[RCSE] Looking for Stylus 50 model memory card
Any one have an extra they wish to part with for a reasonable price? Contact me off line, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] RE: DO NOT SIGN UP FOR THE SOARING MASTERS....Early!
August 31 postmark is the drop-dead date. tk --- On Mon, 8/11/08, Jim McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jim McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] RE: DO NOT SIGN UP FOR THE SOARING MASTERSEarly! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 10:35 AM Yes, the Turkish group is coming. They are also going to drag that German guy Philip what's his name who just won Holland Glide David Hobby from down under is expected to show as well. A real strong line-up. Where oh where is DP? I didn't see his name on the list? Ben Wilson, I am awaiting your entry too. Jim McCarthy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:49 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Jim McCarthy Subject: DO NOT SIGN UP FOR THE SOARING MASTERSEarly! Hi guys, I have it on bad authority that those guys who sign up at the last minute will get better fitting T shirts! The goal is 100 (you know like the movie 400...but less). There are about 80 spots left. The top Turks are coming, it would be great to get Jojo back but we'd need to get him an airline ticket I think. Might have some Aussies, Canadians, and even some guys from Illinios. Sorry the top Olympic Volley Beach Volley Ball team is already committed elsewhere so its for surethey won't be there. :-( So here's the dealif you haven't signed up yet, get your registration in! Jim McCarthy is dying to get the registration done and locked...so help him out. Be warned you will be flying against Louisville Soaring phenom, little Lee! (yes he is already signed up!) Contact Jim McCarthy directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] via email if not with your registration, at least to let him know you ARE indeed attending. That will help him and organizers make plans, they want this one to be everything a Masters event can be! Get away from the television and post him a note! See you there! Gordy Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut0005000 017 . RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] What Time Is It in Muncie?
Gents: I gotta drive over to Muncie on Saturday morning. What time zone is Muncie using this year? Eastern Standard Daylight Savings, or Central Daylight Savings or Local Option Crapshoot Indiana Time Zone Roulette Time? I gotta adjust my sundial before leaving home! Tom H. Nagel Judicium Procurator Recuperatio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] big sale
I agree, great stuff. It's a bit of a drive for me also. If you ever wish to ship, let us all know. Tom -Original Message- From: Ed Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 5:34 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] big sale Great items. If you get to the point where you would be willing to ship things, let us know. CA is a bit of a drive from NY. Best regards, Ed Anderson - Original Message - Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 00:01:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Gavin Baskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], soaring@airage.com Subject: big sale Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Barry and Gavin Baskin are clearing house. =0APlanes, chargers, transmitte= rs, etc. for sale.=0AWe haven=E2=80=99t used this stuff in a long time and = it is a shame to see it sitting in the garage.=0A=0AThe items are for sale = on ebay. The auctions end Sunday night so act fast.=0AThe items are found h= ere:=0A=0A http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZgbcp01 -- RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] F3J Team Raffle/ Merchandise Last Call
Hi Jim, Thanks for YOUR EFFORT as TM. I don't think many realize the effort needed as a successful TM and especially as Fund Raiser! Great Job Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com http://www.f3x.com/ 949-645-7032 -Original Message- From: Jim Monaco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:12 PM To: 'RCSE' Subject: RE: [RCSE] F3J Team Raffle/ Merchandise Last Call DOH - the website is http://www.usf3jteam.com http://www.usf3jteam.com/ Thanks - Jim _ From: Jim Monaco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 11:11 AM To: 'RCSE' Subject: [RCSE] F3J Team Raffle/ Merchandise Last Call Hi folks - I am back from Turkey and it was a great event. The senior team did well despite some plane difficulties and the juniors were terrific taking home the team silver medal and the 2nd and 3rd place in the world. I will be spending several evenings tearing up tickets for the drawing. If you want in, you need to get your orders in now. I still have a pretty large stock of tee shirts that we will be selling with free shipping. We will only be shipping out items that we have in stock. We are out of the polo's and will not have any more. We don't have a magic real-time inventory system, so ff you order something and it is out of stock, I will refund your complete payment. The website will be closed for further ordering at 5:00 MDT on July 11th. Thanks for all of your support. The team and I really appreciated the cheers of support, the donations, and the merchandise purchases. YOU make it possible for us to be successful! Thanks again. Jim
[RCSE] On-board digital video equipment--source?
Guys: One of our (off line) club members is interested in acquiring one of those small Bic-lighter sized digital video cameras to put on a sailplane or an electric. Can anyone give me some references to sources for those things? Thanks, and a happy 4th to you all. Tom H. Nagel Judicium Procurator Recuperatio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] The Flamingoid Lives!
Friday night was our local club's annual Summer Solstice Jim Clark Memorial After 6 thermal contest. Best total of three flights after 6 p.m. wins.We had a large turnout, and did a special flyover in honor of our recently deceased president emeritus Hugh Rogers. We got as many of Hugh's planes in the air as possible, including one he had just finished a few days before going into the hospital. Hugh's daughters and extended family were on hand. The Infamous Flamingoid had a bad night, though. It took a perch in the very top of a 45 foot tall maple back in the brambles and thorn bushes between the field and Walnut Street. I shouldn't have been surprised. Flamingoids are known to nest at this time of year. We know for a fact that it was a 45 foot tall tree because Jay Watkins has a 40 foot collapsable pole, and when we full extended it and reached up as high as possible, we were just able to touch the underside of the flamingoid. That bird was not coming down, and I couldn't get up into the tree to convince it otherwise. I limped home Friday night, disappointed in my own loss of depth perception and suffering from the slings and arrows of outrageous Sovereign landing patterns. Saturday morning Don Herbert and I returned to the scene of the crime, with a stepladder, climbing pegs, a throw rope, pruners, a bush saw and implements of destruction. I climbed about half way up the tree and used half the pole to gently poke the Flamingo out of its nest. In a remarkably short time it started to slide down the outside of the tree---Tail First! Oh no! I thought---Fractured tail feathers! Fissures of the fuselage. Then at the last second the hooked Flamingo neck and beak snagged a low hanging branch. The Flamingoid wound up hanging by its beak just above the bushes. The pole pruner nudged it down to a safe landing. No damage! Overnight in a tree top, a 45 foot slide back to the bushes and it is as good as new. I realize, that isn't all that good to start with, but it is a happy ending to the tale nevertheless. And as always, there is a moral to the story- as a famous German Bauhaus industrial designer once said: :Form Follows Funky. Or something like that. Tom H. Nagel Judicium Procurator Recuperatio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] US F3J Team Merchandise to Stay Available
Keep it open Jim, I know many on RCSE will wake up early each day to check out the scores and that will sometimes will stoke the fire! Good Luck!!! Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com http://www.f3x.com/ 949-645-7032 -Original Message- From: Jim Monaco [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 7:51 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] US F3J Team Merchandise to Stay Available Thanks to everyone for your support. I have decided to not close the F3J merchandise website this Friday as planned. We are making great progress on the goal and are currently about $1500 from our initial budget. Our last uncontrollable expense will be excess baggage charges for our models for the trip to Turkey. I had budgeted a substantial increase from the previous cycle, but the outlook of hitting that number is looking glum. Last cycle only a few pilots got dinged with excess baggage and they were only in the $75-$125 range. This year we have one more pilot and the excess baggage situation looks pretty grim. We have heard of the possibility of charges as high as $500 each way for our model boxes. What actually happens at the airports is really up to the gate agents and skycaps. We are hoping for some mercy, but need to be prepared for the worst. As a result I am keeping the merchandise site open though our return when we will have the final numbers for our expenses. It feels like a small miracle to be as close to the goal as we are and we want to thank everyone that has supported us, and there are too many to name individually, but between the donors listed on the website and each and everyone that has purchased raffle tickets or merchandise, we are eternally grateful! If you have not purchased any tickets or merchandise, we would still appreciate your support. And should be overachieve, any remaining funds will be placed in the team fund for the benefit of the next cycle. Tickets and merchandise can be purchased at: http://www.usf3jteam.com http://www.usf3jteam.com/ Thanks a bunch. Jim Monaco US F3J Team Manager 2008
[RCSE] Bill Bryson with FAA Clearance
Guys: I picked up a book that would probably appeal to most of you: Hard Air by W. Scott Olsen. Olsen writes like Bill Bryson with a private pilot's license. He writes about hard air flying, hurricane hunters, forest fire tanker pilots, medi-vac helicopter flights, bush pilots in the far northern arctic reaches flying rescue missions out on the ice. Maybe he should cover some of the OVSS contest weekends, too. Give it a look: ISBN 978-8032-1144-4 Tom H. Nagel Judicium Procurator Recuperatio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] 60 F3J contest at Dayton Sunday
Sounds like fun Ed! Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com http://www.f3x.com/ 949-645-7032 -Original Message- From: Ed Franz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:49 PM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] 60 F3J contest at Dayton Sunday Hello all, This Sunday I am holding a 60 F3J contest at Dayton Ohio. All flights will be off of mini Hi-Starts, so it's time to bring out that old javelin H/L to fly again! The contest will be in an F3J rules type MoM format. So dust off that old H/L, put a hook on it and come join the fun. The contest will start around 11, I will be there around 9 so that you can trim out your plane on the Hi-Starts. Ed Franz
RE: [RCSE] TMSS Spring Challenge Goes MOM!!
