Re: [RCSE] casa memorial open date?
Check out www.e-s-l.org for all the Eastern Soaring League events. CASA is the weekend after labor day weekend. Douglas, Brent wrote: Hello, I'm trying to get the DARTS calendar up to date - anyone know the date for CASA's open this year? Isn't it usually in September? Thanks, Brent RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Flying on Maui
Lynn Meredith King wrote: Good day all. I have a friend going to Maui for two weeks. Is their any possibility some one could show him ( Walt Gerfin ) where the flying takes place??? He is interested of course in models, however, he would be up for full scale also. Walt will not be bringing anything to fly, just watch. Any help would be greatly appreciated. No! don't go to Maui without taking some airplanes. Great place to fly with great slopes. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Setup specs for Organic 2-m
The only thing I practiced today was driving my C5 home from work in 3 of fresh powder in Chicago rush hour traffic, talk about SCARY. Jim Sounds like you should put some skegs on those tires... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery?
I tried some Wal-Mart batteries a few years ago. I was not impressed. I haven't seen a Trojan in a few years. I have had good luck with the AC Delco Voyager batteries. Exide Stowaway's have also worked but they sometimes charge funny. The battery charger never drops below a few amps. It might be the chemistry. Sears have been really hit or miss the past few years. Thier reputation went down the tubes a number of years ago when they were selling batteries that were not what they said they were. Some guys involved with that were convicted. Just remember to always properly recharge your battery after use. That is the number one killer of batteries. Brian Smith wrote: I need two new natteries tooI'm gonna go with Wal-Mart because of the 3 yr warrenty.I have never seen a winch nattery last 3 yrs and still be good as we really work them here in Tullahoma.No local Trojan dealer here either.Brian - Original Message - From: Jack Harper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 6:40 PM Subject: [RCSE] What is the best winch battery? I have not bought a deep cycle nattery for many years, so I thought this would be easy. I just started looking for one of these, and was amazed to see that some of the well known big retailers (like WallyMart) have only their own brands now. The largest of the 'house brand' batteries do not seem to have that much capacity, topping out at about 650 CCA. and maybe 150 reserve. Sears biggest one is about this same size also. I called some of the tire outlets and so far, they all seem to stop at about this size. We use a huge Trojan for the club winch (850CCA), and it will run us all day with lots of launches, but I can not locate a dealer from their web site. What are you guys using for winch batteries for club flying? Thanks Jack Harper RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. . RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] http://www.modelaircraft.org/templates/ama/compreg.asp
I just noticed the AMA published the latest competition regulations in PDF format at: http://www.modelaircraft.org/templates/ama/compreg.asp RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] RE: Wing Servos
Nathan Woods wrote: Well, the following servos are all pretty good if money is the deciding factor: 2. JR 341 sim to HS-85, but better 3. JR 351 sim to JR 341 but with MG 4. JR 368 digi version of the 351, very sweet servo The only thing in common between the 351 and the DS368 is the case. The 368 has new electronics and it has a totally different gear train. Now all we have to do is wait for the DS161 wing servo. If you have a single flap model, or want a powerful servo for a flying stab, use the JR DS3421. It's a mini sized servo. Cool DLG wing servo, the DS281. The digital version of the 241. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] T6320 FRS Radio
Has anyone played with a Motorola TalkAbout T6320? Besides the FRS stuff, specs say it has NOAA weather radio, some sort of stopwatch/alarm, compass, barometer, and altimeter. I was in Radio Shack. They only had one in the bubble pack and with the XMAS season, they weren't too interested in setting it up to play with it. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] JR10X 8-servo
The 8013 is the easier radio to program for a standard 4 wing servo model. Lots of references out there. As far as 10 radios older than the 10X, the 10SX and 10SXII were both very capable of setting up 4 wing servo models. Even 6 wing servos. If you go way back to the 10S, you had fewer built-in mixers so it was a little short on mixers. You can find references as to how I program the 10X at http://www.eclipse.net/~mikel/ There are links for 6 servo and 8 servo setups. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Airline travel costs
I was just reading an article in todays New York Times. It looks like almost everyone has gone down to two checked bags and raised the rates for any additional bags or overweight or oversized bags to $80. Last year you got 3 bags and it wasn't that hard to get something oversized on for nothing. But it looks like things are going to be much more expensive in the future. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Get a Pretty Mantis if you can't fly an ugly plane
The Luckenbach fuselages are $110 each. Tom took a half dozen to the Nats for Terry and all were sold. Tom did use that fuselage for Unlimited with Drela's airfoils on the tails. Some other issues prevented him from using the molded mantis wing on that model. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Sliders
I don't use sliders. For those who do use them, how do you pick the optimal position? Or do you just end up sliding all the way one way or another. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] 12 V safety switches
You can get a 1000A non-locking master disconnect switch from JC Whitney. Part number 74ZX7827P. http://www.jcwhitney.com/item.jhtml?ITEMID=4432BQ=rv RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Too light?
