Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN bus stops
From: Roger Slevin ro...@slevin.plus.com To: Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics talk-transit@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, 21 August, 2009 16:38:52 Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN bus stops Peter I can confirm that the Department for Transport would be supportive of any way in which we (and the local editors who maintain NaPTAN data as best they can) can get the feedback from OSM contributions to improve data accuracy. I will be happy to discuss how best this can be done – but I suggest that you and others on this list are much better placed to propose a method that works within the framework of OSM. Roger I have reported the faults I have found via the professional service we run for the DfT for the purpose (http://www.itoworld.com/static/naptan). I suggest that the DfT/Traveline might consider making this interface available to OSM mapping people to do the same or opening up a public version. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NaPTAN bus stops
Roger Slevin wrote: Peter I can confirm that the Department for Transport would be supportive of any way in which we (and the local editors who maintain NaPTAN data as best they can) can get the feedback from OSM contributions to improve data accuracy. I will be happy to discuss how best this can be done but I suggest that you and others on this list are much better placed to propose a method that works within the framework of OSM. Roger [snip] I have reported the faults I have found via the professional service we run for the DfT for the purpose (http://www.itoworld.com/static/naptan). I suggest that the DfT/Traveline might consider making this interface available to OSM mapping people to do the same or opening up a public version. It will be useful in time to run a comparison between the current NaPTAN and the current OSM and produce reports of where they are diverging. We would need the permission of the department to take a cut of the NaPTAN data before each run but I think they would be supportive. Sorry for the last post - finger trouble. So it seems that feeding back to NaPTAN would be good since they are interested in these improvements. As such we need to find all of the differences, including position changes. This still leaves us with the question: do we amend the naptan: tags or add our own to show the changes? What did the West Midlands guys do? Cheers, Chris ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Software using open street map data an d Licensing model / restrictions
Alex azli...@... writes: Hi, I am developing a Location based application that will both be available on mobile devices and on the internet. I plan to use OSM data, convert it and import it into my custom designed database. I also plan to generate my own tiles based on OSM data, certainly aggregated with other commercial and non.commercial (open) data sources. My mobile client will download the tiles that I will have generated and display them with Point of Interest info Hi, It may be tricky situation if your application will allow user input. I mean, your user can see a map through the application and then he locates a nice restaurant and saves it as point of interest into your system. There are people saying that the new POI was derived from the underlaying map. They may claim that if the base map was OSM then the new POI should definitly be under CC-SA and it would be fair to add it also into OSM database. What if there was a commercial map layer selected? In this case OSM absolutely does not want the POI because it is derived from copyrighted material. But what if both layers were selected and showed together? Where is the new POI derived from? With commercial map providers you can for sure make a deal that if you pay them you can do what ever you want with the POIs. They will just set the price. I do not know how it goes with OSM. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Mapmaker Data for Africa Released
My thoughts on Google MapMaker and OpenStreetMap, from their test release of Kenya in April http://brainoff.com/weblog/2009/04/01/1391 Basically, my reading of this very restrictive license is that it's not only useless for OSM, but for most non-profit uses. -Mikel From: Alexander Menk menk-you.should.remove.this.for.permanent.cont...@mestrona.net To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 1:32:40 PM Subject: [OSM-legal-talk] Mapmaker Data for Africa Released Hi! According to [1], G**gle released the dataset for Africa on [2]. They say, non-profit organizations can use it. Does that include OSM? Alex [1] http://google-africa.blogspot.com/ [2] https://services.google.com/fb/forms/mapmakerdatadownload/ ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Software using open street map data and Licensing model / restrictions
Ok! Many thanks to all for your clarifications. I guess the actual OSM license will not fit both with my application's licensing model and with the fact that I will be aggregating data from many different sources. So I will just avoid them for now. Maybe in the future if you guys think of alternate (i.e. dual) licensing models I will be more than happy to use your data as it is really becoming more and more interesting compared to other commercial (and sometimes barely affordable) geographic data source. See you then :) On 8/21/09, Jukka Rahkonen jukka.rahko...@mmmtike.fi wrote: Alex azli...@... writes: Hi, I am developing a Location based application that will both be available on mobile devices and on the internet. I plan to use OSM data, convert it and import it into my custom designed database. I also plan to generate my own tiles based on OSM data, certainly aggregated with other commercial and non.commercial (open) data sources. My mobile client will download the tiles that I will have generated and display them with Point of Interest info Hi, It may be tricky situation if your application will allow user input. I mean, your user can see a map through the application and then he locates a nice restaurant and saves it as point of interest into your system. There are people saying that the new POI was derived from the underlaying map. They may claim that if the base map was OSM then the new POI should definitly be under CC-SA and it would be fair to add it also into OSM database. What if there was a commercial map layer selected? In this case OSM absolutely does not want the POI because it is derived from copyrighted material. But what if both layers were selected and showed together? Where is the new POI derived from? With commercial map providers you can for sure make a deal that if you pay them you can do what ever you want with the POIs. They will just set the price. I do not know how it goes with OSM. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Selecting cycleways
You could also assume byway and track (tracktype=grade1/grade2, at least) are available for cyclists (neither would be likely to have bicycle access specified). Richard On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Rahkonen Jukka wrote: Cartinus wrote: You'd want to exclude cycleway=opposite as well, because that is just removing the oneway restriction for bicycles. But isn't it still kind of a cycleway and thus worth making it visible on a cyclemap? I forgot cycleway=opposite in my first reply, but it really isn't a cycleway. Imo, cycleway is a bad choice of key for this, something like oneway:bicycle=no would be much more appropriate. Unlike cycleway=opposite_lane and cycleway=opposite_track, there isn't any road or section of road specifically intended for bicycles, so it isn't more of a cycleway than any ordinary road. Of course, a cyclemap should still make sure to visibly indicate whether an oneway rule applies to bicycles. Tobias Knerr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] FW: [OpenStreetMap] Deine E-Mail- Adresse bestätigen
Can someone out there help Andreas with his issue re confirmation of his user account (see messages in German below)? He has sent this directly to me and I don't know how best to help him. Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Andreas Tille [mailto:andr...@an3as.eu] Sent: 21 August 2009 07:50 To: webmas...@openstreetmap.org Cc: mik...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [OpenStreetMap] Deine E-Mail-Adresse bestätigen [Hi Mike, I'm sorry to CC you in this request to webmas...@osm.org but I'm heavily afraid that this mail will probably end up in any SPAM folder. So I picked an obviosely active person answering questions on OSM-newbies who might perhaps give me the address / foreward this mail to a person responsible for creating accounts which failed somehow with an error message in my case. Thanks for any help and sorry for the nuisance Andreas ] Hallo, wenn ich dem Link unten folge, und auf Bestätigen klicke, bekomme ich: Ein Benutzeraccount wurde bereits mit diesem Link bestätigt. Der account ist aber noch nicht aktiviert. :-( Liegt es an meiner verspäteten Rückmeldung? (Ich hatte das whitelisten der Addresse doch etwas zu spät gemacht und Eure Mail landete tatsächlich im SPAM Ordner ...) Vielen Dank für Eure Mühen um OSM Andreas. On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:41:57AM +0100, webmas...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Hallo! Jemand (hoffentlich du) möchte ein Benutzerkonto erstellen für www.openstreetmap.org Wenn du das bist, Herzlich Willkommen! Bitte klicke auf den folgenden Link unter dieser Zeile, um dein Benutzerkonto zu bestätigen. Lies danach weiter, denn es folgen mehr Informationen über OSM. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/confirm?confirm_string=gm72vSHgOpiV8 jU1rTkvYDhyR59piC Ein Einführungsvideo zu OpenStreetMap kannst du dir hier anschauen: http://showmedo.com/videos/video?name=180fromSeriesID=180 Weitere Videos gibt es hier: http://showmedo.com/videos/series?name=mS2P1ZqS6 Weitere Informationen über OSM findest du in unserem Wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Beginners_Guide OpenGeoData.org ist das OpenStreetMap Blog; dort gibt es auch einen Podcast: http://www.opengeodata.org/ Im Wiki von OpenStreetMap kannst du dich ebenfalls registrieren: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php?title=Special:Userlogintype=s ignupreturnto=Hauptseite Es wird begrüßt wenn du dort eine Benutzerseite erstellst, welche einen Kategorie-Tag enthält der auf deinen Standort hinweist, zum Beispiel [[Category:Users_in_München]]. Eine Liste mit allen Benutzern in einer Kategorie, die anzeigt wo sie auf der Welt sind, ist hier verfügbar: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Users_by_geographical_regi on -- http://fam-tille.de Klarmachen zum Ändern! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] FW: [OpenStreetMap] Deine E-Mail-Adres se bestätigen
I translated the german part below so you're able to help him: Personally I have no idea why this failed. We (TomH and I on dev) have seen such a problem some time ago and thought we've fixed it. I'm pretty sure that this fail has nothing to do with the localized email in this case. Jonas Am 21.08.2009 um 09:51 schrieb Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com: Can someone out there help Andreas with his issue re confirmation of his user account (see messages in German below)? He has sent this directly to me and I don't know how best to help him. Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Andreas Tille [mailto:andr...@an3as.eu] Sent: 21 August 2009 07:50 To: webmas...@openstreetmap.org Cc: mik...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [OpenStreetMap] Deine E-Mail-Adresse bestätigen [Hi Mike, I'm sorry to CC you in this request to webmas...@osm.org but I'm heavily afraid that this mail will probably end up in any SPAM folder. So I picked an obviosely active person answering questions on OSM-newbies who might perhaps give me the address / foreward this mail to a person responsible for creating accounts which failed somehow with an error message in my case. Thanks for any help and sorry for the nuisance Andreas ] Hallo, wenn ich dem Link unten folge, und auf Bestätigen klicke, bekomme ich: If I click on the link below to verify/activate my account, I get the following message: Ein Benutzeraccount wurde bereits mit diesem Link bestätigt. An useraccount has already been activated with this link. Der account ist aber noch nicht aktiviert. :-( But my account is still not available/active. Liegt es an meiner verspäteten Rückmeldung? (Ich hatte das whitelist en der Addresse doch etwas zu spät gemacht und Eure Mail landete tatsächlic h im SPAM Ordner ...) The mail got in my spam folder and it took me some time to get it out of there, maybe this timespan was too long? Vielen Dank für Eure Mühen um OSM Andreas. On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:41:57AM +0100, webmas...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Hallo! Jemand (hoffentlich du) möchte ein Benutzerkonto erstellen für www.openstreetmap.org Wenn du das bist, Herzlich Willkommen! Bitte klicke auf den folgenden Link unter dieser Zeile, um dein Benutzerkonto zu bestätigen. Lies danach weiter, denn es folgen mehr Informationen über OSM. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/confirm? confirm_string=gm72vSHgOpiV8 jU1rTkvYDhyR59piC Ein Einführungsvideo zu OpenStreetMap kannst du dir hier anschauen: http://showmedo.com/videos/video?name=180fromSeriesID=180 Weitere Videos gibt es hier: http://showmedo.com/videos/series?name=mS2P1ZqS6 Weitere Informationen über OSM findest du in unserem Wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Beginners_Guide OpenGeoData.org ist das OpenStreetMap Blog; dort gibt es auch einen Podcast: http://www.opengeodata.org/ Im Wiki von OpenStreetMap kannst du dich ebenfalls registrieren: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php? title=Special:Userlogintype=s ignupreturnto=Hauptseite Es wird begrüßt wenn du dort eine Benutzerseite erstellst, welche einen Kategorie-Tag enthält der auf deinen Standort hinweist, zum Beispiel [[Category:Users_in_München]]. Eine Liste mit allen Benutzern in einer Kategorie, die anzeigt wo sie auf der Welt sind, ist hier verfügbar: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ Category:Users_by_geographical_regi on -- http://fam-tille.de Klarmachen zum Ändern! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