Nice!! MOM RULES!! Tom -Original Message- From: Glaab, Louis J. (LARC-D205) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:38 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] TMSS Spring Challenge Goes MOM!! Good afternoon! After some discussion and thought, the Man-On-Man format was selected for Expert and Sportsflyer for our May TMSS Spring Challenge contest in Smithfield, VA. This was a result of wanting to provide a meet that provided the most amount of soaring pleasure and satisfaction to our soaring guests. Note that the LSF-Ladder event will still be run in very Open Winch format as part of the meet with Novice and Juniors flying in that event along with the LSF-Ladder competitors. Consider yourself CHALLENGED!!! More information at: http://www.soartmss.com/id19.html Register at: http://www.flyesl.com/ Many thanks! Josh Glaab. Office phone: (757)864-1159 Home phone: (757)850-3971 Cell phone: (757)771-1073 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Fixer upper Pike Perfect
Tony, Hey, In that picture I think I see a goodnever mind. Tom Koszuta - Original Message - From: tony estep To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Looking for a contest plane Here's a Pike Perfect, a little bit of a fixer-upper: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1806429
Re: [RCSE] Looking for Carbon plate?
My usual place to get CF strips for spars is Aerospace Composite Products http://www.acp-composites.com/acp-gp.htm Good prices excellent service. But The Composite Store has more on the thinner side http://www.cstsales.com/carbon_plate.html I've kept the link, but have not ever ordered from them. Tom Koszuta Western New York Sailplane and Electric Flyers Buffalo, NY - Original Message - heavily cropped From: Craig Allen So I'm looking for some pre-made Carbon sheet 1/8 or 3/16 thick 2 to 3 inches wide and maybe 1 ft long to cut new control horns and bell-cranks out of. So if you know of a supplier I would greatly appreciate it :-)
RE: [RCSE] OT Full Scale Stuff
Nice! That's a GREAT looking Glasair! Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 7:49 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] OT Full Scale Stuff Hi Guys: Here's some fun flying stuff to whet your appetite as flying season approaches. Last weekend, Paul and I did a presentation to the local EAA chapter covering our full scale building and restoring adventures dating back to 1962! Here's a link to the videos we presented: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=47E218790F5CA813 WARNING -- Paul is topless in the Champ video! See you all at the Cincinnati Soaring Electric May Memorial -- if not sooner. Thermals, Rudy -- Rudy Siegel, AMA 131126, CD Civis Aerius Sum RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] JR 9303 Flap Programming Question
OK to set the Trailing edge in flight modes all you do is switch to the FM you want and push the little trimmers on the top face of the 9303 the direction you want the ailerons and flaps to go in that FM. These are the ones on either side of the JR logo. That's all there is to it. Once you switch back to Cruse mode the TE will return. Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 My problem is that I try adjusting the flaps in the flap rates and camber mix menus, but I don't see any change in the flaps as I move the various switches for the various flight modes. I'm trying to program a Berg 4l, berg 7 channel, and a jr700 rx. Is there something that I'm missing? I've tried to program this like I would my JR 6102, but this is an entirely different beast. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Fuselage Mold Making Supplies / Advise
If you want to make a professional mold easily try this; 1. Your master is perfect. 2. Your master has a hard finish like catalyzed polyester paint or urethane and a high polish. 3. Make a splitter board. Add locating balls or pins and bushings to the flange. 4. Make a Steel frame of 1 X 2 welded around the perimeter of the plug offset by 2.00 5. Use a good carnauba release wax, wax and buff. Let cure and repeat 4x. 6. Use Epoxy gelcoat. Add about .025 thick and even coverage. Apply with a 1/2 brush and start from one end always keeping a wet edge. 7. Mix thick (like mayonnaise) slurry of epoxy and milled fibers and attach the clean, sanded frame to the gelcoat. 8. Now the fun part. Mix a slow cure epoxy laminating resin with clean white sand. The kind used in ash trays. You can buy at the tile store. Mix the slurry until you can't add any more sand to solution. 9. Pack the sand over the gel coat while the gel coat leaves a finger print but does not come off to your finger. Pack a mix about 1.5 thick. 10. Let cure for 2 days and flip over and repeat the process. The mold is only as good as the master; the edge and parting line are only as good as the splitter. Take your time on the master and splitter. It pays off in the end 100 fold. It will take less than a gallon of resin to make a 55 glider fuselage mold. US Composites seams easy to buy from. I havent shopped there so I dont know first hand. Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 9303 Ham Module
Hi Guys, I have a NIB 03 Ham TX Module here for the 9303/10X for sale. Email me off the list if your interested. Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com http://www.f3x.com/ 949-645-7032
[RCSE] I've Built 18 planes so far this year
Guys: I have put together 18 planes so far this year, and I'm still behind. No, I have not changed professions. Here's the deal. A buddy gave me a 2008 One Paper Airplane Per Day Calendar for a late Christmas present, and I'm falling behind. So far I have done an F4F and an SR-71 and a Wildcat and an FA-18, and a Kite Plane, and a Stunt Plane and Gordy-knows all what. I am losing track! The kitchen table is getting cluttered. The dogs suspect I am nuts. I am up to my ears in paper airplanes, and already I'm a month behind. Does Muncie accept donations of unbuilt paper airplanes? Tom H. Nagel Judicium Procurator Recuperatio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Laser cut foam cutting templates
I just received a set of cores from Lazlo and I agree, he produces excellent cores, and at a reasonable price... Just call him and explain what you need. He is a great guy. Top quality product. Good Guy recommendation.!!! Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Who's still selling obechi?
I know this comes up a couple times a year, but I lost my list. If you sell or know who sells obechi, please let me know. Thanks, Tom Koszuta Western New York Sailplane and Electric Flyers Buffalo, NY
RE: [RCSE] EZ glider setup?
Out West we: Can sand bumps but keep them visible. Haven't noticed any improvement in flight. LE with tape is OK. Taps as a single layer and not 100 plies for changing the airfoil. Stock Control size only. Carbon spar OK Move Tow hook. We normalize the carbon spar by using a light zip start so no winch wars and a stock EZ launches as well as a modified EZ on these. If you winch the Carbon spar is the ticket. Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:05 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] EZ glider setup? So what's legal for EZ gliders? Sanding mold bumps? Protecting leading edges with tape? Can we make the control surfaces larger??? I find the response to be sluggish.. I am running a 2 cell lipo on the stock motor setup, climb is not fantastic, but good enough, what is the consensus for the best setup??? Mark Mech www.aerofoam.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Laser 2m question
my instructions show CG is 4 7/8 to 4 5/8 measured from the TRAILING EDGE -Original Message- From: Robglover [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 11:22 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Re: Laser 2m question I'd shoot for around 20% of the wing chord. -- Robglover happy trails - Rob G Robglover's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=22665 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=810513 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Re: Airfoil flight comparison( HN-216)?
Are these the same guys that had an issue with what end of the chute to use last week and needed the colored rings? Tom -Original Message- From: Anker Berg-Sonne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 7:32 AM To: David Webb Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: Airfoil flight comparison( HN-216)? David, Launching without turning the transmitter on is a symptom of a greater problem. You must build a routine that you consistently follow each and every time you launch, otherwise you will make this and a bunch of other mistakes. Most of the problems occur if you let yourself be rushed, either by external circumstances, or by a desire to join the gaggle in the monster thermal just off the launch. There are so many ways launches can go wrong that your proposed device may save you from one problem, but the others will be sure to bite you instead. As a reformed sinner myself I speak from bitter experience. Anker David Webb wrote: Gentlemen, I would like your feedback on something I created last season in a bit of a whim. I have been competing at various TD tasks in the Northwest over the last 3 years. Over this time I have witnessed far too many launches where the pilot after the fact admitted that he/she did not turn on the aircraft. Needless to say most of the aircraft were lost or seriously damaged. So in search of a solution I went to a local electronics shop and asked a young guy if he could give me a hand designing a safety component that might help avoid this scenario. Basically we designed a switch with a small tilt sensor and some latching circuitry. The result is this: If you remember to turn on the plane the switch works as expected. The plane powers on and off as it would normally. If you turn OFF the plane and tilt the aircraft in the desired launch angle ( this is set by the pilot) the plane turns ITSELF on and stays on until the circuit is reset by disconnecting / interrupting the battery. The draw is tiny and the circuit and switch itself 1xx .25 or double the size of a typical 20 amp RC switch. I have tested the product in the lab and i know a shop that could likely get the size down to half its current size or close to the size of a standard switch This would of course cost some money out of pocket but I am not sure if the target market is too limited to bother creating this solution for. For the most part, the elite pilots I watch either don't even use a switch or are very disciplined in their launch methodology. The target market is more appropriately general pilots who may be approaching the more senior years as well as new pilots. What do you think people? At your local club have you seen anyone toss an un-powered glider to its death? Would a product like this be of value as a replacement for the standard on off switch for your more senior members or new eager soaring enthusiasts? David Webb RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Tree Stories
Guys: I have really enjoyed the Tree Stories. First, they remind me of the incredible variety of ways that we as a group have found to screw up process of launching and flying RC sailplanes. And secondly, the stories all make me feel a whole lot less stupid than I normally appear. (Did I word that correctly? I think not. Never mind.) Tom H. Nagel Judicium Procurator Recuperatio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Real flight 3.5
Cal, In RF 4.0 it is located under CAMERA POSITION X ( handlaunch, or Bungee) Handlaunch is the default. tom -Original Message- From: Cal Posthuma [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 2:31 PM To: RSCE Subject: [RCSE] Real flight 3.5 When I use a glider like the BOT I can not get bungie style launch. All it does is glide out of your hand. I looked in instructions and saw nothing referring to launch of a sailplane. The on screen instruction is point with mouse and hit any key. I am pointing into the wind. I do not have spoilers out. Cal -- LSF V #38 and #109, AMA LSFV, Amateur License KA8CLD LSF 2997 V, 6718 V, 7740 IV working on V LSF Coordinator for West Michigan Soaring Society Former LSF President, Treasurer, Secretary Le Gray award winner 2000, Spirit of Soaring award winner 2002 Masters of Soaring winner, Dan Pruss award winner Midwest Two Meter Champion 2006, Four times MSL Champion Michigan Soaring League Secretary for 25 years AMA Leader member and Contest Director, District VII WMSS Treasurer and former President Editor of our club Newsletter for over 30 years Club Web Page: http://www.rcsoaring.org/ Personal Web Page: http://www.altelco.net/~calplsf/index.html Retired Computer Network Manager/Teacher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Need Help!
