date:20171102

2017-11-02 18:15 GMT+01:00 Francesco Piero Paolicelli :

> tommy guarda la licenza iniziale in base a questa matrice.
> M sembra che i dati pugliesi siano in cc-by-sa e in iodl2.0
>
> ci andrei cauto
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility
>
>
>
>

nel caso che non sia possibile rilasciare in PD/CC0, la cosa migliore dal
punto di vista OSM sarebbe una licenza "ad OSM" (una scrittura che dice che
OSM può usare i dati), perché cosí sono sicuri anche nell'ipotetico caso di
un cambio di licenza.

Ciao,
Martin
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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci

2017-11-02 Thread Jan Macura

2017-11-03 0:30 GMT+01:00 Jachym Cepicky :

> napsal jsem co máme s tím, že statistiky/mapy dodáme. bď to bude stačit
> nebo to stačit nebude tak jako tak - díky všem
>

btw, jestli se to třeba bude hodit, tak jsem sem

upnul některé změny, které jsem v průběhu posledního roku dělal. Rád si to
takhle printscreenuju, vidět ten rozdíl je jediná odměna za vynaložený čas
:-) Určitě by ty obrázky neměly jít na veřejnost, tak jak jsou -- poskytuju
je zatím komunitě, když je někdo šikovně ořeže, může z toho třeba být
zajímavý výstup ;-)

H.
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Re: [talk-au] BYO drinks at restaurant

2017-11-02 Thread Nick Hocking

Ben wrote

"I think that's some kind of location code. I forget what it's called. If
you search for that string in Google Maps it takes you to an address at
the Gold Coast."

Bing maps (and Bing search) does not know of this string.  Maybe it's
proprietary Google information.

Nick
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napsal jsem co máme s tím, že statistiky/mapy dodáme. bď to bude stačit
nebo to stačit nebude tak jako tak - díky všem

P.S. užijte si openalt. z rodinných důvodů bez šance


pá 3. 11. 2017 v 0:17 odesílatel Jan Macura  napsal:

> 2017-11-03 0:14 GMT+01:00 Marián Kyral :
>
>> Default si tam dej co chceš. A když se podíváš blíže, tak změny tam vidět
>> jsou. Docela dost výrazné. Třeba ještě není otevřená Blanka.
>>
> Ok, ale to je od stavu BEFORE nejspíš změna i faktická. Pro presentaci
> "odvedené práce" se víc hodí oblast, která se sama o sobě v terénu moc
> nezměnila, ale v OSM se změnila výrazně. Jsem to myslel..
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> H.
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2017-11-02 Thread Jan Macura

2017-11-03 0:14 GMT+01:00 Marián Kyral :

> Default si tam dej co chceš. A když se podíváš blíže, tak změny tam vidět
> jsou. Docela dost výrazné. Třeba ještě není otevřená Blanka.
>
Ok, ale to je od stavu BEFORE nejspíš změna i faktická. Pro presentaci
"odvedené práce" se víc hodí oblast, která se sama o sobě v terénu moc
nezměnila, ale v OSM se změnila výrazně. Jsem to myslel..

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-- Původní e-mail --
Od: Jan Macura 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 3. 11. 2017 0:12:18
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
"



2017-11-03 0:04 GMT+01:00 Marián Kyral :
"
Co třeba tohle? http://pierzen.dev.openstreetmap.org/hot/leaflet/OSM-Compare
-before-after.html#14/50.1274/14.5050
(http://pierzen.dev.openstreetmap.org/hot/leaflet/OSM-Compare-before-after.html#14/50.1274/14.5050)
Jen nevím, jak přesně je staré "Before"

"





Ten Prágl je tam asi default, co? Zrovna tam ty změny moc poznat nebudou.
Věřím, že lokální mapaři po republice nabídnou srovnání své letošní práce.



"



Default si tam dej co chceš. A když se podíváš blíže, tak změny tam vidět
jsou. Docela dost výrazné. Třeba ještě není otevřená Blanka.




Marián
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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci

2017-11-02 Thread Jan Macura

2017-11-03 0:04 GMT+01:00 Marián Kyral :

> Co třeba tohle? http://pierzen.dev.openstreetmap.org/hot/leaflet/
> OSM-Compare-before-after.html#14/50.1274/14.5050
> Jen nevím, jak přesně je staré "Before"
>

Ten Prágl je tam asi default, co? Zrovna tam ty změny moc poznat nebudou.
Věřím, že lokální mapaři po republice nabídnou srovnání své letošní práce.

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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci

Počká to do příštího týdne? O víkendu je OpenAlt a SOTM CZ.
Případně přijď na přednášky: https://openalt.cz/2017/program_detail.php#
event_241

Marián

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Datum: 2. 11. 2017 23:53:18
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"
statistiku prosím ;-)



čt 2. 11. 2017 v 19:55 odesílatel Marián Kyral  napsal:

"
Tak v tom případě bych určitě zmínil projekt mapování turistických tras a
sbírání fotek rozcestníků. Tom Kašpárek možná dodá i statistiku, kolik se
povedlo zmapovat.

Marián



-- Původní e-mail --
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Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 


Datum: 2. 11. 2017 19:21:25
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci


"No právě :-D



já to beru prostě jako komunitu, občanskou iniciativu ze zdola, v podstatě
tenhle mailing list, bez formálního tělesa. 




Ale i tahle améba, kterou tvoříte vy, lidi, si zaslouží kredit a o ten mi
jde




j



On Thu, 2 Nov 2017, 19:04 Marián Kyral,  wrote:

"
BTW: co se vlastně přesně myslí pojmem "openstreetmap.cz
(http://openstreetmap.cz)"? :-D



Marián

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Datum: 2. 11. 2017 16:47:55
Předmět: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci


"
Dámy a pánové,
"

"




dovolil jsem si proaktivně přihlásit OpenStreetMap.cz do soutěže "Společně
otevíráme data" - s nikým jsem to nekonzultoval, bylo to na poslední chvíli,
prostě jsem to udělal a čekal, co se bude dít.




Teď se mi to trochu vrátilo, protože po mě chějí: "Co se za poslední rok
aktualizovalo/změnilo".




Mohli byste mi prosím pomoct? Co se stalo zásadního v roce 2017, kvůli čemu
je OSM nejlepší otevřeně-datový projekt v ČR?




Prosím moc neváhejte reagovat, chtějí to obratem.




Díky za pomoc




Jachym




P.S. Prosím pište nejdřív konstruktivně, a nadávky co jsem si to dovolil bez
informování komunity do zvláštního vlákna, abych se v tom vyznal - díky.



-- Forwarded message -
From: Lenka Kováčová 
Date: čt 2. 11. 2017 v 11:59
Subject: Re: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
To: Jachym Cepicky 




Ahoj,



to všechno chápu a OpenStreetMap samozřejmě považuji za skvělý projekt. Jde
mi ale o ten pojem Aktualizovaná. V pravidlech soutěže je totiž napsané
Aplikace "musí být nová či již existující avšak aktualizovaná, tzn. aplikace
nebo její aktualizace musí být publikována v období listopad 2016 - říjen
2017. Aktualizovaná aplikace se musí výrazně lišit od předchozí verze."




Můžete mi prosím napsat v čem se v daném období nejvíc změnila?




Díky moc za pochopení.

L.














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Dne 2. listopadu 2017 10:44 Jachym Cepicky  napsal(a):




"
Ahoj,



přihlásil jsem projekt OpenStreetMap jako celek (za Českou republiku).
Projekt, který čerpá  všechny dostupné státní/soukromé/lidské datové zdroje
do jednoho velkého, komplexního, udržovaného datasetu. Celá Česká republika
má momentálně 1GB zazipovaných dat a obsahuje celou mapu ČR. Data z OSM
používá na svých stránkách klub českých turistů, stejně jako Seznam.cz
(Seznam tedy pouze pro oblasti mimo ČR - jenom tím chci říct, že je to
uznávaný zdroj), často se k OSM utíkají i veřejné instituce, protože pořád
platí, že prostrová data si v ČR veřejná správa mezi sebou přeprodává,
IHned, https://www.vodafone.cz/mapa-pokryti/
(https://www.vodafone.cz/mapa-pokryti/), a další. Pokud se vám do soutěže v
minulosti nebo součastnosti přihlásila nějaká mapová aplikace, vsaďte se, že
používá jako podklad právě OpenStreetMap




Projekt je denně na dobrovolnické bázi ručně i poloautomaticky (pomocí open
source programů) udržovaný a aktualizovaný. Česká komkunita se točí okolo
stránek https://openstreetmap.cz/(https://openstreetmap.cz/) a existuje
aktivní forum https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=47
(https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=47)  i mailing list 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/

Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci

Co třeba tohle? http://pierzen.dev.openstreetmap.org/hot/leaflet/OSM-Compare
-before-after.html#14/50.1274/14.5050
Jen nevím, jak přesně je staré "Before"

Marián

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Datum: 2. 11. 2017 23:56:52
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
"
2 mapy by bodly - já to umím udělat, ale neumím vytáhnout ty data



čt 2. 11. 2017 v 23:52 odesílatel Jachym Cepicky  napsal:

"
statistiku prosím ;-)



čt 2. 11. 2017 v 19:55 odesílatel Marián Kyral  napsal:



"
Tak v tom případě bych určitě zmínil projekt mapování turistických tras a
sbírání fotek rozcestníků. Tom Kašpárek možná dodá i statistiku, kolik se
povedlo zmapovat.

Marián



-- Původní e-mail --
Od: Jachym Cepicky 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 


Datum: 2. 11. 2017 19:21:25
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci


"No právě :-D



já to beru prostě jako komunitu, občanskou iniciativu ze zdola, v podstatě
tenhle mailing list, bez formálního tělesa. 




Ale i tahle améba, kterou tvoříte vy, lidi, si zaslouží kredit a o ten mi
jde




j



On Thu, 2 Nov 2017, 19:04 Marián Kyral,  wrote:

"
BTW: co se vlastně přesně myslí pojmem "openstreetmap.cz
(http://openstreetmap.cz)"? :-D



Marián

-- Původní e-mail --
Od: Jachym Cepicky 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 2. 11. 2017 16:47:55
Předmět: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci


"
Dámy a pánové,
"

"




dovolil jsem si proaktivně přihlásit OpenStreetMap.cz do soutěže "Společně
otevíráme data" - s nikým jsem to nekonzultoval, bylo to na poslední chvíli,
prostě jsem to udělal a čekal, co se bude dít.




Teď se mi to trochu vrátilo, protože po mě chějí: "Co se za poslední rok
aktualizovalo/změnilo".




Mohli byste mi prosím pomoct? Co se stalo zásadního v roce 2017, kvůli čemu
je OSM nejlepší otevřeně-datový projekt v ČR?




Prosím moc neváhejte reagovat, chtějí to obratem.




Díky za pomoc




Jachym




P.S. Prosím pište nejdřív konstruktivně, a nadávky co jsem si to dovolil bez
informování komunity do zvláštního vlákna, abych se v tom vyznal - díky.



-- Forwarded message -
From: Lenka Kováčová 
Date: čt 2. 11. 2017 v 11:59
Subject: Re: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
To: Jachym Cepicky 




Ahoj,



to všechno chápu a OpenStreetMap samozřejmě považuji za skvělý projekt. Jde
mi ale o ten pojem Aktualizovaná. V pravidlech soutěže je totiž napsané
Aplikace "musí být nová či již existující avšak aktualizovaná, tzn. aplikace
nebo její aktualizace musí být publikována v období listopad 2016 - říjen
2017. Aktualizovaná aplikace se musí výrazně lišit od předchozí verze."




Můžete mi prosím napsat v čem se v daném období nejvíc změnila?




Díky moc za pochopení.

L.














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Hradecká 18, 130 00 Praha 3


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Dne 2. listopadu 2017 10:44 Jachym Cepicky  napsal(a):




"
Ahoj,



přihlásil jsem projekt OpenStreetMap jako celek (za Českou republiku).
Projekt, který čerpá  všechny dostupné státní/soukromé/lidské datové zdroje
do jednoho velkého, komplexního, udržovaného datasetu. Celá Česká republika
má momentálně 1GB zazipovaných dat a obsahuje celou mapu ČR. Data z OSM
používá na svých stránkách klub českých turistů, stejně jako Seznam.cz
(Seznam tedy pouze pro oblasti mimo ČR - jenom tím chci říct, že je to
uznávaný zdroj), často se k OSM utíkají i veřejné instituce, protože pořád
platí, že prostrová data si v ČR veřejná správa mezi sebou přeprodává,
IHned, https://www.vodafone.cz/mapa-pokryti/
(https://www.vodafone.cz/mapa-pokryti/), a další. Pokud se vám do soutěže v
minulosti nebo součastnosti přihlásila nějaká mapová aplikace, vsaďte se, že
používá jako podklad právě OpenStreetMap




Projekt je denně na dobrovolnické bázi ručně i poloautomaticky (pomocí open
source programů) udržovaný a aktualizovaný. Česká komkunita se točí okolo
stránek https://openstreetmap.cz/(https://openstreetmap.cz/) a existuje
aktivní forum

Re: [talk-latam] talk-latam Digest, Vol 38, Issue 1

2017-11-02 Thread Javier Carranza

Hola Miriam!

Lamento que no tengas tiempo.Tiempos duros para todos...

Respecto de tu consulta, estamos trabajando en la OSM geo week, aunque
desde Aguascalientes (mira el mapa, esta arriba del de México). Haremos
allí una plática junto a UNFPA sobre como mapear y usaremos de ejemplos
varias tareas abiertas en el tasking manager de los terremotos. Nos
enfocaremos en poblaciones vulnerables.