Daryl Perkins wrote: I cant argue with that, but why is it time and again my 58-60 oz plane starting in the very bottom of a gaggle of sailplanes, including heavier molded, will climb through them? Just wondering, Walter H - How is it my 90 ounce models starting in the very bottom of a gaggle of sailplanes...will climb through them? ;-) It's all about experience in thermaling. Lots of guys have models that are beyond thier capabilities for the amount they fly. If lift conditions are reasonable and the tasks aren't 10 minutes, I don't do very much circling in lift. Too bad we don't often get strong enough lift to practice rolling thermal circles. 58 oz planes don't do those as well as heavy planes. Last contest I flew an Ellipse 4 in light wind conditions. Nice TD model. All you need is decent flap area for a heavier model. I wish the E4 had more flap. Bring on the wind... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] What if....
Bill Johns wrote: Here is a scenario for you experts You find yourself way down wind and way high up with an unballasted plane and gotta head back into a moderate head wind. You can head directly into the wind on a straight line back or you can tack back and forth like a sailboat against the wind. Time is not an issue. Which technique will get you closer to home with minimal loss of altitude? This is a scenario where you have not given all the real information you need to make a decision. What you want to do is avoid flying back through sink while keeping the distance you fly as short as possible. Lift conditions will vary depending on the weather and time of day. Early in the day, straight back is probably OK. If lift conditions are present where lift and sink are well defined, then the odds are that you will fly back in sink if flying straight back, so you can guess left or right. If it's a contest, then you can probably see some other models in the sky. Then you can avoid the side that looks like it has worse conditions. If you're flying straight downwind, then use your memory. Have you been standing in lift or sink conditions for the past few minutes? If it's sink then you don't want to fly straight back. Most folks think in terms of recognizing lift conditions. When you are coming back, you have to think about recognizing sink conditions since you probably have most of the altitude you need to make it back and get your time, without sink. I usually only worry about sink in the afternoon. If all of this is too much to think about, just fly back straight. If the model is flying badly, push down elevator. Or invest in a Walston plane locator. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Backpackable sailplane
Another easy to transport wing is the Passaj. It's a 48 wing and it already breaks down into two pieces and you can have the tip plates screw on. Plus it's a lot faster than the plain foamie wings since it has a real airfoil. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Re: 8103 landing mode
You don't need to use the 8103 with the camber and landing mode switched on the stick. You can program the stick so it's always landing mode. Use a switch for launch and for reflex and camber presets. Using a slider for changing camber is definitely over rated. A fixed camber and reflex setting works just fine. I don't think there are that many pilots out there that could optimally select between 1.5 degrees camber and 2.5 degrees camber in flight. The camber yes or no is enough to worry about. Of course, even MPX beer tray pilots have been known to leave the launch switch set during speed runs. It's hard to get rid of all the switches. Nothing replaces practice. Quiet Man wrote: Howard writes: Now my 8103 programming question I used to time for Mark Navarre, who's one eccentric habit was insisting on using a JR 8103 for flying sailplanes in competition. His use of the 8103 led to several humorous moments over the years when he would either forget to hit a switch, or forget not too... If you are flying at the level where you feel the need for such niceties, another radio may serve you better. I fly the Stylus like most everybody, because it's the no brainer perfect contest radio. Several of my US team buddies have switched to MPX beer trays for various reasons, and they seem happy enough, and definitely have found a use for their spare time... There may be other radios now, maybe even JR radios that will do what you want, just make SURE you don't have to flip any switches in flight, especially getting ready to land, that is NOT the path of the avatar... RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Re: Soaring V1 #21