Is this a 2.4ghz F3B Skeeter with RDS in a Man on Man social event issue flying in Grey cup?? Tom -Original Message- From: Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 4:57 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Need Help! How do you safely make a downwind turn and land a Skeeter with no skeg? DW _ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http:/www.yahoo.com/r/hs your homepage.
[RCSE] New thread--- what are you building this winter?
I'm building a Genie LTS and an Allegro. What are you all building, creating, designing? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Contest Format
Wow lots of stuff here. In general contests outside the USA are well attended. Contests attendance inside the USA is diminishing. Why? Outside the USA they typically fly F3J or a local version of F3J with F3B winches that the pilots supply btw. They are strict about being on the line in time; they don't soften the task for anyone. They play hardball over there and their attendance is thriving. Inside the USA most of our formats are the same since the late 70's while our models have evolved over the last 30+ years the contests have not. Our attendance is shrinking, we give in to a sandbagger, and we don't want to change anything to keep the pilots we have coming back. We don't push ourselves to try anything new and learn something. Sure the new guy has lots to learn starting from zero but after 6 months what is next? Guys soaring is not difficult. How many of us are significantly better pilots after the first 2 or 3 years? What have you learned the last 3 years? We quit flying if the conditions get a little rough. You can choose your issue all day long as why we get board or why attendance is shrinking. BTW, Each and every contest I have been to is a social event! That's the nature of humans. We tend to have fun when we can. I would say lets play a little hardball and push our skills a bit and move up a peg. The USA was at one time a soaring leader we sure can't say that anymore. Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Contest Format
Yes, I see the same thing too. The Europeans make F3J and F3B the F1 of soaring and because they do they bring in the new guys. You will get your butt kicked when you start out and what do they do to help you? Nothing.its sink or swim. The best teacher I ever had was a good ass kicking! Getting old? Can't see? Tough, move over old man there are 50 new guys waiting to replace you. No one is complaining about buying a winch or model and in many cases it's more difficult over there to come up with Toy Money plus the cost to travel to a comp is expensive. Yes sure Europe is small but have you ever drove from Spain/France to Germany? Shoot the toll fees will exceed the cost of fuel (at 8.00+ a gallon!) yet contests are full and the parties are well worth the effort. The USA TD contest pilots are dieing. I mean literally dieing (RIP) no new blood. The writing has been on the wall for years.. Its time to read the wall. Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Contest Format A note in support of Tom's comments, I noticed that the Munich F3k Contest registration opened up last week. I was considering going over and was trying to organize it with some friends. The competition was full in 3 days 110 confirmed 15 on a back up list. I have seen this over and over in European Events. I have also noticed a younger crowd showing up. My Best regards Larry Wow lots of stuff here. In general contests outside the USA are well attended. Contests attendance inside the USA is diminishing. Why? Outside the USA they typically fly F3J or a local version of F3J with F3B winches that the pilots supply btw. They are strict about being on the line in time; they don't soften the task for anyone. They play hardball over there and their attendance is thriving. snip
[RCSE] Contest Format
So far I have deleted approximately 793 RCSE messages on the topic of Contest Format, without reading any of them after the first one or two. How about a new thread? How many RCSE readers out there are deleting all the RCSE messages captioned Contest Format without reading them. Oh. Wait a minute. Those folks won't be seeing this messge. Never mind. Tom H. Nagel Judicatum Procurator Recuperatio
[RCSE] paging: mike lachowski
Hi Mike can you send me an email with your ph number I need a favor. Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com http://www.f3x.com/ 949-645-7032
[RCSE] Seasons GPS Greetings
Gentlemen, and Gordy: At this auspicious time of year, the Winter Solstice, may I extend seasons greetings and warmest wishes for the gradual lessening of all of your GPS symptoms, as the sunlight gradually extends to those of us in the northern reaches of the planet. And, if you find yourself in the depths of GPS this winter, please remember in the immortal words of Buzz Aldrin: The sun is always shining, if you have sufficient altitude. (Or maybe that was Buzz Lightyear, I forget.) Tom H. Nagel Attorney Columbus, OH
[RCSE] Good Guy Alert
Guys: I bounced my Sirius Pro charger off the concrete floor; it still worked, sort of, but was a little flakey. It had definitely slid down the scale a bit from JR Spektrum toward Used Air Hog in terms of reliability. So I emailed George Joy at Peak Electronics, and he said ship it on out. He had it back in a week or 10 days all fixed up at a minimal cost. Thanks George. Tom H. Nagel Attorney Columbus, OH 614-224-8339
RE: [RCSE] Re: JR 9303 Set-Up Help
You may like this also: http://www.f3x.com/htdocs/howto/9303.htm Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 -Original Message- From: sleep4 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:37 AM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Re: JR 9303 Set-Up Help Try these links. http://www.horizonhobby.com/Articles/Article.aspx?ArticleID=1459 http://www.horizonhobby.com/Articles/Article.aspx?ArticleID=1432 -- sleep4 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Discounts on JR 2.4 systems ?
Hello, JR products are MAP priced so no one can advertise below a set cost. Big Lift! Tom Copp Composite Specialties JR Dealer! www.f3x.com 949-645-7032 -Original Message- From: Doug McLaren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 9:02 AM To: Steve Gibson Cc: RCSoaring Exchange Subject: Re: [RCSE] Discounts on JR 2.4 systems ? On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 10:22:28AM -0600, Steve Gibson wrote: |Does anybody discount the 2.4 JR 9303 systems below Horizons direct |order pricing ? The best price I'm aware of is at http://www.toddsmodels.com/, where a X9303 2.4 A/S Tx w/DSM 9 Ch Rx No SXS Mode 2 is $530. I believe the Horzion price for that is $630. Looks like shipping is $11. The general sentiment that I've seen about Todd's Models on rcgroups has been very positive. -- Doug McLaren, [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Similes, not Landmarks
Guys: I think what the group has been groping for is what English Majors call similes. Not landmarks, similies. As in: Floats like a butterfly Stings like a bee. Sucks like a 2 meter Klingberg Wing. Folds like a Bird of Time ARF or Invisible like the Duck I won at the NATS volunteer raffle. Tom H. Nagel Columbus, Ohio
[RCSE] Thorn Substitute
Dear Gordy: Solid lead would be easier to work with. Softer, and no splinters. Sort of a lead sled. I thought I had a source lined up for surplus Chinese lead ingots, but it turns out they were contaminated with toys. Tom H. Nagel Judicium Procurator Recuperatio
[RCSE] I know its early, but have the dates for the 2008 Nats been set?
My son's scout troop is starting to plan a week in the mountains around the end of July next year and I am trying to figure out if I can participate. It would just figure that it would be the same week as the soaring Nats. Tom Koszuta Western New York Sailplane and Electric Flyers Buffalo, NY
[RCSE] A little perspective, please
Soaring is not everything. It just seems like that. Turn the sound up and get a grip. http://dingo.care-mail.com/cards/flash/5409/galaxy.swf Tom H. Nagel Judicium Procurator Recuperatio http://dingo.care-mail.com/cards/flash/5409/galaxy.swf
[RCSE] I have scale planes that cost as much
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1963-Schleicher-Ka-6CR-Sailplane-ready-to-fly-glider_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ26428QQihZ010QQitemZ200048240344QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW KA-6 full scale for $4500. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] I have scale planes that cost as much
That's my point. T - Original Message - From: Brian Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] I have scale planes that cost as much May be someone should tell him this is a 1: 1 model? :) Brian At 4:36 PM -0500 11/16/06, Marc Gellart wrote: The scarey part is that George Voss has the high bid at 107 bucks, that cheap guy is even worse than me, I would at least bid $110 Marc -Original Message- From: John Roe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Nov 16, 2006 12:35 PM To: Soaring@airage.com, Tom Broeski tom@inventorforhire.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] I have scale planes that cost as much Here's a bunch of deals: http://www.wingsandwheels.com/wantads1.htm something for every budget... john roe ZR www.roenation.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- -- * Brian Chan, * AFDD Instrumentation Group, US Army Research Support * Ames Research Center, Mail Stop-215-2, * Bldg 215 Room 120 * Moffett Field, CA 94035-1000* 650-604-0389 FAX 650-604-5173 * e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 11/15/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] [RCSE]Jack Abramoff reports late to Cumberland Slope Fly
According to news reports, disgraced uber-lobbyist Jack Abramoff has shown up ten days late for the Cumberland slope for fun event. Tom H. NagelColumbus, OHhttp://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/4336348.html Jack Abramoff reports to Md. prison Chron.com - Houston Chronicle.url Description: Binary data
Re: [RCSE] Wanted: Plans for MAD Highlander
I have a new kit and it has instructions and pictures, but they are not to scale. Do you want a copy of the instructions, or are you looking for actual plans? Tom - Original Message - From: td [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2006 6:41 PM Subject: [RCSE] Wanted: Plans for MAD Highlander Please does anyone outthere have a set of plans for the Highlander? would also consider a used/abused Highlander and of course if anyone had a kit they would part withI would be most grateful!!! thanks RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.31/522 - Release Date: 11/7/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Cumberland
Skip, You bringing your Taborca?? I've had mine finished for over a year and have yet to fly it. Will there be a tow plane there this year? Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Stylus
http://cgi.ebay.com/AIR-TRONICS-TRANSMITTER-STYLUS-GREAT-CONDITION_W0QQitemZ250041842091QQihZ015QQcategoryZ34056QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - Original Message - From: Michael Morjoseph To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 4:01 PM Subject: [RCSE] WTB.Stylus GLider-Mem Card Looking for a Stylus 50 Mem Card and a Glider Card for a Friend Let me know what you have and the Price thanks Mike.M Team SWSA No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 10/27/2006
[RCSE] 3 cells or 4?
