Re: [RCSE] Estate planning
This is a very worthwhile thread. I'll be interested in what's said on the subject. As to me, the matter has been given considerable thought. Before retiring 20 years ago, I had a 40 year career in the life insurance business. Much of the training was estate planning related. I also have a personal attorney who has been very helpful in accomplishing what I have in mind. Getting to the modeling stuff, I have an understanding with relatives named in my will. They don't have a clue about its worth, know what much of it's for (except common tools), or who might be a prospect for buying any of it. The understanding consists of having a trusted modeling friend haul off what they can't use, keep what he wants as a reward for the friendship long provided and offer what can't use over the RCSE or otherwise. I don't care what comes of it, other than wanting it in good hands who can use it. The idea of it being offered up at a yard sale is nauseating. I leave it to sthe friend to decide what the net amount to hand over would be, with no accounting required. I figure whatever that amounts to would be more than woefully uniformed relatives could possibly get trying to handle disposition of the stuff. My heirs otherwise come into piles of loot, mostly passing by contract outside of a will, and what might come out of the modeling stuff is quite incidental. I buy it for my use and pleasure without thought about what might ultimately become of it. It's a simple plan, but having no spouse, no debts or unpaid taxes that would prompt creditors or taxing entities to look for probate protection under the will and with Durable Power of Attorney in the hands of relatives named in the will, the will can just be filed for public record in case anyone wants to know if they were named in it. I leave $1 to several named people who may have notions they have something coming. - Original Message - From: Loren Blinde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring-airage.com Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: [RCSE] Estate planning Let's say that tomorrow, due to circumstances beyond your control, you either go to heaven, ascend to a higher reality or become worm-food, RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Fred Sage Addiction For Sale
Selling a Broken yet repairable Fred Sage 120 Addiction Fuselage was broken and wing has just alittle repair.. Plane comes with all 6 servos Hitec I think and 225mgs for the flaps this is a plane who in the right hands can fix it easy .. This was my Backup ship for Visilia last year.. price is 325.00 plus shipping via UPS Ground .. I can take a few pics for ya if needed or ask any questions .. this plane is a 7037 Airfoil Email me at this Email.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks Mike M Team SWSA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] stuff for sale
some additional items for sale.. all prices + shipping: LOLO alti logger.. lightly used.. $100.00 VAM 200 vario/altimeter (as imported by Gordy) $100.oo Eagle tree flight data recorder (NIB) $100.00 older Astro ni-cad charger analyzer $25.00 NIB Serius Pro-Charge (the best, I have 3) $125.00 contact off line RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Shocker 3-view, German F3B link
Lee, none of these seem to work, would like to see these if any changes are known. Marc - Original Message - From: Les or Gypsy Stockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Shocker 3-view, German F3B link Theres quite a good write up on the Freestyler, an earlier Herrig design at http://studweb.studserv.uni-stuttgart.de/studweb/users/lrt/lrt28575/proj_fre estyler.htm http://studweb.studserv.uni-stuttgart.de/studweb/users/lrt/lrt28575/DC_Frees t.htm is the design study including the airfoil design. http://studweb.studserv.uni-stuttgart.de/studweb/users/lrt/lrt28575/Bau_free st.htm shows how they made it, molds were made without using CNC milling. Its all in German but doesnt come out too bad thru Babelfish http://babelfish.altavista.com/ Enjoy, Les. David Zucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the link for the website. A lot of requests for pics and airfoil stuff http://www.f3b-team-germany.de/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Nationalteam David RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] OVSS Scores and DARTS This Weekend
Good Bubba Steve Siebenaler has updated the OVSS scores on on www.cincinnattisoaring.org at the scores page. Also, this weekend, we will be flying this weekend in Yellow Springs, Ohio at the DARTS field. Hopefully it will be as nice a weekend as what we just had. My new Grand Esprit made it's inaugral outing and smoked the boys in FTW, well maybe not smoked, but those composite ships could not hang with it when it got light. Friend Jerry Shape built this ship and it is lighter, stiffer, and has better control reponse than any one I have had. One sweet RES/NOS ship, just wish I could have had it ready for the Nats. See everyone this coming weekend at DARTS. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] OVSS Scores and DARTS This Weekend
Good Bubba Steve Siebenaler has updated the OVSS scores on on www.cincinnattisoaring.org at the scores page. Also, this weekend, we will be flying this weekend in Yellow Springs, Ohio at the DARTS field. Hopefully it will be as nice a weekend as what we just had. My new Grand Esprit made it's inaugral outing and smoked the boys in FTW, well maybe not smoked, but those composite ships could not hang with it when it got light. Friend Jerry Shape built this ship and it is lighter, stiffer, and has better control reponse than any one I have had. One sweet RES/NOS ship, just wish I could have had it ready for the Nats. See everyone this coming weekend at DARTS. Marc RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] [RCSE[ Estate Planning
