Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul
Martijn van Exel wrote: there's bound to be people slave-mapping for GMM that would contribute to OSM instead if 1) they knew about it or 2) it were easier to get started. If we had more than five people coding on the main site then maybe we could start to fix 2. ;) We're kind of hamstrung by the fact that so few people contribute code to the main site (by which I mean osm.org and P2), but we have thousands of eager mappers asking these few people to improve more and more things. Though we do try, it's difficult to tell the eager mappers sorry, I haven't got time to scratch your particular itch, I've got some work to do to improve OSM's UI for new mappers. If you'd like to help improve OSM's ease of use, and I agree that would be terrific, Write Some Code! cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Google-Map-Maker-gets-a-UI-overhaul-tp7094878p7096438.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul
I didn't even know that GMM had introduced peer reviewed edits, apparently they did so a while ago. 'Review some contributions and get yours reviewed faster' is what it told me when I logged in. And now they overhauled the UI to make it that much easier to contribute. We're definitely losing (potential) mappers to GMM. I don't have to tell you that's a shame -- all that effort going into creating non-free data. But how do we divert some of that energy to OSM? http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2011/12/mapping-made-easier-with-new-google-map.html https://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_maps_opens_editing_process_to_everyone.php -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul
Martijn van Exel wrote: We're definitely losing (potential) mappers to GMM. I don't have to tell you that's a shame -- all that effort going into creating non-free data. But how do we divert some of that energy to OSM? Well, let's ask a Map Maker user: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=14666 I'm under the impression that a large part of Google's attractiveness is due to their *really* high-quality applications and services. We have nice maps, but they have a search function that works, routing, aerial imagery, the ability to make your own map overlays, official smartphone apps with vector rendering, and so on. For people who are primarily motivated by applications they can use today, rather than the potential for future applications, we're just not that attractive - at least as far as mainstream applications are concerned. Tobias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul
On Dec 14, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Tobias Knerr wrote: Martijn van Exel wrote: We're definitely losing (potential) mappers to GMM. I don't have to tell you that's a shame -- all that effort going into creating non-free data. But how do we divert some of that energy to OSM? Well, let's ask a Map Maker user: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=14666 I'm under the impression that a large part of Google's attractiveness is due to their *really* high-quality applications and services. We have nice maps, but they have a search function that works, routing, aerial imagery, the ability to make your own map overlays, official smartphone apps with vector rendering, and so on. For people who are primarily motivated by applications they can use today, rather than the potential for future applications, we're just not that attractive - at least as far as mainstream applications are concerned. I think we'll see this start to change, and soon. All I can provide is anecdata, but I have been seeing a slow but consistent upward trend in new map clients asking specifically for OpenStreetMap cartography and mapping projects even if they don't know what that actually *means*, because they believe that they're about to be taken to the cleaners for their GMaps API usage. GMM is improving its story but they're also 100% on the hook for providing those high-quality applications and services. They can accept no help in this regard, except by appropriating the terminology of free and open data. -mike. michal migurski- m...@stamen.com 415.558.1610 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:21 PM, pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com wrote: 2011. gada 14. decembris 21:57 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org rakstīja: I didn't even know that GMM had introduced peer reviewed edits, apparently they did so a while ago. 