Re: [Biofuel] briquette machine
Hi Kirk, briquettes and pellets from wood chips are ment to be from shavings and offcuts of regular production facilitys. I have since 2000 a briquttpress in my woodshop here in Quebec. At first the ministry of environment didnt allow me to heat my shop with briquettes! Oil was ok Pellets are a good source of heating,but for a woodshop not ideal because very sensytive about different shavings,you need allways the same shavings as per wood and sice of the shavings. Thats ok for big manufactures of woodenfloors,wich would have allways the same kind of shavings! All in all,a very good way of recycling wast. Not so for direct production of pellets and briquettes. The breaking down and drying of green wood takes to much energy and is therefor not the best solution! So the slogan: make your own biomass products is only good for woodshops of a certain size! Fritz www.boiseriestraditionnelles.ca -Original Message- From: Kirk McLoren Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 9:04 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] briquette machine http://www.biogreentech.com/ make your own biomass products Nemo dat quod non habet From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 12:51 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Throwing Out the Free Market Playbook: An Interview with Naomi Klein http://www.thesolutionsjournal.com/node/1053 Volume 3 | Issue 1 | Feb 2012 Throwing Out the Free Market Playbook: An Interview with Naomi Klein Perhaps one of the most well-known voices for the Left, Canadian Naomi Klein is an activist and author of several nonfiction works critical of consumerism and corporate activity, including the best sellers No Logo (2000) and Shock Doctrine (2007). In your cover story for the Nation last year, you say that modern environmentalism successfully advances many of the causes dear to the political Left, including redistribution of wealth, higher and more progressive taxes, and greater government intervention and regulation. Please explain. The piece came out of my interest and my shock at the fact that belief in climate change in the United States has plummeted. If you really drill into the polling data, what you see is that the drop in belief in climate change is really concentrated on the right of the political spectrum. It's been an extraordinary and unusual shift in belief in a short time. In 2007, 71 percent of Americans believed in climate change and in 2009 only 51 percent believed-and now we're at 41 percent. So I started researching the denial movement and going to conferences and reading the books, and what's clear is that, on the right, climate change is seen as a threat to the Right's worldview, and to the neoliberal economic worldview. It's seen as a Marxist plot. They accuse climate scientists of being watermelons-green on the outside and red on the inside. It seems exaggerated, but your piece was about how the Right is in fact correct. I don't think climate change necessitates a social revolution. This idea is coming from the right-wing think tanks and not scientific organizations. They're ideological organizations. Their core reason for being is to defend what they call free-market ideology. They feel that any government intervention leads us to serfdom and brings about a socialist world, so that's what they have to fight off: a socialist world. Increase the power of the private sector and decrease the public sphere is their ideology. You can set up carbon markets, consumer markets, and just pretend, but if you want to get serious about climate change, really serious, in line with the science, and you want to meet targets like 80 percent emissions cuts by midcentury in the developed world, then you need to be intervening strongly in the economy, and you can't do it all with carbon markets and offsetting. You have to really seriously regulate corporations and invest in the public sector. And we need to build public transport systems and light rail and affordable housing along transit lines to lower emissions. The market is not going to step up to this challenge. We must do more: rebuild levees and bridges and the public sphere, because we saw in Katrina what happens when weak infrastructure clashes with heavy weather-it's catastrophe. These climate deniers aren't crazy-their worldview is under threat. If you take climate change seriously, you do have to throw out the free-market playbook. What is the political philosophy that underscores those who accept climate change versus those who deny it? The Yale cultural cognition project has looked at cultural worldview and climate change, and what's clear is that ideology is the main factor in whether we believe in climate change. If you have an egalitarian and communitarian worldview, and you tend toward a belief system of pooling resources and helping the less advantaged, then you believe in climate change
Re: [Biofuel] Learn To Make Terror Your Friend
Hi Keith, here post I received from Greta Berlin (Irish-Gaza Friends) It seems to me this would fit well the topic Fritz HR bill 3131 is in committee according to this website http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h112-3131 under the full text number 21. Our captain on the Free Gaza boat, the first boat into Gaza in 41 years, John Klusmire, is specifically named as violating Greek orders. But it's much more than that, as you can see below: To direct the Secretary of State to submit a report on whether any support organization that participated in the planning or execution of the recent Gaza flotilla attempt should be designated as a foreign terrorist organization and any actions taken by the Department of State to express gratitude to the government of Greece for preventing the Gaza flotilla from setting sail in contravention of Israel’s legal blockade of Gaza, and for other purposes. (21) Greek authorities boarded ships and took into custody several individuals, including Captain John Klusmire of the ship Audacity of Hope as it violated Greek Coast Guard orders by setting sail without permission. We are gathering names of those of us who will INSIST on putting our own names on this bill if our representatives do not remove John's. If you are an American citizen and you want your name added to this evil bill, please email me directly, and I will send the names on to the American contingent. The only way we can defeat something like this is if we are all willing to stand up for John and stand up for justice. Greta -Original Message- From: Keith Addison Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:10 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Learn To Make Terror Your Friend Hi Dawie Interesting, if a bit vulgar-libertarian towards the end. Yes, it's at the Lew Rockwell site, but I thought it was useful anyway. So it seems did Tom Feeley at ICH. But conspicuously absent is mention of the West's long-standing use of the military in general and wars in particular as sinks for inevitable surplus output. And though much may indeed be said about current electronics-based innovations it is very easy to lose sight of the fact that the manufacture of basic electronic hardware is more dependent on maintaining volume and, hence, dumping surplus than perhaps any manufacturing practice in history. I think it's also a sink for dumping surplus labour. If unemployment was calculated the way BLS did it in 1994 and earlier, it would be 22.4%. -- Unemployment Drop Masks Ongoing Decline 9 JANUARY 2012 http://usawatchdog.com/unemployment-drop-masks-ongoing-decline/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Feed:+UsaWatchdog+(Greg+Hunter%E2%80%99s+USAWatchdog) The US poverty rate is higher than that. I wonder where the troops returning from Iraq are going to find jobs, and how they'll view Obama's glowing tribute when they don't. (I've yet to undertake an analysis of computing outside chip mills and the Future Machine. It is a daunting task for which I fear I lack the necessary technical detail.The theorists in the field tend to be technophiles who proceed from an unreasoned assumption of the simple thereness of the requisite hardware, without the need to manufacture it or to buy it: I would be wary of their assistance.) However, though war is a long-established way of creating economic demand out of thin air it is quite probable that the world is running out of the ability to respond to that demand as we speak. Something has to give. Indeed. Meanwhile, here's a fight to be savoured: Full-Blown Civil War Erupts On Wall Street - Financial Elite Start Turning On Each Other By David DeGraw - ampedstatus.org Wednesday, January 11, 2012 http://wakeup-world.com/2011/09/06/full-blown-civil-war-erupts-on-wall-street-financial-elite-start-turning-on-each-other/#comments All best Keith Regards Dawie Coetzee From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2012, 13:34 Subject: [Biofuel] Learn To Make Terror Your Friend http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30185.htm Learn To Make Terror Your Friend By Doug Casey January 08, 2012 Lew Rockwell -- As you know, I think we're moving into an era of intense international conflict. And during the next ten years, you can plan your life around the US being in the middle of anything and everything that even vaguely resembles a war. It promises to be unpleasant, inconvenient and dangerous. This article - which is long, but not nearly long enough to cover the subject in as much detail as it deserves - explains why military conflicts are in store, what they're going to be like and what might be the morality of the matter. This last has some importance, because we're talking in good part about terror. And, to paraphrase Nietzsche, you may not be interested in terror, but terror is interested in you. A Matter Of Definition
Re: [Biofuel] Bill Gates's Nuclear Miracle?
Sometimes one have to think,the whole world is going mad with those nuke-issues! My self I am pretty convinced that a methane-digester would be much cheaper to produce and instead letting methane escape in to the atmosphere collecting it and produce electricity would be at least a part solution for the energie problem on hand! It works in Nepal on small scale why should this not work in big citys on a larger scale Stopping citys like Vancouver to dump theire wast in to the ocean should be a priority for everyone rghh! Fritz -Original Message- From: Keith Addison Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:31 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bill Gates's Nuclear Miracle? :-) Well put. A Windoze nuke, aarghh!! These are by far and away the safest reactors ever designed. As long as they remain unbuilt, they will remain so. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:12:08 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Bill Gates's Nuclear Miracle? Also: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/09/miniature-nuclear-reactors-los-alamos Mini nuclear plants to power 20,000 homes £13m shed-size reactors will be delivered by lorry John Vidal and Nick Rosen The Observer, Sunday 9 November 2008 http://allafrica.com/stories/201009170031.html South African Govt Halts Pebble Bed Modular Reactor Project 16 September 2010 http://sites.google.com/site/rethinkingnuclearpower/aimhigh Aim High! Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor Hmph. --0-- http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2010/03/23/bill-gates%E2%80%99s-nuclear-miracle-john-gilleland-says-terrapower-needs-discipline-not-divine-intervention/ Bill Gates's Nuclear Miracle? John Gilleland Says TerraPower Needs Discipline, Not Divine Intervention Gregory T. Huang 3/23/10 John Gilleland's first day on the job was a little different from most people's. The nuclear physicist showed up at Intellectual Ventures in Bellevue, WA, and sat down at the conference table with his new boss, CEO Nathan Myhrvold, and another, shall we say prominent, techie. The guy on my left looked familiar, Gilleland says. It was Bill Gates. Gilleland had been on the job for all of three minutes when Myhrvold said jokingly, John, you're late on your deliverables. That was back in December 2006. Gilleland is now CEO of TerraPower, the spinoff from Intellectual Ventures that is focused on creating a fundamentally new kind of nuclear reactor. It's the invention firm's biggest research project to date, spinning out as a separate entity in the fall of 2008 with 30-some staff and untold amounts of funding from Gates and other investors. It is a project that Intellectual Ventures likes to cite as a potentially transformative, homegrown invention. The basic idea is to create a reactor that needs only a small amount of enriched uranium to get started, and then uses depleted uranium (spent fuel) or natural, unenriched uranium to produce the nuclear-fission reactions necessary to generate power for 60 years or more without refueling. The design is called a traveling wave reactor, and the idea dates back to the early 1990s. If it works, the key benefits would be cheaper power, much more plentiful fuel, more efficient nuclear waste disposal, and less risk of nuclear proliferation. Gates has been gushing about the project as of late. He mentioned TerraPower prominently in his talk at the TED conference in California last month, calling out the proposed reactor design as a possible miracle innovation in the effort to provide clean energy to more of the world's population without increasing carbon emissions in the atmosphere. (Nuclear power provides about 20 percent of the electricity in the U.S.) Gilleland (see photo, left) has been given the keys to Gates and Myhrvold's nuclear kingdom for good reason. Previously, he co-founded and led Archimedes Technology Group, which developed improved techniques for cleaning up nuclear weapons waste, among other things. Before that, he was chief scientist and vice president of energy programs at Bechtel, and U.S. managing director of the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) program for fusion energy, and he spent 16 years at General Atomics doing fusion research. The traveling wave reactor is certainly an intriguing idea, and one that could be a true breakthrough. But the question, skeptics say, is whether it can be made to really work-and how long that will take. The idea is that the reactor makes its own fuel and uses it as it goes along: the neutrons emitted by a small amount of enriched uranium convert depleted uranium into plutonium, which splits to produce energy and also emits more neutrons that continue to breed new fuel. There is no precedent for TerraPower's particular design, and the project faces some major challenges-technical, business, and regulatory. So far the physics has only been tested in computer simulations, albeit
[Biofuel] a sample of good bavarian musik for Gustl
Sorry List, I hade to take the List as medium for a message to Gustl,I lost his adress! But than this would be a good occasion to get to know the real bavarian folksongs! Hello Gustl, here a little sample of good bavarian musik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa-WkuB__HM Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110703/68273cfa/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Murakami puts a bomb under his compatriots' atomiccomplacency
I have a little problem in praising Angela Merkl as the weise women in this piece! In fact Angela Merkl (she is a nuclear physicist) was before the Fukushima accident a strong supporter of nuclear industry! The german government came hard down on anti-nuclear protestors and it needet a nuclear desaster to wake up to the dangers of it! Even Merkl came to her senses, the path was prepared by the strong anti-nuclear drive in Germany Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110703/7b86a029/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Trees no cure for global warming
Thanks Thomas for pointig this out! It is rather nonesence to say that trees have a warming effect! What about the natural low-pressure over forest-areas? Any Glider-pilot can tell about the thermic effect over grassland and so. Beside,walk thru a forest and feel the fresh and cool air! It seems to me the autor of this study got a steak in forestindustry My non qualified fife cents Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110623/9c2e0baf/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: New Engine 100 MPG
Hello Chip, when I startet out with my first car,a Lloyd Alexander Ts , 19hp the consumption was not that a big of a deal (1966) but just the same one did not drive just to burn fuel. I dont recall how much that yellow streetsinger burnt at the time,but there have been cars around then with less than 3liters consumption per 100km witch comes closed to the 100Mper Gallon thing. some Vehicles like the Messerschmitt cabinscooter or the little Gogomobil,and than the Renaults or the500Fiat. Big enough to get your But around,but not to impress lotsa girls! And there we go: A man and his symbols The Americans startet with the oversize Bathtops,lately I saw a 500 Fiat in Montreal ,shorter that little thing as a Chevy wide! My Brothers BMW Isetta, The one who opened the door to the front parked cross as well as long! You came a long a parking spot pulled the Handbrake and the thing jumped in the spot (Cross) and it never failed to do so The are all gone and I really dont know why Fiat shoud get the Price they ask for the new 500! Its all a rip off! Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110603/35fd92f2/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 100 MPG Cars
Hey Chip, you are much wors than me only 16 count in 45years discount 3 years I went on horseback only... Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110603/7dae3e37/attachment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 1088 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/attachments/20110603/7dae3e37/attachment.png ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] fukushimachernobyl
Hello KeithAll in my books those papermasks are as efficient as a Umbrella in a halestorm with eggsize ice-pellets! Its at the most a placebo of no value! Skinnexposure is also a big factor in the contamination process. In the army we had metalfoil-blanketts to cover all bodyparts,special soaps to wash and... and... The wors is,that all our Governments are lying the hell on any subject witch could find critisism ! So the canadian government conveniantly left out the Alberta Oilsandspollution from the report filed with the UN. And when bad things happen nobody is accountable for it! Hrrghhh Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110530/a4123b10/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The Emperors New Hydrogen Economy
Hello Darrel, first my congratulations to the runner up award! Is there a online version of your book available or how can we purchase a copy? Thank you Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110517/48ded9a8/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Carbon storage in Saskatchewan
Hello Chip,Darrel, was` nt the japanese nuclear industrie considered the safest in the world?! So and what are the guaranties now for the rest of humankind about the fall outs? The safest carbonstorage to me is growing back our forests, it could be enhanced with composting to accelerate new growt! I wonder how many jobs could be created this way and how much we could achieve by that way? Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110427/39e405cf/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Why Fukushima made me stop worrying and love nuclear power (George Monbiot)
On 11-04-01 12:29 AM, Chris Burck wrote: been hoping this thread wouldn't die out before finding a moment to adress the topic. fortunately, much of what i wanted to say has already been said so i don't have to try and carve out as much time! clearly, life as we in the developed world (and increasing numbers of people in the developing world) live it, is unsustainable. as has been rightly pointed out, we *will* change how we live. the only question is whether we participate in and shape that change. this discussion hinges on two words (which i really thought would've come up sooner than they did): paradigm shift. it's not about sacrificing this or that, but opening our eyes to what's real and shifting our priorities. deciding what we really need. the world right now is a freaking gigantic mess. changing it. . .OMG just think about that for a second (change *that*!?!). makes you feel pretty tiny and helpless, right? I mean where the devil do you start? as bakunin would say, start with yourself. that helpless feeling i mentioned a second ago? well, pretty much everyone around you feels the same way. what's the best antidote? do stuff. i'm pretty tired and since i can't keep my train of thought i'm starting to sermonize which is one of the worst forms of human interaction. i think it was chip who said that one of the best forms of communication is to *do*. couldn't agree more. anyway, hoping everyone is well, -chris -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110401/93d2896d/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ But than Chris, Einstein allready sayd it: You cant change the courrent state of mess we are in with the same thinking that brougth as in at first! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel in Canada
Hello Seth, i would call for ice in the line! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How is Keith Doing?
