Website and email stopped working April 22
I use t...@roundhousesouth.net and my web address is http://www.roundhousesouth.net My last sent or received email was April 22 and nothing has worked since then. The website does not come up either. I am not very computer savvy and reading up on some things to update Seamonkey look difficult for me to do. Just wondering if there is something simple that can be done and what exactly happened to make it all stop working. Thank you,Tony Rotunda ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Triaging SeaMonkey Bugs
If you are interested in helping to solve SeaMonkey bugs, an effort has been made recently to document how to do so, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/QA/Triage_HowTo -- and about related questions, see the infobox near top right of that page. Best regards, Tony. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Meanwhile, on the "good news" part of the news...
On 26/11/14 00:28, MCBastos wrote: Thunderbird development (which reflects on Seamonkey), which has been sort of stalled for a while, seems to be reenergized. Look at this: https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2014/11/thunderbird-reorganizes-at-2014-toronto-summit/ Among other things, there's now a roadmap for Thunderbird 38 (due next year): https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/Thunderbird38 which includes several worthy goals, such as support for large mailboxes, finalizing maildir, support for OAuth in Gmail and such. I expect that the Seamonkey devs will keep an eye on developments there so they can bring some of these things to our side. Thanks for the thumbs-up. Pure "backend" fixes and enhancements will appear automagically on SeaMonkey since they are in shared sources. For frontend bugfixes it isn't as obvious: sometimes the Thunderbird guys are kind enough to fix the SeaMonkey side too; other times SeaMonkey developers will have to bring patches similar to Thunderbird's into their own frontend code. Enhancements and preferences defaults have to be ported (or not) by SeaMonkey developers since the policy decisions may be different. Best regards, Tony. -- "Honesty is the best policy, but insanity is a better defense" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Trunk
On 15/11/14 20:21, EE wrote: MCBastos wrote: On 14/11/2014 22:34, Ruediger Lahl wrote: Hallo SeaMonkey-Builders In June, the Tinderbox-SeaMonkey-Trunk-Builds went offline. Is their any chance, to get them back online in the nearer feature? That's probably because Tinderbox has been retired by Mozilla and replaced by more modern tools. I'm not really familiar with all the ins and outs of the build process, but there should be another way to get trunk builds. You can use nightlies. They still have trunk builds, as well as branch builds. Hm, yes, except for Windows. SeaMonkey 2.33a1 nightlies are published every 24 hours for Linux32, Linux64 and Mac-Universal; but the OP, alas for him, is on Windows, and the latest Windows trunk builds are 2.30a1 builds dated June 13. See https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1094097 for details of the bustage and the progress of the fix. Best regards, Tony. -- Now that you've read Fortune's diet truths, you'll be prepared the next time some housewife or boutique-owner-turned-diet-expert appears on TV to plug her latest book. And, if you still feel a twinge of guilt for eating coffee cake while listening to her exhortations, ask yourself the following questions: (1) Do I dare trust a person who actually considers alfalfa sprouts a food? (2) Was the author's sole motive in writing this book to get rich exploiting the forlorn hopes of chubby people like me? (3) Would a longer life be worthwhile if it had to be lived as prescribed ... without French-fried onion rings, pizza with double cheese, or the occasional Mai-Tai? (Remember, living right doesn't really make you live longer, it just *seems* like longer.) That, and another piece of coffee cake, should do the trick. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
How To Triage SeaMonkey Bugs
The triageing procedure is in the process of being documented from a SeaMonkey viewpoint. The task is not yet finished, but it can be followed here: - Bug report: * https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=Sm_tri_HowTo * This bug tracks the progress of this documentation project. - WIP doc page: * https://wiki.mozilla.org/User:Tonymec/Triage_HowTo * This is of course a temporary location. The final location is not yet firmly decided. The code may have to be rewritten if that final location doesn't use Wikimedia software. Best regards, Tony. -- There are two problems with a major hangover. You feel like you are going to die and you're afraid that you won't. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey at the Mozilla Summit...
On 07/09/13 08:19, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: Hey Everyone! So, I will be in brussles as of Oct 2, planning to be a tourist for a bit. And since most of you will be arriving on Oct 3 sometime, I'm hoping to gather us all for dinner outside of the official Summit event for food, a few drinks, and chat! (I'm going to `try` and cover the cost of this, but I can't promise just yet) Please reply to me directly if you are going to brussles for the summit and would like to attend this gathering of SeaMonkey people. Also welcome is any of you who are going to be in Brussles on the 3rd. ~Justin Wood (Callek) Brussels is my hometown. I'll be there _during_ the Summit, even tough due to some mixup I won't (alas) participate _in_ the Summit. As said on IRC (but I'm repeating it here to leave a somewhat more permanent record) I suggest to avoid the tourist traps near Central Station, Main Square, Butchers' Street (and your hotel), and to go to the other (West) side of the North-South thoroughfare (which is Boulevard Anspach etc.). That's Chinatown where IMHO you get good to great cooking at quite moderate prices. (But of course not mussles & fries, which IMHO are overrated anyway.) And, there _is_ a MacDonald's on the border of that Chinatown (just in front of the Stock Exchange) but that's specifically _not_ the kind of joint I had in mind. ;-) You said on IRC «Brussels» «late afternoon early evening». That's rather vague. Shall we decide some more precise time and place where we'll _meet_ before we walk to wherever it'll be that we have _dinner_? I suggest the lobby of the Royal Windsor, at, hm. 6pm? 7pm? other? Other ideas welcome, of course. Best regards, Tony. -- Wise Men Still Seek Him...Apparently, He's lost. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Google Toolbar
George Carden wrote: Tony Higgins wrote: Jay Garcia wrote: On 01.07.2013 19:35, Tony Higgins wrote: --- Original Message --- I had a Google search toolbar in SeaMonkey on my computer with Windows XP. It crashed a couple of months ago and I was never able to resurrect it. I now have Windows 7 on the same computer. But I have not been able to add the Google toolbar. When I try I get a message saying that it is not compatible with SeaMonkey. I've tried to add the one for SeaMonkey. But it won't install. Can someone point me to one that will? Thanks, Tony Higgins Google Toolbar is no longer available for FF 5 and up as well as Seamonkey because Firefox/Seamonkey users have most of the features built-in and have alternatives. . I think the Google Toolbar I had was a "simulated" one called "Googlebar." I know I can use the URL bar but the searchbar was handy and I miss it. Thanks, Tony I have a Googlebar that's worked since about 2010 in the latest SeaMonkeys. I can't for the life of me remember where I got it, but, I have it and will be happy to email to anyone interested. It is: googlebar-0.9.20.02.xpi -George By searching on googlebar-0.9.20.02.xpi I found an entry in a forum at mozdev.org/pipermail/googlebar/2010-January/001079.html. It provided a link to the Googlebar you mention at the top. In the body it also provided a link to experimental build 0.9.15.13. I was able to install it and it looks like the one I used to have. But it doesn't work. It returns an "Address not found" page no matter what you search on. It has a drop down menu that works but the search button does not. I then tried to uninstall it and found that I cannot do so. So I tried to install the version 0.9.20.02.xpi and was informed that it is not compatible with SM 2.17.1. Tony ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Google Toolbar
Jay Garcia wrote: On 01.07.2013 19:35, Tony Higgins wrote: --- Original Message --- I had a Google search toolbar in SeaMonkey on my computer with Windows XP. It crashed a couple of months ago and I was never able to resurrect it. I now have Windows 7 on the same computer. But I have not been able to add the Google toolbar. When I try I get a message saying that it is not compatible with SeaMonkey. I've tried to add the one for SeaMonkey. But it won't install. Can someone point me to one that will? Thanks, Tony Higgins Google Toolbar is no longer available for FF 5 and up as well as Seamonkey because Firefox/Seamonkey users have most of the features built-in and have alternatives. . I think the Google Toolbar I had was a "simulated" one called "Googlebar." I know I can use the URL bar but the searchbar was handy and I miss it. Thanks, Tony ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Google Toolbar
I had a Google search toolbar in SeaMonkey on my computer with Windows XP. It crashed a couple of months ago and I was never able to resurrect it. I now have Windows 7 on the same computer. But I have not been able to add the Google toolbar. When I try I get a message saying that it is not compatible with SeaMonkey. I've tried to add the one for SeaMonkey. But it won't install. Can someone point me to one that will? Thanks, Tony Higgins ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Status on Next Version?
On 30/05/13 02:45, David E. Ross wrote: Would it be possible to post a message at least weekly in mozilla.support.seamonkey regarding the current status of efforts to resume development of SeaMonkey versions? It is been over a week since I have seen anything about your hardware failure. Followup-to set to mozilla.support.seamonkey. You may (if you want) lurk in on SeaMonkey Status Meetings, fortnightly on #seamonkey (or, with ChatZilla, irc://moznet/seamonkey ) on a Tuesday at 14:00 Continental Europe time (CET in winter, CEST in summer). In North-hemisphere summer, 12:00 UTC, 5am Mozilla time, etc. The latest one (day before yesterday) ended early, after noting that there was nothing new to report. Minutes of past meetings are available, see https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey:StatusMeetings Best regards, Tony. -- Smoking is one of the leading causes of statistics. -- Fletcher Knebel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
old postings
I just got a bunch of old postings (several days old and more) from the list. Anyone else see this? Annoying; need to slog through my inbox to purge all of this junk :-/ -- Tony Alfrey tonyalf...@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
can't receive AIM mail in Sea Monkey email
A couple of months ago I started experiencing trouble getting email through my AIM mail account. It is properly set up and was working fine. But now I get this message: The current operation on 'Inbox' did not succeed. The mail server for account responded: parse error: zero-length content. Today when I tried it said my password was no good. I couldn't enter a new one without going to AIM's website. After satisfying all their questions I changed it. But I still get the above message. Any ideas on fixing this? Thanks, Tony ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: odd list behavior
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Tony Alfrey wrote: Can someone explain why I seem to all of a sudden getting a bunch of old posts to the seamonkey support list? Did you change your view settings? If I want to, I can display posts going back to 2006, but I normally hide them by showing only threads with unread posts. I changed nothing. And coincidentally, in this same block of posts, I received my own post that I submitted a week ago when I joined the list. -- Tony Alfrey tonyalf...@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
odd list behavior
Can someone explain why I seem to all of a sudden getting a bunch of old posts to the seamonkey support list? -- Tony Alfrey tonyalf...@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
latest version slow
Hello; Seamonkey 2.16 Mac OS X 10.6.8 I recently upgraded Seamonkey. Can't remember which previous version I had but I had not upgraded in quite awhile. Generl characteristics of this version: Slow in loading pages that are even on my own machine. Very often hangs when attempting to quit (force-quit needed). Composer, which was my main reason for using Seamonkey, is incredibly slow to load an existing page. Can I go backwards a few versions without breaking anything? Thanks -- Tony Alfrey tonyalf...@earthlink.net "I'd Rather Be Sailing" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Mail doesn't work
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Can't send mail
A few days ago I became aware that I can't send mail through SeaMonkey. Comcast is my provider. I won't explain everything as I wrote a full explanation only to have SeaMonkey crash and destroy the message. I have tried 465 and 587 as outgoing ports but still no luck. Any ideas? Thanks, Tony ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM hanging
On 05/11/12 03:27, Ed Mullen wrote: Okay. I /may/ have sorted this out. I have 7 email accounts, two news servers, and 10 newsgroups in my SM profile. After pondering this, I staggered when each checked for new messages. That is, by example: email1: every 3 minutes email2: every 5 minutes email3: every 7 minutes ... etc. Instead of having them all check every three minutes. This seems to have stopped the horrible problem of SM hannging. I'm just guesing that having them all gear up and check the server at the same time was the problem. Quite possibly: since all accounts are usually checked at mail startup, if you check them all at a common frequency SeaMonkey will become very busy at that frequency, with a risk of periodic hangs. Staggering the server polls makes the mailer less busy more often: in your example, at 3, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 14, 15*, 18, 20, 21*, 24, 25, 27, 28, 30*… minutes after startup; it's only every 105 minutes (1 h 45 min; the least common multiple of 3, 5 and 7) that all three of these servers will again be polled together. FYI: In these email accounts there are three different mail servers. In the news groups there are two servers involved. Not sure if this is the answer but if it can help the others who seem to have had the same issue ... But, I now longer seem to have the issues I have before, e.g. typing for 20 seconds with nothing appearing and having the keyboard buffered etc. only to appear later. Good to know your problem was solved — and that you thought of telling others about it. Best regards, Tony. -- Nothing is illegal if one hundred businessmen decide to do it. -- Andrew Young ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: fonts in 2.6.1
On 31/12/11 21:16, Pat Connors wrote: I just downloaded 2.6.1 and as usual need to adjust font sizes in the email program. I have all done except for when I answer an email and the font is very small and hard to read. Thanks in advance for your help. In "Edit → Preferences → Appearance → Fonts" you can set a minimum font size for each language. Also, these preferences ought to persist from one version to the next (they are in your profile, reinstalling the application shouldn't change that) so I don't understand your "as usual". Best regards, Tony. -- GOD: That is your purpose Arthur ... the Quest for the Holy Grail ... "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" PYTHON (MONTY) PICTURES LTD ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spoofing firefox!
On 23/12/11 11:39, Dustbin wrote: Edmund wrote: Dustbin wrote: It should not be necessary to spoof firefox. If people wrote their code to work to TCP/IP standard protocols SM would work. Do you mean putting FireFox in the UA string? If so, that has (AFAIU) nothing to do with the TCP/IP standard protocols, but the way the website detects browsers and adapts the website to the user depending on the UA. Since (AFAIK) most sites cater to IE, Chrome and Firefox, they care only about those browsers. Even though SeaMonkey also uses the same engine as FireFox, our users don't get the same treatment as FireFox users. If the websites detect the engine instead of the browser string, it would make it simple and we can just use SeaMonkey in the UA. If I've erred.. any corrections appreciated. It is not that you have erred it is that they should not be abusing the system's facilities to engineer code for a limited number of browsers. The code should work equally on all browsers. That is the point of standards. Writing code with a preference for one or two browsers is wrong. It is notable that Netscape/Mozilla/SeaMonkey has been around since the dawn of HTTP and, therefore, is one of the earliest browsers; yet coders are favouring far more recent browsers such as FireFox and Chrome. [...] You are right, of course: sites, and the people who write them, should be sniffing for specific features rather than for specific versions of specific browsers. We at SeaMonkey tried for years to educate them to do just that — there is still an open meta bug about these very attempts, at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=334967 — but it's a losing battle. When Fennec and Camino added a Firefox version to their UA strings, SeaMonkey followed suit, and between one day and the next 90% of all broken sites started working again with our (new) default UA setting. The advantage over overriding the UA string by means of the UA Switcher (or by setting general.useragent.override) is that as we update from one browser version to the next, the default UA string reflects the new version: for instance, before this "Advertise compatibility" existed, I had set a User Agent Switcher setting for the sites which required it; it is still there in my UA Switcher choices, but of course it hasn't been updated, and this is what it says: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.6pre) Gecko/20091125 SeaMonkey/2.0.1pre, a sibling of Firefox/3.5 as compared with the default setting of my current SeaMonkey build, viz. Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:12.0a1) Gecko/20111226 Firefox/12.0a1 SeaMonkey/2.9a1 As you can see, the latter faithfully reflects the characteristics of my present build (and the "Firefox/12.0a1" part ought to be unnecessary, it can be reconstructed from the presence of "Gecko/" and of "rv:12.0a1", but it says to moronic sites which don't know any Gecko browser other than Firefox that anything that Firefox 12.0a1 can browse, so can I), while the former is hopelessly out of date, reflecting a build which is not supported anymore, and a hardware platform which isn't anymore what I'm using. BTW, AFAIK there are no real "standards" about the UA string, any standards about it are de-facto: compare with Konqueror: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/533.3 (KHTML, like Gecko) konqueror/4.7.2 Safari/533.3 which BTW manages to "spoof" both Gecko and Safari, and maybe (I'm less sure) Google Chrome; or with Lynx: Lynx/2.8.7rel.2 libwww-FM/2.14 SSL-MM/1.4.1 OpenSSL/1.0.0e which didn't even add the "Mozilla/?.? (" string at the start, which IE added long ago in order to spoof Netscape, which was still, at that time, the market leader. Best regards, Tony. -- Join the march to save individuality! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spoofing firefox!
