Gmail

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how do you do if you want to receive gmail in seamonkey?

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Re: Any way to get gmail to work with SeaMonkey?

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I have my mail (from Gmail) forwarded to my SM acct, and have IMAP ACCESS 
IMAP Disabled
POP, untouched
there is a POP, FAQ,   if you didnt see it.

have no problem... other than 1 car website, that Google thinks is bad, and cant seem to 
relay their daily messages to me, or maybe its my local ISP that is kicking it back


EE wrote on 11/12/20 1:35 PM:
I have tried to get gmail to send messages to SeaMonkey, but it only returns an error 
message.  I have set the prot numbers for IMAP and SMTP correctly for gmail and used 0auth2 
for the authentication, but it still will not work.  What else is necessary?


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Re: Any way to get gmail to work with SeaMonkey?

[Somebody or Other]

EE wrote:

I have tried to get gmail to send messages to SeaMonkey, but it only 
returns an error message.  I have set the prot numbers for IMAP and SMTP 
correctly for gmail and used 0auth2 for the authentication, but it still 
will not work.  What else is necessary?


Log into Gmail's website and set the pref to allow POP downloads (what 
they used to call "unsafe applications").


Settings | Forwarding and POP/IMAP | Enable POP for all mail (even mail 
that's already been downloaded)

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Any way to get gmail to work with SeaMonkey?

[EE]

I have tried to get gmail to send messages to SeaMonkey, but it only 
returns an error message.  I have set the prot numbers for IMAP and SMTP 
correctly for gmail and used 0auth2 for the authentication, but it still 
will not work.  What else is necessary?

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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[Geoff Welsh]

mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote:
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I don't recall for certain, and no longer have a GMail account to
check, but when I did I think GMail ignored the client's setting to
delete or retain messages downloaded via POP.  Instead, there was a
setting somewhere in GMail's web interface to set what it would do
with messages downloaded by POP (delete or retain).  So check that
too.  It could also be that they've changed that behaviour to honour
the client's setting (which might have been set to delete messages
all along, but ignored by GMail until now) or changed the options on
their side in some other way.


That is correct, and I had (somehow) figured that out a few years ago, 
when I got them both set-up.  Everything was functioning normally, by 
the time I got to both machines for side by side testing, so a google 
glitch is the likely suspect.  Thank you.

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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[Geoff Welsh]

NFN Smith wrote:
(to GW)


Are you using IMAP or POP?  If IMAP, then both machines should be
seeing the exact same thing.

If you're using POP, it is possible for sharing among multiple
machines (at least for the Inbox), but if you're doing that, you
really want to adjust your mail retention settings so that one POP
client isn't deleting stuff from the server when downloading, and the
other machine doesn't get to see that stuff.  I do POP on my primary
profile, and set mail retention to not delete for 2 weeks, which
allows any other profiles I use (all IMAP) to always have the last 2
weeks of received mail available.

Although it's possible that Google may have have had some sort of
temporary glitch, the other possibility would be that the upstairs
machine may have gotten its mail retention settings changed,
somehow.

It's also possible that somehow, on the downstairs machine, the
tracking of POP status got confused.  I don't remember the file name
for that, so I won't suggest what you could do to check.


At this point, you do want to take a look at the mailbox from a web
client, and see what's on the server.

Smith



Thank you Smith.  By the time I got to both machines for side by side 
comparison, (both IMAP set-up) a few test emails from me, were both 
correctly received by both machines.  So, random glitch on their side is 
all I can conclude.

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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[Geoff Welsh]

Bill Spikowski wrote:

(To GW)

It could be something not within your control, perhaps related to this
issue:


Can’t send something on Gmail? If so then you’re in good company, ever
since about midnight ET, people have been complaining about issues
connecting to many of the G suite services, but especially Gmail.


(copied from https://www.engadget.com/gmail-is-down-053821685.html)



Great! Thank you Bill.  I had done a quick search for gmail issues and 
didn't find that.  Also, when I got to the machines later to run 
testing, both were receiving the same test messages I sent, at that time 
(from me).  So I must presume Google fixed itself.

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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[Geoff Welsh]

Edward wrote:

(to GW)
One thing to check in the settings is to make sure both systems are *not
polling GMail at the exact same time*. If this occurs, it's entirely
possible that GMail would see an abnormal number of simultaneous
connections from your IP address and blocked the second system from
connecting.

Earlier this year, I had a similar problem, although not with SeaMonkey
or Gmail, where a new Android e-mail app I was trying, unexpectedly
caused an excessive number of connections to a provider's IMAP server
all at once, which (1) exceeded the connection limit and (2) resulted in
the account becoming temporarily locked. The app in question was
establishing connections with /every IMAP folder/, which I was told it
should not have been doing.

Hope this helps.



Thank you Edward.  The two machines are (to my knowledge) not awake at 
the same time.  When I got to the machines later to run testing, both 
were receiving the same test messages I sent, at that time (from me). 
So I guess it was a random glitch or Google fixed itself.

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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

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NFN Smith wrote:

Geoff Welsh wrote:
So, my mom, has an "upstairs Mac" and "downstairs Mac" both set-up for 
SeaMonkey to "get messages" from the same @gmail.com  address.


They both retrieve all the same messages every day (for years now), to 
help her remember things, and save her the precariousness of carrying 
a computer up or down stairs.


Today she tells me the downstairs Mac didn't get any of the messages 
that the upstairs one did.


Did Google change something or was this a glitch in the matrix today, 
Sat Aug 22, 2020?



Are you using IMAP or POP?  If IMAP, then both machines should be seeing 
the exact same thing.


If you're using POP, it is possible for sharing among multiple machines 
(at least for the Inbox), but if you're doing that, you really want to 
adjust your mail retention settings so that one POP client isn't 
deleting stuff from the server when downloading, and the other machine 
doesn't get to see that stuff.  I do POP on my primary profile, and set 
mail retention to not delete for 2 weeks, which allows any other 
profiles I use (all IMAP) to always have the last 2 weeks of received 
mail available.


Although it's possible that Google may have have had some sort of 
temporary glitch, the other possibility would be that the upstairs 
machine may have gotten its mail retention settings changed, somehow.


I don't recall for certain, and no longer have a GMail account to check, 
but when I did I think GMail ignored the client's setting to delete or 
retain messages downloaded via POP.  Instead, there was a setting 
somewhere in GMail's web interface to set what it would do with messages 
downloaded by POP (delete or retain).  So check that too.  It could also 
be that they've changed that behaviour to honour the client's setting 
(which might have been set to delete messages all along, but ignored by 
GMail until now) or changed the options on their side in some other way.


It's also possible that somehow, on the downstairs machine, the tracking 
of POP status got confused.  I don't remember the file name for that, so 
I won't suggest what you could do to check.


Also possible, though my experience has usually been that something 
going wrong there leads to duplicate copies of previous messages being 
downloaded from the server.


Back up your profile before messing with it!

Still assuming you are using POP and not IMAP...  There's a popstate.dat 
file in the local message storage directory for the account.  You could 
try deleting it (with SeaMonkey closed), but be aware that will lead to 
any messages still on the server being downloaded again, leading to 
duplicates or restoring previously deleted messages.  Before doing this, 
you may want to apply a tag to all messages currently in the local 
inbox, so that you can tell which ones are newly downloaded (and 
possible duplicated) and which were already in the local folder.


At this point, you do want to take a look at the mailbox from a web 
client, and see what's on the server.


That's always useful to help see what's going on!  If the messages are 
still on the server, the question is why the second client hasn't 
downloaded them.  If they're not still on the server, the question is 
why they've been deleted after the first client received them.


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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[NFN Smith]

Geoff Welsh wrote:
So, my mom, has an "upstairs Mac" and "downstairs Mac" both set-up for 
SeaMonkey to "get messages" from the same @gmail.com  address.


They both retrieve all the same messages every day (for years now), to 
help her remember things, and save her the precariousness of carrying a 
computer up or down stairs.


Today she tells me the downstairs Mac didn't get any of the messages 
that the upstairs one did.


Did Google change something or was this a glitch in the matrix today, 
Sat Aug 22, 2020?



Are you using IMAP or POP?  If IMAP, then both machines should be seeing 
the exact same thing.


If you're using POP, it is possible for sharing among multiple machines 
(at least for the Inbox), but if you're doing that, you really want to 
adjust your mail retention settings so that one POP client isn't 
deleting stuff from the server when downloading, and the other machine 
doesn't get to see that stuff.  I do POP on my primary profile, and set 
mail retention to not delete for 2 weeks, which allows any other 
profiles I use (all IMAP) to always have the last 2 weeks of received 
mail available.


Although it's possible that Google may have have had some sort of 
temporary glitch, the other possibility would be that the upstairs 
machine may have gotten its mail retention settings changed, somehow.


It's also possible that somehow, on the downstairs machine, the tracking 
of POP status got confused.  I don't remember the file name for that, so 
I won't suggest what you could do to check.



At this point, you do want to take a look at the mailbox from a web 
client, and see what's on the server.


Smith

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Re: SeaMonkey mail and Gmail - starting today

[Bill Spikowski]

Geoff Welsh wrote:

So, my mom, has an "upstairs Mac" and "downstairs Mac" both set-up for SeaMonkey to 
"get messages" from the same @gmail.com  address.

They both retrieve all the same messages every day (for years now), to help her 
remember things, and save her the precariousness of carrying a computer up or 
down stairs.

Today she tells me the downstairs Mac didn't get any of the messages that the 
upstairs one did.

Did Google change something or was this a glitch in the matrix today, Sat Aug 
22, 2020?

I set up both Mac machines exactly the same, about four years agodon't 
really recall all that much about it100% of the time it is not a Mac or SM 
problem. IMEso I figure somebody else should have experienced this.

I have time later to do testing, but figured I'd ask first.

Anyone?
GW





It could be something not within your control, perhaps related to this issue:


Can’t send something on Gmail? If so then you’re in good company, ever since 
about midnight ET, people have been complaining about issues connecting to many 
of the G suite services, but especially Gmail.


