RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Rebecca Lineberger via Talk]

You might have to pay for it.  I can send you the keystrokes.

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Behalf Of Natalie via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:01 PM
To: Doug Geoffray; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Do you know if there is any braille backup for how to deal with JAWS?  
WindowEyes was really good with that.  I'd hate to have to braille all 
of the changes although guess I can.


Natalie


On 5/16/2017 11:16 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Karen,
>
> Currently we don't have any plans on removing the Window-Eyes offer for
users of Microsoft Office.  But if you want to be safe, you can certainly
just download the 9.5.4 version there now and tuck it away for a rainy day.
It can be used on as many machines as you need.
>
> So yes, just put it on a thumb drive and keep it in a safe place and use
it on as many machines as you need.
>
> Doug
>
> -Original Message-
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Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
>
> Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going
away, can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later
date?  I don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration
process in order for it to work.
>
> If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that?
>
> Karen Poulakos
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Re: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Natalie via Talk]

Do you know if there is any braille backup for how to deal with JAWS?  
WindowEyes was really good with that.  I'd hate to have to braille all 
of the changes although guess I can.



Natalie


On 5/16/2017 11:16 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:

Karen,

Currently we don't have any plans on removing the Window-Eyes offer for users 
of Microsoft Office.  But if you want to be safe, you can certainly just 
download the 9.5.4 version there now and tuck it away for a rainy day.  It can 
be used on as many machines as you need.

So yes, just put it on a thumb drive and keep it in a safe place and use it on 
as many machines as you need.

Doug

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On Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away, 
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I 
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in order 
for it to work.

If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that?

Karen Poulakos

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Re: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Hi Doug,

Just a  quick question: how well do Jaws commands work with a Microsoft 
feature called Sticky Keys? I am a lefthanded keyboard user, and these 
sticky keys act as if they are held down, allowing the user to press a 
combination keys without litterally having to hold down a key.  The 
sticky keys are, alt, control, windows & shift.  Thanks in advance.

Nick Sarames

On 5/16/2017 11:19 AM, Doug Geoffray via Talk wrote:
> Amanda,
> 
> Just to be clear, this is not true.  One copy of the Window-Eyes offer for 
> users of Microsoft office can be installed on as many machines as you need.
> 
> Doug
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
> On Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:04 PM
> To: 'Karen Poulakos' <ka...@poulakos.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> You will have to download Window-Eyes for Office as a new installation per 
> each computer you use because of how it authorizes per each computer.  I 
> could be incorrect though.  I'm sure someone will advise.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
> To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away, 
> can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I 
> don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in order 
> for it to work.
> 
> If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that?
> 
> Karen Poulakos
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RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Amanda,

Just to be clear, this is not true.  One copy of the Window-Eyes offer for 
users of Microsoft office can be installed on as many machines as you need.

Doug

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgeoffray=vfogroup@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:04 PM
To: 'Karen Poulakos' <ka...@poulakos.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

You will have to download Window-Eyes for Office as a new installation per each 
computer you use because of how it authorizes per each computer.  I could be 
incorrect though.  I'm sure someone will advise.

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[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away, 
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I 
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in order 
for it to work. 

If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that? 

Karen Poulakos

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RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Doug Geoffray via Talk]

Karen,

Currently we don't have any plans on removing the Window-Eyes offer for users 
of Microsoft Office.  But if you want to be safe, you can certainly just 
download the 9.5.4 version there now and tuck it away for a rainy day.  It can 
be used on as many machines as you need. 

So yes, just put it on a thumb drive and keep it in a safe place and use it on 
as many machines as you need.

Doug

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On Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away, 
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I 
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in order 
for it to work. 

If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that? 

Karen Poulakos

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Re: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Chris G via Talk]

Just download it once, save the file to another place and copy it to the 
computer you want to install it on.

The download isn't tied to your computer, Office is.



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 Original Message 
From: Amanda Lee via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:04 PM EST
To: 'Karen Poulakos'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

You will have to download Window-Eyes for Office as a new installation per
each computer you use because of how it authorizes per each computer.  I
could be incorrect though.  I'm sure someone will advise.

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From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away,
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in
order for it to work.

If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that?

Karen Poulakos

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RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Karen Poulakos via Talk]

Oops, I keep forgetting that I need to "reply all" for the reply to go to
the list.

My thought was to download it, and not install it, but save the file till I
need it.  I just can't remember if I need to  register it in order for it to
work, once it's installed.  If it's no longer supported, there won't be any
way of registering it.
 
 
 
  Karen P

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From: Amanda Lee [mailto:amandainparadise...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:04 PM
To: 'Karen Poulakos'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

You will have to download Window-Eyes for Office as a new installation per
each computer you use because of how it authorizes per each computer.  I
could be incorrect though.  I'm sure someone will advise.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away,
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in
order for it to work. 

If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that? 

Karen Poulakos

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RE: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Amanda Lee via Talk]

You will have to download Window-Eyes for Office as a new installation per
each computer you use because of how it authorizes per each computer.  I
could be incorrect though.  I'm sure someone will advise.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+amandainparadise777=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Karen Poulakos via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:28 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away,
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in
order for it to work. 

If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that? 

Karen Poulakos

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Question RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Karen Poulakos via Talk]

Here's a question:  I am using Window-eyes4Office.  If it too is going away,
can I save a copy for an installation on a new computer at a later date?  I
don't remember whether it needs to go through a registration process in
order for it to work. 

If so, can I put it on a thumb drive?  How would I go about doing that? 

Karen Poulakos

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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I can see the VFO group giving away jaws to window eyes users.  They get 
there money when you have to upgrade to a new version of jaws.


-Original Message- 
From: Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 8:21 AM
To: Brian Moore ; Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

Not only that but I have a hard time imagining FS giving away JFW for free
no matter what the circumstances.



Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Brian Moore via Talk

Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 1:45 AM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

Yeah, I saw this stuff on twitter too.  However, nothing on the vfo web
site.

Haven't been able to verify this from any credible source?

seems a bit suspect to me.



On 13/05/2017 3:40 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

...and yet another tweet from my tl. Take it how you want:

@mikelauf1: Some time next week, users of Window-Eyes will be given the
chance to upgrade to JFW 18 for free after filling out a form.

https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/863134385087926273

We's future looking really bright now, right?


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 11, 2017 10:22 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Hello all. I don't post much here, but I read a few messages here and 
there.



It's amazing how many differing messages there are on all of this and yet
most of them without actual facts. *smile*. Because VFO Group now is the
actual company, there is no more competition between Jaws and Window-Eyes,
no more competition between Magic and ZoomText, ETC. At least not in the
technical sense. It's all a part of one larger umbrela. I think many 
people

have a bad taste in their mouth because they are remembering the name
Freedom Scientific and what the company has done under certain leadership.
That doesn't make Jaws a bad product.  That's like when Coke changed their
formula a long time ago in a galaxy far away. Some liked it and some hated
it. Some will still remember that bad experience and still think of Coke
that way even though ti's been different for a very long time.


Instead of speculating, how about we wait and see what happens. This
constant back and forth does nothing but get people's anxiety up. As has
been said before, people will have choice. Whether those choices are ones
they would choose is anyone's guess.


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On 5/7/2017 2:17 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:


When Vince McMahon purchased world championship wrestling, he now lets
their showers be played on demand on the WWE network, but there are no 
more

W CW shows. I'm sure that current versions of Window-Eyes, will still be
allowed to be used, but it does not sound like they will continue to 
update

it, because, Freedom Scientific is the number one source in town, and so
there is no need for them to push another screen reader, especially if it
is their competition.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 7, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk <

talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

FS always saw Window-Eyes as a threat and I have a feeling that that
lawsuit
they filed against GWMicro was part of their stradigy to destroy
Window-Eyes. That lawsuit happened when FS was under Lee Hamilton. Then,
Lee Hamilton left in 2013, and John Blake took over and then, in 
November

of
2015, VFO formed with Optolec and Freedom Scientific.  And then, on June
14th, 2016, VFO bought AI Squared, and then, in August of that year, 
John

Blake moved back to upstate New York, with Tom Teerman as the new
president
and CEO, who is sighted but has family connections to blindness due to
glaucoma.  He did say in FSCast that he would probably get glaucoma
eventually.  So, Richard Chandler, Lee Hamilton, John Blake, were the
sighted presidents and CEO of Freedom Scientific, while Tom is sighted 
but

might eventually get Glaucoma.



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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Not only that but I have a hard time imagining FS giving away JFW for free 
no matter what the circumstances.




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-Original Message- 
From: Brian Moore via Talk

Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 1:45 AM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

Yeah, I saw this stuff on twitter too.  However, nothing on the vfo web
site.

Haven't been able to verify this from any credible source?

seems a bit suspect to me.



On 13/05/2017 3:40 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

...and yet another tweet from my tl. Take it how you want:

@mikelauf1: Some time next week, users of Window-Eyes will be given the
chance to upgrade to JFW 18 for free after filling out a form.

https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/863134385087926273

We's future looking really bright now, right?


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night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 11, 2017 10:22 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Hello all. I don't post much here, but I read a few messages here and 
there.



It's amazing how many differing messages there are on all of this and yet
most of them without actual facts. *smile*. Because VFO Group now is the
actual company, there is no more competition between Jaws and Window-Eyes,
no more competition between Magic and ZoomText, ETC. At least not in the
technical sense. It's all a part of one larger umbrela. I think many 
people

have a bad taste in their mouth because they are remembering the name
Freedom Scientific and what the company has done under certain leadership.
That doesn't make Jaws a bad product.  That's like when Coke changed their
formula a long time ago in a galaxy far away. Some liked it and some hated
it. Some will still remember that bad experience and still think of Coke
that way even though ti's been different for a very long time.


Instead of speculating, how about we wait and see what happens. This
constant back and forth does nothing but get people's anxiety up. As has
been said before, people will have choice. Whether those choices are ones
they would choose is anyone's guess.


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On 5/7/2017 2:17 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:


When Vince McMahon purchased world championship wrestling, he now lets
their showers be played on demand on the WWE network, but there are no 
more

W CW shows. I'm sure that current versions of Window-Eyes, will still be
allowed to be used, but it does not sound like they will continue to 
update

it, because, Freedom Scientific is the number one source in town, and so
there is no need for them to push another screen reader, especially if it
is their competition.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 7, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk <

talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

FS always saw Window-Eyes as a threat and I have a feeling that that
lawsuit
they filed against GWMicro was part of their stradigy to destroy
Window-Eyes. That lawsuit happened when FS was under Lee Hamilton. 
Then,
Lee Hamilton left in 2013, and John Blake took over and then, in 
November

of
2015, VFO formed with Optolec and Freedom Scientific.  And then, on June
14th, 2016, VFO bought AI Squared, and then, in August of that year, 
John

Blake moved back to upstate New York, with Tom Teerman as the new
president
and CEO, who is sighted but has family connections to blindness due to
glaucoma.  He did say in FSCast that he would probably get glaucoma
eventually.  So, Richard Chandler, Lee Hamilton, John Blake, were the
sighted presidents and CEO of Freedom Scientific, while Tom is sighted 
but

might eventually get Glaucoma.



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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Brian Moore via Talk]

Yeah, I saw this stuff on twitter too.  However, nothing on the vfo web 
site.


Haven't been able to verify this from any credible source?

seems a bit suspect to me.



On 13/05/2017 3:40 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk wrote:

...and yet another tweet from my tl. Take it how you want:

@mikelauf1: Some time next week, users of Window-Eyes will be given the
chance to upgrade to JFW 18 for free after filling out a form.

https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/863134385087926273

We's future looking really bright now, right?


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 11, 2017 10:22 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Hello all. I don't post much here, but I read a few messages here and there.


It's amazing how many differing messages there are on all of this and yet
most of them without actual facts. *smile*. Because VFO Group now is the
actual company, there is no more competition between Jaws and Window-Eyes,
no more competition between Magic and ZoomText, ETC. At least not in the
technical sense. It's all a part of one larger umbrela. I think many people
have a bad taste in their mouth because they are remembering the name
Freedom Scientific and what the company has done under certain leadership.
That doesn't make Jaws a bad product.  That's like when Coke changed their
formula a long time ago in a galaxy far away. Some liked it and some hated
it. Some will still remember that bad experience and still think of Coke
that way even though ti's been different for a very long time.


Instead of speculating, how about we wait and see what happens. This
constant back and forth does nothing but get people's anxiety up. As has
been said before, people will have choice. Whether those choices are ones
they would choose is anyone's guess.


--
Raul A. Gallegos
Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
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Thornburg



On 5/7/2017 2:17 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:


When Vince McMahon purchased world championship wrestling, he now lets
their showers be played on demand on the WWE network, but there are no more
W CW shows. I'm sure that current versions of Window-Eyes, will still be
allowed to be used, but it does not sound like they will continue to update
it, because, Freedom Scientific is the number one source in town, and so
there is no need for them to push another screen reader, especially if it
is their competition.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 7, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk <

talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

FS always saw Window-Eyes as a threat and I have a feeling that that
lawsuit
they filed against GWMicro was part of their stradigy to destroy
Window-Eyes. That lawsuit happened when FS was under Lee Hamilton.  Then,
Lee Hamilton left in 2013, and John Blake took over and then, in November
of
2015, VFO formed with Optolec and Freedom Scientific.  And then, on June
14th, 2016, VFO bought AI Squared, and then, in August of that year, John
Blake moved back to upstate New York, with Tom Teerman as the new
president
and CEO, who is sighted but has family connections to blindness due to
glaucoma.  He did say in FSCast that he would probably get glaucoma
eventually.  So, Richard Chandler, Lee Hamilton, John Blake, were the
sighted presidents and CEO of Freedom Scientific, while Tom is sighted but
might eventually get Glaucoma.



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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

...and yet another tweet from my tl. Take it how you want:

@mikelauf1: Some time next week, users of Window-Eyes will be given the
chance to upgrade to JFW 18 for free after filling out a form.

https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/863134385087926273

We's future looking really bright now, right?


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 11, 2017 10:22 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Hello all. I don't post much here, but I read a few messages here and there.


It's amazing how many differing messages there are on all of this and yet
most of them without actual facts. *smile*. Because VFO Group now is the
actual company, there is no more competition between Jaws and Window-Eyes,
no more competition between Magic and ZoomText, ETC. At least not in the
technical sense. It's all a part of one larger umbrela. I think many people
have a bad taste in their mouth because they are remembering the name
Freedom Scientific and what the company has done under certain leadership.
That doesn't make Jaws a bad product.  That's like when Coke changed their
formula a long time ago in a galaxy far away. Some liked it and some hated
it. Some will still remember that bad experience and still think of Coke
that way even though ti's been different for a very long time.


Instead of speculating, how about we wait and see what happens. This
constant back and forth does nothing but get people's anxiety up. As has
been said before, people will have choice. Whether those choices are ones
they would choose is anyone's guess.


--
Raul A. Gallegos
Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
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Work Email: train...@rgats.com
Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer

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Thornburg



On 5/7/2017 2:17 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

> When Vince McMahon purchased world championship wrestling, he now lets
> their showers be played on demand on the WWE network, but there are no more
> W CW shows. I'm sure that current versions of Window-Eyes, will still be
> allowed to be used, but it does not sound like they will continue to update
> it, because, Freedom Scientific is the number one source in town, and so
> there is no need for them to push another screen reader, especially if it
> is their competition.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 7, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk <
>> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>> FS always saw Window-Eyes as a threat and I have a feeling that that
>> lawsuit
>> they filed against GWMicro was part of their stradigy to destroy
>> Window-Eyes. That lawsuit happened when FS was under Lee Hamilton.  Then,
>> Lee Hamilton left in 2013, and John Blake took over and then, in November
>> of
>> 2015, VFO formed with Optolec and Freedom Scientific.  And then, on June
>> 14th, 2016, VFO bought AI Squared, and then, in August of that year, John
>> Blake moved back to upstate New York, with Tom Teerman as the new
>> president
>> and CEO, who is sighted but has family connections to blindness due to
>> glaucoma.  He did say in FSCast that he would probably get glaucoma
>> eventually.  So, Richard Chandler, Lee Hamilton, John Blake, were the
>> sighted presidents and CEO of Freedom Scientific, while Tom is sighted but
>> might eventually get Glaucoma.
>>
>>
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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

Hello all. I don't post much here, but I read a few messages here and there.


It's amazing how many differing messages there are on all of this and 
yet most of them without actual facts. *smile*. Because VFO Group now is 
the actual company, there is no more competition between Jaws and 
Window-Eyes, no more competition between Magic and ZoomText, ETC. At 
least not in the technical sense. It's all a part of one larger umbrela. 
I think many people have a bad taste in their mouth because they are 
remembering the name Freedom Scientific and what the company has done 
under certain leadership. That doesn't make Jaws a bad product.  That's 
like when Coke changed their formula a long time ago in a galaxy far 
away. Some liked it and some hated it. Some will still remember that bad 
experience and still think of Coke that way even though ti's been 
different for a very long time.



Instead of speculating, how about we wait and see what happens. This 
constant back and forth does nothing but get people's anxiety up. As has 
been said before, people will have choice. Whether those choices are 
ones they would choose is anyone's guess.



--
Raul A. Gallegos
Assistive Technology Trainer - RGA Tech Solutions
Voice and Text: 832.554.7285
Office: 832.639.4477
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Work Email: train...@rgats.com
Twitter: @rga7285 and @RGATrainer

“Any teacher that can be replaced with a computer, deserves to be.” - David 
Thornburg


On 5/7/2017 2:17 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

When Vince McMahon purchased world championship wrestling, he now lets their 
showers be played on demand on the WWE network, but there are no more W CW 
shows. I'm sure that current versions of Window-Eyes, will still be allowed to 
be used, but it does not sound like they will continue to update it, because, 
Freedom Scientific is the number one source in town, and so there is no need 
for them to push another screen reader, especially if it is their competition.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 7, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk  
wrote:

FS always saw Window-Eyes as a threat and I have a feeling that that lawsuit
they filed against GWMicro was part of their stradigy to destroy
Window-Eyes. That lawsuit happened when FS was under Lee Hamilton.  Then,
Lee Hamilton left in 2013, and John Blake took over and then, in November of
2015, VFO formed with Optolec and Freedom Scientific.  And then, on June
14th, 2016, VFO bought AI Squared, and then, in August of that year, John
Blake moved back to upstate New York, with Tom Teerman as the new president
and CEO, who is sighted but has family connections to blindness due to
glaucoma.  He did say in FSCast that he would probably get glaucoma
eventually.  So, Richard Chandler, Lee Hamilton, John Blake, were the
sighted presidents and CEO of Freedom Scientific, while Tom is sighted but
might eventually get Glaucoma.



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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Yes.  Had that contract gone through, Window-Eyes would have been at the
top.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:51 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

That is totally correct.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:20 PM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez' <geo...@optonline.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

GW Micro, Window-Eyes developer, had GSA--General Service Administration
contract--which ought to have guaranteed to it enough business for a long,
long time.  

But when agencies of government, both federal and state, chewed Jaws and
fell in love, Hinter-Joyce, later Freedom Scientific, just gobbled up
whatever was left of the GSA contracts.  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

That is totally correct.


