[RCSE] Nostalgia at 2006 Nats
I just checked the schedule for the Nats. It is after all the time to get the new vacations lined up before anyone else wants the same week off. Anyway, I noticed that Fridaylists RES but not Nostalgia.Is this correct? No NOS this coming year? Tom KoszutaWestern New York Sailplane and Electric FlyersBuffalo, NY
[RCSE] Nostalgia kit for sale
For us golden age types, I have a Midwest Lil' T kit for sale. It's a 74 T-tail sailplane and the kit is in good condition. Here's the fun part: it's designed for single-channel rudder only. The box says Ideal for Galloping Ghost Single Channel Proportional. While I suppose you could engineer an elevator control, real men don't need all them steenking servos anyway ... :-) Best offer of $50 or more and I'll pay US shipping. Loren RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Reply: [RCSE] Nostalgia rules and list of Nostalgai Models
Lists of kits and plans are available on the LSF website: http://www.silentflight.org/NOS/NosRules.htm Follow the links at the bottom of the page for .pdf, .txt and .xls formats. Tom Kallevang Wheeling, IL LSF President Webmaster LSF #303 Level V #103 AMA L292 SOAR (Chicago) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Nostalgia rules and list of Nostalgai Models
Looking for the above. At one time I believe Nostolgia info was on the skybench web site. Thanks - Tom
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia rules and list of Nostalgai Models
Nostalgia is now an AMA event and the rules are on their web site. I think they are still on the LSF web site but these are now no longer official. Jack Iafret Past (not Old :-))Keeper of the Nostalgia rules On 4/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking for the above. At one time I believe Nostolgia info was on the skybench web site. Thanks - Tom -- Jack Iafret Home and Hobbies Acc't. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Nostalgia Question
I have a question for the Nostalgia rules type guys out there. If I have a design with a balance tab on the rudder and change it to a straight rudder is it still legal. All sizes and outlines of the vertical fin and rudder are unchanged except for the balance tab. Mark Miller Isthmus Models __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia Question
Mark, Check the LSF website. There used to be a page with the Rules on it, as provided by JAck Iafret, as a coursety to the soaring public. --Jack Strother Granger, IN LSF 2948 LSF Level V #117 LSF Official 1996 - 2004 CSS Gold -- Original message -- I have a question for the Nostalgia rules type guys out there. If I have a design with a balance tab on the rudder and change it to a straight rudder is it still legal. All sizes and outlines of the vertical fin and rudder are unchanged except for the balance tab. Mark Miller Isthmus Models __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Sign up for Fantasy Baseball. http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia Question
I read the rules but it was kind of unclear. All that was stated was that you could not change the size or shape. If it means that each individual component (rudder, vertical fin as two pieces) then yes it is not legal. If you took the whole assembly (rudder and fin together) it is legal as I am not changing the size or shape of the assembly. I just wanted clarification before I made a choice. You can change the internal structure so it will launch hard or dihedral within 25% but you can't take off a balance tab while leaving the fin/rudder area the same? Oh Well...Looks like I will put the balance tab back on. And yes, I'd bet no one would notice unless I did well. Fat chance of that happening. ;) Thanks for all your input. Mark __ Do you Yahoo!? Make Yahoo! your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia
Tony Estep asks: ...Here's a question that illustrates the inherent paradoxes of a nostalgia event: There's a certain cutoff date after which planes aren't legal. Does that date advance by one year each year? If not, why not? This was hashed out thoroughly on this forum a few years ago. Apparently the 1980 date was picked specifically to exclude the Sagitta. It was felt that the Sagitta heralded a major shift in the performance and overall capabilities of R/C sailplanes, and allowing it would totally outclass the older designs, as well ad blurring the differences between the type of flying in the Nostalgia class and the existing modern classes. It would be something like setting up a Nostalgia HLG class with the cutoff date set specifically to preclude discus launching (now there's an interesting idea!). For this reason the date was set at 1980, and it will stay at 1980, or so I am told. I can see arguments on both sides of this issue. However, the fact remains that it was set up that way for a specific reason, with apparently a fair amount of forethought behind it. Don Stackhouse @ DJ Aerotech [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.djaerotech.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Nostalgia Class Stuff