Remember that 6 rounds of F3b is more like 18 rounds of AMA TD. Fairly large contests can be run with F3b. You just have to accept the demands that you be in the right place at the right time to fly and larger flight groups. The contest can be speeded up by overlapping prep time with prior flight groups and cutting a minute from the working time in speed and/or distance. Scheduling and contest organization are important. Why put up with the weight? I like a contest that takes flying skills. But I know I'll never change the opinions of most AMA landing contest pilots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped from Jason Werner: ..a F3b contest ideally will have 6 rounds to allow a throughout based on FAI rules. That will take 2 days min, 3 days if there are 20 or more people. And this is perhaps the crux of the problem. 3 days for 6 rounds with 30 contestants. F3B will collapse due to it's own weight if it ever does actually become popular enough to attract 100 or so contestants. Give me a good old simple TD contest any day. happy trails - Rob Glover RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Desert Classis F3B Scores 3/2-3/3 2002
As best I can remember who was flying what. Thanks Phil and Don for putting on a good contest. (And keeping some of our southwest stash of winch batteries) Tragi 7021 Tom Kiesling ..12595 Ellipse 42.Mike. Lachowski. ..12400 F3b Icon 3.Joe Wurts ..12024 Y2K 4.Gavin Botha ..11856 F3b Icon 5.Darrrll Zaballos ..11839 F3b Icon 6.Gordon Jennings..11818 Estrella 7.Don Scegiel10343 Tragi 7028.Ben Lawless..9816 Ellipse 49.Phil Renaud..9285 Tragi 70110.Oleg Golovidov..9063 ?11.Mike leal..7723 Millenium? 12.David Zucker..6714 Escape 13.Fred McClung..6479 Millenium14.D. Thompson..6215 V-Ultra? 15.Dave Corven..5801 V-Ultra? 16.Chris Corven..4957 F3b Icon 17.Buzz Averill..3019 A few of us flew out for the contest. No real problems with the airlines. Airplanes, winches, transmitters, tools were all in checked baggage. Budget still has the best car rental deal for contests. $19.99 for a Ranger Pickup. Watch out for the F150's with 4 doors. The truck bed can be a little short for airplanes. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Happiness is...
Darwin N Barrie wrote: Yes David that IS the ICON you are talking about How I let it go without a little more research on my part is beyond me. Oh well I know it went to a good home and will be used. It appears the ICON has become the Alpha 4 of the sailplane world, high quality, extreme demand, long wait. With that thought in mind I should have put it up for bid. The ICON has nothing on the Estrella. That has an over two year waiting list. And it's been that way for a while now. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] re: adjustable towhook
The adjustable towhook is a complex piece of equipment. Don't attempt this without adult supervision. I was disappointed that I could make a towhook without having to use my milling machine. See http://www.eclipse.net/~mikel/towhook/towhook.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Adjustable tow hook
For those who like fancy machined hooks, these are really nicely done. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a few aluminum adjustables with SS hooks available. Check my web sitewww.hilaunch.com Don Richmond San Diego, CA RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Winch motor for sale
Actually the Bosch motors suck for making winches. The fords had two good features for making cheap winches. 1) the relatively long shaft that you could mount a short drum on. 2) Built-in mounts that can bolt to a simple plate. The Bosch motors require machining a motor mount. The shaft is long enough to mount into the end of a drum, or onto a coupler. They just happen to be around 13-14 milliohms. A little under the 15 milliohms required for F3b rules. There is a mythical Lucas motor that is supposed to be close, but I have never managed to get any info on what car or model number. rcsoar4fun wrote: How long is the shaft on these? They seems to be the most important reason for using the old Ford starters. I'd suggest that you go look and find some auto recyclers. Guys who take cars apart. You get a motor that was removed from a car and tested. Not rebuilt. I usually pay about $25 for my Bosch starter motors for F3b winches. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] F3B Why? (Soaring related)
The Eagle was a nice model in it's day. The basic design is the same vintage as the Ellipse 1T. Fortunately for Joe and Daryl, they were better at setting up the model and Joes understanding of launch mechanics was better than the Europeans. The Ellipse 2V is probably a better model. By that time, Joe was flying modified Eagles that had some tip extensions to improve distance performance. Now you have awesome launches that don't look as awesome because of the bigger models and 14 second speed runs that don't look fast because of the bigger models. With no lift, the Eagle could easily do 16, 17 laps in distance. Ellipse 1T's could do 16, 2V's could do 17, Cobras (now old technology) could do 18. Current models are in the 19-20 range. From what I have heard about the last WC site, it really didn't demonstrate some of the speeds