On 24/12/11 13:34, Desiree wrote: "Dustbin" wrote in message news:l5qdnwyww4jcagntnz2dnuvz_vwdn...@mozilla.org... Robert Kaiser wrote: Dustbin schrieb: It should not be necessary to spoof firefox. You're right that it should not, but in many cases it unfortunately is. You can turn it off in preferences, though - but be prepared to encounter broken websites then. I have left it on - and some sites that usually give warnings do not do so now. I use the extension User Agent Switcher and spoof all the time. I like the extension so much (also use it on Fx and have it spoof as IE or Chrome - there are long lists of browser versions you can download and then choose from) that I have postponed upgrading SM to 2.6. When I went to upgrade I was informed that User Agent Switcher was incompatible with 2.6. So, I did not upgrade (although MR Tech Toolkit works fine even though SM says it doesn't). I could use MR Tech to override any incompatibilities with User Agent Switcher but I intensely dislike all the rush-rush, update, update anyway so I will just wait for a new version of User Agent Switcher before updating SM. User Agent Switcher works fine, even with SeaMonkey 2.9a1, I used it a few minutes ago. It officially supports up to SeaMonkey 2.5.*, but with the new "Default to Compatible" feature (turned on by default in the latest nightlies) it is not even listed as incompatible. To use it with Sm 2.6, either install the Add-on Compatibility Reporter extension, or set extensions.checkCompatibility.2.6 to false in about:config, but beware that by doing that you take up the responsability of disabling misbehaving extensions manually. However, with the "Advertise Firefox compatibility" feature, there are much fewer sites which require user-agent spoofing. Best regards, Tony. -- "California is proud to be the home of the freeway." -- Ronald Reagan ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Mint 12 / SM 2.6.1] Download Manager - "Open Containing Folder" starts PDF viewer
On 28/12/11 00:12, Rob Lindauer wrote: When I download a file and then attempt to "open containing folder" (either by right clicking the downloaded file name, or from the File menu option), SM attempts to start the pdf document viewer (evince). I get this same behavior no matter what the file type of the downloaded file is (pdf, zip, whatever). I've looked at the list of helper applications, which look OK (e.g., "always ask" for pdf documents) Any idea what I've done / how to fix / what setting to check? Thanks, RL - Is this the built-in download manager or the Jökulsárlón Download Manager extension? https://addons.mozilla.org/addon/download-manager/ - If you use the other one (by installing the extension if not installed, enabling it if disabled, or disabling if enabled), is the result better? Best regards, Tony. -- Men's skin is different from women's skin. It is usually bigger, and it has more snakes tattooed on it. Also, if you examine a woman's skin very closely, inch by inch, starting at her shapely ankles, then gently tracing the slender curve of her calves, then moving up to her ... [EDITOR'S NOTE: To make room for news articles about important world events such as agriculture, we're going to delete the next few square feet of the woman's skin. Thank you.] ... until finally the two of you are lying there, spent, smoking your cigarettes, and suddenly it hits you: Human skin is actually made up of billions of tiny units of protoplasm, called "cells"! And what is even more interesting, the ones on the outside are all dying! This is a fact. Your skin is like an aggressive modern corporation, where the older veteran cells, who have finally worked their way to the top and obtained offices with nice views, are constantly being shoved out the window head first, without so much as a pension plan, by younger hotshot cells moving up from below. -- Dave Barry, "Saving Face" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Which of these security flaws are present in SM 2.6.1
On 27/12/11 04:09, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: In their 12/22/2011 security bulletin, @RISK: The Consensus Security Vulnerability Alert Week 52 2011 SANS reports the following vulnerabilities in Mozilla FF & TB releases. Since SM code is so closely related to the Moz. FF & TB codes, which, if any, of these vulnerabilities are present in SM 2.6.1 and when are they due to be removed? * (3) HIGH: Mozilla Firefox Multiple Security Vulnerabilities Affected: Firefox 8.x [...] SeaMonkey 2.6.1 is based on the same backend code as Firefox 9.0.1. They both are emergency security releases for late-noticed (or late-fixed) flaws common to Sm 2.6(.0) and Fx 9.0(.0). Firefox 8 is the previous release, six weeks older, and the corresponding SeaMonkey release is 2.5. You might be interested by the page http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/seamonkey.html — I found it quite easily by following links (starting with the "Release Notes" link) from the SeaMonkey front page, http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ Best regards, Tony. -- "Nice boy, but about as sharp as a sack of wet mice." -- Foghorn Leghorn ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tricking sites into thinking SeaMonkey is Firefox
On 03/12/11 12:08, Desiree wrote: [...] You need either User Agent Switcher extension but it only works on Fx [...] User Agent Switcher 0.7.3, available at AMO, advertises compatibility with not only Firefox 1.0 to 10.* but also SeaMonkey 1.0 to 2.5.*. It ought to work also on later versions if you override compatibility checking, either by means of the Add-on Compatibility Reporter extension, or by setting the appropriate version-dependent preference in about:config. See http://kb.mozillazine.org/Extensions.checkCompatibility Best regards, Tony. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 230. You spend your Friday nights typing away at your keyboard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: can i have both sm and firefox?
On 11/11/11 18:31, Jim wrote: WLS (CompTIA A+ Certified - Retired) wrote: Jim wrote: Houston -- I have a problem -- I am a U.S. government employee. To view our pay statements and make changes, we have to use the site www.employeeexpress.gov. I have SM and IE 9.0 on my PC. Employee Express will work with neither of these (sigh). It requires Firefox or IE 7.0 or 8.0. Can I install FF, just for the purpose of accessing this site, and still keep SM? If so, how do I do that? I can't go back to IE 8.0. I wish I never put IE 9.0 on my PC -- I hate it. TIA -- Do you have Advertise Firefox compatibility checked in your Advanced > HTTP Networking preferences? If not check it, and see if that helps. You can install Firefox, but shouldn't need to. Does the site load, or tell you your browser is not supported? I can load the site with SeaMonkey 2.5. Not a government employee so can't try logging in. I tried it, and it works now. They must have changed the site recently (or maybe SM added that compatibility check box on a recent update.) When I used to go to the site, it had a big red X on the browser, saying I needed FF or IE & or 8. Guess I don't have a problem. Thanks for a quick response. That "Advertise Firefox compatibility" setting was added just because there are too many sites which check for Firefox "the wrong way", by looking for the string "Firefox/" in the user-agent string, rather than for "Gecko/" or, better, by checking whether the needed JavaScript methods are defined. Now that you checked that box (which is the factory default), your browser advertises itself to the site as "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110928 Firefox/7.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.4.1" which is the factory default value for a SeaMonkey 2.4.1 32-bit executable running on 64-bit Windows; but most of those badly written sites will accept it as Firefox 7.0.1, and indeed Firefox 7.0.1 and SeaMonkey 2.4.1 share the same version of the Gecko rendering engine, so anything that the one can do, the other can do the same way. Best regards, Tony. -- If God had not given us sticky tape, it would have been necessary to invent it. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What can I expect with upgrade to Version 2.3.3
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 04/10/2011 22:58, Tony Higgins told the world: I'm currently using SeaMonkey 2.0.14. What can I expect with upgrading to Version 2.3.3? I get constant reminders to upgrade. Well, THE major feature change (which happened in 2.1) is the new "Places" bookmarks system (the same one that Firefox uses since version 3). This allows, among other things, full syncing of your bookmarks with other computers (and even phones) through Firefox Sync. There were also a few changes to the user interface -- new Add-Ons Manager and new Data Manager, for instance -- but those shouldn't directly impact your browsing. You get new Gecko versions, the same ones current Firefox versions are using, so page rendering is the same (and as fast as) new Firefox. For instance, Seamonkey (and Firefox) now pass the ACID 3 rendering test, Javascript is getting faster every version, and SM 2.4/FF 7 had some work done to use less memory. Oh, and also there's a built-in feature to send websites an user-agent string advertising Firefox compatibility. This means that most sites now treat Seamonkey as Firefox, instead of "generic unknown brand X browser". Although I found that sometimes it's better to turn off that feature. When I upgraded to the current version my profiles were copied to another location which I had difficulty locating and then couldn't get to work and had to re-establish all of my 5 email accounts using the old location. It seems to me I also had trouble with my bookmarks. Will this happen again? Is there an upgrade guide with step-by-step instructions? No, if you are already using SM 2.0.x, the upgrade can be done by simply installing the new version on top of the old (that is, by letting the installer use the defaults). There are only minor changes to the profile, not needing a full conversion like what happened in the 1.1 -> 2.0 migration. So, no special procedures needed, at least in theory. Still, as has been pointed out, sometimes shit DOES happen, so it's a good idea to back up your profile beforehand. Also, if by some reason you decide to go back to the old version, it's best to have a non-upgraded profile to go back too. Known issues with the upgrade: - If you go directly from 2.0.x to 2.2 or higher, your downloads history is not migrated. Most users don't care about it, though (I don't, in fact I clear my downloads history regularly). If you are one of the few that DO care, you should download Seamonkey 2.1 and upgrade to it before doing the final upgrade to the current version. Otherwise, just go ahead with the latest version (manual or auto-update). - SOMETIMES the bookmarks are not converted correctly. But in most cases, the problems can be fixed manually with no special tools. The two most reported problems I have seen are: 1- Bookmarks are not converted at all (when you open the Bookmarks manager, you find it empty). Solution: from Bookmarks Manager, open Tools, Import HTML and import your bookmarks.html file. 2- Bookmarks are imported (you see plenty of your old bookmarks inside the Bookmarks Manager) but your Bookmarks toolbar is empty. Solution: look around in the Manager -- you will probably find a folder with all your old Toolbar bookmarks (I forget what it's called). Just move the bookmarks to the "Bookmarks Toolbar" folder. - Another frequent source of complaints regards add-ons (extensions) that no longer work. In most cases, the cause of this is that the add-on author did not update the compatibility version list of the add-on -- that is, the add-on CLAIMS it is not compatible with the new version, although in fact it works fine. The easy workaround for this problem is to install the Add-On Compatibility Reporter add-on, which disables add-on compatibility checking. Be aware that the Compatibility Reporter is not a panacea, though: some add-ons WON'T work correctly with the new versions. So exercise caution in the beginning. The most current version is 2.4.1. You will see some people telling you to stay clear of it, recommending some previous version. Let me dispel some of the fears. Yes, some people DID run into problems. I'm not dismissing their problems. But the plain truth is that the new versions -- EVERY new version -- have worked fine for the vast majority of users. I had only a couple minor hiccups myself (that "Bookmarks toolbar" thing I mentioned above, and the need for the Add-on Compatibility Reporter in order to use some of my extensions). My thanks to you MCBastos for addressing my concerns and conveying an understanding of what happened when I upgraded from 1.1. Thanks for some good advice on what to expect. And thanks to Paul Bergsagel for suggesting backing things up before proceeding. I was already thinking along those lines. Though it may be overkill I will do a Windows backup of my Mozilla
Re: What can I expect with upgrade to Version 2.3.3
JD wrote: Walter wrote: Tony Higgins wrote: I'm currently using SeaMonkey 2.0.14. What can I expect with upgrading to Version 2.3.3? I get constant reminders to upgrade. When I upgraded to the current version my profiles were copied to another location which I had difficulty locating and then couldn't get to work and had to re-establish all of my 5 email accounts using the old location. It seems to me I also had trouble with my bookmarks. Will this happen again? Is there an upgrade guide with step-by-step instructions? Thanks, Tony Higgins Me, too, Tony. I need instructions by the number with somebody holding my hand all the way. Here's hoping. Walter. Feel free to read along. Did somebody supply you with instructions by the number and hold your hand when you started using SM? If all you have to offer is ridicule and sarcasm then don't bother replying. I don't know what version I'm being prompted to upgrade to. All I know is that it is annoying and I still remember the fiasco when I upgraded from the previous version of Sea Monkey. I still don't know why it copied my profiles and email files to another location and then wouldn't let me designate that location. I'm using Windows XP Media Center SP3. I also have Windows 7 Pro on another drive that I would like to install Sea Monkey on and have it work with my email files when I boot to it. But for now, I just want to know what's in store doing this upgrade if it is going to be anything like last time. If it is then I'm not so eager to upgrade. I've upgraded through several versions of Netscape and never had that experience before the last upgrade. Tony ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
What can I expect with upgrade to Version 2.3.3
I'm currently using SeaMonkey 2.0.14. What can I expect with upgrading to Version 2.3.3? I get constant reminders to upgrade. When I upgraded to the current version my profiles were copied to another location which I had difficulty locating and then couldn't get to work and had to re-establish all of my 5 email accounts using the old location. It seems to me I also had trouble with my bookmarks. Will this happen again? Is there an upgrade guide with step-by-step instructions? Thanks, Tony Higgins ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
ANN: SeaMonkey Hallowe'en Bug Event
(This announcement is intentionally cross-posted; followups are set to mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey. Please do not change the Followup-To: line.) The SeaMonkey Community will hold a Bug event in the days and nights preceding Hallowe'en. Witches and wizards, hold your wands and get ready to fight the sly and evil Bugs and their offspring Maggots! * WHEN? From Thursday 27 October 2011 08:00 to Sunday 30 October 2011 23:00 UTC without interruption. Europe will go off summer time during the night from Saturday to Sunday; most countries which use DST / summer time on other continents will be using it during the whole test (North hemisphere countries such as the USA will still be on DST, South hemisphere countries such as the DST-using states of Brazil and provinces of Australia will already be on summer time). A table with local start and stop times of the Event in various time zones around the world appears on the wiki page for the event (linked below). * WHERE? Channel #bugday on the Mozilla IRC server (for ChatZilla, irc://moznet/bugday , for other clients, either irc://irc.mozilla.org/ or ircs://irc.mozilla.org:6697/ then /join #bugday ) For more information: https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Bug_events/20111027 Best regards, Tony. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 201. When somebody asks you where you are, you tell them in which chat room. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 32 and 64 bits
On 13/10/11 16:20, Gertjan wrote: Can I use a 64bit .profile on a 32bit Machine The profile, probably, unless there is an extension in it (or several) which includes a 64-bit binary component (Lightning comes to mind): you will have to install the 32-bit version of that extension. The application, no: a 64-bit machine can run 32-bit programs but a 32-bit machine can of course not run 64-bit programs. Best regards, Tony. -- There was a young whore from kaloo Who filled her vagina with glue. She said with a grin, "If they pay to get in, They can pay to get out again too!" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Are "security(sic/sick) updates" _EVER_ needed? ?? ???
On 15/09/11 03:27, Richard Owlett wrote: Provocative enough subject line? Actually I'm *serious* ! I personally suspect that all these "security" features are trying to protect users from there own culpable acts. I take responsibility for my own well being by: 1. *DISABLING* {user.js *IS* your friend} JavaScript Cookies 2. *NOT* using an "always live" connection 3. a local *always LIVE* firewall set to _paranoid_ 4. my ISP provides some firewall and anti-virus email protection and "other" measures Well, even with those measures, security updates are useful. The latest case in point is the DigiNotar certificate authority, which was recently broken into and used without its managers' knowledge to issue several hundreds of bogus certificates for various domains such as google.com, cia.gov, mossad.il, etc. etc. etc. The security update (culminating in SeaMonkey 2.3.3, Firefox 6.0.2, Thunderbird 6.0.2, etc.) consisted of removing all DigiNotar root and intermediary certificates from Mozilla's store of "trusted" certificates. None of the measures you mention above would have protected you against a MITM attack using one of those counterfeit certificates, especially if you happened to connect to a hijacked DNS server. Since you are still using the obsolete SeaMonkey 2.0.8, you could still fall victim to such an attack (though after Mozilla, Google, Mocrosoft and others, including my Linux distro, took measures in concert, the attacks have declined). If you used this browser in Iran (where most, but not all, of the attacks were targeted), you may very well have been one of the victims: in that case you should change your Google etc. passwords and log out of any current session. Maybe also restart SeaMonkey to clear the DNS cache. Best regards, Tony. -- All [zoos] actually offer to the public in return for the taxes spent upon them is a form of idle and witless amusement, compared to which a visit to a penitentiary, or even to a State legislature in session, is informing, stimulating and ennobling. -- H. L. Mencken ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why does SeaMonkey delete browsing history?
> Hmmm, my first thought was related to a "Private Browsing" feature that > seems to have become /de rigueur/ among browsers lately. But I couldn't > find it on Seamonkey, so it doesn't seem to have been ported yet. > > However, I did find a relevant option (besides the ones in the "Privacy > & Security" section) in the Preferences... > Preferences/Browser/History: are your "Remember Visited Pages" box checked? > > -- > MCBastos Yes, the "Remember visited pages" box is checked. SeaMonkey history worked perfectly up until about a week ago. But since then it keeps emptying the history by itself -- nothing survives in the history list for more than an hour. Currently it has removed everything I visited more than seven minutes ago... and now it has deleted everything from history. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Why does SeaMonkey delete browsing history?
On Aug 27, 11:27 pm, nr wrote: > Interesting. The only history option my SM has is to clear it when I exit. > > How have you told SM to keep your history for 10 days? (I'd like to keep > mine for 3 days.) Sorry, the 10 days setting is for "Form and Search History". I assume your setting is for your Download History (When they have completed / When quitting SeaMonkey / Never). Back to my original problem: Why does SeaMonkey 2.3.1 chose to empty my browsing history every hour or so? Earlier versions of SeaMonkey 2 didn't do this. What is the point of SeaMonkey having a browser history if it doesn't store anything in there? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Why does SeaMonkey delete browsing history?
