Re: [RCSE] Highlight HLG and Highlight SLG (DLG) setup?
Justin For info where did you buy it from Regards Chris - Original Message - From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Justin Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Highlight HLG and Highlight SLG (DLG) setup? Hi Justin, If you can not get any anyone else, I can translate. Send me the instruction or a pdf file. Peter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Sagitta XC
I campaigned a couple of these (with some success!) back in the same era as Tom Kallevang. The last thing you want to do is lighten it up - the Sag-XC was designed with the max surface area allowed by the FAI definition for a model airplane. Even when ballasted to the max allowable 11 lbs (5 Kg), the wing loading is still rather low for a plane this size (things get dicey if wind over 15mph). Some folks even reduced the span a couple of rib bays to improve this. Fully sheeting at least the inboard wing panels is a real good idea, in stock form, flutter redline very easy to exceed, as many sadly found out (don't even think of a shallow dive without opening spoilers, and then take it real easy!). If you build the stock fuselage, at least make the fixed fin dorsal shape a straight line rather than the concave curve on the plans. One of mine had this - it adds enuf fin area to get rid of much of the dutch roll (waddle) tendency - flew much better than the other one. The Sealy fuse with longer tail moment had a similar effect and also improved pitch stability. I found the wing spars/joiners quite adequate, flex clearly telegraphed when to ease up on line tension, even did a mild zoom to get some energy out of the line stretch. If you do reinforce with carbon, remember you have to use enuf to carry the whole load, the wood will just be along for the ride (and provide some buckling resistance). Since you're saving $ by not buying an SB-XC, do try and find the scratch for a thermal sniffer (telemetering audio variometer) as was last sold by Ace RC back when, or one of the modern (Picalario, Skymelody) variant($!). When you're way up/out, you really need this to overcome your lack of visibility of what the airplane is doing. You don't need the TEK (total energy compensation) feature - the uncompensated vario will tell you if you if you have gotten into unintended pitch oscillations or a dive before you can see such, very useful information! (which is masked by TEK). Once you've corrected to smooth flight, the vario will accurately tell you whether you're in lift or sink. The Sag-XC (aka lumbering lumber!) is indeed a good choice for Level IV V tasks (bigger DOES fly better!). With some practice and respect for its limits, it's capable of very remarkable performance. I have many good memories of scratching for 45min - 1 hr trying to get high enuf to go on course, VERY low altitude "saves" and pushing (well, breaking!) the speed limit in the chase car on a downwind leg with the sniffer screaming in my ear! Good luck with you're build and Good Lift! Skip Schow, LSF 166 (V #46)
Re: [RCSE] Highlight HLG and Highlight SLG (DLG) setup?
http://www.frankenmodellbau.de/ He gave me a nice price for the combo of the Highlight SLG and Highlight Standard, the postage to the UK was not too bad and there is no import duty to pay from within the EU. The only grumble I have is the lack of any hardware with the kits and the fact that the fuselage of the Highlight Std has a mount for the V-Tail which will substantially weaken the joint with the conventional tailplane unless I decide to beef it up but I don't want to add weight to the tail end! :) Justin. On 5/26/05, Chris Veitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Justin For info where did you buy it from Regards Chris - Original Message - From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Justin Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Highlight HLG and Highlight SLG (DLG) setup? Hi Justin, If you can not get any anyone else, I can translate. Send me the instruction or a pdf file. Peter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Highlight HLG and Highlight SLG (DLG) setup?