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:20 PM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez' <geo...@optonline.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

GW Micro, Window-Eyes developer, had GSA--General Service Administration
contract--which ought to have guaranteed to it enough business for a long,
long time.  

But when agencies of government, both federal and state, chewed Jaws and
fell in love, Hinter-Joyce, later Freedom Scientific, just gobbled up
whatever was left of the GSA contracts.  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Yep.

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:24 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
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Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

So GWMicro did have a contract with the federal and state government?

-Original Message-
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Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:20 PM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

GW Micro, Window-Eyes developer, had GSA--General Service Administration 
contract--which ought to have guaranteed to it enough business for a long, long 
time.  

But when agencies of government, both federal and state, chewed Jaws and fell 
in love, Hinter-Joyce, later Freedom Scientific, just gobbled up whatever was 
left of the GSA contracts.  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

So GWMicro did have a contract with the federal and state government?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:20 PM
To: 'Pamela Dominguez'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

GW Micro, Window-Eyes developer, had GSA--General Service Administration
contract--which ought to have guaranteed to it enough business for a long,
long time.  

But when agencies of government, both federal and state, chewed Jaws and
fell in love, Hinter-Joyce, later Freedom Scientific, just gobbled up
whatever was left of the GSA contracts.  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado   


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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

GW Micro, Window-Eyes developer, had GSA--General Service Administration
contract--which ought to have guaranteed to it enough business for a long,
long time.  

But when agencies of government, both federal and state, chewed Jaws and
fell in love, Hinter-Joyce, later Freedom Scientific, just gobbled up
whatever was left of the GSA contracts.  

Sincerely,
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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Loy via Talk]

Yes, but the next release JAWS will power it instead of WE.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk 
  To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes


  That brings another interesting question up, will zoom text fusion still 
survive?

  Sent from my iPhone

  > On May 8, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
  > 
  > Yep, magic is a joke and fs always knew it was. Is vfo gonna come and take
  > we off your pc? No. Realistically, i wouldn't expect any meaningful updates
  > to we from here on out. Vfo bought ai2 for zoomtext straight up.  Actually
  > 'cause i'm bored i'm gonna give them a call and ask about my we version of
  > zt fusion.
  > 
  > "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
  > night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
  > 
  > Reeva
  > 
  > On May 8, 2017 10:16 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  > wrote:
  > 
  >> Zoomtext is defenatly superior to MAGic for sure!
  >> 
  >> -Original Message-
  >> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  >> Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
  >> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:03 AM
  >> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
  >> 
  >> That's because Zoom text is superior to magic, and everybody knows it.
  >> 
  >> Sent from my iPhone
  >> 
  >>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk
  >> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
  >>> 
  >>> The VFO group got ZoomText out of the deal.
  >>> 
  >>> -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk
  >>> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:08 PM
  >>> To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>> Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
  >>> 
  >>> Many times, a company will buy out another just to get its user base.
  >>> 
  >>> 
  >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
  >>> 
  >>> From: Loy via Talk
  >>> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:27 PM
  >>> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
  >>> 
  >>> My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
  >> product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
  >>> - Original Message -  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
  >>> To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
  >>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
  >>> 
  >>> 
  >>> If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
  >>> 
  >>> Sent from my iPhone
  >>> 
  >>>> On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  >> wrote:
  >>>> 
  >>>> GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The
  >> question
  >>>> then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
  >>>> the cash flow.
  >>>> 
  >>>> I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from
  >> the
  >>>> ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
  >>>> to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
  >>>> 
  >>>> I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
  >>>> unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
  >>>> it may not have been enough.
  >>>> 
  >>>> Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get
  >> much
  >>>> in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good
  >> about
  >>>> themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what
  >> has
  >>>> taken place.
  >>>> 
  >>>> I too wish it were different.
  >>>> 
  >>>> Grumpy Dave
  >>>> 
  >>>> 
  >>>> 
  >>>> --  > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
  >>>> 
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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

When JAWS is constantly  marketed to all the agencies, schools, and other 
markets as the number 1 product,   naturally  people will go for it. I say 
that, because I tried demos of window-eyes, and JAWS before I purchased my 
first screen reader,  which happened to be, you guessed it, JAWS. It came down 
for me at the time, to what did I know more. I was being taught JAWS at the 
school for the blind that I went to,  and only later did I get a taste of 
window-eyes.I wish I would  have taken the time to study window-eyes more, 
but  I think in a lot of ways, it has become more stable,  and it will be sad 
to see it go.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:05 PM
To: Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

Yes, even though window eyes had the same governmental thing that Freedom 
Scientific had for jaws.  But nobody seemed to know about it.  Maybe I didn't 
use the correct word, but I hope you know what I mean. 
Pam.
-Original Message-
From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:46 PM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

Wasn't a program rewrite that was needed.  Freedom had an in with state 
agencies, veterans and so forth.  When I was a client in Nevada and also here 
in Kansas, all they knew or cared about was jaws.  It was like a religion, and 
still is in some cases.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 7 May 2017, Dave via Talk
wrote:

> GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The 
> question then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, 
> the better the cash flow.
>
> I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from 
> the ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of 
> years to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
>
> I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have 
> done, unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even 
> then, it may not have been enough.
>
> Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get 
> much in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
> themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
> taken place.
>
> I too wish it were different.
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
>
>
> --
> Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
>
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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

The next upgrade of Fusion, will be powered by JAWS from what I hear.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 8:33 AM
To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

That brings another interesting question up, will zoom text fusion still
survive?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Yep, magic is a joke and fs always knew it was. Is vfo gonna come and take
> we off your pc? No. Realistically, i wouldn't expect any meaningful
updates
> to we from here on out. Vfo bought ai2 for zoomtext straight up.  Actually
> 'cause i'm bored i'm gonna give them a call and ask about my we version of
> zt fusion.
> 
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
> 
> Reeva
> 
> On May 8, 2017 10:16 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Zoomtext is defenatly superior to MAGic for sure!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:03 AM
>> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>> 
>> That's because Zoom text is superior to magic, and everybody knows it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The VFO group got ZoomText out of the deal.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:08 PM
>>> To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>> 
>>> Many times, a company will buy out another just to get its user base.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>> 
>>> From: Loy via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:27 PM
>>> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>> 
>>> My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
>> product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
>>> - Original Message -  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
>>> To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The
>> question
>>>> then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
>>>> the cash flow.
>>>> 
>>>> I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from
>> the
>>>> ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
>>>> to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
>>>> 
>>>> I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
>>>> unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
>>>> it may not have been enough.
>>>> 
>>>> Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get
>> much
>>>> in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good
>> about
>>>> themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what
>> has
>>>> taken place.
>>>> 
>>>> I too wish it were different.
>>>> 
>>>> Grumpy Dave
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --  > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
>>>> 
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>> author and do not necessarily represent those of Ai Squared.
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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

That brings another interesting question up, will zoom text fusion still 
survive?

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Reeva Webb via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Yep, magic is a joke and fs always knew it was. Is vfo gonna come and take
> we off your pc? No. Realistically, i wouldn't expect any meaningful updates
> to we from here on out. Vfo bought ai2 for zoomtext straight up.  Actually
> 'cause i'm bored i'm gonna give them a call and ask about my we version of
> zt fusion.
> 
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
> 
> Reeva
> 
> On May 8, 2017 10:16 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Zoomtext is defenatly superior to MAGic for sure!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:03 AM
>> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>> 
>> That's because Zoom text is superior to magic, and everybody knows it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 8, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The VFO group got ZoomText out of the deal.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:08 PM
>>> To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>> 
>>> Many times, a company will buy out another just to get its user base.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>> 
>>> From: Loy via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:27 PM
>>> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>> 
>>> My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
>> product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
>>> - Original Message -  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
>>> To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The
>> question
>>>> then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
>>>> the cash flow.
>>>> 
>>>> I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from
>> the
>>>> ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
>>>> to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
>>>> 
>>>> I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
>>>> unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
>>>> it may not have been enough.
>>>> 
>>>> Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get
>> much
>>>> in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good
>> about
>>>> themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what
>> has
>>>> taken place.
>>>> 
>>>> I too wish it were different.
>>>> 
>>>> Grumpy Dave
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --  > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
>>>> 
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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Yep, magic is a joke and fs always knew it was. Is vfo gonna come and take
we off your pc? No. Realistically, i wouldn't expect any meaningful updates
to we from here on out. Vfo bought ai2 for zoomtext straight up.  Actually
'cause i'm bored i'm gonna give them a call and ask about my we version of
zt fusion.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 8, 2017 10:16 AM, "Sky Mundell via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> Zoomtext is defenatly superior to MAGic for sure!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:03 AM
> To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>
> That's because Zoom text is superior to magic, and everybody knows it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 8, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> >
> > The VFO group got ZoomText out of the deal.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk
> > Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:08 PM
> > To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
> >
> > Many times, a company will buy out another just to get its user base.
> >
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >
> > From: Loy via Talk
> > Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:27 PM
> > To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> >
> > My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
> product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
> > - Original Message -  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
> > To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> > Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> >
> >
> > If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The
> question
> > > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
> > > the cash flow.
> > >
> > > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from
> the
> > > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
> > > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
> > >
> > > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
> > > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
> > > it may not have been enough.
> > >
> > > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get
> much
> > > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good
> about
> > > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what
> has
> > > taken place.
> > >
> > > I too wish it were different.
> > >
> > > Grumpy Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --  > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
> > >
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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Zoomtext is defenatly superior to MAGic for sure!

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 7:03 AM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

That's because Zoom text is superior to magic, and everybody knows it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> The VFO group got ZoomText out of the deal.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:08 PM
> To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> Many times, a company will buy out another just to get its user base.
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Loy via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:27 PM
> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
> - Original Message -  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
> To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> 
> If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:
> >
> > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
> > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
> > the cash flow.
> >
> > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
> > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
> > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
> >
> > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
> > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
> > it may not have been enough.
> >
> > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

That's because Zoom text is superior to magic, and everybody knows it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2017, at 9:56 AM, Russ Kiehne via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> The VFO group got ZoomText out of the deal.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Joseph Norton via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:08 PM
> To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> Many times, a company will buy out another just to get its user base.
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Loy via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:27 PM
> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one 
> product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
> - Original Message -  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
> To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> 
> If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
> > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
> > the cash flow.
> >
> > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
> > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
> > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
> >
> > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
> > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
> > it may not have been enough.
> >
> > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
> > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
> > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
> > taken place.
> >
> > I too wish it were different.
> >
> > Grumpy Dave
> >
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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The VFO group got ZoomText out of the deal.

-Original Message- 
From: Joseph Norton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:08 PM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Many times, a company will buy out another just to get its user base.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:27 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one 
product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
 - Original Message - 
 From: Darrell Bowles via Talk

 To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes


 If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:

 >
 > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
 > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
 > the cash flow.
 >
 > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
 > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
 > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
 >
 > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
 > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
 > it may not have been enough.
 >
 > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
 > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
 > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
 > taken place.
 >
 > I too wish it were different.
 >
 > Grumpy Dave
 >
 >
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 > -- 
 > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>

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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Assuming what was reported is the truth, and since it came from Erick Damery, I 
have no doubt of it, yes, that's what that means. JAWS will work with it, and 
NVDA works with it to some extent.
Narrator of course, also works with it.
Thanks,
Darrell

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 9:47 AM
To: Rod Hutton <rod_hut...@hotmail.com>; Vaughan Dodd 
<vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

With no future development of Window-Eyes, that means window-eyes will never 
work with the Edge browser?

-Original Message-
From: Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:56 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Vaughan,

NVDA and Window-Eyes both have a scripting facility.  This makes them 
customizable to deal with changing developments in software.
There are limits, of course, such that if text is not available to the screen 
reader, then scripting won't help.
However, I do believe it is misleading to say that either of the two screen 
readers I mentioned above wil be unable to handle future developments.
I think it depends on how much scripters are willing to invest in configuring 
them.

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:41 PM
To: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

My guess is that things just come down to normal supply and demand.  The 
customer demand has always been for JAWS.  If there is no demand for a 
product, its business cannot grow.  If it cannot grow, it cannot develop new 
products.

The old GW Micro was in financial trouble.  To begin with - I thought the 
Office Deal was of dubious value.  It sihgnaled that that paying customers 
were not meeting the cash flow requirements.  And: whilst I was a fan of the 
SMA (I still have two counts) as a way of encouraging loyalty from 
indivivduals, the Office deal trashed that.

So: we are left with what we have - for all the moaning - Freedom Scientific 
ran a better business.  We have three free screen readers - Narrator whose 
development is progressing, NVDA with a loyal user base, and which is still 
being developed, and Window-eyes.  The free screen readers which continue to 
be developed will get user support.  But: none of them truly jmeet the 
modern professional's need for sophistication and customisation.



Vaughan.

n

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, 8 May 2017 6:27 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one 
product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
  To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes


  If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

  Sent from my iPhone

  > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:
  >
  > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
  > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
  > the cash flow.
  >
  > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
  > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
  > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
  >
  > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
  > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
  > it may not have been enough.
  >
  > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
  > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
  > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
  > taken place.
  >
  > I too wish it were different.
  >
  > Grumpy Dave
  >
  >
  >
  > -- 
  > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
  >
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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

With no future development of Window-Eyes, that means window-eyes will never 
work with the Edge browser?


-Original Message- 
From: Rod Hutton via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:56 PM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

Vaughan,

NVDA and Window-Eyes both have a scripting facility.  This makes them 
customizable to deal with changing developments in software.
There are limits, of course, such that if text is not available to the 
screen reader, then scripting won't help.
However, I do believe it is misleading to say that either of the two screen 
readers I mentioned above wil be unable to handle future developments.
I think it depends on how much scripters are willing to invest in 
configuring them.


Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:41 PM
To: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

My guess is that things just come down to normal supply and demand.  The 
customer demand has always been for JAWS.  If there is no demand for a 
product, its business cannot grow.  If it cannot grow, it cannot develop new 
products.


The old GW Micro was in financial trouble.  To begin with - I thought the 
Office Deal was of dubious value.  It sihgnaled that that paying customers 
were not meeting the cash flow requirements.  And: whilst I was a fan of the 
SMA (I still have two counts) as a way of encouraging loyalty from 
indivivduals, the Office deal trashed that.


So: we are left with what we have - for all the moaning - Freedom Scientific 
ran a better business.  We have three free screen readers - Narrator whose 
development is progressing, NVDA with a loyal user base, and which is still 
being developed, and Window-eyes.  The free screen readers which continue to 
be developed will get user support.  But: none of them truly jmeet the 
modern professional's need for sophistication and customisation.




Vaughan.

n

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy via Talk

Sent: Monday, 8 May 2017 6:27 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one 
product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
 - Original Message - 
 From: Darrell Bowles via Talk

 To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes


 If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:

 >
 > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
 > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
 > the cash flow.
 >
 > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
 > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
 > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
 >
 > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
 > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
 > it may not have been enough.
 >
 > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
 > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
 > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
 > taken place.
 >
 > I too wish it were different.
 >
 > Grumpy Dave
 >
 >
 >
 > -- 
 > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>

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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

In my case, NVDA doesn't do everything I do with window-eyes.  When using my 
tripleTalk with NVDA, it doesn't support indexing.


-Original Message- 
From: Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 11:17 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

Guess NVDA's going to get a lot more use LOL.

-Original Message- 
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:18 AM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:


GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
the cash flow.

I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.

I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
it may not have been enough.

Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
taken place.

I too wish it were different.

Grumpy Dave



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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

IN the end, the VFO group won the battle!  Everyone will be forced to use 
jaws or nvda.  My question is, when does the MS Office support end?


-Original Message- 
From: Michael Capelle via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 8:44 AM
To: Reeva Webb ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Darrell Bowles
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

this is true, jfw is the primary screen reader.

-Original Message- 
From: Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Darrell Bowles
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

...and the following tweet i just saw in my tl. Take it for what you want:

@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth
https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8

https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354

that is all.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 6, 2017 9:19 AM, "Darrell Bowles via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

While the support is no means complete, NVDA had it long before the main
companies did.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 6, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Matthew Dyer via Talk <

talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hi,


While jaws does not support edge as of yet, it is being worked on and

infact there is an fs cast whare a recording was done at the CSUN confrence
demoing edge support using an internmal build ofcorse so yes it is comming.



Mathew





On 05/05/2017 08:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
When this merger happened, I made a statement that WE would be let go.

Everyone kind of  said that that would not happen. If this does happen, it
will be an absolute shame, because I found out two things regarding
developments in JAWS, and NVDA. NVDA has some support for Microsoft edge,
and it also supports adobe connect, quite nicely. Furthermore, JAWS does
not as of this time, support either of these programs.

Thanks,
Darrell

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

 If this does come to fruition, the great thing is that

people have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.


They can a.  switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut

the costs of SMA's and other software agreements.



b.  They can switch to jaws, although I suspect for various and sundry
reasons a lot of people don't want to do that, because they chose
Window-eyes for a reason, but the choice is still there.


C.  they can switch to a low-cost sollution like System access, yes it
is still under development under the sero name.  It still gets updates
and is maintained.


D.

The people who still want to, can always stick with Window-eyes. The
only part

  of this choice that concerns me is that soon enough, it won't be able

  to keep up with many of the advances on the internet and
newly-released software.  If development ceases completely, they may as
well just make it free, throw it out there and say ok, have at it.


We will just have to see what happens until VFO is ready to make a
statement.  Until then it's buisness as usual.







On 5/5/2017 6:27 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
Please understand that what I am about to write here is not at all an

official statement or position from VFO regarding the future of Window-Eyes.




Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I was lucky to

get a VFO tech who was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.




While waiting for my computer to reboot, just to see what his response

would be, I asked him what he thought or knew about the future of
Window-Eyes at VFO.




He said that he had not heard anything official from the powers that

be. However, he thought that there would be no more development on WE. He
suspected that the owners of WE would be offered a deal to switch over to
Jaws.




Again, please keep in mind that he is just a tech at the company. He

has heard no official pronouncements from the powers that be in the company.










Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I got a VFO tech

who was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.




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RE: Future of Window-Eyes

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Ivan,

There is no point.  People just like to talk to feel in control of a situation 
when the absence of information scares them.

Live long and prosper, in the absence of control,

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Ivan Cribb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 12:15 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Future of Window-Eyes

I have just finished deleting dozens of messages on the above topic. What is
the point of all this speculation Nobody outside VFO knows what it is.

Ivan Cribb 

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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

It is simple, eliminate the competition.  Particularly when your product 
costsw more.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 7 May 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:


My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one product 
"Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
 - Original Message -
 From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
 To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes


 If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
 >
 > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
 > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
 > the cash flow.
 >
 > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
 > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
 > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
 >
 > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
 > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
 > it may not have been enough.
 >
 > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
 > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
 > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
 > taken place.
 >
 > I too wish it were different.
 >
 > Grumpy Dave
 >
 >
 >
 > --
 > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Wasn't a program rewrite that was needed.  Freedom had an in with state 
agencies, veterans and so forth.  When I was a client in Nevada and also 
here in Kansas, all they knew or cared about was jaws.  It was like a 
religion, and still is in some cases.