and laps that the new models are capable of doing. It was a large, cool patch of green surrounded by brown. Kind of kills lift closer to the launch area. The RG15 still works pretty well. Especially for less experienced pilots. If you screw up your attitude in speed with an MH32 model, or a HQ/W model and have to push down elevator, you can watch the drag go up and see the model really slow down. The RG15 was more tolerant of those kind of mistakes. The extra $$$ comes from building all carbon models. Lightweight carbon cloth is expensive. It you could get lighter carbon cloth for the skins, the models could be even lighter, but who knows what they could cost then. Wing stiffness in bending and torsion does make a difference on launch and in flight. LesandGypsy Stockley wrote: Was talking with some people at our Nats the other week and we starting talking about how the RG15 is still a good F3B airfoil, then we got onto the latest designs and the performance you could expect from them. I started wondering if we really have come a long way since the early '90's when the F3B Eagle reigned supreme. Joe Wurts visited us down here in NZ and showed us 16 second speed runs and awesome launches that I doubt are being bettered by much today. With the launch heights available the 10 minute duration task shouldnt be a great problem. So, why are we flying larger models with higher cambered airfoils and a seemingly higher value (especially when you try to freight to NZ, $300-400 is not uncommon) when the models of nearly 10 years ago have the same or similar performance??? Any ideas or reasoning out there, Daryl, Joe? What am I missing here? Cheers, Les. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Interesting article about RC and the general public
Let's not start AMA Bashing. We've cycled through the AMA insurance stuff too many times. Please don't post any more on the AMA insurance discussion. Let's get back to Karlton bashing. Bill Malvey wrote: On 12/26/01 5:21 PM, Brett Jaffee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not anti-AMA, but as long as someone has the insurance to cover an accident (as many homeowners' insurance policies do, or so I'm told), I won't begrudge anyone who is not a member. When you get the February 2002 Model Aviation flip open to Dave Brown's column on page 5. Simple accident at a flying field, kid got hit by a deadstick plane (read glider for all intents and purposes), and lost partial sight in one eye. $900,000 settlement, pilots homeowners policy (State Farm) only paid $100,000. AMA paid the balance ($800,000). So I'd be REAL sure about my homeowners policy before I felt AMA was not worth it. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Wind and molded myths
gldr guy wrote: Btw. It doesn't have to be molded to be good and everything molded is not automatically good. I think Tom is right here. I believe over the past few years if you look at whats doing well in TD, at least out west, you will probably see at lot of non molded planes doing quite well. That makes me ask the question- how important is the airfoil accuracy one gets w/ a molded ship vs the less accurate airfoils of non molded when flying at the slower speeds usually associated with TD? - It's really simple. Any TD model designed in about the past 10 years is good enough for most TD contests. After all, they are landing contests. The primary piloting skills you need are to land well. Many molded models actually hurt because they weigh a little more than a bagged model. Construction techniques on molded models make it much harder to get really light at the tips and tail. You also don't need as strong a model for TD work as for F3j or F3b. Put one of those lightweight KC fuselages on a F3b winch and you will break the boom if you fly in any wind. You won't do that on a braided line winch, even with though they have a lot more power than a F3b winch. You just don't get the zoom with no line stretch and the drag of the retriever lines. F3j has longer flight times with lower launch heights and F3b requires a little more piloting skills. If it's windy, over 10MPH, then the performance improvements of the molded models start to make a difference. You can get a pretty good airfoil from non-molded models. It all depends on who is building it. Some of the molded models can have airfoil problems too. The one thing you do get with a well made molded model is repeatability. Put the radio in two models the same way, and they will both fly pretty much the same. A bagged model will require a little more tuning from model to model. Why do most pilots I know fly molded models? Time. No one has time to build. They want to put in as much flying as possible with the time they do have available. Some people even make a good buck putting radios in molded models for those who don't care to spend the time. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] How do I install balsa skins???
