RE: [svg-developers] Re: Shit, or get of the pot
Holger look up the word 'paranoia' in your dictionary and maybe also 'ranting', and maybe then welkerpaul makes sense... Barend anybrowserthatworksforme Köbben Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hqmlfn5/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1122978268/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Shit, or get of the pot
Barend Köbben schrieb: Holger look up the word 'paranoia' in your dictionary and maybe also 'ranting', and maybe then welkerpaul makes sense... Barend anybrowserthatworksforme Köbben ROFL :-) thanks for the tip. that helped a lot ! Holger thisisaquestion? Will Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hsp7e3o/M=362335.6886445.7839731.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1122983017/A=2894361/R=0/SIG=13jmebhbo/*http://www.networkforgood.org/topics/education/digitaldivide/?source=YAHOOcmpgn=GRPRTP=http://groups.yahoo.com/;In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide!/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Re: Detect native SVG support
Jonathan Watt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mark, You're quite right of course. This would be the *real* way to do it, and Mozilla happily returns true for both tests. BUG! It should not return true for either, as it has not implemented either, I'll raise a bug when I have some internet access... Opera doesn't support scripting of SVG (yet) I believe, so the test won't work for it, but as far as *script* testing goes this is definately the way to do it. Definately not, no user agent should be returning true for DOMImplementation tests unless they have actually implemented the specification - ie their implementation meets all the conformance requirements, since such a beast is unlikely to exist in our lifetimes, we should not bother testing for it, and UA's returning true prematurely has already made the tests useless as it will be no discriminator even if it does exist one day. As you've shown heuristic methods can be used, and these are much more useful as they can just test the features of the language that we actually use, it doesn't matter to me if you've not authored some feature if I don't actually use it. Cheers, Jim. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hts36l6/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1122992505/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Re: Re: Detect native SVG support
Jim, But as you know, the SVG spec defines a large number of possible values to test for with DOMImplementation, not just do you have SVG?. So ideally we should be able to test for the language features we want, without using hacks (sorry, I mean heuristic methods). Regards, Mark Mark Birbeck CEO x-port.net Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: +44 (0) 20 7689 9232 w: http://www.formsPlayer.com/ b: http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/ Download our XForms processor from http://www.formsPlayer.com/ -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Ley Sent: 02 August 2005 11:16 To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Re: Detect native SVG support Jonathan Watt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Mark, You're quite right of course. This would be the *real* way to do it, and Mozilla happily returns true for both tests. BUG! It should not return true for either, as it has not implemented either, I'll raise a bug when I have some internet access... Opera doesn't support scripting of SVG (yet) I believe, so the test won't work for it, but as far as *script* testing goes this is definately the way to do it. Definately not, no user agent should be returning true for DOMImplementation tests unless they have actually implemented the specification - ie their implementation meets all the conformance requirements, since such a beast is unlikely to exist in our lifetimes, we should not bother testing for it, and UA's returning true prematurely has already made the tests useless as it will be no discriminator even if it does exist one day. As you've shown heuristic methods can be used, and these are much more useful as they can just test the features of the language that we actually use, it doesn't matter to me if you've not authored some feature if I don't actually use it. Cheers, Jim. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hts36l6/M=362131.6882499.7 825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1122992505 /A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font -- --~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hnlqpn3/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1122993646/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: important file
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RE: [svg-developers] Re: Shit, or get of the pot
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[svg-developers] Newbie SVG Developer
Hey all, I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it to generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG), possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images will be generated by a program i want to write which will interpret some data in a database. Basically i'm making schematics for a wiring diagram and i will have connector types saved in a database as well as to/from pin routings. From this data i want to generate the schematic using SVG. I'm proficient in C/C++ but i'm not sure where to begin. Is there an SVG SDK for C/C++ out there somewhere? Thanks for any suggestions, Chris Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hlnoic8/M=362329.6886308.7839368.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123003278/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Newbie SVG Developer
Chris Serio schrieb: Hey all, I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it to generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG), possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images will be generated by a program i want to write which will interpret some data in a database. Basically i'm making schematics for a wiring diagram and i will have connector types saved in a database as well as to/from pin routings. From this data i want to generate the schematic using SVG. I'm proficient in C/C++ but i'm not sure where to begin. Is there an SVG SDK for C/C++ out there somewhere? Thanks for any suggestions, Chris Hi Chris i dont know any c/c++ , but as svg is just plain simple xml, you should be able to build your svgs with any xml lib. for more advanced features including rendering, and rendering to pdf see: http://cairographics.org/introduction and http://cairographics.org/libsvg or if you could use Java, there is the Apache Batik project, which is the most complete open source SVG implementation. http://xml.apache.org/batik/ and if you are on Linux have a look at http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/ or if you plan to have a GUI , and want that to be portable, you migth as well think of building a XUL app, using mozilla svg. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/ http://www.xulplanet.com/ as i said i dont know c/c++ , hope it helps anyways Holger - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Basic SVG Template?
Hi Marge Again, so far I'm up to this...feedback still welcome: ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8 standalone=no? svg width=300 height=300 version=1.1 xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; xmlns:xlink=http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink; titleTitle/Title ...statements here... /svg === i would maybe use a default viewBox instead of default width and height, svg viewBox=0 0 300 300 version=1.1 xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; xmlns:xlink=http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink; cheers Holger Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hbjd3ao/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123005647/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Shit, or get of the pot
Maybe you mean, ENOUGH ??? Yes, I must admit SVG is making me a bit nuts...It's like the model train set I would put out at Christmas for my childen. It would go round, and round, and round: always on the same track. Fortunately it could be put away for a year. SVG has been going around the same track for about 3 years with no destination in site. Francis Bob Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ENOUGH !!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h9vaogm/M=362329.6886308.7839368.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123006390/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Basic SVG Template?