Getting ready for duration slope flight. Would it be okay to use a 3000 mAh sub C three cell pack instead of a 4 cell pack. 2 Standard servos in Gemini. Could also use Alkaline, or lithium with voltage regulator, but the three cell sub-C fit without modification to plane. Heard that 3 cells last longer than 4. Need some opinions. T RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Elemental problem
Bill Grenoble, please ping me. I have an "Elemental" problem that is soaring related. Thanks Tom H. NagelJudicatum Procurator Recuperatio
RE: [RCSE] Own a Multiplex Radio?
I agree Hobby Horse are fast and good people to deal with on the phone as well. They also carry TX crystals. Definitely a GOOD VENDOR! Tom Moore -Original Message- From: Jim Deck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 1:29 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] Own a Multiplex Radio? Any Multiplex radio owners, take note. Hobby Horse in Madison, Wisconsin can supply your needs - even stuff for the Cockpit radios. And they do it fast!! HiTec/Multiplex referred me to them. Jim Deck Jim Deck RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Tow Plane- release system
http://www.hobby-lobby.com/towing.htm - Original Message - From: David Reese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring listserver soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 5:41 PM Subject: [RCSE] Tow Plane- release system I have a friend in Chile that would like to purchase (from a USA vendor) a tow release system for a towplane. Any suggestions? Thanks, Dave RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/476 - Release Date: 10/14/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] 1000 W generator $149
http://heartlandamerica.com/ http://heartlandamerica.com/browse/item.asp?product=1000-watt-gas-generatorPIN=33603GUID=51430674-5E55-4236-B37B-F301E5A1B514DL=HWH1 Ran across this and think it would be perfect for keeping contest batteries charged. My Honda 1000 cost $800. Figure at this price you can't go wrong. 1000 w keeps my TV VCR/CD and a couple lights going during power outages also. T
Re: [RCSE] JR XP8103 TX Sold!
TX is sold. Thanks for looking. Tom Watson wrote: JR 8103 w/digital trims, no module. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Woody Ladder task with fly off for Wood Crafters 07
Not very ladder like, but should do the trick. The only other thing would be a 10 min flight silent timed (means you have to count in your head and your timer only tells you your time after you land). We've done this before for shorter times and I think Ed Arnauden was within a couple of seconds. T - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 8:08 PM Subject: [RCSE] Woody Ladder task with fly off for Wood Crafters 07 this is what I came up with for a fly off task for those pilots that qualify for the fly off. two rounds.each in a 17 minute window.. of two flights each round: First Round : One 2 minute AMA precision duration task and one 10 minute AMA precision duration task. Pilot calls the flight during the first minute after launch.25 ft. 100 point landing tape. Second Round : One 2 minute AMA precision duration task and one 8 minute AMA precision duration task. Pilot calls the flight during the first minute after launch.25 ft. 100 point landing tape. Ray Hayes SkyBench.com Home of Wood Crafters 07 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.2/472 - Release Date: 10/11/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Ladder task for woody contests ( or any type of construction)
That makes a lot of sense. You can try it out at the Woodcrafters next year : ) T - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Broeski tom@inventorforhire.com; soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Ladder task for woody contests ( or any type of construction) Tom, Maybe a good way to add some more spark to this event and lower the fatigue factor (been there and done that) is the CD could determine a max level of steps or a predetermined cut off and have a fly off of the top five or some number of contestants. Probably base the number to qualify for the fly off on the total number of contestants. what do you think ? Ray Hayes http://www.skybench.com Home of Wood Crafters - Original Message - From: Tom Broeski tom@inventorforhire.com To: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]; soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Ladder task for woody contests ( or any type of construction) They had it at Lancaster Woody in August, and some of the pilots were too wiped out to come back and fly the next day for the standard TD. It is a great task, but can be really grueling. I clocked nearly 5 hours of air time to get a 31 min flight. (Object is not to fly 24.5 min of a 25 min flight). Three minute spread would definitely be better. Don't forget to have a required lunch break to keep the pilots from killing themselves. T - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: [RCSE] Ladder task for woody contests ( or any type of construction) Here is something different for sailplane contests that has a lot of flying time and is all about soaring, although a optional landing task can be included. I prefer the three minute ladder after running the two minute ladder for a couple of years at Wood Crafters RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/470 - Release Date: 10/10/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] FS: JR XP8103 TX
JR 8103 w/digital trims, no module. Used less than one season, excellent condition. No scratches, dings or other nonsense. Equipped with 1650 MAh NiMH pack. $150 shipped to ConUS. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Spektrum Range Test *********
What speed controller? There have been some problems with some Castle Creations controllers and interference that cuts range. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:53 AM Subject: [RCSE] Spektrum Range Test * Earlier today I was flying my Electric Eclipse. I use brushless motor on my Eclipse, and have a Spektrum radio. I think I was getting glitched when I took it upquite high (I am guessing about 500 feet altitude). Have any RCSE members experienced glitching also with the Spektrum radio system? Cheers ... Tom No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.13.1/466 - Release Date: 10/7/2006
Re: [RCSE] Ladder task for woody contests ( or any type of construction)
They had it at Lancaster Woody in August, and some of the pilots were too wiped out to come back and fly the next day for the standard TD. It is a great task, but can be really grueling. I clocked nearly 5 hours of air time to get a 31 min flight. (Object is not to fly 24.5 min of a 25 min flight). Three minute spread would definitely be better. Don't forget to have a required lunch break to keep the pilots from killing themselves. T - Original Message - From: Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: [RCSE] Ladder task for woody contests ( or any type of construction) Here is something different for sailplane contests that has a lot of flying time and is all about soaring, although a optional landing task can be included. I prefer the three minute ladder after running the two minute ladder for a couple of years at Wood Crafters RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Getting Bombed at MOSS Field
It was a beautiful early October day at MOSS field, the little berry patch out northeast of Columbus that our new member Gil Perez calls "The Tree Farm" We had clear blue skies, light winds, lgreat thermal lift, a handful of club members, a few visitors to the field and spiders. Lots and lots of SPIDERS! I think these things are called parachute spiders. They sit in the bushes and tree tops and spin out long lengths of spider silk, and when a thermal comes through they go sailing off across the sky. Our planes were coming back with hundreds of strands of spider silk (and presumably some pretty pissed of spiders) draped across the wings. One of the families that strolled by on their way to hike down by the lake had two sons; so we broke out the Air Hogs and did some recruiting. Dad and the older boy both flew air hogs successfully and I have a feeling we may see them again. And we got bombed. I have been wanting to experiment with "bomb drop" as an event for our electric flying. I had made up some fiber board disks about 2 1/2" in diameter, painted white with a big red X and a hole drilled in the midde. We strapped light dowel rodsto the fuselage of some planes just aft of the wings (vertically, like little antennae) and dropped a bomb disk onto the dowel. The idea was to fly over the target, loop or roll or whatever, and let the disk fall off the dowel onto the target. The best Bill Hoelcher or I could do was about 25 yards from the target. I am sure Gordy will have plenty advice for us about getting bombed. Practice practice practice. I hope you all had a good afternoon, too. Tom H. NagelJudicatum Procurator Recuperatio
[RCSE] Lovesong on EBay
Posting for a friend: Hi Tom. Remember last weekend I said I had a Lovesong I wanted to sell? I put it up on Ebay Starting @ 6PM tonight. Listing for Lovesong http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=013item=230036299657rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESC%3AITrd=1 I would appreciate it if you could post this link for me on the Forum that soaring guys hang out at. I have no Idea where they are or what is a preferred forum for the sailplane crowd. Thanks, Tim Stone, McHenry, Il __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Lovesong on EBay
Got an updated link, sorry. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=013item=230036299657rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AITrd=1 somehow the one I sent you before is not correct. Tim Stone --- Tom Kallevang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Posting for a friend: Hi Tom. Remember last weekend I said I had a Lovesong I wanted to sell? I put it up on Ebay Starting @ 6PM tonight. Listing for Lovesong http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemih=013item=230036299657rd=1sspagename=STRK%3AMESC%3AITrd=1 I would appreciate it if you could post this link for me on the Forum that soaring guys hang out at. I have no Idea where they are or what is a preferred forum for the sailplane crowd. Thanks, Tim Stone, McHenry, Il __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] F3X is off to Visalia!