I just had a look at the Legionair 132 plans that I have. They are dated 2-77. I contacted the keepers of the class rules a couple of years ago and was told the 132 is not legal. I was told this morning by a friend that the Aquila XL that is being sold by Dreamcatcher is not NOS legal. I know for a fact that the Legionair 132 was available by kit long before Jan. 1, 1980, and my plans date, and closeness to the Legionair program and the Haga family at the time, proves that. What more do I need to make this aircraft appear on the list of NOS legal aircraft? There is a picture on Ray Hayes' page of Bill Haga holding a 132. This pic predates the deadline. What gives, here? My perception is that there's a hard nosed, preconceived list. Again, that's my perception, and I am not pointing a finger, just being straight up about it. If that isn't the case, please enlighten all of us as to the criteria for designs to be on the list. According to the rules as I read them, the L 132 should not be a problem. Thanks Jack Womack __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Nostalgia Fliers TV
I know that there are a lot of Nostalgia fliers that read this list, that appreciate other nostalgic things. When it comes to these new fangled flat screen, flat panel plasma TV's, well, here is something a little different... (well, completely different) http://www.predicta.com/ 8-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia Fliers TV
Hey...that chick is strapless...where's the censors these days, anyhow? JW --- Jim Bacus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know that there are a lot of Nostalgia fliers that read this list, that appreciate other nostalgic things. When it comes to these new fangled flat screen, flat panel plasma TV's, well, here is something a little different... (well, completely different) http://www.predicta.com/ 8-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.
[RCSE] Nostalgia Legality Question (again)
Nostalgia question to the group. If for the sake of argument, one was to build a Legionair and replace the stock spoilers with Multiplex blade spoilers with servos in the wings would this modification make the Legionair nostalgia illegal? RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia Legality Question (again)
Robert P. Buxton wrote: Nostalgia question to the group. If for the sake of argument, one was to build a Legionair and replace the stock spoilers with Multiplex blade spoilers with servos in the wings would this modification make the Legionair nostalgia illegal? If the CD follows the rules to the letter, it looks like that's not allowed: 1. Control surfaces... if desired, on a plane with no glide control capability, spoilers may be added to the upper wing surface as long as the plans do not call for any other glide control device. If the plans have a glide control system, it must be the one used and shall not be deviated from. -- Andrew E. Mileski Ottawa, Canada RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?
In a message dated 8/17/01 1:07:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bob, One of my objectives in proposing the RES class was to provide aircraft such as that a class in which to fly. Yes, I think RES has gotten away from the original intent. The SAM guys have some good ideas for preserving old designs. They allow scaleing--up or down--for various classes. Eg. .020 free flights and 1/2-A Texaco planes are all scaled down OT free flight designs. Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?? the CSS Sailaire One Design
As you travel the soaring circuit, you'll notice that many people just gotta fiddle with the norm. Sailaires with flaps, Gentle Ladies with bullet-proof wings, etc. While I admire the purists -- I fly a dead-stock Sailaire whose wing is as light as they get, and nearly touches tip-to-tip on a winch -- I also admire the seekers out there who express themselves and their curiosity with little tweaks here and there, just to satisfy the what ifs that occur from time-to-time. Recognizing both sides of the coin, I offer the Sailaire One Design contest at the Cincinnati Soaring Society field on September 8th. The main class is stock, NOS-legal Sailaires. However, the second class is for those modified NOS planes, the stepchildren of curious builders. Come on out and see some NOS oddities for yourself, e.g., Dick Pratt's Sailaire with the long tail boom -- this one may have inspired the Logic (g), or Bill Friend's Sailaire with huge flaps -- you won't believe how this plane can come down, much like a Mantis -- and Ed Franz' Sailaire, acquired from Jack Strother, you know, the big orange pig with a wing you could use to send infantry across a river! Join us on the 8th and fly with both the sinners and saints of NOS. It's 15-minutes tasks all day with runway landings. Just imaging those big old Sail-Pigs sliding in for a 100 landing, or trimmed out for hands-off thermaling. It's a laid back good old time where the winches loaf all day long. See you there, Rudy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify??