I'm quite shocked actually, RCSE used to be very very busy, it seems a bit dead now! On 5/26/05, Justin Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.frankenmodellbau.de/ He gave me a nice price for the combo of the Highlight SLG and Highlight Standard, the postage to the UK was not too bad and there is no import duty to pay from within the EU. The only grumble I have is the lack of any hardware with the kits and the fact that the fuselage of the Highlight Std has a mount for the V-Tail which will substantially weaken the joint with the conventional tailplane unless I decide to beef it up but I don't want to add weight to the tail end! :) Justin. On 5/26/05, Chris Veitch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Justin For info where did you buy it from Regards Chris - Original Message - From: Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Justin Fielding [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Highlight HLG and Highlight SLG (DLG) setup? Hi Justin, If you can not get any anyone else, I can translate. Send me the instruction or a pdf file. Peter RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- Many Thanks, Justin Fielding. We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them. Albert Einstein RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests
Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He lands. Checks his (synthesizer) module. You guessed it, he WAS on 39 and NOT 43. Remember that discussion we had back in early April about the pitfalls of synthesized radios? I wrote this in part: With synthesized transmitters and receivers, it's very easy for flyers to forget what channel they're on and to take a pin for one channel while actually using another. That prompted an immediate private mail from Gordy titled, The sky ain't. Here's an excerpt: Mike, Be a leader, by being constuctive. No one is served by the kind of post you just put out. I am sure you believe that ONLY you could have thought all that chicken little stuff up, not the other guys who have managed to have homes, jobs, even to figure out how to use radios. If you want to keep some personal credibitly, let someone else post the negative 'truths'... That email ultimately resulted in me kill-filing Gordy, but I can't help wondering what he thinks about those synthesizer modules now. He'll probably forget all about that and sing the praises of the frequency checker instead. Mike -- _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests
Mike, Even thought there are issues with the proper use of synthesized modules, it is coming and I am waiting for the JR unit as soon as it on the market. I am sure that there were guys who thought changing crystals around was an issue too, but that is norm and so will synthesized in a few years. I realize that you have to be smarter than the technology you use, and some folks do not qualify. Marc Interesting side note, major RC company got a very sophisticated frequency analyzer and took it to a major big plane rally. The thing that scared them was the number of guys who did not have a clue what frequency they were actually on. Again, smarter than the technology you use... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He lands. Checks his (synthesizer) module. You guessed it, he WAS on 39 and NOT 43. Remember that discussion we had back in early April about the pitfalls of synthesized radios? I wrote this in part: With synthesized transmitters and receivers, it's very easy for flyers to forget what channel they're on and to take a pin for one channel while actually using another. That prompted an immediate private mail from Gordy titled, The sky ain't. Here's an excerpt: Mike, Be a leader, by being constuctive. No one is served by the kind of post you just put out. I am sure you believe that ONLY you could have thought all that chicken little stuff up, not the other guys who have managed to have homes, jobs, even to figure out how to use radios. If you want to keep some personal credibitly, let someone else post the negative 'truths'... That email ultimately resulted in me kill-filing Gordy, but I can't help wondering what he thinks about those synthesizer modules now. He'll probably forget all about that and sing the praises of the frequency checker instead. Mike -- _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests
Far too many fliers are too stupid to be trusted with a dial-a-crash radio. They aren't even smart enough to know what frequency they are on without a synthesizer. I learned a lot about the average Sunday flier the year I helped run the AMA frequency checker booth at the last Atlanta trade show about 10 years ago. Some had no idea what frequency they were on until they looked at the crystal or the module. One transmitter passed the test but on a different channel than shown on the RF module label.. He had just got a good bargain on a used transmitter at the show. Wonder why? Chuck Anderson At 07:55 AM 5/26/2005, you wrote: Mike, Even thought there are issues with the proper use of synthesized modules, it is coming and I am waiting for the JR unit as soon as it on the market. I am sure that there were guys who thought changing crystals around was an issue too, but that is norm and so will synthesized in a few years. I realize that you have to be smarter than the technology you use, and some folks do not qualify. Marc Interesting side note, major RC company got a very sophisticated frequency analyzer and took it to a major big plane rally. The thing that scared them was the number of guys who did not have a clue what frequency they were actually on. Again, smarter than the technology you use... - Original Message - RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He lands. Checks his (synthesizer) module. You guessed it, he WAS on 39 and NOT 43. I NEVER said it was a synthesized module. In fact, it was NOT. He had changed modules and forgot he had done it. In fact he had flown like this twice before. You do NOT need a synthesized module to do something stupid. WEM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests
Chuck Anderson wrote: Far too many fliers are too stupid to be trusted with a dial-a-crash radio. They aren't even smart enough to know what frequency they are on without a synthesizer. As was the case in the incident I outlined. It was NOT a synthesized module. It was a regular old module. He changed channels and forgot he had done it. What I like about my synthesized radio (14MZ) is that it does not transmit until I tell it to. Gives me a chance to look at the channel and confirm it before it starts transmitting. Not the case with the guy with the wrong hardwired module in his radio. WEM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] More on the Freq Checker? from Miami Mike..(go to the end to find new wing tape)
From Miamimike "That prompted an immediate private mail from Gordy ,Here's an excerpt" Okay guys, We all share off line chat, its off line because 'we' decided who our words were for. From the above public posting by Miamamike you can see by his actions whether or not he can be trusted with your words. Take a look at the topic of the clip of my offline private post to him. It was advice to a new poster to the RCSE about losing trust and credibility. He mentions how my private post to him "ultimately resulted in me kill-filing Gordy", and I'm sorry to hear that, because it too hard to make new friends and I so I never want to lose even one. Reread my words to him and you'll find advice about maintaining trust, being constructive... Its interesting how he managed to turn athread titleld Frequency Checker into a warning about about medoes that imply I an a freq checker? :-) Mike the RCSE isn't about Gordysoar, its about soaring, its about having fun sharing ideas, good deals, fun days, and fun days spent with soaring friends, SOARING in general. A place to make new friends in the hobby. 99.9% of us get on line at the end of the day to relax and be cheered and engaged with content about our hobby and friends. Sorry if this is all that well written, I am witting it while making up a new wing wire harness for my oldest pike and the motel room shop doesn't have one of those aligator clip extra hand things to hold the wires while soldering:-) Below are the damning words I sent him privately, basically stating two universal truths likely to be found inthe HitchHikers Guide to the Galaxy... "Don't Panic" and "Don't worry, Be happy" :-).(by the way the context was that synth modules have been around for years without the hobby going to hell in a hand basket, that these mysterious dumbmasses who can't be trusted to dial the right choice. are US! Mike,Be a leader, by being constructive. No one is served by the kind of post you just put out. I am sure you believe that ONLY you could have thought all that chicken little stuff up, not the other guys who have managed to have homes, jobs, even to figure out how to use radios.If you want to keep some personal credibility, let someone else post the negative 'truths'... Ouch after reading that, it prompts me to want to tell you about the new wing tape I found at a sporting goods store! It is clear and specifically excellent for two piece wings with bent rods because it has very little stretch and is sticky too! Its called Dura Guard tennis racket head protection tape. Its thin, not like hockey stick tape or the like. If you would like a reprint of the article post me privately :-)Gordy Getting ready to head to the field here in Denver!
Re: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests
Another 'good' thing about EVERYBODY at the field using a 14MZ, there'd be a lot fewer guys at the field, and a lot less interferrence! BUT, I'm envious. Sounds like the radio everyone needs. How long before the other manufacturers catch up? Good thermals, all .bcAG4YQ Williamsburg, VA On Thu, 26 May 2005, Bill's Email wrote: Chuck Anderson wrote: Far too many fliers are too stupid to be trusted with a dial-a-crash radio. They aren't even smart enough to know what frequency they are on without a synthesizer. As was the case in the incident I outlined. It was NOT a synthesized module. It was a regular old module. He changed channels and forgot he had done it. What I like about my synthesized radio (14MZ) is that it does not transmit until I tell it to. Gives me a chance to look at the channel and confirm it before it starts transmitting. Not the case with the guy with the wrong hardwired module in his radio. WEM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Thte topic is STILL about the Freq Checker :-)
or an argument about how dumb modelers are about their channels? Use your own title! There's more to come on the topic of that neat little and cheapHobbico Frequency Checker, so lets not lose the good info coming on that topic :-) My plan is to pace off the range today with and with out an antenna (chunk of servo wire I have with me stuffed in the antenna socket)so stand by for news! :-) Gordy
[RCSE] Synth Modules and Checkers
A lot of good points raised on synth capability, frequency checkers, etc. I've been using these almost daily for several months now and I'll agree with most all of the opinions offered, both plus and minus:: - They're a great tool. - It's easy to make mistakes. - You really need a back-up system of some sort to be sure you're on the proper frequency. - Some type of foolproof external frequency ID is needed. - I'll reiterate my original comment - stick to a primary channel and only change when you absolutely have to. Frequency agility has been very helpful for contests and using older Rxs for which I have a limited number of crystals. That said, I've also tried running a ch16 receiver on a ch20 synth Tx. Won't work and it would have endangered someone if anyone else was around. That doesn't mean users of synth modules are egregious cretins. The current crop of synth Txs (with the possible exception of the EVO) do not have any fail-safes in them. You wouldn't run a manufacturing plant without some operator safety checks but we do this all the time in sports