centrally manageed global extensions?

[Rob]

Hi,

We use Seamonkey in a small company with about 400 PC's (Windows XP)
Software is installed only by the administrator, all users run with
limited privileges including .xpi installation disabled in a
general.config file.  We don't want the admin nightmare of all users
running with extensions they download themselves and that may cause
problems in the program we are not aware of.

I want to deploy one or more extensions to all users.  They should
be installed (by the admin) into a subdir of the %ProgramFiles%
directory, after being verified for compatability with the current
version.

I am looking for documentation on how to achieve that.
I have found http://kb.mozillazine.org/Installing_extensions but
it appears to be out of date.

It mentions -install-global-extension is being deprecated, but the
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.14/ still
mentions it in the Troubleshooting section.  Is it deprecated only
for Firefox and still used by Seamonkey?
What will it actually do?

I have experimented a bit.   When I put the extension in the
extensions subdirectory of the %ProgramFiles% installation directory,
users get prompted about the "newly installed extension" when they first
start Seamonkey.  I don't like that, I would like the extension to be
enabled by default.

When I put the extension in the distribution\extensions subdirectory,
that appears to do the trick.

However, the extension gets copied to the Extensions folder in the
profile.  As we have roaming profiles, those extensions travel along
with the user logging in on different workstation.  After upgrading
Seamonkey those extensions get checked for compatability with the
current version.

I don't really like this situation.  I would like the extension to
remain in the software installation directory and be used by all
users of that PC, without getting copied over in the profile.  Thay way
we can be sure the version of the software and the extension are always
compatible (as far as can be tested).

Is this possible, and how?
Where can I find uptodate documentation for the extensions installation
mechanism usable for silent installation?
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Re: centrally manageed global extensions?

[Rob]

I chatted about it on the IRC channel and found that I can do
it like this:

Add to global.config file:

lockPref("extensions.autoDisableScopes", 11);
lockPref("extensions.enabledScopes", 4);
lockPref("extensions.shownSelectionUI", true);

Put extensions in "extensions" subdir of the program installation
directory.

Extensions are installed and enabled by default, and are not copied
to user profile.
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Re: mbox handling messed up in SeaMonkey 2.14?

[Rob]

Jens Hatlak  wrote:
> I think it is this bug:
> 
>
> In any case I shall add a warning to the SM 2.14 and 2.15 Release Notes 
> ASAP.

Are you sure the corruption is in mbox and not in your IMAP account?
I have seen corruption in IMAP mail attachments in SM 2.13 and I am now
testing if it occurs with 2.14.1
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Re: mbox handling messed up in SeaMonkey 2.14?

[Rob]

Jens Hatlak  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> Jens Hatlak  wrote:
>>> I think it is this bug:
>>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=815012>
>>>
>>> In any case I shall add a warning to the SM 2.14 and 2.15 Release Notes
>>> ASAP.
>>
>> Are you sure the corruption is in mbox and not in your IMAP account?
>
> If you mean the IMAP server: Yes, I strongly doubt it's the culprit. If 
> however you mean the IMAP offline store (i.e. the part of SM/TB that 
> stores messages downloaded from IMAP servers) then I don't know. I just 
> saw that a bug existed and several other people saw the same issue. That 
> bug suggests that the filtering code (or something mainly triggered by 
> that) is broken which matches the fact that I did not have issues with 
> manually moved messages.

Ok, I just wanted to note that there have been and maybe there still
are some problems with IMAP accounts.  Sometimes attachments appear
to be corrupted, even when settings are such that there is no offline
store.  It does not happen all the time and it is difficult to get
a grip on.
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Re: mbox handling messed up in SeaMonkey 2.14?

[Rob]

Philip TAYLOR  wrote:
>
>
> Rob wrote:
>
>> Ok, I just wanted to note that there have been and maybe there still
>> are some problems with IMAP accounts.  Sometimes attachments appear
>> to be corrupted, even when settings are such that there is no offline
>> store.  It does not happen all the time and it is difficult to get
>> a grip on.
>
> Exchange 2010 server ?
> Philip Taylor

No.  There have been reports from users with several IMAP servers.

I have seen this myself on UW IMAPD.
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Re: Did Seamonkey Window behavior change?

[Rob]

user@domain.invalid  wrote:
> PhillipJones wrote:
>> brianb...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Is there a general issue with Adobe ? I have just downloaded Ver 2.13
>>> and then 2.14 of Seamonkey and Adobe does not function. I will try an
>>> earlier version of Adobe as well. Additionally Seamonkey often stalls
>>> when attempting to download a 2nd page of data after requesting a new
>>> URL. Running windows 7
>> I just off the Chat with acrobat. Its seem adobe hasn't sought fit to
>> have a working PDFviewer Plugin for FireFox or SeaMonkey.
>>
>
> Suggest you uninstall Adobe and try "Sumatra PDF"
>  http://blog.kowalczyk.info/software/sumatrapdf/free-pdf-reader.html
>
> I got rid of a lot of problems by uninstalling Adobe.  No more update 
> spam, needless clutter, conflicts, etc. etc.  IMHO the Adobe product is 
> vastly over rated.

Try Tracker Software PDF-XChange PDF Viewer

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adblock plus

[Rob]

I use adblock plus (latest version) with Seamonkey.

When setting it to show in the statusbar and not in the toolbar, it
still shows in the toolbar of the Mail window.  It correctly disappears
from the Browser window toolbar when changing the setting.

Is this something that has to be reported to Seamonkey developers or
to the plugin developer?   And if the latter, how?
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Re: adblock plus

[Rob]

Jens Hatlak  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> I use adblock plus (latest version) with Seamonkey.
>>
>> When setting it to show in the statusbar and not in the toolbar, it
>> still shows in the toolbar of the Mail window.  It correctly disappears
>> from the Browser window toolbar when changing the setting.
>>
>> Is this something that has to be reported to Seamonkey developers or
>> to the plugin developer?   And if the latter, how?
>
> Definitely the latter. <http://adblockplus.org/en/bugs>

Thanks.  I overlooked the place to file bugs on the adblockplus page.

However, while collecting the information to file the bug I found that
this specific checkmark on the options popup of adblock plus actually
has a different instance for each of the two windows!

Now that I have called up the options popup from the mail window and
removed the checkmark a second time, everything is OK.

(it is confusing, because this is not true for the "show in status bar"
checkmark)
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Re: bookmarks toolbar is missing my folders

[Rob]

LMH  wrote:
> Yesterday I closed some of the toolbars at the top of the browser to 
> create additional vertical space. I did this by clicking on the little 
> down arrow at the far left of each toolbar. Today when I started up and 
> reopened these, but my bookmarks tool bar only has "Home", "Adblock 
> Plus", and "Bookmarks". There are several other folders and bookmarks 
> that should be on this bar, but they are not there.
>
> If I look under bookmarks > bookmarks toolbar, I see all of the 
> bookmarks and folders that are supposed to be there, but they don't 
> appear on the toolbar anymore.
>
> Is there any way to recover this? It is pretty inconvenient, since there 
> was a reason those bookmarks were on that toolbar to begin with.

Your bookmark settings getting lost has nothing to do with "collapsing"
the bookmark toolbar.  It must have happened for another reason.

In "manage bookmarks" you can restore your bookmarks to an earlier
backup (which is made automatically).
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Re: Mailing list

[Rob]

JohnW-Mpls  wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:47:26 -0500, "Paul B. Gallagher"
>  wrote:
>
>>Ray_Net wrote:
>>
>>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote, On 13/12/2012 19:20:
 Tihomir wrote:

> If I receive an interesting email from someone and want to forward it to
> a group of people, I use the mailing list feature that is included in
> Seamonkey.
> But if the original sender is someone who is already in the mailing list
> I want to forward to, I would then also like to remove that address from
> the list of recipients.
> Forte Agent (IIRC) handles this nicely, choosing a mailing list entry
> fills the actual email addresses, separated with commas, into the to:
> field, so it is easy to remove individual entries.
>
> Is there a way?

 Here's a workaround:

 1) Create the message as described, but choose "Send Later."

 2) Find the message in the "Unsent Messages" folder, Edit as New
 (CTRL-E). You will notice that the mailing list name has been
 interpreted as a list of individual addresses.

 3) Delete the addressees you want to exclude.
>
> Passing on messages to a long list of addresses is rare - someone always
> needs to be dropped. I have a number of address books and within them I have
> sub lists. Assembling addresses is easy using std Shft+x an Ctrl+x Explorer
> tools. Seeing all selected addresses in one column is great.
>
> My concern is that someone might screw up the great mail addressing scheme
> in SM. It provides lots of versatility to gather addresses from a number of
> address books and see all the selected addresses in a column for visual
> validation.

There already has been a screwup some time ago.

People in the company where I work routinely used the technique of
maintaining a list in Excel, then copy a column with names or e-mail
adresses, and then pasting that into Seamonkey.  Seamonkey would then
lookup all the items in the addressbooks and expand them in the address
area.  So the column you pasted could be full names of persons, e-mail
adresses, or only local part of e-mail (before the @) within the company,
and the LDAP addressbook lookup would expand it into a nice form of
Firstname Lastname  for every entry.

This no longer works.  It just pastes the data in the area and does nothing.
When you put the cursor on a line and then type a space, it does what it
did before.  But that is very inconvenient when you pasted tens of
lines, as you have to repeat that on every line.

Pity that it is not fixed.  (bug 648840)
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Re: Composer

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Michael Gordon  wrote:
> Using Microsoft Excel to export as HTML purely sucks.  Microsoft uses 
> proprietary coding that works well with IE, but falls flat on its face 
> for standards compliant web browsers.

I don't agree with that.

I needed to include a table in an e-mail I wanted to send someone,
and I copied an Excel sheet into the e-mail in Seamonkey 2.14.1

It looked beautiful, and now that I go back to the Sent folder
and look at the plain HTML it looks good as well.  I know that
it does not work so when when copying from Word (there is a lot
of extra junk that accomplishes next to nothing) but this is
about Excel, not Word.

It is also not true that the code works only in IE.
It looks like you are uttering findings of 10 years ago.
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Re: Composer

[Rob]

Philip TAYLOR  wrote:
>
>
> Rob wrote:
>
>> I needed to include a table in an e-mail I wanted to send someone,
>> and I copied an Excel sheet into the e-mail in Seamonkey 2.14.1
>> 
>> It looked beautiful, and now that I go back to the Sent folder
>> and look at the plain HTML it looks good as well.  I know that
>> it does not work so when when copying from Word (there is a lot
>> of extra junk that accomplishes next to nothing) but this is
>> about Excel, not Word.
>
> Much as I regret to say so, Excel exports a lot of junk as well :
>
>
> and that is just the table; I have omitted over twice as much
> from the head region. This is a simple 6 x 4 table, nothing complex.

Don't "export" it.   Just select the area you want to copy, copy to
clipboard, go to your mail composition window (or composer) and
paste there.

It works very well here.  I get HTML with inline style, about as
much as you can ask for in a situation like this.  The style
is limited to the actual styling I had put in the table.
(cell borders).  It is not much worse as what you get when you
create a table in the composer, and for me it was a much quicker
way of accomplishing what I needed.

I had a tab-separated file that I wanted to mail as a neatly formatted
table.  I know of no way to create a table in (mail)composer and then
paste tab-separated data into the cells, do you?  Via Excel it was easy
as I could read the tab-separated file, select the resulting worksheet
cells and paste them into Seamonkey where it was neatly formatted as
a table.  I am very happy.
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Re: Composer

[Rob]

Ed Mullen  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> Michael Gordon  wrote:
>>> Using Microsoft Excel to export as HTML purely sucks.  Microsoft uses
>>> proprietary coding that works well with IE, but falls flat on its face
>>> for standards compliant web browsers.
>>
>> I don't agree with that.
>>
>> I needed to include a table in an e-mail I wanted to send someone,
>> and I copied an Excel sheet into the e-mail in Seamonkey 2.14.1
>>
>> It looked beautiful, and now that I go back to the Sent folder
>> and look at the plain HTML it looks good as well.  I know that
>> it does not work so when when copying from Word (there is a lot
>> of extra junk that accomplishes next to nothing) but this is
>> about Excel, not Word.
>>
>> It is also not true that the code works only in IE.
>> It looks like you are uttering findings of 10 years ago.
>>
>
> You missed that he said "export" from Excel.  Saving as HTML from any 
> Office app produces horrendous HTML.
>
> What you did was copy and let the HTML composer turn the paste action 
> into decent code.