JE: The first BoT I built was from Dave's kit. As I recall he kitted about 70 BoT's it was the lighted of the three I have built. Can't remember exactly but was in mid 40's and your right its fine in dead still air, but whenever do you fly in those conditions? I found that a 52 oz(7 oz per') it fly's best. I built this one with solid(used hard rock maple as dihedral brace) center section with plug in tips. I have the servo mounted just behind spare with Sullivan cable(small) hooked directly to spoilers. Because I used small horns on servo, I adjusted the horn on the blade to get 90 degrees erection. I've had spoilers on everything I've built since my Windward/Windfree days. When you take picture with new spoilers. send it to me. You really did a fine job of building/covering. Stan - Original Message - From: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stan Mary Jo Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?? Stan, Nice looking plane! You have sheeted more than what I did with the stock kit. Looks very sleek. I consistently have people telling me that I've got a beautiful plane. Wish I had designed it! Thornberg knew what he was doing. I just installed some Multiplex spoilers recently. I haven't flown it with them yet. I had been slow getting spoilers as I loved the simplicity of just the rudder and elevator. I had done well in contests flying by the seat of my pants, but this last contest had downwind and crosswind landings. Forget it! No chance to be consistent without spoilers and a good skeg. I ended up putting a 1/4 brass tube embedded in a block of hard balsa. I glued it to the fuselage former at the trailing edge of the wing. I take a 3/16 carbon fiber rod and use this as my skeg. It fits right inside the brass tube. It stops it right now. Nice because it is removeable. The weight of the plane keeps going up with every modification. At one point, I had a flying weight of 43 oz. Now I'm closer to 52. Spoilers were heavy, but to tell you the truth, 43 oz was way too light. I had no upwind penetration. It does thermal like red tail, however. Of all the planes I've owned, it indicates lift better than any (with the exception of some of my handlaunch planes). It climbs like crazy in any type of lift. JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: Stan Mary Jo Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 17:47:30 -0500 To: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?? JE: Thanks for pic's .Goood looking..I'm using trans red with a trans yellow band running at 45 degrees out at mid tip. But instead of white leading edge I'm using yellow. Enclosed is pic of plane as of right now. PS Yard needs mowing. Stan - Original Message - From: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stan Mary Jo Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?? Stan, Here you go! JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: Stan Mary Jo Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 14:34:27 -0500 To: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?? JE: Would you send me a picture of your BoT? I'm in process of covering mine. Always enjoy looking at other BoT's Stan - Original Message - From: John Erickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Soaring List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?? Having a six volt winch with RES and Nostalgia planes is a good thing. At the recent Pasadena 2 day contest they had a six volt set up, and it was a real treat to peddle up my Bird of Time without worrying about blowing it up. If you get any type of headwind or thermal blowing through, you can get surprisingly good altitude without the big zoom we are all accustomed to. Kiting really works well. JE -- Erickson Architects John R. Erickson, AIA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 13:29:48 EDT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify?? Bill, Just read the rest of your post. At my RES/Nostalgia contest I will have 12v winches with retreiver, in addition I will have a six volt winch with a retriever and a hi-start. I will make every effort to help Nostalgia planes get decent launches without risking destruction. Mike RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify??
The philosophy of Nostalgia is to fly the old planes as they were designed. The pure joy (or joy??) of seeing history in the air is the prime ingredient--NOT THE COMPETITION! We should learn from the controlline stunt guys. At their Vintage Stunt Championships everyone is there to compete but to only a few is this the most important aspect. Most of the pilots build and bring planes that they know have no chance of winning the event but are built for a variety of reasons. The planes might be rare or unique designs, maybe it was a design they flew as a kid in the early days. Many of these planes were lousy performers and were highly modified back then--but now they are flown with no mods. The Society of Antique Modeles (SAM) flyers have the same philosophy -- some of them are very competitive but most of them are there for pure fun and nostalgia and build some unbelievable designs. Trust me. You can modify your Windfree or Oly 99 or whatever all you want and the performance gain will not be worth the effort. Build and fly them the way they were--you will enjoy them--and later you will REALLY appreciate your Hera or Millennium. Mike Clancy LSF V 92 RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia--why modify??