(copied from https://www.engadget.com/gmail-is-down-053821685.html)

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[Edward]

Geoff Welsh wrote:
So, my mom, has an "upstairs Mac" and "downstairs Mac" both set-up for 
SeaMonkey to "get messages" from the same @gmail.com  address.


They both retrieve all the same messages every day (for years now), to 
help her remember things, and save her the precariousness of carrying a 
computer up or down stairs.


Today she tells me the downstairs Mac didn't get any of the messages 
that the upstairs one did.


Did Google change something or was this a glitch in the matrix today, 
Sat Aug 22, 2020?


I set up both Mac machines exactly the same, about four years 
agodon't really recall all that much about it100% of the time it 
is not a Mac or SM problem. IMEso I figure somebody else should have 
experienced this.


I have time later to do testing, but figured I'd ask first.

Anyone?
GW


One thing to check in the settings is to make sure both systems are *not 
polling GMail at the exact same time*. If this occurs, it's entirely 
possible that GMail would see an abnormal number of simultaneous 
connections from your IP address and blocked the second system from 
connecting.


Earlier this year, I had a similar problem, although not with SeaMonkey 
or Gmail, where a new Android e-mail app I was trying, unexpectedly 
caused an excessive number of connections to a provider's IMAP server 
all at once, which (1) exceeded the connection limit and (2) resulted in 
the account becoming temporarily locked. The app in question was 
establishing connections with /every IMAP folder/, which I was told it 
should not have been doing.


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[Geoff Welsh]

So, my mom, has an "upstairs Mac" and "downstairs Mac" both set-up for 
SeaMonkey to "get messages" from the same @gmail.com  address.


They both retrieve all the same messages every day (for years now), to 
help her remember things, and save her the precariousness of carrying a 
computer up or down stairs.


Today she tells me the downstairs Mac didn't get any of the messages 
that the upstairs one did.


Did Google change something or was this a glitch in the matrix today, 
Sat Aug 22, 2020?


I set up both Mac machines exactly the same, about four years 
agodon't really recall all that much about it100% of the time it 
is not a Mac or SM problem. IMEso I figure somebody else should have 
experienced this.


I have time later to do testing, but figured I'd ask first.

Anyone?
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Re: Can one stop the side sliding Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, + THING

[WaltS48]

On 8/14/2018 7:37 PM, DoctorBill wrote:
Some web sites - like FoxNews "Sponsored" sites - keep sliding an 
annoying set of links in on the left which obscure the Text.


Each page viewed has this "slide in" THING and I would like to know if 
there is anything one can do to stop it ?


Top - "f" symbol.
Second  - Bird symbol (Twitter)
Third - +g symbol
Forth - "+" symbol.

Won't go away !  It is like those wretched TV channels that throw 
advertising at the bottom of the screen while watching a movie or show. 
Tasteless moronic marketing !


DoctorBill


Sounds like the social media bar that some sites have so you can easily 
click and follow the story.


I've tried a few stories on FoxNews and didn't see any slide into those 
pages.


How about a link where you get one?
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Can one stop the side sliding Facebook, Twitter, Gmail, + THING

[DoctorBill]

Some web sites - like FoxNews "Sponsored" sites - keep sliding an 
annoying set of links in on the left which obscure the Text.


Each page viewed has this "slide in" THING and I would like to know if 
there is anything one can do to stop it ?


Top - "f" symbol.
Second  - Bird symbol (Twitter)
Third - +g symbol
Forth - "+" symbol.

Won't go away !  It is like those wretched TV channels that throw 
advertising at the bottom of the screen while watching a movie or show. 
Tasteless moronic marketing !


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Re: SeaMonkey as remedy for a {youtube|gmail|cookie|OAuth 2.0} problem?

[NoOp]

On 02/07/2018 08:48 AM, Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 2/7/2018 at 11:03 AM, Richard Owlett created this epitome of digital 
> genius:
>> My use of SeaMonkey dates from preferences evolved in Netscape days.
>> My brother (using Firefox on Windows 10) for browsing and gmail has 
>> noticed recent problems. His problem description is anonymously viewing 
>> youtube videos triggers a burst of unsolicited emails.
>> 
>> I'm a Linux user with no interest in videos and who avoids social media 
>> like the plague since contact with Facebook years ago. Thus I've no 
>> personal experience to help interpret his descriptions. I can not 
>> personally observe the problem as he lives 1000 miles away.
> You can using Teamviewer.  It's free.
> 
> https://www.teamviewer.us/downloads/
> 

+1 on teamviewer. However I highly recommend that you *not* use version
13 on your linux machine - the interface is kludgy & unfinished and,
missing many features (file transfer, messaging, etc., etc). Instead use
version 12:
https://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/previous-versions/
  Linux (v12.0.90041):
  TeamViewer deb 32-Bit / 64-Bit Multiarch
http://download.teamviewer.com/download/version_12x/teamviewer_i386.deb
I recommend this version over the 'TeamViewer deb 64-Bit without
Multiarch' version as you may run into dependency issues with this one
on your system.

Note: TV version 13 works fine (with full bells & whistles) on Windows.
All versions are free for personal use.
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[Ed Mullen]

On 2/7/2018 at 11:03 AM, Richard Owlett created this epitome of digital 
genius:

My use of SeaMonkey dates from preferences evolved in Netscape days.
My brother (using Firefox on Windows 10) for browsing and gmail has 
noticed recent problems. His problem description is anonymously viewing 
youtube videos triggers a burst of unsolicited emails.


I'm a Linux user with no interest in videos and who avoids social media 
like the plague since contact with Facebook years ago. Thus I've no 
personal experience to help interpret his descriptions. I can not 
personally observe the problem as he lives 1000 miles away.

You can using Teamviewer.  It's free.

https://www.teamviewer.us/downloads/

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SeaMonkey as remedy for a {youtube|gmail|cookie|OAuth 2.0} problem?

[Richard Owlett]

My use of SeaMonkey dates from preferences evolved in Netscape days.
My brother (using Firefox on Windows 10) for browsing and gmail has 
noticed recent problems. His problem description is anonymously viewing 
youtube videos triggers a burst of unsolicited emails.


I'm a Linux user with no interest in videos and who avoids social media 
like the plague since contact with Facebook years ago. Thus I've no 
personal experience to help interpret his descriptions. I can not 
personally observe the problem as he lives 1000 miles away.


A discussion on a user group with a Linux focus causes me to suspect a 
cookie problem. However I've just read an unrelated thread that briefly 
discussed OAuth 2.0 issues. I've just done a preliminary web search. A 
Wikipedia article causes suspicion that it may be part of the problem as 
some of its description jibes with some of the user group thread.


I'm considering suggesting he replace Firefox with SeaMonkey because:
  1. I'm familiar with it.
  2. I suspect using SM's POP email client will give him a more
 comfortable experience. POP has the advantage over IMAP as it has
 option to delete emails from server as they are downloaded. The
 sync capability of IMAP is unnecessary as he has only one computer.
  3. A simple cookie policy should remedy or prevent problems.

Some questions:
  1. Does SeaMonkey's OAuth 2.0 implementation make it simple to set
 allow/disallow connections easily?
  2. Would a cookie policy session cookies only and no third party
 cookies be as useful for him as it has for me?
  3. Have I missed anything?

TIA
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Re: Gmail: unknown device blocked

[Paul Marwick]

A Williams wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:

I've been using Seamonkey mail as my primary email client for a long
time. My main email account is a gmail account, which has been in
existence for a long time as well.

Twice since I installed 2.49.1, I've had messages from Gmail saying that
someone tried to use my password from an unknown device. In both cases,
Seamonkey had been running against the gmail account for a period of
hours at least. One instance was my laptop, then today I got a similar
warning regarding my desktop machine (which runs Seamonkey mail all the
time).

In both instances, once I confirmed that the IP used for the "attempt"
was my own IP, things have gone back to normal.

Is anyone else seeing this sort of error? It may be that Google has done
something to change its security, but it does seem odd that I've only
seen the error since I installed the latest version, and it also seems
odd that Google can't identify the device, even though it normally shows
that I'm accessing the account from a Linux based machine. At the time,
the only thing accessing the Gmail account would have been Seamonkey...

I've also got another IMAP account which is behaving a little oddly. I
access it both with Seamonkey mail and through a webmail interface (the
webmail interface is the most recent version of Horde). Suddenly, any
time I attempt to use the webmail interface from Seamonkey, it is
reporting that the browser doesn't support javascript or javascript is
disabled. I've not changed anything, and I was able to access the
webmail interface after the upgrade to 2.49.1. I can still access it
correctly in Chromium or Firefox - its only Seamonkey that has the 
problem.


I'm using the official Arch Linux Seamonkey build:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
Build identifier: 20171107205422

Paul.



As you can see from the User Agent, I'm still on 2.46.
I have two ISPs, my "normal" one and one for emergencies when the 
"normal" one does not work for some reason (they are totally seperate).

Yesterday I had a problem and switched to the backup ISP.
My gmail access is via IMAP and gmail complained almost immediately, 
saying someone had access to my password and asking if this was really 
me.  The attempted access was blocked.


In my case the messages (and the access) were legitimate.


That sounds exactly like the problem I had. So at least its not 
something in 2.49.1 - just gmail doing strange things. I had another 
strange problem with Gmail a few days ago - I had been logged into my 
gmail account both on the desktop upstairs and on my laptop. Just as I 
was getting ready to pack up and go to bed, I got a pop-up from gmail 
telling me to log in via the web. Didn't make much sense, since I hadn't 
got one of the "someone tried your password" messages this time. But I 
couldn't access Gmail from the laptop at all, so I fired up the browser 
and did as asked. That worked, but I still couldn't use the email client 
to log in to gmail.


After going back and forwards a few times, I gave up and went to check 
the desktop. Which had exactly the same problem. And also didn't want to 
clear. After a lot of struggling, I got gmail to accept al login from 
Thunderbird (which I had configured but hadn't used in months). Still 
couldn't get anywhere with Seamonkey mail. In the end I gave up and went 
to bed.


Next morning the problem had gone - Seamonkey mail was working again. So 
whatever gmail broke, they fixed. For the moment at least


Paul.