In the past week SeaMonkey 2.3.1 has started fully deleting my browser history every few hours -- it is uncear why. Is this a new bug? My SeaMonkey settings are set to keep browser history for ten days. How can this be fixed? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: A plea for a return to sanity in new version release scheduling
On 19/08/11 11:54, David Wilkinson wrote: Philip Chee wrote: It is not true that none of those working with Mozilla cannot see the problems. Triple negative here. As written this says that it is not true that everybody working at Mozilla can see the problems. As evidenced by his second paragraph, Philip meant "it is false that nobody working at Mozilla can see the problems". Neither he nor I are paid employees of Mozilla AFAIK, but we are both "putting some work into" Mozilla-family products (SeaMonkey and sometimes Gecko or Toolkit), and I can tell you that we are deeply concerned. I think that on several key points (version numbering one of them) SeaMonkey made wiser decisions than Firefox in the past, and I hope that it is going to go on that way, but I don't have an infallible crystal ball: I'll know what my future is when it becomes my present, and by the time I realize what it means, it'll already be my past. About the discoverability of version numbers, bug 678775 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678775 has been mentioned (perhaps without the bug number) in this thread. I'm added the link so that anybody can go and see (but this is somewhat off-topic in the _SeaMonkey_ newsgroup since it is a Firefox bug and AFAIK Seamonkey isn't going that way). The bug has been RESOLVED INVALID a few hours ago, and I believe that that resolution (or maybe WONTFIX) is the right one, but I'm taking no bets on how long it will be before Asa Dotzler-Schmotzler (the guy with a big mouth and his foot in it: this phrase wasn't coined by me but I like it) or someone on his "side" in this controversy, REOPENs it. Best regards, Tony. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 159. You get excited whenever discussing your hard drive. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: YouTube won't maximize?
On 06/08/11 11:19, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Lately I've noticed that if I maximize a YouTube video, the content part of the screen goes black. I still have controls at the bottom, and they work, but that's it. At the end, the "Replay" and other navigation controls appear in front of the black screen. I can maximize vids from other sources. Is it just me? SM 2.0.14, WinXP SP3. Have tried clearing cache and cookies, restarting SM, no joy. Examples from two different YouTube posters: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEcjgJSqSRU> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6DNQX_lxkg> Flash plugins: Shockwave Flash File name: NPSWF32.dll Shockwave Flash 10.3 r181 Shockwave for Director File name: np32dsw.dll Adobe Shockwave for Director Netscape plug-in, version 11.5.9.615 Any ideas? I don't have that problem, but I'm using SeaMonkey 2.5a1 on 64-bit Linux with a 32-bit Flash plugin distributed by openSUSE Linux via their "Non-OSS" repository (Adobe Flash PlugIn and standalone Player, version 10.3.181.34, SuSE patchlevel 1.2.1, architecture i586). about:plugins mentions: Shockwave Flash /root/.mozilla/plugins/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so Shockwave Flash 10.3 r181 (also Adobe Reader and Tcl, not relevant here). So there could be a lot of reasons why our results differ. I hope someone better informed than me can help you out of your predicament. Ah, "Shockwave for Director" is something different, see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Flash In this KB page I see a lot of info which seems relevant for Windows but is Greek to me, maybe you should go and read it. Best regards, Tony. -- Although written many years ago, Lady Chatterley's Lover has just been reissued by the Grove Press, and this pictorial account of the day-to-day life of an English gamekeeper is full of considerable interest to outdoor minded readers, as it contains many passages on pheasant-raising, the apprehending of poachers, ways to control vermin, and other chores and duties of the professional gamekeeper. Unfortunately, one is obliged to wade through many pages of extraneous material in order to discover and savour those sidelights on the management of a midland shooting estate, and in this reviewer's opinion the book cannot take the place of J. R. Miller's "Practical Gamekeeping." -- Ed Zern, "Field and Stream" (Nov. 1959) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: IE users are dumber .
On 02/08/11 03:11, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 01/08/2011 17:41, Tony Mechelynck told the world: On 31/07/11 05:06, Rufus wrote: question wrote: Ie users are suppose to be Dumb http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/07/30/internet-explorer-users-are-dumber-study-shows/ ...Opera?..really?.. I notice they didn't even include SeaMonkey in their test data (except maybe as part of the Firefox sample, which in this case I have a sort of gut feeling is doing us a disservice — but I have no proof). Who knows? Maybe _we_ would have scored higher than Opera if only we'd been tested separately. :-P I think that, generally speaking, *ignoring completely the actual merits of each browser,* you will find higher concentration of smart users in the products with the least market share. The reason are simple: user inertia and network effect. The less-smart users tend to stay with what they know, or what has a well-known brand name. *Any* change demands a bit on the user, be it on installing, or learning the interface of the new product, or migrating settings, or figuring out how to deal with the odd case this new product does not work as well as the old one did. So, the dumbest users (or at least the least computer-savvy ones -- my father is astoundingly smart, he's a very respected mechanical engineer with a number of patents to his name -- but he's just not at home with computers) stay with whatever came with the machine (IE on Windows, Safari on Mac). The slightly savvier ones will know that Firefox and Chrome (two well-known product "brands") offer features IE lacks, and will try them -- safe in the knowledge that if they get stuck, their computer-savvy workmate/nephew/friend will help them. Only the savviest users will attempt to use "obscure" products like Camino, iCab, Seamonkey, Maxthon or Opera. Hm, indeed Camino and Opera were their "top of the list"; the other three I don't think they mentioned. But if I read you well, Lynx and w3m users should be even smarter than all the rest? ;-) Best regards, Tony. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 148. You find it easier to dial-up the National Weather Service Weather/your_town/now.html than to simply look out the window. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: IE users are dumber .
On 31/07/11 05:06, Rufus wrote: question wrote: Ie users are suppose to be Dumb http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/07/30/internet-explorer-users-are-dumber-study-shows/ ...Opera?..really?.. I notice they didn't even include SeaMonkey in their test data (except maybe as part of the Firefox sample, which in this case I have a sort of gut feeling is doing us a disservice — but I have no proof). Who knows? Maybe _we_ would have scored higher than Opera if only we'd been tested separately. :-P Best regards, Tony. -- Hell hath no fury like a bureaucrat scorned. -- Milton Friedman ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bug 669207 - right click in the empty part of the tabbar doesn't produce menu
On 16/07/11 17:59, Philip Chee wrote: Several people have noticed this including in the Mozillazine forums. This was a deliberate change I introduced when I implemented scrollable tabs. I think this should go into the FAQ so that I can point people at it. Secondly, should we revert this particular change for the time being since long time SeaMonkey users have been expecting the old behaviour. It isn't likely that the tabbar will be turned into a customizable toolbar for some time yet. Phil Well, it did "feel wrong" to me at first, that in order to "Undo Close Tab" you had to right-click a tab which had _not_ been closed, not the empty space where the (rightmost) tab would be if it were still open. But that's just one more of those quirks to which you get accustomed with time, so, yes, I'd like to see a right-click menu on the empty part of the tab bar with any menuitems which aren't specific to one tab; but I'd regard that as a low-priority enhancement. FWIW, I almost always have "some" empty tabbar space because of a userChrome.css enhancement of mine which makes all tabs visible on several rows, though reduced to just a favicon (ATM a little more than 2½ rows of 16x16px icons). Best regards, Tony. -- If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Uncalled-for messages on Inbox screen
On 06/07/11 17:21, Ken wrote: Thanks, Tony. Not sure how much of that I've fully understood. But next time the box opens, maybe I'll just click on 'Yes' and that will take me to the group in question, from which I can then quietly check out, and the thing won't happen again? The thing will happen again if you hit the N key or click the "Next" button (the toolbar button which says "Move forward to the next unread message" if you hover your mouse over it) and either there are no unread messages in the folder or newsgroup currently being displayed, or the only unread message in it (especially if you've closed the preview pane at the bottom of the 3-pane window) is the one currently selected in the thread pane. In that case SeaMonkey will look if there is any message marked as unread anywhere in another mail folder, another newsgroup, an RSS feed for which you've chosen to get new posts in a News & Blogs account accessible via your mail window, etc. — and if it finds such an unread message (other than in the "Junk" and "Trash" folders), it will pop the question again. Best regards, Tony. -- HOW YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A ROTTEN DAY: #32: You call your answering service and they've never heard of you. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Uncalled-for messages on Inbox screen
On 03/07/11 10:19, Ken wrote: I have SM 2.0. 14 and Windows 7. When my Inbox is open in its regular function (i.e., for receiving standard emails, not one of my listed user groups such as this one), do boxes sometimes appear in the middle of the screen saying, for example, 'Confirm. Advance to next unread message in alt.video.dvd?' (I don't think I have used that particular group for months, btw.) All help appreciated. Thanks - Ken (in Oz) This is what you see when clicking "go to next unread" or hitting N or selecting "Go → Next Unread" (and possibly similar buttons, hotkeys and menus), and there isn't any unread message (other than, possibly, the one currently selected) in the folder you're viewing. SeaMonkey then asks permission to go to the first unread message in a *different* folder (or newsgroup or RSS feed). The example you mentioned is of a Usenet (NNTP) group, maybe the first one (as shown in the left pane) of those to which you're subscribed. Of course, newsgroup messages posted by other people accumulate, SeaMonkey knows approximately how many there are (it will know more precisely when that group becomes current), and it offers to go to the first of them. You then have the choice of clicking Yes (or hitting Y) or clicking No (or hitting N) to tell SeaMonkey whether or not you want to switch to that newsgroup (or it could be to another mail folder, e.g. if you have filters which move your mail out of your Inbox and to specific folders depending on where they come from). Best regards, Tony. -- Molecule, n.: The ultimate, indivisible unit of matter. It is distinguished from the corpuscle, also the ultimate, indivisible unit of matter, by a closer resemblance to the atom, also the ultimate, indivisible unit of matter ... The ion differs from the molecule, the corpuscle and the atom in that it is an ion ... -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround: How To Get Back the cZ Icon
On 02/07/11 07:46, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 7/1/2011 11:33 PM, NoOp wrote: On 07/01/2011 08:14 PM, Tony Mechelynck wrote: In recent SeaMonkey builds, the ChatZilla window has lost its nice cZ icon which was replaced by a SeaMonkey Icon. Here's how to get it back (alas, it's not a once-and-for-all solution, only once-per-version): ... Which builds would those be? All of my 2.1 and 2.2 builds (windows and linux) show the cZ icon. Tony means the "Window" icon for chatzilla, on windows you'll see that on the top left corner of the window, or in win7 for example when you hover over the SeaMonkey icon in the taskbar and have cZ open you *should* see the cZ icon in the top left corner of the screenshot (or the "list" of windows if you have too many windows open for win7 to show the screenshots). That said, I hope to find the time to describe to Tony how to fix this in our build over the next weeks, which I expect to do (he gave up on the bug, due to some complexity that he forsaw). ...or rather, due to some complexity that I hadn't foreseen, which made me lose my path in the maze of the source (and SeaMonkey is built from repositories with a lot of source, since it pulls all the following Mercurial repositories: 1) the repository with the specific Suite, MailNews and Calendar sources 2) the repository with the Firefox, Toolkit, Gecko, etc. sources 3) the ChatZilla repository 4) the DOM Inspector repository 5) the LDAP SDK repository 6) the Venkman repository ). You could also build any of Thunderbird, Firefox, or the ChatZilla, Lightning, Provider for Google Calendar, Dom Inspector and Javascript Debugger extensions from that same pile of code. Also Sunbird if it were still supported. The first problem is to find where and how in the "comm" repository (#1 above) the ChatZilla taskbar image from the "irc" repository (#3 above) is moved into the temporary directory structure which will then be archived into the .tar.bz2, the .dmg, or the .zip and .installer.exe which are what users will then download. The second problem (but I think I can get inspiration from Venkman on how to solve that) is where to put that icon so the OS can use it. Best regards, Tony. -- There is no time like the present for postponing what you ought to be doing. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Workaround: How To Get Back the cZ Icon
On 02/07/11 07:01, NoOp wrote: On 07/01/2011 09:37 PM, Barry Edwin Gilmour wrote: NoOp wrote: On 07/01/2011 08:14 PM, Tony Mechelynck wrote: In recent SeaMonkey builds, the ChatZilla window has lost its nice cZ icon which was replaced by a SeaMonkey Icon. Here's how to get it back (alas, it's not a once-and-for-all solution, only once-per-version): ... Which builds would those be? All of my 2.1 and 2.2 builds (windows and linux) show the cZ icon. Must be only for the active users of ChatZilla. I don't use Chatzilla and the bottom Component-Bar's Cz icon shows fine in the same build as Tony's, in both Default Classic and Modern Theme:- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0a1) Gecko/20110701 Firefox/7.0a1 SeaMonkey/2.4a1 ID:20110701003111 Barry I use cZ so being an active user probably isn't an issue. So I'm still confused& reckon only Tony can clarify. Recent builds of SeaMonkey, but I don't know how recent, maybe only 2.4a1, will install the built-in ChatZilla (and the built-in DOM Inspector and the built-in Javascript Debugger) in your profile, but: - only if there was a change in the SeaMonkey version, AND - only if there isn't already an equal or newer version of the same extension in the profile. This implies that if you're using nightlies, and some bug is fixed in ChatZilla between one nightly and the next, you won't get the fix until the next SeaMonkey version unless you forcibly reinstall the fixed version. OTOH if you have installed ChatZilla from AMO, that profile copy will be overridden by the copy built into the _next_ version of SeaMonkey if it's newer: you won't be stranded forever with an obsolete version in your profile. There is no usable ChatZilla anymore under the application installation directory: you get the following: /extensions/ only the default and Modern themes /distribution/extensions/ the built-in extensions. They cannot be used directly from here. /extensions/ your extensions and themes, including any built-in extensions This install into the profile is made while checking for extensions' compatibility, and it will install ChatZilla in "packed" mode, leaving the unpacked XPI in your profile, even though ChatZilla requests unpack-at-install. The "packed" ChatZilla works, maybe even faster since there aren't many files to be fetched at different places on your HD, but its icon on the OS taskbar (NOT the icon on the SeaMonkey statusbar) is the "default" SeaMonkey icon (same blue icon as for the browser), not the grey cZ icon specific of ChatZilla. If you install ChatZilla yourself from AMO, or from "somewhere on your HD", it will install in "unpacked" mode (a directory and a number of files and directory inside), and the image passed to the OS for display on the taskbar is a separate "image" file, not something inside an XPI, so the OS can display it. Best regards, Tony. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 123. You ask the car dealer to install an extra cigarette lighter on your new car to power your notebook. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Workaround: How To Get Back the cZ Icon
In recent SeaMonkey builds, the ChatZilla window has lost its nice cZ icon which was replaced by a SeaMonkey Icon. Here's how to get it back (alas, it's not a once-and-for-all solution, only once-per-version): Just reinstall ChatZilla as follows: 1. Open the add-ons manager 2. In the drop-down near the top, click "Install Add-on From File…" 3. In the file picker, go first to the install directory (this is platform-dependent, maybe /usr/local/seamonkey, maybe "C:\Program Files\SeaMonkey", maybe something else) 4. Still in the file picker, go down into distribution/extensions 5. Select {59c81df5-4b7a-477b-912d-4e0fdf64e5f2}.xpi (by double-clicking, or by one click followed by [ OK ] or [ Open ] or similar) 6. The popup should tell you that you're about to install ChatZilla. When the countdown elapses, click "Install Now". 7. Once the doorhanger (near the URL bar icon) tells you that ChatZilla is installed, restart SeaMonkey. Notice the nice cZ icon which is back on the taskbar when you start ChatZilla? It will normally stay that way at least as long as you stay on the same SeaMonkey version in the same profile. When you'll update to some later SeaMonkey version (still in the same profile) there'll be a check of your extensions' version compatibility at startup. At that time, ChatZilla may go back to using the SeaMonkey icon, or even become disabled: then repeat steps 1 to 7 above. Note: At step 5, there may be three or four "built-in extensions" in that directory: debu...@mozilla.org.xpi (optional) Debug & QA UI inspec...@mozilla.org.xpi DOM Inspector {59c81df5-4b7a-477b-912d-4e0fdf64e5f2}.xpi ChatZilla {f13b157f-b174-47e7-a34d-4815ddfdfeb8}.xpi JavaScript Debugger ChatZilla is the one with a name hard to remember, whose first hex "letter" (i.e. digit > 9) is c. Best regards, Tony. -- You are the only person to ever get this message. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Anyway to use Sync bookmarks addon with Seamonkey?