That is not how it works.  I don't know the exact technical details, but it
appears that when you cut and paste in Windows both ends agree on the
format being used for the cut/paste, and in this case it is HTML.  The
actual HTML is generated by the producer (Excel in this case).
I can recognize the HTML as being generated by Office, but I don't
agree with others that it is a mess.
You may not know about the "web options" button on the "options/general"
settings page where you can configure what is being generated.

> 5.  Highlight the text and choose Table - Create table from selection

That actually is a useful option I did not know about.
(or did not remember when faced with the problem of pasting tab-separated
data into an outgoing mail as a table)
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Re: Enable HTML email on the go

[Rob]

Paul B. Gallagher  wrote:
> Tihomir wrote:
>
>> Normally, I do not use HTML in email. However, I sometimes need to
>> insert graphic content like screenshots in my email. And it's much
>> quicker to just paste screenshots into HTML mail than to save them
>> first as files, then attach them.
>>
>> So, is there a way to switch between HTML and plain text quickly,
>> without going to the preference screen in identity management?
>
> Once you've begun to compose a message, you're stuck with your decision 
> (plain text/HTML).

Options -> Format in the message composition window lets you switch.
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Re: Enable HTML email on the go

[Rob]

Paul B. Gallagher  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> Paul B. Gallagher  wrote:
>>> Tihomir wrote:
>>>
>>>> Normally, I do not use HTML in email. However, I sometimes need to
>>>> insert graphic content like screenshots in my email. And it's much
>>>> quicker to just paste screenshots into HTML mail than to save them
>>>> first as files, then attach them.
>>>>
>>>> So, is there a way to switch between HTML and plain text quickly,
>>>> without going to the preference screen in identity management?
>>>
>>> Once you've begun to compose a message, you're stuck with your decision
>>> (plain text/HTML).
>>
>> Options -> Format in the message composition window lets you switch.
>
> Not available in my SM v. 2.14.1. Under Options, I have only:
>
> Select Addresses...
> Quote Message
> Return Receipt
> Delivery Status Notification
> Priority
> Character Encoding
> Send a Copy To
> Encrypt This Message
> Digitally Sign This Message

You need to put the checkmark to compose messages in HTML in your
account settings (under compose).

> What's "slrn/pre1.0.0-18 (Linux)"?

That is a newsreader.  It is unrelated to this discussion.
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Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

[Rob]

I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
a nasty bug in the message composition mode.

When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
  tags in the message.   Many more than
are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
or more nested font tags.

What makes it even worse is that stupid change (made a couple of
versions before) to pretty-print the outgoing HTML.  It is
indented based on the tag level, so each level of  indents
it more.  There is absolutely no point in doing that, it only
wastes space and bandwidth for no purpose.

The combined result is HTML crap that even Microsoft would be ashamed of.

I think some priority has to be given to fix both bugs.
The pretty-printing should at least be made optional, defaulting
to off, and the change that introduced the  problem should
be reverted or looked at.

I had to disable font size preselection (by lockPref) temporarily
to work around the issues it causes.  But I know of no way to turn
off the pretty-printing.
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Re: Enable HTML email on the go

[Rob]

Tihomir  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> You need to put the checkmark to compose messages in HTML in your
>> account settings (under compose).
>
> That defeats the purpose if I don't use HTML most of the time.

True.  I use HTML by default and only switch to plain text mode
when I know I am mailing to something like an abuse desk or similar,
who still demand plain text.

In the setup I have, Seamonkey will autodetect the situation, sending
plain text when you only type plain text into the HTML composition window
and using HTML once you do something that requires it, but I'm not sure
which is the setting that does this.
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

[Rob]

David E. Ross  wrote:
> On 12/19/12 7:30 AM, Rob wrote:
>> I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
>> a nasty bug in the message composition mode.
>> 
>> When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
>> the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
>> small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
>>   tags in the message.   Many more than
>> are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
>> maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
>> or more nested font tags.
>> 
>> What makes it even worse is that stupid change (made a couple of
>> versions before) to pretty-print the outgoing HTML.  It is
>> indented based on the tag level, so each level of  indents
>> it more.  There is absolutely no point in doing that, it only
>> wastes space and bandwidth for no purpose.
>> 
>> The combined result is HTML crap that even Microsoft would be ashamed of.
>> 
>> I think some priority has to be given to fix both bugs.
>> The pretty-printing should at least be made optional, defaulting
>> to off, and the change that introduced the  problem should
>> be reverted or looked at.
>> 
>> I had to disable font size preselection (by lockPref) temporarily
>> to work around the issues it causes.  But I know of no way to turn
>> off the pretty-printing.
>> 
>
> Have you submitted a bug report at bugzill.mozilla.org?  If so, what is
> the bug number?

I did not submit the report, the bug 812638 is the same thing but
for Thunderbird.

Unfortunately it looks like people want to replace the entire editor
to fix this.  That may take years.  And what do we do in the meantime?
(it worked OK one or two versions ago, it should be possible to fix it)
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

[Rob]

WaltS  wrote:
> On 12/19/2012 10:30 AM, Rob wrote:
>> I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
>> a nasty bug in the message composition mode.
>>
>> When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
>> the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
>> small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
>>   tags in the message.   Many more than
>> are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
>> maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
>> or more nested font tags.
>
>
> Sounds related to this bug.
>
> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756984>

No, that is something else.  I think 812638 is closer.
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

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Ed Mullen  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
>> a nasty bug in the message composition mode.
>>
>> When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
>> the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
>> small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
>>   tags in the message.   Many more than
>> are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
>> maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
>> or more nested font tags.
>>
>> What makes it even worse is that stupid change (made a couple of
>> versions before) to pretty-print the outgoing HTML.  It is
>> indented based on the tag level, so each level of  indents
>> it more.  There is absolutely no point in doing that, it only
>> wastes space and bandwidth for no purpose.
>>
>> The combined result is HTML crap that even Microsoft would be ashamed of.
>>
>> I think some priority has to be given to fix both bugs.
>> The pretty-printing should at least be made optional, defaulting
>> to off, and the change that introduced the  problem should
>> be reverted or looked at.
>>
>> I had to disable font size preselection (by lockPref) temporarily
>> to work around the issues it causes.  But I know of no way to turn
>> off the pretty-printing.
>>
>
> Is this what you're after?
>
> editor.prettyprint

Yes something like that, but the above pref works in the editor
(composer).  I need a similar pref that affects the mail composition
in the same way that the above pref affects the composer.

(I remember I tested this before and now tested it again on 2.14.1
but it really only affects the composer)
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

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WaltS  wrote:
> On 12/19/2012 01:11 PM, Rob wrote:
>> WaltS  wrote:
>>> On 12/19/2012 10:30 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>> I found by accident that the 2.14.1 version we are using now has
>>>> a nasty bug in the message composition mode.
>>>>
>>>> When composing in HTML, and after setting a custom font size in
>>>> the options for message composition (default is medium, set to
>>>> small or large for example) the composer peppers a lot of nested
>>>>   tags in the message.   Many more than
>>>> are required.  It is not clear to me when it inserts a new one,
>>>> maybe after backspacing or similar.  I saw messages with 20
>>>> or more nested font tags.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds related to this bug.
>>>
>>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=756984>
>>
>> No, that is something else.  I think 812638 is closer.
>>
>
> You may be correct. Both are Core, Editor bugs.

I hope it will be fixed quickly.  Sometimes I hate the fact that we
have to update because of security notices and then find that
arbitrary changes have been made that introduce problems that never
existed before (or have existed before and then been fixed).

I understand that where there is development there always will be
mistakes, but sometimes it looks like there is an ongoing train
of development rushing forward without checking what blows off at
the back.   Fixing bugs introduced in a new version should be done
before continuing into yet another new one.

(I know I should join the development team instead of criticize,
however while I have done a lot of C programming in the past this
project is simply too large for me.  I tried finding the location
of a bug before, but even knowing what I was looking for I could
not locate the sourcefile where the function that I was looking
for was being performed...)
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Set the remember password checkmark by default?

[Rob]

When a mail account is accessed, the program asks for a password and
offers to remember this password.

Is it possible (via some pref?) to make the remember password checkmark
appear on by default?  (so the user can still uncheck it)
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

[Rob]

David E. Ross  wrote:
> However, the problem is easily resolved by composing only
> ASCII-formatted messages.

This is not realistic in today's world when using the program
in a company.  Most mail being processed is in HTML.
We even have HTML signatures.
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Re: Do NOT Install New Java Version 7u10 for Windows

[Rob]

David E. Ross  wrote:
> It appears that Java 7u10 for Windows does not work for SeaMonkey
> 2.14.1.  Both the Java installation test at
>  and a known Web site
> that uses Java fail when that version is installed; they indicate that
> there is no Java plugin.  Running the test and visiting the other site
> after removing Java 7u10 and reinstalling Java 7u9 work okay.
>
> This has been reported to Oracle.

Thanks for telling us, saves me the effort and problems of deploying
the Java update just now.

Did you check the new items in the control panel to see if the new
security settings for enabling Java in the browser come up correctly?
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Re: Set the remember password checkmark by default?

[Rob]

David E. Ross  wrote:
> On 12/19/12 11:49 AM, Rob wrote:
>> When a mail account is accessed, the program asks for a password and
>> offers to remember this password.
>> 
>> Is it possible (via some pref?) to make the remember password checkmark
>> appear on by default?  (so the user can still uncheck it)
>> 
>
> Remembering your password in SeaMonkey -- even when encrypted by your
> master password -- will always remain at least slightly less secure than
> remembering your password in your head.  Thus the default is not to
> remember it in SeaMonkey.

Many defaults are settable by pref in Seamonkey, only it is not always
easy to find the name of the pref.
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

[Rob]

Philip Chee  wrote:
>> I think some priority has to be given to fix both bugs.
>> The pretty-printing should at least be made optional, defaulting
>> to off, and the change that introduced the  problem should
>> be reverted or looked at.
>> 
>> I had to disable font size preselection (by lockPref) temporarily
>> to work around the issues it causes.  But I know of no way to turn
>> off the pretty-printing.
>
> 
> Bug 812638 - Thunderbird is inserting random and incorrect  size="3"> tags in the middle of words throughout my email message.  (edit)

I know about that bug, but I think the discussion is wandering off
into a "let's replace the editor" megaproject instead of making sure
this bug is fixed before the next release.

That is (I wrote before) what I sometimes find disturbing.  People work
on the code, that is fine.  They sometimes break things, that can happen.
But then it should be their responsability to fix what they have broken
and introduce the fix in the release process as soon as possible, not
to fix it in the trunk and wait two more major releases before it is
finally fixed for the end-users, and certainly not going off into a
major redevelopment program that may take years to finish while leaving
the existing users fighting the problems.
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

[Rob]

Philip TAYLOR  wrote:
>
>
> Ed Mullen wrote:
>
>> Amen.  The last job I had was in 1996 and ALL email was HTML.  Where are you 
>> text-only people coming from?
>
> A world that recognises that it takes only 10 bytes to say "Thank you.",
> not 2500.

The world today is no longer about bytes or kilobytes.
Today we calculate in megabytes, gigabytes or terabytes.

People no longer treat mail as a novelty that can transfer messages
like a telex did in the past.   They use it like a fax or letter.
That means mail includes mark-up, letterhead, vcard-like signatures, etc.