Dennis Phelan wrote: Dudes, I've been working on the trim inside the house all week. Seeing all the nice grains as I put the clear polyurethane has been reminding me of the beautiful wood finishes that Hans Mueller put on the Anigree[?] skins of his planes and the so many others that have been around before the days of[painted] glass and carbon. How many others miss that? The wood was nice. I still have a few sheets of Anigre as well as Obeche. The Anigre used was pretty thin. Probably only a couple of ounces extra on a unlimited wing compared to 1/16 balsa and much more durable. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Re: NO RETRIEVERS AT THE NATS!!!!
David J. Schat wrote: Ah! So there are twelve winches not launching models while the carts bring the lines back. how many launches could be done in that time? My guess is that if your doing 8 launches in 90 seconds you could probably launch at least another 8 people or more in the time it takes to drive the lines back and hook everyone up. You miss the point They are flying man on man. Retrievers spend a lot of time in the air and it would slow down the speed that you put the group in the air. The closer together the launch, the closer you get to man on man. Plus if you have a cross wind because the wind changed directions, you might be even slower with retrievers. Anyway, lots of rounds at the Nats are things like 10 minutes. If you have one group getting close to landing, another just launched, and a third getting ready, you start to run into problems with frequency control and mixing up the matrix. The idea of having lots of winches is to get everyone in the group in the air at the same time. It's not to see how fast you can launch people. Plus finding 6 kids who want to drive golf carts is easier than finding 12 experienced retriever operators. The best part is you get to watch folks blow up models when they don't have the drag of the retreiver and have all that power to put into the launch. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Luke Waters wins AMA prize
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1567918a=14016859p=56634170 Lucky old Luke got that scholarship. As you can see from the pics he can't even afford shoes:-) And if you look at his chin, he even looks like his skegs after a landing in grass. That nice green stuff on the ground for those in the SW. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] DP Plane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a picture of the plane DP won with posted anywhere? Thanks, Rich There is one photo of the T-tail version. Gavin Botha is holding this model. http://www.minfo.cz/f3b2001/images/Hac_Perk.jpg I believe it is probably close to this 3-view, but I suspect this is the previous generation Warp based on the date. It does have a higher aspect ratio than typical F3b models, but then every two years, we seem to keep adding 3-4 inches to the wingspan. http://www.aerodesign.de/modelle/F3B/warp1.htm RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Europeon Noses High-F3B Sites
Marc Gellart wrote: It is kind of interesting that one of the sites, not the official one I think, was really kind of slamming the Icons as not stiff enough and if only Daryl and Joe would fly real F3B ships from Europe they might have a chance. I hope the term bring it on will be appropriate at the end of this. Marc I guess he wrote that before speed was flown. The larger size is very deceptive. It doesn't look fast even when it's going fast. And of course, for the same precent of bending, the amount of bending you see at the tip on a larger wing will look like more. Let's just hope the weather gets better and things start moving faster so they can get a full six rounds in for the contest. The amount of flying on the first day was not impressive, but that may have been the weather. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Winch 'chutes
Kevin Sheen wrote: we are in need of a New England parachute. Sal is out and says they aren't being made anymore. Does anyone know of a place that may still have stock left? The New England chutes are still being made. I have some available, 10 size. Not sure if I have any 12 size at the moment. $15 ea + SH. I also have Speedline and Pentagonline if you are looking for monofilament. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Ultracote Plus source
Ultracote is handled by Horizon Hobbies. www.horizonhobby.com. Web site says black and white are in stock. They are now the exclusive north america distributors and you'll start seeing the Hangar 9 name instead of Goldberg. Of course that also explains why Tower has discontinued the product. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] V-tails, Euro-moldies suck for....
