Re: [freenet-support] How to hide IP when give out noderef?

[Moses]

I trust my friends, I just want to hide my node's physical location
and keep my little privacy/anonymity. That's different. And consider a
extreme situation that if friends are questioned by police, If they do
not know, they would have nothing to tell. The best way to keep a
secret is not tell anybody. Anyway, if hide IP is not technically
possible, I will have to use a VPN or not adding any friend...



On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 1:49 AM,   wrote:
> On Thursday, April 21, 2016 03:20:07 PM Moses wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I trust my friend, but still not want them to see my IP directly on
>> the freenet web page when I give them my noderef, how to prevent my IP
>> display on their freenet?
>
> It is not technically possible to implement Darknet connections without
> revealing IP addresses: The purpose of Darknet connections is to establish a
> direct Internet connection between you and your friend, and direct connections
> over the Internet work by using IP addresses.
>
> We could of course hide it from the user interface, but that would only
> prevent inexperienced users from figuring out what the IP is. Anyone with some
> technical knowhow could figure it out using standard tools for network
> monitoring; or even standard Freenet tools for viewing raw data of Freenet ARK
> addresses.
>
> If you are concerned that your friend is malicious enough towards you to
> attack you using your IP, perhaps reconsider whether you trust this person to
> be a friend :(
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Re: [freenet-support] How to hide IP when give out noderef?

[xor]

On Thursday, April 21, 2016 03:20:07 PM Moses wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I trust my friend, but still not want them to see my IP directly on
> the freenet web page when I give them my noderef, how to prevent my IP
> display on their freenet?

It is not technically possible to implement Darknet connections without 
revealing IP addresses: The purpose of Darknet connections is to establish a 
direct Internet connection between you and your friend, and direct connections 
over the Internet work by using IP addresses.

We could of course hide it from the user interface, but that would only 
prevent inexperienced users from figuring out what the IP is. Anyone with some 
technical knowhow could figure it out using standard tools for network 
monitoring; or even standard Freenet tools for viewing raw data of Freenet ARK 
addresses.

If you are concerned that your friend is malicious enough towards you to 
attack you using your IP, perhaps reconsider whether you trust this person to 
be a friend :(

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[freenet-support] How to hide IP when give out noderef?

[Moses]

Hi,

I trust my friend, but still not want them to see my IP directly on
the freenet web page when I give them my noderef, how to prevent my IP
display on their freenet?

Thanks.
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Re: [freenet-support] How to get rid of Google Chrome

[Steve Dougherty]

On 03/26/2014 06:51 AM, Etienne Frisque wrote:
 I’m new in your system and I can’t find the right way to start freenet with 
 Firefox instead of Google.
 Thank you , have a nice day/night.
 Etienne frisque.

Try opening Firefox (ideally in privacy mode) and going to the same page
the Freenet launcher opens Google Chrome to by copying and pasting the
URL into the address bar. The Freenet launcher is not doing anything
special - it is intended as a convenient way to open the main page.

It would certainly be helpful to be able to set which browser the
launcher uses, but no one has written support for doing that yet.




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[freenet-support] How to get rid of Google Chrome

[Etienne Frisque]

I’m new in your system and I can’t find the right way to start freenet with 
Firefox instead of Google.
Thank you , have a nice day/night.
Etienne frisque.
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[freenet-support] How to fix broken 1439 nodes was Re: [freenet-dev] NullPointerError after OOM or disk-full

[Matthew Toseland]

On Monday 01 Apr 2013 22:12:27 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
 jvm 1| WrapperManager Error: Error in WrapperListener.start callback.  
 java.lang.NullPointerException
 jvm 1| WrapperManager Error: java.lang.NullPointerException
 jvm 1| WrapperManager Error:at 
 freenet.node.Node.enableNewLoadManagement(Node.java:5383)
 jvm 1| WrapperManager Error:at 
 freenet.node.PeerNode.noLoadStats(PeerNode.java:3593)
 jvm 1| WrapperManager Error:at 
 freenet.node.PeerNode.setPeerNodeStatus(PeerNode.java:3563)
 jvm 1| WrapperManager Error:at 
 freenet.node.PeerNode.setPeerNodeStatus(PeerNode.java:3555)
 jvm 1| WrapperManager Error:at 
 freenet.node.PeerManager.addPeer(PeerManager.java:332)
 jvm 1| WrapperManager Error:at 
 freenet.node.PeerManager.readPeers(PeerManager.java:271)
 jvm 1| WrapperManager Error:at 
 freenet.node.PeerManager.tryReadPeers(PeerManager.java:203)
 jvm 1| WrapperManager Error:at 
 freenet.node.Node.init(Node.java:1714)
 jvm 1| WrapperManager Error:at 
 freenet.node.NodeStarter.start(NodeStarter.java:189)
 jvm 1| WrapperManager Error:at 
 org.tanukisoftware.wrapper.WrapperManager$11.run(WrapperManager.java:2979)
 jvm 1| Shutting down...

This is because of a severe (but trivial) bug in 1439 causing startup to fail 
if there are darknet peers. Please upgrade to 1440. You can do this by either:

1) Run update.sh (or update.cmd)
This should work for 99% of people.
2) If this doesn't work, update your update.sh or update.cmd from 
https://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/update/ then try again.
3) If this still doesn't work, download the jar manually from 
https://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/freenet-build01440.jar and save it 
over freenet.jar (it might be freenet.jar.new, you may need to check in 
wrapper.conf).
4) Otherwise something is seriously broken - ask for help or reinstall.


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Re: [freenet-support] How to update Freenet manually?

[Dennis Nezic]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:14:32 +, Moses wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I am in a network that blocked the domain freenetproject.org so I
 can't update Freenet directly by running update.cmd in the Freenet
 directory. And also, can't keeps Freenet running 24 hours a day. So
 how to update Freenet to the latest build. or change update.cmd to use
 a Freenet mirror?

Is tor.eff.org also blocked? Perhaps you can use tor to access the
uncensored web. Or other open proxies?

Is http://code.google.com/p/freenet/downloads/list blocked?

If you trust toad/any of the freenet devs, you could find their GPG
key, (make sure it's their's) and ask them to send you the file
directly, then verify their signature of the sent file.

(You can also consider using linux distros, which use their own mirrors
for packages :).

I'm sure there are many other creative (and not so creative)
possibilities.
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Re: [freenet-support] How to update Freenet manually?

[Moses]

Thanks for your reply.

I can access Google Code, but I don't know how to use files listed
there. Run the freenetinstaller*.exe will get something like freenet
already exist error. Is it OK just replace freenet.jar in the
installation path with the freenet-build*.jar?

Best regards.


On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Dennis Nezic
denn...@dennisn.dyndns.org wrote:
 On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:14:32 +, Moses wrote:

 Is tor.eff.org also blocked? Perhaps you can use tor to access the
 uncensored web. Or other open proxies?

 Is http://code.google.com/p/freenet/downloads/list blocked?

 If you trust toad/any of the freenet devs, you could find their GPG
 key, (make sure it's their's) and ask them to send you the file
 directly, then verify their signature of the sent file.

 (You can also consider using linux distros, which use their own mirrors
 for packages :).

 I'm sure there are many other creative (and not so creative)
 possibilities.
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Re: [freenet-support] How to update Freenet manually?

[Matthew Toseland]

On Saturday 20 Aug 2011 14:45:13 Moses wrote:
 Thanks for your reply.
 
 I can access Google Code, but I don't know how to use files listed
 there. Run the freenetinstaller*.exe will get something like freenet
 already exist error. Is it OK just replace freenet.jar in the
 installation path with the freenet-build*.jar?

Yes (although it might be freenet.jar.new sometimes). However, Freenet will 
normally be able to update itself transparently over Freenet itself. This may 
take up to a few hours if it's been offline for weeks and there's a mandatory, 
otherwise should be much quicker than that.
 
 Best regards.
 
 On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Dennis Nezic
 denn...@dennisn.dyndns.org wrote:
  On Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:14:32 +, Moses wrote:
 
  Is tor.eff.org also blocked? Perhaps you can use tor to access the
  uncensored web. Or other open proxies?
 
  Is http://code.google.com/p/freenet/downloads/list blocked?
 
  If you trust toad/any of the freenet devs, you could find their GPG
  key, (make sure it's their's) and ask them to send you the file
  directly, then verify their signature of the sent file.
 
  (You can also consider using linux distros, which use their own mirrors
  for packages :).
 
  I'm sure there are many other creative (and not so creative)
  possibilities.


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Re: [freenet-support] How much disk space is acceptable?

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On 07/26/2011 03:20 AM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
 We need to deal with out of disk space better than we do now. We should have 
 two limits:
 Lower limit: If we have less than this amount, Freenet shuts everything down, 
 and tells the user to free up some disk space.
 Upper limit: If we have less than this amount, Freenet attempts to free some 
 up via e.g. defragging the persistent-temp blob files more enthusiastically.
 
 If the computer we are installing on has a relatively small amount of space 
 (e.g. within a factor of 2 of the default upper limit), we should ask the 
 user for the thresholds. But we need some sane defaults. What is sane? 
 5GB/1GB? 1GB/0.5GB? This may be different for different operating systems 
 (Windows/Linux/Mac) ...
 
 Also, long term, it may be possible to use multiple datastores to 
 automatically adjust our disk usage. In which case two new policies are 
 possible:
 - Use X% of my available disk space (probably with a lower limit).
 - Ensure that X GB are available for my files at all times.

Won't it be completely useless on any file system which also has the reserved
space parameter? You may have 50G free on the 1T filesystem, but if 5% is the
reserved space, that means that you are out of disk space for everybody but the
root (and some other predefined) users.

  - Volodya

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[freenet-support] How much disk space is acceptable?

[Matthew Toseland]

We need to deal with out of disk space better than we do now. We should have 
two limits:
Lower limit: If we have less than this amount, Freenet shuts everything down, 
and tells the user to free up some disk space.
Upper limit: If we have less than this amount, Freenet attempts to free some up 
via e.g. defragging the persistent-temp blob files more enthusiastically.

If the computer we are installing on has a relatively small amount of space 
(e.g. within a factor of 2 of the default upper limit), we should ask the user 
for the thresholds. But we need some sane defaults. What is sane? 5GB/1GB? 
1GB/0.5GB? This may be different for different operating systems 
(Windows/Linux/Mac) ...

Also, long term, it may be possible to use multiple datastores to automatically 
adjust our disk usage. In which case two new policies are possible:
- Use X% of my available disk space (probably with a lower limit).
- Ensure that X GB are available for my files at all times.


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[freenet-support] How much latency is acceptable for forums?

[Matthew Toseland]

How much latency is acceptable for forums? 1 minute? 1 hour? 3 hours? 1 day? 3 
days?

To what degree can this be moderated by how much you trust/are interested in a 
specific identity? I.e. we could poll the 30 identities that you have given 
positive trust to manually fast enough to see their messages within minutes, 
but much of the rest only every few hours.

(Remember that only negative trust settings are a censorship problem in the 
current WebOfTrust; trust levels are strictly additive iirc)

These issues are very much relevant for scaling Freetalk. I suspect they are 
relevant for FMS too.

Obviously for apps with more obvious friend/follow relationships (Sone), this 
is different: we mainly care about those we follow, some latency for 
third-party replies is probably acceptable (reduced by hints when somebody else 
brings it to our attention); and we may even use CAPTCHAs for third parties to 
gain our attention quickly.

(CC'ing support for a broader range of opinions, since this is largely a 
usability issue)


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Re: [freenet-support] How to force freenet to use a non-default java

[Romain Dalmaso]

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 4:00 AM,  urza9...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you're
 launching with the shell script (is there a launcher shell script anymore?),
 you could just change where it calls java and hardcode your own location as
 above.