On 20/08/2009 22:12, Roy Wallace wrote: On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 12:30 AM, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 20/08/2009 15:27, Peter Körner wrote: IN such circumstances I use building=... or landuse=retail to outline the combined structure or area, and then use landuse=retail NODES within them to label each unit How can a node be of any landuse - it's no land, just a 0-dimensional point.. You're reading too much into the word, as so often happens with tags IMO. Very often nodes are used as place-holders for more complete data later. Churches, for example, are often large structures but most are represented by nodes. But a church is still tagged as a church. This is not the same as tagging a business as a landuse node. Actually, it's tagged as 'amenity'. The key bit is the value, 'place_of_worship', and likewise the key bit of the landuse is 'retail'. But again, you're being overly literal about the wording of tags. The tag name (as opposed to the value) isn't very helpful or useful in many cases. And in any case, I think there's something to be said for these large retail warehouses being marked differently from a shop. I think it is a perfectly valid way to do it, and as a side effect it gets these large landmarks on named on the map when simple shops aren't. I'm just saying that's the way I'm doing it in answer to someone's question. If you want to do it differently that's your prerogative. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] wikipedia - english
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, you wrote: I'm looking to implant some OSM maps into Wikipedia, but I need some examples of their wiki editing style so I don't get my edits rubbed out by the style police. Could people please advise me of wikipedia pages with OSM maps so I can view the style of the pages? Liz, See: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Collaboration_with_Wikipedia and http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap Jonathan. I've read all that, made my first map but I need to know how the maps are placed in the main pages -- BOFH excuse #147: Party-bug in the Aloha protocol. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM videos
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:48 PM, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 20/08/2009 19:22, Martijn van Exel wrote: I've forwarded the request for this video to my colleague who is taking care of the conversion and uploading. Matt Williams pointed out to me that it actually *is* there, but it wasn't obvious because it's got the wrong title at the start - it's duplicated from the Traveline one, so I hadn't realised it was the one I wanted. This one? Making the switch to OpenStreetMap http://www.vimeo.com/6051589 BTW. Getting good video audio is hard, it takes money with lots and lots of time. So dear Mr. Kugelmann please volunteer to record the German conference, or the next SOTM. -- /emj ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] wikipedia - english
--- On Fri, 21/8/09, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote: Nothing automated should happen with Australia yet. We need to check that any map is suitable for public display. A bad or unfinished map is dreadful advertising. All publicity is good publicity, it may encourage others to fix the bad looking map. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] FW: [OpenStreetMap] Deine E-Mail-Adres se bestätigen
Hi Kein Sprachproblem! Nur dass ich wüsste nicht, wie ich könnte sein Problem erlösen! Mit freundlichen Grüßen -Original Message- From: Jonas Krückel [mailto:o...@jonas-krueckel.de] Sent: 21 August 2009 09:06 To: Mike Harris Cc: newb...@openstreetmap.org; talk@openstreetmap.org; andr...@an3as.eu Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] FW: [OpenStreetMap] Deine E-Mail-Adresse bestätigen I translated the german part below so you're able to help him: Personally I have no idea why this failed. We (TomH and I on dev) have seen such a problem some time ago and thought we've fixed it. I'm pretty sure that this fail has nothing to do with the localized email in this case. Jonas Am 21.08.2009 um 09:51 schrieb Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com: Can someone out there help Andreas with his issue re confirmation of his user account (see messages in German below)? He has sent this directly to me and I don't know how best to help him. Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Andreas Tille [mailto:andr...@an3as.eu] Sent: 21 August 2009 07:50 To: webmas...@openstreetmap.org Cc: mik...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [OpenStreetMap] Deine E-Mail-Adresse bestätigen [Hi Mike, I'm sorry to CC you in this request to webmas...@osm.org but I'm heavily afraid that this mail will probably end up in any SPAM folder. So I picked an obviosely active person answering questions on OSM-newbies who might perhaps give me the address / foreward this mail to a person responsible for creating accounts which failed somehow with an error message in my case. Thanks for any help and sorry for the nuisance Andreas ] Hallo, wenn ich dem Link unten folge, und auf Bestätigen klicke, bekomme ich: If I click on the link below to verify/activate my account, I get the following message: Ein Benutzeraccount wurde bereits mit diesem Link bestätigt. An useraccount has already been activated with this link. Der account ist aber noch nicht aktiviert. :-( But my account is still not available/active. Liegt es an meiner verspäteten Rückmeldung? (Ich hatte das whitelist en der Addresse doch etwas zu spät gemacht und Eure Mail landete tatsächlic h im SPAM Ordner ...) The mail got in my spam folder and it took me some time to get it out of there, maybe this timespan was too long? Vielen Dank für Eure Mühen um OSM Andreas. On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:41:57AM +0100, webmas...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Hallo! Jemand (hoffentlich du) möchte ein Benutzerkonto erstellen für www.openstreetmap.org Wenn du das bist, Herzlich Willkommen! Bitte klicke auf den folgenden Link unter dieser Zeile, um dein Benutzerkonto zu bestätigen. Lies danach weiter, denn es folgen mehr Informationen über OSM. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/confirm? confirm_string=gm72vSHgOpiV8 jU1rTkvYDhyR59piC Ein Einführungsvideo zu OpenStreetMap kannst du dir hier anschauen: http://showmedo.com/videos/video?name=180fromSeriesID=180 Weitere Videos gibt es hier: http://showmedo.com/videos/series?name=mS2P1ZqS6 Weitere Informationen über OSM findest du in unserem Wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Beginners_Guide OpenGeoData.org ist das OpenStreetMap Blog; dort gibt es auch einen Podcast: http://www.opengeodata.org/ Im Wiki von OpenStreetMap kannst du dich ebenfalls registrieren: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php? title=Special:Userlogintype=s ignupreturnto=Hauptseite Es wird begrüßt wenn du dort eine Benutzerseite erstellst, welche einen Kategorie-Tag enthält der auf deinen Standort hinweist, zum Beispiel [[Category:Users_in_München]]. Eine Liste mit allen Benutzern in einer Kategorie, die anzeigt wo sie auf der Welt sind, ist hier verfügbar: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ Category:Users_by_geographical_regi on -- http://fam-tille.de Klarmachen zum Ändern! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] SOTM videos
On 21/08/2009 10:11, Erik Johansson wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:48 PM, David Earlda...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 20/08/2009 19:22, Martijn van Exel wrote: I've forwarded the request for this video to my colleague who is taking care of the conversion and uploading. Matt Williams pointed out to me that it actually *is* there, but it wasn't obvious because it's got the wrong title at the start - it's duplicated from the Traveline one, so I hadn't realised it was the one I wanted. This one? Making the switch to OpenStreetMap http://www.vimeo.com/6051589 Yes, that's the one, but it has the wrong caption at the beginning so I didn't recognise it for what it was. It's got the caption for the preceding talk, http://www.vimeo.com/6049527 BTW. Getting good video au dio is hard, it takes money with lots and lots of time. So dear Mr. Kugelmann please volunteer to record the German conference, or the next SOTM. Yes, I know, and it is appreciated. I was merely asking to prioritise that one over others. However, it appears that's already happened, so my apologies. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] wikipedia - english
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, Lars Aronsson wrote: In that category, you will already find over 500 map images. If you click on, for example, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cape_Town_City_Bowl_OSM_map.svg then there should be a check usage tab at the top of the page, that will list Wikipedia pages that use that particular map. thankyou Lars this is a big help ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
--- On Fri, 21/8/09, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: If you have some kind of database anyway (e.g. postgis for mapnik-rendering on cassini, it shouldn't be the problem. I have a suitable query, I just don't know how to turn the query into kml data, such as lines. select way from planet_osm_polygon where boundary='administrative' and admin_level='10' ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Selecting cycleways
In England and Wales, byways that are either Restricted Byways (RBs) or Byways Open to all Traffic (BOATs) may be used by cyclists as of right - i.e. not merely 'available'. Mike Harris _ From: Richard Mann [mailto:richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com] Sent: 21 August 2009 08:16 To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Selecting cycleways You could also assume byway and track (tracktype=grade1/grade2, at least) are available for cyclists (neither would be likely to have bicycle access specified). Richard On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Rahkonen Jukka wrote: Cartinus wrote: You'd want to exclude cycleway=opposite as well, because that is just removing the oneway restriction for bicycles. But isn't it still kind of a cycleway and thus worth making it visible on a cyclemap? I forgot cycleway=opposite in my first reply, but it really isn't a cycleway. Imo, cycleway is a bad choice of key for this, something like oneway:bicycle=no would be much more appropriate. Unlike cycleway=opposite_lane and cycleway=opposite_track, there isn't any road or section of road specifically intended for bicycles, so it isn't more of a cycleway than any ordinary road. Of course, a cyclemap should still make sure to visibly indicate whether an oneway rule applies to bicycles. Tobias Knerr ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
xplanet can download cloud images and overlay them onto a map/globe http://xplanet.sourceforge.net/ it just needs an OSM world-map image in plate-carre format to use as the ground image, and you'd have a cloud map. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Peter Körnerosm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Has anyone ever made an whether-overlay for openstreetmap using the Google [1] or the Yahoo API [2]? I think this would be possible with mapnik: * load a planet.osm into some kind of db (or process it in-place with a sax-parser) * find the regions with ZIP, PLZ or whatever * fetch the whether-info for these regions * add the regions to a/the postgis-db * let a renderd render the overlay-tiles using a stylesheet that only displays those whether-regions * server them using openlayers as an overlay May i'll try this but I wanted to share the idea. Peter [1] http://www.google.com/ig/api?weather=londonhl=en [2] http://developer.yahoo.com/weather/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
2009/8/21 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: And in any case, I think there's something to be said for these large retail warehouses being marked differently from a shop. I think it is a perfectly valid way to do it, and as a side effect it gets these large landmarks on named on the map when simple shops aren't. if you tag the outline (AREA) instead of a node, you'll get their names as well on the (rendered) map as long as they are big enough. I think that's the best approach (because you get the visibility correlated to the size of the area). I don't see why you have to add a node to label them. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Awards
Hi, I just stumpled across this list of awards that Wikipedia seem to have for their contributors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they come from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service ranks in the military. But whatever one thinks of them, they surely are fun for a lot of people, and give them a sense of achievement. In light of the recent discussions (mostly on osmf-talk) about how we might find a way to automatically let people who have a certain number of edits or some other small contribution threshold become members of OSMF (or at least confer some voting rights to them), we could maybe think about how one would algorithmically value contributions to OSM, yielding not only a set of funny awards we can give to people, but perhaps also a definition of who is an established contributor. Bear in mind that contributions to OSM are not only edits, but also tracks uploaded, Wiki pages edited, code commited to SVN, or tiles rendered for ti...@home... and that some edits may require lots of work while others can be done almost automatically. I'm interested to hear everybody's thoughts on the matter. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?