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any one have comments on how the recent trend of light weight V-tail Euro-molded ships handle in a TD contest? Always hearing they don't fair well in the landing task. But then again the earlier ships were much heavier with higher wing loading. V-tails suck for landings Heavy planes suck for landings... Compared to full flying stabs on light airplanes.. The real issue is design. Most of the european V-tails are not designed to provide enough control authority. If they made the tail bigger and decreased the angle between the tails they would be much better. Put some current conventional tail models into Plane Geometry and then put in some of the European designs. Look at the numbers. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] [Fwd: [FAIsoaring] F3J-towing]
Hallo all, I was asked by leading members of the German Aero Club ( national soaring committee ) to provide following information to the members of the soaring list as wellto thewhole F3J community : The German national body DAeC ( German Aero Club ) decided on a meeting last week-endnot to adopt the new towing rule (safety notice from march 26th 2001 ) and to use a local rule according to the Sporting Code from Jan 1st 2001 ( 2-man -towing with "stake" ) instead. Reason are that the German Aero Club realizes that the simply banning of the "stake" provides a lot of danger for helpers and towmen in F3J competition . On the other hand the 2-man towing with a adequately fixedground anchors waswell-proved and tested for many years in international competitions. This towing system was developed by a german F3J-working-pool who was working for 7 years on safety questions. The ideaand intension was to keep the tow-men out of the line of fire ( wipping lines ) by using a towing -bar or a V-rope and to use a well fixedground anchor instead of "human anchors " who are in serious danger as well . The accident in Slovakia was sincerely regreted but the towing method used in this accident had nothing to do with the safety standards in F3J competitions today. Furtheron the German Aero Club will send a protest letter to the chairman of the F3B/F3J sub-committee Mr. Thomas Bartovsky ! Also the german Aero Club willagain present a proposal at the next CIAM meeting which includes a detailed drawning and description forthe so called 2-man-towing ( one main stake with at least 2 additional stakes, similar to F3B turnaround ) in addition to the proven towing method according to Sporting Code from Jan 1st 2001. The German Aero Club also prefers to see F3J going on with "hand-towing" and not to establish power-winches to keep the specific identity of the popular F3J class. This was decided on a meeting early this winter ! If you need more information on this please write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] best regardsStefan Eder ( GER-2003 )..
[RCSE] [Fwd: [FAIsoaring] F3J and stackes]
From the FAIsoaring list if you're not subscribed to that one. Paulo Dias Guimares wrote: Hi, Realated to CIAM deliberations about F3J with prohibition of the use of stacks I decided to post a poll asking the opinion of our fellows aeromodelers. The results will be sent to CIAM. http://www.terravista.pt/enseada/8023 Best Regards, Paulo Dias Guimares RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Mad cows eliminate the steak from soaring
OK, so we have a big uproar about what sounds like a safety rule change in F3B/J for hand towing. The CIAM is mostly european. I'm sure Terry Edmonds was at the meeting and he will report back. Terry did as the AMA district reps for FAI soaring for input on the rules changes that were on the agenda. There is an orderly process for adopting rules changes. The one exception is the addition of safety rules. These take effect immediately. If this is what has been done, then we have to live with it. I'm sure there will be some recycle. One-man tow appeared, then got dropped partly because of safety concerns. All the national reps will probably get an earful from the competitors when they get back. All we can hope for is for common sense to prevail before the team selections and next WC. While everyone thinks of these things as soaring contests, the truth is they are man on man. This means that they start out as a launching contest. Those who thought they could turn the simple, low cost BARCS format into a WC class must have failed history class. If it has WC status, it will not end up simple or low cost. For those out there who are thinking of just sticking with thier tried and true, this is the way we do it in our part of the country, AMA contest. Take another look at F3b. Sure you'll find old timers out there who think F3b guys are a bunch of stuck up you know whats. If you look at the F3b contests we do have, you will find a whole bunch of other guys who weren't around when F3b rules were developing. The rules have been pretty stable. The biggest recent changes were making the duration task 10 minutes. All the equipment you need is available if you look. Go fly F3b! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Hawaii Pilots are Lucky
Hawaii for F3f. I'm interested... How about if we move the F3f Viking Qualifier from CA to Hawaii! It's certainly much nicer than where it's planned now. And at least we won't have to rent a generator to make sure we can charge our flight packs at night. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Re: JR 8103 Question
You can select PPM or PCM with the 8013. You can use either receiver and you don't need to change the module to do it. PPM and PCM are both FM. They just use different techniques to encode the data being sent. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Re: Members
RCSE is not associated in any ways with Yahoo. It is supported by Airage Publications (Model Airplane News) and it is an email based service. Several sites out there archive mail lists and several archive RCSE. There may also be some groups created out there with the name RCSE at some other places that are not in any way related. Your RCSE list cat herder since day one, many many years ago... Mike Lachowski. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] is this thing on?
