If so, was there a resolution to the issue?

Any information appreciated :)

Patrick

> -- Forwarded message --
> From: David 
> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:36:20 +1000
> Subject: Re: [SLUG] Website
> Not a great advertisement for Linux in Sydney :(
>
> Whoever is looking after the website, isn't. Does SLUG need a new website 
> sponsor? or is the organisation passed it's use by date? T'would be a pity 
> indeed.
>
> David
>
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[SLUG] Reminder : September 2015 SLUG meeting

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Friday 25 September
18:00–21:00

Google offices
48 Pirrama Road
Pyrmont

We still have room for other lightning talks so if you have something to
talk about or start a discussion on or even a question to ask please call
or email rob...@smitonline.net.au 0468 306 239

Food will be at 6pm and talks usually begine at 6:30pm

Main Talk

Using SAMBA4 as a Active Directory domain controller.

I will be talking about SAMBA4 and using it as a active directory Domain
Controller. Will begin with a discussion of the basics of AD and some of
the essential components like kerberos and how it works.

How to find us:
Oposite Star city. Front doors lock after 6 if you arive late call 0468 306
239

Details: http://www.meetup.com/Sydney-Linux-User-Group/events/225240286/
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Re: [SLUG] Photographs and Archive

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Nice one, Richard.

I like the layout and the text that appears on the images when you select one.

:)

Regards,

Patrick

 Richard Ibbotson 
> Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 18:36:35 +
> Subject: [SLUG] Photographs and Archive
> Hi
>
> http://sleepypenguin.homelinux.org/photographs/
> http://sleepypenguin.homelinux.org/blog/?p=296
>
> After some long weeks of some system administration it looks like I've
> been able to sort out my web server at last.  If you are interested
> have a browse.  Might entertain you for a few minutes.
>
> Regards
>
> --
> Richard
> Sheffield UK
>
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Re: [SLUG] Debian Linux Release

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Brett wrote:

" Debian Linux Release."
>
> This sounds like a good talk for Friday Week ?
> Brett Coady
>

Seconded.

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Re: [SLUG] James Vasile Talks about Legal Aspects of Software Licences

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

From: Richard Ibbotson 

> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 23:30:07 +0100
> Subject: [SLUG] James Vasile Talks about Legal Aspects of Software Licences
> Hi
>
> https://soundcloud.com/richard-ibbotson/james-vasile-came-to-sheffield
>
> I did this so that everyone could listen to it.

SNIP

Thanks for that, Richard.

Will have to have a listen :))

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Re: [SLUG] Weekly Reading material for Linux

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

>
> From: David Lyon 
> Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 10:27:54 +1000
> Subject: [SLUG] Weekly Reading material for Linux
> Hi all,
>
> This site has on some of the interesting posts on what Linux has been doing
> recently:
>
>  - http://linuxgizmos.com/
>
> Many things I didn't know about.
>
>
>
Nice one, David. Thanks.

Patrick
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[SLUG] SLUG Meeting and AGM 26 April 2012 and request for talks

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Dear All,

1. The regular SLUG meeting will be held concurrent with the AGM.

2. Could anyone who would like to present on the night please contact me
directly.

3. We presently have no nominations for the SLUG committee.  If you would
like to nominate, please do so.

Being on the committee is an opportunity to have a direct influence on the
direction and focus of SLUG and can be very interesting and rewarding.

4. Details for the upcoming meeting:


 Location
   Google Sydney - 48 Pirrama Road, Pyrmont

   Summary
 * Date: Friday 26 April 2013
 * Start time: Arrive at 6pm for a 6:30pm start
 * Format: Lightning talks

  We still have room for more Lightning talks.

   Remember:

* They don't have to be long
* They can be something about which YOU are interested - most likely other
people will be too!
* You do not have to be a world expert on the subject, though you may
surprise yourself that you are the ONLY person in the room that knows
anything about which you are talking :)

Please contact me if you're interested :)

   Regards,

   Patrick
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Re: [SLUG] Coffee Table Linux

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Sounds great to me! :)


On 9 April 2013 12:00, Marghanita da Cruz  wrote:

> Hi Patrick and all,
>
> As it turns out, the Empire Hotel (corner of Johnston St and Parramatta
> Road Annandale)
> has been refurbished and has reasonably priced food. (They have LED candle
> lighting)
>
> A couple of doors down is a LED store - and I might be able to organise
> something with him, if this appeals.
>
> Marghanita
>
> David Lyon wrote:
>
>> Sounds good to me.
>>
>> Let's hear what other people have to say.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Marghanita da Cruz <
>> marghan...@ramin.com.au 
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for this David.
>>
>> Perhaps we could have an LED Lighting theme for the May SLUG meeting.
>> in the spirit of the vivid festival http://www.vividsydney.com/
>>
>> LEDs are my pet project, but the only link to Linux, so far, has
>> been the
>> webserver:
>> 
>> http://www.ramin.com.au/eco-__**sydney/LED-Lighting-guide.__**shtml
>> 
>> 
>> >
>>
>> Marghanita
>>
>>
>> David Lyon wrote:
>>
>> In Europe, people not only use Linux to power data-centres but
>> also
>> their coffee tables. Adding LED's to your Linux can give very
>> relaxing
>> results.
>>
>> Here's a nice coffee-table probject for Linux along with a
>> link to the source code:
>>
>> �- 
>> https://metalab.at/wiki/__**RetinaTattoo
>> 
>> 
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Marghanita da Cruz
>> Ramin Communications Pty Ltd
>> http://ramin.com.au/
>> Phone:(+61)0414-869202 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
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> Ramin Communications Pty Ltd
> http://ramin.com.au/
> Phone:(+61)0414-869202
>
>
>
>
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[SLUG] WAS: 20 years of using Linux at home NOW: Book - 20 years of Linux

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

>From: Marghanita da Cruz 
>Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2013 13:50:27 +1100

>All,

>I am probably going to regret this...but do you think this is worth a book?
>http://ramin.com.au/linux/formatting-e-books-and-paperbacks.shtml


I think it would definitely be worth a book, M.

Key moments in GNU/Linux history told as a users personal recollection :))

Just my two-penneth worth.

Regards,

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Re: [SLUG] 20 years of using Linux at home

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

From: Martin Visser Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013
21:46:39 +1100


> Subject: [SLUG] 20 years of using Linux at home
> Well today pretty much marks 20 years since I've used Linux at home.

SNIP

Happy anniversary, Martin :)

Regards,

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[SLUG] IMPORTANT: March SLUG meeting cancelled

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Dear All,

Due to a confluence of events - early Easter and regular SLUG meeting
evening - the March meeting will be postponed until April.

Unfortunately we were not able to secure a room for this Thursday, as
opposed to our normal Friday.

The April meeting will also comprise our AGM.

Please indicate ahead of time if you are interesting in being on the SLUG
committee.

All positions will become vacant at the AGM and at present there are no
nominees.

Regards,

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Re: [SLUG] SLUG AGM and Meeting 29th March

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Per Marghanita's comment about the scheduled SLUG meeting being on 'Good
Friday' my only excuse is that I don't 'attend' to such things :)

Tim is checking if we can get the space on the Thursday preceding.

Update soon.

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[SLUG] SLUG AGM and Meeting 29th March

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Hi All,

Thought I would write to remind people of the pending AGM and to  encourage
people to nominate for the SLUG committee.

Remember that the committee members organise the meetings and talks and act
as contacts for those who are interested in presenting, attending meetings
and engaging with SLUG, as well as more immediately influencing the
direction SLUG takes in the future.



Regards,

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[SLUG] March SLUG meeting will also include AGM

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Dear All,

This months SLUG meeting will also include an AGM.

Tim Ansell will be stepping down as President and I am also considering not
standing for the committee this year.

We would like to encourage all SLUG members to consider standing for the
committee or in supporting someone who may wish to. There are many ways you
can support the community and we encourage you to 'put on your thinking
caps' and 'roll up your sleeves'

SLUG needs your help and input to continue to provide interesting and
enjoyable meetings, to maintain and further develop community interaction
and involvement and to help move SLUG into new areas of activity
.

Should you have any questions about the committee and its responsibilities,
please don't hesitate to contact Tim or me or any of the other people whom
you know may have previously been involved with coordination SLUG
activities.

Looking forward to seeing everyone at the meeting.

Yours,

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[SLUG] SLUG Meeting Friday 22 February 2031

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

SummaryDate: Friday, 22 February 6 p.m.
Start: Arrive at 6pm for a 6:30pm startDetails

Main Talk
David Lyon: Raspberry Pi

Lightning talks to be determined on the night.


LocationGoogle Sydney Level 5, Workplace 6 48 Pirrama Road Pyrmont, NSW
Map: http://signup.slug.org.au/map Getting there The Google office is the
big black building marked "Accenture" opposite Star City Pirrama Road
facade.

If using the trains, you can go either get off at;

   - Town Hall station, head towards Darling Harbour, walk across the
   Pyrmont footbridge and then follow Pirrama Road towards Star city.
   - Central station, then follow the light rail instructions.

If using the buses, the route 443 stops right out front of the building.

If using the light rail, get off at Star City station and walk across the
street.

If you drive, then you can look for parking on the suburban streets around
the office (or pay for parking at the Casino), and then walk from there.

 Afterwards We'll be aiming to finish by 8pm and will be heading to the
Pyrmont Bridge Hotel (PBH) afterwards to socalise and eat dinner
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[SLUG] SLUG meeting Friday 22 February - call for presentations/talks

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Hi all,

It's SLUG time!

Can anyone who is interesting in giving a talk, long, short,
lightening or otherwise or would like to raise something at the
meeting, please contact me directly so we can arrange details.

Many thanks,

Patrick
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[SLUG] SLUG mail list

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Hi all,

My apologies for the current e-mail issues.

During the break (Christmas/New Year) the mail server decided to have a
holiday too!

We're migrating the functions at the moment but according to the erstwhile
Tim (Ansell), this will require some assistance to complete.

Tim can provide more specific details but I thought I'd send a general
e-mail requesting that anyone who is interested in helping out to please
contact the committee list or Tim or myself directly.

Many thanks for your patience and assistance.

Regards,

Patrick
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[SLUG] REL On connecting a printer.

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

 wbenn...@turing.une.edu.au
> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:39:49 +1100
> I have a printer, a Brother H5340 OD.
>
> In past editions of Ubuntu, I managed to connect it to the laptop via a
> USB port.
>
> However, not this time.
>
> I assume that when I installed the latest Ubuntu, the printer driver was
> saved and lurks somewhere in the machine.
>
> Details:
> Toshiba Sattelite A660, running Ubuntu 11.04 64-bit version.
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> William Bennett.
>

Hi William,

I'm not certain as to what you mean by:

> I assume that when I installed the latest Ubuntu, the printer driver was
> saved and lurks somewhere in the machine.