73
Butch
WA0VJR
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On Sun, 7 May 2017, Dave via Talk 
wrote:



GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
the cash flow.

I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.

I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
it may not have been enough.

Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
taken place.

I too wish it were different.

Grumpy Dave



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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Joseph Norton via Talk]

Many times, a company will buy out another just to get its user base.  


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 2:27 PM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one product 
"Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk 
  To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes


  If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

  Sent from my iPhone

  > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:
  > 
  > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
  > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
  > the cash flow.  
  > 
  > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
  > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
  > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.  
  > 
  > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
  > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
  > it may not have been enough.  
  > 
  > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
  > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
  > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
  > taken place.  
  > 
  > I too wish it were different.  
  > 
  > Grumpy Dave
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > -- 
  > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Vaughan,

NVDA and Window-Eyes both have a scripting facility.  This makes them 
customizable to deal with changing developments in software.
There are limits, of course, such that if text is not available to the screen 
reader, then scripting won't help.
However, I do believe it is misleading to say that either of the two screen 
readers I mentioned above wil be unable to handle future developments.
I think it depends on how much scripters are willing to invest in configuring 
them.

Rod

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:41 PM
To: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

My guess is that things just come down to normal supply and demand.  The 
customer demand has always been for JAWS.  If there is no demand for a product, 
its business cannot grow.  If it cannot grow, it cannot develop new products.

The old GW Micro was in financial trouble.  To begin with - I thought the 
Office Deal was of dubious value.  It sihgnaled that that paying customers were 
not meeting the cash flow requirements.  And: whilst I was a fan of the SMA (I 
still have two counts) as a way of encouraging loyalty from indivivduals, the 
Office deal trashed that.  

So: we are left with what we have - for all the moaning - Freedom Scientific 
ran a better business.  We have three free screen readers - Narrator whose 
development is progressing, NVDA with a loyal user base, and which is still 
being developed, and Window-eyes.  The free screen readers which continue to be 
developed will get user support.  But: none of them truly jmeet the modern 
professional's need for sophistication and customisation.



Vaughan.

n

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, 8 May 2017 6:27 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one product 
"Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk 
  To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes


  If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

  Sent from my iPhone

  > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:
  > 
  > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
  > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
  > the cash flow.  
  > 
  > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
  > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
  > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.  
  > 
  > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
  > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
  > it may not have been enough.  
  > 
  > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
  > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
  > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
  > taken place.  
  > 
  > I too wish it were different.  
  > 
  > Grumpy Dave
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > -- 
  > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Actually: I did - perhaps not knowing about VFO as I thought a Microsoft deal 
was going to develop.  Window-eyes is still better than the latest release of 
Narrator.  

The Office deal was spun as a way of getting a good quality screen reader into 
the hands of people who would other-wise not access Windows.  Commendable and 
based on sound principles of fair play for everyone.  But it abandoned any 
effort to promote deals for paying customers.


Vaughan.


  

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, 8 May 2017 4:32 a.m.
To: 'Reeva Webb'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

This is just sad.  Nobody knew this would be happening to Window-Eyes when the 
office deal happened.  Nobody knew.  Had we known Window-Eyes would be put into 
jeperty we would have done something about the situation.  Had more Window-Eyes 
users got together and publisised this monopoly, things would be very different 
just now.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 6:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Darrell Bowles
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

...and the following tweet i just saw in my tl. Take it for what you want:

@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office 
support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth
https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8

https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354

that is all.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 6, 2017 9:19 AM, "Darrell Bowles via Talk" < talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:

While the support is no means complete, NVDA had it long before the main 
companies did.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Matthew Dyer via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> While jaws does not support edge as of yet, it is being worked on and
infact there is an fs cast whare a recording was done at the CSUN confrence 
demoing edge support using an internmal build ofcorse so yes it is comming.
>
>
> Mathew
>
>
>
>
>> On 05/05/2017 08:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> When this merger happened, I made a statement that WE would be let go.
Everyone kind of  said that that would not happen. If this does happen, it will 
be an absolute shame, because I found out two things regarding developments in 
JAWS, and NVDA. NVDA has some support for Microsoft edge, and it also supports 
adobe connect, quite nicely. Furthermore, JAWS does not as of this time, 
support either of these programs.
>> Thanks,
>> Darrell
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:38 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>
>>  If this does come to fruition, the great thing is 
>> that
people have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.
>>
>> They can a.  switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut
the costs of SMA's and other software agreements.
>>
>>
>> b.  They can switch to jaws, although I suspect for various and 
>> sundry reasons a lot of people don't want to do that, because they 
>> chose Window-eyes for a reason, but the choice is still there.
>>
>>
>> C.  they can switch to a low-cost sollution like System access, yes 
>> it is still under development under the sero name.  It still gets 
>> updates and is maintained.
>>
>>
>> D.
>>
>> The people who still want to, can always stick with Window-eyes. The 
>> only part
>>
>>   of this choice that concerns me is that soon enough, it won't be 
>> able
>>
>>   to keep up with many of the advances on the internet and 
>> newly-released software.  If development ceases completely, they may 
>> as well just make it free, throw it out there and say ok, have at it.
>>
>>
>> We will just have to see what happens until VFO is ready to make a 
>> statement.  Until then it's buisness as usual.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/5/2017 6:27 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
>>> Please understand that what I am about to write here is not at all 
>>> an
official statement or position from VFO regarding the future of Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to ca

RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

My guess is that things just come down to normal supply and demand.  The 
customer demand has always been for JAWS.  If there is no demand for a product, 
its business cannot grow.  If it cannot grow, it cannot develop new products.

The old GW Micro was in financial trouble.  To begin with - I thought the 
Office Deal was of dubious value.  It sihgnaled that that paying customers were 
not meeting the cash flow requirements.  And: whilst I was a fan of the SMA (I 
still have two counts) as a way of encouraging loyalty from indivivduals, the 
Office deal trashed that.  

So: we are left with what we have - for all the moaning - Freedom Scientific 
ran a better business.  We have three free screen readers - Narrator whose 
development is progressing, NVDA with a loyal user base, and which is still 
being developed, and Window-eyes.  The free screen readers which continue to be 
developed will get user support.  But: none of them truly jmeet the modern 
professional's need for sophistication and customisation.



Vaughan.

n

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, 8 May 2017 6:27 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one product 
"Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk 
  To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes


  If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

  Sent from my iPhone

  > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:
  > 
  > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
  > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
  > the cash flow.  
  > 
  > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
  > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
  > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.  
  > 
  > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
  > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
  > it may not have been enough.  
  > 
  > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
  > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
  > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
  > taken place.  
  > 
  > I too wish it were different.  
  > 
  > Grumpy Dave
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > -- 
  > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

The reason why Ted Henter who origianally created JAWS did it in the first
place was that he wasn't maxamizing his potential with Vert, the dos
product, and he'd tried other screen readers before that.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Don H via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 1:18 PM
To: Loy via Talk
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

With JAWS wanting to rule the world I am sure they will stop the free Window
Eyes as soon as they legally can.

On 5/7/2017 3:13 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:
> Microsoft supports the free Window Eyes forOffice, so who knows how long
this will last.
>- Original Message -
>From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 3:57 PM
>Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> 
>Hi Dennis,
> 
>Good question.  It's funny how everyone knows what "support for Office"
means, but perhaps someone would like to explain this.
>This just sounds like more bull.
> 
>Hth,
> 
>Rod
> 
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Dennis Long via Talk
>Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 3:07 PM
>To: 'Michael Capelle' <mcape...@charter.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>Subject: RE: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
>When will office support end?
> 
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Michael Capelle via Talk
>Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:45 AM
>To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Darrell Bowles
>Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
>this is true, jfw is the primary screen reader.
> 
>-Original Message-
>From: Reeva Webb via Talk
>Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:34 AM
>To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Darrell Bowles
>Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
>...and the following tweet i just saw in my tl. Take it for what you
want:
> 
>@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS
Office
>support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth
>https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8
> 
>https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354
> 
>that is all.
> 
>"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
>night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of 
> Jericho
> 
>Reeva
> 
>On May 6, 2017 9:19 AM, "Darrell Bowles via Talk" <
>talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
>While the support is no means complete, NVDA had it long before the
main
>companies did.
> 
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 6, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Matthew Dyer via Talk <
>talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> While jaws does not support edge as of yet, it is being worked on and
>infact there is an fs cast whare a recording was done at the CSUN
confrence
>demoing edge support using an internmal build ofcorse so yes it is
comming.
>>
>>
>> Mathew
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 05/05/2017 08:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> When this merger happened, I made a statement that WE would be let
go.
>Everyone kind of  said that that would not happen. If this does happen,
it
>will be an absolute shame, because I found out two things regarding
>developments in JAWS, and NVDA. NVDA has some support for Microsoft
edge,
>and it also supports adobe connect, quite nicely. Furthermore, JAWS
does not
>    as of this time, support either of these programs.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Darrell
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
>On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:38 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>>
>>>  If this does come to fruition, the great thing is
>>> that
>people have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.
>>>
>>> They can a.  switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and
cut
>the costs of SMA's and other software agreements.
>>>
>>>
>>> b.  They can switch to jaws, although I suspect for various and
>>> sundry reas

RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

JAWS does have tech support specialists who are blind as well.  But the
GWMicro owners are sighted as well.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 12:16 PM
To: Sky Mundell via Talk
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

Sky, you mention the sighted folks at the now VFO, but aren't the GW Mcro
owners sighted?  I know GW had a lot of tech support who were blind and they
knew their stuff and were more helpful than the jaws CSRs.  I'm not sure how
many jaws customer service folks are blind, but they don't seem as helppful.


As for the timeline, maybe VFO wanted AI Squared to merge with GW Micro
first.  When that happened, I thought maybe Window-eyes had a chance - maybe
that is what GW folks thought too.


Just sad that we are hearing things everywhere but directly.







On 5/7/2017 2:47 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> FS always saw Window-Eyes as a threat and I have a feeling that that 
> lawsuit they filed against GWMicro was part of their stradigy to 
> destroy Window-Eyes. That lawsuit happened when FS was under Lee 
> Hamilton.  Then, Lee Hamilton left in 2013, and John Blake took over 
> and then, in November of 2015, VFO formed with Optolec and Freedom 
> Scientific.  And then, on June 14th, 2016, VFO bought AI Squared, and 
> then, in August of that year, John Blake moved back to upstate New 
> York, with Tom Teerman as the new president and CEO, who is sighted 
> but has family connections to blindness due to glaucoma.  He did say 
> in FSCast that he would probably get glaucoma eventually.  So, Richard 
> Chandler, Lee Hamilton, John Blake, were the sighted presidents and 
> CEO of Freedom Scientific, while Tom is sighted but might eventually get
Glaucoma.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:27 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>
> My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one 
> product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
>- Original Message -
>From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
>To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
>Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>
>
>If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The
question
>> then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the
better
>> the cash flow.
>>
>> I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from
the
>> ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of
years
>> to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
>>
>> I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have
done,
>> unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even
then,
>> it may not have been enough.
>>
>> Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get
much
>> in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good
about
>> themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what
has
>> taken place.
>>
>> I too wish it were different.
>>
>> Grumpy Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
>>
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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Exactly. There is an VDA, and then there is system access. Most people don't 
pay a whole lot of attention to either one of them. Read the book, the death of 
WCW. But yes, that is where I got my analogy from.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2017, at 3:31 PM, via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi just one question How can you compare VFO to WWE? So you are VFO is the 
> new WWE when it comes to screen readers?
> Kenny Peyatt jr. 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> 
> From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 3:22 PM
> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> When Vince McMahon purchased world championship wrestling, he now lets their 
> showers be played on demand on the WWE network, but there are no more W CW 
> shows. I'm sure that current versions of Window-Eyes, will still be allowed 
> to be used, but it does not sound like they will continue to update it, 
> because, Freedom Scientific is the number one source in town, and so there is 
> no need for them to push another screen reader, especially if it is their 
> competition.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 7, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> 
>> FS always saw Window-Eyes as a threat and I have a feeling that that lawsuit
>> they filed against GWMicro was part of their stradigy to destroy
>> Window-Eyes. That lawsuit happened when FS was under Lee Hamilton.  Then,
>> Lee Hamilton left in 2013, and John Blake took over and then, in November of
>> 2015, VFO formed with Optolec and Freedom Scientific.  And then, on June
>> 14th, 2016, VFO bought AI Squared, and then, in August of that year, John
>> Blake moved back to upstate New York, with Tom Teerman as the new president
>> and CEO, who is sighted but has family connections to blindness due to
>> glaucoma.  He did say in FSCast that he would probably get glaucoma
>> eventually.  So, Richard Chandler, Lee Hamilton, John Blake, were the
>> sighted presidents and CEO of Freedom Scientific, while Tom is sighted but
>> might eventually get Glaucoma.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:27 AM
>> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>> 
>> My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
>> product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Darrell Bowles via Talk 
>> To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>> 
>> 
>> If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
>>> then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
>>> the cash flow.  
>>> 
>>> I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
>>> ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
>>> to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.  
>>> 
>>> I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
>>> unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
>>> it may not have been enough.  
>>> 
>>> Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
>>> in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
>>> themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
>>> taken place.  
>>> 
>>> I too wish it were different.  
>>> 
>>> Grumpy Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> 
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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[net bat via Talk]

they do this all the time for pennies on the dollar for the business. then sell 
the realistate for millions.





-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:26 AM
To: Darrell Bowles ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one product 
"Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
 - Original Message - 
 From: Darrell Bowles via Talk

 To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
 Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes


 If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

 Sent from my iPhone

 > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:

 >
 > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
 > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
 > the cash flow.
 >
 > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
 > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
 > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
 >
 > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
 > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
 > it may not have been enough.
 >
 > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
 > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
 > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
 > taken place.
 >
 > I too wish it were different.
 >
 > Grumpy Dave
 >
 >
 >
 > -- 
 > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>

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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

When Vince McMahon purchased world championship wrestling, he now lets their 
showers be played on demand on the WWE network, but there are no more W CW 
shows. I'm sure that current versions of Window-Eyes, will still be allowed to 
be used, but it does not sound like they will continue to update it, because, 
Freedom Scientific is the number one source in town, and so there is no need 
for them to push another screen reader, especially if it is their competition.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> FS always saw Window-Eyes as a threat and I have a feeling that that lawsuit
> they filed against GWMicro was part of their stradigy to destroy
> Window-Eyes. That lawsuit happened when FS was under Lee Hamilton.  Then,
> Lee Hamilton left in 2013, and John Blake took over and then, in November of
> 2015, VFO formed with Optolec and Freedom Scientific.  And then, on June
> 14th, 2016, VFO bought AI Squared, and then, in August of that year, John
> Blake moved back to upstate New York, with Tom Teerman as the new president
> and CEO, who is sighted but has family connections to blindness due to
> glaucoma.  He did say in FSCast that he would probably get glaucoma
> eventually.  So, Richard Chandler, Lee Hamilton, John Blake, were the
> sighted presidents and CEO of Freedom Scientific, while Tom is sighted but
> might eventually get Glaucoma.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Loy via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:27 AM
> To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
> product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk 
>  To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>  Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
>  Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> 
>  If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
>> then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
>> the cash flow.  
>> 
>> I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
>> ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
>> to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.  
>> 
>> I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
>> unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
>> it may not have been enough.  
>> 
>> Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
>> in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
>> themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
>> taken place.  
>> 
>> I too wish it were different.  
>> 
>> Grumpy Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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>> 
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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Brenda via Talk]

Sky, you mention the sighted folks at the now VFO, but aren't the GW 
Mcro owners sighted?  I know GW had a lot of tech support who were blind 
and they knew their stuff and were more helpful than the jaws CSRs.  I'm 
not sure how many jaws customer service folks are blind, but they don't 
seem as helppful.



As for the timeline, maybe VFO wanted AI Squared to merge with GW Micro 
first.  When that happened, I thought maybe Window-eyes had a chance - 
maybe that is what GW folks thought too.



Just sad that we are hearing things everywhere but directly.







On 5/7/2017 2:47 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

FS always saw Window-Eyes as a threat and I have a feeling that that lawsuit
they filed against GWMicro was part of their stradigy to destroy
Window-Eyes. That lawsuit happened when FS was under Lee Hamilton.  Then,
Lee Hamilton left in 2013, and John Blake took over and then, in November of
2015, VFO formed with Optolec and Freedom Scientific.  And then, on June
14th, 2016, VFO bought AI Squared, and then, in August of that year, John
Blake moved back to upstate New York, with Tom Teerman as the new president
and CEO, who is sighted but has family connections to blindness due to
glaucoma.  He did say in FSCast that he would probably get glaucoma
eventually.  So, Richard Chandler, Lee Hamilton, John Blake, were the
sighted presidents and CEO of Freedom Scientific, while Tom is sighted but
might eventually get Glaucoma.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:27 AM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
   - Original Message -
   From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
   To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
   Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes


   If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

   Sent from my iPhone

   > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:
   >
   > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
   > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
   > the cash flow.
   >
   > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
   > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
   > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.
   >
   > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
   > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
   > it may not have been enough.
   >
   > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
   > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
   > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
   > taken place.
   >
   > I too wish it were different.
   >
   > Grumpy Dave
   >
   >
   >
   > --
   > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
   >
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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Dennis Long via Talk]

When will office support end?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Michael Capelle via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:45 AM
To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Darrell Bowles
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

this is true, jfw is the primary screen reader.