Marjorie Roswell schrieb: I wasn't clear: I meant change the documentation. (How much documentation out there is telling people that they have to use a DTD for working with SVG!.) I realized the page I referred to is a wiki. So someone who's got a login there could edit that page. http://wiki.mozilla.org/SVG:Namespace you could get a login , too. if you dont want that, i could change the page. should the whole paragraph be deleted, or should just the wording be changed ? i'd prefere the later. somthing like: declaring a correct DOCTYPE for .svg files is *not* important but, instances have been... what do you think ? On 8/2/05, Mark Birbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI, It's kind of annoying that this: http://wiki.mozilla.org/SVG:Namespace Says to add a doctype, but the general feeling of this group is that there is no need to add the doctype, and that in fact, it gets you into trouble with Firefox to do so. Can anyone work with mozilla.org to have them change that? I think the thinking is to not use DTDs, rather than to 'fix' Mozilla. Certainly from our point of view we would rather validate against XML schemas, and the location of those schemas is 'known' by the viewer. Regards, Mark Mark Birbeck CEO x-port.net Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: +44 (0) 20 7689 9232 w: http://www.formsPlayer.com/ b: http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/ Download our XForms processor from http://www.formsPlayer.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hon72jf/M=362335.6886445.7839731.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123006538/A=2894361/R=0/SIG=13jmebhbo/*http://www.networkforgood.org/topics/education/digitaldivide/?source=YAHOOcmpgn=GRPRTP=http://groups.yahoo.com/;In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide!/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Thanks for the info. I was hoping to find a high level API with basic functions built into it like DrawColoredRectangle (x,y,len,width,color) There's a very near deadline on this project so i'm trying to get a library with the most comprehensive API i can. Chris --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Holger Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Serio schrieb: Hey all, I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it to generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG), possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images will be generated by a program i want to write which will interpret some data in a database. Basically i'm making schematics for a wiring diagram and i will have connector types saved in a database as well as to/from pin routings. From this data i want to generate the schematic using SVG. I'm proficient in C/C++ but i'm not sure where to begin. Is there an SVG SDK for C/C++ out there somewhere? Thanks for any suggestions, Chris Hi Chris i dont know any c/c++ , but as svg is just plain simple xml, you should be able to build your svgs with any xml lib. for more advanced features including rendering, and rendering to pdf see: http://cairographics.org/introduction and http://cairographics.org/libsvg or if you could use Java, there is the Apache Batik project, which is the most complete open source SVG implementation. http://xml.apache.org/batik/ and if you are on Linux have a look at http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/ or if you plan to have a GUI , and want that to be portable, you migth as well think of building a XUL app, using mozilla svg. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/ http://www.xulplanet.com/ as i said i dont know c/c++ , hope it helps anyways Holger Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h4339tc/M=362329.6886308.7839368.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123008432/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Detect native SVG support
Mark Birbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But as you know, the SVG spec defines a large number of possible values to test for with DOMImplementation, not just do you have SVG?. So ideally we should be able to test for the language features we want, without using hacks (sorry, I mean heuristic methods). Right, so we agree that Mozilla SVG and SideWinder would be non-conformant and incorrect if they return true for http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/feature#SVG since they don't fulfill any of the sub ones. Do they fulfil any of the sub-ones, I believe not, because to claim that they do, they have to meet: ... the viewer can process and render successfully all of the language features ... Since they contain bugs and partial implementations, they should not claim any of the features. Of course this problem is common to the entire feature string concept across all languages, but that's just unfortunate that it ever became a specifcation. The HTML scripting world has shown how heuristic methods are extremely successful in dealing with different implementations, no-one uses the DOMImplementation interface, it's simply not acceptable due to the wild claims of some browsers (claiming support before there was only partial support) and the overly-prudent claims of others (claiming no-support when there was pretty good support) Cheers, Jim. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hlnqdd7/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123011190/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Chris, If I understand the app that you are describing, an API-like approach would be overkill. All you want to end up with is an SVG file that is passed to a renderer. Generating the SVG from some data source is the kind of thing SVG does without breaking a sweat. A simple architecture would be to get the data from the database into XML, and then run XSLT on it to get an SVG document. You could control that process with C++ of course -- or even better just stick it on a server and use Apache and Batik, or a similar combination (which will also make the PDF generation easier, too). But using C++ to step through a database and generate API calls is a lot more work (by an order of magnitude) than is needed here. Regards, Mark Mark Birbeck CEO x-port.net Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: +44 (0) 20 7689 9232 w: http://www.formsPlayer.com/ b: http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/ Download our XForms processor from http://www.formsPlayer.com/ -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Serio Sent: 02 August 2005 17:47 To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer Thanks for the info. I was hoping to find a high level API with basic functions built into it like DrawColoredRectangle (x,y,len,width,color) There's a very near deadline on this project so i'm trying to get a library with the most comprehensive API i can. Chris --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Holger Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Serio schrieb: Hey all, I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it to generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG), possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images will be generated by a program i want to write which will interpret some data in a database. Basically i'm making schematics for a wiring diagram and i will have connector types saved in a database as well as to/from pin routings. From this data i want to generate the schematic using SVG. I'm proficient in C/C++ but i'm not sure where to begin. Is there an SVG SDK for C/C++ out there somewhere? Thanks for any suggestions, Chris Hi Chris i dont know any c/c++ , but as svg is just plain simple xml, you should be able to build your svgs with any xml lib. for more advanced features including rendering, and rendering to pdf see: http://cairographics.org/introduction and http://cairographics.org/libsvg or if you could use Java, there is the Apache Batik project, which is the most complete open source SVG implementation. http://xml.apache.org/batik/ and if you are on Linux have a look at http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/ or if you plan to have a GUI , and want that to be portable, you migth as well think of building a XUL app, using mozilla svg. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/ http://www.xulplanet.com/ as i said i dont know c/c++ , hope it helps anyways Holger Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h4339tc/M=362329.6886308.7 839368.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123008432 /A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?p age_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font -- --~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h6sb1c4/M=362329.6886308.7839368.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123011205/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