Was this a clean install or updating by changing the repos?

If you haven't already, I'd suggest checking out what's available in
the printer options. If you can't find one which suits I had a quick
look at the Brother site for your printer - HL-5340D:

http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/linux/en/download_prn.html#HL-5340D

If you can't find the driver in the options provided for printers I'd
suggest downloading and installing the driver from here.

Regards,

Patrick
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[SLUG] Talks for SLUG meeting this Friday

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Can anyone who is intending to give a talk please contact me as soon
as possible so I can ensure we have enough time arranged.

Many thanks,

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[SLUG] Re: Presentation at next meeting

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Patrick Shirkey wrote:



>1. Presentation at next meeting (Patrick Shirkey)
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 13:01:03 +1100 (EST)
> Subject: [SLUG] Presentation at next meeting
> Hi,
>
> I would like to give a presentation at the next slug meeting but the
> presentation form seems to be broken.
>
> Max suggested I contact the list directly.
>
>
>
>
Hi Patrick,

Apols for the site not working. We'll get on to it.

Re: presentations. Fantastic!

Can you let us know what you'd like to present on? I'll PM you and we can
discuss time etc.

Regards,

Patrick :)
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[SLUG] Talks for SLUG meeting this Friday 28 September

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Hi all,

Anyone who is thinking of a talk or has one ready for this Friday's
meeting, please let me know if you haven't already.

There are spots available :))

Regards,

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[SLUG] Meeting this Friday 29 July

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Hi all,

If you interested in giving a presentation or talk (short-shortish :))
then you may not be too late.

Let me know as soon as you can and I'll let you know.

Regards,

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Re: [SLUG] Bar Code scanners

[elliott-brennan]

First, thanks everyone for the responses.

Thanks James et al regarding Android phone apps.

The Android scanner app works REALLY WELL. I'm 
impressed. Goodreads is great.


Though I'm impressed I want something for my 
desktop, say with Tellico, so I'm going to go with:


Thanks John. I just bought the scanner from 
LibraryThing.


It doesn't say how long it'll take. If it's okay, 
I'll borrow yours until it arrives. I'll PM you.


To anyone interested, the Android app Goodreads is 
really impressive and scanning is a complete 
breeze. It does sequential scans as well. You just 
keep scanning bar codes and it adds all the books 
to a designated 'shelf', you don't need to 'okay' 
anything or click/press/swipe anything other than 
scan the barcode. Dead easy.


Again, thanks everyone for the feedback.

I may run a small talk for SLUG on Tellico and 
barcode scanning when I've started :)


Regards,

Patrick


James Polley 
Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:10:24 +1000




You have an Android phone, right?

http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/android-barcode-scanner/


SNIPPITY


GoodReads has an android app that not only does the scanning, it also
uploads your book list to their service that helps you track them -
http://www.goodreads.com/blog/show/281-announcing-barcode-scanner-in-the-goodreads-android-app


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Re: [SLUG] Bar Code scanners

[elliott-brennan]

Hi Jake,

I'm going to use Tellico (in repos) which I've 
used for projects before.


It's a bit fiddly to start with - but obvious in 
lots of ways.


Check out the repos for it. I quite like it.


Jake Anderson 
Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:01:34 +1000


SNIPPITY SNIP



I'm in the same situation wrt books and scanners.
I want to make/use some kind of library software
with some kind of isbn lookup.
Any pointers on where to start with it all?

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[SLUG] Bar Code scanners

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Hi all,

I've got to scan a whole collection of books (a couple of hundred at least)
and was wondering if anyone has any experience with those that do/don't
work with Linux or know of another way I can scan the books?

A loan of one would be good, if possible.

Regards,

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Re: [SLUG] FreeNAS share mount problem

[elliott-brennan]

Thanks Peter and Michael,

Seems like I was missing the nfs-client:

nbd-client
nfs-common

Since installing these all is good with the 
world...well, with me trying to mount a share on 
the FreeNAS set up :)


Sometimes one can be so close but *not quite there*.

Many, many thanks,

Regards,

Patrick

On 09/04/12 14:44, pe...@chubb.wattle.id.au wrote:

"elliott-brennan" == elliott-brennan  writes:


elliott-brennan>  Hi all, Has anyone much experience with FreeNAS?



Snip, snip, snippity


That message may mean you haven't got the nfs-client installed on your
system.

Do
dmesg | tail
like it says after the mount attempt, to see what the kernel message
is.

Peter C





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[SLUG] FreeNAS share mount problem

[elliott-brennan]

Hi all,

Has anyone much experience with FreeNAS?

I've set up a trial box here at home.

All seems fine.

I've followed the destructions in the manual, 
according to which I needed to format the drives 
(there are two 320G HDD in the machine) in UFS as 
I've only 2G of RAM in the machine.


The following is a summary:


Anyway. I've followed the destructions. I can 
connect and transfer files to the thing IF I use 
FTP. Which I don't want to.


I want to use it so that I can automate backups 
from the machines at home. Eventually I want to 
put in either one or two 2Tb disk. At present I 
have two 320G left overs.


So, I've followed through stuff here:

http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Unix_(NFS)_Shares

If you check from *Sample NFS Share Configuration* 
down, on the page I've listed, then


I've got 'patrick' as user and 'home' as group

The volume data set is

 /mnt/FreeNAS1

which is the first disk.

I had to use USF as the file system as the manual 
says that ZFS can'/t be used as I'm using only 2G 
of RAM.


If I try:

# mount -t nfs 192.168.2.2:/mnt/data /mnt
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock 
on 192.168.2.2:/mnt/data,
   missing codepage or helper program, or 
other error
   (for several filesystems (e.g. nfs, cifs) 
you might

   need a /sbin/mount. helper program)
   In some cases useful info is found in 
syslog - try

   dmesg | tail  or so


If I try using 'ufs' as the file type I get:

mount -t ufs nfs 192.168.0.12/mnt/FreeNAS1 
/home/patrick/FreeNAS1/

Usage: mount -V : print version
   mount -h : print this help
   mount: list mounted 
filesystems
   mount -l : idem, including 
volume labels

So far the informational part. Next the mounting.
The command is `mount [-t fstype] something 
somewhere'.

Details found in /etc/fstab may be omitted.
   mount -a [-t|-O] ... : mount all stuff 
from /etc/fstab
   mount device : mount device at 
the known place
   mount directory  : mount known 
device here
   mount -t type dev dir: ordinary mount 
command
Note that one does not really mount a device, one 
mounts

a filesystem (of the given type) found on the device.
One can also mount an already visible directory 
tree elsewhere:

   mount --bind olddir newdir
or move a subtree:
   mount --move olddir newdir
One can change the type of mount containing the 
directory dir:

   mount --make-shared dir
   mount --make-slave dir
   mount --make-private dir
   mount --make-unbindable dir
One can change the type of all the mounts in a 
mount subtree

containing the directory dir:
   mount --make-rshared dir
   mount --make-rslave dir
   mount --make-rprivate dir
   mount --make-runbindable dir
A device can be given by name, say /dev/hda1 or 
/dev/cdrom,
or by label, using  -L label  or by uuid, using -U 
uuid .

Other options: [-nfFrsvw] [-o options] [-p passwdfd].
For many more details, say  man 8 mount

*

Any help would be most appreciated as it's driving 
me nuts. I've had a look on the FreeNAS site but 
wasn't able to find anything more useful (to me, 
that is) :(


Regards,

Patrick



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[SLUG] Re: Linux video editors - any good ?

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Rod wrote
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 09:44:44 +1100
> Subject: [SLUG] Linux video editors - any good ?
> I need to edit and format videos for uploading to UTube, on Linux,
preferably using a free program (no budget !).
> I last tried this on Linux a few years ago and encountered so many bugs
and limitations with Kino, Kdenlive and LIVES that I gave up and used a
cheap proprietary Windows program.
> Is there any fully-usable free Linux editor yet ?
> thanks
> Rod

Hi Rod,

If you have a quick look at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TepTD2_3e7U&list=UUsA22G-Vg4Jexx-0W_SRyTg&index=6&feature=plcp

Or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8j3e10Q1Zw&list=UUsA22G-Vg4Jexx-0W_SRyTg&index=9&feature=plcp

Or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkrdQ7LFwAU&list=UUsA22G-Vg4Jexx-0W_SRyTg&index=10&feature=plcp

You'll find some videos edited with a combination of KDEnlive, GIMP and
SMILE and a program I cant remember (I'm in Fiji on hols - good excuse I
know :))

I find that I need a combination of applications to get some effects I
want. Then again there's not really any individual program within the
propriety world that does it all either :)

I've found no general issues with KDEnlive so am curious as to what issues
you came across. When I get back (10 days) I'll be more than happy to
correspond more frequently to help out.

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[SLUG] Talks, talks, talks.

[elliott-brennan]

Hi all,

It's that time of the month! Talks for the March 
SLUG meeting are being sorted.


If you'd like to give a talk please book on the 
website or contact James Polley


jamezpol...@gmail.com

I'll be OS until the first week of April and so 
won't be able to make the meeting 
(leaving...leaving...gone!).


Hope you all have a good meeting :)

Regards,

Patrick






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[SLUG] Re: Australian distributor product page for Raspberry Pi

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Thanks, Jeff.

Patrick

> From: Jeff Waugh 

> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 04:40:03
> Have at it:
>
>
http://au.element14.com/raspberry-pi/raspbrry-pcba/sbc-raspberry-pi-model-b/dp/2081185
>
> More information:
>
> http://www.rasberrypi.org/
>
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[SLUG] Issues and activities discussion for 2012

[elliott-brennan]

Dear All,

First, on behalf of the committee I would like to 
thank everyone for their participation, 
involvement and assistance during 2011 both at 
meetings and on the mailing list. It's a bit 
clichéd (cliché 1) but without everyone's 
assistance we'd not have a LUG. After attending 
LCA 2012, I was struck by the struggles some LUGs 
experience in maintaining their presence and while 
there's always room to improve (cliché 2) we're 
doing not too badly.


Naturally the hardest part is people finding time 
(cliché 3) to participate in face-to-face events. 
The committee is hoping that we're able to expand 
the LUGs activities to create a greater range of 
events to encourage this to happen (cliché 4) and 
ensure LUG members to generally feel there's 
something for them (clichés 5-10).