and hobbies. Prudent practice suggests that more development needs to be done here. Since several of the Tx modules are 'add-ons' the options are limited. Hopefully the next generation of Txs will have more checks and balances but for now, what can be done to make things safe and convenient for everyone? The Hobbico unit (or something like it) appears to be an affordable tool for whenever I get a case of the stupids. It may have some limitations - and I certainly hope it doesn't displace true RF scanners that can really diagnose problems - but it does seem to have a place in our 'toolbox'. Recognizing that even with the best of intentions we all make mistakes, how much are we willing to pay in $$$ (Euros?, Yen?, Yuan?, Dreilings?) and inconvenience to protect other pilots and ourselves. Break it and buy it is still the rule where I fly. Doesn't take much of a break to pay for a modest amount of preventive equipment. To me the real issue is defining what we as a user community feel is needed and then feeding those ideas back to mfrs to upgrade the available equipment to meet those needs. Hopefully this equipment will mature over the next several years but for now, some type of cross check is very useful. I never met a guy that tried to shoot someone down. It's always a really bad moment in your life when that happens. Anything that can help mitigate those situations is a positive step. - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: RE: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests
Like Jim B. said. The Aero Spectra is a true professional grade instrument which can even predict battery failure in a tx. The read out gives out put in db's, has a two phase refresh rate to see spikes in interference etc. The adjacent channel comparison when in zoom mode is an eye opener. You can visually tell who has a sloppy transmitter. This will put to rest all the arguments as to what kind of transmitters with which antennas are accurately spreading signal. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Richman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:39 PM To: John Derstine; 'Bill Conkling'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: RE: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests John, the Areo Spectra is really BIG Bucks...close to $900. How's about the Icom IC-R5 Scanner. Seems quite capable for about $190 and PC programmable. Any idea of the differences in capabilities? TIA, Steve From: John Derstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed May 25 09:59:29 CDT 2005 To: 'Bill Conkling' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests Good point, especially with a cheap LED type read out, basically useless. With the Aero Spectra, the range is much larger, granted, it is not in your plane to say what is happening up there, but it will tell you signal strength in actual db's which is the important part. If a signal exists but is only 10 db, chances are it will have no effect on your R/C system which will only typically have a problem with a competing signal over 40-45 db's. If you see something over 30db, you might reconsider flying. The antenna on the Aertospectra is very large, and can even be fitted to a large remote antenna for stationary use at a club. You get what you pay for. Bottom line, unless you understand the limitations of the device you are using regardless of price, it will tell you little or nothing useful. JD Endless Mountain Models http://www.scalesoaring.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Bill Conkling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 7:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests OK, fellas, A ground mounted/based reciever is not going to tell you anything about rf signals your plane might pick up in the air at range. BUT, a ground based signal gatherer will most certainly tell you about the clown at the other end of the flight line messing arounbd with his transmitter, or the one left on at th3e impound area, etc. And, this can save your plane. .bcAG4YQ Williamsburg, VA On Tue, 24 May 2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our product manager helped do the QC testing on the first shipment of these, and with multiple units was able to get over 200 feet with every single unit WITHOUT the external antenna. A couple went up to the 300 ft max range, others had a max range of around 230-270 feet. (With antenna, we easily got over 800 feet and close to 1000 ft) With this sort of performance, I would feel safer with an extra rx and servos on mounted on a pole to wave around I thought this device sounded great at first, but it doesn't sound very useful at this point. Sailplanes in particular are susceptible to getting shot down because they are flown much farther out than the average RC plane. There is much more probability of your plane being closer to someone elses TX that is say 1/2 mile or 3/4 mile away. A test at your flying site from ground level with a meter that won't pick up distant signals is worthless. Yes it would be great in the impound area, especially if they put an alarm on it so it beeps whenever it hears conflicted signals. Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and
Re: [RCSE] Thte topic is STILL about the Freq Checker :-)
Gordy! I have one of the new Hobbico scanners and love it! Even us less intelligent power fliers (not much access to winches in our area) can figure it out! Now if I can only figure out how you guys are hearing the thing through the headsets.. ;) Happy flying, Jimmy www.jtmodels.com (Home of the ORIGINAL PlanePack) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: FS; 2m DUCK - SOLD
Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com - Original Message - From: D Hauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 2:49 PM Subject: FS; 2m DUCK RTF new hey guys, info can be seen here; http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=375532#post3806373 Dave Hauch www.git-r-built.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] JR gear on Ham band?
