[RCSE] Supras For Sale
Hi All-- I have a buddy that has two new and unbuilt Supras for sale. Both are white with blue trim and one has red bottoms. These are Supra #253 and Supra #336. Either or both can be yours for the best reasonable offer. Reply to this email or call me at (909)367-6179 for more info. Thanks for your time. Dan
[RCSE] Supras For Sale...some added info
Hi Guys, I happen to know that those numbers put them at around July or August of 07, they have all the updates inside the wing that exist today, so they are about as current as you can actually get. The 80# separation isn't that significant, as it is possible to get that even today if it were a color that wasn't ordered when that 253 group shipment first arrived. They would of course have carbon fuse pods...in case you were looking for 2.4 friendly. (doesn't really matter anymore since Mr. Barker figured out how to install 2.4 in carbon nose cone ships). Might help you make your decisions. Gordy In a message dated 3/28/2008 5:29:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi All-- I have a buddy that has two new and unbuilt Supras for sale. Both are white with blue trim and one has red bottoms. These are Supra #253 and Supra #336. Either or both can be yours for the best reasonable offer. Reply to this email or call me at (909)367-6179 for more info. Thanks for your time. Dan **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301)
Re: [RCSE] Supras?
Mark, are you sure someone on the big island doesn't have a Supra? http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/Weather/story?id=1536245 Didn't they have a blizzard on the 24th? Warning, Supra's triggers global warming. I think the Supra's might come equipped with northeast weather. Only Mark and Tom know for sure. Very complete design accounting for even the weather. ;-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Supras?
OH Yea! I came home the other day and my neighbor pointed to the mountain (Haleakala) and said look - see the snow. Yes we had snow on Maui too. It was about 80 deg F at my condo in Kehei (sea level) at the time. Haleakala is about 10k ft. I figure that a FedEx plane had stopped somewhere on the islands to refuel -- enroute to deliver another Supra. It's gone now and so is the snow. Mark -Original Message- From: Michael Lachowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:17 AM To: Mark Howard; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras? Mark, are you sure someone on the big island doesn't have a Supra? http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/Weather/story?id=1536245 Didn't they have a blizzard on the 24th? Warning, Supra's triggers global warming. I think the Supra's might come equipped with northeast weather. Only Mark and Tom know for sure. Very complete design accounting for even the weather. ;-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Supras?
LOL And as a former Rocky Mountain resident I'm sure you thought, snow in the mountain what's the big deal? Where's the beach? Maybe the plane just fools gravity. Supras land in Hawaii. Steve Meyer SOAR, LSF IV At 12:35 PM 2/1/2006, Mark Howard wrote: OH Yea! I came home the other day and my neighbor pointed to the mountain (Haleakala) and said look - see the snow. Yes we had snow on Maui too. It was about 80 deg F at my condo in Kehei (sea level) at the time. Haleakala is about 10k ft. I figure that a FedEx plane had stopped somewhere on the islands to refuel -- enroute to deliver another Supra. It's gone now and so is the snow. Mark -Original Message- From: Michael Lachowski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 5:17 AM To: Mark Howard; soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras? Mark, are you sure someone on the big island doesn't have a Supra? http://abcnews.go.com/Travel/Weather/story?id=1536245 Didn't they have a blizzard on the 24th? Warning, Supra's triggers global warming. I think the Supra's might come equipped with northeast weather. Only Mark and Tom know for sure. Very complete design accounting for even the weather. ;-) RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Supras?
Now that you've all been flying your Supras... we haven't really heard anything from you. I'd love to hear more reports... please... if negative... ping me off the exchange Thx, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supras?
In a message dated 1/31/2006 1:36:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that you've all been flying your Supras... we haven't really heard anything from you. Many of those Supra owners who have previously posted are currently experiencing a recurring climatological phenomenon known as WINTER! - not conducive to much flight testing activity. . . Good Lift! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supras?