'Review some contributions and get yours reviewed faster' is what it told me when I logged in. And now they overhauled the UI to make it that much easier to contribute. We're definitely losing (potential) mappers to GMM. I don't have to tell you that's a shame -- all that effort going into creating non-free data. But how do we divert some of that energy to OSM? You have numbers to confirm these fears? I don't know a single living being who would map for Google. I don't, and I am not trying to approach this with scientific scrutiny. GMM is here, it's innovating, it's super user friendly, and it allows people to do pretty much the same things that we do here at OSM -- to a certain and in many ways very limited extent, that is. I'm willing to bet an OSM cheat mug on it - there's bound to be people slave-mapping for GMM that would contribute to OSM instead if 1) they knew about it or 2) it were easier to get started. We can improve things, for sure, but that's already happening. Peer review comes naturally, but if you wish you can create at least some mockups for similar service for OSM. Peer review is at the core of what OSM is, and yet its power can be leveraged in many more ways than we currently do. I know there's a lot of resistance to gamification (GMM has 'superstar mappers' I believe) but there I think we can learn a thing or two from online knowledge communities that leverage the undeniable fact that there's (local) experts who can 1) guide newcomers and 2) oversee the quality of the (local) data and contributions. It's just not trivial to implement. -- martijn van exel geospatial omnivore 1109 1st ave #2 salt lake city, ut 84103 801-550-5815 http://oegeo.wordpress.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul
Tobias Knerr writes: For people who are primarily motivated by applications they can use today, rather than the potential for future applications, we're just not that attractive - at least as far as mainstream applications are concerned. OSMAnd. Offline vector maps. Google Maps can't touch that. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: OSMAnd. Offline vector maps. Google Maps can't touch that. +1 Especially with the OsmAnd update I got from the Android market a few days ago. Offline vector rendering was functional before. Now it's downright beautiful. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:45 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:21 PM, pec...@gmail.com pec...@gmail.com wrote: 2011. gada 14. decembris 21:57 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org rakstīja: We're definitely losing (potential) mappers to GMM. I don't have to tell you that's a shame -- all that effort going into creating non-free data. But how do we divert some of that energy to OSM? You have numbers to confirm these fears? I don't know a single living being who would map for Google. I don't, and I am not trying to approach this with scientific scrutiny. I can say that enough people in my city were interested in adding data to the map that they duplicated much of the detail that I have entered into OSM over the last 1.5 within about a month after GMM launched in the US. It was rather depressing to me personally. I'm convinced that it is mostly just a publicity problem. Everyone knows google. They truly are ubiquitous. OSM is lucky to get any kind of mention on slashdot. If google would put out a blog post and an ad campaign telling people about OSM, I'm pretty sure the API servers would instantly light on fire from the resulting load. When google says anything, millions of people hear it. Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul
The Google maps app, via a labs add on, allows you to download offline vector maps! Okay they are only 10sq mi each and you are limited to 10 of them but its still possible. Kev On Dec 15, 2011 3:39 AM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Tobias Knerr writes: For people who are primarily motivated by applications they can use today, rather than the potential for future applications, we're just not that attractive - at least as far as mainstream applications are concerned. OSMAnd. Offline vector maps. Google Maps can't touch that. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker gets a UI overhaul
Hi, On 12/15/2011 03:45 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: innovating leveraged gamification (GMM has 'superstar mappers' I believe) leverage I think you're reading too much off the blurby stuff ;) Thing is: Google has a gazillion more $$$ than we do, and they can buy all of Peru to do UI work for them if they please. They can, if they so desire, buy millions of hardware devices and ship them across the world for mapping, or they can set up a helpdesk in India where every single GMM contributor gets personalised support around the clock. They can do all this and more, and trying to compete with them on such a level won't work. (Someone said we should aim to be #1 online map provider but if people were to request from us even a fraction of the tiles that Google serves we'd blow several fuses.) I think it is inevitable that there *will* be more GMM contributors than there are OSM contributors and it would be foolish to fight that (and foolish to even set oneself the goal). In the long run, at least if Google doesn't lose interest or produces major cock-ups, OSM *will not* be the easier to use collaborative map. It will have a very hard time to be as easy to use as Google, and even that would mean to continuously bind our resources by chasing them rather than doing something of our own design. I know it sounds old-school, and not at all hip and trendy, but the distinguishing factor between us and them is our free license and what you can do with our data as a result. The quirky; the unexpected uses; the interesting things that people try out if they get their hands on our data. It's no use running after Google. We need to get the message across that we're the free alternative, and people will have to accept that we're not as polished as Google are. We are the project for those that understand free and open. Those for whom ease of use is more important than the licensing of the result are not our clientele and we'll never be able to win them over, except by making them understand the importance of free and open. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Google Map Maker on TED