We had an incident where lots of .net addresses got bounced around new years. A note was sent out to most of those subscribers to resubscribe. As Jon noted, there are plenty of folks who read it via places like egroups. I know since I usually have several messages every day that I have to approve because they are from those pilots who get RCSE that way. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Number Drill Source?
My favorite sources for machine tool supplies are http://www.use-enco.com and http://www.penntoolco.com A set of 1-60 ranges between $19 and $35 depending on the type of finish and if it's US made or an import. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] New Digital Servos from JR
Just got the latest stuff from Horizon on the new servos. Digital servos with metal gears DS368 53 oz/in micro servo 341/351 size DS3421 65 oz/in mini servo DS9411 82 oz/in mid size Digital servo, not metal gears DS3301 56 oz/in same size as a 3321 which is close to a Airtronics 94141. If you're looking for a small RX with lots of channels, check out the R700. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] emphasis on thermaling
Man-on-man and less launch altitude could emphasize flying skills, also strategy would be important. OK, so your choices are F3j or F3b. Both do a good job on man-on-man soaring, but emphasize maximizing your launch altitude to gain an advantage over your competitors. After that it's flying skills and strategy. One interesting part, to be successful you need enough equipment. Contestants providing thier own equipment is the best way to do this. So everyone go out and get a winch. Sort of like the duration task in F3B, only severely limit the power and height of the launches.A lot of pilots dont care to run around towing (F3J) or throw their arms out (HLG) and F3B will probably never attract a large number of participants due to cost and hassle. I disagree on the F3b being expensive. OK, so I fly a $900+ model in F3b and I have more than one. But that is because I go to the team selection contest and having a backup model that flies exactly the same as the primary is important to me. And I want to minimize the impact of the possible loss of a model and the time it takes to optimize it's setup. I can build a competitive model for much less, but I don't have the time. I fly F3b with a few guys who enjoy doing it with used F3b models that they paid less for than your typical AMA bagged model kit. And they think they are a lot more fun to fly than a TD model. As far as F3b winches, there are some relatively inexpensive F3b winches out there. They cost less than alot of those expensive motors the power guys crash all the time. Anyone price something like a YS140 lately? You can buy a winch for less and new loads of line cost alot less than some of those fancy carbon props. A good winch battery costs about the same as a four gallon case of fuel. The only hassle I know of is all the club members who like to come out to the field and use the winch someone else carted out and set up for them. F3b winches are typically less powerful than the average AMA club winch. The models just happen to be set up better. The real reason people don't fly F3b is they don't understand and don't want to try and understand. They are comfortable doing things the way they have been doing things for the last 20 years. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong about being nostalgic about the RES model you learned to fly on. It's hard to find someone to fly F3b with in most of the country so unfortunately most have no chance to learn. Fortunately decent equipment is much easier to come by thanks to Tom at F3x, Dieter at Shredair, Rich at Chicagosky1, and Sean at Aeromodel. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] JR R610M receiver
If you're looking for an interesting RX to try, check out the new R700 FM receiver. I've had one of the test ones in my PicoJet all year. Smaller than the 549's and only .64 oz with the case. The web site shows the 610M as in stock. There is no mention of the short antenna that was on the original model. I haven't had any problems with the 610M including flying a HLG low over all my other transmitters but others had other experiences with the initial run. It's probably not a bad idea to have the tuning on your TX modules checked every now and then too. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] For sale, new Esprit wing
I have a spare Esprit wing for sale. White with blue bottom. Bottom hinged flap. Brand new, never flown. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] F3B Team Selection Finals Results