Hi Guys, F3X is off to Visalia this weekend with a carload of special deals. I am clearing out a bunch of models. Get to the cash machine Come on by and get see what we have. I will be moving a bunch of park flyers, E-flight models and accessories. Some GAS Too! Shadow F3J, Experience Pro V and X tail. Artemis X tails! I will drop in a few F3F models as well. Come see the Aspirin DLG and get your order in for the next delivery! SEIKO stop watches! Come buy early before they are gone! See ya there! Tom Copp Composite Specialties www.f3x.com 949-645-7032
Re: [RCSE] Invisible Models
Martin: This thing appears to be a powered radio controlled boomerang!As a one-time boomer builder, I am impressed! Tom - Original Message - From: Martin Usher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:16 AM Subject: [RCSE] Invisible Models I came across this new type of UAV:- http://veratech.aero/phantom.html It seems to be a very odd looking sort of model helicopter that's designed to spoof the eye into thinking that its not hovering in front of your face. Its not a sailplane, of course but its interesting that its possible to build a flying device that can trick our eyes into not seeing something that's there (since I seem to spend a lot of time when flying looking for something that's there but it seems to have disappeared!). Martin Usher RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Top end speed in MPH ! Math quiz
Here are some specifics for your word problem: The McCann winches used at the AMA/LSF Nats and LSF WSM are 2 inch cores on a 6 inch flange. Winchline used is Memphis Net Twine TWB-30, 290 pound test braided nylon line. Two spools of this line fill the winch drum almost to the 6 inch flange limit, giving approximately 680 feet (207 meters) to the turnaround. At the WSM, we reduced the distance to the turnarounds to approximately 150 meters. Have fun with the math ... Tom Kallevang Wheeling, IL LSF President Webmaster LSF #303 Level V #103 AMA L292 SOAR (Chicago) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Muncie - Soaring Masters Final Scores
Look at the age range of the flyoffs. Pretty wide. The old guys can't say it's a young man's sport and the young can't say it's an old guy's sport. - Original Message - From: R/C Soaring Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: [RCSE] Muncie - Soaring Masters Final Scores www.rcsoaring.com Joe RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] WSM Shirts
I'll take a couple as long as they have pockets. T - Original Message - From: George Voss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Ben Wilson' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'RCSE' soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] WSM Shirts I'll take 2 shirts myself. gv -Original Message- From: Ben Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 12:50 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] WSM Shirts One thing I was kinda disappointed with at the WSM's this past weekend was no t-shirts! I love the WSM logo - so maybe someone could make a run of them? I can't be the only one (please) ;) -- ben wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://thelocust.org/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] World Soaring Masters: Finals are FINAL
Thanks Ben, Gordy, et al. For the coverage. Outstanding, thank you for taking the time for the rest of us. It nice to have such close to real time coverage. Hard to travel to many contests so this type of reporting is a real treat. Looking forward to the pictures. Good lift, Tom -Original Message- From: Ben Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 12:19 PM To: soaring@airage.com; LASS Soaring List Subject: [RCSE] World Soaring Masters: Finals are FINAL 10. Jolly - 4582 9. Burnoski - 4853 8. Daryl Perkins - 4968 7. M. Reagan - 5164 6. M. Lachowski - 5193 5. Skip Miller - 5694 ($250) 4. Ben Clerx - 5790 ($500) 3. Cody Remington (Junior) - 6118 ($750) 2. Arend Borst 6397 ($1250) 1. Mike Smith 6793 ($2500) Mike Smith had 3 1000's, a 999, a 960-something and 708 to finish up. The last rounds of flying were some of the most exciting I've ever witnessed - you truly didn't know who was going to win until the very end. Congratulations everyone! Thanks to all the sponsors: LSF, JR, Castle Creations, Horizon, Kennedy Composites, and I'm sure I'm leaving some out. My final post live from the AMA Flying Site - hope everyone enjoyed, I know I did ;) ben wilson louisville area soaring society http://www.louisvillesoaring.org RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] FS: NIB X-21
New and untouched X-21, in UHM Carbon. 126 span, MH32 foil, two-piece wing, X-tail. Ultra-stiff construction and six (6) ballast tubes. Yellow top with red wing points and yellow/red striped bottoms. Reduced to $1,100 delivered to the Visalia FSF. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] FS: Encore DLG
Maple Leaf Encore DLG, excellent condition. Four-servo flaperon version, F16/F23 airfoil, one-piece fuse (no slip-on nose cone). RTF less RX - includes four MX-30 servos, 250 NiMH pack and complete wiring harness. Add your RX, balance and fly. Wing is nearly perfect, with no gouges, tears, delams or other repaired nonsense. TE is sharp and straight. Fuse is excellent, with the only repair being a slight surface-only graunch on the very lower tip of the nose. No cracks or dents. Only tail feather issue is slight field wear on the very bottom of the fin. Plane is set up for a right-handed flyer. This is the Encore from a couple years ago - the version that is still shown on the Maple Leaf Design web site. $350 delivered to the Visalia FSF. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] JR 9303 reverse diff?
Trying to figure out if I want to keep my new 9303...there are some shortcomings, one of which is I don't see a way to program reverse differential when the flap stick reaches a certain point. I don't use 'landing mode' so it's not something that can be enabled with flight modes. Anyone figured out a way around this? Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast..
The contests were definitely more attainable then. My first CASA Opencontest at the Polo Field hadover 100pilots. That wasonly 10 years ago. I got many of my contest points at the monthly CASA contest at Manassas Battlefield. Now findingeven 10 pilots for a monthly contest anywhere in VA is nearly impossible. Winning a monthly club contest was a lot easier than the ESL or a NATS. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] What if LSF had been born on the East coast.. In a message dated 9/14/2006 1:06:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Imagine what tasks ECSS would have developed for the weak lift, wooded hills and tree lined roads of Pennsylvania, New York, and New England. I don't think it would have been all that different - we have certainly not found the established tasks all that daunting! Weak lift? - I logged 1 hour+ thermal flights on each of 12 consecutive summer weekend days back when, just for the fun of it (most with only one launch). I've also beat an hour on an overcast, chilly, and drizzly March day. For many years we (CASA) ran an XC event over a 32 mi course, yes it had tree canyons and tunnels, they go with the territory, they can be overcome (a good spotter/navigator helps). The course also had anearly straight, mostly clear (only one tree canyon),7.5 mile stretch over which several of us got our 10K GR. The Appalachian chain is hardly devoid of slope opportunities, I personally know of4 sites where the 8 hr has been done multiple times. Mostly, it's having the will and commitment to watch the forecasts and GO when the wx is favorable for whatever. BTW, you have a significant error in your LSF history account for which I will post a correction shortly. Good Lift! Skip Schow ECSS/NSS71-71, LSF 166 (V #46) No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006
Re: [RCSE] North Jersey was really tough, first round!
First you have Joe's fuse fall out and now your sport tube. There's really something wrong here. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2006 7:08 PM Subject: [RCSE] "North Jersey was really tough, first round!" They do a flyiing order thing, that last the day, so you can get caught in a cycle I decided at the start of the Casa event last week that I was going to fly opposite to the big dogs, if they went right off the launch, I was heading left. It cost me, but I had sooo little time on the Perfect that I wanted to force my self to learn it quick. Did the same thing today in that first round, the left was obvious (birds etc), so I went right. Cost me a minute and those guys don't usually give up more than a few seconds. Speaking of second, I also decided not to use a skeg before the Masters, and that cost me both in both events too. Today it cost me a zero when I slid thru the landing spot, refusing to stick any of the landings. The second to last round (5 rounds of 8mins) the leaders took a HUGE air time hit, and that left the door open for me to seek up somebut Chuck Crobinet, was too steady all day long with his Supra (at least 4 were flying today, (easily the most popular ship of this season), so he earned his "I Beat Gordy Button!" and left me the bridesmaid again! ;-) I ended the day of fun flying with a crack in my Perfect's lower rudder hinge and a split seam in the tail boomyep i was practicing Mark Smithboinkfor time, then hit the spot for points. I got two perfect attempts right off the bat but the third one got away from me and I came to the spot too hot and the wing bumped my thigh and torque the fuse pretty well and it spun around to doink the rudder a bit. Mostly cosmetic but a that's what I get for goofing around with a beauty ship. I dropped Joe Melchior at his Mooney, and proceeded to drive away, little did I realize that the milk carton of metal parts knocked my tailgate open, it and my Sportube blew out and I didn't notice till I was about 30miles away! I went all the way back and there they were, parked on the grass next to the driveway...very busy area too! Too much drama for the end of the day and only about 3 hours of driving to get to my next beach! Gordy No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006
Re: [RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion
Jeff, Good to hear positive input. I like the first one. But more realistically 9 am to 3 pm or anytime, any day, dawn to dusk (6 flights in a row no less than 30 min apart - 3 sec off and 90+). More like open winch. MOM would take into consideration the actual air, so this is a pretty tough task. Don't forget, you need 3 of these for V. It's more a matter of finding witnesses for an 8 hour day. 3 to 4 hours might be possible. It is something that takes commitment and yet can be done most places as long as witnesses could be non LSF. Might be able to get some of the younger pilots to hang out as witnesses if the age were reduced to 16. Will take a lot of weekends to accomplish, but at least there's no travel expenses. This is probably tougher than winning a real contest or MOM contest, but you can do it every week for a couple years. T I'll keep on-line records for any individual or group, formal or informal, that want to give this a test try. Honor system is fine as long as you have a timer. Too easy to be off timing yourself. I usually fly alone, but can get a non-flying timer person or family member. Having an on line group to compare skills with is at least some way to know where you stand. I'll set up a site and let you know when it is done. Just email me here if you want to sign up. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dharban [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion I am sorry but in the ESL the point off max can be as little 40 points for an entire contest. I'll assume the same occurs at other contest where top notch pilots frequent. It doesn't happen everywhere, but it does happen more than you think. 5.5 feet won't put you in the top 3... probably not in the top 10. Look, if you made the task something like Saturday or Sunday from 8 am to 5 pm you must have one 10 minute flight with an L4 landing of 90 or better once every hour, with only one attempt an hour. Sun - Wed if you started on Saturday. or Monday - Thurs if you started Sun go out at the same time each daybetween 8-10 am or 5-7pm and put in one 10 minute flight with L4 landing of 90 or better with only one attempt Time of perfect allowed 3 seconds. Once you choose the time to go out you must keep that time for each daily attempt. You must fly the attempt each following day. That would be a serious attempt... Why the comittment is there, the task is quite tough, since you MUST find air each time, and must land each time. The pressure is off from a contest perspective. You aren't guaranteed good air .. by having this you have simulated the difficulty a contest pilot has in that he can't choose his air... he has to fly This is only a thought... but in reality I am sure someone will figure out where I have erred... But 3 in 1 hour is easy...BTW you'll be surprised how easy it is to hit the 10:00. I've got to say that doing it in a contest is still more challenging, and fun. dharban wrote: \I DON'T GET THE 3 FLIGHTS IN 1 HOUR. THE LSF PROHIBITS THE TD PARTS FROM OCCURRING IN THE SAME DAY FOR A SIMILAR REASON, THE AIR CAN BE GREAT AND A 1 HOUR TIME FRAME SIMPLY MEANS YOU CAN BE FLYING IN GREAT AIR. THAT'S NOT HARD!!!. IF THE AIR IS GOOD IT IS EASY. ALSO LANDING ON AN L4 TAPE WITHOUT THE NERVES OF COMPETITION IS EASY. SO 3 FLIGHTS WITH LANDINGS IN 1 HOUR TO ME ARE QUITE EASY AND DON'T REPRESENT A CHALLENGE.