http://www.ted.com/talks/lalitesh_katragadda_making_maps_to_fight_disaster_build_economies.html No comments so far... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker on TED
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:58:07 +0200, Tomas Straupis wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/ lalitesh_katragadda_making_maps_to_fight_disaster_build_economies.html No comments so far... Has anybody from OSM held a speech at TED? UK guys and also people from different parts of our planet can talk about disaster recovery using OSM. Nobody volunteered to go, or TED isn't interested in non-corporate projects? -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker on TED
I heard about TED only recently and what I've read and seen about it so far seems like an insult - conspirative pseudo-open meetings for well-paying members of that strange elitist association. Talks seem to be only held by those members or VIPs that are invited occasionally if any. Even if I would tolerate all that, there would still remain a strange feeling about TED, something I don't like. Maybe I just don't get something but that whole elitarist stuff smells bad. I'd better stay away from them and go to some real open conferences and exhibitions instead. Bye, Daniel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker on TED
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:54:59 +0100, Daniel Neugebauer wrote: I'd better stay away from them and go to some real open conferences and exhibitions instead. Maybe there are others OSM members who are willing to go? I agree that there are some elitism there but it is not only that, there are lots of positive points about TED also. -- pratite me na twitteru - www.twitter.com/valentt http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker on TED
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Daniel Neugebauer mailingli...@energiequant.de wrote: I heard about TED only recently and what I've read and seen about it so far seems like an insult - conspirative pseudo-open meetings for well-paying members of that strange elitist association. Talks seem to be only held by those members or VIPs that are invited occasionally if any. Even if I would tolerate all that, there would still remain a strange feeling about TED, something I don't like. Maybe I just don't get something but that whole elitarist stuff smells bad. I'd better stay away from them and go to some real open conferences and exhibitions instead. Surely we can do better than I don't know much about TED, but it smells bad to me. By all means, hold these opinions, or post them on the relevant website or whatever, but can we keep this mailing list a little bit more informed than half-arsed opinions about stuff that isn't related to OSM? Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker on TED
Zitat Valent Turkovic: On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 18:58:07 +0200, Tomas Straupis wrote: http://www.ted.com/talks/ lalitesh_katragadda_making_maps_to_fight_disaster_build_economies.html No comments so far... Has anybody from OSM held a speech at TED? [..] Not a speech, but... http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/tim_berners_lee_on_the_next_web.html Go to 14:00. -- Michael ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker - press release
My experience says that an institution like the foundation should not get involved in trying to give advice or otherwise comment on the product of a competitor. The reader will either know who we are and does not need to be informed about GMM, or the reader will think that the press release does not tell the whole story and give GMM a chance. We're bigger than them in this space, so why give them free publicity ? They're going to draw users who do not know the difference between free beer and free speech. They wouldn't bother getting it right (rendering, routing etc). You and Steve can say anything you like in your personal capacity. But I think it should be a bit more positive like OpenStreetMap responds to Google's effort with highly detailed of Googleplex ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker - press release
Nic Roets wrote: We're bigger than them in this space, so why give them free publicity ? Again, it depends on the media, I think. It's very plausible that Big Media will want to report on Google Map Maker - Google is sexy in news terms right now; there seems to be a story about them every other day in the Independent. And if they're going to report on it anyway, we want our name in there. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker - press release
John McKerrell wrote: One thing I'd say about the release is we might want to mention non-UK places too, it mentions Brighton and pubs of England. There's the wikiguide of Paris too isn't there which might be worth a mention? Good point - feel free to localise. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker - press release