Guys: I am a practicing lawyer of the general practice persuasion, and when not making trouble on RCSE I do a significant amount of estate planning for "regular folks." Some basic advice: have a will don't get sucked in by a "trust mill"--most people don't need a trust, and most people that have one manage to screw them up before dying. you should have a living will and health care power of attorney lots of stuff passes by contract or survivorship, meaning your will has little or nothing to say about where this stuff goes. Make sure you know how your "non-probate" stuff is set up, since it is probably most of what you are worth. Examples: life insurance, joint bank accounts, retirement, payable-on death provisions in bank accounts, joint ownership if brokerage accounts, joint and survivorship deeds for real estate. Wills and stuff are controlled by STATE law, so check with your local counsel. There are some oddball state provisions. In Ohio, for example, a surviving spouse can take two cars and a boat and an outboard motor without going through probate court. At least one of the older members of my RC soaring club has a provision in his will that calls on the club to auction off his RC stuff amongst ourselves and put the money into the club treasury. We have already done thisfor one other membersince I have been flying, and I can tell you we treasure those items. Finally, there was a good article about wills, estates and "our stuff" in the AMA magazine in the last couple of years. Check it out. Oh yeah: try not to die. Tom H. NagelColumbus, OH
Re: [RCSE] Estate planning
Yes, very worthwhile. Very off topic. Perhaps a bit more valuable than others... Our RC stuff is very valuable to us personally, and it may have cost us a few tens of thousands. Bigger issues to worry about are the property, business, accounts, and equities that we may have acquired over the lifetime. Congress is still screwing around with the estate tax, so it's hard to say for sure what the picture looks like. Right now it's not really an issue if you have total assets of $1.5 million per person, or if married $1.5 million x 2 = 3 million. No federal taxes. That's a lot, but many have attained that and more. I'm not sure if Harley's contract is a trust, but I would assume it is. Trusts are an accepted means of avoiding the fees associated with probate and can serve to allow better and more efficient management and distribution of the assets. I can't stress enough how simple it is to get some planning and measures put in place. It's also a very smart idea to do the planning as early as possible, preferably before the money is made. Please also consider finding a good tax attorney to help with the planning. No offense, but insurance agents, investment brokers, etc. while probably good intentioned, are specialists in the products that they sell and their solution may be rather heavily weighted in that direction. The self-help books have merit too, but they are generally drafted to scare the hell out of the readers and generally seem to portray lawyers as very evil people. (Some are, but so are some of every profession) Interview several, audition them. Check to see if they are prompt with their written proposals, look for the little things. (Did they spell your wife's name properly). It may cost a few bucks, but the amount of BS and $$ it will save from the Federal Dumpster will be very worthwhile. In the end, you will likely find one that you are comfortable with. While we are on this tangent. Those of you with businesses would also do well to consider tax planning at the earliest. It is much easier to generate wealth outside your estate than it is to get it out of your estate after it's made. How many have purchased a building in the name of the corporation? Don't want to do that either... OK, enough. Lee Estingoy Overland Park, KS Lawyer with a Master's Degree in Taxation... No flame necessary, let's keep this civil. Besides, who do you hate more, lawyers or the IRS? :) - Original Message - From: Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring-airage.com Soaring@airage.com; Loren Blinde [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:16 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Estate planning This is a very worthwhile thread. I'll be interested in what's said on the subject. As to me, the matter has been given considerable thought. Before retiring 20 years ago, I had a 40 year career in the life insurance business. Much of the training was estate planning related. I also have a personal attorney who has been very helpful in accomplishing what I have in mind. Getting to the modeling stuff, I have an understanding with relatives named in my will. They don't have a clue about its worth, know what much of it's for (except common tools), or who might be a prospect for buying any of it. The understanding consists of having a trusted modeling friend haul off what they can't use, keep what he wants as a reward for the friendship long provided and offer what can't use over the RCSE or otherwise. I don't care what comes of it, other than wanting it in good hands who can use it. The idea of it being offered up at a yard sale is nauseating. I leave it to sthe friend to decide what the net amount to hand over would be, with no accounting required. I figure whatever that amounts to would be more than woefully uniformed relatives could possibly get trying to handle disposition of the stuff. My heirs otherwise come into piles of loot, mostly passing by contract outside of a will, and what might come out of the modeling stuff is quite incidental. I buy it for my use and pleasure without thought about what might ultimately become of it. It's a simple plan, but having no spouse, no debts or unpaid taxes that would prompt creditors or taxing entities to look for probate protection under the will and with Durable Power of Attorney in the hands of relatives named in the will, the will can just be filed for public record in case anyone wants to know if they were named in it. I leave $1 to several named people who may have notions they have something coming. - Original Message - From: Loren Blinde [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring-airage.com Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 10:06 PM Subject: [RCSE] Estate planning Let's say that tomorrow, due to circumstances beyond your control, you either go to heaven, ascend to a higher reality or become worm-food, RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.
[RCSE] Re: [midwestslope] Wilson F3f August 20th.