All this talk about frequency checkers has me thinking once again about channel interference. To be clear, I'm talking about glitches due to multiple transmitters on the same frequency. First of all, I think the new low-end Hobbico scanner is a great idea. I use Brian Wolfe's RC Scan 7200 every time I fly. Hats off to Hobbico for bringing at least rudimentary channel scanning down to a price point everyone can afford. I hope it has the effect of bringing a greater awareness to people about the importance of avoiding channel conflicts. That awareness is sorely needed. To wit: We have a couple of electric guys that show up at our field and never check out a frequency because I never see anybody using my channel... They've been told several times and still don't seem to get it. One of them even works for a major US aircraft manufacturer and should know better! :-() A couple weeks ago, one of them was flying a foamy 3d plane around right over our landing tapes! I'm scared to death of these guys. Anyway, it seems to me that one way to avoid these channel conflicts would be to start using HAM band. At least, they don't sell this stuff in the local toy stores...I mean hobby shops...and it's probably a fair assumption that guys on the HAM bands are going to be strict about managing conflict. I have JR transmitters and JR PCM receivers (R649s and R770s). Assuming I have at least an amateur radio technician's license, how do I go about getting my JR stuff on 50mHz? Cheers - Jim Laurel P.S., Link for RC Scan 7200. Costs more than the Hobbico, but worth it. Specs say that it will detect signals up to around 2000 feet away, but in my experience, that is conservative. http://www.desert-wolfe.com/rcscan/7200.htm RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] JR gear on Ham band?
Hey Jim, I am very pleased with my JR 9303 on ham band. Note also that all the receivers except PCM stuff use the same shift so will work well with each other. I am currently running JR, Futaba and FMA receivers with the same JR transmitter. On the other hand, there is no way to change a 72 MHz Rx to the ham band. Same with the TX but that is easy since you just plug in a new module. Buy the ARRL book and you can get your tech license with moderate effort. Good luck Jim MacLean RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] JR gear on Ham band?
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 01:26:07PM -0700, Jim Laurel wrote: | Anyway, it seems to me that one way to avoid these channel conflicts | would be to start using HAM band. You're just trading some dangers for other dangers. Rather than being at risk of guys who don't take 72 mhz frequency control seriously, wireless mikes and pager towers, you're at risk of guys who don't take 50 mHz frequency sharing seriously and other hams who are out of the band plan. (And those other hams could be transmitting at up to 1500 watts.) And there's fewer ham band frequencies anyways, so if you do run into other users of them, the odds of a conflict are higher. And the ham band frequencies are legal for ground use, so somebody with an R/C car or robot could conflict with you and never know it. Also, nobody else can legally fly your plane if it uses the ham bands, unless they're also a ham operator. I don't think you can even use a buddy box unless both people are hams. (I think the law specifically prohibits third party traffic with R/C on the ham bands.) In general, I do think the overall odds of a conflict on the ham bands are smaller than the odds of conflict on the 72 mHz band, but they're not zero. I've never had a hit on channel 5 or run into another user of it, but I also know that doesn't mean I'm safe ... | At least, they don't sell this stuff in the local toy stores...I | mean hobby shops... The local hobby shop will happily order ham stuff for me. Of course, I usually just go to Tower Hobbies -- they'll get it to me faster and cheaper. The local hobby shop is a lot more expensive, and while I'd like to support him, I'm not going to spend a lot of extra money to do it. | and it's probably a fair assumption that guys on the HAM bands are | going to be strict about managing conflict. I don't know. Mistakes are made by hams just like everybody else, and people do accidently step on each other all the time. But usually, the only damage is that somebody has to repeat what they said/sent ... And they may very well assume that nobody else is using the ham band anyways -- an assumption that works MOST of the time ... I see no reason to expect that hams will be any better at frequency control than anybody else. | I have JR transmitters and JR PCM receivers (R649s and R770s). | Assuming I have at least an amateur radio technician's license So don't assume. Get it. The test is very easy. | how do I go about getting my JR stuff on 50mHz? If you have transmitters with modules, you get 50 mHz modules. If they don't have modules, you get new transmitters, or have your transmitters modified. (Having them modified may not be practical -- it depends on the transmitter. You may also be able to do it yourself if you have the skills and equipment.) As for your receivers, you sell them here or somewhere else, and then you order new ones that use the ham bands -- you can't convert receivers to radically different bands like that, not in any cost effective way anyways. | P.S., Link for RC Scan 7200. Costs more than the Hobbico, but worth $250. (And out of stock.) | it. Specs say that it will detect signals up to around 2000 feet | away, but in my experience, that is conservative. I wonder why somebody doesn't just make these with receivers as sensitive as standard R/C receivers. Perhaps they do, but the difference is due to the receiver not being up in the air ... | http://www.desert-wolfe.com/rcscan/7200.htm Looks nice. Really, the only thing that's special about the Hobbico unit is the price. But the price is so much cheaper than anything else out there, so that's pretty special. :) -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED], AD5RH Just because your doctor has a name for your condition doesn't mean he knows what it is. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Multiplex MC V2 gear wanted
Hello, I have a Multiplex MC V2 Micro Speed servo with a stripped gear. It has all metal gears except one nylon gear. It's the nylon gear that's stripped. Does anyone have any of these gear sets laying around that they'd be willing to part with. Or do you know the part number so I can order one? I've contacted Hitec/Multiplex and they want me to send the servo in for service. It's hardwired into my wing and I don't want to clip the wires, send it in, wait, get it back and then solder it back in place (yeah, I know I'm lazy). I just want to drop in a new gear, lube it and put the servo back together and fly! As always I appreciate your help. Sincerely, Mike Las Vegas, NV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] JR gear on Ham band?