\ I've stated elsewhere that there is no exact equivalent to competition. This alternative proposal is simply that. For those who want the precise challenge of competition there is only one way to get it. The three flights constitute one task. This task must be repeated six times on separate days. The air can be great all day long or it can cycle through every few minutes or anything in between. Another comment on this thread voiced your same concern. If the powers that be believe that lift is likely to be more or less uniform during the one hour period, the requirement can be for three flights to be flown at some other *specified* interval. The point here is to require the pilot to fly in air and at times not of his choosing -- more or less like competition. If you think the task is easy, demonstrate it to yourself by going out and flying the task six times with a 2350 score each time. (50 points from perfection -- I have researched as best I can the kind of scores that win the bigger competitions around the country and I believe a 2350 in this event will put you in the money most of the time -- if I am wrong, please correct me). Let me know when your tasks done -- if you can stand the boredom :) I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE THAT AS A VALID SET OF CHALLENGES. TO ME THIS IS A WATERED DOWN ACHEIVEMENT PROGRAM THAT DOESN'T CHALLENGE ANYONE EXCEPT FOR THE 8 HOUR SLOPE. I'M NOT IMPRESSED. If this should be the final form of the
Re: [RCSE] New Soaring Program Discussion
Okay - Original Message - From: Jay Hunter To: CapnCrunchie Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion update If its not about changing the LSF, then the title of the discussions should be "New Soaring Program" not "LSF Discussion". I think that will bring focus to the discussion fia seperate class is what is truly desired. Jay On 9/14/06, CapnCrunchie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For all the late commers of this conversation who keep on pipinging in onwhy change the LSF program... No one wants to change anything !!! OK? The LSF Level 1 - 5 is what it is and always shall be! It's sacred. Your levelV want be belittled. Some people would ust likean additional seperate program/task that is more suitable to there locale/financial/family circumstances. Get it? Nobody wants to changeanything - only add on. Seems like the people that can afford a quiver full of moldies don't want the wood workers to have anything to work for. BTW, what is thewebsite of that Canadian LSF-type program? I want to check into something that I can complete with my wood airplane.After all, there are still people who actually build their ships - like they used to do when the LSF was created More power to the Woodcrafters! Blue skies, Capn Crunchie Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/447 - Release Date: 9/13/2006
[RCSE] New Individual Contest challenge
Okay, I've set up a new ICF (Individual Contest Format). I will pay for it, administer it and keep track of it for now. I am offering awards and recognition for achievement. Let's see everyone put their flying where their mouth is. Let's see who will be first to turn in a perfect score. Link is: http://adesigner.com/brass click on ICF at bottom of page I will make corrections if I've made some errors in set up, or math, but WILL NOT change the format. It's a lot tougher than it looks, but not so tough that it can't be achieved. It is for the sake of having fun and showing what you can do in a contest type format. It is set up for those who can't get to contests, or who just need some structure to practice for the next contest. Has nothing to do with LSF, ECSS, CSS, PQRS or any other existing program. I figure someone has to actually DO something instead of talking about it, so support me on this and sign up and lets see how you rate against the competition. Please forward this to RC Groups or any other place you think will be interested. If you don't like it, please don't comment, just don't sign up. I will be posting all attempts that are sent to me, from novice or expert alike. It is what it is and not supposed to be anything else. Tom (I will be fancying up the site over time, so be patient. The basics are there) Tom Broeski 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fx 943-4178 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF format Discussion
Sounds pretty good. I would like to see any witness over 21 for I- III and two for IV and V with at least one being AMA registered. This is very important to those in small or power clubs. Also, since the tasks are basically the same, if you have already completed them, you may try for your next level based on these options and do not have to start over. EG if you are level III now you can complete IV with these options. Since options have always been a part of the achievements (ie slope/td), this is nothing really new. If you are able to complete the new contest format, you will have had a lot of practice and if you were able to travel extensively you could get the win in either format. As you say, laws have changed making it difficult for many to do the cross country Legally. Can't have LSF promoting illegal activity. However, I think the requirement should include that you must also travel the closed course. That means in a vehicle or on foot. You cannot just stand in one place. That would mean traveling your field boundaries if the course exceeded your field size. Or if on the road, the full course. I can't find anywhere here to do the 10 K in a straight out and back (or even a crooked one), but can find numerous areas where a large lap could be done of four 2.5 K runs. I will gladly supply award certificates to the existing LSF V's that say LSF V MASTER to anyone who feels this somehow takes away from their achievements. I see nothing Sportsman Level about the revisions to the program and would suggest that LSF seriously consider the options be included in the current program and that it be adopted and the only program, since these are options and doesn't change the intent or level of difficulty. It merely addresses today's environment. The points for the contest format should be able to be determined by the LSF secretary by looking at the average winning scores for the last 10 or so LSF level achievers or just checking a number of local and regional contests with 20 or more to see what the general win average is. If the average is around 100 points off max, then three rounds in one hour totally 2900 might be reasonable. (or whatever the average turns out). Average means if 10 rounds were flown with total being 200 points off max, then the average would be 20 off max. Determining this number will probably be the toughest task. You will likely find a big difference between the ones who got the win at a monthly club contest and those that got them at larger regional or national contests. You would also likely find that the scores many years ago were way further from max then the scores of today. Difference between a Paragon and an Icon. TB - Original Message - From: dharban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: [RCSE] LSF Discussion I don't know whether the people on this RCSE thread are reading the corresponding thread or not so I am reposting a message I have on that thread in this forum. Before everyone loads up to shoot, please understand that these thoughts are offered not as definitive but more as illustrative of what might be done with regard to an alternative path. The posting includes a paper discussing evaluating achievement award tasks based on skill requirements and an illustrative proposal as to one way an alternative program might be structured: A proposal regarding tasks and skills. This is partly a rehash of a previous communication -- revised to illustrate one way a Sportsman track Achievement Award program could be structured. The objectives in this proposal are: 1. Mitigate the problems participants would have with regard to the logistics and/or other difficulties required to complete the existing LSF Competition Tasks. 2. Mitigate the problems participants have with respect to Goal and Return tasks -- specifically the unsuitablility of this event for people who live in densely populated areas, areas where it is unsafe and/or illegal to fulfill the requirements of the task (most places it is illegal to ride in the bed of a moving pickup truck and illegal for passengers to not use their seatbelts -- thereby making operation of a transmitter through an open sunroof problematic.) 3. To encourage some level of participation in group activities which advance the sport. 4. To be mostly achievable with typical club at a typical club site. 5. To devise an alternative program where the challenge at any level is comparable (+/_ to its existing LSF equivalent. 6. To complement and augment the existing LSF program. Level I -- Exactly identical to current Level I tasks Level II -- Exactly identical to current Level II tasks (I realize this has a competition element, but it is easily achieveable at most club sites and is consistent with objective 3 above. Level III -- Identical with current Level III Thermal Duration and Slope tasks. Goal and Return is
Re: [RCSE] LSF format Discussion
Jim, I would think there would be some way to gather enough information to set up a fair point system and not let it bog down what seems to be a reasonable and needed revision. Tom - Original Message - From: Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Broeski tom@inventorforhire.com; RCSE soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF format Discussion Tom, I can assure you that, while the LSF does keep an accurate database, the Secretary does not receive nor record the level of information required for the interesting analysis that you suggest. Jim Deck -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion
Jeff, You aren't the only one who gets this mixed up. The easiest way is to remove the [RCSE] from any private emails. Lot easier to distinguish. I can't tell it's private most of the time when it has the exchange title on it. Tom - Original Message - From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ryan Woebkenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion Damn I did it again. I'm sorry, I didn't realize that this was private. I thought I hit reply instead of reply all, so I added RCSE back. This IS a public apology for going public on something that should have been private. And for everyone out there Please put PRIVATE on the TOP line of your email if you want it to remain that way when responding to RCSE mail. It would make it easier. When mail comes in from [RCSE] sometimes I get used to thinking this is a post from the group, I don't always look at the TO: to see if it was from RCSE as well. But no excuses... Again Sorry Ryan. Ryan Woebkenberg wrote: P.S., thanks for responding to a private email in a public forum that I don't subscribe to. -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion Credo
I'm in support of ANYTHING that furthers or promotes the sport. I will still finish my LSF in the old way, new way, anyway - doesn't matter. I will participate in any new task format LSF or not. I will not discourage anyone from trying new ideas. I will not attack them for trying to present new ideas. All the tasks help make one a better pilot (maybe the 8 hr slope also teaches bladder control). I do wish I had someone down here to fly with and share it all with, but that just isn't how it is right now. Looking forward to something new, new options, new formats, tasks, whatever. Would like something that would let me do it here with just regular people as witnesses, like the Canadian Soaring Tasks. Heck, Doug Barry is trying to do his second LSF V thing only flying an AVA. Already did a 10K XC with it. Contests will be a lot tougher, since there just aren't the numbers anymore, but I bet he doesn't give up. I watched a neat movie on the World's fastest Indian (Burt Munro a NZ motorcyclist who had to travel to Bonneville to have a place to set the record). If that's what it takes, there are some who will do it. T - Original Message - From: Bob Johnson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'rcse' Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 4:52 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF Discussion At no point in my post did I suggest or imply that the current LSF Level 1 be replaced; I merely asked if the list of tasks posted was perceived to be as difficult as the current LSF Level 1. I never have nor will I ever suggest or propose the replacement and/or modification of the current LSF Level 1 or any other part of the current LSF program. Regards, Bob Johnson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion
I though the idea of XC was to travel. If you aren't going cross country you aren't doing cross country. I figured if you can't take a golf cart, truck or some vehicle, you could walk it. (no it would not be easy). I guess instead of XC you could call it an option to an XC task. Like slope is to thermal now. To stay in one place is more like a thermal task. Any way you want to propose it is okay with me. I'll still participate. Tom - Original Message - From: dharban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:04 AM Subject: [RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion Tom Broeski Wrote: As you say, laws have changed making it difficult for many to do the cross country Legally. Can't have LSF promoting illegal activity. However, I think the requirement should include that you must also travel the closed course. That means in a vehicle or on foot. You cannot just stand in one place. That would mean traveling your field boundaries if the course exceeded your field size. Or if on the road, the full course. I can't find anywhere here to do the 10 K in a straight out and back (or even a crooked one), but can find numerous areas where a large lap could be done of four 2.5 K runs. It is not entirely clear to me that the benefits of being required to travel a closed course outweigh the possible unintenced consequences. As it stands now, the accepted practice for the Level IV and Level V Goal and Return usually (but not always) involves the use of a vehicle with a driver and a spotter -- presumably your two witnesses. This requires the aspirant to arrange for transportation, arrange for a driver and a spotter and to determine a course -- these are the logistics of the task. The aspirant is not required to walk the course, rather he remains in more or less a fixed relationship with the plane he is flying regardless of the length of the task. This relationship is more or less consistent with the relationship the he would have in the proposed alternative. The proposed alternative requires the aspirant to arrange a gate or equivalent system to ensure that the flight is measured properly and to arrange for people to man the gates (again presumably his witnesses) -- these are the logistics of the revised task. You are suggesting that in order to complete the goal and return task that the aspirant and a spotter walk the entire distance. This adds a degree of physical exertion which is not present in any other soaring endeavor -- not just LSF. Perhaps its your intent to include this as a barrier to separate the sheep from the goats. Respectfully, I am an old goat and adding a 12 mile hike to this task is problematic-- especially in the middle of the kind of hot day when success at this task is most likely (our hot days are 100 degrees+ and humid). Further, not everyone flies on a sod farm like I do. Walking even two-and-a-half miles in a wild field while trying to keep your plane in sight is more of an acrobatic feat than an aeronautical feat. Remember, the median age in our sport is 55+ and if you've ever looked at a pictures from current sailplane events there are quite a few guys who look like the only push-ups they do are pushing away from the dinner table. (perhaps we could add an overall task alternative which posthumously awards the aspirant's last level in the event that he dies trying :) Don -- dharban dharban's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=31927 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=567627 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion Credo
I'm in support of ANYTHING that furthers or promotes the sport. I will still finish my LSF in the old way, new way, anyway - doesn't matter. I will participate in any new task format LSF or not. I will not discourage anyone from trying new ideas. I will not attack them for trying to present new ideas. All the tasks help make one a better pilot (maybe the 8 hr slope also teaches bladder control). I do wish I had someone down here to fly with and share it all with, but that just isn't how it is right now. Looking forward to something new, new options, new formats, tasks, whatever. Would like something that would let me do it here with just regular people as witnesses, like the Canadian Soaring Tasks. Heck, Doug Barry is trying to do his second LSF V thing only flying an AVA. Already did an XC with it. Contests will be a lot tougher, since there just aren't the numbers anymore, but I bet he doesn't give up. I watched a neat movie on the World's fastest Indian (Burt Munro a NZ motorcyclist who had to travel to Bonneville to have a place to set the record). If that's what it takes, there are some who will do it. But there's still room for the soapbox derby. T - Original Message - - Original Message - From: dharban [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:15 AM Subject: [RCSE] Re: LSF Discussion Not to mention that it's entirely likely that some legs might be flown in a straight line at speeds in excess of 20-25 mph. When I was young I was quick, but I never broke a one minute quarter mile+. Even on a cool day a person might break a sweat chasing down a sailplane in this task :) -- dharban dharban's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=31927 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=567627 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Re: JD
It really sounds like witness protection where nobody knows, not even family, where you are at. I will let you know if I see him next time I'm in Tahiti. We too really miss him. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mderstine Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Re: Covering Obeche over white foam Wow, still no word about John's whereabouts. Very wierd thing to say the least. I feel for you and your family Melissa. Original Message Subject: [RCSE] Re: Covering Obeche over white foam From: mderstine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, September 13, 2006 7:05 am To: soaring@airage.com Just doing my periodical search on this site for John Derstine. There has been no new news since last February and we're not expecting much these days, it's almost been a year since he disappeared. As upset, angry or hurt as we may be I appreciate everyone keeping a respectful mindset and for anyone who doesn't it is truely a shame. Melissa Derstine -- mderstine mderstine's Profile: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/member.php?u=80219 View this thread: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=498643 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/446 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Starting to get it, and a few questions...
If those are actually serious answers, then is there a competitive HL person who can provide another answer to question 1 and 3. 4.0 is way too low. - Original Message - From: S Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jay Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 1:06 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Starting to get it, and a few questions... At 10:57 PM 9/11/2006, Jay Hunter wrote: Ok, now the questions... 1. To the competitive pilots, how often do you practice a week? 1 day a week for an hour? several times a week? How long are your sessions? Practice is over-rated. 2. How often does the wind change during a flying session? It seems the wind changes by 45 degrees every 10-15 minutes. Most of my flying sites are surrounded by trees. That's your thermal cycle. The largest thermals are moving through and moving the air. 3. In a 2 servo plane how low do you allow the voltage go in a 4 cell pack? Why measure, jut wait until it gets sluggish. (About 4.0 volts) I try to base my battery life on flight time. :-) We are only talking 2 channel Steve Meyer SOAR LSF IV RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/443 - Release Date: 9/11/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Looking for Mehrdad Amir
Mehrdad... Pls ping me. Lost your e-mail address. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] FS: NIB X-21
New and untouched X-21, in UHM Carbon. 126 span, MH32 foil, two-piece wing, X-tail. Ultra-stiff construction and six (6) ballast tubes. Yellow top with red wing points and yellow/red striped bottoms. Reduced to $1,150 shipped to ConUS. Tom RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Ideas
It's amazing how many people spend so much energy attacking anyone with a new idea. Finding every possible way to crush it. If the same energy were spent in helping the person turn the idea into something workable, even if not the norm, there might at least be a few more people trying to help the sport instead of giving up out of frustration and disappointment. If you can't find a way to help don't put walls up in the way of those that are willing to try. Heck, in my business, when someone comes to me with an idea, I can often see that it won't work very well. My job is to sit down and work with them to figure out HOW to make it work, not just tell them to forget it. If it works out, great. If it doesn't, at least they tried. I don't know who Tom (Liberator on RC groups is), but he has my support to try anything that will help the sport of soaring. Keep the LSF current program and try something new -- can't hurt. T I don't know who came up with the retriever cart at CRRC, but if that was shot down instead of a group working to engineer it and get it working nearly flawlessly, they'd still be shagging chutes by hand or be spending a lot on fancy retrievers. They figured out a way to work together. A little note on status quo: We bought a farm in VA and there was a toilet in the house but it was not connected. The farmer said that it came when he had the house built, but he only used the outhouse. It was good enough for his father and like his father always said it makes no sense to s--t inside the house. Well, I connected up the toilet since my father wouldn't have minded. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] LSF discussion Contests
I love competition. However, unless you live near a big club, there's little chance to find contests with 20 people +. The idea of developing skills and enjoying the sport is the most important aspect in my opinion. If there's no way to do the competition circuit unless you are very well off, it keeps a lot of flyer's from doing any tasks. I believe it is important to attend some contests for the experience and comradery, but not have to win some with 20+ people. Newbies are the most affected by the expense of going to far away contests. Those that have the luxury of monthly contests and/or can afford to attend contests are the ones who tend to support this aspect. I signed up a number of LSF flyers (5 or 6 at least) and all but one got stopped by the competition aspect (he moved away to a bigger city closer to the competitions and is doing very well). This part was great in the early days of larger clubs, but with the difficulty of even keeping a club going, the level of competition required for LSF is more than daunting. It pretty much eliminates the smaller clubs with only a few members. I think having just an attendance requirement of 3 or 4 contests with 10 or more over the course of the levels will provide the experience of contests without limiting it to just the rich and infamous. Another tough aspect of LSF is the requirement to have LSF witnesses. It's basically impossible in my neck of the woods at this time. I don't see any problem with LSF changing with the times, if those that are in the 121 are kept separate and recognized for their super achievement. Having two types of goals you can select for LSF (TD no contests, 21 or older AMA witnesses) and the existing one might open it up for a good many flyers. I know it would help the many hundreds that signed up but stopped because of contests. I doubt that it would be that difficult to have two different sets of task sheets within the existing LSF. Jim Deck If someone wants to set up another achievement program, I will gladly participate and still work on my LSF V in the current format. I will also volunteer to help Tom, Larry, Bill and Steve work out the details of an additional set of goals based on the needs and resources of the smaller clubs. IMHO TB - Original Message - From: Rick Eckel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chip Willis [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'James V. Bacus' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'RCSE' soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] LSF discussion I would disagree. Jim may have not caught every post and didn't catch the disclaimers. It wasn't the originators intent to bash LSF. And I didn't see any bashing from the originator - perhaps a few of the other posts went that way but generally it was a pretty even discussion. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] 2M Re-Visited