I'll be there. -- Greg Smith Slope Soaring Resource http://www.slopeflyer.com US distributor for Wizard Compact II, Opus DS V, Majko, Airtech models and PCM Erwin 5 models. From: Mike Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 03:10:14 -0500 To: soaring@airage.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [midwestslope] Wilson F3f August 20th. Can I get an email from those who wxpect to attend? I would like to get a head count. Don't worry about frequency, I will get it the morning of the race. Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Text-only AOL posts--It can be done
Greetings AOL users using a PC and possibly other ISP users as well, To write your AOL message in text only: 1. Place the cursor in the text of the message. 2. Right-click the mouse. A list will pop up on your screen. 3. Scroll to the bottom of the list and choose Compose as Plain Text. 4. Click either right or left on it. Now you're set. Easy. Just to be sure, you can right-click again, and that bottom line will say Compose as HTML. (uh-uh--don't choose it). I've meant to check this issue out with a Mac, but haven't gotten around to it yet; sorry. Happy posting, Al RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Nats detailed scores
I am one of those that loves to go thru my detailed scores... At Nats Robin Meek filled up my USB-memory every day and finally I got them out with details I know how much work is involved in scores since I also do them in Norway (and flying like Robin) Thanks Robin!! And offcourse all others involved in the Nats crew I just dumped the detailed scores in some txt-files as that should provide all needed. If you find something wrong I am pretty sure it is not Robin's fault but you signing the scorecard ;-0 Anyhow: http://www.f3x.no/nats 15 picture cd's went out today and more tomorrow! Once again thanks to all for a wonderful event. Hilsen (Regards) Jojo www.grini.no RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] bad chatter problem
Ok, I'm trying to help a friend diagnose and hopefully resolve a chatter problem... It's a standard GL, and it gets big chatter, full throw up and down, in different orientations. Only suspicious thing is that he used metal pushrods instead of the 1/4 inch balsa setup standard to the GL. We moved the antenna outside the fuse, on the leading edge of the wing. No joy. Changed to a different transmitter, no joy. He's looking to replace the receiver, but he made the comment that he was using a 5 cell battery pack. Is there any way that 6V driving a 555 and a pair of micro (HS81) servos could be a problem? I'm thinking it's probably a bad board / crystal or a loose solder joint, but that battery pack is a wildcard to me - anyone? Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Test
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[RCSE] Re: Estate Stuff
I've had the occasion to lose a number of hobby friends over the years and one thing has (fortunately) been in common - they've all made it known that their soaring and hobby stuff should be either given to certain folks or auctioned through their club. That may sound a bit morbid to some but taking care of a friends equipment after they're gone can have a very positive side. I have a 'sport' winch I received from the family of a close friend over 25 years ago. It still works. Every time I bring it out to the field I remember some really good times with a bunch of special pilots out Pasadena way. Flying on those days just seems better somehow. - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] bad chatter problem
It may be a case of the transmitter 'swamping' the rec If the TX is too close, it can over excite the rec front end. I suspect that this may be exagerated with the 5cell battery. Can he try a 4 cell instead? Why the 5 cell? If he is trying to get weight, use 4 bigger cells, or carry some lead. I think that 5 cells may not provide additional flight timne over 4 cells. I personally don't like the antenna on the leading edge. I would bring it out of the fuse near the reciever, and over the wing to the tip of the vert tail. Putting ot on the wing LE, would alter the shape of one LE and could upset airflow over this most critical area of the wing. And, attaching the antenna to a 'removable' part of the airplane, can cause distress if that part separates from the rest of the aircraft, as in a sudden arrival with the ground. Thi has been known to rip the antenna from the receiver or worse, stress and fatigue the antenna at the receiver case leading to sudden failure at a latter date. .bcAG4YQ Williamsburg, VA On Mon, 8 Aug 2005, Douglas, Brent wrote: Ok, I'm trying to help a friend diagnose and hopefully resolve a chatter problem... It's a standard GL, and it gets big chatter, full throw up and down, in different orientations. Only suspicious thing is that he used metal pushrods instead of the 1/4 inch balsa setup standard to the GL. We moved the antenna outside the fuse, on the leading edge of the wing. No joy. Changed to a different transmitter, no joy. He's looking to replace the receiver, but he made the comment that he was using a 5 cell battery pack. Is there any way that 6V driving a 555 and a pair of micro (HS81) servos could be a problem? I'm thinking it's probably a bad board / crystal or a loose solder joint, but that battery pack is a wildcard to me - anyone? Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] bad chatter problem
I agree. I sounds like a bad crystal. I've used 555's on 5 cells many times and I've never seen this happen. I have lots of planes with metal pushrods without a problem too. I've only seen this using FMA receivers where there's lots of carbon in the plane. In those cases I swap the receiver for a Hitec. -Ben Douglas, Brent wrote: Ok, I'm trying to help a friend diagnose and hopefully resolve a chatter problem... It's a standard GL, and it gets big chatter, full throw up and down, in different orientations. Only suspicious thing is that he used metal pushrods instead of the 1/4 inch balsa setup standard to the GL. We moved the antenna outside the fuse, on the leading edge of the wing. No joy. Changed to a different transmitter, no joy. He's looking to replace the receiver, but he made the comment that he was using a 5 cell battery pack. Is there any way that 6V driving a 555 and a pair of micro (HS81) servos could be a problem? I'm thinking it's probably a bad board / crystal or a loose solder joint, but that battery pack is a wildcard to me - anyone? Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Text-only AOL posts--It can be done
On my last post regarding this topic I expressed ignorance about the Mac. So just nowI tested a Mac post using AOL 5.0. It sent only text with no modifications needed. However, my older Mac G4 uses OS 9.2, so I can't run the latest AOL on it--the newer AOL is so much better that I do email on a PC until the day when I give in and go to OS X. Probably the same (i.e., no problem) with OS X, but someone running that might like to report on it. When I got back from a trip last week and was checking old RCSE digests, Inoted that there was a discussion a week or two ago regarding this, with the apparently widely held belief expressed that AOL can't suppress HTML, thus printing text followed by gibberish which takes several screens of clicking until the reader gets past it. In fact, if HTML can be eliminated from an AOLpost by right clicking and selecting "text" with a PC, it should be possible with any email program. Al Nephew Duluth, MN
[RCSE] Re: bad chatter problem