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Re: Gmail: unknown device blocked

[A Williams]

Paul Marwick wrote:

I've been using Seamonkey mail as my primary email client for a long
time. My main email account is a gmail account, which has been in
existence for a long time as well.

Twice since I installed 2.49.1, I've had messages from Gmail saying that
someone tried to use my password from an unknown device. In both cases,
Seamonkey had been running against the gmail account for a period of
hours at least. One instance was my laptop, then today I got a similar
warning regarding my desktop machine (which runs Seamonkey mail all the
time).

In both instances, once I confirmed that the IP used for the "attempt"
was my own IP, things have gone back to normal.

Is anyone else seeing this sort of error? It may be that Google has done
something to change its security, but it does seem odd that I've only
seen the error since I installed the latest version, and it also seems
odd that Google can't identify the device, even though it normally shows
that I'm accessing the account from a Linux based machine. At the time,
the only thing accessing the Gmail account would have been Seamonkey...

I've also got another IMAP account which is behaving a little oddly. I
access it both with Seamonkey mail and through a webmail interface (the
webmail interface is the most recent version of Horde). Suddenly, any
time I attempt to use the webmail interface from Seamonkey, it is
reporting that the browser doesn't support javascript or javascript is
disabled. I've not changed anything, and I was able to access the
webmail interface after the upgrade to 2.49.1. I can still access it
correctly in Chromium or Firefox - its only Seamonkey that has the problem.

I'm using the official Arch Linux Seamonkey build:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1
Build identifier: 20171107205422

Paul.



As you can see from the User Agent, I'm still on 2.46.
I have two ISPs, my "normal" one and one for emergencies when the 
"normal" one does not work for some reason (they are totally seperate).

Yesterday I had a problem and switched to the backup ISP.
My gmail access is via IMAP and gmail complained almost immediately, 
saying someone had access to my password and asking if this was really 
me.  The attempted access was blocked.


In my case the messages (and the access) were legitimate.
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Re: Gmail: unknown device blocked

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Paul Marwick wrote:


Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


Google has been pulling this crap for months, probably over a year
now. I routinely clear cookies automatically on shutdown, and
sometimes manually during a session, and Google uses cookies to
recognize your device. So every time I clear cookies, it thinks
I'm logging in with a new device and wants me to prove I'm me.


Interesting. I had no idea that the mail client used cookies at all.
I was able to log in using the web browser the first time it
happened. It was also the fact that normally when I get emails noting
a login from another device they are usually able to identify the OS,
which didn't happen in this case - it was just "unknown device".
Though most of the warning messages about logging in from other
devices would apply to a web login, not an IMAP connection from a
mail client.


OK, I didn't mean to claim that the mail client used cookies. I 
routinely retrieve Gmail by POP3 without difficulty (sorry, no IMAP 
experience). But if you go through the webmail it's a different story. 
That's when you have to jump through all those hoops. Yet another reason 
to hate webmails.


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Re: Gmail: unknown device blocked

[Paul Marwick]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Paul Marwick wrote:


I've been using Seamonkey mail as my primary email client for a long
time. My main email account is a gmail account, which has been in
existence for a long time as well.

Twice since I installed 2.49.1, I've had messages from Gmail saying
that someone tried to use my password from an unknown device. In both
cases, Seamonkey had been running against the gmail account for a
period of hours at least. One instance was my laptop, then today I
got a similar warning regarding my desktop machine (which runs
Seamonkey mail all the time).

In both instances, once I confirmed that the IP used for the
"attempt" was my own IP, things have gone back to normal.

Is anyone else seeing this sort of error? It may be that Google has
done something to change its security, but it does seem odd that I've
only seen the error since I installed the latest version, and it also
seems odd that Google can't identify the device, even though it
normally shows that I'm accessing the account from a Linux based
machine. At the time, the only thing accessing the Gmail account
would have been Seamonkey...
...


Google has been pulling this crap for months, probably over a year 
now. I routinely clear cookies automatically on shutdown, and 
sometimes manually during a session, and Google uses cookies to 
recognize your device. So every time I clear cookies, it thinks I'm 
logging in with a new device and wants me to prove I'm me.


Interesting. I had no idea that the mail client used cookies at all. I 
was able to log in using the web browser the first time it happened. It 
was also the fact that normally when I get emails noting a login from 
another device they are usually able to identify the OS, which didn't 
happen in this case - it was just "unknown device". Though most of the 
warning messages about logging in from other devices would apply to a 
web login, not an IMAP connection from a mail client.





In your case, I suspect the cookie had a time limit and expired. You 
can confirm/refute that by inspecting the cookie the next time you log 
in.




Thanks. I'll do some more checking. I've no idea what cookies are kept 
for google - I use the search engine, Google+ (not my favourite thing, 
but its the only way I can keep up with an Android app that I use) as 
well as maps and Google Keep. So I guess there are probably a heap of 
cookies in there. No idea what their expiry is either.


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Re: Gmail: unknown device blocked

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Paul Marwick wrote:


I've been using Seamonkey mail as my primary email client for a long
time. My main email account is a gmail account, which has been in
existence for a long time as well.

Twice since I installed 2.49.1, I've had messages from Gmail saying
that someone tried to use my password from an unknown device. In both
cases, Seamonkey had been running against the gmail account for a
period of hours at least. One instance was my laptop, then today I
got a similar warning regarding my desktop machine (which runs
Seamonkey mail all the time).

In both instances, once I confirmed that the IP used for the
"attempt" was my own IP, things have gone back to normal.

Is anyone else seeing this sort of error? It may be that Google has
done something to change its security, but it does seem odd that I've
only seen the error since I installed the latest version, and it also
seems odd that Google can't identify the device, even though it
normally shows that I'm accessing the account from a Linux based
machine. At the time, the only thing accessing the Gmail account
would have been Seamonkey...
...


Google has been pulling this crap for months, probably over a year now. 
I routinely clear cookies automatically on shutdown, and sometimes 
manually during a session, and Google uses cookies to recognize your 
device. So every time I clear cookies, it thinks I'm logging in with a 
new device and wants me to prove I'm me.


In your case, I suspect the cookie had a time limit and expired. You can 
confirm/refute that by inspecting the cookie the next time you log in.


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Gmail: unknown device blocked

[Paul Marwick]

I've been using Seamonkey mail as my primary email client for a long 
time. My main email account is a gmail account, which has been in 
existence for a long time as well.


Twice since I installed 2.49.1, I've had messages from Gmail saying that 
someone tried to use my password from an unknown device. In both cases, 
Seamonkey had been running against the gmail account for a period of 
hours at least. One instance was my laptop, then today I got a similar 
warning regarding my desktop machine (which runs Seamonkey mail all the 
time).


In both instances, once I confirmed that the IP used for the "attempt" 
was my own IP, things have gone back to normal.


Is anyone else seeing this sort of error? It may be that Google has done 
something to change its security, but it does seem odd that I've only 
seen the error since I installed the latest version, and it also seems 
odd that Google can't identify the device, even though it normally shows 
that I'm accessing the account from a Linux based machine. At the time, 
the only thing accessing the Gmail account would have been Seamonkey...


I've also got another IMAP account which is behaving a little oddly. I 
access it both with Seamonkey mail and through a webmail interface (the 
webmail interface is the most recent version of Horde). Suddenly, any 
time I attempt to use the webmail interface from Seamonkey, it is 
reporting that the browser doesn't support javascript or javascript is 
disabled. I've not changed anything, and I was able to access the 
webmail interface after the upgrade to 2.49.1. I can still access it 
correctly in Chromium or Firefox - its only Seamonkey that has the problem.


I'm using the official Arch Linux Seamonkey build:

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/52.0 SeaMonkey/2.49.1

Build identifier: 20171107205422

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Re: Gmail email list double text and missing toolbar

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Esther Lev wrote:


Using SeaMonkey 2.40 on a MacBook Air with Sierra

When I open seamonkey the google browser page opens with SeaMonkey tool
bar at the top of the screen. If  gmail is opened the toolbar remains
but the list of emails is double text-unstarred and the words unstarred
and then the name of the email on top of it.

When I open my second email account using the mail and newsgroup, the
email window opens with no toolbar. After opening an email there is no
way to return to the list of emails.

Pictures within Facebook and pop ups are blank

I deleted the old copy of SeaMonkey 2.40 and downloaded  a new version
and still have the same issues.


Yeh, SM will remember the settings saved in your profile, so 
reinstalling won't change them.


Hoping there's enough similarities to the Windows interface...

1) To reveal the toolbar, try Alt-V, which should give you the View 
menu, and you can check the box(es) to enable what you want.


2) Also, at the lower left corner of the email message you should see 
several icons, one that looks like an envelope. Click it to open the 
mail/news app.


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Gmail email list double text and missing toolbar

[Esther Lev]

Using SeaMonkey 2.40 on a MacBook Air with Sierra

When I open seamonkey the google browser page opens with SeaMonkey tool 
bar at the top of the screen. If  gmail is opened the toolbar remains 
but the list of emails is double text-unstarred and the words unstarred 
and then the name of the email on top of it.


When I open my second email account using the mail and newsgroup, the 
email window opens with no toolbar. After opening an email there is no 
way to return to the list of emails.


Pictures within Facebook and pop ups are blank


I  deleted the old copy of SeaMonkey 2.40 and downloaded  a new version 
and still have the same issues.

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Re: GMail Question.... and Help..

[JAS]

null wrote:

JAS wrote:

SamuelS wrote:

Hello all,

I have two (2) gmail accounts loaded on my desktop configured as well
only one (1) of these accounts configured on my laptop.

The issue I Am having is, on my desktop the account is only sporadically
dl'ing messages, i.e. five out of 35 I receive in a day. I also have
gone back to the web based account and marked as 'not read' and still
the desk top is not able to recognize the message as new.

Is there something I need to do to correct this? These are set as pop3
accounts retrievals.

TIA - bo1953

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


Maybe this will help some:
If you want to access Gmail using multiple pop-readers, you will need to
use Gmail's "recent mode".
Instructions --> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/47948

The trade-off is that if the pop-reader uses "recent mode", it will not
be able to access mail more than 30 days old.
Once it is read on one computer  it can not be read on another
even if it is saved on the GMail account and if if you mark it as
unread--the only way is ser it to "recent mode". You can with Yahoo or
Hotmail but not GMail.