Sobre nuestro trabajo, puedes ver este video de lo que presentamos en SotM
(y tambien el de más abajo ) https://youtu.be/HrGIA5Zzpc0 Ahí tienes
algunas de nuestras estadísticas.

Encantado te platico más de otros proyectos cuando puedas reunirte (quizas
para el próximo SotM!).

Cordiales saludos y mucha suerte


El 2/11/2017 15:43, "Gonzales, Miriam - (p)"  escribió:

Hola Javier,

Realmente ando muy limitada de tiempo para reunirnos, pero igual y podemos
avanzar por aquí.
Cuando mencionas “aunque trabajando básicamente en los mismo” ¿a qué te
refieres en específico?
Antes de pensar en sumar sinergias sería bueno que nos compartieras datos y
estadísticas de lo que se ha hecho en GeoCensos. No me queda claro qué
logros ha tenido la organización que representas.

Saludos y gracias,

M

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 22:24:10 +
From: "Gonzales, Miriam - (p)" 
To: "talk...@openstreetmap.org" ,
"talk-latam@openstreetmap.org" 
Subject: [talk-latam] OSMGeoWeek
Message-ID:


Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hola comunidad mapera,



Cada año dentro del mes de Noviembre se lleva a cabo el OSMGeoWeek en la
cual se trata de llevar a cabo eventos tales como mapatones o charlas para
sensibilizar sobre la importancia de los datos geoespaciales abiertos y
darle difusión a OpenStreetMap. Es una muy buena oportunidad ya que aún
faltan por mapear y validar tareas de los pasados sismos de Septiembre, si
se animan a llevar a cabo un mapatón les compartimos algunos links que
pueden ser útiles



a. Qué es un mapatón y cómo organizarlo --- https://linkprotect.cudasvc.
com/url?a=https://blogs.iadb.org/abierto-al-publico/2016/
11/10/especial-de-innovacion-abierta-que-es-un-mapaton-y-
como-organizarlo/=E,1,89vXm1FoYfbkDoGKtzjWV1YdWke2TJ
f8udk0jHYH2nayvl5gcuJE5d_cxaqG9Psn8zKPZLHe4d_86jcvEaxhLGXKPq_
Qzk6ejnPkyKc9C8Y,=1

b. Tareas pendientes de Mapeo y validación Sismos en México---
https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute%
3fdifficulty%3dALL%26organisation%3dOSM-MX=E,1,
9OdTbMUyX03vSJNXFKVwxfLUl1ntg8mr87qAa7yvIH940dh8lgZ07k3Nzzjb
fGd5Vtw9x0dEulZj-cO74DTgBjC9kqI9aeNkuQLxXWF3xFCBwoJN=1

c. Pueden agregar directamente su evento en OSMGeoWeek ---
https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http://osmgeoweek.org/=E,1,
DoBwWrO6XZShOY7jHfr_yL19jmOwOUZm1KNmwG5iR63SgzxIf2
9Xxj6U2SpKFf4tXiri3GdcyeUFlidEHqICiq5SFNYq6-Az60ZxA9fsONAM6NlV6nM,=1



Un gran saludo,



M






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To: OpenStreetMap Latinoamérica 
Cc: "talk...@openstreetmap.org" 
Subject: Re: [talk-latam] OSMGeoWeek
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Hola Miriam,

Felicidades por la iniciativa! Nosotros estaremos Aguascalientes en otro
mapathon , aunque trabajando básicamente en los mismo.

¿Les parece que conversemos para sumar sinergias? Te mandé un correo hace
un tiempo para tratar temas como este, cuando estuve en ciudad de México
para el terremoto. Y el Martes que viene estaré de nuevo por allí
¿Retomamos?

Abrazo

[image: geocensos]
*Javier Carranza** Tresoldi** CEO*

*,

Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci

2 mapy by bodly - já to umím udělat, ale neumím vytáhnout ty data

čt 2. 11. 2017 v 23:52 odesílatel Jachym Cepicky 
napsal:

> statistiku prosím ;-)
>
> čt 2. 11. 2017 v 19:55 odesílatel Marián Kyral  napsal:
>
>> Tak v tom případě bych určitě zmínil projekt mapování turistických tras a
>> sbírání fotek rozcestníků. Tom Kašpárek možná dodá i statistiku, kolik se
>> povedlo zmapovat.
>>
>> Marián
>>
>> -- Původní e-mail --
>> Od: Jachym Cepicky 
>> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
>> Datum: 2. 11. 2017 19:21:25
>> Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
>>
>> No právě :-D
>>
>> já to beru prostě jako komunitu, občanskou iniciativu ze zdola, v
>> podstatě tenhle mailing list, bez formálního tělesa.
>>
>> Ale i tahle améba, kterou tvoříte vy, lidi, si zaslouží kredit a o ten mi
>> jde
>>
>> j
>>
>> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017, 19:04 Marián Kyral,  wrote:
>>
>> BTW: co se vlastně přesně myslí pojmem "openstreetmap.cz"? :-D
>>
>>
>> Marián
>>
>> -- Původní e-mail --
>> Od: Jachym Cepicky 
>> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
>> Datum: 2. 11. 2017 16:47:55
>> Předmět: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
>>
>> Dámy a pánové,
>>
>>
>> dovolil jsem si proaktivně přihlásit OpenStreetMap.cz do soutěže
>> "Společně otevíráme data" - s nikým jsem to nekonzultoval, bylo to na
>> poslední chvíli, prostě jsem to udělal a čekal, co se bude dít.
>>
>> Teď se mi to trochu vrátilo, protože po mě chějí: "Co se za poslední rok
>> aktualizovalo/změnilo".
>>
>> Mohli byste mi prosím pomoct? Co se stalo zásadního v roce 2017, kvůli
>> čemu je OSM nejlepší otevřeně-datový projekt v ČR?
>>
>> Prosím moc neváhejte reagovat, chtějí to obratem.
>>
>> Díky za pomoc
>>
>> Jachym
>>
>> P.S. Prosím pište nejdřív konstruktivně, a nadávky co jsem si to dovolil
>> bez informování komunity do zvláštního vlákna, abych se v tom vyznal - díky.
>>
>> -- Forwarded message -
>> From: Lenka Kováčová 
>> Date: čt 2. 11. 2017 v 11:59
>> Subject: Re: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
>> To: Jachym Cepicky 
>>
>>
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> to všechno chápu a OpenStreetMap samozřejmě považuji za skvělý projekt.
>> Jde mi ale o ten pojem *Aktualizovaná. *V pravidlech soutěže je totiž
>> napsané Aplikace *"musí být nová či již existující avšak aktualizovaná,
>> tzn. aplikace nebo její aktualizace musí být publikována v období listopad
>> 2016 - říjen 2017. Aktualizovaná aplikace se musí výrazně lišit od
>> předchozí verze."*
>>
>> Můžete mi prosím napsat v čem se v daném období nejvíc změnila?
>>
>> Díky moc za pochopení.
>> L.
>>
>> Lenka Kováčová Koordinátorka Fondu Otakara Motejla
>>
>> *FOND OTAKARA MOTEJLA*
>>
>> Hradecká 18, 130 00 Praha 3
>>
>> t: +420 226 227 705 m: +420 728 863 039
>>
>> e: lenka.kovac...@motejl.cz | w: www.osf.cz
>>
>> fb: www.facebook.com/nadace.osf | t: @nadaceOSF
>>
>> Fond Otakara Motejla spravuje Nadace Open Society Fund Praha
>>
>> Dne 2. listopadu 2017 10:44 Jachym Cepicky 
>> napsal(a):
>>
>> Ahoj,
>>
>> přihlásil jsem projekt OpenStreetMap jako celek (za Českou republiku).
>> Projekt, který čerpá  všechny dostupné státní/soukromé/lidské datové zdroje
>> do jednoho velkého, komplexního, udržovaného datasetu. Celá Česká republika
>> má momentálně 1GB zazipovaných dat a obsahuje celou mapu ČR. Data z OSM
>> používá na svých stránkách klub českých turistů, stejně jako Seznam.cz
>> (Seznam tedy pouze pro oblasti mimo ČR - jenom tím chci říct, že je to
>> uznávaný zdroj), často se k OSM utíkají i veřejné instituce, protože pořád
>> platí, že prostrová data si v ČR veřejná správa mezi sebou přeprodává,
>> IHned, https://www.vodafone.cz/mapa-pokryti/, a další. Pokud se vám do
>> soutěže v minulosti nebo součastnosti přihlásila nějaká mapová aplikace,
>> vsaďte se, že používá jako podklad právě OpenStreetMap
>>
>> Projekt je denně na dobrovolnické bázi ručně i poloautomaticky (pomocí
>> open source programů) udržovaný a aktualizovaný. Česká komkunita se točí
>> okolo stránek https://openstreetmap.cz/ a existuje aktivní forum
>> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=47  i mailing list
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/
>>
>> Výsledkem je nejenom "tištěná" webová mapa, ale hlavně podkladová data,
>> ze kterých si každý může udělat svoji vlastní mapu, provádět analýzy,
>> konfrontovat se skutečností.
>>
>> Přihlásil jsem OpenStreetMap, protože by se tím ocenila komunita kolem
>> projektu, která ho udržuje na dobrovolnické bázi. Veřejnost často ani
>> netuší, kde se ty mapičky berou - bylo by super to zdůraznit a ocenit tak
>> práci komunity.
>>
>> Stačí?
>>
>> Jachym
>>
>> čt 2. 11. 2017 v 10:09 odesílatel Lenka Kováčová <
>> lenka.kovac...@motejl.cz> napsal:
>>
>> Dobrý den Jáchyme,
>>
>> mám na

Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci

statistiku prosím ;-)

čt 2. 11. 2017 v 19:55 odesílatel Marián Kyral  napsal:

> Tak v tom případě bych určitě zmínil projekt mapování turistických tras a
> sbírání fotek rozcestníků. Tom Kašpárek možná dodá i statistiku, kolik se
> povedlo zmapovat.
>
> Marián
>
> -- Původní e-mail --
> Od: Jachym Cepicky 
> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
> Datum: 2. 11. 2017 19:21:25
> Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
>
> No právě :-D
>
> já to beru prostě jako komunitu, občanskou iniciativu ze zdola, v podstatě
> tenhle mailing list, bez formálního tělesa.
>
> Ale i tahle améba, kterou tvoříte vy, lidi, si zaslouží kredit a o ten mi
> jde
>
> j
>
> On Thu, 2 Nov 2017, 19:04 Marián Kyral,  wrote:
>
> BTW: co se vlastně přesně myslí pojmem "openstreetmap.cz"? :-D
>
>
> Marián
>
> -- Původní e-mail --
> Od: Jachym Cepicky 
> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
> Datum: 2. 11. 2017 16:47:55
> Předmět: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
>
> Dámy a pánové,
>
>
> dovolil jsem si proaktivně přihlásit OpenStreetMap.cz do soutěže "Společně
> otevíráme data" - s nikým jsem to nekonzultoval, bylo to na poslední
> chvíli, prostě jsem to udělal a čekal, co se bude dít.
>
> Teď se mi to trochu vrátilo, protože po mě chějí: "Co se za poslední rok
> aktualizovalo/změnilo".
>
> Mohli byste mi prosím pomoct? Co se stalo zásadního v roce 2017, kvůli
> čemu je OSM nejlepší otevřeně-datový projekt v ČR?
>
> Prosím moc neváhejte reagovat, chtějí to obratem.
>
> Díky za pomoc
>
> Jachym
>
> P.S. Prosím pište nejdřív konstruktivně, a nadávky co jsem si to dovolil
> bez informování komunity do zvláštního vlákna, abych se v tom vyznal - díky.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Lenka Kováčová 
> Date: čt 2. 11. 2017 v 11:59
> Subject: Re: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
> To: Jachym Cepicky 
>
>
> Ahoj,
>
> to všechno chápu a OpenStreetMap samozřejmě považuji za skvělý projekt.
> Jde mi ale o ten pojem *Aktualizovaná. *V pravidlech soutěže je totiž
> napsané Aplikace *"musí být nová či již existující avšak aktualizovaná,
> tzn. aplikace nebo její aktualizace musí být publikována v období listopad
> 2016 - říjen 2017. Aktualizovaná aplikace se musí výrazně lišit od
> předchozí verze."*
>
> Můžete mi prosím napsat v čem se v daném období nejvíc změnila?
>
> Díky moc za pochopení.
> L.
>
> Lenka Kováčová Koordinátorka Fondu Otakara Motejla
>
> *FOND OTAKARA MOTEJLA*
>
> Hradecká 18, 130 00 Praha 3
>
> t: +420 226 227 705 m: +420 728 863 039
>
> e: lenka.kovac...@motejl.cz | w: www.osf.cz
>
> fb: www.facebook.com/nadace.osf | t: @nadaceOSF
>
> Fond Otakara Motejla spravuje Nadace Open Society Fund Praha
>
> Dne 2. listopadu 2017 10:44 Jachym Cepicky 
> napsal(a):
>
> Ahoj,
>
> přihlásil jsem projekt OpenStreetMap jako celek (za Českou republiku).
> Projekt, který čerpá  všechny dostupné státní/soukromé/lidské datové zdroje
> do jednoho velkého, komplexního, udržovaného datasetu. Celá Česká republika
> má momentálně 1GB zazipovaných dat a obsahuje celou mapu ČR. Data z OSM
> používá na svých stránkách klub českých turistů, stejně jako Seznam.cz
> (Seznam tedy pouze pro oblasti mimo ČR - jenom tím chci říct, že je to
> uznávaný zdroj), často se k OSM utíkají i veřejné instituce, protože pořád
> platí, že prostrová data si v ČR veřejná správa mezi sebou přeprodává,
> IHned, https://www.vodafone.cz/mapa-pokryti/, a další. Pokud se vám do
> soutěže v minulosti nebo součastnosti přihlásila nějaká mapová aplikace,
> vsaďte se, že používá jako podklad právě OpenStreetMap
>
> Projekt je denně na dobrovolnické bázi ručně i poloautomaticky (pomocí
> open source programů) udržovaný a aktualizovaný. Česká komkunita se točí
> okolo stránek https://openstreetmap.cz/ a existuje aktivní forum
> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=47  i mailing list
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/
>
> Výsledkem je nejenom "tištěná" webová mapa, ale hlavně podkladová data, ze
> kterých si každý může udělat svoji vlastní mapu, provádět analýzy,
> konfrontovat se skutečností.
>
> Přihlásil jsem OpenStreetMap, protože by se tím ocenila komunita kolem
> projektu, která ho udržuje na dobrovolnické bázi. Veřejnost často ani
> netuší, kde se ty mapičky berou - bylo by super to zdůraznit a ocenit tak
> práci komunity.
>
> Stačí?
>
> Jachym
>
> čt 2. 11. 2017 v 10:09 odesílatel Lenka Kováčová 
> napsal:
>
> Dobrý den Jáchyme,
>
> mám na vás dotaz v souvislosti s aplikací, kterou jste přihlásili do
> soutěže Společně otevíráme data. Ve formulář jste aplikaci označili jako
> *Aktualizovanou. *
>
> Chtěla bych vás proto poprosit o bližší vysvětlení toho, jak byla aplikace
> aktualizovaná - v čem přesně tato aktualizace spočívá.

