Re: [RCSE] Parkflyer a problem?
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Emerson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ME: Hey what channel are you on? PFG: I dunno ME: Well you might be interfering with our club field across the street, you don't want to shoot down one of those $2000 planes do you? PFG: Meh. ME: Well you could join our club and enjoy frequency control and the shared knowledge of 100 fellow pilots. PFG: How much? ME: Our club is only $20 a year, but of course you would have to become an AMA member for $60 a year. PFG: No thanks walks away We don't fly at our club field much anymore. You are probably not interested in constructive criticism, but I can point out a number of things in your conversation if better worded or perhaps brought up in a different order would make this conversation much more likely to end positively. I have had this conversation about 2 dozen times over the last 3 years, and have only had the PFG says no thanks and walks away happen once. Some people, you can't reach, but I have found the vast majority of folks really would like to learn more and also don't want an interference issue to down their model. Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nats Issue and AMA ED
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], TJB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And one issue a year about competition shouldn't be such a big deal. How are people going to learn about it and become interested? I agree. And, Jim's Nats coverage was awesome. Sad to see we do not have it in the mag this year. Glad though that Jim was part of Nats News, especially since my new job forced me to miss the Nats for the first time since '98. But, if you guys follow the letters to the editor section, you would have seen that a lot of letters came in complaining about the Nats issue being a waste of an issue in the writer's mind. I guess on one hand, we should be happy that the AMA tries to respond to its membership. Like how DB's recent column made mention of the soaring guy's concerns over his altitude limit article. I'm sad to see the coverage go away, and when I get my magazine this month I will send an email to DB about my thoughts on it, but I understand the logic of why the AMA tried this out. I guess it won't be long before AMA becomes the AEA (All Electric Association), like many of the soaring clubs. We sure better! Small electrics are where this hobby is going. And fast. We can either be part of that and welcome it into our fold, or become unimportant. I love soaring as much as everyone else. It is what I would rather be flying given the option, but I must admit that over the past 2 years I have flown small electrics as much or more than gliders. And so far as new pilots go, I am seeing a ton of them. All flying small electrics. How about this for an exercise. Raise your hand if you are reading this list and are under 30 years old. I bet we don't get more than 3 raised hands. Now go out to rcgroups and you will see a lot of posts from young adults that are flying electrics and do not even yet have a drivers license! Ryan Woebkenberg RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Model Aviation Editor's reply
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for every twenty modelers only one flies competitively? Soaring, by its nature is competitive. Kind of like saying that most people that like to go out and hit baseballs in batting practice also like to compete in baseball games. We have a pretty good sport in that we have nice objective measurments. Time on a watch, inches from a spot, laps on a course, etc. And, soaring is like golf. You can go to a course by yourself and shoot some flights and landings and judge yourself against your last day out. Go drive around your neighborhood. Look for a local park. Go there on a weekend. Or a weeknight after work/school. You will see guys aged 40 and under (and some in thier 20s and perhaps teens) flying electric powered foam planes. Some are flying models that came complete with all the gear for about a C note. Some might be flying home built jobs from insulation. They are like folks that like to ski. My wife and I like to go ski several times a year, and we know several other couples that do the same, but do not know anybody that competes in the sport. We need to seek out these folks, and invite them into the fold. This is what I try to do. I try to help instruct new pilots, etc. Some may take the leap into soaring. Some of course will not. Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Parkflyer a problem?