JAS


JAS,

Thank you, this appeared to have worked... much appreciated

Glad it helped you.

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Re: GMail Question.... and Help..

[null]

JAS wrote:

SamuelS wrote:

Hello all,

I have two (2) gmail accounts loaded on my desktop configured as well
only one (1) of these accounts configured on my laptop.

The issue I Am having is, on my desktop the account is only sporadically
dl'ing messages, i.e. five out of 35 I receive in a day. I also have
gone back to the web based account and marked as 'not read' and still
the desk top is not able to recognize the message as new.

Is there something I need to do to correct this? These are set as pop3
accounts retrievals.

TIA - bo1953

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


Maybe this will help some:
If you want to access Gmail using multiple pop-readers, you will need to
use Gmail's "recent mode".
Instructions --> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/47948

The trade-off is that if the pop-reader uses "recent mode", it will not
be able to access mail more than 30 days old.
Once it is read on one computer  it can not be read on another 
even if it is saved on the GMail account and if if you mark it as 
unread--the only way is ser it to "recent mode". You can with Yahoo or 
Hotmail but not GMail.


JAS


JAS,

Thank you, this appeared to have worked... much appreciated
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Re: GMail Question.... and Help..

[JAS]

SamuelS wrote:

Hello all,

I have two (2) gmail accounts loaded on my desktop configured as well
only one (1) of these accounts configured on my laptop.

The issue I Am having is, on my desktop the account is only sporadically
dl'ing messages, i.e. five out of 35 I receive in a day. I also have
gone back to the web based account and marked as 'not read' and still
the desk top is not able to recognize the message as new.

Is there something I need to do to correct this? These are set as pop3
accounts retrievals.

TIA - bo1953

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


Maybe this will help some:
If you want to access Gmail using multiple pop-readers, you will need to
use Gmail's "recent mode".
Instructions --> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/47948

The trade-off is that if the pop-reader uses "recent mode", it will not
be able to access mail more than 30 days old.
	Once it is read on one computer  it can not be read on another even if 
it is saved on the GMail account and if if you mark it as unread--the 
only way is ser it to "recent mode". You can with Yahoo or Hotmail but 
not GMail.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[grayman2000]

On Wednesday, October 19, 2016 at 12:03:46 AM UTC+10, WaltS48 wrote:

> Remove the check mark for "Advertise Firefox compatibility".
> 
> REF: 

Thank you. Worked.
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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[rkobee]

On Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 8:01:47 PM UTC-4, Cruz, Jaime wrote:
> Just started seeing a message when I go to the GMail website: This 
> version of Firefox is no longer supported, please upgrade your browser.
> 
> Not sure when this started happening though.
> 
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I get the same error message and use the web log, gmail, to read my email.  Why 
should I move it into an IMAP or POP server (SeaMonkey) to read my mail.

It would be great if the next version of SeaMonkey address this error.

Robert Kobee
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Re: Google GMAIL

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Mark Blake wrote:


Google GMAIL has a banner on top of it's page that states:  This
version of FireFox is no longer supported. Please fix this.


Or ignore it. It won't keep you from using the site normally.

BTW, it's not SeaMonkey's fault that Google's web designers are so 
stupid, and the SM developers can't make them smarten up.


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Re: Google GMAIL

[WaltS48]

On 10/26/2016 04:31 PM, Mark Blake wrote:

Google GMAIL has a banner on top of it's page that states:  This version of 
FireFox is no longer supported. Please fix this.



Opps! Here is the link 
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/mozilla.support.seamonkey/sk6s_BXzNm0/stUZo3v0BwAJ>


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Re: Google GMAIL

[WaltS48]

On 10/26/2016 04:31 PM, Mark Blake wrote:

Google GMAIL has a banner on top of it's page that states:  This version of 
FireFox is no longer supported. Please fix this.



Fix it yourself. Disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility" using Edit > 
Preferences > Advanced > HTTP Networking and remove the check mark.


Something I suggested in this thread with some other solutions.


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Google GMAIL

[Mark Blake]

Google GMAIL has a banner on top of it's page that states:  This version of 
FireFox is no longer supported. Please fix this.
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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[Ray Davison]

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Just started seeing a message when I go to the GMail website: This
version of Firefox is no longer supported, please upgrade your browser.

Not sure when this started happening though.

I had not been to the Gmail site for a while - I POP Gmail to SM.  I 
just went to Gmail, got the same "no longer supported" line, but 
everything seems to still work.  And there were a couple non-SPAM 
messages in the SPAM folder.


I just created a filter on the Gmail site that finds any message with @ 
in the address, and does not send it to SPAM.  So we shall see.


Ray


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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[cyberzen]

Le 19/10/2016 21:09, NFN Smith a écrit :

Personally, I prefer using POP for my primary usage, and where I keep my
stores of mail going back nearly 20 years.


It is possible to move some messages from an IMAP hierarchy of folders 
to the equivalent hierarchy in the local folders space,

you just have to do it one folder at a time,
you may have whatever time of history (and accounts)
those local folders can synchronized between several machines

So I don't think it is a good reason to stay in POP


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Re: Gmail problem with SM 2.40

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Ray_Net wrote:


When I go on the Gmail site/page ... I got this message

This version of Firefox is no longer supported. Please upgrade to
a supported browser.


Works fine for me. Just click "Dismiss" and go on with your life.

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Re: Gmail problem with SM 2.40

[WaltS48]

On 10/22/2016 06:24 PM, Ray_Net wrote:

When I go on the Gmail site/page ... I got this message

This version of Firefox is no longer supported. Please upgrade to 
asupported browser.



Disable "Advertise Firefox compatibility". Edit > Preferences > Advanced 
> HTTP Networking and try again.


Firefox 43 is probably no longer supported.


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Gmail problem with SM 2.40

[Ray_Net]

When I go on the Gmail site/page ... I got this message

This version of Firefox is no longer supported. Please upgrade to 
asupported browser.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[NFN Smith]

Ed Mullen wrote:

On 10/19/2016 at 12:05 PM, Cruz, Jaime's prodigious digits fired off:

sean.nat...@invalid.knights.nee wrote:


just a question, why bother "logging in" to their websites at all, when
Seamonkey will download via pop or imap?

i mean, i have 12 e'mail addresses all being downloaded via imap just so
i never have to spend time logging into webmail pages.


Because that's the only way to check the Spam folder.



Nope.  My IMAP accounts have the spam folder in SeaMonkey mail and
Thunderbird.  I check and if there is a message that isn't spam then I
do jump into the Webmail interface to mark it not spam.



For seeing the contents of a server spam folder, IMAP works fine. 
However, if the server uses user-tuneable spam filtering (such as 
SpamAssassin), you can only adjust the tuning by interacting through a 
web client.


In my limited experience with client-level spam filtering, both 
Seamonkey and Thunderbird can be tuned and be set to deposit likely spam 
into the server's spam folder, but that's post-delivery handling that's 
done through the client, and won't affect the server's filtering.


With POP, part of the definition is that the client sees *only* the 
server's inbox, and if there are server-based processes that direct 
inbound mail to other folders (wither junk filters, or user-defined 
rules) then those messages will never be seen by a POP client. The only 
way to see them would be either through an IMAP client, or webmail 
(which is technically IMAP).


Depending on what you're doing, there's ways of using both POP and IMAP 
simultaneously.


Personally, I prefer using POP for my primary usage, and where I keep my 
stores of mail going back nearly 20 years. However, I make use of a lot 
of clients (on a variety of machines), and so I set my normal POP client 
to retain messages for 15 days. That allows me to see recent updates 
from IMAP configurations on secondary machines/clients, without 
disturbing POP. And in clients where I'm likely to compose mail, I 
adjust the configs so that copies of composed messages are saved in the 
Inbox (rather than the Sent folder), which allows me to have copies when 
I next connect with my normal POP client.


Back in the era of dialup connections, I found that if I had a large 
inbound message that took too long to download (and impeded delivery of 
other smaller messages that were further down in the inbox), it was 
useful to make a webmail connection to the server, move the offending 
large message to a folder, and then resume the POP connection. At a time 
that it was convenient to get the large message, then I'd go back and 
move that back into the Inbox.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ed Mullen wrote:
> On 10/19/2016 at 12:05 PM, Cruz, Jaime's prodigious digits fired off:
>> sean.nat...@invalid.knights.nee wrote:
>>
>>> just a question, why bother "logging in" to their websites at all, when
>>> Seamonkey will download via pop or imap?
>>>
>>> i mean, i have 12 e'mail addresses all being downloaded via imap just so
>>> i never have to spend time logging into webmail pages.
>>
>> Because that's the only way to check the Spam folder.
>>
> 
> Nope.  My IMAP accounts have the spam folder in SeaMonkey mail and
> Thunderbird.  I check and if there is a message that isn't spam then I
> do jump into the Webmail interface to mark it not spam.
> 

The problem is if you are using POP. Gmail will put it in spam folder on
the server and you will never see it in SeaMonkey. I was bit by that
long ago, but fixed it by making a filter to essentially disable Gmail's
spam filter so I could get all mail and filter with SeaMonkey's spam filter.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[Ed Mullen]

On 10/19/2016 at 12:05 PM, Cruz, Jaime's prodigious digits fired off:

sean.nat...@invalid.knights.nee wrote:


just a question, why bother "logging in" to their websites at all, when
Seamonkey will download via pop or imap?

i mean, i have 12 e'mail addresses all being downloaded via imap just so
i never have to spend time logging into webmail pages.


Because that's the only way to check the Spam folder.



Nope.  My IMAP accounts have the spam folder in SeaMonkey mail and 
Thunderbird.  I check and if there is a message that isn't spam then I 
do jump into the Webmail interface to mark it not spam.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[WaltS48]

On 10/19/2016 12:05 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

sean.nat...@invalid.knights.nee wrote:


just a question, why bother "logging in" to their websites at all, when
Seamonkey will download via pop or imap?

i mean, i have 12 e'mail addresses all being downloaded via imap just so
i never have to spend time logging into webmail pages.