Brent - A good diagnostic tool for this can be a hand held vibratory engraver. Power the system up and touch the receiver case with the vibrator. If it turns you on then you need to find a new hobby. If the system goes nuts then start checking further - replace the crystal, try it again, etc. I would bet that it isn't a battery problem in this case. happy trails- Rob Glover SNIPI'm thinking it's probably a bad board / crystal or a loose solderjoint, but that battery pack is a wildcard to me - anyone?Thanks,Brent
[RCSE] bad chatter problem fulll scale
Guys I know that several guys on this list a full scale jet jocks.so Yesterday descending from 35K - the pilot did not deploy the spoilers, but rather extended the LE slot and the flaps were 20+ degrees with a healthy nose down attitude. At that time a very loud medium freq vibration started. Very different from spoiler noise. Dropped 15K retracted LE and flaps - noise decrease with retraction. I cannot believe that those vibrations would not cause metal wear of metal fatigue. Has anyone noticed this? I stopped at cockpit and asked pilot - he just gave me the dog-whistle look... TIA Jim Jim Ealy Education by Demonstration RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] bad chatter problem
I don't know about the HS81s specifically, but some servos don't like 6 volt battery packs, and chatter is the symptom, at least until the voltage drops a bit. (A 5 cell NiCd pack puts out about 7 volts at first.) http://www.hobbico.com/faq/product-faq.html#q109 http://rcflying.net/forums/printthread.php?t=4565 However, that usually only causes chatter, not full scale deflections. I wouldn't expect the metal pushrods to cause problems unless you had metal rubbing on metal. Good connections rarely cause problems, but bad connections do. As for how to narrow down the problem, that part should be easy -- try a 4 cell pack, try a different receiver, try some different servos. (You've already tried another transmitter.) You don't even need to actually install the new gear, just connect it and see how things work. -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED]I've already told you more than I know. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] bad chatter problem
You might also consider the ambient testing environment, local appliances, flourescent lighting etc can cause similar chatter... Quoting Doug McLaren [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't know about the HS81s specifically, but some servos don't like 6 volt battery packs, and chatter is the symptom, at least until the voltage drops a bit. (A 5 cell NiCd pack puts out about 7 volts at first.) http://www.hobbico.com/faq/product-faq.html#q109 http://rcflying.net/forums/printthread.php?t=4565 However, that usually only causes chatter, not full scale deflections. I wouldn't expect the metal pushrods to cause problems unless you had metal rubbing on metal. Good connections rarely cause problems, but bad connections do. As for how to narrow down the problem, that part should be easy -- try a 4 cell pack, try a different receiver, try some different servos. (You've already tried another transmitter.) You don't even need to actually install the new gear, just connect it and see how things work. -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED]I've already told you more than I know. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] bad chatter problem
You've got a short in the antenna wire near the receiver. Dan "Douglas, Brent" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I'm trying to help a friend diagnose and hopefully resolve a chatterproblem... It's a standard GL, and it gets big chatter, full throw upand down, in different orientations. Only suspicious thing is that heused metal pushrods instead of the 1/4 inch balsa setup standard to theGL.We moved the antenna outside the fuse, on the leading edge of the wing.No joy. Changed to a different transmitter, no joy. He's looking toreplace the receiver, but he made the comment that he was using a 5 cellbattery pack. Is there any way that 6V driving a 555 and a pair ofmicro (HS81) servos could be a problem?I'm thinking it's probably a bad board / crystal or a loose solderjoint, but that battery pack is a wildcard to me - anyone?Thanks,BrentRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page
Re: [RCSE] Re: bad chatter problem
I would suspect some of that chatter could be (electrically) generated by by the engraver... Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Brent - A good diagnostic tool for this can be a hand held vibratory engraver. Power the system up and touch the receiver case with the vibrator. If it turns you on then you need to find a new hobby. If the system goes nuts then start checking further - replace the crystal, try it again, etc. I would bet that it isn't a battery problem in this case. happy trails- Rob Glover SNIP I'm thinking it's probably a bad board / crystal or a loose solder joint, but that battery pack is a wildcard to me - anyone? Thanks, Brent Simon Van Leeuwen PnP Systems - The E-Harness of Choice Radius Systems Cogito Ergo Zoom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Shocker 3-view, German F3B link
Ah yes, they get cut into smaller pieces by text wrapping, try these ones. I dont know the differences between the Freestyler and the Shocker but I thought these pages were more interesting for the construction technique. A couple of Shocker pictures at http://www.lomcovak.cz/f3f/2k3/11/rugen.htm http://studweb.studserv.uni-stuttgart.de/studweb/users/lrt/lrt28575/proj_fr eestyler.htm http://studweb.studserv.uni-stuttgart.de/studweb/users/lrt/lrt28575/DC_Free st.htm http://studweb.studserv.uni-stuttgart.de/studweb/users/lrt/lrt28575/Bau_fre est.htm Les. - Original Message - From: ROBERT M GELLART [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Les or Gypsy Stockley [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Shocker 3-view, German F3B link Lee, none of these seem to work, would like to see these if any changes are known. Marc - Original Message - From: Les or Gypsy Stockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Shocker 3-view, German F3B link Theres quite a good write up on the Freestyler, an earlier Herrig design at http://studweb.studserv.uni-stuttgart.de/studweb/users/lrt/lrt28575/proj_fre estyler.htm http://studweb.studserv.uni-stuttgart.de/studweb/users/lrt/lrt28575/DC_Frees t.htm is the design study including the airfoil design. http://studweb.studserv.uni-stuttgart.de/studweb/users/lrt/lrt28575/Bau_free st.htm shows how they made it, molds were made without using CNC milling. Its all in German but doesnt come out too bad thru Babelfish http://babelfish.altavista.com/ Enjoy, Les. David Zucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the link for the website. A lot of requests for pics and airfoil stuff http://www.f3b-team-germany.de/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Nationalteam David RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: bad chatter problem
Are the HS-81's brand new? They have a habit of chattering around neutral after a while which can be er... postponed by spraying some tuner cleaner into the pot and exercising them for a bit. I learned this while flying RC Combat which is a much harder environment than sailplanes and gleaned the fix from the Hitec board on RC Groups. If that isn't it, I'd vote for a freshly charged 5 cell pack being the problem-- if it's draied down a little, the problem might disappear. JESTER RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Seeing his post the author realizes . . .