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lee Estingoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also think that the AMA better come up with some REAL solution to the Parkflyer / renegade flier (vs. or nearby) traditional fields issue. Seems to me a long time ago the AMA could have simply huddled with the 3 or 4 RC TX manufacturers and gotten them to voluntarily put the parkie (4 channel and under) radios on a select few channels and warned the rest of us to stay clear (like driving on New Year's Eve). You can either look at this as a problem, or an opportunity. Lee, I don't know if you meant it this way, but your post comes across pretty negative towards park flyers. Instead of looking at these models and these flyers as a problem, why not look at them as an opportunity? I fly quite a bit at local parks, having never lived in a city with a dedicated soaring club (except while I was at Purdue). Every time I meet another person at a park with an airplane (be it $30.00 on off model, a throttle and rudder aerobird model, or a guy flying a 3D style ship), I always introduce myself and get their email address. I always ask them what channel they are on (and more often than not, they do not know) and explain that I would not want to be on the same channel as them and it cause their model to fly improperly. See, this is what I don't understand about people who think they other guy is going to cause a frequency problem for them. It goes both ways. A modeler with a parkflyer does not want his pride and joy to be damaged as much as we don't want our super moldie to be damaged. That 2K we have in a moldie very well could be the economic equivalent of what a college student has in his 3D fomie. OK, back onto constructive things. Unfortunately, I moved away from Indy, but I had built up a network of about 25 pilot's emails addresses. I was sending out an email about once a week to let folks know when I and others would be out at the field and if I would bring my high start along. Some folks used this group to start indoor electric flying, and a few of the pilots actually started flying gliders. One of the new pilots I tried to help out actually attended the Nats for the first time this year. So instead of looking at park flyers as a problem, why don't we invite them into the fold? I flew both my LSF 4 1 hour flights at this park along side park flyers flying GWS planes and 3D planes. Our hobby can and does coexist! It just takes a bit of working together. A positive attitude can and does go along way. Treating parkflyer pilots like an equal (regardless of the type or cost of their model) will go a long way towards building mutual respect. Off soap box . Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] How to dye clear covering film for translucent finish?
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], lothar_thole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am planning to use clear Ozcover Lite to cover my 2m Wind Dancer wing. I know you can paint it after covering, but I would like a translucent finish, and to save the weight of the paint. Any ideas on how I can dye the adhesive side of the film before covering? One suggestion is aerosol paint lightly sprayed on the adhesive side, my concern would be getting an even coat. Other suggestions include fabric dye, red ink and red wine! Hello, Any reason why you would not just use ultracote lite? It is pretty light stuff, and you can get it in translucent. Several years ago a guy named Rolland Klingberg used to sell this really thin/light transparent covering. This was before Ultracote Lite came out. I bought some, and managed to die it using RIT die. I put the die and water in a big pot on my stove and heated the pot up somewhat, and then put the pre cut pieces of covering in the pot and mixed it around for an hour. It did die the covering translucent, but it was a very light coloring. Much lighter than your standard ¡§transparent¡¨ covering. End result also had a slight ¡§tie die¡¨ result. You can also use magic markers to color the adhesive side of the covering, at least you could with the stuff Klingberg was selling. I also used that, although it was kind of ugly. Or perhaps I am not very good with the markers! º Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Fw: Hits on the Genie web pages
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Harley Michaelis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please excuse if a duplicate. I'm impressed that the # of hits on the Genie web pages is over 13,000 Hey Harley, I timed for a pilot at the '98 Nats that flew a Genie. Great ship. I think your website is a valuable resource. I am sure lots of guys agree. I keep hearing about guys putting RDS in other planes (and I see people talking about it all the time on the scale group on rcgroups) I have not built a Genie (I am more of an RES flyer), but have been building Bubble Dancers and Allegro Lites. There are many great things about building I learned on your Genie page, and I did put RDS in my now retired Wizard HLG (converted to speed 400). Thanks for all the hard work you have put into documenting your design over the years. And here is to hoping you have many more years to continue to think things up. Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] September 2005 RC Soaring Digest
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Bill Bunny Kuhlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The September issue of RC Soaring Digest (7.4MB) is now available for downloading from the RCSD web site. http://www.rcsoaringdigest.com Wow! I read this issue yesterday, and I thought I would send a shout out to Bill and Bunny for producing such an excellent magazine. Great articles and great pictures! 46 pages of actual soaring content. Man, you can't beat that, and all one has to do is go download it. 2 articles on large contests, a build article, an article on aero tow, lots of good soaring pictures, and a very good insiders recap of the European F3J championship. Something for everyone! Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Tulsoar
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ray Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] It won't be long for this club before the dominant flyers will be the little buzzy things. Bye bye sailplanes. I don't see why electric park flyers and sailplanes can't coexist. I have flown with electric park flyers quite a bit over the past 2 years. Generally they fly lower and in a box and when I am launching, I just call out launching and they keep thier box to the side of the field away from my launch. Likewise, I don't wander into thier box when I am low. They really don't want a mid air any more than I would. Works well as long as people are willing to communicate with each other. The folks I flew with in Carmel all were. Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Okay, change the subject to something more informative! Let's talk about The golden rules!!! shall we?!?!?!