While I will be summarising the following at the 
February meeting, for those cannot make it I've 
provided a quick look forward to a possible 2012 
and beyond.


If you have things you'd like to add, then please 
e-mail me directly so I can update the list and 
then make it available to everyone.


NB. Please remember that this is more of a 'focus 
group' e-mail. For those unfamiliar with the 
process, it means that any ideas or suggestions 
can be made.


It's not an opportunity to criticise or negatively 
comment on suggestions made by others which you 
don't like.


However, if there is a suggestion on the list and 
you believe you know of an easier solution, form 
of implementation etc, then please feel free to 
provide details.


So, on to 2012.


SECTION ONE

EVENTS FOR THE FUTURE

We are building up a list of events for 2012 (and 
beyond) for which we will need volunteers and 
other assistance. Please let us know if you have 
any ideas along this line.


a. Install-Fest
Speaks for itself really

It has been suggested this could be combined with
b. Software/Application-use day

We'd have people giving hands-on demonstrations of 
various applications/software etc on a GNU/Linux 
platform. It was suggested that installing has 
become so easy that it may not be as 'big an 
issue' as in previous years.


Regardless of views on this, it was suggested that 
it may be  more productive to have a day during 
which people can learn to use the OS and 
applications rather than just how to install it.


c. Regular SLUG/FOSS presence at the North Rocks 
computer market (or similar)
This was suggested as a means by which to promote 
the use of GNU/Linux in the general computing 
community. By having a regular presence people 
will have the ability to approach SLUG members, 
discuss FOSS related issues and become familiar 
with the subject.


This would be similar to out-reach programs run by 
social services agencies (eg. health, youth 
services). These programs have been shown to have 
a positive effect on encouraging use and interest 
and will (I believe) work for SLUG and FOSS.


d. Software Freedom Day.
It has been some times since SLUG was present on SFD.
If we can generate enough interest in working 
towards a SLUG presence, this will be used to 
develop a larger presence in 2013.


e. There has also been discussion about whether we 
should include Android related material in 
presentations.


I'll send a query to the list about this asking 
for people's views in general.




SECTION TWO

There were some fantastic suggestions and they're 
listed below. If you have any ideas or areas of 
interest you'd like to hear presentations on, then 
please let me and/or the list know.


Naturally we'll also be looking for people who 
would be willing to volunteer to speak on some of 
these subjects :)


As usual the committee is more than willing to 
help you in preparing and organising your 
presentation (eg. format suggestions, assistance 
with presenting).


If you have an interest in an area, please don't 
assume other people have already put up their hand 
to speak about it. If we don't have people 
volunteering their time and effort then we will 
not be able to cover the areas of interest expressed.


If it suits best, we can arrange for you speak 
over a period of time (a collection of short talks 
about a subject) or even have a regular lightning 
talk spot.


Again, if you're interested, please either contact 
a committee member directly or catch up with us at 
a SLUG meeting.


SLUG MEETING IDEAS

Tim Ansell has suggested a regular monthly 
meeting, separate from the SLUG Friday meetings. 
These would be on a weekend and would incorporate 
activities such as coding, editing (graphic, 
video) etc.


A 'fix-it' day has also been suggested. This would 
be where people can bring intransigent and 
truculent hardware to receive assistance in taming it.


Social meetings. This has been raised previously 
and so I'm adding this in again. The idea was that 
members would announce a place and time for SLUG 
members to get together outside of the group 
Friday meetings.


There has been a suggestion for some meetings to 
be held in We

[SLUG] ANNOUNCEMENT: SLUG meeting Friday 24 February 2012 at 6PM

[elliott-brennan]

Dear All,

For some reason it appears the group mail alert is 
not working :(


So, a quick remind the February meeting is this 
Friday, 24 Feb.


Start: Arrive at 6pm for a 6:30pm start

Presentations:

Tim's Tidbits
James Explains
Patrick Picks
Babak's bits

Main talk

John August
Part two
Ethics, GNU/Linux and all that

NB. John will provide a quick round up of part one 
(in case you missed it).


Regards,

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Re: [SLUG] Re: Android-based smartphones - any ,> drawbacks

[elliott-brennan]

"Voytek Eymont"
Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:33:37 +1100
>
Patrick wrote:>>> >>  The friends who have iPhone 
4's have complained about battery life but

>>  in many ways this is the consequence of these devices have such a large
>>  range of capabilities (web browsing, applications for games and sites,
>>  taking photos, listening to music or watching movies etc). For examle,


Voytek wrote

above of course aplies not to just to Apple


I hadn't meant to imply it was only Apple devices. 
I can see how it looks that way. I did give the 
Samsung Galaxy S2 (which I own) as an example too :))


See: >> >>  the  S2 really needs something like 
Juice Defender to improve it's

>>  battery life, which is not great when compared to my Nokia N95.


I find that if I use something like Juice Defender 
and then lock down everything it last a long 
time...but that's a bit like having Ferrari F450 
and then not driving it anywhere.


Voytek:


in my experience, only 3G data enabled makes a significant battery drain,

this is my single biggest gripe with my phone, why does having 3g data
enabled should drain so much battery if my phone is set not to do all this
social networking stuff, etc. apparently, it can be overcome with like
Juice defender, etc, but, surely a smart phone could have data on and
'snooze it' till needed on demand


I know what you mean. "Here's a great phone will 
all these functions. 'Fraid it'll only last two 
hours until you have to recharge it though."


Patrick wrote:


>>  My experience of the browser on stock iPhones is that it's pretty much
>>  dreadful. Highly inflexible and difficult to navigate. My theory about
>>  the rise of apps in the iOS world is that the dreadful browser on the
>>  iPhone has meant that you really do need a separate app to make
>>  accessing information or services an imperative.


Voytek wrote:


again, I have never used iPhone, so., can't comment there, BUT I really
think above applies to any device with circa 4" screen, most web pages
simply don't scale well to fit on 4" screen.


You should try it out. My experience is that 
Safari is just purely dreadful. Others may beg to 
differ.



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[SLUG] Bundling OS with PC unfair commercial practice - France

[elliott-brennan]

Tre interesting:

In short, a French court decided that such 
bundling was unfair and ordered a refund *and* 
court costs paid.


Given this was based on existing Euro laws which 
were not apparently aimed at MS, this could be an 
interesting and significant turn of events.


http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/249340/lenovo_ordered_to_pay_and83641920_for_making_french_laptop_buyer_pay_for_windows_too.html

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[SLUG] Re: Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Rod wrote:
> I originally asked whether there was any important functionality that
Android-based phones lacked compared to the competition, and whether they
struggled with any file formats. I then added that this appeared to me to
be an issue of available apps and requested confirmation or otherwise of
this assumption - the inference I intended was that I assumed that any such
issues would not be a function of the operating systems themselves but
rather a function of what apps had been written and what they could do.
> Rather than actually address the questions posters responded with clumsy
sarcasm, recast the questions in terms of their pet hobbyhorses and
wandered off into moral philosophy. Closest we got was some facts about
techniques for extending battery life, which is important and relevant, but
I still don't know how Android compares in this area to the competition.
> Rod
>

Fair enough, Rod. Drifting off the subject...

>From what I know of those with iPhones (I don't have one, I've got a
Samsung Galaxy S2)) , when we compare phones there's little different in
the way of applications and thus general, everyday user functionality. I
think, as Ken commented, there can be circumstances in which something is
only available for iOS (MIMS, as Ken mentioned).

The friends who have iPhone 4's have complained about battery life but in
many ways this is the consequence of these devices have such a large range
of capabilities (web browsing, applications for games and sites, taking
photos, listening to music or watching movies etc). For examle, the  S2
really needs something like Juice Defender to improve it's battery life,
which is not great when compared to my Nokia N95. I can get more than 24
hours if I stop all the automatic synching and endless search for wireless
networks. My N95 would give me a couple of days.

I would imagine it would come down to whether there was a specific
capability you wanted or needed. For example, my Nokia N8 took the best
photos and video of any mobile phone out there. There is daylight between
it and the next on the list...take your choice.

Given your comment in relation to hardware/OS v applications, I'm not aware
of any statistics in relation to people jailbreaking their iPhones but my
understanding is that people do so because of the limitations of the OS as
installed. People also mod Android phones (eg. Cyanogen mods) to provide
options which don't exist with the stock install. I've not explored this in
any detail so am of no use :)

My experience of the browser on stock iPhones is that it's pretty much
dreadful. Highly inflexible and difficult to navigate. My theory about the
rise of apps in the iOS world is that the dreadful browser on the iPhone
has meant that you really do need a separate app to make accessing
information or services an imperative.

On my Android phone I have a few different browsers (Tor, Firefox, stock,
Dolphin and Opera mini) which generally all work well, but on ocassions
each has something or does something better than one of the others. For
instance, the Blogger app is not as good as using a browser (eg. Firefox)
which has been set to 'desktop' mode. Similary, the Google+ app is quite
good but it doesn't render .gif's if someone has used them as part of a
post.

I know this is not a particulary technical reply, but I hope it helps all
the same.

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[SLUG] Ethics (Was Re: Android phone etc)

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

James wrote:
>
> Patrick
> I absolutely and strongly disagree.
>
> BTW I'm older a wiser than yesterday: fetish has sexual connetations,
fettish does not.
>
>  If I choose to use
windows then the only and remote moral issue is MS use the money I fed them
to wreck havoc on the world. Under american law that is their bounden duty.
[California introduces a moral corporation]
> To try to introduce your fettish as an ethical issue smacks of religious
fundermentalism.
>
> I think a group like us who see the one-true-way risk being sidelined
(when there are important issues at stake) if we loose track of the ball
and even start to believe that freedom is a moral issue.
> Certainly if you try to argue with the PM linux for every kid because
Windoze is immoral you are going to find your self ignored.
> While this thread drifts OT the basic issue is tremendously important for
us as a group.
>
> IMHO
> James
>

Hi James,

I'm afraid I'm not aware of any spelling of 'fetish' with two 'tt's in
either sociology or anthropology (admittedly the former is my area of study
and the latter merely a side interest).

You're right in that it has more than one meaning. It also means that
people attribute mystical or religious meaning and importance to inanimate
objects. Such as those who carry statues of Mary, or Jesus or other
religious figures and believe they have some attributes beyond the physical.

On ocassions some dictionaries may describe it as an obsession and/or
irrational attraction to an activity, but it's not a particularly clear
clear or precise efinition given that obsession/obsessive is a much better
and more accurate definition and already exists within a defined field of
study (psychology).