On 11-03-14 02:23 PM, Dave Hajoglou wrote: Keith, I see that you're about 750km by road to Fukushima and closer by the crow. I send my wishes that you and others get through everything as safely as possible. -dave hojo ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Hi Dave, if i am hopefully not mistaken is Keith now in South Africa! If this is rigth i wonder how he did get to know about the upcoming disaster!But than Keith to me is a wise man and they know things All the best Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Gun cracy
While and before my miltary service in germany we had discussion of the merrit of any army The word was,you need the army to defend against the bad people. And then after years you find out,that the bad people is your own Thats all whats left on the gunlovers argument. Part of the hidden need for guns is shure to be found in man and his symbols Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] greenhouse farming
Hello Doug, i think you are on the rigth track with your model greenhouse. there is two things i miss on your description: 1.is shading on hot days 2.ventilation on hot summerdays it is crucial to limit heatbuild up in the greenhous. Verry efficiant are stroh mats wich you roll over the glasspanels to limit sun entrance in to your glasshouse. outside shades are better than inside ones so the heatbuilding is reduced before it hits the glass. Cross-ventilation will help to keep the temp at a reasonable level. The heatbuild up in greenhouses is probably the biggest inconveniant when you consider to work or live in a greenhouse environment and need as much to beeing studied as the heating aspect! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Georges Galloway
Hi Darryl,Joe, the political scene in Canada is pretty wrotten at this time,undermined by zionist rigthwing politicians! The Jewish defence ligue with Weinstein had been the origin of Galloways banning from Canada. The JDL is still today considered as a terrorist group in the US,but a canadian Minister acts on ther request to declare Galloway a terrorist.. funny eh?! When Libby Davis criticised Israel about the Free Gaza Flottilla incident,Mulcair called for her dismissel as Partyvice, Layton called the israel Ambassador with excuses and assured the Ambassador,that Libbys opinion was not the Partys! Guess what it was and is the Partys opinion (at least the grassroots-op) The Partys,all of them are so disconnect from the reality as they can be. The Block from Quebec has no stand on this issues and feeds on the uncertainity of the rest of them all. In Quebec the liberals are in hot water over illegal campain-contributions and one single MP (Amir Khadir) from Quebec-Solidaire is figthing a lonely battle to expose the crucked deals of Charest. Meind you,the Charest,the Block,Bouchard had all been Conservatist before under Mulroney,Rae was NDP,everyone hangs his flag in the wind! Layton still is under a sort of protective umbrella because of his cancertreatment,but wait when he is again well,he gona get the heat for the Mulcairaffair! For short,we are turning in circles arkkk! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Georges Galloway
Hello Keith, Georges Galloway apeart yesterday on Steve Paikins Show and he did not seem to have lost any fervor on the canadian adventure!Paikin tried hard to put Georges in to a corner but Galloway is not shy of a good answer Today he visitet the Calgary Office of Jason Kenney, Kenney was not there (see video at www.rabble.ca),so he will go on to Ottawa. Anyway soon it will be criminal to critisize Israel in Canada( if it goes the way of Irwin Cottler and Friends) I am as Canadian kind ashame for our Governments stand on Tarsands and Mideastpolitics! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Georges Galloway
On 10-11-24 08:55 PM, Joe Street wrote: Fritz wrote: SNIP I am as Canadian kind ashame for our Governments stand on Tarsands and Mideastpolitics! Fritz That makes two of us Fritz. As far as I can see we are just USA north. Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Hey Joe, thanks God there are some more than us two! But when you hear Ignatievs stand on intrusive screening on airports one feels like throwing up! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A metalworking question
Hi Keith, one more nickl of mine: a VW classic hubcup musst have the rough shape already fur the dome, Fill the cup with cement,make a box with wood press an other hubcup in the cement filled box and get positiv and negative form out of this. let the ciment dry good out. A framepress with a hydaulic jack should do the pressing.to support the coment take some steelplates and protect your ciment with them.The sheetmetal,160mm dia you put between the two forms and press them. Hammer the rest till you get to the rigth domeshape.A piece of tiretube could soften the pad for the thin. Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A metalworking question
On 10-11-02 02:30 PM, Keith Addison wrote: Hello all If you don't mind my asking, I could use a little help with some info at the Journey to Forever website. It's about Chinese watering cans, at this page: Appropriate technology Chinese watering cans http://journeytoforever.org/at_can.html High-power rose -- tricky to make, it says. We haven't figured out how to make new roses yet, but we're working on it. We're trying twin male/female moulds using our friend Graeme Morris's recipe for a rock-hard putty made of glass-fibre resin and lime -- that way we should be able to get the holes right. See Watering can plans for details. http://journeytoforever.org/at_canplan.html It didn't work. I've made eight of these cans over the years, and when I leave I abandon the cans themselves and take the roses with me. The cans seem to be ubiquitous, they're what veg oil, methanol and so on come in. This pair is the current version: http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/wcans.jpg The cans in action: http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/k-wc.jpg They're very efficient - using both cans at once, two passes gives you 1 a litre per sq yd/sq metre coverage. I seldom use them for actual watering or irrigation though, no need. That time it was diluted compost tea, being applied to a pasture I'd just disked in before the next crop in the succession - grains, field beans, roots or whatever (or sugar-cane, maize, soy, rapeseed/canola if you like), followed by a dressing of compost and then back to pasture. (See Ley farming http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#ley.) Also seaweed emulsion, or diluted urine sometimes, though the urine usually goes in the compost. Always to feed the topsoil, not to fertilise the plants. These cans haven't been made since the 1970s, or not in Hong Kong anyway, nor in China, as far as I know. They used to be made in local metalworking shops with fairly basic, simple equipment. But how did they make the roses? Any ideas? Better pictures: http://journeytoforever.org/bflpics/wcrose.jpg FYI, this is a useful small book on fertilising with urine: Liquid Gold: The Lore and Logic of Using Urine to Grow Plants, by Carol Steinfeld http://snipurl.com/sw44a Also: Guidelines on the Use of Urine and Faeces in Crop Production, EcoSanRes Programme, Stockholm Environment Institute, 2004, 43-page pdf, 2.4 Mb http://www.ecosanres.org/pdf_files/ESR_Publications_2004/ESR2web.pdf Urine Diversion: One Step Towards Sustainable Sanitation, EcoSanRes Programme, Stockholm Environment Institute, 2006, 76-page pdf, 2.9 Mb http://www.ecosanres.org/pdf_files/Urine_Diversion_2006-1.pdf TVM - all best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Hello Keith, i found in my library an old book for thinsmiths and in it is a plan for the pattern of the cuts. Its not chinese but old bavarian and with some imagination you may be able to make a chinese out of it. give me some time tonigth and i will scan the thing and post it to you.The book is from 1922... can i post this on the list or some other adress? Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel powered radiant heat (was Nigera)
://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Hi Seth, if you doing the heating of the floor only occasionall you want feel the heat at all. This radiant heating works well if it is a ongoing thing.The circuit in floorheating should always be closed ,no airbubbles otherwise the circulation to parts of the system could be cut of.A circulation pump could take care for this.If the intake of the fuel is high enough,the drain should be low.You would not really circulate the hot stuff but rather only run trough.The difficulty would than be to get all your circuits even flow! Therefore a heatexchanger would maybe the better design ,so you can kepp the heating circuit closed and draw the heat when available Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biodiesel powered radiant heat
Hi Seth, i guess you want to recover the cooling of new batches of BD to heat the floor.Keep in mind thath floorheating is verry slow to respond and should therefore be a continuing thing.Take in account to separate the glycerin upfront! The basic idea is good,sinze you dont need a lot of heat to heat the floor (25deg. is enough).The thing is to coordinate your input to get even heat to the floor! The Flexpipes should do the tric.To compensate for any cold-periode (lack of BD) i would poor electric cables,the ones that are sold to de-ice the eavedrougths,parallel to the Flexpipes. I did this in two of the houses i built lately and it workes very good.2400 watts are heating a whole house if solar has a break during nigth and cloudy conditions.You can install a thermostat or a timer to switch them on and off. If you run your BD heater,dont forget to install a heatexchanger before going in to the cementslab otherwise to much heat wont be very good! good luck with the project Fritz from Quebec ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] japanese facility aimed at creating sun on earth
Hello Keith, your post remindes me on a rumor of an french physicist who develloped topoint cero eregie (not to shure of the rigth name anymore) Hes Shop blow up on very dubious circumstances,the paperwork disappeared and anything about it was like suppressed! There is an other rumor,that Wernher von Braun was working on the project also.My dad worked with him,before he died very quick on Lucemia and the familiy always suspected a massive dose of radiation was the cause of it! Maybe there are related technologies? To say the same rumors say that the oilindustrie was behind the disapearance of the technologie!? Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Netanyahoo exposed
Hello all, it is not that we didn't know before,but its high time that the US Folks know about this too Fritz http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2F2010%2F07%2F16%2Fnetanyahu-in-2001-america_n_649427.htmlh=54731 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Other Oil Giants? Just as Unready as BP
Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Sorry Keith, i tend to disagree with you on this! The Oilsands prove the contrary! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 12% renewable energie in electrical production
Hello Keith, as always you are able to put my thougths in better words,but than,thats what journalists du best! My poor english does not help either but at least there are some idias on the table andto say it bothered me always to see so much waste not put to good use! By the way,my TDI runs beautiful on BD All the Best Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 12% renewable energie in electrical production by 2025
When i read your post,it seems to me that Biomass is wether woodchips or sweetgrass or how about putting thins together and combine all of it.Including Manure and humanwast ! The 8% agricultural could be replaced by wood or other forest dropings Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] more mad dogs
Hi Keith and all, first time i see a major Newspaper coming out with an article puting the crimes of Israel in the rigth ligth! Its all in french but worth reading it fore the ones able to. The tide is changing Fritz http://lejournaldemontreal.canoe.ca/journaldemontreal/chroniques/stephanegendron/archives/2010/06/20100601-065306.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Scum of the earth
James Machin wrote: Fact is, there is probably not such a document anywhere, so in case this is the case, perhaps we should start drafting the document ourselves. We can start with John Vidals comments ref the oil industy: 'If the billions of dollars of annual subsidies and the many tax breaks the industry gets were withdrawn, and the cost of protecting oil companies in developing countries were added, then most of the world's oil would almost certainly be left in the ground'. This probably being somewhere near the truth, perhaps that the initial task will be to nationalise all oil corporations and run them on a 'not for profit' basis - James - Original Message - From: James Machin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Scum of the earth I like the idea that 'when the people lead, the leaders follow' when contemplating how we are to control corporations. However, even though we now have the power of the internet to unite us, we remain (almost) totally ineffective. Yes, we have Avaaz and similar groups that are succeeding quite well in collecting names, but a list of names alone will not control corporations, however long that list is. I'm wondering if anyone has drafted the terms of a world wide applicable piece of legislation, designed to limit the power of corporations. Seems to me that with such a document in hand, the lists of names would have a concrete entity about which to focus.. We could then start working out the best way that 'the people' could then... 'hold the feet of our noble leaders firmly to the fire, and to be relentless about it'. best James -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20100531/a0589502/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Hi James, wasn't that what Iran did, before the Amis took their elected government out and replaced it whit the sha?! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] first batch