In a message dated 8/8/2005 2:17:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Soaring@airage.com writes: AND FORGETS TO RIGHT CLICK TO ELIMINATE THE UNWANTED GIBBERISH!!! (jokes on me, I guess--it's easy to forget). On my last post regarding this topic I expressed ignorance about the Mac. So just now I tested a Mac post using AOL 5.0. It sent only text with no modifications needed. However, my older Mac G4 uses OS 9.2, so I can't run the latest AOL on it--the newer AOL is so much better that I do email on a PC until the day when I give in and go to OS X. Probably the same (i.e., no problem) with OS X, but someone running that might like to report on it. When I got back from a trip last week and was checking old RCSE digests, I noted that there was a discussion a week or two ago regarding this, with the apparently widely held belief expressed that AOL can't suppress HTML, thus printing text followed by gibberish which takes several screens of clicking until the reader gets past it. In fact, if HTML can be eliminated from an AOL post by right clicking and selecting text with a PC, it should be possible with any email program. Al Nephew Duluth, MN again, and sorry to waste bandwidth RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Death of a club
Let's get this great hobby growing. Well said, George, well said. This is something that has been on my mind a lot lately, as I am the resident webmaster, flyer-maker, etc. for the Louisville Area Soaring Society. We are a relatively small club -- we number into the 40s on paper, but have a hard time getting half a dozen people to field regularly. We have only one contest per year - the Day After Derby contest that could certainly be a larger affair than it has been in the last few years. (We also host the MidSouth ever three years, but that's beside my point). We need to do a better job of outreaching to the rest of the hobby community. Soaring is too great of an experience for it to wither away. Our permit with the Metro (Louisville) Parks Dept. requires us to show significant use (I think that's the term) of the field to retain our contract. With the ever-increasing suburban sprawl, I worry that we might lose it if our numbers stay as they are. In the last couple of years, we have been attempting to do a better job of growing the club - first through our newly-redone website, new logo, new t-shirts and updated club flyers at the Local Hobby Shops among other club initiatives. We've also been encouraging electric flyers to join us at the field and we've already had a handful of cross-overs. This year, a group of electric-minded glider-guiders organized to put together LASS' first new contest in a long while - the F5J Speed 400 contest. F5J is a new, up-and-coming idea that is generating a good bit of exicitement. The Speed 400 idea brings it within range of mostly any modeller. At that contest alone (yesterday) we drew at least 6 new pilots and/or interested parties! All of these are small steps, but ones that we've seen results from. If the addage of Any press is good press has any truth to it, then so be it. We've tried with the website, our own club email-list, newsgroups, etc. to keep the LASS news coming and in the minds of those that we are within reach of. Think of the number of times at a contest when you meet someone or someone meets you who already knows your name through the e-grapevine. Reports from your local club let others know that the soaring spirit is continuing in your neck of the woods. Again, a small thing. BTW -- Gordy does a good job of spreading the word as well, though he's rarely in Louisville! Consider him as our gift to you :) In regards to all of the NATS/Nat'l Fun Fly discussion that has flown about lately, I'll only say that if soaring is to survive, it must support the uninitiated, new and interested pilot. This includes kids, folks who can't afford the high-dollar ships, people who think they don't care for competition, etc. Trends in the aeromodeling hobby need to be recognized and capitalized upon if this hobby is to progress and grow. I'll support just about anything that keeps the barriers to entry to this hobby low, but the possibilities high. In the end, nothing is possible without a little help from friends. You and I know that this soaring community is one of the most helpful, generous, innovative and generally fun groups you'll ever find and I'll reiterate George's comment about volunteering, organizing, and supporting. Get out and get involved, a small step forward is still a step forward. George Voss wrote: Those of you in large cities with big clubs, don't take your members for granted. Don't make 3-4 people do all the work. Volunteer for something, organize something, show up to one of your organized events and help out. Let's get this great hobby growing! George Voss -- Ben Wilson Web Developer/Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 502.836.8551 home: 502.290.0624 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] icon for sale from Hans
from Hans W. new Icon for sale... just 10 flights... contact Hans at:[EMAIL PROTECTED] has servos installed.. your chance to get a pristine Icon RTF... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
At 07:00 PM 8/6/2005, you wrote: I agree that RES is currently not in the same league as unlimited as far as prestige goes. I still maintain that it is solely because it is treated that way by contest organizers and possibly by some of the pilots them selves. Treat it like it was a National class event and it will be. Treat it like a fun fly and it will be. The class won't change the perception. Only the participants and organizers can do that. alright... Mayor Glover (of gloverville) and dogcatcher Steve never bring chairs to the flight-line again! JoJo, if you come back to the NATS you MUST fly every flight with the TX in your hand... no more letting the plane thermal itself for 6-7 minutes... it's not championship intensity... and.. Jim Thomas.. yeah you... letting Tom Kallevang sit on your lap and sticking your tongues out.. yeah there are pictures WHAT WERE YOU GUYS THINKING? where's the championship intensity? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] dayton flying sites
Hello' Im traveling from Cleveland to the Dayton area on a college tour for my daughter. i may have some down time and i always love to vist rc shops and flying fields. Any suggestions about either? I tried the ama directory but less help in finding electric or glider sites. I thought there was one near Wright Pat. Bill Snow
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
Previously in this thread: Mayor Glover (of gloverville) and dogcatcher Steve never bring chairs to the flight-line again! JoJo, if you come back to the NATS you MUST fly every flight with the TX in your hand... no more letting the plane thermal itself for 6-7 minutes... it's not championship intensity... and.. Jim Thomas.. yeah you... letting Tom Kallevang sit on your lap and sticking your tongues out.. yeah there are pictures WHAT WERE YOU GUYS THINKING? where's the championship intensity? Hmm.. maybe a little more levity and a little less championship intensity might make Unlimited just a bit more palatable? Oh maybe without the lapsitting? Jim Deck -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
Gosh, I was with you for a while there Mike. But you lost me when you mentioned Tom sitting on Jim's lap and sticking out their tongues. Can't say I'm supportive of that! WOW, that's disturbing picture. Gentlemen! Some decorum please! Bill Swingle Janesville, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Levity!