As for choosing to use Windows - it's an ethical decision. Any interaction
you have with the world and others in it involves an ethical element. It's
unavoidable. Thus the choice of an OS is an ethical decision. Buying it or
copying it (illegally) is an ethical choice. You are aware of some
consequence and of the views of those around you and in the broader
community.

I'd really suggest having a read. It's quite an interesting subject.

There may well be ethical issues surrounding someones fetish, but that
doesn't make it religious fundementalism. For example, the Catholic church
is replete with fetishes (various icons for example) and those who convert
to that religion have undertaken ethical considerations (are the values of
this religous group something which I support).

Finally I would agree with you that if you are to say there is "ONLY one
way" you are starting an ethical discussion and you can risk being
marginalised - but that is the risk run by all those who argued against
slavery, against corporations being able to tell you what you can do with
software, videos, music, books etc that you have bought, supporting (or
not) the super tax on mining companies, women's rights, speed limits and so
on.

It's how you deal with disagreement that marks you out as a whacko or as
reasonable - but then one man's freedom fighter...

I have no problems with saying that I've chosen a computer operating system
on ethical grounds and that it falls in line with my ethical view of the
world, my profession and my values in general.

By definition, all the decisions you make have an ethical component.

:)

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[SLUG] Re: Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks?

[elliott-brennan]

Wrote:
David Lyon

Sun, 5 Feb 2012 18:31:04 +1100
well, another viewpoint.

I bought a new notebook and it came with windows 7.

For years I've not felt so dissappointed with a computer. I just
couldn't find anything fun to do with it.

They've even removed 'debug'.. Shish-ka-bobs.

Then After I got Ubuntu 11 on, the machine is my sense of lovely. g++
was built in. Whoah.



I do know what you mean :)

For me there's a sense of ownership and control 
that happens when I install GNU/Linux on 
something. I know that's slightly exaggerated and 
I don't mind Win7. I just don't find  *it* (as in 
Windows) interesting and fun in the same way I do 
a GNU/Linux install.


Maybe it's the simple way of installing 
applications, the vast number of things which are 
free (in multiple ways) and, sometimes, as with 
Humble Bundle, the fact that I can decide how much 
I want to pay for something and feel there's a 
two-way street in progress.


I also like the fact that on occasions I've 
written to the person/s who've created a piece of 
software and got a nice, friendly response and 
sometimes a "Sure, I'll get on to that/try this" 
response. Seriously cool.


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[SLUG] Re: Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

FOSS vs proprietary software is not a fetish. It's an ethical issue.
As much as making decisions as to what sort of school (or even whether
you send your children to school), or whether you will become a
vegetarian or NOT be a vegetarian is an ethical issue.

Some people can be accused of presenting their ethical positions in an
almost religiously fundamentalist fashion and can be accused of being
dramatic or dogmatic. Usually this is more a result of their personal
presentation and inability to calmly or clearly discuss their
position. In neither case is this a reflection of the validity of
their views, more the response they receive and the reputation  that
results.

It's even possible some people do 'fetishise' the subject of
FOSS/Properietary software. I think this is the case with things like
Apple products. However, this does not make the subject any less an
ethical issue.

If you are serious in phrasing it as a 'fetish' then I'd suggest
looking up the difference.

That said, I don't know if you are serious and I could be seriously
oblivious to a subtle, dry humorous comment. In which case: My big.

Regards,

Patrick

>
> I do not think FOSS vx proprietary software is a moral issue, it is a 
> fettish. Now if others care about your fettish then kewl, and if they are 
> pragmatic in any form words of disapproval are discourteous.
> "Sadly, people these days don't care ..."
> ouch!
> James
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Re: [SLUG] Android-based smartphones - any drawbacks ?

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Tom W wrote:

> ps: SLUGers will recall I demonstrated a Huawei Deuce U8520 Dual SIM
Android smart phone at a meeting in 2011. I have now handed it back to
Allphones and asked for my money back. This phone seems to be prone to
locking up, judging by my experience and that of others. This is a shame as
it has some good features:
http://blog.tomw.net.au/2011/09/huawei-deuce-u8520-dual-sim-android.html
>
That's a pity, Tom. I've seen a couple of dual SIM phones recently (can't
recall make/models at the moment) that you may want to explore. I'll try to
remember I read about them.

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[SLUG] Re: That time of the year

[elliott-brennan]

Gerald 
Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:43:23 +1000
A very Merry Christmas and a happy new year to all Sluggers
Gerald



Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you too!

:)

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Re: [SLUG] Re: Android for "work"

[elliott-brennan]

All of which is fair enough.

I guess it depends on your definition of work. In 
general a text editor lets me do the work I'm 
interested in.


Most of the rest (eg. video editing), for me, 
requires a lot more grunt. This is not a criticism 
of Android as it's not aimed at these areas of work.


P

On 16/12/11 18:02, David Lyon wrote:

Well I noticed that it has gftp, some text-editors, maybe geany, a command line.

It can run python and compile java. Subversion it can also run I think.

So I'd say its got the potential not to be a toy.



On 12/16/11, elliott-brennan  wrote:

Is anyone on the list using Android for a
significant amount of work?

I've been considering the Asus Transformer for the
ability to have a proper keyboard and touch pad
and then use it as a tablet when that's all I want.

However, I see it as a bigger version of my phone
- with a bigger keyboard.

Connecting to another device or text-based work
(writing, blogging etc) - sure. Past that, I'm not
clear either what level of 'work' one is able to
achieve.

You could connect to your home machine and then
get it to do the hard work???

Correct me if I'm wrong :)) but unless you're
using some cloud-based server to do the hard work
(eg. using Piknic for your photo editing) I would
imagine Android wouldn't be as useful or capable
as having a proper 'nix install.

Given I only have Android on my phone, I really
can't say I've enough experience on which to base
a globally useful reply :))

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[SLUG] Re: Android for "work"

[elliott-brennan]

Is anyone on the list using Android for a 
significant amount of work?


I've been considering the Asus Transformer for the 
ability to have a proper keyboard and touch pad 
and then use it as a tablet when that's all I want.


However, I see it as a bigger version of my phone 
- with a bigger keyboard.


Connecting to another device or text-based work 
(writing, blogging etc) - sure. Past that, I'm not 
clear either what level of 'work' one is able to 
achieve.


You could connect to your home machine and then 
get it to do the hard work???


Correct me if I'm wrong :)) but unless you're 
using some cloud-based server to do the hard work 
(eg. using Piknic for your photo editing) I would 
imagine Android wouldn't be as useful or capable 
as having a proper 'nix install.


Given I only have Android on my phone, I really 
can't say I've enough experience on which to base 
a globally useful reply :))


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Re: [SLUG] Cannot create static IP address for Ubuntu 10.4

[elliott-brennan]

Thanks to everyone who replied.

It seems by way of consensus that a static ip 
assigned to the MAC is the simplest solution.


:)


Regards,

Patrick

On 11/12/11 07:51, Amos Shapira wrote:

My favourite way to achieve this is to assign a
static DHCP lease on the modem (I.e. set it by the
MAC address) that way it's also manageable for
other kinds of devices, concentrated in one place
and the dhcp server is aware of the address being
in use.



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[SLUG] Cannot create static IP address for Ubuntu 10.4

[elliott-brennan]

Hi all,

I know this comes under the 'Doh' list but...

I have a fresh Ubuntu 10.04 install. On this 
particular machine I want a static address - I'm 
going to try out OpenSim (long story for later).


This machine runs off a hub which is in turn 
connected to my modem/router.


I've edited the /etc/network/interfaces file as 
follows:


auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.0.12
netmask 255.255.255.0
gateway 192.168.0.1


but no success. The machine is simply not happy 
(I've also lost the network icon from the toolbar 
- another story) and doesn't want to connect to 
the network.


Should I just give up and assign an address to the 
machine's mac address via the router or is there 
something simple (I'm guessing so) that I'm missing.


Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Patrick



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Re: [SLUG] Seeking recommendation for music/video player

[elliott-brennan]

Just as an update on this request.

Sony has a new Z model 'Sony Walkman Z' coming out 
which runs Android.


Samsung has a new model out called the Galaxy 
Player (!) which is similar to the Galaxy SII in 
size/specs and while it has no phone capacity, it 
has WiFi and you can install a VOIP app like Fring 
or Skype.


Both seem quite interesting.

Regards,

Patrick





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[SLUG] Seeking recommendation for music/video player

[Patrick Elliott-Brennan]

Hi all,

One of my young ones has expressed an interest in an iPod like device
(music, video, apps), preferably one that allows external speakers. I know,
sound quality, blah blah, but they're young and it's for their room :)

Other than the aforementioned device, what would people recommend?

Thanks in advance,

Regards,

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[SLUG] Apologies - Belated announcement - SLUG meeting is on Tonight!

[elliott-brennan]

Dear All,

My apologies. A house of sick people for a week, 
including myself, has distracted me from making 
the announcement that tonight's meeting is on as 
per usual.


We have Samuel Marks speaking on the use of 
GPS/GNSS in precision applications such in time 
synchronisation.


We also have at least one lightening talk and then 
a discussion on presentations and activities for 
next year.


See you there.

Regards,

Patrick



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Re: [SLUG] Re: Alternatives to Gnome3

[elliott-brennan]

I know, David.

Though I like using my Galaxy SII, I don't want a general-use computer
where I have to use a touchscreen.

I love keyboards (fast typist) and I like having a screen AWAY from my
face and resting my arms and shoulders.

I've been having a look at the ASUS Transformer (present to myself if
I get a job I'm going for). I checked out others like the Galaxy Tab
10.1 and ASUS Slide (only on-line, not 'in hand') and the bluetooth
keyboards don't have touchpads, so you have to 'touch the screen'. I
don't WANT to touch the screen. It means I have to raise my hand from
the keyboard and reach out to touch the screen.

I know you can get a mouse for this, but then it's not really like a
laptop/netbook and you need the room for a mouse...blah.

On 24 November 2011 13:20, David Lyon  wrote:
> Everybody wants slippery slidy finger driven desktops these days.
>
> If it's not like that then it's not cool.
>



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[SLUG] Re: Alternatives to Gnome3

[elliott-brennan]

First to Erik. Thanks Erik. I was curious as to what you would finally
settle on.

In general terms regarding Gnome (I only install it on my children's
machines) I'm curious as to the direction it's heading in. I'm curious
enough to try out G3 purely to see what is going on (have yet to try
Unity either).

Lots of people complained about KDE4 and I stayed with 3 until there
was a 4.1 :) so I'm interested in the travails around Gnome too.