What sort of c/c++ environment are you using? One option would be to find something like 'kode' (part of debian linux, I believe) that would generate c++ classes or templates from the RelaxNG schema for svg. Those classes could then be used to generate SVG objects. If you are in the .NET environment, you might want to consider using ADO.NET to get your database objects as XML, and then using XSLT to transform them into SVG. Really fairly flexible and elegant, if you can deal with XSLT. ~Bill -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Serio Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer Thanks for the info. I was hoping to find a high level API with basic functions built into it like DrawColoredRectangle (x,y,len,width,color) There's a very near deadline on this project so i'm trying to get a library with the most comprehensive API i can. Chris --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Holger Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Serio schrieb: Hey all, I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it to generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG), possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images will be generated by a program i want to write which will interpret some data in a database. Basically i'm making schematics for a wiring diagram and i will have connector types saved in a database as well as to/from pin routings. From this data i want to generate the schematic using SVG. I'm proficient in C/C++ but i'm not sure where to begin. Is there an SVG SDK for C/C++ out there somewhere? Thanks for any suggestions, Chris Hi Chris i dont know any c/c++ , but as svg is just plain simple xml, you should be able to build your svgs with any xml lib. for more advanced features including rendering, and rendering to pdf see: http://cairographics.org/introduction and http://cairographics.org/libsvg or if you could use Java, there is the Apache Batik project, which is the most complete open source SVG implementation. http://xml.apache.org/batik/ and if you are on Linux have a look at http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/ or if you plan to have a GUI , and want that to be portable, you migth as well think of building a XUL app, using mozilla svg. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/ http://www.xulplanet.com/ as i said i dont know c/c++ , hope it helps anyways Holger - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h0tjtvp/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123011700/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Hi, I had sent a message 90 minutes ago, but used a wrong mail address so it probably got rejected... I'll just copy it here. One note: Mark might be right about database+xslt+whatever being simpler (I haven't used xslt yet), but as a proficient C/C++ programmer who is used to working with flat ascii files, this might get you to the point in a shorter time, because you don't have to learn a new concept. If you knew you had to work on the project for the next 4 years, my suggestion is xslt/whatever, for a project in a very short time, it's C++. And now the old message: Hello Chris, I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it to generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG), possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images will be generated by a program i want to write which will interpret some data in a database. My first suggestion is to check if Visio really can open all of SVG. SVG is a really complex thing, so if you take one program that outputs SVG, I don't think another program that inputs SVG can necessarily understand everything correctly. Basically i'm making schematics for a wiring diagram and i will have connector types saved in a database as well as to/from pin routings. From this data i want to generate the schematic using SVG. I'm proficient in C/C++ but i'm not sure where to begin. Is there an SVG SDK for C/C++ out there somewhere? I'm a C/C++ programmer too, and if I had to do such a thing today, I would probable just output text files from my program. That way you can control what's in the SVG and that Visio will understand it. An XML library might be of help, but it shouldn't even be necessary. I think I'd chose fprintf(). My suggestion would be to read a book about SVG and then use it like an operating systems drawing functions. Lines and rects are no problem at all, transformations and scaling is easy if you extensively used a graphics lib before. Reusing parts of the graphic with defs / and use / will come in quite handy. There are many more things that SVG can do but you will probably not need them. Just two cents from an advanced SVG beginner. Raoul Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hi56ecp/M=362335.6886445.7839731.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123012104/A=2894361/R=0/SIG=13jmebhbo/*http://www.networkforgood.org/topics/education/digitaldivide/?source=YAHOOcmpgn=GRPRTP=http://groups.yahoo.com/;In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide!/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Re: Detect native SVG support
Jim, Sidewinder wouldn't be conformant or non-conformant. We just pass a call to the methods on a DOMImplementation to the implementations that we've instantiated to create that implementation. In the case of an object that 'supports' SVG it would most likely be ASV (although it would depend on the user's machine). So whether ASV (or whatever SVG plug-in is in use) is non-conformant for claiming to support whatever feature strings it claims to support, is something that I couldn't answer. As to adding more and more hacks, no one doubts that you can keep adding another line of script to test for yet another permutation. But as the world of compound documents gets closer, don't you think that there needs to be a generic solution that allows for testing not just for SVG, but for MathML, XForms and so on? I recognise your criticisms of DOMImplementation, but at some point we do need it to work...or rather it needs to be made to work. All the best, Mark Mark Birbeck CEO x-port.net Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: +44 (0) 20 7689 9232 w: http://www.formsPlayer.com/ b: http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/ Download our XForms processor from http://www.formsPlayer.com/ -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Ley Sent: 02 August 2005 18:30 To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Detect native SVG support Mark Birbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But as you know, the SVG spec defines a large number of possible values to test for with DOMImplementation, not just do you have SVG?. So ideally we should be able to test for the language features we want, without using hacks (sorry, I mean heuristic methods). Right, so we agree that Mozilla SVG and SideWinder would be non-conformant and incorrect if they return true for http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/feature#SVG since they don't fulfill any of the sub ones. Do they fulfil any of the sub-ones, I believe not, because to claim that they do, they have to meet: ... the viewer can process and render successfully all of the language features ... Since they contain bugs and partial implementations, they should not claim any of the features. Of course this problem is common to the entire feature string concept across all languages, but that's just unfortunate that it ever became a specifcation. The HTML scripting world has shown how heuristic methods are extremely successful in dealing with different implementations, no-one uses the DOMImplementation interface, it's simply not acceptable due to the wild claims of some browsers (claiming support before there was only partial support) and the overly-prudent claims of others (claiming no-support when there was pretty good support) Cheers, Jim. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hlnqdd7/M=362131.6882499.7 825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123011190 /A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font -- --~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hjjv13p/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123012785/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Hi Raoul, One note: Mark might be right about database+xslt+whatever being simpler (I haven't used xslt yet), but as a proficient C/C++ programmer who is used to working with flat ascii files, this might get you to the point in a shorter time, because you don't have to learn a new concept. If you knew you had to work on the project for the next 4 years, my suggestion is xslt/whatever, for a project in a very short time, it's C++. I still think XML+XSLT-SVG is way ahead of C++ for this type of application (and I'm assuming a great deal about what Chris is trying to do, so I could be way off). formsPlayer and Sidewinder are entirely written in C++, so it's certainly our language of choice. But my guess is that in an application like this you'd spend most of your time just manipulating a DOM. Sure you can do that in C++, but why bother? There must be better things to do with our time! Regards, Mark Mark Birbeck CEO x-port.net Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] t: +44 (0) 20 7689 9232 w: http://www.formsPlayer.com/ b: http://internet-apps.blogspot.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h97sfpt/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123013402/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Alot of good suggestions here guys but the bottom line is this... I'm very fluent in C/C++ so I'm more comfortable doing something overkill but fast than learning something new. I can't take the risk in investing my limited amount of time to learning something new unless i was sure that it would be a time saver. I'd prefer to stick with something that i can judge the required amount of effort with. Now some more about my projectAll i really want is a command line program that reads in a CSV excel file and spits out a SVG graphics file. It doesn't need to display it or anything. I plan on taking the SVG and opening it in Visio or converting it to a PDF or displaying it on a website. Very basic stuff. The kinds of things i need to draw are basic as well. It's all black and white with nothing more than lines, boxes and text. It's just a wiring schematic. I know visio can open this kind of stuff to view it. I realize that i can just spit out plain text with fprintf but to do so would require a pretty good knowledge of xml which i don't have. I know a lot of you right now are either laughing or offended that i chose to use XML with this project but i just figured that with the right API, i wouldn't need to learn much XML...I could just tell the API to export one of the primitives that i need and be done with it. If nothing like this exists than i guess i'm going to have to do some reading. Thanks, Chris --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, r_v_putten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I had sent a message 90 minutes ago, but used a wrong mail address so it probably got rejected... I'll just copy it here. One note: Mark might be right about database+xslt+whatever being simpler (I haven't used xslt yet), but as a proficient C/C++ programmer who is used to working with flat ascii files, this might get you to the point in a shorter time, because you don't have to learn a new concept. If you knew you had to work on the project for the next 4 years, my suggestion is xslt/whatever, for a project in a very short time, it's C++. And now the old message: Hello Chris, I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it to generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG), possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images will be generated by a program i want to write which will interpret some data in a database. My first suggestion is to check if Visio really can open all of SVG. SVG is a really complex thing, so if you take one program that outputs SVG, I don't think another program that inputs SVG can necessarily understand everything correctly. Basically i'm making schematics for a wiring diagram and i will have connector types saved in a database as well as to/from pin routings. From this data i want to generate the schematic using SVG. I'm proficient in C/C++ but i'm not sure where to begin. Is there an SVG SDK for C/C++ out there somewhere? I'm a C/C++ programmer too, and if I had to do such a thing today, I would probable just output text files from my program. That way you can control what's in the SVG and that Visio will understand it. An XML library might be of help, but it shouldn't even be necessary. I think I'd chose fprintf(). My suggestion would be to read a book about SVG and then use it like an operating systems drawing functions. Lines and rects are no problem at all, transformations and scaling is easy if you extensively used a graphics lib before. Reusing parts of the graphic with defs / and use / will come in quite handy. There are many more things that SVG can do but you will probably not need them. Just two cents from an advanced SVG beginner. Raoul Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h92nojk/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123014270/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Yeah i'd be using .NET. I'm not sure what XSLT is but i'm going to look into it right now...The database is pretty simple but the drawing needs to have some logic to it so that wires don't cross on the schematic etc. The database will just be a from-connector #, from-pin #, to- connector #, to-pin # and some wire gauge/type for each. Chris --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, William McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What sort of c/c++ environment are you using? One option would be to find something like 'kode' (part of debian linux, I believe) that would generate c++ classes or templates from the RelaxNG schema for svg. Those classes could then be used to generate SVG objects. If you are in the .NET environment, you might want to consider using ADO.NET to get your database objects as XML, and then using XSLT to transform them into SVG. Really fairly flexible and elegant, if you can deal with XSLT. ~Bill -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Serio Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer Thanks for the info. I was hoping to find a high level API with basic functions built into it like DrawColoredRectangle (x,y,len,width,color) There's a very near deadline on this project so i'm trying to get a library with the most comprehensive API i can. Chris --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Holger Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Serio schrieb: Hey all, I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it to generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG), possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images will be generated by a program i want to write which will interpret some data in a database. Basically i'm making schematics for a wiring diagram and i will have connector types saved in a database as well as to/from pin routings. From this data i want to generate the schematic using SVG. I'm proficient in C/C++ but i'm not sure where to begin. Is there an SVG SDK for C/C++ out there somewhere? Thanks for any suggestions, Chris Hi Chris i dont know any c/c++ , but as svg is just plain simple xml, you should be able to build your svgs with any xml lib. for more advanced features including rendering, and rendering to pdf see: http://cairographics.org/introduction and http://cairographics.org/libsvg or if you could use Java, there is the Apache Batik project, which is the most complete open source SVG implementation. http://xml.apache.org/batik/ and if you are on Linux have a look at http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/ or if you plan to have a GUI , and want that to be portable, you migth as well think of building a XUL app, using mozilla svg. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/ http://www.xulplanet.com/ as i said i dont know c/c++ , hope it helps anyways Holger - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hob1gba/M=362335.6886445.7839731.