Thank you for all the replies. For the acorn, I think tourism=attraction is appropriate, and in this case, it's apparently also a historic landmark (historic=yes). The acorn has been around since the 1850s, which is around the time that the town was established. The description tag is also very useful. -Kate On 8/12/09, Igor Brejc igor.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I usually tag it as: tourism=attraction name=... description= Some other annotations ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Annotation) can also be useful. Regards, Igor On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Kate maps2w...@gmail.com wrote: At the last DC mapping party in Silver Spring, Maryland, I came across a giant acorn that should be marked on OSM, but not sure the best way to tag it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kmf164/3814667470/ Also, how we should tag attractions like the world's largest strawberry in Strawberry Point, Iowa: http://www.roadsideamerica.com/salad/strawberry.html -Kate ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Business Building Conventions
On 21/08/2009 15:04, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2009/8/21 David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com: And in any case, I think there's something to be said for these large retail warehouses being marked differently from a shop. I think it is a perfectly valid way to do it, and as a side effect it gets these large landmarks on named on the map when simple shops aren't. if you tag the outline (AREA) instead of a node, you'll get their names as well on the (rendered) map as long as they are big enough. I think that's the best approach (because you get the visibility correlated to the size of the area). I don't see why you have to add a node to label them. Yes I know, and I do that where approrpiate. But the discussion was about the case when you have a large block of same occupied by a number of different occupants. So you already have a large landuse=retail (or building=shop or some such) which may have its own name (Thingummy Shopping Centre) enclosing these nodes (e.g. Homebase). Dividing up the area doesn't reflect the reality on the ground (it's one industrial estate, one strip mall etc). Sometimes you can put buildings inside the landuse, and that's fine, but sometimes it is all one building with multiple occupants - and in any case, most of the areas I'm working in don't have Yahoo images, so I can't get decent individual building outlines in most cases. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
2009/8/21 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
I just stumpled across this list of awards that Wikipedia seem to
have for their contributors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards
One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they come
from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the
implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service
ranks in the military.
I'm interested to hear everybody's thoughts on the matter.
I'm not generally opposing this, but please don't make referrals to
totalitarism like this page does IMHO partly intended, partly unaware
(communist star (I know that this is an unexclusive meaning, e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_California but it IMHO still is
the general interpretation), little red book, and the worst (probably
unintended: {{SA-journeyman}} , {{SA-apprentice}}, etc. which in
German law would be ~using forbidden signs and symbols)
cheers,
Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
Barnstars are the main type of award. They are a way for one editor to give recognition to another editor for good work or a good deed. There are different types of barnstars, such as for photograph contributions, tireless contributor, defender of the wiki, etc. Though the number of types has gotten a little out of hand :) These don't normally get awarded for quantitative things like edit counts, though a user gave me one on Wikipedia for having x number of good articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Barnstars get delivered to your wiki user talk page. They can be displayed on your wikipedia user page or on a subpage. Though, there is a messaging feature on the main OSM site, there really isn't a place for people to display their awards. Though, they could go on the OSM wiki, where people have user pages and talk pages. -Kate On 8/21/09, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, I just stumpled across this list of awards that Wikipedia seem to have for their contributors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they come from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service ranks in the military. But whatever one thinks of them, they surely are fun for a lot of people, and give them a sense of achievement. In light of the recent discussions (mostly on osmf-talk) about how we might find a way to automatically let people who have a certain number of edits or some other small contribution threshold become members of OSMF (or at least confer some voting rights to them), we could maybe think about how one would algorithmically value contributions to OSM, yielding not only a set of funny awards we can give to people, but perhaps also a definition of who is an established contributor. Bear in mind that contributions to OSM are not only edits, but also tracks uploaded, Wiki pages edited, code commited to SVN, or tiles rendered for ti...@home... and that some edits may require lots of work while others can be done almost automatically. I'm interested to hear everybody's thoughts on the matter. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
You mean a mechanism much like trust points, but instead of aggregating all activitiy in a single number giving people various colorful awards in different areas for recognizing their work and some motivation? One of the awards being OSMF membership (or a significant discount on membership fee)? Sounds nice! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Stefanb/TrustPoints (we can call it karma, georank, osm longitude ... :) Stefan On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Frederik Rammfrede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, I just stumpled across this list of awards that Wikipedia seem to have for their contributors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they come from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service ranks in the military. But whatever one thinks of them, they surely are fun for a lot of people, and give them a sense of achievement. In light of the recent discussions (mostly on osmf-talk) about how we might find a way to automatically let people who have a certain number of edits or some other small contribution threshold become members of OSMF (or at least confer some voting rights to them), we could maybe think about how one would algorithmically value contributions to OSM, yielding not only a set of funny awards we can give to people, but perhaps also a definition of who is an established contributor. Bear in mind that contributions to OSM are not only edits, but also tracks uploaded, Wiki pages edited, code commited to SVN, or tiles rendered for ti...@home... and that some edits may require lots of work while others can be done almost automatically. I'm interested to hear everybody's thoughts on the matter. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Fwd: Awards
Oups, sorry 2009/8/21 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Hi, I just stumpled across this list of awards that Wikipedia seem to have for their contributors: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they come from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service ranks in the military. But whatever one thinks of them, they surely are fun for a lot of people, and give them a sense of achievement. In light of the recent discussions (mostly on osmf-talk) about how we might find a way to automatically let people who have a certain number of edits or some other small contribution threshold become members of OSMF (or at least confer some voting rights to them), we could maybe think about how one would algorithmically value contributions to OSM, yielding not only a set of funny awards we can give to people, but perhaps also a definition of who is an established contributor. Bear in mind that contributions to OSM are not only edits, but also tracks uploaded, Wiki pages edited, code commited to SVN, or tiles rendered for ti...@home... and that some edits may require lots of work while others can be done almost automatically. I'm interested to hear everybody's thoughts on the matter. There are more than one way to contribute to OSM: it is therefore very difficult to gauge what the criterias for an award would be. Do we want to also give awards to people contributing based on the number of line of code? I think that as soon as we are starting to introduce some kind of metrics, we will have people trying to skew the results in order to get the biggest number of awards. Most of us don't do this to be recognized. We have the satisfaction of seeing the map done. I think that for OSM rewards like having a map of an area is greater than some kind of ranks. Plus as Martin said, I kind of dislike hierarchy. There is already an implicit hierarchy I don't think we need to add an extra layer of this. Also, you have to take into consideration that as we reach completeness, those awards will become more and more difficult to achieve especially for the occasional contributor that is just mapping his area. Emilie Laffray ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 10:50 +, John Smith wrote: --- On Fri, 21/8/09, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: If you have some kind of database anyway (e.g. postgis for mapnik-rendering on cassini, it shouldn't be the problem. I have a suitable query, I just don't know how to turn the query into kml data, such as lines. select way from planet_osm_polygon where boundary='administrative' and admin_level='10' One possibility is: ogr2ogr -f KML admin.kml PG:dbname=gis -sql select name,transform(ST_ExteriorRing(way),4326) from planet_osm_polygon where boundary='administrative' and admin_level='10' This admin.kml loads up fine in GoogleEarth and the boundaries appear as lines. postgis also has an AsKML() function but this does not appear to create a complete KML document. It outputs the geometry data with no styling. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
El Viernes, 21 de Agosto de 2009, Frederik Ramm escribió: [...] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they come from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service ranks in the military. But whatever one thinks of them, they surely are fun for a lot of people, and give them a sense of achievement. We already have the lolcats of awsumnez for outstanding stuff, but it could be nice to give away hi-viz vests with more or less reflective strips, or different colours (orange-yellow-green-white). An even nicer thing would be tools of our trade: dioptra, astrolabe, sextant, octant, cross-staff, compass, circumferentor, theodolite, Gunter's chain, heliotrope, gyrocompass, gyrotheodolite, LIDAR rangefinder, GPS, and a total station. Cheers, -- -- Iván Sánchez Ortega i...@sanchezortega.es Aviso: Este e-mail es confidencial y no debería ser usado por nadie que no sea el destinatario original. No se permite la reproducción mediante fotocopia, walkie-talkie, emisora de radioaficionado, satélite, televisión por cable, proyector, señales de humo, código morse, braille, lenguaje de signos, taquigrafía o cualquier otro medio. Bajo ningún concepto debe traducirse al francés este e-mail. Este e-mail no puede ser ridiculizado, parodiado, juzgado en una competición, o leído en voz alta con un acento gracioso llevando un bigote falso y/o cualquier tipo de sombrero, incluyendo pero no limitándose a pañuelos. No inciten ni provoquen a este e-mail. Si está medicándose, puede experimentar nauseas, desorientación, histeria, vómitos, pérdida temporal de la memoria a corto plazo y malestar general al leer este e-mail. Consulte a su médico o farmacéutico antes de leer este e-mail. Todas las modelos descritas en este e-mail son mayores de 18 años. Si ha recibido este e-mail por error es probablemente porque estaba borracho cuando escribí la dirección del destinatario. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
At 16:33 21/08/2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2009/8/21 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
  I just stumpled across this list of awards that Wikipedia seem to
have for their contributors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards
One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they come
from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the
implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service
ranks in the military.
I'm interested to hear everybody's thoughts on the matter.
I'm not generally opposing this, but please don't make referrals to
totalitarism like this page does IMHO partly intended, partly unaware
(communist star (I know that this is an unexclusive meaning, e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_California but it IMHO still is
the general interpretation), little red book, and the worst (probably
unintended: {{SA-journeyman}} , {{SA-apprentice}}, etc. which in
German law would be ~using forbidden signs and symbols)
cheers,
Martin
Check out the 2007 Open Street Mapping Accolades, an Oscar Award parody
at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ewmjc/2007_OSMA_Awards for
another approach. Humour also has its dangers in a multi-cultural
environment; what is funny to one might be perplexing or insulting to
another unless done with care. That said, it is a gentle non-elitist way of
high-lighting some of the great things people have done to a wider audience.