maybe a little more levity little less championship intensity Oh maybe without the lapsitting? Yes to all of the above. Heck you guys are sounding more and more like a bunch of foamie fliers! Which, come to think of it, isn't a bad thing. Bravo the levity! Bill Swingle RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
The picture can be found here... http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/natsnews05/pdfs/0730.pdf At 05:56 PM 8/8/2005, you wrote: Gosh, I was with you for a while there Mike. But you lost me when you mentioned Tom sitting on Jim's lap and sticking out their tongues. Can't say I'm supportive of that! WOW, that's disturbing picture. Gentlemen! Some decorum please! Bill Swingle Janesville, CA Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Winch for Sale
See the RC Groups Link Below for details http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=402573#post4138101 Tracy Castell
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
Careful Mike, you're going to ruin your reputation as a fun guy! For the record, at the request of launch-meister and grad wazoo of the flight line, Jim Thomas, I brought the chairs to the flight line. That's my smiling face with the stop watch in the pix. Happily, both of these fine guys have their nice stable RES ships parked in thermals and were winding down the contest. It was one of the more fun moments of the contest for me. I can't tell if your tongue is firmly in cheek here, or if you really think RES isn't worthy. 60+ guys did and seemed to enjoy the experience, most wanted more rounds; seems reasonable. As to the contest intensity, I think that many brought it to the line, ask Tom Scully and particularly, Johnny Berlin who helped me find some lift when I was at about 100 feet with 5 minutes to go and a possible trophy on the line. Suffice it to say the pucker factor was high and I worked hard for that 10 minutes. Look at the scores, the top 15 all had time, plus landing; not easy for me, or you. I still think RES has a great deal of positive energy around the event, many new airplanes that are fun to fly, and that show an advance in construction and design. People vote with their feet and pocket book, I saw lots of 2M's that had been dusted off for the NATS and lots of new designs and new planes in RES. I'm happy enough to see 2M continue, but still believe that RES deserves a full day. Most likely a simple enough thing for the contest board to sort out. No matter how it shakes out, I'm just happy to be there and flying in a great, well run contest. Barry On Aug 8, 2005, at 6:42 PM, Mike Stump wrote: At 07:00 PM 8/6/2005, you wrote: I agree that RES is currently not in the same league as unlimited as far as prestige goes. I still maintain that it is solely because it is treated that way by contest organizers and possibly by some of the pilots them selves. Treat it like it was a National class event and it will be. Treat it like a fun fly and it will be. The class won't change the perception. Only the participants and organizers can do that. alright... Mayor Glover (of gloverville) and dogcatcher Steve never bring chairs to the flight-line again! JoJo, if you come back to the NATS you MUST fly every flight with the TX in your hand... no more letting the plane thermal itself for 6-7 minutes... it's not championship intensity... and.. Jim Thomas.. yeah you... letting Tom Kallevang sit on your lap and sticking your tongues out.. yeah there are pictures WHAT WERE YOU GUYS THINKING? where's the championship intensity? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Lamenting the lack of available sailplane builder's kits
Can someone point me in the direction of some good sailplane kits? I dont mean floaters. I mean good, high-quality wood kits, with maybe a fiberglass fuse, for high-performance full-house sailplanes. I ask this question because I cant find any such kits anywhere. Does anyone make them? I prefer to build my own aircraft; no ARFs or ARCs for me. Im currently building an Alcyone 3M and a two-meter Prophet, both of which are from kits that I acquired some years ago. The Alcyone 3M was in production when I got the kit as a gift, and my guess is the particular Prophet kit I have was kitted in the 1980s; I acquired it from someone who sold me a pair of Prophet kits: one a 2m, and the other a 2.5m. Neither the Alcyone series nor the Prophet series of kits is in production today, and that disappoints me. When I started building RC sailplanes in the mid-1980s, builders kits abounded. Nowadays, if its in a box, its probably an ARF or ARC. I have plenty of sets of full-sized plans to keep me busy scratch-building for a few years, given my slow rate of production. But it sure would be nice to see something like Harleys Genie in a builders kit (I plan to build one from scratch, given that I already have a set of cores for it). Do any of you remember the Sailfish or Heat Seeker or Jouster or Runaway? You can get the plans for these sailplanes, but you cant get them in kits. What has happened to the kit market? Are there no profits in the kit business. Or am I just looking in the wrong places? Scott Martin Chandler, Ariz.
