Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] The OSM licence: where we are, where we're going
Frederik Ramm wrote: > > And I say this again, if I saw that a majority of OSM contributers > thinks that the copyleft aspect is important, then I'd not have this > discussion. It is just that it seems to me that there are very few > people who hold up the CC banner. And most of these, after some > thinking, silently retract their banner when I ask them how they'd > combine OSM data with a GNU FDL source and what the result should be > licensed under... Since that mainly concerns wikipedia, do you still get the same response now wikipedia have announce their intention to be CC compatible? This strikes me as a problem with the FDL, not with our license, and I'm not aware of the FDL having much importance for material we might want to merge with ours apart from that case. I'm also slightly surprised you think the number of supporters of (the intention behind) CC-BY-SA is so small. Like you said, I guess a poll would be good - but when the actual alternatives have firmed up more, as the geodata blog describes. Cheers Graham > > Bye > Frederik > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM needs a measure for completeness
80n wrote: > > In a sense I'm already doing this. The very last thing I do when I've > completed an area is to add landuse=residential (only where appropriate, > of course). I could easily add complete=level-n to this landuse boundary. > Surely completeness is relative to purpose? I have areas where all roads between settlements are filled in but not the settlements, other urban areas where all roads are filled in and named, others where all roads and footpaths are complete. I haven't yet done any areas which have complete traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, turn restrictions, bus routes, administrative boundaries, or navigational information for waterways. The possible purposes are pretty orthogonal - rather than a set of numbered completeness, you'd need to allow multiple 'complete_for=purpose' tags. And if you attach that to landuse boundaries, what do you do in large urban areas where it's all residential? Graham > 80n > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk> > > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Underground lines on the london map
OJW wrote: > It's a bit distracting seeing underground train lines overlaid on the [EMAIL > PROTECTED] map > of London (especially when taking screenshots to use as the base for other > maps) -- anyone think they could be removed, and have a separate layer for > train/metro connections? (like steve's map of london underground) That would really mess up all the bits where they pop up from undergound and take up physical space above ground. I guess you could stop rendering them where they are on layer -1, but that's not the same as a separate layer.. Graham > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Parking symbols: YUCK!
In my case I have mapped many private parking areas (inside schools, industrial estates, or explicitly marked 'private') as 'parking'. I really don't want a parking sign to show on them as it makes them look available to the public, rather than just a use of land. I realise I should have marked them 'access restricted', but I didn't - and even if I do now they will still be rendered with a parking sign... Graham ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Parking symbols: YUCK!
Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: > I expect that someone with PostGIS knowledge can construct a query to > quickly identify all the parking nodes inside parking areas and produce > a list. I'm sure that many of us could write a perl or python script to > take this list and delete or relate the nodes. > If anyone does this, it would be helpful to add access=public to all parking areas which have a node before deleting the node. I guess that would be ok for everyone else's too? Graham ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Continuous audio in JOSM on tracks without waypoints
80n wrote: > > BTW I just had a very successful experiment this morning using a > modified kitchen sponge > http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50923335/Kitchen_Sponge_Scourers.jpg as a > windshield for my bluetooth headset :) Ah, but we wanted the photo of you wearing it while explaining yourself to casual passers-by ;-) Graham > > 80n > > > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 12:00 PM, David Earl <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > I've fixed the following that 80n reported (will be in tomorrow's JOSM > build): > > 1. Hang on trying to play audio > > It was indeed playing at a marker off the end of the sound track that > was the cause. It now tells you this instead of hanging. > > 2. Open WAV file dialogs don't remember their directory > > They do now. Note this is independent of other open file dialogs. > > 3. Short cut keys > > |< F5, << F6, >> F7, >| F8, >. . as before > > 4. Toggle icons but not the audio play head > > Right menu on layer, "Show/Hide Text/Icons" (2nd entry). > > [I usurped the previous "Show/Hide Text" for this, as previously button > marker layers didn't have text anyway, so the action was previously > redundant for such layers. It does leave the tiny X that a plain > waypoint marker uses to mark the point, but I'm sure this won't get in > the way. (One special case of general marker waypoints with icons will > be affected by this: if it is a problem for anyone let me know and I'll > make the behaviour optional. I don't actually know how you can produce > such a layer).] > > David > > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] islands in the Thames
I notice all the islands in the Thames below Hampton Court have stopped being rendered (osmarender and mapnik). I haven't been following the coastline/island threads so am not sure what the reason is likely to be - is there any obvious reason why they aren't being shown any more? Thanks Graham ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] vandalism or 'where is cuba?'
I know it seems unlikely, but I guess there is no proof that it is not an accident rather than deliberate vandalism? Graham micha ruh wrote: > Hi OSM, > > just after I finished traceing the coastline of the port of Havanna, > Cuba i noticed oddly looking > clusters of untagged nodes in the city. humm.. Nodes placed at > intersections looks reasonable, > but where are the ways? humm.. Time to test the Undo-Feature of potlach: > 'U' is the key to press. > > Result: > Hahaha! Nice! A red coastline appears! [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > It looks like the whole coastline of cuba has been deleted, surely some > streets in Havanna also. > Should I fix it? - No, it certainly gets deleted again. > > > WHAT SHALL WE DO? > > > P.S. For those who don't know where Havanna actually is (or should be): > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=23.13471&lon=-82.36712&zoom=15 > <http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=23.13471&lon=-82.36712&zoom=15> > > > Gruess, > Micha^bass > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Stares
SteveC wrote: > Has anyone else noticed the number of stares going up? I had about 5 > in my hour or so of mapping. I waved at 3 of them and got one wave back. No, but I'm definitely noticing an increase in the number of agressive dogs :-( Graham > > SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] London Emissions Zone
Thomas Wood wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Ray Booysen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Has anyone started this zone? Or have the information around it? >> >> Cheers >> Ray >> > > No, and to my knowledge, the Congestion Charging Zone is also unmapped. > I was pondering a tagging method a couple of months ago, but came to > nothing substantial. > Also the SOCPA exclusion zone. I wasn't sure how to tag that, either (though I can think of several suitably silly access= possibilities) http://www.met.police.uk/publicorder/images/Section_132_7_boundary.jpg Graham > The best method of tagging would probably be a polygon (or series of > ways making up a large polygon as with boundaries at the moment) > denoting the border of the 'restricted zone' along with a relation > which contains any exceptions to the restriction. Eg: the A22 into > Purley for the LEZ or the road (don't know which offhand) running > through the centre of the Congestion Charging zone. > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] how to tag travellers camps?
Does anyone have any ideas for tagging traveller's camps? There are quite a few round my way, long-term caravan sites with hard surfaces, AFAIK all gypsy and not open to random caravanners. landuse = travellers_camp? Or 'gypsy site'? I'm trying not to fall between lack of political correctness and something that will be misunderstood in any language but english.. Graham ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Need some Brentford (London) vectors!
Hi Christian, Brentford isn't fully mapped - especially the area in walking distance just north and west of the Watermans. How about include an osm mapping sub-event in your day? Not as original as your other mapping projects, and not an alternative to them, but as an extra... Alternatively if that's really not possible I could have a mapping burst on Brentford this weekend before you render it... Cheers Graham Christian Nold wrote: > Hi all, > > I need some help from someone with more tech skills than me! > > I am working on a large community project called the Brentford Biopsy > www.publicbiopsy.net > > What I would love is if someone could grab me about 6km diameter of > OSM data as some kind of vector data format that I could work with in > Illustrator. > I have tried to use Osmarender many times in the past and always > failed after spending hours on it :( > The centre point for the data I need is TW8 0DS > > Can anyone help??? Please pretty please! > > best > Christian Nold > > Mobile: 0044(0)7946640395 > Skype:crowdcompiler > > www.softhook.com > www.biomapping.net > www.emotionmap.net > www.stockport.emotionmap.net > www.sf.biomapping.net > > Feel free to join my mailing list on the www.softhook.com website > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik: amenity=bus_station
Steve Hill wrote: > How are people tagging bus stops? I have been setting tagging nodes that > are members of the way, which means they are part of the road they are on. > Is this the right way to do it? It seems right since it unambiguously > shows which road the stop is on, but it doesn't allow any indication as to > which side of the road the stop is on. > I've been doing the opposite, and have only recently realised that your way is the way I was supposed to do it.. I have mapped quite a few bus stops where the bus stop is on a pedestrian island and I want to show not only 'side of road' but also a fairly exact physical position. I'd be reluctant to give that up to plonk all my bus stops in the middle of the road... I wonder if anyone has done any counts of how many stops in the db are points in ways, and how many are points beside ways? Graham > - Steve > xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ > > Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] basic relations
Hi I haven't begun using relations yet; I just decided to start doing so and have confused myself about a very basic use case. Can some one tell me what tags they they might[1] use to state that a group of non-contiguous buildings belong to a particular university or hospital? Thanks Graham [1] I understand that usages like this really haven't settled down yet, all I'm looking for is something that sounds logical and is in keeping with the general spirit of relations, I realise I may have to edit it later. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] GIS in the public sector
Anyone with some money to burn going to this? I imagine just walking around with an osm t-shirt would probably generate quite a bit of interest... Graham +++GIS in the Public Sector: 14 May 2008, Central London - Two Weeks To Go - Countdown To EU's INSPIRE Directive - Speakers from LGA, IDeA, Defra http://www.headstar-events.com/gis08/ . The European Union's INSPIRE Directive, which paves the way for all geospatial data to be shared by public bodies across the EU, is set to come into full force in the UK in May 2009, but the countdown begins now. The directive is the focus for Headstar's fourth annual conference and exhibition on Geographical Information Systems (GIS) in the Public Sector, supported by the Association for Geographical Information (AGI), on 14 May 2008 in central London. Plenary speakers will include representatives from the Local Government Association; the Improvement and Development Agency (IDeA); and the Department for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra). Our event promises to be essential day for anyone involved in the collection, management or use of geospatial data, from policymakers looking at statistics across a region to those charged with putting user-friendly map content onto a website. Places cost 295 Pounds plus VAT for public sector and 395 plus VAT for private sector. Register today at: http://www.headstar-events.com/gis08/ -- Sponsor me from London to Brighton on http://www.justgiving.com/grahamseaman ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Medical centres, clinics, doctors and dentists
For the UK we should also flag which PCT (Primary Care Trust) each
clinic etc is in. Is is_in appropriate for organizational membership?
Graham
Andrew Chadwick (mailing lists) wrote:
> Chris Hill wrote:
>> Clinic can apply to other medical folks, such as chiropodists and
>> physiotherapists too.
>
> And physical rehabilitation, dementia care, psychiatric counseling...
> the list might be quite a long one.
>
> I'm coming round to the opinion that the different kinds of surgeries
> are all just really kinds of what's being proposed in the rather
> stronger Clinic_(Medical) proposal. But it is probably wise to
> distinguish a dentist from a chiropodist somehow if they might be the
> only ones occupying their respective buildings.
>
> I think we should merge everything into Clinic_(Medical), either before
> it gets accepted or after. Make that mean anything from a huge
> polyclinic covering many disciplines to small doctors' surgeries and
> dental practices.
>
> So how to distinguish one sort of treatment or care from another?
> Perhaps a merged proposal for "small to medium medical facilities"
> should be something like:
>
>amenity=clinic
>medical=
>emergency=yes|no
>
> where is a semicolon-separated list of values from
> {dentist, doctor, chiropodist, physiotherapy, minor_surgery, ...}.
>
> Opticians in the UK are more like high-street shops than medical
> facilities. It would feel strange to call an optician a clinic too, even
> if the upstairs consulting rooms are all separate and have something of
> the doctor's surgery nature. Hmm.
>
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[OSM-talk] last person to edit?
Hi, Sorry, I've obviously not been reading all my osm mail.. Now we don't have the last editors name displayed in osmarender any more, what's the quick way to find the last person to edit some data (in particular, if you see some obvious mistakes introduced while browsing the map) Thanks Graham ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] last person to edit?
Thanks Shaun Simple when you know how. Odd though - I just corrected some roads someone had dragged off by a few hundred metres; the history shows me creating the roads 6 months ago and correcting them this evening, but nothing in between. Is there any kind of edit it doesn't show? Graham Shaun McDonald wrote: > Hi Graham, > > Try using the data layer on the OpenStreetMap web site. Click the little > + on the top right of the map, and then check the data layer option. You > can then click on the way/node to find the information that you require, > including the full history. > > Shaun > > graham wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Sorry, I've obviously not been reading all my osm mail.. Now we don't >> have the last editors name displayed in osmarender any more, what's >> the quick way to find the last person to edit some data (in >> particular, if you see some obvious mistakes introduced while browsing >> the map) >> >> Thanks >> Graham >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] last person to edit?
Henry Loenwind wrote: > graham wrote: > >> and correcting them this evening, but nothing in between. Is there any >> kind of edit it doesn't show? > > Maybe someone moved the nodes? That wouldn't show up in the way's history... Yes, they'd just dragged some nodes around rather randomly OK, so I'll never know who.. guess just someone trying out potlach Graham > > cu > Henry > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] last person to edit?
Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > So in this case the nodes appear to have been moved with JOSM or > similar, which means the OP need not worry about the quality of the > edit - as any fule kno, bad edits are only ever made with Potlatch > (talk-de archives refer). As OP, apologies for perpetuating this bad meme... Graham > > cheers > Richard > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Administrative boundaries (UK)
Bob Hawkins wrote: > > I wonder from where most people obtain their administrative boundaries > to digitise for OSM? In my council the council puts its name and the old parish name (no longer existing formally) on street signs. Elsewhere you're stuck with common knowledge (eg the boundary goes along the river) or out of copyright maps with a lot of double checking on historical changes (abolition/merging of areas etc - where that hasn't happened boundaries seem to stay pretty stable). Graham The most prevalent source is Ordnance Survey, but > that current data is copyrighted, of course. I am particularly > interested in civil parish boundaries, then in local authority > boundaries to build up areas of interest and coverage. Can anyone help? > > With regards, > > Bob Hawkins > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] lanes
Hi, I want to start adding bus lanes and cycle lanes. Lots of them only run on one side of the road. I'm not clear from the wiki how to do this; is there a good reference page I've missed? Or a clear example? Thanks marinheiro ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] lanes
Gervase Markham wrote: > LeedsTracker wrote: >> As Shaun says, the unresolved issue of lane handed-ness seems to be >> blocking this lane issue. > > This is anothe occasion where a generic :left/:right proposal would be > useful... > I had missed that thread till now. But it doesn't seem to have come to any usable conclusion. I have two problems with the left/right solution (neither original): - Say I have a bus lane (or cycle lane) running along one side of a two-way road (the most common situation where I am). Just attaching a 'left' tag to it makes it dependent on nobody ever reversing the arbitrary direction attached to the way. I quite often find I'm reversing sections of bidirectional ways (eg to join two of them); if anyone ever did that with a way with 'lane:left' style tags the lane would suddenly flip to the wrong side of the road. - More serious, I think: it just feels quite arbitrary as a solution: I would have to tag a lane as being 'left' in relation to the random direction the arrows on the way happen to be pointing, rather than in relation to anything in the real world. Unfortunately the only suggestions I can come up with are pretty lame, but maybe they might trigger better ideas in someone else: 1. draw ways as multiple parallel lanes. Maybe all two-way roads should be represented as two parallel ways in opposite directions? I'm sure everyone would love the work involved in that ;-). 2. have an 'origin' tag to be used on the first node of a way independent of direction; if the way direction flipped, the origin would stay in place. 'Left' or 'right' would be in relation to the origin node. Still completely arbitrary where the origin goes, and how do you find it on a long way? 3. Make more of a separation between internal representation of ways and user views in josm/potlatch. All ways have a direction which is independent of the 'arrowed' direction which can be displayed to users, and is fixed - a totally arbitrary value used only as a fixed reference. Consider all bidirectional ways 'as if' they were two ways orientated in reference to the hidden direction. When a user selects 'add a lane to a way' (or bus-stop or any other 'sided' feature) josm/potlatch switch to a two-way representation of the way; the user clicks on the particular one of the two he/she wants to add the lane to. Internally this could be named 'left' or 'right' lane; but the user would never see the words 'left' or 'right' or need to explicitly tag the sidedness of the lane. Dumps all the work onto developers and makes it hard for end-users to fix things that go wrong since the inner workings have become invisible :-( As far as bus lanes go, it looks like the easiest thing to do is use 'busway' with exactly the same tags as cycleway. So once the sidedness problems are resolved for cycleways busways will be fine too. In the meantime I guess I'll hold off and start mapping historic buildings instead ;-) Graham > > > Gerv > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] IEEE paper on OSM
Erik Johansson wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:12 AM, Andy Allan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The last quote is by far the best :-) >> > > That would be "Nobody want to map council estates" which isn't the > villas of the filthy rich which was my first thought. Before Steve's council estate theorem gets totally established as a meme, it isn't universally true. I'd been happily mapping council estates in some detail (including named blocks etc) but feel quite resentful at mapping roads labelled 'private' with big gates on to keep out the plebs at all. In fact in the beginning I deliberately wasn't mapping them, till I found the holes they left confusing... Graham > > /Erik > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate
Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Isn't the point of a gate that you can open it? > > i.e. traffic is allowed through, but for routing purposes there's a > time penalty. > > Certainly there are oodles of "gated roads" in rural Britain where > this applies - there's one on my stretch of NCN. :) > There's quite a few round my area on residential streets designed to let the emergency services pass, but permanently closed otherwise. I've just mapped them as 'highway=gate' for now, thinking of them as physical objects.. I hope any change to 'barrier=gate' doesn't automatically imply additional semantics. Graham ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Openstreetmap iPhone app
John McKerrell wrote: > > > I should've mentioned the other day that my iFreeThePostcode app is now > live on the app store, you can see it here (opens in > iTunes) http://icanhaz.com/freepost... <http://icanhaz.com/freepostcodes> > > It's had quite a few downloads so far but I've yet to hear from Dominic > Hargreaves whether there's also been a worthwhile increase in submissions. What's the current state of iphone apps? Having released it through the app store, can you also release the source or is there still an NDA that stops you? And is it possible to put it in cydia as well as the app store? (I'd like to gradually stop using the app store and only use free apps via cydia, though that's not too practical yet) Graham > > John > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
80n wrote: > In my case I've run out of stuff to map. Can someone build some more > roads please? ;) Surrey is finished??!! Congratulations, I missed that! I've just realised - I have a house to let in a beautiful largely unmapped part of Italy and was wondering where to find customers. Now I know ;-) Graham > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: > > The latest charts are now online [1] and they show that the number of > contributors has dropped in the last couple of months. The number of new > users signing up each day hasn't changed much. > > Is it the northern hemisphere winter kicking in? > Has the credit crunch or fuel prices made a difference? > Students returning to studies? > > If anyone out there who was contributing in the summer and has now > stopped > could share the reasons I might help shed some light. > > Cheers > > Andy > > [1] > "http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stats#Database_Statistics_-_Graphical"; > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org <mailto:talk@openstreetmap.org> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: > > Rutland of course still needs a lot of the rural highways and bridleways > adding but is otherwise in good shape from the previous mapping party. > Oh my sister lives in a village up there if I can take the bike up with me at Christmas I can have a look around.. Lots of hills to go up and down after flat London. And I know some of the bridleways already.. Graham > Probably next up will be Cheshire which Chris Morley, Richard Bullock and > others have been steadily knocking off. > > Cheers > > Andy > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: > graham wrote: >> Sent: 01 December 2008 4:07 PM >> To: osm >> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone? >> >> >> I've just realised - I have a house to let in a beautiful largely >> unmapped part of Italy and was wondering where to find customers. Now I >> know ;-) > > What part? How Big? Is it available for a mapping party :-) > http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=42.45526825544973&lon=13.927090173991406&zoom=17&layers=BF000F The area is Abruzzo. Penne (my town) itself is 'done' - except that a lot is guesswork as the streets are too narrow to get a good signal and you have to do it from odd points. None of the other small towns in the area are even started. We've just about done the 'A' roads but lots of the others are undone. For the rest of Abruzzo: one person has done Pescara (the capital, on the coast) and one Montesilvano, which joins on to it. One person is doing Lanciano further south, and one just started on L'Aquila (the other big town), but all the other towns the same size as Penne (eg. Chieti, Citta Sant Angelo, Atri) are still to do. There's another person in osm with a house to let near Teramo (also not mapped), about 40km north of Penne but the road between is so wiggly it makes me feel ill.. It's a very hilly area, you need to be fit if you're cycling (and I don't have a bike there) - but loads of little kids go shooting up the hills, cycling is a big sport in the area. Obviously it's flatter near the coast; the mountain has a huge plateau on top with trails and horse trekking routes - not in winter though. There is a lot of scope for walking mapping round small old towns, and for driving mapping round country roads. My place has one double-bedroom, one with two single beds, one living room with sofa bed, two bathrooms. For a mapping party I'd have to cover my (fairly minimal) costs but have convinced my missis we could do it without charging otherwise, as long as it isn't in the really peak season. There is an english lady in Penne who runs a B&B and does walking tours - she is grumbling about the lack of available printed maps to give her customers, and I was hoping to get round to doing a contour map and experimenting with putting one of her walking routes on it. She might be very amenable to letting her B&B (actually a floor in an old palazzo) be used if she knew she might be getting something like that back from it.. Cheers Graham > Cheers > > Andy > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] getting ewms to work?
Hi, I use josm for my editing but hadn't used it for a while - in particular, the yahoo imagery with the wms plugin. So I rather dumbly thought I should upgrade the wms plugin before I started, without checking if that was ok. Now I find it is no longer using firefox, but webkit. I'm really unclear about how to set it up to work, and the wiki page is pretty minimal. It recommends installing gnome-web-photo, for which there isn't a stable version for my computer (running gentoo). Same with webkit-gtk. Does anyone have the new version running on gentoo? Talk me through it? (off-list, I guess). Alternatively, is there a copy of the old plugin I can revert to anywhere? Thanks Graham ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] ./
Anyone else tried installing gps mission (see the slashdot article)? It gives me 'This application is not compatible with this iphone' when I try it. Or maybe it's just apple experimenting with messing up jailbroken iphones again? Graham Hugh Barnes wrote: > Hi > > I shouldn't really post in the beginning-to-middle of my festive > intoxication, but it appears Slashdot has a new article relevant to OSM. > Loving the separate wording: > > "Smooth Open Street Maps For the IPhone" => > http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/24/2324235 > > Cheers > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone?
Following on from this, I have finally put up a wiki page for a potential international mapping party in Abruzzo, Italy. It's at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Penne_mapping_party If anyone is interested, please suggest a date on the page! Cheers Graham Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) wrote: > graham wrote: >> Sent: 01 December 2008 4:07 PM >> To: osm >> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Where have all the contributors gone? >> >> >> I've just realised - I have a house to let in a beautiful largely >> unmapped part of Italy and was wondering where to find customers. Now I >> know ;-) > > What part? How Big? Is it available for a mapping party :-) > > Cheers > > Andy > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] It's all too fast...
Andy Allan wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Gervase Markham wrote: >> The GPLv3 public revision process was 18 months in multiple phases, and >> it was based on an existing licence. We are trying to analyse a >> completely new and untested one and get it to a final version in 1 month. > > We've been talking about the ODbL for a lng time now, way more > than 18 months. It's not completely new. The previous draft was dated > April 2008. If you're new to the discussions, then welcome, but don't > make like the ODbL has never been seen before and that we're trying to > do everything in 1 month. > No, it's absolutely too fast. It's been discussed for a long time - but nearly entirely behind closed doors, with almost nothing concrete to see about progress on the legal mailing list (I'm not a subscriber, but have kept looking at the archives to check on what's happening - which most of the time has seemed to be 'Jordan's looking at it'). Gervase is entirely right. I feel steamrollered, and don't appreciate it. The process seems designed to exaggerate a tendency to 'them and us' rather than community. Please go with Gervase's suggested timetable instead. And build in some extra process for including results of discussion by non-english-speaking countries. Graham > Cheers, > Andy > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: It's all too fast...
Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > > I really don't want to get into a long discussion about the licence, > but what I'm really missing is a rationale document, going through > each paragraph explaining why it says what it says. Because there are > things in there that I don't understand why they're there. Me too. > > As an aside, Can we get something into the user accounts that allows > people to tick a box saying they agree to some kind of licence change. > ISTM the easiest way to finish the discussion about deleted data is to > get some actual figures as to how much of a problem it is. If it turns > out 99.8% of people agree then the question becomes moot. > I don't think this will necessarily help, as it doesn't give you the reasons people might not agree. In my case, I feel I am being told 'agree to this new license which we haven't fully explained by this deadline or we will delete your data'. If that really is the case, I would not agree to the change - not because I think it is a bad license, which I don't know, but because I don't like the process. Graham > Have a nice day, ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM license change: A license to kill? -> How to make a nightmare come true!
Richard Fairhurst wrote: > I know it's not always easy but we're none of us great at communication, > we're none of us actually paid to think that carefully about what we write, > so it's all too easy to get wound up in a http://xkcd.com/386/ kind of way. > At which point Steve does something between amused and sarcastic, Frederik > does deadpan, I do flying off the handle, Etienne does inscrutable, someone > on talk-de will do BAN POTLATCH!!1!1?lol, etc. etc. Yes, but unfortunately the result is that various threads which were at least discussing/explaining (however confusedly) substantive issues seem to have been hijacked into an attack/defend SteveC thread, which I suspect doesn't interest many people. I really want a better understanding of the licenses and their consequences in terms which a non-lawyer can understand and convey to other people. It doesn't help telling me 'this is magic stuff only a lawyer could understand'. For example, the Italian list is discussing the license in a way which I think shows it's really not understood, but I'm not sure enough of my own understanding to try to explain - maybe they are right and I'm wrong (this centres on the nature of the relationship between the database and factual licenses). The best way I can see to get the explanation at the moment is by listening to substantive discussions on this list. Longer term, I think it would be extremely helpful if the licenses themselves included an explanation for non-lawyers, in the way the gpl always did. Graham ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] License to kill
Frederik Ramm wrote: > I believe the Foundation intends to give a vote *only* to those who were > members in good standing as of January 23rd so your few days had better > be 40-ish if you want to have a say in the matter. How do I find out if I'm a member in good standing? Is it possible to check the register of members? I paid for membership - once, quite a long time ago - and have never received any subsequent request for "subscription and other sum (if any) which shall be due and payable to the Association in respect of my membership" - so I guess I've probably been dropped from the list. Is that the way it works? No reminders, and silently dropped? Or do you stay a member as long as you haven't been asked for another subscription, terminating at death? That would seem to be the implication of the 'general' section in the articles of association. Either way, it does seem like a lost opportunity for some revenue, at the least. Graham ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-legal-talk] License to kill
graham wrote: > > How do I find out if I'm a member in good standing? Just saw the relevant page: http://foundation.openstreetmap.org/membership/ which sounds as though if you don't pay annually, even if not reminded, you're probably dropped. Haven't seen an actual rule to say so though. That page was last updated in 2007 when there were 60 members eligible to vote. Anyone know how many there are now? Graham Is it possible to > check the register of members? I paid for membership - once, quite a > long time ago - and have never received any subsequent request for > "subscription and other sum (if any) which shall be due and payable to > the Association in respect of my membership" - so I guess I've probably > been dropped from the list. Is that the way it works? No reminders, and > silently dropped? Or do you stay a member as long as you haven't been > asked for another subscription, terminating at death? That would seem to > be the implication of the 'general' section in the articles of association. > > Either way, it does seem like a lost opportunity for some revenue, at > the least. > > > Graham > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] mapping libraries
Hi
I have a requirement to provide maps for libraries (buildings with
books, not software libraries..), needing to be able to zoom in to shelf
level. I wondered about leveraging the osm tools for this, and using an
osm mapserver to provide the maps. Possible or mad? Has anyone ever done
anything similar - internal maps for any types of building? ('open
corridor map' maybe ;-)
Graham
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Re: [OSM-talk] mapping libraries
Richard Weait wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 29 Nov 2009 5:38:19 pm Graham Seaman wrote:
>>
>>> I have a requirement to provide maps for libraries (buildings with
>>> books, not software libraries..), needing to be able to zoom in to shelf
>>> level. I wondered about leveraging the osm tools for this, and using an
>>> osm mapserver to provide the maps. Possible or mad? Has anyone ever done
>>> anything similar - internal maps for any types of building? ('open
>>> corridor map' maybe ;-)
>>>
>>>
>> no big deal - zoom level of 22-24 should handle it - although you cannot use
>> a
>> GPS instrument, a measuring tape would do the trick.
>>
>
> You will have to decide how to address multi-floor libraries, as OSM
> does not currently handle this well. OpenLibraryMap sounds like fun.
>
Yes, it's the kind of issue that makes me wonder whether osm is overkill
for this. My first library has 3 floors (the next has mezzanines too..).
I started a wiki page to think about this kind of thing. It's at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenLibraryMap
Any comments welcome - I don't know enough yet to know if this is going
to be remotely practical.
There's another related wiki page live at:
http://www.mashedlibrary.com/wiki/index.php?title=Mapping_the_library
Cheers
Graham
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSMF: The people you are going to hand over your OSM data ...