I have no problem if you want to aleniate yourself from that world,
but it is the world that businesses and software operates in.
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

[Rob]

David E. Ross  wrote:
> On 12/20/12 6:40 AM, Rob wrote:
>> Philip TAYLOR  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed Mullen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amen.  The last job I had was in 1996 and ALL email was HTML.  Where are 
>>>> you text-only people coming from?
>>>
>>> A world that recognises that it takes only 10 bytes to say "Thank you.",
>>> not 2500.
>> 
>> The world today is no longer about bytes or kilobytes.
>> Today we calculate in megabytes, gigabytes or terabytes.
>> 
>> People no longer treat mail as a novelty that can transfer messages
>> like a telex did in the past.   They use it like a fax or letter.
>> That means mail includes mark-up, letterhead, vcard-like signatures, etc.
>> 
>> I have no problem if you want to aleniate yourself from that world,
>> but it is the world that businesses and software operates in.
>> 
>
> You describe a world where fluff is more important than information.

But that is the real world.  You can deny that, but it only describes
your (lack of) relation with the real world, not the actual situation
in the real world.
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

[Rob]

Philip TAYLOR  wrote:
>
>
> Rob wrote:
>
>> The world today is no longer about bytes or kilobytes.
>> Today we calculate in megabytes, gigabytes or terabytes.
>>
>> People no longer treat mail as a novelty that can transfer messages
>> like a telex did in the past.   They use it like a fax or letter.
>> That means mail includes mark-up, letterhead, vcard-like signatures, etc.
>
> That means mail /can/ include markup, letter-heads, signatures, etc.
> But it does not have to.  As this message demonstrates.

What does this message demonstrate?

>> I have no problem if you want to aleniate yourself from that world,
>> but it is the world that businesses and software operates in.
>
> And how many of those business, and what fraction of that software,
> addresses the vital issue of accessibility ?  When I send an e-mail,
> there is not a blind computer user on this planet who does not have
> access to its contents, if it reaches him or her.  90+% of the HTML
> e-mails I receive are completely inaccessible to blind people : no "alt"
> attributes, no "longdesc"s, no accommodation whatsoever to those who do
> not have sight.  That world is not for me.

We have a blind user in the company.  He uses Seamonkey with special
software that reads the contents of his mails using a voice synthesizer.
It is kind of a pain because the software must be told after every
Seamonkey release that Seamonkey is really Firefox, but aside from
that it works OK.  There really is no performance difference between
HTML and text mail while doing this text to speech.

But he keeps insisting that the support for mainstream software like
Internet Explorer, Outlook and Adobe Reader (we use an alternative PDF
reader as well) is much much better than for the software we have.

It appears the accessability software industry focusses heavily on
mainstream software and less on opensource products.  That is more
of an issue than the mail being HTML or text.
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Re: Set the remember password checkmark by default?

[Rob]

Mr. Cheese  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> When a mail account is accessed, the program asks for a password and
>> offers to remember this password.
>>
>> Is it possible (via some pref?) to make the remember password checkmark
>> appear on by default?  (so the user can still uncheck it)
>>
> I'm on the latest SM update. SM never has asked me if I want to remember 
> an email account password. I wish it would. this is a source of great 
> irritation to me.

Are you (like me) talking about email accounts in the "Mail and Newsgroups"
section of Seamonkey, or about webmail accounts that you access using
the browser?
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

[Rob]

Philip TAYLOR  wrote:
>
>
> Rob wrote:
>
>> What does this message demonstrate?
>
> That information can be transmitted very successfully using e-mail
> without requiring HTML, markup, letter-heads, signatures, etc.

But I never denied that!
What I claim is that it requires HTML mail to transmit e-mail messages
as today's users want to see them.  And I am thankful that HTML made
its way into mail, because if that wouldn't have happened then all
marked-up mail would now be in Microsoft Rich Text or even Microsoft
Word document format.  After all, that is what Microsofts entry into
the e-mail market produced by default until others pushed HTML just
in time.

I know that there exist a group that is definately against all mail
formatting and especially against HTML in mail, and isist that text
mail is good enough, but I think the majority of them are autists.

>> It appears the accessability software industry focusses heavily on
>> mainstream software and less on opensource products.  That is more
>> of an issue than the mail being HTML or text.
>
> No accessibility software in the world will help him all the while
> that e-mail authors believe that presenting text as image, with
> no or minimal ALT information, is "communicating", which is what
> e-mail is (or should be) all about.

What you discuss is spam.  Normal HTML e-mail is not in that format,
it uses plain text with HTML markup tags.  With some mailers there
are more tags then useful text, but that is not something that
bothers the end-user.   Seamonkey was fine until a year ago, then
the bad things started happening.   This is not the fault of HTML
mail, it is the fault of the developers.
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Re: Nasty font tag bug in newish versions (maybe since 2.13)

[Rob]

David E. Ross  wrote:
> On 12/20/12 9:29 AM, Rob wrote:
>> Philip TAYLOR  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Rob wrote:
>>>
>>>> The world today is no longer about bytes or kilobytes.
>>>> Today we calculate in megabytes, gigabytes or terabytes.
>>>>
>>>> People no longer treat mail as a novelty that can transfer messages
>>>> like a telex did in the past.   They use it like a fax or letter.
>>>> That means mail includes mark-up, letterhead, vcard-like signatures, etc.
>>>
>>> That means mail /can/ include markup, letter-heads, signatures, etc.
>>> But it does not have to.  As this message demonstrates.
>> 
>> What does this message demonstrate?
>
> It deomonstrates that meaningful information can indeed be communicated
> without HTML formatting.

Not something that is interesting to demonstrate.
What needs to be demonstrated is that people can communicate in
business style, with company letterhead and logo, in text with markup.
That is what businesses want or need.

>> It appears the accessability software industry focusses heavily on
>> mainstream software and less on opensource products.  That is more
>> of an issue than the mail being HTML or text.
>> 
>
> Yes, Thunderbird and SeaMonkey do a relatively good job in composing
> valid HTML for E-mail.  As this thread reveals, however, the HTML is not
> totally valid.  Too often, it contains "tag soup".

It is caused by carelessness of the developers.  It was okay until
people made changes and did not do full testing.  Now it is difficult
to find the person who did this and ask him to fix or undo the changes,
and other people start uttering things like "let's rip out the editor
and start anew".  Not very constructive.

> Other E-mail applications are not as good in creating valid HTML.

Fortunately that is not really what the screen readers are looking for.
They really read what is shown on the screen, they don't particularly
care how it lands there (from a Word document, a text mail or a HTML mail).

The exception is the case where the program does all the rendering in
internal code and just outputs a pixel map.  Then the screen reader has
a more difficult job.  But that is mainly determined by the program
not by the mail format (the exception being those mails that send the
text as an image, but they normally are not worth reading anyway).
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Re: Set the remember password checkmark by default?

[Rob]

Paul B. Gallagher  wrote:
> David E. Ross wrote:
>
>> On 12/20/12 7:33 AM, Mr. Cheese wrote:
>>> Rob wrote:
>>>> When a mail account is accessed, the program asks for a password and
>>>> offers to remember this password.
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible (via some pref?) to make the remember password checkmark
>>>> appear on by default?  (so the user can still uncheck it)
>>>>
>>> I'm on the latest SM update. SM never has asked me if I want to remember
>>> an email account password. I wish it would. this is a source of great
>>> irritation to me.
>>>
>>
>> Your problem is that a growing number of Web sites use JavaScript to
>> handle logins, which is not supported by Password Manager.  See bug
>> #355063 at <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355063>.
>>...
>
> No, that wasn't his complaint.
>
> I'm assuming since he didn't say either way that he's talking about 
> downloading POP mail, not viewing it on a webmail site. In that case, 
> SeaMonkey should ask for the password and ask whether it should remember 
> it. And that's been my experience in the past.

Now back to the original subject.  We do get that popup (for an IMAP
account) and it does have the "remember" checkbox, but by default it
is not checked.  I want to change that (within a company) to show the
checkbox checked when this popup appears.

Anyone know how such a popup is constructed, how to find the piece
of code where that happens, and if it is possible to change such a
default?

Maybe those popups are not even constructed in code but are defined
in some xml or other resource file, which can be modified.  I don't
know.  But best would be to change it using a pref, as I can modify
those in my locked pref file that is automatically distributed to all
users.
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Re: Set the remember password checkmark by default?

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Mr. Cheese  wrote:
> Why does SM have a "remember"checkbox for IMAP and not for POP accounts? 
> SM used to remember my POP PW. that changed a few updates ago.

It should work for POP.  There are some ways to break it, I remember.
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Re: html view has wrapped text

[Rob]

mattjac...@hotmail.com  wrote:
> Hi,  I'm a fairly new seamonkey user, using it to build a website.  I', 
> finding that when I go to the html view it almost seems to wrap when saving 
> or changing view to the web preview.  So for example, I'll have a load of 
> text going across the html screen.  I change to view the website and whn I 
> change back to html, the text which was right across the screen is now splt 
> across two lines - it almost appears to wrap text which is greater than half 
> a page width.  Also there are great chunks of space between some sectoins of 
> html code.
>
> Can anyone help resolve this?

Check the "preserve original source formatting" checkmark in the
preferences->composer screen.
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Re: Set the remember password checkmark by default?

[Rob]

Mr. Cheese  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> Mr. Cheese  wrote:
>>> Rob wrote:
>>>> When a mail account is accessed, the program asks for a password and
>>>> offers to remember this password.
>>>>
>>>> Is it possible (via some pref?) to make the remember password checkmark
>>>> appear on by default?  (so the user can still uncheck it)
>>>>
>>> I'm on the latest SM update. SM never has asked me if I want to remember
>>> an email account password. I wish it would. this is a source of great
>>> irritation to me.
>>
>> Are you (like me) talking about email accounts in the "Mail and Newsgroups"
>> section of Seamonkey, or about webmail accounts that you access using
>> the browser?
>>
> Mail & Newsgroups

It should work.  I presume "remember passwords" under preferences ->
privacy & security -> passwords is checked.  It should be by default.

I heard reports that it does not work long ago but it was usually
caused by some problem in the profile, e.g. meddling with the master
password feature without understanding it.
Try to create a new profile and see if it works there.
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Re: Still not informed of updates

[Rob]

Craig  wrote:
> NoOp wrote:
>
>> Works for me - tells me that 2.14.2 is available. I backed down to
>> 2.13.2 and did Help|Check for updates:
>> Screenshot:
>> 
>>
>> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026
>> Firefox/16.0 SeaMonkey/2.13.2
>>
>> Note: I haven't tried from Centos (yet). The above is from an Ubuntu 12.04.
>>
>> Regarding update notifications; SeaMonkey may briefly flash an update
>> indicator, but doesn't seem to do the same as Firefox where FF pops up a
>> new window.
>
> Sorry for the 3+ weeks delay.
>
> I noticed on http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/ today that the 
> 32-bit version of SM 2.14.1 for Linux was available, so I went to Help 
> -> Check for Updates... to manually check for the update. SM told me 
> "There are no updates available. Seamonkey will check periodically for 
> updates."
>
> I saw that FF had also been updated (from 16.0.2 to 17.0.1), so I tried 
> the same thing in FF. It told me FF at 16.0.2 was up-to-date.

You can check if your Linux distributor provides updates, via their
normal software update procedure.  If so, it is preferable to use those
because they will probably have packaged the software into packages
for that environment (.rpm, .deb) which will be checked for conflicts
when installing.
It is not a good idea to install a package from the distributor and
then update versions via an app-native auto update mechanism.
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Re: Still not informed of updates

[Rob]

Craig  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>
>> It is not a good idea to install a package from the distributor and
>> then update versions via an app-native auto update mechanism.
>
> I have always installed and updated both Seamonkey and Firefox by going 
> to http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/ and downloading the 
> appropriate packages. I have never gotten them from CentOS.
>
> I asked what mechanism and URL they SM and FF use to check for updates 
> so I can see if that is working properly.

The program fetches an XML file using a URL that is configured in
about:config pref app.update.url
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Re: Still not informed of updates

[Rob]

Craig  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>
>> The program fetches an XML file using a URL that is configured in
>> about:config pref app.update.url
>
> That parameter in my SM 2.14.1 has the value:
>
> app.update.url;https://aus2-community.mozilla.org/update/3/%PRODUCT%/%VERSION%/%BUILD_ID%/%BUILD_TARGET%/%LOCALE%/%CHANNEL%/%OS_VERSION%/%DISTRIBUTION%/%DISTRIBUTION_VERSION%/update.xml
>
> I presume SM substitutes values for all the text between per-cent signs.
>
> How do I figure out what all those values are?