I did manage maiden flight on #20 last Saturday. A bit too windy to do much thermal trimming. Had the CG at 92 mm and can probably add a bit more nose weight. Got bounced around a bit. Launch is better than my Escapes, and very stable. It will take a few hours of flying, at the least, to get it dialed in and practice landing. Too early to comment much, other than it can slow way down or cover a lot of ground without losing much altitude. Looks like rain this weekend. Been the windiest Jan I can remember. T - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras? In a message dated 1/31/2006 1:36:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that you've all been flying your Supras... we haven't really heard anything from you. Many of those Supra owners who have previously posted are currently experiencing a recurring climatological phenomenon known as WINTER! - not conducive to much flight testing activity. . . Good Lift! RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Supras?
Well #23 has about an hour on it. I would have more time on it but wind and rain have kept me out of the air for a couple of weeks. I can say that it is a sweet flying ship. Has great L/D for ranging up and down wind and the speed required to penetrate even the wind here in TX (have flown it in 10-12 mph without balast). It signals lift really well (cg at 92mm) and slows nicely with plenty of control for the landings. Still playing with the control throws and mixing but I can tell you that this one is a keeper. Walt From: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: [RCSE] Supras? Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:36:05 -0800 (PST) Now that you've all been flying your Supras... we haven't really heard anything from you. I'd love to hear more reports... please... if negative... ping me off the exchange Thx, D __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supras?
Walt W5SWA wrote: Well #23 has about an hour on it. I would have more time on it but wind and rain have kept me out of the air for a couple of weeks. This is the second or third post by someone who has one of these new Uber-Planes that is experiencing poor weather. So my question is, what is it about these planes that cause rain, wind, snow and cold??? Is it something in the layup, the materials or something else that seems to have a negative effect on the weather patterns around those that own them?? This is too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence, if you know what I mean. WEM in Sunny SOCAL RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Supras?
I think you're on to something. I don't have a Supra and it's nice and warm here. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kihei, HI 96753 -Original Message- From: Bill's Email [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 4:40 PM To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras? Walt W5SWA wrote: Well #23 has about an hour on it. I would have more time on it but wind and rain have kept me out of the air for a couple of weeks. This is the second or third post by someone who has one of these new Uber-Planes that is experiencing poor weather. So my question is, what is it about these planes that cause rain, wind, snow and cold??? Is it something in the layup, the materials or something else that seems to have a negative effect on the weather patterns around those that own them?? This is too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence, if you know what I mean. WEM in Sunny SOCAL RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Bill we have to put up with the poor wx hr in TX during the months of Jan. and Feb. It's not to much of a problem. I think that if we had a state income tax we would have good wx year round. What do you think? Walt W5SWA From: Bill's Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras? Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 18:40:18 -0800 Walt W5SWA wrote: Well #23 has about an hour on it. I would have more time on it but wind and rain have kept me out of the air for a couple of weeks. This is the second or third post by someone who has one of these new Uber-Planes that is experiencing poor weather. So my question is, what is it about these planes that cause rain, wind, snow and cold??? Is it something in the layup, the materials or something else that seems to have a negative effect on the weather patterns around those that own them?? This is too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence, if you know what I mean. WEM in Sunny SOCAL RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Supras and asssited soaring
Title: Supras and asssited soaring I own a supra with a picolario installed ! Any one up for the challenge ? Well I dont own any of it, I was reading all the replies and was kind of fun just to think what would happen if a guy arrives at the contest field with a SUPRA and a PICOLARIO. I mean, not a guy, but if the supra #34 shows up with the picolario #56 . J It is just amazing how the molded planes fly and the things you can do with it. If I had all the money in the world I would probably be looking at a supra right now but, I cant possibly deny it. But not at the point to stop or slow down my learning curve just because a plane of the season is released. I guess one can learn a lot from flying different planes but in order to do that he must be experienced enough to tell when the plane was really the responsible for that great flight. Chase for the season model will continue, as the evolution will. Assisted soaring gadgets may or not become standard tools at contests. That is not what worries me,.. but the smallest possibility that a Chip Hyde or a Somenzine (3d flyer winners at TOC) can enter on a soaring contest and start winning after 3 rounds just because of the golden fingers to perfectly land a plane on the spot. That is annoying, that is not soaring. Not questioning the time and money it takes to learn how to nail the landing or to make a 15 minutes flight using a variometer . Just what we want to measure at the competitions to call a guy the best soaring pilot of the world !!! Best Rgds, Marlon