Don't do that. It's stupid. Edit the wrapper.java.command=java line
in the wrapper.conf file.
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Re: [freenet-support] How to force freenet to use a non-default java

[Uriel Carrasquilla]

 Don't do that. Edit the wrapper.java.command=java line
 in the wrapper.conf file.

This is a nice clean solution.  Thank you.
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Re: [freenet-support] How to force freenet to use a non-default java

[Uriel Carrasquilla]

 Edit the wrapper.java.command=java line
 in the wrapper.conf file.


I must be doing something wrong.
I started from scratch by deleting the freenet directory followed by a tar 
-xzvf freenet...tar.gz.
Then, I changed wrapper.con file as follow:
wrapper.java.command=$HOME/bin/java

I did an ls $HOME/bin/java to confirm.
Then, I ran $HOME/bin/java -version to confirm it is SUN's 1.6 version.

When I tried to run ./run.sh start, it gave me the default Linux Open JVM 
(that I cannot change since I don't have root access).

I started from scratch again, tar, followed by modify wrapper.conf.
This time, I went into run.sh and every call to java, I changed to 
$HOME/bin/java.
Then, I did the same with ./freenet/bin/1run.sh and changed very called to java 
to $HOME/bin/java.

At this point I did a cd ./freenet and typed:
./bin/1run.sh

Everything was looking great until I got a message:  crontab command not found. 
 Well, I don't have crontab and I won't be getting it from my hosting company.
I verified by typing which crontab, the failing command.

I thought, well, I will just have to start freenet (./run.sh start) every time 
I reboot (or put in my own profile).

I proceeded to do a ./run.sh status.
I was told freenet was not running.
I proceeded to ./run.sh start

Got the following messages:
Starting freenet 0.7

When I do the ./run.sh status:  no luck, it is not running.

When I look at freenet.ini, it is very small with only 7 lines.

By the way, for some reason I can only have 128M for my JVM.
I went into wrapper.conf and the line the comments tell me to change (I removed 
the # in the 1st column), I ended the line with MaxPermSize=128m.

When I looked at ./log/wrapper.log, there is a message saying unable to start 
JVM.  It is repeated quite a few times along with no such file or directory.
I doubled checked that I can run Java:
$HOME/bin/java -version

Could it be that $HOME is causing problems?
Could it be that I need to type /$HOME in all the files?

I promise to put together the documentation once we get this project going.

Thank you all for your help so far.






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Re: [freenet-support] How to force freenet to use a non-default java

[Dennis Nezic]

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:10:22 -0400, Uriel Carrasquilla wrote:
 
 
  Edit the wrapper.java.command=java line
  in the wrapper.conf file.
 
 
 I must be doing something wrong.
 I started from scratch by deleting the freenet directory followed by
 a tar -xzvf freenet...tar.gz. Then, I changed wrapper.con file as
 follow: wrapper.java.command=$HOME/bin/java
 [...]
 Could it be that $HOME is causing problems?

Could be. Try not using variables, but instead /home/fullpath/bin/java.
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[freenet-support] How to force freenet to use a non-default java

[Uriel Carrasquilla]

I don't have root access to my machine.
I installed Sun Java 1.6 in my own user directory.
I created a java a soft link in $HOME/bin.
But I cannot put $HOME/bin ahead of the other libraries in $PATH.
How can I force freenet to use the java version in $HOME/bin?

Or if this is not the right approach, what would suggest?
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Re: [freenet-support] How to force freenet to use a non-default java

[Eric Chadbourne]

On 09/07/2010 08:33 PM, Uriel Carrasquilla wrote:
 I don't have root access to my machine.
 I installed Sun Java 1.6 in my own user directory.
 I created a java a soft link in $HOME/bin.
 But I cannot put $HOME/bin ahead of the other libraries in $PATH.
 How can I force freenet to use the java version in $HOME/bin?
 
 Or if this is not the right approach, what would suggest?

at terminal can you export JAVA_HOME and then type env and see what it says?

alternatively can you specify which java version to use when starting
freenet?  off the top of my head i can't remember how to do this at
terminal.  i have two versions of java installed and gnome let's me
select which version to use when i right click on the jar.

hope that helps,
eric c



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Re: [freenet-support] How to force freenet to use a non-default java

[urza9814]

If you're running the jar directly, you could just hardcode the path to Java
in front of it. i.e. instead of typing 'java -jar freenet.jar' you could
type something like '~/bin/java -jar freenet.jar'...and you could put that
into a shell script or some kind of shortcut to make it easier. If you're
launching with the shell script (is there a launcher shell script anymore?),
you could just change where it calls java and hardcode your own location as
above. If you're already launching Freenet from a shortcut of some type, try
right-clicking or looking around for some way to edit the command that it's
running and make the changes I've suggested above.

I realize this is all bit vague - I haven't used 0.7 (well, tried it a few
times, always returned to 0.5), and I also don't know what kind of system
you're running, but hopefully that will give you a general idea. If you have
any specific issues or questions about what I've said, I may be able to help
you out further.

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Eric Chadbourne
eric.chadbou...@gmail.comwrote:

 On 09/07/2010 08:33 PM, Uriel Carrasquilla wrote:
  I don't have root access to my machine.
  I installed Sun Java 1.6 in my own user directory.
  I created a java a soft link in $HOME/bin.
  But I cannot put $HOME/bin ahead of the other libraries in $PATH.
  How can I force freenet to use the java version in $HOME/bin?
 
  Or if this is not the right approach, what would suggest?

 at terminal can you export JAVA_HOME and then type env and see what it
 says?

 alternatively can you specify which java version to use when starting
 freenet?  off the top of my head i can't remember how to do this at
 terminal.  i have two versions of java installed and gnome let's me
 select which version to use when i right click on the jar.

 hope that helps,
 eric c


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[freenet-support] How to force my choice of browser.

[David Vanderschel]

I just installed Freenet.  When I ran it the first time, it came
up in Firefox, suggesting that I should not use the same browser
as I normally use for everything else - which is Firefox.  So I
switched over to Chrome (incognito), and proceeded with the
configuration.  I figured it would pick up on the fact that I 
used

Chrome to do so, and that Chrome would become my browser for
Freenet.  But no joy!  It keeps coming up in Firefox.
I cannot figure out how to force it use Chrome.
(I would expect a configuration option for this on
Freenet Tray.  I have tried a number of searches, none of which
pan out.)  Is there a way?

Thanks for any help,
 David V.

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Re: [freenet-support] How to force my choice of browser.

[Matthew Toseland]

On Friday 04 June 2010 06:10:31 David Vanderschel wrote:
 I just installed Freenet.  When I ran it the first time, it came
 up in Firefox, suggesting that I should not use the same browser
 as I normally use for everything else - which is Firefox.  So I
 switched over to Chrome (incognito), and proceeded with the
 configuration.  I figured it would pick up on the fact that I 
 used
 Chrome to do so, and that Chrome would become my browser for
 Freenet.  But no joy!  It keeps coming up in Firefox.
 I cannot figure out how to force it use Chrome.
 (I would expect a configuration option for this on
 Freenet Tray.  I have tried a number of searches, none of which
 pan out.)  Is there a way?

No, not at present. However you can create a shortcut which opens Chrome in 
incognito mode pointing to http://127.0.0.1:/ . chrome -incognito url or 
something.
 
 Thanks for any help,
   David V.


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[freenet-support] How to use the freenet mailing list using pan newsreader

[user1]

I find it easier to use a newsreader (I use Pan, as it has worked very 
well for me) instead of your e-mail client  for managing your mailing 
lists.

Install Pan using synaptic (in ubuntu).

Add as news server:

Pan - Edit - Edit News Servers - Add - news.gmane.org

Add your e-mail address:

Pan - Edit - Edit Posting Profiles - your e-mail address

Then Search for gmane.linux.ubuntu.user (this is the ubuntu-users list) 
or gmane.network.freenet.support (this the freenet list) as group name 
(use search box top left in Pan) and then right click on the found group 
and choose subscribe.

Please note, that there is thousands of other mailing list groups out 
there.

Practical setup items:

Pan - Edit - Edit Preferences - Behaviour - Groups - mark Get new 
headers in subscribed groups on start up.

Pan - Groups - Get headers - Get all headers. 
This item makes it very important, that ALL subject lines in all posts to 
be very DESCRIPTIVE. Then it will be possible to search very distinct for 
answers. That is if you have all headers of a newsgroup downloaded in 
Pan, you can more easily find your answers. Search in subject lines is 
done in top right search box in Pan.

When you post/follow up first time you will receive an e-mail asking 
you to reply to the mail (to verify that you are you), and when you have 
done that you are up to use 
the mailing list group using Pan.

This should be done for each new newsgroup you subscribe to.

Using Pan for your mailing lists also give you a much better overview of 
your mailing lists I think.

Sorry that I repeat the usefullness of Pan, but it took me several years 
to find out how much more easy it is to use Pan for your mailing lists - 
a very important weapon for getting help in the linux world I find.

You may use another newsreader at your choice :-) 

***

If anybody has problems with certain spam articles/authors and use Pan 
newsreader they can do:

Select the article/s

Then choose: Pan - Articles - Edit Articles watch/ignore/score - Add - 
If the group name is gmane.linux.ubuntu.user - (or whatever the group 
name is)
Author - 
Ignore the article - 
Forever - 
Add and rescore

Then they get rid of the culprit/s *humor*

At a later time they can go back and edit what they did if they so 
desire  :-)

See also this link:  http://kb.iu.edu/data/afhc.html 



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[freenet-support] How to configure Freenet on a headless install?

[freenet . mexon]

I'm trying to get Freenet running on my server.  I follow the
instructions here:

http://freenetproject.org/download.html#unix

After installation, of course I need to access the web interface over
the Internet (actually, over a VPN).  There's a link at Read the FAQ on
how to enable web-access from a remote computer.  The link is broken,
there is in fact no such FAQ.  This is bad.

I figured out how to manually edit freenet.ini after googling up this:

http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/2008-March/001727.html

But I still only get access as a dumb user.  I can't configure anything.
 How can I get the right to alter Freenet settings?

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Re: [freenet-support] How to configure Freenet on a headless install?

[Artefact2]

On Sun, Sep 06, 2009 at 12:21:04PM +0100, freenet.me...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
 I'm trying to get Freenet running on my server.  I follow the
 instructions here:
 
 http://freenetproject.org/download.html#unix
 
 After installation, of course I need to access the web interface over
 the Internet (actually, over a VPN).  There's a link at Read the FAQ on
 how to enable web-access from a remote computer.  The link is broken,
 there is in fact no such FAQ.  This is bad.
 
 I figured out how to manually edit freenet.ini after googling up this:
 
 http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/2008-March/001727.html
 
 But I still only get access as a dumb user.  I can't configure anything.
  How can I get the right to alter Freenet settings?
 

Easiest solution is a SSH tunnel imho.

ssh -N u...@myvpnhost -L1:127.0.0.1:

Open any browser (custom profile with strict privacy policy is better),
go to http://127.0.0.1:1/ and you're done. 


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Re: [freenet-support] How to configure Freenet on a headless install?

[Luke771]

freenet.me...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
 I'm trying to get Freenet running on my server.  I follow the
 instructions here:

 http://freenetproject.org/download.html#unix

 After installation, of course I need to access the web interface over
 the Internet (actually, over a VPN).  There's a link at Read the FAQ on
 how to enable web-access from a remote computer.  The link is broken,
 there is in fact no such FAQ.  This is bad.

 I figured out how to manually edit freenet.ini after googling up this:

 http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/2008-March/001727.html

   

fproxy.allowedHosts= #gives 'dumb user access'

fproxy.allowedHostsFullAccess= #gives full access (you need the 
above too... I guess)

fcp.allowedHosts=  #allows connections from remote fcp clients, e.g. 
Frost, Thaw, jSite, etc.