Hello Keith all, now a view weeks after my first batch of 40 liters a quick report! My WVO was after standing in the drum pretty kleen and dry. My first liter of new oil came out nicely and clear,pased the methanoltest and the steerwash test. My test with one liter (titration 2 +3.5 ) came out clear,good separation of the glycerine,methanoltest good and washtest with fast separation all as by the book! Meanwhile i made my self a processor from a stainless steel beerbarrel an took on a 40ltr. batch.same titration,i practiced 6 times.Good separation,Methanoltest and washtest,so i proceedet wit the wash for the whole batch! The thing was that the stuff would not get clear-translucend after a couple of days! So i put that stuff on the side and forgot about for a week or so! Today i went to check on it ... and the miracle happened all my stock was clear as it can be! My Jetta got rigth away a good can of it in the tank 50/50 to start out and it run beautiful ! A spare fuelfilter is on standby if needet ! Thanks Keith and all contributors to the archive to get me that far! Fritz a biofueler ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] getting there
Hello Keith, after reading and rereading and rereading it hit me! My ratio washwater -biofuel was just not rigth... same quantity oil -water solved the problem! naturally less water meant more concentrated dirt now the separation is clearly demarked with a fine line of white, the first wash still murky but nevertheless water. The sample before washed out nicely to and the third washing gave almost clear water! Next step is getting a spare fuelfilter and poor that good stuff in my jetta Thousand thanks for the patience with me Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] stirwash
Hello Keith, after my samples passed the Methanoltest with flying colours, the stirwash test thrown me back a bit! My washwater settled out ok,not to fast 1 hour about. The thing is,its opake white,a bit yellowish towards the oil.no separation line demarked the oil and the water. To say ,i did shake the water good in my oil! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] first batch
Hello Keith, as you suspected,my first 20ltr was'nt fully proceedet,since i skipt titration for some obvious reasons (hardhaeded old foul) So after reprocessing 2 liters of that first bad batch the pleasant surprise: 2 liters of WVO clear and golden passed easy the Methanoltest! (My first liter of fresh oil was good to) The rest oft the batch 18ltr. are in the processor now! I made my vessel from a 60ltr beerbarrel of stainlesssteel wich i fixed a valve on the deepest point to drain out. Half of the barrel is painted black to get the sun to du the heating part steering is done with a selfmade propeller and electric drill. Glycerin is in a separate container to be passed in a still later on (once enough accumulated) stearwashing i will kep for a later point to (exept for a testwash) since with small batches the loss of good oil is some bigger than with graeter batches. I am working on a washing tank made from a 20Gal Barrel ,circulating pump and sprinklerlike waterdispenser! After seeing,wath comes out of 20 ltr WVO i can not immagine how people like the young couple i mentioned last time get away with teir method of straigth WVO in the tank after filtering Thanks Keith for all the advice and now i am going to practice titration Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] first batch
Hi Keith, i did my first liter of new oil on sunday! Mixing 4ltr of methyl-alcohol with 70grams of Homeplumber sewerline-cleaner .there is no indication of what i used on the container,so i took a chance.The granules a bit pincisch-white-semi transparent! Mixed with the liter of new oil,the reaction was very swift and it cleared after a few minutes... So i draw 3 liters of my WVO wich was almost the same colour as the new oil,increased my Methoxide for 30grams of draincleaner for a total of 100g per 4Ltr. (less the 200ml drawn for the New oil) mixed the new mix with the 1.Liter of WVO! The reaction was the same than with the new oil, a bit more cloudy in the reaction but very quick settling to! two more samples like the secound each increased by 30g of draincleaner,before the last sample i mixed 17 liters of WVO with the mix 0f Methoxide 130g-4ltr. and at last added the last 30g per Volume=6gramm of draincleaner! This morning there is almost no difference to be seen on my testbaches,the big char is half way done,the top half is golden clear,the bottom havy cloudet.All the litersamples are at the same point approx 75% clear and 25% cloudy,the new oil the cloud is ligther. At this point i dont know if i used KOH or NaOH The Methanol was 100% (veryfied by calling the Manufacturer) so i know,there is no 100% of Methanol i tok it as the 99% The Titration i skipped because of to many anknowns in my supply of lye-Methanol! The frustrating part is here (Quebec) that non of the salespersons at the stores is qualified to answer technical questions as per content of there products and the labelling ist bad anyway! So there is the alternativ in learning in doeing it! Tomorrow i will test my samples with the stirwash and the Methanoltest. the rest of the same drum of oil (550ltr.) i will proceed with the recepy of the best result (if there is a good one) Thanks Keith for the help and the respond so quick Fritz Ps.: I think the big char is not as far with the reaction because of a lack of heat in my shed it should be better during the day with the good old sun! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] first batch
Hi Keith all, after so long time on theorics i'v made my first batch 4 hrs ago and the settling is halfway down in my 23ltr. glassbottle! My WVO collectet more than two years ago had so nicly separated from the water it looked almost like fresh oil! I pushed myself to start after an airing on CBC2 Ottawa of a couple of young people told listeners that you only have to filter the WVO and its ready for use in their Van! Their homepage http.driventosustain.ca does not mention anything of FFA's and the whole procedure just straigth after fitering poured in to the tank! And they campain in schools and give some kind of advice how to due! I was curious to know and invited them to come up here (and offert a free filling) but they haeded the same day for Kingston! So what i had to start and it looking not to bad! Buying Leye here is a bit of a challenge! The only thing i found was Draincleaner, a bit pink in colour but it seems working! i let you know more after my washing is done Thanks Keith for the excellent description of procedure on your site and all the contributors of it Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] It gets worse and wors
Israel escalates its repression, stoking the fires of division http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100325/OPINION/703249934/1080 Hi all, here a newsclip of new repressions against civilian population in Palestine! This must be bias as the Goldsteinreport! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Aftermath of Copenhagen
Hi Keith,Darryl, the low-energie-home i am building at the moment is equipped with Solar heating as warmwater will flow thru pipes poured in to the concreteslab. Once this is collected to the heatexchanger it will heat the Floor during dayhours! At nigth electricheating cables will take over the heatingneeds! Fore the time beeing only the electric cables are doeing the job! 2400watts are in 3 circuits poored in to the concrete slab! They heat the house 26x30ft,thre floors at 10 to 12 degrees centigrad,but this feels warmer because it is radiation heat!here in Quebec the consumption cost me some 100$ a month.Thats pretty low in compare to heating in other houses! For the comfort i have built a masonry-tile stove for woodburning! I guess the heatsource could be anything... the point is the storage of the heat instead of heating the air!Hot air is more costly to produce and keeping hot,is more likely to carry airpollutants,is more humide and so on!With radiation heat you can lower the airtemperature to 18 degree C and feel confortable like 22 degrees! I think buildingcodes should be reevaluated to allow for storage of heat in walls and slabs! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Electric vehicles, touted as next big thing, still in their infancy [Japan]
Darryl McMahon wrote: It's the Chevy Volt in Opel skinning. Is the Volt for real? That's an on-going debate. Originally announced in 2006 to be on sale in Q32009. That's last month. Most recent announcement is for availability in mid-2011. I saw a Volt prototype a couple of weeks ago at PHEV09. (see my blog item at http://www.econogics.com/blog.htm#2009.10.01) It's not ready. Current specs (which I don't expect to survive) are 60 km on a charge, and gas engine kicks in to power the electric motor, but does NOT charge the batteries. Based on my experience and what others are doing, that configuration is bizarre. Also, don't count on GM to provide the quick charging stations in any quantity or to maintain them (based on past experience in California and Arizona). Also, the automakers are currently throwing a wrench into the home charging deal by starting a whole new debate on what an electric vehicle charging plug should look like. (Don't get me started - I'm already in the trenches on this one, though it turns out I may have dug in on the wrong battlefield.) I'm skeptical about the automakers in general in this field, and cynical about GM in particular. In my opinion, the Volt / Ampera is just GM's current attempt to kill the electric car - again. There current PR / whispering campaign has convinced the Ontario government to not provide any incentives to homebuilders and converters, or small manufacturers, or LSVs (NEVs) or hybrid-upgraders when the grants come into effect middle of next year. I'm currently writing curriculum material for a course on converting cars to electric power. One of the things I say in the introduction is that waiting for the automakers for the past 40 years has not been effective. If you really want an electric car, the only way to be sure you will have one is to make your own. Darryl McMahon (lecturer, Fundamentals of Electric Vehicles course, 1981, 1982, 2009 and EV owner since 1978) Ivan Menchero wrote: A bit of good news! maybe Opel! yes Opel form GM! I could not believe it but yes! (may be Detroit finally got their shit together) http://www.opel-ampera.com/english/ I thought, if it is for real, in Europe will do wonders, in USA so so, since the people in USA drive much longer distance a day, but hey! with half a quart a day you are done! Basically a like 150CV car, maximum speed 160 k/h (remember you have full torque from the get go), around 100km autonomy on batteries and then if you need more, the gas engine kicks in to charge again the batteries, plug it in at home for an overnight charge or a 30 minute quick charge. SOUNDS GREAT! is it really? anyone knows if it is really true? Ivan Hi Darryl, now i am a little confused! Opel as far i know is in the process of being sold to Magna and an russian Partner! So if that deal is going true it coul well be that the criterias for the plug ins and so well be more for the european market! And than would this not give our want to be Priminister Linda a good image as savior of the world?! just an other angle of view Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] [Fwd: Solar Collector Window]
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[Biofuel] solar collector window
Hello Keith, at first like a miraclesolution... but than,maybe the end of interiorplants etc. as long as americans still live in an age where you need the fireplacetools to open the windows (famos clip by Disney with Donald Duck) and where people shrinkwrap their windows every begin of winter those windowimproovements dont impressme a lot! second,the references like can.Government,Embassys and Army is far from good references to me Fritz,the Windowman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pigdozer update.
Guag Meister wrote: Hi Keith ; Quick update for you about our pigdozer project. Our previous system for preparing a field for planting was the normal Cambodia way : 1) Plow in dry season to upturn roots and kill them. 2) Wait for some rain, this will germinate the remaining weed seeds. 3) Plow again. 4) Plow one more time before wet season to level for planting. This always infuriated me, because the naked earth was baking under the hot sun during the dry season. This KILLS the soil. But the concept was lost on them. They could see no other way to kill the weeds. We set up an electric fence. There was a bit of a learning experinence for the pigs, but they are not stupid. Now they will not touch the fence. My staff report that they could be running away from something and they stop at the fence like a car puts on brakes. We flood the field with water every two days. The pigs kill the grass and dig out all the strong roots of bamboo and other plants. Their weight is increasing, but slower than if fed by commercial feed. We also let them eat oil palm fruits, which they accept readily. They also love breadfruit, and we planted local water spinach and just let them get it by themselves. We hit a bell when we give them table rice scraps in the evening. They follow the guy with the bell like puppy dogs. If they ever do get out of the fence, we hit the bell and the pigs come running. Everyone is amazed, even the guy that took care of pigs for many years. He never thought it possible for the pigs to follow him around like puppy dogs. The report back is that the rice is growing VERY well in the area dug by the pigs. This is making big news with the locals. Now I get a wet, dug, and fertilized field without doing any work, without killing the soil, and without spending any money on diesel or pig food, and I get pig meat (and biogas later when we get to it). Fantastic! Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand www.gac-seeds.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Hi Peter, congrat for the achievement! My uncle had some 80 pigs or so and they have been kept in a half open stall.The sleeping area was with a ligtly heatet tilefloor and the r was a sort of gullyarea where the pigs did their manurething.this was kind of selfcleanig. I have never seen a pigplace as clean and almost no smell at all! The pasture was with real black earth and a little pond was there so they could get nice dirty! Pigs are smart! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] okay, question that is almost topic-relevant. Safe vegetable oils?