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[SLUG] Christmas Party for SLUG in December

[elliott-brennan]

Hi all,

Quick e-mail.

Can anyone who is interested in helping to 
organise our Christmas event please contact me so 
we can get some planning underway.


Thanks,

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[SLUG] SLUG Meeting Friday 25 November.

[elliott-brennan]

Mark,

'Fraid I don't know your e-mail address so I'm 
sending this to the group.


Can you please add you talk to the SLUG site so I 
can arrange the rest of the talks?


Thanks,

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Re: [SLUG] Alternatives to Gnome3

[elliott-brennan]

I think you've skipped a bit there, Glen.


Glen Turner 
Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:00:02 +1030
As a little thought experiment, here's the mouseclicks to launch a word 
processor:


>   - MacOS - 3 - "Applications | LibreOffice | 
TextDocument"


For my mother-in-law and others like her:

You've missed the bit where they have to remind 
themselves of what the application is called that 
they rarely use or they've just tried installing 
and that they have to scan the dock (depending on 
how big it is) to find an icon which may or may 
not relate to the item they're looking for).


SO:

Scan a HUGE list of items trying to remember the 
name of the application you used ages ago and 
maybe can't recall. Click on possibility, 
application starts and you find it's the wrong 
one. Try again.


>   - Windows 7 - 3 -  "Win | LibreOffice | Writer"

You've missed the bit where they have to remind 
themselves of what the application is called that 
they rarely use or they've just tried installing 
and that they have to scan the applications list 
(depending on how big it is) to find an icon or 
name which may or may not relate to the item 
they're looking for).


SO:

Scan a HUGE list of items trying to remember the 
name of the application you used ages ago and 
maybe can't recall. Click on possibility, 
application starts and you find it's the wrong 
one. Try again.


>   - GNOME3 -  4  - "Activities | Applications | 
Office | LibreOffice Writer"


Haven't used GNOME3 but in KDE you can find things 
stored under headings which relate to what the 
application does.  Very nice and easy for people 
to navigate.


Mind you, a mouse-over should be the primary 
option rather than a mouse-click.


None of this is to argue the virtues of GNOME3 as 
I've not tried it, just to be more accurate in how 
many users experience their UI.


:)


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[SLUG] Re: Alternatives to Gnome3

[elliott-brennan]

Keep looking, Erik,

I'm curious as to what you finally settle on and why.

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[SLUG] Friday SLUG Meeting

[elliott-brennan]

Hi all,

Just a quick reminder about the Friday meeting.

We may also have an update on OLPC from the 
venerable Sridhar D.


Please let us know if you are thinking of giving a 
talk  - short or long.  We're more than happy to 
help out if you're interested. Drop us a line :)


Remember, we can also arrange a remote 
presentation via video if you would like to try 
that out. Our more far flung members may wish to 
have a whack!


Additionally you can watch proceeding via the 
video feed on the SLUG home page and participate 
via chat - remember there is a 15 second delay 
between events in the meeting time and events as 
you see them :))


Come one, come all.

Regards,

Patrick

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Re: Unit - (was [SLUG] Ubuntu 11.10)

[elliott-brennan]

"Ken Foskey"
Thu, 20 Oct 2011 08:35:51 +1100


Wrote to


"Jeremy Visser"


"> Can someone run through Unity at Slug in detail as

a talk.  This new interface certainly needs a
sales pitch for me.   I switched without problems
from KDE to Gnome,  Windows XP to Windows 7 so why
do I need help to work with Unity yet it is 'better'."



A very good idea, Ken. Anyone interested - in 
presenting that is?


We could do a remote presentation if you can't 
make it to the meeting itself.


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[SLUG] OT - Anyone know of a company/business upgrading machines?

[elliott-brennan]

Hi all,

OT post, but for a good cause.

My children's (public) primary school Principal 
has asked me to teach a group of older 'gifted and 
talented' students (yes, that's what they call 
them). We'll be looking at a range of things such 
as basic web page design, image editing, some 
basic video editing etc.


We're going to look at how the machines work first 
and then I'll be showing them how to install Linux.


I'd like to get at least five machines  (P4>>) - 
more would be good!


This way the machines are not the property of the 
school, the Principal won't have a heart attack 
when we pull them apart (they have ageing Macs at 
the school) and the kids can have a better sense 
of controlling the machines without fearing 
negative consequence from the school if something 
breaks :))


If anyone knows of a company or business that is 
upgrading/updating and would be willing to donate 
(I'm happy to pick up etc).


Even if it's just the boxes, that's fine. The rest 
can be sourced bit by bit.


Many thanks for reading this far down and for any 
assistance provided.


Regards,

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Re: [SLUG] Shared library not located

[elliott-brennan]

On 18/09/11 11:55, Michael Chesterton wrote:



Patrick wrote

Just checked

/etc/ld.so.conf

The only thing it contains is the following:

include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf

Should I just add the text:

  /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf

to the file?

Do I then need to restart something so the
system reads this?




Michael


It's most likely included by default, but to
double check, run

grep local /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*
(i get this as the output)
/etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf:/usr/local/lib



So do I.

/etc/ld.so.conf.d/libc.conf:/usr/local/lib

When I run:

ldd /usr/local/lib/libgrits.so.0

I get no obvious (to me) errors:

$ ldd /usr/local/lib/libgrits.so.0
linux-vdso.so.1 =>  (0x7fff5282b000)
libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x7f22d56f8000)
libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x7f22d544b000)
libatk-1.0.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0 (0x7f22d5229000)
libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 (0x7f22d4fff000)
libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 (0x7f22d4de3000)
libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 (0x7f22d4bd5000)
libcairo.so.2 => /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2 
(0x7f22d4952000)
libpango-1.0.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0 (0x7f22d4708000)
libfreetype.so.6 => 
/usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x7f22d4481000)
libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 
(0x7f22d426a000)
libfontconfig.so.1 => 
/usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0x7f22d4035000)
libGL.so.1 => 
/usr/lib/nvidia-current/libGL.so.1 
(0x7f22d3e35000)
libGLU.so.1 => /usr/lib/libGLU.so.1 
(0x7f22d3bc4000)
libsoup-2.4.so.1 => 
/usr/lib/libsoup-2.4.so.1 (0x7f22d397)
libgio-2.0.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libgio-2.0.so.0 (0x7f22d36bc000)
libgobject-2.0.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 (0x7f22d3474000)
libgmodule-2.0.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 (0x7f22d327)
libgthread-2.0.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libgthread-2.0.so.0 (0x7f22d306a000)
librt.so.1 => /lib/librt.so.1 
(0x7f22d2e62000)
libglib-2.0.so.0 => /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 
(0x7f22d2b84000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 
(0x7f22d290)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 
(0x7f22d26e3000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 
(0x7f22d236)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 
(0x7f22d214d000)
libXrender.so.1 => 
/usr/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x7f22d1f43000)
libXinerama.so.1 => 
/usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1 (0x7f22d1d4)
libXi.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXi.so.6 
(0x7f22d1b2f000)
libXrandr.so.2 => /usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2 
(0x7f22d1926000)
libXcursor.so.1 => 
/usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1 (0x7f22d171c000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 
(0x7f22d13e5000)
libXcomposite.so.1 => 
/usr/lib/libXcomposite.so.1 (0x7f22d11e2000)
libXdamage.so.1 => 
/usr/lib/libXdamage.so.1 (0x7f22d0fdf000)
libXfixes.so.3 => /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3 
(0x7f22d0dd8000)
libpixman-1.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libpixman-1.so.0 (0x7f22d0b7f000)
libdirectfb-1.2.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libdirectfb-1.2.so.0 (0x7f22d08fb000)
libfusion-1.2.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libfusion-1.2.so.0 (0x7f22d06f1000)
libdirect-1.2.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libdirect-1.2.so.0 (0x7f22d04d8000)
libpng12.so.0 => /lib/libpng12.so.0 
(0x7f22d02b)
libxcb-render-util.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libxcb-render-util.so.0 (0x7f22d00ac000)
libxcb-render.so.0 => 
/usr/lib/libxcb-render.so.0 (0x7f22cfea3000)
libxcb.so.1 => /usr/lib/libxcb.so.1 
(0x7f22cfc86000)
libexpat.so.1 => /lib/libexpat.so.1 
(0x7f22cfa5d000)
libGLcore.so.1 => 
/usr/lib/nvidia-current/libGLcore.so.1 
(0x7f22cddc6000)
libnvidia-tls.so.1 => 
/usr/lib/nvidia-current/tls/libnvidia-tls.so.1 
(0x7f22cdcc4000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 
(0x7f22cdac)
libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 
(0x7f22cd7ab000)
libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 
(0x7f22cd594000)
libxml2.so.2 => /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 
(0x7f22cd244000)
libgnutls.so.26 => 
/usr/lib/libgnutls.so.26 (0x7f22ccfa1000)
libgcrypt.so.11 => /lib/libgcrypt.so.11 
(0x7f22ccd29000)
libpcre.so.3 => /lib/libpcre.so.3 
(0x7f22ccafb000)
libresolv.so.2 => /lib/libresolv.so.2 
(0x7f22cc8e1000)
libselinux.so.1 => /lib/libselinux.so.1 
(0x7f22cc6c3000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 
(0x7f22d5f6c000)
libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 
(0x7f22cc4be000)
libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 
(0x7f22cc2b8000)
libtasn1.so.3 => /usr/lib/libtasn1.so.3 
(0x7f22cc0a6000)
libgpg-error.so.0 => 
/lib/libgpg-error.so.0 (0x

Re: [SLUG] Shared library not located

[elliott-brennan]

Hi Michael,


On 18/09/11 10:19, Michael Chesterton wrote:



On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:10 AM, elliott-brennan

$ aweather
SNIP




I'm assuming /usr/local/lib is in ld.so.conf{,.d/*}


Just checked

/etc/ld.so.conf

The only thing it contains is the following:

include /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf

Should I just add the text:

 /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*.conf

to the file?

Do I then need to restart something so the system 
reads this?





try

ldd /usr/local/lib/libgrits.so.0



My apologies for my lack of understanding. I'm 
assuming you mean to run:


ldd /usr/local/lib/libgrits.so.0

In a shell.

Is this as root?


and do the same to aweather while you're at it.



This has me completely confused. How do I 'do the 
same' to aweather?