However, I don't know if that's a good thing to do over the internet. On 
a LAN, it's OK but maybe over the internet you want to use ssh as 
suggested by Artefact2

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[freenet-support] How to clear my request cache?

[Michael Yip]

Hi,

I have noticed that one the nodes I'm running has cacched so many 
requests that it sends around 20k of them on every restart.

How do I actually clear the cache?

Thanks,

Michael

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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Matthew Toseland]

On Friday 21 August 2009 16:22:22 Evan Daniel wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Alex Pyattaevalex.pyatt...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
  He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running
  Freenet
  as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing
  whether F2F
  is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that
  F2F
  and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are
  actually not
  violating that particular network's guidelines.
 
  Actually, darknet peers inside LAN are not violating ToS, because the
  inside-network traffic is not an issue. The actual problem is that a bunch
  of p2p users seeding and leeching from internet can consume every possible
  bit of channel available on the ISP's connection.  That's why they are
  illegal. The traffic for each user is virtually unlimited, but if you do the
  math, you will see that without p2p you just can not consume even 2 mbit/s
  channel, and we provide 10 mbit/s. Thus, when the user is downloading
  something big from time to time - it works just nice. But when he fills up
  at list 5 mbit/s with 24/7 p2p exchange the traffic utilization is much
  bigger than it should be. I have proposed to the managers that we allow p2p
  for extra charge (or with limited QoS), but they have decided that it will
  not work out (all that piracy stuff is still an issue).
  Online gamers are not always client-server. I have stated spring as a
  typical random-server udp-based game (ta-spring.com), the Company Of heroes
  also works similarily - host is a random node, and all nodes are
  interconnected.
  Indeed, 24x7 active connections can be suspicious, so I hope you will
  counter this problem so that I don't bother setting up filter. I suggest
  breaking every single connection that lasts for more than 1 hour, if it is
  not unique, and then reconnecting after random delay.
  PS: fuck bosses, I run freenet node myself=)
 
 Last I checked, p2p wasn't illegal in any place I know of :)
 
 This sounds to me like you really just need better QoS for your users,
 not to block P2P.  It's relatively easy to allocate bandwidth such
 that everyone gets their fair share, and those that use it *less* get
 priority over the short term.  That means that p2p users can use up
 any excess bandwidth, but if someone else is just trying to browse the
 web it will go quickly.  Piracy is not the point of Freenet; please
 don't assume anyone running Freenet is a pirate.  You should consult a
 lawyer about your liability for piracy -- I suspect, however, that you
 aren't liable until you are notified of a *specific* problem.
 
 Also, have you tried just asking your users to set reasonable
 bandwidth limits?  All p2p apps I know of, including Freenet, provide
 bandwidth limiting controls.  Perhaps you should simply inform your
 users of the situation and what you consider a reasonable bw limit for
 p2p apps.

Or give them a quota and charge for usage beyond that. Or throttle them after 
it.


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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Matthew Toseland]

On Friday 21 August 2009 16:04:28 Alex Pyattaev wrote:
  He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running
  Freenet
  as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing whether
  F2F
  is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that
  F2F
  and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are actually
  not
  violating that particular network's guidelines.
 
  Actually, darknet peers inside LAN are not violating ToS, because the
 inside-network traffic is not an issue. The actual problem is that a bunch
 of p2p users seeding and leeching from internet can consume every possible
 bit of channel available on the ISP's connection.  That's why they are
 illegal. The traffic for each user is virtually unlimited, but if you do the
 math, you will see that without p2p you just can not consume even 2 mbit/s
 channel, and we provide 10 mbit/s. Thus, when the user is downloading
 something big from time to time - it works just nice. But when he fills up
 at list 5 mbit/s with 24/7 p2p exchange the traffic utilization is much
 bigger than it should be. I have proposed to the managers that we allow p2p
 for extra charge (or with limited QoS), but they have decided that it will
 not work out (all that piracy stuff is still an issue).
 
 Online gamers are not always client-server. I have stated spring as a
 typical random-server udp-based game (ta-spring.com), the Company Of heroes
 also works similarily - host is a random node, and all nodes are
 interconnected.

Ooh, that is interesting. Added to the stego wiki page.

 Indeed, 24x7 active connections can be suspicious, so I hope you will
 counter this problem so that I don't bother setting up filter. I suggest
 breaking every single connection that lasts for more than 1 hour, if it is
 not unique, and then reconnecting after random delay.

Well, opennet has high enough churn that this isn't a problem. Darknet on the 
other hand is a problem: you have a fixed and probably small set of peers, 
Freenet needs to run 24x7 for good performance, sacrificing even more 
uptime/connectivity is not really viable at the moment. However in future it 
may be, we have some features planned that may help with this (e.g. long-term 
requests).
 
 PS: fuck bosses, I run freenet node myself=)


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Re: [freenet-support] How can I undo the automatic messaging to my yahoo mailbox?

[Evan Daniel]

There is a link at the bottom of every email to unsubscribe:
http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:54 AM, richard
hepplewhiterichardhepplewh...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Dear Michael,

 How can I undo the automatic messaging to my yahoo mailbox?

 Thank you very much!

 Richard.

 --- On Sat, 8/22/09, Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org wrote:

 From: Matthew Toseland t...@amphibian.dyndns.org
 Subject: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 1232
 To: Discussion of development issues d...@freenetproject.org,
 support@freenetproject.org
 Date: Saturday, August 22, 2009, 11:44 PM

 Sorry folks, don't use 1231 (fortunately the upload to the auto-update
 didn't complete), it had a severe bug preventing startup. 1232 fixes this
 and also has some minor work on plugins.

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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Luke771]

Alex Pyattaev wrote:
 You know, I do think that freenet is a good idea. And in fact, until 
 freenet users will consume too much traffic, i'm not going to ban 
 them. Because i don't want to. In fact, right now 100.0% of major 
 traffic consumers are using *other* P2P networks. Mostly torrents, 
 some use mule  DC, but they are much less pain - DC-like protocols 
 never utilize 100% bandwidth due to long periods when noone is 
 leeching from you. So the upload traffic is poorly utilized, and 
 downloads are not so fast due to lack of seeders. So the major problem 
 is torrent, which is extremely easy to detect and ban. And I like the 
 idea. As of freenet, my interest is pure theory right now, since 
 freenet users just don't bother be.

If you like Freenet (cool that you do!) you could help the project: try 
to catch Freenet users on your network and report the results here, so 
developers would get valuable info.
If you do catch someone, you could even (anonymously?) help him set up a 
more secure node, and then try to catch him again.

The only problem that I can see here (and it may be kind of serious) 
would be: what if your bosses realize that you use resources, work 
hours, etc to catch Freenet users, and then you don't actually ban them? 
If you don't have a good excuse for that, may be better just forget the 
whole idea.
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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Alex Pyattaev]

The only problem that I can see here (and it may be kind of serious)
would be: what if your bosses realize that you use resources, work
hours, etc to catch Freenet users, and then you don't actually ban them?
If you don't have a good excuse for that, may be better just forget the
whole idea.

Dude, don't worry.  They are not that good=) and actually i like the idea.
howeverm right now i have to finish the job on torrent and DC tracking.
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[freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Alex Pyattaev]

I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing internet to
subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits the use of ANY p2p
network by subscribers. The question is - is it possible to detect freenet
nodes on my LAN? I could indeed use connection statistics, but this is not
too useful. AFAIK, it is much harder to detect those who contact friends
only, but what about others? I suppose the only real way is to have my own
client and use it to get IP's to ban...
However, the boss does not care about technical issues.
Thanks for your help.
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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[bimbek]

I don't know about others, but I would not will to help you.

2009/8/21 Alex Pyattaev alex.pyatt...@gmail.com

 I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing internet to
 subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits the use of ANY p2p
 network by subscribers. The question is - is it possible to detect freenet
 nodes on my LAN? I could indeed use connection statistics, but this is not
 too useful. AFAIK, it is much harder to detect those who contact friends
 only, but what about others? I suppose the only real way is to have my own
 client and use it to get IP's to ban...
 However, the boss does not care about technical issues.
 Thanks for your help.

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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Ermanno Baschiera]

Portscanning? I tried nmap on my node, but it can't identify the
application. I don't know if other tools are able to.

-ermanno

2009/8/21 Alex Pyattaev alex.pyatt...@gmail.com:
 I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing internet to
 subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits the use of ANY p2p
 network by subscribers. The question is - is it possible to detect freenet
 nodes on my LAN? I could indeed use connection statistics, but this is not
 too useful. AFAIK, it is much harder to detect those who contact friends
 only, but what about others? I suppose the only real way is to have my own
 client and use it to get IP's to ban...
 However, the boss does not care about technical issues.
 Thanks for your help.

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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Søren Bredlund Caspersen]

Hopefully the answer to Alex's question is: It can't be done.

If he can detect freenet nodes on his network, you must assume that
governments and the like can as well. I would rather we help Alex try
(and hopefully fail) in detecting nodes on his private home network,
than just ignore the fact that there are people out there (government,
corporate or private) who will in fact try.

And if we help Alex come up with a certain way of identifying nodes on
his home network, hopefully Freenet can be improved, to fight this
vulnerability.

Cheers
Søren


On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:16 AM, bimbekbimbek...@gmail.com wrote:
 I don't know about others, but I would not will to help you.

 2009/8/21 Alex Pyattaev alex.pyatt...@gmail.com

 I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing internet
 to subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits the use of ANY
 p2p network by subscribers. The question is - is it possible to detect
 freenet nodes on my LAN? I could indeed use connection statistics, but this
 is not too useful. AFAIK, it is much harder to detect those who contact
 friends only, but what about others? I suppose the only real way is to have
 my own client and use it to get IP's to ban...
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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Alex Pyattaev]

Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that try to
connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed tell you. Hope
I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so that I can sleep well
knowing that my bosses will never know about the freenet users in the LAN=)

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Søren Bredlund Caspersen 
soeren@gmail.com wrote:

 Hopefully the answer to Alex's question is: It can't be done.

 If he can detect freenet nodes on his network, you must assume that
 governments and the like can as well. I would rather we help Alex try
 (and hopefully fail) in detecting nodes on his private home network,
 than just ignore the fact that there are people out there (government,
 corporate or private) who will in fact try.

 And if we help Alex come up with a certain way of identifying nodes on
 his home network, hopefully Freenet can be improved, to fight this
 vulnerability.

 Cheers
 Søren


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  I don't know about others, but I would not will to help you.
 
  2009/8/21 Alex Pyattaev alex.pyatt...@gmail.com
 
  I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing internet
  to subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits the use of
 ANY
  p2p network by subscribers. The question is - is it possible to detect
  freenet nodes on my LAN? I could indeed use connection statistics, but
 this
  is not too useful. AFAIK, it is much harder to detect those who contact
  friends only, but what about others? I suppose the only real way is to
 have
  my own client and use it to get IP's to ban...
  However, the boss does not care about technical issues.
  Thanks for your help.
 
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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Luke771]

Alex Pyattaev wrote:
 I'm a system administrator of a private home network, providing 
 internet to subscribers via ethernet. The corporate policy prohibits 
 the use of ANY p2p network by subscribers. The question is - is it 
 possible to detect freenet nodes on my LAN? I could indeed use 
 connection statistics, but this is not too useful. AFAIK, it is much 
 harder to detect those who contact friends only, but what about 
 others? I suppose the only real way is to have my own client and use 
 it to get IP's to ban...
 However, the boss does not care about technical issues. 
 Thanks for your help. 

If you do detect any nodes, pleaser tell us because that would mean that 
Freenet must be fixed.
thanks for your help.