Chip Mefford wrote: In short, I have a small chainsaw powered sawmill. Now, I'll not try to defend the chainsaw as environmentally sensitive, nor sustainable. I'll leave that be for now. But the bit that I'm stuck on right now, is that running this sawmill generates a lot of sawdust. Some folks will argue that chainsaw mills suck because of the kerf, and bandmills are better due to the smaller kerf. Again, I don't want to argue. On wide planks, my chainsaw mill gives me really flat and accurate cuts. Bandmills wander a bit. So -to me- it's a question of do I want to leave the sawdust at the milling site, or at the planer later. Machs nix. But with the thought of composting all that really nice and very fine sawdust, it occurs to me that the bar-oil content is an issue. So, no big deal I think, I'll just use this fancy environmentally friendly vegetable oil based bar oil. But being the person I am, I decided to critique this concept. Seems that all commercial 'environmental' bar oils are canola based. And even though one isn't supposed to, it's possible to get that bar and chain pretty hot. 'cooked' canola oil doesn't seem like the stuff with which I want to amend my food garden soil. So I start looking at other vegetable oils, since these products are used in forestry all over the world where forestry is a more careful practice than here in the US, and I see that all over europe and parts of africa, vegetable based bar oils are the standard. But is this stuff really superior in an environmental sense than ole dinosaur bones? Esp when it's been heated/cooked? What is a good vegetable oil lubricant that isn't a GMO product? Any and all clues deeply appreciated. . Hello Chip, despite you dont wont to deal with this rigt now, your Chainsawmill is far from sustainable or economical! The kerf on a chainsaw is at least 10mm to 12mm in compare to a Bandsawmill 3mm! Your claim bandsawmills wander a bit... only if your blade is dull or badly maintained! I cut on my Bandsawmill up to 4000pmp a day,average 2000pmp depends how the wood is! You can not possybly mach that nearly with a Chainsawcut! But than thats what you got and you may as well use it! My boards are cut 1'' on center, i plane them down to 3/4 and have therefore very little sawdust or shavings,my shavings are pressed to Briquettes so i have allmost no loss! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] A wind turbine for your home
Dawie Coetzee wrote: Indeed. The conventional wisdom with wind turbines is, the bigger the better, and with reason. The interesting thing is the claim of rooftop suitability, which the same conventional wisdom warns us against. I wonder if that is purely a function of the small size: the literature does not elaborate. And I wonder if the problems with vibration apply only (or more particularly or equally) to North American timber and/or steel construction. I am not aware of any experience with heavy-masonry construction. Surely it is something one can detail out if the building is designed from the start to have a 16' turbine on top of it? Best regards Dawie Coetzee Hi Dawiee, you can hardly call thath a timberconstruction! In my books this is named Toothpic technique Timber as i see it would not have any problemes with it Best regards Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Power Consumption of Lighting Timers
Ken Dunn wrote: Hi all, I hope the cross-post is OK. I'm looking at adding a photo-sensitive lighting timer for my lamp post light. However, I'm having a hard time finding the energy consumption of the timer itself. Our lamp post light is already on a photo sensor and we use a CFL bulb. Ideally, the timer will only consume energy while the light is on and it should consume a watt or less in order to make it practical and beneficial. I can't seem to find that information, though. Any help you might be able to provide would be appreciated. Thanks, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Hi Ken, i think this is very neglegible it my be a fraction of a watt all depens the model Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] composting woodchips/sawdust
Hi Bernard,Keith, thanks for your posting on the matter,its very encouraging to know that i am on the rigth track! About woodchips starting fire while composting: indeed the heat generated in a damp pile of sawdust can actually start a fire.In my apprenticetime,we the apprentice had been often warned about leaving dump sawdustpiles under the Tablesaw,because it could start fire there! I have not experienced any mishap sofar but this maybe because of extra care since we had been warned so many times. It happens not often in a cabinetshop to cut wet wood but once in a while you run in to that situation and i remember allways to clean out under the tablesaw becaus of this,it becomes a habit! Jean Pain also states clearly,to pass the woodchips twiced in the chipper,so clearly there is no cutting corners here! An other point important is to wet the stuff very well when building the reactor and compacting the pile as you built it up! The whole sounds also quite labourintensive but when you consider the time to spend to cut firewood,splitting it,pileng to dry and than carriing the whole in the house,not to forget maintaining a woodshed,than the time to prepare your compostpile seems less work in general! The beneficial effect on clearing underbrush,specially in havily wooded aereas shold not be underestimated as well. Forest fires would have a harder time to reach your house if no underbrush is available! I guess the viability of the project is fully dependet on where you live and is not good in urban aereas,but makes good sence up here in northern Quebec! Best Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080818/6c0c98cc/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] concerns over Nova Scotia and Biofuel
Hi Keith, thanks fore your reply! The concerns about chopped wood i appreciate fully! My woodshop was located for more than ten years in Montreal.There i had a dustcollector (for shavings),a towerlike silo,with a big (7'x7'x7') Industrial Wastebin. The rip was filled from the Tower two times a week into the bin.Naturally some of the woodshavings fell allways aside. So from time to time i had to clean up the mess around and i noticed there was allwas beautiful black compost earth under the toplayer of the shavings! For a long periode i did not pay any attention to this,but now i know that i created there the very best compost environment.My shavings had been only from very dry wood,not more than 8% of residual humidity,since the wood was for interior furnitures and millwork! Now i count on the physical laws not to let me down and produce in my compostpile the heat,Jean Pain describes in his experiment! I am fully aware,that the keyrequirement is a very fine chipping of the material! The methanedigester wont be any issue in this pilotproject,my goal is only the creation of enough heat for Floorheating and warm watersuply! For the Floorheating,it wil be done with antifreeze in a closed circuit. The hotwater with separate piping connected to the elecric hotwatertank and circulated to preheat the water going in to the electrictank instead of filling the hotwatertank with coldwater! In my mind i think if geothermal heating can du the job,biothermal creates more heat,it only has to be harnessed! I also keep in mind thaqt heystocks caqn devellop great heat,to the point the may ignite them self! What concerns the Jean Pain method,i can not understand why this idea was never given more consideration,but in ligth of the general energie policies nothing surprises me anymore! Thanks for your attention Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080817/c9fd20cf/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] concerns over Nova-Scotia and biofuel
Hi Shan,Keith, burning biomass is one way of generating energie,composting it is probably less harmful to the environment! I am building at this moment two woodhouses in doubleblocksystem (see my website www.boiseriestraditionnelles.ca house on Lac Labelle) The estimatet insulationvalue will exeed R32,so i can consider the house as low energie building The principal heating will be done by a compostreactor as per Jean Pain's method (Keith, i live in a havily wooded aerea and underbrush is available more than i need) Every concretesurface (Slab and basementwalls) wil be used fore heating via warmwaterpipes running trough the bioreactor! In 35 hrs we collected about 15 tons of material to be shreded.My only concern at this moment is how far du i install the bioreactor from the house,since i dont know if thereis any unplaesant smell to expect from the biomass! I would appreciate any input from listmembers to improuve my pilotproject! A comment to the pressuretreated wood discussion! here in Quebec pressuretreated wood is considered as toxic wastematerial and have to be disposed accordingly! Despite of this reglement Hydro Quebec gave away thousands of decommissioned Hydropoles to anyone who wanted to have them! People did not know how toxic this material is,i was asked many times to go with my portable sawmill to cut them down into boards and beams! Giving them away saved them a lot of money to dispose of them properly! Still pressuretreated wood is sold and used for decks and landscaping without considering the toxic washout that hapens over the years! Best Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080816/a7fbfbd2/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] *Lorne Gunter, National Post *Published: Monday, July 21, 2008
Hi all,here is an article from the national postnow everything seems ok? or whatFritz Do as Al says, not as Al does *Lorne Gunter, National Post *Published: Monday, July 21, 2008 Jim Young/Reuters On Thursday, former U. S. vice-president Al Gore delivered a major address calling on his country to abandon all fossil fuels within 10 years. By 2018, U. S. electricity and fuel should come entirely from renewable energy and truly clean, carbon-free sources, he said. Tickets to the event encouraged attendees to please use public transit, bicycling or other climate-friendly means to reach the lecture hall. So how did Mr. Gore and his retinue arrive? In two Lincoln Town Cars and a full-sized SUV that sat idling with the air conditioners blasting while the Gore party was inside. It was 34 C in Washington. Al Gore can't be expected to get into an overheated vehicle after he's worked up a sweat telling others how to save the planet. Remember, too, the Nobel prizewinning environmentalist lives in a Tennessee mansion that produces a carbon footprint 20 times that of the average American home. A sizeable chunk of his personal fortune comes from royalties on a zinc mine which had to be temporarily closed five years ago in part because the U. S. Environmental Protection Agency ruled it one of the worst-polluting mine sites in America. Illegal toxins were frequently discharged into nearby rivers. Mr. Gore's Live Earth benefit concert last summer flew scores of rock bands to stages around the world in carbon-spewing private jets. To cover the emissions from his own frequent use of private jets, Mr. Gore set up a company that buys carbon offsets, so that in effect he is paying himself for his carbon indulgences, writing off the expense on one hand, while pocketing the proceeds on the other. Apparently if the world is ever to reach the carbon-free future Mr. Gore dreams of, it will have to get there without Al's help. But take heart, there is increasing evidence that man-made carbon dioxide may not be causing global warming. Indeed, there is increasing debate in the scientific community whether there is even any warming occurring at all. Mr. Gore might just be able to keep going from jet to limo to estate guilt-free (if not carbon-free) for as long as he wishes. On Tuesday, the Associated Press reported that seven mountain glaciers in northern California were advancing. They joined glaciers in southern Norway, Sweden, the New Zealand Alps and the Hindu Kush mountains of Pakistan. Indeed, worldwide, there are nearly half as many glaciers advancing as retreating. How did the AP explain this? Well, all the shrinking glaciers it mentioned in its story were melting due to global warming, while the growing ones were benefitting from changing weather patterns. Glacier melt is proof of a climate crisis, while -- on the same planet, under the same global conditions -- glacier advance is chalked up as a mere natural phenomenon. Facts that don't fit the global-warming dogma -- call them inconvenient truths -- are to be dismissed as unimportant. Only those that feed the environmental hysteria are proof of something ominous. So I'm sure they're entirely inconsequential, but here, anyway, are some anecdotes that cast doubt on the notion that emissions from our SUVs and power plants are dangerously harming the climate. Greenland isn't melting. And while Arctic sea ice may have thinned in the past three decades by about 3% per decade, according to the U. S. National Snow and Ice Date Center, Antarctic ice (which is about 20 times as voluminous as the Arctic kind) has grown by 1% per decade, Also, after last summer's record melt in the Arctic, this summer's melt in Antarctica was the smallest on record. And NASA satellites have found that Arctic Sea ice coverage this year is more than one million square kilo-metres greater than last year's, greater than the average of the last three years and 10-20 centmetres thicker than in 2007. According to observations by the Danish Meteorological Institute, we have to go back 15 years to find ice expansion so far south. Snow coverage in North America this winter was greater than at any time in recorded history. China had its worst winter in a century, and the southern hemisphere its worst in the past 50 years. And while global temperatures increased slightly in June, through the end of May, the nine-month decline in temperatures beginning in September was greater (0.8C) than all the warming of the 20th century (0.6C). All of this may prove nothing (although if these signals pointed toward warming, you can bet they'd be billed as proof a coming climate catastrophe). But they should at least give Mr. Gore comfort that he need not sacrifice his high-carbon lifestyle just to prove he can walk the walk. lgunter at shaw.ca -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080722/4b8c6bc1/attachment.html
Re: [Biofuel] *Lorne Gunter, National Post *Published: Monday, July 21, 2008
Hi Darryl, is'nt the national pest part of the Asperclan?! But than they always could say the opinion of a columnist is not allways the opinion of the paper,depens the reaction of readers! ant than who reads it anyways And shure this Lorne does know more than guys like James Hansen! Fritz - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] *Lorne Gunter, National Post *Published: Monday, July 21, 2008 This is the kind of writing (I won't call it journalism) that makes the National Pest a bit of a laughingstock outside of Canada's industrial elite. Original column is here: http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=2489e0b8-3e57-40eb-9748-6c250d63c40dp=2 As a former U.S. VP, I don't think Mr. Gore gets much say in his transportation entourage. Perhaps the writer could take that up with the U.S. Secret Service. I'm sure they would welcome probing enquiries into their protocols and procedures. As for the rest of the muck-raking, it's old news and has been addressed already. Interesting that the NP did not provide for comments and responses to that column. Clearly, Mr. Gore's most recent exhortation to move the U.S. electrical grid to sustainable sources within a decade has somebody heated up. Go get'em Al! This quote is attributed to Mahatma Gandhi: First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. Looks like Al Gore is at step 2, maybe even step 3. Darryl Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hi all,here is an article from the national postnow everything seems ok? or whatFritz Do as Al says, not as Al does *Lorne Gunter, National Post *Published: Monday, July 21, 2008 Jim Young/Reuters On Thursday, former U. S. vice-president Al Gore delivered a major address calling on his country to abandon all fossil fuels within 10 years. By 2018, U. S. electricity and fuel should come entirely from renewable energy and truly clean, carbon-free sources, he said. Tickets to the event encouraged attendees to please use public transit, bicycling or other climate-friendly means to reach the lecture hall. So how did Mr. Gore and his retinue arrive? In two Lincoln Town Cars and a full-sized SUV that sat idling with the air conditioners blasting while the Gore party was inside. It was 34 C in Washington. Al Gore can't be expected to get into an overheated vehicle after he's worked up a sweat telling others how to save the planet. Remember, too, the Nobel prizewinning environmentalist lives in a Tennessee mansion that produces a carbon footprint 20 times that of the average American home. A sizeable chunk of his personal fortune comes from royalties on a zinc mine which had to be temporarily closed five years ago in part because the U. S. Environmental Protection Agency ruled it one of the worst-polluting mine sites in America. Illegal toxins were frequently discharged into nearby rivers. Mr. Gore's Live Earth benefit concert last summer flew scores of rock bands to stages around the world in carbon-spewing private jets. To cover the emissions from his own frequent use of private jets, Mr. Gore set up a company that buys carbon offsets, so that in effect he is paying himself for his carbon indulgences, writing off the expense on one hand, while pocketing the proceeds on the other. Apparently if the world is ever to reach the carbon-free future Mr. Gore dreams of, it will have to get there without Al's help. But take heart, there is increasing evidence that man-made carbon dioxide may not be causing global warming. Indeed, there is increasing debate in the scientific community whether there is even any warming occurring at all. Mr. Gore might just be able to keep going from jet to limo to estate guilt-free (if not carbon-free) for as long as he wishes. On Tuesday, the Associated Press reported that seven mountain glaciers in northern California were advancing. They joined glaciers in southern Norway, Sweden, the New Zealand Alps and the Hindu Kush mountains of Pakistan. Indeed, worldwide, there are nearly half as many glaciers advancing as retreating. How did the AP explain this? Well, all the shrinking glaciers it mentioned in its story were melting due to global warming, while the growing ones were benefitting from changing weather patterns. Glacier melt is proof of a climate crisis, while -- on the same planet, under the same global conditions -- glacier advance is chalked up as a mere natural phenomenon. Facts that don't fit the global-warming dogma -- call them inconvenient truths -- are to be dismissed as unimportant. Only those that feed the environmental hysteria are proof of something ominous. So I'm
[Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
Hello all, i received lately a Video showing a Dieseldriven car with a modified engin! Apparentli this results in great fuelsavings beside very clean burning! I have some trouble to put the Video in the List,but you could go to www.econologie.com and get more Info from there Website! Everything is in french maybe Frantz coul help a little with this Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080502/c6d1d5fd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
Well the thing is,in this video a young french guy shoes a Renault Diesel modified by him to run on partly water! I dont have the knowledge to judge if there is anything good about it! The website looks like serios,thats where Frantz could give us a hand ! I would like to put the video in the List,Keith also give me some instructions how to due,but i am a double lefthand when it comes to handling a computer! I will send the video to Frantz maybe he could due better than me Thanks Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080502/878c584a/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bidets: Eliminate Toilet Paper, Increase Your Hygiene
Hi Zeke, i consider to install at my Toillet a handheld shower beside the bowl similar to the ones you find in kitchensinks.I need to find only a easy to handle and reliable one with a good valve Fritz - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bidets: Eliminate Toilet Paper, Increase Your Hygiene On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am also interested in creating a toilet that combines a bidet with a composting sawdust toilet. Since these toilets can cope with urine, I'm sure they could cope with the small amount of water that a bidet produces. See the Composting Toilet Systems Book and Humanure Handbook for more information. Composting toilets actually have a bit of trouble dealing with urine, especially the small self contained units. Too much liquid drowns them and makes them go anerobic instead of aerobic. This is why most of them have electric heaters in them... the non heated ones that only have a vent fan to aid in evaporation can handle a much lower loading than the ones with heaters. Now.. there is no reason that you couldn't use a solar thermal system to aid in the heating and evaporation instead of an electric heater... but I know that too much liquid can be a problem. I still think that a bidet would be good to avoid using so much paper. In africa I used a little tea pot of water, and it was fine. For my current situation, in the winter the outhouse is well below freezing most of the time, so it might get a bit frozen up. but perhaps I could think of a way to incorporate a solar thermal system on there too... Z ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080430/c026842e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] american Trucks
Hi all, a friend of mine wants to buy a 250 Pickup to pull a 5.whealer trailer What model should he look for to be able to run on BD.We think to look for a 2tank system.Up here in Canada we have very cold winters Thanks for your help Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080428/e4c0a8af/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] american Trucks
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Re: [Biofuel] cure for incurable viral disease
Hi Kirk, why are tose Videos all fall short of explaining how to built that device an use it would you know? Thanks Fritz - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: [Biofuel] cure for incurable viral disease http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2095786730805958061 Beck video - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080423/ada43c11/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080423/b8581ab6/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] cure for incurable viral disease
Thanx Bruno Fritz - Original Message - From: Bruno M. To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cure for incurable viral disease Fritz Kirk, You can make that bull-crap device ( as useless as an Hulda Clark zapper ) yourself easely : 1 of the many links: http://educate-yourself.org/be/beckelectrifierschematicandparts.shtml But did you guy's noticed that this crap has nothing to do with Biofuels...? Grts Bruno M. ~ At 17:19 23/04/2008, Fritz Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kirk, why are tose Videos all fall short of explaining how to built that device an use it would you know? Thanks Fritz - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:25 AM http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2095786730805958061 Beck video === -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1393 - Release Date: 23/04/2008 8:12 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080423/19d315d5/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO supplies on the wane?