On 04/06/11 19:33, goldtech wrote: Hi, Is there anyway to use sync bookmarks addon with SM 2.0.14 ? Right now I have FF installed then I import the syn'd bookmarks from FF to SM... thanks AFAIK there is no "clean" way to use Sync with SeaMonkey 2.0.x, but SeaMonkey 2.1 will have Sync built-in, just like Firefox 4 and later. The first release-candidate is already out (there is a link to its download page on the SeaMonkey homepage http://www.seamonkey-project.org/ ) and the second release-candidate is due any day now. These are "release candidates" which means better and stabler than your average beta; indeed, the RC2 which is about to be released could quite well become the official release 2.1 if no serious bug is found in it. HTH, Tony. -- Romeo wasn't bilked in a day. -- Walt Kelly, "Ten Ever-Lovin' Blue-Eyed Years With Pogo" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New version
On 03/06/11 10:48, Ray_Net wrote: Neil Winchurst wrote: Although not new to computers I am fairly new to SeaMonkey. I am using version 2.0.14. There has been a lot of chat about the new version 2.1. Since my version works just fine for me is there any real reason or advantage to moving up? I feel that I would be quite happy to stay where I am. If it ain't broke . If you have decide to use SM instead of IE, you should know that with SM you always must change,upgrade, etc there is no "stable release" Yeah, with IE it's always broke whatever you do, so fixin' it don' make it any better. :-P Best regards, Tony. -- FIGHTING WORDS Say my love is easy had, Say I'm bitten raw with pride, Say I am too often sad -- Still behold me at your side. Say I'm neither brave nor young, Say I woo and coddle care, Say the devil touched my tongue -- Still you have my heart to wear. But say my verses do not scan, And I get me another man! -- Dorothy Parker ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New version
On 31/05/11 04:32, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 5/30/2011 9:17 AM, Tony Mechelynck wrote: and between current builds of SeaMonkey 2.2a1pre and Firefox 7.0a1. Fwiw, SeaMonkey 2.2 will soon be only comprable to Firefox 5... we're just getting ready to bump version numbers there to reflect reality. "Will soon"... maybe: I hear a lot of that kind of talk, and I'm eagerly waiting for it to happen, like a teen-ager at a movie house just before the posters come up for next week's movie. In the meantime, the "latest and greatest" that I'm using is still calling itself Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0a1) Gecko/20110602 Firefox/7.0a1 SeaMonkey/2.2a1pre i.e., "SeaMonkey 2.2a1pre built on the same source as Firefox 7.0a1". (And don't get me started on the utility of declaring a new "major version" number every six weeks, or you'll get the same speech you could get from KaiRo except that he's a lot more aware of the ins and outs of the project than I am). Best regards, Tony. -- To be rich is not the end, but only a change of worries. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New version
On 30/05/11 12:53, Neil Winchurst wrote: Although not new to computers I am fairly new to SeaMonkey. I am using version 2.0.14. There has been a lot of chat about the new version 2.1. Since my version works just fine for me is there any real reason or advantage to moving up? I feel that I would be quite happy to stay where I am. If it ain't broke . Just wondering Neil You can still safely wait until the SeaMonkey 2.1 release is announced and maybe a little more, but not too long: once SeaMonkey 2.1 final gets released, support for SeaMonkey 2.0 won't last very long -- the (volunteer) SeaMonkey team just hasn't got enough resources to keep maintaining as many parallel versions of the software as does the Firefox team (many of whose members are paid employees of the Mozilla corporation). It is a testimony to the SeaMonkey community's enthusiasm that they are succeeding to maintain such a good-quality software product in spite of their relative lack of human and hardware resources. Once the users of SeaMonkey 2.0 start going over to SeaMonkey 2.1, there will be fewer and fewer people finding any possible remaining bugs in SeaMonkey 2.0 -- and fewer bugs found means fewer bugs fixed too. You can't prove that the software ain't broke, and any bug left in it is gonna bite you some day, maybe sooner -- maybe later. Currently, in addition to SeaMonkey 2.0 where AFAIK only severe security and stability bugs are still being fixed, the SeaMonkey team is maintaining two later "code branches", namely SeaMonkey 2.1, which may be released any day now (the first release-candidate is already out and a second one is in the works), and SeaMonkey 2.2, which is still at the preliminary "pre-alpha" stage. IIUC, the underlying "backend" code is common between SeaMonkey 2.1 and Firefox 4.0.x, and between current builds of SeaMonkey 2.2a1pre and Firefox 7.0a1. Best regards, Tony. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 101. U can read htis w/o ny porblm and cant figur eout Y its evn listd. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Need testers for Lightning 1.0b4 for SeaMonkey 2.1
On 26/05/11 11:30, Philip Chee wrote: Hi! SeaMonkey 2.1 is almost out of the gate. We need to make sure that the Lightning version targetting SM 2.1 works well with it. So I need volunteers to smoke test Lightning 1.04b on SeaMonkey 2.1 Lightning 1.0b4pre builds are here: https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-miramar/ SeaMonkey 2.1pre builds are here: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-2.0/ Lightning will integrate into the MailNews window and you can open new Calendar and Task tabs via the mini buttons in the tabbar. ...or via the "Events and Tasks" menu which it adds on the menubar. Phil (also posted to Mozillazine http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2210021) Best regards, Tony. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 99. The hum of a cooling fan and the click of keys is comforting to you. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
ANN: Results of SeaMonkey "Nugzilla" bug event
@ashughes: could you please rewrite the following for QMO? Thanks, and thanks again for setting the channel topic during the event. The results of the SeaMonkey "Nugzilla" bug event which took place on IRC channel #bugday from Wednesday 18 to Friday 20 of this month are now available at https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Bug_events/20110518#Results where you will find: * A link to the list of bugs which were handled, as a Bugzilla search, repeated here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=Nugzilla&sharer_id=104443 (to see this list, you may perhaps need to be logged-in to bugzilla.mozilla.org but no special permissions are required on your Bugzilla account). * A breakdown by Product and Component of where the 19 bugs which were moved or reported to Products other than "SeaMonkey" ended up (Core: 10, Toolkit: 5, MailNews Core: 3, Mozilla Localizations: 1), and a summary by Component and Status/Resolution of the 98 bugs handled which remained in the SeaMonkey Product. * An honour list by number of bugs of the seven people who did the actual "dirty work", with links to all those bugs at BMO. I'm listing those people there in alphabetical order of IRC nicknames, go there to see "who did what": Aleksej, Aqualon, IanN, RattyAway, Rickie, therube, tonymec Additional remarks: * ashughes and KaiRo were noticed as lurkers during part of the time but they didn't move any actual bugs. Their presence may have encouraged those who did: thanks for being there. * All platforms for which SeaMonkey is built at Mozilla were represented among the testers: Linux-i686 and Mac had a token presence, Windows and Linux-x86_64 were outstandingly represented, even though SeaMonkey builds for the latter platform are not yet regarded as "official". Best regards, Tony. -- The University of California Bears announced the signing of Reggie Philbin to a letter of intent to attend Cal next Fall. Philbin is said to make up for no talent by cheating well. Says Philbin of his decision to attend Cal, "I'm in it for the free ride." ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Bug Event 18 to 20 May 2011 (OOPS)
On 09/05/11 05:11, Tony Mechelynck wrote: A three-day "SeaMonkey Bug Event" (unofficially nicknamed "Operation Nugzilla") will be held on IRC on 18, 19 and 20 may 2011, 14h to 24h GMT. Full details, including equivalent times for various timezones around the world, what to test and with which tools, are available at https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Bug_events/20110518 Oops! 12h to 24h GMT, 14h to 24h CEST. (The times published at wikimo are correct.) Best regards, Tony. -- Ambition is a poor excuse for not having sense enough to be lazy. -- Charlie McCarthy ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey Bug Event 18 to 20 May 2011
A three-day "SeaMonkey Bug Event" (unofficially nicknamed "Operation Nugzilla") will be held on IRC on 18, 19 and 20 may 2011, 14h to 24h GMT. Full details, including equivalent times for various timezones around the world, what to test and with which tools, are available at https://wiki.mozilla.org/SeaMonkey/Bug_events/20110518 The main goal is to give a thorough test to SeaMonkey 2.1, which is expected to be released any time soon, most probably before Nugzilla starts. If you have questions (after reading the page linked above), feel free to ask them, either by replying to the copy of this post published in the mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey newsgroup, or on IRC in the #seamonkey channel (on, of course, the irc.mozilla.org server known to ChatZilla as "moznet"). If you are using SeaMonkey (or Firefox with Chatzilla installed), clicking the following links will open the corresponding channel in ChatZilla: irc://moznet/seamonkey irc://moznet/bugday Best regards, Tony "tonymec" Mechelynck. -- Hire the morally handicapped. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Updated to 2.0.14
On 01/05/11 19:31, wingspan2 wrote: Hello everyone, Well I logged onto my Sea Monkey browser as usual and when my browser appeared, it had automatically updated to Sea Monkey 2.0.14. It looked a bit different but everything appeared to be there. But.. when I went to use my e-mail that Sea Monkey provides, I was unable to to send any messages. I was able to receive them just not able to send them. I called my internet provider "Comcast" to aid me with this problem, but they no longer help with browsers other than their own. I went through all the setting and every thing was still the same, but it will not send. I get this email message stating when I attempt to send it: "Cannot send message using the server Smtp.comcast.net:wingspan2..Use the pop-up menu below to try a different outgoing mail server. All messages will use this server until you quit Mail or change your network settings" So my wife and I tried different options that appeared in the drop down box, but none were able to make the out going mail work. Has anyone had this problem or know how to repair so our email can be sent again? Thanks in advance, Rob Maybe the knowledge base article http://kb.mozillazine.org/Cannot_send_mail could be relevant. Best regards, Tony. -- "... one of the main causes of the fall of the Roman Empire was that, lacking zero, they had no way to indicate successful termination of their C programs." -- Robert Firth ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrade to new version
On 01/05/11 17:18, Neil Winchurst wrote: Daniel wrote: Neil Winchurst wrote: I have installed version 2.0.13 in /usr/local/bin which works fine. There is now version 2.0.14 ready as an upgrade. I have downloaded it but it will not install. I get a message about having other versions installed. I do not have any version in /usr/bin. It will not upgrade my version. Am I missing something somewhere please? Neil Neil, when you say you downloaded it, do you mean you downloaded the upgrade or did you download the entire program (15MB or there abouts)?? When I upgrade from one version to the next, SeaMonkey downloads the upgrade and installs it next time I start up, job done! I had better give more information. I have installed Mint 10 KDE. When I wanted to install Seamonkey the available version was 2.0.11 while the latest version was 2.0.13. So I downloaded the full version 2.0.13 of the program, the .deb version, and ran the installer. Now I have downloaded the upgrade to version 2.0.14 but when I go to Help > Apply Downloaded Upgrade I am told to restart Seamonkey. When I do I get an error message asking if there is another version installed. There isn't. Here is the message * The update could not be installed. Please make sure there are no other copies of SeaMonkey running on your computer, and then restart SeaMonkey to try again. * So now every time I start Seamonkey I get this error message and have to click on OK to go to the program. I should mention that I have installed Seamonkey in /usr/local/bin, there is no copy in /usr/bin. If necessary I am happy to stay with version 2.0.13 but I would like to avoid the error message every time I log in. If I could find the upgrade file I could rename it or delete it. Thanks for any help, Neil You say there is no SeaMonkey running: - How did you close SeaMonkey the last time? The "proper" way to do it consists of using File→Quit or Ctrl+Q then _waiting_ until it has finished running, which means _longer_ than just waiting for all windows to be closed: see next paragraph. Don't turn the computer off while SeaMonkey is busy closing down. - Does ps -lC seamonkey-bin list something other than column headings? If it does, then even if SeaMonkey has already closed all its windows in response to your Ctrl+Q (or File → Quit), there is still some cleanup in progress. If you run ksysguard or gnome-system-monitor you should be able to follow how SeaMonkey takes its time releasing its memory. - See also http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_in_use http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile_folder_-_SeaMonkey about how to recover from a locked profile. Best regards, Tony. -- "He did decide, though, that with more time and a great deal of mental effort, he could probably turn the activity into an acceptable perversion." -- Mick Farren, "When Gravity Fails" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Strange results when viewing mail folder in my profile folder
On 28/04/11 19:00, Colin Ager wrote: Hi all. In prearation for a forthcoming update from Fedora 12 to Fedora 14 I have saved my Seamonkey profile. While doing this I looked at a mail folder and was shown an e-mail from Sept 2009. To my surprise it does not show when I look for it in the usual way with Seamonkey. As far as I can see only the first item in the mail folder is shown although there are lots more some of which show in Seamonkey as being before the date on this item. Cn anyone explain why this happens? Colin Most "files" in the Mail folder of your profile are mailbox files, each of them corresponds to one the "folders" which you see in the mail client. Each of these mailbox files contains emails one after another: if you look at one such mailbox with a plain text editor such as Vim, Notepad, etc., you'll see for each message the following: - one line starting with "From -" with no colon after From - the email headers, with no intervening empty line. Lines beginning with whitespace (i.e. with spaces or tabs) are continuation lines. - one empty line - the body text, which is what you normally see when reading the email. This body text may either be one message in plaintext, or it may be made of several parts (HTML text, plaintext, attachment 1, attachment 2, etc.) in MIME format. In the latter case there are delimiter lines between each part, and the same delimiter with two dashes appended marks the end of the last part, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME#Multipart_messages When you delete a message, it is not immediately removed from the mailbox; rather, for efficiency's sake, it is "marked as deleted" and nothing else is done to it. Anything marked as deleted in this way won't be shown by the mailer. It's only when you "compact" that folder (or when SeaMonkey does it on its own, depending on your Preferences) that all such messages "marked as deleted" will be actually removed. If you point your browser to a copy of a mailbox file, it may perhaps see only the first message, thinking that this file is one message which you've "saved" as a file in EML format (MIME type message/rfc822) as when you use the "File → Save As → File..." menu. This would explain what you're seeing. But unlike what goes before, what I'm saying in this paragraph is only a guess. Best regards, Tony. -- "Now the Lord God planted a garden East of Whittier in a place called Yorba Linda, and out of the ground he made to grow orange trees that were good for food and the fruits thereof he labeled SUNKIST ..." -- "The Begatting of a President" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: New control of mouse-click-menus - additional click necessary now - drives my hand crazy
On 18/04/11 23:30, S. Beaulieu wrote: Ray_Net a écrit : Context menu is opened by using only the right-click ... all well-done windows programs will permit that without the need of pressing the ctrl key in the same time. The middle-button (not present on every mouse) will do other things but not opening the context menu. But that's not what he said. He said he was only clicking the left button and holding it down to select the proper option. That's not right-clicking. S. If you press and hold the right mouse button, the context (popup) menu will open. You can then move the mouse pointer without releasing the button, and if you pass over a submenu it will open while the mouse pointer is over it. You can navigate the menus in this way, still holding the right button, until the mouse pointer reaches the menuitem which you want to trigger. Then you release the mouse button. This has always worked as far back as I can remember, maybe even on Netscape 4.72. Similarly with the left button if you start on the menubar. Of course, if you have configured your mouse for left-handed use, the left button becomes the right button and vice-versa. An alternative way of navigating the menus consists of doing a click-and-release at each level going down, until you reach a menuitem which is not a submenu: then that one gets triggered. On modern mice of the "wheel" type, pressing the wheel without rolling it actuates the middle button. Best regards, Tony. -- "People think love is an emotion. Love is good sense." -- Ken Kesey ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: "Unsent messages"
On 18/04/11 10:29, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Ken Rudolph wrote: SM 2.0.13, W-7. When I click to go to Mail & Newsgroups I get a window which says "Would you like to send your unsent messages now? Send. Don't send." The problem is that there are no unsent messages that I know of. Nothing shows up in the Drafts folder. And if I click "Send" it just spins and does nothing. What can I do to purge these non-existent unsent messages? "Drafts" and "Unsent Messages" are two different folders for two different purposes. Look below "Trash" and you'll see. If "Unsent Messages" is empty, I suggest you compact folders and restart SM. It could also be named "Outbox", but "Drafts" is something else. Best regards, Tony. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 63. You start using smileys in your snail mail. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3
On 17/04/11 07:27, Rostyslaw Lewyckyj wrote: Robert Kaiser wrote: ejdelet...@edmullen.net schrieb: Have you guys tried your solutions? Have you tried to replicate my problem? I don't need to replicate anything, as know what the code does, because I wrote that code that forces a certain set of zoom levels. And I didn't offer a solution, as I don't think there is one. I'm still a bit unsure what your actual problem is - do you need a different set of zoom levels? Did you manage to do that in any previous SeaMonkey version? Robert Kaiser Well Mr. Kaiser, since you wrote the code and so know that the solutions offered here by the other posters won't work "as I don't think there is one." you could have written as much here earlier and so saved Mr. Mullen from his frustrating experiences and needing to make his exasperated posting. Well, actually Mr. Rostyslaw "Smartass" Lewyckyj, Robert was the first to answer, and he said that SeaMonkey needs to force-set a certain set of zoom levels (different than the Firefox defaults IIUC) for localization reasons. Of course, no one could guess that Mr. Mullen was "being driven crazy" (his words) until he told us so. Best regards, Tony. -- Hartley's First Law: You can lead a horse to water, but if you can get him to float on his back, you've got something. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: HTML display inside feeds not working
On 17/04/11 05:04, MCBastos wrote: I have been away for a while, now I'm back with a weird problem... Suddenly, my Seamonkey (2.0.13) stopped displaying the images linked from the entry summaries in Atom feeds. Even from old messages. I think it's affecting RSS feeds too, but other than the Blogger ones (which are all Atom), I don't recall which feeds are RSS and which ones are Atom. I tried a lot of things. I tried turning off, then back on, "View/Display Attachments Inline." No dice. I tried fiddling with "View/Feed Message Body As". The upper part seems to be locked in "Original HTML" -- I attempted changing it to "Simple HTML" or "Plain Text", and not only the message stays the same, but the menu option stays selected as "Original HTML." The lower part is selected as "Summary", which is where it was before. I tried changing it to "Web Page," and it works -- after a fashion: it loads the full web page instead of the summary. But what I want, what worked before, is the summary -- the full page is much slower to load, and sometimes is filled with troublesome scripts. I tried fiddling with the character encoding. That's the only thing that gave me some slim results: when I change the "View/Character Encoding/Auto-detect" setting -- no matter from which value to which -- the message is reloaded and the linked images displayed. But not perfectly: when I do this, the header is displayed in the body of the message, in a badly formatted way. Worse, this trick only affects the message currently being displayed: go to another message, and the problem is back. Go back to the "fixed" message, and it's back there, too. I tried reinstalling Seamonkey over itself to check if it was some corrupted program file. No dice. I really don't know that to attempt next, other than starting from scratch with a new profile. And, while I know how to do that and have done so in the past (I have been using Seamonkey's predecessors all the way back to Netscape 2, at least), I really would like to avoid the considerable work that would be involved in setting all my stuff back. Any ideas? I'm using SeaMonkey 2.2a1pre, and there might be differences, but I've noticed recently that some HTML message came up garbled (especially in email here though). I noticed after some fiddling that hitting F5 almost always restored the correct view. Maybe you should try that? Another possibility would be a firewall or proxy blocking the images but I don't think that is it. A corrupt program file is less often a problem than an obsolete file, which was present in older builds but has disappeared in recent ones, and has not been removed by a reinstall of the program over itself. That has caused me no end of trouble in the past, and reinstalling the program again wouldn't cure it, because unpacking the archive is a strictly additive process, it never removes anything (at least on Linux where I am). The solution was to remove the "old" installation folder and all its contents just before unpacking the "new" archive (for instance here on Linux, and for the version I'm using: rm -Rvf /usr/local/seamonkey tar -jxvC /usr/local -f seamonkey-2.2a1pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2 ). Doing this doesn't touch my Preferences or my Extensions because they are elsewhere, in my profile folder (somewhere under my home directory), not under the installation directory. Best regards, Tony. -- Kansas state law requires pedestrians crossing the highways at night to wear tail lights. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: The line break that isn't?