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123014910/A=2894361/R=0/SIG=13jmebhbo/*http://www.networkforgood.org/topics/education/digitaldivide/?source=YAHOOcmpgn=GRPRTP=http://groups.yahoo.com/;In low income neighborhoods, 84% do not own computers. At Network for Good, help bridge the Digital Divide!/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Building complex logic in XSLT is very hard to do. Some if else is possible but not recursion for example sometimes needed for complex algorithms. John --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Chris Serio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah i'd be using .NET. I'm not sure what XSLT is but i'm going to look into it right now...The database is pretty simple but the drawing needs to have some logic to it so that wires don't cross on the schematic etc. The database will just be a from-connector #, from-pin #, to- connector #, to-pin # and some wire gauge/type for each. Chris --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, William McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What sort of c/c++ environment are you using? One option would be to find something like 'kode' (part of debian linux, I believe) that would generate c++ classes or templates from the RelaxNG schema for svg. Those classes could then be used to generate SVG objects. If you are in the .NET environment, you might want to consider using ADO.NET to get your database objects as XML, and then using XSLT to transform them into SVG. Really fairly flexible and elegant, if you can deal with XSLT. ~Bill -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Serio Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer Thanks for the info. I was hoping to find a high level API with basic functions built into it like DrawColoredRectangle (x,y,len,width,color) There's a very near deadline on this project so i'm trying to get a library with the most comprehensive API i can. Chris --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Holger Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris Serio schrieb: Hey all, I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it to generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG), possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images will be generated by a program i want to write which will interpret some data in a database. Basically i'm making schematics for a wiring diagram and i will have connector types saved in a database as well as to/from pin routings. From this data i want to generate the schematic using SVG. I'm proficient in C/C++ but i'm not sure where to begin. Is there an SVG SDK for C/C++ out there somewhere? Thanks for any suggestions, Chris Hi Chris i dont know any c/c++ , but as svg is just plain simple xml, you should be able to build your svgs with any xml lib. for more advanced features including rendering, and rendering to pdf see: http://cairographics.org/introduction and http://cairographics.org/libsvg or if you could use Java, there is the Apache Batik project, which is the most complete open source SVG implementation. http://xml.apache.org/batik/ and if you are on Linux have a look at http://librsvg.sourceforge.net/ or if you plan to have a GUI , and want that to be portable, you migth as well think of building a XUL app, using mozilla svg. http://www.mozilla.org/projects/svg/ http://www.xulplanet.com/ as i said i dont know c/c++ , hope it helps anyways Holger - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12heet4gu/M=362329.6886308.7839368.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123016972/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: slider for Firefox native SVG (that still runs in ASV3)
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Holger Will [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: could you or anyone else check out the examples from this article ? http://blog.treebuilder.de/pivot/entry.php?id=10#body tested with OSX 10.4.2, ASV3, Safari works: yes/no example1: yes example2: no example3: yes same for camino 0.9a2, firefox 1.0.6 and: Deer Park nightly (20050802) native - while in the above browser-plugin combinations the black circle of example2 doesn't react to the mouse at all, in the current built of Deer Park for OSX the example2 circle becomes invisible upon mousemovements and doesn't return until reload. Michael Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h5f54pp/M=362329.6886308.7839368.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123017480/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Re: Detect native SVG support
Mark Birbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sidewinder wouldn't be conformant or non-conformant. We just pass a call to the methods on a DOMImplementation to the implementations that we've instantiated to create that implementation. I would still call SideWinder non-conformant,if its underlying implementation was non-conformant, just like I call IE non-HTTP conformant when it's simply using an underlying HTTP implementation, and of course it certainly wouldn't be your fault, you're absolutely right to be re-using components. But as the world of compound documents gets closer, don't you think that there needs to be a generic solution that allows for testing not just for SVG, but for MathML, XForms and so on? Absolutely, but DOMImplementation is not it, I'm not sure what it would look like, indeed I've tried thinking of something before, as the criticisms of DOM Implementation are not new, but I've never come up with anything, 'nor heard of anything. Cheers, Jim. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hknqmbu/M=362329.6886308.7839368.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123017729/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Actually, you can do recursion, but overall I would agree that if you want
to use some sort of layout logic XSLT is going to be a PITA at best. One
half-hearted suggestion: if you're a really experience c++ programmer,
rolling a quick command-line java program wouldn't be all that figure out,
and you could use the batik library to do it. The code at the end is a very
simple example from the batik site (http://xml.apache.org/batik) that
generates a rectangle. Other than getting the java sdk and a build
environment like ant, you could be up and running in minutes.
If you can't stand the java, I don't know of anything like this that exists
for c++. Since you seem to only need a very few primitives, I would
recommend simply creating a small utility class that carries around either a
System.Xml.XmlDocument or a StringBuilder class and has a few methods to
create the primitives you need.
/// Sample Batik Code /
import java.awt.Rectangle;
import java.awt.Graphics2D;
import java.awt.Color;
import java.io.Writer;
import java.io.OutputStreamWriter;
import java.io.IOException;
import org.apache.batik.svggen.SVGGraphics2D;
import org.apache.batik.dom.GenericDOMImplementation;
import org.w3c.dom.Document;
import org.w3c.dom.DOMImplementation;
public class TestSVGGen {
public void paint(Graphics2D g2d) {
g2d.setPaint(Color.red);
g2d.fill(new Rectangle(10, 10, 100, 100));
}
public static void main(String [] args) throws IOException {
// Get a DOMImplementation
DOMImplementation domImpl =
GenericDOMImplementation.getDOMImplementation();
// Create an instance of org.w3c.dom.Document
Document document = domImpl.createDocument(null, svg, null);
// Create an instance of the SVG Generator
SVGGraphics2D svgGenerator = new SVGGraphics2D(document);
// Ask the test to render into the SVG Graphics2D implementation
TestSVGGen test = new TestSVGGen();
test.paint(svgGenerator);
// Finally, stream out SVG to the standard output using UTF-8
// character to byte encoding
boolean useCSS = true; // we want to use CSS style attribute
Writer out = new OutputStreamWriter(System.out, UTF-8);
svgGenerator.stream(out, useCSS);
}
}
-Original Message-
From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of jophof007
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:09 PM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Building complex logic in XSLT is very hard to do. Some if else is
possible but not recursion for example sometimes needed for complex
algorithms.