No really great speed times or distance flights. Due to field limitations, many of the speed and distance rounds were flown with different wind directions than normal. I think that 5 of the 6 speed rounds were flown with the wind going the opposite direction of what would normally be set up. Wurts had the best speed run, around 16 seconds. I don't recall any really good distance flights. The course seemed to diverge out a little farther away from the sights in both directions and some of the best air was out away from the course. Landing out was a real risk since the dirt out on the course was pretty rough. I have one damaged wing tip landing upwind on a distance flight in this stuff. I guess for California, it was a really good field, but compaired to the sod farms I normally fly on, it was really bad. They were mowing dirt to clear some of the junk in the winch line areas before the contest. We still had quite a bit of line rash on the groundlines and everyone chewed up quite a bit of line. Wind conditions were really variable through the day due to the wind coming up the valley from the bay in the afternoons. One Sunday afternoon was really blowing. We had a fair amount of crosswind launches and one distance round that was slightly downwind almost the whole round. For models, Wurts - Cobra, but he did fly his new model which has two working names for the last round since he had no throw outs. Botha - Y2K which has molds made from the same plug as the Millenium, but construction of the model is different. He was flying a 3-piece wing version. Perkins - that ugly Cobra Stu sent him. Green with yellow spots. It died an ugly death plus a resurrection in round 5. Jason Werner has pictures of that. For us east coast guys who gave california a good run for the money, Kiesling was flying a Tragi 702 and I was flying a Tragi 701. I think Jennings was 6th flying a Diamond. For radios, my recollection is MPX, Stylus, MPX, JR8103, JR10X, Stylus A few cobras died on launch. These guys can't coordinate things. They all killed the left wing panel, so now we have a lot of right wing cobra owners. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] SIDEARM WINS NATS HANDLAUNCH
Skip Miller wrote: I thought this should be MENTIONED as it hasn't appeared on the exchange.It is fairly important, possibly revolutionary(no pun intended) PAUL SIEGEL out flew everyone flying his own design DISCO besting the field of some of the top handlaunch pilots THROWING Disc throw(1 revolution). This may change the future of handlaunch as now most ALL pilots can start the task at the same height(a novel soaring concept). Yes, there were some top california arms and thumbs in the large entry National Handlaunch,as well as last years National Champion,and past Natioal Champions in the field. No one stayed with the consistency of Siegel. I'm sure there are plenty of excuses below #1, but the discus throw is a fact! His self developed ship(I know he has a bunch of friends that helped as well, but I don't know there names) is fairly traditional in design and span, long tail German fuse, cruciform tail from Mirage, beefed up tip for the discus throw. It was a very competive field with Siegel 1st, lost his 1st name Miller(not me) 2nd, Perkins 3rd and Fox4th. The Miller was Tom Miller from PA, flying his own design. Tom lost it on the last round with a landing that was out by just a few feet. Probably would have given him enough time. I think Joe Hahn was 6th, I was just a few points behind Daryl going into the last round, but Jerry Robertson hosed me, Joe Hahn, and Mike Fox which bumped Daryl up to 3rd since he won his group. I can't complain about 8th since the last time I flew HLG was the last nats. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Looking for Dan, I have more mono
Dan, my shipment of Monofilament came in. Send me an e-mail. I lost your address. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Foam cutting - curls up
Welcome to extruded foam sheets. The pink Foamular (not Dow) foam you were using can have quite a bit of stress in the skins. You have two options. One is to shave a thin layer off the each side, the other is to score the top and bottom of the sheet before you cut it. Using a plank in addition to the weights to keep the foam blank flat helps too. You will still end up with core beds that look like hobie hawk wings, but your core should be fairly flat. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Modified F3J contest
"James V. Bacus" wrote: Has anyone tried running a F3J contest with a modification of adding one minute to the working time beyond the duration of the task? If you add two minutes and use a winch, I call it F3b task A. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] JR 10x vs. 8103
Rob Skiba wrote: experience with these tell me if one suits soaring better than the other? I have flown the 10x in RC Jets before and gliders but have no experience with the 8103 in a glider. Does the 8103 have flight modes? I know it now has digital trims, but I am wondering about the mixing... Both radios are capable of running conventional 6 servo thermal ships. The 8103 will be much easier to program since the glider settings already have the standard mixes that you need built in. With the 10X, you will have to use some of the programmable mixers to get some of the presets and possibly some mixes. If by flight modes, you mean launch, thermal, landing, then yes, the 8103 does have flight modes. It's also a little easier on the wallet. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Where to buy?
Try http://dmoz.org/Recreation/Aviation/Model_Aviation/Radio_Controlled/Soaring/ At the moment, I have 308 soaring related links, all good, valid links. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] soaring/bilding links
I maintain a list of links at dmoz.org. What ever happened to your foam cutter page? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