Hi Olivier, they just top it off every day, you hit the nail rigth on! When i inquiered once at a greesy spoon chain in Quebec,the Manager told me,there is no wvoil,they have apparantly so much turnover that they dont need to change any oil! since this time i make a big detour when ever i see a Labelle Province Restaurant Fritz - Original Message - From: Olivier Morf To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO supplies on the wane? Hi Keith, Regarding your last paragraph, I can confirm that here there is no or very little WVO. Either they just keep using it and top it off every day or the cooks are taking it home. I visited an instant noodle factory and there's no WVO, they keep adding unless it really becomes really rancid. I think it is not only a question of choice, it is also a question of education. They just don't know always that it is not good for health. As long as it tastes ok they keep using it. An other example; they prefer white rise. Brown rise does not looks clean to them. Although here there is an other more practical reason. You need to cook brown rise longer thus more energy. But if you ask an urban person, they think the rise as not been cleaned. They don't know that there's good stuff for human as well in the bran. They use it as animal feeding. Olivier From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:29:07 +0900 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] WVO supplies on the wane? The price of cooking oil went up. The supply of WVO from the restaurant we usually get it from went right down, from more than enough to much less than enough (though we also have other sources, so no big problem). The FFA content went up, doubling from a titration of 0.8 - 1.2 ml 0.1% NaOH solution to 2.0 - 2.35 ml. Also not a problem. So it seems they keep costs stable by using the oil longer. That's probably a common practice. This is quite a good restaurant (you can tell from the previously low titration levels), not very good restaurants will probably keep it going even longer. Again, probably not a big problem for most, all indications are that there's still really a lot of WVO that goes unaccounted for in most of the industrialised countries, though for a couple of years now backyard brewers have been telling of increasing competition for local supplies. In poorer countries though, from what I've seen elsewhere and from what I can gather, there might not be much to spare for diesel motors - people just keep using their oil until it's all used up. Not very good for them, but they might not have much choice. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080313/6b684ecb/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Farmer in Prison
Hello all, for those reading french,here the story of the quebec farmer put in prison for producing organic milk!Sorry no english version available Fritz http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080218/CPOPINIONS05/80217147 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080227/605d5c79/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biofuels, agriculture, health, welfare, et al. (Part 1)
Hello all, some news from Montreal: a Quebec Farmer is Jailed for not paying the fine he was imposed for producing Bio-milk and not adding Vitamine D to his Milk I will try to get more info soon Fritz - Original Message - From: Chip Mefford To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] biofuels, agriculture, health, welfare, et al. (Part 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Originally Posted to the list, on Monday, feb 11, 2008: - - It's now been two days since the final keynote speech of the Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable Agriculture 2008 conference ended. I've slept 2 nights, and still have not assimilated the information I gathered -almost by osmosis- by attending. Was just about the best money and time I ever spent. The final keynote was delivered by Mark McAfee of Organic Pastures Dairy http://www.organicpastures.com/ in California. Mr McAfee's dairy is one of the two licensed raw milk dairies in California, and one of one certified organic raw milk dairy in that state. In his keynote, he made a lot of tall claims for his product specifically and raw dairy in general. And I, being who I am somewhat skeptical in nature, had a bit of a problem with it all. However, taking anecdotes for what they are, was pretty overwhelmed by some of the claims of his customers. Throughout the whole presentation, the line from Frank Zappa's 'cosmic debris' kept floating to the top of my consciousness, And you may not believe this little fella, but it'll cure your asthma too. Seems the LA region of California is suffering from a literal epidemic of asthma. The stats he gave were 1 in 5, that's 20 percent of children in that part of the state. Of his customer base, many began using raw dairy with asthma, and have put their pills and inhalers away, because the symptoms are all gone. All, gone. Caveats apply of course, folks who are living with the western modern 'heath' or rather, anti-heath of cancers, massive pharmaceutical dependencies, esp hormones and antibiotics could quite literally be killed by a switch to raw dairy. The baseline of general health must be there. The probiotic nature of raw dairy is pretty strong stuff. The general thesis is, that we, esp in the west, but basically all over the world, never really made it anywhere, without the cow. We have co-evolved over the last few tens of thousands of years. We are in point of fact, symbiotically co-dependent, we are our dairy, we are our gardens and farms, and they are us. Now, for me, this rather flies in the face of what I have read and studied, I was under the impression (and still somewhat still am) that homo sapiens relation with 'cattle' is way too young for there to be a symbiotic relationship, but apparently, there is a context. homo sapiens the hunter/gatherer and homo sapiens the cultivator are very different in lifestyle, diet and lifespan. Apparently, homo sapiens from the farm like other homo sapiens, live between 70 and 100 years, keeping their working strength for pretty much all that time, from adolescent onwards. Homo sapiens post-farm, (homo novus if you will) also go 70-90+ years but begin their decline almost as soon as they hit reproductive maturity, and that curve starts turning downwards quickly after 45+ years. Now, it's interesting to note that in our 'pharmaceutical rich' biosphere that we have created over the last 50 years, that 'People' in the west, due to presence of real and artificial growth and reproductive hormones in the food chain, are starting to show signs of early onset of puberty at insane ages, I overheard folks talking about studies showing signs in 1 year old girls. The dairy, the meat, the vegetables, and by immediate one-jump extension, Us, are totally tied to the soil, and the pasture. Seems like, the funding for the ARS pasture research work has been completely gutted by President Bush. As if, the pasture no longer had any meaning in this day. Seems, this day of patented gmo grains, antibiotics, and 'feed lot' type 'cattle' factory farming has precluded the science of the pasture. As if the pasture no longer has any significance. One could get the impression that here in the US, as well as the rest of the developing world, large multinational organizations are running a full court press to remove the farm aspect from food production entirely. Seeing as -at least the anecdotal- evidence strongly implies, if not outright insists, that factory food production leads to long term dependence on pharmaceutical products, at a much reduced quality of life, the only reason for this it seems, would be to increase the wealth of a few, at the expense of the heath of the whole. Gee, do you think
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel or Byproduct Powered Boiler
Hello Willie, there comes Jean Pains Reaktor for Compost to my mind.Depend naturally on availability of composting materials and probably a little burner to heat the water a bit more than the 60 degree cel. a composter can make As a second way could be Solarheat (only in summer?) Fritz - Original Message - From: Will Kelleher To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel or Byproduct Powered Boiler Hello everyone, I'm involved in a student run project to construct a 400 gallon batch reactor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. We cannot use electricity as a source for our reaction heat, so we have been looking for a product or byproduct fueled boiler to heat water that will pass through a heat exchanger to heat the oil. Does anyone have any recommendations? I came across a product from Agsolutions that claims it can burn a mixture of product and byproduct, the ideal solution for us, but their site does not provide very much information. I also read a few threads in the infopop forum that mention the hazards of burning byproduct. Is our goal feasible? Thanks, -- William Kelleher Sophomore, Electrical Engineering University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080210/94e4d2ae/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080210/29bd7edf/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Before You Vote for Hillary Clinton Read This
Hi Tony, as long i rememberd i heard those storys about changes on the way and yet things always turned out wors than they seemed at the point!We can always blame the few who are doeing those bad things and say,it is not our fault,we cant doe nothing about and it gets worse and worse! Change has to come from the grassroots up and have to be swift and dramatic and as long you yankees are more concerned about keeping your Livestil there will be no change! And as a analog conclusion: if those Palestinians deserve collectiv punishment for those homemade rockets,maybe the Israelis deserve that same outcome to and therefore the US citicens should be treated the same way! Logic or not? Fritz - Original Message - From: Tony Marzolino To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Before You Vote for Hillary Clinton Read This Hello Keith, Thanks for the post. I absolutely agree that the current parties or candidates are NOT the answer nor will they offer or implement any meaningful change.. However, I believe change is on the menu and there are other solutions. Mike Bloomberg is one option and even if he does not run, he is influencing the national debate. There are many Internet sties concerning this topic. I have listed just two. http://www.runmikerun.com/ http://www.runmikebloomberg.com/ Also the GAO (General Accounting Office) has some GREAT publications on the current and future financial crisis facing this country. Our time is running short. Two excellent GAO reports are listed below. http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08489cg.pdf http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08490cg.pdf This and much else (i.e. declining dollar, housing crisis, US war, etc) will force change. Hopefully. Regards, Tony Marzolino Berkshire, NY Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Addison wrote: IMHO it's worth taking another, good, long, hard-eyed look at the Clinton presidency these days, just for the sake of a little perspective. Not much different from GW Bush, essentially the same, but with gloves on, not so in-your-face, less extreme. Not the solution. I'm not saying it's Hillary Clinton who's not the solution, it's the Other Business Party as a whole that's not the solution. It's time for change, and it's not on the menu. If voting worked it would be illegal. (British graffiti, 1980s.) Best Keith - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080209/6d7a1cfb/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080209/b7f4f821/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Green Developer?
Hi Tom, i believe thats a little eyewash. a house could be ready for photovoltaic technologie only in orienting an inclining roof-tops to the south,so there is no real readynes or so.Nothing to be exidet about! Grenn building starts with the selection of the least energieconsuming components,least toxidity of materials used and so on.An other factor woud be energie consumption of the new house as far as heating or cooling concerns!Architecture is a third factor as well selection of landsites! To achieve real green and sustainable construction,buildingcodes and techniques have to be completly reshuffled Fritz - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Green Developer? Hello All, I recently attended a presentation by a developer. The presenter used the words green and sustainable in reference to the development. I would appreciate a bit of help. What does it mean when one says that many of the houses will be photo-voltaic ready? I understand that it suggests that they will support the addition of PV cells. Is there anything specifically different about the construction of PV ready houses that makes them different from other houses? Tom -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080208/19db69cd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080208/1d905c19/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Accross America.......