Mike
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Re: [OSM-talk] FW: [OpenStreetMap] Deine E-Mail- Adresse bestätigen
Have you tried logging in? Could you please try using the Lost Password form: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/forgot-password Shaun On 21 Aug 2009, at 10:36, Mike Harris wrote: Hi Kein Sprachproblem! Nur dass ich wüsste nicht, wie ich könnte sein Problem erlösen! Mit freundlichen Grüßen -Original Message- From: Jonas Krückel [mailto:o...@jonas-krueckel.de] Sent: 21 August 2009 09:06 To: Mike Harris Cc: newb...@openstreetmap.org; talk@openstreetmap.org; andr...@an3as.eu Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] FW: [OpenStreetMap] Deine E-Mail-Adresse bestätigen I translated the german part below so you're able to help him: Personally I have no idea why this failed. We (TomH and I on dev) have seen such a problem some time ago and thought we've fixed it. I'm pretty sure that this fail has nothing to do with the localized email in this case. Jonas Am 21.08.2009 um 09:51 schrieb Mike Harris mik...@googlemail.com: Can someone out there help Andreas with his issue re confirmation of his user account (see messages in German below)? He has sent this directly to me and I don't know how best to help him. Mike Harris -Original Message- From: Andreas Tille [mailto:andr...@an3as.eu] Sent: 21 August 2009 07:50 To: webmas...@openstreetmap.org Cc: mik...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [OpenStreetMap] Deine E-Mail-Adresse bestätigen [Hi Mike, I'm sorry to CC you in this request to webmas...@osm.org but I'm heavily afraid that this mail will probably end up in any SPAM folder. So I picked an obviosely active person answering questions on OSM-newbies who might perhaps give me the address / foreward this mail to a person responsible for creating accounts which failed somehow with an error message in my case. Thanks for any help and sorry for the nuisance Andreas ] Hallo, wenn ich dem Link unten folge, und auf Bestätigen klicke, bekomme ich: If I click on the link below to verify/activate my account, I get the following message: Ein Benutzeraccount wurde bereits mit diesem Link bestätigt. An useraccount has already been activated with this link. Der account ist aber noch nicht aktiviert. :-( But my account is still not available/active. Liegt es an meiner verspäteten Rückmeldung? (Ich hatte das whitelist en der Addresse doch etwas zu spät gemacht und Eure Mail landete tatsächlic h im SPAM Ordner ...) The mail got in my spam folder and it took me some time to get it out of there, maybe this timespan was too long? Vielen Dank für Eure Mühen um OSM Andreas. On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:41:57AM +0100, webmas...@openstreetmap.org wrote: Hallo! Jemand (hoffentlich du) möchte ein Benutzerkonto erstellen für www.openstreetmap.org Wenn du das bist, Herzlich Willkommen! Bitte klicke auf den folgenden Link unter dieser Zeile, um dein Benutzerkonto zu bestätigen. Lies danach weiter, denn es folgen mehr Informationen über OSM. http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/confirm? confirm_string=gm72vSHgOpiV8 jU1rTkvYDhyR59piC Ein Einführungsvideo zu OpenStreetMap kannst du dir hier anschauen: http://showmedo.com/videos/video?name=180fromSeriesID=180 Weitere Videos gibt es hier: http://showmedo.com/videos/series?name=mS2P1ZqS6 Weitere Informationen über OSM findest du in unserem Wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Beginners_Guide OpenGeoData.org ist das OpenStreetMap Blog; dort gibt es auch einen Podcast: http://www.opengeodata.org/ Im Wiki von OpenStreetMap kannst du dich ebenfalls registrieren: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php? title=Special:Userlogintype=s ignupreturnto=Hauptseite Es wird begrüßt wenn du dort eine Benutzerseite erstellst, welche einen Kategorie-Tag enthält der auf deinen Standort hinweist, zum Beispiel [[Category:Users_in_München]]. Eine Liste mit allen Benutzern in einer Kategorie, die anzeigt wo sie auf der Welt sind, ist hier verfügbar: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ Category:Users_by_geographical_regi on -- http://fam-tille.de Klarmachen zum Ändern! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
I'm currently playing with the PostGIS Queries, too. I tried sth. like SELECT osm_id, name FROM planet_osm_polygon WHERE boundary='administrative' AND ST_Within(way, (SELECT way FROM planet_osm_polygon WHERE boundary='administrative' AND admin_level='2' AND name='Deutschland' LIMIT 1) ) to get all boundaries in germany but i only get Aachen [1] and Deutschland [2] back. Any idea? Peter [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?relation=62665 [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?relation=51477 Jon Burgess schrieb: On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 10:50 +, John Smith wrote: --- On Fri, 21/8/09, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: If you have some kind of database anyway (e.g. postgis for mapnik-rendering on cassini, it shouldn't be the problem. I have a suitable query, I just don't know how to turn the query into kml data, such as lines. select way from planet_osm_polygon where boundary='administrative' and admin_level='10' ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
admin_level=2 is country level, 4 and lower for state and regional boundaries. I'm aware of that and the admin_level=2 is only used in the subquery to determine the boundary of germany. The main query runs without a admin_level-condition, only with boundary='administrative', does it? Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
--- On Sat, 22/8/09, John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: ERROR 1: ERROR: AddToPROJ4SRSCache: Cannot find SRID (4326) in spatial_ref_sys nm, found this: psql gis /usr/share/postgresql-8.3-postgis/spatial_ref_sys.sql Then run this SQL query: INSERT into spatial_ref_sys (srid, auth_name, auth_srid, srtext, proj4text) values (900913 ,'EPSG',900913,'GEOGCS[WGS 84, DATUM[World Geodetic System 1984, SPHEROID[WGS 84, 6378137.0, 298.257223563,AUTHORITY[EPSG,7030]], AUTHORITY[EPSG,6326]],PRIMEM[Greenwich, 0.0, AUTHORITY[EPSG,8901]], NIT[degree,0.017453292519943295], AXIS[Longitude, EAST], AXIS[Latitude, NORTH],AUTHORITY[EPSG,4326]], PROJECTION[Mercator_1SP],PARAMETER[semi_minor, 6378137.0], PARAMETER[latitude_of_origin,0.0], PARAMETER[central_meridian, 0.0], PARAMETER[scale_factor,1.0], PARAMETER[false_easting, 0.0], PARAMETER[false_northing, 0.0],UNIT[m, 1.0], AXIS[x, EAST], AXIS[y, NORTH],AUTHORITY[EPSG,900913]] |','+proj=merc +a=6378137 +b=6378137 +lat_ts=0.0 +lon_0=0.0 +x_0=0.0 +y_0=0 +k=1.0 +units=m +nadgri...@null +no_defs'); ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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--- On Sat, 22/8/09, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: I'm aware of that and the admin_level=2 is only used in the subquery to determine the boundary of germany. The main query runs without a admin_level-condition, only with boundary='administrative', does it? What boundaries are you trying to find? ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
John Smith schrieb: --- On Sat, 22/8/09, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: I'm aware of that and the admin_level=2 is only used in the subquery to determine the boundary of germany. The main query runs without a admin_level-condition, only with boundary='administrative', does it? What boundaries are you trying to find? Any :) I'm just getting started. I tried to find any boundaries in a given Area, in this case in Germany. Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
John Smith schrieb: --- On Sat, 22/8/09, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Any :) I'm just getting started. I tried to find any boundaries in a given Area, in this case in Germany. Leave admin_level= out of the query Thank you for the hint :) Please take a look at my query, again: SELECT osm_id, name FROM planet_osm_polygon WHERE boundary='administrative' AND ST_Within(way, (SELECT way FROM planet_osm_polygon WHERE boundary='administrative' AND admin_level='2' AND name='Deutschland' LIMIT 1) ) These are two seperate queries: SELECT osm_id, name FROM planet_osm_polygon WHERE boundary='administrative' AND ST_Within(way, ... ) and SELECT way FROM planet_osm_polygon WHERE boundary='administrative' AND admin_level='2' AND name='Deutschland' LIMIT 1 The second should fetch the border of Germany and the first one all boundaries in that. At least that's what I want it to do :) Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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--- On Sat, 22/8/09, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: boundary='administrative' AND admin_level='2' AND name='Deutschland' LIMIT 1) ) to get all boundaries in germany but i only get Aachen [1] and Deutschland [2] back. Any idea? admin_level=2 is country level, 4 and lower for state and regional boundaries. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
--- On Sat, 22/8/09, Jon Burgess jburgess...@googlemail.com wrote: One possibility is: ogr2ogr -f KML admin.kml PG:dbname=gis -sql select name,transform(ST_ExteriorRing(way),4326) from planet_osm_polygon where boundary='administrative' and admin_level='10' I get the following error and have no idea how to get round/past it: ERROR 1: ERROR: AddToPROJ4SRSCache: Cannot find SRID (4326) in spatial_ref_sys postgis also has an AsKML() function but this does not appear to create a complete KML document. It outputs the geometry data with no styling. I found that as well, but couldn't figure out how to make use of it. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] How to tag giant acorn?
Bit late but punch Big Banana into the slippy map name finder. I saw Big Banana on a map in the early '80s and just had to drive there to see what was. Well, it was just that. Awe inspiring as bananas go but no explanatory sign, nothing else. Now it is a developed tourist facility. Mike unwinding At 16:12 21/08/2009, Kate wrote: Thank you for all the replies. For the acorn, I think tourism=attraction is appropriate, and in this case, it's apparently also a historic landmark (historic=yes). The acorn has been around since the 1850s, which is around the time that the town was established. The description tag is also very useful. -Kate On 8/12/09, Igor Brejc igor.br...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I usually tag it as: tourism=attraction name=... description= Some other annotations ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Annotation)http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Annotation%29can also be useful. Regards, Igor On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Kate maps2w...@gmail.com wrote: At the last DC mapping party in Silver Spring, Maryland, I came across a giant acorn that should be marked on OSM, but not sure the best way to tag it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kmf164/3814667470/ Also, how we should tag attractions like the world's largest strawberry in Strawberry Point, Iowa: http://www.roadsideamerica.com/salad/strawberry.html -Kate ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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John Smith schrieb: --- On Sat, 22/8/09, Jon Burgess jburgess...@googlemail.com wrote: This admin.kml loads up fine in GoogleEarth and the boundaries appear as lines. Thanks for your help, just admin_level=10 information for only the Australia region is 186M uncompressed and 76M when zipped. Will have to come up with a new plan where the map moves request a small section of this information, rather than everything. I thought of this before and that's why I would suggest to do it with mapnik mod_tiles or so (as is said in my initial posting). Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
--- On Sat, 22/8/09, Jon Burgess jburgess...@googlemail.com wrote: This admin.kml loads up fine in GoogleEarth and the boundaries appear as lines. Thanks for your help, just admin_level=10 information for only the Australia region is 186M uncompressed and 76M when zipped. Will have to come up with a new plan where the map moves request a small section of this information, rather than everything. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
--- On Sat, 22/8/09, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: I thought of this before and that's why I would suggest to do it with mapnik mod_tiles or so (as is said in my initial posting). I currently do, but I was hoping to avoid needing 2 tile sets just for showing the admin_level=10 boundary. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - incline up down
On 21/08/2009, at 03.00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Yeah, numeric value is better, but up/down is better than nothing. I think both should be allowed and within the scope of the proposal. if you already have good elevation data you can also tag the nodes with ele=xy (but nodes can always be moved, so this data might not be most reliable). Inclines are easy to calculate if elevation data is available. IMHO tagging data with incline=* is the wrong solution to an important problem, and it signals the beginning of an immense and never-ending task of maintaining hard-to-verify data. It would be much better to work on a proper solution that involves designing a system for registering topographical data within street maps. Cheers, Morten ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
Mike Collinson wrote:
Sent: 21 August 2009 4:11 PM
To: OSM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
At 16:33 21/08/2009, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2009/8/21 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
  I just stumpled across this list of awards that Wikipedia seem to
have for their contributors:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Service_awards
One part of me finds them funny, and interesting, almost as if they
come
from some sort of role playing game. Another part of me abhors the
implicit hierarchy conferred by such awards, it is almost like service
ranks in the military.