-Original Message-
From: Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Darrell Bowles
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

...and the following tweet i just saw in my tl. Take it for what you want:

@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth
https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8

https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354

that is all.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 6, 2017 9:19 AM, "Darrell Bowles via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

While the support is no means complete, NVDA had it long before the main
companies did.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Matthew Dyer via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> While jaws does not support edge as of yet, it is being worked on and
infact there is an fs cast whare a recording was done at the CSUN confrence
demoing edge support using an internmal build ofcorse so yes it is comming.
>
>
> Mathew
>
>
>
>
>> On 05/05/2017 08:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> When this merger happened, I made a statement that WE would be let go.
Everyone kind of  said that that would not happen. If this does happen, it
will be an absolute shame, because I found out two things regarding
developments in JAWS, and NVDA. NVDA has some support for Microsoft edge,
and it also supports adobe connect, quite nicely. Furthermore, JAWS does not
as of this time, support either of these programs.
>> Thanks,
>> Darrell
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:38 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>
>>  If this does come to fruition, the great thing is 
>> that
people have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.
>>
>> They can a.  switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut
the costs of SMA's and other software agreements.
>>
>>
>> b.  They can switch to jaws, although I suspect for various and 
>> sundry reasons a lot of people don't want to do that, because they 
>> chose Window-eyes for a reason, but the choice is still there.
>>
>>
>> C.  they can switch to a low-cost sollution like System access, yes 
>> it is still under development under the sero name.  It still gets 
>> updates and is maintained.
>>
>>
>> D.
>>
>> The people who still want to, can always stick with Window-eyes. The 
>> only part
>>
>>   of this choice that concerns me is that soon enough, it won't be 
>> able
>>
>>   to keep up with many of the advances on the internet and 
>> newly-released software.  If development ceases completely, they may 
>> as well just make it free, throw it out there and say ok, have at it.
>>
>>
>> We will just have to see what happens until VFO is ready to make a 
>> statement.  Until then it's buisness as usual.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/5/2017 6:27 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
>>> Please understand that what I am about to write here is not at all 
>>> an
official statement or position from VFO regarding the future of Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I was lucky 
>>> to
get a VFO tech who was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While waiting for my computer to reboot, just to see what his 
>>> response
would be, I asked him what he thought or knew about the future of
Window-Eyes at VFO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He said that he had not heard anything official from the powers that
be. However, he thought that there would be no more development on WE. He
suspected that the owners of WE would be offered a deal to switch over to
Jaws.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Again, please keep in mind that he is just a tech at the company. He
has heard no official pronouncements from the powers that be in the company.
&

RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

FS always saw Window-Eyes as a threat and I have a feeling that that lawsuit
they filed against GWMicro was part of their stradigy to destroy
Window-Eyes. That lawsuit happened when FS was under Lee Hamilton.  Then,
Lee Hamilton left in 2013, and John Blake took over and then, in November of
2015, VFO formed with Optolec and Freedom Scientific.  And then, on June
14th, 2016, VFO bought AI Squared, and then, in August of that year, John
Blake moved back to upstate New York, with Tom Teerman as the new president
and CEO, who is sighted but has family connections to blindness due to
glaucoma.  He did say in FSCast that he would probably get glaucoma
eventually.  So, Richard Chandler, Lee Hamilton, John Blake, were the
sighted presidents and CEO of Freedom Scientific, while Tom is sighted but
might eventually get Glaucoma.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:27 AM
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one
product "Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk 
  To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes


  If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

  Sent from my iPhone

  > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:
  > 
  > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
  > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
  > the cash flow.  
  > 
  > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
  > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
  > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.  
  > 
  > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
  > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
  > it may not have been enough.  
  > 
  > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
  > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
  > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
  > taken place.  
  > 
  > I too wish it were different.  
  > 
  > Grumpy Dave
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > -- 
  > Dave <dlh...@centurylink.net>
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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Loy via Talk]

My question is why would a company pay for a company that only has one product 
"Window Eyes" then shut down the product.?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darrell Bowles via Talk 
  To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 1:18 PM
  Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes


  If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

  Sent from my iPhone

  > On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:
  > 
  > GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
  > then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
  > the cash flow.  
  > 
  > I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
  > ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
  > to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.  
  > 
  > I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
  > unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
  > it may not have been enough.  
  > 
  > Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
  > in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
  > themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
  > taken place.  
  > 
  > I too wish it were different.  
  > 
  > Grumpy Dave
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > -- 
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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Guess NVDA's going to get a lot more use LOL.

-Original Message- 
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 11:18 AM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:


GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
the cash flow.

I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.

I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
it may not have been enough.

Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
taken place.

I too wish it were different.

Grumpy Dave



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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

If the company had asked for a donation, I would have gladly given it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Dave via Talk  wrote:
> 
> GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
> then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
> the cash flow.  
> 
> I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
> ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
> to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.  
> 
> I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
> unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
> it may not have been enough.  
> 
> Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
> in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
> themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
> taken place.  
> 
> I too wish it were different.  
> 
> Grumpy Dave
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Dave via Talk]

GW Micro must have been suffering from Cash Flow problems.  The question
then is, how to attract more customers.  The more customers, the better
the cash flow.  

I have suspected the Window Eyes program was due for a Re-write from the
ground up, but this costs lots of money, and can take a couple of years
to do it right.  Not enough cash, and they ran out of time to do it.  

I doubt if there was anything the Users of Window Eyes could have done,
unless we all were willing to donate $500 to the cause, and even then,
it may not have been enough.  

Protesting and getting as many people to agree with you doesn't get much
in the long run, other than make all of the participants feel good about
themselves.   However, the end result is nothing different than what has
taken place.  

I too wish it were different.  

Grumpy Dave



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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Sky, more of us should have a post. I don't necessarily disagree with a version 
of Window-Eyes like the one for office, but as soon as GW Micro joined with a 
high squared, and then a high squared joined with the FO, I knew what was about 
to happen.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 7, 2017, at 12:32 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> This is just sad.  Nobody knew this would be happening to Window-Eyes when
> the office deal happened.  Nobody knew.  Had we known Window-Eyes would be
> put into jeperty we would have done something about the situation.  Had more
> Window-Eyes users got together and publisised this monopoly, things would be
> very different just now.
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 6:34 AM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Darrell Bowles
> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
> 
> ...and the following tweet i just saw in my tl. Take it for what you want:
> 
> @mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
> support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth
> https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8
> 
> https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354
> 
> that is all.
> 
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
> night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
> 
> Reeva
> 
> On May 6, 2017 9:19 AM, "Darrell Bowles via Talk" <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> While the support is no means complete, NVDA had it long before the main
> companies did.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 6, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Matthew Dyer via Talk <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 
>> While jaws does not support edge as of yet, it is being worked on and
> infact there is an fs cast whare a recording was done at the CSUN confrence
> demoing edge support using an internmal build ofcorse so yes it is comming.
>> 
>> 
>> Mathew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 05/05/2017 08:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>>> When this merger happened, I made a statement that WE would be let go.
> Everyone kind of  said that that would not happen. If this does happen, it
> will be an absolute shame, because I found out two things regarding
> developments in JAWS, and NVDA. NVDA has some support for Microsoft edge,
> and it also supports adobe connect, quite nicely. Furthermore, JAWS does
> not as of this time, support either of these programs.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Darrell
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:38 PM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>> 
>>> If this does come to fruition, the great thing is that
> people have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.
>>> 
>>> They can a.  switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut
> the costs of SMA's and other software agreements.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> b.  They can switch to jaws, although I suspect for various and sundry
>>> reasons a lot of people don't want to do that, because they chose
>>> Window-eyes for a reason, but the choice is still there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> C.  they can switch to a low-cost sollution like System access, yes it
>>> is still under development under the sero name.  It still gets updates
>>> and is maintained.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> D.
>>> 
>>> The people who still want to, can always stick with Window-eyes. The
>>> only part
>>> 
>>>  of this choice that concerns me is that soon enough, it won't be able
>>> 
>>>  to keep up with many of the advances on the internet and
>>> newly-released software.  If development ceases completely, they may as
>>> well just make it free, throw it out there and say ok, have at it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We will just have to see what happens until VFO is ready to make a
>>> statement.  Until then it's buisness as usual.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 5/5/2017 6:27 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
>>>> Please understand that what I am about to write here is not at all an
> official statement or position from VFO regarding the future of Window-Eyes.
>&

RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

This is just sad.  Nobody knew this would be happening to Window-Eyes when
the office deal happened.  Nobody knew.  Had we known Window-Eyes would be
put into jeperty we would have done something about the situation.  Had more
Window-Eyes users got together and publisised this monopoly, things would be
very different just now.
-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 6:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Darrell Bowles
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

...and the following tweet i just saw in my tl. Take it for what you want:

@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth
https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8

https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354

that is all.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 6, 2017 9:19 AM, "Darrell Bowles via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

While the support is no means complete, NVDA had it long before the main
companies did.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Matthew Dyer via Talk <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>
> While jaws does not support edge as of yet, it is being worked on and
infact there is an fs cast whare a recording was done at the CSUN confrence
demoing edge support using an internmal build ofcorse so yes it is comming.
>
>
> Mathew
>
>
>
>
>> On 05/05/2017 08:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> When this merger happened, I made a statement that WE would be let go.
Everyone kind of  said that that would not happen. If this does happen, it
will be an absolute shame, because I found out two things regarding
developments in JAWS, and NVDA. NVDA has some support for Microsoft edge,
and it also supports adobe connect, quite nicely. Furthermore, JAWS does
not as of this time, support either of these programs.
>> Thanks,
>> Darrell
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:38 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>>
>>  If this does come to fruition, the great thing is that
people have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.
>>
>> They can a.  switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut
the costs of SMA's and other software agreements.
>>
>>
>> b.  They can switch to jaws, although I suspect for various and sundry
>> reasons a lot of people don't want to do that, because they chose
>> Window-eyes for a reason, but the choice is still there.
>>
>>
>> C.  they can switch to a low-cost sollution like System access, yes it
>> is still under development under the sero name.  It still gets updates
>> and is maintained.
>>
>>
>> D.
>>
>> The people who still want to, can always stick with Window-eyes. The
>> only part
>>
>>   of this choice that concerns me is that soon enough, it won't be able
>>
>>   to keep up with many of the advances on the internet and
>> newly-released software.  If development ceases completely, they may as
>> well just make it free, throw it out there and say ok, have at it.
>>
>>
>> We will just have to see what happens until VFO is ready to make a
>> statement.  Until then it's buisness as usual.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/5/2017 6:27 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
>>> Please understand that what I am about to write here is not at all an
official statement or position from VFO regarding the future of Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I was lucky to
get a VFO tech who was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While waiting for my computer to reboot, just to see what his response
would be, I asked him what he thought or knew about the future of
Window-Eyes at VFO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> He said that he had not heard anything official from the powers that
be. However, he thought that there would be no more development on WE. He
suspected that the owners of WE would be offered a deal to switch over to
Jaws.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Again, please keep in mind that he is just a tech at the company. He
has heard no official pronouncements from the powers that be in the company.
>>>
>>>

Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Michael Capelle via Talk]

this is true, jfw is the primary screen reader.

-Original Message- 
From: Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:34 AM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Darrell Bowles
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

...and the following tweet i just saw in my tl. Take it for what you want:

@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth
https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8

https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354

that is all.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 6, 2017 9:19 AM, "Darrell Bowles via Talk" <
talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

While the support is no means complete, NVDA had it long before the main
companies did.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 6, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Matthew Dyer via Talk <

talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Hi,


While jaws does not support edge as of yet, it is being worked on and

infact there is an fs cast whare a recording was done at the CSUN confrence
demoing edge support using an internmal build ofcorse so yes it is comming.



Mathew





On 05/05/2017 08:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
When this merger happened, I made a statement that WE would be let go.

Everyone kind of  said that that would not happen. If this does happen, it
will be an absolute shame, because I found out two things regarding
developments in JAWS, and NVDA. NVDA has some support for Microsoft edge,
and it also supports adobe connect, quite nicely. Furthermore, JAWS does
not as of this time, support either of these programs.

Thanks,
Darrell

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

 If this does come to fruition, the great thing is that

people have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.


They can a.  switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut

the costs of SMA's and other software agreements.



b.  They can switch to jaws, although I suspect for various and sundry
reasons a lot of people don't want to do that, because they chose
Window-eyes for a reason, but the choice is still there.


C.  they can switch to a low-cost sollution like System access, yes it
is still under development under the sero name.  It still gets updates
and is maintained.


D.

The people who still want to, can always stick with Window-eyes. The
only part

  of this choice that concerns me is that soon enough, it won't be able

  to keep up with many of the advances on the internet and
newly-released software.  If development ceases completely, they may as
well just make it free, throw it out there and say ok, have at it.


We will just have to see what happens until VFO is ready to make a
statement.  Until then it's buisness as usual.







On 5/5/2017 6:27 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
Please understand that what I am about to write here is not at all an

official statement or position from VFO regarding the future of Window-Eyes.




Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I was lucky to

get a VFO tech who was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.




While waiting for my computer to reboot, just to see what his response

would be, I asked him what he thought or knew about the future of
Window-Eyes at VFO.




He said that he had not heard anything official from the powers that

be. However, he thought that there would be no more development on WE. He
suspected that the owners of WE would be offered a deal to switch over to
Jaws.




Again, please keep in mind that he is just a tech at the company. He

has heard no official pronouncements from the powers that be in the company.










Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I got a VFO tech

who was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.




Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

While the support is no means complete, NVDA had it long before the main 
companies did.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 6, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Matthew Dyer via Talk 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> While jaws does not support edge as of yet, it is being worked on and infact 
> there is an fs cast whare a recording was done at the CSUN confrence demoing 
> edge support using an internmal build ofcorse so yes it is comming.
> 
> 
> Mathew
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 05/05/2017 08:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> When this merger happened, I made a statement that WE would be let go.  
>> Everyone kind of  said that that would not happen. If this does happen, it 
>> will be an absolute shame, because I found out two things regarding 
>> developments in JAWS, and NVDA. NVDA has some support for Microsoft edge, 
>> and it also supports adobe connect, quite nicely. Furthermore, JAWS does not 
>> as of this time, support either of these programs.
>> Thanks,
>> Darrell
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:38 PM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes
>> 
>>  If this does come to fruition, the great thing is that 
>> people have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.
>> 
>> They can a.  switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut the 
>> costs of SMA's and other software agreements.
>> 
>> 
>> b.  They can switch to jaws, although I suspect for various and sundry
>> reasons a lot of people don't want to do that, because they chose
>> Window-eyes for a reason, but the choice is still there.
>> 
>> 
>> C.  they can switch to a low-cost sollution like System access, yes it
>> is still under development under the sero name.  It still gets updates
>> and is maintained.
>> 
>> 
>> D.
>> 
>> The people who still want to, can always stick with Window-eyes. The
>> only part
>> 
>>   of this choice that concerns me is that soon enough, it won't be able
>> 
>>   to keep up with many of the advances on the internet and
>> newly-released software.  If development ceases completely, they may as
>> well just make it free, throw it out there and say ok, have at it.
>> 
>> 
>> We will just have to see what happens until VFO is ready to make a
>> statement.  Until then it's buisness as usual.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5/5/2017 6:27 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
>>> Please understand that what I am about to write here is not at all an 
>>> official statement or position from VFO regarding the future of Window-Eyes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I was lucky to get a 
>>> VFO tech who was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> While waiting for my computer to reboot, just to see what his response 
>>> would be, I asked him what he thought or knew about the future of 
>>> Window-Eyes at VFO.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> He said that he had not heard anything official from the powers that be. 
>>> However, he thought that there would be no more development on WE. He 
>>> suspected that the owners of WE would be offered a deal to switch over to 
>>> Jaws.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Again, please keep in mind that he is just a tech at the company. He has 
>>> heard no official pronouncements from the powers that be in the company.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I got a VFO tech who 
>>> was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
>>> Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
>>> 916/ 806-9551
>>> Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV
>>> 
>>> When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to 
>>> be bought and sold are legislators.
>>> -P.J. O'Rourke
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>>>

Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Matthew Dyer via Talk]

Hi,


While jaws does not support edge as of yet, it is being worked on and 
infact there is an fs cast whare a recording was done at the CSUN 
confrence demoing edge support using an internmal build ofcorse so yes 
it is comming.



Mathew




On 05/05/2017 08:03 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

When this merger happened, I made a statement that WE would be let go.  
Everyone kind of  said that that would not happen. If this does happen, it will 
be an absolute shame, because I found out two things regarding developments in 
JAWS, and NVDA. NVDA has some support for Microsoft edge, and it also supports 
adobe connect, quite nicely. Furthermore, JAWS does not as of this time, 
support either of these programs.
Thanks,
Darrell

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

  If this does come to fruition, the great thing is that people 
have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.

They can a.  switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut the costs 
of SMA's and other software agreements.


b.  They can switch to jaws, although I suspect for various and sundry
reasons a lot of people don't want to do that, because they chose
Window-eyes for a reason, but the choice is still there.


C.  they can switch to a low-cost sollution like System access, yes it
is still under development under the sero name.  It still gets updates
and is maintained.


D.

The people who still want to, can always stick with Window-eyes. The
only part

   of this choice that concerns me is that soon enough, it won't be able

   to keep up with many of the advances on the internet and
newly-released software.  If development ceases completely, they may as
well just make it free, throw it out there and say ok, have at it.


We will just have to see what happens until VFO is ready to make a
statement.  Until then it's buisness as usual.






On 5/5/2017 6:27 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Please understand that what I am about to write here is not at all an official 
statement or position from VFO regarding the future of Window-Eyes.



Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I was lucky to get a VFO 
tech who was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.



While waiting for my computer to reboot, just to see what his response would 
be, I asked him what he thought or knew about the future of Window-Eyes at VFO.



He said that he had not heard anything official from the powers that be. 
However, he thought that there would be no more development on WE. He suspected 
that the owners of WE would be offered a deal to switch over to Jaws.



Again, please keep in mind that he is just a tech at the company. He has heard 
no official pronouncements from the powers that be in the company.









Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I got a VFO tech who was 
pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.



Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV

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RE: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

When this merger happened, I made a statement that WE would be let go.  
Everyone kind of  said that that would not happen. If this does happen, it will 
be an absolute shame, because I found out two things regarding developments in 
JAWS, and NVDA. NVDA has some support for Microsoft edge, and it also supports 
adobe connect, quite nicely. Furthermore, JAWS does not as of this time, 
support either of these programs.
Thanks,
Darrell

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 7:38 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

 If this does come to fruition, the great thing is that people 
have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.

They can a.  switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut the costs 
of SMA's and other software agreements.


b.  They can switch to jaws, although I suspect for various and sundry 
reasons a lot of people don't want to do that, because they chose 
Window-eyes for a reason, but the choice is still there.


C.  they can switch to a low-cost sollution like System access, yes it 
is still under development under the sero name.  It still gets updates 
and is maintained.


D.

The people who still want to, can always stick with Window-eyes. The 
only part

  of this choice that concerns me is that soon enough, it won't be able

  to keep up with many of the advances on the internet and 
newly-released software.  If development ceases completely, they may as 
well just make it free, throw it out there and say ok, have at it.


We will just have to see what happens until VFO is ready to make a 
statement.  Until then it's buisness as usual.






On 5/5/2017 6:27 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:
> Please understand that what I am about to write here is not at all an 
> official statement or position from VFO regarding the future of Window-Eyes.
>
>
>
> Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I was lucky to get a 
> VFO tech who was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.
>
>
>
> While waiting for my computer to reboot, just to see what his response would 
> be, I asked him what he thought or knew about the future of Window-Eyes at 
> VFO.
>
>
>
> He said that he had not heard anything official from the powers that be. 
> However, he thought that there would be no more development on WE. He 
> suspected that the owners of WE would be offered a deal to switch over to 
> Jaws.
>
>
>
> Again, please keep in mind that he is just a tech at the company. He has 
> heard no official pronouncements from the powers that be in the company.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I got a VFO tech who 
> was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.
>
>
>
> Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
> Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
> 916/ 806-9551
> Amateur (ham) Radio Station K6YBV
>
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> bought and sold are legislators.
> -P.J. O'Rourke
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Re: Future Of Window-Eyes

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

If this does come to fruition, the great thing is that 
people have choices and they're not tied to just one thing.


They can a.  switch to a different screenreader such as NVDA, and cut 
the costs of SMA's and other software agreements.



b.  They can switch to jaws, although I suspect for various and sundry 
reasons a lot of people don't want to do that, because they chose 
Window-eyes for a reason, but the choice is still there.



C.  they can switch to a low-cost sollution like System access, yes it 
is still under development under the sero name.  It still gets updates 
and is maintained.