On 15/04/11 01:00, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I've noticed a strange behavior from SM in my outgoing mail: if I send a line that exceeds 72 characters and contains Asian text at the end, the program inserts an extraneous space at every 72nd character, but it doesn't actually force a line break (more below). For Western text, it doesn't break words this way, but for Asian text it does. For example, when I posted the following sentence to a mailing list (without these line breaks): I get 27,500 hits for +"핸디폰" (haendiphon), vs. 37.2 million for 핸드폰 (haendeuphon) and 3.4 million for +"이동 전화" (idong cheonhwa, the native term). SeaMonkey inserted a space between 핸드 and 폰 (breaking the word), so the middle of the sentence looked like this: vs. 37.2 million for 핸드 폰 (haendeuphon) instead of this: vs. 37.2 million for 핸드폰 (haendeuphon) As nearly as I can tell by viewing the source code of this message, SM did break the line at this point, inserting a space, but unbroke it for display purposes, and failed to delete the extraneous space when displaying the message. So I guess my question is, do we have an option to tell SM not to break Korean words at line ends? I'd like it to treat them with just as much respect as English words -- either carry over the entire word, or not. I don't know if there is an option, but IIUC the reason for this behaviour is that sometimes in CJK languages whole sentences are written without word breaks, and linebreaks may happen between any two wide glyphs if required by the width of the text column. With the email "format=flowed" convention, the text is transmitted over the Net in "reasonably" short lines, then reassembled on arrival and displayed in the whole width of the receiving mailer's window. This convention was thought up by people using "alphabetic" scripts where all words are separated by spaces, so whenever a linebreak is suppressed a space is added in its stead. I don't see anything relevant in Edit → Preferences, but in about:config I see two Boolean preferences by filtering on "flowed" (without the quotes): you might try toggling one of them, the other, or both, and see what happens. Best regards, Tony. -- Be different: conform. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Support for large mail boxes
On 12/04/11 17:39, Mike wrote: Tony Mechelynck wrote: Mike, I have about a dozen additional folders on my Mail account into which I drag-and-drop my mail, e.g. 2011_Family, 2011_Jokes, 2011_Linux, etc. Then, on New Years Day (or there-abouts), I move all these folders onto my Local Folders account, and give myself a new set of folders on the mail account. Using Local Folders means all my mail is with-in easy reach. At the risk of being a little transparent: http://www.phivegills.com/seamonkey.png I do use the global inbox feature, and then mainly filter email based on account into sub folders of the Inbox. I do this to avoid vertical scrolling in the left folder view pane. Am I "doing it wrong"? Probably not; but I see two "Inbox" folders in your screenshot. Surely they are not both the Global Inbox? Also, I don't see any "Local Folders" account? Best regards, Tony. -- You will lose your present job and have to become a door to door mayonnaise salesman. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Support for large mail boxes
On 12/04/11 14:44, Daniel wrote: Mike wrote: I use Seamonkey (2.0.13) to check several mail boxes. I've used this software since before Moz Suite supported tabbed browsing. My point is, I have a lot of email. And I like SM but it's crawling. I've compacted all the folders, but changing from one account or folder or email to another takes 5 to 10 seconds sometimes, rarely even more. Frequent pauses in composing emails happens as well. A couple POP accounts have about 2000 messages, another has 7K, and my main POP account has about 14k. I delete junk and unimportant messages such as list email, so what is left is mail I wish to have for search or archive. Am I seeing expected behavior for the size of mailboxes I have? If not what can I tune? If not, how can I archive mail older than a certain date in a manner that I can quickly/easily get to it for search? TIA! Mike, I have about a dozen additional folders on my Mail account into which I drag-and-drop my mail, e.g. 2011_Family, 2011_Jokes, 2011_Linux, etc. Then, on New Years Day (or there-abouts), I move all these folders onto my Local Folders account, and give myself a new set of folders on the mail account. Using Local Folders means all my mail is with-in easy reach. HTH Daniel ...and I use the Global Inbox (Inbox on Local Folders) but I don't keep mail there: I have filters to sort "repeat mail" to separate folders (e.g. anything from bugzilla-dae...@mozilla.org goes to a "Mozilla bugmail" folder); when it's harder to automate I move them about manually, and of course there's the Junk folder for spam. The result is that at the end of the day my Inbox folder is empty. Best regards, Tony. -- Proposed Additions to the PDP-11 Instruction Set: PI Punch Invalid POPIPunch Operator Immediately PVLCPunch Variable Length Card RASCRead And Shred Card RPM Read Programmers Mind RSSCreduce speed, step carefully (for improved accuracy) RTABRewind tape and break RWDSK rewind disk RWOCRead Writing On Card SCRBL scribble to disk - faster than a write SLC Search for Lost Chord SPSWScramble Program Status Word SRSDSeek Record and Scar Disk STROM Store in Read Only Memory TDB Transfer and Drop Bit WBT Water Binary Tree ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: It seems going to HTML source more than once just trashes my heading etc.
On 12/04/11 13:05, Rick Merrill wrote: KRUB wrote: Well, thanks Tony but the lines are blank, not continuations of anything. It doesn't seem to happen in the body. But this is a minor hindrance compared to the editor going wacko on me. I don't use it for e-mails, I am continually editing a WEB site and it is not an option. The blank lines only affect our personal sense of coding aesthetics. I have seen the same thing so I keep my own lines trimmed and use SeaMonkey Composer and that keeps the problem minimal. As I said, a truly *empty* line (with not even a space in it) marks the end of the headers, so it affects more than just aesthetics. OTOH, a blank *nonempty* line in the headers (i.e. a line consisting of *at least one* space or tab) *is* technically a continuation line -- it adds one space to the previous line, which normally makes no difference. My guess is that there is a residual 'formatted' embedded somewhere in the code. And to make sure there is no misunderstanding, by "headers" I mean email or newsgroup headers: here are those of the message to which I'm replying here, and the next line is empty: (I'm using "Paste as Quotation" to avoid additional line breaks) (Notice the continuation line starting with one space after the "Subject:" line, and also notice the absence of embedded empty lines.) Path: Xl.tags.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.mozilla.org!news.mozilla.org.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 06:05:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 07:05:42 -0400 From: Rick Merrill Organization: batco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.18) Gecko/20110320 SeaMonkey/2.0.13 Firefox/3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: It seems going to HTML source more than once just trashes my heading etc. References: <2610de4e-b3ba-448e-8eb0-6af15684c...@f30g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> <58ed1e6b-fd0b-4b59-86a2-810056974...@u12g2000vbf.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <58ed1e6b-fd0b-4b59-86a2-810056974...@u12g2000vbf.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.63.58.8 X-AuthenticatedUsername: NoAuthUser X-Trace: sv3-Rr8ul4sZrbio1RKFIIXPvxhLvR5qClhHisd4pfZMycxTs0JVJRb7ueGSSRen6ofRvxSWhu3jbu8ugLL!uM/9Pnp0g4EhFUxmw3uxmpgkV6zpJ0yHDtNFVX6Fk7MI6TMOQV0VWUHtaBInLXXAvTBzjEKou/X3!SsvV3Yut X-Complaints-To: ab...@mozilla.org X-DMCA-Complaints-To: ab...@mozilla.org X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 Bytes: 2160 X-Original-Bytes: 2099 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com mozilla.support.seamonkey:59767 Best regards, Tony. -- Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the drug store, but that's just peanuts to space. -- "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: It seems going to HTML source more than once just trashes my heading etc.
On 10/04/11 19:03, KRUB wrote: First of all, what is with all the line spaces (in source) that are getting put in? I often see 5 blank lines added between lines in my header. Blank lines or empty lines? Empty lines should not happen between header lines, since the fist blank line is what separates "headers" from "body". Lines beginning with whitespace (i.e. with spaces or tabs) are continuation lines, they should be regarded as "continuing" the previous line: the leading whitespace and the preceding linebreak together are treated as just one space. Now a line consisting only of *one* or more spaces (a blank line which is not an empty line)... I'm not 100% sure, but I think that the receiving mailer would treat such a line as if it didn't exist. It seems if I go back and forth between source and regular more than once or twice sea monkey decides to change all my "<" type characters to their html equivalent. the ones in the header that are not supposed to be "equivalent." Something is going to have to change else I'm going to be forced to find another editor, something really strange about Seamonkey. This just started recently too. The line spaces I've had before and the problem went away and now it is back. Hm. Apparently the HTML composer is not 100% perfect. Personally I prefer sending my messages in plaintext; YMMV. Best regards, Tony. -- The scum also rises. -- Dr. Hunter S. Thompson ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What do these SeaMonkey errors mean?
On 10/04/11 23:32, Robert Gault wrote: Tony Mechelynck wrote: On 09/04/11 16:20, Robert Gault wrote: I clear the SeaMonkey 2.0.13 error console, set the home page to Blank Page, and leave SeaMonkey. The next time SeaMonkey is started, the error console shows five warnings: Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'. chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 615 Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'. chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 616 Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'. chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 617 Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'. chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 619 Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'. chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 914 Lines 615-619 @import url("chrome://navigator/content/navigator.css"); @import url("chrome://communicator/skin/"); @import url("chrome://communicator/skin/bookmarks/bookmarksToolbar.css"); @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";); Line 914 white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; Are these known bugs or is my installation at fault? WinXP SP3 Home system There ought to be nothing before an @import rule, except maybe comments, blank lines, and other @import rules (this is a W3C requirement on the CSS @import rule syntax). More than six hundred lines with only comments and other @import rules in them sounds a little bizarre to me. What theme are you using? These errors seem (IIUC) to point to a navigator.css file in your theme, but (AFAICT) the one in my SeaMonkey default skin (but it's a trunk build, 2.2a1pre not 2.0.13) has a "License block" as a comment at lines 1-37, line 38 is empty, and the three @import lines, empty line, and @namespace line which you quote are at lines 39-43. The whole file (seen in Vim on Linux as zipfile:/usr/local/seamonkey/omni.jar::chrome/classic/skin/classic/navigator/navigator.css) is 716 lines long. But then the Linux default theme might be different from the Windows default theme. In the Modern theme's navigator.css (zipfile:/usr/local/seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi::chrome/modern/skin/modern/navigator/navigator.css), I see those same lines one line further down (i.e. at lines 38-44) and the style sheet is 902 lines long. I wouldn't expect the *Modern* theme to be very different across platforms. Yet this is the "trunk" version. Best regards, Tony. Thank you Tony. You spotted the source of the problem if not the exact cause. I'm not sure how/why this occurred but I was using Classic Default as a theme. Switching to SeaMonkey Default removed the errors and reverting to Classic Default returned them. I guess I'll stay with SeaMonkey Default. If this classifies as a bug, maybe you can report it. Robert I can't report it because I can't reproduce it: in my version of SeaMonkey, the only built-in themes are "SeaMonkey default" and "Modern", and neither of them gives me that bug. If you think it worthwhile, you should report it yourself, since only you can give all details of what you did and what happened. If that "Classic default" theme you mention was not distributed built-in with SeaMonkey (if it was something you installed separately), then you should complain to the theme author, i.e. not to Mozilla unless the author *was* Mozilla. (And you may or may not know that bugs for Mozilla products including SeaMonkey are reported at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ , that you need to register -- or, if you already did, to make sure you are logged-in -- before you can open a new bug, and that the cost of registering is $0.00.) Best regards, Tony. -- Men's skin is different from women's skin. It is usually bigger, and it has more snakes tattooed on it. Also, if you examine a woman's skin very closely, inch by inch, starting at her shapely ankles, then gently tracing the slender curve of her calves, then moving up to her ... [EDITOR'S NOTE: To make room for news articles about important world events such as agriculture, we're going to delete the next few square feet of the woman's skin. Thank you.] ... until finally the two of you are lying there, spent, smoking your cigarettes, and suddenly it hits you: Human skin is actually made up of billions of tiny units of protoplasm, called "cells"! And what is even more interesting, the ones on the outside are all dying! This is a fact. Your skin is like an aggressive modern corporation, where the older veteran cells, who have finally worked their way to the top and obtained offices with nice views, are constantly being shoved out the window head first, without so much as a pension plan, by younger hotshot cells moving up from below. -- Dave Barry, "Saving Face" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What do these SeaMonkey errors mean?
On 09/04/11 16:20, Robert Gault wrote: I clear the SeaMonkey 2.0.13 error console, set the home page to Blank Page, and leave SeaMonkey. The next time SeaMonkey is started, the error console shows five warnings: Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'. chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 615 Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'. chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 616 Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'. chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 617 Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'. chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 619 Unrecognized at-rule or error parsing at-rule '@import'. chrome://navigator/skin/navigator.css Line: 914 Lines 615-619 @import url("chrome://navigator/content/navigator.css"); @import url("chrome://communicator/skin/"); @import url("chrome://communicator/skin/bookmarks/bookmarksToolbar.css"); @namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul";); Line 914 white-space: -moz-pre-wrap; Are these known bugs or is my installation at fault? WinXP SP3 Home system There ought to be nothing before an @import rule, except maybe comments, blank lines, and other @import rules (this is a W3C requirement on the CSS @import rule syntax). More than six hundred lines with only comments and other @import rules in them sounds a little bizarre to me. What theme are you using? These errors seem (IIUC) to point to a navigator.css file in your theme, but (AFAICT) the one in my SeaMonkey default skin (but it's a trunk build, 2.2a1pre not 2.0.13) has a "License block" as a comment at lines 1-37, line 38 is empty, and the three @import lines, empty line, and @namespace line which you quote are at lines 39-43. The whole file (seen in Vim on Linux as zipfile:/usr/local/seamonkey/omni.jar::chrome/classic/skin/classic/navigator/navigator.css) is 716 lines long. But then the Linux default theme might be different from the Windows default theme. In the Modern theme's navigator.css (zipfile:/usr/local/seamonkey/extensions/mod...@themes.mozilla.org.xpi::chrome/modern/skin/modern/navigator/navigator.css), I see those same lines one line further down (i.e. at lines 38-44) and the style sheet is 902 lines long. I wouldn't expect the *Modern* theme to be very different across platforms. Yet this is the "trunk" version. Best regards, Tony. -- Why do we have two eyes? To watch 3-D movies with. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
On 09/04/11 14:30, WLS wrote: [...] I like Tony's multirow tab bar. WLS I just uploaded my current SeaMonkey userChrome.css as http://users.skynet.be/antoine.mechelynck/other/userChrome-seamonkey.css That file lives in the chrome subfolder of the profile, and doesn't exist by default. Rename it to userChrome.css and (re)start SeaMonkey in order to use it. You may want to eyeball it and make some changes, perhaps with the help of the DOM Inspector. Best regards, Tony. -- Q: Why do ducks have flat feet? A: To stamp out forest fires. Q: Why do elephants have flat feet? A: To stamp out flaming ducks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b3 User Interface Changes
On 09/04/11 04:31, NoOp wrote: On 04/08/2011 06:43 PM, WLS wrote: [...] Did you know SeaMonkey had tabs on top before all the browsers? Just collapse all the tool bars and you will see what I mean. Yes, I am going out on a limb with that statement. You are as I've never seen tabs on top. Got a screenshot of tabs on top with SeaMonkey? :-) http://users.skynet.be/antoine.mechelynck/other/tabs-on-top.png The multirow tab bar is an enhancement from my userChrome.css -- you may disregard it if what interests you is only the "tabs on top in SeaMonkey" concept. Best regards, Tony. -- "No, `Eureka' is Greek for `This bath is too hot.'" -- Dr. Who ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey with Thunderbird and Firefox?