John
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Chris Serio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yeah i'd be using .NET. I'm not sure what XSLT is but i'm going to
look into it right now...The database is pretty simple but the
drawing needs to have some logic to it so that wires don't cross on
the schematic etc.
The database will just be a from-connector #, from-pin #, to-
connector #, to-pin # and some wire gauge/type for each.
Chris
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, William McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
What sort of c/c++ environment are you using? One option would be
to find
something like 'kode' (part of debian linux, I believe) that would
generate
c++ classes or templates from the RelaxNG schema for svg. Those
classes
could then be used to generate SVG objects. If you are in the .NET
environment, you might want to consider using ADO.NET to get your
database
objects as XML, and then using XSLT to transform them into SVG.
Really
fairly flexible and elegant, if you can deal with XSLT.
~Bill
-Original Message-
From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:svg-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Chris Serio
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Thanks for the info. I was hoping to find a high level API with
basic
functions built into it like DrawColoredRectangle
(x,y,len,width,color)
There's a very near deadline on this project so i'm trying to get a
library with the most comprehensive API i can.
Chris
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Holger Will [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Chris Serio schrieb:
Hey all,
I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it
to
generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG),
possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images
will
be
generated by a program i want to write which will interpret
some
data
in a database.
Basically i'm making schematics for a wiring diagram and i will
have
connector types saved in a database as well as to/from pin
routings.
From this data i want to generate the schematic using SVG.
[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Hi,
The javascript engine have the same capabilities as C++ program
(despite I/O stuff) so you can make a program that runs in a viewer or
in your browser.
John
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, William McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Actually, you can do recursion, but overall I would agree that if
you want
to use some sort of layout logic XSLT is going to be a PITA at best.
One
half-hearted suggestion: if you're a really experience c++ programmer,
rolling a quick command-line java program wouldn't be all that
figure out,
and you could use the batik library to do it. The code at the end
is a very
simple example from the batik site (http://xml.apache.org/batik) that
generates a rectangle. Other than getting the java sdk and a build
environment like ant, you could be up and running in minutes.
If you can't stand the java, I don't know of anything like this that
exists
for c++. Since you seem to only need a very few primitives, I would
recommend simply creating a small utility class that carries around
either a
System.Xml.XmlDocument or a StringBuilder class and has a few methods to
create the primitives you need.
/// Sample Batik Code /
import java.awt.Rectangle;
import java.awt.Graphics2D;
import java.awt.Color;
import java.io.Writer;
import java.io.OutputStreamWriter;
import java.io.IOException;
import org.apache.batik.svggen.SVGGraphics2D;
import org.apache.batik.dom.GenericDOMImplementation;
import org.w3c.dom.Document;
import org.w3c.dom.DOMImplementation;
public class TestSVGGen {
public void paint(Graphics2D g2d) {
g2d.setPaint(Color.red);
g2d.fill(new Rectangle(10, 10, 100, 100));
}
public static void main(String [] args) throws IOException {
// Get a DOMImplementation
DOMImplementation domImpl =
GenericDOMImplementation.getDOMImplementation();
// Create an instance of org.w3c.dom.Document
Document document = domImpl.createDocument(null, svg, null);
// Create an instance of the SVG Generator
SVGGraphics2D svgGenerator = new SVGGraphics2D(document);
// Ask the test to render into the SVG Graphics2D implementation
TestSVGGen test = new TestSVGGen();
test.paint(svgGenerator);
// Finally, stream out SVG to the standard output using UTF-8
// character to byte encoding
boolean useCSS = true; // we want to use CSS style attribute
Writer out = new OutputStreamWriter(System.out, UTF-8);
svgGenerator.stream(out, useCSS);
}
}
-Original Message-
From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of jophof007
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:09 PM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Building complex logic in XSLT is very hard to do. Some if else is
possible but not recursion for example sometimes needed for complex
algorithms.
John
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Chris Serio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Yeah i'd be using .NET. I'm not sure what XSLT is but i'm going to
look into it right now...The database is pretty simple but the
drawing needs to have some logic to it so that wires don't cross on
the schematic etc.
The database will just be a from-connector #, from-pin #, to-
connector #, to-pin # and some wire gauge/type for each.
Chris
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, William McKenzie [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
wrote:
What sort of c/c++ environment are you using? One option would be
to find
something like 'kode' (part of debian linux, I believe) that would
generate
c++ classes or templates from the RelaxNG schema for svg. Those
classes
could then be used to generate SVG objects. If you are in the .NET
environment, you might want to consider using ADO.NET to get your
database
objects as XML, and then using XSLT to transform them into SVG.
Really
fairly flexible and elegant, if you can deal with XSLT.
~Bill
-Original Message-
From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:svg-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Chris Serio
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:47 AM
To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Thanks for the info. I was hoping to find a high level API with
basic
functions built into it like DrawColoredRectangle
(x,y,len,width,color)
There's a very near deadline on this project so i'm trying to get a
library with the most comprehensive API i can.