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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Luke771]

Alex Pyattaev wrote:
 Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that 
 try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed 
 tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so 
 that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know about the 
 freenet users in the LAN=)

What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users 
wont be that easy to catch.
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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

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 Victor, you basically repeat my idea (about the harvester), so i will
 think about implementation. Statistics method is not an option, almost
 the same stats are shown for online games (especially real-time) that
 utilize UDP. almost constant, mostly symmetrical(not always, e.g. spring
 produces asymmetrical bursty traffic). 

I don't really think so. First, most online games are client-server, so
at each particular moment in time, it's not very likely that a
particular IP will be conversing with 15+ different game servers. Next,
Freenet nodes have random UDP ports, which is also not very typical for
online games.

Regards,
Victor Denisov.
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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[VolodyA! V Anarhist]

Luke771 wrote:
 Alex Pyattaev wrote:
 Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that 
 try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed 
 tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so 
 that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know about the 
 freenet users in the LAN=)

 What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users 
 wont be that easy to catch.

He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running 
Freenet 
as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing whether F2F 
is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that F2F 
and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are actually not 
violating that particular network's guidelines.

   - Volodya




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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Evan Daniel]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM, VolodyA! V
Anarhistvolo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote:
 Luke771 wrote:
 Alex Pyattaev wrote:
 Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that
 try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed
 tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so
 that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know about the
 freenet users in the LAN=)

 What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users
 wont be that easy to catch.

 He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running 
 Freenet
 as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing whether 
 F2F
 is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that F2F
 and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are actually 
 not
 violating that particular network's guidelines.

Except that it's really, really obvious that friends are a subset of
peers.  See definition of peers.  In a computing context, peers is as
distinct from client/server etc.  This is a silly argument, and any
sysadmin will (rightly) tell you you're an idiot if you try to make
it.

Evan Daniel
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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Alex Pyattaev]

 He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running
 Freenet
 as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing whether
 F2F
 is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that
 F2F
 and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are actually
 not
 violating that particular network's guidelines.

 Actually, darknet peers inside LAN are not violating ToS, because the
inside-network traffic is not an issue. The actual problem is that a bunch
of p2p users seeding and leeching from internet can consume every possible
bit of channel available on the ISP's connection.  That's why they are
illegal. The traffic for each user is virtually unlimited, but if you do the
math, you will see that without p2p you just can not consume even 2 mbit/s
channel, and we provide 10 mbit/s. Thus, when the user is downloading
something big from time to time - it works just nice. But when he fills up
at list 5 mbit/s with 24/7 p2p exchange the traffic utilization is much
bigger than it should be. I have proposed to the managers that we allow p2p
for extra charge (or with limited QoS), but they have decided that it will
not work out (all that piracy stuff is still an issue).

Online gamers are not always client-server. I have stated spring as a
typical random-server udp-based game (ta-spring.com), the Company Of heroes
also works similarily - host is a random node, and all nodes are
interconnected.
Indeed, 24x7 active connections can be suspicious, so I hope you will
counter this problem so that I don't bother setting up filter. I suggest
breaking every single connection that lasts for more than 1 hour, if it is
not unique, and then reconnecting after random delay.

PS: fuck bosses, I run freenet node myself=)
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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Evan Daniel]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Alex Pyattaevalex.pyatt...@gmail.com wrote:

 He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running
 Freenet
 as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing
 whether F2F
 is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that
 F2F
 and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are
 actually not
 violating that particular network's guidelines.

 Actually, darknet peers inside LAN are not violating ToS, because the
 inside-network traffic is not an issue. The actual problem is that a bunch
 of p2p users seeding and leeching from internet can consume every possible
 bit of channel available on the ISP's connection.  That's why they are
 illegal. The traffic for each user is virtually unlimited, but if you do the
 math, you will see that without p2p you just can not consume even 2 mbit/s
 channel, and we provide 10 mbit/s. Thus, when the user is downloading
 something big from time to time - it works just nice. But when he fills up
 at list 5 mbit/s with 24/7 p2p exchange the traffic utilization is much
 bigger than it should be. I have proposed to the managers that we allow p2p
 for extra charge (or with limited QoS), but they have decided that it will
 not work out (all that piracy stuff is still an issue).
 Online gamers are not always client-server. I have stated spring as a
 typical random-server udp-based game (ta-spring.com), the Company Of heroes
 also works similarily - host is a random node, and all nodes are
 interconnected.
 Indeed, 24x7 active connections can be suspicious, so I hope you will
 counter this problem so that I don't bother setting up filter. I suggest
 breaking every single connection that lasts for more than 1 hour, if it is
 not unique, and then reconnecting after random delay.
 PS: fuck bosses, I run freenet node myself=)

Last I checked, p2p wasn't illegal in any place I know of :)

This sounds to me like you really just need better QoS for your users,
not to block P2P.  It's relatively easy to allocate bandwidth such
that everyone gets their fair share, and those that use it *less* get
priority over the short term.  That means that p2p users can use up
any excess bandwidth, but if someone else is just trying to browse the
web it will go quickly.  Piracy is not the point of Freenet; please
don't assume anyone running Freenet is a pirate.  You should consult a
lawyer about your liability for piracy -- I suspect, however, that you
aren't liable until you are notified of a *specific* problem.

Also, have you tried just asking your users to set reasonable
bandwidth limits?  All p2p apps I know of, including Freenet, provide
bandwidth limiting controls.  Perhaps you should simply inform your
users of the situation and what you consider a reasonable bw limit for
p2p apps.

Evan Daniel
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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Jim Cook]

At 09:15 AM 8/21/2009, Evan Daniel wrote:

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Victor Denisovvdeni...@redline.ru wrote:
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  Luke771 wrote:
  What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users
  wont be that easy to catch.
 
  No, they'll be extremely easy to catch, along with their friends' IP
  addresses. Detect local darknet nodes via generic traffic analysis (how
  many people skype or play online games for 20+ hours a day with constant
  80+ KB/sec traffic?) - Check local port used for conversations - find
  local nodes' darknet port - detect its darknet peers. Trivial.
 
  On the other hand, moving just one hop further in the darknet chain
  requires cooperation with the remote ISP, which is something everyone
  considers to be relatively difficult to achieve.

Right now, the best defense for darknet nodes is that this sort of
analysis is computationally expensive on a large network.  For a small
lan, it probably isn't, making even darknet relatively easy to catch.

Freenet (or whatever) users could just route all of their traffic 
through a proxy via securely-encrypted VPN, such as XeroBank with 
OpenVPN.  Although you'd still know that they were hogging bandwidth, 
you wouldn't have a clue what they were doing with it.

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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[VolodyA! V Anarhist]

Evan Daniel wrote:
 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM, VolodyA! V
 Anarhistvolo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote:
 Luke771 wrote:
 Alex Pyattaev wrote:
 Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that
 try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed
 tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so
 that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know about the
 freenet users in the LAN=)

 What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users
 wont be that easy to catch.
 He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running 
 Freenet
 as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing whether 
 F2F
 is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that F2F
 and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are actually 
 not
 violating that particular network's guidelines.
 
 Except that it's really, really obvious that friends are a subset of
 peers.  See definition of peers.  In a computing context, peers is as
 distinct from client/server etc.  This is a silly argument, and any
 sysadmin will (rightly) tell you you're an idiot if you try to make
 it.
 
 Evan Daniel

The issue with my university was that P2P applications do not let anybody 
control who connects to your computer. Each person has to be responsible for 
the 
connections being made to the machine. Clearly F2F network is *not* a subset of 
P2P under that light. So many users will (rightly) call you an idiot (since we 
were not discussing peers and friends, but P2P and F2F).

- Volodya

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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Artefact2]

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:57:15PM +0100, VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote:
 Evan Daniel wrote:
  On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM, VolodyA! V
  Anarhistvolo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote:
  Luke771 wrote:
  Alex Pyattaev wrote:
  Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that
  try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed
  tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so
  that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know about the
  freenet users in the LAN=)
 
  What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users
  wont be that easy to catch.
  He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications running 
  Freenet
  as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing 
  whether F2F
  is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept that 
  F2F
  and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are 
  actually not
  violating that particular network's guidelines.
  
  Except that it's really, really obvious that friends are a subset of
  peers.  See definition of peers.  In a computing context, peers is as
  distinct from client/server etc.  This is a silly argument, and any
  sysadmin will (rightly) tell you you're an idiot if you try to make
  it.
  
  Evan Daniel
 
 The issue with my university was that P2P applications do not let anybody 
 control who connects to your computer. Each person has to be responsible for 
 the 
 connections being made to the machine. Clearly F2F network is *not* a subset 
 of 
 P2P under that light. So many users will (rightly) call you an idiot (since 
 we 
 were not discussing peers and friends, but P2P and F2F).
 
 - Volodya

I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you. You control who your node
connect with, but you *don't* control what goes through your node.

You can control your friends, you cannot control friends of your
friends.

So we might consider that, _in the case of Freenet_, F2F is P2P, it's
just extremely more difficult to censor.


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Re: [freenet-support] How can a system administrator detect active freenodes?

[Alex Pyattaev]

You know, I do think that freenet is a good idea. And in fact, until freenet
users will consume too much traffic, i'm not going to ban them. Because i
don't want to. In fact, right now 100.0% of major traffic consumers are
using *other* P2P networks. Mostly torrents, some use mule  DC, but they
are much less pain - DC-like protocols never utilize 100% bandwidth due to
long periods when noone is leeching from you. So the upload traffic is
poorly utilized, and downloads are not so fast due to lack of seeders. So
the major problem is torrent, which is extremely easy to detect and ban. And
I like the idea. As of freenet, my interest is pure theory right now, since
freenet users just don't bother be.

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:11 PM, Artefact2 artefa...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 04:57:15PM +0100, VolodyA! V Anarhist wrote:
  Evan Daniel wrote:
   On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM, VolodyA! V
   Anarhistvolo...@whengendarmesleeps.org wrote:
   Luke771 wrote:
   Alex Pyattaev wrote:
   Ok people, I'll try to adopt my own freenode to track the users that
   try to connect to freenet. If I come up with solution, I'll indeed
   tell you. Hope I'll ban some nasty users before you make a patch, so
   that I can sleep well knowing that my bosses will never know about
 the
   freenet users in the LAN=)
  
   What you're doing here is catching Opennet users. Pure Darknet users
   wont be that easy to catch.
   He has stated that the network does not allow P2P applications
 running Freenet
   as pure darknet will technically be F2F, now we can start arguing
 whether F2F
   is a subset of P2P or a distinctly different thing. But if we accept
 that F2F
   and P2P are different, then people who haven't enabled Opennet are
 actually not
   violating that particular network's guidelines.
  
   Except that it's really, really obvious that friends are a subset of
   peers.  See definition of peers.  In a computing context, peers is as
   distinct from client/server etc.  This is a silly argument, and any
   sysadmin will (rightly) tell you you're an idiot if you try to make
   it.
  
   Evan Daniel
 
  The issue with my university was that P2P applications do not let anybody
  control who connects to your computer. Each person has to be responsible
 for the
  connections being made to the machine. Clearly F2F network is *not* a
 subset of
  P2P under that light. So many users will (rightly) call you an idiot
 (since we
  were not discussing peers and friends, but P2P and F2F).
 
  - Volodya

 I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you. You control who your node
 connect with, but you *don't* control what goes through your node.

 You can control your friends, you cannot control friends of your
 friends.

 So we might consider that, _in the case of Freenet_, F2F is P2P, it's
 just extremely more difficult to censor.

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[freenet-support] How to move shrink move datastore ?

[Thad Guidry]

Hello,

I have Freenet installed in Windows XP on my F:\Freenet drive.
I want to move the installation to my C:\Freenet drive.
I also want to shrink or change my datastore size from 100Gigs down to
perhaps 10Gig instead, before or after the move.
I am using Windows XP.

How would I accomplish the above ?
I have found were to change the size under Advanced, but it doesn't seem to
shrink it yet.  Does it take time ?