Because that's the only way to check the Spam folder.

Well, if it's an IMAP account you shouldn't need to, but I do have to do 
it occasionally for my POP account.


I've found some interesting emails that Verizon thought was Spam.


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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[Cruz, Jaime]

sean.nat...@invalid.knights.nee wrote:


just a question, why bother "logging in" to their websites at all, when
Seamonkey will download via pop or imap?

i mean, i have 12 e'mail addresses all being downloaded via imap just so
i never have to spend time logging into webmail pages.


Because that's the only way to check the Spam folder.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[WaltS48]

On 10/16/2016 08:01 PM, Cruz, Jaime wrote:
Just started seeing a message when I go to the GMail website: This 
version of Firefox is no longer supported, please upgrade your browser.


Not sure when this started happening though.




Remove the check mark for "Advertise Firefox compatibility".

REF: <http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=14716887#p14716887>

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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[sean . nathan]

NFN Smith wrote:

sean.nat...@invalid.knights.nee wrote:


just a question, why bother "logging in" to their websites at all, when
Seamonkey will download via pop or imap?

i mean, i have 12 e'mail addresses all being downloaded via imap just so
i never have to spend time logging into webmail pages.


A good question

For the most part, I detest using webmail clients, and have a strong
preference for POP or IMAP.  However, I also maintain accounts with a
number of free providers, either for testing purposes, or thow-away
activity, where I generally don't care about what's delivered there. For
those kinds of accounts I really don't want to bother with setting up
POP or IMAP access, because it's rare that I want to check them, and I
don't want the distraction of having them available.

That said, I found that I make enough use of a Yahoo account that I did
set up IMAP access for that, and I check about once a day.  I use that
one just frequently enough that it's nice to not have to go through
Yahoo's login processes, although they have complained about an
inadequately secure setup, because I don't go through 2-factor
authentication.

For the mailboxes that I live in, I still prefer POP to IMAP, because it
fits my specific work flows.  However, one negative to POP is that if
there's a server-level spam folder, I have to make occasional web
checks, to inspect, to make sure that there isn't anything legitimate
that has turned up there (as well as adjusting server junk/not junk
designations).

Smith



Appreciate that response. I have always used pop access in the past, but 
have become irritated that the cox/gmail/live/or whatever servers don't 
delete their copies of the mail after I move or delete them, so I've 
been setting them all up in imap, for greater deletion control.


I generally despise the duplicative imap folders especially for gmail... 
inbox/all mail/imporant gives me 3 copies of everything incoming... 
gaaa


I gave up on yahoo as they previously made free pop access in the US 
difficult. If that has changed I may need to add those accounts back to 
Seamonkey again.


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Re: *Resolved* - Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[Jonathan N. Little]

sean.nat...@invalid.knights.nee wrote:
> Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> Cruz, Jaime wrote:
>>> SamuelS wrote:
>>>> Pat Connors wrote:
>>>>> I started getting also.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Just started seeing a message when I go to the GMail website: This
>>>>>> version of Firefox is no longer supported, please upgrade your
>>>>>> browser.



>>> WHAT solution?  He didn't provide one, he just said he was having the
>>> same issue?
>>>
>>
>> In the warning there is a "dismiss" link. Click it.
>>
> 
> one doesn't get this warning when downloading gmail via pop or imap into
> Seamonkey... going to the gmail website seems counterintuitive to me...

True, but OP said "when I go to the GMail website" where you do get that
message. Which I just confirmed it, but don't with pop...I use SeaMonkey
currently with gmail pop without issue.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[NFN Smith]

sean.nat...@invalid.knights.nee wrote:


just a question, why bother "logging in" to their websites at all, when
Seamonkey will download via pop or imap?

i mean, i have 12 e'mail addresses all being downloaded via imap just so
i never have to spend time logging into webmail pages.


A good question

For the most part, I detest using webmail clients, and have a strong 
preference for POP or IMAP.  However, I also maintain accounts with a 
number of free providers, either for testing purposes, or thow-away 
activity, where I generally don't care about what's delivered there. For 
those kinds of accounts I really don't want to bother with setting up 
POP or IMAP access, because it's rare that I want to check them, and I 
don't want the distraction of having them available.


That said, I found that I make enough use of a Yahoo account that I did 
set up IMAP access for that, and I check about once a day.  I use that 
one just frequently enough that it's nice to not have to go through 
Yahoo's login processes, although they have complained about an 
inadequately secure setup, because I don't go through 2-factor 
authentication.


For the mailboxes that I live in, I still prefer POP to IMAP, because it 
fits my specific work flows.  However, one negative to POP is that if 
there's a server-level spam folder, I have to make occasional web 
checks, to inspect, to make sure that there isn't anything legitimate 
that has turned up there (as well as adjusting server junk/not junk 
designations).


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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[sean . nathan]

NFN Smith wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Just started seeing a message when I go to the GMail website: This
version of Firefox is no longer supported, please upgrade your browser.

Not sure when this started happening though.




I'm seeing an uptick in sites complaining about Seamonkey, especially
mail providers.  I haven't checked Gmail recently, but I'm getting flak
from both mail.com and fastmail.

On these two, I just tested a little while ago on a "bare metal" profile
(minimal changes from defaults), and they aren't preventing me from
logging in, even if they're complaining.  However, I have my working
profile tweaked enough that I'm not able to log into either of those
sites, either in Safe Mode, or by using browser spoofing (showing
Firefox 49).

I know that with Seamonkey 2.40, the "advertise Firefox compatibility"
shows Firefox 43.0, and it may be that that's what various sites are
complaining about. I haven't checked, but it wouldn't surprise me that
those sites would be complaining about a connection a true Firefox 43.0
installation.

Smith


just a question, why bother "logging in" to their websites at all, when 
Seamonkey will download via pop or imap?


i mean, i have 12 e'mail addresses all being downloaded via imap just so 
i never have to spend time logging into webmail pages.

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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[Ed Mullen]

On 10/16/2016 at 11:29 PM, myhrd...@gmail.com's prodigious digits fired off:

On Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 7:01:47 PM UTC-5, Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Just started seeing a message when I go to the GMail website: This
version of Firefox is no longer supported, please upgrade your browser.

Not sure when this started happening though.

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Yes, it's fairly evident they're not reading the SeaMonkey part of the id but, 
the advertised FireFox compatibility tag.  I'm hoping that there's an update 
coming that catches SeaMonkey up to whatever update FF has had that's causing 
this nuisance bar to appear on us up top in GMail.  If I end up having to apply 
a trick again, it's going to mean making another weekend trip out of town to 
get several folks fixed too since many of my folks using SM are not tech-savvy 
at all. Very frustrating.



Don't make a trip, get Teamviewer:

<https://www.teamviewer.com/en/>


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Re: *Resolved* - Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[sean . nathan]

Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

SamuelS wrote:

Pat Connors wrote:

I started getting also.


Just started seeing a message when I go to the GMail website: This
version of Firefox is no longer supported, please upgrade your browser.



-- Pat Connors http://www.connorsgenealogy.com


Pat - thank you, this solution worked.

Thank you again

bo1953

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WHAT solution?  He didn't provide one, he just said he was having the
same issue?



In the warning there is a "dismiss" link. Click it.



one doesn't get this warning when downloading gmail via pop or imap into 
Seamonkey... going to the gmail website seems counterintuitive to me...


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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[NFN Smith]

Cruz, Jaime wrote:

Just started seeing a message when I go to the GMail website: This
version of Firefox is no longer supported, please upgrade your browser.

Not sure when this started happening though.




I'm seeing an uptick in sites complaining about Seamonkey, especially 
mail providers.  I haven't checked Gmail recently, but I'm getting flak 
from both mail.com and fastmail.


On these two, I just tested a little while ago on a "bare metal" profile 
(minimal changes from defaults), and they aren't preventing me from 
logging in, even if they're complaining.  However, I have my working 
profile tweaked enough that I'm not able to log into either of those 
sites, either in Safe Mode, or by using browser spoofing (showing 
Firefox 49).


I know that with Seamonkey 2.40, the "advertise Firefox compatibility" 
shows Firefox 43.0, and it may be that that's what various sites are 
complaining about. I haven't checked, but it wouldn't surprise me that 
those sites would be complaining about a connection a true Firefox 43.0 
installation.


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Re: *Resolved* - Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[Jonathan N. Little]

Cruz, Jaime wrote:
> SamuelS wrote:
>> Pat Connors wrote:
>>> I started getting also.
>>>
>>>> Just started seeing a message when I go to the GMail website: This
>>>> version of Firefox is no longer supported, please upgrade your browser.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Pat Connors http://www.connorsgenealogy.com
>>>
>> Pat - thank you, this solution worked.
>>
>> Thank you again
>>
>> bo1953
>>
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>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>>
> 
> WHAT solution?  He didn't provide one, he just said he was having the
> same issue?
> 

In the warning there is a "dismiss" link. Click it.

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Re: *Resolved* - Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[Cruz, Jaime]

SamuelS wrote:

Pat Connors wrote:

I started getting also.


Just started seeing a message when I go to the GMail website: This
version of Firefox is no longer supported, please upgrade your browser.



-- Pat Connors http://www.connorsgenealogy.com


Pat - thank you, this solution worked.

Thank you again

bo1953

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WHAT solution?  He didn't provide one, he just said he was having the 
same issue?


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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[Pat Connors]

I started getting also.

Just started seeing a message when I go to the GMail website: This 
version of Firefox is no longer supported, please upgrade your browser.



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Re: Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[myhrddin]

On Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 7:01:47 PM UTC-5, Cruz, Jaime wrote:
> Just started seeing a message when I go to the GMail website: This 
> version of Firefox is no longer supported, please upgrade your browser.
> 
> Not sure when this started happening though.
> 
> -- 
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> President
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> http://www.nassauwings.org/
> 
> AMA District 34
> http://www.AMADistrict34.com/
> Freddy's Run
> http://www.freddysrun.org/

Yes, it's fairly evident they're not reading the SeaMonkey part of the id but, 
the advertised FireFox compatibility tag.  I'm hoping that there's an update 
coming that catches SeaMonkey up to whatever update FF has had that's causing 
this nuisance bar to appear on us up top in GMail.  If I end up having to apply 
a trick again, it's going to mean making another weekend trip out of town to 
get several folks fixed too since many of my folks using SM are not tech-savvy 
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Seamonkey 2.40 and GMail

[Cruz, Jaime]

Just started seeing a message when I go to the GMail website: This 
version of Firefox is no longer supported, please upgrade your browser.