Thanks for the help :)

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[SLUG] Shared library not located

[elliott-brennan]

Hi all,

I'm trying to run aweather in (K)Ubuntu 10.04.

http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/proj/aweather/

As directed, I downloaded and installed Grits and RSL:

http://lug.rose-hulman.edu/proj/aweather/download

which compiled and installed fine.

I then installed aweather, which also installed 
fine with no errors reported.


However, when I try to run the application, I get 
the following error:


$ aweather
aweather: error while loading shared libraries: 
libgrits.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No 
such file or directory


If I search for the missing library:

$ locate libgrits.so.0
/usr/local/lib/libgrits.so.0

Which is itself a link to libgrits.so.0.1.2 which 
shares the same directory.


I wouldn't be surprised if the solution is simple, 
but it's a bit beyond me.


Any assistance would be most appreciated.

Regards,

Patrick

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[SLUG] Talks, talks and more talks

[elliott-brennan]

Hi all,

We have only two week before the next SLUG meeting 
so could any of those persons who have contacted 
me about speaking, please update me as to any 
progress made or assistance you require?


Many thanks,

Patrick



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[SLUG] Friday SLUG meeting and talks

[elliott-brennan]

Mea culpa, mea culpa.

Unfortunately I've been rather busy of late and 
have not got around to this part of my 
responsibilities.


Can those who are interested please sign up for a 
talk or contact me or another committee member to 
discuss.


I know there are people who offered at the last 
months meeting  - I remember you! - so please 
contact me to discuss your talk OR merely sign up 
at the SLUG website :))


See you all there!

Regards,

Patrick




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[SLUG] Re: HDMI output Video Card recommendation

[elliott-brennan]

Hi all,

My apologies for the delay in responding (school 
holidays etc - no rest for the 
wicked...parents...hmmm wondering if that's not 
tautological???)


Thanks to everyone for their input.

Regards,

Patrick

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[SLUG] Talks, Talks and more talks

[elliott-brennan]

Hi all,

I'm afraid I wasn't at the last meeting but enjoyed watching from the
comfort of my own home :))

So, we're now in the 'offering to give a talk' phase of the cycle.

I know there are people out there who haven't given a talk and there are
also people who have something very interesting to say or something
interesting to present (hardware, software etc).

So, please go to the site, click on the link to give a talk and we'll
schedule you in :))

http://www.slug.org.au/

'Tis very easy!

Regards,

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Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian

[elliott-brennan]

'tis a thing of beauty!

:)

- Subject:

Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian
David Lyon 
Date:
Fri, 1 Jul 2011 12:57:35 +1000

To:
slug@slug.org.au


Patrick,

When you say GUI ?

do you mean something like this ?

  -http://lcdproc.org/:-)

a bit of hacking and perhaps you can get a graphics lcd working..

then he can have pixels..


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[SLUG] HDMI output Video Card recommendation

[elliott-brennan]

Hi all,

I'm considering building myself another 
Myth/buntu/XBMC box to use as a media centre (not 
for recording TV).


Is anyone on the list using a video card with HDMI 
output?


If so, can you let me know the specs and how it 
performs for you?


Thanks :)

Regards,

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Re: [SLUG] KDE gui package manger in Debian

[elliott-brennan]

Steven wrote:

> Maybe I am selling him short, but his younger
> brother (only 4) will be joining the ranks soon,
> and I think he will still need a nice gui with
> pictures, so the problem remains.

Hi Steven,

There's nothing wrong with a nice GUI to do things 
with. It's attractive, easy to navigate and you 
can browse just like you do in a store! It's a 
great, fun way to look for something you may want 
to use and to find things you didn't know about.


Sometimes I just wander down the aisles of the 
GNU/Linux  'app store' (LOL) on my machine just to 
see what there is and have found some amazingly 
interesting things.


Re: the 'old dogs, new tricks' comment. Some old 
dogs never learnt tricks before becoming old :)


Regards,

Patrick


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Re: [SLUG] The 'nanny state' and freedom of choice

[elliott-brennan]

On 29/06/11 14:09, Rachel Polanskis wrote:

My definition of "nanny state" is that it is a phrase used by those who would
let a dog bite you repeatedly while ensuring it is always your right for it to 
do so.

LOL

Couldn't have said it better. Except when it's the 
States dog doing the biting...THEN there's a 
problem :)




There are people in our society who for one reason or another tend to make bad 
choices
while asserting it is their right.  When a government or organisation 
intervenes to mitigate
the situation it will often be accused of this "nannyism" by vested interests 
who would prefer
that the bad choices be allowed to continue,


Oh come on now. You've gone too far with this. 
British American Tobacco, Hardies, the mining 
companies and the nuclear power station owners 
cannot surely be considered to have vested interests.


The usage of the phrase recently by right wing lobby groups is both effective 
and
wrong.   They assert that  is the right of the 
individual, but
the concern is not for the individual, but for the continuation of practices 
that ensure
that the lobby group's masters retain their revenue stream/control over the 
individual/ideological process or some other outcome usually aimed at 
strengthening the behaviour.


Jeez Louise, now your sounding like a first 
year sociology student - and I ought to know!


;)


> When I hear the phrase "nanny state", I shudder and then look at who is 
saying it.
Usually their background will indicate a far less savoury connection that is 
not at all
interested in your rights.

rachel



Well, there goes my  donation to the mining 
companies to help them fight against that nasty 
tax. I mean, really, how can we possibly not help 
them? This tax will only ensure that money 
resulting from the sale of community assets (stuff 
in the ground) will be returned to the community 
rather than be spent by some oligarch or 
bazzillionaire on a new Ferrari, Lear Jet or their 
forty fifth house.


What an outrageous thing to do to people like 
Gina-Rinhehart-soon-to-be-the-worlds-richest-person!


http://blogs.forbes.com/clareoconnor/2011/06/28/this-woman-may-soon-be-richer-than-carlos-slim-and-bill-gates/

How will she survive?

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Re: [SLUG] The 'nanny state' and freedom of choice

[elliott-brennan]

There are multiple examples of these instances.

As Nick said, the State has an obligation to all 
it's citizens. If parents are not acting 
responsibly and in the child's best interests then 
they are negating their responsibilities and thus 
the State needs to intervene.


Unless, of course, the State is Theocratic or 
otherwise beholden to something other than it's 
citizens.


In one instance a family refused to allow their 
child to have a tumour removed from this leg. The 
hospital called in child protection. It took two 
days for the parents to change their minds and 
accept that maybe God was suggesting they make a 
decision in their child's best interests and that 
THIS was the test, rather than seeing whether the 
tumour would:


a. shorten the growth of his leg (he wanted to 
play soccer professionally, so that wouldn't help)

b. make the removal of his leg necessary (see a.)
c. kill him (see a.)

I was one of the persons who helped convince them 
that there was the possibility of a test 'other' 
than the initial one they perceived, thus 
obviating the need for a court order.


Nice people. Nice boy. Good outcome...but it was 
driven by a focus on his needs and potential.


Patrick



Nick Andrew 
Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:50:57 +1000

This is an easy one. There is absolutely no evidence that the JW's
notions about blood transfusions are in any way true, however there is
well established evidence that death will occur in certain situations
when a blood transfusion is refused. Children are not the property of
their parents, and it is not a parent's prerogative to put a child's life
at risk for their illogical and unevidenced beliefs. Young children are
not competent to make their own decision on such matters; therefore it
is the responsibility of the state in its role to protect the general
well-being of its citizens, to step in and protect the child from its
own parents.

This is established law. NSW baby Gloria Thomas died in agony from an easily
treated eczema condition as her parents treated her using homeopathy
against doctors' advice. Parents Thomas Sam and Manju Sam have been
jailed for manslaughter by gross criminal negligence.

In USA baby Alayna Wyland suffered an abnormal growth around her left
eye which the parents tried to treat with prayer - and nothing else.
The parents have now been convicted of felony criminal mistreatment.

There may be many ways in which AU is a nanny state; you chose a
particularly poor example to rest your case.

Nick.

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Re: [SLUG] The 'nanny state' and freedom of choice

[elliott-brennan]

Re: [SLUG] The 'nanny state' and freedom of choice
david 
Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:05:32 +1000


Some years ago in NSW, children of Jehovah's
Witnesses were denied blood transfusions by their
parents because of religious beliefs. The state
introduced legislation and stepped in to make such
children wards of the state if their lives were at
risk.

What right has the state to deny to a child
eternity in the presence of the Lord for the sake
of a few years of earthly life?



I'm afraid the first principle of the argument is 
the problem.


Let's start with "What right does a parent have to 
enforce something upon a child which does nothing 
to benefit them emotionally, physically or 
intellectually?"


The problem is the 'parents have rights' bit.

It is a 'responsibility'. This changes the focus 
to: Do they have evidence of their claims. If not, 
then their actions are suspect.



Mostly whoever is in charge tries to impose their
belief system and make it the current paradigm -
whether it's religious, commercial, political or
philosophical. I can't say I can see much logic
going on, unless it's a kind of stumbling,
long-term Darwinian logic.


The main argument in child protection is far from 
a general "I don't like it" type of approach. It 
is far more complex and backed by a significant 
amount of evidence.


I'd agree there are issues of 'ethics' in their 
and that some of it is historico-culturally 
specific. The latter various from country to 
country, with some enforcing actions on children 
which have been shown to have no benefit once one 
considers that it is merely there as a means of 
controlling one group of people (FGM - female 
genital mutilation is one example).


As for the rest of public policy, well there 
generally tends to be an argument between those 
with lots of experience and qualifications and 
those without but with big mouths and media 
empires...and the rest in between :))


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Re: [SLUG] Is Linux Dead a worthy Debate for a

[elliott-brennan]

Hi David,

I don't think I could describe it any better :)


Re: [SLUG] Is Linux Dead a worthy Debate for a
David Lyon 
Fri, 24 Jun 2011 08:13:28 +1000





Hi Patrick,

You know if everybody brought their teenage children (with their android
phones)
they'd all be sitting there in silence (apart from the sound of electronic
bing and ding)
and the whole thing could be done as a facebook chat..

Occassionaly you'd see changes in face expression..

David


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Re: [SLUG] Kogan Agora Laptop Better with Classic Interface and Flash Disk

[elliott-brennan]

Hi Tom,

Interesting review and one worth reading.

I had been looking at the Kogan books out of 
interest (I'm not in the market for a new machine 
but am always curious :))


It's a pity you're so far from Sydney otherwise we 
could have got you to bring it in :)


Regards,

Patrick


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Re: [SLUG] Is Linux Dead a worthy Debate for a SLUG meeting?

[elliott-brennan]

I'm not sure, Marghanita.