Any help with the above would be tremendous.  In doing the move, I plan to
keep the node up 24/7.

-Thad
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Re: [freenet-support] How to move shrink move datastore ?

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Thad Guidry a écrit :

Hello,

I have Freenet installed in Windows XP on my F:\Freenet drive.
I want to move the installation to my C:\Freenet drive.
I also want to shrink or change my datastore size from 100Gigs down to 
perhaps 10Gig instead, before or after the move.

I am using Windows XP.

How would I accomplish the above ?
I have found were to change the size under Advanced, but it doesn't 
seem to shrink it yet.  Does it take time ?


Any help with the above would be tremendous.  In doing the move, I 
plan to keep the node up 24/7.


-Thad


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Hi,
I also use from time to time windows xp pro, and now particularly to 
experiment with Freenet (this xp is installed on an iMac Leopard-Intel), 
but sofar after reading your post, I wonder why don't you just try, 
after having stopped Freenet, to make a right click on its directory and 
then, click on: move to... and choosing the location You like... It 
should work... you may verify afterwith if all the paths and links  are 
correct, but it should be,since normally all the DL folders, Temp 
folders, and so on are in this same directory... I did often this on the 
leopard part of my OS and it always worked (Pando, Freenet [this was on 
Tiger], Ants...)

You should give a trial
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Re: [freenet-support] How to move shrink move datastore ?

[Matthew Toseland]

On Friday 19 June 2009 03:30:03 Thad Guidry wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I have Freenet installed in Windows XP on my F:\Freenet drive.
 I want to move the installation to my C:\Freenet drive.
 I also want to shrink or change my datastore size from 100Gigs down to
 perhaps 10Gig instead, before or after the move.
 I am using Windows XP.
 
 How would I accomplish the above ?
 I have found were to change the size under Advanced, but it doesn't seem to
 shrink it yet.  Does it take time ?

It can take a significant amount of time, yes. Once the shrink has completed, I 
recommend you shut down Freenet, copy the important files (freenet.ini, the 
datastore directory, and anything with a number in it, except for the temp dir) 
to somewhere safe, and uninstall. Then install a new node on C, shutdown the 
node, delete the datastore dir and files with a number in their names, and copy 
the old data over it.
 
 Any help with the above would be tremendous.  In doing the move, I plan to
 keep the node up 24/7.

This is why you can't just move the directory: You need the new node to still 
be auto-started.
 
 -Thad


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[freenet-support] How to increase the store?

[bbackde]

I wanted to increase my datastore from 90 to 100GiB. Changed the setting,
and set 'preallocate datastore' to false (also tried with true, same result).
Shortly after restart the node starts to access each single key:

INFO   | jvm 1| 2009/06/15 07:10:23 | PUBKEY-cache cleaner in
progress: 1376135/1380999
INFO   | jvm 1| 2009/06/15 07:12:00 | CHK-cache cleaner in
progress: 0/1380999


The CHK process ran for more than 14 hours, and then it didn't even
reach 30% progress.
I had to stop the migration. I set the node size back to 90GiB, and
now my cache utilization is
at 5,5% (before it was 99%). So most of the data is gone. But however,
how can I increase
the store without the never-ending migration?

FYI: I run freenet on a laptop, the store is on an external USB hard disk.

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[freenet-support] How to set the datastore to a different disk on osx

[Jelbert Holtrop]

Hi,

I run freenet on osx and want to have freenet on a different drive  
from the startup disk. However during the installation of freenet I  
can only select the startup disk as destination for freenet. Is it  
possible to install freenet on a different drive or have the data  
store on a different location from the startup disk?

Jelbert
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Re: [freenet-support] How to set the datastore to a different disk on osx

[Dennis Nezic]

On Wed, 20 May 2009 03:05:22 +0200, Jelbert Holtrop wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I run freenet on osx and want to have freenet on a different drive  
 from the startup disk. However during the installation of freenet I  
 can only select the startup disk as destination for freenet. Is it  
 possible to install freenet on a different drive or have the data  
 store on a different location from the startup disk?

In the advanced configuration options in fproxy, in the node section,
you can change the location of the datastore (as well as the downloads
folder, temp folder, etc). I'm not sure if this copies/moves your
existing datastore over--I'd guess it doesn't, and that you'd have to
move it manually. Alternatively, I believe you should be able to simply
symlink (ln -s  that exists in osx, right?) the directory to
wherever you'd like. Though, you should also be able to simply move the
entire freenet folder to wherever you like. (And perhaps change any
startup shortcuts--though I've never used such things :b)
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[freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

[SmallSister development]

Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:45:29 +0100, SmallSister development wrote:
>> I get the error message:
>>> One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
>>> weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
>>> marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
>>> that aren't there).
>> A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
>> peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
>> it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)
>>
>> Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor
>> routed.
> 
> Look in the peers file. Find the reference, it will include all the IPs, not 
> just the IPv6 one.
> 
> HOWEVER, the above message should NEVER result from an opennet peer. If it 
> does, THERE IS A BUG! Are you sure it's an opennet peer that is responsible? 
> A "NEVER CONNECTED" opennet peer should be purged within a few hours, if it 
> isn't I would like to know!

I am 100% sure that it is an opennet peer. (I never added any friends.)
Here is the record from "openpeers-37365" (it is the first record in the
file):
opennet=true
identity=vO9Wzm7MyjbZfhX4WxYBG45Jl7IC6byGFRguKVJow~E
location=-1.0
testnet=false
lastGoodVersion=Fred,0.7,1.0,1198
version=Fred,0.7,1.0,1204
dsaPubKey.y=L7OcjtnIDSJv9K~Ej2KvCichx9ZaNG0c7RG1XkDNLJwx1HXAilapB3PtQ1vgl39nO2B3
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6RXYXHZP~M9VEiWc9tvuFkYrt0JRwh~vcA
physical.udp=2001:0:4137:9e50:88b:1825:e788:476c:59863;67.60.47.203:59863;24.119
.184.147:59863
dsaGroup.g=UaRatnDByf0QvTlaaAXTMzn1Z15LDTXe-J~gOqXCv0zpz83CVngSkb--bVRuZ9R65OFg~
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dsaGroup.p=AIYIrE9VNhM38qPjirGGT-PJjWZBHY0q-JxSYyDFQfZQeOhrx4SUpdc~SppnWD~UHymT7
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ark.pubURI=SSK at 
Q02BG6Pyj~cjJul5cgrzJyK8W7NBA1w4veE4BIAIgJU,FPtOPsvGJCK82oQwhlaKn
71rRb0tVGFLRTdnSNqhUiU,AQACAAE/ark
ark.number=17
auth.negTypes=2;4
metadata.routableConnectionCheckCount=103334
metadata.timeLastSuccess=0
metadata.neverConnected=true
metadata.peerAddedTime=1233133161091
metadata.detected.udp=2001:0:4137:9e50:143d:1279:bcc3:d034:59863
End

My freenet node is on a LAN, behind a NAT gateway. I have set forwarding
rules for incoming freenet UDP packets on the gateway. The freenet node
(64 bit Linux) has ipv6 support, but ipv6 is not configured. The gateway
only knows about ipv4. One specific (potentially relevant) configuration
I made to freenet on my box is to only advertise the external ipv4
address. "physical.udp=213.84.14.16:37365"

Peter.

Re: [freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

[Matthew Toseland]

On Thursday 12 February 2009 16:43, Luke771 wrote:
 On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:57:27 +0100
 SmallSister development smallsis...@xs4all.nl wrote:
 
  Luke771 wrote:
   On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:42:46 -0500
   Dennis Nezic denn...@dennisn.dyndns.org wrote:
   
   On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:45:29 +0100, SmallSister development wrote:
   I get the error message:
   One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
   weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
   marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
   that aren't there).
   A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
   peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
   it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)
  
   Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor
   routed.
   An iptables DROP rule to filter that ip address? :b
   
   Edit openpeers-port# and delete the culprit.
   You may need to add a firewall rule to prevent the same IP from being 
re-added
   (stop freenet, edit file, add firewall rule, start freenet)
   
  Can you tell me what ipv4 address to block? The ipv6 address that the
  peer advertises is not routed.
  
 
 No idea, sorry. I guess it's possible to find out but I have no idea how.

Look in the peers file. Find the reference, it will include all the IPs, not 
just the IPv6 one.

HOWEVER, the above message should NEVER result from an opennet peer. If it 
does, THERE IS A BUG! Are you sure it's an opennet peer that is responsible? 
A NEVER CONNECTED opennet peer should be purged within a few hours, if it 
isn't I would like to know!


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Re: [freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

[SmallSister development]

Matthew Toseland wrote:
 On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:45:29 +0100, SmallSister development wrote:
 I get the error message:
 One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
 weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
 marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
 that aren't there).
 A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
 peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
 it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)

 Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor
 routed.
 
 Look in the peers file. Find the reference, it will include all the IPs, not 
 just the IPv6 one.
 
 HOWEVER, the above message should NEVER result from an opennet peer. If it 
 does, THERE IS A BUG! Are you sure it's an opennet peer that is responsible? 
 A NEVER CONNECTED opennet peer should be purged within a few hours, if it 
 isn't I would like to know!

I am 100% sure that it is an opennet peer. (I never added any friends.)
Here is the record from openpeers-37365 (it is the first record in the
file):
opennet=true
identity=vO9Wzm7MyjbZfhX4WxYBG45Jl7IC6byGFRguKVJow~E
location=-1.0
testnet=false
lastGoodVersion=Fred,0.7,1.0,1198
version=Fred,0.7,1.0,1204
dsaPubKey.y=L7OcjtnIDSJv9K~Ej2KvCichx9ZaNG0c7RG1XkDNLJwx1HXAilapB3PtQ1vgl39nO2B3
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6RXYXHZP~M9VEiWc9tvuFkYrt0JRwh~vcA
physical.udp=2001:0:4137:9e50:88b:1825:e788:476c:59863;67.60.47.203:59863;24.119
.184.147:59863
dsaGroup.g=UaRatnDByf0QvTlaaAXTMzn1Z15LDTXe-J~gOqXCv0zpz83CVngSkb--bVRuZ9R65OFg~
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ark.number=17
auth.negTypes=2;4
metadata.routableConnectionCheckCount=103334
metadata.timeLastSuccess=0
metadata.neverConnected=true
metadata.peerAddedTime=1233133161091
metadata.detected.udp=2001:0:4137:9e50:143d:1279:bcc3:d034:59863
End

My freenet node is on a LAN, behind a NAT gateway. I have set forwarding
rules for incoming freenet UDP packets on the gateway. The freenet node
(64 bit Linux) has ipv6 support, but ipv6 is not configured. The gateway
only knows about ipv4. One specific (potentially relevant) configuration
I made to freenet on my box is to only advertise the external ipv4
address. physical.udp=213.84.14.16:37365

Peter.
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[freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

[Luke771]

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:57:27 +0100
SmallSister development  wrote:

> Luke771 wrote:
> > On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:42:46 -0500
> > Dennis Nezic  wrote:
> > 
> >> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:45:29 +0100, SmallSister development wrote:
> >>> I get the error message:
>  One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
>  weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
>  marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
>  that aren't there).
> >>> A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
> >>> peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
> >>> it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)
> >>>
> >>> Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor
> >>> routed.
> >> An iptables DROP rule to filter that ip address? :b
> > 
> > Edit openpeers- and delete the culprit.
> > You may need to add a firewall rule to prevent the same IP from being 
> > re-added
> > (stop freenet, edit file, add firewall rule, start freenet)
> > 
> Can you tell me what ipv4 address to block? The ipv6 address that the
> peer advertises is not routed.
> 

No idea, sorry. I guess it's possible to find out but I have no idea how.