No idea.  Maybe temporarily change the https to http and check again
in wireshark.
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Re: 2.14.1 mouse cursor changes to drag & drop

[Rob]

Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez  wrote:
> El 28/12/12 01:54, NoOp escribió:
>> On 12/19/2012 07:35 PM, NoOp wrote:
>>> In the past few days I've noticed my mouse cursor changing to 'D&D'
>>> anytime that I move the mouse over a tab quickly. Similar to the issue of:
>>> 
>>> [Mouse occasionally changes to drag cursor and the mouse buttons stop
>>> functioning]
>>> Except in my case the mouse buttons et al continue to work fine.
>>>
>>> Anyone else noticing the same?
>> 
>> Nobody?
>
>
> Not between tabs, but it still happens often the first time I move the
> pointer across the different mail&news panels. As you, the pointer
> changes to D&D but it still works (well, not really; I have to click
> once to get the arrow shape again and, from then on, it works OK).

I don't see it.  Maybe it is a problem with your video card driver.
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Re: Still not informed of updates

[Rob]

Craig  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> Craig  wrote:
>>> Rob wrote:
>>>
>>>> The program fetches an XML file using a URL that is configured in
>>>> about:config pref app.update.url
>>>
>>> That parameter in my SM 2.14.1 has the value:
>>>
>>> app.update.url;https://aus2-community.mozilla.org/update/3/%PRODUCT%/%VERSION%/%BUILD_ID%/%BUILD_TARGET%/%LOCALE%/%CHANNEL%/%OS_VERSION%/%DISTRIBUTION%/%DISTRIBUTION_VERSION%/update.xml
>>>
>>> I presume SM substitutes values for all the text between per-cent signs.
>>>
>>> How do I figure out what all those values are?
>>
>> No idea.  Maybe temporarily change the https to http and check again
>> in wireshark.
>
>
> I changed it from https to http and re-ran Wireshark's capture and SM's 
> update check. It still changes to an encrypted link.

But then you have seen what the link was before it changed, and you
know how the parameters are substituted...
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Re: SeaMonkey default printer problem

[Rob]

Paul B. Gallagher  wrote:
> The good news is that once you select a printer, it will remember that 
> one indefinitely -- until you select another. So if you always want to 
> use the same printer, select it once and never select another. ;-)

Yes but most people consider that bad news, not good news.

We had problems with this in the company as well.  People log in to
another workstation, print an e-mail to the printer at that location,
go back to their usual workstation, print an e-mail without looking
at the selected printer and it ends up at the printer where they
last printed (and cannot get at it, have it read by others, etc)

So this user.js entry has been in place on our systems ever since
I found that.  Now Seamonkey behaves like most Windows programs do.
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Re: SeaMonkey default printer problem

[Rob]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>
>> Paul B. Gallagher  wrote:
>>> The good news is that once you select a printer, it will remember that
>>> one indefinitely -- until you select another. So if you always want to
>>> use the same printer, select it once and never select another. ;-)
>> 
>> Yes but most people consider that bad news, not good news.
>> 
>> We had problems with this in the company as well.  People log in to
>> another workstation, print an e-mail to the printer at that location,
>> go back to their usual workstation, print an e-mail without looking at
>> the selected printer and it ends up at the printer where they last
>> printed (and cannot get at it, have it read by others, etc)
>
> How does your company use SeaMonkey? Are your employees using something 
> that is run from a server? Otherwise, I can't see how they could get their 
> own mail when logged into someone else's workstation. At my company, the 
> only way to get one's own mail was from the individual's own computer.

Of course we use an IMAP server for mail, and roaming profiles.
When you log in to someone else's computer, the roaming profile is
loaded from the server and with it come all your Seamonkey settings.
(including your IMAP account settings)

When you open Seamonkey you connect to the IMAP server and there is
all your mail.  This also has the advantage that your mail is not
lost when your workstation crashes, and the server of course has
backups.
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Re: Moving Profile

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Larry H  wrote:
> Is there a simple process used to move my profile from 1.x to 2.x Seamonkey?

You have waited way too long to upgrade.
The current 2.14.1 version of Seamonkey cannot convert 1.x profiles
anymore.

When you really want to convert it, first install version 2.0 of Seamonkey,
then you can convert your profile, and then you install 2.14.1 and it
will be available to you.
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Re: lost 6 months of emails

[Rob]

Iceman  wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:31:39 -0500, Chris Ilias wrote in message
> :
>
>> On 12-12-29 6:03 PM, Iceman wrote:
>>> SeaMonkey stores its e-mail messages in .msf files. You can do a search for
>>> those and open them with Notepad.
>> 
>> SeaMonkey stores mail in UNIX mbox format. Those are the files without 
>> an extension. MSF files are summary files that help SeaMonkey display 
>> header info. If you close SeaMonkey and delete the MSF files for your 
>> email folders, they will be recreated the next time you open SeaMonkey 
>> and all your mail will still be there.
>
> Thanks, Chris and Michael, for clearing this up.
>
> But where does this leave the OP? Is his e-mail gone forever?

That is always difficult to determine when helping a panicing
user remotely.  It is not easy to destroy the mail store by accident,
but on the other hand it is also not easy to explain to a not so
tech-savvy user to "click here and it will all be back".

Examination of the existing situation and the changes that he
actually made will be required.
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Re: Can't edit or delete an existing mailing list or create a new one

[Rob]

Ray_Net  wrote:
> You should CREATE another issue .. as explained by :
>
> Jens Hatlak (:InvisibleSmiley) 2013-01-03 14:31:19 PST
>
> Dick, sorry to hear that you have problems with your address book, but 
> whatever you're seeing, it's not this bug.
>   The cause of this bug had been analyzed, found and fixed months ago. If 
> your problem persists,
>   please open a new bug with clear steps to reproduce. Include information 
> such as used SeaMonkey version
>   and any useful output from the Error Console (to be found under Tools, Web 
> Development).
>   Thanks.

Does anyone know what this "some cache" is that needs to be flushed?
Maybe there are circumstances when this cache is not flushed after
installing another version, and causes problems for him?

Is it the file in the startupCache folder in your profile?
Maybe try deleting it (when Seamonkey has been closed).  I'm sure it
does not hurt to do that, but I don't know if this is the cache that
they are talking about on Bugzilla.
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Re: Can't edit or delete an existing mailing list or create a new one

[Rob]

Dick Hoffman  wrote:
> On 1/4/2013 3:34 AM, Rob wrote:
>> Ray_Net  wrote:
>>> You should CREATE another issue .. as explained by :
>>>
>>> Jens Hatlak (:InvisibleSmiley) 2013-01-03 14:31:19 PST
>>>
>>> Dick, sorry to hear that you have problems with your address book, but 
>>> whatever you're seeing, it's not this bug.
>>>The cause of this bug had been analyzed, found and fixed months ago. If 
>>> your problem persists,
>>>please open a new bug with clear steps to reproduce. Include information 
>>> such as used SeaMonkey version
>>>and any useful output from the Error Console (to be found under Tools, 
>>> Web Development).
>>>Thanks.
>>
>> Does anyone know what this "some cache" is that needs to be flushed?
>> Maybe there are circumstances when this cache is not flushed after
>> installing another version, and causes problems for him?
>>
>> Is it the file in the startupCache folder in your profile?
>> Maybe try deleting it (when Seamonkey has been closed).  I'm sure it
>> does not hurt to do that, but I don't know if this is the cache that
>> they are talking about on Bugzilla.
>>
> I've been assured that the fix for Bug 801615 is included in SM 2.14.1 
> so my problem is something new. I did clear cache and, no, I don't use 

What cache did you clear?

> AVG, so those ideas don't apply. We do not have this problem on our 
> laptop which is running SM 2.14 but verifying this pointed out a perhaps 
> major difference. The SM having the problem has three address books; a 
> Personal Address Book which is empty, something called ABOOK which has 
> 802 entries in it including a mailing list and a Collected Addresses 
> which is empty. I think ABOOK came about when we migrated to SM from 
> Netscape Navigator years ago. Can my problem be related to having 
> multiple address books?

It is normal to have at least 2 address books.  I don't think it is
likely that this is the reason.
Monday I will investigate at work if we do have that problem there.
We are using 2.14.1 and some people have mailing lists.
But I did not hear of a problem yet.

Unfortunately the address book file format is arcane.  I hope it will
be migrated into an sqlite format soon.  (all other files already were)
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Re: Can't edit or delete an existing mailing list or create a new one

[Rob]

Dick Hoffman  wrote:
> I cleared whatever cache gets cleared when selecting "Clear 
> Cache" in Preferences->Advanced->Cache.

But that is not the cache that the bugzilla article is talking about...
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Re: Can't edit or delete an existing mailing list or create a new one

[Rob]

Daniel  wrote:
> Dick, you need two address books in your SeaMonkey profile . 
> *abook.html* contains your email addresses i.e. f...@bizzo.com, and, 
> *places.sqlite* contains all your web site address, i.e. www.google.com, 
> and all the unexpired address's that you actually type into the address 
> bar of the browser.
>
> Part of places.sqlite, I believe, is for your "Personal Address Book", 
> which can then be displayed as a separate bar on your browser screen.

places.sqlite has nothing to do with the address book.  it holds the
recently visited websites and the bookmarks.

The personal address book is usually called abook.mab but it can be
named differently when it one time was imported from another program.

The collected address book is called history.mab
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Anyone working on sqlite address book?

[Rob]

Is anyone actually working on conversion of the address book from
mork format (.mab) to .sqlite?

There is an old bug (https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382876)
disussing this but there does not seem to be progress.

However, I remember reading in another bug# that something was done and
then rolled back.   Cannot find it anymore.
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Re: Can't edit or delete an existing mailing list or create a new one

[Rob]

Daniel  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> Daniel  wrote:
>>> Dick, you need two address books in your SeaMonkey profile .
>>> *abook.html* contains your email addresses i.e. f...@bizzo.com, and,
>>> *places.sqlite* contains all your web site address, i.e. www.google.com,
>>> and all the unexpired address's that you actually type into the address
>>> bar of the browser.
>>>
>>> Part of places.sqlite, I believe, is for your "Personal Address Book",
>>> which can then be displayed as a separate bar on your browser screen.
>>
>> places.sqlite has nothing to do with the address book.  it holds the
>> recently visited websites and the bookmarks.
>>
>> The personal address book is usually called abook.mab but it can be
>> named differently when it one time was imported from another program.
>>
>> The collected address book is called history.mab
>>
>
> O.K., Rob, so you don't think that a file which contains the *addresses* 
> of websites you visit is not an addressbook, that's your prerogative!!

When you open the "Address Book" in the Window menu you will get the
address book that I am talking about and that is the topic of the
original question in this thread.  It is stored in .mab files only.

Maybe you call the website URLs in the places.sqlite file an address
book as well, but it is not what the original author can't edit.
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Re: lost SeaMonkey data

[Rob]

jb  wrote:
> Date:Sun, 6 Jan 2013
> From:j...@bang.vispa.com
> To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
> Subject: Re: Lost Seamonkey data
> Ver: SeaMonkey 2.14.1
> OS: Win 7 (64)
>
>   
> I started SeaMonkey today and everything had vanished, files,
> folders, mail, bookmarks, everything.
>
> I copied my backup copy of SeaMonkey, back into the original
> location; C:\Users\JB\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey
>
> This has made no difference.  Kinda makes backup useless, have
> I done something wrong?  How can I get the data back again?

Goto Tools -> Switch profile and check if you have not inadvertently
created a new profile or changed the profile location.
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Re: lost SeaMonkey data

[Rob]

jb  wrote:
> Date:Sun, 6 Jan 2013
> From:j...@bang.vispa.com
> To:support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org
> Subject: Re: Lost Seamonkey data
> Ver: SeaMonkey 2.14.1
> OS: Win 7 (64)
>
> No, I'm using an older backup.
> No, I didn't delete
>   C:\Users\JB\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey directory.
>
> That's where I copied the backup to!