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
Thats awesome Tom. I doubtI could see my plane at over a mile away, at leat not well enough to control it. But then again Iam abouthalf blind. Sounds like the Supra is one great bird! Walter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done Agreed. I have about 4 hours on mine. One of the best launching models I have ever owned. Jim Monaco estimates that my launch is 80-90 degrees. On one ride I took it out from less than 50 ft( 5 degree joiners)to cloud base at 1+mi. out. With a 7-10 mile breeze I easily cruised back in the same air(2 degrees reflex)that a Tsunami had difficulty punching through. Build quality is high. On a lab analytical scale the outer panels with joiners were within 0.1 gm of each other! Larry, am I over psyched about this model or is it one of the best we have ever seen? By the way it lands in a linear manner with no negative traits and the effective rudder gives me excellent directional control on final. Tom Gressman
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
Tom, I agree with your comments on the Supras flying qualities. While no airplane is a Silver Bullet, this one is better than anything I have flown before. It reads air unbelievably well, has long legs, good float, and launches, and lands well. TheSupra accelerateseffortlessly from float to cruise. I really like this because my main interest is F3J and thisacceleration will translate to quicker launches. For the top flyers like Kiesling and Perkins they probably won't see much more out of this model than what they get from what they are flying right now. But the rest of us are going to have an easier go with this airplane. I think it will have wide appeal and with good reason it is really a fine model. By the way did you talk Skip in toflying it yet? I told him to order two, the dayI test flew mine. Good luck with it, and let's not land out after this discussion :-) Larry
RE: [RCSE] Supras done
At 09:42 AM 1/5/2006, you wrote: He who launches highest... wins... D Not necessarily. As you get older, you will find that he who launches highest frequently loses sight of his model. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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I agree with you completely Chuck. If my plane gets too far past the end of my nose, it simply goes away! Walter - Original Message - From: Chuck Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Daryl Perkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 6:45 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Supras done At 09:42 AM 1/5/2006, you wrote: He who launches highest... wins... D Not necessarily. As you get older, you will find that he who launches highest frequently loses sight of his model. Chuck Anderson RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
Ihave heard the only thing better than the molded Supra is a lighter bagged one. Yes or no? Walter - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done Tom, I agree with your comments on the Supras flying qualities. While no airplane is a Silver Bullet, this one is better than anything I have flown before. It reads air unbelievably well, has long legs, good float, and launches, and lands well. TheSupra accelerateseffortlessly from float to cruise. I really like this because my main interest is F3J and thisacceleration will translate to quicker launches. For the top flyers like Kiesling and Perkins they probably won't see much more out of this model than what they get from what they are flying right now. But the rest of us are going to have an easier go with this airplane. I think it will have wide appeal and with good reason it is really a fine model. By the way did you talk Skip in toflying it yet? I told him to order two, the dayI test flew mine. Good luck with it, and let's not land out after this discussion :-) Larry
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
I am still 20/15 but the reflexes are starting to go at 59. I have owned and flown most of the F3J birds and just when I think they couldn't get any better the Supra emerges. In the hands of a world class flyer it should do very well at the 2006 Worlds! Tom
RE: [RCSE] Supras done/Icons For Sale
OK, I waited 2+ years to get my new Icons. Now you guys are telling me they arent the berries, I want to scream! I will trade Icons for Supras. Thats one Icon for 2 Supras. ;-) Im sort of kidding, but I would trade one of my Icons. Roll eyes. I hope my health will hold out so I can go to a few contests and events this year. Im looking forward to Soar Utah more or less for sure, plus the TNT and maybe a few more with a new traveling partnerif we can get together on where to go. Itll be a fun year wont it? George Voss 1403 Lincolnshire Rd OKC OK 73159 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: soaring@airage.com Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done I am still 20/15 but the reflexes are starting to go at 59. I have owned and flown most of the F3J birds and just when I think they couldn't get any better the Supra emerges. In the hands of a world class flyer it should do very well at the 2006 Worlds! Tom