I'm interested to hear everybody's thoughts on the matter.
I'm not generally opposing this, but please don't make referrals to
totalitarism like this page does IMHO partly intended, partly unaware
(communist star (I know that this is an unexclusive meaning, e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_California but it IMHO still is
the general interpretation), little red book, and the worst (probably
unintended: {{SA-journeyman}} , {{SA-apprentice}}, etc. which in
German law would be ~using forbidden signs and symbols)
cheers,
Martin
Check out the 2007 Open Street Mapping Accolades, an Oscar Award parody
at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ewmjc/2007_OSMA_Awards for
another approach. Humour also has its dangers in a multi-cultural
environment; what is funny to one might be perplexing or insulting to
another unless done with care. That said, it is a gentle non-elitist way
of high-lighting some of the great things people have done to a wider
audience.
Mike
And we actually have some prior star accolades, similar to the barnstars
approach I guess. I even have a couple of them at the bottom of my wiki page
gratefully presented by others [1] many GPS tracks ago. It was a bit of fun
at the time and I certainly dont feel the need to have any more, but I can
understand how, especially for newcomers, something that reinforces that
they really have joined the community can help build confidence and
motivate.
Cheers
Andy
[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Blackadder#Awards
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Re: [OSM-talk] Weather overlay
--- On Sat, 22/8/09, Peter Körner osm-li...@mazdermind.de wrote: Thank you for the hint :) I really shouldn't be emailing when tired... The second should fetch the border of Germany and the first one all boundaries in that. At least that's what I want it to do :) I just ran that query on my database and used name='Australia' and it works as you thought it should. SELECT count(osm_id) FROM planet_osm_polygon WHERE boundary='administrative' AND ST_Within(way, (SELECT way FROM planet_osm_polygon WHERE boundary='administrative' AND admin_level='2' AND name='Australia' LIMIT 1)) I'm still waiting for it to finish counting, but I ran it with a limit 10 and it worked fine. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Mysterious PostGIS Problem with Polygons
The second should fetch the border of Germany and the first one all boundaries in that. At least that's what I want it to do :) I just ran that query on my database and used name='Australia' and it works as you thought it should. Yes, you're right. It works with Nederland, Australia, Italia but not with Deutschland, Danmark, Polska SELECT osm_id, admin_level, name FROM planet_osm_polygon WHERE ST_Within(way, ( SELECT way FROM planet_osm_polygon WHERE boundary='administrative' AND name='Polska' LIMIT 1 )) AND boundary='administrative' LIMIT 25 Any Idea Why? Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Change of Venue for Anniversary Party
The Anniversary party is now at The Mulberry Bush, not the Porterhouse. The Mulberry bush has an outside area and is quieter on saturdays than the Porterhouse, which is usually rammed. Sorry for the late notice. Indecisiveness and the chance of nice weather are to blame :-) http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=51.507181mlon=-0.11026zoom=18layers=B000FTF -- Nick Black twitter.com/nick_b ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mysterious PostGIS Problem with Polygons
On Fri, 2009-08-21 at 18:51 +0200, Peter Körner wrote:
The second should fetch the border of Germany and the first
one all boundaries in that. At least that's what I want it
to do :)
I just ran that query on my database and used name='Australia' and it works
as you thought it should.
Yes, you're right. It works with
Nederland, Australia, Italia
but not with
Deutschland, Danmark, Polska
SELECT osm_id, admin_level, name
FROM planet_osm_polygon
WHERE ST_Within(way, (
SELECT way
FROM planet_osm_polygon
WHERE boundary='administrative' AND
name='Polska'
LIMIT 1
))
AND boundary='administrative'
LIMIT 25
Any Idea Why?
In part it could be caused by invalid geometries. Postgis reports that
only Polska is actually a valid polygon geometry. Any errors could upset
algorithms like ST_Within().
gis= select name,isvalid(way) from planet_osm_polygon where
boundary='administrative' AND admin_level='2' AND name in
('Deutschland','Danmark','Polska','Nederland','Australia','Italia');
NOTICE: Holes are nested
NOTICE: Hole lies outside shell
NOTICE: Hole lies outside shell
NOTICE: Hole lies outside shell
NOTICE: Hole lies outside shell
name | isvalid
-+-
Nederland | f
Polska | t
Italia | f
Deutschland | f
Danmark | f
Australia | f
(6 rows)
Jon
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Re: [OSM-talk] Awards
On 21 Aug 2009, at 17:16, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: And we actually have some prior star accolades, similar to the barnstars approach I guess. I even have a couple of them at the bottom of my wiki page gratefully presented by others [1] many GPS tracks ago. It was a bit of fun at the time and I certainly don’t feel the need to have any more, but I can understand how, especially for newcomers, something that reinforces that they really have joined the community can help build confidence and motivate. I recently noticed that I'd been awarded my MegaStar for uploading one million track points. You just reminded me to check my history only for me to find that I actually got the award just over a year ago. Be assure, I am very humbled at the achievement, even if I'm only noticing a year later! John___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] REMINDER: Server Down Time - 22nd to 23rd August 2009
A reminder that our main project servers will be offline this weekend (see details below). Wiki is currently creaking under strain but should be available along with the mailing lists over the weekend. Enjoy you edit free weekend. Go out and map lots instead :-) Please pass the message around again to your local lists. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:dev-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Grant Slater Sent: 14 August 2009 3:34 PM To: Talk Openstreetmap; osmdev Subject: [OSM-dev] Server Down Time - 22nd to 23rd August 2009 OSM, Next weekend, 22nd/23rd August OpenStreetMap's main servers will be unavailable due to electrical maintenance works at University College London. www.openstreetmap.org [1] and the API will be unavailable during this period from approximately 5am GMT Saturday August 22nd until 10pm GMT Sunday August 23rd. The wiki and mailing lists will continue to be available during this period. Arrangements are under way to keep http://tile.openstreetmap.org/ available, but as yet we are unable to confirm. The sysadmin team are not taking a break; we are using this opportunity to reorganise the server hardware and are installing a large set of hardware upgrades recently approved by the OpenStreetMap Foundation. [2] Please pass this message onto the local OSM lists. 1: www.openstreetmap.org will be replaced by a simple notice website during this period. 2: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Servers/Upgrades/082009 Grant on behalf of OpenStreetMap Sysadmin Team. ___ dev mailing list d...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - incline up down
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Morten Kjeldgaard m...@bioxray.au.dk wrote: On 21/08/2009, at 03.00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Yeah, numeric value is better, but up/down is better than nothing. I think both should be allowed and within the scope of the proposal. if you already have good elevation data you can also tag the nodes with ele=xy (but nodes can always be moved, so this data might not be most reliable). Inclines are easy to calculate if elevation data is available. IMHO tagging data with incline=* is the wrong solution to an important problem, and it signals the beginning of an immense and never-ending task of maintaining hard-to-verify data. It would be much better to work on a proper solution that involves designing a system for registering topographical data within street maps. Inclines are easy to calculate if elevation data is available - that's a big if, isn't it? hard-to-verify data - I don't see why incline=* is any harder to verify than ele=* - as you said yourself, if you have one you can calculate/verify the other... It would be much better to...design a system for registering topographical data - sounds good, go for it. But I don't see a problem with using incline=* in the meantime. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Artikel in het Financieel Dagblad
Milo, Ik vond het gewoon een leuke aankondiging van Henk en begrijp helemaal niet waar je negatieve sentiment vandaan komt. Als er iets speelt tussen Henk en jou lijkt het me beter om eens contact met elkaar op te nemen. Groet, Martijn martijn van exel http://schaaltreinen.nl/ twitter / skype: mvexel flickr: rhodes 2009/8/21 Milo van der Linden m...@opengeo.nl: Tsja... Op de lagere school heet op deze manier met je klasgenootjes praten gewoon pesten... Je vertelt eigenlijk helemaal niets met deze mail. Geen details over het artikel, waarover het gaat, waarom het in het FD verschijnt. Het lijkt alsof je dit puur roept om aan te geven: Hey, ik weet iets wat jullie niet weten! Van zulks macho gedrag houd ik niet. Wacht dan gewoon een dag en stuur ons een link naar het hele artikel. Op het gebied van open communiceren vind ik dit een hele slechte! Henk Hoff schreef: Beste mensen, Morgen (vrijdag) staat er een artikel over OpenStreetMap in het Financieel Dagblad (www.fd.nl). Ik heb begrepen dat het voorpagina nieuws is Gr, Henk Hoff ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Artikel in het Financieel Dagblad
Ik denk dat ze hiermee hun TomTom HD traffic service (of hoe dat dan ook heet) bedoelen Gr, Henk Op 21 augustus 2009 12:41 schreef Floris Looijesteijn (o...@floris.nu) het volgende: Aardig artikeltje, maar iemand enig idee wat Tom Tom hier mee bedoeld? 'Daarnaast hebben wij technische snufjes zoals het meten van de gereden snelheid, die heeft OSM niet.' Groet, Floris ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Artikel in het Financieel Dagblad
oh ja, dat zullen ze inderdaad wel bedoelen. beetje vreemd om hardware en data te vergelijken. misschien voelen ze zich toch stiekem wel een beetje bedreigd :D groet, floris Henk Hoff wrote: Ik denk dat ze hiermee hun TomTom HD traffic service (of hoe dat dan ook heet) bedoelen Gr, Henk Op 21 augustus 2009 12:41 schreef Floris Looijesteijn (o...@floris.nu) het volgende: Aardig artikeltje, maar iemand enig idee wat Tom Tom hier mee bedoeld? 'Daarnaast hebben wij technische snufjes zoals het meten van de gereden snelheid, die heeft OSM niet.' Groet, Floris ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] openstreetmap.org dit weekend beperkt beschikbaar!
Beste mensen, Voor het geval jullie het nog niet via een ander kanaal hebben gehoord: Dit weekend wordt er groot onderhoud uitgevoerd bij de hostingpartij waar de openstreetmap-servers staan. Er wordt onderandere een nieuwe stroomvoorziening geïnstalleerd. Dit moment wordt ook aangegrepen om onze servers aldaar te reorganiseren. Hoe dan ook: dit weekend is o.a. de API niet beschikbaar, hetgeen o.a. betekent dat je geen wijzigingen in de kaart kunt aanbrengen. Ook andere services zullen beperkt tot niet beschikbaar zijn dit weekend. Ik zou zeggen: het wordt mooi weer. Een mooie aanleiding om dit weekend een keer iets buiten de deur te doen ;-) Groet, Henk Hoff ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] openstreetmap.org dit weekend beperkt beschikbaar!