[OSM-talk-fr] live.openstreetmap.fr down

2017-11-02 Thread Florian LAINEZ

Hello,
http://live.openstreetmap.fr/ est down, est-ce lié aux problèmes d'infra
précédemment abordés par Chrisitian ou est-ce que je vous nourri gentiment
d'un nouveau problème ? ;)

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Re: [talk-latam] talk-latam Digest, Vol 38, Issue 1

2017-11-02 Thread Gonzales, Miriam - (p)

Hola Javier,

Realmente ando muy limitada de tiempo para reunirnos, pero igual y podemos 
avanzar por aquí.
Cuando mencionas “aunque trabajando básicamente en los mismo” ¿a qué te 
refieres en específico? 
Antes de pensar en sumar sinergias sería bueno que nos compartieras datos y 
estadísticas de lo que se ha hecho en GeoCensos. No me queda claro qué logros 
ha tenido la organización que representas.

Saludos y gracias,

M

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Hola comunidad mapera,



Cada año dentro del mes de Noviembre se lleva a cabo el OSMGeoWeek en la cual 
se trata de llevar a cabo eventos tales como mapatones o charlas para 
sensibilizar sobre la importancia de los datos geoespaciales abiertos y darle 
difusión a OpenStreetMap. Es una muy buena oportunidad ya que aún faltan por 
mapear y validar tareas de los pasados sismos de Septiembre, si se animan a 
llevar a cabo un mapatón les compartimos algunos links que pueden ser útiles



a. Qué es un mapatón y cómo organizarlo --- 
https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https://blogs.iadb.org/abierto-al-publico/2016/11/10/especial-de-innovacion-abierta-que-es-un-mapaton-y-como-organizarlo/=E,1,89vXm1FoYfbkDoGKtzjWV1YdWke2TJf8udk0jHYH2nayvl5gcuJE5d_cxaqG9Psn8zKPZLHe4d_86jcvEaxhLGXKPq_Qzk6ejnPkyKc9C8Y,=1

b. Tareas pendientes de Mapeo y validación Sismos en 
México---https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http://tasks.hotosm.org/contribute%3fdifficulty%3dALL%26organisation%3dOSM-MX=E,1,9OdTbMUyX03vSJNXFKVwxfLUl1ntg8mr87qAa7yvIH940dh8lgZ07k3NzzjbfGd5Vtw9x0dEulZj-cO74DTgBjC9kqI9aeNkuQLxXWF3xFCBwoJN=1

c. Pueden agregar directamente su evento en OSMGeoWeek 
---https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=http://osmgeoweek.org/=E,1,DoBwWrO6XZShOY7jHfr_yL19jmOwOUZm1KNmwG5iR63SgzxIf29Xxj6U2SpKFf4tXiri3GdcyeUFlidEHqICiq5SFNYq6-Az60ZxA9fsONAM6NlV6nM,=1



Un gran saludo,



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Hola Miriam,

Felicidades por la iniciativa! Nosotros estaremos Aguascalientes en otro 
mapathon , aunque trabajando básicamente en los mismo.

¿Les parece que conversemos para sumar sinergias? Te mandé un correo hace un 
tiempo para tratar temas como este, cuando estuve en ciudad de México para el 
terremoto. Y el Martes que viene estaré de nuevo por allí ¿Retomamos?

Abrazo

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[OSM-talk] Please share the Philosophy of Openness in Geospatial Science and Education on GIS Day and other Geo events

2017-11-02 Thread Suchith Anand

Dear colleagues,

It  is over a decade now since we started working on the philosophy of Openness 
in Geospatial Science  and Education. The pace of change in the GIS in the last 
decade towards Openness has been beyond even my expectations.

May i request all who are taking part in various Geo events (Geography 
Awareness Week, OSM Geo Week, GIS day etc ) to  make use of the opportunity to 
promote Open Principles in GeoEducation by sharing information on GeoForAll and 
welcoming those interested to be part of Open Principles in Science and 
Education. Please share the  pledge for  supporting Open Principles for Science 
and Education for building a better world for everyone.

The ideas are summarized at 
https://www.slideshare.net/SuchithAnand/the-future-of-geo-is-open

We welcome everyone to support Open Principles for Science and Education for 
building a better world for everyone.

The Future of Geo is For Everyone...

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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci

Tak v tom případě bych určitě zmínil projekt mapování turistických tras a
sbírání fotek rozcestníků. Tom Kašpárek možná dodá i statistiku, kolik se
povedlo zmapovat.

Marián

-- Původní e-mail --
Od: Jachym Cepicky 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 2. 11. 2017 19:21:25
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
"No právě :-D



já to beru prostě jako komunitu, občanskou iniciativu ze zdola, v podstatě
tenhle mailing list, bez formálního tělesa. 




Ale i tahle améba, kterou tvoříte vy, lidi, si zaslouží kredit a o ten mi
jde




j



On Thu, 2 Nov 2017, 19:04 Marián Kyral,  wrote:

"
BTW: co se vlastně přesně myslí pojmem "openstreetmap.cz
(http://openstreetmap.cz)"? :-D



Marián

-- Původní e-mail --
Od: Jachym Cepicky 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 2. 11. 2017 16:47:55
Předmět: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci


"
Dámy a pánové,
"

"




dovolil jsem si proaktivně přihlásit OpenStreetMap.cz do soutěže "Společně
otevíráme data" - s nikým jsem to nekonzultoval, bylo to na poslední chvíli,
prostě jsem to udělal a čekal, co se bude dít.




Teď se mi to trochu vrátilo, protože po mě chějí: "Co se za poslední rok
aktualizovalo/změnilo".




Mohli byste mi prosím pomoct? Co se stalo zásadního v roce 2017, kvůli čemu
je OSM nejlepší otevřeně-datový projekt v ČR?




Prosím moc neváhejte reagovat, chtějí to obratem.




Díky za pomoc




Jachym




P.S. Prosím pište nejdřív konstruktivně, a nadávky co jsem si to dovolil bez
informování komunity do zvláštního vlákna, abych se v tom vyznal - díky.



-- Forwarded message -
From: Lenka Kováčová 
Date: čt 2. 11. 2017 v 11:59
Subject: Re: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
To: Jachym Cepicky 




Ahoj,



to všechno chápu a OpenStreetMap samozřejmě považuji za skvělý projekt. Jde
mi ale o ten pojem Aktualizovaná. V pravidlech soutěže je totiž napsané
Aplikace "musí být nová či již existující avšak aktualizovaná, tzn. aplikace
nebo její aktualizace musí být publikována v období listopad 2016 - říjen
2017. Aktualizovaná aplikace se musí výrazně lišit od předchozí verze."




Můžete mi prosím napsat v čem se v daném období nejvíc změnila?




Díky moc za pochopení.

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Dne 2. listopadu 2017 10:44 Jachym Cepicky  napsal(a):




"
Ahoj,



přihlásil jsem projekt OpenStreetMap jako celek (za Českou republiku).
Projekt, který čerpá  všechny dostupné státní/soukromé/lidské datové zdroje
do jednoho velkého, komplexního, udržovaného datasetu. Celá Česká republika
má momentálně 1GB zazipovaných dat a obsahuje celou mapu ČR. Data z OSM
používá na svých stránkách klub českých turistů, stejně jako Seznam.cz
(Seznam tedy pouze pro oblasti mimo ČR - jenom tím chci říct, že je to
uznávaný zdroj), často se k OSM utíkají i veřejné instituce, protože pořád
platí, že prostrová data si v ČR veřejná správa mezi sebou přeprodává,
IHned, https://www.vodafone.cz/mapa-pokryti/
(https://www.vodafone.cz/mapa-pokryti/), a další. Pokud se vám do soutěže v
minulosti nebo součastnosti přihlásila nějaká mapová aplikace, vsaďte se, že
používá jako podklad právě OpenStreetMap




Projekt je denně na dobrovolnické bázi ručně i poloautomaticky (pomocí open
source programů) udržovaný a aktualizovaný. Česká komkunita se točí okolo
stránek https://openstreetmap.cz/(https://openstreetmap.cz/) a existuje
aktivní forum https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=47
(https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=47)  i mailing list 
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/
(https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/)




Výsledkem je nejenom "tištěná" webová mapa, ale hlavně podkladová data, ze
kterých si každý může udělat svoji vlastní mapu, provádět analýzy,
konfrontovat se skutečností.




Přihlásil jsem OpenStreetMap, protože by se tím ocenila komunita kolem
projektu, která ho udržuje na dobrovolnické bázi. Veřejnost často ani
netuší, kde se ty mapičky berou - bylo by super to zdůraznit a ocenit tak
práci komunity.




Stačí?




Jachym




čt 2. 11. 2017 v 10:09 odesílatel Lenka Kováčová  napsal:



"

Dobrý den

[OSM-talk-fr] Cherche photos pour illustrer osm.fr

2017-11-02 Thread Florian LAINEZ

Hello,
Nous avions parlé en début d'année d'une refonte du site internet
openstreetmap.fr
Je m'y repenche en ce moment, et je cherche des photos pour illustrer les
pages.

Si vous en avez de très belles je suis preneur !

Ce qui m'intéresse :
-des photos de groupe / événements
-des photos de rencontre avec les collectivités / entreprises / aux acteurs
-des contributeurs sur le terrain (avec smartphone / papier / autre, à
pied, à vélo, à cheval ! ...)
-des contributeurs qui mappent depuis leur ordi

Vous l'avez compris, je cherche de l'humain et des photos de qualité.
Merci par avance pour votre aide

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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci

No právě :-D

já to beru prostě jako komunitu, občanskou iniciativu ze zdola, v podstatě
tenhle mailing list, bez formálního tělesa.

Ale i tahle améba, kterou tvoříte vy, lidi, si zaslouží kredit a o ten mi
jde

j

On Thu, 2 Nov 2017, 19:04 Marián Kyral,  wrote:

> BTW: co se vlastně přesně myslí pojmem "openstreetmap.cz"? :-D
>
>
> Marián
>
> -- Původní e-mail --
> Od: Jachym Cepicky 
> Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
> Datum: 2. 11. 2017 16:47:55
> Předmět: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
>
> Dámy a pánové,
>
>
> dovolil jsem si proaktivně přihlásit OpenStreetMap.cz do soutěže "Společně
> otevíráme data" - s nikým jsem to nekonzultoval, bylo to na poslední
> chvíli, prostě jsem to udělal a čekal, co se bude dít.
>
> Teď se mi to trochu vrátilo, protože po mě chějí: "Co se za poslední rok
> aktualizovalo/změnilo".
>
> Mohli byste mi prosím pomoct? Co se stalo zásadního v roce 2017, kvůli
> čemu je OSM nejlepší otevřeně-datový projekt v ČR?
>
> Prosím moc neváhejte reagovat, chtějí to obratem.
>
> Díky za pomoc
>
> Jachym
>
> P.S. Prosím pište nejdřív konstruktivně, a nadávky co jsem si to dovolil
> bez informování komunity do zvláštního vlákna, abych se v tom vyznal - díky.
>
> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Lenka Kováčová 
> Date: čt 2. 11. 2017 v 11:59
> Subject: Re: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
> To: Jachym Cepicky 
>
>
> Ahoj,
>
> to všechno chápu a OpenStreetMap samozřejmě považuji za skvělý projekt.
> Jde mi ale o ten pojem *Aktualizovaná. *V pravidlech soutěže je totiž
> napsané Aplikace *"musí být nová či již existující avšak aktualizovaná,
> tzn. aplikace nebo její aktualizace musí být publikována v období listopad
> 2016 - říjen 2017. Aktualizovaná aplikace se musí výrazně lišit od
> předchozí verze."*
>
> Můžete mi prosím napsat v čem se v daném období nejvíc změnila?
>
> Díky moc za pochopení.
> L.
>
> Lenka Kováčová Koordinátorka Fondu Otakara Motejla
>
> *FOND OTAKARA MOTEJLA*
>
> Hradecká 18, 130 00 Praha 3
>
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>
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>
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>
> Dne 2. listopadu 2017 10:44 Jachym Cepicky 
> napsal(a):
>
> Ahoj,
>
> přihlásil jsem projekt OpenStreetMap jako celek (za Českou republiku).
> Projekt, který čerpá  všechny dostupné státní/soukromé/lidské datové zdroje
> do jednoho velkého, komplexního, udržovaného datasetu. Celá Česká republika
> má momentálně 1GB zazipovaných dat a obsahuje celou mapu ČR. Data z OSM
> používá na svých stránkách klub českých turistů, stejně jako Seznam.cz
> (Seznam tedy pouze pro oblasti mimo ČR - jenom tím chci říct, že je to
> uznávaný zdroj), často se k OSM utíkají i veřejné instituce, protože pořád
> platí, že prostrová data si v ČR veřejná správa mezi sebou přeprodává,
> IHned, https://www.vodafone.cz/mapa-pokryti/, a další. Pokud se vám do
> soutěže v minulosti nebo součastnosti přihlásila nějaká mapová aplikace,
> vsaďte se, že používá jako podklad právě OpenStreetMap
>
> Projekt je denně na dobrovolnické bázi ručně i poloautomaticky (pomocí
> open source programů) udržovaný a aktualizovaný. Česká komkunita se točí
> okolo stránek https://openstreetmap.cz/ a existuje aktivní forum
> https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=47  i mailing list
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/
>
> Výsledkem je nejenom "tištěná" webová mapa, ale hlavně podkladová data, ze
> kterých si každý může udělat svoji vlastní mapu, provádět analýzy,
> konfrontovat se skutečností.
>
> Přihlásil jsem OpenStreetMap, protože by se tím ocenila komunita kolem
> projektu, která ho udržuje na dobrovolnické bázi. Veřejnost často ani
> netuší, kde se ty mapičky berou - bylo by super to zdůraznit a ocenit tak
> práci komunity.
>
> Stačí?
>
> Jachym
>
> čt 2. 11. 2017 v 10:09 odesílatel Lenka Kováčová 
> napsal:
>
> Dobrý den Jáchyme,
>
> mám na vás dotaz v souvislosti s aplikací, kterou jste přihlásili do
> soutěže Společně otevíráme data. Ve formulář jste aplikaci označili jako
> *Aktualizovanou. *
>
> Chtěla bych vás proto poprosit o bližší vysvětlení toho, jak byla aplikace
> aktualizovaná - v čem přesně tato aktualizace spočívá.
>
> Ideálně ASAP.
>
> Děkuji moc.
>
> Lenka
>
> Lenka Kováčová Koordinátorka Fondu Otakara Motejla
>
> *FOND OTAKARA MOTEJLA*
>
> Hradecká 18, 130 00 Praha 3
>
> t: +420 226 227 705 m: +420 728 863 039
>
> e: lenka.kovac...@motejl.cz | w: www.osf.cz
>
> fb: www.facebook.com/nadace.osf | t: @nadaceOSF
>
> Fond Otakara Motejla spravuje Nadace Open Society Fund Praha
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Projet sur les données vélo en Île-de-France

2017-11-02 Thread Florian LAINEZ

CartoCité vous êtes les mecs les plus cools de la classe OSM ! Et je dis ça
sans ironie aucune ... vous êtes au top les gars.
Continuez comme ça.

Le 31 octobre 2017 à 17:19, Antoine Riche  a écrit
:

> Le 31/10/2017 à 16:42, marc marc a écrit :
>
> - génial pour le démarrage du projet
> - c'est étonnant la carte des changeset, il y en a un qui va quasi
> jusqu'à Toulouse (pas trouvé comment on passait de la carte
> au changeset lui-même)
>
> Bizarre en effet, et cette carte ne permet pas de remonter au changeset en
> effet. Il peut arriver de laisser passer le hashtag par mégarde dans le
> commentaire, par exemple si Simon corrige plusieurs signalements remontés
> par Géovélo. Ça ne me semble pas très grave.
>
> - un petit mot sur le matos photo 360° ? si c'est abordable en tant que
> particulier, ce serrait intéressant à connaître.
>
> On utilise un LG360, très abordable (150 €) et de qualité correcte (5660 x
> 2830 pixels). Elle permet de prendre une photo toutes les 2 secondes, on la
> monte sur un manche fixé au vélo pour qu'elle soit positionnée au-dessus de
> la tête. Plus d'infos sur Mapillary : https://github.com/mapillary/
> UserGuide/wiki/LG-360-Cam-(LGR105). Au GPS du smartphone on préfère
> utiliser un GPS Bluetooth puis corréler la trace : compter environ 100 € de
> plus mais le résultat est de meilleure qualité et ça économise la batterie
> du téléphone.
>
> Antoine.
>
>
>
> 
>  Garanti
> sans virus. www.avast.com
> 
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Re: [Talk-it] Import Dati regione Puglia

2017-11-02 Thread Francesco Piero Paolicelli

tommy guarda la licenza iniziale in base a questa matrice.
M sembra che i dati pugliesi siano in cc-by-sa e in iodl2.0

ci andrei cauto

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/ODbL_Compatibility 

Piersoft
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> Il giorno 02 nov 2017, alle ore 16:29, tommasodinoia 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Ciao a tutti,
> sto lavorando insieme a Luca ai dati di cui vi ha parlato. I dati da
> importare derivano da un progetto comune tra Politecnico di Bari e Regione
> Puglia e provengono dai due portali:
> http://www.pugliadigitallibrary.it
> https://www.viaggiareinpuglia.it (questi ultimi nella loro versione Open
> Data disponibile su http://www.dati.puglia.it).
> 
> Ci chiedevamo anche se la procedura di import su OSM potesse essere
> (semi-)automatizzata in modo da caricare in maniera più automatica possibile
> i dati su OSM, a valle di una loro verifica ovviamente.
> 
> Grazie a tutti per il supporto,
> - T
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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Re: [Talk-cz] Fwd: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci

2017-11-02 Thread Jiří Komárek

Co mne napadá je okamžité včlenění RUIAN dat do mapy. Jakmile je někde 
zRUIANizována vesnice, do týdne jsou domy v mapě.



Ale o nějakou revoluci se nejedná, spíše poklidná evoluce. Šlo by nějak 
vypíchnout integraci různých dat (klidně i starších importů - chráněná 
území, lesy, vodstvo, hranice obcí, RUIAN, LPIS, ...) do jednoho 
smysluplného celku?



Iniciativu jako takovou chválím ;-)


On 2.11.2017 16:46, Jachym Cepicky wrote:

Dámy a pánové,

dovolil jsem si proaktivně přihlásit OpenStreetMap.cz do soutěže 
"Společně otevíráme data" - s nikým jsem to nekonzultoval, bylo to na 
poslední chvíli, prostě jsem to udělal a čekal, co se bude dít.


Teď se mi to trochu vrátilo, protože po mě chějí: "Co se za poslední 
rok aktualizovalo/změnilo".


Mohli byste mi prosím pomoct? Co se stalo zásadního v roce 2017, kvůli 
čemu je OSM nejlepší otevřeně-datový projekt v ČR?


Prosím moc neváhejte reagovat, chtějí to obratem.

Díky za pomoc

Jachym

P.S. Prosím pište nejdřív konstruktivně, a nadávky co jsem si to 
dovolil bez informování komunity do zvláštního vlákna, abych se v tom 
vyznal - díky.


-- Forwarded message -
From: Lenka Kováčová >

Date: čt 2. 11. 2017 v 11:59
Subject: Re: DŮLEŽITÉ_Doplnění infa k aplikaci
To: Jachym Cepicky >



Ahoj,

to všechno chápu a OpenStreetMap samozřejmě považuji za skvělý 
projekt. Jde mi ale o ten pojem /Aktualizovaná. /V pravidlech soutěže 
je totiž napsané Aplikace /"musí být nová či již existující avšak 
aktualizovaná, tzn. aplikace nebo její aktualizace musí být 
publikována v období listopad 2016 - říjen 2017. Aktualizovaná 
aplikace se musí výrazně lišit od předchozí verze."/

//
Můžete mi prosím napsat v čem se v daném období nejvíc změnila?
Díky moc za pochopení.
L.

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Dne 2. listopadu 2017 10:44 Jachym Cepicky > napsal(a):


Ahoj,

přihlásil jsem projekt OpenStreetMap jako celek (za Českou
republiku). Projekt, který čerpá  všechny dostupné
státní/soukromé/lidské datové zdroje do jednoho velkého,
komplexního, udržovaného datasetu. Celá Česká republika má
momentálně 1GB zazipovaných dat a obsahuje celou mapu ČR. Data z
OSM používá na svých stránkách klub českých turistů, stejně jako
Seznam.cz (Seznam tedy pouze pro oblasti mimo ČR - jenom tím chci
říct, že je to uznávaný zdroj), často se k OSM utíkají i veřejné
instituce, protože pořád platí, že prostrová data si v ČR veřejná
správa mezi sebou přeprodává, IHned,
https://www.vodafone.cz/mapa-pokryti/, a další. Pokud se vám do
soutěže v minulosti nebo součastnosti přihlásila nějaká mapová
aplikace, vsaďte se, že používá jako podklad právě OpenStreetMap

Projekt je denně na dobrovolnické bázi ručně i poloautomaticky
(pomocí open source programů) udržovaný a aktualizovaný. Česká
komkunita se točí okolo stránek https://openstreetmap.cz/ a
existuje aktivní forum
https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=47 i mailing list
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/

Výsledkem je nejenom "tištěná" webová mapa, ale hlavně podkladová
data, ze kterých si každý může udělat svoji vlastní mapu, provádět
analýzy, konfrontovat se skutečností.

Přihlásil jsem OpenStreetMap, protože by se tím ocenila komunita
kolem projektu, která ho udržuje na dobrovolnické bázi. Veřejnost
často ani netuší, kde se ty mapičky berou - bylo by super to
zdůraznit a ocenit tak práci komunity.

Stačí?

Jachym

čt 2. 11. 2017 v 10:09 odesílatel Lenka Kováčová
> napsal:

Dobrý den Jáchyme,

mám na vás dotaz v souvislosti s aplikací, kterou jste
přihlásili do soutěže Společně otevíráme data. Ve formulář
jste aplikaci označili jako /Aktualizovanou. /
/
/
Chtěla bych vás proto poprosit o bližší vysvětlení toho, jak
byla aplikace aktualizovaná - v čem přesně tato aktualizace
spočívá.

Ideálně ASAP.

Děkuji moc.

Lenka

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Re: [Talk-it] Import Dati regione Puglia

2017-11-02 Thread Alessandro


Il 02/11/2017 16:29, tommasodinoia ha scritto:

Ciao a tutti,
sto lavorando insieme a Luca ai dati di cui vi ha parlato. I dati da
importare derivano da un progetto comune tra Politecnico di Bari e Regione
Puglia e provengono dai due portali:
http://www.pugliadigitallibrary.it
https://www.viaggiareinpuglia.it (questi ultimi nella loro versione Open
Data disponibile su http://www.dati.puglia.it).

Ci chiedevamo anche se la procedura di import su OSM potesse essere
(semi-)automatizzata in modo da caricare in maniera più automatica possibile
i dati su OSM, a valle di una loro verifica ovviamente.

Grazie a tutti per il supporto,
- T




Ciao Tommaso,
andrebbe creata una pagina nella wiki, qui (1) trovi diversi link di 
import nel quale indicare le fonti e il processo che seguirete. Indicate 
lì quali strumenti vorreste utilizzare.


E già che ci siamo anche una preghiera: sia in viaggiareinpuglia che in 
pugliadigitallibreary nelle mappe OSM che fanno bella vista non c'è 
traccia di attribuzione. Potreste segnalarlo?


Grazie
  Alessandro



1) http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Import_from_Italy

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[OSM-talk-ie] Outcomes of 21 October 2017 meetup

2017-11-02 Thread Donal Hunt

Hi everyone!

I believe someone documented the action items and owners from the meetup on
21 October 2017. Can you share them here (or in the Google drive folder) so
we can check them off as they are completed?

Also, where do we want to keep the discussion regarding the possible
establishment of a legal entity? Is this list the right place or should we
create a separate list? I have an update regarding my task so happy to
share in the relevant place.

Thanks!

Donal
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Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

2017-11-02 Thread Jan Martinec


On 11/02/17 08:20, Tomas Straupis wrote:

What was the reason NOT to use vector tiles?
As that would solve most of the problems discussed in this thread.

They didn't exist in a usable form at the time (I think), and most 
deployments are WebGL-based ("not a newish browser on a newish computer? 
Go away!"); switching from a image-based to a vector-based 
infrastructure is non-trivial. But vector tiles are the likely way 
forward, I definitely agree.


Best regards,

Honza "Piskvor" Martinec

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Re: [Talk-it] Import Dati regione Puglia

2017-11-02 Thread tommasodinoia

Ciao a tutti,
sto lavorando insieme a Luca ai dati di cui vi ha parlato. I dati da
importare derivano da un progetto comune tra Politecnico di Bari e Regione
Puglia e provengono dai due portali:
http://www.pugliadigitallibrary.it
https://www.viaggiareinpuglia.it (questi ultimi nella loro versione Open
Data disponibile su http://www.dati.puglia.it).

Ci chiedevamo anche se la procedura di import su OSM potesse essere
(semi-)automatizzata in modo da caricare in maniera più automatica possibile
i dati su OSM, a valle di una loro verifica ovviamente.

Grazie a tutti per il supporto,
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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map


On 11/02/17 14:21, Dave F wrote:



On 02/11/2017 13:25, Andy Townsend wrote:



On 11/02/17 13:02, Dave F wrote:


It's great pedestrian crossings are rendered, but the icon gets 
swallowed by the road way.


I'd probably need to see an example of that - any chance of a 
permalink?  It's supposed to render on top (albeit small), but it may 
be I've missed something and there's a situation in which they get 
missed.