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
Walter, I flew Tom Kieslings Bagged F3J version over at Istanbul. WhileI think one flight is to limited to draw conclusions, I can comment that both models have similar characteristics. One thing that is obvious to me is thatI cannot build a wing as accurate as the ones that come from Barry. I have had a lot of experience flying bagged Xp4's and Blasters, and I can tell you that there is a great difference between a bagged Drela section and a molded one. My Supra at 64 ounces does not leave me wishing it were 55 ounces. If you like to build, then bag one. If it were up to me I would work the hours instead of bagging it, and use that cash to buy one out of a mold.RegardlessI think you will be satisfied from the performance of either version. Bur then my Grandma always thought her pies baked at home, tasted better than store bought ones! Best Regards Larry
Re: [RCSE] Supras done/Icons For Sale
Talking about scheduling. I'm trying to mark my callander for The Visalia Bent Wing, PSS Festival at Cajon, FresnoGrey Cup, Fresno Classic, SVSS spring fling, PSS Soar Uta, Gamblers Gala, VisaliaFallSoaring Festival, Modesto Electric Fly-in, etc. Clubs post your dates Please! - Original Message - From: George Voss Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 8:22 AM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Supras done/Icons For Sale OK, I waited 2+ years to get my new Icons. Now you guys are telling me they arent the berries, I want to scream! I will trade Icons for Supras. Thats one Icon for 2 Supras. ;-) Im sort of kidding, but I would trade one of my Icons. Roll eyes. I hope my health will hold out so I can go to a few contests and events this year. Im looking forward to Soar Utah more or less for sure, plus the TNT and maybe a few more with a new traveling partner if we can get together on where to go. Itll be a fun year wont it? George Voss 1403 Lincolnshire Rd OKC OK 73159 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 10:14 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: soaring@airage.comSubject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done I am still 20/15 but the reflexes are starting to go at 59. I have owned and flown most of the F3J birds and just when I think they couldn't get any better the Supra emerges. In the hands of a world class flyer it should do very well at the 2006 Worlds! Tom
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:44 PM, Mark Drela wrote: To measure the CG: I turn the assembled glider over on its back, Pardon the potentially dumb question, but why turn the glider, or any glider, on its back for cg measurement.I use the wooden pencil eraser method also.thanksBarry Andersen
Re: [RCSE] Supras done- cg?
On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:44 PM, Mark Drela wrote:To measure the CG: I turn the assembled glider over on its back, and find the level-balance point by supporting it on a wood-pencil eraser which is slightly rounded. I might add some tape to a wingtip if necessary to get perfect lateral balance, so the eraser point can stay exactly on the centerline. oops, on more careful reading I note the A wood-pencil eraser. I use the standard two side-by-side.Now, the question arises, why just the single point on fuse centerline? I presume it's more accurate, though I try to mostly fly right side up grinthanksBarry A
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
You do it because the tow hook is in the way if you use a single pencil. I figure the cg is wing center and the fuse is along for the ride. - Original Message - From: Barry Andersen To: Mark Drela Cc: soaring@airage.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done On Jan 4, 2006, at 4:44 PM, Mark Drela wrote: To measure the CG: I turn the assembled glider over on its back, Pardon the potentially dumb question, but why turn the glider, or any glider, on its back for cg measurement. I use the wooden pencil eraser method also. thanks Barry Andersen
RE: [RCSE] Supras done
This is rather far aft hook position which requires special action during launch. On my Evo program the left slider is an elevator (speed) trim with a small gain. For the launch throw I push the slider all the way forward which feeds in a slight amount of down-elevator. Once the glider rotates and settles down in the climb, I pull the slider back to its normal center position for maximum load just short of stall. ... leaving the left thumb free to work the slider. Or you could greatly simplify things and use your right thumb to push the nose over a bit just prior to stall. It's a very minor bump of the elevator. I've done some sims of the initial pitch dynamics immediately after the throw. There is a very significant CL overshoot at the end of the initial nose-up rotation. So if you trim the glider for maximum pull during the climb and zoom, and throw with this trim, then you are guaranteed to stall at the top of the nose-up rotation. So for maximum launch