On 07/04/11 05:18, Jay O'Brien wrote: I would like to install Thunderbird and Firefox in addition to SeaMonkey so that I can verify ISP and server problems with "supported" applications and avoid the support personnel finger pointing to the "unsupported" and unknown to them "SeaMonkey". My ISP has an intermittent SMTP problem I've tried to get them to fix, they say it is my unsupported mail client. My bank had an access problem they blamed on SeaMonkey, but the Bank ultimately fixed their problem. I would like to be able to avoid these issues, but I want to continue to use SeaMonkey. Is it possible to install Thunderbird in addition to SeaMonkey so that it will use the SeaMonkey profile and mail files? Is it possible to install Firefox in addition to SeaMonkey and have it use the SeaMonkey profile, password, and bookmark files? It is my desire to be able to use Thunderbird or Firefox when troubleshooting a problem, thus avoiding the support folks blaming SeaMonkey for the problem being reviewed. Help Please? Jay O'Brien Folsom, California First, the bad news: - You can NEVER use one profile in more than one program instance at a time. - Normally you shouldn't use a single profile in different applications, there may be incompatibilities between them. For instance in the past, Firefox moved its bookmarks from bookmark.htm (or something) to places.sqlite much earlier than SeaMonkey did. Some preferences may have different meanings or different defaults. And so on. (Whenever a Mozilla app sees that a preference has been set to what has now become the current default, it omits the preference when saving at closedown. The next time the default changes, you'll get the new default. Now if a Boolean pref defaults to true in Firefox and to false in SeaMonkey... YSWIM.) - It *is* possible to run Firefox and/or SeaMonkey and/or Thunderbird all at the same time, but each with its own profile. You might even set up the same mail accounts in SeaMonkey and Thunderbird, but in that case, if it's a POP3 server, you'll probably want one of them to "Leave mail on server". (For IMAP4 leaving mail on server is the normal behaviour.) Similarly you may define the same bookmarks and passwords in the *different* profiles used by SeaMonkey and Firefox. And now the good news: - With Firefox 4 (or later), SeaMonkey 2.1 beta (or later), you may use Sync to synchronise passwords, bookmarks, etc. between different profiles, even between Firefox (for desktop/laptop), Firefox-mobile (for smartphone) and SeaMonkey. On recent builds, you don't even need an extension for that. Best regards, Tony. -- If I could drop dead right now, I'd be the happiest man alive! -- Samuel Goldwyn ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Tab Browsing
On 03/04/11 23:29, Danny Kile wrote: Tab Browsing, my browser use to open a new tab to the right of the active tab. It now open all the way to the right. I can not seem to find the setting where I controlled this. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Danny IIUC it's the preference browser.tabs.insertRelatedAfterCurrent (in about:config ). Depending on your browser version, there may or may not be a checkbox or radiobutton for it somewhere under Edit → Preferences. _Possible values_ true = right of parent false = at far right The doc ( http://kb.mozillazine.org/About:config_entries then search for "browser. tabs. insertRelatedAfterCurrent" without the quotes but with a space after each full stop) says the default is true in Fx4.0 and later, false in Fx3.6, not governed by a pref (and always behaves like "false") in Fx3.5 and earlier, doesn't say whether it applies also to SeaMonkey (but the pref exists and defaults to true in my Sm2.2a1pre). _Version equivalence_ (disregarding sub-versions, alpha/beta, etc., and also obsolete versions) Gecko Firefox SeaMonkey 1.9.1 3.5 2.0 1.9.2 3.6 n/a 2.0 4.0 2.1 2.2 4.2 2.2 Note that prefs which happen to be set at their default value are forgotten, with the result that if you switch back and forth between two versions which have different defaults for a boolean pref, that pref's setting will be forgotten: the pref will be "forced to default" and will thereafter behave according to whatever is the current default. See http://kb.mozillazine.org/User.js for a possible workaround. Best regards, Tony. -- Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped. -- Elbert Hubbard ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail Outbox
On 29/03/11 17:44, JohnW-Mpls wrote: On my SM Mail page, the Local Folder has an Outbox. Is the operation of that Outbox described anywhere? I did not find it in Help. A few weeks ago I started to send 4 messages with similar content to 4 different addresses every day and the Outbox is handy for mailing all four about the same time each day. To separate things, I copied the Outbox icon from under the Local Folder to under the "4 massage" account so releasing affects only that 4. Well, the Outbox looks pretty there but it's totally worthless - can't get anything into it, or out of it, nor even delete the dumb icon. So help: any way to use an Outbox per account? Or, how can I delete that excess Icon? Take what I say below with a grain of salt: I'm certain of nothing. I *think* that the Outbox is used to store temporarily messages on which you have clicked "Send" but whose sending has not yet either succeeded or failed. Maybe it is needed, but only for internal use by the mailer. I *think* that a folder (which may be called Outbox if your locale is English, but also something else if you're in a different locale) is "an outbox" is marked by flags set on that folder. Perhaps there is some extension to help you see those flags, or even manipulate them. Best regards, Tony. -- Really heard in court in the U.S.A.: Q.: Doctor, is it really true that when someone dies while sleeping, he or she doesn't realize it until the next morning? A.: Is it really true that you passed your exams before being admitted to the Bar? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: How do I send saved messages as an attachment?
On 28/03/11 22:40, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: [...] Weird -- I just tried it myself and the two files had slightly different sizes. Wonder what's going on... If the difference in size is equal to the number of lines, it could be because text sent by mail MUST be in Dos/Windows format (with both CR and LF, or 0x0D 0x0A, at the end of every line) and the mailer will convert it if necessary; while text stored on a Unix computer is usually in Unix format (LF only, or 0x0A without 0x0D). IIUC (but I might be wrong) the Mac convention used to be CR alone but on Mac OS X the Unix conventions are used. Best regards, Tony. -- Rule of Feline Frustration: When your cat has fallen asleep on your lap and looks utterly content and adorable, you will suddenly have to go to the bathroom. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does Seamonkey use latest Firefox "engine"?
On 28/03/11 03:34, NoOp wrote: On 03/27/2011 01:18 AM, Stereotactic wrote: On 03/27/2011 01:45 PM, Stéphane Grégoire wrote: Hi, Stereotactic a tapoté, le 27/03/2011 06:43: Does Sea Monkey use the firefox "rendering engine"? I can say : Seamonkey 2.0 ~ Thunderbird 3.0 + Firefox 3.5 Seamonkey 2.1 ~ Thunderbird 3.3 + Firefox 4.0 Where can I download the latest build? Does this have a ppa for Ubuntu 10.10? I'd be more than happy to report bugs and assist around here on the lists. PPA - Joe is quite reliable: https://launchpad.net/~seamonkey2/+archive/seamonkey-2-test However, its just as easy to down load from http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/2.1b2 http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1b2/ extract to a home folder& run from there. Be aware that many/most of your extensions etc will *not* work (including lightning) unless you know how to modify the extension files. ...or which pref to create in about:config to forbid auto-disabling of incompatible addons. Lightning 1.0b4pre is compatible with SeaMonkey 2.2a1pre (and, I think, also with 2.1b3pre): it works quite well, even without a compatibility override. Were I you, I wouldn't count on the Ubuntu maintainers for valid updates/maintenance: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/seamonkey You can see that even Natty (yet to be released) is still at 2.0.11+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu2 and IMO the Ubuntu "maintainers" are not only non-existent, but are also negligent as they've added no security patches/updates in 14 weeks. You're better off relying on Joe Leskow, or using the builds directly from Mozilla. Anything "mozilla" on Unbuntu outside of Firefox or Thunderbird is both suspect and unmaintained. Best regards, Tony. -- This life is a test. It is only a test. Had this been an actual life, you would have received further instructions as to what to do and where to go. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Some thoughts
On 28/03/11 01:22, Ray_Net wrote: Stereotactic wrote: . AAs I understand it, the volunteers working on SeaMonkey a in the process of making thie mail & Newsgroup screen become a tab in the browser but not quite there yet. I have zero coding skills :( But I am very keen to work for the browser. Please tell me where to start from; I'd be glad to assist (just have some prior academic commitments though- but should be over by end of this month:) And yes, that would be great. No ! I prefer to have mails&News separated ... Oh, even if it becomes a tab, you can always open that tab in a new window. I guess though, that having a browser URL bar on top of the 3-pane MailNews window would take some getting used to. Best regards, Tony. -- "My country, right or wrong," is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying, "My mother, drunk or sober." -- G. K. Chesterton ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Back and Forward buttons don't work
On 27/03/11 14:45, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Daniel wrote: Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote: Alex wrote: [snip] The clicked email link opens in a new window but I don't want to go back to email but start navigating within the browser and it doesn't work. So then, I've already answered your question. You open the clicked link in a new window. There are no links in this window to go back to. If you want to "navigate" from there, you'll have to click on a link in the page's content somewhere .. a menu or whatever .. or type something in the location bar .. but there are *no* back links in the history of that window (or forward links until you've gone somewhere else and then back). Alex, if I read between the lines a bit, maybe you mean that you have a browser page open, then clicking on the link replaces the web site you were at and you are wanting to get back to the page that you had open. I thought that might be possible, so is why I asked the pointed question. To which he answered: "The clicked email link opens in a new window". Since new windows have no history yet, it is what fits. :-) There are two possible solutions that jump to my mind: * If you change your preferences to open the link in the same tab, the Back and Forward buttons will work as expected. * If you install the "Duplicate This Tab" extension, you'll be able to click right on a link, then "Open Link in Duplicated Tab" which will duplicate the history, allowing you to use Back and Forward in the new tab. The same extension offers, by right-clicking on a tab in the tab bar, "Duplicate to New Window", which copies that tab, with its history, to a new window, and "Detach Tab", which moves the tab (with its history) out of its current window and into a new one. Best regards, Tony. -- New York is real. The rest is done with mirrors. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Thank you, SeaMonkey developers.
On 27/03/11 18:25, Dano wrote: On Mar 23, 8:25 am, Stan wrote: I'd like to express my appreciation to all the developers and others who have devoted themselves to keeping SeaMonkey alive and still the most logical way for integrating browser, mail, newsgroups, and other things. I started in 1997 with Netscape and thanks to so many of you I am still going strong on that path with SeaMonkey. Thank you again for making this possible. Stan Pierce Hey Stan... Thanks for stating this publicly. I whole-heartedly agree with your comments. I have been using Netscape, and then SeaMonkey for many years. I have encouraged a number of my friends to use it as well. One of my "selling points" is that hackers and virus writers go for the "more popular" or "better known" browsers. SeaMonkey is not one of those, so I'm convinced that it (we) are not in their line of fire. Thnx...Dano Maybe, maybe not. The Gecko rendering engine is common to Firefox, Thunderbird and SeaMonkey, remember, so exploits targeting Firefox could conceivably hit (Thunderbird HTML and) SeaMonkey as well. It is true though, that MSIE and Windows still have the bigger share of the worldwide market, so on SeaMonkey on Linux I don't feel like being near the center of the enemy's fire. Best regards, Tony. -- "But what we need to know is, do people want nasally-insertable computers?" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Does Seamonkey use latest Firefox "engine"?
On 27/03/11 06:43, Stereotactic wrote: Hi! I am new here so please excuse my naivette. Does Sea Monkey use the firefox "rendering engine"? If yes, what does it take to use the latest Firefox 4 and combine it with thunderbird code base to give best of both the worlds in Sea Monkey? I had earlier used it but found it to be slower than FF 3.6 so dropped the idea. With release of FF 4, I am excited to use "ALL IN ONE" app. What is the way forward? Thanks! With SeaMonkey 2.1x and later, it's easy to know which Firefox version is built on the same version of the Gecko rendering engine as your current SeaMonkey version: if you have "Advertise Firefox compatibility" ticked in your "Advanced / HTTP Networking" preferences (which is the default), you'll see the equivalent Firefox version mentioned on the last line of Help => About SeaMonkey, for instance like this: * Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.2a1pre) Gecko/20110327 Firefox/4.2a1pre SeaMonkey/2.2a1pre This is the latest "bleeding-edge" nightly I'm using, and I'm happy with it; but as Robert Kaiser said, there are unfixed bugs in it -- apparently in parts I'm not using, but YMMV. For slightly "more conservative" testing, SeaMonkey 2.1, equivalent to Firefox 4.0, also includes this "Firefox version" feature. Its "beta 2" version (SeaMonkey 2.1b2) has been released around Valentine's day, or you can get the latest SeaMonkey 2.1 nightlies from http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/nightly/latest-comm-2.0/ (or latest-comm-2.0-l10n if you want menus & messages in some language other than United States English). Best regards, Tony. -- Quick!! Act as if nothing has happened! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: For those who upgraded their AdBlock Plus to v1.3.5 in SM v2.0.x... (P.S.)
On 27/03/11 22:57, Tony Mechelynck wrote: On 27/03/11 16:43, Ant wrote: Hello! I just upgraded my AdBlock Plus extension v1.3.3 to v1.3.5 in Mozilla's SeaMonkey v1.3.5 and restarted it. Then, I noticed its new toolbar icon in Mail & Newsgroups window: http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1139/mailandnewssm2013abp135.jpg ... Did anyone else get this too? I saw this in my old, updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 machine. I did not see this problem in my Debian/Linux computer though. I posted my issue in ABP's forum: https://adblockplus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7217 just in case. I wanted to see if other SM2 users have this problem too or if it was just me. Thank you in advance. :) Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.2a1pre) Gecko/20110327 Firefox/4.2a1pre SeaMonkey/2.2a1pre ID:20110327003001 Now that you mention it, I see the Adblock Plus icon in the MailNews window. I don't see it as a problem; in fact, to me it would be normal for Adblock Plus to "do its stuff" in HTML mail, or in RSS articles, or in the "Mail Start Page", all of which are in HTML and may appear in the preview pane of the 3-pane window. And since I don't regard it as a problem, I couldn't say when that icon first appeared. Best regards, Tony. P.S.: Ah, sorry, you meant in the toolbar, not in the statusbar. I have "Show in Toolbar" unchecked in my ABP preferences, so I don't see the icon in any toolbar, and also not on the buttons customization palette. But of course if I checked it it would appear either in a toolbar or in the palette on every window where I now have the ABP icon in the bottom right corner. Best regards, Tony. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 38. You wake up at 3 a.m. to go to the bathroom and stop and check your e-mail on the way back to bed. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: For those who upgraded their AdBlock Plus to v1.3.5 in SM v2.0.x...