Hi Keith, you nailed it again! It seems nobody is learning from history (or wants to learn)! Way back the thirty year war was exactly the same result of unhappy warriers whoo did all that plundering and murdering accross Europe. Nothing changed since So Friedrich Schillers Song of the Bell comes to my mind: Dangerous it is to wake the lion, Ruinous is the tiger's tooth, But the most terrible of all the terrors, That is the mensch [1] when crazed. And nobody should blame anyone else for his very own crimes It's been the same since the beginning of warfare. Train a civilian to kill, maim, rape and pillage. Turn him into a highly tuned fighting machine with hair-trigger responses. If you let them train you to the abouve things you can not foreward the responsability of your actions to the trainers. it is still you whoo dit the dirty job! Who lives with the gun dies with the gun! my fife cents Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080118/f9712ceb/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] We need these cars *#
Hi all, there was a radioshow on CBC 1 on thursday afternoon talking about the new lowcost car from India!Cost here in Canada approx.2 300$can.So this stupid announcer said: People who can not afford a more expensive car should walk or take public transport! What a qualifiing statement (for his very own intelligence) And he went on whit statments that can Cars should have much more than a 30HP or so engine,you need more power on the road! Well my first car ,a LLoyd Alexander TS had a full 17HP and run top 125Kmh! And further the guy went... we dont need those cheep cars the gonne excellerate the pollution level ! Fritz - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] We need these cars *# Dear Kirk, I don't know whether this particular model is for me, but I am sure there will be many competitors over the next decade. The Zenn folks are to be congratulated. I think the U.S. balance of payments deficit would improve over time if we were to import large numbers of Zenns and less gasoline/diesel/crude. I think we need to be concerned with battery safety and the mine-to-landfill environmental impacts of the batteries. In my case, the electricity would come from wind and small hydro when parked at home; so I welcome the age of the electric car. Regards, Wendell From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/11 Fri AM 01:57:22 CST To: biofuel Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] We need these cars The ZENN (zero emissions no noise) car. Video, 10 min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M88k6Ipp3c - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080110/58248af2/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080111/f695cb01/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Forget oil, the new global crisis is food
Hi Keith, so it looks i am on the rigth track with my Fishys! In Summer 2005 i have put 15 000 Brooktrouts of 4cm size in my two Lakes! They reached to day up to 60cm in size and are delicious! During the Newjears Hollydays we went eicefishing and had a good catch! I smoked a part of them cold.On a Bagel with creamcheese a deligth!! The most beautiful thing,the fishys sponed already 3 times.Food for the fishys is plenty,one trout had 3 shrimps in her stomach and the holes in the ice filled in no time with plankton! so i am somehow pretty exited ! Fritz - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:48 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Forget oil, the new global crisis is food http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=213343 Forget oil, the new global crisis is food BMO strategist Donald Coxe warns credit crunch and soaring oil prices will pale in comparison to looming catastrophe Alia McMullen, Financial Post Published: Friday, January 04, 2008 Scott Olson/Getty Images A new crisis is emerging, a global food catastrophe that will reach further and be more crippling than anything the world has ever seen. The credit crunch and the reverberations of soaring oil prices around the world will pale in comparison to what is about to transpire, Donald Coxe, global portfolio strategist at BMO Financial Group said at the Empire Club's 14th annual investment outlook in Toronto on Thursday. It's not a matter of if, but when, he warned investors. It's going to hit this year hard. Mr. Coxe said the sharp rise in raw food prices in the past year will intensify in the next few years amid increased demand for meat and dairy products from the growing middle classes of countries such as China and India as well as heavy demand from the biofuels industry. The greatest challenge to the world is not US$100 oil; it's getting enough food so that the new middle class can eat the way our middle class does, and that means we've got to expand food output dramatically, he said. The impact of tighter food supply is already evident in raw food prices, which have risen 22% in the past year. Mr. Coxe said in an interview that this surge would begin to show in the prices of consumer foods in the next six months. Consumers already paid 6.5% more for food in the past year. Wheat prices alone have risen 92% in the past year, and yesterday closed at US$9.45 a bushel on the Chicago Board of Trade. At the centre of the imminent food catastrophe is corn - the main staple of the ethanol industry. The price of corn has risen about 44% over the past 15 months, closing at US$4.66 a bushel on the CBOT yesterday - its best finish since June 1996. This not only impacts the price of food products made using grains, but also the price of meat, with feed prices for livestock also increasing. You're going to have real problems in countries that are food short, because we're already getting embargoes on food exports from countries, who were trying desperately to sell their stuff before, but now they're embargoing exports, he said, citing Russia and India as examples. Those who have food are going to have a big edge. With 54% of the world's corn supply grown in America's mid-west, the U.S. is one of those countries with an edge. But Mr. Coxe warned U.S. corn exports were in danger of seizing up in about three years if the country continues to subsidize ethanol production. Biofuels are expected to eat up about a third of America's grain harvest in 2007. The amount of U.S. grain currently stored for following seasons was the lowest on record, relative to consumption, he said. You should be there for it fully-hedged by having access to those stocks that benefit from rising food prices. He said there are about two dozen stocks in the world that are going to redefine the world's food supplies, and those stocks will have a precious value as we move forward. Mr. Coxe said crop yields around the world need to increase to something close to what is achieved in the state of Illinois, which produces over 200 corn bushes an acre compared with an average 30 bushes an acre in the rest of the world. That will be done with more fertilizer, with genetically modified seeds, and with advanced machinery and technology, he said. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments
Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators
Hi Tom, you could have achieved the low startload of havy motors with a Star Delta switch. Fritz - Original Message - From: Tom Thiel To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators Regarding starting motors in our off-grid woodshop: we treat 1 horsepower motors as intermittent-use, starting and stopping them at will. Larger motors are paired with a 1 horsepower motor to start each machine. After it is up to speed, the main motor is turned on. This system reduces the start-loading of the large motors almost down to full load amp rating, and its elapsed time to less than a second, since the rotor is already spinning. If he has an inverter / battery system, the battery bank will charge variably as (headroom) power is available, reducing the light-load wet stacking potential in the system. I await the SVO discussion with great interest. Tom Thiel On 6 Jan, 2008, at 8:52 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Seems to me like an engine running an 8 hour shift would be ideal for SVO -- you'd have to start it on biodiesel till it got up to operating temperature, then just make sure the incoming SVO is as hot as you can get it -- 180F or higher. The schemes to just thin SVO with biodiesel and ethanol seem pretty risky. One thing to think about is wet stacking the generator depending on the loading of the shop -- many diesel generators cannot be run at less than 20% of full load, and if the generator is sized for starting large motors, it may not operate at this level consistently. Z On Jan 6, 2008 6:01 PM, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, On 9/25/06 Pagandai Pannirselvan wrote: The small co generation of electrical energy based on the bio diesel can make possible the use of pure used vegetable oil and also some e 5 porcent hydrated ethanol , making possible to lower the viscosity of used vegetable oil in deiesel engine, removing dependence with Conventional deisel. Thus the blend of used vegetable oil 70 percent, hyrated ethanol 10 percent and biodeisel 20 porcent can be used with less problem for motor maintainence in rural areas. I've recently been contacted by a former student who would like to generate his own electricity for his woodworking business. He is considering a diesel generator and asked about biodiesel. I suggested he look into using a BD/WVO blend rather than processing it all into BD, as he would be using about 3 gallons (11.4 L) per hour (120+ gal/week). 1. Does anyone have experience using a blend such as that suggested by Pagandai Pannirselvan in a diesel generator? 2. Hydrated ethanol: What % water would be tolerated? In the U.S. it is possible to get a permit to distill ethanol. Only that which leaves the premises must be denatured to prevent human consumption. 85-90% ethanol is do-able, and used on premises would not have to be denatured 3. Could E-85 be substituted for the hydrated ethanol? I've heard of commercial suppliers adding small amounts of gasoline to their diesel. Since the E-85 would only constitute 10% of the mix, the total gasoline would only be .15 X .10 = .0150 (1.5%) Thanks, Tom -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080106/e76c540e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080107/437ad854/attachment.html
Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators
Hi Tom, i have a 100KvA 600V Dieselgenerator with a 140 HP Mitsubishi Engine.The consumption by staedy 30A is a little less than 8 liters/hr. I would not take the chance and run the Gen on straigt WVO or even a blend of the same. The Genset has to perform staedy in a woodworkshop.A braekdown would be to costly,specially it would always happen in the worst time! My Genset by the way is for sale,it has 370hrs on and is in mint condition. If your woodworking student is interested please give him my coordinates www.boiseriestraditionnelles.ca Fritz - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:01 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators Hello All, On 9/25/06 Pagandai Pannirselvan wrote: The small co generation of electrical energy based on the bio diesel can make possible the use of pure used vegetable oil and also some e 5 porcent hydrated ethanol , making possible to lower the viscosity of used vegetable oil in deiesel engine, removing dependence with Conventional deisel. Thus the blend of used vegetable oil 70 percent, hyrated ethanol 10 percent and biodeisel 20 porcent can be used with less problem for motor maintainence in rural areas. I've recently been contacted by a former student who would like to generate his own electricity for his woodworking business. He is considering a diesel generator and asked about biodiesel. I suggested he look into using a BD/WVO blend rather than processing it all into BD, as he would be using about 3 gallons (11.4 L) per hour (120+ gal/week). 1. Does anyone have experience using a blend such as that suggested by Pagandai Pannirselvan in a diesel generator? 2. Hydrated ethanol: What % water would be tolerated? In the U.S. it is possible to get a permit to distill ethanol. Only that which leaves the premises must be denatured to prevent human consumption. 85-90% ethanol is do-able, and used on premises would not have to be denatured 3. Could E-85 be substituted for the hydrated ethanol? I've heard of commercial suppliers adding small amounts of gasoline to their diesel. Since the E-85 would only constitute 10% of the mix, the total gasoline would only be .15 X .10 = .0150 (1.5%) Thanks, Tom -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080106/e76c540e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080106/77db28bc/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Jean Pain Video
Hi Keith,Eric, the Video does not talk technical details at all. I have read about Jean Pains project long time ago in readers Digest,but first time i seen this Video.The whole thing looks pretty easy. Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071218/9db26303/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jean Pain Video
Hi Keith, thanks for this.I am a hopeless dreamer But everyonce a while there is this urge to due somethings with this endless waste here.Sitting on a former graphitmine,stript to the rocks i would like to help nature to recover faster.Aldoe Mother Nature is doeing a pretty good job without me.So we found a spot under the Hydroline with more than 50 Orchids (Ladyslippers) and there you know Nature is very strong and beautiful. The digester is an other thing,a porcfarmer here has a lot of problems to get rid of his manure. Naturally his reservoir is open air and therefor rain and snow goes in the manure and its again a lot of wast to carry all that good water with the manure out in the fields all done by dinofuels.The guy dont want to invest anymore in his operation specially now the price of porc is below cost.It is quite frustrating to see whats going on there,and there are a lot of those pigfarms out there! Producing electricity from that stinky gold would be the rigth thing i guess.It is because nowbody wants to invest in the future of this planet. Pains model would be good here in Quebec for communities.We have lots of shrubs,manure and other biomass and cold enough winters.Last week we had -26 and w got more than 60cm of that with stuff! Chrismas is therefore aledy in the bag! Have a peaceful Hollidayseason Fritz - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jean Pain Video Hi Fritz Hi Keith,Eric, the Video does not talk technical details at all. I have read about Jean Pains project long time ago in readers Digest,but first time i seen this Video.The whole thing looks pretty easy. Fritz Not very complicated anyway, if you're not deterred by 50-ton compost piles (about 100 cubic metres). I think you have to shred the branches and stuff, just chopping it up won't do. We make 1-cub-metre compost piles, four or five of them in series, more than that would really up the hassle factor. Tom Kelly makes somewhat bigger piles, but I doubt he'd want to make them much bigger than that, like 100 cub metres. It should be doable on a smaller scale, people like us or Tom should be able to use it. I doubt you need so much compost, and I think you could get more biogas out of a smaller unit, by feeding it say oilseed cake and biodiesel by-product for instance, as well as the forest stuff. Small-farm-type by-products and waste products should improve it, and/or wastes rescued from the local waste stream. Pain used big machines for shredding and so on, IIRC, from what I could make out from the French website(s). His system would be more usable if it were more adapted to small mixed organic farms (which should have trees anyway). A 5 or 6hp chipper shredder should be able to handle it, something a small organic farm needs anyway (though you can do without it, like most things). Actually there's not that much to adapt. You don't really need to put the biogas digester inside the compost pile to maintain the temperature. You can use a much smaller compost unit to heat water (as well as passive solar), and use a heat exchanger to keep a smaller digester warm (it only has to be warm, not hot, and I think it's only necessary in cooler countries). There are lots of ways of doing it I think. Probably you could just dismantle Pain's system into its component bits and use the bits you require, as they fit in with your situation and resources, linking them together again as and where it works well for you. Organic growing, composting, heat exchangers, passive solar, hot water, biogas. Easy enough. And keep Jean Pain's system for forests. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071218/8405b62a/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sustainable Subsoiler and Other Questions
Hi David,Keith, if got an older Farmbook from Germany,there they show a Chickenstall on an old Heywagon.The Floor of it is done with a metalkind of Grill,so the Chickenwagon stays mostly clean. The Chickenwagon is parked on a pasture and from time to time moved,so the Manure is spread over the pasture.The Chickens feed on the Grassland and need little other food complementary. Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071217/0806175c/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] recycled building materials
Hi Jason,Bruno, those styrofoam insulations have a good insulationvalue but are very easy to burn. There is,beside the fact that your insulation could very well be gone after a few years due to incompatibility of chemicals near the insulation. I worked lately with insulation made from recycled paper.this recycled stuff is treated with bore,so mites and bugs wont go inside.It is also kind of fire resistent and the best of all it lets the insulatet wall breathing,as long there is no vaporbarrier installed. A small House,wich i have buildt this year is done with 6' studdwalls,a hybrid between post and beam - and conventional 2x6 lumber.Covered inside and outside with 2x4 tongue and grouve Cedarwood. My estimate is,that i reach a R 30-32 Insulation value.A second feature is,the house was built on very low budged. You con have a look on my website: www.boiseriestraditionnelles.ca go to Photos-House near Lac Labelle grts Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071214/ac676c27/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity
Hi Fox, beside this,there where no mention of the letter in the can,news today!For them it was the Pope who called for peace between the religions!Seems to me ongoing with the brainwash... Fritz - Original Message - From: fox mulder To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity You have been brain washed by the western media which reinforces your evangalical belief. How do you know they did it. A great many number of muslims died in the world trade centre. --- swalms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps they should state they deplore the attacks of 911. or do they? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Molloy Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 6:26 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity 138 Muslim Scholars Issue Open Letter to Christian Religious Leaders | IslamToday / Agencies| 11 October 2007 138 of the world's leading Muslim scholars and intellectuals from all branches of Islam (Sunni and Shia, Salafi and Sufi, liberal and conservative) had come together to write a letter entitled A Common Word Between Us and You, to the world's Christian leaders. The drafting of the letter was organized by the Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought in Amman, Jordan. Though its message has been said by Muslim scholars many times before, it is the first time so many high-profile Muslims have come together in public to make such a unified call for peace. The letter was launched first in Jordan this morning, and then in other countries over the course of the day, the letter gets its final unveiling at a joint press conference in Washington D.C. this afternoon by Mustafa Ceric, Grand Mufti of Bosnia, and John Esposito, Director of the Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University. In a display of unprecedented unity, the letter - which calls for peace between the world's Christians and Muslims - is signed by no fewer than 19 current and former grand ayatollahs and grand muftis from countries as diverse as Egypt, Turkey, Russia, Syria, Jordan, and Palestine. War-torn Iraq was represented by both Shi'ites and Sunnis. It is addressed to Christianity's most powerful leaders, including the pope, the archbishop of Canterbury and the heads of the Lutheran, Methodist and Baptist churches, and, in 15 pages laced with Qur'anic and Biblical scriptures, argues that the most fundamental tenets of Islam and Christianity are identical: love of one (and the same) God, and love of one's neighbor. On this basis the letter reasons that harmony between the two religions is not only necessary for world peace, it is natural. As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes . Our very eternal souls are all at stake if we fail to sincerely make every effort to make peace, the letter reads. If Muslims and Christians are not at peace, the world cannot be at peace. With the terrible weaponry of the modern world; with Muslims and Christians intertwined everywhere as never before, no side can unilaterally win a conflict between more than half of the world's inhabitants, the scholars wrote. Our common future is at stake. The very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake, It's an astonishing achievement of solidarity, says David Ford, director of the Cambridge University's Interfaith Program. I hope it will be able to set the right key note for relations between Muslims and Christians in the 21st century, which have been lacking since September 11. One profound obstacle to establishing positive relations among mainstream Muslim and Christian groups, argues Ford, has been the lack of a single, authoritative Muslim voice to participate in such a dialogue. This letter changes that. It proves that Islam can have an unambiguous, unified voice, says Aref Ali Nayed, a leading Islamic scholar and one of the letter's authors. Sources: Emily Flynn Vencat, Giving Peace a Chance Newsweek October 11, 2007 Peter Graff, Unprecedented Muslim call for peace with Christians Reuters October 11, 2007 Jumana Farouky, Muslim Leaders Send Peace Message Time October 11, 2007 =QQQ
Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power
Hi Terry, my comment was made more as a joke :)), But so or so Water taken from the River will have a negative effect on Fishes! We should focus on reducing electric consumption and not increasing production! A small example,Northamerican Machines of almost any kind are swiched directly to full power! This takes about threfold the consumption as if they where switched Star -Delta,wich means in layterms you start your Motor slowly up an then when it reaches the full rotation you swich to delta!Any european Machine of 3HP or so is equiped with such a switch!cost a little more for the Machine but you save on consumption! Fritz - Original Message - From: Terry Dyck To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power Hi Fritz, Sorry for taking so long to get back to you and answering your questions. In BC the mountains are very high and there are rivers in these high mountains. I believe that it is possible to have some high river water diverted to a hole made in the mountain to create a drop for the water to create electricity. At the lower end of the mountain the water simply goes back to its original stream. Terry Dyck From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:23:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power Hi Terry, and how do de get the Water on top of the mountain?? :)) But wont this water be missed in the river it belongs? Fritz - Original Message - From: Terry Dyck To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean PowerHi Fritz, A new Hydro project in BC, Canada is being planned which does not involve a dam. The water will spill into a hole in the top of a mountain and produce a lot of electricity. The project will not interfere with fish or the forest. Only damage will be roads to the facility. Terry Dyck From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:47:12 -0400 Subject: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't c! ount as clean Power Hi Keith and all, if one counts how sloppy Hydro-dams have been built here in Quebec,Valleys had been flooten with little clesn up before flooding!Whole eareas of Forest submerged (a lot of them also in BC),wich creates on top of the Methane also a high Mercury-pollution (via Tannin/zyanide),so the Government recomend only restrictet Fishconsumption! Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/cf5409a0/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archiv! es (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Have ! fun while connecting on Messenger! Click here to learn more. http://e ntertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/58346788/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071007/efba733e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined B! iofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Are you ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5 ? Get the latest for free today! http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071017/67a69ecb/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org
Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power
Hi Terry, and how do de get the Water on top of the mountain?? :)) But wont this water be missed in the river it belongs? Fritz - Original Message - From: Terry Dyck To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power Hi Fritz, A new Hydro project in BC, Canada is being planned which does not involve a dam. The water will spill into a hole in the top of a mountain and produce a lot of electricity. The project will not interfere with fish or the forest. Only damage will be roads to the facility. Terry Dyck From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:47:12 -0400 Subject: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power Hi Keith and all, if one counts how sloppy Hydro-dams have been built here in Quebec,Valleys had been flooten with little clesn up before flooding!Whole eareas of Forest submerged (a lot of them also in BC),wich creates on top of the Methane also a high Mercury-pollution (via Tannin/zyanide),so the Government recomend only restrictet Fishconsumption! Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/cf5409a0/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archiv! es (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Have fun while connecting on Messenger! Click here to learn more. http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/58346788/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071007/efba733e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hydro Quebec....