Not sure when this started happening though.

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Re: eMail GMail Fix Please

[Jonathan N. Little]

OG wrote:

GMail accounts.

I have an Inbox and under GMail I have All Mail on some GMail accounts.

Who or what sets the relationship between these such that I seem to get
the same mail in both and therefor have to deal with each.


Gmail. It is because you are accessing gmail as IMAP. As IMAP the mail 
is really on the server and you get the gmail mailbox structure.




How do I set things so I only get the mail in the InBox since that one
is mostly visible?


Use POP3 instead. But should note the difference

<https://www.google.com/search?q=IMAP+vs+POP3>



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eMail GMail Fix Please

[OG]

GMail accounts.

I have an Inbox and under GMail I have All Mail on some GMail accounts.

Who or what sets the relationship between these such that I seem to get 
the same mail in both and therefor have to deal with each.


How do I set things so I only get the mail in the InBox since that one 
is mostly visible?


Howsitwork?

Thank you. I will take the answer off the air.  lol
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Re: Google gmail did not respect my retention parameter

[Ralph Fox]

On Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:41:14 +0200, Ray_Net wrote:


I read my gmail box by using SM from pop.gmail.com.
My option is: "Leave message on the server"
The gmail-box don't care about my SM setting - the messages are never
accessibles by another pop-reader.
BUT are still presents when I access the gmail-box thru his website.



Gmail ignores the pop-reader's setting "Leave message on the server". 
Gmail's help says so.

  https://support.google.com/mail/troubleshooter/6323470
  ~ QUOTE ~~~~~
  Your POP settings in Gmail determine whether or not messages stay
  on the server, so changing the setting in the client won't make a
  difference.
  ~ QUOTE ~~~~~


If you want to access Gmail using multiple pop-readers, you will need to 
use Gmail's "recent mode".

Instructions --> https://support.google.com/mail/answer/47948

The trade-off is that if the pop-reader uses "recent mode", it will not 
be able to access mail more than 30 days old.



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Google gmail did not respect my retention parameter

[Ray_Net]

I read my gmail box by using SM from pop.gmail.com.
My option is: "Leave message on the server"
The gmail-box don't care about my SM setting - the messages are never 
accessibles by another pop-reader.

BUT are still presents when I access the gmail-box thru his website.
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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Re getting all my inboxes into one inbox:

Thanks. Paul.

I have version 2.39. Not sure what the user agent thing is that
Daniel shows below.


Each outgoing mail message, unless the sender goes through a webmail, 
has a field in its header that specifies the "user agent" (mail program 
used to compose it). If you select your message and do CTRL-U (Windows) 
or CMD-U (Mac), you should see a line like this about 20 lines from the top:


User-Agent: G2/1.0

If you select my message and do the same, you should see:

User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39


This is more helpful because I'm actually using SeaMonkey to post here, 
while you're not. Even if I don't explicitly state my version and 
platform in a query, troubleshooters can look it up this way.



I see someone names Edmund mentioned in several posts who seems to be
one of the developers? Are there any other MAC users?


Sure, let's keep reading and one of them is bound to speak up.

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[tokyoprogressive]

Re getting all my inboxes into one inbox:


Thanks. Paul.


I have version 2.39.  Not sure what the user agent thing is that Daniel shows 
below.  

I see someone names Edmund mentioned in several posts who seems to be one of 
the developers?  Are there any other MAC users?

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Daniel]

On 15/03/2016 3:20 AM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Interesting. My screenshot shows nothing like that (or I am missing it).




Hmm, yes, we do have some differences in our dialogs.

To repeat my previous question: What version of SM do you have? I'm
using the latest stable release, v. 2.39.


His User Agent is showing as "G2/1.0"

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User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:42.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/42.0 SeaMonkey/2.39 Build identifier: 20151028234211

or
User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 
SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Interesting. My screenshot shows nothing like that (or I am missing it).




Hmm, yes, we do have some differences in our dialogs.

To repeat my previous question: What version of SM do you have? I'm 
using the latest stable release, v. 2.39.


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[tokyoprogressive]

Interesting. My screenshot shows nothing like that (or I am missing it).

https://www.evernote.com/l/AQroH_zWjBZEe7DVRBtDWu32OxC1hJpYJro

I wonder what other Mac people are doing?
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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Christian Riechers]

On 03/13/2016 04:58 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Christian Riechers wrote:
>> On 03/12/2016 10:40 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>> Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:
>>>> Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
>>>> protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
>>>> login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
>>>> time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
>>>> closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
>>>> wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
>>>> for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.
>>>
>>> What protocol?
>>
>> OAuth2
> 
> For web browser authorization. Again, for a mail client? Not a push for
> their webmail portal?

Thunderbird has implemented OAuth2 authentication for Gmail IMAP and
SMTP since v38.
The benefit is that one doesn't need to jump through hoops anymore and
allow 'less secure' apps for Gmail.
I don't know about Seamonkey.

> <https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1039130>

That post is more than a year old.

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Jonathan N. Little]

Christian Riechers wrote:

On 03/12/2016 10:40 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:

Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:

Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.


What protocol?


OAuth2


For web browser authorization. Again, for a mail client? Not a push for 
their webmail portal?





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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Thank you, Paul G.

It looked like it was going to work, but then in each account, under

> Server Settings, under Message Storage, I get


Clean up check box
Empty Trash checkbox

Message Store type (per folder or per mailbox)
(only selectable on one account, the other two accounts have this
greyed out)

And
Local directory, which is preset, but I can also browse.

There is NO advanced tab except under Server Settings, which is a
different one.


Not a tab, a button. On my display, it's to the right of the line
[x] Empty Trash on Exit
and above and to the right of
Message Store Type: [File per folder (mbox)]

I would also note that this applies only to mail accounts; the dialog is 
somewhat different for newsgroup accounts. And of course Local Folders 
has no Server Settings section.


What version of SM do you have? I'm using the latest stable release, v. 
2.39.



I wonder if the OSX version is different.


Possibly.

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[tokyoprogressive]

Thank you, Paul G.

It looked like it was going to work, but then in each account, under Server 
Settings, under Message Storage, I get 

Clean up check box
Empty Trash checkbox


Message Store type (per folder or per mailbox)
(only selectable on one account, the other two accounts have this greyed out)

And
Local directory, which is preset, but I can also browse.

There is NO advanced tab except under Server Settings, which is a different one.

I wonder if the OSX version is different.


Your other two suggestions work fine. Thank you.  Also you interesting filter 
idea.

Thanks,
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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Christian Riechers]

On 03/12/2016 10:40 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:
>> Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
>> protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
>> login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
>> time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
>> closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
>> wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
>> for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.
> 
> What protocol?

OAuth2

> Currently using SSL/StartTLS,

In this context SSL/TLS has got nothing to do with the way you
authenticate to your Gmail account.

> do you mean TLS 1.0? IIRC

No.

> Mozilla tried disabling it by default, but it broke too many websites so
> folk could do things like online banking... Or is this some special
> protocol where Chrome takes a DNS sample? ;-)

It is scary how you arbitrarily throw in new terms completely out of
context.
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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


more on SeaMonkey

1) In MAC Mail I am able to have a single view of the combined emails
coming into my several accounts, but so far, in SeaMonkey I see all
mail organized under the domain.  That means I get a separate lin
with Emails (Read messages, Compose) , Accounts (View Settings,
Create new) and Advanced (search, manage.)

Is there any way to have all messages appear together without having
to click each account? I researched and found that you have a
global inbox, but this option ONLY seems available for account
creation.


This doesn't really answer your question as asked, but it's worth 
looking into since it's good stuff to know anyway:


I have an elaborate system of filters that moves incoming messages to 
appropriate folders, so for example I can see all my accountant's 
messages in one place. When a new message lands in a box, the box name 
is bolded with the number of new messages in parens. So if my 
accountant's box lights up, I can see at a glance that I have mail from 
him. In fact, most of my incoming mail is prefiled for me this way, so I 
hardly have to spend any time in the Inbox.


Where it gets interesting is that you can filter messages from one 
account into a folder in another account, so in principle you could 
write a filter that filed all messages arriving in one account to 
another account's inbox. Or not, your choice.


Now here's the direct answer to your question:

Go to Edit | Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings.

Expand each account, and click "Server Settings."

Near the bottom of that pane, you'll see a section, "Message Storage." 
Click the "Advanced" button there. You'll get a dialog saying,


When downloading mail for , use the following folder for 
new mail:

(•) Inbox for this server's account
(o) Inbox for different account [Choose folder...]

If you select the second option, one of the folders offered is "Global 
Inbox (Local Folders)." This will route all incoming mail for the 
account to the Inbox folder under the "Local Folders" account.


By following this procedure for all your mail accounts, you should be 
able to route all incoming mail to the global inbox.



2)  The order of my folders within each account just seems to have
changed.  Before it was INBOX, followed by drafts, send messages,
etc. Now these appear at the bottom in reverse order.  Must be
something I clicked, but where?  now it has gone back.  But not sure
why or how.


At the top of the folder list, you should see the column heading "Name." 
Click it to reverse the order. You probably did that by accident, but 
since it's a toggle, it's easily fixed.



3) Anyway to get the first pane (FOLDER pane) to show larger fonts?


Dunno, I would think that was an OS feature. My Windows expertise won't 
help you on a Mac.


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[tokyoprogressive]

more on SeaMonkey

1) In MAC Mail I am able to have a single view of the combined emails coming 
into my several accounts, but so far, in SeaMonkey I se all mail organized 
under the domain.  That means I get a separate lin with Emails (Read messages, 
Compose) , Accounts (View Settings, Create new)  and Advanced (search, 
manage.)

Is there any way to have all messages appear together wihout having to click 
each account?   I researched and found that you have a global inbox,
but this option ONLY seems available for account creation.