Op 26 jun 2008, om 00:55 heeft Richard Fairhurst het volgende geschreven: Hi all, We've put together a press release with OSM (strictly speaking OSMF)'s reaction to Google Map Maker. You can get it in PDF or RTF format at: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/releases/ The OSMF board is sending it to a few of the big tech blogs, but in true OSM fashion, we'd like to crowdsource the distribution. After all, the OSM community has had amazing success in getting publicity recently. So please do: - download the release - translate it into your language - add any useful local statistics (e.g. 1000 roads in Nether Yvebosch mapped by one man) - add your contact details, if you're happy to be a media spokesperson - and send it to media who you think may appreciate it! Hi Richard, I translated the release into Dutch. It's being scrutinized by my Dutch peers today, and I hope we'll be able to send it out to the Dutch press later today. For those who can read Dutch, the draft is here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/WikiProject_Netherlands/PressRelease#Google_Maps_.22zit_ernaast.22_met_bewerkbare_kaart Take care, Martijn -- martijn van exel -+- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -+- http://www.schaaltreinen.nl/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker - press release (Richard Fairhurst)
Richard Fairhurst wrote: We've put together a press release with OSM (strictly speaking OSMF)'s reaction to Google Map Maker. You can get it in PDF or RTF format at: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/releases/ http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/releases/osm_release_25062008.pdf currently seems to be served as a text file; you need to set its MIME type to something like application/pdf so that it will open in a PDF viewer when clicked on. Something like svn propset svn:mime-type application/pdf osm_release_25062008.pdf should do it. Phil. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker - press release
2008/6/26 Martijn van Exel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Op 26 jun 2008, om 00:55 heeft Richard Fairhurst het volgende geschreven: Hi all, We've put together a press release with OSM (strictly speaking OSMF)'s reaction to Google Map Maker. You can get it in PDF or RTF format at: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/releases/ The OSMF board is sending it to a few of the big tech blogs, but in true OSM fashion, we'd like to crowdsource the distribution. After all, the OSM community has had amazing success in getting publicity recently. So please do: - download the release - translate it into your language Here is a french release : http://demo21.ovh.com/96e3e9d35fd3d070667570124efd9a88P/ I am waiting on a svn account to commit it so for those interested in correcting french version you can get it from ovh DL service... - add any useful local statistics (e.g. 1000 roads in Nether Yvebosch mapped by one man) - add your contact details, if you're happy to be a media spokesperson - and send it to media who you think may appreciate it! I have a good mail contact which could be quoted by many others in france so I will try it when the french version will be a final pdf version :) -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0x39494CCB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
I'm using gmail. The way I read my user agreement google pretty much has the right to do anything they want with any information I give them. For that reason I'm careful not to put anything really important in my emails. I find that very hard to believe, that a mail service operator would have the right to steal confidential info in your email. Is there not a law against unauthorised reading of emails? Or am I missing something? Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Nick Whitelegg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm using gmail. The way I read my user agreement google pretty much has the right to do anything they want with any information I give them. For that reason I'm careful not to put anything really important in my emails. I find that very hard to believe, that a mail service operator would have the right to steal confidential info in your email. Is there not a law against unauthorised reading of emails? Or am I missing something? Well, their Gmail TC goes, We will not use any of your content for any purpose except to provide you with the Service. I think you can expect that none of your content should show up elsewhere, and their privacy policy will apply to most stuff which essentially limits them to aggregated non-personal information. You probably have a pile of rights beyond this, but don't expect Google to admit it. Some people get very paranoid (not without some justification -- in the general TCs it says uploading content to Google gives them a non-exclusive right to do just about anything they want with it), but there's a fair bit of FUD flying around as well. Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