80n wrote: > > > Yes, one of the major consequences is that OSMF gets to change the license. > > If the value of OSM data ever gets very near the value of map data owned by > companies like Navteq and Teleatlas then OSMF becomes a very tempting > target. The safeguards that have been put in place (a vote of the OSMF > membership and recent contributors) would be very easy to circumvent. > This is the aspect of the whole thing I find most worrying too: this signover of rights to a centralised body makes external attack much more possible. Is it really necessary for the OSMF to have both functions (management and rights ownership)? For example, I would be happier signing over any rights I personally hold to the FSF, which has a much longer track record of being unassailable, with the FSF required to relinquish all responsibility to the OSMF as long as the data is kept free. An attack on the OSMF would then become much less likely, being pointless. Graham > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Hi-vis vest with OpenStreetMap Logo & "Surveyor" Text
Hi folks, I'm in the process of getting a custom high-visibility safety vest printed for myself, for OSM surveying work, as I do most of my surveying on-foot and sometimes find myself near busy roads, etc. It's also a great way to raise the profile of OSM, whilst offering a real health and safety advantage for both pedestrian and bike surveyors. These high-visibility orange vests can be warn over the top of your normal clothing, so are suitable for all types of weather conditions. If you're wondering what these vests are, see the following link (you've no doubt seen highway maintenance crews, or airport ground crews wearing these): http://www.worksafedepot.co.uk/img/prod_img/hivis/vest.jpg I'm wondering if anybody else might be interested in purchasing one of these with a custom OSM print on the back? I'm trying to gauge the level of interest before I think about submitting a bulk order for printing. The following are URLs to jpegs of a mock-up of the design I've come up with (showing the back of the vest), based on the OSM logo: http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/mockup.jpg http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/mockup2.jpg Depending on numbers, the vests are likely to sell for around £9.00 each + P&P (P&P will probably be a few pounds for the UK, maybe more to Europe/rest of world). I will donate any profit made after covering my expenses, back to OSM. The price is likely to come down if I can get sufficient numbers of interested purchasers to reach price-break points for printing. If you are interested in purchasing one of these printed hi-vis vests, could you please e-mail me at "osm at sonicresolutions.com" and include "Vest" in the subject line. In your e-mail, please state the size and quantity of vests you would be interested in purchasing, and your country if you're outside the UK (so I can get together accurate postage costs). Available sizes are: Small 33-38 Medium 38-41 Large 41-44 X Large 44-47 XX Large 47-50 XXX Large 50-54 Large 54-56 At this stage I'm just trying to gauge interest and your e-mail to me will of course *not* commit you to purchase. Once I've got a list of interested parties, if the numbers are sufficient, I'll e-mail everyone individually with the final costings and payment will probably be via PayPal. I won't call for payment until I've actually got the vests in front of me, ready to dispatch. Any questions, please feel free to drop me an e-mail. Kind regards, Graham Smith ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hi-vis vest with OpenStreetMap Logo & "Surveyor" Text
Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: Graham Smith Sent: 02 May 2008 4:50 PM To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: [OSM-talk] Hi-vis vest with OpenStreetMap Logo & "Surveyor" Text Hi folks, I'm in the process of getting a custom high-visibility safety vest printed for myself, for OSM surveying work, as I do most of my surveying on-foot and sometimes find myself near busy roads, etc. I had the same request out to the mailing list a couple of months ago and got quite a big response from various around the world. I just haven't had time to co-ordinate getting a batch printed up. Would be keen to share the workload if you are interested in doing something on this. The original thread is at: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2008-February/023770.html Cheers Andy Sorry Andy, I didn't realise you had already kicked something off in this respect! I'll see what the response is like for the design I've put forward. I might not have any choice but to share the workload depending on how things go! :) :) I take it you're based in the UK too? Cheers, Graham ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hi-vis vest with OpenStreetMap Logo & "Surveyor" Text
Cheers Steve, I'll add you to the list. Could you e-mail me off-list with the size/quantity you are after (and I'm assuming you're UK based too). Thanks to all those who have already responded directly to me too. Kind regards, Graham SteveC wrote: > just give me a bank account and the amount to transfer and I'm in > > On 2 May 2008, at 17:59, Graham Smith wrote: > >> Andy Robinson (blackadder) wrote: >>> >>> Graham Smith >>> >>>> Sent: 02 May 2008 4:50 PM >>>> To: talk@openstreetmap.org >>>> Subject: [OSM-talk] Hi-vis vest with OpenStreetMap Logo & >>>> "Surveyor" Text >>>> >>>> Hi folks, >>>> >>>> I'm in the process of getting a custom high-visibility safety vest >>>> printed for myself, for OSM surveying work, as I do most of my >>>> surveying >>>> on-foot and sometimes find myself near busy roads, etc. >>>> >>> I had the same request out to the mailing list a couple of months >>> ago and >>> got quite a big response from various around the world. I just >>> haven't had >>> time to co-ordinate getting a batch printed up. Would be keen to >>> share the >>> workload if you are interested in doing something on this. The original >>> thread is at: >>> >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2008-February/023770.html >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Andy >>> >> Sorry Andy, I didn't realise you had already kicked something off in >> this respect! >> >> I'll see what the response is like for the design I've put forward. >> I might not have any choice but to share the workload depending on >> how things go! :) :) I take it you're based in the UK too? >> >> Cheers, >> Graham >> >> >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > > Best > > Steve > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hi-vis vest with OpenStreetMap Logo & "Surveyor" Text
Just as a bit more info, I meant to add that these vests are fully certified to EN471, class 2 standards and have double 5cm HiVis reflective banding. Also, the sizes I have quoted below are chest sizes in inches. I have also corrected a typographic error in the original mockup pictures, whereby I had the address of the OSM website as a .com rather than a .org domain (thanks to Andy for picking up on this). The mockups and the graphic have been corrected accordingly. Cheers, Graham Graham Smith wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm in the process of getting a custom high-visibility safety vest > printed for myself, for OSM surveying work, as I do most of my surveying > on-foot and sometimes find myself near busy roads, etc. It's also a > great way to raise the profile of OSM, whilst offering a real health and > safety advantage for both pedestrian and bike surveyors. These > high-visibility orange vests can be warn over the top of your normal > clothing, so are suitable for all types of weather conditions. If > you're wondering what these vests are, see the following link (you've no > doubt seen highway maintenance crews, or airport ground crews wearing > these): > > http://www.worksafedepot.co.uk/img/prod_img/hivis/vest.jpg > > I'm wondering if anybody else might be interested in purchasing one of > these with a custom OSM print on the back? I'm trying to gauge the level > of interest before I think about submitting a bulk order for printing. > The following are URLs to jpegs of a mock-up of the design I've come up > with (showing the back of the vest), based on the OSM logo: > > http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/mockup.jpg > http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/mockup2.jpg > > Depending on numbers, the vests are likely to sell for around £9.00 each > + P&P (P&P will probably be a few pounds for the UK, maybe more to > Europe/rest of world). I will donate any profit made after covering my > expenses, back to OSM. The price is likely to come down if I can get > sufficient numbers of interested purchasers to reach price-break points > for printing. > > If you are interested in purchasing one of these printed hi-vis vests, > could you please e-mail me at "osm at sonicresolutions.com" and include > "Vest" in the subject line. In your e-mail, please state the size and > quantity of vests you would be interested in purchasing, and your > country if you're outside the UK (so I can get together accurate postage > costs). Available sizes are: > > Small 33-38 > Medium 38-41 > Large 41-44 > X Large 44-47 > XX Large 47-50 > XXX Large 50-54 > Large 54-56 > > At this stage I'm just trying to gauge interest and your e-mail to me > will of course *not* commit you to purchase. Once I've got a list of > interested parties, if the numbers are sufficient, I'll e-mail everyone > individually with the final costings and payment will probably be via > PayPal. I won't call for payment until I've actually got the vests in > front of me, ready to dispatch. > > Any questions, please feel free to drop me an e-mail. > > Kind regards, > Graham Smith > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hi-vis vest with OpenStreetMap Logo & "Surveyor" Text - Printing Underway
Hi again Folk, Many thanks to all those that have contacted me about purchasing the custom OSM printed/logo'ed Hi-Vis Vests. I'm please to announce that the order has now been placed with the printer and hopefully I'll have the printed vests sometime in the next 5 - 7 working days. When they arrive, I'll be in touch directly with all those who have responded to me, to finalise the orders and organise dispatch, etc. In the meantime, for those who maybe missed the first email, I have ordered the following spares, which are still available if you're interested: 1 x Small Size 3 x Medium Size 3 x Large Size 3 x XL Size 1 x XXL Size The final price of the vests will be £8.50 and this includes the logo printed on both the back of the vest (as per the below mock-ups), but also on the front lapel. As previously indicated, postage should be circa £2 within the UK (Royal Mail), with overseas shipping prices dependent on destination. If you have not yet been in touch and wish to reserve one of the above spares, please contact me directly at "osm at sonicresolutions.com". Once these spares are gone, that's it for the time being (unless we can get together enough pre-orders for another run). Kind regards, Graham Graham Smith wrote: Just as a bit more info, I meant to add that these vests are fully certified to EN471, class 2 standards and have double 5cm HiVis reflective banding. Also, the sizes I have quoted below are chest sizes in inches. I have also corrected a typographic error in the original mockup pictures, whereby I had the address of the OSM website as a .com rather than a .org domain (thanks to Andy for picking up on this). The mockups and the graphic have been corrected accordingly. Cheers, Graham Graham Smith wrote: Hi folks, I'm in the process of getting a custom high-visibility safety vest printed for myself, for OSM surveying work, as I do most of my surveying on-foot and sometimes find myself near busy roads, etc. It's also a great way to raise the profile of OSM, whilst offering a real health and safety advantage for both pedestrian and bike surveyors. These high-visibility orange vests can be warn over the top of your normal clothing, so are suitable for all types of weather conditions. If you're wondering what these vests are, see the following link (you've no doubt seen highway maintenance crews, or airport ground crews wearing these): http://www.worksafedepot.co.uk/img/prod_img/hivis/vest.jpg I'm wondering if anybody else might be interested in purchasing one of these with a custom OSM print on the back? I'm trying to gauge the level of interest before I think about submitting a bulk order for printing. The following are URLs to jpegs of a mock-up of the design I've come up with (showing the back of the vest), based on the OSM logo: http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/mockup.jpg http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/mockup2.jpg Depending on numbers, the vests are likely to sell for around £9.00 each + P&P (P&P will probably be a few pounds for the UK, maybe more to Europe/rest of world). I will donate any profit made after covering my expenses, back to OSM. The price is likely to come down if I can get sufficient numbers of interested purchasers to reach price-break points for printing. If you are interested in purchasing one of these printed hi-vis vests, could you please e-mail me at "osm at sonicresolutions.com" and include "Vest" in the subject line. In your e-mail, please state the size and quantity of vests you would be interested in purchasing, and your country if you're outside the UK (so I can get together accurate postage costs). Available sizes are: Small 33-38 Medium 38-41 Large 41-44 X Large 44-47 XX Large 47-50 XXX Large 50-54 Large 54-56 At this stage I'm just trying to gauge interest and your e-mail to me will of course *not* commit you to purchase. Once I've got a list of interested parties, if the numbers are sufficient, I'll e-mail everyone individually with the final costings and payment will probably be via PayPal. I won't call for payment until I've actually got the vests in front of me, ready to dispatch. Any questions, please feel free to drop me an e-mail. Kind regards, Graham Smith ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Hi-vis vest with OpenStreetMap Logo & "Surveyor" Text
Hi Folks, Thanks again to all those who have contacted me to date, to express interest in the OSM printed/logo'ed Hi-Vis Vests. I'm pleased to report that these are now no longer vapour-ware, as today, the full order arrived at my house. Below are some photos of the finished article, which I have to say, have somewhat exceeded my expectations. The print quality is bold and clear, and the logo has turned out rather nicely. See pics below (no nasty comments about my modelling abilities please!) :) :) http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/IMG_6327.jpg http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/IMG_6328.jpg For those who have already expressed an interest and stated their sizes, etc, I will be sending out proforma invoices within the next 2 days (utilising PayPal), so payment can be completed and I can start to get the vests into the post. Payment can be completed by any major credit card and you don't need a paypal account to complete payment. The proforma invoice will contain postage cost details as well as give you an opportunity to supply your postal address for delivery. If you have contacted me requesting me to reserve a vest, but no longer wish to purchase, please just drop me an email to let me know and ignore the proforma invoice. If anybody is interested in purchasing any of the spares I have in stock, I still have the following quantities for sale: 1 x Small 2 x Medium 2 x XL (if you are after a large, which sold out quickly, you might like to consider the XL's as they are only a few inches bigger) 1 x XXL As indicated previously, the final cost of the vests is £8.50 each + P&P (which I estimate to be around £2 for UK destinations). If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to get in touch at "osm at sonicresolutions.com". Kind regards, Graham Graham Smith wrote: Hi again Folk, Many thanks to all those that have contacted me about purchasing the custom OSM printed/logo'ed Hi-Vis Vests. I'm please to announce that the order has now been placed with the printer and hopefully I'll have the printed vests sometime in the next 5 - 7 working days. When they arrive, I'll be in touch directly with all those who have responded to me, to finalise the orders and organise dispatch, etc. In the meantime, for those who maybe missed the first email, I have ordered the following spares, which are still available if you're interested: 1 x Small Size 3 x Medium Size 3 x Large Size 3 x XL Size 1 x XXL Size The final price of the vests will be £8.50 and this includes the logo printed on both the back of the vest (as per the below mock-ups), but also on the front lapel. As previously indicated, postage should be circa £2 within the UK (Royal Mail), with overseas shipping prices dependent on destination. If you have not yet been in touch and wish to reserve one of the above spares, please contact me directly at "osm at sonicresolutions.com". Once these spares are gone, that's it for the time being (unless we can get together enough pre-orders for another run). Kind regards, Graham Graham Smith wrote: Just as a bit more info, I meant to add that these vests are fully certified to EN471, class 2 standards and have double 5cm HiVis reflective banding. Also, the sizes I have quoted below are chest sizes in inches. I have also corrected a typographic error in the original mockup pictures, whereby I had the address of the OSM website as a .com rather than a .org domain (thanks to Andy for picking up on this). The mockups and the graphic have been corrected accordingly. Cheers, Graham Graham Smith wrote: Hi folks, I'm in the process of getting a custom high-visibility safety vest printed for myself, for OSM surveying work, as I do most of my surveying on-foot and sometimes find myself near busy roads, etc. It's also a great way to raise the profile of OSM, whilst offering a real health and safety advantage for both pedestrian and bike surveyors. These high-visibility orange vests can be warn over the top of your normal clothing, so are suitable for all types of weather conditions. If you're wondering what these vests are, see the following link (you've no doubt seen highway maintenance crews, or airport ground crews wearing these): http://www.worksafedepot.co.uk/img/prod_img/hivis/vest.jpg I'm wondering if anybody else might be interested in purchasing one of these with a custom OSM print on the back? I'm trying to gauge the level of interest before I think about submitting a bulk order for printing. The following are URLs to jpegs of a mock-up of the design I've come up with (showing the back of the vest), based on the OSM logo: http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/mockup.jpg http://www.sonicresolutions.com/osm_vest/mockup2.jpg Depending on numbers, the vests are likely to sell for aro
Re: [OSM-talk] London to Brighton Sponsored Cycle Ride
> This Sunday, four intrepid OSMers will be promoting OSM, and raising money > for the British Heart Foundation, by cycling 54 miles in the annual London > to Brighton bike ride. > Well done guys, all the best from me (donation on its way) and here's hoping those vests keep you safe (and visible) on the road!! :) Cheers, Graham ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] GSoC Projects Announcement