Online, someone said around 2010

 "mail in the same box, do this:
Edit | Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings | Server Settings (for each of 
your five accounts) | "Advanced" button, choose "Global Inbox (Local 
Folders Account)."


but as far as I can see this option is not in SeaMonkey now.

Mozilla help is confusing as it is mostly about Thunderbird.

Any easy ways?  The option to create a local inbox (global inbox) when creating 
the account was not clear, but I would like to do it after the fact if possible.


2)  The order of my folders within each account just seems to have changed.  
Before it was INBOX, followed by drafts, send messages, etc.
Now these appear at the bottom in reverese order.  Must be something I clicked, 
but where?  now it has gone back.  But not sure why or how.

3) Anyway to get the first pane (FOLDER pane)to show larger fonts?

Thank you!
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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[tokyoprogressive]

Thanks to all. I successfully used allowing non secure email clients. It was a 
chore to find it, but it worked well.


About my address being visible, I am surprised. I administer a mailman list but 
it makes the addresses incomplete looking like this:  tokyopro...@mailbox.org.

In fact, I see that in  the archives, though I am not sure why the list is 
forwarding to gmail for archives rather than using mailman.

Anyway, it is working.

Thanks.


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Jonathan N. Little]

Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez wrote:

El 10/03/16 a las 15:24, Jonathan N. Little escribió:

tokyoprogresss...@mailbox.org wrote:

I thought I sent this yesterday but it seems not to have gone
through. I tried to enter my gmail data but got a message gmail
telling me they blocked the attempt to retrieve
email from this application because it was not an up-to-date one. I
have the most recent Mac copy of SM, so I want to confirm if, in
fact, gmail does not play ball with Sea Monkey, if there may be
another reason for that message, or what.



When setup SeaMonkey or Thunderbird to gmail you have to go to the
webmail interface at gmail.com and in the settings change *enable
"less secure applications"*. I think it is not about email client
security but more that Google is pushing folks to use *their* Chrome
and webmail interface.


Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.



What protocol?  Currently using SSL/StartTLS, do you mean TLS 1.0? IIRC 
Mozilla tried disabling it by default, but it broke too many websites so 
folk could do things like online banking... Or is this some special 
protocol where Chrome takes a DNS sample? ;-)


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Ricardo Palomares Martí­nez]

El 10/03/16 a las 15:24, Jonathan N. Little escribió:
> tokyoprogresss...@mailbox.org wrote:
>> I thought I sent this yesterday but it seems not to have gone
>> through. I tried to enter my gmail data but got a message gmail
>> telling me they blocked the attempt to retrieve
>> email from this application because it was not an up-to-date one. I
>> have the most recent Mac copy of SM, so I want to confirm if, in
>> fact, gmail does not play ball with Sea Monkey, if there may be
>> another reason for that message, or what.
>>
> 
> When setup SeaMonkey or Thunderbird to gmail you have to go to the
> webmail interface at gmail.com and in the settings change *enable
> "less secure applications"*. I think it is not about email client
> security but more that Google is pushing folks to use *their* Chrome
> and webmail interface.

Similar, but not exactly that reason. Google is promoting its own
protocol for authentications, on the basis that the current scheme of
login + password is flawed. It may or may not be true (I read it some
time ago, and I don't really like it too much). The protocol is not
closed (Google is, AFAIK, not asking for money for sites or services
wanting to use it), so it is more like Google wants to be recognized
for being the author of a critical shift in how services authenticate.

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogress...@gmail.com wrote:


Thank you for these answers.  Did not realize we can post from Google
Groups to MAILMAN (how did you do that. My account names are
different too). I will have to try that...setting gmail to accept a
less secure client.

BTW, I just got spam addressed to be quoting my message, even though
my full address does bot show up here How did they figure that out?


Not sure which address you mean, but they're both clearly visible to me.

There's one in the domain , and one in the domain 
. I won't help the spambots by quoting them in full, but you 
might consider munging your address as I and many others do when posting 
to newsgroups. A human can take one look at my munged address and see 
how to convert it to the correct one, but a spambot just copies it 
mindlessly and gets a bounce.


Alternately, you could use a so-called "burner email" -- one that you'll 
discard as soon as the spambots catch on.


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[tokyoprogressive]

Thank you for these answers.  Did not realize we can post from Google Groups to 
MAILMAN (how did you do that. My account names are different too). I will have 
to try that...settimg gmail to accept a less secure client.

BTW, I just got spam addressed to be quoting my message, even though my full 
address does bot show up here How did they figure that out?

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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Paul B. Gallagher]

tokyoprogresss...@mailbox.org wrote:


Hi

I thought I sent this yesterday but it seems not to have gone
through. I tried to enter my gmail data but got a message gmail
telling me they blocked the attempt to retrieve email from this
application because it was not an up-to-date one. I have the most
recent Mac copy of SM, so I want to confirm if, in fact, gmail does
not play ball with Sea Monkey, if there may be another reason for
that message, or what.

If true, and since I want to get away from OSX Mail due to its own
bugs in getting duplicates of gmail messages, it seems I may be
forced to have gmail forward new mail to my mailbox.org account.

Your advice welcomed.


"Hard to say..." ;-)

Can't speak for the Mac side, but I've been using various PC versions of 
SM for years to retrieve Gmail without difficulty or complaint from 
Google. Gmail does have a setting (accessible through their webmail) to 
enable POP mail downloads, but if you haven't forgotten to do that, you 
should have no problem.


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Re: Gmail not permitted?

[Jonathan N. Little]

tokyoprogresss...@mailbox.org wrote:

Hi

I thought I sent this yesterday but it seems not to have gone through. I tried 
to enter my gmail data but got a message gmail telling me they blocked the 
attempt to retrieve
email from this application because it was not an up-to-date one. I have the 
most recent Mac copy of SM, so I want to confirm if, in fact, gmail does not 
play ball with Sea Monkey, if there may be another reason for that message, or 
what.

If true, and since I want to get away from OSX Mail due to its own bugs in 
getting duplicates of gmail messages, it seems I may be forced to have gmail 
forward new mail to my mailbox.org account.

Your advice welcomed.


When setup SeaMonkey or Thunderbird to gmail you have to go to the 
webmail interface at gmail.com and in the settings change *enable "less 
secure applications"*. I think it is not about email client security but 
more that Google is pushing folks to use *their* Chrome and webmail 
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Gmail not permitted?

[tokyoprogresss...@mailbox.org]

Hi

I thought I sent this yesterday but it seems not to have gone through. I tried 
to enter my gmail data but got a message gmail telling me they blocked the 
attempt to retrieve
email from this application because it was not an up-to-date one. I have the 
most recent Mac copy of SM, so I want to confirm if, in fact, gmail does not 
play ball with Sea Monkey, if there may be another reason for that message, or 
what.

If true, and since I want to get away from OSX Mail due to its own bugs in 
getting duplicates of gmail messages, it seems I may be forced to have gmail 
forward new mail to my mailbox.org account.

Your advice welcomed.

paul in japan

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Re: Gmail

[WaltS48]

On 11/28/2015 03:24 PM, S Slicer wrote:

S Slicer wrote:

Mike lewis wrote:

SeaMonkey no longer updates my gmail account, but all other email
accounts,
and newsgroup accounts work fine.


Are you using POP 3 or IMAP?


Waiting for reply.


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Re: Gmail

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S Slicer wrote:

Mike lewis wrote:

SeaMonkey no longer updates my gmail account, but all other email
accounts,
and newsgroup accounts work fine.


Are you using POP 3 or IMAP?


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Re: Gmail

[Ed Mullen]

Mike lewis wrote on 11/27/2015 11:32 PM:

Mike lewis wrote:

SeaMonkey no longer updates my gmail account, but all other email

accounts,

and newsgroup accounts work fine.


Are you using POP 3 or IMAP?



IMAP



Check your settings.

https://support.google.com/mail/troubleshooter/1668960?hl=en#ts=1665018

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Gmail

[Mike lewis]

> Mike lewis wrote:
> > SeaMonkey no longer updates my gmail account, but all other email
> accounts,
> > and newsgroup accounts work fine.
> >
> Are you using POP 3 or IMAP?
>

IMAP
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Re: Gmail

[S Slicer]

Mike lewis wrote:

SeaMonkey no longer updates my gmail account, but all other email accounts,
and newsgroup accounts work fine.


Are you using POP 3 or IMAP?

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Gmail

[Mike lewis]

SeaMonkey no longer updates my gmail account, but all other email accounts,
and newsgroup accounts work fine.
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Re: Moving GMail WebMail 'Sent' Messages to SeaMonkey

[Ed Mullen]

HenriK wrote on 2/11/2015 6:34 PM:

Is there anyone who has had any experience moving GMail 'Sent' messages
from GMail's WebMail 'Sent' folder to Seamonkey's e-mail client?

I understood that POP only allows downloads from one's WebMail 'Inbox'.
  Accordingly, I used the GMail WebMail feature to mark some of the
messages I want to transfer for movement to my local PCs Seamonkey
'Inbox' to my GMail's WebMail 'Inbox'.

After I did this, I asked SeaMonkey to download my GMail 'inbox' from
its usual location on GMail's WebMail.  Nothing happened and the moved
e-mail simply remained in my GMail WebMail 'Inbox'.  Accordingly, I must
have dome something stupid.

Can anyone help me sort how to download the e-mails I am trying to
transfer?  Thanks, in advance for any and all comments, help, or
suggestions.


I see you got it fixed elsewhere in the thread.  Just thought I'd 
mention that I use gmail in SeaMonkey via IMAP and have all folders set 
to synchronize.  That way I see the same thing on all computers I use 
for mail. Same with all my other email accounts.


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Re: Moving GMail WebMail 'Sent' Messages to SeaMonkey

[Bill Spikowski]

HenriK wrote:

Is there anyone who has had any experience moving GMail 'Sent' messages from 
GMail's WebMail 'Sent' folder to Seamonkey's e-mail client?


Not exactly what you're asking; but I've created a Gmail account right in the 
SM mail client. I drag messages from the Gmail sent folder right into my 
regular SM folders.