Please paste the content of the file profiles.ini in that directory.
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Re: SM 2.14.1 apparently generating files that can't be deleted

[Rob]

flyguy  wrote:
> System: XP Professional on Dell 530 (4 processors, 4 GB), running SM 
> 2.14.1 with Lightning and Fireform extensions.
>
> I now have 4 peculiar files that I believe SM generated, perhaps when I 
> was trying to save an image:

Where did you find those files?
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Re: lost SeaMonkey files

[Rob]

jb  wrote:
> I have found three files called profiles.ini of widely differing dates.
>
> One at a time, I placed a copy into the:
>   C:\Users\JB\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkeydirectory.
> Each time thereafter, I tried to start SeaMonkey and got the following 
> message:
>
>   "Your SeaMonkey profile cannot be loaded.  It may be missing or 
> inaccessible".
>
> Does this indicate to you the cause of my problem?

Yes.
There should be only one profiles.ini file and it should contain
the name of the subfolder that contains the profile.
When you copy another profiles.ini from another place to there, that
is a perfect way to foul up things and lose all your settings.

The file should look like this:

[General]
StartWithLastProfile=1

[Profile0]
Name=default
IsRelative=1
Path=


Where it shows  above, the name of the folder under
C:\Users\JB\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey where your profile
is stored should be substituted.  (a randomly generated name)
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Re: SeaMonkey installation issues

[Rob]

Roger Fink  wrote:
> I've installed SeaMonkey 2.0.14 on a second computer (Win7). I intend to 
> upgrade the version but for now I just want to replicate the SeaMonkey 
> installation on my older machine running XP. All of the extensions and 
> themes have been installed.
>
> Here's the problem I'm having. None of the basic files I've copied and 
> pasted in from the older profile are overriding the ones in the profile of 
> the new installation.. I'm having to recreate the basic settings from 
> scratch. The files I've tried to paste in so far are userchrome.css, 
> bookmarks.html, menuedit.rdf, and prefbar.rdf. No success with any of these.

I'm not sure if that is a proper way of migrating configuration...
I know it has worked for me, but only for relatively small version
increments.  Older config files are converted to newer formats for
some time, but after a number of releases the conversion is dropped.

Besides, the filenames you mention (with the exception of bookmarks.html)
don't look familiar to me.  They likely require references from the
prefs.js?

Don't copy files one by one but copy an entire working profile directory
tree and first try with the software version it was created with.
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Re: lost seamonkey files

[Rob]

jb  wrote:
> My problem is this, restoring the backup 
> of SM doesn't work.  How
> then do I restore it?  Do I find each 
> file and copy it to it's
> proper place, and how do I know what IS 
> the proper place?  Is

By following my directions and looking in the profiles.ini
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Re: SeaMonkey installation issues

[Rob]

Roger Fink  wrote:
> Probably posting to myself here but fwiw the problem was that the changes 
> made by overwriting files didn't take hold until I logged out and logged in 
> again. Just closing down SeaMonkey and reopening it, which in the past was 
> all that was necessary, wasn't enough (the bookmark transfer needed an 
> extension to facilitate it as well, which I had forgotten). 

You should not "just close down SeaMonkey and reopen it".
You should close down SeaMonkey, then replace the config files as you
want them, and then reopen it.  it is also wise to remove the parent.lock
file before you restart it after the file replacement with recent versions.

Bookmarks are now stored in a different file.  The program will import
the bookmarks.html one time when the new file places.sqlite does not
exist yet.  When it does exist because you could not resist the temptation
to fire up Seamonkey before putting your correct configuration, close
down, remove the file, and start Seamonkey again.

When you don't feel comfortable having the bookmarks stored in a database
together with a pile of history entries (like me), put this pref in:

user_pref("browser.bookmarks.autoExportHTML", true);

It will then export the bookmarks back to bookmarks.html when you
close the program.
(I use this file as my browser start page)
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Re: support-seamonkey Digest, Vol 85, Issue 17

[Rob]

jb  wrote:
>>> My problem is this, restoring the backup
>>> of SM doesn't work.  How
>>> then do I restore it?  Do I find each
>>> file and copy it to it's
>>> proper place, and how do I know what IS
>>> the proper place?  Is
>> By following my directions and looking in the profiles.ini
> I've followed directions as best I can 
> understand them and I have
> looked in the profiles.ini file.  
> Seamonkey is not restored.
> What should I try next?

Of course, with "looking in" I mean reading the file, and checking
that what it says is corresponding with the actual situation on
your disk.  I also suggested that you paste the content of that
file here, so that it can be used as a basis for further discussion.

Normally it will have the name of the folder that holds your profile
on the last line (assuming there is only one profile) and you should
check that this folder exists and holds the usual collection of
configuration files (prefs.js, several .sqlite files, several .rdf
files, two .mab files, and subfolders one of them named Mail)

The profiles.ini and this profile folder should be treated as a
unit.  When you pick a profiles.ini and a profile folder from
different places (e.g. another computer, an old backup, a new
installation) and put them together the system will not recognize
the combo as a valid configuration and it will look like you have
lost everything, while that is not the case.

But with patience you can rebuild profiles.ini when you still have
the profile folder with the correct contents.  Look in the Mail
subfolder to see if you still have your mailfolders.
(there should be files with no extension and a size corresponding
to whatever mail you have saved, and .msf files with the same names
but a lot smaller in size)
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Invalid certificate!!?? Was: Re: SeaMonkey v2.15 is out!

[Rob]

Ant  wrote:
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.15/
>
> Even the internal updater is out. :)

www.seamonkey-project.org uses an invalid security certificate...
it is only valid for the domains www.mozilla.com, mozilla.com
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Re: How does the cache setups work in the latest stable SeaMonkey and Firefox web browsers?

[Rob]

goodwin  wrote:
> On 01/08/2013 06:05 AM, Ant wrote:
>> On 1/1/2013 11:34 AM PT, Ant typed:
>>
>>> Does the web browsers keep the most used cached files on the disks? Do
>>> the least used one get thrown one when more room is needed?
>>
>> Also, how does the automatic disk cache sizes get calculated and set?
>> For an example with my SeaMonkey v2.14.1 web browser, it is 350 MB.
>> Iceweasel/Debian's Firefox v17.0.1 web browser is about 800 MB.
>
> type "about:config" (w/o quote marks) in address bar.
>
> type "cache" in upper search (called filtering) bar.
>
> right click any entry to modify...

That of course does not lead to quick resolution because you need to
know what to modify, and some prefs modify themselves.

First set "browser.cache.disk.smart_size.enabled" to false to turn
off silly smartness.
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Re: Invalid certificate!!?? Was: Re: SeaMonkey v2.15 is out!

[Rob]

Justin Wood (Callek)  wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>> On 1/9/2013 8:15 AM PT, Rob typed:
>> 
>>> Ant  wrote:
>>>> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.15/
>>>>
>>>> Even the internal updater is out. :)
>>>
>>> www.seamonkey-project.org uses an invalid security certificate...
>>> it is only valid for the domains www.mozilla.com, mozilla.com
>> 
>> Uh, it has a secured web site?
>
> www.seamonkey-project.org is not intended to be supported as an https://
> website, fwiw.
>
> you can safely accept a cert for www.mozilla.com/mozilla.com for our
> site though if that is what is being offered to you. Mozilla is the
> hosting provider, but be warned that nothing on our site is tested for
> https, nothing in the hosting is explicitly providing https:// so if it
> works, it works by accident.

For some unclear reason, when I typed www.seamonkey-project.org in the
location bar, I got (re?)directed to the https:// variant and got that
error message.   Now that I try it again it does not happen.

Of course I understand that you don't have a separate certificate for
all of those special domains, and https is not supported on them.
It may get tricky when those "let's redirect to https whenever possible"
folks have their way.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

[Rob]

b...@cowboyneeds.com  wrote:
> We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in 
> Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default use 
> to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was 
> changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon 
> restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The latest 
> SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to the right, 
> and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a small thing, 
> but the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is it lets us 
> customize much better than IE.
>
> Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and 
> Email on right, on the Win XP task bar. We have multiple computers and 
> SeaMonkey profiles, so consistency is important.

After reading it several times it is still unclear to me what you mean
by on the left and on the right.  Sometimes you talk about windows and
sometimes about the task bar.  These are unrelated.

How do you start the whole thing?
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Re: Invalid certificate!!?? Was: Re: SeaMonkey v2.15 is out!

[Rob]

Chris Ilias  wrote:
> On 13-01-10 9:25 AM, Rob wrote:
>> For some unclear reason, when I typed www.seamonkey-project.org in the
>> location bar, I got (re?)directed to the https:// variant and got that
>> error message.   Now that I try it again it does not happen.
>>
>> Of course I understand that you don't have a separate certificate for
>> all of those special domains, and https is not supported on them.
>> It may get tricky when those "let's redirect to https whenever possible"
>> folks have their way.
>
>
> Maybe you're using an extension like HTTPS Everywhere?

No I am not.   But that is what I mean by "It may get tricky when...".

For now the most plausible explanation is that I left a https:// in
the location bar, it being there caused by the issue that so many
sites needlessly switch to https these days.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

[Rob]

Daniel  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> b...@cowboyneeds.com  wrote:
>>> We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open 
>>> in Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The 
>>> default use to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this 
>>> order was changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit 
>>> SeaMonkey, and upon restart it would open with the window positions you had 
>>> upon exit. The latest SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and 
>>> the Browser to the right, and will not remember these if changed and 
>>> restarted. It is a small thing, but the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always 
>>> used Netscape) is it lets us customize much better than IE.
>>>
>>> Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and 
>>> Email on right, on the Win XP task bar. We have multiple computers and 
>>> SeaMonkey profiles, so consistency is important.
>>
>> After reading it several times it is still unclear to me what you mean
>> by on the left and on the right.  Sometimes you talk about windows and
>> sometimes about the task bar.  These are unrelated.
>>
>> How do you start the whole thing?
>>
>
> Rob, when I read the original post, I took it to mean that they have one 
> Windows Desktop screen, with the Task Bar at the bottom, and the the one 
> screen displaying the SM Browser screen on the left of the desktop and 
> the e-mail screen on the right, so that they can keep a check on both 
> e-mail and browser screens at the same time.
>
> But, now they are showing opposite, and want to know how to re-set 
> things permanently!!

I thought this first, but then I read the second paragraph and it
was talking about the task bar.

So what is it?  The window on the screen or the button on the taskbar?

The location of the window on the screen is saved and restored.
The location on the taskbar is determined by Windows XP and the
sequence in which the windows are opened.  It cannot be changed.
(you can drag a window but you cannot drag a taskbar button)
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Re: How do I turn off SeaMonkey as my Default Web Browser?

[Rob]

Monte  wrote:
> I don't want seamonkey as my default web browser.  How do I fix this?

Open the browser that you want as your default web browser and use
its function to set it as default browser.
(depending on which browser that is)
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Re: SM 2.15 (linux) bookmarks missing

[Rob]

NoOp  wrote:
> User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:18.0) Gecko/20100101
> Firefox/18.0 SeaMonkey/2.15
> Build identifier: 20130105222032
>
> On one profile all of my bookmarks have gone missing. I can't do a
> restore/import (json or html), bookmark manage window everything is
> blank, and can't add a bookmark. Even attempting to restore/import from
> a working profile doesn't work.
>
> It is a profile issue as switching to a test profile works. If I open
> places.sqlite I can see bookmarks & bookmark folders. Running a quick
> check on the database shows an error:
> ***in database main ***Page 98: btreeInitPage() returns error code 11

Apparently a corrupted places.sqlite file.

> Note: I've not replaced the places.sqlite with one from a working
> profile (yet), as I'd like to figure out what when wonk.
>
> Anyone else have the same or a similar issue? Anyone know how to go
> about repairing the database?

Just remove places.sqlite* and it will be imported from your last
backup or from whatever source you manually import it.
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disable the Java installation dialog?

[Rob]

We use Seamonkey (2.14.1 for now) at work and I manage it using
locked preferences, a loginscript that creates a user.js, etc.

We used to have Java installed on all computers, but now I have
deleted it on most computers and only installed it in a few places
where it is really required.