[Off original topic!] Google certainly do access the information sent to gmail accounts in order to deliver targeted ads in the account holders web email browser. So the original post had me rushing to read the fine print. I had to read it pretty carefully but access is limited to the following broad categories and I didn't see any obvious loopholes: formatting and delivering email; delivering advertisements and related links; preventing unsolicited bulk email (spam); to satisfy applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request; violation of Terms of Service; protect against imminent harm to the rights, property or safety of Google, its users or the public as required or permitted by law. The last two *could* perhaps be used in a heavy-handed fashion perhaps. Mike http://www.google.com/a/help/intl/en-GB/users/terms.html http://www.google.com/privacypolicy.html Google General Privacy Notice http://mail.google.com/mail/help/intl/en_GB/privacy.html Google Mail Privacy Notice At 01:16 PM 6/25/2008, Nick Whitelegg wrote: I'm using gmail. The way I read my user agreement google pretty much has the right to do anything they want with any information I give them. For that reason I'm careful not to put anything really important in my emails. I find that very hard to believe, that a mail service operator would have the right to steal confidential info in your email. Is there not a law against unauthorised reading of emails? Or am I missing something? Nick ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Nick Whitelegg wrote: Is there not a law against unauthorised reading of emails? It isn't exactly unauthorised if you agreed to the contract when you signed up for the service... Whether they can read _inbound_ emails is a quite different question though, since the sender did not agree to the contract. - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
2008/6/25 Richard Fairhurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Steven Le Roux wrote: d'un point de vue strictement technique, il faut reconnaitre que l'approche de map maker est meilleure que potlatch qui lui n'est pas utilisable sur une machine légere sous linux. (merci flash) Mais si vous detestez Flash, OpenStreetMap a un API, alors vous pouvez utiliser un editeur non-Flash (ex. JOSM ou Merkaartor). Google Map Maker n'a pas d'API - si vous n'avez pas de browser moderne, vous ne pouvez pas utiliser GMM. amities Richard p.s. talk-fr is that way Sorry for this cross post... actually gmail has buggued with this thread, and has mixed all the post from all list whatsoever... I use JOSM :) no pb for this side ;) What I don't understand is why google don't provide this tool but interfaced with OSM, with a special rendering to get it compliant with graphical usage from google maps. Why is it important for google to not provide datas ? -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0x39494CCB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Google Map Maker - press release
Hi all, We've put together a press release with OSM (strictly speaking OSMF)'s reaction to Google Map Maker. You can get it in PDF or RTF format at: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/misc/pr_material/releases/ The OSMF board is sending it to a few of the big tech blogs, but in true OSM fashion, we'd like to crowdsource the distribution. After all, the OSM community has had amazing success in getting publicity recently. So please do: - download the release - translate it into your language - add any useful local statistics (e.g. 1000 roads in Nether Yvebosch mapped by one man) - add your contact details, if you're happy to be a media spokesperson - and send it to media who you think may appreciate it! To avoid a recipient getting the release from three mappers at once, I suggest we co-ordinate here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Press/Release_distribution As ever, any questions, just yell. cheers Richard for OSMF ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker - press release
Hi, We've put together a press release with OSM (strictly speaking OSMF)'s reaction to Google Map Maker. I know that dealing with the press requires a certain amount of dumbing down, but I do object to the phrase: Volunteers for OpenStreetMap, the Wikipedia-like website which is mapping the world, say ... We are not a website. (I'll put the release up on the .de web site but I'll write of a project, not a web site.) Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker - press release
Frederik Ramm wrote: I know that dealing with the press requires a certain amount of dumbing down, but I do object to the phrase: Volunteers for OpenStreetMap, the Wikipedia-like website which is mapping the world, say ... We are not a website. Sure. It depends who you're sending the release to, really. If it's a tech site then project is good. If it's a national paper then website helps them file it with the right correspondent. cheers Richard ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
http://www.google.com/mapmaker/mapfiles/s/support.html Ready ... Fight ! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