It would be really interesting if it were by way 
of a debate with standing rules etc and people 
chosen to argue a position regardless of their 
personal view.


If it were merely a 'discussion' then I just see 
it as feeding the trolls and looking silly for 
reacting to them :)


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[SLUG] Re: Article, Linux, APC.

[elliott-brennan]

Where to start??

I have to agree with Erik De here (thanks for 
clarifying the real ground on which the argument 
stands, Erik.) and will extend the argument too.


This article reminds me that there are 'Alan 
Jones' types all around the world and in all kinds 
of media and it generally cheapens the field.


They take something, extract a small part and then 
blow it out of proportion, decontexualise it, hide 
the history and political elements to their claims 
and all along position themselves as the voice of 
reason and balance. Jones is a classic example of 
this type of "journalism" and this article appears 
to be a classic example of that type of 
"journalism" as well.


For a great many people, GNU/Linux is an 
expression of a particular form of ethics. If you 
fail to generally accept those ethics then it's no 
surprise that swapping backwards and forwards 
between OSs would be seen as a reasonable thing to do.


I can't say that I adhere to the same level of 
commitment that RMS has, but I at least aim in the 
same direction.


To summarise my machine - it all works brilliantly 
well for multi-media editing (of a not 
particularly simple level) and I can hunt around 
for the best hardware at the best prices.


It would appear to me that if you GNU/Linux fits 
your ethical position on the world then OSs which 
do not meet the same ethical standards would not 
be something you would consider for the great 
majority (if any) of your needs.


As someone who considers the general GNU/Linux 
ethical argument (as espoused by RMS) I'm not in a 
position to merely swap when the whim takes me as 
it would mean going counter to an ethical position 
I accept as being a part of my own.


Speaking personally, I'd rather contribute to an 
OS which has a community-orientation (not which 
has a *community* which is kept like serfs), which 
is made available to the world as freely as 
possible and which attempts to maintain my freedom 
of choice, access, use and ownership.


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[SLUG] Re: Subscription-based netfiltering (parentally speaking)

[elliott-brennan]

Great question KL.

As I'm sure you're already away, any form of 
protection of one's children and teenagers 
requires a combination of approaches.


Child protection research says the same thing - 
there is no *one* answer. It requires a number of 
elements to be implemented.


Conroy's general filter was to protect adults from 
themselves as much as to protect children, which 
in effect was to say that adults should be treated 
as children - the very reason I didn't agree with 
it. It was an 'all in' approach which I think we 
all agree wouldn't work.


I would argue that protecting children in the 
manner you asked requires a multi-layered approach 
and there is nothing to say that filters, 
passwords etc, are pointless in this context. They 
are not the *only* element, but I don't recall you 
saying that anyway.


As has been pointed out by others, you need to be 
aware of the possible consequences when using any 
approach. In this case, filtering. You also need 
to be aware, as has also been pointed out, that 
your children may have the skill, now or in the 
future, to bypass the 'protection' you implement. 
When this occurs I'd suggest you need to plan for 
what you think is the most effective response to 
avoid a knee-jerk reaction.


In my case I have machines for my children which 
can be easily seen *and* they have basic filtering 
*and* I speak to them about what I want them to 
focus on. I also explain to them about my concerns 
if they do 'wander' somewhere.


Their e-mail is all filtered to my address 
(incoming/outgoing).  I only read it if it's 
to/from someone I don't know.  When they're older 
I'll stop doing this.


I also sometimes have to 'unblock' sites  
which is no big deal. My children know to ask and 
that they won't be in trouble if it's something I 
don't want them to see.


I would also argue that the mechanisms one uses 
need to change as the children become older, more 
skilled, more curious and as they push boundaries 
more.


From our perspective we tend to focus on parental 
responsibilities (I've always argued against the 
notion of 'rights' for parents).


Consequently, none of this is perfect but it's the 
best we've come up with that fits with our view of 
our responsibilities as parents.


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[SLUG] NZ'ers defeat MS in XML patent application

[elliott-brennan]

http://nzoss.org.nz/content/nzoss-wins-patent-opposition

From the article:

"The NZOSS is pleased to announce that its 
opposition to New Zealand patent application 
536149, filed by Microsoft in relation to XML word 
processing documents has been successful. 
Yesterday we were informed by IPONZ that Microsoft 
has withdrawn their application."


Regards,

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[SLUG] This months SLUG talks

[elliott-brennan]

Hi all,

Okay, it's time for you to dust of your ideas and 
submit them for a lightning or longer, talk at 
this months meeting.


Anyone with an idea is welcome. If you're not 
certain or just want to ask some questions, please 
contact me or anyone else on the c'tee.


If you want to just add yourself to the list on 
the site, be our guest and try out the new 
interface - best thing since sliced bread :)


I know there are people who came to the last 
meeting (and the one before) who were curious 
about giving a talk, so please, have a go!!



Regards,

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[SLUG] Re: Email Client

[elliott-brennan]

I'd second Thunderbird :))

I know the 'reply list' function isn't great when, 
as Jam said, you have digest mail list to reply to.


However (and this is strange but works well) in 
version 2 (something) and the current version 3, 
if you highlight the e-mail text you want to 
respond to and the click on 'reply list' or just 
'reply' it will present you with a reply e-mail 
window containing the selected text complete with 
our little '>' friends starting on each line and 
the text colour changed (if that's your bag).


Works a treat.

Additionally, while you can use Lightning to 
access and synch calendars, it's not available for 
version 3. Instead you can install a 'direct to 
google calendar' plug in which provides you 
read/write access to your google calendar directly 
from Thunderbird (it opens a tab window). This is 
not accessible without 'net access mind you, which 
is a limitation if you travel a lot and don't have 
'net access all the time.


Regards,

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Re: [SLUG] Choice of OS's

[elliott-brennan]

Andrew Hurley 
Thu, 9 Jun 2011 17:22:56 +1000

Hi, haven't used a linux box in many a years and am tossing up to run either
OpenSUSE 11.4 or CentOS 5.6 due to specific software requirements. If you
had to choice an OS which one would it be?

Since I'm gonna be a hack for sometime could someone point me in the
direction of a good software(linux)/hardware shop in Sydney, preferably on
the Northside.

Cheers

Andrew



Hi Andrew,

I'd second Ubuntu, Kubuntu or Fedora, though I'd 
suggest version 10.04 (K)Ubuntu. 10.04  is a long 
term support (LTS) version and so you can hold 
onto it (security updates etc) for longer than the 
intervening versions.


I too am curious as to the 'specific software 
requirements' bit :)) Sounds lot like 'certain 
circumstances' or 'colourful racing identity' or 
'School for Specific Purposes'.


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[SLUG] Re: ubuntu 9.04 to 10.04 upgrade

[elliott-brennan]

I pretty much support the 'clean install' brigade :)

I generally move from LTS (K/Ubuntu) to LTS and 
have not tried a dist-upgrade in ages, though I 
don't doubt some people have no trouble.


James: PICNIC (Problem exists in chair, not computer)

LOL

I'm adding it to my other fav:

PEBKAC (Problem exists between keyboard and chair)

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Re: [SLUG] Experimental Live video streaming

[elliott-brennan]

Hi John and Hannah,

Please let us know what it's like on the 'other 
end' of the process :))


We're hoping to create greater opportunities for 
people to participate through watching the video 
streams and commenting/asking questions via IRC or 
Twitter.


We're also trying to increase general interest by 
having a greater range of subjects presented at 
each night, some topics spread out over a few 
meetings and then follow-ups on topics, a la Rob 
Smit's presentations on IPV6.


Added to this, we want to encourage more people to 
present so we can increase the sense of community 
participation and ownership of the LUG.


We're also hoping to have more remote video 
conferencing  presentations similar to Jeff 
Waugh's earlier in the year.


Tim A. and James P. are doing a huge amount of 
work to make this all come together and deserve an 
enormous amount of praise for their efforts.


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Re: [SLUG] Experimental Live video streaming from
Jon and Hannah 
Thu, 26 May 2011 19:48:19 +1000



Tim,

This is an awesome idea! I've wanted to go to a Slug meeting for ages now, but
have never had the time! I should be able to get to computer though!

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[SLUG] Re: Ubunchu magazine :)

[elliott-brennan]

Hi Jamie,

How on earth did you come across that mag?

Regards,

Patrick

On 20 May 2011 12:00,   wrote:

>   1. New ubuntu user documentation (Jamie Wilkinson)

> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Jamie Wilkinson 
> To: SLUG 
> Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 09:36:11 +1000
> Subject: [SLUG] New ubuntu user documentation
> For your consideration: http://divajutta.com/doctormo/ubunchu/c1.html
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[SLUG] Friday 27 SLUG talks

[elliott-brennan]

Hi All,

A gentle reminder that there are spaces still for lightning talks and
general talks.

If you have any questions about giving a talk, please contact me or any of
the other c'tee members. We're very approachable :) and giving a talk can be
a great experience.

Remember: We are all happy to help out should any assistance be required.

BTW I'll be giving a talk about the Kogan e-ink e-reader and the Calibre
app.


Regards,

Patrick








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[SLUG] REMINDER: SLUG monthly meeting: 29 April 2011

[elliott-brennan]

Hi All,

It's THAT Friday again!

The SLUG meeting is on this Friday 26 April 2011.


Location
Google Sydney - 48 Pirrama Road, Pyrmont

Summary
  * Date: Friday 29 April 2010
  * Start time: Arrive at 6pm for a 6:30pm start
  * Format: Lightning talks
  * == RSVP at http://slug.eventbrite.com ==

 Details 

1. Samuel Marks will be presenting a longer talk 
on fooIDE.


2. Lightning talks will include Tim's Tip, Patrick 
Picks and Miklos will be speaking about Chrome and 
Chromium OS AND bringing in a Cr48 Laptop with 
ChromeOS and a Lenovo laptop ChromiumOS for 
testdrive as well as a bootable USB key for other 
people to test it out


We still have room for more Lightning talks.

Remember:

*They don't have to be long
*They can be something about which YOU are 
interested - most likely other people will be too!
*You do not have to be a world expert on the 
subject, though you may surprise yourself that you 
are the ONLY person in the room that knows 
anything about which you are talking :)


Please contact me if you're interested :)


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[SLUG] Speakers, speakers, Lightning speakers :) for 29 April SLUG meeting

[elliott-brennan]

Hi all,

Apologies for the late notice - school holidays, 
holidays away and kids take up so much 
time :)


There are some people who have expressed an 
interest in presenting a lightning talk, so can 
you please contact me with the details.