Chris
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Holger Will [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Chris Serio schrieb:
Hey all,
I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it
to
generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG),
possibly
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Detect native SVG support
* Mark Birbeck wrote: As to adding more and more hacks, no one doubts that you can keep adding another line of script to test for yet another permutation. But as the world of compound documents gets closer, don't you think that there needs to be a generic solution that allows for testing not just for SVG, but for MathML, XForms and so on? I recognise your criticisms of DOMImplementation, but at some point we do need it to work...or rather it needs to be made to work. I certainly agree. Such facilities aren't cheap though, you need * Very clear well-defined conformance requirements * Extensive test suites for these facilities * Strong commitment to 100% compliance * Strong and reliable means to enforce compliance At the moment, for SVG feature strings, we don't have any of that. In fact, it's probably worse, there are still many authors who do not care at all even about most basic conformance requirements like using well- formed XML; many authors still think We usually find checking with [IE, Opera and Firefox] is enough for our work. If we can't convince authors to ensure their content is conforming, there is little hope to convince implementers to code correctly. -- Björn Höhrmann · mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] · http://bjoern.hoehrmann.de Weinh. Str. 22 · Telefon: +49(0)621/4309674 · http://www.bjoernsworld.de 68309 Mannheim · PGP Pub. KeyID: 0xA4357E78 · http://www.websitedev.de/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hiiuhpk/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123020714/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Hi Chris, If my memory serves me correctly Visio should be able to handle most SVG elements with minor exceptions. Let me point you to the article Richard See wrote about Visio's support of SVG at the SVG Open 2003. http://www.svgopen.org/2003/papers/SVG_Scenarios_using_Microsoft_Office_Visio_2003/ Another word to the wise. I was one of the QA on this project and there are tricks to the round trip capabilities of Visio that you can play off of if you are familiar with XML Namespaces. Try creating a diagram with your connections in Visio, then save as svg. When you look at the output SVG document you will notice a whole bunch of extra attributes and data under a microsoft namespace. These of course are trivial to remove with an XSLT. However, you could take cues from these knowing that they were put in such that a visio document could be round-tripped. The round tripping feature of Visio works quite well. One of the few things you will not get from a round trip is equations (if I remember correctly - it was about 3 years ago now). Anyways, check out that paper and give me a shout if you have any problems. Cheers, Alastair http://spark.sourceforge.net --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Chris Serio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it to generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG), possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images will be generated by a program i want to write which will interpret some data in a database. Basically i'm making schematics for a wiring diagram and i will have connector types saved in a database as well as to/from pin routings. From this data i want to generate the schematic using SVG. I'm proficient in C/C++ but i'm not sure where to begin. Is there an SVG SDK for C/C++ out there somewhere? Thanks for any suggestions, Chris Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hd5ajtd/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123020837/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Hi Chris, Just a followup. I read your most recent posts just a few minutes ago *after* posting the message below. Sorry about that - should have read back a bit. Personally, I generate SVG using the MSXML DOM in VC++ 6.0. I created my own C++ based SVG API for generating my output. If you're using .Net it would be trivial to use the DOM methods to create elements, add attributes and append elements to others. I doubt XSLT is the right solution (though I do love using XSLT for everything). Just my two cents. Cheers, Alastair --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Alastair Fettes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, If my memory serves me correctly Visio should be able to handle most SVG elements with minor exceptions. Let me point you to the article Richard See wrote about Visio's support of SVG at the SVG Open 2003. http://www.svgopen.org/2003/papers/SVG_Scenarios_using_Microsoft_Office_Visio_2003/ Another word to the wise. I was one of the QA on this project and there are tricks to the round trip capabilities of Visio that you can play off of if you are familiar with XML Namespaces. Try creating a diagram with your connections in Visio, then save as svg. When you look at the output SVG document you will notice a whole bunch of extra attributes and data under a microsoft namespace. These of course are trivial to remove with an XSLT. However, you could take cues from these knowing that they were put in such that a visio document could be round-tripped. The round tripping feature of Visio works quite well. One of the few things you will not get from a round trip is equations (if I remember correctly - it was about 3 years ago now). Anyways, check out that paper and give me a shout if you have any problems. Cheers, Alastair http://spark.sourceforge.net --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Chris Serio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it to generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG), possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images will be generated by a program i want to write which will interpret some data in a database. Basically i'm making schematics for a wiring diagram and i will have connector types saved in a database as well as to/from pin routings. From this data i want to generate the schematic using SVG. I'm proficient in C/C++ but i'm not sure where to begin. Is there an SVG SDK for C/C++ out there somewhere? Thanks for any suggestions, Chris Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hee6oo7/M=362329.6886308.7839368.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123021949/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Newbie SVG Developer
Thanks again to everyone for your suggestions. I think MSXML DOM is going to be my solution but Java will be my backup. I did some Java programming before i learned C++ and it was fine but i'd like to stick with C++ if i can. Chris --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Alastair Fettes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, Just a followup. I read your most recent posts just a few minutes ago *after* posting the message below. Sorry about that - should have read back a bit. Personally, I generate SVG using the MSXML DOM in VC++ 6.0. I created my own C++ based SVG API for generating my output. If you're using .Net it would be trivial to use the DOM methods to create elements, add attributes and append elements to others. I doubt XSLT is the right solution (though I do love using XSLT for everything). Just my two cents. Cheers, Alastair --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Alastair Fettes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chris, If my memory serves me correctly Visio should be able to handle most SVG elements with minor exceptions. Let me point you to the article Richard See wrote about Visio's support of SVG at the SVG Open 2003. http://www.svgopen.org/2003/papers/SVG_Scenarios_using_Microsoft_Office_Visio_2003/ Another word to the wise. I was one of the QA on this project and there are tricks to the round trip capabilities of Visio that you can play off of if you are familiar with XML Namespaces. Try creating a diagram with your connections in Visio, then save as svg. When you look at the output SVG document you will notice a whole bunch of extra attributes and data under a microsoft namespace. These of course are trivial to remove with an XSLT. However, you could take cues from these knowing that they were put in such that a visio document could be round-tripped. The round tripping feature of Visio works quite well. One of the few things you will not get from a round trip is equations (if I remember correctly - it was about 3 years ago now). Anyways, check out that paper and give me a shout if you have any problems. Cheers, Alastair http://spark.sourceforge.net --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Chris Serio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I'm new to SVG. I've never used it before but i want to use it to generate images that can be used in Visio (which can open SVG), possibly convert to PDF and also view on the web. The images will be generated by a program i want to write which will interpret some data in a database. Basically i'm making schematics for a wiring diagram and i will have connector types saved in a database as well as to/from pin routings. From this data i want to generate the schematic using SVG. I'm proficient in C/C++ but i'm not sure where to begin. Is there an SVG SDK for C/C++ out there somewhere? Thanks for any suggestions, Chris Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h7229li/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123026390/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Shucks, or get of the pot