Hi All, [sorry for posting to both dev and talk, but I thought that this may be of wider interest] I am very pleased to announce that the projects selected for this year's Google Summer of Code have been announced. This year OSM received a record 28 good proposal applications for the 6 student places that we were given. This meant that we had some very difficult decisions to make and some students who made very good proposals had to be turned down. Although this will obviously be disappointing for those whose projects have not been selected, I hope that they will be able to contribute to the project in their spare time. I would like to thank all the community members who have helped to review the proposals and choose the 6 projects to be part of this year's programme with OSM - their reviewing of the proposals was essential to helping us make the right choices. The selected OSM projects are: - Anomaly Detection Engine (Velkei Adam Istvan) [Mentored by Derick Rethans] - Improved Support for non-Latin Languates in mapnik (Hermann Krauss) [Mentored by Dane Springmayer] - Improvements to Vespucci (Jan Schejbal) [Mentored by Marcus Wolschon] - OSM Widget Creator ( Aleksandra Milanovic) [Mentored by Kate Chapman] - Tile Data Service (Michael Daines) [Mentored by Darafei Praliaskouski (Komzpa)] - Video Based Speed Limit and Road Sign Detector plugin for JSOM (Nikhil Upadhye) [Mentored By Kai Krueger] We will be asking the students to set up pages on the OSM wiki, and post regular updates to the osm-dev mailing list so you will be able to see how they are getting on. I would like to wish he students and their mentors good look with their projects! Regards Graham. -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMapWidget
Hi Sandra, It is looking good! The location detection works well on my Android Phone, but the 'send by SMS' does not work. The email link option works fine. I have raised an issue on your Github repository ( https://github.com/Sandra-Milanovic/OpenStreetMapWidget/issues ). The other thing that I would find useful is the ability to select which map tile background to use - could this be selectable too? Again I raised an issue for you. Regards Graham. -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Very Happy - Looking forward
Vespucci does look interesting. Does it let you add a way just by walking it? The screenshots suggest you have to walk it then examine the GPS trace and manually draw the way in top of it. Sadly its Android-only - so no good for my iPhone or for Blackberry and WinMo users. The iD project looks like a better base because it is being written in Javascript/HTML5, so potentially could be available on all smartphones + tablets. Anyway, just wanted to add that I actually quite like the idea of Facebook integration. Obviously it's not for everyone and should be very optional. But it would be a great way to raise interest and possibly draw in new mappers. GrahamS On Tue, Jul 24, 2012, at 08:29 AM, Ian Sergeant wrote: On 23 July 2012 18:39, Graham Stewart (GrahamS) <[1]gra...@dalmuti.net> wrote: > > > How great would it be to add details of a way or feature while you are stood > right next to it? I was doing this today, with Vespucci. Ian. References 1. mailto:gra...@dalmuti.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMapWidget
I am having the same trouble with android. Earlier versions worked though so I am sure it can be fixed. Graham On 12 Aug 2012 16:57, "Manfred A. Reiter" wrote: > Hi Aleksandra, > > 2012/8/12 Aleksandra Milanovic : > > @Pavel: > > the idea was to make an extensively simple app for giving your > > location via SMS and email. The advance features are hidden because I > > didn't want to fill up the space with additional buttons. > > The buttons are slightly bigger, because it was more difficult to > > press them on most of the touch phones. > > Thank you for the suggestions. I take them as a serious insight, > > especially from the aspect of small screen smartphones. > > I'll see what I can do to improve the UI elements. > > > > thank you very much for the nice tool. > > For me it works absolutely perfect on a desktop. > No complains about the right mouse-button. ;-) > > On my Android smartphone it doesn't work at all. :-( > ... but I don't know, that I would like to have it on > the smartphone. On the desktop it is a phantastic > tool. Once more thank you. ;-) > > Manfred > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMapWidget
Hi, I have tested it on my desktop computer now, and it is looking very good (I haven't had chance to look at the android problems yet). The ability to move the start point for directions is really useful. I wonder if it could use a little 'help' button that would pop up a dialog with a bit more information for the end user? The dialog could also include a 'please help improve this map' link to the OSM wiki? Thanks Graham. On 11 August 2012 18:25, Aleksandra Milanovic wrote: > Hi guys, > > can you give me an opinion on the latest changes I've made on my GSoC > project (http://sandra-milanovic.github.com/OpenStreetMapWidget/) ? > Additional options are in the right click (longpress for mobile) menu. > If you have some difficulties, please share them with me. > > Thanks, > Sandra > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:43 PM, Claudius wrote: > > Am 19.06.2012 09:06, Matthias Meisser: > > > >> Great idea Sandra, > >> > >> at FF13 there seem to be a little bug, that you can't pan the map, when > >> you try to grab them in the upper area of the map (where the buttons are > >> on the right), as the browser trys to select the buttons. > > > > > > Reason for that is the "width: 80%;" statement in the #toolbar CSS > markup. > > No idea why you actually need to define the toolbar width. Scales well > > without, but I haven't tested cross-browser. > > > > Claudius > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > talk mailing list > > talk@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Survey for people with color vision deficiencies about the street classes in OSM's Mapnik style
Hi Johannes, Thank you for doing this - I look forward to seeing the results. Colour vision is one of my interests, as I have a lot of trouble with distinguishing colours, and I have been meaning to make a service to filter map tiles through a colour vision simulation...but I have never got around to it - have been carrying the research papers up and down the country for the last 6 months, but haven't done anything with them I did produce a FM-100 simulation in java a while back, but yours is much better! I don't know if I missed this subtlety in your examples because of my colour vision problems, but I would have been more inclined to vary the thickness of the casing around the road - it is quite a good indicator of its 'importance', and you can make roads look different without using up more colours - you could stick to nice bold colours (pastel colours are nasty - all look the same!). It is clear from your tests that you have realised that thicker is much easier than thin, but of course the map does not look so nice that way. Regards Graham. -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mapbook v0.02
Hi Stefan, Unfortunately I got distracted and it has not got any further than a prototype. The idea is that there is a web front end to allow you to select the map you would like to be produced (map style, paper size, contours, hill shading etc), and any number of renderer computers will look at it to see if there is a request for them. It will then render the map and up load it to the web server. It is quite similar to maposmatic, but the idea is that there are more facilities to customise the map. I gave up on using fancy libraries like codeigniter/bonfire because it was taking too long to learn, so it is a very simple home made php based web front end. The daemon that runs on the renderer computers is written in python and does the data handling (things like creating contours and hill shading). The code is at https://github.com/jones139/disrend. If there is interest in developing this, I could move it up my list of things to do. Regards Graham. On 6 November 2012 18:46, Stefan Keller wrote: > Hi Graham > > I'm curious: Is it ready now? > > 2012/3/10 Graham Jones : > > Excellent - thanks Paul. > > I have nearly finished a web service that will allow users to select an > area > > and generate a book using your programWill be a week or two before > it is > > ready though > > > > Graham. > > > > > > On 10 March 2012 05:03, Paul Norman wrote: > >> > >> I have completed an overhaul to my mapbook program, making it easier to > >> extend and adding new features. > >> > >> This program, available at https://github.com/pnorman/mapbook, will > create > >> a > >> PDF with a title page, an index map showing the coverage of the book and > >> what page covers what area, then individual map pages, each page having > >> arrows indicating which page is in which direction. It also includes an > >> attribution page. An example for Vancouver, BC is available at > >> http://pnorman.dev.openstreetmap.org/mapbook/vancouver.pdf > >> > >> Mapbook will work with any mapnik .xml style and can generate > >> high-resolution maps that print well > >> > >> Requirements: > >> > >> Python 2.7 > >> Mapnik2 > >> Cairo > >> > >> Most osm mapnik styles will also require a postgis database created with > >> osm2pgsql > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Graham Jones > > Hartlepool, UK. > > > > > > ___ > > talk mailing list > > talk@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Power generation refinement approved
> Reading JOSM's defaultpresets.xml I found a comment about mixed-up > voltage values in the preset. Could someone please tell me the major > voltages in use. > > If someone knows the voltages in use for railways/busses I am > interested, too > I think it varies by country, but I am pretty sure that in the UK the newer parts of the national grid run at 400kV and the older sections at 275kV. The smaller overhead lines that you see on wooden poles are about 11kV. I think overhead lines for railways are ~30kV. Graham. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM for Developers Presentation
Kate, I put together a little explanation of the rendering side of OSM a few years ago: http://www.slideshare.net/jones139/rendering-openstreetmap-data-using-mapnik . It might be out of date now though! Graham. On 21 February 2014 18:38, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > > Hello Kate, > > I gave this talk at a British Computer Society meeting last year: > > http://www.free-map.org.uk/~nick/OSM_0313.odp > > Not hugely in-depth but might be of some use. > > Nick > > -Kate Chapman wrote: - > To: osm > From: Kate Chapman > Date: 21/02/2014 08:00AM > Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM for Developers Presentation > > > Hi All, > > I'm giving a talk this weekend at the Jakarta Python meet-up. I was > wondering if anyone has a good "Intro to OSM for Developers" talk. I'm > putting one together myself, but I'm looking to see what things others > cover. Basically I want to give an overview of resources for > developers, this isn't really a workshop just a 20 minute > presentation. > > Thanks, > > -Kate > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > _______ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tablet, OpenStreetMap, navigator
Yes, I use osmand for android too. Hartlepool, UK (from my phone) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting
if you type "sudo apt-cache search libtiff" it lists all the packages that are available with 'libtiff' in the title. On my system it lists libtiff5-dev, so I would suggest installing that. Regards Graham. On 3 January 2016 at 16:38, Skyler F wrote: > I am attempting a manual build of a tile server on Ubuntu 15.10. I just > did a fresh install of Ubuntu, and will post the results as I go along from > this link: > > https://switch2osm.org/serving-tiles/manually-building-a-tile-server-14-04/ > > So, here is step 1: > >> sudo apt-get install libboost-all-dev subversion git-core tar unzip wget >> bzip2 build-essential autoconf libtool libxml2-dev libgeos-dev libgeos++-dev >> libpq-dev libbz2-dev libproj-dev munin-node munin libprotobuf-c0-dev >> protobuf-c-compiler libfreetype6-dev libpng12-dev libtiff4-dev libicu-dev >> libgdal-dev libcairo-dev libcairomm-1.0-dev apache2 apache2-dev libagg-dev >> liblua5.2-dev ttf-unifont lua5.1 liblua5.1-dev libgeotiff-epsg node-carto >> >> > Here is the Result: > > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Note, selecting 'libprotobuf-c-dev' instead of 'libprotobuf-c0-dev' > Note, selecting 'libcairo2-dev' instead of 'libcairo-dev' > Note, selecting 'liblua5.1-0-dev' instead of 'liblua5.1-dev' > Package libtiff4-dev is not available, but is referred to by another > package. > This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or > is only available from another source > However the following packages replace it: > libtiff5-dev:i386 libtiff5-dev > > E: Package 'libtiff4-dev' has no installation candidate > > I don't want to mess this up on my fresh Ubuntu so I'll wait at every step > until there is a solution. > What should I try, Should I install the replacement package instead? > > Thanks, > Skyler > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Graham Jones <http://google.com/+GrahamJones> Hartlepool, UK. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting
I haven't seen that before - I always use "/etc/init.d/apache2 restart", but i think that is just the old fashioned way of doing what you are doing. I'd look at the bottom of /var/log/apache2/error.log - the messages are often helpful. Graham. On 3 January 2016 at 22:05, Skyler F wrote: > Ok. I finished the apache configuration and am almost done, but when I > typed > service apache2 reload, I got an error > > Job for apache2.service failed because the control process exited with > error code. See "systemctl status apache2.service" and "journalctl -xe" for > details. > > Anything I can try to see what wen't wrong. I have been updating that > google drive file with everything I have done so far. > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Skyler F wrote: > >> Nevermind, I found the link, part of it was on the next line. >> >> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:36 PM, Skyler F >> wrote: >> >>> Ok, I am on the download OSM bright, but there is a 404 error when I get >>> here >>> >>> wget http//www.naturalearthdata.com/download/10m/cultural >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 12:45 PM, Sebastiaan Couwenberg < >>> sebas...@xs4all.nl> wrote: >>> >>>> On 03-01-16 19:58, Skyler F wrote: >>>> > Notice: dependencies not met for plugin 'occi', not building... >>>> > Notice: dependencies not met for plugin 'rasterlite', not building >>>> >>>> librasterlite has been deprecated by its author [0], consequently >>>> rasterlite support has been removed [1] from Mapnik core in 3.0.1. The >>>> osm & occi support were moved out of core in the same release. [2] >>>> >>>> [0] http://www.gaia-gis.it/gaia-sins/ >>>> [1] https://github.com/mapnik/mapnik/issues/2977 >>>> [2] https://github.com/mapnik/mapnik/blob/v3.0.2/CHANGELOG.md#301 >>>> >>>> Kind Regards, >>>> >>>> Bas >>>> >>>> -- >>>> GPG Key ID: 4096R/6750F10AE88D4AF1 >>>> Fingerprint: 8182 DE41 7056 408D 6146 50D1 6750 F10A E88D 4AF1 >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> talk mailing list >>>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Skyler Fennell >>> amsatnet.info >>> KDØWHB >>> electricity...@gmail.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Skyler Fennell >> amsatnet.info >> KDØWHB >> electricity...@gmail.com >> > > > > -- > Skyler Fennell > amsatnet.info > KDØWHB > electricity...@gmail.com > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Graham Jones <http://google.com/+GrahamJones> Hartlepool, UK. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting
I'm a bit out of practice - haven't done much OSM stuff lately, but when you download the OSM mapnik things (to make the mapnik style file), it comes with a program called generate_tiles.py. You give it the bounding box of the area you are interested in, and the mapnik style file, and it creates the set of tiles - you can put these in a location where your web server can get to them and they will be served by apache. I drew a picture of how it all fitted together in a presentation a while ago, because it is quite complicated as you have discovered! http://www.slideshare.net/jones139/rendering-openstreetmap-data-using-mapnik I started a wiki page to describe the different methods of making tiles once http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Creating_your_own_tiles To get going I'd recommend just having a go with the generate_image.py and generate_tiles.py scripts to get something if you are not too interested in updating everything in real time etc. One thing to bear in mind though is that the method of creating the mapnik style file has changed since I used it - the default style is now once called 'carto', but once you have made the xml style file, generate_tiles.py and generate_image.py will work with it. I hope that helps. I'm afraid it is rather late in the uk so I have to go to bed, but if you need anything else drop me a line and I'll reply tomorrow. Regards Graham. On 3 January 2016 at 23:14, Skyler F wrote: > How do you use generate_tiles.py, maybe that would work better. All I want > to do is be able to request tiles in the Colorado area from an application > that needs tiles. > > On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Graham Jones > wrote: > >> I'm afraid I am out of my depth now - I never used renderd - I just >> generated a set of tiles manually using generate_tiles.py once I had got >> the database and mapnik working - hopefully one of the folks that are more >> familiar with renderd will be able to help with that bit. >> Sorry! >> >> Graham. >> >> On 3 January 2016 at 23:02, Skyler F wrote: >> >>> I am getting pretty frustrated. I have been working all day on this, and >>> just can't get it to work. >>> >>> So I type service apache2 reload, and I get Job for apache2.service >>> invalid?! Apache was working fine earlier but now, It won't even open up >>> the apache test page when I type localhost on my system. >>> >>> When I run sudo -u kd0whb renderd -f -c /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf >>> I get a bunch of syntax errors: >>> >>> renderd[5845]: Rendering daemon started >>> renderd[5845]: Initiating reqyest_queue >>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (7): >>> -> ;[renderd01] >>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (14): >>> -> ;[renderd02] >>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (33): >>> -> ;** config options used by mod_tile, but not renderd ** >>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (45): >>> -> ;[style2] >>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (52): >>> -> ;** config options used by mod_tile, but not renderd ** >>> >>> Isn't this symbol a comment " ; " ? >>> Why is it telling me syntax errors for the commented out lines? >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Skyler F >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well here is the error log: >>>> >>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:11.032835 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid >>>> 140426070529920] AH00489: Apache/2.4.12 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming >>>> normal operations >>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:11.032907 2016] [core:notice] [pid 17637:tid >>>> 140426070529920] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' >>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.002678 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid >>>> 140426070529920] AH00493: SIGUSR1 received. Doing graceful restart >>>> AH00558: apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully >>>> qualified domain name, using 127.0.1.1. Set the 'ServerName' directive >>>> globally to suppress this message >>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.005685 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid >>>> 140426070529920] AH00489: Apache/2.4.12 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming >>>> normal operations >>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:16.005693 2016] [core:notice] [pid 17637:tid >>>> 140426070529920] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' >>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:33.559173 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid >>&g
Re: [OSM-talk] Tile Server manual build 15.10 troubleshooting