Hi Jess, www.hydroquebec.com Fritz - Original Message - From: Jesse Frayne To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hydro Quebec Does sound cool, Fritz. Could you provide the French language link? Thanks, Jess --- Fritz Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received a Brochure from HQ anouncing their sustainable development!!! I translate from french: Take an example the new hydroelectric centrale of :Rocher-de -Grand-Mere on the river St.Maurice,built in an resraint urban milieux. Hydro Quebec installed ramps to access the river with boats,Bycicle paths and Belvederes to favorice Recreotourism.And this in respect to the environment! Sounds good eh??? Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/6cb56805/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Jesse Frayne itsdinner.ca Neighbourhood catering and general joie de livre Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071007/d821bf24/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power
Hi Keith and all, if one counts how sloppy Hydro-dams have been built here in Quebec,Valleys had been flooten with little clesn up before flooding!Whole eareas of Forest submerged (a lot of them also in BC),wich creates on top of the Methane also a high Mercury-pollution (via Tannin/zyanide),so the Government recomend only restrictet Fishconsumption! Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/cf5409a0/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Hydro Quebec....
I just received a Brochure from HQ anouncing their sustainable development!!! I translate from french: Take an example the new hydroelectric centrale of :Rocher-de -Grand-Mere on the river St.Maurice,built in an resraint urban milieux. Hydro Quebec installed ramps to access the river with boats,Bycicle paths and Belvederes to favorice Recreotourism.And this in respect to the environment! Sounds good eh??? Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/6cb56805/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Twentynine steps to the unthinkable
Hi Doug, not going into the discussion if the Holocaust killed 6 Million Jews,my beleive is,if it was only one,it was one to much! But talking about Dachau,my Childhood was not to far from D. und i know for fact,that my Grandfather was interned for about 3 Weeks in Dachau,because he refused to let his Sons (my Oncles) to the Hitlerjuths.My Grandfather had real Arien ancestors (wich i dont care about) Fritz - Original Message - From: doug swanson To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Twentynine steps to the unthinkable There's a documentary on Google video, I think it was directed by Alfred Hitchcock, with footage and commentary. Looks like proof to me that the holocaust happened. Having been to Ausschwitz and Dachau, I can believe, without having been through it, just having looked at the site, and the photos in their museum, that it wasn't just an elaborate hoax... the link is: *http://tinyurl.com/3c9yua for those that want to check it out. It is quite disturbing... doug swanson * -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070929/9b9b91e8/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] OilsandsTruth
Thanks Keith for posting the Info about can.Oilsands. There is more Info at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or www.OilsandsTruth.org Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070918/0d4b68b4/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] http://oilsandstruth.org/
Hello all, when i tried the link,it didn't work,so i got the good spelling of it Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070918/fb107021/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Watch this
Hi Kirk, did you watched the whole Video? I found a small (or big ) Mistake towards the End! Albert Einstein was presented as an other Austrian Scientist! In my books Einstein was born in Ulm Germany and this makes him a German Scientist! Not very important in my Philosophie but why the misrepresentation? Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070909/b780d434/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World
Hello Skak, its good old bavarian (the language of the haeven :)) ) Fritz - Original Message - From: Kåre Skak Pedersen To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World Now I got curious; Exactly what language was that? I know the languages from the countries surrounding DK, and it's none of them. Greetings from Denmark, Europe Skak On 07/09/2007, Fritz Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eh Ken, thats simply the language of resistance! Fritz - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Grüaßdi Fritzl, Jawoi, Bua! Leida heitztaag denga in d oid Hoamatl vuizvui Leit wia d Saupreiß. Göid und no Göid. Jamei Bua, so a Schmarrn! Pfüatdi Whoa! That ain't the German I learnt in college! -K -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/a9470bdd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/532201ff/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070907/5380e018/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World
Well sayd Gustl Thanks Fritz By the way,du you know the boarische Weltg'schicht von Michel Ehbauer? - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender To: Kåre Skak Pedersen Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World Hallo Skak, It is our dialect called boarisch or Bayerisch in standard German or Bavarian in englisch. Boarisch is getting rare I think. I am the last one in our family to speak it and I now speak it poorly as the only other one I could speak it with, my grandmother, died decades ago. I tried teaching it to my children and now to my grandchildren but they didn't/don't want to be different than their friends so it doesn't stick. When my oldest hit 28 she told me she wished she had learned German/Bavarian when she had the chance. Told her so. hehehe One of my young friends from Bavaria, Uli (52), comes here once a year and we speak in boarisch on and off. Mostly he is with others who don't speak the dialect so we have to use standard German which I also don't speak very well any longer. Other than the bible I don't read much in German so once a year isn't enough to keep me fluent. I am ashamed of myself but such is life I suppose. Anyhow, Uli tells me that he hears less and less Bavarian spoken in Bavaria and then mostly out on the land and mostly among older folks. Fritz has called it the language of resistance. I never thought of it that way but I like the idea. It is the language our people used before predatory culture became the norm, the reality. It is the language of the land, the family, the community. There is a smallness (in the best sense) and cohesiveness about it as well as a plainness and honesty of expression. We don't say feces when shit will do. It is the language of the common person full of life and humor. The name of those things which dangle between a mans legs are called Glockngspui in Bavarian which translates to Glockenspiel or chimes. I can't imagine that in standard German. It is the language people (used to) speak at home among family and friends. This is probably more than you wished to know but it is what it is friend. Happy Happy, Gustl Friday, 07 September, 2007, 06:14:27, you wrote: KSP Now I got curious; Exactly what language was that? KSP I know the languages from the countries surrounding DK, and it's none of them. KSP Greetings from Denmark, Europe KSP Skak KSP On 07/09/2007, Fritz Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eh Ken, thats simply the language of resistance! Fritz - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Grüaßdi Fritzl, Jawoi, Bua! Leida heitztaag denga in d oid Hoamatl vuizvui Leit wia d Saupreiß. Göid und no Göid. Jamei Bua, so a Schmarrn! Pfüatdi Whoa! That ain't the German I learnt in college! -K -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/a9470bdd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/532201ff/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ KSP ___ KSP Biofuel mailing list KSP Biofuel@sustainablelists.org KSP http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel KSP Biofuel at Journey to Forever: KSP http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html KSP Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): KSP http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft
[Biofuel] U.S.prof.who says Jews abuse Holocaus to curb critics resigns
From Haaretz - Last update - 11:37 06/09/2007 U.S. prof. who says Jews abuse Holocaust to curb critics resigns By The Associated Press A Chicago university professor who has drawn criticism for accusing some Jews of abusing the legacy of the Holocaust agreed Wednesday to resign immediately for everybody's sake. DePaul University officials and political science professor Norman Finkelstein issued a joint statement announcing the resignation, which came as about a hundred protesters gathered outside the dean's office to support him. Finkelstein, who is the son of Holocaust survivors, was denied tenure in June after spending six years on DePaul's faculty. His remaining class was cut by DePaul last month. Advertisement His most recent book, Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History, is largely an attack on Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz's The Case for Israel. In his book, Finkelstein argues that Israel uses perceived anti-Semitism as a weapon to stifle criticism. Dershowitz, who threatened to sue Finkelstein's publisher for libel, urged DePaul officials to reject Finkelstein's tenure bid. Finkelstein said in the statement that he believes the tenure decision was tainted by external pressures, but praised the university's honorable role of providing a scholarly haven for me the past six years. The school denied that outside parties influenced the decision to deny Finkelstein tenure. The school's portion of the statement called Finkelstein a prolific scholar and an outstanding teacher. Finkelstein called that acknowledgment the most important part of the statement. I felt finally I had gotten what was my due and that maybe it was time, for everybody's sake, that I move on, he said at a news conference that followed a morning rally staged by students and faculty who carried signs and chanted stop the witch hunt. Finkelstein added: DePaul students rose to dazzling spiritual heights in my defense that should be the envy of and an example for every university in the United States. The professor would not discuss financial terms of the resignation agreement, which he said was confidential, but noted that it does not bar him from speaking out about issues that concern him, including the unfairness of the tenure process. He also said he does not know what he will do next, but came to realize before Wednesday that the atmosphere had become so poisoned that it was virtually impossible for me to carry on at DePaul. The least I could hope for is to leave DePaul with my head up high and my reputation intact. Dershowitz was critical of the school. DePaul looks like they caved into pressure, he said in a telephone interview. The idea of describing him as a scholar trades truth for convenience. He's a man who is a propagandist and is not a scholar. Still, Dershowitz said, I'm happy he's out of academia. Let him do his ranting on street corners. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070907/d5995de9/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Who owns you World
We are even worse in Australia- we are a nation which longs to be Americans, but can't quite pull it off. We live their culture vicariously throught the tellie and movies. America may be the last original culture on earth, as all others strive to be like them. Hey Mike and Josh, good news for both of you! There is still a bunch of real Bavarians und as i know for shure a lot of Quebecers who resist the trend of americanism! Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/71a1107e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World
eh Ken, thats simply the language of resistance! Fritz - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Grüaßdi Fritzl, Jawoi, Bua! Leida heitztaag denga in d oid Hoamatl vuizvui Leit wia d Saupreiß. Göid und no Göid. Jamei Bua, so a Schmarrn! Pfüatdi Whoa! That ain't the German I learnt in college! -K -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/a9470bdd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/532201ff/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid...
Hey Doug, I'm afraid of only one thing, humanity will never learn lessons from the past Fritz - Original Message - From: doug swanson To: Biofuel List Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid... The following is my attempt at a chain letter sort of email. Feel free to add to this incomplete list of things not to be afraid of. Pass it on to someone if you think it's worth the while. Or flame me if you think I'm being unpatriotic for not maintaining a patriotic sense of fear. Maybe I'll get it back one day. Or not.- - doug I'm tired of being afraid. Fear paralyzes. I'm over it. I'm taking my personal power back from those who peddle fear. I'm not afraid of the media's stories. I'm not afraid of terrorists. I'm not afraid of conspirators. I'm not afraid of peak oil. I'm not afraid of poisons in the food. I'm not afraid of poisons in the air. I'm not afraid of poisons in the water. I'm not afraid of weird diseases killing everyone. I'm not afraid of nuclear disasters. I'm not afraid of global warming. I'm not afraid of asteroids destroying earth. I'm not afraid of burning in hell. I'm not afraid of believing the wrong god. I can do something about some of those dangers. About those, I will do something. I'm not afraid that I can't do something about all of them. started Aug 14, 2007 -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's....