They are there, just quite feint.
https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=18=51.344207=-2.344501 





What's the OSM object ID of one of them?  At first glance I can't see any...


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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map: abandoned railways may still have bridges.

2017-11-02 Thread Paul Berry

Michael,

Yes, I stand corrected: the tracks have been lifted here but everything
else is very visible.

The old (< 2015) rendering of the Standard Layer (which was until recently
available on http://tile.openstreetmap.fr and perhaps still is elsewhere)
did show this feature.

Andy,

I'm loath to map in such a way as to favour the Standard Layer (or any
layer, view, etc) as that's against good practice (though it does happen),
and we're not in control of what the layers show anyway. But point taken :)

Regards,
*Paul*

On 2 November 2017 at 14:00, Michael Booth  wrote:

> Assuming you are talking about this way: https://www.openstreetmap.org/
> way/201674137
>
> Nothing to do with disused=yes - it's not rendered because it's marked as
> railway=abandoned, which is the correct way to tag a former railway line
> where the tracks have been lifted but the route is still visible (which I
> presume is the case here).
>
> Though I do agree that bridge=* and railway=abandoned would be useful to
> have rendered.
>
>
> On 02/11/2017 13:43, Paul Berry wrote:
>
> Thirded.
>
> Examples abound but an egregious one, in this context, is the south side
> of Leeds City Centre where you have the Holbeck Viaduct with its 92 brick
> arches 3 stories high marching across the urban landscape. An extremely
> visible structure in reality but rendered invisible on all the main layers
> simply due to *disused=yes*.
>
> Regards,
> *Paul*
>
> On 2 November 2017 at 13:37, Philip Barnes  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 2 November 2017 13:23:53 GMT+00:00, ael 
>> wrote:
>> >On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 01:02:13PM +, Dave F wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > o Another is railways - I'm guessing you'd want to remove the
>> >rendering
>> >> > of dismantled railways, and also possibly abandoned ones,
>> >
>> >But please render existing bridges: these are quite common in Cornwall
>> >and are highly significant particulary where they cross roads.
>> >Just because the railway is dismantled or abandoned does not mean the
>> >bridges have magically evaporated.
>> >
>> +1
>>
>> The embankments, cuttings and trackbed have not evaporated either. Their
>> presence on the map is useful for rural navigation (ROW still climb disused
>> embankments and cutting), and they are potential routes for ROW improvement
>> projects which start by staring at a map so let's make OSM useful for this
>> purpose.
>>
>> With 2026 looming we need to avoid hiding useful countryside information.
>>
>> Phil (trigpoint)
>>
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Re: [Talk-it] Tag wikipedia su via

2017-11-02 Thread Andrea Musuruane

2017-11-02 15:40 GMT+01:00 Federico Cortese :

> 2017-10-11 16:54 GMT+02:00 Daniele Santini :
> > Nella mia città un utente ha aggiunto nel tag Wikipedia di una strada la
> > pagina wikipedia dedicata al personaggio a cui è intitolata la via. Ma
> > questo utilizzo non è sbagliato?
>
> Anche dalle mie parti succede la stessa cosa, ecco alcuni changeset:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53322521
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53322273
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53322330
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53322492
>
> Anche secondo me l'utilizzo di description, wikidata e wikipedia in
> questo modo sono sbagliati.
>

Concordo sull'utilizzo sbagliato. Avete provato a contattare l'utente (è
sempre lo stesso).

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2017-11-02 15:40 GMT+01:00 Federico Cortese :

> 2017-10-11 16:54 GMT+02:00 Daniele Santini :
> > Nella mia città un utente ha aggiunto nel tag Wikipedia di una strada la
> > pagina wikipedia dedicata al personaggio a cui è intitolata la via. Ma
> > questo utilizzo non è sbagliato?
>
> Anche dalle mie parti succede la stessa cosa, ecco alcuni changeset:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53322521
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53322273
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53322330
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53322492
>
> Anche secondo me l'utilizzo di description, wikidata e wikipedia in
> questo modo sono sbagliati.
>


+1, non solo secondo noi, anche secondo il wiki. La strada non è un'istanza
di "umano", ecc.
Come segnalato da Jo, la soluzione è un tag "name:etymology:wikidata=*"

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Re: [Talk-it] Tag wikipedia su via

2017-11-02 Thread Federico Cortese

2017-10-11 16:54 GMT+02:00 Daniele Santini :
> Nella mia città un utente ha aggiunto nel tag Wikipedia di una strada la
> pagina wikipedia dedicata al personaggio a cui è intitolata la via. Ma
> questo utilizzo non è sbagliato?

Anche dalle mie parti succede la stessa cosa, ecco alcuni changeset:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53322521
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53322273
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53322330
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/53322492

Anche secondo me l'utilizzo di description, wikidata e wikipedia in
questo modo sono sbagliati.

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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map

2017-11-02 Thread Dave F



On 02/11/2017 13:25, Andy Townsend wrote:



On 11/02/17 13:02, Dave F wrote:


It's great pedestrian crossings are rendered, but the icon gets 
swallowed by the road way.


I'd probably need to see an example of that - any chance of a 
permalink?  It's supposed to render on top (albeit small), but it may 
be I've missed something and there's a situation in which they get 
missed.


They are there, just quite feint.
https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=18=51.344207=-2.344501

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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map: abandoned railways may still have bridges.

2017-11-02 Thread Michael Booth

Assuming you are talking about this way: 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/201674137

Nothing to do with disused=yes - it's not rendered because it's marked 
as railway=abandoned, which is the correct way to tag a former railway 
line where the tracks have been lifted but the route is still visible 
(which I presume is the case here).

Though I do agree that bridge=* and railway=abandoned would be useful to 
have rendered.

On 02/11/2017 13:43, Paul Berry wrote:

Thirded.

Examples abound but an egregious one, in this context, is the south 
side of Leeds City Centre where you have the Holbeck Viaduct with its 
92 brick arches 3 stories high marching across the urban landscape. An 
extremely visible structure in reality but rendered invisible on all 
the main layers simply due to *disused=yes*.

Regards,
/Paul/

On 2 November 2017 at 13:37, Philip Barnes > wrote:

On 2 November 2017 13:23:53 GMT+00:00, ael
> wrote:
>On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 01:02:13PM +, Dave F wrote:
>> >
>> > o Another is railways - I'm guessing you'd want to remove the
>rendering
>> > of dismantled railways, and also possibly abandoned ones,
>
>But please render existing bridges: these are quite common in
Cornwall
>and are highly significant particulary where they cross roads.
>Just because the railway is dismantled or abandoned does not mean the
>bridges have magically evaporated.
>
+1

The embankments, cuttings and trackbed have not evaporated either.
Their presence on the map is useful for rural navigation (ROW
still climb disused embankments and cutting), and they are
potential routes for ROW improvement projects which start by
staring at a map so let's make OSM useful for this purpose.

With 2026 looming we need to avoid hiding useful countryside
information.

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Talk-de] Entwicklungsumgebung für Kartenstil

2017-11-02 Thread Sven Geggus

dktue  wrote:

> Hat jemand einen Tipp, wie man eine gute Entwicklungsumgebung schafft, 
> sodass man möglichst schnell iterieren und ausprobieren kann, während 
> man entwickelt? Früher gab es ja Tile-Mill, aber wie entwickelt man heute?

kosmtik

Allerdings so wie bei allen Node Anwendungen ein fürchterlicher Krampf, bis
das läuft %-/

Sowas ins Stilverzeichnis tun hilft ungemein:

$ cat localconfig.js
exports.LocalConfig = function (localizer, project) {
localizer.where('center').then([8.45083, 49.00261, 17]);
};

Das ist das Gebiet in dem das per default rendert.

Gruss

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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map: abandoned railways may still have bridges.


On 11/02/17 13:43, Paul Berry wrote:


Thirded.

Examples abound but an egregious one, in this context, is the south 
side of Leeds City Centre where you have the Holbeck Viaduct with its 
92 brick arches 3 stories high marching across the urban landscape. An 
extremely visible structure in reality but rendered invisible on all 
the main layers simply due to *disused=yes*.


If it's what I'm thinking about at 
https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=16=53.78962=-1.55777 
, wouldn't man_made=bridge (closed way around the bridge structure) make 
sense?  It might look a bit odd, but at least you'd see something in the 
"standard" style.


Best Regards,

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Re: [Talk-cz] multipolygony a cesty v lese

2017-11-02 Thread majka

Na jednotlivé stromy se podívej do mapy pohraničí s Rakouskem, třeba České
Velenice jsou pěkný příklad  ;)
Ve stromořadích je zmapovaný každý strom.

Jen netuším, jestli to teď také někdo aktualizoval (popadalo toho tady
docela dost).

Mimochodem, Němci to dělají taky...

2017-11-02 14:40 GMT+01:00 jzvc :
>
> ... a pripadne se muze najit nekdo, kdo zacne mapovat jednotlivy stromy ;D.
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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map: abandoned railways may still have bridges.

2017-11-02 Thread Paul Berry

Thirded.

Examples abound but an egregious one, in this context, is the south side of
Leeds City Centre where you have the Holbeck Viaduct with its 92 brick
arches 3 stories high marching across the urban landscape. An extremely
visible structure in reality but rendered invisible on all the main layers
simply due to *disused=yes*.

Regards,
*Paul*

On 2 November 2017 at 13:37, Philip Barnes  wrote:

>
>
> On 2 November 2017 13:23:53 GMT+00:00, ael 
> wrote:
> >On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 01:02:13PM +, Dave F wrote:
> >> >
> >> > o Another is railways - I'm guessing you'd want to remove the
> >rendering
> >> > of dismantled railways, and also possibly abandoned ones,
> >
> >But please render existing bridges: these are quite common in Cornwall
> >and are highly significant particulary where they cross roads.
> >Just because the railway is dismantled or abandoned does not mean the
> >bridges have magically evaporated.
> >
> +1
>
> The embankments, cuttings and trackbed have not evaporated either. Their
> presence on the map is useful for rural navigation (ROW still climb disused
> embankments and cutting), and they are potential routes for ROW improvement
> projects which start by staring at a map so let's make OSM useful for this
> purpose.
>
> With 2026 looming we need to avoid hiding useful countryside information.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map: abandoned railways may still have bridges.

2017-11-02 Thread Philip Barnes

On 2 November 2017 13:23:53 GMT+00:00, ael  wrote:
>On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 01:02:13PM +, Dave F wrote:
>> > 
>> > o Another is railways - I'm guessing you'd want to remove the
>rendering
>> > of dismantled railways, and also possibly abandoned ones,
>
>But please render existing bridges: these are quite common in Cornwall
>and are highly significant particulary where they cross roads.
>Just because the railway is dismantled or abandoned does not mean the
>bridges have magically evaporated.
>
+1

The embankments, cuttings and trackbed have not evaporated either. Their 
presence on the map is useful for rural navigation (ROW still climb disused 
embankments and cutting), and they are potential routes for ROW improvement 
projects which start by staring at a map so let's make OSM useful for this 
purpose. 

With 2026 looming we need to avoid hiding useful countryside information. 

Phil (trigpoint) 

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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map railway bridges

2017-11-02 Thread ael

On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 01:02:13PM +, Dave F wrote:
> > of dismantled railways, and also possibly abandoned ones,
> 
> I agree with removing all of the above, except where they're co-tagged with
> objects which still exist ie disused bridges:
> https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=18=51.344207=-2.344501

Oops. Sorry. I didn't scroll down far enough to notice that the point
was already made!

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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map




On 11/02/17 13:02, Dave F wrote:


It's great pedestrian crossings are rendered, but the icon gets 
swallowed by the road way.


I'd probably need to see an example of that - any chance of a 
permalink?  It's supposed to render on top (albeit small), but it may be 
I've missed something and there's a situation in which they get missed.



Could the text size in the legend be increased?
That's tricky.  The legend isn't "special", it's just a map, so the text 
size for names is exactly what would appear on the main map. The icon 
spacing in the POI section of the legend is chosen so that they're not 
too far away from each other at high zoom levels, and sometimes you have 
to zoom in so that text isn't obscured.  The text size above each POI 
could be changed, but any bigger and lots of text wouldn't appear 
because of label clashes.  I've tried various sizes and what's currently 
there is a compromise between readability and label clashes.




A link to the main site at the same location so the notes & queries 
features (right hand side) can be easily accessed.


That's probably doable, but it'd probably have to wait until someone 
gets a "round tuit" to write the relevant Javascript.  Notes (and 
fixmes) should be doable in Leaflet as an extra layer (but that's 
another round tuit), and a search option also makes sense here too. I 
probably wouldn't want to link to (say) .../relation/50288 because 
displaying the location information of that on mobile will likely 
overwhelm some mobile browsers, but a page of tags (and a location for 
POIs) would be nice.


Best Regards,
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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map: abandoned railways may still have bridges.

2017-11-02 Thread ael

On Thu, Nov 02, 2017 at 01:02:13PM +, Dave F wrote:
> > 
> > o Another is railways - I'm guessing you'd want to remove the rendering
> > of dismantled railways, and also possibly abandoned ones,

But please render existing bridges: these are quite common in Cornwall
and are highly significant particulary where they cross roads.
Just because the railway is dismantled or abandoned does not mean the
bridges have magically evaporated.

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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map

2017-11-02 Thread Dave F



On 30/10/2017 17:34, Andy Townsend wrote:

On 30/10/2017 08:58, Nick Whitelegg wrote:




As you may know, the plan is to produce a UK specific OSM mapping 
site. A start on this has been made here:



http://www.free-map.org.uk/osmuk/


using a fork of SomeoneElse (Andy)'s cartography with one very minor 
tweak so far, namely footpaths and bridleways are rendered in a style 
similar to Landranger maps.




Glad to be of service :)

There are a couple of other tweaks you'd probably want to do:

o One is to reinstate cycleways as "a thing".

+1


o Another is railways - I'm guessing you'd want to remove the 
rendering of dismantled railways, and also possibly abandoned ones, 


I agree with removing all of the above, except where they're co-tagged 
with objects which still exist ie disused bridges:

https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=18=51.344207=-2.344501

but I'd suggest keeping proposed ones so that people can see where HS2 
is going(!) (as an example, 
https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=15=53.11419=-1.31171 
shows all three types).


Personally I don't add proposed items & they seem to rarely come to 
fruition & often fail to be removed.


Other items:

It's great pedestrian crossings are rendered, but the icon gets 
swallowed by the road way.


Could the text size in the legend be increased?

A link to the main site at the same location so the notes & queries 
features (right hand side) can be easily accessed.


DaveF




o If you want to do "Welsh Language first in Wales" as described in 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/SomeoneElse/diary/42069 I can make 
the load scripts available for that.  It's pretty much what's in the 
diary entry but is a runnable script.


In terms of server space, we did have a server available to us for 
development purposes (provided by Birmingham in Real Time) however 
this will be unavailable for a month or two; however our contact 
there is going to recommend some cheap hosting options.




For info, the map.atownsend.org.uk site (which covers the UK and 
Ireland) currently fits nicely on a 4Gb memory / 100Gb SSD disk server 
at Hetzner; at <£15 per month you could probably short-term fund it 
with a whip-round in a pub.  I'm sure that the other competing options 
- OVH et al - are similar; for the size of server I wanted for the UK 
Hetzner made sense for me at the beginning of the year; slightly 
larger or smaller on any spec parameter and something else might have 
been better.


Best Regards,

Andy




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Re: [Talk-cz] multipolygony a cesty v lese


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Od: majka 
Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic 
Datum: 2. 11. 2017 13:04:35
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] multipolygony a cesty v lese
"

Beru, že ty multipolygony mají svoje nevýhody, ale používají se běžně.
Netuším, proč zrovna u lesů by měly být špatně, resp. obdobně by pak měly
být špatně třeba i pole apod. Tím by ovšem třeba import z lpis ztrácel
absolutně význam. Ne že bych ho používala běžně, ale občas se hodí použít to
k překreslení stavu, pokud se v okolí hodně staví apod. Dají se pak podle
toho najít přesněji hranice nové zástavby, nové ulice a silnice, pokud je
ještě neukazuje katastr a RUIAN.




Řekla bych, že ta snaha rozdělit to cestami vychází z "nové" snahy
vykreslovat silnice ne jako linie, ale jako plochy, navíc slepené k sobě.
Pak by to mělo logiku, protože jinak to bude hrozné udržovat. 



Uživatel fell je otázka sama o sobě - "řádí" všude možně. Otázka je, co s
tím. Osobně bych byla pro to, ho v Čechách zatím trochu usměrnit, pokud mapu
tedy nechce udržovat sám...

"



Je to nějaký šílenec. Na každou drobnost dělá extra changeset. Nedávno mi tu
myslím taky něco zeditoval (a blbě), ale už si nevzpomenu, co to bylo. Dělá
těch změn tolik, že se konkrétní blbě hledá. Mám pocit, že jsem mu tu změnu
okomentoval a on na ni neodpověděl. Neví někdo, zda je někde seznam
changesetů, které jsem komentoval? V profilu na OSM nic nevidím :-(




Ad multipolygony)

Podle mne záleží na konkrétní situaci, hlavně na šířce cesty a zda je kolem
hned les nebo ještě křoví. Ono ve své podstatě, je možné mít v multipolygonu
více outer cest, takže i když to bude rozděleno na jednotlivé kousky podle
cest, tak to pořád může být multipolygon.




A uživateli fell3 bych odpověděl, že německy neumím, ať příště píše anglicky
a doporučil mu, aby si nastudoval relace a multipolygony ;-)





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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-11-02 Thread JB


Hello,
Someone hinted it earlier, but may I repeat?
Is @tagging (list) not working correctly?
JB.

Le 02/11/2017 à 13:34, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit :


sent from a phone


On 2. Nov 2017, at 11:34, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:

With landuse=residential there are no sub tags to indicate the kind of houses 
there or apartment blocks, colours, height etc.


we might do this though. If we were all urbanists and architects we most likely 
would do it.



If you want that kind of detail then map the physical houses with that detail.

You could do the same with trees ..


We lack the manpower to map like this, and even more to maintain it. I’ll 
assume you forgot to put a smiley there


cheers,
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[OSM-talk-ie] Fwd: [HOT] OSM & gender inclusivity - survey

2017-11-02 Thread Donal Hunt

FYI

English survey is at
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf2-MoTnCgqc3Jnu1zValuh6enKzR_049k1aAQtR2sl9qEJsw/viewform
I already filled it out with my perspective of the Irish community. Would
be great if a few others could add their observations. Interested to hear
how some of the efforts for #MapLesotho faired in this regard (does age
play a factor?).

Donal

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place, fill out the survey (available in 7 languages):
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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

sent from a phone

> On 2. Nov 2017, at 11:34, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> With landuse=residential there are no sub tags to indicate the kind of houses 
> there or apartment blocks, colours, height etc.

we might do this though. If we were all urbanists and architects we most likely 
would do it.

> 
> If you want that kind of detail then map the physical houses with that detail.
> 
> You could do the same with trees ..

We lack the manpower to map like this, and even more to maintain it. I’ll 
assume you forgot to put a smiley there 

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

sent from a phone

> On 2. Nov 2017, at 11:34, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What next - the difference between a large group of houses and a smaller 
> group?

we already do this. We don’t tag a village as tiny town or a city as huge 
village. Different size can lead to different qualities

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

sent from a phone

> On 2. Nov 2017, at 11:24, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> How is a small area of trees different from a larger one?

it offers habitat for animals, creates its own microclimate and develops 
different soil. A forest is different from a group of trees. Just go into a 
forest and you’ll see, feel and smell the difference.

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Re: [Talk-cz] multipolygony a cesty v lese

2017-11-02 Thread majka

Beru, že ty multipolygony mají svoje nevýhody, ale používají se běžně.
Netuším, proč zrovna u lesů by měly být špatně, resp. obdobně by pak měly
být špatně třeba i pole apod. Tím by ovšem třeba import z lpis ztrácel
absolutně význam. Ne že bych ho používala běžně, ale občas se hodí použít
to k překreslení stavu, pokud se v okolí hodně staví apod. Dají se pak
podle toho najít přesněji hranice nové zástavby, nové ulice a silnice,
pokud je ještě neukazuje katastr a RUIAN.

*Řekla bych, že ta snaha rozdělit to cestami vychází z "nové" snahy
vykreslovat silnice ne jako linie, ale jako plochy, navíc slepené k sobě. *Pak
by to mělo logiku, protože jinak to bude hrozné udržovat.

Uživatel fell je otázka sama o sobě - "řádí" všude možně. Otázka je, co s
tím. Osobně bych byla pro to, ho v Čechách zatím trochu usměrnit, pokud
mapu tedy nechce udržovat sám...

2017-11-02 12:37 GMT+01:00 Milan Cerny :
> Ahoj všem, byl jsem německy kontaktován uživatelem fell3 s dotazem, proč
používám na lesní plochy multipolygony místo menších ploch. Podle něj, by
měly být lesní plochy rozděleny na malé kousky podle cest.
> Otázka je, co je správně když silnice, cesta nebo trať vede lesem, mají
být lesní plochy na každé straně cesty, nebo stačí, když cesta povede přes
souvislou lesní plochu.
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Re: [Talk-cz] multipolygony a cesty v lese

2017-11-02 Thread Miroslav Suchy

Dne 2.11.2017 v 12:37 Milan Cerny napsal(a):
> Otázka je, co je správně když silnice, cesta nebo trať vede lesem, mají být 
> lesní plochy na každé straně cesty, nebo stačí, když cesta povede přes 
> souvislou lesní plochu.

IMHO je spravne ten velky les (multipolygon). Nejedna se od nekolik lesu (jak 
bylo v tech dvou pripadech), ale o jeden
les. Pres nejz vede zeleznice nebo cesta. Stejne tak to nerozdeluji kolem 
pesiny (to uz by fakt byl extrem).

Mirek

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[Talk-cz] multipolygony a cesty v lese

2017-11-02 Thread Milan Cerny

Ahoj všem, byl jsem německy kontaktován uživatelem fell3 s dotazem, proč 
používám na lesní plochy multipolygony místo menších ploch. Podle něj, by měly 
být lesní plochy rozděleny na malé kousky podle cest.
Otázka je, co je správně když silnice, cesta nebo trať vede lesem, mají být 
lesní plochy na každé straně cesty, nebo stačí, když cesta povede přes 
souvislou lesní plochu.

Příklad rozdělení lesní cestou a tratí:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/537027420#map=16/49.0996/15.1616
Hned vedle je další "extrém" v podobě obkreslení vnitřních prvků místo vložení 
inner relace.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/537027430#map=15/49.1005/15.1731
Podle toho to vypadá, že se uživatel moc nekamarádí s multipolygony.

Další jeho otázkou je použití jedné linie pro dvě relace, například řeka v 
lese, kde je na jedné linii břeh řeky/outer a zároveň les/outer.
Podle něj je lepší slepit dvě linie ploch v jednu.
Jaký je váš názor?

Díky.

Milan

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/

2017-11-02 Thread lenny.libre


Ok, merci


Le 02/11/2017 à 11:50, Éric Gillet a écrit :

Christian (cquest) est déjà dessus ;)

Le 2 novembre 2017 à 11:46, lenny.libre > a écrit :


Bonjour,

Lorsque j'essaie d’accéder à http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/

Je reçois un message d'erreur Ubuntu Apache2 voir fichier

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

On 02/11/17 10:34, Warin wrote:
> On 02-Nov-17 09:21 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 02/11/17 09:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>>> ONE tag to say what? You are still owing an answer to this.
>> I think the problem is similar to the multiple areas problem. There are
>> several layers of complexity so should landuse=residential enclose the
>> whole area including the grass and wooded areas or should they all be
>> isolated areas? Adding leisure=park within landuse=residential area just
>> makes things even more difficult? Just what is a small area of trees?
>> within the leisure=park or landuse=forest because it's not a
>> natural=wood 'creation' ... it's something the planning authorities have
>> requested as perhaps a barrier or simply as an amenity ... or has been
>> preserved as it has been there for hundreds of years ...
>>
>> We need to build a proper hierarchy of LANDUSE into which more detail
>> can be added if required?
>>
> If you want to tag the presence of trees then it is a land cover you
> want, not a land use.
Rather than natural= ? ... My point was that there should be an agreed
non-overlaping set of landuse=tags ... landuse=agricultural for areas
between landuse=residential or landuse=industrial where appropriate with
the farm builds, yards, orchards, coppices, and other detail secondary
tags to the landuse one ... rather than having to define every field
with it's own landuse tag.

Actually ... how difficult would it be to identify areas that don't have
a boundary around them? I have always though it would be useful if one
could fill in the gaps between things like landuse= areas.

> The difference between a large group of trees compared to a smaller group?
Size of the area is not relevant ...
But adding landcover=trees inside landuse=residential is perhaps a
better solution? But should a large park outside a residential area
still be tagged leisure=park? To fill in the landuse coverage it should
perhaps be landuse=park ... with wooded areas tagged within it.

> What next - the difference between a large group of houses and a smaller
> group?
We can accurately every building cleanly that is not a problem! It's
adding the other details of the development which is ... somewhat hit
and miss?

> landuse=forest does not mean there are trees there all the time, they
> could be logged and later replanted.
> 
> With landuse=residential there are no sub tags to indicate the kind of
> houses there or apartment blocks, colours, height etc.
> 
> If you want that kind of detail then map the physical houses with that
> detail.
> 
> You could do the same with trees .. map each one with its height,
> species and genus .. I'll leave that to others...
Actually the plans for the current local developments HAVE all of that
detail. Not that I expect them to actually follow the signed off plans
on the ground ;) But it does define the areas of the developments that
are not covered with buildings, highway elements, private gardens and
fencing. But again for consistency should the whole area be re-tagged
residential from farmland, or the preserved wooded areas inside the
development be tagged differently?

One of the developments south of here has individual trees that have to
be protected but they are less of a problem since they are individual
objects.

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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map




On 11/02/17 10:32, David Woolley wrote:

On 31/10/17 19:04, Bob Hawkins wrote:
2. Permissive paths: I do not understand “/permissive paths need 
showing/


I hope this means distinguishing from public ones, rather than that 
they are currently not rendered!




They'll currently appear like the top "undesignated" row at:

http://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=16=-24.99242=135.08868

(that legend's at 
https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style-legend BTW - it's 
just some data pretending to be in the middle of Australia).


I'd encourage anyone who wants to see how things look to just have a go 
with changing the rendering (colours, dashes instead of dots or 
whatever) and seeing what works and what doesn't.   Nick's changed the 
rendering of bridleways in the OSM UK rendering to be closer to the OS's 
dashed rendering, but obviously that has knock-on effects elsewhere, and 
it's often easier to show a screenshot of the effect of a change rather 
than try to describe it.


Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/

2017-11-02 Thread Éric Gillet

Christian (cquest) est déjà dessus ;)

Le 2 novembre 2017 à 11:46, lenny.libre  a écrit :

> Bonjour,
>
> Lorsque j'essaie d’accéder à http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/
>
> Je reçois un message d'erreur Ubuntu Apache2 voir fichier
> https://framadrop.org/r/ZHSehpKmel#HbQ9gcPy2DfzdrmZ0Ft1GhbT5+
> 3QO3DvZdncK2g/pWY=
>
> Je suis soux W10 avec Firefox 56
>
> Où signaler le pb ?
>
> Cordialement
>
> Leni
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[OSM-talk-fr] http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/

2017-11-02 Thread lenny.libre


Bonjour,

Lorsque j'essaie d’accéder à http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/

Je reçois un message d'erreur Ubuntu Apache2 voir fichier 
https://framadrop.org/r/ZHSehpKmel#HbQ9gcPy2DfzdrmZ0Ft1GhbT5+3QO3DvZdncK2g/pWY=


Je suis soux W10 avec Firefox 56

Où signaler le pb ?

Cordialement

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-11-02 Thread Marc Gemis

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 02-Nov-17 08:58 PM, Tomas Straupis wrote:
>>
>> 2017-11-02 11:24 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis wrote:
>>>
>>> The current situation is not helping in producing useful maps. Too
>>> often I find myself in a residential area with large gardens and trees
>>> when I expected to find a real forest based on what OSM is displaying.
>
>
> What is a 'real forest'? Compared to this 'residential area with large
> gardens and trees'?
>
> Would not the area give away what you would find there?
>
> How is a small area of trees different from a larger one?

What do you expect from

* http://osm.org/go/0Erceo7JJ-
* http://osm.org/go/0EjtkaxH
* http://osm.org/go/0ErRW49us-

?

In the first 2 the main use of the land is residential. Why do I see
landuse=forest ? IMHO it should be landuse=residential ;
leisure=garden;access=private ; landcover=trees

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

On 02/11/17 10:17, Warin wrote:
> A botanic Garden contains lots of different plants, including grass for
> the ones I have been to.
> Mapping each individual plant with its species and genus ... no thanks.
> I did map one tree though, just to be inconsistent. :)

But there is nothing stopping the staff of that Botanic Garden adding
all the footpaths, private areas, beds, features and so on if they are
working to produce their own map of the site? In much the same way that
universities and collages are mapping campuses in more and more detail.
Some areas have considerably more detail than others depending on who is
generating the data.

It's Tomas's interpretation of landuse=forest and natural=wood which is
a little at odds with others who would tag large 'unmanaged' forests as
natural=wood ... we need perhaps two levels of tagging for macro and
micro, rather than implying different interpretations on existing tags
depending on where they are used?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests


On 02-Nov-17 09:21 PM, Lester Caine wrote:

On 02/11/17 09:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

ONE tag to say what? You are still owing an answer to this.

I think the problem is similar to the multiple areas problem. There are
several layers of complexity so should landuse=residential enclose the
whole area including the grass and wooded areas or should they all be
isolated areas? Adding leisure=park within landuse=residential area just
makes things even more difficult? Just what is a small area of trees?
within the leisure=park or landuse=forest because it's not a
natural=wood 'creation' ... it's something the planning authorities have
requested as perhaps a barrier or simply as an amenity ... or has been
preserved as it has been there for hundreds of years ...

We need to build a proper hierarchy of LANDUSE into which more detail
can be added if required?

If you want to tag the presence of trees then it is a land cover you 
want, not a land use.


The difference between a large group of trees compared to a smaller group?

What next - the difference between a large group of houses and a smaller 
group?




landuse=forest does not mean there are trees there all the time, they 
could be logged and later replanted.


With landuse=residential there are no sub tags to indicate the kind of 
houses there or apartment blocks, colours, height etc.


If you want that kind of detail then map the physical houses with that 
detail.


You could do the same with trees .. map each one with its height, 
species and genus .. I'll leave that to others...





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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map

2017-11-02 Thread David Woolley


On 31/10/17 19:04, Bob Hawkins wrote:

2. Permissive paths: I do not understand “/permissive paths need showing/


I hope this means distinguishing from public ones, rather than that they 
are currently not rendered!


Almost every path in a council or Royal park is a permissive path, even 
if very few of them are correctly tagged as such.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests


On 02-Nov-17 08:58 PM, Tomas Straupis wrote:

2017-11-02 11:24 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis wrote:

The current situation is not helping in producing useful maps. Too
often I find myself in a residential area with large gardens and trees
when I expected to find a real forest based on what OSM is displaying.


What is a 'real forest'? Compared to this 'residential area with large gardens 
and trees'?

Would not the area give away what you would find there?

How is a small area of trees different from a larger one?



   This is exactly why I started the topology rules topic. What we're
doing in Lithuania is we have to separate types: general forest, and
forest inside residential, commercial, industrial zones. The later one
is usually just a small number of trees in an area which is marked as
say residential zone in official maps. The later one can easily be
skipped in a map and result would not have "holes".

   So even if we're using two tags in Lithuania, I'm fine with choosing
one tag for all forests/woods/trees/whatever and then if someone
needs/wants - they could add subtags for details.

   Introducing even new tags seems impossible (and impractical) because
absolute majority of mappers just want to tag "forest/wood". And they
don't care about the details, so they will not tag it. And I do not
know maps which would somehow use such data, especially when such
detailed data would only be filled by a few, so it will not be filled
in a large enough regions to do any reasonable analysis.



In that case used 'natural=wood' and be done, no sub tags.

That has no implication of 'managed' and according to parts of the 
OSMwiki includes 'unnatural' too.





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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] November meeting Thursday

2017-11-02 Thread Andy Robinson

I note at the transformed Gunmakers Arms that apart from the 10 real ale hand 
pulls “Every Thursday from 6pm to 8pm. Curry and rice or chips plus a pint of 
Two Towers Brewery ale for just £8.99.”

 

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/93693430 

 

Cheers

Andy

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 October 2017 22:37
To: Andy Robinson
Cc: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] November meeting Thursday

 

Sounds sensible. See you Thursday.

Regards,




Rob

 

On 30 October 2017 at 19:37, Andy Robinson  wrote:

Shall we try the Gunmakers Arms? If it doesn’t work out we call always walk 
over to The Bull.

 

Chees

Andy

 

From: Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 30 October 2017 17:28
To: talk-gb-westmidlands
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] November meeting Thursday

 

Hi all,

 

It's our monthly meeting this Thursday. Which pub shall we try this time?

 

Looking forward to seeing you all soon.

 

Thanks,

Rob

 

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

On 02/11/17 09:40, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> ONE tag to say what? You are still owing an answer to this.

I think the problem is similar to the multiple areas problem. There are
several layers of complexity so should landuse=residential enclose the
whole area including the grass and wooded areas or should they all be
isolated areas? Adding leisure=park within landuse=residential area just
makes things even more difficult? Just what is a small area of trees?
within the leisure=park or landuse=forest because it's not a
natural=wood 'creation' ... it's something the planning authorities have
requested as perhaps a barrier or simply as an amenity ... or has been
preserved as it has been there for hundreds of years ...

We need to build a proper hierarchy of LANDUSE into which more detail
can be added if required?

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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map

2017-11-02 Thread Nick Whitelegg

>2. Permissive paths: I do not understand “permissive paths need showing; 
>Andy's >cartography does not yet do this but again this is something I have 
>experience with.”  >Woodhouse Farm in Ipsden, South Oxfordshire has provided a 
>permissive footpath >and permissive bridleways.  Both are shown on Andy’s map 
>>(https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=15=53.11419;>lon=-1.31171on=-1.31171>):
> the footpath is overlaid with a pink dashed line and the >bridleway is shown 
>as others, simply.  I wonder what is the intention so far as >permissive paths 
>are concerned?  Woodhouse Farm has done walkers and horse >riders a tremendous 
>service by making these paths available.  The alternative PRoW >route would 
>have to be through woodland, obscuring otherwise beautiful views, >which we 
>can enjoy so much now.


By this I mean permissive paths are shown (Andy, correct me if I'm wrong) with 
the default black dashed lines rather than their own colour scheme, e.g


https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=15=50.97926=-0.9845


If you look at Butser Hill (the area round the 270m summit) there are various 
paths rendered in black dashed lines; all these are tagged as permissive.



Nick


From: Bob Hawkins 
Sent: 31 October 2017 19:04:55
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map

I wish to add my own pennies’ worth from a walker’s and mapper’s perspective on 
three matters:
1. The portrayal of barriers: we know kissing gates are not rendered in OSM but 
are rendered in Andy Townsend’s map.  In neither case, though, do barriers 
stand out strongly enough, in my opinion.  I created coloured images of a gate, 
kissing gate and stile for use with my Garmin eTrex Legend many years ago for 
this reason.  I continue to use them now in Locus Map on my smartphone.  I wish 
more attention would be applied; to place an appropriate image within a square, 
even, so that they are more visible.
2. Permissive paths: I do not understand “permissive paths need showing; Andy's 
cartography does not yet do this but again this is something I have experience 
with.”  Woodhouse Farm in Ipsden, South Oxfordshire has provided a permissive 
footpath and permissive bridleways.  Both are shown on Andy’s map 
(https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=15=53.11419=-1.31171):
 the footpath is overlaid with a pink dashed line and the bridleway is shown as 
others, simply.  I wonder what is the intention so far as permissive paths are 
concerned?  Woodhouse Farm has done walkers and horse riders a tremendous 
service by making these paths available.  The alternative PRoW route would have 
to be through woodland, obscuring otherwise beautiful views, which we can enjoy 
so much now.
3. Writing of beautiful views, my final item concerns scenic paths:  I have 
commented elsewhere that I wish paths with scenic views could be treated like 
the road atlases I remember where a green ribbon was placed alongside such 
roads.  I have been unaware that “description” tags have been used in OSM in 
the same way.  I wonder, though, what purpose such a tag achieves, or could 
achieve?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

On 02-Nov-17 08:49 PM, Lester Caine wrote:

On 02/11/17 09:13, Tomas Straupis wrote:

IMHO there are semantic implications in the key, as has been said many
times, <...>

And that is subjective -> nobody is wrong -> everybody is right ->
everybody thinks THEIR proposal is the right one -> this topic is not
settled for so many years -> I suggest doing a compromise and agreeing
on ONE tag.
(Compromise is currently done on rendering/data extraction side.
Nobody cares there about natural/landuse/landcover whatever. It's one
forest and that is it)

The only other way is to use de facto situation - natural=wood and
landuse=forest - and forget this discussion.

In terms of topology, the idea from some that 'landuse' only applies to
land that is 'used' for something implies that large areas of the planet
are 'unused'?

Or unmapped for human use.

Given that the tag landuse may not have a good value for what the mapper thinks
the area is used for,

or they think a different tag ... such as used for a National Park is all that
is needed to describe the land use so they leave the tag landuse off.
So I think rather than 'unused' they are 'unmapped' and/or the definition of
'use' has not included all the possible tags that could be interpreted to be
human use.

A single layer of areas defining the current 'landcover'
should be something that is managed even if that includes 'wood-managed'
and 'wood-unmanaged'. The current historic situation has never been
right but then so have other long-standing compromises in tagging.

P.S. And all I wanted was to talk about topology rules... BTW: here is
an example of topology rules in Lithuania:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Lithuania/Topology_rules

In terms of the UK, Land Use and Land Cover is well defined with a set
of clear classifications
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-land-use-database-land-use-and-land-cover-classification
except they are not really THAT clear. In your rules #2 and #5 seem to
be at odds? and in the UK classifications, just how do you define the
wooded areas of a park ... which may or may not be 'managed' ... and are
combined with 'grassland' and other natural or managed landcover. We can
define landuse=park, but that park can have a lot of detail contained
within it ... We are looking to render blocks of trees, grass, and other
objects how ever created?

A botanic Garden contains lots of different plants, including grass for the
ones I have been to.
Mapping each individual plant with its species and genus ... no thanks.
I did map one tree though, just to be inconsistent. :)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-11-02 11:49 GMT+02:00 Lester Caine wrote:
>> P.S. And all I wanted was to talk about topology rules... BTW: here is
>> an example of topology rules in Lithuania:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Lithuania/Topology_rules
>
> <...> In your rules #2 and #5 seem to be at odds?

  Landuse=forest is a real forest. These polygons are used to say
calculate total percentage of forests in a region and they and only
they are used for small scale maps. And natural=wood is NOT used in
forest percentage calculation, they are skipped from small scale maps
together with other micromapping stuff like sidewalks alongside the
reoads, treerows etc. Rule #5 was introduced for the specific purpose
to help filtering out "residential forests" from the map and
calculations.

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2017-11-02 11:24 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis wrote:
> The current situation is not helping in producing useful maps. Too
> often I find myself in a residential area with large gardens and trees
> when I expected to find a real forest based on what OSM is displaying.

  This is exactly why I started the topology rules topic. What we're
doing in Lithuania is we have to separate types: general forest, and
forest inside residential, commercial, industrial zones. The later one
is usually just a small number of trees in an area which is marked as
say residential zone in official maps. The later one can easily be
skipped in a map and result would not have "holes".

  So even if we're using two tags in Lithuania, I'm fine with choosing
one tag for all forests/woods/trees/whatever and then if someone
needs/wants - they could add subtags for details.

  Introducing even new tags seems impossible (and impractical) because
absolute majority of mappers just want to tag "forest/wood". And they
don't care about the details, so they will not tag it. And I do not
know maps which would somehow use such data, especially when such
detailed data would only be filled by a few, so it will not be filled
in a large enough regions to do any reasonable analysis.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

On 02/11/17 09:13, Tomas Straupis wrote:
>> IMHO there are semantic implications in the key, as has been said many
>> times, <...>
> 
>   And that is subjective -> nobody is wrong -> everybody is right ->
> everybody thinks THEIR proposal is the right one -> this topic is not
> settled for so many years -> I suggest doing a compromise and agreeing
> on ONE tag.
>   (Compromise is currently done on rendering/data extraction side.
> Nobody cares there about natural/landuse/landcover whatever. It's one
> forest and that is it)
> 
>   The only other way is to use de facto situation - natural=wood and
> landuse=forest - and forget this discussion.