You will find generate_tiles.py etc. in the subversion folder referenced here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OnDemandTileServer#Mapnik the instructions in that wiki page are: svn co http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/mapnik I don't think subversion is installed by default on ubuntu so you will probably have to do 'sudo apt-get install subversion' for 'svn' to work. On 3 January 2016 at 23:27, Graham Jones wrote: > I'm a bit out of practice - haven't done much OSM stuff lately, but when > you download the OSM mapnik things (to make the mapnik style file), it > comes with a program called generate_tiles.py. You give it the bounding > box of the area you are interested in, and the mapnik style file, and it > creates the set of tiles - you can put these in a location where your web > server can get to them and they will be served by apache. > > I drew a picture of how it all fitted together in a presentation a while > ago, because it is quite complicated as you have discovered! > http://www.slideshare.net/jones139/rendering-openstreetmap-data-using-mapnik > > I started a wiki page to describe the different methods of making tiles > once http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Creating_your_own_tiles > > To get going I'd recommend just having a go with the generate_image.py and > generate_tiles.py scripts to get something if you are not too interested in > updating everything in real time etc. > > One thing to bear in mind though is that the method of creating the mapnik > style file has changed since I used it - the default style is now once > called 'carto', but once you have made the xml style file, > generate_tiles.py and generate_image.py will work with it. > > I hope that helps. I'm afraid it is rather late in the uk so I have to > go to bed, but if you need anything else drop me a line and I'll reply > tomorrow. > > Regards > > > Graham. > > On 3 January 2016 at 23:14, Skyler F wrote: > >> How do you use generate_tiles.py, maybe that would work better. All I >> want to do is be able to request tiles in the Colorado area from an >> application that needs tiles. >> >> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Graham Jones >> wrote: >> >>> I'm afraid I am out of my depth now - I never used renderd - I just >>> generated a set of tiles manually using generate_tiles.py once I had got >>> the database and mapnik working - hopefully one of the folks that are more >>> familiar with renderd will be able to help with that bit. >>> Sorry! >>> >>> Graham. >>> >>> On 3 January 2016 at 23:02, Skyler F wrote: >>> >>>> I am getting pretty frustrated. I have been working all day on this, >>>> and just can't get it to work. >>>> >>>> So I type service apache2 reload, and I get Job for apache2.service >>>> invalid?! Apache was working fine earlier but now, It won't even open up >>>> the apache test page when I type localhost on my system. >>>> >>>> When I run sudo -u kd0whb renderd -f -c /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf >>>> I get a bunch of syntax errors: >>>> >>>> renderd[5845]: Rendering daemon started >>>> renderd[5845]: Initiating reqyest_queue >>>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (7): >>>> -> ;[renderd01] >>>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (14): >>>> -> ;[renderd02] >>>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (33): >>>> -> ;** config options used by mod_tile, but not renderd ** >>>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (45): >>>> -> ;[style2] >>>> iniparser: syntax error in /usr/local/etc/renderd.conf (52): >>>> -> ;** config options used by mod_tile, but not renderd ** >>>> >>>> Isn't this symbol a comment " ; " ? >>>> Why is it telling me syntax errors for the commented out lines? >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Skyler F >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well here is the error log: >>>>> >>>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:11.032835 2016] [mpm_event:notice] [pid 17637:tid >>>>> 140426070529920] AH00489: Apache/2.4.12 (Ubuntu) configured -- resuming >>>>> normal operations >>>>> [Sun Jan 03 10:17:11.032907 2016] [core:notice] [pid 17637:tid >>>>> 140426070529920] AH00094: Command line: '/usr/sbin/apache2' >>>>> [Sun J
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10
Ian, Rajan, I am happy to help coordinate things too. Maybe we should see how many volunteers we get, then have an off-line discussion to agree who will do what? Regards Graham. On 6 February 2010 14:30, Rajan Vaish wrote: > I can help Ian, in whatever way I can. Thanks. > > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Ian Dees wrote: > >> I would be happy to start setting this up, but I haven't had a lot of time >> in the last few months to give on following through with the GSoC 2009 year. >> If someone else is interested, let me know. >> >> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Rajan Vaish wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> With GSoC'10 not very far, quite a number of students are emailing me to >>> know about OSM's participation in GSoC'10 and what they can expect. >>> I haven't noticed any discussion or page regarding the same (sorry if I >>> missed one?) . Looking forward to know/hear more about it, and ways I can >>> contribute. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Rajan >>> GSoC'09 - OSM developer. >>> >>> -- >>> Rajan Vaish >>> ASE at Accenture Technology Labs (R&D) >>> http://LinkedIn.com/in/RajanVaish >>> >>> ___ >>> dev mailing list >>> d...@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Rajan Vaish > ASE at Accenture Technology Labs (R&D) > http://LinkedIn.com/in/RajanVaish > > ___ > dev mailing list > d...@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10
Dane, All offers of help welcome thank you! I have made a start at a wiki page to collate the OSM application to Google Summer of Code, and start to collect project ideas ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2010). Please feel free to add any ideas to that. I haven't been through previous lists of suggestions yet - I think it would be worthwhile to trawl through those and add ones that are still relevant. As to whether it is more useful to get Mapnik registered in its own right or not, I am afraid I do not know - I only got involved late on in last year's GSoC so have no experience of the application process - Maybe Ian Dees or someone with more experience of the GSoC application process can comment? I suppose it depends on two things - (1) how likely mapnik is to be accepted on its own and (2) what 'we' regard as the scope of OSM? Personally I think we should include tools that are used to process OSM data, which would include mapnik, but others may disagree! Regards Graham. On 6 February 2010 18:26, Dane Springmeyer wrote: > I'm interested in helping as well. > > I've started getting organized to have the Mapnik project participate for > the first time: > > http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/GSOC2010 > > But to the extent there is cross-over or it is more useful for me to help > with a project from the OpenStreetMap side, I'm interested in that as well. > > Dane > > On Feb 6, 2010, at 6:38 AM, Graham Jones wrote: > > Ian, Rajan, > I am happy to help coordinate things too. > > Maybe we should see how many volunteers we get, then have an off-line > discussion to agree who will do what? > > Regards > > > Graham. > > On 6 February 2010 14:30, Rajan Vaish wrote: > >> I can help Ian, in whatever way I can. Thanks. >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Ian Dees wrote: >> >>> I would be happy to start setting this up, but I haven't had a lot of >>> time in the last few months to give on following through with the GSoC 2009 >>> year. If someone else is interested, let me know. >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Rajan Vaish wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> With GSoC'10 not very far, quite a number of students are emailing me to >>>> know about OSM's participation in GSoC'10 and what they can expect. >>>> I haven't noticed any discussion or page regarding the same (sorry if I >>>> missed one?) . Looking forward to know/hear more about it, and ways I can >>>> contribute. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Rajan >>>> GSoC'09 - OSM developer. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Rajan Vaish >>>> ASE at Accenture Technology Labs (R&D) >>>> http://LinkedIn.com/in/RajanVaish <http://linkedin.com/in/RajanVaish> >>>> >>>> _______ >>>> dev mailing list >>>> d...@openstreetmap.org >>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Rajan Vaish >> ASE at Accenture Technology Labs (R&D) >> http://LinkedIn.com/in/RajanVaish <http://linkedin.com/in/RajanVaish> >> >> ___ >> dev mailing list >> d...@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev >> >> > > > -- > Dr. Graham Jones > Hartlepool, UK > email: grahamjones...@gmail.com > ___ > dev mailing list > d...@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > > > > ___ > dev mailing list > d...@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10
Hi All, Following Rajan's prompt I have made a start on a wiki page to detail OSM's participation in the 2010 Google Summer of Code ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2010). The page includes a draft proposal for OSM to apply to GSoC when the programme starts, but I think it would be worth us starting on a list of potential projects. I have had a look through previous GSoC pages and the 'Student Projects' wiki page, but I am not sure which are still appropriate, and which have been superseded by other work. Please can you give some thought to potential projects for students and add them to the wiki page? The thing to remember is that the projects need to be pretty well defined and be achievable in a relatively short time period. Feel free to add comments to the proposals so that we get the most useful set of potential projects. This is an opportunity for OSM to get some help with coding, and is a useful learning experience for students, so please give some thought to what you would like to see worked on! Thanks Graham. -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com On 6 February 2010 11:58, Rajan Vaish wrote: > Hi all, > > With GSoC'10 not very far, quite a number of students are emailing me to > know about OSM's participation in GSoC'10 and what they can expect. > I haven't noticed any discussion or page regarding the same (sorry if I > missed one?) . Looking forward to know/hear more about it, and ways I can > contribute. > > Thanks, > Rajan > GSoC'09 - OSM developer. > > -- > Rajan Vaish > ASE at Accenture Technology Labs (R&D) > http://LinkedIn.com/in/RajanVaish > > ___ > dev mailing list > d...@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev > > ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] fwd: Two thirds of mobile users want driving ANDwalking navigation
You are both right. RF absorption is a combination of amount of material and its properties. I think the issue with trains is limited to newer ones with special windows (I think they are conductive - some cars have them too). The combination of shielding from the roof and windows makes it practically impossible to get a fix. I was surprised that I managed to get a fix in a jet aircraft a few months ago - I would have expected this to be a good shield too. Graham On Feb 16, 2010 5:51 PM, "Dave F." wrote: John Smith wrote: > On 17 February 2010 01:40, John F. Eldredge < j...@jfeldredge.com> wrote: > >>... Is this correct? I assumed the reason I had trouble getting reception on board trains because of what their roofs were screened with. I can't believe they'd put much mass up there. Cheers Dave F. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://li... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] OSM front page design concept
As there are two sorts of problems - 'easy fix' ones ("There is a bank
here", "This road is Clifton Road, not Clifton Avenue etc.") and the 'hard'
ones ("this road is also part of NCN Route 17" or "there is a road missing
here"), maybe we need two solutions?
OpenStreetBugs is pretty good for the harder ones, but I think we should
encourage casual users to fix the easy ones.
This would mean providing a simple editor with a very limited feature set,
that concentrates on being easy to use (probably following Microsoft UI
style of single click, double click, right click etc. to make it intuitive
for most users).
I have seen a javascript application to allow users to add POIs (can't
remember the web address though) - I would suggest that we work up a
specification for what a non technical user would need to be able to work on
these simple things and look at producing something similar under the 'Edit'
tab, with an 'Advanced' option that opens Potlatch.
Thoughts?
Graham.
On 21 February 2010 16:04, John Smith wrote:
> On 22 February 2010 01:37, Dave F. wrote:
> > Streetbugs encourages people to 'get others to do it' when OSM should be
> > encouraging them to 'do it yourself'
>
> While it'd be nice if people would fix any problems themselves, I
> don't think OSM's website is at the point where some granny can just
> quickly/easily sign up and tweak a few things, there is simply too
> many alien concepts for most people to grasp quickly and easily. Find
> some random non-technical family member and try and explain it to them
> some time.
>
> In the mean time if they can quickly explain the problem people could
> explain to the person reporting it how to fix it.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?
I have just got an Android phone too and was thinking of doing some work on simplifying the Vespucci user interface (I'm just learning how the UI system works on Android firststill can't get the camera to work properly...). I see the main improvements that would be useful are: - A 'one click' (probably one long click) 'add a node' option that takes you straight to the tag editor, so that you can add POIs easily. - A more general simplification of the UI (haven't thought of the details yet). - (less important) improvements to the map rendering, or possibly using a pre-rendered base image. Generally I think that vespucci is about there as a simple editor, it just needs some UI development. This might be a nice student project for Google Summer of Code? The other Android (or J2ME too) application that I think would be useful would be a 'mapping tool' application - something very simple to record GPS traces and let you take geotagged photos and audio clips with just a single key press - again there are applications that let you do this, but I have not seen any that are very simple to use, and I like very simple! Graham. On 23 February 2010 14:36, Nick Whitelegg wrote: > Firstly thanks for the replies regarding a tile generator using the Mapnik > OSM plugin - looks like there's a little bit of interest so I might start > work on it. > > The other thing I have in mind to do is a POI collector for Android > devices. I seem to remember there being an interest in this before > Christmas when the Mapzen collector for the iPhone was launched - and I've > just got hold of an Android phone (HTC Hero) and fancy having a play. > Would there still be interest in this? What I'll probably do is work on > both apps - time permitting - but prioritise the one which has the most > current interest. > > Thanks, > Nick > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Serious consideration of "Newbie Editor"
I are with keeping the scope very limited - if we start to add too many features you will get Potlatch, which would defeat the object of a very simple, easy to use editor for people that do not understand much about the underlying data structure. I think that Adding POIs and changing labels of existing entities should be enough for most casual users (so people can change the spelling of their street, add a bank etc.). We could then have a nice banner on the bottom of the screen pointing to the descriptions of the other editors that would allow you to add or change geometries. Graham. On 25 February 2010 20:29, Roy Wallace wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Liz wrote: > > > > I would suggest that Potlatch is left alone for its devotees. > > > > I'd start with the following in the design brief for the "Newbie Editor" > > Can add nodes, label them with default tags only (other than name). > > Can add ways, again default tag list only, other than name. > > Very limited deletion ability (no clear idea yet on how to define this). > > I suspect starting at even this level of complexity would cause > feature creep towards Potlatch, anyway...In particular, being able to > add/edit ways requires handling many complex concepts (as others have > brought up), like joining ways, way direction, overlapping ways, etc. > > How about an even bigger step back? If starting a new editor from > scratch is to be worthwhile, surely it should be a LOT more basic than > all other existing editors. i.e. how about only these features: > > 1) Add POI > User specifies: > a) where it is > b) what it is (choose from a single list of options) > c) the name > > 2) Edit Name > e.g. add or fix the name of an existing road - this should help a > lot with noname roads > > > Secondly: can we please decide on the scope of before we talk about > the details of the implementation (flash/javascript/etc)? > > _______ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Serious consideration of "Newbie Editor"
A simple/complex switch in an existing editor is a nice idea. I didn't suggest it because Potlatch is the obvious candidate and I know nothing about Flash programming, so couldn't offer to help do that - I would have a bit more chance with a Java applet, but I am a bit old fashioned like that! Javascript would be the obvious next choice after Flash, but I find it very hard to de-bug and it always feels a bit un-responsive to me, but that may well be the networking rather than the program itself. Graham. On 25 February 2010 21:13, Tim McNamara wrote: > On 26 February 2010 09:47, Graham Jones wrote: >> >> We could then have a nice banner on the bottom of the screen pointing to >> the descriptions of the other editors that would allow you to add or change >> geometries. >> >> > +1 > > I think the app should provide some form of stepping stone functionality > for more advanced tools. > > For future discussion, once scope has been determined: Would it be an idea > to provide a toggle between simple mode & complex mode inside of Potlatch, > rather than build a completely new editor? Potlatch could default to simple > mode to prevent scaring off new contributors, but provide more complex > operations with one click. > > >> Graham. >> >> >> On 25 February 2010 20:29, Roy Wallace wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Liz wrote: >>> > >>> > I would suggest that Potlatch is left alone for its devotees. >>> > >>> > I'd start with the following in the design brief for the "Newbie >>> Editor" >>> > Can add nodes, label them with default tags only (other than name). >>> > Can add ways, again default tag list only, other than name. >>> > Very limited deletion ability (no clear idea yet on how to define >>> this). >>> >>> I suspect starting at even this level of complexity would cause >>> feature creep towards Potlatch, anyway...In particular, being able to >>> add/edit ways requires handling many complex concepts (as others have >>> brought up), like joining ways, way direction, overlapping ways, etc. >>> >>> How about an even bigger step back? If starting a new editor from >>> scratch is to be worthwhile, surely it should be a LOT more basic than >>> all other existing editors. i.e. how about only these features: >>> >>> 1) Add POI >>> User specifies: >>> a) where it is >>> b) what it is (choose from a single list of options) >>> c) the name >>> >>> 2) Edit Name >>> e.g. add or fix the name of an existing road - this should help a >>> lot with noname roads >>> >> -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?