Currently Map Maker is only enabled for a few areas that (I guess) don't have decent map data. Namely: # Bahamas # Barbados # Bermuda # British Virgin Islands # Cayman Islands # Cyprus # Grenada # Iceland # Jamaica # Netherlands Antilles # Pakistan # St. Kitts and Nevis # St. Lucia # St. Vincent and the Grenadines # Trinidad and Tobago # Vietnam On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 12:54 PM, X [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.google.com/mapmaker/mapfiles/s/support.html Ready ... Fight ! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
... # Cyprus # Grenada # Iceland ... No Germany ? Looks like peoplesmap 2.0 to me ! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
d'un point de vue strictement technique, il faut reconnaitre que l'approche de map maker est meilleure que potlatch qui lui n'est pas utilisable sur une machine légere sous linux. (merci flash) -- Steven Le Roux Jabber-ID : [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0x39494CCB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2FF7 226B 552E 4709 03F0 6281 72D7 A010 3949 4CCB ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
Hum: http://blogs.s60.com/browser/images/seriouslyIBM_l.jpg On 24 Jun 2008, at 09:54, X wrote: http://www.google.com/mapmaker/mapfiles/s/support.html Ready ... Fight ! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
Steven Le Roux wrote: d'un point de vue strictement technique, il faut reconnaitre que l'approche de map maker est meilleure que potlatch qui lui n'est pas utilisable sur une machine légere sous linux. (merci flash) Mais si vous detestez Flash, OpenStreetMap a un API, alors vous pouvez utiliser un editeur non-Flash (ex. JOSM ou Merkaartor). Google Map Maker n'a pas d'API - si vous n'avez pas de browser moderne, vous ne pouvez pas utiliser GMM. amities Richard p.s. talk-fr is that way ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
Who are we, Apple or IBM ? (And if the former, are you contemplating a surname-change in the near future ? ;) Me personally, I'm just waiting for the iOSM device - With matching white gpsantenna and rechargeable batteries that can't be exchanged without voiding the warranty. Not that the warranty will be any use, since the battery will stop recharging the day after the warranty expired. But thats a completely different story. ;) Dutch SteveC skrev: Hum: http://blogs.s60.com/browser/images/seriouslyIBM_l.jpg On 24 Jun 2008, at 09:54, X wrote: http://www.google.com/mapmaker/mapfiles/s/support.html Ready ... Fight ! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk Best Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
SteveC wrote: Hum: http://blogs.s60.com/browser/images/seriouslyIBM_l.jpg I do wonder where we would be today if IBM had not used the worst possible processor ( because Intel could not sell it any where else ;) ) and then been conned into the the most restrictive operating system deal . On 24 Jun 2008, at 09:54, X wrote: http://www.google.com/mapmaker/mapfiles/s/support.html Ready ... Fight ! Not really - as long as we do not loose OSM in a sea of 'sponsored map links' ;) Actually I am getting pretty pissed off with the results I get for a normal google search. Can take a number of pages to find something actually relevant to a search - even changing the words used. So I would not be surprised if a google map search gave me hits on the other side of the world. Just another example of biggest definitely not being best! And allowing people to add their own -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/lsces/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
I'm using gmail. The way I read my user agreement google pretty much has the right to do anything they want with any information I give them. For that reason I'm careful not to put anything really important in my emails. I'm guessing that google would have the rights to the aggregate mapping data while any individual would only have the rights to their own contribution, unless they access it through google. On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 1:54 AM, X [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.google.com/mapmaker/mapfiles/s/support.html Ready ... Fight ! ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk -- http://bowlad.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
murphy2712.nospam a écrit : Au moins ça donne des idées pour améliorer nos interfaces/éditeurs/système de modération :) système de quoi ? Modérer la créativité du nouveau venu ? A quand une norme ISO sur le Web 2.05 GTI ? Bon, je plaisante à moitié seulement... Google n'est pas que LE glouton planétaire, c'est aussi une entreprise créative, bourrée de bonnes idées brevetables. Il est vrai qu'on a encore de la marge sur le côté friendly de nos systèmes, mais on a déjà passé le cap de la ligne de commande, non ? Denis ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [OSM-talk] Google Map Maker
Rodolphe Quiedeville a écrit : murphy2712.nospam a écrit : Au moins ça donne des idées pour améliorer nos interfaces/éditeurs/système de modération :) On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:54 PM, X [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.google.com/mapmaker/mapfiles/s/support.html Ready ... Fight ! La guerre semble commencée puisque gmail casse systématiquement nos threads ;-) PS : murphy il n'y a pas un solution pour éviter cela ? euh, utiliser free ? Bon, je sors et je mappe ;-) ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk-fr