D.

The people who still want to, can always stick with Window-eyes. The 
only part


 of this choice that concerns me is that soon enough, it won't be able

 to keep up with many of the advances on the internet and 
newly-released software.  If development ceases completely, they may as 
well just make it free, throw it out there and say ok, have at it.



We will just have to see what happens until VFO is ready to make a 
statement.  Until then it's buisness as usual.







On 5/5/2017 6:27 PM, Robert Ringwald via Talk wrote:

Please understand that what I am about to write here is not at all an official 
statement or position from VFO regarding the future of Window-Eyes.



Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I was lucky to get a VFO 
tech who was pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.



While waiting for my computer to reboot, just to see what his response would 
be, I asked him what he thought or knew about the future of Window-Eyes at VFO.



He said that he had not heard anything official from the powers that be. 
However, he thought that there would be no more development on WE. He suspected 
that the owners of WE would be offered a deal to switch over to Jaws.



Again, please keep in mind that he is just a tech at the company. He has heard 
no official pronouncements from the powers that be in the company.









Yesterday Friday May 4, I had an occasion to call VFO. I got a VFO tech who was 
pretty knowledgeable about Window-Eyes.



Bob Ringwald piano, Solo, Duo, Trio, Quartet, Quintet
Fulton Street Jazz Band (Dixieland/Swing)
916/ 806-9551
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RE: future of window-eyes

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Yes, AI Squared may not have been forced into a deal with V F O; but it was
most certainly cajoled in some other way by a series of tricks!  The
question mark is, did AI Squared see that handwriting on the wall?  Did GW
Micro also saw the handwriting on the wall before even agreeing to a merger
with AI SQuared?  I wasn't there and I don't know how many champagne bottles
either exchanged hands or graced the atmosphere!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: future of window-eyes

[Brenda via Talk]

when I listened to Jeff bishop talk, on the Main Menu podcast, I felt 
like he was all excited that now all the companies - Google, Microsoft, 
VFO, would all work together now.  I think this is what is being sold to 
groups like ACB and NFB, blind service agencies, etc.



To some extent, this may actually be true as now the different software 
companies only have to deal with VFO and not worry about dealing with 
multiple screen reader companies - therefore not having to deal with the 
same issue with different screen reader companies.



I just wish the one company could have been GW/AI Squared.


Brenda




On 4/7/2017 4:52 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
It means that there will not be any developments, but the Window-Eyes 
for Office deal will still run.  I think the question and response 
should have brought about some probing for something more satisfactory.



It bothers me that too many people are gagged due to non-disclosure 
agreements.  Thus: we are not getting informed, independent analysis 
of this topic.



Vaughan.




On 4/8/2017 8:09 AM, Jo Taliaferro via Talk wrote:
I listened to part of the main menu podcast the other day and I was 
surprised at how little was said about the future of window eyes. For 
now, the word is that nothing is changing. I don't know what that 
means! I just don't want to get caught not having the things I need 
to do the work I need to do. Outlook 2016 is just not working for me 
and I am not not not going back to best buy because they keep putting 
things on my computer that I don't want. I am up-to-date with window 
eyes and I still have an SM a left. I have no idea what's going to 
happen to that! Just my take on things. I might make the switch.


Jo Taliaferro

On Apr 7, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. 
via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:


Tony and Vaughan, I am in your shoes!  The podcast in question HAD SCANT
information about Window-Eyes!  In fact, it seemed as if the 
statement made

was COERCED or somewhat FORCED out of the mouth of the interviewee.

For me to believe that Window-Eyes is alive, I shall have to see 
either the

same, or something close to the same kind of service I once had with GW
Micro.  If that's not the case, then, obviously Window-Eyes is dead 
and it's
only a matter of time before its funeral is announced and we can 
bring grave

flowers and also kick dirt over its grave!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: future of window-eyes

[Brenda via Talk]

Maybe AI Squared was not technically forced into an agreement with VFO, 
but they may have seen the handwriting on the wall and realized it was 
their best option.  I still wonder if AI knew they were goin to join VFO 
prior to merging with GW.



Whatever the case, it is a done deal, and nothing is being announced 
about window-eyes.



brenda



On 4/7/2017 1:35 PM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:


You do realized that no one forced AI Squared into an agreement with
Freedom Scientific?

On 4/7/2017 11:24 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
wrote:

Thanks Loy!  I've never ever, in the years I have been a customer of GW
Micro or AI Squared, heard the loud sound of a coin falling on the carpet.
By now, there shall have been so many teasers about upcoming add-ons to
Window-Eyes!  As a matter of fact, a number of beta-testing cycles would
have gone by.  I haven't seen any such thing in well over a year now unless
I can't count!

As I once said, that wich Freedom Scientific and her juggling fiends could
not win in the courts, it has succeeded in throwing under the bus and life
is being slowly but surely squashed out of whatever is left of Window-Eyes!
Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong and waiting for quarter 8 or 9 to do
so is absolutely unnecessary!  Heck, even this list is NO LONGER being
monitored!  And, if it is, the silence ought to have been broken so many
moons ago.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: future of window-eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

It means that there will not be any developments, but the Window-Eyes 
for Office deal will still run.  I think the question and response 
should have brought about some probing for something more satisfactory.



It bothers me that too many people are gagged due to non-disclosure 
agreements.  Thus: we are not getting informed, independent analysis of 
this topic.



Vaughan.




On 4/8/2017 8:09 AM, Jo Taliaferro via Talk wrote:

I listened to part of the main menu podcast the other day and I was surprised 
at how little was said about the future of window eyes. For now, the word is 
that nothing is changing. I don't know what that means! I just don't want to 
get caught not having the things I need to do the work I need to do. Outlook 
2016 is just not working for me and I am not not not going back to best buy 
because they keep putting things on my computer that I don't want. I am 
up-to-date with window eyes and I still have an SM a left. I have no idea 
what's going to happen to that! Just my take on things. I might make the switch.

Jo Taliaferro

On Apr 7, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Tony and Vaughan, I am in your shoes!  The podcast in question HAD SCANT
information about Window-Eyes!  In fact, it seemed as if the statement made
was COERCED or somewhat FORCED out of the mouth of the interviewee.

For me to believe that Window-Eyes is alive, I shall have to see either the
same, or something close to the same kind of service I once had with GW
Micro.  If that's not the case, then, obviously Window-Eyes is dead and it's
only a matter of time before its funeral is announced and we can bring grave
flowers and also kick dirt over its grave!

Sincerely,
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Denver, Colorado


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RE: future of window-eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Hello Joe.  I personally have not encountered those problems with
Window-Eyes.  I am still on office 2010.  A lot of the problems that people
have with Window-Eyes is crashing, but there is a way to fix it.  The way to
fix it is to install Window-Eyes with no virus, spyware, or what have you,
running.  Also,  it isn't recommended to have any bloatware on your machine
when using Window-Eyes.  I run Window-Eyes on both my desktop and laptop
computers and it runs like a charm on them, and it takes 5 seconds to boot
up, as I have an SSD drive in both of them.  Before I had the SSD drive in
my laptop, it took 20 minutes  for Window-Eyes to start.  Now it takes 5
seconds now, due to the SSD drive.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Jo Taliaferro via Talk
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2017 1:09 PM
To: ukekearu...@valtdnet.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: future of window-eyes

I listened to part of the main menu podcast the other day and I was
surprised at how little was said about the future of window eyes. For now,
the word is that nothing is changing. I don't know what that means! I just
don't want to get caught not having the things I need to do the work I need
to do. Outlook 2016 is just not working for me and I am not not not going
back to best buy because they keep putting things on my computer that I
don't want. I am up-to-date with window eyes and I still have an SM a left.
I have no idea what's going to happen to that! Just my take on things. I
might make the switch.

Jo Taliaferro 

On Apr 7, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via
Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Tony and Vaughan, I am in your shoes!  The podcast in question HAD SCANT
information about Window-Eyes!  In fact, it seemed as if the statement made
was COERCED or somewhat FORCED out of the mouth of the interviewee.  

For me to believe that Window-Eyes is alive, I shall have to see either the
same, or something close to the same kind of service I once had with GW
Micro.  If that's not the case, then, obviously Window-Eyes is dead and it's
only a matter of time before its funeral is announced and we can bring grave
flowers and also kick dirt over its grave!  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: future of window-eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

And isn't that the truth?


Vaughan.




On 4/8/2017 5:35 AM, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

You do realized that no one forced AI Squared into an agreement with
Freedom Scientific?

On 4/7/2017 11:24 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk
wrote:

Thanks Loy!  I've never ever, in the years I have been a customer of GW
Micro or AI Squared, heard the loud sound of a coin falling on the carpet.
By now, there shall have been so many teasers about upcoming add-ons to
Window-Eyes!  As a matter of fact, a number of beta-testing cycles would
have gone by.  I haven't seen any such thing in well over a year now unless
I can't count!

As I once said, that wich Freedom Scientific and her juggling fiends could
not win in the courts, it has succeeded in throwing under the bus and life
is being slowly but surely squashed out of whatever is left of Window-Eyes!
Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong and waiting for quarter 8 or 9 to do
so is absolutely unnecessary!  Heck, even this list is NO LONGER being
monitored!  And, if it is, the silence ought to have been broken so many
moons ago.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: future of window-eyes

[Jo Taliaferro via Talk]

I listened to part of the main menu podcast the other day and I was surprised 
at how little was said about the future of window eyes. For now, the word is 
that nothing is changing. I don't know what that means! I just don't want to 
get caught not having the things I need to do the work I need to do. Outlook 
2016 is just not working for me and I am not not not going back to best buy 
because they keep putting things on my computer that I don't want. I am 
up-to-date with window eyes and I still have an SM a left. I have no idea 
what's going to happen to that! Just my take on things. I might make the switch.

Jo Taliaferro 

On Apr 7, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Tony and Vaughan, I am in your shoes!  The podcast in question HAD SCANT
information about Window-Eyes!  In fact, it seemed as if the statement made
was COERCED or somewhat FORCED out of the mouth of the interviewee.  

For me to believe that Window-Eyes is alive, I shall have to see either the
same, or something close to the same kind of service I once had with GW
Micro.  If that's not the case, then, obviously Window-Eyes is dead and it's
only a matter of time before its funeral is announced and we can bring grave
flowers and also kick dirt over its grave!  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: future of window-eyes

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

You do realized that no one forced AI Squared into an agreement with 
Freedom Scientific?

On 4/7/2017 11:24 AM, Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk 
wrote:
> Thanks Loy!  I've never ever, in the years I have been a customer of GW
> Micro or AI Squared, heard the loud sound of a coin falling on the carpet.
> By now, there shall have been so many teasers about upcoming add-ons to
> Window-Eyes!  As a matter of fact, a number of beta-testing cycles would
> have gone by.  I haven't seen any such thing in well over a year now unless
> I can't count!
> 
> As I once said, that wich Freedom Scientific and her juggling fiends could
> not win in the courts, it has succeeded in throwing under the bus and life
> is being slowly but surely squashed out of whatever is left of Window-Eyes!
> Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong and waiting for quarter 8 or 9 to do
> so is absolutely unnecessary!  Heck, even this list is NO LONGER being
> monitored!  And, if it is, the silence ought to have been broken so many
> moons ago.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Olusegun
> Denver, Colorado
> 
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RE: future of window-eyes

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Thanks Loy!  I've never ever, in the years I have been a customer of GW
Micro or AI Squared, heard the loud sound of a coin falling on the carpet.
By now, there shall have been so many teasers about upcoming add-ons to
Window-Eyes!  As a matter of fact, a number of beta-testing cycles would
have gone by.  I haven't seen any such thing in well over a year now unless
I can't count!  

As I once said, that wich Freedom Scientific and her juggling fiends could
not win in the courts, it has succeeded in throwing under the bus and life
is being slowly but surely squashed out of whatever is left of Window-Eyes!
Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong and waiting for quarter 8 or 9 to do
so is absolutely unnecessary!  Heck, even this list is NO LONGER being
monitored!  And, if it is, the silence ought to have been broken so many
moons ago.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: future of window-eyes

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Tony and Vaughan, I am in your shoes!  The podcast in question HAD SCANT
information about Window-Eyes!  In fact, it seemed as if the statement made
was COERCED or somewhat FORCED out of the mouth of the interviewee.  

For me to believe that Window-Eyes is alive, I shall have to see either the
same, or something close to the same kind of service I once had with GW
Micro.  If that's not the case, then, obviously Window-Eyes is dead and it's
only a matter of time before its funeral is announced and we can bring grave
flowers and also kick dirt over its grave!  

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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Re: future of window-eyes

[Loy via Talk]

If Window Eyes is to be around, all this silence and all the speculation that 
is being talked about without any response has to be hurting any future sales. 
Not good business practice.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dennis Long via Talk 
  To: 'Chris Skarstad' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 7:21 PM
  Subject: RE: future of window-eyes


  I agree.

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
  Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 6:36 PM
  To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Subject: Re: future of window-eyes

  The podcast I heard on Main menu indicated that Window-eyes will be around
  for the forseeable future.  If any updates have to be made, i'm sure they'll
  make them available.  Many people have indicated that this is the case, yet
  these rumors and speculation that it's dying continues.

People like to have stuff to complain about so they invent problems that
  don't exist.





  On 4/6/2017 5:46 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
  > may be no one is saying anything because they have not decided on what 
  > to do with w e.
  > develop it the way they always have done, re write it from scratch, 
  > merge some of its features into jaws or abandon it all to gether.
  >
  >
  >
  > -Original Message- From: Ian Westerland via Talk
  > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:33 PM
  > To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Subject: Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future 
  > ofwindow-eyes
  >
  >
  >
  > Hi everyone.  Firstly, it was good to listen to the PodCast. There was
  > a lot of information.
  > Now, for some comments that are not made to further stir troubled waters
  > but merely to contribute to the discussion.  However, I have some
  > thoughts about what might be the eventual outcome for Window Eyes.
  >
  > I couldn't say that Window Eyes was discussed.
  > It was mentioned briefly and in a limited way.
  > To me, the significant words were:
  > "that's all I can say here."  Not only were those words spoken but the
  > way they were spoken suggested that there was more to be said. Leading
  > on from that, the mention of Window Eyes only covered the free version
  > that came about with the collaboration between GW-micro and Microsoft.
  > Some of us have paid up front for updates through the MSA.  We still
  > haven't heard what is going to happen to our investment and I haven't
  > been able to get any answers here in Australia.  So, my strategy is the
  > old scouting approach.  "Be prepared." The advantage in handling the
  > situation this way is that, if Window Eyes is abandoned, I have learned
  > a new Screen reader.  In this case, it will be NVDA and, maybe even Jaws
  > if absolutely necessary.
  > Hopefully, however, Window Eyes will remain and be developed.  It is my
  > favourite of all Screen readers.
  >
  > Again, thank you for the PodCast.
  >
  > Cheers.
  >
  >
  > Ian Westerland
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > On 4/7/2017 7:16 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:
  >> Interesting podcast.  Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did because
  >> of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?).  His words were W-e will be here
  >> for now or words to that effect.
  >>
  >>
  >> Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more unity
  >> (or something like that).
  >>
  >>
  >> brenda
  >>
  >>
  >> On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote:
  >>> Thanks for this podcast.  Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except
  >>> that
  >>> it would continue.
  >>> I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be
  >>> ready for
  >>> the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked.  I also said
  >>> that we
  >>> were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and
  >>> that
  >>> they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would
  >>> address
  >>> product concerns and rumors.  Window-Eyes is a great product and they
  >>> need
  >>> to hear from those who appreciate it.  JMO.
  >>> Rebecca
  >>> -Original Message-
  >>> From: Talk
  >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
  >>> On
  >>>
  >>> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
  >>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM
  >>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
  >>> Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of
  >>

RE: future of window-eyes

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 6:36 PM
To: net bat; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: future of window-eyes

The podcast I heard on Main menu indicated that Window-eyes will be around
for the forseeable future.  If any updates have to be made, i'm sure they'll
make them available.  Many people have indicated that this is the case, yet
these rumors and speculation that it's dying continues.

  People like to have stuff to complain about so they invent problems that
don't exist.





On 4/6/2017 5:46 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
> may be no one is saying anything because they have not decided on what 
> to do with w e.
> develop it the way they always have done, re write it from scratch, 
> merge some of its features into jaws or abandon it all to gether.
>
>
>
> -Original Message- From: Ian Westerland via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:33 PM
> To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future 
> ofwindow-eyes
>
>
>
> Hi everyone.  Firstly, it was good to listen to the PodCast. There was
> a lot of information.
> Now, for some comments that are not made to further stir troubled waters
> but merely to contribute to the discussion.  However, I have some
> thoughts about what might be the eventual outcome for Window Eyes.
>
> I couldn't say that Window Eyes was discussed.
> It was mentioned briefly and in a limited way.
> To me, the significant words were:
> "that's all I can say here."  Not only were those words spoken but the
> way they were spoken suggested that there was more to be said. Leading
> on from that, the mention of Window Eyes only covered the free version
> that came about with the collaboration between GW-micro and Microsoft.
> Some of us have paid up front for updates through the MSA.  We still
> haven't heard what is going to happen to our investment and I haven't
> been able to get any answers here in Australia.  So, my strategy is the
> old scouting approach.  "Be prepared." The advantage in handling the
> situation this way is that, if Window Eyes is abandoned, I have learned
> a new Screen reader.  In this case, it will be NVDA and, maybe even Jaws
> if absolutely necessary.
> Hopefully, however, Window Eyes will remain and be developed.  It is my
> favourite of all Screen readers.
>
> Again, thank you for the PodCast.
>
> Cheers.
>
>
> Ian Westerland
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/7/2017 7:16 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:
>> Interesting podcast.  Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did because
>> of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?).  His words were W-e will be here
>> for now or words to that effect.
>>
>>
>> Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more unity
>> (or something like that).
>>
>>
>> brenda
>>
>>
>> On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote:
>>> Thanks for this podcast.  Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except
>>> that
>>> it would continue.
>>> I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be
>>> ready for
>>> the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked.  I also said
>>> that we
>>> were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and
>>> that
>>> they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would
>>> address
>>> product concerns and rumors.  Window-Eyes is a great product and they
>>> need
>>> to hear from those who appreciate it.  JMO.
>>> Rebecca
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
>>> On
>>>
>>> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM
>>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>>> Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of
>>> window-eyes
>>>
>>> In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed
>>> http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3
>>>
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>>>
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Re: future of window-eyes

[Tony C via Talk]

Hello, Well, from a business view point. What would be the reason to spend 
lot's of money on a product that is loosing popularity not only due 
to cost, but to the fact that free and/or lower cost products are out 
performing it. It's kind of like when we had 8 track tapes and cassetts were 
developed. They were better, cheaper, and lasted longer, then they were 
replaced by CD's, and now CD's are being replaced by digital music. I'm 
known many blind and VI people over the years who didn't have access to 
computers and speech programs simply due to the cost of it. Now you can 
actually purchase a device that gives you access to the net, txt messageing, 
etc with a built in screen reader that in a lot of cases out performs the 
$1000.00 screen readers that until now we've been force to use for less than 
$100. I'm doubting that I'll purchase another SMA, if one is even available 
once the last upgrade I have is gone.