En ondanks dat het forum bij een andere partij hier in Nederland gehost wordt zal ook deze helaas niet gebruikt kunnen worden. Bij het inloggen wordt de gebruiker geauthoriseerd door de www.osm.org gebruikers database en die is dus offline. Henk Hoff wrote: Beste mensen, Voor het geval jullie het nog niet via een ander kanaal hebben gehoord: Dit weekend wordt er groot onderhoud uitgevoerd bij de hostingpartij waar de openstreetmap-servers staan. Er wordt onderandere een nieuwe stroomvoorziening geïnstalleerd. Dit moment wordt ook aangegrepen om onze servers aldaar te reorganiseren. Hoe dan ook: dit weekend is o.a. de API niet beschikbaar, hetgeen o.a. betekent dat je geen wijzigingen in de kaart kunt aanbrengen. Ook andere services zullen beperkt tot niet beschikbaar zijn dit weekend. Ik zou zeggen: het wordt mooi weer. Een mooie aanleiding om dit weekend een keer iets buiten de deur te doen ;-) Groet, Henk Hoff ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Artikel in het Financieel Dagblad
IQ routes, van elk wegstukje houden ze gegevens bij hoe snel gebruikers het stukje op een bepaald tijdstip hebben afgelegd. Dit gebruiken ze dan weer om de snelste routes mee te plannen, dus niet alleen gebruik maken van Vmax en afstand van wegen. Maar die kritiek is inderdaad hoogstens van toepassing op routeplanners die van osm gebruik maken, niet osm zelf. En voor de data zelf zet TomTom zelf ook gebruikers in (MapShare). Die updates zijn trouwens wel gratis te ontvangen. Matthijs Henk Hoff schreef: Ik denk dat ze hiermee hun TomTom HD traffic service (of hoe dat dan ook heet) bedoelen Gr, Henk Op 21 augustus 2009 12:41 schreef Floris Looijesteijn (o...@floris.nu) het volgende: Aardig artikeltje, maar iemand enig idee wat Tom Tom hier mee bedoeld? 'Daarnaast hebben wij technische snufjes zoals het meten van de gereden snelheid, die heeft OSM niet.' Groet, Floris ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[OSM-talk-nl] [Fwd: Stands at T-DOSE 2009]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 - Originele bericht Dear projects, T-DOSE 2009 is on 3rd till 4th of October in Eindhoven at the Fontys University of applied science. See location for more details http://www.t-dose.org/t-dose/location. I want to thank you for being present at our conference. With your help T-DOSE 2009 will be bigger and better then last year. So do not hesitate to announce your presence at T-DOSE on your projects website and tell everybody about this nice conference. Here is information on the stands and speakerslots. Open Source project stands == The entrance opens at 09:00 hrs and close on 18:30 hrs on Saturday and Sunday. Here some details on the stand: - - the size of the stand is a normal table - - wifi/ethernet access to Internet is available - - bring your own ethernet cables - - bring your own power cords - - wall space is limited so not everybody will have the capability to hang something on a wall, so bring your own 'wall' ;-) if you need one - - at the event the projects name will be put on a 'stand' table so you know where you are supposed to be - - stands are at the entrance of the building Call For Paper == The call for paper ends on 30 of August. Possible subjects for talks are: Web 2.0, Desktop, Multimedia, Gaming, Embedded and other good ideas. Speakers can send ideas and abstracts to: abstra...@t-dose.org. The e-mail should contain a short biography of the speaker and description of the talk. - -- Kind regards, Jean-Paul Saman T-DOSE Foundation | W: www.t-dose.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAkqOmZkACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn3i+ACfZm0sAfhBb+bMI44vqPAvrId3 w5gAmwQr1S88BKfNyNLJOWfJ7PBHMCeM =uVmA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [Fwd: Stands at T-DOSE 2009]
Hallo, OpenStreetMap is dit jaar daar ook weer aanwezig. Zijn er nog mensen die ook nog even wat tijd willen vrij maken om een infostand te bemensen? Zijn er trouwens nog zaken die we in het kader van OpenStreetMap daar extra onder de aandacht kunnen/moeten brengen? Gr, Henk Hoff 2009/8/21 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 - Originele bericht Dear projects, T-DOSE 2009 is on 3rd till 4th of October in Eindhoven at the Fontys University of applied science. See location for more details http://www.t-dose.org/t-dose/location. I want to thank you for being present at our conference. With your help T-DOSE 2009 will be bigger and better then last year. So do not hesitate to announce your presence at T-DOSE on your projects website and tell everybody about this nice conference. Here is information on the stands and speakerslots. Open Source project stands == The entrance opens at 09:00 hrs and close on 18:30 hrs on Saturday and Sunday. Here some details on the stand: - - the size of the stand is a normal table - - wifi/ethernet access to Internet is available - - bring your own ethernet cables - - bring your own power cords - - wall space is limited so not everybody will have the capability to hang something on a wall, so bring your own 'wall' ;-) if you need one - - at the event the projects name will be put on a 'stand' table so you know where you are supposed to be - - stands are at the entrance of the building Call For Paper == The call for paper ends on 30 of August. Possible subjects for talks are: Web 2.0, Desktop, Multimedia, Gaming, Embedded and other good ideas. Speakers can send ideas and abstracts to: abstra...@t-dose.org. The e-mail should contain a short biography of the speaker and description of the talk. - -- Kind regards, Jean-Paul Saman T-DOSE Foundation | W: www.t-dose.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAkqOmZkACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn3i+ACfZm0sAfhBb+bMI44vqPAvrId3 w5gAmwQr1S88BKfNyNLJOWfJ7PBHMCeM =uVmA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [Fwd: Stands at T-DOSE 2009]
Ja hoor, ik kan wel 1 van de twee dagen aanwezig zijn. wie maakt er een schematje? misschien wel aardig als we minstens met z'n tweeen zijn. wie was er vorig jaar bij en hoe geinteresseerd was het publiek? groet, floris Henk Hoff wrote: Hallo, OpenStreetMap is dit jaar daar ook weer aanwezig. Zijn er nog mensen die ook nog even wat tijd willen vrij maken om een infostand te bemensen? Zijn er trouwens nog zaken die we in het kader van OpenStreetMap daar extra onder de aandacht kunnen/moeten brengen? Gr, Henk Hoff 2009/8/21 Stefan de Konink ste...@konink.de: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 - Originele bericht Dear projects, T-DOSE 2009 is on 3rd till 4th of October in Eindhoven at the Fontys University of applied science. See location for more details http://www.t-dose.org/t-dose/location. I want to thank you for being present at our conference. With your help T-DOSE 2009 will be bigger and better then last year. So do not hesitate to announce your presence at T-DOSE on your projects website and tell everybody about this nice conference. Here is information on the stands and speakerslots. Open Source project stands == The entrance opens at 09:00 hrs and close on 18:30 hrs on Saturday and Sunday. Here some details on the stand: - - the size of the stand is a normal table - - wifi/ethernet access to Internet is available - - bring your own ethernet cables - - bring your own power cords - - wall space is limited so not everybody will have the capability to hang something on a wall, so bring your own 'wall' ;-) if you need one - - at the event the projects name will be put on a 'stand' table so you know where you are supposed to be - - stands are at the entrance of the building Call For Paper == The call for paper ends on 30 of August. Possible subjects for talks are: Web 2.0, Desktop, Multimedia, Gaming, Embedded and other good ideas. Speakers can send ideas and abstracts to: abstra...@t-dose.org. The e-mail should contain a short biography of the speaker and description of the talk. - -- Kind regards, Jean-Paul Saman T-DOSE Foundation | W: www.t-dose.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAkqOmZkACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn3i+ACfZm0sAfhBb+bMI44vqPAvrId3 w5gAmwQr1S88BKfNyNLJOWfJ7PBHMCeM =uVmA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] [Fwd: Stands at T-DOSE 2009]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Floris Looijesteijn schreef: Ja hoor, ik kan wel 1 van de twee dagen aanwezig zijn. wie maakt er een schematje? misschien wel aardig als we minstens met z'n tweeen zijn. wie was er vorig jaar bij en hoe geinteresseerd was het publiek? Ikke. Niet zo :) we hadden buiten de Elphel geen spectaculaire dingen. Stefan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEAREKAAYFAkqOs2sACgkQYH1+F2Rqwn2dhwCeIMf132p7xR1MCmW5isOE3zdK QwcAn1GYsTk1UvzazdqBEIf6ORiDtnLW =MHgc -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [talk-au] Would anyone buy one of these?
I bought mine from Graham Smith in the UK (last year some time). He still uses sonicresolutions domain to host pictures and email etc, but you're not buying from the company as such. And that assumes he's even the person still selling them, which I'm not sure. It was Andy talking about them on the main talk list. Stephen 2009/8/21 cam_...@fastmail.fm: Another thing to note, it seems we can't order anything from http://www.sonicresolutions.com/ anyway, as sonic resolutions is no longer trading. -- ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] 4wd_only proposal
Final tally was 12 yes v 9 no so it passed. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:4wd_only%3Dyes ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Sturt highway
--- On Fri, 21/8/09, BlueMM bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe I'm a little confused, but given this discussion looking at a recent change to the Australian Tagging Guidelines on the wiki, has the network/ref tagging changed from your original proposal? I thought the network tag was for removing the letter prefix from the number, but are we now doing network=A, ref=A1? Isn't this just the same as before but with an extra tag? The problem here is we have 2 distinct systems, things like NH, NR, MR which aren't part of the reference, and then the alphanumeric system MABC which is part of the reference. So the best I could think of in the case of MABC was to include it in both the ref and the network, I think in the UK they only have MABC so they don't have to consider anything else. I think this is why I am concerned about adding the addr: tags to the ref relations, is it not redundant data given that we have suburb boundaries, we know with reasonable certainty that a node is in what suburb/state/country? I see changes to the cycle route tagging guide says to potentially add all suburb/state/country tags. It's like adding is_in tags to all nodes/ways even though we have suburb boundaries (thanks again Franc!!). Is it some limitation of the mapnik styles that caused the US guys to create the similar tagging scheme? Ideally it could be solved with code instead of adding to the burden of tagging. I have no idea if they have boundaries in place or not, so it might have caused this to exist, then again the same could be said for most addr:* tags. Also looking at the the text for the Route section of the Au tag guide page, I think it is too verbose mixes guidelines with reasoning thoughts. Given it's a wiki, I might work on wording and make some changes (kind of similar to the OpenSource mantra of stop whinging, show me some code). The gist of it is leave: * mention old new shield system * tagging example * Highway Refs (but name it something like Network Refs or Sign Shield Refs) Go for it. Move Minor Roads sentence to the Naming Streets sections (since that is what it is). Remove the distinction between Major Minor Highways tagging, to something simple like: If a named route a numbered route follow the same ways, combine into a single relation. If they finish at different spots or take different paths, create a separate relation for the named numbered route. Example of a combined: name= Thingamajig Highway network=C ref=123 route=road type=route I've not done much with B C routes, but there is a number of mismatched A routes that chop and change names, A3 in QLD for example starts at the junction of New England and Cunningham Highways north of Warwick, then that joins the D'Agular Highway for a bit and then follows the Burnett Highway all the way to Rockhampton. The D'Agular Highway goes from S85 to NR17 to A3 and I'm not sure what happens after it stops being the A3 it wasn't tagged. On the other hand NR38 is only the Gwydir highway except for small sections that it shares with the Newell and New England Highways. I imagine some/most BC routes may be a single segment effectively, except if there is bridges and it might be just as easy to tag the way as it would to create and tag a relation. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Would anyone buy one of these?