Hey Jeromie, whats wrong with kids running in the streets? @all, my daugther as prez of the CSU,kikked Marriott out of Concordiacampus,the had an exclusivecontract with the University and charged.$can 18.00 for a pitcher of water at a speakers event.A little to greedy i guess! After a short campaign of bad puplicity against Marriott,the gready bastards had to leave campus! This example shows,things can be done on small scale,but with the notorious complicity of mainstreammedia it is not so easy to tackle big buissnes! Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SVO congres sept 2007 + Trade fair nov 2007
Hello Bruno, thanks for that posting! when i look at a major sponsor of this event,Nova Gmbh,i cant help to think at NOVA,a Dinosponsored PR organizer,working so hard to deny global warming! I could be wrong and anyway its not important anymore! At this point i would like to see Keith in the ranks to get a first hand look at the merits of this congress,after all its him who worked so hard to get the biofuels known an in the rigth directions. My call is to everyone on this list to sponsor a trip for Keith to attend this congress,so we get a qualified feedback on this german brew.Its worth to me to pledge a couple hundred bucks to help pay,so Keith could attend the congress! Fritz - Original Message - From: Bruno M. To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: [Biofuel] SVO congres sept 2007 + Trade fair nov 2007 First International Congress on Plant Oil Fuels 6 + 7 September 2007 Erfurt Germany. www.pflanzenoel-kongress.de/ ( in German ) The same in English : www.pflanzenoel-kongress.de/index.php?lng=en And in November also in Germany (Munich): Oils+fats 2007 International Trade Fair for the Production and Processing of Oils and Fats made from Renewable Resources 20 - 22 November 2007 oils+fats is the only international B2B exhibition that focuses on the manufacture and processing of oils and fats. It presents the latest trends and information about recent technological developments, covering everything from raw and auxiliary materials to processing, quality assurance, packaging and logistics. As a result, it is the most important industry gathering for experts and decision-makers in the oils and fats industry. www.oils-and-fats.com/en/Home/cn/Glance ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] SVO congres
Hi Keith, thanks for putting me things in the rigth perspectiv,sometimes i am a hopeles dreamer,but you are all rigth with your views! Anyway them arrogant Dr.s and german industrials with all their titles would not pay attention to sombody who does not have profits in the aim! Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds!
Hello Dawie, there was once a town in old Germany,Schilda: the towncouncil desided to put the grass growing on top of the townwalls to good use and let the towns cow feed on it. So the good people strang the cow up to the top of the wall but the cow did not wanted to eat anymore grass Fritz - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds! I don't see cows being kept on rooftops. Cow-sized staircases would just consume too much space! But I do see small dairy operations within easy walking distance of city centres. Dawie LOL. Probably not cows. But a goat could. And chickens. Milk and eggs. They eat the scraps from the rooftop garden and turn it back into protein for the humans and fertilizer for the garden. We need to start seeing our roofs as something other than wasteland helping generate a heat island and view it as a land area that we could use for food and energy production. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House
Hi Mike all, i had a quick look at the Website of enertia,there are some very good aspects in their aproach,but i think this is a kind of overkill! We talking here of basically two Housshells wich are probably very costly and not ment for everybodys means! A significant aspect of full Woodhouses is not even mentionned in this website the ability of wood to even out differences of humidity and therefore act as a catalizer. Everone owns a Loghome would be able to tell that the Klimate in a Loghome is much more natural and better than in conventional built studdwallstructure with all kind of windbarriers and vaporbarriers! The only disadventage,Loghomes are very labourintensive and therefore expensive. I am working since a while on a constructionmethod with double Woodwalls insulated with natural fiber insulation,not using vaporbarriers at all,so the whole wall is considered as a full Logwall. This method is costefficient, easy to assemble for homebuyers and ecological,since the protection of the wood is mainly to constructiv means! My Modelhome should be up by the end of this summer! Fritz - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House http://enertia.com/Science/HowItWorks/tabid/68/Default.aspx Swiped from Digg ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House
Hi Kirk, sheetrock is known to make Livingaereas very dry as its absorbs lots of humidity from the air with the disadventage of creating mildue! Furniture absorb very little humidity in compare. Evaporativ cooling does not harm furnitures but is not suitible for drywallconstruction Fritz - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House sheetrock does absorb water as does furniture etc. I know because when I lived in the Coachella valley (Indio - Palm Springs) I used evaporative cooling until humid air moved north from the gulf. For the next couple of days the ac condensate line ran water as the house dried out and the ac didnt pull down fast. Then once dried ran normally. Kirk Fritz Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike all, i had a quick look at the Website of enertia,there are some very good aspects in their aproach,but i think this is a kind of overkill! We talking here of basically two Housshells wich are probably very costly and not ment for everybodys means! A significant aspect of full Woodhouses is not even mentionned in this website the ability of wood to even out differences of humidity and therefore act as a catalizer. Everone owns a Loghome would be able to tell that the Klimate in a Loghome is much more natural and better than in conventional built studdwallstructure with all kind of windbarriers and vaporbarriers! The only disadventage,Loghomes are very labourintensive and therefore expensive. I am working since a while on a constructionmethod with double Woodwalls insulated with natural fiber insulation,not using vaporbarriers at all,so the whole wall is considered as a full Logwall. This method is costefficient, easy to assemble for homebuyers and ecological,since the protection of the wood is mainly to constructiv means! My Modelhome should be up by the end of this summer! Fritz - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House http://enertia.com/Science/HowItWorks/tabid/68/Default.aspx Swiped from Digg ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Siafu, the ant scares the eleph ant
Hi Keith,and all members, i am very proud to anounce my daugthers magazine Siafu is finally on the web! www.siafu.ca Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel
Hi Keith, to my knowledge,anything belong to the public domaine kan not be patented.A simple dokumentet description of the process should be enough to dismiss any patentclaim! Fritz - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel I'd appreciate some opinions on this, if anyone would like to comment. Just to stir it up a bit, a somewhat ridiculous small company in Japan called Someya Shoten which feels it leads the world in matters biodiesel took out a patent on transesterification some years ago. So is Ben Gurion University infringing on Someya Shoten's patent? Or is the whole thing preposterous, since transesterification was invented/discovered about 150 years ago and is thoroughly in the public domain no matter who decides to patent it, and no matter which dumb patent office that doesn't check anything decides to grant the patent? Would the best advice to the Sahel group be to ignore it and just get on with it? Has anybody patented the human nose yet, or failing that, the air noses breathe? All best Keith I had this email from a group working with biodiesel in the Sahel. If it's true, it seems ridiculous to me. See: http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/ia.jsp?IA=IL2006000622REF=RSS (WO/2006/126206) PRODUCTION OF BIODIESEL FROM BALANITES AEGYPTIACA Best Keith Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:20:52 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel Dear Sirs, We are supporting NGO 's and cooperatives in Afrika, there is a big need to produce oil from all possible plants, nuts , seeds of any other vegetable origine , for human consumption or for producing energie. One of the NGO ' s in the Sahel-region helps the local population to organise the collecting of the fruits and nuts to improve their oil production from the nuts of the Balanites tree. The Balanites tree is very popular by the population , the fruits are sweet amere but the juice is used as a drink and sold to the town , the nuts are very hard and inside, the kernel contains 40 to 48% of oil. Sometimes the used as lamp-oil. The whole tree is very interesting for public health , on internet is a lot of information about that. The NGO will make the use as lamp-oil better by transesterification to obtain biodiesel that the should burn in small diesel cookingoven ,so that they don't have to use the wood , which is one of the biggest problem in this region. Further the don't have electricity , the have diesel generator , but the irrigularity in delivery and the high prices of gasoil makes it to difficult in using them all the time. The problem : There is a pattent on the invention to make biodiesel from BALANITES OIL .(WO/2006/126206) dated november 2006 by the BEN GORION UNIVERSITY Please can you inform us, Is it possible to take a patent on the transesterification process of oil to produce Biodiesel? Is this ALL Patent possible? Is this NEW and what is new on this invention? Is this not in contradiction with statements of many Organisations - World Wide - for the devellopment of POOR COUNTRIES , Thanks for your attention we remain with kind regards marc van de velde Leningstraat 19 2140 ANTWERP Belgium production and office in POLAND mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http
Re: [Biofuel] Earth Hour
Hi James, i suppose there is a certain point in this.The simultanious cutting off consumtion is a way off showing on great scale how many people are ready to cut back 1 hour of consumption! But if everyone continues afterwards with the regular consumption,the point is missed. Real reduction is needed and you get it in long term only trough rigorous chanche of behavior. Homeinsulation is a good thing to start on.Most houses (in Montreal by example) have such poor insulation,its a shame,Industrial Buildings next to no insulation,Windows,single pane,draghty like hell and the buildings with old steamboilers overheatet,because people are used to work in short sleeve shirts. This is reality,i see it every time i go down to Montreal,and nowbody cares about it, because heating is payed by the tenant! I am working since 40 years building higly efficient woodwindows and i have seen a lot of crappy stuff here in Canada . Fritz - Original Message - From: James Machin To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 6:25 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Earth Hour Hi all I forwarded the Earth Hour initiative to various local environmental groups and just received the following message back from one of them... James, Although as with the first power off campaign I think it is a great way to bring reality of climate change closer, nevertheless I still have concerns about power surges (and not personal equipment longevity or damage) and whether this is a totally wise thing to do over a huge area? I am mainly concerned about massive power surges if this is not staggered and the pressure on power plants especially if they are not in on the act and not prepared. This could potentially cause more problems than it is pretending to solve? I am holding back from promoting too widely because I have not thought through all possible outcomes, have you? Comments on this issue please? Best James ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] If It Weren't for Worms
Hello Robert, the Sawdust will help to aerate your compost,its important doe to turn the whole thing over once a while. For transplanting trees,my advice is,cut back at least 1/3 of the branches,better moore then not enough,the roots you miss since the transplantation have to be balanced by lesser foliage! Good gardening! Fritz - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] If It Weren't for Worms Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hi Robert, try to get some dry sawdust or shavings of wood (rip),this is composting very well. I can do this, as my father-in-law enjoys woodworking and always has a sawdust collection available. I had in Montreal a sawdustbin,wich was not tite on top,so a lot of rip and dust went over.Every once a while i cleaned the edge of the bin and past a toplayer of dry stuff,i always digged out very nice and well composted black earth ! And this on a gravel underground! There where no worms around,but fayrly moist. It's a good idea, and I'm going to try it. But I still believe that the anaerobic nature of my composting indicates I need more air in the process. We've had WEEKS of hard rain recently. I'm certain that the wind has driven some of that rain through the holes I'd drilled into the compost bin, and this resulted in soggy material that couldn't compost properly. Keep up good gardening, we here in the eastern are eager to start too Thanks, Fritz! I'd transplanted a tree a few weeks ago because the ground had FINALLY softened enough for me to dig. I broke my favorite shovel in the process, and I'm certain that I cut enough roots to kill the tree. Everything on our property is blossoming right now EXCEPT for this Japanese Maple . . . My fruit trees have more buds on them this year than I've ever seen before. It's exciting! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] If It Weren't for Worms
Hi Robert, try to get some dry sawdust or shavings of wood (rip),this is composting very well. I had in Montreal a sawdustbin,wich was not tite on top,so a lot of rip and dust went over.Every once a while i cleaned the edge of the bin and past a toplayer of dry stuff,i always digged out very nice and well composted black earth ! And this on a gravel underground! There where no worms around,but fayrly moist. Keep up good gardening, we here in the eastern are eager to start too Best, Fritz - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: [Biofuel] If It Weren't for Worms . . . I'd be a complete failure at composting! After doing some weeding this morning I thought I'd check my new compost bin. The 200 liter food grade plastic bin has multiple holes drilled into it for air circulation and a two piece lid that screws onto the top. (It's kind of like a canning jar, and the lid doubles as a bird bath after it rains!) When I tipped the bin over I felt very disheartened, as the open bottom of the composter had a plug of slimy muck that I had to dig through with a shovel in order to remove. The contents at the bottom of the bin simply REEKED. It's obviously too wet and there's not enough air getting inside. But thankfully, the bin is CRAWLING with big, fat worms. A lot of the material we've loaded into the composter has decomposed already, and while that's nice it isn't finished yet. I really wanted to get some fresh compost on my flower beds before things really began blooming around here, but the new bin is a big disappointment thus far. My youngest son has a pet bunny. Whenever he cleans out the bunny cage, he's been dumping its entire contents into the composter--sans bunny, of course. The newspaper he uses to line the bottom of the cage is often soaked with urine (and stinks!), and he doesn't want to touch it, so he's just put everything into the compost in the hope that it will go away. My wife has encouraged this, after reading an article on vermiculture in which newsprint is one of the recommended feed sources. Worms don't have teeth, though, and unless the paper is shredded, all it does is clog the composter and hold moisture that might otherwise evaporate. I cleaned out the mess, mixed the bin contents and added some dry material to absorb excess moisture. I think I may need to redesign the thing to promote aerobic decomposition. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 4 and moore crows
Hi Keith, the only and best way to solve your birdbroblem would be to cover the chickenaerea with a net or a wiremesh. I had a similar problem years ago with owls,wich made me realize (i love owls) that it was my choice to raise poultry and ducklings in a wooden aerea and i had to conceed to the rigth of the local birds of prey. Nevertheless covering your yard may be very costly,so a good compromise would be to restrickt the chickens to a smaller aerea and cage the place completly in. By the way,your response to my (or Busches) Crowtrap was in a way expected and i can not withold my high regards for your journalistic skills as per the quality of your research. Best regards Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