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[freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

[SmallSister development]

Luke771 wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:42:46 -0500
> Dennis Nezic  wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:45:29 +0100, SmallSister development wrote:
>>> I get the error message:
 One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
 weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
 marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
 that aren't there).
>>> A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
>>> peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
>>> it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)
>>>
>>> Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor
>>> routed.
>> An iptables DROP rule to filter that ip address? :b
> 
> Edit openpeers- and delete the culprit.
> You may need to add a firewall rule to prevent the same IP from being re-added
> (stop freenet, edit file, add firewall rule, start freenet)
> 
Can you tell me what ipv4 address to block? The ipv6 address that the
peer advertises is not routed.

[freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

[Luke771]

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:42:46 -0500
Dennis Nezic  wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:45:29 +0100, SmallSister development wrote:
> > I get the error message:
> > > One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
> > > weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
> > > marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
> > > that aren't there).
> > 
> > A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
> > peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
> > it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)
> > 
> > Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor
> > routed.
> 
> An iptables DROP rule to filter that ip address? :b

Edit openpeers- and delete the culprit.
You may need to add a firewall rule to prevent the same IP from being re-added
(stop freenet, edit file, add firewall rule, start freenet)

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[freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

[SmallSister development]

I get the error message:
> One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
> weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
> marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
> that aren't there).

A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)

Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor routed.

Peter.

[freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

[Edward Langenback]

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Luke771 wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:57:27 +0100
> SmallSister development  wrote:
> 
>> Luke771 wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:42:46 -0500
>>> Dennis Nezic  wrote:
>>>
 On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:45:29 +0100, SmallSister development wrote:
> I get the error message:
>> One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
>> weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
>> marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
>> that aren't there).
> A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
> peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
> it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)
>
> Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor
> routed.
 An iptables DROP rule to filter that ip address? :b
>>> Edit openpeers- and delete the culprit.
>>> You may need to add a firewall rule to prevent the same IP from being 
>>> re-added
>>> (stop freenet, edit file, add firewall rule, start freenet)
>>>
>> Can you tell me what ipv4 address to block? The ipv6 address that the
>> peer advertises is not routed.
>>
> 
> No idea, sorry. I guess it's possible to find out but I have no idea how.


Try this:  http://ip-lookup.net/conversion.php


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[freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

[Dennis Nezic]

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:45:29 +0100, SmallSister development wrote:
> I get the error message:
> > One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
> > weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
> > marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
> > that aren't there).
> 
> A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
> peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
> it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)
> 
> Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor
> routed.

An iptables DROP rule to filter that ip address? :b

[freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

[SmallSister development]

I get the error message:
 One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
 weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
 marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
 that aren't there).

A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)

Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor routed.

Peter.
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Re: [freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

[Dennis Nezic]

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:45:29 +0100, SmallSister development wrote:
 I get the error message:
  One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
  weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
  marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
  that aren't there).
 
 A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
 peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
 it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)
 
 Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor
 routed.

An iptables DROP rule to filter that ip address? :b
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Re: [freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

[Luke771]

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:42:46 -0500
Dennis Nezic denn...@dennisn.dyndns.org wrote:

 On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:45:29 +0100, SmallSister development wrote:
  I get the error message:
   One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
   weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
   marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
   that aren't there).
  
  A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
  peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
  it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)
  
  Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor
  routed.
 
 An iptables DROP rule to filter that ip address? :b

Edit openpeers-port# and delete the culprit.
You may need to add a firewall rule to prevent the same IP from being re-added
(stop freenet, edit file, add firewall rule, start freenet)

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Re: [freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

[SmallSister development]

Luke771 wrote:
 On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:42:46 -0500
 Dennis Nezic denn...@dennisn.dyndns.org wrote:
 
 On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:45:29 +0100, SmallSister development wrote:
 I get the error message:
 One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
 weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
 marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
 that aren't there).
 A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
 peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
 it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)

 Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor
 routed.
 An iptables DROP rule to filter that ip address? :b
 
 Edit openpeers-port# and delete the culprit.
 You may need to add a firewall rule to prevent the same IP from being re-added
 (stop freenet, edit file, add firewall rule, start freenet)
 
Can you tell me what ipv4 address to block? The ipv6 address that the
peer advertises is not routed.

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Re: [freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

[Luke771]

On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:57:27 +0100
SmallSister development smallsis...@xs4all.nl wrote:

 Luke771 wrote:
  On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:42:46 -0500
  Dennis Nezic denn...@dennisn.dyndns.org wrote:
  
  On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:45:29 +0100, SmallSister development wrote:
  I get the error message:
  One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
  weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
  marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
  that aren't there).
  A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
  peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
  it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)
 
  Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor
  routed.
  An iptables DROP rule to filter that ip address? :b
  
  Edit openpeers-port# and delete the culprit.
  You may need to add a firewall rule to prevent the same IP from being 
  re-added
  (stop freenet, edit file, add firewall rule, start freenet)
  
 Can you tell me what ipv4 address to block? The ipv6 address that the
 peer advertises is not routed.
 

No idea, sorry. I guess it's possible to find out but I have no idea how.


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Re: [freenet-support] How to remove an opennet peer?

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Luke771 wrote:
 On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:57:27 +0100
 SmallSister development smallsis...@xs4all.nl wrote:
 
 Luke771 wrote:
 On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:42:46 -0500
 Dennis Nezic denn...@dennisn.dyndns.org wrote:

 On Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:45:29 +0100, SmallSister development wrote:
 I get the error message:
 One or more of your node's peers have never connected in the two
 weeks since they were added. Consider removing them since they are
 marginally affecting performance (wasting packets talking to nodes
 that aren't there).
 A quick investigation identified the culprit: an ipv6-only opnennet
 peer. How do I get it off the list? (I am perfectly willing to ignore
 it, it doesn't seem to do much harm.)

 Yes, my Linux boxen have ipv6 support, but that isn't configured nor
 routed.
 An iptables DROP rule to filter that ip address? :b
 Edit openpeers-port# and delete the culprit.
 You may need to add a firewall rule to prevent the same IP from being 
 re-added
 (stop freenet, edit file, add firewall rule, start freenet)

 Can you tell me what ipv4 address to block? The ipv6 address that the
 peer advertises is not routed.

 
 No idea, sorry. I guess it's possible to find out but I have no idea how.


Try this:  http://ip-lookup.net/conversion.php


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[freenet-support] How open two Firefox profiles at the same time?

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Thank you very much, Edward.

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>> different. Before, freenet automatically opened in a new one, now he
>> doesn't, and I cannot do it manually.
>>
>
> I found a few pages that might help...
>
> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/internet/firefox/use-multiple-firefox-profiles-at-the-same-time/
>
> http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38=209184=0=0=t=a
>
> http://www.searchenginejournal.com/firefox-for-seos-working-with-several-firefox-profiles/7319/
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[freenet-support] How open two Firefox profiles at the same time?

[3BUIb3S50i 3BUIb3S50i]

Hi,

How do open two different firefox profiles at the same time? When I
open firefox, it always uses the same profile, I cannot open two
different. Before, freenet automatically opened in a new one, now he
doesn't, and I cannot do it manually.

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[freenet-support] How open two Firefox profiles at the same time?

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3BUIb3S50i 3BUIb3S50i wrote:
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> 
> How do open two different firefox profiles at the same time? When I
> open firefox, it always uses the same profile, I cannot open two
> different. Before, freenet automatically opened in a new one, now he
> doesn't, and I cannot do it manually.
> 

I found a few pages that might help...

http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/internet/firefox/use-multiple-firefox-profiles-at-the-same-time/

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38=209184=0=0=t=a

http://www.searchenginejournal.com/firefox-for-seos-working-with-several-firefox-profiles/7319/

http://lifehacker.com/software/firefox/geek-to-live--manage-multiple-firefox-profiles-231646.php

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[freenet-support] How open two Firefox profiles at the same time?

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Hi,

How do open two different firefox profiles at the same time? When I
open firefox, it always uses the same profile, I cannot open two
different. Before, freenet automatically opened in a new one, now he
doesn't, and I cannot do it manually.

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Re: [freenet-support] How open two Firefox profiles at the same time?

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 How do open two different firefox profiles at the same time? When I
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 different. Before, freenet automatically opened in a new one, now he
 doesn't, and I cannot do it manually.


 I found a few pages that might help...

 http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/internet/firefox/use-multiple-firefox-profiles-at-the-same-time/

 http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=38t=209184start=0st=0sk=tsd=a

 http://www.searchenginejournal.com/firefox-for-seos-working-with-several-firefox-profiles/7319/

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[freenet-support] How do you move freenet to another computer

[Luke771]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:21:57 +0100
bqz69  wrote:

> How do you move  freenet to another computer, so you can continue to use the 
> same node ref. and datastore etc.

If you're moving your node to a Unix based OS (pretty much any OS but Windows) 
you can simply copy the Freenet directory to the new box.
You may want to install a cron job for the autostart.
Download .sh scripts (update.sh and run.sh) from 
downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha and drop them into the freenet direcotry if 
you're moving from a Windows box

For moving to a Windows box you have to:
- copy your Freenet directory from the old box
- install a new freenet node on the Windows box where you want to move your 
node to
- stop the new node you just installed
- delete the content of the Freenet directory (save the .cmd files if your 
moving from a *nix box)
- replace it with the content from the Freenet directory copied from the old box
- start the node

NOTE: don't simply overwrite the Freenet directory with the one you copied from 
the old box: it would work but your freenet directory would include a bunch of 
useless files and direcotries: the right way to go is to delete the freenet 
directory's content first (except .cmd files) and then replace with the stuff 
you copied.


Did I miss anything? I read again before posting but I can't find the terribly 
obvious thing that I missed (I always do)


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Re: [freenet-support] How do you move freenet to another computer

[Luke771]

On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 18:21:57 +0100
bqz69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How do you move  freenet to another computer, so you can continue to use the 
 same node ref. and datastore etc.

If you're moving your node to a Unix based OS (pretty much any OS but Windows) 
you can simply copy the Freenet directory to the new box.
You may want to install a cron job for the autostart.
Download .sh scripts (update.sh and run.sh) from 
downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha and drop them into the freenet direcotry if 
you're moving from a Windows box

For moving to a Windows box you have to:
- copy your Freenet directory from the old box
- install a new freenet node on the Windows box where you want to move your 
node to
- stop the new node you just installed
- delete the content of the Freenet directory (save the .cmd files if your 
moving from a *nix box)
- replace it with the content from the Freenet directory copied from the old box
- start the node

NOTE: don't simply overwrite the Freenet directory with the one you copied from 
the old box: it would work but your freenet directory would include a bunch of 
useless files and direcotries: the right way to go is to delete the freenet 
directory's content first (except .cmd files) and then replace with the stuff 
you copied.


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obvious thing that I missed (I always do)


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How do you move  freenet to another computer, so you can continue to use the 
same node ref. and datastore etc.

[freenet-support] How do you move freenet to another computer

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How do you move  freenet to another computer, so you can continue to use the 
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Re: [freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible

[Matthew Toseland]

On Tuesday 09 September 2008 18:15, Jelbert Holtrop wrote:
 Would it be possible to run a freenet node in a datacenter, that node  
 will be set up to run with strangers. If I and my friends ( in a dark  
 net) add that node as a friend we are alle connected to freenet and  
 our identity is secure.

Your identity is somewhat secure provided the node in the datacenter is 
secure, and the friends you add are trustworthy. Generally this sort of thing 
doesn't gain much performance unless it's the only way you can run a 24x7 
node; most nodes don't manage output bandwidth over 70K/sec, and many nodes 
don't manage output bandwidth over 40K/sec.

 If I would make such a setup what would be the ammount of data  
 bandwidth (the total amount of send and received data a day/month )  
 needed for such a node? Is it possible to fix the maximum amount of  
 bandwith used? I would not like to receive a bill for going over my  
 quota.