On 27/03/11 16:43, Ant wrote: Hello! I just upgraded my AdBlock Plus extension v1.3.3 to v1.3.5 in Mozilla's SeaMonkey v1.3.5 and restarted it. Then, I noticed its new toolbar icon in Mail & Newsgroups window: http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1139/mailandnewssm2013abp135.jpg ... Did anyone else get this too? I saw this in my old, updated Windows XP Pro. SP3 machine. I did not see this problem in my Debian/Linux computer though. I posted my issue in ABP's forum: https://adblockplus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7217 just in case. I wanted to see if other SM2 users have this problem too or if it was just me. Thank you in advance. :) Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.2a1pre) Gecko/20110327 Firefox/4.2a1pre SeaMonkey/2.2a1pre ID:20110327003001 Now that you mention it, I see the Adblock Plus icon in the MailNews window. I don't see it as a problem; in fact, to me it would be normal for Adblock Plus to "do its stuff" in HTML mail, or in RSS articles, or in the "Mail Start Page", all of which are in HTML and may appear in the preview pane of the 3-pane window. And since I don't regard it as a problem, I couldn't say when that icon first appeared. Best regards, Tony. -- U: There's a U -- a Unicorn! Run right up and rub its horn. Look at all those points you're losing! UMBER HULKS are so confusing. -- The Roguelet's ABC ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Future of PPC support in Seamonkey
On 27/03/11 00:34, PhillipJones wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Adam Jimerson wrote: Unless something has changed Seamonkey 2.1 is still no long compatible with PPC correct? Correct. The platform SM 2.1 will be based on, Mozilla 2.0, dropped PPC support. 1. Is this so important ... dropping PPC support ? 2. BTW What is PPC ? PowerPC that used a RISC Processor from Motorola Yes it important I just updated to Intel Machine only 3 weeks ago. And it cost me a good 6 thousand to do so. Counting the Computer and the Software. Just updating Software has cost me about 2-2.5 K. Not everyone can afford to upgrade. I really can't I had to dig into my retirement fund to do. When your 62 (Monday the 28th) and already. Thousands? Dollars, presumably? Good gracious! Sounds totally out of proportion to me -- but what do I know? I don't use my computer to write synthetic music or to produce complex computer-assisted 3D drawings, not to mention animation movies. A week or two ago I upgraded my Linux tower to a twin-core 2.8 GHz x86_64 (Pentium 4) with 2GiB RAM in a somewhat smaller case than the older one and it cost me (including a laser printer) a mere couple of hundred euros. Yes, hundreds, not thousands; but I already had a working keyboard, screen and ADSL interface which could be fitted to the new machine. I even brought back into service a couple of speakers which had been collecting dust on top of a shelf for at least five years. Software cost me exactly 0.00€; even the download volume for the x86_64 version of the OS, and then for the next release, did not (and by far) exceed my monthly allowance (above which my pay-by-month Internet contract becomes 1€ per additional gigabyte). As for horsepower, this machine handles over 150 browser tabs, plus mailnews, chat, and CD audio playback, all at the same time with no apparent problem -- my CPUs seem to be typically some 60% idle. 10.7 Lion will be even more of a shock. there will be absolutely no scintilla of PowerPC code. In fact Universal Binary will be a thing of the pass as even Rosetta will be removed. So I ill have even more apps That I will have to replace. Eventually this update will likely cost me 10K over time. But computer makers and software designers don't care about financial hardships , what they do impose upon Users. The days of using a Pencil and paper are gone. And its costly own a Computer. Sure you can get a 2-400 dollar computer at WalMart. But if you want to do more than get on the internet. You better have something with some horsepower. And, horsepower takes Dough. Apple use to to the most expensive Computers. But I've been in a computer store here that sells Dell and other PCs and there are some Dells that cost as much Macs. Best regards, Tony. -- Really heard in court in the U.S.A.: Q.: Are you sexually active? A.: No, I let my partner take the initiative. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Seamonkey No Longer Working
On 26/03/11 14:52, The Devil wrote: I have downloaded the latest version 2.0.13 and since then Seamonkey has stopped working. I cannot access any websites seamonkey just hangs at the loading screen. I therefore reloaded 2.0.12 and am encountering the same problem. I have been using Seamonkey for many years and am frustrated and disappointed that such a good browser is no longer funtional. Something must have happened, probably something that you did, but the way you tell it it's hard to say what, or to reproduce the problem. More details would be welcome; or if you have the time you might also want to read "How to Ask Questions the Smart Way" at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Best regards, Tony. -- My mother loved children -- she would have given anything if I had been one. -- Groucho Marx ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Using Lightning with shared calendars (Linux)
On 24/03/11 23:49, Bill Davidsen wrote: Is there any documentation which doesn't assume you are using Windows or that you knew the answer before you asked the question? I would like to set up a site calendar and use a google calender, which would be a total of three, the UID on the local machine, the shared calendar for the site on all my machines, and my google calendar. I do not have windows, exchange, Microsoft software, or any desire to change that. I find (really) about 100 links telling me to select new->calendar->network and the location of the calendar, but no way to guess what location or format it wants, or where google stores their calendar. I can skip that and run my own on site if I can find out what the calendar server program is. Is this (a) very hard, or (b) documented by Windows people and gurus? In the development cycle, Lightning skipped Gecko 1.9.1 while SeaMonkey skipped 1.9.2. This means that there is no Lightning version which officially supports SeaMonkey 2.0.x. OTOH, the latest Lightning nightlies are compatible with the latest SeaMonkey nightlies (SeaMonkey 2.1b3pre and maybe even 2.2a1pre), since both are based on Gecko 2.x. If you want read-write access to a Google calendar, you need to install the "Provider for Google Calendar" (gdata-provider.xpi) extension compiled from the same sources as your Lightning version. Both can be found together in the appropriate subfolder of ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/ (for nightly builds) or of ftp://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/releases/ (for release builds). OTOH, if read-only access is enough, and especially if the Google calendar owner shares it with "anyone", you can define your Google calendar to Lightning as an ICS calendar *instead* of as a Google calendar. In this case the Provider for Google Calendar is not necessary. In both cases I recommend to use the "ICAL" URL found as follows: in the drop-down found next to the calendar name on the Google "Calendar" page, select "Share this Calendar", then near top left of the next page, "Calendar details", and after that click right and "Copy Link Location" on one of the two green ICAL buttons near the bottom. The "Private Address" is for use only by the owner of the calendar while the "Calendar Address" above it is for use by anyone who has been given access to it. The difference between read-write access (with gdata-provider.xpi installed) and read-only access (with or without it) is that you select either "Google calendar" or "ICS/ICAL calendar" in the first popup when "creating" a new calendar in Lightning. See also https://wiki.mozilla.org/Calendar:GDATA_Provider Best regards, Tony. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 37. You start looking for hot HTML addresses in public restrooms. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spoofing with SM 2.1
On 24/03/11 22:15, NoOp wrote: On 03/24/2011 10:05 AM, David E. Ross wrote: I am using SM 2.0.12. My bank's Web site is sniffing for "Firefox" in a strange way. If I use the UA string Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.17) Gecko/20110123 SeaMonkey/2.0.12, NOT Firefox/3.6.15 or the UA string Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.17) Gecko/20110123 SeaMonkey/2.0.12 Firefox/3.6.15 (without the ", NOT"), I still have a problem. If I use the UA string Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.15) Gecko/20110303 Firefox/3.6.1 or the UA string Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.17) Gecko/20110123 NOT Firefox/3.6.15 BUT INSTEAD SeaMonkey/2.0.12, the problem goes away. Apparently "Firefox" has to be found before "SeaMonkey". What is the sequence for SM 2.1? If it has "SeaMonkey" before "Firefox", how can I switch them? 2.1b2 has: Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b11) Gecko/20110209 Firefox/4.0b11 SeaMonkey/2.1b2 Yes, and one of the latest nightlies has (on my machine): Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.2a1pre) Gecko/20110325 Firefox/4.2a1pre SeaMonkey/2.2a1pre This is the default. It is possible to remove the Firefox/something part via a preference (under Advanced => HTTP networking) but apparently you wouldn't even need that. Also see: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Gecko_user_agent_string_reference Best regards, Tony. -- Real computer scientists don't write code. They occasionally tinker with `programming systems', but those are so high level that they hardly count (and rarely count accurately; precision is for applications.) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Future of PPC support in Seamonkey
On 26/03/11 02:12, Rufus wrote: No, but I will - thanks for the pointer. I think I'd prefer Safari to FireFox, and TB would be a fair companion to it as a newsreader. Right now I use SM...and I may just hang in there with it once PPC support vanishes. I imagine Apple will do the same with Safari at some point. Hm... Have you tinkered with your user-agent, or are you maybe on a different machine? Your newsreader identifies itself as User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.18) Gecko/20110320 SeaMonkey/2.0.13 i.e., as running on an Intel Mac. Best regards, Tony. -- It is better for civilization to be going down the drain than to be coming up it. -- Henry Allen ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Thank you, SeaMonkey developers.
On 23/03/11 20:00, PhillipJones wrote: [...] I will use SM as my preferred Browser and Email/News Client and FF3.6.x as my back up Browser. I'm not going to ff4 I've tried the beta just put out. And it’s a bunch of junk. Personally, I wouldn't say that Fx4 is just a bunch of junk, though time and again (starting at Fx1 and possibly earlier) I've seen the Firefox guys change some perfectly working parts of the UI, just for the sake of gadgetry. OTOH, SeaMonkey has profited by what's good in Firefox, while at the same time leaving aside the useless gadgetry: for instance, in Sm2.0 the Preferences backend underwent a complete overhaul to bring it in line with the Toolkit backend used on Fx&Tb (picking up a "real" extensions manager as an important side benefit), while at the same time conserving the functional, no-nonsense Preferences look&feel which dates back to Netscape 4.7 and, I suppose, earlier. Sync is now an integral part of SeaMonkey, even allowing synching between SeaMonkey and Firefox, though of course in SeaMonkey we don't call it "Firefox" Sync. The throbber link was kept when the Firefox guys gratuitously removed it. The DOM Inspector and ChatZilla components are still distributed with SeaMonkey, while in Firefox they are separate extensions. SeaMonkey nightlies have even got a built-in "Debug & QA UI" component which AFAIK is not even available to Firefox testers. The status bar is still there in SeaMonkey, even with a button for each of Browser, Mail, Composer, Address Book and Chat, while the Fx guys seemingly jumped through hoops in order to have a status bar which is both present and absent. The tabs are still where they belong, presenting an obvious material boundary between what comes from the website (the "content") and what comes from the browser (the "chrome")... And so on and so forth. Best regards, Tony. -- 'Twas the nocturnal segment of the diurnal period preceding the annual Yuletide celebration, And throughout our place of residence, Kinetic activity was not in evidence among the possessors of this potential, including that species of domestic rodent known as Mus musculus. Hosiery was meticulously suspended from the forward edge of the woodburning caloric apparatus, Pursuant to our anticipatory pleasure regarding an imminent visitation from an eccentric philanthropist among whose folkloric appelations is the honorific title of St. Nicklaus ... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: where is bookmarks.html?
On 09/01/11 00:29, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 1/8/11 9:08 AM, adse...@br0wn.co.uk wrote: I just came back to seamonkey with 2.011. A while ago I used 1.1.18 and the bookmarks.html file was tucked away in c:\documents and setting\application data\mozilla\sea monkey\profiles I like to put it in my daily autobackup. While with the new seamonkey I can use export to create a bookmarks.html, I can't file the current file anywhere. Where have they hidden it? Are you sure you have SeaMonkey 2.0.11 and not some beta SeaMonkey 2.1x? In SeaMonkey 2.0.x (including 2.0.11), bookmarks are in the file bookmarks.html in your profile directory. In SeaMonkey 2.1, bookmarks will be in a SQLite database in your profile directory, not in a text .html file. Database files have the extension .sqlite (of course). I'm not sure, but I think bookmarks will be in places.sqlite. Another good reason to stay in 2.0.x Why they put this txt file into a file that cannot be used by notepad.exe ? They rewrote the way bookmarks are handled: it isn't text anymore, it's a database. You can sill export the bookmarks that are in that database to a bookmarks.html file, but you have to ask for it (by opening the Bookmarks Manager, then "Tools => Export HTML" in it). Best regards, Tony. -- For those who like this sort of thing, this is the sort of thing they like. -- Abraham Lincoln ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
On 30/12/10 04:26, NoOp wrote: On 12/29/2010 06:33 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 12/29/2010 5:07 PM, Ricardo Palomares Martínez wrote: - will provisions be made for importing/exporting lightning calendars? That's my biggest concern, too.:-) Lightning is an extension, one which does not directly provide support for SeaMonkey, and is also [last I knew] currently targeting Gecko 1.9.2 which there was and is no SeaMonkey release on. We as the Council hopes there is a suitable solution for lightning users, and will support the efforts where possible, but I do not foresee anyone from the SeaMonkey team devoting direct time to get export/import improved in the near future. Then you'd be seriously mistaken. Users have spent considerable time& effort integrating lightning calendars& data into their systems. If you think that there was backlash with SM 1.1.x and forms, wait until they try 2.1 and try backing down to 2.0 and realize that their calendars no longer are compatible. http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=1248265 <http://mozilla-xp.com/mozilla.dev.apps.seamonkey/Please-help-testing-For-SeaMonkey-2.1-Alpha-1-candidates> The solution is mentioned there too: don't use in-profile calendars (in the proprietary Mozilla format), export them (or create them) as *.ics calendars somewhere else on your HD. In that format they should even be compatible with the no-longer-supported Sunbird program. I *highly* recommend that the "Council" sort out the issues (personal and technical) with the SeaMonkey& Lightning folks *before* any SM 2.1 release. If you don't then I suspect that you'll continue to lose space with MS Office& other browser/calendar integration offerings. IMO seamless Lightning integration with SeaMonkey is critical to SeaMonkey's future. The main problem with Lightning is that *Lightning* is practically a one-man operation, and a busy man at that. Alas for us, he cannot afford to dedicate all his time to Lightning, so fixes to Lightning bugs (sometimes including bugs very annoying to the users) take their own (long) time coming. The SeaMonkey guys can do nothing about that, they have enough on their hands keeping SeaMonkey working. Best regards, Tony. -- Christian, n.: One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. One who follows the teachings of Christ in so far as they are not inconsistent with a life of sin. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey 2.0 Maintenence Mode?
On 31/12/10 04:16, NoOp wrote: [...] OK, it was marked as RESOLVED as in: This bug has been marked as a duplicate of bug 613199 *** https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613199 Status: RESOLVED FIXED Product:SeaMonkey Hence, it was technically marked as FIXED. <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_activity.cgi?id=531210> At bugzilla.mozilla.org, FIXED means fixed-on-trunk. There are also some flags and keywords to indicate that, in addition, a bug has been fixed on some other branch. In your OP you asked, what good is there in staying with SeaMonkey? That's for every user to judge for him- or herself. The fact that this product is maintained by a small group of unpaid volunteers, as an all-in-one Suite uniting a Firefox-like browser, a Thunderbird-like mail/news/RSS client, a chat client, and more, all in a single executable program and the libraries that go with it, will be seen by some as an advantage, by others as a blemish. Myself, I have in the past felt as "just a number" in the mass of not-listened-to users of Firefox, where features on which I depended have repeatedly been sacked by the developers, for no good reason or for some obviously false reason (like "no one uses it" and "it is not discoverable" for something -the throbber link- that I had discovered without help, and used). With SeaMonkey, in my experience, the developers listen better to what the users have to say — or maybe I'm lulling myself with illusions and have just found a group of developers with the same values as mine; anyway I feel more at home with SeaMonkey than I ever did with Firefox (or, worse, with Konqueror or of course with Internet Explorer). But the SeaMonkey developers are fewer than Firefox's, none of them is paid by Mozilla (unlike Firefox's), and they don't have as many machines at their disposal as are used to maintain three or four parallel branches of the Firefox code: with SeaMonkey, it seems that two's the limit: one trunk undergoing active development, and in a kind of "state of flux", continually changing especially when labeled "alpha" or even "beta", and one "stable" branch whose behaviour will not fundamentally change between one day and the next or even one month and the next: this gives extension developers some confidence that it is worth their while to develop extensions for it, but it also means no new features. Bugs, however, especially important bugs, still get fixed, even on the "stable" branch, if a fix can be found for them. Of course, it can happen that, for some bug, no fix is found (yet): then of course that bug doesn't (yet) get fixed. So, make your own choice: it may be other than mine (I've been using SeaMonkey trunk nightlies for some time even if, unlike WLS, I have problems getting Lightning to work with them) because you are not me; that's why it's important to *have* a choice, one thing to which the not-for-profit Mozilla Foundation is dedicated. Best regards, Tony. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 5. You find yourself brainstorming for new subjects to search. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [OT] Happy New Year
On 01/01/11 06:52, Ed Mullen wrote: NoOp wrote: To all SeaMonkey devs, contributors, users, complainers, curmudgeons, testers& even Thunderbird& Firefox folks, et al: Happy New Year& Best Wishes for 2011. May the red haired Mozilla stepchild live a long& eventual prosperous life :-) Special thanks to 'stressed out Kairo', Neil, Jens, Phillip, Rich, Manuel, Chris& other devs/contributors that I've failed to mention& have somehow managed to keep SeaMonkey together. Your efforts are indeed appreciated. Indeed. A Happy New Year to all. and a happy year 2011 to all the people mentioned above, including the ones who were forgotten. 2011? Cripes. I remember when 1990 seemed like a big deal. 1990? A few months before I first laid hands on a computer (a big and fast mainframe: as big as my whole today's apartment, with 128K of memory and a 667 kHz processor), it was Flower Power, Woodstock in the USA, Mai 68 in Paris, Make Love Not War, "Il est interdit d'interdire", etc. *That* looked like a big deal. Oh well, I must look like a doddering grandpa by now — where I live, the neighbours' children call me "Papa Noël" (which translates as 'Santa Claus' or 'Father Christmas' etc.). Best wishes, Tony. -- Nasrudin walked into a shop one day, and the owner came forward to serve him. Nasrudin said, "First things first. Did you see me walk into your shop?" "Of course." "Have you ever seen me before?" "Never." "Then how do you know it was me?" ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: OT: FF to Offer "Do Not Track" in browser...