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Thursday, April 6, 2017 5:35 PM
To: net bat ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: future of window-eyes

The podcast I heard on Main menu indicated that Window-eyes will be
around for the forseeable future.  If any updates have to be made, i'm
sure they'll make them available.  Many people have indicated that this
is the case, yet these rumors and speculation that it's dying continues.

 People like to have stuff to complain about so they invent problems
that don't exist.





On 4/6/2017 5:46 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
may be no one is saying anything because they have not decided on what to 
do with w e.
develop it the way they always have done, re write it from scratch, merge 
some of its features into jaws or abandon it all to gether.




-Original Message- From: Ian Westerland via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:33 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future 
ofwindow-eyes




Hi everyone.  Firstly, it was good to listen to the PodCast. There was
a lot of information.
Now, for some comments that are not made to further stir troubled waters
but merely to contribute to the discussion.  However, I have some
thoughts about what might be the eventual outcome for Window Eyes.

I couldn't say that Window Eyes was discussed.
It was mentioned briefly and in a limited way.
To me, the significant words were:
"that's all I can say here."  Not only were those words spoken but the
way they were spoken suggested that there was more to be said. Leading
on from that, the mention of Window Eyes only covered the free version
that came about with the collaboration between GW-micro and Microsoft.
Some of us have paid up front for updates through the MSA.  We still
haven't heard what is going to happen to our investment and I haven't
been able to get any answers here in Australia.  So, my strategy is the
old scouting approach.  "Be prepared." The advantage in handling the
situation this way is that, if Window Eyes is abandoned, I have learned
a new Screen reader.  In this case, it will be NVDA and, maybe even Jaws
if absolutely necessary.
Hopefully, however, Window Eyes will remain and be developed.  It is my
favourite of all Screen readers.

Again, thank you for the PodCast.

Cheers.


Ian Westerland







On 4/7/2017 7:16 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Interesting podcast.  Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did because
of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?).  His words were W-e will be here
for now or words to that effect.


Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more unity
(or something like that).


brenda


On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote:

Thanks for this podcast.  Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except
that
it would continue.
I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be
ready for
the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked.  I also said
that we
were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and
that
they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would
address
product concerns and rumors.  Window-Eyes is a great product and they
need
to hear from those who appreciate it.  JMO.
Rebecca
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On


Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of
window-eyes

In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed
http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3

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RE: future of window-eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

If you were treating this industry as a business, when would you make major 
announcements?

The speculation from list members suggests close to your summer conventions - 
NFB and ACB.

However: Freedom Scientific has a new 40 cell Braille notetaker coming out 
later this year. I've already advised my dealer that I'm interested in the new 
Focus line of displays, also coming out later this year. I love braile, and the 
screen reader which provides the best Braile   support for me is not 
Window-Eyes.  And: I gave it plenty of chances.  Optelec are involved, and of 
course, Focus is synonomous with JFW and Braille.  

Why have they decided to link Braille developments  with JFW - not Window-Eyes?

Ai Squared has a poor track record when it comes to Braille of any sort.  
Perhaps that might change with a new device incorporating Window-Eyes?  But if 
so - why would VFO set up two rival devices in what is a small market.


The organisations AI and FS are no longer competitors.  VFO has already taken 
the best that the three separate organisations can offer, and put them to work 
on a product range with JFW at the centre.
  I do agree with many who have said that this does not seem to be in the best 
interests of end users, but life isn't always kind either!


Vaughan.


  

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Friday, 7 April 2017 9:47 a.m.
To: Ian Westerland; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: future of window-eyes

may be no one is saying anything because they have not decided on what to do 
with w e.
develop it the way they always have done, re write it from scratch, merge some 
of its features into jaws or abandon it all to gether.



-Original Message-
From: Ian Westerland via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:33 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future ofwindow-eyes



Hi everyone.  Firstly, it was good to listen to the PodCast.  There was a lot 
of information.
Now, for some comments that are not made to further stir troubled waters but 
merely to contribute to the discussion.  However, I have some thoughts about 
what might be the eventual outcome for Window Eyes.

I couldn't say that Window Eyes was discussed.
It was mentioned briefly and in a limited way.
To me, the significant words were:
"that's all I can say here."  Not only were those words spoken but the way they 
were spoken suggested that there was more to be said.  Leading on from that, 
the mention of Window Eyes only covered the free version that came about with 
the collaboration between GW-micro and Microsoft.
Some of us have paid up front for updates through the MSA.  We still haven't 
heard what is going to happen to our investment and I haven't been able to get 
any answers here in Australia.  So, my strategy is the old scouting approach.  
"Be prepared." The advantage in handling the situation this way is that, if 
Window Eyes is abandoned, I have learned a new Screen reader.  In this case, it 
will be NVDA and, maybe even Jaws if absolutely necessary.
Hopefully, however, Window Eyes will remain and be developed.  It is my 
favourite of all Screen readers.

Again, thank you for the PodCast.

Cheers.


Ian Westerland







On 4/7/2017 7:16 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:
> Interesting podcast.  Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did 
> because of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?).  His words were W-e 
> will be here for now or words to that effect.
>
>
> Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more 
> unity (or something like that).
>
>
> brenda
>
>
> On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote:
>> Thanks for this podcast.  Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except 
>> that it would continue.
>> I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be 
>> ready for the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked.  I 
>> also said that we were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the 
>> talk about JAWS, and that they needed to get information out to 
>> Window-Eyes users that would address product concerns and rumors.  
>> Window-Eyes is a great product and they need to hear from those who 
>> appreciate it.  JMO.
>> Rebecca
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.co
>> m] On
>>
>> Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of 
>> window-eyes
>>
>> In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed
>> http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3
>>
>&g

Re: future of window-eyes

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

The podcast I heard on Main menu indicated that Window-eyes will be 
around for the forseeable future.  If any updates have to be made, i'm 
sure they'll make them available.  Many people have indicated that this 
is the case, yet these rumors and speculation that it's dying continues.


 People like to have stuff to complain about so they invent problems 
that don't exist.






On 4/6/2017 5:46 PM, net bat via Talk wrote:
may be no one is saying anything because they have not decided on what 
to do with w e.
develop it the way they always have done, re write it from scratch, 
merge some of its features into jaws or abandon it all to gether.




-Original Message- From: Ian Westerland via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 2:33 PM
To: bjn...@windstream.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future 
ofwindow-eyes




Hi everyone.  Firstly, it was good to listen to the PodCast. There was
a lot of information.
Now, for some comments that are not made to further stir troubled waters
but merely to contribute to the discussion.  However, I have some
thoughts about what might be the eventual outcome for Window Eyes.

I couldn't say that Window Eyes was discussed.
It was mentioned briefly and in a limited way.
To me, the significant words were:
"that's all I can say here."  Not only were those words spoken but the
way they were spoken suggested that there was more to be said. Leading
on from that, the mention of Window Eyes only covered the free version
that came about with the collaboration between GW-micro and Microsoft.
Some of us have paid up front for updates through the MSA.  We still
haven't heard what is going to happen to our investment and I haven't
been able to get any answers here in Australia.  So, my strategy is the
old scouting approach.  "Be prepared." The advantage in handling the
situation this way is that, if Window Eyes is abandoned, I have learned
a new Screen reader.  In this case, it will be NVDA and, maybe even Jaws
if absolutely necessary.
Hopefully, however, Window Eyes will remain and be developed.  It is my
favourite of all Screen readers.

Again, thank you for the PodCast.

Cheers.


Ian Westerland







On 4/7/2017 7:16 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Interesting podcast.  Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did because
of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?).  His words were W-e will be here
for now or words to that effect.


Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more unity
(or something like that).


brenda


On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote:

Thanks for this podcast.  Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except
that
it would continue.
I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be
ready for
the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked.  I also said
that we
were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and
that
they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would
address
product concerns and rumors.  Window-Eyes is a great product and they
need
to hear from those who appreciate it.  JMO.
Rebecca
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On


Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of
window-eyes

In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed
http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3

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Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes

[Ian Westerland via Talk]

Hi everyone.  Firstly, it was good to listen to the PodCast.  There was 
a lot of information.
Now, for some comments that are not made to further stir troubled waters 
but merely to contribute to the discussion.  However, I have some 
thoughts about what might be the eventual outcome for Window Eyes.


I couldn't say that Window Eyes was discussed.
It was mentioned briefly and in a limited way.
To me, the significant words were:
"that's all I can say here."  Not only were those words spoken but the 
way they were spoken suggested that there was more to be said.  Leading 
on from that, the mention of Window Eyes only covered the free version 
that came about with the collaboration between GW-micro and Microsoft. 
Some of us have paid up front for updates through the MSA.  We still 
haven't heard what is going to happen to our investment and I haven't 
been able to get any answers here in Australia.  So, my strategy is the 
old scouting approach.  "Be prepared." The advantage in handling the 
situation this way is that, if Window Eyes is abandoned, I have learned 
a new Screen reader.  In this case, it will be NVDA and, maybe even Jaws 
if absolutely necessary.
Hopefully, however, Window Eyes will remain and be developed.  It is my 
favourite of all Screen readers.


Again, thank you for the PodCast.

Cheers.


Ian Westerland







On 4/7/2017 7:16 AM, Brenda via Talk wrote:

Interesting podcast.  Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did because
of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?).  His words were W-e will be here
for now or words to that effect.


Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more unity
(or something like that).


brenda


On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote:

Thanks for this podcast.  Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except
that
it would continue.
I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be
ready for
the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked.  I also said
that we
were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and
that
they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would
address
product concerns and rumors.  Window-Eyes is a great product and they
need
to hear from those who appreciate it.  JMO.
Rebecca
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+drlineberger=embarqmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of
window-eyes

In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed
http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3

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Re: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes

[Brenda via Talk]

Interesting podcast.  Jeff Bishop said he only said what he did because 
of the nda (nondisclosure agreement?).  His words were W-e will be here 
for now or words to that effect.



Interesting, he also said since VFO has merged that there is more unity 
(or something like that).



brenda


On 4/6/2017 11:29 AM, Rebecca Lineberger via Talk wrote:

Thanks for this podcast.  Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except that
it would continue.
I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be ready for
the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked.  I also said that we
were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and that
they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would address
product concerns and rumors.  Window-Eyes is a great product and they need
to hear from those who appreciate it.  JMO.
Rebecca
-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of
window-eyes

In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed
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RE: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes

[Rebecca Lineberger via Talk]

Thanks for this podcast.  Not much was said about Window-Eyes, except that
it would continue. 
I called VFO to ask if the current version of Window-Eyes would be ready for
the coming Windows update, and was told that it worked.  I also said that we
were feeling a bit neglected, smile, with all the talk about JAWS, and that
they needed to get information out to Window-Eyes users that would address
product concerns and rumors.  Window-Eyes is a great product and they need
to hear from those who appreciate it.  JMO.
Rebecca
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Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2017 10:30 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of
window-eyes

In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed
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Another Main Memu podcast from CSUN discussing future of window-eyes

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

In this podcast, the future of window-eyes is discussed
http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/podcast/2017-03-31.mp3

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RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree completely.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Diana Kube via Talk
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 4:12 AM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

What actual evidence exists for this rampant conjecture. I continue to get
updates for both apps and WE. I also get reply's to support requests. What I
see happening here, in the absence of any actual proof, is some people who
either have too little to do or have established a deliberate campaign to
undermine WE.

I am happy to look at any actual evidence, if anyone can provide this,  but
until then I will continue to use WE and not get myself worked up about what
may or may not happen in the future.

So if there are press releases, communications from the company, or
termination of service notices, please post them on the list so that we can
make decisions about what to do next.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2017 2:21 AM
To: Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than just
one left.

Jim


On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v 
> d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many of 
> us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the 
> longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.
> Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only one 
> still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied.  I've 
> still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine.  I 
> think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did 
> over the years and their great customer support.  I've had a few 
> dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their 
> customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was called, 
> but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me his old 
> one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the batteries run 
> clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I couldn't get any 
> help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original 
> purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even 
> work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple grand worth of 
> stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for 
> you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.
>
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
>
>> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been
>> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO 
>> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being 
>> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change 
>> where it will no longer work.
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
>>  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
>>
>>
>>  Hi Vaughan,
>>
>>  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
>>  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant 
>> in my life on a daily basis.
>>  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
>>  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and 
>> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our 
>> livelihood and are continuing to use it.
>>  In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome 
>> and annoying.
>>  This is just my feeling.
>>
>>  Respectfully,
>>
>>  Rod
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
>>  To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
>>
>>  I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
>>  point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.
>>
>>
>>  The evidence does not support on-going development.
>>
>>  Evidence includes: bugs not fi

RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Diana Kube via Talk]

What actual evidence exists for this rampant conjecture. I continue to get
updates for both apps and WE. I also get reply's to support requests. What I
see happening here, in the absence of any actual proof, is some people who
either have too little to do or have established a deliberate campaign to
undermine WE.

I am happy to look at any actual evidence, if anyone can provide this,  but
until then I will continue to use WE and not get myself worked up about what
may or may not happen in the future.

So if there are press releases, communications from the company, or
termination of service notices, please post them on the list so that we can
make decisions about what to do next.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+kube=netspace.net...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 2 April 2017 2:21 AM
To: Butch Bussen <but...@shellworld.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than just
one left.

Jim


On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
> Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v 
> d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many of 
> us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the 
> longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.
> Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only one 
> still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied.  I've 
> still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine.  I 
> think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did 
> over the years and their great customer support.  I've had a few 
> dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their 
> customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was called, 
> but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me his old 
> one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the batteries run 
> clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I couldn't get any 
> help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original 
> purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even 
> work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple grand worth of 
> stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for 
> you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.
>
> 73
> Butch
> WA0VJR
> Node 3148
> Wallace, ks.
>
>
> On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
>
>> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been
>> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO 
>> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being 
>> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change 
>> where it will no longer work.
>>  - Original Message -
>>  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
>>  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
>>  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
>>
>>
>>  Hi Vaughan,
>>
>>  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
>>  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant 
>> in my life on a daily basis.
>>  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
>>  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and 
>> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our 
>> livelihood and are continuing to use it.
>>  In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome 
>> and annoying.
>>  This is just my feeling.
>>
>>  Respectfully,
>>
>>  Rod
>>
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
>>  To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>>  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
>>
>>  I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
>>  point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.
>>
>>
>>  The evidence does not support on-going development.
>>
>>  Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
>>  Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and  
>> through other channels.
>>  The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.
>>
>>  No news  on the VFO site.
>>  The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of

RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Can you post the sorce link so we can go look at the page ourselves please?
Thanks, Sky.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 10:26 AM
To: bjn...@windstream.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

I saw on a Microsoft page where they listed the Screen Readers ready for the
Win 10 Creator it did list Window Eyes 9.5.4 as being one that is ready. At
least Microsoft is more considerate than VFO to let us know something.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brenda via Talk 
  To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 1:15 PM
  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


  Here are a few thoughts...


  The comment about window-eyes not being a going concern related back to 
  it not being a going concern of VFO not us users.  So far, it does 
  appear that VFO isn't doing much with W-e, and those of us on the list 
  are concerned.


  The listers who do not like this conversation can use their delete button.


  The conversation about the future of Window-eyes has been very helpful 
  to me as it gives me the opportunity to interract with others to process 
  events of late.  I have been able to deal with the situation and make 
  decisions on my future because of this thread and interraction with 
  listers on and off list.


  I have been depressed and stressed about the status of Window-eyes, and 
  these posts help me not to feel alone. Window-eyes was my first screen 
  reader.  It was with me down the dark tunnel of totally relying on a 
  screen reader and not visual info.  Facing the reality alone would have 
  been difficult.  I am very grateful for all listers input and comments 
  which have helped me develop a plan and positive outlook.


  Here are some sayings/phrases that have come to mind as I read this 
  thread about the future of Window-eyes


  1.  Don't bite off your nose to spite your face.

  2.  Wake up and smell the coffee

  3.  the grass is sometimes greener on the other side (when the grass on 
  your side is dry and brown)


  Take care,

  Brenda




  On 4/1/2017 12:21 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
  > Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than 
  > just one left.
  >
  > Jim
  >
  >
  > On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
  >> Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n 
  >> v d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many 
  >> of us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the 
  >> longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.  
  >> Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only 
  >> one still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. 
  >> I've still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just 
  >> fine.  I think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work 
  >> they did over the years and their great customer support. I've had a 
  >> few dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been 
  >> their customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was 
  >> called, but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me 
  >> his old one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the 
  >> batteries run clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I 
  >> couldn't get any help from freedom to get up and running again unless 
  >> the original purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" 
  >> didn't even work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple 
  >> grand worth of stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, 
  >> "more money for you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.
  >>
  >> 73
  >> Butch
  >> WA0VJR
  >> Node 3148
  >> Wallace, ks.
  >>
  >>
  >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
  >>
  >>> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 
  >>> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from 
  >>> VFO about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by 
  >>> being silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't 
  >>> change where it will no longer work.
  >>>  - Original Message -
  >>>  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  >>>  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
  >>>  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>  Hi Vaughan,
  >>>
  >>>  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
  >>>  The phrase &qu

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Don H via Talk]

If Arron Smith is still there he doesn't answer his Email.

On 4/1/2017 11:52 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

I think that I read that Aaron Smith is there.
  - Original Message -
  From: Jim via Talk
  To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:21 PM
  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


  Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than
  just one left.

  Jim


  On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
  > Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v
  > d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many of
  > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the
  > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.
  > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only one
  > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied.  I've
  > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine.  I
  > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did
  > over the years and their great customer support.  I've had a few
  > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their
  > customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was called,
  > but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me his old
  > one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the batteries run
  > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I couldn't get any
  > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original
  > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even
  > work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple grand worth of
  > stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for
  > you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.
  >
  > 73
  > Butch
  > WA0VJR
  > Node 3148
  > Wallace, ks.
  >
  >
  > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
  >
  >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been
  >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO
  >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being
  >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change
  >> where it will no longer work.
  >>  - Original Message -
  >>  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  >>  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
  >>  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>
  >>
  >>  Hi Vaughan,
  >>
  >>  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
  >>  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant
  >> in my life on a daily basis.
  >>  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
  >>  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and
  >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our
  >> livelihood and are continuing to use it.
  >>  In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome
  >> and annoying.
  >>  This is just my feeling.
  >>
  >>  Respectfully,
  >>
  >>  Rod
  >>
  >>  -Original Message-
  >>  From: Talk
  >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
  >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
  >>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
  >>  To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  >>  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>
  >>  I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
  >>  point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.
  >>
  >>
  >>  The evidence does not support on-going development.
  >>
  >>  Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
  >>  Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
  >>  through other channels.
  >>  The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.
  >>
  >>  No news  on the VFO site.
  >>  The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
  >>  This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
  >>  some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.
  >>
  >>
  >>  So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are
  >>  saying is that it is no longer a going concern.
  >>
  >>  Vaughan.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>  On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  >>  > I agree I am of th

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Loy via Talk]

I saw on a Microsoft page where they listed the Screen Readers ready for the 
Win 10 Creator it did list Window Eyes 9.5.4 as being one that is ready. At 
least Microsoft is more considerate than VFO to let us know something.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brenda via Talk 
  To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 1:15 PM
  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


  Here are a few thoughts...