There is one misconception that keeps coming up about the 6 meter ham band. The 6 meter band plan reserves the 50 MHz frequencies for aircraft use only. The 53.x MHz frequencies are open to ground use as well as air. -l KG6SXO RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Had a chance to do some range tests with the Freq Checker ..today!'
I was soaring at the Denver sod farm sight and took some time to pace off distances. What I found was 130' with out an external antenna, BUT 50' max if I put my body between it and the TX. That was with the TX on the ground standing straight up right , antenna full extended. I did try shoving things in the extermal antenna port but it didn't affect range one way or the other. I had a walkman head set and plug it in. I undid the antenna in my cell phone and plugged it in also with no added range. So...don't buy one if you expect to scan the heavens, but do buy one if you want to check your own Tx for the channel you last used, or to check in the general pit area. Definitely interested in seeing what it's own external antenna will add! Gordy
[RCSE] Re: [RCSE] Had a chance to do some range tests with the Freq Checker ..today!'
What happens if you put your tongue in the damned thing? Lee - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: [RCSE] "Had a chance to do some range tests with the Freq Checker ..today!' I was soaring at the Denver sod farm sight and took some time to pace off distances. What I found was 130' with out an external antenna, BUT 50' max if I put my body between it and the TX. That was with the TX on the ground standing straight up right , antenna full extended. I did try shoving things in the extermal antenna port but it didn't affect range one way or the other. I had a walkman head set and plug it in. I undid the antenna in my cell phone and plugged it in also with no added range. So...don't buy one if you expect to scan the heavens, but do buy one if you want to check your own Tx for the channel you last used, or to check in the general pit area. Definitely interested in seeing what it's own external antenna will add! Gordy
Re: [RCSE] JR gear on Ham band?
Lex Mierop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is one misconception that keeps coming up about the 6 meter ham band. The 6 meter band plan reserves the 50 MHz frequencies for aircraft use only. The 53.x MHz frequencies are open to ground use as well as air. I can't find any evidence of that. The AMA frequency plan at http://www.modelaircraft.org/Comp/frequency.htm says that both the 50 and 53 MHz channels are For Model Aircraft and Surface Model Use. I also searched through some of the online FCC rules but couldn't find anything there either. I'm pretty sure Doug McLaren is right. Someone could be legally controlling an r/c car, boat, or robot on your 50 Mhz channel. Come to think of it, this came close to actually happening to me! An r/c sailing club that uses a lake near our club's flying site hosted what they called a regatta, and one of the prospective out-of-town participants was on my 50 Mhz channel. Fortunately for me, he had to cancel his trip and the conflict never happened. Mike -- Winch Solenoid Safety Buzzer - http://www.vvsss.com/buzzer/ _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] airtronics pcm recivers
I have three Airtronics PCM recivers for sale will ship free price is $55 . Also have Airtronics reciver xtals for sale on the following channels 50 ,52 46, 24 $10 each will include shipping. Looking for a airtronics reciver xtal on 16 .thanks Reece RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: More on the Freq Checker Range tests
I have never shot down another pilot, but have seen it happen. Nobody goes home feeling good about the hobby when that happens. Please be careful with your synth transmitters folks, with power comes responsibilities. Other than Multiplex, who have had scanning addons for the Profi's for years now (they won't transmit unless the channel is quiet), the other manufacturers do have some catching up to do. I plan to purchase one of JR's synth modules for my 9303 when they're available, and realize that I'll have to be careful in it's use if I ever need to change channels. Mainly it will remain on ch.58 90% of the time. I'm lucky enough to share that channel with only one other flyer in my club who shows up maybe 6 times a year. On the days that he comes out (or at funflys), I'll change channels but realize that I must be mindful of what I'm doing. Dan Bill Conkling wrote: Another 'good' thing about EVERYBODY at the field using a 14MZ, there'd be a lot fewer guys at the field, and a lot less interferrence! BUT, I'm envious. Sounds like the radio everyone needs. How long before the other manufacturers catch up? Good thermals, all .bcAG4YQ Williamsburg, VA On Thu, 26 May 2005, Bill's Email wrote: Chuck Anderson wrote: Far too many fliers are too stupid to be trusted with a dial-a-crash radio. They aren't even smart enough to know what frequency they are on without a synthesizer. As was the case in the incident I outlined. It was NOT a synthesized module. It was a regular old module. He changed channels and forgot he had done it. What I like about my synthesized radio (14MZ) is that it does not transmit until I tell it to. Gives me a chance to look at the channel and confirm it before it starts transmitting. Not the case with the guy with the wrong hardwired module in his radio. WEM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Airtronics pcm recivers
the recivers are from a vision and are 8 channel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] JR gear on Ham band?
Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, nobody else can legally fly your plane if it uses the ham bands, unless they're also a ham operator. I don't think you can even use a buddy box unless both people are hams. (I think the law specifically prohibits third party traffic with R/C on the ham bands.) The way I see it, it's not third-party traffic, it's you being the control operator. I believe it's perfectly legal so long as you're there watching, and if someone is flying your plane then you almost certainly will be. (It IS a handy excuse to say no you can't fly my plane though.) I always have mixed emotions when someone asks if they should get ham gear. I think it's a great idea if you have a license, but I also don't want to spoil a good thing for those of us who already use those frequencies. Ideally I'd like to see 50 MHz gear be just popular enough to remain in production and readily available at good prices, but no more popular than that! Mike -- Winch Solenoid Safety Buzzer - http://www.vvsss.com/buzzer/ _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] JR gear on Ham band?
At 08:08 PM 5/26/2005, you wrote: The way I see it, it's not third-party traffic, it's you being the control operator. I believe it's perfectly legal so long as you're there watching, and if someone is flying your plane then you almost certainly will be. (It IS a handy excuse to say no you can't fly my plane though.) It doesn't matter how you see it. It's how FCC sees it. This question has been ask for over 50 years and the answer has always been that NOBODY can control a model on the ham bands without a valid FCC license. The first time I remember this question ask was in the early 60's. Somebody ask if a modeler could fly on the ham band if a licensed ham turned the transmitter on. The answer was no. It has been ask many times since and I have seen an FCC letter on the subject printed in Model Aviation. Why don't you ask AMA or better yet, ask the FCC. Chuck Anderson WA4ZFH RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Multiplex MC V2 Servo Gear
Thank you to everyone who responded to my post. As it turns out, I have another servo with a different problem in the same plane. Looks like the motor or chip is fried. It's slow and weak. So I just took the gears out of that servo and put them in the other. Now I will send the slow servo in for service. Mike Las Vegas, NV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] JR gear on Ham band?
I kind of have the same sediment as Mike. I am very fortunate here on Maui I am one of three licensed ham R/C pilots where I fly. But a couple years ago, I was the only ham pilot where I fly. I'm hoping that the synthesizer transmitters will keep most people on 72 MHz and the present population of black flag pilots will be in the background with just enough support from JR, Futaba, and even Sombra Labs (I heard Sombra is coming out with a ham version of the Shadow 3). Aloha to all on RCSE, Al Battad - WH6VE AMA #506981 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 3:09 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] JR gear on Ham band? Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, nobody else can legally fly your plane if it uses the ham bands, unless they're also a ham operator. I don't think you can even use a buddy box unless both people are hams. (I think the law specifically prohibits third party traffic with R/C on the ham bands.) The way I see it, it's not third-party traffic, it's you being the control operator. I believe it's perfectly legal so long as you're there watching, and if someone is flying your plane then you almost certainly will be. (It IS a handy excuse to say no you can't fly my plane though.) I always have mixed emotions when someone asks if they should get ham gear. I think it's a great idea if you have a license, but I also don't want to spoil a good thing for those of us who already use those frequencies. Ideally I'd like to see 50 MHz gear be just popular enough to remain in production and readily available at good prices, but no more popular than that! Mike -- Winch Solenoid Safety Buzzer - http://www.vvsss.com/buzzer/ _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] JR gear on Ham band?