If you are curious but not certain, contact me and 
we can speak on the phone or by mail. It may seem 
like a huge undertaking the first time out but I 
can guarantee you will enjoy the experience and 
will feel encouraged to do another.


Remember that while some people may know about the 
subject on which you present, there will be a 
great many more who do not.  Furthermore no-one is 
an expert on, nor knows everything about, all 
subjects and you may well be 'the one in the know' :)


You may also have an interesting take on a subject 
which no-one has previously considered.


The talk does not have to be on anything other 
than something about which you have an interest 
and can be from either a technical or user 
perspective or a combination of both.


Come one, come all!

Regards,

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Re: [SLUG] Linux for seniors?

[elliott-brennan]

Ooopsie.

I think my joke fell flat there, James.

I meant 'installing Linux in my mother' as in 
"Installing Linux in a Badger" hence the 'won't 
sit still long enough' allusion.


:))

Regards,

Patrick


http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml
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Re: [SLUG] Capturing high school graduates for Linux?

[elliott-brennan]

Hi James,


Re: [SLUG] Capturing high school graduates for Linux?
James 
Fri, 11 Mar 2011 09:43:07 +0800




>

Patrick
your response was kind and graceous


I try!

I was hazarding a guess that Mike was 15-16 as he 
said he was in year 10 and I didn't want his 
parents to think that some strange man was 
attempting to lure him out alone late at night to 
some bizarre location suspiciously called "SLUG".


:)))


and I have no doubt whatsoever that it

carried no slight.


I try!



If Mike is a 17yo vs say a 12yo then it is condescending :-)


You're right in that if I thought he was 17-18, 
then I would have merely suggested her consider 
coming to one of the meetings...the hazards of 
e-mail and the Internet: no-one knows if you're a 



It's fascinating what a year or two can mean to 
ones personal view of not/okay.


Footnote 1: I guess Mike can let us know whether 
he can come alone or (were he my son/daughter) 
will have to come with an adult :))


Mike??

Footnote 2: Many years in child protection have 
cruelled my chance of a naive and fancy-free view 
of the world, others and others perception of me.


:(

Patrick



James


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Re: Re: [SLUG] Linux for seniors?

[elliott-brennan]

Hey James,

How did you manage this? My mother won't let me 
install GNU/Linux in her. I've tried a few times, 
but she won't sit still long enough for me to get 
either a Live CD or USB flash drive inserted. I've 
tried rebooting first to get to the BIOS but she 
gets rather upset about the idea.


Is there a web-page or other source with 
instructions that would help?


Maybe we could have an install-on-a-relo day one 
weekend


;)

Regards,

Patrick


James 
Sat, 5 Mar 2011 18:11:28 +0800


SNIPPO

My far-away-AH of a brother runs my 85yo mother on KDE. She struggles lots,
not finding icons in the task bar, not being able to see ...

SNIPPEY

I run my 70yo father-in-law on straight ubuntu. The nightmare of virus-

SNIPPETTY

I run the 90yo mother of a mate on 10.04 remix and I never hear from her

SNIP

James


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Re: [SLUG] Capturing high school graduates for Linux?

[elliott-brennan]

Hi Mike,


Mike Lx 
Tue, 8 Mar 2011 19:28:12 +1100



Hi, I usually just lurk here,


Thanks for 'de-cloaking' :))



Basically, these things are a dead end. For educational purposes, they fail
miserably mostly because they are extremely slow, clumsy to use and
generally the only use these get are by naiive teachers and by lazy teachers
who would rather have most of a class playing crappy Flash games on crappy
laptops instead of teaching a class.


One of my concerns when my children reach your age.


PS I'm a complete noob to mailing lists so I'm probably sending this wrong,
sorry.


Nope. Perfectly fine and thanks for giving us your 
first hand view. It's similar to that I've heard 
from friends who's own children have received 
these machines.


If you ever get the chance, you should see if one 
of your parents (or another relative/friend) can 
bring you along to a SLUG meeting.



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[SLUG] Re: Linux for seniors?

[elliott-brennan]

Hi Sonia,

At first, I was wondering how you had aged so 
quickly, then I read the rest of the e-mail :))


The Ubuntu NBR is quite good. I had it on an Acer 
netbook I used to own. Big icons, easy to navigate.


I thought I might mention something else too. My 
step-father was a manager for the Spastic Society 
in the UK. He created a mouse mat for people who 
had difficulty controlling the mouse (excessive 
movement of the hands, tremors etc).


He cut a hole in the middle of the mouse mat and 
put the mouse IN the hole. The extra friction 
prevented a lot of inadvertent movement of the 
mouse and allowed better control the mouse. I 
mention this only in the event that hand tremors 
(common among the elderly) are a problem for your 
relative.


Regards,

Patrick



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Re: [SLUG] [Offer] Python Tutorials

[elliott-brennan]

[SLUG] [Offer] Python Tutorials
Samuel Marks 
Thu, 3 Mar 2011 03:47:43 +1100

SNIPPETY SNIP

I'm doing a Web Technology unit where we'll be learning Python. After many

SNIP

A Gentle Introduction to Programming Using Python
on iTunes U


How does one download iTunes stuff on GNU/Linux???

Just curious.

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[SLUG] If we 'delete' SLUG as it stands:

[elliott-brennan]

...does this mean that we will keep the same 
mailing list or will we have to merge ours with LA?


James?

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[SLUG] Lightning talks for this Friday

[elliott-brennan]

Okay, okay.

Roll up, roll up, for the great Lightning Talk 
Time for this Friday's SLUG meeting.


Now I won't name anyone right now, but you know 
who I'm talking about (I took you name and talks 
subject last meeting).


Please ensure you're preparing your talk.

For those who I haven't yet spoken to 
individually, remember: you do not have to be 
Linus Torvald or RMS to give a Lightning Talk. You 
don't even have to have something that NONE of us 
have heard about or use. You merely have to have 
an interest in something - there's a very good 
chance that most of us don't know about the very 
thing you do.


Please, please, please, if you have any questions 
or concerns, contact the committee. We are more 
than happy to help you prepare and give your talk. 
You can contact me directly if you don't want to 
send a general e-mail to the committee. I'm more 
than happy to help out.


EVERYONE is welcome :))

Except zombies and vampires. I don't like zombies 
and vampires...well most vampires. I definitely 
don't like zombies. I like Angel. Spike was pretty 
good too...but I digress.


Regards,

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[SLUG] Doco

[elliott-brennan]

Bugger. It was too late when I noticed the time.

Is there somewhere one can download it from?

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Subject:
[SLUG] OLPC Australia documentary on Channel 7,
Sunday at 11am
From:
Sridhar Dhanapalan 
Date:
Fri, 3 Dec 2010 19:51:00 +1100

To:
slug 


Tune in to Channel 7 this Sunday, 5 December, for a documentary about
One Laptop per Child Australia and our work in far north Queensland.

We have close to 5000 XO laptops deployed already, with an aim to roll
out 400,000 (with a comprehensive educational and support programme)
by 2014. All run Linux (Fedora-based) and Free Software.

Also, you can text the word LAPTOP to 044 SUPPORT (0447 877 678) to
show your support for our mission. For ever 100 received, Telstra will
donate an XO to a child in remote Australia. You can send as many
texts as you want. You can also show your support at
http://www.ideasforgood.com.au/  (one per IP address per day).

Please spread the word!


For more info:
http://www.dhanapalan.com/blog/2010/12/03/olpc-australia-documentary-on-the-teevee/
http://www.laptop.org.au/one-dream
http://www.ideasforgood.com.au/
http://www.yourtv.com.au/guide/event.aspx?program_id=260953&event_id=36449343®ion_id=73


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Re: [SLUG] So slow...

[elliott-brennan]

On 25/11/10 12:00, slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote:


mark adrian bell  Wed,
24 Nov 2010 09:19:42 -0800 (PST)

I just tried out Internet Explorer on my new
Windows 7 netbook and it's slower than trying
to make molasses flow up-hill, in the Siberian
capital of Novosibirsk, on January first, in
the middle of the deepest, darkest, snow storm
of the winter. 


Maybe you should try it on January 2nd...could be
slightly warmer and you'd get a better performance ;)


Patrick

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[SLUG] Message for Roman (VERY OFF TOPIC)

[elliott-brennan]

Sorry all, but I can't find his e-mail address!

:)

Roman, can you e-mail me back? I thought I had your correct e-mail
address but it would appear not.

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[SLUG] Re: An apt-get question

[elliott-brennan]

sudo apt-get install checkinstall

I'm with Jeremy here. Checkinstall is a great application and makes
working with non-repo packages easier to work with.

Regards,

Patrick

> From: Jeremy Visser 
> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 23:52:24 +1100

> That said, you can do what I do and use a neat little utility called
> "checkinstall" in place of the "make install" step.
>
> Checkinstall calls "make install" in the background, and watches the
> files that get installed. It then creates a package with those files,
> which makes it super easy to uninstall later on.
>
> Much better than manually uninstalling the app if they couldn't be
> bothered enough to provide a "make uninstall" target.

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Re:[SLUG] Flashplayer 10

[elliott-brennan]

Hi Malcolm,

With little to know experience with Slackware :)) 
but with kids who want to see the latest Flash 
thingies:


I tend towards the following:

1. run 'locate libflashplayer.so' in a terminal so 
you can find where the libflashplayer.so (file/s) 
are currently located.

2. Keep a record of these locations.
3. Make a new directory where you have your 
plugins for Firefox (call it 'old.flash' or 
something similar)
4. Move your old libflashplayer.so file into the 
new folder.
5. Copy your new libflashplayer.so into the folder 
where your old libflashplayer.so file was and 
restart Firefox.


All should work (usually does).

If not, repeat the procedure, replacing the other 
libflashplayer.so files (this isn't usually 
necessary).


In other words :) the 'destructions' you have are 
pretty much accurate. I tend to keep a copy of the 
one I'm replacing just in case it doesn't go to plan!


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On 18/10/10 12:00, slug-requ...@slug.org.au wrote:

Malcolm Johnston 
Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:37:15 +1000
it appears to be the case (from > instructions such as those at the Abobe site) 
that I just need to
replace:

/usr/lib/firefox-1.5.0.7/plugins/libflashplayer.so

with the more recent ``flashplayer.so'', which is the entire contents
of the tar zip file.  Is that the case?







Cheers,
Dr Malcolm Johnston


>Apologies for being a fossil, but it> comes with 
age and an tendency to procrastination.>


If you're older than me you should come to the 
SLUG meetings and we can charge admission :))

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