At 11:22 PM 8/15/2001 EDT, you wrote: The philosophy of Nostalgia is to fly the old planes as they were designed. The pure joy (or joy??) of seeing history in the air is the prime ingredient--NOT THE COMPETITION! We should learn from the controlline stunt guys. At their Vintage Stunt Championships everyone is there to compete but to only a few is this the most important aspect. Most of the pilots build and bring planes that they know have no chance of winning the event but are built for a variety of reasons. The planes might be rare or unique designs, maybe it was a design they flew as a kid in the early days. Many of these planes were lousy performers and were highly modified back then--but now they are flown with no mods. The Society of Antique Modeles (SAM) flyers have the same philosophy -- some of them are very competitive but most of them are there for pure fun and nostalgia and build some unbelievable designs. Trust me. You can modify your Windfree or Oly 99 or whatever all you want and the performance gain will not be worth the effort. Build and fly them the way they were--you will enjoy them--and later you will REALLY appreciate your Hera or Millennium. Mike Clancy LSF V 92 I agree. The fun is in flying them the way they were, not as you wish they were. A few years ago, I built a replica of my original design, Tern IV, that won Standard Class Precision Duration at the 1974 SOAR Nats just to see if it flew as good as I remember. Unfortunately, I can't fly it in Nostalgia because it was never published. If I could, I would fly it even though my Sailaire would have a much better chance of winning a trophy. Chuck Anderson PS It didn't. :-( RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Nostalgia kit with good speed range?
Just wondering if anyone out there remembers if the Viking Mark II (circa 1978 by Tom Williams of Craft) with the 12% semi-symmetrical airfoil had a wider speed range than the 11 1/2% flat-bottomed Mark I Viking? I want to build a Nostalgia kit but am hoping for something that has a wide speed range for those windy days and not suffer too much drag with ballest on board. Would the Dynaflite Bird of Time be a better candidate? Thanks in Advance, Skye Malcolm - Columbus, Ohio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia and RES
I too think Nostalgia and RES are fun. I personally don't get bothered by competing against those with more expensive planes. I like trying to beat a guy whose flying "the latest thing" with a cheap airplane built from a pile of sticks. But I don't know if the average newcomer feels the same. Given the current rules for RES and Nostalgia I would guess the more competetive-thinking persons will put lots of money into the ships they fly. That's totally encouraged by the current rules so maybe that's what the original intention was. That was my question. I just thought with Unlimited TD, 2 meter, HL, F3B, F3J, and Scale that there might be room for a class that actively discourages excessive $$ and saves a place for the simple and cheap stuff. Cheers, Skye Thermal Rider wrote: I personally thought Nostalgia and RES were for fun myself but... You can find the rules for Nostalgia "The Original Nostalgia Site" at http://www.thermalrider.com/nost/rules.html Some thoughts on Nostalgia can be found at http://www.thermalrider.com/nost/altrules.html The rules for RES can be found at http://www.thermalrider.com/res/res_rules.html There are also some thoughts about RES at the bottom of the RES page. Thermal Rider http://www.thermalrider.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RES Rules - was [RCSE] Nostalgia Help??