I'm in doubt about a couple of claims that were made here about FCC rules concerning 6 meter r/c radios: 1. Lex Mierop says that 50 Mhz can only be used for aircraft, not cars, boats, or robots. 2. Chuck Anderson says that you can't allow someone to use your 6 meter r/c radio while you supervise as control operator. Can anyone find any evidence on the Web confirming either of these alleged rules? I searched through FCC Part 97 and couldn't find a thing. http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/ Mike -- _ \__|__/ (O) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] JR gear on Ham band?
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 06:26:45PM -1000, glide wrote: | Oops, I meant sentiment not sediment grin. ... | I kind of have the same sediment as Mike. Sentiment, sediment ... it all falls to the bottom! | I'm hoping that the synthesizer transmitters will keep most people | on 72 MHz and the present population of black flag pilots will be in | the background with just enough support from JR, Futaba, and even | Sombra Labs (I heard Sombra is coming out with a ham version of the | Shadow 3). Well, a true ham could modify a 75, 72 or 40 mHz sythesized module to work on 50 mHz, and I suspect a few have. Though with only 10 channels to worry about, carrying 10 crystals is almost practical ... And in case you didn't notice, the Shadow 1 does the 50, 72 and 75 mHz bands -- all in the same unit. That certainly seems to be the best of all possible worlds, though I'm a little concerned about how good it is at rejecting strong signals anywhere in that range. I'd emailed Barry Kennedy at Kennedy Composites asking if I could still get a Shadow 1, and he said -- Sorry, Shadow 1s are out of production right now. They will resume this summer. This was about a month ago. Hopefully he's right, though he ought to know. -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] She had a deep, throaty, genuine laugh, like that sound a dog makes just before it throws up. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] JR gear on Ham band?
On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 12:39:10AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I'm in doubt about a couple of claims that were made here about FCC rules | concerning 6 meter r/c radios: | | 1. Lex Mierop says that 50 Mhz can only be used for aircraft, not cars, | boats, or robots. I don't believe this. He said it was in the band plans, but it's not in the ARRL band plan that I can find -- http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/bandplan.html And even if it was, I'm not sure if band plans carry the force of law or not. Though they probably do qualify as `good amateur practice', and the FCC does like that, so ... As far as I know, you can do ground or air craft on both the 50 and 53 mHz R/C channels. | 2. Chuck Anderson says that you can't allow someone to use your 6 | meter r/c radio while you supervise as control operator. I said it too. I could have sworn I saw it in the technicial study book I used, but when I went looking through part 97 today, I couldn't find the rule. Maybe it's changed. I remember it as being specific to `telecommand', which is the term that they use for R/C. Though I did find this online -- Here is the discussion on this topic taken from the latest edition of the ARRL's FCC Rule Book: Telecommand of Model Craft Amateurs are also permitted to use radio links to control model craft, such as model airplanes and boats. Certain restrictions apply [97.215] on this kind of operation: o Station identification is not required for transmission directed only to the model craft. The control transmitter must bear a label indicating the station's call sign and the licensee's name and address [97.215(a)]. o Control signals are not considered codes and ciphers [97.215(b)]. o Transmitter power cannot exceed 1 W [97.215(c)]. o Only licensed amateurs may operate telecommand transmitters using amateur frequencies. While unlicensed persons may participate as third parties in most amateur operations, they may not participate in telecommand operation. This is true even when a licensed amateur is closely supervising the operation. The FCC has said that the one-way transmissions involved in telecommand do not constitute third-party messages exchanged between control operators. Nonamateurs must use equipment and frequencies in the Radio Control Service. If licensed amateurs wish to use amateur equipment and frequencies for model telecommand, it is their responsibility to be sure that they can safely operate the equipment while observing the FCC's Rules. I found that at http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_1769536/anchors_1771645/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#1771645 and it came from Tom Hogerty, KC1J Field Educational Services Phone: 860-594-0323 FAX: 860-594-0259 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Back in 2001. If anybody knows, the ARRL ought to know ... Beware though if you look at that link ... the page is not safe for work! (It contains some fine examples of silicone enhancement taken to the extreme for some strange reason ...) -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Beam me up, Scotty! It ate my phaser! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Looking for a Multiplex Lucky kit or fuselege only
Im really open to something that is NIB, either an entire kit or just the fuselage itself but must be new. Let me know whats out there. Aloha and mahalo, Al Battad WH6VE AMA #506981