Hi Doug It's always enough if you're modest;) Your *enough* was a decent one, thanks. Your advice about the purpose of this group is recognized. It seems like some people are looking for some clues about the realistic potential of the technology as well. At least if you want to do more than playing around with svg that might become quite important. Unfortunately this is the only relevant list if you're looking for some hints! Precocious platitudes and arrogant suggestions won't help much in that situation. It should look like that vectoreal is one of that major svg related entities? How about sharing some decent first-hand insights about svg's adoption progress? From my personal experience it was much easier to sell svg- related projects tree years ago than it is today. To my experience these days it's almost impossible to convince a customer telling him svg would be a safe bet. All the existing svg projects I've been involved are 100% asv3 dependent:-0 Did you realize that asv is partially broken in ie7b?? And none of our projects will do any good with firefox: impracticable slow and outrageous resource hungry, and in addition just not available at the customers desktop:(( Any thoughts? For those of you having enough, just skip this lengthy post and continue! Mean enough posts will get ignored anyways:) Ok, answered rantisch and sarcastic to Holger. Maybe it's because it's been a long time ago I'd to deal with a guy who actually thinks it's a good idea to have 'best viewed with browser x' statements again. Embarrassing that he won't get what's wrong with this kind of perception. Besides, I guess most of the divergence results in the fact that everyone likes to talk about his own svg. Some expect no more than a nifty defined xml namespace that renders usable vector graphics in a webbrowser. Others would like to see all kind of things besides and beyond of this. It looks like doing all the stuff at the same time didn't work out very well. In my opinion the webbrowser part of the roadmap is essentially lost unless adobe reanimates the thing. The firefox native implementation would need vast amounts of (re)work in order to become usable in terms of performance and machine resources demands, right? Nobody expects this overnight. Alternative plugins will face a troublesome long road; we know that things have changed concerning plugins today. $200K is worth nothing. But of course adobe isn't in charge to reanimate svg for the web. To me its somehow obvious that their engagement concerning vector webgraphics was just enough to hinder alternatives. They did have valid reasons since the vml w3c submission did have a reference implementation ready. And they didn't own flash as well. Nevertheless, one may notice that adobe would have the chance to tune into svg for the web any day? Given the complete market penetration or their maintained pdf reader products, adobe has the genuine power to distribute their svg viewer under the counter and all over the place. Btw, could someone kindly explain to me why the adobe reader still carries an updated asv6 within its binaries? I might be ignorant, but using svg in order to render a few floating controls in a fat reader client application looked like a fig leaf right from the start? Especially if you consider that pdf is far more powerful than svg. Beyond these mentioned oddities there's probably no reason to complain about adobe. Concerning svg it belongs to the standards committee to embrace a non trivial xml format for webgraphics without the solid commitment of the browser vendors. Who was asking for a boxed implementation anyways? The one and only specification should be adequate but doable for a browser vendor, right? That doesn't exactly sound like svg. Looking at svg beyond the web the affair is fairly easy. The file format does exist and there're there are plenty of different possibilities to emerge and to miss. Commonplace, the magic threshold value doesn't apply at the front. Talking about the next generation of vector aware os' and svg and back to the web: truism, it's a no-brainer for many reasons. Well, *enough*, let's go for dinner. Regards Paul --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Francis- It seems like what you are looking for is some kind of rotation animation? From what I can tell, this should fit your requirements: svg xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2000/svg' xmlns:xlink='http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink' path id='progress' d='M250,285 A100,100 0 1 1 251,285 z' fill='none' stroke='cornflowerblue' stroke-width='2'/ text font-size='22px' fill='crimson' text-anchor='middle'SVG animateMotion dur='12s' repeatCount='indefinite' rotate='auto' mpath xlink:href='#progress'/ /animateMotion /text /svg The text will go around in a circle indefinitely. Several people also recently posted train animations as well,
RE: [svg-developers] SVG Consortium to acquire ASV3/6 ?
Surely it wouldn't hurt to ask? Maybe one of the European Cartographic Institutes would be interested in sponsoring the consortium? Alan Keown -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: Wednesday, 3 August 2005 10:09 AM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com; svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [svg-developers] SVG Consortium to acquire ASV3/6 ? Not likely. I'm certain there are intellectual property interdependencies with other Adobe (and non-Adobe) technologies. There are plenty of other SVG viewer implementations to pilfer from... :) From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Francis Hemsher Sent: Tue 8/2/2005 8:04 PM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Subject: [svg-developers] SVG Consortium to acquire ASV3/6 ? You know, with the talent associated with this list, and a bit of financial backing, we could form a non-profit, make Adobe an offer they can't refuse, and move ahead with their Viewer. Come on...think about it, please? Francis - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership SPONSORED LINKS Format http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Formatw1=Formatw2=Dataw3=Svgw4=Comp uter+internetw5=W3cc=5s=63.sig=pwk9bsTG47SryYQd8oYMkg Data http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Dataw1=Formatw2=Dataw3=Svgw4=Comput er+internetw5=W3cc=5s=63.sig=Ybmv-NMr8B76MC8Re1fdyw Svg http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Svgw1=Formatw2=Dataw3=Svgw4=Compute r+internetw5=W3cc=5s=63.sig=11VNwM2AJiL3y3m8bHlMbw Computer http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Computer+internetw1=Formatw2=Dataw3= Svgw4=Computer+internetw5=W3cc=5s=63.sig=0A5G5gyBvu8oMs16cYR8RA internet W3c http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=W3cw1=Formatw2=Dataw3=Svgw4=Compute r+internetw5=W3cc=5s=63.sig=mcHOxevUaXqKuaXf6fpI7g _ YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group svg-developers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Terms of Service. _ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12h69abcv/M=362131.6882499.7825260.1510227/D=groups/S=1706030389:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123037310/A=2889191/R=0/SIG=10r90krvo/*http://www.thebeehive.org Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job) Welcome to the Sweet Life - brought to you by One Economy/a./font ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