You would need to set the bandwidth limits accordingly. We don't currently 
support a transfer limit/average bandwidth limit, but we do support bandwidth 
limits on both upstream and downstream bandwidth. If you give freenet a 
20K/sec output limit, it shouldn't use much more than that, but make sure you 
include some slack.
 
 Jelbert
 On 9 Sep 2008, at 15:05, Evan Daniel wrote:
 
  On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS
  minihowto, but I need an important question answered.
 
  How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some  
  purpose, add
  reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet  
  Friends,
  but is all on his own?
 
  This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about  
  adding the
  very reference node (that I know already)
 
  Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find
 
  I need it explained in down to earth words?
 
  It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)
 
  Short answer:  you don't.
 
  Longer answer:  the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are
  run by people you trust (for some value of trust).  In order for that
  to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other
  than as a potential person to swap noderefs with.  If you only know
  them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more
  or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either
  case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise.
  So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves
  your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if
  you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your
  friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them.  There simply
  isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers
  mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the
  person you're connecting to.  (However, there's no requirement that
  you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from
  another context work fine too.)  Exactly how much you need to trust
  the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation.
 
  Hope that clears things up...
 
  Evan Daniel
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[freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible

[Jelbert Holtrop]

Would it be possible to run a freenet node in a datacenter, that node  
will be set up to run with strangers. If I and my friends ( in a dark  
net) add that node as a friend we are alle connected to freenet and  
our identity is secure.
If I would make such a setup what would be the ammount of data  
bandwidth (the total amount of send and received data a day/month )  
needed for such a node? Is it possible to fix the maximum amount of  
bandwith used? I would not like to receive a bill for going over my  
quota.

Jelbert
On 9 Sep 2008, at 15:05, Evan Daniel wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69  wrote:
>> I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS
>> minihowto, but I need an important question answered.
>>
>> How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some  
>> purpose, add
>> reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet  
>> Friends,
>> but is all on his own?
>>
>> This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about  
>> adding the
>> very reference node (that I know already)
>>
>> Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find
>>
>> I need it explained in down to earth words?
>>
>> It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)
>
> Short answer:  you don't.
>
> Longer answer:  the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are
> run by people you trust (for some value of trust).  In order for that
> to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other
> than as a potential person to swap noderefs with.  If you only know
> them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more
> or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either
> case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise.
> So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves
> your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if
> you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your
> friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them.  There simply
> isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers
> mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the
> person you're connecting to.  (However, there's no requirement that
> you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from
> another context work fine too.)  Exactly how much you need to trust
> the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation.
>
> Hope that clears things up...
>
> Evan Daniel
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[freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible

[bqz69]

I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS 
minihowto, but I need an important question answered.

How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some purpose, add 
reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet Friends, 
but is all on his own?

This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about adding the 
very reference node (that I know already)

Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find

I need it explained in down to earth words?

It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)

[freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible

[Evan Daniel]

On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69  wrote:
> I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS
> minihowto, but I need an important question answered.
>
> How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some purpose, add
> reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet Friends,
> but is all on his own?
>
> This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about adding the
> very reference node (that I know already)
>
> Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find
>
> I need it explained in down to earth words?
>
> It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)

Short answer:  you don't.

Longer answer:  the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are
run by people you trust (for some value of trust).  In order for that
to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other
than as a potential person to swap noderefs with.  If you only know
them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more
or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either
case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise.
So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves
your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if
you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your
friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them.  There simply
isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers
mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the
person you're connecting to.  (However, there's no requirement that
you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from
another context work fine too.)  Exactly how much you need to trust
the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation.

Hope that clears things up...

Evan Daniel

[freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible

[bqz69]

I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS 
minihowto, but I need an important question answered.

How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some purpose, add 
reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet Friends, 
but is all on his own?

This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about adding the 
very reference node (that I know already)

Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find

I need it explained in down to earth words?

It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)
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Re: [freenet-support] How does a Freenet newbie get Freenet friends to become invisible

[Jelbert Holtrop]

Would it be possible to run a freenet node in a datacenter, that node  
will be set up to run with strangers. If I and my friends ( in a dark  
net) add that node as a friend we are alle connected to freenet and  
our identity is secure.
If I would make such a setup what would be the ammount of data  
bandwidth (the total amount of send and received data a day/month )  
needed for such a node? Is it possible to fix the maximum amount of  
bandwith used? I would not like to receive a bill for going over my  
quota.

Jelbert
On 9 Sep 2008, at 15:05, Evan Daniel wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:22 AM, bqz69 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have almost made a supplementary Freenet, Freemail, JSite -and FMS
 minihowto, but I need an important question answered.

 How does a Freenet newbie, who urgently needs Freenet for some  
 purpose, add
 reference nodes of Friends, when he/she does not have any Freenet  
 Friends,
 but is all on his own?

 This is a question about finding Freenet friends, and not about  
 adding the
 very reference node (that I know already)

 Freenet becomes more and more rurgent, I find

 I need it explained in down to earth words?

 It is a very relevant question I hope. :-)

 Short answer:  you don't.

 Longer answer:  the point of the Friends nodes is that the nodes are
 run by people you trust (for some value of trust).  In order for that
 to be meaningful, you have to know the person in some context other
 than as a potential person to swap noderefs with.  If you only know
 them as someone to swap noderefs with, then it's not particularly more
 or less secure than the automatic Strangers connections -- in either
 case, the people you're connecting to might be Bad Guys in disguise.
 So, in order to add Friends nodes in a manner that actually improves
 your security, you have to find people you know who run freenet -- if
 you don't know any such, then the best thing to do is convince your
 friends to run freenet, and swap noderefs with them.  There simply
 isn't a shortcut here; if you want better security than the Strangers
 mode offers, you need to have some non-freenet-based trust in the
 person you're connecting to.  (However, there's no requirement that
 you know the person in real life -- online friends who you know from
 another context work fine too.)  Exactly how much you need to trust
 the Friends you connect to will depend on your personal situation.

 Hope that clears things up...

 Evan Daniel
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[freenet-support] How to announce a freesite anonymously

[Matthew Toseland]

On Friday 05 September 2008 08:41, bqz69 wrote:
> I have published two small test sites (index.html - activelink.png - an 
> archive file with some images) - using jsite.
> 
> It works fine, when I download them to myself.
> 
> But how do you get freesites onto the freenet indexes anonymously in the 
> spirit of Freenet.
> 
> I had expected a electronic spider to put activelinks onto an index page but 
I 
> read following on top of "Freenet Activelink Index", which surprises me very 
> much:
> 
> "This index is manually maintained and at the moment I will include pretty 
> much any site that has an activelink, except for  sites.." ?
> 
>  - which to me indicates that freesites are not anonymously announced, and 
not 
> free of censorship?
> 
> I am on FMS, but I would  prefer a "spider" to announce freesites without 
any 
> human person interferring?
> 
> Is it possible to get freesites onto any of the indexes without any 
> censorship?

Spiders can only follow links. You need the first link for them to pick your 
site up. The usual way to get the first link is to announce your site on the 
sites board on FMS.
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[freenet-support] How to announce a freesite anonymously

[Volodya]

bqz69 wrote:
> I have published two small test sites (index.html - activelink.png - an 
> archive file with some images) - using jsite.
> 
> It works fine, when I download them to myself.
> 
> But how do you get freesites onto the freenet indexes anonymously in the 
> spirit of Freenet.
> 
> I had expected a electronic spider to put activelinks onto an index page but 
> I 
> read following on top of "Freenet Activelink Index", which surprises me very 
> much:
> 
> "This index is manually maintained and at the moment I will include pretty 
> much any site that has an activelink, except for  sites.." ?
> 
>  - which to me indicates that freesites are not anonymously announced, and 
> not 
> free of censorship?
> 
> I am on FMS, but I would  prefer a "spider" to announce freesites without any 
> human person interferring?
> 
> Is it possible to get freesites onto any of the indexes without any 
> censorship?

Whether or not an index censors its contents depends upon the person who makes 
an index. If you believe that all indexes are censored, start your own, i will 
definitely start using it.

To get your site in some indexes anonymously you might want to create a throw 
away identity on FMS and post to the 'sites' (no quotes) board.

 - Volodya

P.S. Unfortunately i see a lot more pro-censorship folks on 0,7 then use to be 
on 0,5. I don't really know how this happened, but the trend needs to be 
reversed.

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[freenet-support] How to announce a freesite anonymously

[bqz69]

I have published two small test sites (index.html - activelink.png - an 
archive file with some images) - using jsite.

It works fine, when I download them to myself.

But how do you get freesites onto the freenet indexes anonymously in the 
spirit of Freenet.

I had expected a electronic spider to put activelinks onto an index page but I 
read following on top of Freenet Activelink Index, which surprises me very 
much:

This index is manually maintained and at the moment I will include pretty 
much any site that has an activelink, except for  sites.. ?

 - which to me indicates that freesites are not anonymously announced, and not 
free of censorship?

I am on FMS, but I would  prefer a spider to announce freesites without any 
human person interferring?

Is it possible to get freesites onto any of the indexes without any 
censorship?
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Re: [freenet-support] How to announce a freesite anonymously

[Matthew Toseland]

On Friday 05 September 2008 08:41, bqz69 wrote:
 I have published two small test sites (index.html - activelink.png - an 
 archive file with some images) - using jsite.
 
 It works fine, when I download them to myself.
 
 But how do you get freesites onto the freenet indexes anonymously in the 
 spirit of Freenet.
 
 I had expected a electronic spider to put activelinks onto an index page but 
I 
 read following on top of Freenet Activelink Index, which surprises me very 
 much:
 
 This index is manually maintained and at the moment I will include pretty 
 much any site that has an activelink, except for  sites.. ?
 
  - which to me indicates that freesites are not anonymously announced, and 
not 
 free of censorship?
 
 I am on FMS, but I would  prefer a spider to announce freesites without 
any 
 human person interferring?
 
 Is it possible to get freesites onto any of the indexes without any 
 censorship?

Spiders can only follow links. You need the first link for them to pick your 
site up. The usual way to get the first link is to announce your site on the 
sites board on FMS.


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[freenet-support] how to use fms - the freenet message system

[Volodya]

bqz69 wrote:
> On Friday 22 August 2008 21.11.39 bqz69 wrote:
>>> Trust some well established identities' trust list trusts, and pretty
>>> soon you should see messages coming through in FMS, then hopefully you
>>> will start figuring things out. And remember Freenet is a high latency
>>> network, don't expect to get replies (or even see your own messages
>>> appear) instantaneously. give everything time.
>> What is the idea with:
>>
>> Local Peer
>> Message Trust comment
>>
>>  
>> Trust List Trust Comment
> ***
> 
> Here are some screenshots showing how to setup FMS and Thunderbird, made from 
> a dito video:
> 
> http://www.minihowto.org/files/FMSThunderbirdConfiguration.tar.gz
> ***
> 
> But I still do not understand how the peer/trust system works?
> 
> I have now sent 4 different test messages to fms, but only get the ackbot 
> messages on the board, and then the:
> Local Peer - Message Trust comment - Local Peer -  Trust List Trust Comment 
> text insertion boxex below each ackbot message, which I do not know how to 
> use? :-)

Ok, i'm a bit lost as to what your problem is, so i'll run through the web of 
trust idea, hopefully something here will help you.

You can trust an identity by setting that identity's trust to something 
relatively high, and then you will see that identity's messages. You can trust 
the identity's trust list, then you will automatically trust that the identity 
will mark other identities correctly.