performance, it is necessary to add some initial nose-down trim to safely get past the initial pitch transients after the throw. Mark is very much correct. My models have aggressive CG's, very aggressive hook locations, and aggressive camber settings. And my models will all stall and do bad things if I don't bump the elevator prior to stalling on the line. But unlike Mark, I'm not willing to give up any of that initial rotation by backing off on the elevator preset. I just use the right stick and fly the model... My models have been set up like this for years. I know that most of you guys are afraid of that hard nose up out of your hand, and back off your launch set up to minimize this. Yes, it doesn't stall that way... but it's also not pulling as hard as it is capable. In other words, you're giving up launch altitude... He who launches highest... wins... D __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Supras done
Bing Bing At 09:42 AM 1/5/2006, Daryl Perkins wrote: But unlike Mark, I'm not willing to give up any of that initial rotation by backing off on the elevator preset. I just use the right stick and fly the model... Jim Downers Grove, IL Member of the Chicago SOAR club, and Team JR AMA 592537LSF 7560 Level IV R/C Soaring blog at www.jimbacus.net RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Supras done
Guys, No I don't have a Supra. I was addressing aggressive launch set ups on any model. The tendencies Dr. Drela mentions in his email are not specific to the Supra, but are exhibited in every model I've every owned and set up Daryl style. You guys just haven't been listening for the last 15 years ;-) Thanks Mark - they listen to you!!! ;-) Start pushing those hook positions and launch set ups boys... they'll launch higher... not just Supras... everything Jeez! Smilin' D __ Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl.yahoo.com RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
Daryl. I've got 5 plus hours on the Supra and like the set-up at 3.8". The model rotates and pulls fine even on a low to medium tension launch. The tow hook is real grippy and I have no problem circle towing it on my Hi Start. I think that is with out a flat filed on the hook. The model can take a hard launch, I chatted with Arend Borst who is towing the #$%@ out of it on mono, in the wind. He told me he got some pretty good flex but was really impressed with the ping and zoom. Guys just put it together and fly it.If you want it really stable put the Big joiners in it, most of you will fly with 2.5 degree joiners for the feel of the model. The model is so stable I can't beleive that we are talking about launching this thing , itwill not snap or biteRegards Larry
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Daryl. I've got 5 plus hours on the Supra and. You know I wish you guys would let some of the experts handle this one!!! Jeez. The Internet!! Give a guy a keyboard and Internet access and you see what happens!! WEM RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
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Agreed. I have about 4 hours on mine. One of the best launching models I have ever owned. Jim Monaco estimates that my launch is 80-90 degrees. On one ride I took it out from less than 50 ft( 5 degree joiners)to cloud base at 1+mi. out. With a 7-10 mile breeze I easily cruised back in the same air(2 degrees reflex)that a Tsunami had difficulty punching through. Build quality is high. On a lab analytical scale the outer panels with joiners were within 0.1 gm of each other! Larry, am I over psyched about this model or is it one of the best we have ever seen? By the way it lands in a linear manner with no negative traits and the effective rudder gives me excellent directional control on final. Tom Gressman
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
I was thinking the same thing Bert...On 1/2/06, Bert Magin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not picking on Maurice or (may the soaring gods forbid) Dr. Drela but couldsomeone explain to me the balancing method and tools used to place a CG to0.5mm accuracy?BertRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
I think Dr Drela may have calculated the battery weight difference between fully charged and completely discharged. Hence he dropped the 100th resolution. Otherwise I think the spec would be down to 0.05 mm. :-) Steven Meyer SOAR, LSF IV At 12:28 PM 1/4/2006, Jay Hunter wrote: I was thinking the same thing Bert... On 1/2/06, Bert Magin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not picking on Maurice or (may the soaring gods forbid) Dr. Drela but could someone explain to me the balancing method and tools used to place a CG to 0.5mm accuracy? Bert RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to soaring-request@airage.com . Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
Re: [RCSE] Supras done
My initial Cgs are always accurate to say 1/4 to 1/2 a thumb width! Seriously. Walter - Original Message - From: Jay Hunter To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done I was thinking the same thing Bert... On 1/2/06, Bert Magin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not picking on Maurice or (may the soaring gods forbid) Dr. Drela but couldsomeone explain to me the balancing method and tools used to place a CG to0.5mm accuracy?BertRCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News.Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to soaring-request@airage.com.Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off.Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Supras done