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, cam_...@fastmail.fm wrote: On the odd time I go surveying on foot / bicycle at night, I wear this: http://www.exeliteworld.com/recreational.html?product=lumisash Cars from a kilometer away down the road can see me at night time! :D and add some flashing red ankle bands and a cygolite helmet mounted hi intensity LED light and you have the way i travel home at night ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] Boundary names...
I think I finally figured out where boundary names are coming from, can others confirm that boundary names are no longer being rendered please. I now only see one 'Curra' on the map compared to 2 or 3 :) http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=14lat=-26.086308194794lon=152.57117074638 Also I can't see postcodes that were previously being rendered: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.17674lon=152.5zoom=15 http://maps.bigtincan.com/?lat=-26.17674lon=152.5zoom=15 ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Would anyone buy one of these?
I have a theory about hi-viz vests. Something I have noticed when geocaching. Younger people and busy office types ignore you but older people and those with too much time on their hands want to know what's going on. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=662
John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd like to think things were that active in Australia map wise but I don't think that's an accurate picture :) I have around 800 messages in my mailbox from the past month from this list. That puts us soundly in the 549 - 2648 range (where did those numbers come from?). Depending on which green is which, that map may actually be correct when it comes to mailing list posts. -- Sam Couter | mailto:s...@couter.id.au OpenPGP fingerprint: A46B 9BB5 3148 7BEA 1F05 5BD5 8530 03AE DE89 C75C signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSMF
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Matt Whitemattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: Liz wrote: Big flame war on the OSMF-talk list today and it didn't even need us Aussies to fuel it. If you are a member, please vote, it will make life easier for us all if as many potential voters as possible vote or else we will hear for the next three years how the poll was 'fixed. Was it just me, or was there no announcement on the OSMF list (or elsewhere like the wiki front page) that the voting had opened? Or did I just miss it? Either way, I missed the opportunity to vote - I hadn't checked my email for two days... :( Matt There was an email entitled Voting for Board Members a few days ago. It would have been much more useful if it had said VOTING NOW OPEN. Then, as Liz said, Frederick Ramm mailed a reminder (in upper case to wake people up). Gordon -- Gordon Smith http://las.new-england.net.au/ http://blog.macalba.net/ ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Would anyone buy one of these?
--- On Fri, 21/8/09, Greg Harper gehar...@gmail.com wrote: I have a theory about hi-viz vests. Something I have noticed when geocaching. Younger people and busy office types ignore you but older people and those with too much time on their hands want to know what's going on. I wondered earlier if wearing them would be a good way to tell other people about OSM, since they'd come up and ask what we're up to rather than assuming we're up to no good :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boundary names...
John Smith delta_foxt...@... writes: I think I finally figured out where boundary names are coming from, can others confirm that boundary names are no longer being rendered please. [SNIP] As you probably expected, I see the same as you... BlueMM ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boundary names...
--- On Fri, 21/8/09, BlueMM bluemm1975-...@yahoo.com wrote: As you probably expected, I see the same as you... I was hoping I excluded the right ones, but didn't know if I covered all possible cases, I've only seen postcode and suburb names, I can only assume there would be state and country ones rendered somewhere too. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Anyone do wikipedia edits?
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009, Liz wrote: I wouldn't start editing by replacing the base map i've made myself an account and if anyone can point me to a wikipedia page or two which incorporates a map then i could understand the editing style attempt one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobar,_New_South_Wales i didn't succeed in getting the map into the info box on the right so decided on a thumbnail and an external link and a couple of bare faced advertisements for OSM ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSMF
On 21/08/2009, at 8:16 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: 1. nominations open. 2. voting opens 3. nominations close (how can anyone vote if nominations aren't closed) 4. last minute registrations to vote 5. last minute call to vote (24 hours notice) Nomination closing after the voting had opened confused the hell out of me too. I think the voting closed 48 hours after the nominations did, which is also a bit odd. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Mapping on a phone
I'm using a HTC Diamond; mostly use BeelineGPS,BeelineGPS, as it also is good for geocaches. OSMtracker works well also. -Original Message- From: Franc Carter franc.car...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, 20 August 2009 10:18 PM To: OSM Australian Talk List talk-au@openstreetmap.org Subject: [talk-au] Mapping on a phone Hi, My phone is on it's last legs and I'll need a new one soon. Does anybody have a phone that does a good job for mapping. It would be nice to add POIs as I notice them. I don't really need something for the full mapping experience as I have a full setup in the car for that cheers -- Franc ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=662
On 21/08/2009, at 8:13 PM, Sam Couter wrote: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd like to think things were that active in Australia map wise but I don't think that's an accurate picture :) I have around 800 messages in my mailbox from the past month from this list. That puts us soundly in the 549 - 2648 range (where did those numbers come from?). Depending on which green is which, that map may actually be correct when it comes to mailing list posts. I'm just wondering how many of those 800 are John's Twitter-like updates about the status of things on http://maps.bigtincan.com :P -- James Doc Livingston, who just helped increase the number of pointless messages ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=662
James Livingston wrote: On 21/08/2009, at 8:13 PM, Sam Couter wrote: John Smith delta_foxt...@yahoo.com wrote: I'd like to think things were that active in Australia map wise but I don't think that's an accurate picture :) I have around 800 messages in my mailbox from the past month from this list. That puts us soundly in the 549 - 2648 range (where did those numbers come from?). Depending on which green is which, that map may actually be correct when it comes to mailing list posts. I'm just wondering how many of those 800 are John's Twitter-like updates about the status of things on http://maps.bigtincan.com :P 393 by my count (20 Jul-20 Aug)... which is actually pretty impressive - that's more than all messages to the AU list between 01 Jan and 31 May 2009 The AU list is certainly more lively as a result, though. Matt ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] http://www.opengeodata.org/?p=662
--- On Fri, 21/8/09, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: 393 by my count (20 Jul-20 Aug)... which is actually pretty impressive - that's more than all messages to the AU list between 01 Jan and 31 May 2009 The AU list is certainly more lively as a result, though. Keeps me out of trouble :) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] OSM Server downtime reminder for this weekend
Don't be surprised if most OSM services aren't working this weekend or you can't do edits and what not. period from approximately 5am GMT Saturday August 22nd until 10pm GMT Sunday August 23rd. 3pm Saturday till 8am Monday AEST time. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] OSM Server downtime reminder for this weekend
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009, John Smith wrote: Don't be surprised if most OSM services aren't working this weekend or you can't do edits and what not. period from approximately 5am GMT Saturday August 22nd until 10pm GMT Sunday August 23rd. 3pm Saturday till 8am Monday AEST time. Oh no, I'll have to go outside! ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[talk-au] New contributor
Hello, I hope to contribute to the OSM mapping project for Australia. I'm based in Murray Bridge, SA and work in Adelaide. If you're interested in my background you can read about me at my blog ( http://domiconsultant.org ). From there is a link to my LinkedIn profile. Mike Smith -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/New-contributor-tp25087794p25087794.html Sent from the OpenStreetMap - Australian Talk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] New contributor
Hello, I hope to contribute to the OSM mapping project for Australia. I'm based in Murray Bridge, SA and work in Adelaide. If you're interested in my background you can read about me at my blog ( http://domiconsultant.org ). From there is a link to my LinkedIn profile. Mike Smith -- Welcome aboard I've put in a couple of streets in Murray Bridge only, and a few ways around there, so there is plenty of scope for mapping in Murray Bridge. This is reputed to be a noisy mailing list, be warned :-) ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boundary names...
John Smith wrote: I think I finally figured out where boundary names are coming from, can others confirm that boundary names are no longer being rendered please. I now only see one 'Curra' on the map compared to 2 or 3 :) http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=14lat=-26.086308194794lon=152.57117074638 Also I can't see postcodes that were previously being rendered: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=-26.17674lon=152.5zoom=15 http://maps.bigtincan.com/?lat=-26.17674lon=152.5zoom=15 One thing I noticed is that your coastlines seem out of date (and in return, the main OSM map doesn't handle overflow of residential areas into coastline very well). I do also like the fact that the example for this issue is in Tin Can Bay... seems somehow appropriate http://maps.bigtincan.com/?zoom=13lat=-25.92528274338lon=153.0494625901layer=BTTflat=flon=tlat=tlon= vs http://osm.org/go/ueWmh2l Otherwise, the style sheet is looking pretty good Mat ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
Re: [talk-au] Boundary names...