On 24/12/10 20:34, David E. Ross wrote: On 12/24/10 11:06 AM, Tony Mechelynck wrote: On 22/12/10 23:04, David E. Ross wrote: [...] By the way, because my cable modem is always on, it has the effect of giving me a static IP address. Every so often, I force a new IP address. Hm. My ISP (Belgacom Skynet of Belgium; what is yours if you don't mind sharing the info?) disconnects me forcibly whenever my modem has been connected continuously for 36 hours (± 1 second). At other times (in practice rarely) I may of course get a new IP address by turning the DSL interface off then on from a root console prompt. Best regards, Tony. My cable modem is connected to Road Runner, a unit of Time Warner Cable. It has no on/off switch. Even when my PC is powered off, the modem is still connected to the Internet. To disconnect it, I have to pull the plug on the power cord or physically disconnect the cable. Road Runner said I should get a new IP address if I disconnect for at least 15 minutes. Alternatively, they suggested the use of ipconfig, for which I created the following DOS script: chdir C:\WINDOWS\system32 ipconfig.exe /all Pause "Old IP" ipconfig /release ipconfig /renew ipconfig.exe /all Pause "New IP" However, to run this script, I have to connect my PC directly to the modem instead of connecting through my router. The router creates a LAN for my PC and my wife's PC. I tested this, and the script was not effective while my PC was connected through the router to the modem. Doing anything with the router or modem is a bother. They are in an attic storage area that I can reach only if I move my printer stand. Aha. My modem has no on/off switch either but it is at one end of an Ethernet cable (one meter long maybe) whose other end plugs into my "floortop" PC. No router (and no wife — for better or worse, I'm celibate). So (under Linux and in a root console) ifdown dsl0 ifup dsl0 and optionally (before and/or after) ifconfig is enough for me to get a new IP address. Quite similar to what your script does, after one allows for differences between Windows and Unix/Linux. And I don't have any attic — each apartment here (or should I say each flat?) is one not very big floor, the attic is used by a cellphone relay station (which radiates mostly in a horizontal plane, I've had the radiation measured in my apart to make sure it doesn't leak). Have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Tony. -- There was a young girl of Angina Who stretched catgut across her vagina. From the love-making frock (With the proper sized cock) Came Toccata and Fugue in D minor. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [OT] Bye Bye UUCP!
On 21/12/10 13:55, Philip Chee wrote: [cross posted to various places because I don't blog] phi...@aleytys.pc.my was the first email address I ever had. For the last fifteen years aleytys was a uucp node and I got my email and usenet via uucp. Today my ISP closed down UUCP and switched me to some unholy combination of cpanel/horde/IMAP. This marks a bitter sweet end to an era. This Christmas I shall offer a small libation to this period of time and probably wax maudlin into my beer. Once upon a time we heard of this strange wondrous thing called the Internet from far off America. A group of visionaries decided that it was good and that we too should have it. A bunch of loud arrogant American consultants came by and laughed at us saying that a third world country like ours didn't have the smarts to build an internet. It became a point of honour, of pride and so we set forth on a shoe string budget with freeBSD, with Morningstar, NSCS Telnet, SLIPdial, UUCP, with blood, sweat and tears. It wasn't easy, connections were frequently dodgy and our usenet feed was a mag tape flow out of Berkeley once a week. The return trip carried our messages for the previous week and the earliest you could get an answer to your question was a fortnight. But built it we did, node by node, cable by cable. And we proved those arsehole Americans wrong. A fortnight to get an answer by Usenet! Well, once upon a time Californians and New Englanders exchanged mail by way of threemasters sailing over Cape Horn… And nowadays we talk of "snail mail" when it takes only a couple of days and a trip to the mailbox at the front gate… I was the 39th individual to sign up for an account when they became available. As early adopters every thing was new and there were no precedents. We helped each other and we helped less technically astute users get on the internet in our self help forums and newgroups. We were the new Prometheans bringing the Internet to the masses, we were the Lokapalas. Those were heady days and we the first users jokingly called ourselves "The Jaring Cabal" after our ISP (Jaring Internet). We were the leaders, the defenders and the supporters of the local Internet. I ran several successful RFCs for local usenet usegroups. Others contributed in their own ways. To all the other uucp nodes that were there, thank you all for the camaraderie. We had a real blast then didn't we back when the world was all new and bright and shiny. Back then we even had our own tongue-in-cheek slogan so one more time I shall raise my fist in the air and cry "There is no Cabal! Long live the Jaring Cabal"! phi...@aleytys.pc.my Ah, the time when "open relay" was not a dirty word! And no, I'm not a UUCP old-timer but I boned up on Net history before replying. Have a merry Christmas, Philip, and a happy New Year :-) ! Midnight (my time) is in three and a quarter hours (about), yours in several more if you are back home and not visiting family in Britain — I shall have a thought for you and all the nice SeaMonkey guys tomorrow when we cut the cake at my nephew's. (Why so few girls BTW? Is monkeying around with a Suite so unladylike?) Tony. -- As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality. -- Albert Einstein ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: OT: FF to Offer "Do Not Track" in browser...
On 22/12/10 23:04, David E. Ross wrote: [...] By the way, because my cable modem is always on, it has the effect of giving me a static IP address. Every so often, I force a new IP address. Hm. My ISP (Belgacom Skynet of Belgium; what is yours if you don't mind sharing the info?) disconnects me forcibly whenever my modem has been connected continuously for 36 hours (± 1 second). At other times (in practice rarely) I may of course get a new IP address by turning the DSL interface off then on from a root console prompt. Best regards, Tony. -- hundred-and-one symptoms of being an internet addict: 1. You actually wore a blue ribbon to protest the Communications Decency Act. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM 2.1b1 Extensions
On 19/11/10 10:44, Stéphane Grégoire wrote: Hi, Ed Mullen a tapoté, le 18/11/2010 21:13: Anyone have success installing extensions in SM 2.1b1? No go with: Web Developer User Agent Switcher It works for me, see my user agent! LiveHTTPeaders Don't work with Seamonkey 2.1b1 British English Dictionary 1.19 is also don't work for me! With the ones that don't install I've tried bumping up the maxVersion number to no avail. You can use Nightly Tester Tools. I'm using this extensions : Signal Spam 0.5.2 Nostalgy 0.2.25.2 Adblock Plus 1.3.1 ChatZilla 0.9.86 AutoPager 0.6.1.16 Nightly Tester Tools 2.5.1 Forecastfox Weather 2.0.2.0.2 Dictionnaire français «Classique» 3.9.2 United States English Spellchecker 5.0.1 User Agent Switcher 0.7.2.2 There have been quite severe changes in the extensions subsystem for Gecko 2 (Firefox 4 - SeaMonkey 2.1 - etc.), so it's understandable that many extensions haven't yet followed suit. In general, if an extension supports Firefox and SeaMonkey, and if it supports Firefox 4.0b8pre or higher, it will "probably" run correctly in the latest SeaMonkey trunk nightlies, though if it doesn't boast support for Sm 2.1b2pre you may have to either bump the maxVersion or set extensions.checkCompatibility.2.1b to true in about:config (this preference doesn't exist by default). Beware that if you set this pref it is *your* responsibility to disable misbehaving extensions: SeaMonkey will still check the version compatibility and mention any mismatches in the addons manager, but it won't anymore auto-disable extensions which say they are incompatible. Alternatively, you could install the "Add-on Compatibility Reporter" extension, which allows you to report which extensions worked in spite of a compatibility mismatch, and which ones didn't in spite of a match. Best regards, Tony. -- HOW YOU CAN TELL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A ROTTEN DAY: #32: You call your answering service and they've never heard of you. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: What File Contains URL Browsing History List SM 2.10?
On 14/11/10 17:22, J. Weaver Jr. wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: places.sqlite. Starting with SM 2.1 (there is no 2.10, you currently run 2.0.10), that file will also contain your bookmarks. Is the "bookmarks.html" file being eliminated? -JW It is not read anymore, except the first time. It can still be used as a medium to export your bookmarks, by toggling a pref in about:config Best regards, Tony. -- Fortune's Real-Life Courtroom Quote #32: Q: Do you know how far pregnant you are right now? A: I will be three months November 8th. Q: Apparently then, the date of conception was August 8th? A: Yes. Q: What were you and your husband doing at that time? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image pasted into a mail
On 07/11/10 16:32, jim wrote: On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 10:48:22 +0100, Tony Mechelynck in mozilla.support.seamonkey wrote: On 07/11/10 09:36, Ray_Net wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:44:55 +0100, /Ray_Net/: David E. Ross wrote: The problem is that, no matter how you obtain the image, it traverses the Internet as an attached file separate from the message. Only when you compose the message and when the recipient's E-mail application displays the message does the image file get combined with the message. Thus, you need an image file when composing the message. But 1. There is no file ... 2. When embedded in(per example, in the middle of the mail) the mail there is no visible "file attachement" this is different when i click on attach-browse-select a file; in this case the file is attached with the mail(and not embedded in the mail text). 3. I know that the file or pseudo file is appended at the end of the mail. Looking at the message source we see a multi-part message with the message text/plain, the message text/html and the message image/png ... all those parts are composing the full message. So just try this and observe there's no difference: 1. While you're composing (in HTML I guess), select Insert -> Image... and then Choose File... from the file system (rather than pasting an image from the clipboard); 2. Do you see any difference? Yes, this is working ... we can insert a jpg file... but the aim is to "paste" not to insert a file... and this paste insert a pseudo png file. That's the problem ..Lotus Notes cannot render a png picture type if the version is before 8.5 and my recipeint cannot upgrade. Howevedr as i said before ... i think that i found the solution ... just ...we have to wait until Wednesday evening. If you don't have an image-processing program that can convert PNG to something else, then, if you can display the full PNG image onscreen (if it isn't too big, that is), try hitting PrtScr then to get a screenshot of it, probably in JPEG or maybe BMP format. (You may have to "Paste as New Image" in some image-manipulation software, but at least it ought to be in some format it understands). Then maybe you can edit that to remove unneeded stuff around the image, and insert _that_ (and not the clipboard) as an image file. Best regards, Tony. Tony, as a small piece of now useless knowledge to 99% of the public with multi-megabit broadband, an MS prtscrn is a BMP image -- meaning it is ponderously huge, especially when taken from a large display monitor. (I did a full screen PRTSCRN, which was 1.1meg and converted it to a jpg which was116kb.) Apparently I was (for more reasons than I knew) wise to switch to Linux, where a Print-Sceen screenshot is immediately saved to disk as a… let me check… a PNG image. Also, and off this topic, I was wondering if the JPG is an offshoot of or utilizes the old RLE internal tech? Your thought on that? jim My thought of that is, "I don't know". Best regards, Tony. -- You are a very redundant person, that's what kind of person you are. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image pasted into a mail
On 07/11/10 09:36, Ray_Net wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:44:55 +0100, /Ray_Net/: David E. Ross wrote: The problem is that, no matter how you obtain the image, it traverses the Internet as an attached file separate from the message. Only when you compose the message and when the recipient's E-mail application displays the message does the image file get combined with the message. Thus, you need an image file when composing the message. But 1. There is no file ... 2. When embedded in(per example, in the middle of the mail) the mail there is no visible "file attachement" this is different when i click on attach-browse-select a file; in this case the file is attached with the mail(and not embedded in the mail text). 3. I know that the file or pseudo file is appended at the end of the mail. Looking at the message source we see a multi-part message with the message text/plain, the message text/html and the message image/png ... all those parts are composing the full message. So just try this and observe there's no difference: 1. While you're composing (in HTML I guess), select Insert -> Image... and then Choose File... from the file system (rather than pasting an image from the clipboard); 2. Do you see any difference? Yes, this is working ... we can insert a jpg file... but the aim is to "paste" not to insert a file... and this paste insert a pseudo png file. That's the problem ..Lotus Notes cannot render a png picture type if the version is before 8.5 and my recipeint cannot upgrade. Howevedr as i said before ... i think that i found the solution ... just ...we have to wait until Wednesday evening. If you don't have an image-processing program that can convert PNG to something else, then, if you can display the full PNG image onscreen (if it isn't too big, that is), try hitting PrtScr then to get a screenshot of it, probably in JPEG or maybe BMP format. (You may have to "Paste as New Image" in some image-manipulation software, but at least it ought to be in some format it understands). Then maybe you can edit that to remove unneeded stuff around the image, and insert _that_ (and not the clipboard) as an image file. Best regards, Tony. -- "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." -- Donald Knuth ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Mail column layout: how to vary it per folder?
On 07/11/10 09:24, Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:44:45 +0100, /Tony Mechelynck/: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101106 Firefox/4.0b8pre SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre - Build ID: 20101106020228 When I customize the columns of the mailnews Threads Pane (by means of the drop-down widget at the far right end of the titlebar, and/or by drag-dropping column titles about), I see my new set of columns in every folder. I'd like to be able to customize each folder's columns separately. Is that possible? And if yes, how? I don't know if Mnenhy works with latest nightlies but this is one of its features I like very much: http://mnenhy.mozdev.org/folderstore.html well, if I don't try I won't know, right? I guess maybe now's the time to test that extension about which I've heard so much good... Best regards, Tony. -- There once was a plumber from Leigh, Who was plumbing his maid by the sea, Said she, "Please stop plumbing, I think someone's coming!" Said he, "Yes I know love, it's me." ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Image pasted into a mail
On 07/11/10 08:44, Ray_Net wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 11/6/10 1:54 PM, Ray_Net wrote: Stanimir Stamenkov wrote: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 22:37:04 +0100, /Ray_Net/: Ed Mullen wrote: Ray_Net wrote: How can i change the format .png when doing "paste" into a mail ? You can't. You have to convert the file first, then paste the new file. If you need a converter program try: http://irfanview.com/ It's free and very good. This is *not* a file it's just a copy/paste of an image, per example, you press the "PrintScrn" button when what you want to transfer is on screen. You could probably first paste in IrfanView and then save in whatever format you need. You could also paste in Paint and save in one of the formats it supports. I understand, but i did not want to put a file in attachement ... i prefer just a copy/paste ... but as i have said soemwhere else: I think that i have found the solurion ... i have to wait some days now, because the recipient will be at work only at wednesday. I will tell you the result. The problem is that, no matter how you obtain the image, it traverses the Internet as an attached file separate from the message. Only when you compose the message and when the recipient's E-mail application displays the message does the image file get combined with the message. Thus, you need an image file when composing the message. But 1. There is no file ... 2. When embedded in(per example, in the middle of the mail) the mail there is no visible "file attachement" this is different when i click on attach-browse-select a file; in this case the file is attached with the mail(and not embedded in the mail text). 3. I know that the file or pseudo file is appended at the end of the mail. Looking at the message source we see a multi-part message with the message text/plain, the message text/html and the message image/png ... all those parts are composing the full message. Well, in a plaintext mail there's no way you can have an image appear in the middle. You may see it at the end, just like you may see a text attachment at the end. In an HTML email, you may see an image in the middle of the text if there is an tag in your HTML source. The src= attribute in that tag may be a "relative URL" to an attachment, or the URL of a remote image. In the latter case the image is not sent with the email, but SeaMonkey will refuse to display it, unless *either* the mail is from someone already klnown in your address book, and with "Allow remote content" checked, *or* you click "Display remote content" after opening the mail. This click only applies for one email, but there is a link to create the address book entry if you want to always display remote content from this sender. In every case, the MIME type of the image (as set in the attachment header fopr an image sent together with the mail, or as served by the remote server for a remote image) must agree with the actual format of the image. Renaming "foobar.png" to "foobar" without actually translating the image binary content is liable to get the sending mailer (for an attachment) or the remote HTTP server (for a remote image) mistake it for something other than image/png, with the result that the recipient's mailer probably won't be able to display it. Best regards, Tony. -- The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. -- Oscar Wilde ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Mail column layout: how to vary it per folder?
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101106 Firefox/4.0b8pre SeaMonkey/2.1b2pre - Build ID: 20101106020228 When I customize the columns of the mailnews Threads Pane (by means of the drop-down widget at the far right end of the titlebar, and/or by drag-dropping column titles about), I see my new set of columns in every folder. I'd like to be able to customize each folder's columns separately. Is that possible? And if yes, how? Best regards, Tony. -- Women who want to be equal to men lack imagination -- Graffito in a women's restroom ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Can't Get Hotmail
Tom Pamin wrote: JeffM wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Who is paying you to stress people using linux ? It's called "sharing". As the user of a Free Software online suite, you should be familiar with the concept. People who mention a 12-year-old M$ OS (which is always running as root) often have experienced being pwned by a drive-by infection or borking their OS by deleting system files. There are numerous Free Software distros which will work on gear of that vintage and which don't have those problems. People who run those very old M$ OSes on very old boxes are also finding that the brand new peripherals they can buy don't have Win98 device drivers. Linux, OTOH, has the best hardware support of *ANY* OS. Windoze also continues to use the fragile, cumbersome Windoze Registry. Linux doesn't have that either. Windoze has always had Windoze Product Keys; the latest M$ OSes now have Windoze Product Activation and Windoze Genuine DISadvantage (aka remote kill switches controlled by M$). Linux doesn't have ANY of that nonsense. Many people think their ONLY choice is to buy new gear and get a new M$ OS. Largely because of M$'s illegal anti-competitive activities, may folks are not even *aware* that they have OTHER options. Linux is a solution that is available at zero cost --without the M$ gotchas. It works on old gear and you *don't* have to install it to try it. (Linux will **run** from the plastic disk.) Many have found Linux to be a way to give new life to old gear. Others cast off their old boxes (which are then picked up for a song--or even for free-- by Linux guys who restore their usefulness for $0). http://google.com/search?q=Helios-Project+Ken-Starks The point is that folks have choices. The fact that there are zero-cost solutions to problems is also appealing to some. ...and, again, the openness of Free Software is another factor that may be appealing. I had the same problem with Hotmail and 1.1.19. Here's what someone posted that worked for me: Go to about:config. Search for useragent and find general.useragent.extra.seamonkey. Right-click on it, choose Modify, and add the text NOT Firefox/3.6.8 Why not install PrefBar? It allows you to change the user agent on the fly and you can add other user agent strings from http://www.useragentstring.com/pages/useragentstring.php PrefBar has other uses too. Check it out! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey