Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Dave via Talk]

  Kevin, you just did, and have been for a while.  You are 
Amazing!

Grumpy Dave


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Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Kevin Huber via Talk]

Hi Peter:

I think you have to hand it to Donald Trump.  It is an amazing feat of
agility to be able to actually walk around with one, sometimes both
feet in his mouth. (grin)
I'll bet you can't do that, Of course, Neither can I.
Kevin Huber

On 5/17/17, Peter Duran via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But,
> why couldn’t most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks
> figure that out for yourselves?
>
> That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by
> independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as
> well as stupid people embrace “fake news” with equal relish.  Why is that?
>
> Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is “doing a good job”
> in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and
> that Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.
>
> It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately
> half of the population, in any given community at any given time, will
> believe “crazy stuff” if asserted by a “figure of authority”.
>
> Peter Duran
>
>
>
>
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Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Joe Sontag via Talk]

Agreed!
- Original Message - 
From: "Robert Ringwald via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
To: <wohlg...@gmail.com>; "Window-Eyes Discussion List" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 13:43
Subject: Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!


> This is not a political List. Please stop the political comments. Take 
> them off-list.
>
> -Bob Ringwald
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Jim via Talk
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:09 AM
> To: David Moore ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> I hate to tell you this, but if you believe that Trump is any more
> honest than Hillary is then I can sell you some prime ocean front
> property in Topeka KS!<SMILE!>. Have A Good 1! de
>
> .
>
> On 19-May-17 01:45, David Moore via Talk wrote:
>> That is funny about Trump LOL!
>> Well, I always say that even intelligent people believe what they hear 
>> way too much without searching it for themselves. It has always amazed me 
>> just how gullible people really are LOL! People give money to crazy diets 
>> and the like. You can learn more concerning just about anything just by 
>> researching it yourself. You can save a lot of money. I found out about 
>> free NVDA screen reader, and I use it half of the time, now, with JAWS, 
>> but I am using JAWS less and less. Thinking with the Brain God gave you 
>> sure pays off sometimes LOL!
>> David Moore
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>> From: Shannon via Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:52 PM
>> To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> Thanks for that! I had to laugh at the Hillary comment. And I'm not 
>> taking it offensively or any other way just thought it was funny.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 18, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Loy via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Window Eyes is not dead, it was resurrected in the form of JAWS. And some 
>> people still think that Hillary was honest and upright.
>>   - Original Message -
>>   From: Peter Duran via Talk
>>   To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>   Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:09 AM
>>   Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>>
>>   Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead! 
>> But, why couldn’t most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) 
>> folks figure that out for yourselves?
>>
>>   That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by 
>> independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people 
>> as well as stupid people embrace “fake news” with equal relish.  Why 
>> is that?
>>
>>   Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is “doing a 
>> good job” in spite of the fact that nothing has been really 
>> accomplished so far and that Trump apparently has no clue about the facts 
>> at hand.
>>
>>   It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why 
>> approximately half of the population, in any given community at any given 
>> time, will believe “crazy stuff” if asserted by a “figure of 
>> authority”.
>>
>>   Peter Duran
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Robert Ringwald via Talk]

This is not a political List. Please stop the political comments. Take them 
off-list.


-Bob Ringwald


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:09 AM
To: David Moore ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

I hate to tell you this, but if you believe that Trump is any more
honest than Hillary is then I can sell you some prime ocean front
property in Topeka KS!<SMILE!>. Have A Good 1! de

.

On 19-May-17 01:45, David Moore via Talk wrote:

That is funny about Trump LOL!
Well, I always say that even intelligent people believe what they hear way 
too much without searching it for themselves. It has always amazed me just 
how gullible people really are LOL! People give money to crazy diets and 
the like. You can learn more concerning just about anything just by 
researching it yourself. You can save a lot of money. I found out about 
free NVDA screen reader, and I use it half of the time, now, with JAWS, 
but I am using JAWS less and less. Thinking with the Brain God gave you 
sure pays off sometimes LOL!

David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Shannon via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:52 PM
To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Thanks for that! I had to laugh at the Hillary comment. And I'm not taking 
it offensively or any other way just thought it was funny.


Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Loy via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:


Window Eyes is not dead, it was resurrected in the form of JAWS. And some 
people still think that Hillary was honest and upright.

  - Original Message -
  From: Peter Duran via Talk
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:09 AM
  Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!


  Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead! 
But, why couldn’t most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) 
folks figure that out for yourselves?


  That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by 
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people 
as well as stupid people embrace “fake news” with equal relish.  Why is 
that?


  Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is “doing a good 
job” in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far 
and that Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.


  It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why 
approximately half of the population, in any given community at any given 
time, will believe “crazy stuff” if asserted by a “figure of authority”.


  Peter Duran





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Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Jim via Talk]

I hate to tell you this, but if you believe that Trump is any more 
honest than Hillary is then I can sell you some prime ocean front 
property in Topeka KS!<SMILE!>. Have A Good 1! de


.

On 19-May-17 01:45, David Moore via Talk wrote:

That is funny about Trump LOL!
Well, I always say that even intelligent people believe what they hear way too 
much without searching it for themselves. It has always amazed me just how 
gullible people really are LOL! People give money to crazy diets and the like. 
You can learn more concerning just about anything just by researching it 
yourself. You can save a lot of money. I found out about free NVDA screen 
reader, and I use it half of the time, now, with JAWS, but I am using JAWS less 
and less. Thinking with the Brain God gave you sure pays off sometimes LOL!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Shannon via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:52 PM
To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Thanks for that! I had to laugh at the Hillary comment. And I'm not taking it 
offensively or any other way just thought it was funny.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Loy via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Window Eyes is not dead, it was resurrected in the form of JAWS. And some 
people still think that Hillary was honest and upright.
  - Original Message -
  From: Peter Duran via Talk
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:09 AM
  Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!


  Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But, 
why couldn’t most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks figure 
that out for yourselves?

  That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by 
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as 
well as stupid people embrace “fake news” with equal relish.  Why is that?

  Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is “doing a good job” 
in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and that 
Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.

  It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately 
half of the population, in any given community at any given time, will believe 
“crazy stuff” if asserted by a “figure of authority”.

  Peter Duran





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RE: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Paulette Vickery via Talk]

Well said!

Paulette

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+paulette=evickery@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Dave via Talk
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 8:17 AM
To: David Moore; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Using the Brain God gave us?  Now there's a thought!  

The problem, at times, is the same as all computers have, and that is
Garbage in, equals Garbage out.  


So few research on their own these days, even I find myself getting too
Lazy, and accepting the comments or remarks made by someone that I don't
even know,  But what they said sounds good to me etc.Today too often,
Proof and Evidence is pushed aside for the results of examining Feelings. 
And it doesn't even need to be my own feelings, but could be the
feelings of someone I don't even know.  But, what they say sort of lines
up with how I might believe or feel about a subject.  And I have done no
research of my own, and have only my Feelings to trust.  

Emotions are easily manipulated, and Advertisers and Politicians
manipulate the Public all the time.  

Most of us do not even realise we are getting manipulated, at least not
until we start using that Brain God gave us.  

I wish more and more people would use that Brain of theirs.  

Grumpy Dave

It is the lack of true knowledge that will end up putting all of us in
Bondage.  



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Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Dave via Talk]

Using the Brain God gave us?  Now there's a thought!  

The problem, at times, is the same as all computers have, and that is
Garbage in, equals Garbage out.  


So few research on their own these days, even I find myself getting too
Lazy, and accepting the comments or remarks made by someone that I don't
even know,  But what they said sounds good to me etc.Today too often,
Proof and Evidence is pushed aside for the results of examining Feelings. 
And it doesn't even need to be my own feelings, but could be the
feelings of someone I don't even know.  But, what they say sort of lines
up with how I might believe or feel about a subject.  And I have done no
research of my own, and have only my Feelings to trust.  

Emotions are easily manipulated, and Advertisers and Politicians
manipulate the Public all the time.  

Most of us do not even realise we are getting manipulated, at least not
until we start using that Brain God gave us.  

I wish more and more people would use that Brain of theirs.  

Grumpy Dave

It is the lack of true knowledge that will end up putting all of us in
Bondage.  



-- 
Dave 

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RE: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[David Moore via Talk]

That is funny about Trump LOL!
Well, I always say that even intelligent people believe what they hear way too 
much without searching it for themselves. It has always amazed me just how 
gullible people really are LOL! People give money to crazy diets and the like. 
You can learn more concerning just about anything just by researching it 
yourself. You can save a lot of money. I found out about free NVDA screen 
reader, and I use it half of the time, now, with JAWS, but I am using JAWS less 
and less. Thinking with the Brain God gave you sure pays off sometimes LOL!
David Moore
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Shannon via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:52 PM
To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Thanks for that! I had to laugh at the Hillary comment. And I'm not taking it 
offensively or any other way just thought it was funny.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Loy via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Window Eyes is not dead, it was resurrected in the form of JAWS. And some 
people still think that Hillary was honest and upright.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Peter Duran via Talk 
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:09 AM
 Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!


 Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But, 
why couldn’t most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks figure 
that out for yourselves?

 That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by 
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as 
well as stupid people embrace “fake news” with equal relish.  Why is that?

 Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is “doing a good job” 
in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and that 
Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.

 It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately half 
of the population, in any given community at any given time, will believe 
“crazy stuff” if asserted by a “figure of authority”.

 Peter Duran





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Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Shannon via Talk]

Thanks for that! I had to laugh at the Hillary comment. And I'm not taking it 
offensively or any other way just thought it was funny.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 18, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Loy via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Window Eyes is not dead, it was resurrected in the form of JAWS. And some 
people still think that Hillary was honest and upright.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Peter Duran via Talk 
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:09 AM
 Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!


 Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But, 
why couldn’t most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks figure 
that out for yourselves?

 That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by 
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as 
well as stupid people embrace “fake news” with equal relish.  Why is that?

 Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is “doing a good job” 
in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and that 
Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.

 It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately half 
of the population, in any given community at any given time, will believe 
“crazy stuff” if asserted by a “figure of authority”.

 Peter Duran





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RE: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Dennis Long via Talk]

No your wrong.  You can get to Jaws 18 for free if you have W.E 9.0 or
later.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 8:51 PM
To: 'Peter Duran'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Ok peeter but at the time nothing was said at the time until now. Be
thankfull that a offer was offered for window-eyes users to convert to jaws
for free, but that is only if you had a sma in place for window-eyes. Come
to think of it jaws has been the most popular screen reader. Now rant is
over. 
Kenny Peyatt jr. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+p.wildcat1234=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:09 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But,
why couldn't most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks
figure that out for yourselves?

That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as
well as stupid people embrace "fake news" with equal relish.  Why is that?

Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is "doing a good job"
in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and
that Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.

It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately
half of the population, in any given community at any given time, will
believe "crazy stuff" if asserted by a "figure of authority".

Peter Duran





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Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Don H via Talk]

	You don't need a Window Eyes SMA in place to get the free copy of Jaws. 
 You just need to have aup to date paid copy of WE.


On 5/18/2017 7:51 PM, kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk wrote:

Ok peeter but at the time nothing was said at the time until now. Be
thankfull that a offer was offered for window-eyes users to convert to jaws
for free, but that is only if you had a sma in place for window-eyes. Come
to think of it jaws has been the most popular screen reader. Now rant is
over.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+p.wildcat1234=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:09 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But,
why couldn't most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks
figure that out for yourselves?

That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as
well as stupid people embrace "fake news" with equal relish.  Why is that?

Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is "doing a good job"
in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and
that Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.

It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately
half of the population, in any given community at any given time, will
believe "crazy stuff" if asserted by a "figure of authority".

Peter Duran





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RE: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[kenny Peyatt jr. via Talk]

Ok peeter but at the time nothing was said at the time until now. Be
thankfull that a offer was offered for window-eyes users to convert to jaws
for free, but that is only if you had a sma in place for window-eyes. Come
to think of it jaws has been the most popular screen reader. Now rant is
over. 
Kenny Peyatt jr. 

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+p.wildcat1234=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:09 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But,
why couldn't most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks
figure that out for yourselves?

That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as
well as stupid people embrace "fake news" with equal relish.  Why is that?

Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is "doing a good job"
in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and
that Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.

It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately
half of the population, in any given community at any given time, will
believe "crazy stuff" if asserted by a "figure of authority".

Peter Duran





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Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Raul A. Gallegos via Talk]

I think that Peter might be enjoying some Colorado candy. Window-Eyes is 
not dead. When I run Window-Eyes on my system, it comes up talking and 
it works with everything. That tells me it's not dead. Now, what Peter 
may have meant to say is that the sales of Window-Eyes are dead. 
*smile*. That would be correct. Just a joke, but I really do want to 
point out that just because there are no more updates to Window-Eyes, it 
doesn't mean people have to stop using it today, right now.



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On 5/18/2017 7:00 PM, Tony C via Talk wrote:

   So do you need a cookie?

-Original Message- From: Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:09 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  
But, why couldn’t most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) 
folks figure that out for yourselves?


That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by 
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart 
people as well as stupid people embrace “fake news” with equal 
relish.  Why is that?


Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is “doing a 
good job” in spite of the fact that nothing has been really 
accomplished so far and that Trump apparently has no clue about the 
facts at hand.


It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why 
approximately half of the population, in any given community at any 
given time, will believe “crazy stuff” if asserted by a “figure of 
authority”.


Peter Duran





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Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Tony C via Talk]

Ditto!

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:56 PM
To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Peter what does this accomplish either take the offer or not

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:09 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But,
why couldn't most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks
figure that out for yourselves?

That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as
well as stupid people embrace "fake news" with equal relish.  Why is that?

Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is "doing a good job"
in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and
that Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.

It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately
half of the population, in any given community at any given time, will
believe "crazy stuff" if asserted by a "figure of authority".

Peter Duran





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Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Tony C via Talk]

Come on guys, please, let's not start this non-productive crap again.

-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk

Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:50 PM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Window Eyes is not dead, it was resurrected in the form of JAWS. And some 
people still think that Hillary was honest and upright.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Peter Duran via Talk

 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:09 AM
 Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!


 Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead! 
But, why couldn’t most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks 
figure that out for yourselves?


 That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by 
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as 
well as stupid people embrace “fake news” with equal relish.  Why is that?


 Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is “doing a good 
job” in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far 
and that Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.


 It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately 
half of the population, in any given community at any given time, will 
believe “crazy stuff” if asserted by a “figure of authority”.


 Peter Duran





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Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Tony C via Talk]

   So do you need a cookie?

-Original Message- 
From: Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:09 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But, 
why couldn’t most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks 
figure that out for yourselves?


That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by 
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as 
well as stupid people embrace “fake news” with equal relish.  Why is that?


Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is “doing a good job” 
in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and 
that Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.


It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately 
half of the population, in any given community at any given time, will 
believe “crazy stuff” if asserted by a “figure of authority”.


Peter Duran





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RE: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Dennis Long via Talk]

Peter what does this accomplish either take the offer or not

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:09 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But,
why couldn't most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks
figure that out for yourselves?

That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as
well as stupid people embrace "fake news" with equal relish.  Why is that?

Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is "doing a good job"
in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and
that Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.

It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately
half of the population, in any given community at any given time, will
believe "crazy stuff" if asserted by a "figure of authority".

Peter Duran





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RE: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[John Farley via Talk]

And what value did this add?



Regards, John

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-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+john_farley=btinternet@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:09 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But,
why couldn't most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks
figure that out for yourselves?

That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as
well as stupid people embrace "fake news" with equal relish.  Why is that?

Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is "doing a good job"
in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and
that Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.

It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately
half of the population, in any given community at any given time, will
believe "crazy stuff" if asserted by a "figure of authority".

Peter Duran





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RE: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Peter: as one of those well educated, intelligent people - I actually do resent 
this sweeping generalisation.

Some of us did actually draw the correct conclusions based on evidence through 
VFO press releases, lack of official comment and so forth. Others wanted 
somehting more definite than circumstantial stuff.   Unlike many on the list - 
some of us took steps to get official news. VFO clearly had to come to a 
solution to a range of issues affecting the viability of Window-eyes. The offer 
which many of us have already taken up will have details behind it which 
ordinary people llike you and I will never know.

  The list is a means whereby people exercise freedom of expression, but it is 
genuinely unhelpful to be smug.  And even without digging too far, those who 
were less certain than you and I still had opinions based on what they believed 
to be so.

Please do not start this sort of thread again?

People have quickly moved on.

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 4:09 p.m.
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But, why 
couldn't most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks figure that 
out for yourselves?

That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by 
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as 
well as stupid people embrace "fake news" with equal relish.  Why is that?

Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is "doing a good job" in 
spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and that 
Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.

It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately half 
of the population, in any given community at any given time, will believe 
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Peter Duran





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Re: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Loy via Talk]

Window Eyes is not dead, it was resurrected in the form of JAWS. And some 
people still think that Hillary was honest and upright.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Peter Duran via Talk 
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:09 AM
  Subject: I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!


  Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But, 
why couldn’t most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks figure 
that out for yourselves?

  That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by 
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as 
well as stupid people embrace “fake news” with equal relish.  Why is that?

  Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is “doing a good job” 
in spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and that 
Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.

  It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately 
half of the population, in any given community at any given time, will believe 
“crazy stuff” if asserted by a “figure of authority”.

  Peter Duran





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I told you, Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Peter Duran via Talk]

Well, now all of you officially know that Window-Eyes is really dead!  But, why 
couldn’t most of  you (mostly well-educated and intelligent) folks figure that 
out for yourselves?

That is  by no means a silly question.  Analysis of news stories, by 
independent researchers, over the past 6 months reveal that smart people as 
well as stupid people embrace “fake news” with equal relish.  Why is that?

Also, lots of folks still believe that President Trump is “doing a good job” in 
spite of the fact that nothing has been really accomplished so far and that 
Trump apparently has no clue about the facts at hand.

It is an intriguing question, pondered by sociologists, why approximately half 
of the population, in any given community at any given time, will believe 
“crazy stuff” if asserted by a “figure of authority”.

Peter Duran





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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Steve Nutt via Talk]

Hi Alison,

I don't think that will happen.  Besides, there is also Supernova and System
Access.

I am already talking to Dolphin to see if we can't improve the screen reader
side of Supernova.

All the best

Steve

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of CJ  MAY via Talk
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To: 'Russ Kiehne' <russ94...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I anticipate that eventually NVDA and other screenreader competitors will be
bought out to eliminate competition and eventually there will just be Jaws.

But until that day, I will continue to use and enjoy Window-eyes.

 

Alison

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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

The big test will be when the next major update to windows 10 is released 
later this year?


-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 4:47 PM
To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

It may be dying, Peter, but it isn't ctually dead yet. It works absolutely
fine for me on Windows 10 and I will be sticking with it until I reach a
time when Window-eyes can no longer support the work I'm doing.

So, let's just say it is terminally ill, rather than dead!



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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Dave via Talk]

Yeah, I too wish NVDA could copy the Window Eyes keyboard commands.  I
find the Insert Up Arrow to be a bit Funky when reading the line the
cursor is found.  

I also wish NVDA had the User Window Feature, something I use all the
time.

Grumpy Dave


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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[CJ MAY via Talk]

It may be dying, Peter, but it isn't ctually dead yet. It works absolutely
fine for me on Windows 10 and I will be sticking with it until I reach a
time when Window-eyes can no longer support the work I'm doing.

So, let's just say it is terminally ill, rather than dead!

 

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Peter Duran via Talk]

Well, Window-Eyes is unfortunately definitely dead. It is irrational to
presuppose that VFO will support two competing screen readers, with one a
lot cheeper than the other.  Sad to say, JAWS won and WE lost the
screen-reader wars.

Those of us with technical skills ought to help NVDA to improve over time so
we can keep up with Windows 10 advances.

Peter Duran

-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:11 PM
To: Russ Kiehne; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



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Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say that
JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy 
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to 
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and 
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also 
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover

everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without 
any health care.

Peter Duran

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Can one be created?

Vaughan.



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Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:37 a.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Peter Duran; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message-
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say that 
JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

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Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy 
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to 
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and 
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also 
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover 
everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without 
any health care.

Peter Duran

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Yay  for some leadership.

Best.

Vaughan.



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Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 1:42 a.m.
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List; Dave
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Just for reference sake. I did call vfo and ask about the we version of fusion. 
I asked straight up if it was a dead product and she said yes. She said the jfw 
version of fusion will be out within the next 2 months and will be sold as 
fusion version 11. If you have a esp (ai2's version of a
sma) it will be automatically delivered as major upgrade. For those who don't 
have sma, fusion home version is $200. Neospeech voices will not be in it. Only 
eloquence and vocalizer. I am not buying.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 9, 2017 8:23 AM, "Dave via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

> Having NVDA be purchased by VFO would be quite telling, wouldn't it.
>
> NVDA isn't yet in the same class of screen Reader as JAWS, so the VFO 
> folks may not bother with NVDA, thinking it isn't much of a threat, 
> and are only used by those who couldn't ever afford JAWS.
>
> Let's not forget that NVDA also suffers from the same Cash Flow problems
> GW Micro did.NVDA survives because they receive grant money, and
> other support from other sources of money.  And then there is the 
> Donations that come in from actual users of NVDA, which I have a 
> suspicion, is not all that much.
>
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Come on now Sis Reeva!  AI Squared and GW Micro PAID EMPLOYEES are still
here on list; we are both too blind to SEE them!  They're on lunch break,
shall be back shortly.  Window-Eyes isn't dead, it's convalescing at a
hospice near us!

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado


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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[CJ MAY via Talk]

I anticipate that eventually NVDA and other screenreader competitors will be
bought out to eliminate competition and eventually there will just be Jaws.

But until that day, I will continue to use and enjoy Window-eyes.

 

Alison

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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

   It's open source, too.  I don't think sauce has anything to do with 
this.  That could get rather messy.





On 5/9/2017 8:11 AM, john pitts via Talk wrote:
no i very much doubt that, as NVDA is open sauce, that means that all 
the people who developed it do it voluntary, and it's something to be 
proud of.


-Original Message- From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:55 AM
To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
competitor left in the field.

Alison







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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Yes, the following posted on this list a couple days bac says it all:

@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth
https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8


https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354


that is all.

-Original Message- 
From: Darren Harris via Talk

Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 2:56 AM
To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued?

Sent from my iPhone

On 9 May 2017, at 10:55, CJ  MAY via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
wrote:


I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
competitor left in the field.

Alison







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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

After reading the following post from this list a couple of days back, this 
tells me the end of Window Eyes:

@mikelauf1: @Robbie Sandberg : Window Eyes to be phased out when MS Office
support ends, says Eric Damery at SightCity VFO booth

https://www.swarmapp.com/c/8msayoEvRx8

https://twitter.com/mikelauf1/status/860573700210532354

that is all.


-Original Message- 
From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 12:14 PM
To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Hi Peter,

Why not two screen readers from VFO.

Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products
in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other
brand VFO sells.

Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in
selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major
upgrades!

Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to
be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and
appple products having only one choice, Voice over!

NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.

I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro,
Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser,
Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files,
and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no
issues!

I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest Window-eyes
9.54 with little issues.

I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and
have NVDA as a backup screen reader.

Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it
alive, Like HumanWare.

So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any
major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software
instead.

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

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-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover
everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
any health care.

Peter Duran

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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Just for reference sake. I did call vfo and ask about the we version of
fusion. I asked straight up if it was a dead product and she said yes. She
said the jfw version of fusion will be out within the next 2 months and
will be sold as fusion version 11. If you have a esp (ai2's version of a
sma) it will be automatically delivered as major upgrade. For those who
don't have sma, fusion home version is $200. Neospeech voices will not be
in it. Only eloquence and vocalizer. I am not buying.

"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 9, 2017 8:23 AM, "Dave via Talk"  wrote:

> Having NVDA be purchased by VFO would be quite telling, wouldn't it.
>
> NVDA isn't yet in the same class of screen Reader as JAWS, so the VFO
> folks may not bother with NVDA, thinking it isn't much of a threat, and
> are only used by those who couldn't ever afford JAWS.
>
> Let's not forget that NVDA also suffers from the same Cash Flow problems
> GW Micro did.NVDA survives because they receive grant money, and
> other support from other sources of money.  And then there is the
> Donations that come in from actual users of NVDA, which I have a
> suspicion, is not all that much.
>
>
> Grumpy Dave
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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

I just wished NVDA had a Window Eyes keyboard layout?

-Original Message- 
From: Darrell Bowles via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 11:00 AM
To: Peter Duran ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say that 
JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?


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Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy 
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to 
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?


There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and 
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.


I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also 
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover 
everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without 
any health care.


Peter Duran

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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Dave via Talk]

Having NVDA be purchased by VFO would be quite telling, wouldn't it.  

NVDA isn't yet in the same class of screen Reader as JAWS, so the VFO
folks may not bother with NVDA, thinking it isn't much of a threat, and
are only used by those who couldn't ever afford JAWS.  

Let's not forget that NVDA also suffers from the same Cash Flow problems
GW Micro did.NVDA survives because they receive grant money, and
other support from other sources of money.  And then there is the
Donations that come in from actual users of NVDA, which I have a
suspicion, is not all that much.  


Grumpy Dave




 
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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Oh, yeah, there there's actual paid gw employees on list too. Wait, there's
not anymore? Where they all go?  We has a bright future ahead of it, huh?


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 9, 2017 7:22 AM, "Rod Hutton via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

> Hi Darren,
>
> Nothing's been announced.
> This used to be a tech support list, and indeed, it still serves as one
> for those who have technical questions.
> All other talk is just that, talk, talk, and more talk.
> So, if you have technical questions, please submit them, and those
> generous list members who actually have knowledge of the way Window-Eyes
> works will anser your questions.
>
> All the best,
>
> Rod Hutton
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail.com@lists.
> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Darren Harris via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:57 AM
> To: CJ  MAY <chrisalis...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List <
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 9 May 2017, at 10:55, CJ  MAY via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
> > competitor left in the field.
> >
> > Alison
> >
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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Loy via Talk]

No, it has not been confirmed.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Darren Harris via Talk 
  To: CJ  MAY ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 5:56 AM
  Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


  Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued?

  Sent from my iPhone

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wrote:
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  > I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
  > competitor left in the field.
  > 
  > Alison
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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Darren,

Nothing's been announced.
This used to be a tech support list, and indeed, it still serves as one for 
those who have technical questions.
All other talk is just that, talk, talk, and more talk.
So, if you have technical questions, please submit them, and those generous 
list members who actually have knowledge of the way Window-Eyes works will 
anser your questions.

All the best,

Rod Hutton

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Darren Harris via Talk
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To: CJ  MAY <chrisalis...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 May 2017, at 10:55, CJ  MAY via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
> competitor left in the field.
> 
> Alison
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi John,

Actually, all of the members of the gang of five, Apple, Microsoft, Google, 
Facebook and Amazon regularly buy technologies from start-ups, whether or not 
the software is currently free, and so NVDA might sell if they get the right 
offer.
Why not?

Fingers crossed,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of john pitts via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 8:12 AM
To: CJ  MAY <chrisalis...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
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no i very much doubt that, as NVDA is open sauce, that means that 
all the people who developed it do it voluntary, and it's something to be 
proud of.

-Original Message- 
From: CJ  MAY via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:55 AM
To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
competitor left in the field.

Alison







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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[john pitts via Talk]

   no i very much doubt that, as NVDA is open sauce, that means that 
all the people who developed it do it voluntary, and it's something to be 
proud of.


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Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 10:55 AM
To: 'Vaughan Dodd' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
competitor left in the field.

Alison







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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[CJ MAY via Talk]

No, but you'd think so by the subject headings and the negative talk on this
list!

Alison

 

 

 

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Dennis Long via Talk]

These companies don't have to agree to the sales or mergers they choose to
do so.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:55 AM
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Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
competitor left in the field.

Alison

 

 

 

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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Darren Harris via Talk]

Has it been confirmed? That window eyes is been discontinued?

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[CJ MAY via Talk]

I suspect that NVDA will also eventually be purchased, as the main
competitor left in the field.

Alison

 

 

 

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Olusegun -- Victory Associates LTD, Inc. via Talk]

Nick, in my case, I am working extra hard to DITCH FOR GOOD Windows screen
readers!  I'm going to start running with touchscreen phones and tabletsw!
No, I won't ever spend an extra cent on the purchase of Jaws!  

As for NVDA, I will consider donating my widower's mite to its developers
for purposes of helping to encourage continuous development so that blind
folks in third countries can have access to a screen reader that won't kill
every mocking bird in their cages.  

If I were to switch to NVDA right now, I will need someone to do some
heavyweight scripting of the apps I use on a daily basis in my business!
Secondarily, I am NOT prepared to pay $125/$150 an hour to any person to
help script these apps for Jaws!  With my Shiny Android, I can get
developers to LABEL their apps following guidelines prescribed by Google.
That's it and I can get back to brass tacks in a relatively short period of
time.  Kicking Windows and Windows screen readers like cans down the road is
something I long for and I am inching ever so close with every minute
second.  

Will I miss Window-Eyes?  You bet I will!  It has helped me to get my work
done for this long; the Tech support has been phenomenon.  I will miss all
of that.  But, on My Shiny Android platform, I can get real dedication and,
just as I did with GW Micro, I can chat directly with app developers and get
real results!  I hope that my ongoing transition will be close to 95%
completion by at least September 2017.  That's the goal I have set anyway,
and I'll work doubly hard at achieving it.

Sincerely,
Olusegun
Denver, Colorado  


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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Dennis Long via Talk]

No NVDA is not better then Jaws.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 11:33 PM
To: Bryan Peterson; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Chris Skarstad
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Can you honestly say NVDA is better than Jaws? While I don't believe anyone
who says yes, I am also genuinely asking, because I have never used either,
but I am also convinced that those who would prefer NVDA over Jaws
(financial issues notwithstanding) are cutting off their noses to spite
their faces (silly cliche alert).  But why does it have to be NEDA vs Jaws?
Does your copy of Window-eyes suddenly not work?  Why are some of you here
so anxious to get rid of your Window-eyes and replace it with another screen
reader?  I went for years, using WE without this list, and hardly leaning on
customer service.  My point is, even if WE is discontinued, it does not mean
you cannot get a few years of use. 
Maybe in two or three years, NVDA or Narrator will significantly improve, or
Jaws will go down in price (perish the thought).

On 5/8/2017 6:39 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
> I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite 
> screen reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows
> 10 so I may as well get used to using it for other things. I 
> absolutely despise JAWS and so I refuse to go back to it, so that means
NVDA.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
> 
>  I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way 
> about Window-eyes.
> 
> Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the 
> underdog, whereas JAWS is the more popular option.  The most popular 
> doesn't always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's
what
> happens.  So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS
> will win.  I hope I am wrong.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Yes, I know this.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan 
>> Dodd <vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>
>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.  
>> Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. 
>> You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most 
>> likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen 
>> so many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time 
>> is up y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the 
>> reality is that there won't be any future improvements. As new 
>> windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable.
>>
>>
>> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
>> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" 
>> Walls Of Jericho
>>
>> Reeva
>>
>> On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes: but have they developed Magic?
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
>> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
>> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
>>- Original Message -
>>From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
>>To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
>>Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>>
>>Hi Peter,
>>
>>Why not two screen readers from VFO.
>>
>>Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of 
>> products
>>in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than 
>> the other
>>brand VFO sells.
>>
>>Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no 
>> issues in
>>selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next 
>> two major
>>upgrades!
>>
>>

Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Of course, tat bill that you mentioned, will not survive the senate, and 
while they won't admit it, Republican legislators are afraid to repeal 
"Obama Care.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled list serve.

On 5/8/2017 1:57 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy 
> instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to 
> continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?
> 
> There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and 
> VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.
> 
> I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also 
> believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover 
> everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without 
> any health care.
> 
> Peter Duran
> 
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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Can you honestly say NVDA is better than Jaws? While I don't believe 
anyone who says yes, I am also genuinely asking, because I have never 
used either, but I am also convinced that those who would prefer NVDA 
over Jaws (financial issues notwithstanding) are cutting off their noses 
to spite their faces (silly cliche alert).  But why does it have to be 
NEDA vs Jaws? Does your copy of Window-eyes suddenly not work?  Why are 
some of you here so anxious to get rid of your Window-eyes and replace 
it with another screen reader?  I went for years, using WE without this 
list, and hardly leaning on customer service.  My point is, even if WE 
is discontinued, it does not mean you cannot get a few years of use. 
Maybe in two or three years, NVDA or Narrator will significantly 
improve, or Jaws will go down in price (perish the thought).

On 5/8/2017 6:39 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
> I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite 
> screen reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows 
> 10 so I may as well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely 
> despise JAWS and so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
> 
>  I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way
> about Window-eyes.
> 
> Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog,
> whereas JAWS is the more popular option.  The most popular doesn't
> always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what
> happens.  So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS
> will win.  I hope I am wrong.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Yes, I know this.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Reeva Webb via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan 
>> Dodd <vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>
>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.  
>> Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. 
>> You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most 
>> likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so 
>> many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up 
>> y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is 
>> that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff 
>> comes out, we will become unusable.
>>
>>
>> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
>> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls 
>> Of Jericho
>>
>> Reeva
>>
>> On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes: but have they developed Magic?
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
>> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
>> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
>>- Original Message -
>>From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
>>To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
>>Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>>
>>Hi Peter,
>>
>>Why not two screen readers from VFO.
>>
>>Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of 
>> products
>>in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than 
>> the other
>>brand VFO sells.
>>
>>Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no 
>> issues in
>>selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next 
>> two major
>>upgrades!
>>
>>Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do 
>> we want to
>>be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have 
>> MAC and
>>appple products having only one choice, Voice over!
>>
>>NVDA is coming along, but it has 

Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Can you honestly say NVDA is better than Jaws? While I don't believe 
anyone who says yes, I am also genuinely asking, because I have never 
used either, but I am also convinced that those who would prefer NVDA 
over Jaws (financial issues notwithstanding) are cutting off their noses 
to spite their faces (silly cliche alert).  But why does it have to be 
NEDA vs Jaws? Does your copy of Window-eyes suddenly not work?  Why are 
some of you here so anxious to get rid of your Window-eyes and replace 
it with another screen reader?  I went for years, using WE without this 
list, and hardly leaning on customer service.  My point is, even if WE 
is discontinued, it does not mean you cannot get a few years of use. 
Maybe in two or three years, NVDA or Narrator will significantly 
improve, or Jaws will go down in price (perish the thought).

On 5/8/2017 6:39 PM, Bryan Peterson via Talk wrote:
> I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite 
> screen reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows 
> 10 so I may as well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely 
> despise JAWS and so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
> 
>  I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way
> about Window-eyes.
> 
> Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog,
> whereas JAWS is the more popular option.  The most popular doesn't
> always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what
> happens.  So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS
> will win.  I hope I am wrong.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Yes, I know this.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk 
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Reeva Webb via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan 
>> Dodd <vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>
>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.  
>> Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. 
>> You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most 
>> likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so 
>> many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up 
>> y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is 
>> that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff 
>> comes out, we will become unusable.
>>
>>
>> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
>> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls 
>> Of Jericho
>>
>> Reeva
>>
>> On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" 
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes: but have they developed Magic?
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
>> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
>> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
>>- Original Message -
>>From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
>>To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>>Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
>>Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>>
>>Hi Peter,
>>
>>Why not two screen readers from VFO.
>>
>>Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of 
>> products
>>in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than 
>> the other
>>brand VFO sells.
>>
>>Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no 
>> issues in
>>selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next 
>> two major
>>upgrades!
>>
>>Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do 
>> we want to
>>be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have 
>> MAC and
>>appple products having only one choice, Voice over!
>>
>>NVDA is coming along, but it has 

RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

I'll join you with this.

Best.

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Nick Sarames via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 3:24 p.m.
To: Darrell Bowles; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Bryan Peterson
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

My prediction is, that all the anti-Jaws folks will eventually realize that the 
honeymoon with NVDA will be over, and they will end up purchasing Jaws despite 
their vitriol.

On 5/8/2017 6:51 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> Why do you not like NVDA?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:40 PM
> To: Chris Skarstad <rascal0...@verizon.net>; 
> talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
> 
> I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite screen 
> reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows 10 so I may 
> as well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely despise JAWS and 
> so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
> 
>   I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way about 
> Window-eyes.
> 
> Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, 
> whereas JAWS is the more popular option.  The most popular doesn't always 
> mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what
> happens.  So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS
> will win.  I hope I am wrong.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Yes, I know this.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan 
>> Dodd <vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>
>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.
>> Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money.
>> You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most 
>> likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen 
>> so many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time 
>> is up y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the 
>> reality is that there won't be any future improvements. As new 
>> windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable.
>>
>>
>> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
>> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" 
>> Walls Of Jericho
>>
>> Reeva
>>
>> On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk"
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes: but have they developed Magic?
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
>> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
>> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
>>     To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> Why not two screen readers from VFO.
>>
>> Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand 
>> of products
>> in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than 
>> the other
>> brand VFO sells.
>>
>> Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no 
>> issues in
>> selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next 
>> two major
>> upgrades!
>>
>> Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do 
>> we want to
>> be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who 
>> have MAC and
>> appple products having on

Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

My prediction is, that all the anti-Jaws folks will eventually realize 
that the honeymoon with NVDA will be over, and they will end up 
purchasing Jaws despite their vitriol.

On 5/8/2017 6:51 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> Why do you not like NVDA?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:40 PM
> To: Chris Skarstad <rascal0...@verizon.net>; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
> 
> I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite screen 
> reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows 10 so I may 
> as well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely despise JAWS and 
> so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
> 
>   I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way about 
> Window-eyes.
> 
> Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, 
> whereas JAWS is the more popular option.  The most popular doesn't always 
> mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what
> happens.  So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS
> will win.  I hope I am wrong.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
>> Yes, I know this.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
>> Of Reeva Webb via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
>> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan
>> Dodd <vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>
>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.
>> Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money.
>> You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most
>> likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so
>> many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up
>> y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is
>> that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff
>> comes out, we will become unusable.
>>
>>
>> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never
>> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls
>> Of Jericho
>>
>> Reeva
>>
>> On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk"
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes: but have they developed Magic?
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
>> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
>> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>> Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
>>     To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
>> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>>
>>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> Why not two screen readers from VFO.
>>
>> Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of
>> products
>> in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than
>> the other
>> brand VFO sells.
>>
>> Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no
>> issues in
>> selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next
>> two major
>> upgrades!
>>
>> Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do
>> we want to
>> be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have
>> MAC and
>> appple products having only one choice, Voice over!
>>
>> NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to
>> Window-eyes.
>>
>> I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
>> YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00
>> using XP pro,
>> Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox

Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

Oh I never said I didn't like it. It's just not my favorite. Things just 
don't seem as simple to do as they have been with WE. I also can't seem to 
get Eloquence to work with it properly. It's not my favorite voice in terms 
of quality but its response time is still just about the quickest I've 
experienced.


-Original Message- 
From: Darrell Bowles

Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:51 PM
To: Bryan Peterson ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Why do you not like NVDA?


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:40 PM
To: Chris Skarstad <rascal0...@verizon.net>; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite screen 
reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows 10 so I may 
as well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely despise JAWS and 
so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way about 
Window-eyes.


Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, 
whereas JAWS is the more popular option.  The most popular doesn't always 
mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what

happens.  So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS
will win.  I hope I am wrong.




On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Yes, I know this.


-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan
Dodd <vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.
Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money.
You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most
likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so
many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up
y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is
that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff
comes out, we will become unusable.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never
promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls
Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk"
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

Yes: but have they developed Magic?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
   - Original Message -
   From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
   To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
   Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


   Hi Peter,

   Why not two screen readers from VFO.

   Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of
products
   in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than
the other
   brand VFO sells.

   Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no
issues in
   selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next
two major
   upgrades!

   Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do
we want to
   be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have
MAC and
   appple products having only one choice, Voice over!

   NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to
Window-eyes.

   I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
   YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00
using XP pro,
   Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my
browser,
   Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and
up files,
   and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with
little or no
   issues!

   I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest
Window-eyes
   9.54 with little issues.

   I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no
Window-eyes and
   have NVDA as a backup screen reader.

   Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
   Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and
keep it
   alive, Like HumanWare.

   So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Win

RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Personally: not having been a great fan of JAWS for years, but feeling that 
Window-eyes could no longer meet my requirements, I've been happy to review my 
thinking about JAWS.

Since running it exclusively for just over a month, I have concluded that 
aspects of it make JAWS to be a more powerful screen reader than Window-eyes.

Braille support is better.  Web navigation across three browsers is better.  
And Edge support is coming.

At work, where my Window-eyes install was always flaky - JFW has been much more 
stable.  I can go a whole day without a system crash - not true with 
Window-Eyes.
So: in fairness - I've had a problem with authorisation.  That was caused by 
one machine failing, and purchasing a new pc and  so I lost one authorisation.  
Fixed quickly by Customer Support.  Paradoxically: the documentation is more 
extensive, but because there are so many help access options, I am sometimes 
confused about how to chose the help I need.  I want a manual that I can just 
chuck on to a braille device and read it as I please.  Not found it yet, but 
could be user ignorance.


Clearly: People have to make decisions about what is in their best interests.  
But it just seems unwise to use sentiment as the reason why you can't change 
your mind.

  


Vaughan.


-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 10:40 a.m.
To: Chris Skarstad; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite screen 
reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows 10 so I may as 
well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely despise JAWS and so I 
refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way about 
Window-eyes.

Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, 
whereas JAWS is the more popular option.  The most popular doesn't always mean 
better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what
happens.  So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS
will win.  I hope I am wrong.




On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> Yes, I know this.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan 
> Dodd <vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>
> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.  
> Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. 
> You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most 
> likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so 
> many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up 
> y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is 
> that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff 
> comes out, we will become unusable.
>
>
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls 
> Of Jericho
>
> Reeva
>
> On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yes: but have they developed Magic?
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
>- Original Message -
>    From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
>To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
>Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
>
>Hi Peter,
>
>Why not two screen readers from VFO.
>
>    Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of 
> products
>in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than 
> the other
>brand VFO sells.
>
>Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no 
> issues in
>selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next 
> two major
>upgrades!
>
>Narrator has a long way

RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Why do you not like NVDA?


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:40 PM
To: Chris Skarstad <rascal0...@verizon.net>; talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite screen 
reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows 10 so I may as 
well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely despise JAWS and so I 
refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way about 
Window-eyes.

Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, 
whereas JAWS is the more popular option.  The most popular doesn't always mean 
better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what
happens.  So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS
will win.  I hope I am wrong.




On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> Yes, I know this.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
> Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan 
> Dodd <vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>
> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.  
> Vfo selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. 
> You're not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most 
> likely sma holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so 
> many people determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up 
> y'all. You can use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is 
> that there won't be any future improvements. As new windows stuff 
> comes out, we will become unusable.
>
>
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never 
> promised night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls 
> Of Jericho
>
> Reeva
>
> On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" 
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yes: but have they developed Magic?
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
>- Original Message -
>    From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
>To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
>Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
>
>Hi Peter,
>
>Why not two screen readers from VFO.
>
>    Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of 
> products
>in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than 
> the other
>brand VFO sells.
>
>Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no 
> issues in
>selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next 
> two major
>upgrades!
>
>Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do 
> we want to
>be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have 
> MAC and
>appple products having only one choice, Voice over!
>
>NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to 
> Window-eyes.
>
>I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
>YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 
> using XP pro,
>Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my 
> browser,
>Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and 
> up files,
>and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with 
> little or no
>issues!
>
>I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest 
> Window-eyes
>9.54 with little issues.
>
>I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no 
> Window-eyes and
>have NVDA as a backup screen reader.
>
>Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
>Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and 
> keep it
>alive, Like HumanWare.
>
>So I wil expect 

Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

Well that's the big question, isn't it?  I would say 
yes because the latest update didn't come out very long ago, but 
Window-eyes updates weren't as frequent as JAWS ones are these days.
Whatever will happen probably won't be for a good while yet, so just 
based on an educated guess i would say that we might see one more 
update, with some kind of announcement that it's the final version.  No 
screenreader company sighted or blind simply stops developing software 
products without some major announcement of some kind.  So if it's true, 
and it is dead, we'll know before too long.





On 5/8/2017 6:39 PM, via Talk wrote:

So is it true that window-eyes is no longer being developed?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 6:31 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

  I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way
about Window-eyes.

Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog,
whereas JAWS is the more popular option.  The most popular doesn't
always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what
happens.  So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS
will win.  I hope I am wrong.




On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Yes, I know this.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan Dodd 
<vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.  Vfo 
selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not 
gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will 
get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury 
they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc 
turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. 
As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has 
just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

Yes: but have they developed Magic?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
- Original Message -
From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
    Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


Hi Peter,

Why not two screen readers from VFO.

Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products
in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other
    brand VFO sells.

Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in
selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major
upgrades!

Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to
be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and
appple products having only one choice, Voice over!

NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.

I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro,
Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser,
Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files,
and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no
issues!

I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest Window-eyes
9.54 with little issues.

I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and
have NVDA as a backup screen reader.

Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it
alive, Like HumanWare.

So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any
major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software
instead.

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

Roger A. Behm, President
1611 Clover Lane
Janesville WI 5354

Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Bryan Peterson via Talk]

I'm afraid you're most likely right. NVDA is by no means my favorite screen 
reader but I've had to use it with MSWord since getting Windows 10 so I may 
as well get used to using it for other things. I absolutely despise JAWS and 
so I refuse to go back to it, so that means NVDA.


-Original Message- 
From: Chris Skarstad via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 4:30 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way
about Window-eyes.

Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog,
whereas JAWS is the more popular option.  The most popular doesn't
always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what
happens.  So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS
will win.  I hope I am wrong.




On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Yes, I know this.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk

Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan Dodd 
<vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>

Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.  Vfo 
selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're 
not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma 
holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people 
determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can 
use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be 
any future improvements. As new windows stuff comes out, we will become 
unusable.



"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised 
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho


Reeva

On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

wrote:

Yes: but have they developed Magic?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
   - Original Message -
   From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
   To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
   Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


   Hi Peter,

   Why not two screen readers from VFO.

   Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of 
products
   in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the 
other

   brand VFO sells.

   Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues 
in
   selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two 
major

   upgrades!

   Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we 
want to
   be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC 
and

   appple products having only one choice, Voice over!

   NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to 
Window-eyes.


   I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
   YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP 
pro,
   Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my 
browser,
   Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up 
files,
   and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little 
or no

   issues!

   I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest 
Window-eyes

   9.54 with little issues.

   I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes 
and

   have NVDA as a backup screen reader.

   Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
   Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and 
keep it

   alive, Like HumanWare.

   So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with 
any
   major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader 
software

   instead.

   Regards,
   Roger Behm




   Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
   We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading 
Disabled


   Roger A. Behm, President
   1611 Clover Lane
   Janesville WI 53545-1388
   Fax: 608-758-7898
   Voice: 608-758-0933
   Email: aist...@ameritech.net
   Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org


   -Original Message-
   From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech.net@lists.window-
eyes.com]
   On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
   Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM
   To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

   It always amazes me when smart folks

RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[via Talk]

So is it true that window-eyes is no longer being developed? 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 6:31 PM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

 I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way 
about Window-eyes.

Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, 
whereas JAWS is the more popular option.  The most popular doesn't 
always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what 
happens.  So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS 
will win.  I hope I am wrong.




On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:
> Yes, I know this.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan Dodd 
> <vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>
> Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.  Vfo 
> selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not 
> gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will 
> get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury 
> they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc 
> turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. 
> As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable.
>
>
> "the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
> has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho
>
> Reeva
>
> On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
> wrote:
>
> Yes: but have they developed Magic?
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
> window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
> To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
> Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
>- Original Message -
>From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
>To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
>Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!
>
>
>Hi Peter,
>
>Why not two screen readers from VFO.
>
>Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products
>in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other
>brand VFO sells.
>
>Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in
>selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major
>upgrades!
>
>Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want 
> to
>be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and
>appple products having only one choice, Voice over!
>
>NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.
>
>I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
>YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP 
> pro,
>Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser,
>Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files,
>and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no
>issues!
>
>I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest 
> Window-eyes
>9.54 with little issues.
>
>I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and
>have NVDA as a backup screen reader.
>
>Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
>Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it
>alive, Like HumanWare.
>
>So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any
>major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software
>instead.
>
>Regards,
>Roger Behm
>
>
>
>
>Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
>We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled
>
>Roger A. Behm, President
>1611 Clover Lane
>Janesville WI 53545-1388
>Fax: 608-758-7898
>Voice: 608-758-0933
>Email: aist...@ameritech.net
>Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org
>
>
>-Original Message-
>

Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

I suspect certain people at VFO feel the exact same way 
about Window-eyes.


Unfortunately, Window-eyes has always been kind of seen as the underdog, 
whereas JAWS is the more popular option.  The most popular doesn't 
always mean better, but when you're dealing with money, that's what 
happens.  So unfortunately, it's looking more and more like JAWS 
will win.  I hope I am wrong.





On 5/8/2017 6:20 PM, Darrell Bowles via Talk wrote:

Yes, I know this.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan Dodd 
<vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.  Vfo 
selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not 
gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will 
get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury 
they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc 
turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. 
As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night has 
just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

Yes: but have they developed Magic?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
   - Original Message -
   From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
   To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
   Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


   Hi Peter,

   Why not two screen readers from VFO.

   Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products
   in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other
   brand VFO sells.

   Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in
   selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major
   upgrades!

   Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to
   be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and
   appple products having only one choice, Voice over!

   NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.

   I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
   YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro,
   Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser,
   Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files,
   and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no
   issues!

   I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest Window-eyes
   9.54 with little issues.

   I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and
   have NVDA as a backup screen reader.

   Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
   Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it
   alive, Like HumanWare.

   So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any
   major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software
   instead.

   Regards,
   Roger Behm




   Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
   We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

   Roger A. Behm, President
   1611 Clover Lane
   Janesville WI 53545-1388
   Fax: 608-758-7898
   Voice: 608-758-0933
   Email: aist...@ameritech.net
   Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org


   -Original Message-
   From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech.net@lists.window-
eyes.com]
   On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
   Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM
   To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

   It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
   instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
   continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

   There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
   VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

   I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
   believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover
   everybody as promised by Trump inste

RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Agreed. I hate to do it, but it's heading that way.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:27 PM
To: Darrell Bowles via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

That is why I plan to uninstall the window-eyes for office offer since it won’t 
be improved much longer. 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 6:20 PM
To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Yes, I know this.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan Dodd 
<vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.  Vfo 
selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not 
gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will 
get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury 
they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc 
turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. 
As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

Yes: but have they developed Magic?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
  - Original Message -
  From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
  To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
  Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


  Hi Peter,

  Why not two screen readers from VFO.

  Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products
  in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other
  brand VFO sells.

  Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in
  selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major
  upgrades!

  Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to
  be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and
  appple products having only one choice, Voice over!

  NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.

  I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
  YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro,
  Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser,
  Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files,
  and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no
  issues!

  I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest Window-eyes
  9.54 with little issues.

  I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and
  have NVDA as a backup screen reader.

  Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
  Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it
  alive, Like HumanWare.

  So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any
  major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software
  instead.

  Regards,
  Roger Behm




  Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
  We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

  Roger A. Behm, President
  1611 Clover Lane
  Janesville WI 53545-1388
  Fax: 608-758-7898
  Voice: 608-758-0933
  Email: aist...@ameritech.net
  Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org


  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech.net@lists.window-
eyes.com]
  On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
  Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

  It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
  instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
  continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

  There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
  VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

  I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
  believe that the heal

RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[via Talk]

That is why I plan to uninstall the window-eyes for office offer since it won’t 
be improved much longer. 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 6:20 PM
To: Reeva Webb; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Yes, I know this.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan Dodd 
<vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.  Vfo 
selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not 
gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will 
get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury 
they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc 
turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. 
As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

Yes: but have they developed Magic?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
  - Original Message -
  From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
  To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
  Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


  Hi Peter,

  Why not two screen readers from VFO.

  Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products
  in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other
  brand VFO sells.

  Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in
  selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major
  upgrades!

  Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to
  be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and
  appple products having only one choice, Voice over!

  NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.

  I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
  YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro,
  Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser,
  Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files,
  and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no
  issues!

  I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest Window-eyes
  9.54 with little issues.

  I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and
  have NVDA as a backup screen reader.

  Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
  Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it
  alive, Like HumanWare.

  So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any
  major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software
  instead.

  Regards,
  Roger Behm




  Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
  We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

  Roger A. Behm, President
  1611 Clover Lane
  Janesville WI 53545-1388
  Fax: 608-758-7898
  Voice: 608-758-0933
  Email: aist...@ameritech.net
  Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org


  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech.net@lists.window-
eyes.com]
  On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
  Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

  It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
  instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
  continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

  There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
  VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

  I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
  believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover
  everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
  any health care.

  Peter Duran

  ___
  Any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author
  and do not nec

RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

Yes, I know this.


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Reeva Webb via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 6:06 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>; Vaughan Dodd 
<vaughan.dodd...@msd.govt.nz>
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.  Vfo 
selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're not 
gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma holders will 
get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people determined to bury 
they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can use we until your pc 
turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be any future improvements. 
As new windows stuff comes out, we will become unusable.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised night 
has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

Yes: but have they developed Magic?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
  - Original Message -
  From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
  To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
  Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


  Hi Peter,

  Why not two screen readers from VFO.

  Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products
  in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other
  brand VFO sells.

  Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in
  selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major
  upgrades!

  Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to
  be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and
  appple products having only one choice, Voice over!

  NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.

  I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
  YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro,
  Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser,
  Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files,
  and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no
  issues!

  I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest Window-eyes
  9.54 with little issues.

  I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and
  have NVDA as a backup screen reader.

  Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
  Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it
  alive, Like HumanWare.

  So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any
  major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software
  instead.

  Regards,
  Roger Behm




  Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
  We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

  Roger A. Behm, President
  1611 Clover Lane
  Janesville WI 53545-1388
  Fax: 608-758-7898
  Voice: 608-758-0933
  Email: aist...@ameritech.net
  Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org


  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech.net@lists.window-
eyes.com]
  On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
  Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

  It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
  instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
  continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

  There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
  VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

  I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
  believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover
  everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
  any health care.

  Peter Duran

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Reeva Webb via Talk]

Magic's death is coming and it's deserved. That software is a joke.  Vfo
selling we sma's means nothing. Of course they'll take your money. You're
not gonna get what you paid for but it's your money. Most likely sma
holders will get discounted jfw offered. I've never seen so many people
determined to bury they heads in the sand. We's time is up y'all. You can
use we until your pc turns to dust but the reality is that there won't be
any future improvements. As new windows stuff comes out, we will become
unusable.


"the world has been against you from day one, tomorrow's never promised
night has just begun, so sing with me we're all fucked" Walls Of Jericho

Reeva

On May 8, 2017 3:22 PM, "Vaughan Dodd via Talk" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
wrote:

Yes: but have they developed Magic?

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt.nz@lists.
window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
  - Original Message -
  From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
  To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
  Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


  Hi Peter,

  Why not two screen readers from VFO.

  Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of
products
  in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the
other
  brand VFO sells.

  Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in
  selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two
major
  upgrades!

  Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want
to
  be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and
  appple products having only one choice, Voice over!

  NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.

  I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
  YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP
pro,
  Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser,
  Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up
files,
  and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or
no
  issues!

  I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest
Window-eyes
  9.54 with little issues.

  I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes
and
  have NVDA as a backup screen reader.

  Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
  Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep
it
  alive, Like HumanWare.

  So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with
any
  major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader
software
  instead.

  Regards,
  Roger Behm




  Adaptive Information Systems Inc.
  We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled

  Roger A. Behm, President
  1611 Clover Lane
  Janesville WI 53545-1388
  Fax: 608-758-7898
  Voice: 608-758-0933
  Email: aist...@ameritech.net
  Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org


  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech.net@lists.window-
eyes.com]
  On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
  Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

  It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
  instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
  continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

  There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
  VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

  I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
  believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will
cover
  everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
  any health care.

  Peter Duran

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Yes: but have they developed Magic?  

Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Loy via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 9 May 2017 7:50 a.m.
To: aist...@ameritech.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk 
  To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
  Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


  Hi Peter,

  Why not two screen readers from VFO.

  Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products
  in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other
  brand VFO sells.

  Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in
  selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major
  upgrades!

  Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to
  be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and
  appple products having only one choice, Voice over!
   
  NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.

  I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
  YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro,
  Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser,
  Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files,
  and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no
  issues!

  I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest Window-eyes
  9.54 with little issues.
   
  I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and
  have NVDA as a backup screen reader.
   
  Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
  Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it
  alive, Like HumanWare.

  So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any
  major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software
  instead.

  Regards,
  Roger Behm




  Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
  We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled 

  Roger A. Behm, President 
  1611 Clover Lane 
  Janesville WI 53545-1388 
  Fax: 608-758-7898 
  Voice: 608-758-0933 
  Email: aist...@ameritech.net 
  Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org 


  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
  On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
  Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

  It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
  instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
  continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

  There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
  VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

  I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
  believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover
  everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
  any health care.

  Peter Duran

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

It would be awesome to have Humanware take Window-Eyes over.  In fact, VFO
might as well hand over Window-Eyes to Humanware.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:14 PM
To: 'Peter Duran'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Hi Peter,

Why not two screen readers from VFO.

Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products
in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other
brand VFO sells.

Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in
selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major
upgrades!

Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to
be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and
appple products having only one choice, Voice over!
 
NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.

I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro,
Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser,
Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files,
and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no
issues!
  
I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest Window-eyes
9.54 with little issues.
 
I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and
have NVDA as a backup screen reader.
 
Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it
alive, Like HumanWare.

So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any
major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software
instead.

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled 

Roger A. Behm, President 
1611 Clover Lane 
Janesville WI 53545-1388 
Fax: 608-758-7898 
Voice: 608-758-0933 
Email: aist...@ameritech.net 
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org 


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover
everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
any health care.

Peter Duran

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Re: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Loy via Talk]

Since obtaining ZoomText, they haven't scrapped Magic.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk 
  To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 3:14 PM
  Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


  Hi Peter,

  Why not two screen readers from VFO.

  Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products
  in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other
  brand VFO sells.

  Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in
  selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major
  upgrades!

  Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to
  be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and
  appple products having only one choice, Voice over!
   
  NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.

  I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
  YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro,
  Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser,
  Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files,
  and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no
  issues!

  I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest Window-eyes
  9.54 with little issues.
   
  I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and
  have NVDA as a backup screen reader.
   
  Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
  Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it
  alive, Like HumanWare.

  So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any
  major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software
  instead.

  Regards,
  Roger Behm




  Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
  We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled 

  Roger A. Behm, President 
  1611 Clover Lane 
  Janesville WI 53545-1388 
  Fax: 608-758-7898 
  Voice: 608-758-0933 
  Email: aist...@ameritech.net 
  Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org 


  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
  On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
  Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM
  To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

  It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
  instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
  continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

  There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
  VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

  I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
  believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover
  everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
  any health care.

  Peter Duran

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

What saddens me about all this,  is that my answer to your question is this: 
Because JAWS is touted as the number one screen reader,   and as much as I 
don't like it, unless a miracle happens, VFO  isn't going to keep them both 
going when they have in their view, the number one screen reader.  Not to 
mansion that people have made a living creating JAWS specific products, so... 
As far as Narrator goes,  yes I agree with you there. I've tested the demo of 
the dolphin product,  and I'll warn you, the demo file is over a gig in size. 
It comes with its own book share search utility, its own scanning utility, and 
some other stuff that I haven't had practical time to test. 
I would consider it though.
Thanks,
Darrell

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 3:14 PM
To: 'Peter Duran' <peterduran2...@outlook.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

Hi Peter,

Why not two screen readers from VFO.

Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products in 
their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other brand 
VFO sells.

Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in 
selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major 
upgrades!

Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to be 
relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and appple 
products having only one choice, Voice over!
 
NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.

I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro, 
Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser, 
Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files, and 
good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no issues!
  
I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest Window-eyes
9.54 with little issues.
 
I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and 
have NVDA as a backup screen reader.
 
Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of 
Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it 
alive, Like HumanWare.

So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any 
major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software 
instead.

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled 

Roger A. Behm, President
1611 Clover Lane
Janesville WI 53545-1388
Fax: 608-758-7898
Voice: 608-758-0933
Email: aist...@ameritech.net
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org 


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy 
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue 
and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. 
So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also 
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover 
everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any 
health care.

Peter Duran

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Adaptive Information Systems Inc. via Talk]

Hi Peter,

Why not two screen readers from VFO.

Many other companies in the real world have more than one brand of products
in their offerings,  why not Window-eyes which is far better than the other
brand VFO sells.

Also if Window-eyes is dead like so many speculate, VFO had no issues in
selling me a Window-eyes SMA a month ago for $199.00 for the next two major
upgrades!

Narrator has a long way to go to be a viable screen reader and do we want to
be relying on Narrator for Windows, like those poor folks who have MAC and
appple products having only one choice, Voice over!
 
NVDA is coming along, but it has a way to go to be equal to Window-eyes.

I am successfully using Window-eyes 9.1 with XP Pro.
YOU are probably laughing, but MY company did over $500,000.00 using XP pro,
Window-eyes 9.1, AVG 2 year protection software,  Firefox for my browser,
Office 2003 with the ms converter patch to access office 2007 and up files,
and good old outlook express and outlook as email clients with little or no
issues!
  
I also have over 6 computers with windows 7 pro with  the latest Window-eyes
9.54 with little issues.
 
I wil go to Dolphin screen reader before I am stuck with no Window-eyes and
have NVDA as a backup screen reader.
 
Who knows, maybe if the alternative facts are true about the end of
Window-eyes, maybe some other adaptive company wil take it over and keep it
alive, Like HumanWare.

So I wil expect a refund from VFO if Window-eyes does not come out with any
major upgrades and use my refund to purchase Dolphin screen reader software
instead.

Regards,
Roger Behm




Adaptive Information Systems Inc. 
We Make Technology Accessible to the vision Impaired and Reading Disabled 

Roger A. Behm, President 
1611 Clover Lane 
Janesville WI 53545-1388 
Fax: 608-758-7898 
Voice: 608-758-0933 
Email: aist...@ameritech.net 
Web Page: www.adaptiveinformation.org 


-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+aistech=ameritech@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to
continue and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and
VoiceOver. So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover
everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without
any health care.

Peter Duran

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RE: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Darrell Bowles via Talk]

I didn't say that window-eyes would survive.  And didn't I already  say that 
JAWS, NVDA and narrator are left on the windows platform?

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dgbowles=msn@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 1:58 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: No future; Window-Eyes is dead!


It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy 
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue 
and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. 
So, get real and get to work.

I suppose those of you who believe that Window-Eyes will stay around also 
believe that the health care bill that passed the House last week will cover 
everybody as promised by Trump instead of leaving 24 million folks without any 
health care.

Peter Duran

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No future; Window-Eyes is dead!

[Peter Duran via Talk]

It always amazes me when smart folks (like on this list) prefer a fanticy 
instead of reality.  There is absolutely no reason for Window-Eyes to continue 
and compete with JFW.  Why would they do that?

There are 3 options to check out: Narrator on Windows 10, NVDA, and VoiceOver. 
So, get real and get to work.

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RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

[Rod Hutton via Talk]

Hi Brenda,

If VFO acquired legal title to the programming code for Window-Eyes, it is 
possible for any software developers at VFO to learn the code and upgrade it if 
necessary.

Hth,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Brenda via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 9:16 AM
To: Loy <loyrg2...@gmail.com>; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Who is going to design any future Window-Eyes upgrades/versions?


   It seems like most of the staff that was at GW in Ft. Wayne is gone.  
The ZoomText update was done by AI staff - perhaps before all the major 
changes at/around VFO, and they may still have staff left.


Just a thought.

And,doug is great - he has gotten back to me to answer questions, but I 
think he is the only one there.


Brenda


On 1/31/2017 8:46 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:
> They are still selling  SMA's and if their intention is to kill it, I believe 
> that would be illegal. I email Doug last week and got a response right away. 
> I am sure they are still in the mist of the merger. ZoomText just came out 
> with a new version.
>- Original Message -
>From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
>To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 8:25 PM
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead
>
>
>Peter: that is my very point.
>
>Certainly - off list - Doug did comment to me in a purely support question 
> way, and I was glad to receive it and my misunderstanding was resolved.  
> Doug, David Wu and Eric Dammery are all on the Executive group of VFO, and 
> all know what is going on.
>
>So: fantastic for me to get Doug's response to a support question, but 
> disappointed that senior, experienced and talented people seem unable to give 
> us a corporate update.
>
>
>
>Vaughan.
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
>Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 2:11 p.m.
>To: 'Sky Mundell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Charles Short'
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead
>
>Oh yeah,
>
>Where are the tech support personnel?  Have you noticed (I guess not) that 
> nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list 
> recently?
>
>Peter Duran
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk
>[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:30 PM
>To: 'Charles Short'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
>Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead
>
>Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years 
> now and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
>Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
>To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead
>
>Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be 
> released, I'm sure.
>
>
>Charlie Short
>
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RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Moe Adl via Talk]

To add to your thought,you can buy the current version of window Eyes on CD
for $20 in case. 

Moe.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+madl=comcast@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 7:40 AM
To: Mike Bernard; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Here's one thing to think about.  Microsoft will be coming out with windows 
10 creative update around April.  Will window-eyes work with it?

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Bernard via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 1:03 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I couldn't agree more Jim. In fact, just to add my own two cents worth to
the pot, for those who are so worried about Window-Eyes's demise, here's an
idea; If you have a current version of Window-Eyes on your Windows 8, 8.1,
or 10 computer, and it just happens to be functioning fine regardless of the
fact that it may be outdated, why not just stick with that version for now?
Even if the program does end up going down the tube some day, at least you'd
still have a copy of WE that actually works. Just a thought.

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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

Here's one thing to think about.  Microsoft will be coming out with windows 
10 creative update around April.  Will window-eyes work with it?


-Original Message- 
From: Mike Bernard via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 1:03 PM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I couldn't agree more Jim. In fact, just to add my own two cents worth to
the pot, for those who are so worried about Window-Eyes's demise, here's an
idea; If you have a current version of Window-Eyes on your Windows 8, 8.1,
or 10 computer, and it just happens to be functioning fine regardless of the
fact that it may be outdated, why not just stick with that version for now?
Even if the program does end up going down the tube some day, at least you'd
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Re: Window-Eyes isn't dead

[Brenda via Talk]

Who is going to design any future Window-Eyes upgrades/versions?


  It seems like most of the staff that was at GW in Ft. Wayne is gone.  
The ZoomText update was done by AI staff - perhaps before all the major 
changes at/around VFO, and they may still have staff left.



Just a thought.

And,doug is great - he has gotten back to me to answer questions, but I 
think he is the only one there.



Brenda


On 1/31/2017 8:46 AM, Loy via Talk wrote:

They are still selling  SMA's and if their intention is to kill it, I believe 
that would be illegal. I email Doug last week and got a response right away. I 
am sure they are still in the mist of the merger. ZoomText just came out with a 
new version.
   - Original Message -
   From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
   To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 8:25 PM
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead


   Peter: that is my very point.

   Certainly - off list - Doug did comment to me in a purely support question 
way, and I was glad to receive it and my misunderstanding was resolved.  Doug, 
David Wu and Eric Dammery are all on the Executive group of VFO, and all know 
what is going on.

   So: fantastic for me to get Doug's response to a support question, but 
disappointed that senior, experienced and talented people seem unable to give 
us a corporate update.



   Vaughan.



   -Original Message-
   From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
   Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 2:11 p.m.
   To: 'Sky Mundell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Charles Short'
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

   Oh yeah,

   Where are the tech support personnel?  Have you noticed (I guess not) that 
nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list 
recently?

   Peter Duran



   -Original Message-
   From: Talk
   [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
   Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:30 PM
   To: 'Charles Short'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
   Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

   Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years 
now and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.

   -Original Message-
   From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
   Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
   To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
   Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead

   Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be 
released, I'm sure.


   Charlie Short


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Re: Window-Eyes isn't dead

[Loy via Talk]

They are still selling  SMA's and if their intention is to kill it, I believe 
that would be illegal. I email Doug last week and got a response right away. I 
am sure they are still in the mist of the merger. ZoomText just came out with a 
new version.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk 
  To: 'Peter Duran' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
  Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 8:25 PM
  Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead


  Peter: that is my very point.

  Certainly - off list - Doug did comment to me in a purely support question 
way, and I was glad to receive it and my misunderstanding was resolved.  Doug, 
David Wu and Eric Dammery are all on the Executive group of VFO, and all know 
what is going on.

  So: fantastic for me to get Doug's response to a support question, but 
disappointed that senior, experienced and talented people seem unable to give 
us a corporate update.



  Vaughan.



  -Original Message-
  From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
  Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 2:11 p.m.
  To: 'Sky Mundell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Charles Short'
  Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

  Oh yeah,

  Where are the tech support personnel?  Have you noticed (I guess not) that 
nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list 
recently?

  Peter Duran



  -Original Message-
  From: Talk
  [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
  Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:30 PM
  To: 'Charles Short'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
  Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

  Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years now 
and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.

  -Original Message-
  From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Charles Short via Talk
  Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
  To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
  Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead

  Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be 
released, I'm sure.


  Charlie Short


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Re: Window-Eyes isn't dead

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Regardless of what happens with WE, you can't conflate a lack of support 
with the demise of a product.  With mergers there are organizational 
changes which will be made.

On 1/30/2017 8:10 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Oh yeah,
>
> Where are the tech support personnel?  Have you noticed (I guess not) that
> nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list
> recently?
>
> Peter Duran
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:30 PM
> To: 'Charles Short'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead
>
> Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years
> now and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+skyt=shaw...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Charles Short via Talk
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead
>
> Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be
> released, I'm sure.
>
>
> Charlie Short
>
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RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Peter: that is my very point.

Certainly - off list - Doug did comment to me in a purely support question way, 
and I was glad to receive it and my misunderstanding was resolved.  Doug, David 
Wu and Eric Dammery are all on the Executive group of VFO, and all know what is 
going on.

So: fantastic for me to get Doug's response to a support question, but 
disappointed that senior, experienced and talented people seem unable to give 
us a corporate update.



Vaughan.



-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 2:11 p.m.
To: 'Sky Mundell'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'; 'Charles Short'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Oh yeah,

Where are the tech support personnel?  Have you noticed (I guess not) that 
nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list 
recently?

Peter Duran



-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+peterduran2015=outlook@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:30 PM
To: 'Charles Short'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years now 
and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.

-Original Message-
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Of Charles Short via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 2:15 PM
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Subject: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be 
released, I'm sure.


Charlie Short


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RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

[Peter Duran via Talk]

Oh yeah,

Where are the tech support personnel?  Have you noticed (I guess not) that
nobody from GW Micro has responded to any of the questions on this list
recently?

Peter Duran



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Behalf Of Sky Mundell via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 5:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years
now and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.

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Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be
released, I'm sure.


Charlie Short


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RE: Window-Eyes isn't dead

[Sky Mundell via Talk]

Go on, Charles, go on!  Its still alive and it has been for over 21 years
now and for the moment it won't be going anywhere.

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Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be
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Charlie Short


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Window-Eyes isn't dead

[Charles Short via Talk]

Window-Eyes isn't dead, Window-Eyes is alive and well. .It will still be
released, I'm sure.


Charlie Short


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RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

Actually yes: and some of us have.  We've contacted VFO and I for one never 
even got the courtesy of an auto response.
And further yes: alert people through opinion and evidence that what is 
happening is important, and that assuming that VFO still has someone looking 
after this list through AI Squared - continue to express disatisfaction.

VFO has at least two choices: a growing number of unhappy and dissatisfied 
customers, or a growing number of satisfied customers.  The choice is VFO's.


Vaughan.



-Original Message-
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[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Kim Lingo via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, 31 January 2017 9:25 a.m.
To: Dave; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

The real question is this:  by people going on and on about it, can they 
actually _do_ anything about it?  If they can, I'm still waiting to hedar what. 
 If not, why not save yourselves time?

Kim Lingo


-Original Message-
From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 10:33 AM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have nothing 
to do with Window eyes?


Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and itsFuture, is 
about Window Eyes?

but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?

Sir, you have questionable logic.

Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Brenda via Talk]

I think what is relevant depends on who you are.  I was going about my 
life and had no idea of the issues until I got the email about the 
emergency update.  A call to tech support further alarmed me so I posted 
my question/concern to this list.  The replies gave me some idea of what 
was going on.  I really didn't find anyone to be snyppy.  It was helpful 
and comforting to learn the history of W-e from its beginnings in the 
90s among other things related to this topic.  The replies helped me to 
process the whole situation.



I have used Window-Eyes for about 10 years, and as my vision declined I 
came to rely on it. Every day I am greeted by Window-Eyes when I turn on 
my computer.  In the past, I knew I would find the help I needed from 
the folks at GW I had gotten to know over the phone.



I will use W-E as long as I can, but it does help me to know I'm not 
alone.  And since we aren't hearing much from AI squared, at least this 
list is a way to get clues so I'm not totally in the dark.



I do not plan on continuing to discuss this, unless I have future 
questions or maybe to compare info.  And, had this list not been here, I 
would be really clueless.



With the info I have received I can go on with my life.  I hope this is 
sufficient for those who aren't happy with this topic.



thanks for your patience

Brenda




On 1/30/2017 3:25 PM, Kim Lingo via Talk wrote:
The real question is this:  by people going on and on about it, can 
they actually _do_ anything about it?  If they can, I'm still waiting 
to hedar what.  If not, why not save yourselves time?


Kim Lingo


-Original Message- From: Dave via Talk
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 10:33 AM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have
nothing to do with Window eyes?


Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and 
itsFuture,

is about Window Eyes?

but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?

Sir, you have questionable logic.

Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?

Grumpy Dave




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Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Mike Bernard via Talk]

I couldn't agree more Jim. In fact, just to add my own two cents worth to
the pot, for those who are so worried about Window-Eyes's demise, here's an
idea; If you have a current version of Window-Eyes on your Windows 8, 8.1,
or 10 computer, and it just happens to be functioning fine regardless of the
fact that it may be outdated, why not just stick with that version for now?
Even if the program does end up going down the tube some day, at least you'd
still have a copy of WE that actually works. Just a thought.

Mike

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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Kim Lingo via Talk]

The real question is this:  by people going on and on about it, can they 
actually _do_ anything about it?  If they can, I'm still waiting to hedar 
what.  If not, why not save yourselves time?


Kim Lingo


-Original Message- 
From: Dave via Talk

Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 10:33 AM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have
nothing to do with Window eyes?


Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and itsFuture,
is about Window Eyes?

but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?

Sir, you have questionable logic.

Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Does NVDA have anything to do with Window-eyes?  The point is this list 
is filled with "irelevant  and inaccurate messages which some think, 
clutter the board..

On 1/30/2017 1:33 PM, Dave via Talk wrote:
> Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have
> nothing to do with Window eyes?
>
>
> Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and itsFuture,
> is about Window Eyes?
>
> but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?
>
> Sir, you have questionable logic.
>
> Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?
>
> Grumpy Dave
>
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Dave via Talk]

Jim, why not hit that delete key, and stop posting messages that have
nothing to do with Window eyes?  


Oh, you say telling some here to Not post about Window Eyes and itsFuture,
is about Window Eyes?  

but talking about the future of Window Eyes is not about Window Eyes?  

Sir, you have questionable logic.  

Trust me, it's easier to Hit that Delete key,  so why not try it?  

Grumpy Dave


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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Jim via Talk]

Jee! it would certainly be nice to actually read something Window-Eyes 
related instead of a bunch of sniping jiberish! I seriously believe 
their is nothing dead about Window-Eyes so why don't the folks that wish 
to talk about the death of W.E. create their own group.  They might call 
it window-Eyes is dead.  While the rest of us continue to use it.


I for one am getting sick and tired of reading about the demise of 
something before it has been declared dead..?<SMILE!>.
P.S. I do not work for nore represent in anyway ASquared so please do 
not ask me that!

Jim Wohlgamuth
On 29-Jan-17 00:38, Robert Grimwood via Talk wrote:

Chris,


do they pay you? Perhaps you are the only support person they have 
available.



LOL

Robert


On 1/29/2017 1:39 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
Here, we, go, again. everyone get their delete key fingers ready, 
andgo!



On 1/28/2017 7:26 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
Hello again,  > > As I mentioned before, when the people who do the 
work go away, 
then > the company and its products suffer. > > All the great people 
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Russ Kiehne via Talk]

And AI Squared has not said anything if there will be support for windows 10 
Creators update coming shortly.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike Pietruk via Talk

Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 4:06 AM
To: Nick Sarames ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Nick

That's exactly Peter's point -- and both of you have said it in different
ways with the same meaning.
Effectively, future development of WE is no more.  Granted, the PR side of
it could have been handled better; but that's a completely different
issue.
The question I have is this:  the acquiring entity now has a customer base
wwhich you would expect they would want to bring over to JFW.
The way you would want to do it, I would expect, is by some nominal charge
-- or remaining SMA's -- and get that userbase onboard.
At least at my end, this hasn't happened as of   yet.
That is what surprises me, not what has happened to WE which is entirely
expected given the marketplace.
Products come and go-- and this one, sad to say, appears, from all
indications, has gone.



From this day forward, it's going to be only America First, America First.

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On Sun, 29 Jan 2017, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:


So what's your point? In business, people come and go.

On 1/28/2017 7:26 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> As I mentioned before, when the people who do the work go away, then the 
> company and its products suffer.

>
> All the great people who made Window-Eyes the best are apparently gone.
>
> Peter Duran
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Mike Pietruk via Talk]

Nick

That's exactly Peter's point -- and both of you have said it in different 
ways with the same meaning.
Effectively, future development of WE is no more.  Granted, the PR side of 
it could have been handled better; but that's a completely different 
issue.
The question I have is this:  the acquiring entity now has a customer base 
wwhich you would expect they would want to bring over to JFW.  
The way you would want to do it, I would expect, is by some nominal charge 
-- or remaining SMA's -- and get that userbase onboard.
At least at my end, this hasn't happened as of   yet.
That is what surprises me, not what has happened to WE which is entirely 
expected given the marketplace.
Products come and go-- and this one, sad to say, appears, from all 
indications, has gone.


>From this day forward, it's going to be only America First, America First.
President Donald Trump, Inaugural Address, 1/20/17


On Sun, 29 Jan 2017, Nick Sarames via Talk wrote:

> So what's your point? In business, people come and go.
> 
> On 1/28/2017 7:26 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> > Hello again,
> >
> > As I mentioned before, when the people who do the work go away, then the 
> > company and its products suffer.
> >
> > All the great people who made Window-Eyes the best are apparently gone.
> >
> > Peter Duran
> >
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

So what's your point? In business, people come and go.

On 1/28/2017 7:26 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> As I mentioned before, when the people who do the work go away, then the 
> company and its products suffer.
>
> All the great people who made Window-Eyes the best are apparently gone.
>
> Peter Duran
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Robert Grimwood via Talk]

Chris,


do they pay you? Perhaps you are the only support person they have 
available.



LOL

Robert


On 1/29/2017 1:39 AM, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
Here, we, go, again. everyone get their delete key fingers ready, 
andgo!



On 1/28/2017 7:26 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
Hello again,  > > As I mentioned before, when the people who do the 
work go away, 
then > the company and its products suffer. > > All the great people 
who made Window-Eyes the best are apparently > gone. > > Peter Duran > 
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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Chris Skarstad via Talk]

Here, we, go, again. everyone get their delete key fingers ready, andgo!


On 1/28/2017 7:26 PM, Peter Duran via Talk wrote:
Hello again,  > > As I mentioned before, when the people who do the work go away, 
then > the company and its products suffer. > > All the great people who 
made Window-Eyes the best are apparently > gone. > > Peter Duran > > > 
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Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Peter Duran via Talk]

Hello again,

As I mentioned before, when the people who do the work go away, then the 
company and its products suffer.

All the great people who made Window-Eyes the best are apparently gone.

Peter Duran


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Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

And with all that said, you still have to use whatever leverage you 
have.  VFO owes us nothing!

On 12/22/2016 6:34 AM, Tony C wrote:
> Any community that is devided such as the blind community is has very
> limited leverage on anything. Even united the blind community is a very
> small percentage of the disabled community.
>
> -Original Message- From: Nick Sarames via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:19 AM
> To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; 'Bryan Peterson'
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> Of course it would be nice to have an official response from VFO, but
> you're not going to get it by wining on this board.  You're going to
> have to find a way to exhibit some leverage, and I'm not sure that's
> possible.  The blindness community is somewhat fragmented, with a large
> part of it being partially sighted.
>
> On 12/21/2016 7:01 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
>> I agree with Bryan's comments.  Would also just like to add that it
>> isn't difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement.
>>
>> Vaughan.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
>> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
>> Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m.
>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going
>> to lead to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good
>> program as someone who used it for ten years before switching to WE
>> I'm going to have to beg to differ, but that's another topic.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jim via Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
>> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> I agree!
>>
>> There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO
>> regarding this topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order
>> an SMA. So I think that someone is simply trying to start and continue
>> totally unfounded rumors.  I really do wish this list would get back
>> to discussing Window-Eyes and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting
>> and
>> spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
>> folks!  Have A Great Day! de
>>
>> .
>>
>>
>> On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>>> I agree.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Talk
>>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>>> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
>>> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's
>>> the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
>>> friends...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
>>>> selling it?  Pam.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>>>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>>
>>>> And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
>>>> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling
>>>> Window-Eyes.
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>>
>>>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
>>>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
>>>> this tell you?
>>>>
>>>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>>>
>>>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far
>>>>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>>>>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called
>>>>> about
>>>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Tony C via Talk]

Any community that is devided such as the blind community is has very 
limited leverage on anything. Even united the blind community is a very 
small percentage of the disabled community.


-Original Message- 
From: Nick Sarames via Talk

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:19 AM
To: Vaughan Dodd ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; 'Bryan Peterson'
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Of course it would be nice to have an official response from VFO, but
you're not going to get it by wining on this board.  You're going to
have to find a way to exhibit some leverage, and I'm not sure that's
possible.  The blindness community is somewhat fragmented, with a large
part of it being partially sighted.

On 12/21/2016 7:01 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
I agree with Bryan's comments.  Would also just like to add that it isn't 
difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement.


Vaughan.




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going to 
lead to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good program as 
someone who used it for ten years before switching to WE I'm going to have 
to beg to differ, but that's another topic.


-Original Message-
From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I agree!

There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding 
this topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I 
think that someone is simply trying to start and continue totally 
unfounded rumors.  I really do wish this list would get back to discussing 
Window-Eyes and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and

spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
folks!  Have A Great Day! de

.


On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's
the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
friends...




On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
selling it?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far
as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for
the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS
about Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very
good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job
than Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program,
and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and
greatest upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like
an Update, andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore
you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has
trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something
else in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves
and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear
Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could
find her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the old 
girl.


Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Of course it would be nice to have an official response from VFO, but 
you're not going to get it by wining on this board.  You're going to 
have to find a way to exhibit some leverage, and I'm not sure that's 
possible.  The blindness community is somewhat fragmented, with a large 
part of it being partially sighted.

On 12/21/2016 7:01 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
> I agree with Bryan's comments.  Would also just like to add that it isn't 
> difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement.
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m.
> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going to lead 
> to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good program as someone 
> who used it for ten years before switching to WE I'm going to have to beg to 
> differ, but that's another topic.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jim via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> I agree!
>
> There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding this 
> topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I think that 
> someone is simply trying to start and continue totally unfounded rumors.  I 
> really do wish this list would get back to discussing Window-Eyes and 
> Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and
> spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
> folks!  Have A Great Day! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>> I agree.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
>> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's
>> the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
>> friends...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
>>> selling it?  Pam.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
>>> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
>>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
>>> this tell you?
>>>
>>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>>
>>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far
>>>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>>>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for
>>>> the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS
>>>> about Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
>>>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very
>>>>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job
>>>>> than Window Eyes.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program,
>>>>> and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and
>>>>> greatest upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like
>>>>> an Update, andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore
>>>>> you spend an extra $200.
>>>>> Then

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Nick Sarames via Talk]

Please don't start moderating the list (infinity).

On 12/21/2016 8:58 PM, Vaughan Dodd via Talk wrote:
> Please: don't start moderating the list.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk 
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 2:43 p.m.
> To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> ys, For peat's sake. Please, let's get off the window eyes is dead trip. If 
> they are going to do away with it then that's what is going to happen. This 
> has been beat to death.  Get on with your day if you have one and stop 
> cluttering up the list with spectulation. Thanks.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:01 PM
> To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes DiscussionList'
> Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> I agree with Bryan's comments.  Would also just like to add that it isn't 
> difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement.
>
> Vaughan.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
> Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
> Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m.
> To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going to lead 
> to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good program as someone 
> who used it for ten years before switching to WE I'm going to have to beg to 
> differ, but that's another topic.
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Jim via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
> To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> I agree!
>
> There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding this 
> topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I think that 
> someone is simply trying to start and continue totally unfounded rumors.  I 
> really do wish this list would get back to discussing Window-Eyes and 
> Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and
> spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
> folks!  Have A Great Day! de
>
> .
>
>
> On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
>> I agree.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
>> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's
>> the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
>> friends...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
>>> selling it?  Pam.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
>>> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>>
>>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
>>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
>>> this tell you?
>>>
>>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>>
>>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far
>>>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>>>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for
>>>> the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS
>>>> about Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
>>>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>>>> Veronica, for me it is 

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Dennis Long via Talk]

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Tony C via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:43 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

ys, For peat's sake. Please, let's get off the window eyes is dead trip. If
they are going to do away with it then that's what is going to happen. This
has been beat to death.  Get on with your day if you have one and stop
cluttering up the list with spectulation. Thanks.

-Original Message-
From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:01 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes DiscussionList'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I agree with Bryan's comments.  Would also just like to add that it isn't
difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement.

Vaughan.




-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going to lead
to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good program as someone
who used it for ten years before switching to WE I'm going to have to beg to
differ, but that's another topic.

-Original Message-
From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I agree!

There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding this
topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I think
that someone is simply trying to start and continue totally unfounded
rumors.  I really do wish this list would get back to discussing Window-Eyes
and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and
spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
folks!  Have A Great Day! de

.


On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> I agree.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's 
> the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
> friends...
>
>
>
>
> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
>> selling it?  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai 
>> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent 
>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does 
>> this tell you?
>>
>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>
>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far 
>>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for 
>>> the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS 
>>> about Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY 
>>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very 
>>>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job 
>>>> than Window Eyes.
>>>>
>>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, 
>>>> and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and 
>>>> greatest upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like 
>>>> an Update, andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore 
>>>> you spend an extra $200.
>>>> Then
>>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
>>

Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Tony C via Talk]

ys, For peat's sake. Please, let's get off the window eyes is dead trip. If 
they are going to do away with it then that's what is going to happen. This 
has been beat to death.  Get on with your day if you have one and stop 
cluttering up the list with spectulation. Thanks.


-Original Message- 
From: Vaughan Dodd via Talk

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:01 PM
To: 'Bryan Peterson' ; 'Window-Eyes DiscussionList'
Subject: RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I agree with Bryan's comments.  Would also just like to add that it isn't 
difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement.


Vaughan.




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk

Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going to lead 
to more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good program as someone 
who used it for ten years before switching to WE I'm going to have to beg to 
differ, but that's another topic.


-Original Message-
From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I agree!

There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding this 
topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I think 
that someone is simply trying to start and continue totally unfounded 
rumors.  I really do wish this list would get back to discussing Window-Eyes 
and Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and

spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
folks!  Have A Great Day! de

.


On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:

I agree.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's
the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my
friends...




On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still
selling it?  Pam.

-Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai
Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.

-Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent
support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does
this tell you?

On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there FOLKS!

Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far
as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for
the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS
about Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY
APPRECIATE!. 


On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:

Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very
good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job
than Window Eyes.

But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program,
and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and
greatest upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like
an Update, andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore
you spend an extra $200.
Then
they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has
trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.

And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I
loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something
else in my system that caused the system lock up.

I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves
and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear
Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could
find her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the old 
girl.


Of course JAWS selling their program for over $1000 has nothing to
do with the desperation of many who are Blind.
   Here is something to think about- I am going to go out to the
Computer Store tonight, and Purchase a Quad Core 3.4 I5 System with
16 GB of RAM,  and a 750 GB Hard Drive, for $250.

We have a store here called Re-PC that takes in used systems

RE: Window-Eyes is Dead!

[Vaughan Dodd via Talk]

I agree with Bryan's comments.  Would also just like to add that it isn't 
difficult for VFO to provide an up-to-date statement.

Vaughan.




-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+vaughan.dodd001=msd.govt...@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Bryan Peterson via Talk
Sent: Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:24 p.m.
To: wohlg...@gmail.com; Dennis Long; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

Unfortunately the continued lack of an official answer is only going to lead to 
more such speculation. As for JAWS being a very good program as someone who 
used it for ten years before switching to WE I'm going to have to beg to 
differ, but that's another topic.

-Original Message-
From: Jim via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:16 PM
To: Dennis Long ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!

I agree!

There has been no official announcement from AISquared or VFO regarding this 
topic and yes, you can still call AISquared and order an SMA. So I think that 
someone is simply trying to start and continue totally unfounded rumors.  I 
really do wish this list would get back to discussing Window-Eyes and 
Window-Eyes issues instead of concocting and
spreading baseless rumors! If I am proven wrong, then so be it.   PLEASE
folks!  Have A Great Day! de

.


On 20-Dec-16 16:45, Dennis Long via Talk wrote:
> I agree.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Chris Skarstad via Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:18 PM
> To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>
> until i hear an official announcement window-eyes is not dead. it's 
> the thread that never ends...it goes on and on and on and on and on my 
> friends...
>
>
>
>
> On 12/18/2016 12:14 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
>> Well then if that's true, then why are the window eyes people still 
>> selling it?  Pam.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Russ Kiehne via Talk
>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:50 AM
>> To: brice Mijares ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> And lets add to that.  How about several employees leaving Ai 
>> Squared.  The VFO group has ask the dealers to stop selling Window-Eyes.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: brice Mijares via Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 6:35 PM
>> To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Window-Eyes is Dead!
>>
>> I been a window eyes user since the 90's and earlier this week I sent 
>> support a question and still haven't heard back from them. What does 
>> this tell you?
>>
>> On 12/17/2016 6:08 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:
>>> Hi there FOLKS!
>>>
>>> Well I seem to have addressed this issue just a few days ago, as far 
>>> as I know Window-Eyes is going no where in the near or intermediate
>>> future.  I really cannot say as much for the long run.   I called about
>>> obtaining a new LTO and they are still selling them and plan to for 
>>> the future as far as that goes.  So Please do not start this BS 
>>> about Window-Eyes being dead again.  That, I can say I would GREATLY 
>>> APPRECIATE!. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 17-Dec-16 20:27, Dave via Talk wrote:
>>>> Veronica, for me it is more of a personal thing.  JAWS does a very 
>>>> good job at reading screens, and in some cases it does a better job 
>>>> than Window Eyes.
>>>>
>>>> But, JAWS in my experience has very poor Support for its program, 
>>>> and they always want Money Money Money for their latest and 
>>>> greatest upgrade, and sometimes their latest upgrade is more like 
>>>> an Update, andcx isn't all that much better than what you had bfore 
>>>> you spend an extra $200.
>>>> Then
>>>> they put a Copywrite protection on their program so an owner has 
>>>> trouble installing on more than one or two Systems.
>>>>
>>>> And JAWS always seemed to be just a bit Buggy, and I hate it when I 
>>>> loose speech, and I cannot tell if it was Window Eyes or something 
>>>> else in my system that caused the system lock up.
>>>>
>>>> I am Joking, but I do understand that Blind people are all Thieves 
>>>> and we would steal the Copper Penny's covering our dear 
>>>> Grandmother's eyes, as she awaits her funeral, if we only could 
>>>> find her without someone taking our hand and leading us up to the old girl.
>>>>
>>>> O