--- On Sat, 22/8/09, Matt White mattwh...@iinet.com.au wrote: One thing I noticed is that your coastlines seem out of date (and in return, the main OSM map doesn't handle overflow of residential areas into coastline very well). I need to look into how the coastlines are done, I don't think data from the OSM database is used, but rather a set of shape files and these don't get pushed out as a changeset. ___ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
[Talk-br] fronteira estadual
Oi gente O continental shelf e dividido por estado, este indicar que presisamos marcear o fronteira estadual ate o fronteira nacional 22km no mar. Eu nao sei com os municipos, mas o fronteira precicar incluir os ilhas, acho melhor marcar fronteira municipal um pouco no mar (nao no costo) eu viu que os ilhas no baia guanabara nao e incluido nos fronteiras municipais no RJ, e tambem alguns outros ilhas no costo de RJ nao e incluido. No Para o fronteira e o costo nao tem mesmo linha, as vezes o franteira passo no mar, as vezes no terra. Nao sei que o costo fui ajustada ou nao. O frontera nacional e tudo marcada com interolaçao do costo, eu vai corrigir este fronteira quando eu tem um ferramente para marcear direito. Brgds Aun Johnsen via Webmail ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-br] Atualizações na wiki - organizaç ão do esforço
Pessoal, Coloquei algumas coisas na página de discussão do projeto de Sao Paulo: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Brazil/SP/S%C3%A3o_Paulo Vamos organizar algumas mapping parties para colocar os nomes nas ruas ? Já está tudo desenhado, deve facilitar bastante o trabalho e para conseguirmos mais editores também. Estou pensando em fazer um daqueles banners para dar um pouco mais de divulgação quando estivermos fazendo o mapeamento, mas sai um pouco caro. Estou pensando também em fazer uns bonés com o logo do OSM também, para dar a novos editores que ajudarem no esforço. Um abraço, Diogo Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Atualizações na wiki - organiza ção do esforço
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:54:30 -0700 (PDT), Diogo diogownunes2...@yahoo.com.br wrote: Pessoal, Coloquei algumas coisas na página de discussão do projeto de Sao Paulo: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Brazil/SP/S%C3%A3o_Paulo Vamos organizar algumas mapping parties para colocar os nomes nas ruas ? Já está tudo desenhado, deve facilitar bastante o trabalho e para conseguirmos mais editores também. Estou pensando em fazer um daqueles banners para dar um pouco mais de divulgação quando estivermos fazendo o mapeamento, mas sai um pouco caro. Estou pensando também em fazer uns bonés com o logo do OSM também, para dar a novos editores que ajudarem no esforço. Um abraço, Diogo Porque nâo faz um high viz vest egual que eles tem no inglaterra? ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Image:Sunderland-party-030509.jpg ) Nâo lembra agora mas um usario no inglaterra tem estes por vende, poder fazer mesmo coisa aqui. O vest tem um logo e Surveying for OpenStreetMap no costa. -- Brgds Aun Johnsen via Webmail ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
[Talk-de] Worldfile vom 19.8.09
Hallo, die neuen Daten liegen wie immer zum Download bereit unter http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Computerteddy -- Viele Gruesse Computerteddy ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] OSMF
Hallo, ich bin gestern der OSMF beigetreten (weil ich es eigentlich schon immer vor hatte und noch nicht dazu gekommen war), um auch wählen zu können. Frederiks Mail hat den letzten Ausschlag dafür gegeben - allerdings möchte ich mich aus so politischen Dingen eher raushalten. Ich habe mich auch gleich auf die OSMF-ML eintragen lassen. Und jetzt bin ich doch etwas erstaunt über den harten Ton und die Vorurteile die dort herrschen. Da ich schon länger im OS-Umfeld tätig bin, bin ich ja so manches gewohnt (auch von Talk-de). Aber die OSMF-Talk ML schießt schon den Vogel ab. Wieso gibt es eigentlich solche Spannungen im internationalen OSM-Umfeld? Grüße Christian (der sich sonst eher zurückhält) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straß ennamen
Guenther Meyer schrieb: Am Freitag 21 August 2009 schrieb Mario Salvini: Guenther Meyer schrieb: Am Donnerstag 20 August 2009 schrieb Florian Lohoff: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 09:03:58AM +0200, Guenther Meyer wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 08:44:22AM +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote: Und ist Pfarrer, Propst, Bürgermeister, Stadtrat, Papst auch ein Titel? Duerfen die auch abgekuerzt werden? (Denn sie werden abgekuerzt) Wo ist die Grenze? trag's so ein, wie's auf dem schild steht, dann stellt sich die frage erst gar nicht ;-) Wenn eine anwendung da unbedingt mit rumpfuschen will (z.B. wegen zu wenig Platz zum rendern), dann ist das problemlos ueber ein dictionary, das zuordnungen wie bgm - buergermeister macht, moeglich - das hat aber die datenbank nicht zu kuemmern... Das Straßenschild ist die Authoritaet? Und wenn es ueberall anders steht als auf dem Straßenschild? Trotzdem so eintragen? Sehe ich nicht. was heisst ueberall? es gibt neben den schildern sonst nur noch die verzeichnisse der zustaendigen behoerden. und die koennen ebenso fehlerhaft sein. nochmal: nur das schild kann jeder sehen und vergleichen, man muss es dazu nicht mal lesen koennen! das ja. nur auch Schilder sind keine fehlerfreie Quelle. hab auch nie was anderes behauptet... Wenn ich daran denke wieviele Straßenschilder oder auch öffizielle Straßenlisten noch mit -strasse im Namen gelistet sind wird mir schwindelig. In Deutschland heißt es nunmal Straße und nicht Strasse, egal was auf dem Schild (falsch) steht ;-) vielleicht gab's im verwendeten zeichensatz einfach kein sz, soll ja vorkommen ;-) Wenn ich mich richtig erinnere lag das eher daran dass die Kommunen ganz modern und jeder der erste sein wollte der die Straßenschilder auf die neue Rechtschreibung umstellt. Eine Schreibweise ala Beispelstrasze kenne ich allerdings in Deutschland nur von Bauingenieuren und Architekten *g* -- Mario ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] traffic auf der Mailing List (+1)
Hi! Michael Bemmerl schrieb: Jedenfalls scheint auch Island eine OSM-Hochburg zu sein! ;-) Natürlich. Island hat nur eine einzige Fernstraße, da muß das Mapping muß schon sorgfältig diskutiert werden. :-) bye Nop ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen
Guenther Meyer wrote: Abkürzungen unterscheiden sich des öfteren, s.b. bei Joh.-Seb.-Bach Straße habe ich auch schon eine J.-Seb.-Bach gesehen und ähnliches, da ist nur die Langform wirklich nutbar für mich. bei ein und derselben strasse? das kommt recht selten vor, denke ich... Das eine ist das Schild, das andere der Name der von der Stadt in ihrer Straßenliste geführt wird. ich hatte ja auch geschrieben, das SOWAS vorkommt. aber SEHEN tut man das schild, in die verzeichnisse hat man (als mapper) nicht unbedingt einblick; die meisten nutzer der osm-daten schon gleich zweimal nicht... Nunja, wir haben ja die Wahllisten und das ist ein Auszug aus der Liste der Stadt. Ich finde es halt sinnvoler Abkürzungen aufzulösen weil der Name dort eindeutig ist aber das ist halt Geschmackssache. Straßenschilder sind im übrigen nicht immer korrekt wie ich leider feststellen durfte, als Beispiel : http://mversen.de/temp/bredaer2.png http://mversen.de/temp/bredear.png Beide Namen sind im übrigen flasch denn die Straße heißt Bredaer Bruch. bei sowas sollte man die verantwortlichen sowieso erstmal drauf hinweisen... Die Stadt weiß bescheid und es stand sogar im OSM Artikel der Lokalzeitung als Beispiel für das versagen der Stadt :-) Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straß ennamen
Adiac wrote: http://mversen.de/temp/bredaer2.png http://mversen.de/temp/bredear.png Diese Schilder könnten aber auch die Eigentümer der Wege aufgestellt haben. Sie müssen nicht von dem aufgestellt sein der da sonst für verantwortlich ist (Straßenbauamt? Stadtverwaltung? Wer eigentlich?). Die Art der Schilder passt absolut zu der Herstellungsweise der anderen offiziellen Straßenschilder. Das eine ohne Hausnummer ist zu 100% offiziell aber selbst das andere ait der einzelnen Hausnummer ist ein offizielles Schild, da bin ich mir ziemlich sicher. Beide Namen sind im übrigen flasch denn die Straße heißt Bredaer Bruch. Ja, das ist in der Tag sehr dumm. In der Situation als suchender Außendienstmitarbeiter überlese ich vielleicht sogar den Fehler, aber wenn wir wieder die Geschichte nehmen, wo die Suchenden die Sprache nicht lesen können sondern nur Zeichen vergleichen Suchender hin oder her, ich zeichen eine Straße so aus wie sie in wirklichkeit heißt. Matthias ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] OSMF
Hallo Christian, deine Mail könnte von mir sein. Meine erste empfangende Mail von osmf-talk hatte als Antwort, das man an dem harten Ton erkennen könnte, das der Schreiber aus Deutschland kommt. H. Die brauchen dringend entspanntere Leute auf der Liste. Marc ( der sich bisher eher für osm-vor-ort interessiert hat ) Am 21.08.2009 um 08:08 schrieb Christian Hartnick: Hallo, ich bin gestern der OSMF beigetreten (weil ich es eigentlich schon immer vor hatte und noch nicht dazu gekommen war), um auch wählen zu können. Frederiks Mail hat den letzten Ausschlag dafür gegeben - allerdings möchte ich mich aus so politischen Dingen eher raushalten. Ich habe mich auch gleich auf die OSMF-ML eintragen lassen. Und jetzt bin ich doch etwas erstaunt über den harten Ton und die Vorurteile die dort herrschen. Da ich schon länger im OS-Umfeld tätig bin, bin ich ja so manches gewohnt (auch von Talk-de). Aber die OSMF-Talk ML schießt schon den Vogel ab. Wieso gibt es eigentlich solche Spannungen im internationalen OSM- Umfeld? Grüße Christian (der sich sonst eher zurückhält) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen
Hi, From: Mario Salvini salv...@t-online.de [..] In Deutschland hei?t es nunmal Stra?e und nicht Strasse, egal was auf dem Schild (falsch) steht ;-) Richtig ist, dass es in Deutschland 'Staße' heißt und nicht 'Strasse'. Aber das egal ist, was auf dem Schild steht, das ist IMHO falsch. Wenn eine Verwaltung entscheidet, dass die Straße 'Berliner Strasse' heißt, dann heißt die Straße 'Berliner Strasse' und nicht 'Berliner Straße'. Es ist ein Eigenname. Wird übrigens trotzdem 'Straße' gesprochen. - Für Namen gelten die lustigen Regeln nicht, liebe Germanisten, die Ihr Euch ausgedacht habt. Und meinetwegen kann auch gern der Wegbeschreibung stehen Die nächste Straße links ist die 'Berliner Strasse'. Das tut mir überhaupt nicht weh. Anders ist das mit dem Bot, der hin und wieder über die Karte flitzt und alle 'Strasse' durch 'Straße' ersetzt. /Andreas ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straße nnamen
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 08:29:34AM +0200, Matthias Versen wrote: Nunja, wir haben ja die Wahllisten und das ist ein Auszug aus der Liste der Stadt. ja, wir haben die listen vielleicht, aber nicht der nutzer der daten auf der strasse... Ich finde es halt sinnvoler Abkürzungen aufzulösen weil der Name dort eindeutig ist aber das ist halt Geschmackssache. eindeutig in welcher hinsicht? ich glaube nicht, dass es denselben strassennamen in verschiedenen schreibweisen im selben ort an mehreren verschiedenen strassen gibt... wichtiger ist mir da der wiedererkennungswert vor ort. Straßenschilder sind im übrigen nicht immer korrekt wie ich leider feststellen durfte, als Beispiel : http://mversen.de/temp/bredaer2.png http://mversen.de/temp/bredear.png Beide Namen sind im übrigen flasch denn die Straße heißt Bredaer Bruch. bei sowas sollte man die verantwortlichen sowieso erstmal drauf hinweisen... Die Stadt weiß bescheid und es stand sogar im OSM Artikel der Lokalzeitung als Beispiel für das versagen der Stadt :-) coole sache ;-) signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Schreibweisen/Abkürzungen von Straß ennamen
Zitat Matthias Versen: [...] Suchender hin oder her, ich zeichen eine Straße so aus wie sie in wirklichkeit heißt. Wer oder was definiert diese Wirklichkeit? -- Michael ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Dienstweg
Ich habe auf der letzten Mapping-Tour einen Dienstweg gemappt. Auf dem Schild stehtDienstweg - nur für Befugte (Straßen NRW). Im Wiki habe ich dazu nichts gefunden. Ich habe vorerst highway=service genommen. Was meint Ihr? MfG Adiac ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Aktion 03 - Ergebnis
Hi, Aktion 03 ist beendet. Von 1027 Fehlern in den Listen wurden 977 in nur 2 Tagen behoben... Vielen Dank an alle Mitstreiter!!! http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Aktionen/Aktion_03 Ciao Gerhard gary68 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