Re: [RCSE] Levity
Oh how perverse am I. I didn't like the thought of that tongue picture. And yet I couldn't stay away and had to look at it. I'm ashamed at my lack of will power. However, I'm also relieved! The photo reveals that Tom is actually just sitting on Jim's knee. And, only one tongue is protruding outward. Plus, it's in more of a jubilant gesture in response to the assumed plane that he is implied to be flying. Much more innocent, if not adolescent, than was indicated by the initial verbal description. This is good. I feel much better now. Thanks Jim for posting the photo. But it definitely makes them look like foamie pilots! The rules for thermal flying are very clear that that much fun is only allow under the most constrained of circumstances. They were fortunate that an official was nearby to witness their violation. :-) Bill Swingle RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Nats championship intensity
Yep, I admit it. I go to the Nats for one reason. I'm there to have fun. Flying toy gliders at contests is fun, hanging out with my many friends is fun, drinking the occasional beer is fun. Sitting ina chair while flying RES at the Nats is fun.Winning trophies is fun too, near as I recall (it's been a while, but Cheesy Woman says I have enough anyway). Fun fly? I laugh at the concept. Intensity? I gave up on being a stress puppy a while back. There have been times in my life when"intensity" was appropriate, but toy airplane contests don't seem to be a good reason to get "intense" to me. If you want intensity join theArmy and go to Iraq. If you're lucky they might even let you play with toy planes, in a very intense and competitive way. happy trails - Rob Glover
Re: [RCSE] Lamenting the lack of available sailplane builder's kits
Southern Sailplanes has some nice kits: http://www.southernsailplanes.com.au/ --On 8 August 2005 3:56:08 PM -0700 Scott and Jennifer Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ask this question because I can’t find any such kits anywhere. Does anyone make them? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats championship intensity
Hey I would be happy if all sit in chairs. I would not feel lonely being the only one. Bet they were not in chairs when they landed. I would like to see all do that. I might all of a sudden look competitive. Cal PosthumaLSF VVPersonal Web Pagehttp://www.altelco.net/~calplsf/index.htmlHome of Solenoid LED's - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 8:09 PM Subject: [RCSE] Nats "championship intensity" Yep, I admit it. I go to the Nats for one reason. I'm there to have fun. Flying toy gliders at contests is fun, hanging out with my many friends is fun, drinking the occasional beer is fun. Sitting ina chair while flying RES at the Nats is fun.Winning trophies is fun too, near as I recall (it's been a while, but Cheesy Woman says I have enough anyway). Fun fly? I laugh at the concept. Intensity? I gave up on being a stress puppy a while back. There have been times in my life when"intensity" was appropriate, but toy airplane contests don't seem to be a good reason to get "intense" to me. If you want intensity join theArmy and go to Iraq. If you're lucky they might even let you play with toy planes, in a very intense and competitive way. happy trails - Rob Glover
Re: [RCSE] Nats championship intensity
Jim Thomas landed while sitting on the ground one round. Cal is right - sitting down makes flying/landing harder. Happy trails - Rob Glover In a message dated 8/8/2005 8:06:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey I would be happy if all sit in chairs. I would not feel lonely being the only one. Bet they were not in chairs when they landed. I would like to see all do that. I might all of a sudden look competitive. Cal Posthuma LSF VV Personal Web Page http://www.altelco.net/~calplsf/index.html Home of Solenoid LED's RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Text only AOL posts - it can be done
Al, I haven't post in a long time, since switching to OS X anyway, so here is a test of aol on OS X. How's it look, any HTML junk on the end? Stan In a message dated 8/8/05 12:17:15 PM, Al Nephew writes: On my last post regarding this topic I expressed ignorance about the Mac. So just now I tested a Mac post using AOL 5.0. It sent only text with no modifications needed. However, my older Mac G4 uses OS 9.2, so I can't run the latest AOL on it--the newer AOL is so much better that I do email on a PC until the day when I give in and go to OS X. Probably the same (i.e., no problem) with OS X, but someone running that might like to report on it. When I got back from a trip last week and was checking old RCSE digests, I noted that there was a discussion a week or two ago regarding this, with the apparently widely held belief expressed that AOL can't suppress HTML, thus printing text followed by gibberish which takes several screens of clicking until the reader gets past it. In fact, if HTML can be eliminated from an AOL post by right clicking and selecting "text" with a PC, it should be possible with any email program. Al Nephew Duluth, MN
Re: [RCSE] Lamenting the lack of available sailplane builder's kits
I don't think this is unique to sailplanes. In all areas, most of what you get is ARF. Overseas labor is so cheap, you get complete models for the price of making a kit in the US. And the vast majority of pilots don't have any time to build anyway. You can find a few kits at polecataero. And skybench has plenty if you like nostalgia. But designing a high performance full house model in wood went away 10 years ago. You can find fuselages out there and there are some good bagging videos if you want to scratch build. Check out the Charles River RC site and pick any one of Mark Drela's designs and build it. You won't be disappointed. Just don't try to improve on the structure or materials selection. Maybe a little building will come back with the current exchange rate for the Euro. That has bumped up the price of the imports a lot. Gone are the days of a $600 fully molded model. Scott and Jennifer Martin wrote: Can someone point me in the direction of some good sailplane kits? I don't mean floaters. I mean good, high-quality wood kits, with maybe a fiberglass fuse, for high-performance full-house sailplanes. I ask this question because I can't find any such kits anywhere. Does anyone make them? I prefer to build my own aircraft; no ARFs or ARCs for me. I'm currently building an Alcyone 3M and a two-meter Prophet, both of which are from kits that I acquired some years ago. The Alcyone 3M was in production when I got the kit as a gift, and