cool-- got any pictures? tgm -Original Message- From: David Register [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:57 AM To: Soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] 2M Re-Visited As a diversion from the LSF angst, I'd like to briefly resurrect an old thread. Shortly after NATS there was a flurry of dialog regarding 2M design. My comments, in general, suggested there was still some room to upgrade 2M designs, look more closely at the Drela airfoils, optimize planforms at the wing loadings we could achieve, etc. etc. So for the last 6-8 weeks that's been a fun project. The result is a poly, aptly named the Kahuna 1.8 (2M doesn't quite fit in the bed of my truck so we opted for 72 span). Although a poly, it's intended to be a validation platform for trying a few things out. Basically a V-tail, pod and boom, Drela section, optimized planform for the wing loading and still winchable at an AUW of 19.5oz. The structures are basically similar to DLG but without the need for a sub-rudder. Other than that (and swapping out the airfoils), it's more or less a discus on steroids RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Taborca
Anyone actually flying one of these? Tom Broeski 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fx 943-4178 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Need Brass Rudder Horn for Supra
You can use the Hobby Lobby low drag control horn. I got 4 of the same servo bay covers instead of two left and two right. Anyone else have 4 with the bump on the lower right? Will trade two for two. Tom - Original Message - From: Pat McCleave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: RCSE soaring@airage.com Cc: Barry Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 10:03 AM Subject: [RCSE] Need Brass Rudder Horn for Supra Hi Guys, I am in need of a brass control horn for the rudder on my Supra. My bag of small parts came open in shipment, and luckily that was the only piece I came up missing. If anyone has one or knows where I might be able to get one please let me know. I am sending a request to Barry Kennedy as well just in case he has extras. Thanks, Pat McCleave Wichita, KS RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Blue Ridge Slope sites
http://www.virtualblueridge.com/parkway_tour/overlooks.asp Tom Broeski 32 Mount View Dr Afton, VA 22920 540 943-3356 fx 943-4178 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] CASA unlimited
It's North East VA below DC. T - Original Message - From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: rcse soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: [RCSE] CASA unlimited BTW the CASA contest is Western VA about an hour west of Washington... This means that it is not a bad trip from OH, TN, KY or the Carolinas... or Northern GA We have had OH and TN, and KY guys show up in the past. So guys take a look at it on the map, and register. http://www.flyesl.com/ -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] CASA unlimited Sept
I noticed that Paul Bell is bringing both of himself. T - Original Message - From: Jeff Steifel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ESL [EMAIL PROTECTED]; rcse soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:38 PM Subject: [RCSE] CASA unlimited Sept Guys the CASA unlimited soaring event on Sept 9th and 10th is taking registrations. Goto http://www.flyesl.com/ to register. This is a great event. Frank Thompson hosts this on his airfield/ horse farm. Lift is usually abundant, and a catered dinner is held afterwards. This man is a wonderful host, the conditions have been outstanding for quite a number of years. Frank's hanger is usually stocked with planes and ultra lights. So it is the social event of the season for the ESL. Come on , compete, or just socialize... either way you do it.. it's a great event. Info and registration are on the website http://www.flyesl.com/ -- Jeff Steifel RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/430 - Release Date: 8/28/2006 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Pike Superior pulls out a squeaker over Flamingoid
MOSS held its umpteenth annual "Hanford Memorial " contest last night. It doesn't have anything to do with nuclear waste facilities, fortunately. Ed Hanford years ago laid down the challenge: "I'll bet $5 I can outfly anybody in the club after 6 p.m." So each August 24th we go out and try, and the longest single flight after 6 pm wins the trophy, which is Ed's $5 bill, framed for presentation. Lift last night was scarce, but we had about 20 club members and a few spouses on the field. Paul Wiese did 5:05 with a Pike Superior in essentially zero lift conditions. That was the mark to beat. I found a soft bubble with the Infamous Flamingoid and did 6:45, and for the first time that I can remember, I was in the lead in a club contest. Paul came back and squeaked past me with a mere 21+ minutes, finding the only real thermal of the night. The 6:45 held up for second. Todd Anderson kicked my butt at Air Hog, though. He laid down the challenge: see who can sit in a lawn chair and launch and catch their Air Hog the most times in a row. Then he proceeded to log two catches. I logged a total of zero. We ran out of daylight before we could do the Air Hog pylon, limbo or combat. Or even better the Air Hog pylon-limbo-combat. Maybe next time. Tom H. Nagel Judicium ProcuratorRecuperatio
[RCSE] Butch Never Would Have Done This
So we were driving home from vacation up at Lake Erie, and the Air Hog fell off the top of the luggage and the dog (actually the auxiliary dog Jamaica, the lobotomized retriever) sat on the Air Hog. Broke off the vertical, bent the heck out of the tail boom, generally warped the entire EPP airframe. I straightened out the plastic tail boom (try that with carbon fiber!) put the tail back together and discarded the superfluous wing struts. The Air Hog looked fine. Only it wouldn't fly. When you tossed it, it banked, rolled and nosed in. Finally under microscopic inspection I detected that the tail boom had some residual bend to the right, almost undetectable to the human (or at least Nagel) eye, but enough to cause a violent rudder roll. So the Air Hog is repaired and the dog is forgiven. Two lessons here: 1. The cheap POS little Air Hog Aero Ace is actually a precision piece of manufacture. Who'd have thunk it? and B. Get yourself a hound dog, not a lobotomized retriever. Tom H. Nagel Judicium ProcuratorRecuperatio
Re: [RCSE] R.I.P. Friend
I just knew Butch would be one of us when the second or third time I ran into him at a St Louis contest, Butch grabbed someone's hat from the ground and tore it up, then, when he thought no one was looking, he lifted his leg on a brand new Bag Lady TX tote. The owner of the tote never knew, thinking it was rain run-off from a tent, but Butchie was a great judge of character. Butch will be missed by all who knew him. tk --- Harry DeBoer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To everyone in the soaring community, we have lost a dear friend and truly a clown at heart. I just got of the phone with Johnny Berlin. Butch passed away this morning around 11:00am. Butch was probably one of the neatest Dog's I have ever been around and he was always glad to see everyone ( and their food ). If ever there was a dog that personified the words Mans Best Friend it would have to be Butch. Please think of Johnny as you pray for those who are in need as he has just lost his best friend! H- __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Neat article
http://www.airbum.com/articles/ArticleWACOGliderCG-4A.html Tom Broeski32 Mount View DrAfton, VA 22920540 943-3356fx 943-4178
[RCSE] $500 Reward CRRC
Lost Supra at the end of the CRRC field. Anyone interested in looking for it. I will supply GPS and general area directions. 540 280-0700 Tom Broeski RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] 33rd CVRC Fall Soaring Festival
Perhaps I missed it, but I don't recall an announcement about entries being open... Searching the RCSE archives turns up nothing. Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are running behind on entries from previous years, therefore if you have an interest in participating this year please get your entry in. I am opening up the contest to those who would like to fly more than one class also. The new Woody class this year is taking off well and I am encouraged by the responce. See you on October 7 8. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] The heck with World F3B Wins, DP gets last 2m award
Gordy gets it part right (again). The Hi Johnson trophy is an AMA award for the highest single score at the Soaring Nats. AMA used to run the events with all classes flown each day (you built a 2M, 100 and an unlimited plane every day) and flew a couple rounds of each class daily. This resulted in each class flying the same number of rounds, and the Hi Johnson awarded the single highest point score of the classes. With the advent of splitting the classes into day slots and the demise of the 100 Standard Class, we are now able to fly more rounds of 2M than Unlimited due to the difference in the number of pilots. LSF approached AMA last week about how to go about changing the criteria for the award to something more in keeping with the original intent of the Hi Johnson trophy. After a short conversation, a process was adopted and I will draft a letter asking to revise the criteria so the award is independent of the number of rounds flown in each class. This was what I meant at the workers banquet when I said Daryl won the last Hi Johnson 2M Award, not that anything was changing as relates to 2M at the Nats. Tom Kallevang Wheeling, IL LSF President Webmaster LSF #303 Level V #103 AMA L292 SOAR (Chicago) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] FS: Like New Vintage ARF Falcon 880
For Sale: Like New Vintage ARF Falcon 880 This vintage Falcon 880 has been in storage for the past 15 years and I have finally decided to sell it due to my lack of involvement with the hobby. Remember Daryl Perkins yellow and blue Falcon 880 which he has won countless contests with? This is Falcon is a carbon copy but painted white (top) and blue (bottom) instead. This Falcon is NICE! Countless hours have been put into wing construction and and overall finish of this model. Wings have a S3021 airfoil. Construction is 1/16 inch balsa over 1.5 lb density expanded bead white foam with carbon fiber/glass reinforced spar stucture. Trailing edges are reinforced with glass cloth between the balsa for stiffness durability. Over the entire wing structure 3/4 oz. glass was applied to the balsa to seal the structure prior to lacquer painting. Hinges are Arrow-shaft type with each flap having about 60 degrees travel from nuetral. Wings already have servo cutouts and wiring installed. After all these years in storage, the wings are still very straight and glass smooth. Included is an oil-hardened wing rod. Fuselage is finished with white laquer paint, has tow hook installed and two Airtronics 94102 servos installed. Fuselage is epoxy glass with kevlar reinforcement. Canopy is a dark blue pigmented epoxy glass type. Tail surfaces are monokoted built-up balsa structures. Care was taken to keep the tail as light as possible. Fuselage linkages are installed and operational. When this Falcon was completed it was flown for a total of about 1 hour then stored in a bedroom for 15 years. Total flying weight is in the low 70 oz. My preference is to hand deliver this model to the buyer or a friend of the buyer in the Santa Clara County California area since I don't want to see this item crushed by the shipping company. I'm willing to deliver for free in Santa Clara County. If a local delivery is not possible, I'd consider shipping this item in a professionally packed (oversize) box at the expense of the buyer. Price: $500.00 firm Email namg_engr at yahoo dot com for photos and any questions. Thanks. -Tom __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Muncie Weather?
As someone who has never been involved with power planes, I got here a day early and figured I watch some power stuff. Never realized that Pattern flying meant everyone does the same thing over and over and over, etc. for three days. It rained some today, so it cooled off a bit. Lots of big storms to the North. T Temperature at my flying field in Oklahoma was 106 today and heading higher tomorrow. Not enough Gatorade in the world to take much more of that! Looking forward to those balmy high '80s in Muncie this weekend! - Dave R RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