I have decided to have a go at improving the Vespucci User Interface to make mapping using an Android phone easier. I have started a branch of the project (0.7_dev) to hold the new version at http://code.google.com/p/osmeditor4android. There is also an issue ( http://code.google.com/p/osmeditor4android/issues/detail?id=44) where I have put my initial ideas for ways to improve the User Interface. If anyone has any other suggestions, please add comments to that issue and I will have a go at implementing them. Graham. On 23 February 2010 16:22, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: > Just for POI collection there are already 2 or 3 applications > BTC mapper > Vespucci > > Vespucci has nice features but user interface is really complicated to use. > can edit all tags, POI, ways. might be a good idea to improve this project > instead just another POI collector > > > > On 23 Feb 2010, at 6:36 , Nick Whitelegg wrote: > > > Firstly thanks for the replies regarding a tile generator using the > Mapnik > > OSM plugin - looks like there's a little bit of interest so I might start > > work on it. > > > > The other thing I have in mind to do is a POI collector for Android > > devices. I seem to remember there being an interest in this before > > Christmas when the Mapzen collector for the iPhone was launched - and > I've > > just got hold of an Android phone (HTC Hero) and fancy having a play. > > Would there still be interest in this? What I'll probably do is work on > > both apps - time permitting - but prioritise the one which has the most > > current interest. > > > > Thanks, > > Nick > > > > ___ > > talk mailing list > > talk@openstreetmap.org > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Google Summer of Code Projects
Hi There, It will soon be time for OpenStreetMap to apply to join the 2010 Google Summer of Code Programme. This gives students the opportunity to work on open source projects during the summer, for which they receive some payment by Google. It costs us nothing more than providing a Mentor to guide the student. It would be really useful if we could put together a list of potential student projects to get potential applicants thinking. The projects need to be fairly well defined to make it easy to judge 'success', so it is good to have specific targets. >From recent discussions on these lists I have identified the following possibilities so far: - Develop a stand alone 'Newbie'/'Introductory'/'Lite' Editor - the priority is ease of use rather than functionality. - Help with the development of Potlatch 2 (maybe to include the 'lite' editor functionality) - we would need to help the applicants identify specific targets. - Develop a simple 'mapping tool' for mobile phones to *easily* collect GPX traces, geotagged images and geotagged audio clips. Ideally it should be capable of running on both Android, J2ME and Iphones, so you can have the same simple application no matter what sort of phone you use. - Improve the usability of a simple mobile phone map editing application (such as vespucci for android). - Incorporation of OSM data and traffic data. I am sure there are other things that I am not familiar with too - would it be useful for someone to do some work on tools to process OSM data in some way, or are there any tasks on the OSM server itself that could be turned into projects? Please will you give some thought to other possibilities and either add them to the GSoC 2010 Wiki Page ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2010) or reply by email if you prefer. Thanks Graham. -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Serious consideration of "Newbie Editor"
I have added this as a proposed student project for this year's Google Summer of Code (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Project_Ideas_2010). Please feel free to add to the scope of the project. I might leave the choice of platform (Flash, Javascript, Java etc.) as a design choice the student to make it more interesting. Regards Graham. On 28 February 2010 23:07, Randy wrote: > Dave Stubbs wrote: > > >On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Randy > wrote: > >>Dave, > >> > >>Do you have any way to estimate the resource requirements for Potlatch 2, > >>and what they would be if a "simple" switch were added. > >> > > > >Potlatch 2 currently runs on my netbook, and seeing as how I develop > >it on my netbook it should continue to do so :-) My netbook is an > >Atom 1.6GHz 1GB RAM BTW. > > > >The SWF size is about 550KB at the moment, most of which will be the > >flex gui framework and associated bits and pieces, so will be present > >in any flex based flash app. > > > >If you do a break down of where the code is at the moment: > > - about 20 classes for tag editing (the "simple" user stuff) > > - about 10 classes for vector editing > > - about 20 classes for handling OSM objects, and talking to the API 0.6 > > - about 25 classes for rendering data (halcyon) > > > >Simple mode basically takes out the vector editing stuff. > > > >You can obviously make something a lot lighter if you weren't using > >flex. Well, startup bandwidth lighter at least. > > > >Dave > > > >___ > >talk mailing list > >talk@openstreetmap.org > >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > Thanks, Dave. I'm sure others with more experience than I can make a > better independent assessment, but it doesn't look particularly daunting > to me, as far as penalizing the early user. > > Granted, if it's doable (and widely supported), a super simple JS2 editor > might be lighter in startup. But, as someone else mentioned earlier, it's > probably worth some sacrifice to keep the UI between simple and powerful > as similar as possible. > -- > Randy > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?
Andrew, That is a really good summary - you have found some applications that I hadn't heard of - I'll go and try them. I don't know if there is a decent Android page on the wiki, but the info you have collected would be good to go on that. Graham. On 8 March 2010 17:05, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) < andrewc-email-li...@piffle.org> wrote: > (Argh, let's try that again from a subscribed email address) > > Nick Whitelegg wrote: > > > The other thing I have in mind to do is a POI collector for Android > > devices. I seem to remember there being an interest in this before > > Christmas when the Mapzen collector for the iPhone was launched - and > I've > > just got hold of an Android phone (HTC Hero) and fancy having a play. > > Would there still be interest in this? What I'll probably do is work on > > both apps - time permitting - but prioritise the one which has the most > > current interest. > > Other people have mentioned Vespucci and BTC Mapper, which are closer to > what you're probably thinking of. I think they're both incomplete and > buggy though, and release very infrequently for Android 1.5. I tend to > work with GPS export traces and photos, and I've dug around a bit in the > marketplace for stuff that seems to work (for me): mini-reviews: > > > For offline data gathering, I'm using GPS Logger for Android < > http://gpslogger.codeplex.com/ > most right now, which allows text > annotation and produces GPX that plays quite nicely in JOSM. That plus > my Hero's camera app. It's said to be comparatively frugal with battery > use if dialed down to infrequent polling. Under fairly enthusiastic > development and release, good stuff. > > OSM Tracker for Android[tm] < > http://code.google.com/p/osmtracker-android/ > is looking good too, and > gets updates about as often: it's recently grown the ability to make > photo records as well as voice notes, and seems to have some hardcoded > presets. Faintly funky WinMo-esque UI that seems to be improving :) > > I'm hoping that Open GPS Tracker < > http://code.google.com/p/open-gpstracker/ > will show OSM background > layers in a future release: currently it only displays Google Maps maps, > so it's of no use to OSMers. But it behaves very nicely, it's open > source, seems to be updated fairly frequently, and I'd really quite like > to use it for the task of -seeing where I've been- when out mapping. > Looks like a good project to hack on, or at least to vote up wishlist > items you want on :) > > RMaps < http://code.google.com/p/rmaps/ > can show various OSM layers > including the public transport one, but doesn't seem able to cache > downloaded tiles. Open-source. Annoying bug that sometimes crashes the > app when tapping around in the map display. > > Maps(-) (no source URL; think it's just freeware) can cache downloaded > tiles on the SD card for offline use, but can't be worked on publicly > (AFAICT), and has had "ad releases" in the past without any warning, > behaviour which I dislike intensely. > > > > And, erm, that's what I actually use. > > -- > Andrew Chadwick > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Still interest in an Android POI collector?
There is quite a detailed wiki page on Android devices using OSM: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android. I think that all of the applications identified by Andrew are listed, but without his user comments! Graham. On 8 March 2010 21:05, Graham Jones wrote: > Andrew, > That is a really good summary - you have found some applications that I > hadn't heard of - I'll go and try them. > I don't know if there is a decent Android page on the wiki, but the info > you have collected would be good to go on that. > > Graham. > > On 8 March 2010 17:05, Andrew Chadwick (email lists) < > andrewc-email-li...@piffle.org> wrote: > >> (Argh, let's try that again from a subscribed email address) >> >> Nick Whitelegg wrote: >> >> > The other thing I have in mind to do is a POI collector for Android >> > devices. I seem to remember there being an interest in this before >> > Christmas when the Mapzen collector for the iPhone was launched - and >> I've >> > just got hold of an Android phone (HTC Hero) and fancy having a play. >> > Would there still be interest in this? What I'll probably do is work on >> > both apps - time permitting - but prioritise the one which has the most >> > current interest. >> >> Other people have mentioned Vespucci and BTC Mapper, which are closer to >> what you're probably thinking of. I think they're both incomplete and >> buggy though, and release very infrequently for Android 1.5. I tend to >> work with GPS export traces and photos, and I've dug around a bit in the >> marketplace for stuff that seems to work (for me): mini-reviews: >> >> >> For offline data gathering, I'm using GPS Logger for Android < >> http://gpslogger.codeplex.com/ > most right now, which allows text >> annotation and produces GPX that plays quite nicely in JOSM. That plus >> my Hero's camera app. It's said to be comparatively frugal with battery >> use if dialed down to infrequent polling. Under fairly enthusiastic >> development and release, good stuff. >> >> OSM Tracker for Android[tm] < >> http://code.google.com/p/osmtracker-android/ > is looking good too, and >> gets updates about as often: it's recently grown the ability to make >> photo records as well as voice notes, and seems to have some hardcoded >> presets. Faintly funky WinMo-esque UI that seems to be improving :) >> >> I'm hoping that Open GPS Tracker < >> http://code.google.com/p/open-gpstracker/ > will show OSM background >> layers in a future release: currently it only displays Google Maps maps, >> so it's of no use to OSMers. But it behaves very nicely, it's open >> source, seems to be updated fairly frequently, and I'd really quite like >> to use it for the task of -seeing where I've been- when out mapping. >> Looks like a good project to hack on, or at least to vote up wishlist >> items you want on :) >> >> RMaps < http://code.google.com/p/rmaps/ > can show various OSM layers >> including the public transport one, but doesn't seem able to cache >> downloaded tiles. Open-source. Annoying bug that sometimes crashes the >> app when tapping around in the map display. >> >> Maps(-) (no source URL; think it's just freeware) can cache downloaded >> tiles on the SD card for offline use, but can't be worked on publicly >> (AFAICT), and has had "ad releases" in the past without any warning, >> behaviour which I dislike intensely. >> >> >> >> And, erm, that's what I actually use. >> >> -- >> Andrew Chadwick >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > > > -- > Dr. Graham Jones > Hartlepool, UK > email: grahamjones...@gmail.com > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Student Project Ideas?
Hi Folks, We have submitted an application for OSM to participate in this year's Google Summer of Code, so next week the people from Google will be reviewing the application and our project ideas list to chose which organisations to include in the programme. Looking at the project ideas list ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Project_Ideas_2010) I am a bit surprised that there are no suggestions for student projects on the 'core' OSM databases. The things I wondered are: - Are there any areas for development of API version 0.7 that could be turned into a project for someone to work on? - Would it be worth working on the XAPI server? We had trouble last year with them being down, so I wondered if it would be worth developing a more 'conventional' postgresql version of the server that we could start-up easily if the others fail again? I started to look at this at the time, but didn't get far because I got tied up in regular expressions rather than writing a parser myself. - Without wanting to re-open the acrimonious debate again, could we turn development of the OSM web site into a project? (would have to check the GSoC rules for this, because there might not be much 'code' involved). - How about the main editors - JOSM and Potlatch - are there any potential projects there? Please give this a bit of thought, and add any ideas to the Wiki page! If you don't have chance to do that, an email to me will do and I will add it. Thanks Graham. -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Student Project Ideas?
Thank you all for your replies - It is good to see people giving this issue some thought. I also see that the project ideas page has been updated which is excellent! There are some interesting suggestions in the above emails. I'll try to summarise where we are - please correct me if I am wrong. 1. A number of suggestions for additional features for JOSM. (A more visual object history presentation, reversion of specific objects to previous versions and a 'Mapping Anomalies' detection feature). I don't see anyone disagreeing with these ideas, so I will add a 'JOSM Improvements' idea to the wiki and include a pointer back to this thread. 2. A suggestion that the 'newbie editor' proposal should be removed in favour of encouraging students to contribute to existing editors, which are maintained actively. I agree that we should encourage participation in existing projects - please suggest ideas!, but I think that a very simple editor could be achieved as a GSoC project given the very limited scope. It is very true though that what is on the wiki is nowhere near a project specification - I was kind of hoping that the proponents of the idea would pad it out for me! 3. Split some of the more ambitious ideas into manageable tasks - I am all for that! I think that I may be viewing this list slightly differently to some others - I see it as 'ideas' from which potential students can construct a 'proposal', taking account of the time available etc. I see thinking through the proposal to decide what is achievable as an important part of the up-front consideration for the student - They will probably need some steers from people on this list to help them decide on that [see below]. 4. A more 'project management' oriented project where there may be more time spent specifying than coding. We would need to check the rules carefully, but I think you can demonstrate quite easily that for User Interface based projects, the planning, discussing, agreeing part is more important than the coding - putting together a UI is not that hard - putting one together that the average casual user finds intuitive is difficult, so well worth the planning time. 5. An interesting suggestion to improve the 'History' list, which would also help the rendering process - I liked the sound of this as this is one of the few suggestions for projects involving the 'core' of OSM. The reply suggested that this was already being worked on - is the solution actually progressing, or would it be useful to see if a student was interested in looking at it? It is an opportunity to nurture someone to understand the innards of OSM? 6. A suggestion for testing an alternative web based map viewer (presumably against OpenLayers?). This is an interesting idea, but I am struggling to turn it into a 'code' project - or is the 'code' part of it the development of the test suite to fire requests to the different viewer applications? So, thank you all for your efforts - please keep thinking to see if you can come up with anything else, especially in the 'core' parts of OSM. On this I did just try to look for the API 0.7 feature list, but can't find it - is anyone thinking about what the next version of the API will do, or do we think we are about there, and we are actually using 1.0? If there are features to add, then these could be potential projects? A final point (plea?) - I would like to encourage potential students to seek the views of more experienced contributors on their ideas using these lists, as you will be able to make a better judgement of the amount of effort required to do something than they will - please bear this in mind if you see queries from new people, and be constructive in your replies! Thanks Graham. -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Student Project Ideas?