In terms of topology, the idea from some that 'landuse' only applies to
land that is 'used' for something implies that large areas of the planet
are 'unused'? A single layer of areas defining the current 'landcover'
should be something that is managed even if that includes 'wood-managed'
and 'wood-unmanaged'. The current historic situation has never been
right but then so have other long-standing compromises in tagging.

> P.S. And all I wanted was to talk about topology rules... BTW: here is
> an example of topology rules in Lithuania:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Lithuania/Topology_rules

In terms of the UK, Land Use and Land Cover is well defined with a set
of clear classifications
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-land-use-database-land-use-and-land-cover-classification
except they are not really THAT clear. In your rules #2 and #5 seem to
be at odds? and in the UK classifications, just how do you define the
wooded areas of a park ... which may or may not be 'managed' ... and are
combined with 'grassland' and other natural or managed landcover. We can
define landuse=park, but that park can have a lot of detail contained
within it ... We are looking to render blocks of trees, grass, and other
objects how ever created?

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2017-11-02 10:24 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis :

>
> I like the landcover=trees idea, but this does not describe the
> complete picture. I also want t be able to indicate what is between
> the trees: ground, grass, grassy plants, bushes.
> And when is something landcover=trees + bushes and when
> landcover=bushes + some trees ?



+1, some ideas:

1. this could be mapped as "surface" with the disadvantage that "surface"
values are typically detailed, so it would impose the burden of doing
detailed mapping on the mapper

2. a new tag (e.g. "ground_cover") to say how area near the ground is made.
This tag would have more generalized values than what we find in "surface".

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2017-11-02 10:13 GMT+01:00 Tomas Straupis :

> this topic is not
> settled for so many years -> I suggest doing a compromise and agreeing
> on ONE tag.



ONE tag to say what? You are still owing an answer to this.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-11-02 Thread Marc Gemis

The current situation is not helping in producing useful maps. Too
often I find myself in a residential area with large gardens and trees
when I expected to find a real forest based on what OSM is displaying.

So there is room for improvement.

I like the landcover=trees idea, but this does not describe the
complete picture. I also want t be able to indicate what is between
the trees: ground, grass, grassy plants, bushes.
And when is something landcover=trees + bushes and when
landcover=bushes + some trees ?

m.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:13 AM, Tomas Straupis  wrote:
>> IMHO there are semantic implications in the key, as has been said many
>> times, <...>
>
>   And that is subjective -> nobody is wrong -> everybody is right ->
> everybody thinks THEIR proposal is the right one -> this topic is not
> settled for so many years -> I suggest doing a compromise and agreeing
> on ONE tag.
>   (Compromise is currently done on rendering/data extraction side.
> Nobody cares there about natural/landuse/landcover whatever. It's one
> forest and that is it)
>
>   The only other way is to use de facto situation - natural=wood and
> landuse=forest - and forget this discussion.
>
> P.S. And all I wanted was to talk about topology rules... BTW: here is
> an example of topology rules in Lithuania:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Lithuania/Topology_rules
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Import Civici Valle d'Aosta

2017-11-02 Thread Andrea Musuruane

2017-11-01 18:18 GMT+01:00 Andrea Musuruane :

> 2017-11-01 18:03 GMT+01:00 Volker Schmidt :
>
>> Hai chiesto all'utente CUSPC ?
>>
>
> Non ancora. Speravo che qualche valdostano in lista ne sapesse di più.
>

Ho scritto all'utente ieri sera. Attendo risposta.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

> IMHO there are semantic implications in the key, as has been said many
> times, <...>

  And that is subjective -> nobody is wrong -> everybody is right ->
everybody thinks THEIR proposal is the right one -> this topic is not
settled for so many years -> I suggest doing a compromise and agreeing
on ONE tag.
  (Compromise is currently done on rendering/data extraction side.
Nobody cares there about natural/landuse/landcover whatever. It's one
forest and that is it)

  The only other way is to use de facto situation - natural=wood and
landuse=forest - and forget this discussion.

P.S. And all I wanted was to talk about topology rules... BTW: here is
an example of topology rules in Lithuania:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Lithuania/Topology_rules

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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-11-02 8:14 GMT+01:00 Tomas Straupis :

> Currently according to taginfo the most popular are:
> natural=wood 4,5M
> landuse=forest 3,5M
> others are way behind. for example landcover=trees - 11000 objects...
>
> So maybe there is a point to choose one of the two popular tags and be
> done with it?
>
>

IMHO there are semantic implications in the key, as has been said many
times, "landuse" is about the human use of land. "natural=wood" reads as
"is a wood". Many trees don't grow in a wood but along streets, in small
groups that aren't woods, in gardens, etc. The main reason natural=wood
4,5M and landuse=forest 3,5M are used much more than any other tag is
existing rendering rules in OSM carto and presets. As this topic is popping
up frequently since at least 10 years, I guess there is some problem with
the established tagging, hence looking at the naked numbers doesn't bring
us further. If you look at the actual objects that have these tags, you'll
find that many are neither "wood"s nor "forest"s according to any
definition. They are simply groups of trees or areas covered with trees. A
forest and also a wood are more than just trees, they are also implying an
ecosystem, microclima, etc.


> If anybody wants more detail - subtags could be used: wood=xxx or
> forest=xxx depending on which one is chosen? Editors would remove
> other tags from presets, changes will be done in the database and then
> rendering and data extraction could be simplified.
>


what is the "thing" you want to tag with the tag to be chosen (what are the
basic characteristics, that are implied by the main tag)? Trees growing
there? A forest?

There's also still the problem with names: typically any bigger forest with
a name has smaller parts with their own names, which again have smaller
parts with their own names, etc.
It doesn't (IMHO) make sense to have nested same value landuses. The
solution could be either "natural" objects or place objects (or yet another
new key).
In any bigger (named) forest you will also typically find areas which are
by common interpretation part of the forest (e.g. clearings, lakes) but
aren't actually tree covered (again an argument against landcover).

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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

2017-11-02 Thread Andrea Musuruane

Ciao,

2017-11-02 7:40 GMT+01:00 Aury88 :

> @ML it: visto comunque che stiamo parlando di un elemento estremamente
> importante della mappa, usato in un po' tutto il mondo con più di 200'000
> elementi mappati con l'uno o l'altro tag e sui quali sospetto si siano
> ormai
> sviluppati progetti anche trattanti temi abbastanza critici (se non lo è
> l'accesso all'acqua non so cosa lo sia), sarebbe secondo me meglio parlarne
> nella ML apposita, tanto più se si afferma che quello che c'è scritto sul
> OSMwiki-en, quindi abbastanza "ufficiale" e visibile, non è stato frutto di
> una discussione e proporrebbe uno stile errato o non aggiornato. my two
> cents
>

+1

Ciao,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

What was the reason NOT to use vector tiles?
As that would solve most of the problems discussed in this thread.

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Re: [Talk-GB] The OSM UK map - signed walking routes



On 11/02/17 03:31, Andrew Black wrote:


 My request. Signed walking routes such as
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6084014



There's logic in the style that has been forked to handle those:

https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=17=51.424012=-0.06819

There's obviously a discussion to be had about which ones and at what 
zoom level, but the capability is there.


Can i ask about context. Are we talking abou a layer or a website that 
could potentially have optional overlays. If the latter could routes 
be such an overlay. I appreciate they ate not everyones taste.


That's something that I'd thought about (entirely separately to this 
project).  The tricky bit with overlays is that you won't get any 
collision avoidance between layers, and as route names tend to be quite 
long that's likely to be an issue.  You might be able to get away with a 
large enough "halo" around the route text - the best way to find out is 
to try it and see.


Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

Currently according to taginfo the most popular are:
natural=wood 4,5M
landuse=forest 3,5M
others are way behind. for example landcover=trees - 11000 objects...

So maybe there is a point to choose one of the two popular tags and be
done with it?

If anybody wants more detail - subtags could be used: wood=xxx or
forest=xxx depending on which one is chosen? Editors would remove
other tags from presets, changes will be done in the database and then
rendering and data extraction could be simplified.

Because none of the discussed options is wrong, it leads nowhere (and
it has led nowhere for the last 10 years).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

2017-11-02 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev


On 01.11.17 19:15, Elena ``of Valhalla'' wrote:

On 2017-11-01 at 14:28:12 +0100, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote:

There is a code for the Lingua Latina (Latin language) in the ISO 639-1,
which is used at the OSM. It is "la" [1]. It is an ancient language so
modern political controversies would not be reflected on it.
[...]

This is the point where I believe that most people (me incuded) don't
agree: latin has ancient origins, but is still alive precisely because
it has remained in use up to modern times in a very specific part of the
world.

It may be a good neutral language between speakers of e.g. French and
German, but once you get outside of Europe + nations mostly inhabited by
europeans it's definitely not neutral, but the (scientific) language of
the old imperialist powers.

It is also much easier to understand for the speaker of some languages,
but utterly foreign to anybody from a culture where the common langage
of science was e.g. a variant of chinese or classical arabic, as those
two languages are to us europeans.

I can think of one language among the ones that I know of that would be
ancient and free from modern political controversies: ancient Sumerian,
which is really dead, a language isolate (and thus equally difficult for
everybody) and written in its own system (so that nobody is advantaged
here either). Of course, these precise reasons make it quite an
impractical choice for osm.


These are good valid points. I do not argue about it. However, as Andy 
wrote earlier, we often have to switch to other layers or maps, i.e. the 
default OSM layer is not usable on the global scale.


Using the Latin language for additional names is a practical compromise. 
The Latin alphabet is de facto readable to many people. At the same time 
it would be safer for volunteers all over the world as there are no 
standing military entities which use the Latin language.


In a way we are doing a disservice to those cultures since the major 
online map, the OSM, is not readable for their lands. On one hand, it is 
very good that only local alphabets are being used, but on the other 
hand we kind of lock them on the map in the ethnic enclaves.


Besides, if one does not want that there is a name in the Latin alphabet 
in addition to the name in local alphabet, - just do not add name:la=* 
tag . By the way, for many towns and cities the name in Latin coincides 
with the name in English, for example the city of Odessa [1].


Certainly, the Status quo bias [2] works against this idea too, but it 
is doable, and there will be no drastic changes on the map since the 
name in Latin would be added gradually.


[1] https://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odessa

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo_bias

Best regards,

Oleksiy



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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests


On 02-Nov-17 05:42 PM, Daniel Koć wrote:

W dniu 02.11.2017 o 07:14, Warin pisze:

On 02-Nov-17 02:31 PM, Stephane Goldstein wrote:


Do you have any other words that smean tree planting, growing
and then harvesting?? And don't mean anything else?
The closest I have is 'forestry'.


landuse=forestry is a good option as well.


I'd like one word that includes harvesting of the trees as well.


Currently there's quite popular tag for such activity:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dlogging


That only applies when logging is taking place.. and it is taken for 
'shrubs'.
It would be temporary  - not something I would tag. It would be like 
tagging a farm at the time of harvest of a crop .. say landuse=harvest 
and then having to change it back a week or so later to landuse=farm. 
Not something I woulod advise as it is too temporary.



I'd like one plain word that means;

An area where trees are grown for harvesting of products for human use. 
It would encompass planting, growing, thinning, clear felling, selective 
felling (and other things I have not thought of to do with harvesting of 
trees).



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Re: [OSM-talk] Woods vs Forests

2017-11-02 Thread Daniel Koć


W dniu 02.11.2017 o 07:14, Warin pisze:

On 02-Nov-17 02:31 PM, Stephane Goldstein wrote:


Do you have any other words that smean tree planting, growing and
then harvesting?? And don't mean anything else?
The closest I have is 'forestry'.


landuse=forestry is a good option as well.


I'd like one word that includes harvesting of the trees as well.


Currently there's quite popular tag for such activity:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dlogging

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Re: [Talk-it] Nasoni a Roma, sottotipi fontanelle in generale

2017-11-02 Thread Aury88

dieterdreist wrote
> per me, ne "name" (che non è un nome individuale) ne artwork_type (che non
> le vedo "arte") sarebbe pertinenti, ma fossi in te non rimuoverei niente
> in
> massa, casomai, inizia una discussione locale e provvedete insieme.
> D'altro
> canto parliamo di 16 istanze di artwork_type, quindi potresti scrivere
> all'autore agli autori.
> +1 per fountain=toret (dopo che lo usate, mettetelo pure nel wiki).

ho contattato quello che credo essere il principale se non l'unico mappatore
delle fontanelle toret. lui si è detto d'accordo ad applicare il nuovo stile
da adesso in poi. 

@Fra Mauro-2 nel merito dell'utilizzo del tag fountain piuttosto che
drinking_water_type dico solo che capisco la logica che sta dietro
l'eventuale scelta di drinking_water_type, ma questo tag mi sembrerebbe
riferirsi alla tipologia di acqua erogata piuttosto che alla tipologia di
erogatore (quindi come un sottotag di water_type=drinking_water)...fountain
potrebbe non essere perfetto ma almeno si capisce che stiamo parlando di un
qualcosa di artificiale e da cui esce acqua.

@ML it: visto comunque che stiamo parlando di un elemento estremamente
importante della mappa, usato in un po' tutto il mondo con più di 200'000
elementi mappati con l'uno o l'altro tag e sui quali sospetto si siano ormai
sviluppati progetti anche trattanti temi abbastanza critici (se non lo è
l'accesso all'acqua non so cosa lo sia), sarebbe secondo me meglio parlarne
nella ML apposita, tanto più se si afferma che quello che c'è scritto sul
OSMwiki-en, quindi abbastanza "ufficiale" e visibile, non è stato frutto di
una discussione e proporrebbe uno stile errato o non aggiornato. my two
cents 



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