  The comment about window-eyes not being a going concern related back to 
  it not being a going concern of VFO not us users.  So far, it does 
  appear that VFO isn't doing much with W-e, and those of us on the list 
  are concerned.


  The listers who do not like this conversation can use their delete button.


  The conversation about the future of Window-eyes has been very helpful 
  to me as it gives me the opportunity to interract with others to process 
  events of late.  I have been able to deal with the situation and make 
  decisions on my future because of this thread and interraction with 
  listers on and off list.


  I have been depressed and stressed about the status of Window-eyes, and 
  these posts help me not to feel alone. Window-eyes was my first screen 
  reader.  It was with me down the dark tunnel of totally relying on a 
  screen reader and not visual info.  Facing the reality alone would have 
  been difficult.  I am very grateful for all listers input and comments 
  which have helped me develop a plan and positive outlook.


  Here are some sayings/phrases that have come to mind as I read this 
  thread about the future of Window-eyes


  1.  Don't bite off your nose to spite your face.

  2.  Wake up and smell the coffee

  3.  the grass is sometimes greener on the other side (when the grass on 
  your side is dry and brown)


  Take care,

  Brenda




  On 4/1/2017 12:21 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
  > Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than 
  > just one left.
  >
  > Jim
  >
  >
  > On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
  >> Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n 
  >> v d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many 
  >> of us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the 
  >> longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.  
  >> Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only 
  >> one still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. 
  >> I've still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just 
  >> fine.  I think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work 
  >> they did over the years and their great customer support. I've had a 
  >> few dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been 
  >> their customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was 
  >> called, but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me 
  >> his old one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the 
  >> batteries run clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I 
  >> couldn't get any help from freedom to get up and running again unless 
  >> the original purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" 
  >> didn't even work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple 
  >> grand worth of stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, 
  >> "more money for you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.
  >>
  >> 73
  >> Butch
  >> WA0VJR
  >> Node 3148
  >> Wallace, ks.
  >>
  >>
  >> On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
  >>
  >>> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 
  >>> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from 
  >>> VFO about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by 
  >>> being silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't 
  >>> change where it will no longer work.
  >>>  - Original Message -
  >>>  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  >>>  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
  >>>  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>  Hi Vaughan,
  >>>
  >>>  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
  >>>  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant 
  >>> in my life on a daily basis.
  >>>  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
  >>>  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and 
  >>> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our 
  >>> livelihood

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Brenda via Talk]

yep, I found him on linkedin.  His job title is something like 
enterprise compliance.





On 4/1/2017 12:52 PM, Loy via Talk wrote:

I think that I read that Aaron Smith is there.
   - Original Message -
   From: Jim via Talk
   To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:21 PM
   Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


   Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than
   just one left.

   Jim


   On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
   > Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v
   > d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many of
   > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the
   > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.
   > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only one
   > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied.  I've
   > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine.  I
   > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did
   > over the years and their great customer support.  I've had a few
   > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their
   > customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was called,
   > but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me his old
   > one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the batteries run
   > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I couldn't get any
   > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original
   > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even
   > work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple grand worth of
   > stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for
   > you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.
   >
   > 73
   > Butch
   > WA0VJR
   > Node 3148
   > Wallace, ks.
   >
   >
   > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
   >
   >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been
   >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO
   >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being
   >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change
   >> where it will no longer work.
   >>  - Original Message -
   >>  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
   >>  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
   >>  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
   >>
   >>
   >>  Hi Vaughan,
   >>
   >>  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
   >>  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant
   >> in my life on a daily basis.
   >>  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
   >>  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and
   >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our
   >> livelihood and are continuing to use it.
   >>  In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome
   >> and annoying.
   >>  This is just my feeling.
   >>
   >>  Respectfully,
   >>
   >>  Rod
   >>
   >>  -Original Message-
   >>  From: Talk
   >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
   >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
   >>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
   >>  To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
   >> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
   >>  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
   >>
   >>  I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
   >>  point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.
   >>
   >>
   >>  The evidence does not support on-going development.
   >>
   >>  Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
   >>  Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
   >>  through other channels.
   >>  The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.
   >>
   >>  No news  on the VFO site.
   >>  The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
   >>  This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
   >>  some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.
   >>
   >>
   >>  So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are
   >>  saying is that it is no longer a going concern.
   >>
   >>  Vaughan.
   >>
   >>
  

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Brenda via Talk]

Here are a few thoughts...


The comment about window-eyes not being a going concern related back to 
it not being a going concern of VFO not us users.  So far, it does 
appear that VFO isn't doing much with W-e, and those of us on the list 
are concerned.



The listers who do not like this conversation can use their delete button.


The conversation about the future of Window-eyes has been very helpful 
to me as it gives me the opportunity to interract with others to process 
events of late.  I have been able to deal with the situation and make 
decisions on my future because of this thread and interraction with 
listers on and off list.



I have been depressed and stressed about the status of Window-eyes, and 
these posts help me not to feel alone. Window-eyes was my first screen 
reader.  It was with me down the dark tunnel of totally relying on a 
screen reader and not visual info.  Facing the reality alone would have 
been difficult.  I am very grateful for all listers input and comments 
which have helped me develop a plan and positive outlook.



Here are some sayings/phrases that have come to mind as I read this 
thread about the future of Window-eyes



1.  Don't bite off your nose to spite your face.

2.  Wake up and smell the coffee

3.  the grass is sometimes greener on the other side (when the grass on 
your side is dry and brown)



Take care,

Brenda




On 4/1/2017 12:21 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than 
just one left.


Jim


On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n 
v d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many 
of us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the 
longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.  
Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only 
one still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied. 
I've still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just 
fine.  I think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work 
they did over the years and their great customer support. I've had a 
few dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been 
their customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was 
called, but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me 
his old one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the 
batteries run clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I 
couldn't get any help from freedom to get up and running again unless 
the original purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" 
didn't even work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple 
grand worth of stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, 
"more money for you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:

I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 
9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from 
VFO about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by 
being silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't 
change where it will no longer work.

 - Original Message -
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk
 To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
 Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


 Hi Vaughan,

 I believe it is a matter of semantics.
 The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant 
in my life on a daily basis.

 For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
 Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and 
many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our 
livelihood and are continuing to use it.
 In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion 
tiresome and annoying.

 This is just my feeling.

 Respectfully,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk

 Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
 To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion 
List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

 Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

 I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
 point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.


 The evidence does not support on-going development.

 Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
 Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
 through other channels.
 The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its 
offices.


 No news  on the VFO site.
 The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW 
interface.

 This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
 some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Loy via Talk]

I think that I read that Aaron Smith is there.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jim via Talk 
  To: Butch Bussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 12:21 PM
  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


  Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than 
  just one left.

  Jim


  On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
  > Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v 
  > d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many of 
  > us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the 
  > longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.  
  > Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only one 
  > still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied.  I've 
  > still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine.  I 
  > think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did 
  > over the years and their great customer support.  I've had a few 
  > dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their 
  > customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was called, 
  > but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me his old 
  > one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the batteries run 
  > clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I couldn't get any 
  > help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original 
  > purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even 
  > work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple grand worth of 
  > stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for 
  > you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.
  >
  > 73
  > Butch
  > WA0VJR
  > Node 3148
  > Wallace, ks.
  >
  >
  > On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:
  >
  >> I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 
  >> 9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO 
  >> about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being 
  >> silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change 
  >> where it will no longer work.
  >>  - Original Message -
  >>  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  >>  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
  >>  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>
  >>
  >>  Hi Vaughan,
  >>
  >>  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
  >>  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant 
  >> in my life on a daily basis.
  >>  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
  >>  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and 
  >> many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our 
  >> livelihood and are continuing to use it.
  >>  In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome 
  >> and annoying.
  >>  This is just my feeling.
  >>
  >>  Respectfully,
  >>
  >>  Rod
  >>
  >>  -Original Message-
  >>  From: Talk 
  >> [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
  >> Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
  >>  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
  >>  To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  >> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  >>  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>
  >>  I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
  >>  point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.
  >>
  >>
  >>  The evidence does not support on-going development.
  >>
  >>  Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
  >>  Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
  >>  through other channels.
  >>  The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.
  >>
  >>  No news  on the VFO site.
  >>  The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
  >>  This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
  >>  some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.
  >>
  >>
  >>  So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are
  >>  saying is that it is no longer a going concern.
  >>
  >>  Vaughan.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>  On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  >>  > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement 
  >> from someone
  >>  > at VF

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Jim via Talk]

Correvtion, I talked to Dave about two seek ago so there is more than 
just one left.


Jim


On 01-Apr-17 11:59, Butch Bussen via Talk wrote:
Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v 
d a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many of 
us out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the 
longer they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.  
Why on earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only one 
still there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied.  I've 
still got systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine.  I 
think many of us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did 
over the years and their great customer support.  I've had a few 
dealings with Freedom in the past and my experience has been their 
customer support was terrible.  I forget what the thing was called, 
but was a note taker with gps and all that.  A friend gave me his old 
one as the v a bought him a new one.  He had let the batteries run 
clear down, and the thing lost all of its marbles.  I couldn't get any 
help from freedom to get up and running again unless the original 
purchaser contacted them, and the "original purchaser" didn't even 
work for the v a any more.  I finally threw a couple grand worth of 
stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps song went, "more money for 
you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:

I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 
9 months since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO 
about WE.They are not being honest with all the WE users by being 
silent. I will continue to use WE as long as Windows doesn't change 
where it will no longer work.

 - Original Message -
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk
 To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
 Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


 Hi Vaughan,

 I believe it is a matter of semantics.
 The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant 
in my life on a daily basis.

 For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
 Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and 
many others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our 
livelihood and are continuing to use it.
 In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome 
and annoying.

 This is just my feeling.

 Respectfully,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk

 Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
 To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

 Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

 I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
 point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.


 The evidence does not support on-going development.

 Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
 Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
 through other channels.
 The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.

 No news  on the VFO site.
 The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
 This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
 some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.


 So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are
 saying is that it is no longer a going concern.

 Vaughan.



 On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
 > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement 
from someone
 > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to 
think it's

 > a option.
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

 > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
 > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
 > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
 >
 >   Hi there!
 >
 > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going 
away?
 > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and 
until I
 > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I 
am getting
 > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over 
and over.  I
 > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I 
just want
 > to see where all this so called information is actually coming 
from..?  Have

 > A Great Day! de
 >
 > .
 >
 >
 > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
 >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice 
bridge to
 >> sell you.  It is called the Golden Gat

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Butch Bussen via Talk]

Personally, I won't buy jaws.  If WE becomes unuseable, I'll go to n v d 
a.  I've donated to them before and will do so again.  How many of us 
out there have unfulfilled s m a's?  The longer they delay, the longer 
they can put off refunding any money or giving us something.  Why on 
earth would they develop and sell two screen readers?  Only one still 
there from the gw days is Doug, and his hands are tied.  I've still got 
systems running xp and those run window-eyes just fine.  I think many of 
us forget to give GW credit for the fine work they did over the years 
and their great customer support.  I've had a few dealings with Freedom 
in the past and my experience has been their customer support was 
terrible.  I forget what the thing was called, but was a note taker with 
gps and all that.  A friend gave me his old one as the v a bought him a 
new one.  He had let the batteries run clear down, and the thing lost 
all of its marbles.  I couldn't get any help from freedom to get up and 
running again unless the original purchaser contacted them, and the 
"original purchaser" didn't even work for the v a any more.  I finally 
threw a couple grand worth of stuff in the dumpster.  As the old 4 preps 
song went, "more money for you and me."  No jaws for me at any price.


73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On 
Sat, 1 Apr 2017, Loy via Talk wrote:



I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 9 months 
since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO about WE.They are 
not being honest with all the WE users by being silent. I will continue to use 
WE as long as Windows doesn't change where it will no longer work.
 - Original Message -
 From: Rod Hutton via Talk
 To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
 Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


 Hi Vaughan,

 I believe it is a matter of semantics.
 The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant in my life 
on a daily basis.
 For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
 Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and many others 
on this this, depend on this screen reader for our livelihood and are 
continuing to use it.
 In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome and 
annoying.
 This is just my feeling.

 Respectfully,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
 To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
 Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

 I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
 point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.


 The evidence does not support on-going development.

 Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
 Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
 through other channels.
 The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.

 No news  on the VFO site.
 The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
 This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
 some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.


 So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are
 saying is that it is no longer a going concern.

 Vaughan.



 On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
 > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone
 > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's
 > a option.
 >
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
 > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
 > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
 > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
 >
 >   Hi there!
 >
 > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away?
 > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I
 > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting
 > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over.  I
 > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want
 > to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..?  Have
 > A Great Day! de
 >
 > .
 >
 >
 > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
 >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to
 >> sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.
 >>
 >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
 >>> We don't know WE is going away.
 >>>
 >>>

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Larry Higgins via Talk]

Oh yeah!, you think they aren't being honest with us? I submit that they 
are certainly being quite honest, in a somewhat peculiar fashion. I 
think that their honest intent is to continue to ignore us, and 
therefore humiliate us. You know that the greatest form of humiliation 
is to be ignored, don't you?


The only product I ever bought from these people was Openbook, and that 
was due to the fact that I had bought OB long before HJ bought it way 
back when, but I'll be damned if I will ever consider buying another 
product from this bunch of cutthroats ever again.


Nuff said!

Larry


On 4/1/2017 9:26 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 9 months 
since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO about WE.They are 
not being honest with all the WE users by being silent. I will continue to use 
WE as long as Windows doesn't change where it will no longer work.
  - Original Message -
  From: Rod Hutton via Talk
  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


  Hi Vaughan,

  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant in my 
life on a daily basis.
  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and many 
others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our livelihood and are 
continuing to use it.
  In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome and 
annoying.
  This is just my feeling.

  Respectfully,

  Rod

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
  To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

  I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the
  point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.


  The evidence does not support on-going development.

  Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
  Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and
  through other channels.
  The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.

  No news  on the VFO site.
  The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
  This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it,
  some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.


  So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are
  saying is that it is no longer a going concern.

  Vaughan.



  On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone
  > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's
  > a option.
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
  > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
  > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >
  >   Hi there!
  >
  > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away?
  > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I
  > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting
  > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over.  I
  > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want
  > to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..?  Have
  > A Great Day! de
  >
  > .
  >
  >
  > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
  >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to
  >> sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.
  >>
  >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  >>> We don't know WE is going away.
  >>>
  >>> -Original Message-
  >>> From: Talk
  >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  >>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
  >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
  >>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>>
  >>> Hi Sky and List
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and
  >>> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Loy via Talk]

I agree, I depend on WE every day and I can't afford JAWS. It's been 9 months 
since the acquisition of AISquared and not one word from VFO about WE.They are 
not being honest with all the WE users by being silent. I will continue to use 
WE as long as Windows doesn't change where it will no longer work.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rod Hutton via Talk 
  To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 7:58 AM
  Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes


  Hi Vaughan,

  I believe it is a matter of semantics.
  The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant in my 
life on a daily basis.
  For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
  Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and many 
others on this this, depend on this screen reader for our livelihood and are 
continuing to use it.
  In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome and 
annoying.
  This is just my feeling.

  Respectfully,

  Rod

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
  Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
  To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
  Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

  I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the 
  point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.


  The evidence does not support on-going development.

  Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
  Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and 
  through other channels.
  The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.

  No news  on the VFO site.
  The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
  This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it, 
  some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.


  So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are 
  saying is that it is no longer a going concern.

  Vaughan.



  On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  > I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone
  > at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's
  > a option.
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  > On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
  > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
  > To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  > Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >
  >   Hi there!
  >
  > Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away?
  > I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I
  > do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting
  > rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over.  I
  > do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want
  > to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..?  Have
  > A Great Day! de
  >
  > .
  >
  >
  > On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
  >> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to
  >> sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.
  >>
  >> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
  >>> We don't know WE is going away.
  >>>
  >>> -Original Message-
  >>> From: Talk
  >>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
  >>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
  >>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
  >>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
  >>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
  >>>
  >>> Hi Sky and List
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and
  >>> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws.
  >>> The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs
  >>> would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be
  >>> put toward the cost of jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention
  >>> price for jaws.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> Just a thought,
  >>>
  >>> Brenda
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
  >>>> Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind
  >>>> organisations had given Window-Eyes 

RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Vaughan,

I believe it is a matter of semantics.
The phrase "not a going concern," to me, implies it is not relevant in my life 
on a daily basis.
For me, this is not true, since I use it every day.
Personally, I find this type of language discouraging since I, and many others 
on this this, depend on this screen reader for our livelihood and are 
continuing to use it.
In addition, and, again, personally, I find this discussion tiresome and 
annoying.
This is just my feeling.

Respectfully,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 4:02 AM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the 
point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.


The evidence does not support on-going development.

Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and 
through other channels.
The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.

No news  on the VFO site.
The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it, 
some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.


So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are 
saying is that it is no longer a going concern.

Vaughan.



On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone
> at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's
> a option.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
> To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
>
>   Hi there!
>
> Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away?
> I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I
> do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting
> rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over.  I
> do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want
> to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..?  Have
> A Great Day! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
>> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to
>> sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.
>>
>> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>>> We don't know WE is going away.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
>>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
>>>
>>> Hi Sky and List
>>>
>>>
>>> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and
>>> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws.
>>> The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs
>>> would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be
>>> put toward the cost of jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention
>>> price for jaws.
>>>
>>>
>>> Just a thought,
>>>
>>> Brenda
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind
>>>> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not
>>>> have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm
>>>> going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is
>>>> on this list, and I support him 100 percent!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Email 1:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Sky,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you
>>>> said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on
>>>> favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be
&

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

I think it will still be an option - but some of you are missing the 
point: it is no longer a practical option for many people.



The evidence does not support on-going development.

Evidence includes: bugs not fixed
Loss of personnel who interacted with the users via this list and 
through other channels.

The Fort Wayne office is not part of the VFO addresses for its offices.

No news  on the VFO site.
The disestablishemngt of Zoomtext Fusion, in favour of a JFW interface.
This list is not monitored by VFO.  It VFO was paying attentiont it, 
some of the claims made by people like me would be challenged.



So: no one is saying stop using your copy of Window-Eyes.  All we are 
saying is that it is no longer a going concern.


Vaughan.



On 4/1/2017 8:52 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone
at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's
a option.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

  Hi there!

Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away?
I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I
do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting
rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over.  I
do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want
to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..?  Have
A Great Day! de

.


On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:

If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to
sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.

On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

We don't know WE is going away.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Hi Sky and List


I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.


I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and
push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws.
The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs
would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be
put toward the cost of jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention
price for jaws.


Just a thought,

Brenda


On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind
organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not
have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm
going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is
on this list, and I support him 100 percent!




Email 1:

Hi Sky,



Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you
said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on
favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be
almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These
people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The
entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other
screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded
withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but
actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and
despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen?
Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry organisation set
out to control the world of the blind with a screen reader? If
people would back us up and not just say that is what happened
without saying I can prove it. To be able to prove it would be the
icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, evil people at jaws who
abused their power and in a way forced vendors to favour jaws above
other screen readers. If enough people were prepared to come out and
back us up we would have enough to at least make

those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility.



I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true
would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a
Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with

no teeth.

Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major
money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining.
They have some power but it is only token gesture.



There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He
will be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media
cdompanies. He owns the majority of the world's media and his
control is beyond anything that the world has seen

RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree I am of the same thought process until an announcement from someone
at VFO says there will be no more window eyes I will continue to think it's
a option.  

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Jim via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 8:38 PM
To: Don H; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

 Hi there!

Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away? 
I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until I
do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am getting
rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over and over.  I
do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this subject I just want
to see where all this so called information is actually coming from..?  Have
A Great Day! de

.


On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
> If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to 
> sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.
>
> On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>> We don't know WE is going away.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
>> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
>>
>> Hi Sky and List
>>
>>
>> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.
>>
>>
>> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and 
>> push for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. 
>> The number of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs 
>> would be given jaws SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be 
>> put toward the cost of jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention 
>> price for jaws.
>>
>>
>> Just a thought,
>>
>> Brenda
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>>> Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind 
>>> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not 
>>> have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm 
>>> going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is 
>>> on this list, and I support him 100 percent!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Email 1:
>>>
>>> Hi Sky,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you 
>>> said, had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on 
>>> favoured window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be 
>>> almost extinct at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These 
>>> people are somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The 
>>> entire system has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other 
>>> screen reader has become second rate because of the power wielded 
>>> withing the blind community. It's alright us saying this but 
>>> actually proving it is another matter. If it could be proved and 
>>> despite all the negativity, it could. Then what could happen? 
>>> Telling the world about how a ruthless power hungry organisation set 
>>> out to control the world of the blind with a screen reader? If 
>>> people would back us up and not just say that is what happened 
>>> without saying I can prove it. To be able to prove it would be the 
>>> icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, evil people at jaws who 
>>> abused their power and in a way forced vendors to favour jaws above 
>>> other screen readers. If enough people were prepared to come out and 
>>> back us up we would have enough to at least make
>> those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true 
>>> would be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a 
>>> Mergers and nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with
no teeth.
>>> Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major 
>>> money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining.
>>> They have some power but it is only token gesture.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He 
>>> will be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Jim via Talk]

Hi there!

Question, what is the source of your information about W.E. going away? 
I have seen nothing official from anyone regarding this issue and until 
I do, I will continue to believe that W.E. is ALIVE and KICKING! I am 
getting rather tire of seeing this same old topic being brought up over 
and over.  I do not wish to start any sort of heated debate on this 
subject I just want to see where all this so called information is 
actually coming from..?  Have A Great Day! de


.


On 31-Mar-17 11:12, Don H via Talk wrote:
If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to 
sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.


On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

We don't know WE is going away.

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Hi Sky and List


I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.


I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and 
push
for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws. The 
number
of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be 
given jaws

SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of
jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws.


Just a thought,

Brenda


On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind
organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not
have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm
going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on
this list, and I support him 100 percent!




Email 1:

Hi Sky,



Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said,
had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured
window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct
at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are
somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system
has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader
has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind
community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is
another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity,
it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a
ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the
blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just
say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to
prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten,
evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors
to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were
prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least 
make

those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility.




I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would
be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and
nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth.
Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major
money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining.
They have some power but it is only token gesture.



There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will
be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He
owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond
anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't
own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as
jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind.



If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what
we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a
petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called
institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do
very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and
always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a corrupt and

overbearing system.





Email 2:




From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: window eyes proposal

Hi Sky,

I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but
really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech podcast.
~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws
users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text and
fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. Not a VFO idea. I
did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I was
right. They are going to unceremoniously dump window

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Brenda via Talk]

I too was hoping Window-Eyes would become a part of Microsoft. I'm 
wondering if the powers that be at Microsoft were not ready to deal with 
accessibility or maybe they thought they could do it themselves and 
didn't need GW Micro.  Whatever the case, things are as they are.  
Whether it is because of my visual impairment or not, I don't like 
change and suspect others have issues with change.  Nonetheless, change 
we must.



Brenda


On 3/31/2017 4:22 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
Pam: I was amongst those who believed that possibility - for whatever 
reason it hasn't happened.




On 4/1/2017 3:22 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
When they did the free office offer, I thought that was what was in 
the process of happening: Microsoft purchasing window eyes to 
incorporate into windows, or, at least, making some kind of a deal 
with them.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:40 PM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

I have said it before I don't know why Microsoft didn't just purchase
Window Eyes and incorporate it into windows.  GW had to have been in
serious finical trouble for letting AISquared purchase them when in fact
AIsquared must have been in trouble themselves for VFO having the
ability to purchase them.  I just have to think that Doug has to be
feeling really bad for how Window Eyes is going from the best screen
reader to the non existing one.

On 3/30/2017 8:18 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:

I'm usually able to grasp why Companies do what they do, but I've never
understood, from a Fiscal point of view, why GW Micro chose to give a
Free copy of Window Eyes to any Registered MS Office user.

Perhaps they had a deal with Microsoft to  receive a "Royalty" of some
kind for every person who took them up on the offer?  If this were 
true,
GW Micro must have been suffering some rough financial times, 
because for

every person taking advantage of the offer, would drain the number of
possible full paying customers.Maybe they were taking a Gamble and
thought because  Window Eyes would be Free for MS Office owners, just
maybe some Government agencies would start steering clients towards
Window Eyes, instead of paying $1100 for JAWS?

I don't know.  Never been able to make sense of it.


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Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Pam: I was amongst those who believed that possibility - for whatever 
reason it hasn't happened.




On 4/1/2017 3:22 AM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
When they did the free office offer, I thought that was what was in 
the process of happening: Microsoft purchasing window eyes to 
incorporate into windows, or, at least, making some kind of a deal 
with them.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Don H via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:40 PM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

I have said it before I don't know why Microsoft didn't just purchase
Window Eyes and incorporate it into windows.  GW had to have been in
serious finical trouble for letting AISquared purchase them when in fact
AIsquared must have been in trouble themselves for VFO having the
ability to purchase them.  I just have to think that Doug has to be
feeling really bad for how Window Eyes is going from the best screen
reader to the non existing one.

On 3/30/2017 8:18 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:

I'm usually able to grasp why Companies do what they do, but I've never
understood, from a Fiscal point of view, why GW Micro chose to give a
Free copy of Window Eyes to any Registered MS Office user.

Perhaps they had a deal with Microsoft to  receive a "Royalty" of some
kind for every person who took them up on the offer?  If this were true,
GW Micro must have been suffering some rough financial times, because 
for

every person taking advantage of the offer, would drain the number of
possible full paying customers.Maybe they were taking a Gamble and
thought because  Window Eyes would be Free for MS Office owners, just
maybe some Government agencies would start steering clients towards
Window Eyes, instead of paying $1100 for JAWS?

I don't know.  Never been able to make sense of it.


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Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

I think the stability matter is definitely a consideration.  My 
perspective is that we have to thank Microsoft and Windows for some of 
this.  Also: JAWS has become so large, with lots of coplexities, that it 
sometyimes seems to me that things have been bolted on to it.



At work, after a few days of continuous use, it is slightly better than 
Window-Eyes; here at home it is a great deal better. Different 
processors, general pc configurations etc.  Hard to compare apples with 
oranges across multiple installations.



Best.



Vaughan.






On 3/31/2017 11:52 PM, Steve Nutt via Talk wrote:

Hi Vaughan,

To a point, I agree with you.  However, I have been deliberately using JAWS
18 this week as opposed to Window-Eyes, and it is far less stable.

So while it would be difficult to continue using Window-Eyes, should it not
get updated, JAWS is really quite an unstable mess with some programs.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: 30 March 2017 21:03
To: 'bjn...@windstream.net' <bjn...@windstream.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Agree with the below.

How many people took up my suggestion, shared with the list, of drawing your
concerns to the Chief Executive, or someone appropriately senior who can
make decisions of the type which Brenda has suggested.

I've personally gone past being sentimental  about Window-eyes.  It is not a
work In progress anymore from my standpoint, and in free countries - people
can choose to stand on principle or be pragmatic and make best use of the
tools available.

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Friday, 31 March 2017 6:26 a.m.
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Hi Sky and List


I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.


I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push
for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws.  The number
of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws
SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of
jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws.


Just a thought,

Brenda


On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind
organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not
have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm
going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on
this list, and I support him 100 percent!




Email 1:

Hi Sky,



Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said,
had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured
window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct
at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are
somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system
has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader
has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind
community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is
another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity,
it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a
ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the
blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just
say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to
prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten,
evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors
to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were
prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make

those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility.



I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would
be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and
nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth.
Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major
money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining.
They have some power but it is only token gesture.



There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will
be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He
owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond
anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't
own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as
jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind.



If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and 

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Don H via Talk]

If you think Window Eyes isn't going away I also have a nice bridge to 
sell you.  It is called the Golden Gate and I will sell it real cheap.


On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

We don't know WE is going away.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Hi Sky and List


I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.


I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push
for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws.  The number
of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws
SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of
jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws.


Just a thought,

Brenda


On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind
organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not
have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm
going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on
this list, and I support him 100 percent!




Email 1:

Hi Sky,



Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said,
had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured
window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct
at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are
somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system
has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader
has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind
community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is
another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity,
it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a
ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the
blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just
say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to
prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten,
evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors
to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were
prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make

those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility.




I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would
be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and
nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth.
Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major
money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining.
They have some power but it is only token gesture.



There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will
be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He
owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond
anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't
own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as
jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind.



If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what
we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a
petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called
institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do
very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and
always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a corrupt and

overbearing system.





Email 2:




From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: window eyes proposal

Hi Sky,

I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but
really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech podcast.
~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws
users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text and
fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. Not a VFO idea. I
did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I was
right. They are going to unceremoniously dump window-eyes. No new
updadtes, no upgrades, nothing, no development. The list really has to
do something at this stage. We really have to get together and make
sure VFO are aware of our feelings. Everyone who has paid for sma's
are now entitled to a full refund, no questions asked. No development
means no upgrades, no upgrades equals no need for sma's. No sma's means

they are stealing our money under false pretences.


This time things have gone too far. Something has to be done, whether
it is a petition, legal action to force VFO to state

Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Pamela Dominguez via Talk]

When they did the free office offer, I thought that was what was in the 
process of happening: Microsoft purchasing window eyes to incorporate into 
windows, or, at least, making some kind of a deal with them.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: Don H via Talk

Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:40 PM
To: Dave ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

I have said it before I don't know why Microsoft didn't just purchase
Window Eyes and incorporate it into windows.  GW had to have been in
serious finical trouble for letting AISquared purchase them when in fact
AIsquared must have been in trouble themselves for VFO having the
ability to purchase them.  I just have to think that Doug has to be
feeling really bad for how Window Eyes is going from the best screen
reader to the non existing one.

On 3/30/2017 8:18 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:

I'm usually able to grasp why Companies do what they do, but I've never
understood, from a Fiscal point of view, why GW Micro chose to give a
Free copy of Window Eyes to any Registered MS Office user.

Perhaps they had a deal with Microsoft to  receive a "Royalty" of some
kind for every person who took them up on the offer?  If this were true,
GW Micro must have been suffering some rough financial times, because for
every person taking advantage of the offer, would drain the number of
possible full paying customers.Maybe they were taking a Gamble and
thought because  Window Eyes would be Free for MS Office owners, just
maybe some Government agencies would start steering clients towards
Window Eyes, instead of paying $1100 for JAWS?

I don't know.  Never been able to make sense of it.


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Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Singing Sparrow via Talk]

from what i  heard from an employee from VFO window eyes developement  
and other resources will be drastically stopped the efforts will be 
going towards Jaws and Zoomtext



On 3/31/2017 12:59 AM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

We don't know WE is going away.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Hi Sky and List


I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.


I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push
for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws.  The number
of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws
SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of
jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws.


Just a thought,

Brenda


On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:

Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind
organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not
have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm
going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on
this list, and I support him 100 percent!




Email 1:

Hi Sky,
   

   
Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said,

had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured
window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct
at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are
somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system
has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader
has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind
community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is
another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity,
it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a
ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the
blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just
say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to
prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten,
evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors
to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were
prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make

those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility.
   

   
I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would

be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and
nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth.
Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major
money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining.
They have some power but it is only token gesture.
   

   
There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will

be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He
owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond
anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't
own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as
jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind.
   

   
If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what

we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a
petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called
institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do
very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and
always be part of the history of blind peoples lives in a corrupt and

overbearing system.
 




Email 2:




From: bj colt [mailto:bjc...@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 6:34 AM
To: Sky Mundell
Subject: Re: window eyes proposal

Hi Sky,
   
I listened to the podcast from scun. I am not only disgusted but

really pissed off at VFO and with the presenters at the tech podcast.
~Why aren't they kicking up hell? Probably because they are jaws
users. I got that impression just by their attitude. Zoom text and
fusion was an AI squared and window-eyes conception. Not a VFO idea. I
did say that's why they bought out ai squared and it seems I was
right. They are going to unceremoniously dump window-eyes. No new
updadtes, no upgrades, nothing, no development. The list really has to
do something at this stage. We really have to get together and make
sure VFO are aware of our feelings. Everyone who has paid for sma's
are now entitled to a full refund, no questions asked. No development
means no upgrades, no upgrades equals no need for sma's. No sma's means

they are stealing our money under false pretences.
   
This time things have gone too far

RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Vaughan,

I really doubt that Window-Eyes  really needs much tweaking anymore in order to 
stay current.
Windows 10 isn't changing much.

Best,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 5:06 AM
To: Dennis Long <dennisl1...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

It won't go away so long as people have copies.

However: is it being developed? Is it ready for the numerous challenges 
as technology and access to it goes through a whole range of 
transformations and innovations?

Vaughan.


Vaughan.



On 3/31/2017 6:59 PM, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> We don't know WE is going away.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 1:26 PM
> To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes
>
> Hi Sky and List
>
>
> I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.
>
>
> I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push
> for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws.  The number
> of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws
> SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of
> jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws.
>
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Brenda
>
>
> On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
>> Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind
>> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not
>> have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm
>> going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on
>> this list, and I support him 100 percent!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Email 1:
>>
>> Hi Sky,
>>
>> 
>>
>> Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said,
>> had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured
>> window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct
>> at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are
>> somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system
>> has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader
>> has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind
>> community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is
>> another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity,
>> it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a
>> ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the
>> blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just
>> say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to
>> prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten,
>> evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors
>> to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were
>> prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make
> those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility.
>>
>> 
>>
>> I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would
>> be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and
>> nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth.
>> Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major
>> money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining.
>> They have some power but it is only token gesture.
>>
>> 
>>
>> There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will
>> be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He
>> owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond
>> anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't
>> own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as
>> jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind.
>>
>> 
>>
>> If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what
>> we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a
>> petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called
>> institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do
>> very much but at le

RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Vaughan,

To a point, I agree with you.  However, I have been deliberately using JAWS
18 this week as opposed to Window-Eyes, and it is far less stable.

So while it would be difficult to continue using Window-Eyes, should it not
get updated, JAWS is really quite an unstable mess with some programs.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+steve=comproom.co...@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: 30 March 2017 21:03
To: 'bjn...@windstream.net' <bjn...@windstream.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Agree with the below.

How many people took up my suggestion, shared with the list, of drawing your
concerns to the Chief Executive, or someone appropriately senior who can
make decisions of the type which Brenda has suggested.

I've personally gone past being sentimental  about Window-eyes.  It is not a
work In progress anymore from my standpoint, and in free countries - people
can choose to stand on principle or be pragmatic and make best use of the
tools available.

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Friday, 31 March 2017 6:26 a.m.
To: Sky Mundell; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: orbit20 display and future of window eyes

Hi Sky and List


I think it is beyond the point of saving Window-Eyes.


I think what folks on this list need to do now is to contact VFO and push
for a reasonable price to transition from Window-Eyes to jaws.  The number
of SMAs should be considered so perhaps those with SMAs would be given jaws
SMAs or the money paid toward their SMAs would be put toward the cost of
jaws.  Everyone should be given the convention price for jaws.


Just a thought,

Brenda


On 3/30/2017 12:38 PM, Sky Mundell via Talk wrote:
> Hello Kevin and Vaughn.  Here are my thoughts on this. Had the blind 
> organisations had given Window-Eyes a chance,  Window-Eyes would not 
> have gotten extinct and this would not have happened.  Below, I'm 
> going to forward you guys some emails from a friend of mine who is on 
> this list, and I support him 100 percent!
>
>
>
>
> Email 1:
>
> Hi Sky,
>
>
>
> Sadly that has been the way it has been since the start. As you said, 
> had the rnib, cnib, american league for th blind and so on favoured 
> window-eyes or even given it a chance. It would not be almost extinct 
> at this moment in time. It does make me angry. These people are 
> somehow escaping accountability for their acdtions. The entire system 
> has been geared towards Jaws continually. Every other screen reader 
> has become second rate because of the power wielded withing the blind 
> community. It's alright us saying this but actually proving it is 
> another matter. If it could be proved and despite all the negativity, 
> it could. Then what could happen? Telling the world about how a 
> ruthless power hungry organisation set out to control the world of the 
> blind with a screen reader? If people would back us up and not just 
> say that is what happened without saying I can prove it. To be able to 
> prove it would be the icing on the cake. It would show the rotten, 
> evil people at jaws who abused their power and in a way forced vendors 
> to favour jaws above other screen readers. If enough people were 
> prepared to come out and back us up we would have enough to at least make
those responcible for the blind to wake up and accept responcibility.
>
>
>
> I doubt that will ever happen as proving what we know to be true would 
> be difficult. Not impossible. We do have what is called a Mergers and 
> nonopoly commission but it too is being seen as a dog with no teeth.
> Although it blocked a merger a few days ago between the two major 
> money markets, one in London and the other in @Germany from combining.
> They have some power but it is only token gesture.
>
>
>
> There is a proposed merger between Rupert Murdoch and Sky tv. He will 
> be allowed to buy it despite criticism from other media cdompanies. He 
> owns the majority of the world's media and his control is beyond 
> anything that the world has seen before. There isn't much he doesn't 
> own and his political power is immeanse. That is the exact same as 
> jaws, the rnib, cnib and other organisations for the blind.
>
>
>
> If it could be possible for witnesses to come forward and confirm what 
> we are saying. That would be at least a start. We could get up a 
> petition expressing our opinion of the bullying from these so called 
> institutions for the blind. bringing them to account. It may not do 
> very much but at least it would rock the boat for a short time and 
> always be pa