Now, when visiting a website that uses Java on a computer where it
is no longer installed, Seamonkey shows the "missing plugins" bar with
a button to install the missing plugin.

Clicking that button, it offers to install Java 7u10.  When
"Next" is clicked on this screen, it immediately shows a dialog
informing that this has failed, and a "manual install" button that
directs the user to the Java site where the plugin can be downloaded.

It is OK that it fails to install the plugin, this probably
happens because I locked the preference "xpinstall.enabled" to false.
(or because it finds that it cannot write into system directories?)

However, I would like it to act sooner.  Is it possible to somehow
block the button to install the missing plugin or to have it pop
up a screen informing that plugin installation is disabled, instead
of offering to install Java?

We don't want the users to wander off into sites that offer downloads
and waste their time on trying that (which will fail anyway).

I am looking for a solution that can be scripted.  Solutions like
"open the Add-Ons manager and click this and that" are not useful
for me.
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Re: disable the Java installation dialog?

[Rob]

Set plugins.hide_infobar_for_missing_plugin to true for now.

It does not do exactly what I want (it hides the entire bar, not
just the "install missing plugin" button) but for now it is adequate.

I would still like to hear if it is possible to hide just the button.
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Re: disable the Java installation dialog?

[Rob]

Michael Gordon  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> Set plugins.hide_infobar_for_missing_plugin to true for now.
>>
>> It does not do exactly what I want (it hides the entire bar, not
>> just the "install missing plugin" button) but for now it is adequate.
>>
>> I would still like to hear if it is possible to hide just the button.
>>
>
> Rob,
>
> I have no idea where in the SM filing system to look, however I have 
> learned that a lot of the display elements in the application are 
> controlled by CSS attributes.
>
> The idea here is that if the button in question is "Named" you can 
> assign a hidden CSS attribute to that button.  The hazard is if the 
> button is a group Named Button your CSS attribute would affect all such 
> named buttons.
>
> Michael G

Do you know what is today's method to add CSS attributes to a
customized installation?   I remember there was a userchrome file
in a chrome subdir of the profile, but it appears to be deprecated.

And most of the visible files in the installation directory have
vanished into compressed jar archives.

Is there still a way to deploy customized css?
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Re: disable the Java installation dialog?

[Rob]

Hartmut Figge  wrote:
> Rob:
>
>>Do you know what is today's method to add CSS attributes to a
>>customized installation?   I remember there was a userchrome file
>>in a chrome subdir of the profile, but it appears to be deprecated.
>>
>>And most of the visible files in the installation directory have
>>vanished into compressed jar archives.
>>
>>Is there still a way to deploy customized css?
>
> Well, you may test this userChrome.css belonging to the chrome
> subdirectory of the profile. Be warned, you will not love it, *g*

Does that still work?   It used to be created by default in a new
profile but that no longer happens.

And is there a way to deploy a .css in the installation directory,
so it does not have to be replicated into every user profile?
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.15

[Rob]

Ken Dixon  wrote:
> I installed this client yesterday and had it working just fine. Now, 
> however, it is deleting messages from my "Inbox" for no apparent reason.
>
> Having reviewed all of my settings and preferences, I'm stumped as to 
> why, for example, opening the "Drafts" mailbox causes messages in the 
> "Inbox" to disappear.  Sometimes clicking on the message itself has the 
> same result.  I can read it once but not again.

Are they really gone or do they re-appear after you right-click on
the inbox, select properties and then click repair?
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Re: Java SE 6 U38

[Rob]

W3BNR  wrote:
> On 1/14/2013 8:58 PM Ed Mullen submitted the following:
>> stango wrote:
>>> Ken Rudolph wrote:
 My version of SeaMonkey (Win-7 x64, SM 2.15) continues to show in "About
 Plugins" that it still contains the previous Java SE6 U37, which is
 supposedly vulnerable to blah blah blah.  I updated successfully (I
 think) to U38 from the Oracle site, but SeaMonkey continues to show U37
 as the plugin.  Did I do something wrong?  Any way to make U38 the
 SeaMonkey plug-in?

>>> You are running 64 bit Windows and will need to install BOTH the 32 bit
>>> AND the 64 bit versions.
>>>
>>>
>> 
>> Why?
>> 
>
> For some reason Oracle says so.  I'm running a 64 bit system (Win 7) with the 
> 32
> bit Java.  No problem.  Had both in there originally since that's what Oracle
> said to do. (32 bit for browsers & 64 bit for system).  I removed the 64 bit
> version and have had no (at least no known) problems.

When you only use it in the browser and you only use 32 bit browsers
then you don't need 64 bit java.

When you use a 64 bit browser you DO need 64 bit java, but Mozilla
browsers are 32 bit.   (IE is available in both 32 and 64 bit versions
on Windows 7)
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Re: coupon printer

[Rob]

W3BNR  wrote:
> On 1/17/2013 12:06 PM bern...@nospam.com submitted the following:
>> Anyone know why coupon printer application does not work with Seamonkey. The
>> coupon printer app is installed when you want to print coupons on sites such 
>> as
>> scjohnson.com which market cleaners and just about everything else for the 
>> home
>> (scrubbing bubbles, etc) and other sites that use the app to print online
>> coupons with bar codes. It works fine in Internet Explorer. Anyone have a
>> workaround for this. This is a minor issue so I am not overly concerned about
>> it. Just want to know if there is a fix.
>> Bernie
>
> Don't know of any fix, but I agree that it doesn't work.  I go to a site to
> print a coupon.  It says I need 'coupon printer' and to download and install 
> it,
> and the coupon will print then.  I download and install it and nothing happens
> except the site I'm on thinks I printed the coupon and I can't retrieve it to
> print again.
>
> I have complained to sites that use this method of printing coupons and most
> will then send via snail mail the coupon.
>
> I never have had this work in any version of SeaMonkey with any version of
> Windows (up to Version 7).  Always works in IE.

What kind of plugin is that "coupon printer"?
Is it ActiveX?  IE will tell you that when you go to the site without
the plugin installed.
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Re: coupon printer

[Rob]

bern...@nospam.com  wrote:
> Yes this requires activeX

Then it will not work.  ActiveX is a Microsoft thing.

There appears to exist a plugin that may work around this, but I would
not recommend installing such a thing.  It may well make your browser
unstable and/or insecure.
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Re: coupon printer

[Rob]

W3BNR  wrote:
>
> Yes, ActiveX is installed with Windows 7.
>
SeaMonkey does not do ActiveX.
Use Internet Explorer.
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Re: coupon printer

[Rob]

Charlie Siracuse  wrote:
>  I asked them a while ago and they said they have gotten hardly any 
> requests for seamonkey access.  Let's get as many as possible to request 
> this access.  I did get a phone response.

Many, many website owners have no idea what Seamonkey is and what
they need to do to support it.
(often no more than recognizing it and handling it as Firefox)
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.14.1 won't remember Browser and Email window positions

[Rob]

b...@cowboyneeds.com  wrote:
> On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:47:17 PM UTC-5, bi...@cowboyneeds.com wrote:
>> We are a business and always have both the Browser and Email windows open in 
>> Win XP. These are both checked to open when SeaMonkey starts. The default 
>> use to be Browser first, then email to the right. If somehow this order was 
>> changed, you could put them in the order you want, exit SeaMonkey, and upon 
>> restart it would open with the window positions you had upon exit. The 
>> latest SeaMonkey update starts with Email on the left, and the Browser to 
>> the right, and will not remember these if changed and restarted. It is a 
>> small thing, but the reason we use SeaMonkey (and always used Netscape) is 
>> it lets us customize much better than IE.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Does anybody know how to force SeaMonkey to open with Browser on left and 
>> Email on right, on the Win XP task bar. We have multiple computers and 
>> SeaMonkey profiles, so consistency is important.
>
> Thanks Michael Gordon. 
> I am talking about the System Task Bar with the Clock. Either a Windows XP, 
> or a SeaMonkey update, changed this behavior. SeaMonkey always use to reopen 
> its component windows in the order they were in when we last closed the 
> program, but now when opened, it always forces the SeaMonkey Email component 
> to open first, and be closest to the Start button. 
> We always have SeaMonkey's Browser and Email windows open on the System Task 
> Bar. We are an internet store, and frequently are replying to customers 
> emails with links to specific products on our html website. Those are the 
> main programs we have open, and use constantly, throughout the day. While we 
> may also need to open Excel, an HTML editor, an FTP program, etc., it is 
> always handiest to have the SeaMonkey Browser window open to the far left on 
> the System Task Bar (closest to Start button), and then SeaMonkey Email, and 
> then other programs to the right of these, which get opened and closed 
> throughout the day. When this order changes, we have to spend more time 
> hunting the correct window on the System Task Bar to click, instead of just 
> "knowing" where it is.
> Its an annoyance more than anything, I just don't know what changed in one of 
> the updates, but it effected four computers at the same time, so this is not 
> a one computer "preference" setting. I have done a work around by only having 
> SeaMonkey open the Browser, and then we click SeaMonkey's Email icon to open 
> the Email component to the right. We have multiple SeaMonkey Profiles, so it 
> is just one more step every time we open SeaMonkey. I was hoping somebody 
> knew what changed, and a simple fix.

Simple fix: do NOT configure the e-mail window to open on startup.
Only open the browser window on startup.  Once the browser opens, click
on the little envelope in the bottom left of the window, and the e-mail
window will open.   Now the buttons will be in the order that you like,
with only a single click.
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Re: coupon printer

[Rob]

Daniel  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> Charlie Siracuse  wrote:
>>>   I asked them a while ago and they said they have gotten hardly any
>>> requests for seamonkey access.  Let's get as many as possible to request
>>> this access.  I did get a phone response.
>>
>> Many, many website owners have no idea what Seamonkey is and what
>> they need to do to support it.
>> (often no more than recognizing it and handling it as Firefox)
>
> Given that it's not just SeaMonkey that's affected, surely, a better 
> action would be for the website owners/techs to set their sites up to 
> sniff for Gecko! That would fix them for a whole series of browsers, 
> wouldn't it??

Well, once a website is working with some browsers and not with others,
you usually know that it is not very well set up.

Printing something in a defined format is better solved using a print
stylesheet than with a plugin.
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Re: Bye bye seamonkey

[Rob]

Jim Dell  wrote:
> Daniel wrote:
>> question wrote:
>>> Since Seamonkey is set to Disable Java as it startup,, many of us will
>>> be moving to INTERNET EXPLOITER ..
>>
>> How many of you??
>>
>> Seems to me, if SeaMonkey is disabling Java (because *Java* has a known
>> problem), why would you then want to move to MSIE (which, I'm guessing,
>> has the same problem with Java), and have to deal with MSIE's other
>> problems (like ActiveX, .)!!
>>
>
> My problem is not that it is disabling it, but it keeps trying to 
> install 7u10 when 7u11 was installed yesterday.
> Anybody got a fix for that?

Maybe it helps when you remove the file blocklist.xml from your profile
directory while the program is not running.
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Re: coupon printer

[Rob]

bern...@nospam.com  wrote:
> I think the idea of a coupon printer plug in, at least the way they use 
> it is to limit your ability to print the coupons only once. That is the 
> way it appears to work when using Firefox.

HAH!  That is a good joke...  how many copies do you want?
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Re: SM 2.15 -- virus detected

[Rob]

Paul B. Gallagher  wrote:
> Ant wrote:
>> On 1/21/2013 8:08 AM PT, Jim typed:
>>
>>> Installed SM 2.15 this morning, and Norton Security Suite again did not
>>> like nssckbi.dll -- detected and quarantined this file as
>>> Suspicious.Cloud.7.F ( I had the same problem last year during a SM
>>> update -- same file).  So, I just restored the file and told Norton to
>>> ignore it in the future.
>>>
>>> Last time I had this problem (same file), I went round and round with
>>> Norton about this -- think they said this detection means the file had
>>> possible characteristics of a virus, and when I submitted the file to
>>> Norton, they said it was not detected as a virus.  So, I think next
>>> update, I ought to wait a few days, until Norton gets their act together.
>>>
>>> Running Norton Security Suite 6.4.0.9
>>>
>>> Also running Immunet 3.0 (which is supposed to work well with Norton,
>>> and that did not detect anything).
>>
>> Or just turn off Norton for SeaMonkey updates since this is a known
>> issue and no one was able to get them to whitelist in advance. :(
>
> But then the next time you scan your system it'll "detect it," so that's 
> not a permanent fix.