If you want to talk about NOSTALGIA class then say so. RES is NOT nostalgia, they are separate and distinct classes. If you want to take airplane design and contruction out of the contest then do a one design with the contest organizer providing the planes. A club could do this easily. Build 4 planes as close to exactly te same as possible. Equip them with radios. Trim them to fly nearly the same. Fly man on man with pilots drawing for the plane they fly in each round. As long as you have a contest, people will push the rules. They MUST! It is the nature and point of contesting. Please don't confuse pushing the rules with cheating. Cheating is when you break a rule with the idea that you likely won't get caught. Pushing the rules means that you can make a strong that what you are doing is legal in the rules as written. Please don't fall onto 'intent' or 'spirit' of the rules that are not written down in those rules. That sounds like cheating on the part of people who don't want to be bothered to read, understand and apply the rules to best advantage. Under AMA rules any deviation from the rules as published in the rule book must be stated in any advertisment for the contest and restated in the pilots meeting. Changing the rules in mid contest, or worse, after the contest is a VERY bad idea. michael N6CHV AMA 77292 Regis White wrote: -Original Message- From: Michael Neverdosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 8:46 AM To: RCSE Subject: Re: RES Rules - was [RCSE] Nostalgia Help?? SNIP I guess the main thing is to find what gets the most people to come out and fly. michael N6CHV AMA 77292 - Yes, and that is the point as I see it. People who just might be interested in a Nostalgia class probably do not wish to compete against contemporary knockoffs. Regis - RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RES Rules - was [RCSE] Nostalgia Help??
In a message dated 01/29/2001 7:29:49 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sure, anyone can build a model with a plywood D-box, awesome carbon spars etc. etc and blow everyone to the weed with mega launches, but why would you bother? You only ruin it for those who want to comply with the spirit of the rules, and just prove that: 1. You are a flyer who wants to cheat their way to the top. 2. You can't mix it with the big boys. Go and fly in Open class where you belong :-) Paul Ferguson Adelaide, Australia P.S. This is aimed at nobody in particular, but many people in general. Damn! Now that I've got a RES plane with foam cores and carbon skins (which just so happens to be allowed by my reading of the rules) I come to find out that it is against the "spirit" of the rules. It seems to me that somebody has taken a pry bar to the rules and popped in this "spirit," leaving a lump that is indiscernible to me, in effect, bending the rules themselves. Now, about this broad cheater stripe that I've been painted with, does everybody in open class have one? It just does not come out in the wash, so I'm hoping it'll just blend in :~) At least in open class, since I can't mix it up with the big boys, I can provide a context of mediocrity in which others can excel. :) Bill Wingstedt RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: RES Rules - was [RCSE] Nostalgia Help??
Gee.. did I stir up a hornets nest! I find that I cannot mix it with the big boys, but I still have a go. 22nd out of 79 at our LSF Tournamnet is my best so far. However, I fly in open class with a Pike Plus and soon a Tragi 700 in an attempt to be on equal footings with the experts. If I win it is a bonus, but it is not why I compete. However, I recognise that my views on winning are not shared by my fellow competitors, but it does annoy them when I beat them! Open Class is what it says. Not many rules concerning model design except for general FAI model limitations (remember that we are talking Australia here). I, and every other competitor in Open Class recongise that at any time a quantum leap of model design could make all our models obsolete. In Australia (generalising statement coming) MOST flyers of the RES Class do so because they are sick of the technology race of Open Class that they either cannot afford, or do not wish to be involved with. When I fly RES Class, I fly a Stepp 3 that is similar to what most of the flyers want to fly. Sure, I could take my Tragi, lock the ailerons, put in a bit more dihedral, and blow them all to the weeds on launch height alone. But by doing so I would destroy the class locally leaving the supporters of RES Class wondering about forming another class to suit their style of flying. We find that most flyers of RES Class are there to have fun and compete. Winning is a secondary concern. Every sport has the same problem. There is always someone who thinks that they can gain an advantage by being an amater lawyer and exploiting a loophole in a set of rules to gain an advantage other than by improving their natural talent. We all know what is right and wrong. Lets do it! I understand that RES Class in America is different in that it has evolved into a technology race. Perhapes the solution is a RES One Design Contest. Paul Ferguson Adelaide, Australia -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:17 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RES Rules - was [RCSE] Nostalgia Help?? In a message dated 01/29/2001 7:29:49 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sure, anyone can build a model with a plywood D-box, awesome carbon spars etc. etc and blow everyone to the weed with mega launches, but why would you bother? You only ruin it for those who want to comply with the spirit of the rules, and just prove that: 1. You are a flyer who wants to cheat their way to the top. 2. You can't mix it with the big boys. Go and fly in Open class where you belong :-) Paul Ferguson Adelaide, Australia P.S. This is aimed at nobody in particular, but many people in general. Damn! Now that I've got a RES plane with foam cores and carbon skins (which just so happens to be allowed by my reading of the rules) I come to find out that it is against the "spirit" of the rules. It seems to me that somebody has taken a pry bar to the rules and popped in this "spirit," leaving a lump that is indiscernible to me, in effect, bending the rules themselves. Now, about this broad cheater stripe that I've been painted with, does everybody in open class have one? It just does not come out in the wash, so I'm hoping it'll just blend in :~) At least in open class, since I can't mix it up with the big boys, I can provide a context of mediocrity in which others can excel. :) Bill Wingstedt RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia ?