Go to the following page:
http://localhost:8080/peertrust.htm
Search for Volodya, you should find the identity like this "VolodyA! V 
Anarhist at sD-X.." that is mine. You can click on the name and see who trusts 
me 
(that your fms knows of) and who i trust. Let's say you are satisfied that i am 
not an evil person and do not mark somebody low because i don't like them nor 
do 
i mark spammers high. You can set my trust list trust to something high 
(numbers 
go from 0 (min) to 100 (max)). Now i don't really maintain my identity's trust 
list trust that much so i wouldn't suggest just trusting me.

Some identities that i would recommend that you set high trust list trust (on 
http://localhost:8080/peertrust.htm page) are:
Luke771 at mdXK
Liberty or Death at QZlY
nAxaLiTe at 4KbK
bback at vH4r

You do that by searching for their names, and then typing the number in the 
column that says 'Local trust list trust' (and possibly comment) and pressing 
'Update Trust'.

After you will start seeing messages appear, you probably should move asking 
questions to FMS, more people will help you there. (fms board is good for those 
questions).

  - Volodya

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[freenet-support] how to use fms - the freenet message system

[Volodya]

bqz69 wrote:
>> Trust some well established identities' trust list trusts, and pretty soon
>> you should see messages coming through in FMS, then hopefully you will
>> start figuring things out. And remember Freenet is a high latency network,
>> don't expect to get replies (or even see your own messages appear)
>> instantaneously. give everything time.
> 
> What is the idea with:
> 
> Local Peer
> Message Trust comment
> 
> Local Peer
> Trust List Trust Comment
> 
> Insertion boxes and the "Set" button, on the message board?

The comments are just something for you (and for others if you publish you 
list) 
to remember why you have set somebody the way you did.

   - Volodya

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Re: [freenet-support] how to use fms - the freenet message system

[Volodya]

bqz69 wrote:
 Trust some well established identities' trust list trusts, and pretty soon
 you should see messages coming through in FMS, then hopefully you will
 start figuring things out. And remember Freenet is a high latency network,
 don't expect to get replies (or even see your own messages appear)
 instantaneously. give everything time.
 
 What is the idea with:
 
 Local Peer
 Message Trust comment
 
 Local Peer
 Trust List Trust Comment
 
 Insertion boxes and the Set button, on the message board?

The comments are just something for you (and for others if you publish you 
list) 
to remember why you have set somebody the way you did.

   - Volodya

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[freenet-support] how to use fms - the freenet message system

[bqz69]

On Friday 22 August 2008 21.11.39 bqz69 wrote:
> > Trust some well established identities' trust list trusts, and pretty
> > soon you should see messages coming through in FMS, then hopefully you
> > will start figuring things out. And remember Freenet is a high latency
> > network, don't expect to get replies (or even see your own messages
> > appear) instantaneously. give everything time.
>
> What is the idea with:
>
> Local Peer
> Message Trust comment
>
>  
> Trust List Trust Comment
***

Here are some screenshots showing how to setup FMS and Thunderbird, made from 
a dito video:

http://www.minihowto.org/files/FMSThunderbirdConfiguration.tar.gz
***

But I still do not understand how the peer/trust system works?

I have now sent 4 different test messages to fms, but only get the ackbot 
messages on the board, and then the:
Local Peer - Message Trust comment - Local Peer -  Trust List Trust Comment 
text insertion boxex below each ackbot message, which I do not know how to 
use? :-)

Re: [freenet-support] how to use fms - the freenet message system

[bqz69]

On Friday 22 August 2008 21.11.39 bqz69 wrote:
  Trust some well established identities' trust list trusts, and pretty
  soon you should see messages coming through in FMS, then hopefully you
  will start figuring things out. And remember Freenet is a high latency
  network, don't expect to get replies (or even see your own messages
  appear) instantaneously. give everything time.

 What is the idea with:

 Local Peer
 Message Trust comment

  
 Trust List Trust Comment
***

Here are some screenshots showing how to setup FMS and Thunderbird, made from 
a dito video:

http://www.minihowto.org/files/FMSThunderbirdConfiguration.tar.gz
***

But I still do not understand how the peer/trust system works?

I have now sent 4 different test messages to fms, but only get the ackbot 
messages on the board, and then the:
Local Peer - Message Trust comment - Local Peer -  Trust List Trust Comment 
text insertion boxex below each ackbot message, which I do not know how to 
use? :-)

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[bqz69]

>
> Trust some well established identities' trust list trusts, and pretty soon
> you should see messages coming through in FMS, then hopefully you will
> start figuring things out. And remember Freenet is a high latency network,
> don't expect to get replies (or even see your own messages appear)
> instantaneously. give everything time.

What is the idea with:

Local Peer
Message Trust comment

Local Peer
Trust List Trust Comment

Insertion boxes and the "Set" button, on the message board?

[freenet-support] how to use fms - the freenet message system

[Volodya]

> I have sent a message to the "test" board, but I only see a message from some 
> eliza*, which says the ackbot has received my message, but my message is 
> not on the board - what am I supposed to do to get my real message on the 
> board (I cannot understand the peer trust/acknowledge thing)?  :-)

If Eliza has replied that means that technically everything has worked. Solve a 
few captchas (as you probably already did) and wait, after a while on the FMS 
web interfact your identity should say 'Yes' in the announced column, that 
means 
that at least one person whose trust list trust you trust trusts you.

To put simply WoT works like this:
You can trust people if you trust that they will not send you spam messages.
You can trust people's trust lists (trust list trust) if you believe that they 
will mark down spammers, but will not mark down those who you don't consider 
spammers.

There's really no way to make the system simpler, and personally i don't like 
it 
(but that's another story).

Trust some well established identities' trust list trusts, and pretty soon you 
should see messages coming through in FMS, then hopefully you will start 
figuring things out. And remember Freenet is a high latency network, don't 
expect to get replies (or even see your own messages appear) instantaneously. 
give everything time.

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Re: [freenet-support] how to use fms - the freenet message system

[Volodya]

 I have sent a message to the test board, but I only see a message from some 
 eliza*, which says the ackbot has received my message, but my message is 
 not on the board - what am I supposed to do to get my real message on the 
 board (I cannot understand the peer trust/acknowledge thing)?  :-)

If Eliza has replied that means that technically everything has worked. Solve a 
few captchas (as you probably already did) and wait, after a while on the FMS 
web interfact your identity should say 'Yes' in the announced column, that 
means 
that at least one person whose trust list trust you trust trusts you.

To put simply WoT works like this:
You can trust people if you trust that they will not send you spam messages.
You can trust people's trust lists (trust list trust) if you believe that they 
will mark down spammers, but will not mark down those who you don't consider 
spammers.

There's really no way to make the system simpler, and personally i don't like 
it 
(but that's another story).

Trust some well established identities' trust list trusts, and pretty soon you 
should see messages coming through in FMS, then hopefully you will start 
figuring things out. And remember Freenet is a high latency network, don't 
expect to get replies (or even see your own messages appear) instantaneously. 
give everything time.

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[bqz69]

 Trust some well established identities' trust list trusts, and pretty soon
 you should see messages coming through in FMS, then hopefully you will
 start figuring things out. And remember Freenet is a high latency network,
 don't expect to get replies (or even see your own messages appear)
 instantaneously. give everything time.

What is the idea with:

Local Peer
Message Trust comment

Local Peer
Trust List Trust Comment

Insertion boxes and the Set button, on the message board?
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[freenet-support] how to use fms - the freenet message system

[bqz69]

I have installed fms, and it is running.

I also have freemail -and thunderbird running, and can receive -and send 
freemail messages.

I am reading the fms page "http://localhost:8080/;, but I need a better 
overview, because I am an fms newbie?

How do I use fms to read fms boards - what setup do I have to do?

How do I send messages to a fms board - what setup do I have to do, and how do 
I send the message?

I am asking my question like this, so other fms newbies can also learn :-)

Thanks in advance.

[freenet-support] how to install freemail

[bqz69]

On Thursday 21 August 2008 15.30.44 bqz69 wrote:
> On Thursday 21 August 2008 12.14.46 Volodya wrote:
> > > I then went to the "visit" page, but I did not insert anything in the
> > > "Domain" line as I do not know what to insert?
> >
> > Anything you want. For example if you want for your mail to be
> > User at TheCoolDomain.freemail put 'TheCoolDomain' there.
> >
> > >> For more help about Freemail and other Freenet applications you might
> > >> want to visit
> > >> http://localhost:/freenet:USK at ugb~uuscsidMI-Ze8laZe~o3BUIb3S50i25R
> > >>Iw DH9 9M,9T20t3xoG-dQfMO94LGOl9AxRTkaz~TykFY-voqaTQI,AQACAAE/FAFS/23/
> > >> (not maintained by me).
> > >
> > > Did not work, but I have the Freemail site already from
> > > the "http://127.0.0.1:/; page.
> >
> > Strange. 'localhost' should be the same thing as '127.0.0.1'.
>
> I just changed "localhost" to "127.0.0.1" to try to solve my problem - have
> now changed back to "localhost".
>
> I have now gotten my short email address ending on .freemail, so that looks
> good.
>
> But when I try to "Get Mail" I get an Alert "Failed to connect to server
> localhost".
> When i try to send I also get the Alert "Failed to connect to server
> localhost".
>
> My 3 ports settings are:
> Port 3143 Default 143
> Port 1119 Default 119
> Port 3025 Default 25
> I have tried to remove the 143, 119 and 25 as Defaults, but do not know how
> to do that - maybe I should just leave it as is?
***
I fixed my problem myself:
I removed the imap settings and then added the account again, and now it 
works - sorry, probably because I have changed the domain name. :-)




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[freenet-support] how to install freemail

[bqz69]

On Thursday 21 August 2008 12.14.46 Volodya wrote:
> > I then went to the "visit" page, but I did not insert anything in the
> > "Domain" line as I do not know what to insert?
>
> Anything you want. For example if you want for your mail to be
> User at TheCoolDomain.freemail put 'TheCoolDomain' there.
>
> >> For more help about Freemail and other Freenet applications you might
> >> want to visit
> >> http://localhost:/freenet:USK at ugb~uuscsidMI-Ze8laZe~o3BUIb3S50i25RIw
> >>DH9 9M,9T20t3xoG-dQfMO94LGOl9AxRTkaz~TykFY-voqaTQI,AQACAAE/FAFS/23/ (not
> >> maintained by me).
> >
> > Did not work, but I have the Freemail site already from
> > the "http://127.0.0.1:/; page.
>
> Strange. 'localhost' should be the same thing as '127.0.0.1'.

I just changed "localhost" to "127.0.0.1" to try to solve my problem - have 
now changed back to "localhost".

I have now gotten my short email address ending on .freemail, so that looks 
good.

But when I try to "Get Mail" I get an Alert "Failed to connect to server 
localhost".
When i try to send I also get the Alert "Failed to connect to server 
localhost".

My 3 ports settings are:
Port 3143 Default 143
Port 1119 Default 119
Port 3025 Default 25
I have tried to remove the 143, 119 and 25 as Defaults, but do not know how to 
do that - maybe I should just leave it as is?

[freenet-support] how to install freemail

[Volodya]

> I then went to the "visit" page, but I did not insert anything in the 
> "Domain" 
> line as I do not know what to insert?

Anything you want. For example if you want for your mail to be 
User at TheCoolDomain.freemail put 'TheCoolDomain' there.

>> For more help about Freemail and other Freenet applications you might want
>> to visit
>> http://localhost:/freenet:USK at 
>> ugb~uuscsidMI-Ze8laZe~o3BUIb3S50i25RIwDH9
>> 9M,9T20t3xoG-dQfMO94LGOl9AxRTkaz~TykFY-voqaTQI,AQACAAE/FAFS/23/ (not
>> maintained by me).
> Did not work, but I have the Freemail site already from 
> the "http://127.0.0.1:/; page.

Strange. 'localhost' should be the same thing as '127.0.0.1'.

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