As a customer of Norton you should be able to file a false positive
report and hopefully get it resolved.
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Re: SM 2.15 -- virus detected

[Rob]

Paul B. Gallagher  wrote:
> Yesterday, I wrote:
>
>> Rob wrote:
>>
>>> As a customer of Norton you should be able to file a false positive
>>> report and hopefully get it resolved.
>>
>> I did, here:
>> <https://submit.symantec.com/false_positive/>
>>
>> I did have to specify which program and version was alerting.
>>
>> They promised a response within 48 hours.
>
> Sure enough, they just wrote back (after 12 hours) to say they'd cleared 
> the file and would remove its detection from their products. Then they said:
>
> "This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use 
> of the individual or entity to which it is addressed ... any use, 
> dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is 
> strictly prohibited."
>
> So don't tell anyone you heard this from me.
>
> They also offered a link for software developers to submit their 
> products for whitelisting, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to disclose 
> that confidential information. ;-)

The Mozilla developers have tried to do that many times and it has
not worked.  That is why you had the problem.

Apparently the Norton people have put a too broad virus definition in
their database and it triggers with every Mozilla release.  When you
report a false positive they don't sit back and think "what causes this
and how can we modify the signature" but they just put in a whitelisting
entry that exactly matches (the signature of) the file you submit.

Next time a new Mozilla release ships, the file is slightly different
but still matches the broad virus pattern, and the same will happen.
Ad infinitum.  The only way you can get rid of this is by switching to
a better anti-virus product.
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Re: SeaMonkey crash

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Connie  wrote:
> Hallo
>
> Last Saturday, SeaMonkey was working fine, as it should.  My PC booted 
> up as normal on Sunday morning.  I clicked on the email option got a 
> message saying I had to set up an email account in order to use it.
>
> I tried the browser.  Instead of opening to a blank page, it opened on 
> the SeaMonkey home page.  The sidebar was open with a message to add 
> bookmarks to start using it.
>
> I've lost a lot of valuable work as a result.
>
> What concerns me is why it happened.  If it's happened once, it could 
> happen again.  It's making me concerned about using SeaMonkey any more.
>
> I've tried installing a different version of SeaMonkey but it isn't 
> associating with the other version's profile and I can't see any way 
> of doing it.
>
> Connie in London

Unfortunately it looks like some people have been hit by this problem
the past week.  I suggest you look in other threads to see what you
can do.  I don't think your work has been lost, it is just not
accessible at the moment.

It is difficult to make recommendations without knowing what operating
system you use, how proficient you are with the system, etc.

When you know what you are doing, look in the Application Data\Mozilla
folder of your user profile and describe what you see there.
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Re: SeaMonkey crash

[Rob]

Beauregard T. Shagnasty  wrote:
> Connie wrote:
>
>> Last Saturday, SeaMonkey was working fine, as it should.  My PC booted
>> up as normal on Sunday morning.  I clicked on the email option got a
>> message saying I had to set up an email account in order to use it.
>> 
>> I tried the browser.  Instead of opening to a blank page, it opened on
>> the SeaMonkey home page.  The sidebar was open with a message to add
>> bookmarks to start using it.
>
> Sounds more to me that your hard drive has corrupted your profile.

Hogwash.
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Re: SeaMonkey crash

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Connie  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately it looks like some people have been hit by this problem
>> the past week.  I suggest you look in other threads to see what you
>> can do.  I don't think your work has been lost, it is just not
>> accessible at the moment.
>>
>> It is difficult to make recommendations without knowing what operating
>> system you use, how proficient you are with the system, etc.
>>
>> When you know what you are doing, look in the Application Data\Mozilla
>> folder of your user profile and describe what you see there.
>
> Hallo
>
> That's sort of comforting.  I'm using the mailing list rather than the 
> newsgroup.  I'll find the newsgroup.  I hope the work is just 
> temporarily inaccessible.
>
> I use XP.  I can manage some things but not poking around in the 
> registry.  I'll see if I can find that folder and let you know.

Open the windows file explorer (not the internet explorer) and go
to C:\Documents and Settings\Connie\Application Data\Mozilla.
It may be that you need to click away some notices by Windows that
you do not need to go there.   It may also be that you need to
go to Extra -> Options and checkmark the "show hidden files" option.

In that location you should find a profiles.ini and one or more
subfolders with funny names.  See what you have there, what date
and time there is on those folders and show us the content of that
profiles.ini file.

That should help locating the folder that holds all your previous
mail and settings.
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Re: SeaMonkey crash

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Connie  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>
>> Open the windows file explorer (not the internet explorer) and go
>> to C:\Documents and Settings\Connie\Application Data\Mozilla.
>> It may be that you need to click away some notices by Windows that
>> you do not need to go there.   It may also be that you need to
>> go to Extra ->  Options and checkmark the "show hidden files" option.
>>
>> In that location you should find a profiles.ini and one or more
>> subfolders with funny names.  See what you have there, what date
>> and time there is on those folders and show us the content of that
>> profiles.ini file.
>>
>> That should help locating the folder that holds all your previous
>> mail and settings.
>
> Hallo
>
> Good news, bad news
>
> I've found the file but it's dated 18 Jan.  SeaMonkey was working fine 
> on 12 Jan.  It wasn't on 13 Jan.  The bookmarks is only 1KB and it 
> should be a /lot/ bigger than that.  An out of date version is 330KB. 
>   It probably should be closer to 500KB now.  It looks as though the 
> browser side is totally gone.  Two folders of collated bookmarks were 
> recently added to but I should be able to use the old version to 
> re-create the majority which I'll do manually.

The bookmarks file is no longer used.  That info is now in places.sqlite.

> Under the Mozilla heading, all the mail up to the crash date seems to 
> be there.  Looking at the Inbox file on one of the two main accounts, 
> it's showing 73,011 KB, which sounds about right.  The Inbox.msf file 
> is reading 183KB.  All the email accounts are there and a quick check 
> is showing that recently added folders under the Local Folders heading 
> are also there.
>
> Question is how do I get those mails and folders back?  Do I trust 

When your current profile is different from the one where you found the
mail, you can create the required mail account in the new profile, then
close the program and using the explorer copy the folder Mail from the
old profile to the new profile.   This is where all your mail files are.

When you then start Seamonkey again, the mail should be back.

To be sure, I would install version 2.14.1 and not 2.15 or higher.
There appears to be a problem in that version, as I have seen a couple
of postings about suddenly losing the profile.
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Re: SeaMonkey crash

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Connie  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>
>> When your current profile is different from the one where you found the
>> mail, you can create the required mail account in the new profile, then
>> close the program and using the explorer copy the folder Mail from the
>> old profile to the new profile.   This is where all your mail files are.
>>
>> When you then start Seamonkey again, the mail should be back.
>>
>> To be sure, I would install version 2.14.1 and not 2.15 or higher.
>> There appears to be a problem in that version, as I have seen a couple
>> of postings about suddenly losing the profile.
>
> Hallo
>
> OK, I'll uninstall the current version of SeaMonkey and install 2.14.1 
> or will the latter install over my current version?

I always install the old version, then install the new one.  The uninstall
is very quick (5 seconds) so this should be no problem.

> Do I create each account, then copy across the mail folder to the new 
> profile?  Sorry, if that's a basic (dozy) question but I don't want to 
> mess everything up and lose all the mails since they seem to all be 
> there right now.
>
> Connie in London

Of course you can always copy that Mail folder where all your mail is
now to a safe place (e.g. in your documents directory) before doing
anything else.

In general, it would also be a good idea to make backups of a system
where you have valuable information.  Right now you have a small
problem because some linkage between the software and your information
has been disturbed.  But next time you can have a crashed disk or
stolen laptop and you simply lose everything without recourse.

USB memory sticks with multi-gigabyte capacity and external disks with
hundreds or thousands of gigabytes are very cheap these days, and you
can make backups of the whole system or just your own files on them.
Then, when you have problems you can always restore what you had last
time you made a backup.
(e.g. each week or each day when you have a lot of changing information)
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Re: coupon printer problem solved

[Rob]

bern...@nospam.com  wrote:
> The files are located in Firefox plugin directory after installing 
> coupon printer into Firefox.
> NPcol400.dll
> NPcouponprinter.dll
> NPmozcouponprinter.dll
> After copying these files to your Seamonkey plugin directory. Just run 
> the install procedure again for coupon printer. It will now work.

It means the plugin is broken.  Plugins are no longer supposed to put
files in the plugins directory.  They should place their file in
a location of their own choosing (e.g. under the windows directory
or in their own program files subdirectory) and they should put their
location in the registry under the MozillaPlugins key.

This is done so that when you uninstall the browser (Firefox/Seamonkey)
and thus remove the plugins directory, and you re-install it, the
plugins are still there.
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Re: SeaMonkey crash

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Connie  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>
>> The bookmarks file is no longer used.  That info is now in places.sqlite.
>
>> When your current profile is different from the one where you found the
>> mail, you can create the required mail account in the new profile, then
>> close the program and using the explorer copy the folder Mail from the
>> old profile to the new profile.   This is where all your mail files are.
>>
>> When you then start Seamonkey again, the mail should be back.
>>
>> To be sure, I would install version 2.14.1 and not 2.15 or higher.
>> There appears to be a problem in that version, as I have seen a couple
>> of postings about suddenly losing the profile.
>
> Hallo
>
> Good news!
>
> I downloaded and installed 2.14.1.  Then copied the Profile folder to 
> a safe place.  Next checked the profile and opened SeaMonkey again.
>
> Success!!!
>
> *All* the local folders were there and so were the contents.  That's 
> where most of my work was stored.

Ok, that is great (and what was to be expected).
It tells you not to panic because something does not show up anymore :)

> The email accounts didn't reappear so I'll have to sort that out tomorrow.

Yes that is what I said.  You need to create the mail accounts.  That
is normally very simple.

> Thank you very very much for your help.  It is really appreciated.
>
> The browser has found both my home page (never used) and that I prefer 
> it to open on a blank page.  It hasn't picked up the bookmarks though 
> but I'll rebuild them from those I've salvaged.

Your bookmarks are normally in the file places.sqlite that you can
copy over from the old to the new profile, but they are also backed
up regularly in a subfolder bookmarkbackups where you find several
files from different dates, and you can import those in the program.

> Thank you again and a big hug.
>
> A very grateful and relieved Connie in London
> .

Ok good luck.   But I still recommend you to implement some backup
solution to an external USB stick or disk.
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Re: SeaMonkey crash

[Rob]

NoOp  wrote:
> On 01/23/2013 01:23 PM, Connie wrote:
>> NoOp wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd rethink taking that "advise" were I you:
>>> 
>> 
>> Not take which advice?  Uninstalling the version already installed? 
>> Installing over the top or not doing so?  Or not installing 2.14.1?
>
> Installing 2.14.1 instead of the current 2.15.1.
>
> Notice that 2.15 fixes 12 /Critical/ security issues, and 6 /High/
> security issues.

Wait.  Each and every new release combines security fixes with
functional changes and new bugs.   It is like that, no matter if
you like it or not.   It is not always good to install the latest
release, because they (lately) often come with critical problems
that affect the average user much much more than a security issue.

The security issue only hits you when you visit some infected site,
the new bugs often hit you all the time and right in the face.