my guess is the particular Prophet kit I have was kitted in the 1980s; I acquired it from someone who sold me a pair of Prophet kits: one a 2m, and the other a 2.5m. Neither the Alcyone series nor the Prophet series of kits is in production today, and that disappoints me. When I started building RC sailplanes in the mid-1980s, builders' kits abounded. Nowadays, if it's in a box, it's probably an ARF or ARC. I have plenty of sets of full-sized plans to keep me busy scratch-building for a few years, given my slow rate of production. But it sure would be nice to see something like Harley's Genie in a builder's kit (I plan to build one from scratch, given that I already have a set of cores for it). Do any of you remember the Sailfish or Heat Seeker or Jouster or Runaway? You can get the plans for these sailplanes, but you can't get them in kits. What has happened to the kit market? Are there no profits in the kit business. Or am I just looking in the wrong places? Scott Martin Chandler, Ariz. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
Take a look at this picture. Shows the 2nd place pilot in unlimited flying his 6-servo plane during the heat and intensity of the Unlimited contest at the NATS this month. http://www.knology.net/~jstone/nats/dp.jpg Looks pretty intense to me. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Lamenting the lack of available sailplane builder's kits
Just so you all know, I just bought the CARA and Resolution designs from Ed Whyte. The CARA is a composite fuselage with built up wing. MH32 airfoil and carbon tube spar. The RESolution has been redesigned from it's original foam core wing to a composite fuselage with built up wing and again, carbon tube spar. I am further changing it to have a MH 32 airfoil like the CARA. I also currently have the Mirage short kit, soon to be a full kit, the original Mark's Models Mini Bird of Time 2 meter and the 1.5 meter Zephyr II old school HLG. I also have many other kit designs in the wings as time permits. I will say though that there is only a small demand for kits these days. I can keep doing it because I do not rely on them solely to keep the business afloat or to pay to develop new kits. At heart I'm a wood kit guy and I will keep what I can alive and available. Mark Miller Isthmus Models --- Scott and Jennifer Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can someone point me in the direction of some good sailplane kits? I don't mean floaters. I mean good, high-quality wood kits, with maybe a fiberglass fuse, for high-performance full-house sailplanes. I ask this question because I can't find any such kits anywhere. Does anyone make them? I prefer to build my own aircraft; no ARFs or ARCs for me. I'm currently building an Alcyone 3M and a two-meter Prophet, both of which are from kits that I acquired some years ago. The Alcyone 3M was in production when I got the kit as a gift, and my guess is the particular Prophet kit I have was kitted in the 1980s; I acquired it from someone who sold me a pair of Prophet kits: one a 2m, and the other a 2.5m. Neither the Alcyone series nor the Prophet series of kits is in production today, and that disappoints me. When I started building RC sailplanes in the mid-1980s, builders' kits abounded. Nowadays, if it's in a box, it's probably an ARF or ARC. I have plenty of sets of full-sized plans to keep me busy scratch-building for a few years, given my slow rate of production. But it sure would be nice to see something like Harley's Genie in a builder's kit (I plan to build one from scratch, given that I already have a set of cores for it). Do any of you remember the Sailfish or Heat Seeker or Jouster or Runaway? You can get the plans for these sailplanes, but you can't get them in kits. What has happened to the kit market? Are there no profits in the kit business. Or am I just looking in the wrong places? Scott Martin Chandler, Ariz. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
At 10:22 PM -0500 8/8/05, Jon Stone wrote: Take a look at this picture. Shows the 2nd place pilot in unlimited flying his 6-servo plane during the heat and intensity of the Unlimited contest at the NATS this month. http://www.knology.net/~jstone/nats/dp.jpg Looks pretty intense to me. I guess he should be DQ for not holding his tx while flying in unlimited. or not stand on his feet...and he is not even sweating while flying what kind of image did he project for people flying unlimited. Ha, what this world is coming totsk,tsk,tsk.. I think he should ban from flying unlimited. I would not even let him fly in the RES class, and he lost sight of his plane in 2M. Brian -- B. Chan Lost in the world of bureaucratic lead tape, and sinking RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
Big D, With that GREAT picture, you're my hero again! Ron RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
That's a great photo of DP doing his thing... But, he is still going straight to hell. Bozo Getting what I deserve... Spanking is a good thing...right? Stabs don't weigh 1.5 oz either. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Re: Lamenting the lack of available sailplane builder's kits
Thanks for your post ! I'm one of those vanishing weirdos who enjoy (and make the time for) building every bit as much as flying. And you've hit an issue right on the head. Today's builders are equipment installers, the market has responded in kind, and you're left to cope. I know, I know ... I'm sounding like a brain-damaged, nitrate-dope-sniffing geezer. That aside, I've occasionally been seduced into immediate gratification as well, I really like my Soprano, so I'm no saint in that respect. But, IMHO, you won't get a more satisfying and rewarding TD building experience than one of Harley's Genies. You get to do the cool stuff, like bagging a wing. The rest of it, fuselage and tail feathers, is balsa/plywood/monokote heaven. And you end up with a kick-ass plane in the process. That's what attracted me to Harley's designs in the first place, it's the best of both worlds and the best way for a builder to deal with the world as it is. Materials: $300 Time: 200 hours (I build slow and am easily distracted) Having some ask Where did you buy it? Priceless Loren RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] RES not for the elite
That's a great photo of DP doing his thing... But, he is still going straight to hell. That is a cool pic. Thanks whoever took it. And guys... I've done that at the world's. 10 minutes can be a really long time... especially when no-one will bring you a chair... ;-) thx, D Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