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Flying High [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WHAT IS GOOD SPORTSMANSHIP AND can you provide examples? I'm sure in the process one can pick-up on something new and learn. After all, it's not like we compete to attain a $$$ purse for a top standing, right. A few years ago at the Nats, Artie was flying well in the top 10 (perhaps leading), when he landed and a little part of his skeg popped off. Nobody noticed, but Artie insisted in taking a zero for that landing. That's sportsmanship. Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] NATS Entries Look Good-Death to 2-meter
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Michael Lachowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Friends don't let friends fly 2M. Anyway, if you want classes that require real skill, I look forward to you entering F3b at next years Nats. What!!?? 2 Meters suck? I just spent like 8 months building one! I guess I might as well toss it in the trash then. Or better yet let it thermal away. Shame, it seems to fly so well. shrug :-) Smiley added for Jim and other's benefit! Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] OVSS/Line Stuff- I was there!!
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most spectacular flight had to be a Bubble Dancer that was superbly trimmed. In the next to last round on Sat., this plane was lauched and (best guess) the RX battery died shortly after launch. The plane thermalled magnificently for about 10+ minutes in view before circling away out of sight WAY downwind. John Diniz took off in his truck, picked up pilot who was in chase on foot, and they took off after the plane. They had to give up about 2.5-3 miles away when they couldn't cross a park between them and the thermalling plane, hooking up yet again and gaining altitude. The owner's name was in the plane, I hope he gets it back. That was my Bubble Dancer. It was the last round of the contest actually (the 15 minute task). For me, the moral to this story is to make proper use of the technology you have. I had a few 1 hour flights on that model as well as some all day sessions. But I had not flown it much over the winter or this spring due to moving. I should have used my Cirius battery checker to see if it would still deliver the 600 mA it did when I first checked the pack out. I also should have used my Cirius Pro to charge it after every flight. I posted a note to the Allegro group, but I'd like to send a big shout out to John D. at JR. JR/Horizon is doing a great job sponsoring the OVSS. I really appreciated John's help attempting to hunt this runaway sailplane down. I'm hoping in a few days the media reports that the Bubble Dancer is found in Reno (or wherever they found the runaway bride) playing some baccarat. The CSS guys put on a great contest. Ryan Woebkenberg RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] HLG contest this Saturday in Muncie
All, This event was sanctioned sort of late, so I don't think it got published in the magazine. Sorry for the late notice. The MIST club is holding a HLG contest this Saturday at the AMA national flying site. 1st through 3rd place plaques. Pilots meeting at 9:30 and first round soon after. Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Not a hi-start story but.....
OK, I'll chime in as well. I started this aero modeling hobby with model rockets in the 80s. In 1994 I got bitten by the RC bug with the intention of flying RC rocket gliders. I had built, flown, crashed, rebuilt, etc. a Spirit of 76 and a Skeeter. So I was finally ready to actually boost some RCRGs. My first RCRGs was a scratch built from a set of plans. Model was about 40 inches in span, wooden pod and carbon aero shaft boom, built up fully sheeted wing. Spent about a month on it. Powered by a D12. First flight. I wave to the guy with the launch controller to indicate I am ready to boost. He gives the count down. Motor ignites, gets about 2 feet off the launch rod (this was before I had a lunching tower for these things), and the motor explodes into a huge fireball (known as a CATO in the rocket world. Rare, but occasionally happens). Bits and pieces EVERYWHERE. Servos blown to bits, the whole works. As it turns out, a buddy of mine got this captured on film. There is this awesome Death Star explosion type photo of bits of burning propellant, bits of the balsa pod, bits of wing, and bits of RC gear in mid air. Worst of all, the photo was published! It was sent to the NAR's (rocket version of AMA) magazine and was included in a section similar to the part in MA where people send in pictures of their newly built creations on display. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Model Rockets on Discovery Channel
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Last nights Discovery Channel program started me thinking (dangerous :~) A few years ago at Visalia, a guy had a small v-tailed RC glider (approx. 1.5 meters), that was rocket assisted. I believe this was a commercially manufactured kit. Does anyone know abut this glider, where one may purchase one, or if they even exist anymore? Dan - So Cal Dan, What you are probably talking about is Radio Controlled Rocket Gliders (RCRG). I have flown these for a number of years. The rocket motors that propelled them (long burn motors with no ejection charge) and the kits themselves are limited availability at current. There are a few models and motors on the market, but these do not have the performance of a ~190 gram 1.1 meter wingspan model with a 40 Newton Second impulse motor that burns for 7.5 seconds. Such a model will boost to 800 or so feet at which time one starts looking for thermals. Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Question for any RES, Nostalgia and Woodcrafter pilots out there
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SNIP My six plane canidates are: Viking (Mk. I or Mk. II) Legionair (whenever it becomes available) Marauder Paragon Challenger Astro-Jeff I am open to any write in canidates as well if you would like to recommend something. Would be interested in hearing your likes, dislikes, horror stories or anything else for that manner. I built a Paragon last winter and flew it this summer for both 30 minute LSF3 flights and the 1K XC flight as well as the RES and NOS nats. I like the Paragon a lot, and find it fits my flying style well. You probably already heard this, but there were 2 Paragons in the top 5 in NOS this year and a Challenger won the event. The Challenger is a real nice plane. I'm assuming one would unplug the flaps to make it RES legal? The pilot that won NOS also flew the Challenger in RES and was in the top 10. If you do build a Paragon, be sure to add carbon to the spars. I did this on mine, and the wing is quite stout. Many folks only fly NOS type ships in nice conditions, but at the Nats this year there was an 8+ mph wind and quite a few models shed parts on launch. If you are planning to contest with one of these planes try to find somebody that has built one and flew it in 15+ mph winds and pick their brain on what kind of mods (if any) they did. I have flown my Paragon in conditions like this and can attest the wing is quite strong with the extra carbon I added. I laminated a multilayer (tapered) 3 ounce unidirectional carbon spar to the spruce that came with the kit. I'm assuming you are planning on adding spoilers to whatever you choose to build. This would certainly be the way to go, even if you were not planning on competing. I made my first two flights with the Paragon before I had put the spoiler linkages in, and found myself quite high and wanting to burn off altitude. Ryan RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Running on empty?
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 07:50 AM 3/9/2003, rdwoebke wrote: SNIP I am not trying to be negative here, I just have the urge to fly large r/c sailplanes and not much else. SNIP I used to be that way too. Propellers scared me and messy fuel and oil made me nauseous. Then, the discus revolution came around, and I had 2 brand new Wizard wings sitting in a box. I let them gather dust for about 10 months before I decided to take the plunge and order a motor, gearbox, speed controller, folding prop, and electric fuse. Since then I have found that I can do lots of fun soaring at lunch (I had always and still fly a lot of D/HLG at lunch). Charge the pack the night before, the electric Wizard fits in the trunk of my Z fully assembled, arrive at the field and I am at 600 feet and hunting thermals in a minute! Of course, since you are exclusively flying the big stuff, cost of entry into an electric will be a lot more (big brushless motors, batteries, etc. $$), but how cool would it have been to have had an electric Icon? :-) And think of the fun these contests would be for small clubs/groups? No winches to fuss with (or have to aquire). No line breaks. No hernias from lugging lead acid batteries around. Man on Man launches. Pure thermaling (long tasks would be ideal) because nobody is going to go for some ridiculously small LZ and risk ramming their nice motor/gear box into the dirt. For the folks staying around for RES/NOS at the NATS, 1/2A LMR and A LMR is the day after.. DISCLAIMER FOR THE HUMOR IMPAIRED: I still enjoy flying/supporting traditional winch/hand tow contests. But I have also seen the light of the electric LMR and wish to inform others of its merits. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Contest Participation
Hey, I'm a firm believer in joining the AMA. I pay my AMA dues 2 years at a time. When I made the reference to clubs, I did not mean formally sanctioned clubs. I was trying to give the poster some contest options. Of course, AMA clubs would need to ensure that everyone flying at their field is an AMA member, to the best of their ability. And yes, I am quite concerned that an accident could occur at a flying field. My hope for the folks that I have met that are yet to join the academy is that their renters or homeowners insurance would cover them. I always do my best to present the academy in a positive light and encourage them to join. I'd also feel the same concern about insurance if rather than flying gliders around the sky we were playing a game of softball. But since I fly at public parks, I'm in no position to force anyone to join anything. Ryan --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Larry Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have one mistake. If you are flying at a AMA club site/field. You are required to have AMA. That is part of the charter for that site. You don't have to get a sanction to have a contest. That just protects the contest from another club having the exact same contest on the same day in the same area. You can fly on someone else property if you have permission to do so. They assume you have some kind of insurance to pay for damages that can happen. Like hitting someone, putting their eye out, smashing out a window of a house or car. Running into the power lines and taking out the power. Crashing and having the batteries pop out and short and cause a fire in the field,crops,forest,roof. I can go on about it. You know. Its a nice feeling to know that the guys your flying with, care's enough about your well being by doing something simple as getting a AMA card. Larry TaylorKF6JBG E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web http://home.earthlink.net/~cvrcsoaring/cvrc.htm CD for Visalia Fall Soaring Festival 5th and 6th Oct. 2002 New Club Web Site: www.cvrcsoaring.com - Original Message - From: rdwoebke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Contest Participation When a contest director sanctions an AMA meet, he is required to assure that all participants are AMA members. Keep in mind that there is nothing stopping you from having informal or unsanctioned contests. Clubs have them all the time. There is a club in my state that has a contest each month. No entry fee, but there is also no prizes. Critical mass is starting to build in my area, and I'm hoping to have a few of these informal contests next year. Most of the new pilots that I am meeting are of a similar mind set as you when it comes to the AMA membership. I'd still like to encourage some friendly contests, however. You should contact the LSF president about finding if LSF really requires AMA membership. I would think that the LSF is an international organization, and I'd expect the international participants may not be AMA members. If AMA membership is required, I'd bet it stems from the fact that the LSF receives a lot of support from the AMA. The two organizations combine forces to hold the soaring nationals, for example. I know Jack reads this list, so I'm sure he will jump in here with a clarification. Many clubs really have to work hard to acquire a field. In many cases, this involves petitioning local government organizations or corporations. Quite similar to proposing a business case. If the question of liability arises, and it often does, the AMA insurance is a quick solution. That's why many clubs insist upon AMA membership and sanctioning contests. They are just trying to ensure their own continued existence. I admit, when I first started flying RC as a college freshman, I did not have AMA membership. I now realize it is a nominal fee towards assuring that the hobby of model airplanes will survive for years to come. The insurance thing is a nice peace of mind, but the AMA has done many things that you benefit from that you are probably not aware of, such as working with the FCC many years ago to assure that we have frequencies. Without some amount of lobbying our frequencies could easily be overtaken by cellular phones and pagers. Similarly, the AMA has other cool programs to support special interest groups and junior members. The cost of the AMA membership/nationals entry for juniors is literally only a handful of dollars. I'm happy to see my membership fee go towards these programs, even if I do not benefit directly. Aeromodeling can be an expensive hobby. For most, rather than jump in all at once they tend to purchase things a bit at a time. A better charger here, dedicated receivers for each plane, a workbench tool there, and I'd expect that somewhere along
[RCSE] re: GOBLIN
My Goblin weighs slightly under 7 oz. Not only is it a great economical way to get into tip launching, this is one fun machine. I built the 2 piece wing. Ryan --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Dave Seay" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Goblin is listed at 7 oz on http://www.tgworks.com/goblin.htm with a wing loading of 3.5oz. Is that flying weight or kit weight? At $165 for this EPP DLG, it looks like a great and economical way to master the discus launch. Thanks, Dave RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