One day I wondered if it would work, and it did. I didn't do anything special 
and it hasn't caused any other problems. (I've never gotten my arms around the 
Gmail web interface.)


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Re: Moving GMail WebMail 'Sent' Messages to SeaMonkey

[Paul B. Gallagher]

NoOp wrote:

On 02/11/2015 05:45 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

HenriK wrote:


Is there anyone who has had any experience moving GMail 'Sent' messages
from GMail's WebMail 'Sent' folder to Seamonkey's e-mail client?

I understood that POP only allows downloads from one's WebMail 'Inbox'.
Accordingly, I used the GMail WebMail feature to mark some of the
messages I want to transfer for movement to my local PCs Seamonkey
'Inbox' to my GMail's WebMail 'Inbox'.

After I did this, I asked SeaMonkey to download my GMail 'inbox' from
its usual location on GMail's WebMail.  Nothing happened and the moved
e-mail simply remained in my GMail WebMail 'Inbox'.  Accordingly, I must
have dome something stupid.

Can anyone help me sort how to download the e-mails I am trying to
transfer?  Thanks, in advance for any and all comments, help, or
suggestions.


Gmail won't allow you to download mail to a POP client unless you go
into its settings and allow that feature (it's disabled by default).

<https://support.google.com/mail/troubleshooter/1668960?hl=en#ts=1665119>

Here's how to enable POP in Gmail:

1. Sign in to Gmail.
2. Click the gear in the top right.
3. Select "Settings."
4. Click "Forwarding and POP/IMAP."
5. Select "Enable POP for all mail" or "Enable POP for mail that arrives
from now on."
6. Choose what to do with your messages after your POP client or device
receives them.
7. Click "Save Changes."

[end quote]




AFAIK once you have the messages in your local mail client you can't
send them back to any webmail, including Gmail.



Can you please explain that last "you can't send them back..." bit?
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you mean as I use gmail using POP3,
Web, and IMAP and I've no problems in saving, viewing, sending using any
of them (well, except for the Web interface which I only open to use
gtalk). In my POP3 settings I have 'Leave Messages on Server' check, so
my POP3 does not delete any messages unless I purposly delete them.


OK, I was assuming that you were not leaving messages on the server. So 
what you're doing is creating a local copy of what's on the server. No 
problem there.


With my assumption, though, only one copy survives, the local one. And I 
know of no way to do the reverse -- to make an exact copy of your local 
messages to your webmail the way you can copy a file from one disk to 
another. You can certainly forward messages to "yourself" (your 
webmail), but that's not the same as making an exact copy, because the 
forwarded message will have a different date/time stamp, plus all the 
other forwarded headers on top of the original ones. If that serves your 
purpose, though, it's fine.


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Re: Moving GMail WebMail 'Sent' Messages to SeaMonkey

[NoOp]

On 02/11/2015 05:45 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
> HenriK wrote:
> 
>> Is there anyone who has had any experience moving GMail 'Sent' messages
>> from GMail's WebMail 'Sent' folder to Seamonkey's e-mail client?
>>
>> I understood that POP only allows downloads from one's WebMail 'Inbox'.
>> Accordingly, I used the GMail WebMail feature to mark some of the
>> messages I want to transfer for movement to my local PCs Seamonkey
>> 'Inbox' to my GMail's WebMail 'Inbox'.
>>
>> After I did this, I asked SeaMonkey to download my GMail 'inbox' from
>> its usual location on GMail's WebMail.  Nothing happened and the moved
>> e-mail simply remained in my GMail WebMail 'Inbox'.  Accordingly, I must
>> have dome something stupid.
>>
>> Can anyone help me sort how to download the e-mails I am trying to
>> transfer?  Thanks, in advance for any and all comments, help, or
>> suggestions.
> 
> Gmail won't allow you to download mail to a POP client unless you go 
> into its settings and allow that feature (it's disabled by default).
> 
> <https://support.google.com/mail/troubleshooter/1668960?hl=en#ts=1665119>
> 
> Here's how to enable POP in Gmail:
> 
> 1. Sign in to Gmail.
> 2. Click the gear in the top right.
> 3. Select "Settings."
> 4. Click "Forwarding and POP/IMAP."
> 5. Select "Enable POP for all mail" or "Enable POP for mail that arrives 
> from now on."
> 6. Choose what to do with your messages after your POP client or device 
> receives them.
> 7. Click "Save Changes."
> 
> [end quote]

> 
> AFAIK once you have the messages in your local mail client you can't 
> send them back to any webmail, including Gmail.
> 

Can you please explain that last "you can't sent them back..." bit?
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you mean as I use gmail using POP3,
Web, and IMAP and I've no problems in saving, viewing, sending using any
of them (well, except for the Web interface which I only open to use
gtalk). In my POP3 settings I have 'Leave Messages on Server' check, so
my POP3 does not delete any messages unless I purposly delete them.

To download all messages received messages, I've found this to be helpful:

<https://support.google.com/mail/answer/47948>

I also BCC myself on any messages that I send (POP3/IMAP/WEB) & that way
I have a copy of the 'Sent' messages regardless of what method I use.


Gary



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Re: Moving GMail WebMail 'Sent' Messages to SeaMonkey

[HenriK]

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

P.S. It's been a while since I did this, so I forget -- you may have to
mark messages as unread before SM will download them.


You were right on both counts.  I got the messages moved.  Many thanks.
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Re: Moving GMail WebMail 'Sent' Messages to SeaMonkey

[Paul B. Gallagher]

P.S. It's been a while since I did this, so I forget -- you may have to 
mark messages as unread before SM will download them.


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Re: Moving GMail WebMail 'Sent' Messages to SeaMonkey

[Paul B. Gallagher]

HenriK wrote:


Is there anyone who has had any experience moving GMail 'Sent' messages
from GMail's WebMail 'Sent' folder to Seamonkey's e-mail client?

I understood that POP only allows downloads from one's WebMail 'Inbox'.
Accordingly, I used the GMail WebMail feature to mark some of the
messages I want to transfer for movement to my local PCs Seamonkey
'Inbox' to my GMail's WebMail 'Inbox'.

After I did this, I asked SeaMonkey to download my GMail 'inbox' from
its usual location on GMail's WebMail.  Nothing happened and the moved
e-mail simply remained in my GMail WebMail 'Inbox'.  Accordingly, I must
have dome something stupid.

Can anyone help me sort how to download the e-mails I am trying to
transfer?  Thanks, in advance for any and all comments, help, or
suggestions.


Gmail won't allow you to download mail to a POP client unless you go 
into its settings and allow that feature (it's disabled by default).


<https://support.google.com/mail/troubleshooter/1668960?hl=en#ts=1665119>

Here's how to enable POP in Gmail:

1. Sign in to Gmail.
2. Click the gear in the top right.
3. Select "Settings."
4. Click "Forwarding and POP/IMAP."
5. Select "Enable POP for all mail" or "Enable POP for mail that arrives 
from now on."
6. Choose what to do with your messages after your POP client or device 
receives them.

7. Click "Save Changes."

[end quote]

AFAIK once you have the messages in your local mail client you can't 
send them back to any webmail, including Gmail.


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Moving GMail WebMail 'Sent' Messages to SeaMonkey

[HenriK]

Is there anyone who has had any experience moving GMail 'Sent' messages 
from GMail's WebMail 'Sent' folder to Seamonkey's e-mail client?


I understood that POP only allows downloads from one's WebMail 'Inbox'. 
 Accordingly, I used the GMail WebMail feature to mark some of the 
messages I want to transfer for movement to my local PCs Seamonkey 
'Inbox' to my GMail's WebMail 'Inbox'.


After I did this, I asked SeaMonkey to download my GMail 'inbox' from 
its usual location on GMail's WebMail.  Nothing happened and the moved 
e-mail simply remained in my GMail WebMail 'Inbox'.  Accordingly, I must 
have dome something stupid.


Can anyone help me sort how to download the e-mails I am trying to 
transfer?  Thanks, in advance for any and all comments, help, or 
suggestions.

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Re: Password window for smtp server gmail (SeaMonkey 2.30 Linux)

[Béèm]

Béèm wrote:

I did setup SeaMonkey mail to retrieve mail from gmail accounts.
I defined the smt outgoing server, but didn't find how to setup the
password for this server. I have been asked to fill in the userid tho.

I got once the window to fill in the password.

Now I don't get that window in front when I push sent to sent an e-mail.
I can't even close normally the sent window and the SeaMonkey mail
window. I have to kill those windows and then I see that window where I
have to fill in the password.

In order to avoid this, I would prefer I could fill in the password in
the smpt outgoing server configuration, but I don't see how to do this.

Can this be done and if yes, how?

Today I tried again.
To my surprise, without having changed something, I got the window to 
enter the password on top of the other windows now.
So I could enter the password and to my surprise I even got the question 
if I would like to remember the password. For sure I did it.

But still a puzzling situation.
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Password window for smtp server gmail (SeaMonkey 2.30 Linux)

[Béèm]

I did setup SeaMonkey mail to retrieve mail from gmail accounts.
I defined the smt outgoing server, but didn't find how to setup the 
password for this server. I have been asked to fill in the userid tho.


I got once the window to fill in the password.

Now I don't get that window in front when I push sent to sent an e-mail.
I can't even close normally the sent window and the SeaMonkey mail 
window. I have to kill those windows and then I see that window where I 
have to fill in the password.


In order to avoid this, I would prefer I could fill in the password in 
the smpt outgoing server configuration, but I don't see how to do this.


Can this be done and if yes, how?
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Gmail and Mail Redirect

[David E. Ross]

Very recently, Google modified Gmail such that you might no longer be
able redirect E-mail messages from your Gmail account to other E-mail
addresses.  It definitely will not work if you received the message from
a non-Gmail address.

For example, I have the Mail Redirect extension installed for
Thunderbird; this extension should also work with SeaMonkey's mail
capability.  Some E-mail messages that I receive I want to share with my
wife.  Instead of forwarding those message, I redirect them to her
E-mail address.  If I were using Gmail (which I do not), that would no
longer work.

Followup-To: set to mozilla.general.

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<http://www.rossde.com/>

On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages
posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent
because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source.
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