Watch for example what happened with IMAP mail in 2.13.  We had to
rollback the entire Seamonkey deployment in our company because of
critical bugs in 2.13.   Now we use 2.14.1 but I am again very
wary to upgrade without extensive testing and making sure there
are no stupid bugs like the font bug that was introduced into the
HTML editor (and forced us to disable font size changes in the
mail composition)

Security issues are important, but functional bugs are also (and
even more) important.  Unfortunately, Mozilla does not separate
them like Microsoft does.   With Microsoft Internet Explorer we
get functionally stable releases for which security bugs are solved
with updates with as little functional impact as possible.
With Mozilla you basically get security issues fixed only in the
"current version", and whenever a security bug is fixed they entice
you to upgrade to a new version with functional changes and new
bugs, that are fixed only very slowly.   This means that many users
just stay at (slightly) older versions.
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Re: SeaMonkey crash

[Rob]

NoOp  wrote:
> On 01/24/2013 12:38 AM, Rob wrote:
>> NoOp  wrote:
>>> On 01/23/2013 01:23 PM, Connie wrote:
>>>> NoOp wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'd rethink taking that "advise" were I you:
>>>>> <https://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/seamonkey.html>
>>>> 
>>>> Not take which advice?  Uninstalling the version already installed? 
>>>> Installing over the top or not doing so?  Or not installing 2.14.1?
>>>
>>> Installing 2.14.1 instead of the current 2.15.1.
>>>
>>> Notice that 2.15 fixes 12 /Critical/ security issues, and 6 /High/
>>> security issues.
>> 
>> Wait.  Each and every new release combines security fixes with
>> functional changes and new bugs.   It is like that, no matter if
>> you like it or not.   It is not always good to install the latest
>> release, because they (lately) often come with critical problems
>> that affect the average user much much more than a security issue.
>
> So you are advising every "average user" here to back down to 2.14.1?

I have read several times here that users experience issues after the
upgrade to 2.15 and I think that people should know that the updates
that Mozilla tells them are for security are actually just snapshots
of an ongoing development process.  When they cannot live with the new
problems of a new release, they should stay at a release that proved
to work OK.   One of them is 2.12.1 and it looks like 2.14.1 is also
working reasonably as long as you don't specify a default fontsize in
the mail composition and do not change the fontsize yourself.

>> The security issue only hits you when you visit some infected site,
>> the new bugs often hit you all the time and right in the face.
>
> I recommend that you actually take the time to *read* the fixed security
> issues.
>
> And do you think you will have a heads up for every "infected site"? Or
> that all of the security fixes/vulnerabilities only involve the browser
> component?

Again, I consider security updates very important, but unfortunately
Mozilla doesn't issue them.

>> Watch for example what happened with IMAP mail in 2.13.  We had to
>> rollback the entire Seamonkey deployment in our company because of
>> critical bugs in 2.13.   Now we use 2.14.1 but I am again very
>> wary to upgrade without extensive testing and making sure there
>> are no stupid bugs like the font bug that was introduced into the
>> HTML editor (and forced us to disable font size changes in the
>> mail composition)
>
> Odd, I don't see that mentioned in your posts here. But see no
> improvement on the IMAP issues that I experience regardless of version.
> (I click on an IMAP account & get continuous download symptoms until I
> click away).

The discussion happened in Bugzilla, not here.

> Your election to wait to install 2.15.x across 400+ computers is, of
> course your choice. It may even be a good choice in your
> situation/environment, but in the interim your company is at risk to the
> CVE's listed. That said, I'd be pretty hesitant to tell someone an
> individual on this list to stay at a 2.14 release without (IMO) good
> reason.

We are not very much at risk, because our users work as nonprivileged
users, software installs are disabled (among other things locked down
using a long lockPref file), a software restriction policy is in place
that allows users only to execute programs installed by the admin in
directories users cannot write to, and a proxy is between the users
and internet that filters many threats.  And of course there is an
on-access virus/trojan scanner.

It is a much greater risk to the company when the users suddenly can't
use their e-mail, cannot access attachments they received, cannot
compose mail because of a custom setting they made, cannot edit an
intranet page because of a silly bug introduced in the browser, etc
etc etc.
It is a fact of life that every new release introduces high-profile
bugs, and it takes months or years to subsequently remove them.

>> With Mozilla you basically get security issues fixed only in the
>> "current version", and whenever a security bug is fixed they entice
>> you to upgrade to a new version with functional changes and new
>> bugs, that are fixed only very slowly.   This means that many users
>> just stay at (slightly) older versions.
>
> I reckon that with the 400 MSO (mail & browser) license fees that your
> company saves by using SeaMonkey, perhaps your company can contribute
> something to the SeaMonkey project?
> <https://donate.mozilla.org/page/contribute/seamonkey>
> <http://www.seamonkey-project.org/dev/

Re: SeaMonkey crash

[Rob]

Connie  wrote:
> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>
>> You can still have that, if you create two shortcuts, one for each
>> function.
>>
>> Right-click the shortcut and choose "Properties." For the target,
>> you'll see something like this:
>> "C:\Program Files (x86)\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe"
>>
>> Change it to read
>> "C:\Program Files (x86)\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe" -mail
>> and it will always open the mail application.
>>
>> Change it to read
>> "C:\Program Files (x86)\SeaMonkey\seamonkey.exe" -browser
>> and it will always open the browser.
>>
>> So if you create two different shortcuts with the two different
>> instructions, each will open the desired application.
>
> Thank you.  That's very handy.

You can even change the icon to something different for mail and browser.
There are icons predefined, click the "change icon" button in the shorcut
properties, browse to the location where you installed Seamonkey, then
to chrome, to icons and there you can select one of them.
(e.g. messengerWindow.ico for the mail shortcut)
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.15

[Rob]

Daniel  wrote:
> Ray_Net wrote:
>> Philip TAYLOR wrote, On 15/01/2013 16:45:
>>>
>>> Ray_Net wrote:
>>>
 I think that he spaeak about Mails, not News  there is no Threads
 in mail.
>>> Yet there is a View / Threads option in Mail (I never use Usenet news),
>>> and changing the option changes the threads that are displayed . . .
>>>
>>> Philip Taylor
>> Oups ! You are true ... i never imagine that.
>> Anyway i have "All" for View-Threads option.
>> But i cannot see threads .. i see mails after mails without relations
>> between 2 mails.
>
> Ray, have you had any e-mails that should be threaded?? Here in NG, the 
> messages can easily be with-in threads, but I, for one, rarely get more 
> then one e-mail on the same thread!!

The threading relies on the References: header that each mail client should
fill with the message-IDs of the earlier messages in the thread.

Many mail clients don't do that, and then the threading does not work.
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Re: SeaMonkey 2.15

[Rob]

Daniel  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> Daniel  wrote:
>>> Ray_Net wrote:
>>>> Philip TAYLOR wrote, On 15/01/2013 16:45:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray_Net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that he spaeak about Mails, not News  there is no Threads
>>>>>> in mail.
>>>>> Yet there is a View / Threads option in Mail (I never use Usenet news),
>>>>> and changing the option changes the threads that are displayed . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> Philip Taylor
>>>> Oups ! You are true ... i never imagine that.
>>>> Anyway i have "All" for View-Threads option.
>>>> But i cannot see threads .. i see mails after mails without relations
>>>> between 2 mails.
>>>
>>> Ray, have you had any e-mails that should be threaded?? Here in NG, the
>>> messages can easily be with-in threads, but I, for one, rarely get more
>>> then one e-mail on the same thread!!
>>
>> The threading relies on the References: header that each mail client should
>> fill with the message-IDs of the earlier messages in the thread.
>>
>> Many mail clients don't do that, and then the threading does not work.
>
> Rob, for me, the *vast* majority of e-mails are me to one of my sisters, 
> or vice versa! They then reply - end of topicor should that be "end 
> of Subject"?? No need for threading!!
>
> However, I can see how other's usage may be different!

When you don't need threading, just click on the top right of the message
display and remove the appropriate checkmark.  The symbol will disappear.
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Thisbodypartwillbedownloadedondemand

[Rob]

With IMAP accounts without offline use checkmark, when forwarding
an e-mail with attachment, we still see the problem that the base64
coded attachment is replaced with the fixed string:

Thisbodypartwillbedownloadedondemand

This is a wellknown problem.  I understand how it occurs, but I
cannot understand why the coders are unable to fix it or at least
work around it.  It seems easy enough to check for the occurrence
of this string when preparing the mail for transmission, and download
the attachment at that time.

What we get reported is that people receive mail with corrupted
attachments (low-level error message from the program that tries
to open it, e.g. Word or PDF program), and when tracking things down
it is always a forwarded message that was forwarded without looking
at the attachment.  It is nasty because the person having the problem
has to go back to the person who forwarded the message and ask to
try again.  Very unprofessional when this happens external to the
company.
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Re: Phishing and Malware Protection

[Rob]

Ray_Net  wrote:
> 2. A firefox guy is complaining about lag when accessing web pages .. 
> could this feature slow firefox.

This is not very likely.  The feature works by downloading a list
of infected sites at a certain interval, then storing this list
in a local file.  The file is then consulted during browsing.

So there is no extra query to a single server that has to reply before
a page is shown, like in some competing system.
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Re: Phishing and Malware Protection

[Rob]

Daniel  wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> Ray_Net  wrote:
>>> 2. A firefox guy is complaining about lag when accessing web pages ..
>>> could this feature slow firefox.
>>
>> This is not very likely.  The feature works by downloading a list
>> of infected sites at a certain interval, then storing this list
>> in a local file.  The file is then consulted during browsing.
>>
>> So there is no extra query to a single server that has to reply before
>> a page is shown, like in some competing system.
>
> Hey, Rob, in your first para, you say that a list is downloaded, so in 
> your second para, you *must be wrong* when you state there is "no extra 
> query to a single server that has to reply".
>
> Of course, this extra wait time will depend on how often SM has to 
> download the list of infected sites, daily, weekly, whatever.

No.  There is no extra wait time.  The download proceeds in the background
while you are working on your computer, not at the time you click a link.
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Re: Phishing and Malware Protection

[Rob]

Daniel  wrote:
> MCBastos wrote:
>> Interviewed by CNN on 29/01/2013 10:47, Daniel told the world:
>>> Rob wrote:
>>>> Ray_Net  wrote:
>>>>> 2. A firefox guy is complaining about lag when accessing web pages ..
>>>>> could this feature slow firefox.
>>>>
>>>> This is not very likely.  The feature works by downloading a list
>>>> of infected sites at a certain interval, then storing this list
>>>> in a local file.  The file is then consulted during browsing.
>>>>
>>>> So there is no extra query to a single server that has to reply before
>>>> a page is shown, like in some competing system.
>>>
>>> Hey, Rob, in your first para, you say that a list is downloaded, so in
>>> your second para, you *must be wrong* when you state there is "no extra
>>> query to a single server that has to reply".
>>>
>>> Of course, this extra wait time will depend on how often SM has to
>>> download the list of infected sites, daily, weekly, whatever.
>>
>> No, you missed the rest of the sentence: "...that has to reply before a
>> page is shown."
>>
>> What Rob meant is that Firefox won't stop loading the page you want to
>> visit while checking a particular server to see if that page is clean.
>> Instead, it has a previously-downloaded blacklist of problem sites.
>
> So, e.g. Yesterday SM downloaded a list. The site I am now visiting was 
> not on that list, however this site may have been added to the list 
> overnight, so I've been phished/spammed/whatever, even though I was 
> doing the right thing!!
>
> Some protection, maybe, but not total!!

Yes.  That is how it always is.  You can never get total protection
from a system like this.

Even with a system that queries an online server, you have the problem
that you may visit a site that is not yet known to serve malware, so
the server says "OK" and you get infected anyway.

It is the same with virus scanners.  That is why it is always better
to setup the system in such a way that software cannot be installed
or run as downloaded by the logged-in user.  Use a separate account
for surfing and for administering the system (installing software).
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Re: Phishing and Malware Protection

[Rob]

Daniel  wrote:
>> It is the same with virus scanners.  That is why it is always better
>> to setup the system in such a way that software cannot be installed
>> or run as downloaded by the logged-in user.  Use a separate account
>> for surfing and for administering the system (installing software).
>
> or use Linux and *don't* run it as Root!

Actually, Windows provides more and better mechanisms to guard the non-admin
user against unwilling execution of malware than Linux does.

The problem is that some of the mechanisms are not enabled by default,
and others are enabled but are often turned off by users because they
are considered too invasive.

The only real advantages a Linux user has over a Windows user are the
smaller number of Linux systems and hence less attraction from people
who want to break in, and the lack of standardization which makes it
difficult to develop portable applications (both for hackers and for
normal software developers).
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