As an AMA CD and a Nostalgia enthusiast and flyer I would consider your plane legal. I think we should, for the better promotion of Nostalgia, pay attention to the "spirit of the rules" rather than arguing and nit-picking over the actual rules. I believe nostalgia kits with fiberglass fuselages instead of wood are better than no kits at all. Even in full scale sailing fiberglass hulls are allowed in some old wooden boat classes. Mike Clancy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia Help??
what about a RES Victory Composite RES ship is it ok for RES contest?? it has Foam and is not a built up wing thanks Mike so cal KC6 RDJ... New General Class!!! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia ? As an AMA CD and a Nostalgia enthusiast and flyer I would consider your plane legal. I think we should, for the better promotion of Nostalgia, pay attention to the "spirit of the rules" rather than arguing and nit-picking over the actual rules. I believe nostalgia kits with fiberglass fuselages instead of wood are better than no kits at all. Even in full scale sailing fiberglass hulls are allowed in some old wooden boat classes. Mike Clancy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia Help??
RES Nostalgia (RES is not Nostalgia) Jim At 05:33 PM 1/29/2001, Michael R.Morjoseph wrote: what about a RES Victory Composite RES ship is it ok for RES contest?? it has Foam and is not a built up wing thanks Mike so cal KC6 RDJ... New General Class!!! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia ? As an AMA CD and a Nostalgia enthusiast and flyer I would consider your plane legal. I think we should, for the better promotion of Nostalgia, pay attention to the "spirit of the rules" rather than arguing and nit-picking over the actual rules. I believe nostalgia kits with fiberglass fuselages instead of wood are better than no kits at all. Even in full scale sailing fiberglass hulls are allowed in some old wooden boat classes. Mike Clancy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of Chicago SOAR club ICQ 6997780R/C Soaring Page at http://www.mcs.net/~bacuslab/soaring.html RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [RCSE] Nostalgia Help??
Michael you can use it at the Visalia Fall Festival, but not at our Bentwing contest coming in May( that will be for Built up wings no foam ERS.) We are trying to promote a more simple glider that a new comer can fly in and compete with out having a computor radio or a composit type plane. Last year it was some where around 45 pilots I think. It is defently different then the Fall Festival. Larry Taylor CD for both events. -- From: Michael R.Morjoseph[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 3:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia Help?? what about a RES Victory Composite RES ship is it ok for RES contest?? it has Foam and is not a built up wing thanks Mike so cal KC6 RDJ... New General Class!!! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 11:21 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia ? As an AMA CD and a Nostalgia enthusiast and flyer I would consider your plane legal. I think we should, for the better promotion of Nostalgia, pay attention to the "spirit of the rules" rather than arguing and nit-picking over the actual rules. I believe nostalgia kits with fiberglass fuselages instead of wood are better than no kits at all. Even in full scale sailing fiberglass hulls are allowed in some old wooden boat classes. Mike Clancy RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Nostalgia ?