Hi All I finished my Kennedy Supra last night. It went together really nice. If the fog clears and it doesn't rain I'll fly it today. I was hoping for 61 to 62 oz but came out a little heavier at 62 3/4 even though I was very careful with glue and install. What really surprised me was I had to add 4 1/2 oz of lead to the nose (using the Kennedy 1200 mil battery pack) to reach Dr. Drelas recommended CG of 91.5mm. Actually set it at 92mm. I'm hoping when I fly the plane that I will be able to take some of that nose weight out. I like a rearward CG anyway. I'll let you know how the first flights go Maurice RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Supras done
could someone explain to me the balancing method and tools used to place a CG to 0.5mm accuracy? To measure the CG: I turn the assembled glider over on its back, and find the level-balance point by supporting it on a wood-pencil eraser which is slightly rounded. I might add some tape to a wingtip if necessary to get perfect lateral balance, so the eraser point can stay exactly on the centerline. I mark the eraser (CG) position on the wing, and measure its distance from the LE using a ruler which has a balsa stick taped onto its end to make an L. The balsa stick rests against the LE while the ruler is held parallel to the wing bottom or the chordline to make the measurement. The recommended 3.6 CG position is what I measured off my Supra in this way. It's a relatively far-aft position, which is just on the verge of tuck-in in a steep dive test. It recovers very slowly in a shallow dive test. The best CG and hook positions may depend somewhat on the chosen dihedral. To measure the hook location: I tape a short balsa stick or dowel into the hook, parallel to the wing. I then place a drafting triangle against the bottom of the wing, and touch it to the stick. This gives the hook position on the wing chord, measured perpendicular to the wing bottom surface. The recommended 3.8 hook location is what I measured off my Supra this way. This is rather far aft hook position which requires special action during launch. On my Evo program the left slider is an elevator (speed) trim with a small gain. For the launch throw I push the slider all the way forward which feeds in a slight amount of down-elevator. Once the glider rotates and settles down in the climb, I pull the slider back to its normal center position for maximum load just short of stall. I have 100% Ail.Diff and lots of Ail-Rud coupling during launch, so I can steer with might right thumb, leaving the left thumb free to work the slider. PS I've done some sims of the initial pitch dynamics immediately after the throw. There is a very significant CL overshoot at the end of the initial nose-up rotation. So if you trim the glider for maximum pull during the climb and zoom, and throw with this trim, then you are guaranteed to stall at the top of the nose-up rotation. So for maximum launch performance, it is necessary to add some initial nose-down trim to safely get past the initial pitch transients after the throw. RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Supras done
Hi All I finished my Kennedy Supra last night. It went together really nice. If the fog clears and it doesn't rain I'll fly it today. I was hoping for 61 to 62 oz but came out a little heavier at 62 3/4 even though I was very careful with glue and install. What really surprised me was I had to add 4 1/2 oz of lead to the nose (using the Kennedy 1200 mil battery pack) to reach Dr. Drelas recommended CG of 91.5mm (actually set it at 92mm). I'm hoping when I fly the plane that I will be able to take some of that nose weight out. I like a rearward CG anyway. I'll let you know how the first flights go Maurice RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
RE: [RCSE] Supras done
Not picking on Maurice or (may the soaring gods forbid) Dr. Drela but could someone explain to me the balancing method and tools used to place a CG to 0.5mm accuracy? Bert RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
[RCSE] Supras done
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [RCSE] Supras done I use a Great Planes C.G. Machine. http://www2.gpmd.com/image/g/gpmr2400.jpg The gauges are in inches and millimeters and you could actually put the pointer half way between a number. I just set it on 92mm because it was easier. Is it really accurate to a 1/2 mm? I have no idea. But I just got back from flying the Supra in a 10 mph wind gusting to 15 with intermittent rain and the CG seems to be fine for a starting point. Maurice - Original Message - From: Bert Magin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Soaring@airage.com Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:47 PM Subject: RE: [RCSE] Supras done Not picking on Maurice or (may the soaring gods forbid) Dr. Drela but could someone explain to me the balancing method and tools used to place a CG to 0.5mm accuracy? Bert RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send subscribe and unsubscribe requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that subscribe and unsubscribe messages must be sent in text only format with MIME turned off. Email sent from web based email such as Hotmail and AOL are generally NOT in text format