Aevar, The process is that we (OpenStreetMap) produce a list of ideas that students may wish to work on. If the students like the sound of us they will make an application describing a project proposal. Google will (assuming we are successful) allocate us a number of student places - we had 6 last year. The potential mentors will review all of the applications and agree which ones to select - this choice will be based on the quality of the application, but will of course be influenced by the interests of the potential mentors. Once we know that we have been accepted I will be contacting the potential mentors to agree how we will do this. I completely agree that it would be best to encourage students to work on existing active projects, but to do that we need to help them identify aspects of those programs that would benefit from development, so that they can be turned into specific projects - this is why I am keen for people to identify potential improvements to existing programs! It is quite possible that a student will work on GSoC and then go off and do something else, but this is not necessarily the case - one of last year's students is helping with the administration this year. Your point on mentoring effort is interesting - I acted as a mentor last year and fully expected it to be hard work, like training one of our new graduates at work how to write a computer program, which would have been very daunting by email in a foreign language. The complete opposite was the case - the student was very capable and my mentoring did not have to go much further than pointers on the general approach and code design - he did all of the testing to chose methods of parsing, data storage etc. himself. The other thing is what you think mentoring is about - I regard it as a way of contributing by passing my experience onto someone else, so even if you do not hear from the student after the end of the project, you should not regard that as 'no long-term gain' - they will be using that extra experience for something constructive. Regards Graham. You mean specific GSOC ideas? We'll probably have plenty of those. > What I was pointing out that just because something would be neat to > do that doesn't mean that it's appropriate for being handed to a > student for 3 months. > > Once you have those ideas how are you gong to pick one? I for one think: > > * You should try to make students work on existing /active/ projects > instead of sending them off on their own for 3 months > * In particular, assume that they'll be working for 3 months and > we'll never hear from them again. I think there are some numbers on > the % of GSOC students that stay around after the 3 months and IIRC > they're alarmingly low > * Try to recruit people with programming experience who're already > contributing to the project in interesting ways that happen to be > students (and no, I'm not eligible). This will reduce load on mentors > * Don't underestimate the load on mentors. I've heard from people > that did mentoring (albeit for complex projects) that spent more time > on mentoring than it would have taken them to implement the student > work themselves, and the student disappeared after 3 months so there > was no long-term gain from it. > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Student Project Ideas?
Ian, Tom, Thanks for the pointer - I had naively thought it would be linked from the 'API' page and didn't think to search! Would anyone have an issue with me adding the link so I can find it again? It is an interesting list of possibilities isn't it - would anyone that knows more about it than me fancy identifying the likely candidates on the ideas page in case one of the students would like to look at implementing them? Thanks Graham On 10 March 2010 21:35, Ian Dees wrote: > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Tom Hughes wrote: > >> On 10/03/10 21:14, Graham Jones wrote: >> >> > On this I did just try to look for the API 0.7 feature list, but can't >> > find it - is anyone thinking about what the next version of the API will >> > do, or do we think we are about there, and we are actually using 1.0? >> > If there are features to add, then these could be potential projects? >> >> It's in the wiki somewhere but I don't think there's anything very >> useful or helpful there. >> >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.7 > > <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/API_v0.7>As Tom said, it's full of > ideas :). > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10
Mike. Thank you for your suggestion. I do not know where the apache licence ref comes from. This year's application says GPL with a note saying some is PD. Graham On Mar 11, 2010 7:36 AM, "jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com" < jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote: My GSOC suggestion : Get the potlatch running without any Adobe software, use gnash. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GSoC_Project_Ideas_2010#Porting_of_Potlatch_to_use_FLOSS_tools_and_viewer Also why does google list OSM as being apache licensed? http://code.google.com/soc/2008/streetmap/about.html *Preferred license: Apache License, 2.0 Since when? I am putting all my new code under the affero GPL 3.0. * mike On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Rajan Vaish wrote: > > Thanks Graham, > >... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10
Hi, I agree that improving documentation would be a really useful contribution to OSM, but Google are quite explicit that this is outside of the scope of GSoC ( http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#doc_proposals ). A project along the lines of 'context sensitive help in OSM editors' could be a possibility though. I have never worked on one of the main editors, so I have no idea how hard this would be from that point of view. The Artifical Intelligence aspects are quite difficult in themselves though - it would have to try to guess what you would like to do from what you have just done - quite a challenge, but please add it to the list if you can manage to describe it! Regards Graham. On 11 March 2010 10:59, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com < jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote: > lets put it in a different perspective : > > Make the documentation as part of the program! > > I would like to see for example a help system that is integrated to the > wiki, > Click on a tag, have it pull up the wiki entry, be able to add new unknown > tags or rename them. > We could even have an OWL Ontology created with a reasoning engine to > specify rules for tagging. > > Really, the software should be so good that you dont need docs or videos. > > mike > > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: > >> > GSoc >> > student pool is a very talented one - it would be good to use them for >> more >> > critical things. Of course, OSM unlike other projects is basically a >> > collection of tools maintained by various people, so difficult to >> achieve a >> > consensus. >> >> >> >> Having one place of knowhow of mapping is quite critical for project >> like OSM. And believe me, creating good documentation requires quite a >> skill and isn't easiest job in IT world as we would like to see. >> >> Cheers, >> Peter. >> >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10
Mike, I have not the faintest idea what that means, but it sounds impressive! Please add it to the list, but it would be nice to define some of the terms and abbreviations to help the ignorant like me! Thanks Graham. On 11 March 2010 22:39, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com < jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Description : > > Integration of the java swoop ontology editor into JOSM. A JOSM ontology > plugin. > > Work : > > 1. create a live mapping from OSM into RDF , so that the swoop can access > the data in OSM without conversion. > 2. be able to have the changes in the rdf be reflected back into the OSM. > 4. conversion of the wiki into OWL, so that the rules and relations of the > OSM are documented formally. > 5. running of the pellet inference engine and all the other reasoning tools > from swoop to infer new facts and validate the data. > 6. encoding of the rules of the JOSM validator into OWL rules, maybe we > will have to include new derived geometric things like if two ways intersect > and also ways to only process data in a certain radius. > > mike > > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Graham Jones < > grahamjones...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> I agree that improving documentation would be a really useful >> contribution to OSM, but Google are quite explicit that this is outside of >> the scope of GSoC ( >> http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#doc_proposals >> ). >> >> A project along the lines of 'context sensitive help in OSM editors' could >> be a possibility though. I have never worked on one of the main editors, so >> I have no idea how hard this would be from that point of view. The >> Artifical Intelligence aspects are quite difficult in themselves though - it >> would have to try to guess what you would like to do from what you have just >> done - quite a challenge, but please add it to the list if you can manage to >> describe it! >> >> Regards >> >> >> Graham. >> >> >> On 11 March 2010 10:59, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com < >> jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >>> lets put it in a different perspective : >>> >>> Make the documentation as part of the program! >>> >>> I would like to see for example a help system that is integrated to the >>> wiki, >>> Click on a tag, have it pull up the wiki entry, be able to add new >>> unknown tags or rename them. >>> We could even have an OWL Ontology created with a reasoning engine to >>> specify rules for tagging. >>> >>> Really, the software should be so good that you dont need docs or videos. >>> >>> >>> mike >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: >>> >>>> > GSoc >>>> > student pool is a very talented one - it would be good to use them for >>>> more >>>> > critical things. Of course, OSM unlike other projects is basically a >>>> > collection of tools maintained by various people, so difficult to >>>> achieve a >>>> > consensus. >>>> >> >>>> >>>> Having one place of knowhow of mapping is quite critical for project >>>> like OSM. And believe me, creating good documentation requires quite a >>>> skill and isn't easiest job in IT world as we would like to see. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Peter. >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> talk mailing list >>>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Graham Jones >> Hartlepool, UK >> email: grahamjones...@gmail.com >> > > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10
Ian, Sajjad, Thank you for clearing that up while I was away! Emilie - very good challenge - the application windows are very tight on this programme, so reminders are appreciated! I will go and add our own 'timeline' to our wiki page to make it clearer. Thanks Graham. On 16 March 2010 14:44, Ian Dees wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Emilie Laffray > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I don't want to break enthusiasm from anyone but the deadline was the > 12th > > of March, meaning that we are 4 days behind the deadline. Has anyone > > contacted Google for an extension? I don't mind seeing great ideas > discussed > > here, on the contrary, but then, we have to keep in mind that they won't > be > > for a GSOC unless someone contacted Google. > > > > Emilie Laffray > > Emilie, the deadline for our application to GSoC was the 12th, which > Graham filled out and submitted. We did not need to have a full list > of projects and mentors at that time. > > Once we (OpenStreetMap) get accepted into GSoC for 2010 and get > allotted a number of funded students, then we have to decide how to > split that allotment up between the various project proposals from > students. > > In short, no deadlines were missed, it's just that Google's timeline > and forms are confusing. > > _______ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Logo vote
If it is only open to OSMF members (<300?). I would suggest it is easier to do it by email and collate the votes by hand on a spreadsheet the old way. Writing, testing and debating whether it works correctly will be much more effort! Graham On Mar 17, 2010 5:33 PM, "SteveC" wrote: Hi all We've narrowed down the OSMF logo's some time ago and have been waiting for someone to write a voting script so that OSMF members can vote for the winner. But that someone is very busy. Does anyone here want to step up and make it happen? Yours &c. Steve ___ dev mailing list d...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/dev ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] GSoC'10
Hi, That is right - I should have posted something about it to this list too, but I forgot! OSM is one of ~150 organisations that have been accepted onto the programme, along with OSGeo and Mapnik. Between now and 29th March, would be students will choose which of the accepted organisations they are interested in, and contact them to discuss project ideas. I would encourage any students interested in applying to OSM to contact us before applying to discuss their ideas if possible. The formal application period starts on 29th March and ends on 09th April (See the timeline<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2010#Time_Line> ). Students apply through the Google Summer of Code Web Site<http://socghop.appspot.com/>. Please apply formally as early as possible - you can edit your application after submission and we can start reviewing it and make comments if you submit it early. Potential Mentors will review the applications and rank them to choose which proposals are to be accepted. Please would anyone who is interested in acting as a mentor contact me off this list and we will sort out access to the site and discuss how to manage the reviewing of applications. Finally if any of you know a student that likes computer programming, please encourage them to consider applying for the programme, and particularly to OSM!. Thank you all for your support. Graham. On 19 March 2010 12:33, Sajjad Anwar wrote: > Hi! > > So we are in GSoC 2010 Selected Organization list, > http://socghop.appspot.com/gsoc/org/show/google/gsoc2010/osm ! > > > Regards. > -- > Sajjad Anwar | http://geohackers.in | Blog: http://sajjad.in > > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OSM Maps on a Nokia Phone without online updates?
Gpsmid is quite a good solution for phones with java (J2ME). Graham On Mar 24, 2010 5:31 PM, "AssetBurned" wrote: Hi, I tried to figure out the best way to use OSM abroad, with my equipment. I need a way to use downloaded data. So I thought I could use my Symbian S60v3 phone for it. It is a Nokia N82, a good tool for tracking, but to locate yourself?! I found the WhereAmI+ app, but I'm not sure if it's still in developing and I also have problems to get maps on it (the export function doesn't work). I'm not looking for an app that allows me full TomTom like navigation, just the usual "here I am" and "ok there is a street", in combination with a way to track my position in background. I guess that this app is the right one, but if I can't install the maps for another country before I travel it would be totally useless. Does someone have a good idea for an alternative? I was also thinking about buying a Garmin, but the N82 does basically have the same functionality already. Maybe a tool to use Garmin maps on the N82 could be a solution, but I haven't seen such an app. cu AssetBurned ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Automatically adding open wireless access points
I think that public access points are reasonable for the main db. It would be a lot of effort to set up a separate system, and they are only nodes after all. We do include bus routes after all, which would also be candidates for a different db. Graham Graham Jones (from my phone) On Mar 25, 2010 10:53 PM, "Greg Troxel" wrote: It's sometimes a tough call what belongs in the database, but all open access points seems to me not to fit. It certainly seems like a good candidate for a separate database also under a cc license. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Using OSM Maps on a Nokia Phone without online updates?
I think you are right. The map data is stored in a jar file - it can be a different one to the program though. There seem to be two classes of mobile OSM applications - some are like this with static map data. Others use live data, which means you need a network connection to use it. A mixture of the two would be good - it downlods data to a cache when a network is available, and uses the cache when it is not. Does anyone know of an application that works this way? Graham Graham Jones (from my phone) On Mar 26, 2010 3:38 AM, "AssetBurned" wrote: Hi, thanks for the tip! The program works with my Nokia, but it looks like you have to compile the whole program every time if you want to update the map data. o_O Sorry but that makes it totally unusable in this case. I need to have a setup that is also usable by my dad. I can explain him to download a file and use it to replace an old one on a storage card... but if I try to explain him that he has to compile something no way. Maybe that is a cool tool if you want to start a business (as some people did in the Apple-App-Store) to sell OpenStreetMap maps for a phone, or if you have to install the same map data on several phones. But not usable in my case :-/ even if i like the idea to have a search function for POIs, addresses and everything else stored in OSM. cu AssetBurned On 24.03.2010, at 18:45, Graham Jones wrote: > Gpsmid is quite a good solution for phones with java (J2ME). >> >> On Mar 24, 2010 5:31 PM, "AssetBurned" wrote: >> >> I tried to... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Documentation on Editing Relations
Hi, I have always tried to avoid using relations (never really accepted that is better than adding route= tags to ways, and they seem to complicate things quite a lot), but I am trying to tidy up some long distance footpaths that have been done as relations. The concept of relations is fine, but I am really struggling to find the instructions on how to edit them properly without breaking anything - for example: If I know a relation number, how do I load it (I don't mind which editor!) - the bit of countryside I am editing does not include it, so it does not appear in the JOSM relations list, but I have a number from a Wiki page. I have pretty much worked out how to add ways to relations using JOSM's relation editor, but haven't quite worked out how to re-order them, apart from doing it manually - is this possible? Is there a command line way of adding ways to a relation - for example, rather than doing it by clicking on things, I would quite like to do "add ways to relation where route="Pennine Way" or name="Pennine Way". Any pointers would be appreciated. Sorry for being dumb - I must have missed the documentation somewhere? Regards Graham. -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Documentation on Editing Relations
Hi, Thank you all for your help - "Download Object" was the fundamental thing I had missed. I had kind of hoped that you would just point me to the nice new user instruction page on the Wiki that I had not spotted. I'll have a look at improving it, but it is not an insignificant job. How about if we divide the basic documentation into chunks (like a mapping party, but not as good for you), and different people volunteer to update a different aspect to bring it up to date in terms of software, and "custom and practice"? I am happy to co-ordinate, but will struggle to do it all. I think this would be a big help in encouraging wider participation in the project. Could even be a "Project of the Week"? Regards Graham. On 27 March 2010 23:57, Sebastian Klein wrote: > Graham Jones wrote: > > Is there a command line way of adding ways to a relation - for > > example, rather than doing it by clicking on things, I would quite > > like to do "add ways to relation where route="Pennine Way" or > > name="Pennine Way". > > If you have the problem that you cannot download the entire area because > the route is too long, the XAPI can save your day. > > You will need two XAPI requests, one for route=... and one for name=... > Then you can merge the layers in JOSM. > > (Btw. there is an easy way to get the bbox parameters for XAPI requests: > Select the area in the slippy map of the download dialog. Then go to the > second tab and simply copy the list of coordinates...) > > > Any pointers would be appreciated. Sorry for being dumb - I must > > have missed the documentation somewhere? > > Why not write some, when you have mastered the high art of > relations? :) > > __ > > Sebastian > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom
Hi All, I wondered if anyone is using a TomTom SatNav with OpenStreetMap maps? I have a TomTom One with UK maps, and would rather like to put a map of Spain on it... http://www.opentom.org looks like it is a good start, but there does not seem to have been much development recently, and there is no mention of a working replacement navigation program for it. I had kind of hoped that http://www.opensatnav.org would have done it, but that only runs on Android. Can anyone provide me with any pointers please? Thanks Graham. -- Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom
Looks like another good one for next year's Google Summer of Code then.If only I'd thought of these 2 months ago! Unless I run out of nerdy jobs to do next winter and do it myselfIf they have got Gnome/GTK running on the TomTom it shouldn't be too difficult to port a routing app to it - just another job to think about! Graham. On 5 April 2010 20:25, Richard Weait wrote: > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Graham Jones > wrote: > > Hi All, > > I wondered if anyone is using a TomTom SatNav with OpenStreetMap maps? [ > ... ] > > Can anyone provide me with any pointers please? > > +1 from me. > > I get a question at about one in three of the events I attend > regarding TomTom or other oddball GPS devices. My fall back is to > just recommend what I'm using, even with the drawbacks of a > reverse-engineered format. > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Maps on TomTom
John, You (and Stefan) are probably right - making an OSM to TomTom data format converter would probably be more sensible and take less effort. I had hoped that the TomTom code would have had a standard graphics library included so it would be easy to port an existing OSM based router to it, but it will take quite a bit of effort to port a suitable library to it. The difference is, I can see a way through building an application on the device (which could include GPX track logging etc.), but I don't really know where to start decoding a proprietary data format! Maybe someone else knows how to go about de-coding the data format? Regards Graham. On 8 April 2010 12:36, John Smith wrote: > On 8 April 2010 15:15, wrote: > > It looks like the TomTom will not be difficult to write code for. TomTom > > themselves recognise that they have used OpenSource code to develop it, > and > > provide the open source bits of the software (linux kernels, libraries, > and > > compiler) (http://www.tomtom.com/page.php?Page=gpl). > > Wouldn't it be better just working out their data format, like someone > has done with garmin? > > Especially since they may use the same format for other platforms, > than trying to hack the hardware and/or coming up with custom OS > builds... > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Google Summer of Code: Last Orders Please
Hi Folks, A final reminder to anyone intending to apply to Google Summer of Code that you must submit your application *via Google's web site* ( http://socghop.appspot.com) *by 19:00 UTC Today* (Friday 09 April). Regards Graham. -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom paper map templates
Sam, It is probably worth a look at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_on_Paper if you haven't seen it. MapOsMatic <http://www.maposmatic.org> produces very nice output with a street index, but you can not alter the output from the default style. Townguide<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TownGuide>is similar but adds selectable points of interest, but its output resolution is not as high, so the maps do not look as nice. However one of this year's Google Summer of Code projects<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2010/AcceptedProjects>is looking at taking the best aspects of these projects to improve it and add more features. Regards Graham On 13 May 2010 22:53, Sam Vekemans wrote: > Hi all, > I'm just wondering who all is working on making custom map templates? > > Walking-papers.org are great, but is only 1 style. > I'm making Oo Draw files that just have the page layout, and all the > basic map info, (legend, scale, title, directory, copyright line, > border. # markers) > > The Mapgen.pl is for getting the osm map details out into SVG. > So the ideas is that Oo is simpler to use than Inkscape, where simple > 'prntScrn' can be done, where the monitor resolution is greater or > equal to the actual page size. > > The purpose is to be able to print out free maps and give to any place > that will make it available. > > So im looking for/making templates for cyclists passing through town/ > walkers looking for tourist attractions / pub 'inspectors' looking for > pubs. > And many other templates, were its easy to move the legend around > and draw arrows & add in custom place markers. > > Is there a wiki page that organizes this info around? > > Thanks, > Sam > > > -- > Twitter: @Acrosscanada > Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ > http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans > Skype: samvekemans > OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org > @Acrosscanadatrails > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Custom paper map templates
Hi Sam, Sorry, I think I missed the point of your question - I thought you wanted something automatic to save having to move things manually. When I have just wanted a quick map with a few additions I have just used osmarender and inkscape (I actually use the perl version of osmrender because it seems to work more quickly for me). I think I turned the osmarender SVG file into a png 'canvas' to draw on. Can OpenOffice not read the SVG files to let you do the same? Graham. On 14 May 2010 07:09, Sam Vekemans wrote: > Hi thanks, > > On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:10 PM, Graham Jones < > grahamjones...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Sam, >> It is probably worth a look at >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_on_Paper if you haven't seen it. >> >> http://www.ancalime.de/gutau.html > Seems to be a little closer, but it would just need an OpenOffice Draw > file. (so then i can easily move the boxes around), edit icons and change > labels. > This is more of the creative side, where software cant make that happen. > > (the reason why, is that today i passed somone who was looking at a map, > and it 'could' have used OSM, only the city outline was missing, (hopefully > we'll get that in this year), but it was just the page layout that was > different. Many different printable maps can be made with the same basic > layout. > (ie. > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Compass_Rose#compass-rose-basic-thin-letters) > having them all in 1 Oo Draw template file. > > > >> MapOsMatic <http://www.maposmatic.org> produces very nice output with a >> street index, but you can not alter the output from the default style. >> Townguide<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TownGuide>is similar but adds >> selectable points of interest, but its output resolution >> is not as high, so the maps do not look as nice. However one of this year's >> Google Summer of Code >> projects<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2010/AcceptedProjects>is >> looking at taking the best aspects of these projects to improve it and >> add more features. (ie,. >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2010/AcceptedProjects/EasyPrintableMaps) >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenPaperMaps >> > Good luck on those projects, i hope they chose to share what they make :) > >> >> Regards >> >> >> > Cool, That gives me some ideas, and looks like > http://www.ancalime.de/gutau.html is ccBYsa, so that helps too. > Thanks, > Sam > > Graham >> >> On 13 May 2010 22:53, Sam Vekemans wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> I'm just wondering who all is working on making custom map templates? >>> >>> Walking-papers.org are great, but is only 1 style. >>> I'm making Oo Draw files that just have the page layout, and all the >>> basic map info, (legend, scale, title, directory, copyright line, >>> border. # markers) >>> >>> The Mapgen.pl is for getting the osm map details out into SVG. >>> So the ideas is that Oo is simpler to use than Inkscape, where simple >>> 'prntScrn' can be done, where the monitor resolution is greater or >>> equal to the actual page size. >>> >>> The purpose is to be able to print out free maps and give to any place >>> that will make it available. >>> >>> So im looking for/making templates for cyclists passing through town/ >>> walkers looking for tourist attractions / pub 'inspectors' looking for >>> pubs. >>> And many other templates, were its easy to move the legend around >>> and draw arrows & add in custom place markers. >>> >>> Is there a wiki page that organizes this info around? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Sam >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Twitter: @Acrosscanada >>> Blogs: http://acrosscanadatrails.posterous.com/ >>> http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com >>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans >>> Skype: samvekemans >>> OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org >>> @Acrosscanadatrails >>> >>> ___ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Graham Jones >> Hartlepool, UK >> email: grahamjones...@gmail.com >> > > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion to add SA clause to CT section 3, describing "free and open license"
It is true that we had a vote, but I am becoming less convinced that we voted the right way. I voted in favour of the change on the basis that at the superficial level the existing and proposed licences seemed so similar that I could not see what the problem was - ODBL looked so much like CC-BY-SA for data that it did not seem like an issue. I can't even remember if I took much notice of the contributor terms I heard the arguments from a number of people warning of loss of data but made the judgement that individual contributors are unlikely to object to the change, and that the proposers of the new licence must have assured themselves that contributions based on large datasets such as nearmap must be compatible. It sounds to me that that judgement may have been flawed, so I should have taken more care. The way I look at it is that if we will really have to remove large parts of the map of Australia (never mind other parts of the world - I don't think I have seen confirmation that the UK Ordnance Survey OpenData is compatible yet?) then moving to a new licence would be the wrong thing to do. I just do not see the existing situation as being broken enough to be worth the pain - this debate has used up a huge amount of people's time and effort which could have been used on something more constructive. This probably brings us back to where this long email debate started - just how much data do we expect to lose, and what would we consider acceptable? My personal tolerance of loss of data is extremely small (maybe <1%). Once you start to talk about losing of the order 10% or more of a country, I have a lot of sympathy with the contributors in that area talking about forking the project. Regards Graham. On 19 July 2010 19:47, SteveC wrote: > We did have a vote, remember? You just disagree with the outcome an the > remit the OSMF has. > > Steve > > stevecoast.com > > On Jul 19, 2010, at 8:31 PM, 80n <80n...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 7:05 PM, SteveC < > st...@asklater.com> wrote: > >> >> On Jul 19, 2010, at 3:34 PM, John Smith wrote: >> >> > On 19 July 2010 23:19, Frederik Ramm < >> frede...@remote.org> wrote: >> >> And honestly, if at any future time two thirds of active OSM >> contributors >> >> want to change to a non-SA license, why should we keep them from it? In >> one >> >> or two years, "two thirds of active contributors" will be a greater >> number >> >> of people than all of us today. Who are we to tell them what to do? >> We're >> >> the minority ;) >> > >> > I wonder if you realise the fine line you are walking here by >> > employing such hard line tactics, you are literally risking an out >> > right rejection of ODBL because of this. How much time and effort will >> > have been in vein exactly? >> >> I think you're overblowing the numbers here with 'risking a out right >> rejection'. 200,000 people, or whatever, will be asked about the ODbL under >> the plan, and there are about 20 people here slugging it out. From my >> experience off list with all the people frustrated both in email and in >> person, those 20 or so people here just don't represent everyone else who'd >> prefer all this discussion to go to legal-talk and just move on with the >> license. >> >> So why are you afraid of putting it to a vote? > > Why have you felt the need to coerce 30,000 newbies by not giving them a > choice? Not, even linking to the license that they are being asked to agree > to? > > My experience off list is clearly different to yours. > > 80n > > > > > > >> Steve >> >> <http://stevecoast.com>stevecoast.com >> ___ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk> >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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Re: [OSM-talk] A GPS Trace Visualizer
Hi All, Lukas Kabrt has been looking at something like this for his Google Summer of Code Project - might be worth looking at what he has done at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Routing/Travel_Time_Analysis. Graham. On 18 August 2010 23:02, John Smith wrote: > On 19 August 2010 07:26, Toby Murray wrote: > > I had not really considered mixed traces. My workflow typically > > results in pretty atomic traces especially when it comes to transport > > mode but yeah I can see your case being another complication in trying > > to use traces to derive avg speeds. > > walking ~= 5km/hr > cycling ~=20-40km/hr > cars ~= > 100km/hr > > It might be an issue for areas with reduced speed limits, but > realistically I don't see this as such an issue as everyone is making > it out to be, as long as you have suitable GPS information like > timestamps to calculate speed. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] iPad app
Maybe a neater alternative would be to make Potlatch respond to touch screen events and access the location - then it will work when linux based clones of the ipad appear too? It should be possible to grab the touch screen events (you can in javascript anyway) - not sure if there are issues with getting the location using Flash? GJ On 20 August 2010 19:30, SteveC wrote: > I keep thinking an editing app for the 3G / wifi iPad would be awesome. > It's always on the network, GPS and compass are built in. > > It would be a sweet surveying device, but would have to be super fault > tolerant in doing things like waiting for the network. > > Steve > > stevecoast.com > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch for Newbies
Hi, I think improving the documentation for new users (and experienced ones too!) is a really good idea - I think we lack information for the casual new user. The disadvantage of directing this group to Potlatch is that they need to understand quite a few concepts before they can really do anything (nodes, ways, tags, the fact that there is no definitive list of approved tags etc. etc.). Michael Daines has made really good progress in his Google Summer of Code project to develop a 'Simple Map Editor', which is a simple web based editor with (intentionally!) very limited functionality - it only deals with a defined list of node and way properties. This means that people can "add a pub here" rather than 'add a node tagged amenity=pub' or 'correct that street name'. He has a wiki page at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Simple_Map_Editor. There is a demo (using the development server) at http://simple-map-editor.heroku.com/. I wonder if pushing the development of this along and advertising it to new users with a "if you want to do more, you need a more advanced editor like Potlatch, with a link to a Potlatch howto might be a good way to go? I do not think it is very far away from being in a state it could be made live (a few Quality Assurance checks required). An other alternative that I like is to use the Simple Map Editor concept (in fact the same code!), but make it very specialised - you could have a map targeted at specific features, such as pubs, supermarkets [e.g http://maps.webhop.net/supermarkets], toilets etc, and invite people to review it and add ones that are missing - that way the editor would just present a very limited subset of pre-defined tags (name, operator, website etc.) - there would just be an 'add' button on the map which would bring up the editor dialog box. Again you would include a 'if you want to do more...' link. What do you think? Graham. On 21 August 2010 11:55, NopMap wrote: > > > Hi! > > I am currently writing a How-To for people who have heard about OSM five > minutes ago and whish to contribute some specific POI information. Getting > to the point where they open Potlatch and need to click the Save or Live > mode buttons, I have become painfully aware on how this is inviting > desaster > to happen. > > I am trying to interest new people. But that means sending absolutely > clueless folks here and one wrong click at that point and they can mess up > the area for good without even knowing it. > > So my questions are: > - Why don't we disable that Live edit feature for good? I vaguely remember > the question has been raised before, but I just can't think of any use case > where I' need to mess up the data directly with no undo. > - If it is holy for some historic reason, why can't we put it away into a > power user menu that is well hidden from the newcomer that definitely > always > wants and requires a way out if things go awry? > - Is there a way to call Potlatch with a parameter or different URL that > directly goes into save mode and does not show the save-or-sorry selection? > - is there any alternative if you need an editor that works online without > the need to install anything locally? > > Pleas help me put my consience at rest :-) > > bye > Nop > > -- > View this message in context: > http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Potlatch-for-Newbies-tp5447342p5447342.html > Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- Dr. Graham Jones Hartlepool, UK email: grahamjones...@gmail.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