I was roaming the www this morning and was at the Dream Catcher site looking at what was happening with all the Airtronics kits. There was a statement associated with the Aquila XL kit that said that this ship was only legal with a fiberglass hatch and not the clear one as on a normal Aquila fuse. I thought that it was the outline that had to be accurate and that the surfaces had to be the same style (ie. flying stab vs fixed stab/elevator) as the original. I thought you could mess with poly angles, add spoilers to those that did not have them, and use contrsuction techniches however as long as the appearance of the ship was the same. My Grand Esprit has a painted and glassed over Canopy so the batteries can be there and that my black boxes can be in the fuse, is that an infingement of the rules? Hope not! Marc Gellart Lima, Ohio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia ?
From: "Mark and Jo Gellart" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Soaring List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [RCSE] Nostalgia ? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:56:10 -0500 I was roaming the www this morning and was at the Dream Catcher site looking at what was happening with all the Airtronics kits. There was a statement associated with the Aquila XL kit that said that this ship was only legal with a fiberglass hatch and not the clear one as on a normal Aquila fuse. I had the same thoughts about 2 weeks ago. I called them and what they said to me was, in the past, the keeper of the nostalgia rules was asked if by bringing out a Grand Esprit with a one peice molded fiberglass fuselage would be legal, the keeper (Jack something??) of the rules said it would not be legal. Because the original had a wood pod and fiberglass boom. So using that as a guide line, they guessed it would not be legal to use a clear canopy, when the original kit had a molded fiberglass one. They said, that's why they offer both and certify the molded fiberglass one as being on the original plans. They said, they felt that it would be misleading if they said anything else. The builder would have to work it out with the CD's. The rules say something about, the original plans, as proof. The original plans show a molded fiberglass canopy. That's one that should be offered for response from the keeper of the nostalgia rules. Dream Catcher said that, the rulling by Jack is one of the reasons they have delayed bringing out the Grand Esprit. They feel that the market for a wood fuselage would be small and that a one or even two peice fuselage would have a much larger market. I told them that I aggreed and that I'd always buy a fiberglass fuselage over a wooden one any day. Is (Jack ??) on RCSE? _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [RCSE] Nostalgia ?
Marc-- I've read the Nostalgia class rules at http://www.skybench.com/nostalgia/rules.html and as far as I can tell your Aquila is legal with either the 'glas or clear hatch. You might want to contact Ray Hayes and get a "definitive" answer. I'm flying the Windfree now, and am finishing up the restoration of the Oly 99. Old planes are funky... :) --Bill On Sun, 28 Jan 2001 10:56:10 -0500 Mark and Jo Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was roaming the www this morning and was at the Dream Catcher site looking at what was happening with all the Airtronics kits. There was a statement associated with the Aquila XL kit that said that this ship was only legal with a fiberglass hatch and not the clear one as on a normal Aquila fuse. I thought that it was the outline that had to be accurate and that the surfaces had to be the same style (ie. flying stab vs fixed stab/elevator) as the original. I thought you could mess with poly angles, add spoilers to those that did not have them, and use contrsuction techniches however as long as the appearance of the ship was the same. My Grand Esprit has a painted and glassed over Canopy so the batteries can be there and that my black boxes can be in the fuse, is that an infingement of the rules? Hope not! Marc Gellart Lima, Ohio RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Nostalgia Kit For sale
OK sport fans, here is the ULTIMATE nostalga kit, NIB Dodgson Maestro Megan! Kit is new in box. Typical Dodgson style with everything in the kit. This is the 140" (or so) version. Unlike most nostalgia planes, this one has a modern Eppler airfoil and flaps and ailerons or flapperons You could almost install a transmitter in the fiberglass fuselage, it's so roomy compared to todays planes. This is the only 6 servo plane that I know of that is nostalgia legal (that statement will draw some comments I'm sureG) $265 shipped to your front door. gv 405 692-1122 __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[RCSE] Nostalgia.
A friend of mine, Jim Scollen has built an Olympic II which he wants to fly in Nostalgia competition. He has built a strong spar that will take a zoom launch but, the wing tips are not torsionally rigid enought even though they are covered with 21st Century film. They flutter on a hard launch. What can he do to stop the flutter during a hard zoom launch and still be Nostalgia legal? Do diagonal ribs that touch the flat bottom of the airfoil (but not the top film) stay within the Nostalgia rules? Regards, Ollie RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
